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St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2008 Class => Topic started by: oldred10 on June 03, 2008, 09:19:15 AM
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Two Big East Offers For Williams
May 30, 2008
by Jerry Meyer, Rivals.com
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=910&CID=812871
With schools still scouring the 2008 ranks for available prospects, a productive spring has produced a couple Big East offers for Donald Williams.
Williams is a physical scorer.
A 6-foot-4, 185-pound guard from Temple Hills (Md.) Progressive Christian School, Williams has picked up offers from Marquette and St. John's since his Most Outstanding Player performance in the Select Division of the Tournament of Champions.
"I have high interest in Marquette and St. John's," said Williams. "I'm in the process of setting up a visit with St. John's for hopefully early next week, and then a visit with Marquette right after that."
Williams spoke further about why these two schools are at the top of his list which also includes UAB (offer), East Carolina and New Orleans (offer).
"With St. John's I like the atmosphere of New York City, and it would be cool to play in Madison Square Garden."
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Here is a scout article on him from '06 :
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=2&cid=544718&nid=2642626&fhn=1
Donald Williams (SF, Baton Rouge, LA) - The Southern Lab product possesses a very solid all around game. He does not do anything flashy. He just gets the job done.
Williams was measured in at 6' 7", 200 at the OM Elite 11 camp.
Donald was named 1st Team All-district and State (1A) after helping Southern Lab to the '06 State Championship.
He averaged 24 points, 12 rebounds, and 4 assists for the year.
Williams has a knack for knowing where the ball is going after it hits the rim. He is very quick for a man his size and possesses a nice touch around the basket. He will have to work on his open court skills for the next level, but he has the athleticism and body to make it happen on the next level.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=75#s=75&f=1043&t=2529778
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New Orleans Jazz wing Donald Williams was named Most Outstanding Player of the Select Division of the 17 and under division. The 6-foot-5 prep school guard averaged a hair under 23 points a game.
"He was the best player we played against all weekend," said one AAU coach that tried to slow down Williams in North Carolina. "He's really good. People need to know about him."
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=910&CID=811797
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I dont know how good this kid really is,
but scout has him listed as 2 stars.
I would pass & hold scholly for 2009, or for an impact (4 star) player
Now with Stith & Wait, we have only 2 for 09 if all stay
Is he better than Kilpatrick, DJ or Quincy Roberts ?
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Don't know much about this kid either except for the fact he was named MVP at Bob Gibbons TOC recently. Which is pretty darn impressive. Dave Telep from scout posted recently that he is a very "hot commodity" right now. And frankly the amount of stars he has in front of his name means nothing at this point. Because he just outplayed a bunch of "4 and 5 star" recruits on the hardwood. IMO, if we can land this kid we have to go for it.... But like u said, i would have no problem holding onto that 'ship for '09 as well. Should be interesting.
Here is what a poster named "jucoguru" on the scout board had to say about him :
"We have played against him twice this spring (once with Brandon Bass Elite and once in TOC with New Orleans Jazz), and Donald is a very good player. He is around 6'5 (def not 6'7) and very versatile and skilled, with a good body and athletic... He was very quiet when we played him the first time around, and then had around 24 in their loss to us in TOC..."
"In the two games I saw Donald, he was an okay outside shooter. I'm far from an expert on him since I've only seen him twice, but he was a much better slasher and scorer than he was a shooter."
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Per Zagsblog http://njmg.typepad.com/zagsblog/2008/06/williams-coach.html:
If Donald Williams' coach has his way, the 6-foot-5 shooting guard will go to St. John's and not Marquette.
"I would rather him sign with St. John's because they need him more than Marquette does," Russell Branch of Temple Hills (Md.) Progressive Christian School said Wednesday by phone. "The better fit would be St. John's because of more playing time for the kid."
Williams is currently visiting St. John's, Branch said, and will then travel to see Marquette next week. Despite offers from other schools (UAB and New Orleans), Branch said Williams will choose between the two Big East schools.
"It's between St. John's and Marquette," Branch said.
Branch compared Williams to Ray Allen and Wally Szczerbiak, adding that Williams averaged 19 points, 7 rebounds and 2 steals last year as Progressive Christian went 42-7.
"He's very athletic," Branch said. "He could put it on the floor better than Wally Szczerbiak. He can shoot the (stuff) out of the ball. He can help St. John's."
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Has anyone seen this guy play? HOLD THE 'SHIP, ROBERTS, HOLD THE SHIP!
Or, hell, use it. That way when 2 players transfer (and this year it seems like every team has someone who's not getting the playing time they thought) the team will have some players behind them.
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we need a shooter.
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This kid got mo diffrent height sizes than Eric King, yo.
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http://njmg.typepad.com/zagsblog/2008/06/williams-enjoyi.html
Williams Enjoying St. John's
Donald Williams will finish up his St. John's visit today and so far he's really enjoying it.
"St. John's is a great campus, great people, wonderful environment," the 6-foot-5, 210-pound Williams said Thursday by phone. "They really made me feel welcome."
Williams, 19, is a Baton Rouge, La. native who is in his final season at Temple Hills (Md.) Progressive Christian Academy. He plans to visit Marquette the week after next, not next week as originally reported. Williams said he will then likely decide between St. John's and Marquette, although several other schools are also in the mix.
"Pretty much, that's how it's looking right now," Williams said of the Johnnies and Marquette.
Reached by phone, Williams' AAU coach, Tony Tate of the New Orleans Jazz, said Oklahoma State, UAB and Marshall were also making a late push and that Williams might take one more visit to one of those schools.
Asked when a final decision would be made, Tate said, "In two weeks."
Progressive Christian coach Russell Branch said Williams compares to Ray Allen of the Celtics and Tate was also very complimentary.
"He's very athletic," the coach said. "He's very strong, runs the floor like a deer, gets off the floor real high. He has a mid-range game, shoots the deep three ball and gets to the basket to score. Defensively, he's very long and athletic and can defend on the perimeter."
Tate said Williams didn't qualify out of Southern Lab High in Baton Rouge, and prepped at Progressive Christian, where he is now qualified.
"He's a great kid," Tate said. "That' sa rare find and one who can play. He can really get after it."
Williams is making his first visit to New York City but said he is friendly with Anthony Mason Jr. and Justin Burrell of St. John's.
"Me and Anthony Mason, I really like him," Williams said. "He's a real cool dude. And Justin Burrell is a real cool dude."
He added: "The players are real good guys and I fit in pretty well with them. We got good chemistry. We get along real well."
And what does Coach Norm Roberts think of Williams?
"They said they really like me as a player," Wililams said. "They love my personality."
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either the staff thinks this kid is really good or they don't like their chances with the local 2009 class.
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either the staff thinks this kid is really good or they don't like their chances with the local 2009 class.
Maybe the local 2009 class is too expen$ive
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They need to win now. Sooner than later. Even if Monsach and the administration would keep the staff on, they can't wait till next year to bring in talent.
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either the staff thinks this kid is really good or they don't like their chances with the local 2009 class.
Maybe the local 2009 class is too expen$ive
so you now think the entire 2009 class, locally, is looking to get paid...
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From ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=3416789):
• Six-foot-6 Donald Williams, the 17-Under Select MVP, was one of the major surprise players this past weekend, leading his New Orleans Jazz team to the 17-Under Select championship. Williams finished in the top 10 in scoring and was No. 1 in made field goals with 55 in six games. He uses his extraordinary athleticism to slash to the rim and finish in traffic. Williams will need to improve his perimeter stroke to reach his full potential at the next level. However, he is a definite high-major college prospect with a bright future.
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http://njmg.typepad.com/zagsblog/2008/06/williams-enjoyi.html
Williams Enjoying St. John's
Donald Williams will finish up his St. John's visit today and so far he's really enjoying it.
"St. John's is a great campus, great people, wonderful environment," the 6-foot-5, 210-pound Williams said Thursday by phone. "They really made me feel welcome."
Williams, 19, is a Baton Rouge, La. native who is in his final season at Temple Hills (Md.) Progressive Christian Academy. He plans to visit Marquette the week after next, not next week as originally reported. Williams said he will then likely decide between St. John's and Marquette, although several other schools are also in the mix.
"Pretty much, that's how it's looking right now," Williams said of the Johnnies and Marquette.
Reached by phone, Williams' AAU coach, Tony Tate of the New Orleans Jazz, said Oklahoma State, UAB and Marshall were also making a late push and that Williams might take one more visit to one of those schools.
Asked when a final decision would be made, Tate said, "In two weeks."
Progressive Christian coach Russell Branch said Williams compares to Ray Allen of the Celtics and Tate was also very complimentary.
"He's very athletic," the coach said. "He's very strong, runs the floor like a deer, gets off the floor real high. He has a mid-range game, shoots the deep three ball and gets to the basket to score. Defensively, he's very long and athletic and can defend on the perimeter."
Tate said Williams didn't qualify out of Southern Lab High in Baton Rouge, and prepped at Progressive Christian, where he is now qualified.
"He's a great kid," Tate said. "That' sa rare find and one who can play. He can really get after it."
Williams is making his first visit to New York City but said he is friendly with Anthony Mason Jr. and Justin Burrell of St. John's.
"Me and Anthony Mason, I really like him," Williams said. "He's a real cool dude. And Justin Burrell is a real cool dude."
He added: "The players are real good guys and I fit in pretty well with them. We got good chemistry. We get along real well."
And what does Coach Norm Roberts think of Williams?
"They said they really like me as a player," Wililams said. "They love my personality."
Sounds like we made a great impression on this kid. Hopefully we can get a commitment from him TODAY before he makes anymore visits.. ;D .. btw - a friend of mine saw him on campus & said he was a legit 6'5.... lock him up norm!
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/PROSPECT/PHOTO/DONALDWILLIAMS2_20200.JPG)
p.s. - Let's GO Redmen!!
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an older rivals article...
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=799390
"On the perimeter Donald Williams had a superb game as he matched the production of Crandall Head. Williams' physical style of ball and reliable shooting resembles Maryland commitment Sean Mosley's game although Williams is more of a primary ball handler. Planning to sing during the spring period, Williams claims offers from Southern Miss and Chattanooga and is trying to play his way into offers from Florida State and Mississippi State amongst others."
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Norm and his staff are on a decent roll. I would love to see them lock this kid up also. Mason and Burrell may be the difference in locking him up. Time will tell. I liked last years in coming class and if we can lock this kid up I will be happy with this years class. This would be something to build on. Now the million dollar question is - How will Norm coach/sub/develop/and keep the talent.
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I'd rather hold this last scholly off til 2009
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Unless Williams is better than DJ or Q Roberts I would hold the scholly too
We already have at the 2&3 for 2008
Mase
R Thomas (3/4)
DJ
Horne
Q Roberts
Edmondson (1/2)
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a team that could only beat cream puffs on the way to an eleven win season can't afford to "hold" anything.
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a team that could only beat cream puffs on the way to an eleven win season can't afford to "hold" anything.
Not if we're overstocked at the position. As I said- only if he is better than those here
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I would agree with Steve P except for two things: 1. Thomas will probably play more down low, I can't see Norm going to a big lineup unless Coker (or even Wait or TJ) can contribute more down low. and 2. I keep hearing that Williams can shoot a little. We don't know what Horne is going to look like shooting from the outside for a whole season/ with more attempts, and I think Kennedy will be more consistent; but a guy who can shoot would be welcomed on a team that was so offensively inept.
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I would agree with Steve P except for two things: 1. Thomas will probably play more down low, I can't see Norm going to a big lineup unless Coker (or even Wait or TJ) can contribute more down low. and 2. I keep hearing that Williams can shoot a little. We don't know what Horne is going to look like shooting from the outside for a whole season/ with more attempts, and I think Kennedy will be more consistent; but a guy who can shoot would be welcomed on a team that was so offensively inept.
Everyone we have can shoot a little.
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I hope we land this kid!!!
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Everyone we have can shoot a little.
We shot 40.9%.
Even by NYC shooting standards, that's weak.
We lost our best three point shooter.
The good news is Eugene Lawrence, who shot 34% and 25% behind the line, is out of eligibility.
The bad news is his replacement is even worse, 30% and missed an amazing 84% of his 3pt attempts, which was actually better than Cavataio's 8% 3pt FG%.
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Everyone we have can shoot a little.
We shot 40.9%.
Even by NYC shooting standards, that's weak.
We lost our best three point shooter.
The good news is Eugene Lawrence, who shot 34% and 25% behind the line, is out of eligibility.
The bad news is his replacement is even worse, 30% and missed an amazing 84% of his 3pt attempts, which was actually better than Cavataio's 8% 3pt FG%.
I played HB and DB in college. I was a completely different player benefiting from the year of experience and a year in the off season program. I am not saying throw out all of last years stats but I expect some improvement.
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I expect improvement too... but the team was a weak-shooting squad. They'll be better with an offseason and having played with each other, no matter what. How much improvement that is, we won't know.
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June 09, 2008
Williams Still Deciding
http://njmg.typepad.com/zagsblog/2008/06/williams-still.html#more
After visiting St. John's last week, Donald Williams hopes to see Marquette sometime this week and then make a decision by the end of the month.
"It should be before this month is through," said the 6-foot-5, 210-pound Williams, a senior at Temple Hills (Md.) Progressive Christian Academy.
Williams said Marquette was still in the process of sending him a plane ticket to come sometime this week.
He also has interest from Oklahoma State, UAB and Marshall.
"I have a few other options," he said. "I haven't discussed visiting."
As for the St. John's visit, Williams, who has been compared by his coaches to Ray Allen of the Celtics, said: "It's a wonderful place, wonderful environment."
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Any news on the Williams Marquette visit ?
Was he scheduled this past weekend or next ?
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Any news on the Williams Marquette visit ?
Was he scheduled this past weekend or next ?
I'm pretty sure it's this weekend coming up.
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Found by Fordham 96 over on redmen.com.
Marquette lands 6-3 JUCO combo guard -Dwight Buycks. for 2009
In an interesting twist,Marquette gets verbal from teammate of Hardy
(discussed in 2009 section) at Indian Hills CC.
Would'nt it be ironic if Buycks to Marq leads to Williams to SJU leaving Hardy out ?
http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2008/06/16/bay-view-s-buycks-commits-to-mu.aspx
Former Bay View star Buycks commits to MU
By Todd Rosiak
Monday, Jun 16 2008, 06:54 PM
Dwight Buycks, a former Milwaukee Bay View High School standout, announced his intention to play for Marquette University at a news conference early Monday evening.
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Found by Fordham 96 over on redmen.com.
Marquette lands 6-3 JUCO combo guard -Dwight Buycks. for 2009
In an interesting twist,Marquette gets verbal from teammate of Hardy
(discussed in 2009 section) at Indian Hills CC. Wouldnt it be ironic
if Buycks to Marq leads to Williams to SJU leaving Hardy out ?
http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2008/06/16/bay-view-s-buycks-commits-to-mu.aspx
Former Bay View star Buycks commits to MU
By Todd Rosiak
Monday, Jun 16 2008, 06:54 PM
Dwight Buycks, a former Milwaukee Bay View High School standout, announced his intention to play for Marquette University at a news conference early Monday evening.
who says we don't land williams and hardy? someone will be asked to leave at some point, and for all we know someone else on this current roster will jump ship b4 08-09.
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You left out one of the most interesting statements of that article....
MU has two additional scholarships available, and at this point it appears as though both will be earmarked for the 2009-'10 class as well.
So I'm unsure if this is more opinionated than fact but if true this closes the door on Williams and leaves it wide open for us. I'm still against grabbing a player now.
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You left out one of the most interesting statements of that article....
MU has two additional scholarships available, and at this point it appears as though both will be earmarked for the 2009-'10 class as well.
So I'm unsure if this is more opinionated than fact but if true this closes the door on Williams and leaves it wide open for us. I'm still against grabbing a player now.
Until Williams opens up his recruitment again and chooses St.Louis over us, Coppin State and Loyola Chicago.
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Williams Sweepstakes Ongoing
Posted by Adam Zagoria at 6/17/2008 5:32 PM
http://blog.zagsblog.net/2008/06/17/williams-sweepstakes-ongoing.aspx
The 6-foot-5, 210-pound Williams, a senior at Temple Hills (Md.) Progressive Christian Academy, said Tuesday he is still deciding between Marquette, St. John's and Oklahoma State. He visited St. John's recently and enjoyed the trip, and still hopes to see the other two.
"I haven't seen Marquette yet," he said. "I'm trying to get some paperwork mailed off today to the (NCAA) Clearinghouse and then I'm getting some stuff sent to my house. I should be going to Marquette and Oklahoma State but I just got to take care of this paperwork.
"I should be able to decide by the end of June."
As for the St. John's visit, Williams, who has been compared by his coaches to Ray Allen of the Celtics, previously said: "It's a wonderful place, wonderful environment."
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Williams Sweepstakes Ongoing
Posted by Adam Zagoria at 6/17/2008 5:32 PM
http://blog.zagsblog.net/2008/06/17/williams-sweepstakes-ongoing.aspx
The 6-foot-5, 210-pound Williams, a senior at Temple Hills (Md.) Progressive Christian Academy, said Tuesday he is still deciding between Marquette, St. John's and Oklahoma State. He visited St. John's recently and enjoyed the trip, and still hopes to see the other two.
"I haven't seen Marquette yet," he said. "I'm trying to get some paperwork mailed off today to the (NCAA) Clearinghouse and then I'm getting some stuff sent to my house. I should be going to Marquette and Oklahoma State but I just got to take care of this paperwork.
"I should be able to decide by the end of June."
As for the St. John's visit, Williams, who has been compared by his coaches to Ray Allen of the Celtics, previously said: "It's a wonderful place, wonderful environment."
if it's so wonderful, what's the hold up? he'd rather go to some dirt town?
you couldn't pay me to step foot in Wisconsin or Oklahoma.
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I wouldn't mind my son being coached by Bo Ryan.
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Actually there are parts of Wisconsin that are really nice...ever been to Madison? You might be right about Oklahoma though.
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OK State's involvement worries me. New coach (Travis Ford) with a fast style... on the other hand, they have a slew of frosh and sophomores and JC players. On the other hand, so does St. John's.
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OK State's involvement worries me. New coach (Travis Ford) with a fast style... on the other hand, they have a slew of frosh and sophomores and JC players. On the other hand, so does St. John's.
Are you really sweating this guy though? I'm very comfortable just letting him walk where ever because I really want to hold this scholly till '09
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I don't know what to think, really. But some good teams are involved with him, and maybe he has that shooting skill that this team sorely lacks. If it were me? Yeah, I'd let him walk. And "worry" is completely the wrong word. If he really is a shooter in the rough (I wish Zagoria would stop using the "his coach compares him to Ray Allen" line until there is some kind of evidence - shooting percentage, some video), it would be nice to have him.
Not sure that he'd see a lot of time, though.
But getting a couple of solid NYC players (Parrom and Bruce or some other PF) in '09 would be nice.
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Ray Allen is Ray Allen.
Neva seen this bortha play, but always wary when coach make crazy comparisons.
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For real. "Ray Allen?" If he was Ray Allen (coming out of HS or in college) I can't believe no one wouldn't know about him. New Orleans and Maryland aren't Northern Idaho or the Dakotas.
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I'm starting to re-think my position on this kid. Since it appears that we are in very good shape with kids like Hardy, Parrom, Spellman, Bruce, Baskin, etc... we probably should hold that schollie for next year. Unless of course this kid really is the "next" Ray Allen.. :o .. peace!
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I'm starting to re-think my position on this kid. Since it appears that we are in very good shape with kids like Hardy, Parrom, Spellman, Bruce, Baskin, etc... we probably should hold that schollie for next year. Unless of course this kid really is the "next" Ray Allen.. :o .. peace!
You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship.
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Ah, but what does "good shape" even mean.
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Ah, but what does "good shape" even mean.
I dont have a crystal ball and will not get in to a debate on words.
Do you have an interpretation ?
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I'm starting to re-think my position on this kid. Since it appears that we are in very good shape with kids like Hardy, Parrom, Spellman, Bruce, Baskin, etc... we probably should hold that schollie for next year. Unless of course this kid really is the "next" Ray Allen.. :o .. peace!
You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship.
how do you come to the conclusion we are in good shape with Class of 2009.. we have one single commitment from an undersized guard..
At this time last year people honestly thought we were in good sape with 2008 class too.. and we all know how that went locally...
Until this staff signs a single primary recruiting target it is all but impossible to show even the slightest bit of real confidence in the staff.. recruiting is about result, not effort, and this staff just doesn't get the players..
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redmannorth: my interpretation would be that we have an important recruit's verbal. as pmg said, the staff thought they'd get one of their targets (prime or not, to me, isn't an important distinction, a recruiter can't have their eggs in one basket unless they are from a school that players don't turn down) last year. Without at least a verbal, it's hard to say that one of the NYC players the school is looking at will definitely be suiting up in 09-10.
I'd hold the 'ship, anyway, for the chance at one of those players. My comment, without a question mark, is a rhetorical question. Not asking you to define what good shape is or anything. Hopefully the staff will lock down another player or two before the season, and this argument will dissipate.
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I'm starting to re-think my position on this kid. Since it appears that we are in very good shape with kids like Hardy, Parrom, Spellman, Bruce, Baskin, etc... we probably should hold that schollie for next year. Unless of course this kid really is the "next" Ray Allen.. :o .. peace!
You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship.
how do you come to the conclusion we are in good shape with Class of 2009.. we have one single commitment from an undersized guard..
At this time last year people honestly thought we were in good sape with 2008 class too.. and we all know how that went locally...
Until this staff signs a single primary recruiting target it is all but impossible to show even the slightest bit of real confidence in the staff.. recruiting is about result, not effort, and this staff just doesn't get the players..
Once again we agree to disagree. How many commitments do you expect us to have at this point in time for 2009 ?
I am satisfied with the one verbal we currently have. If you expect them to have more than one verbal at this point in time you are certainly entitled to your opinion though I cannot say I share same.
Only a blind man would have though we were in good shape with the class of 2008 last year. Anyone who followed recruiting knew we put all the eggs in the SL basket and we were the runner up. I dont care how the class went locally , I care how it ended. I dont care if the recruits come from England or Brooklyn as long as we get good players. I believe we ended the 2008 class with a decent class that has the potential to be good, only time will tell.
Agree that we have not signed a primary recruiting target in a while, but that does not preclude SJU from ending up with a good class.
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I'd hold the 'ship, anyway, for the chance at one of those players. My comment, without a question mark, is a rhetorical question. Not asking you to define what good shape is or anything. Hopefully the staff will lock down another player or two before the season, and this argument will dissipate.
Hopefully the staff will get two good commitments prior to May 15, 2009.
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at least you're honest, north, and say "good" commitments. unfortunately, "good" guarantees sub .500 in the big east for the foreseeable future.
i would have hoped for better.
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You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship.
Which players, Canadian or otherwise, do you perceive St. John's to be in "good shape" with?
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http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/06/28/donald-williams-stanley-robinson-updates/#more-283
“He didn’t sign with St. John’s,†Tate said. “They really wanted him. Marquette never followed through on the visit. University of Houston and Marshall are still interested in him.â€
Interesting quote... not sure what to think of that. Did we pull the offer or did he see the other guards we had signed???
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St. John's pulled their offer to him.
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You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship.
Which players, Canadian or otherwise, do you perceive St. John's to be in "good shape" with?
I have no knowledge, but the staff believes they are in good shape with the class of 2009.
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The staff had the same thoughts about 2008 class too...
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see. i don't know what good shape means. my feeling is marquette, georgetown, connecticut, pittsburgh and louisville are in good shape because they already have two four star signings each for '09. georgetown has a five star. villanova has at least one five star. these are the teams we have to play every year.
great shape would be north carolina. they have two five star signings and three four star signings.
in other words, grabbing one three star player to compete with the above is supposed to pass for "good shape". redmannorth...you know i respect you. we've had many private conversations. saying we're in good shape, however, is the definition of "enabling".
to me, grabbing three star players and less to compete in a league that's loaded with four and five stars is the definition of "failure". it's a promise of sub .500 seasons in the conference every year in the foreseeable future. it's a promise that we may "upset" one or two of these teams in a given year and hang our hats on that.
right now, the program sucks a big elephant johnson. how that passes for "good shape" is beyond me.
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The staff had the same thoughts about 2008 class too...
No they did not, dont know where you get this from.
Everyone knows all eggs were in the SL basket with the one ship we had at the time.
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see. i don't know what good shape means. my feeling is marquette, georgetown, connecticut, pittsburgh and louisville are in good shape because they already have two four star signings each for '09. georgetown has a five star. villanova has at least one five star. these are the teams we have to play every year.
great shape would be north carolina. they have two five star signings and three four star signings.
in other words, grabbing one three star player to compete with the above is supposed to pass for "good shape". redmannorth...you know i respect you. we've had many private conversations. saying we're in good shape, however, is the definition of "enabling".
to me, grabbing three star players and less to compete in a league that's loaded with four and five stars is the definition of "failure". it's a promise of sub .500 seasons in the conference every year in the foreseeable future. it's a promise that we may "upset" one or two of these teams in a given year and hang our hats on that.
right now, the program sucks a big elephant johnson. how that passes for "good shape" is beyond me.
Good shape means they are seriously being considered by the top kids in NYC.
other than Lance, who very well may not go to college for a host of reasons, I dont believe there are any other 5 star recruits in NYC.
So if we get 2 of the other top kids in the City you are correct in that we may be only falling further behind in terms of the quality of player on our roster compared to the elite schools in our conference. However, if we would get 2 of the top kids in NYC it would be a big improvement in our recruiting which hopefully could be continued or dare I say improved in the very near future.
As for the shape of the program I did not say or imply that we are in " good shape " so I am a little unclear as to where that remark comes from.
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this is what you posted on june 21st...
"You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship."
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right now, the program sucks a big elephant johnson. how that passes for "good shape" is beyond me.
This has to be up POST OF THE YEAR..
Well said Krusty..
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The staff had the same thoughts about 2008 class too...
No they did not, dont know where you get this from.
Everyone knows all eggs were in the SL basket with the one ship we had at the time.
First.. they thought they had Kemba Walker locked up and then Calhoun swooped and and changed that...
Go back two years and this staff thought they were in VERY good shape with this kids that have just graduated in 2008... that might have changed as signing period got closer but at one time they thought they had real chance to land a couple of kids from the 2008 class..
In all honestly... Norm is the worst recruiter in the conference.. his record speaks for itself... you can't say Keno Davis is worse because he has yet to have a chance to prove himself...
Norm Roberts has failed EVERY step of the way on the recruiting front at St. John's...
I have said it before and will say it again until it happens..
He has failed to land EVERY SINGLE primary recruiting target since he started.. that speaks volumes about his ability to recruit...
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The staff had the same thoughts about 2008 class too...
No they did not, dont know where you get this from.
Everyone knows all eggs were in the SL basket with the one ship we had at the time.
First.. they thought they had Kemba Walker locked up and then Calhoun swooped and and changed that...
Go back two years and this staff thought they were in VERY good shape with this kids that have just graduated in 2008... that might have changed as signing period got closer but at one time they thought they had real chance to land a couple of kids from the 2008 class..
In all honestly... Norm is the worst recruiter in the conference.. his record speaks for itself... you can't say Keno Davis is worse because he has yet to have a chance to prove himself...
Norm Roberts has failed EVERY step of the way on the recruiting front at St. John's...
I have said it before and will say it again until it happens..
He has failed to land EVERY SINGLE primary recruiting target since he started.. that speaks volumes about his ability to recruit...
He has spoken
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this is what you posted on june 21st...
"You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship."
yes, in respect of the class of 2009. The staff believes they are in good shape with that class, and would rather hold the ship than use it on Williams, but I was not referring to the program as a whole.
11 wins in the 4th year of the rebuilding project is not what anyone would have projected when Norm signed on board 4 plus years ago.
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This reminds me of Rasheed Wallace saying to the media when he guaranteed victory...."What am I supposed to think we're not supposed to win?"
Of course the coaching staff thinks we're in good shape. We were in good shape for 2008 too. Everything that could have went wrong did. This stuff happens however to have it happen habitually is another story. Some people's patience on the matter varies from others(see above) but fact of the matter is the staff has to redeem themselves in 2009 and I personally feel they have put themselves into a better position than they have in years past. The end result may very well be the same however I think we do have a better chance at bringing in some high quality guys than we've had in years past.
I think the passing of Donald Williams was the right move and I've been saying it from day 1 when I first heard the report we were in pursuit of him. Unless he was the "next Aay Allen" then we should have brought him in otherwise it was wise to pass due to amount of guards on next year's roster, recruits brought in prior to him had certain expectations(See Mike Cavataio), and the balancing of scholarship distribution.
The signing of Malik Stith is a solid move as well. You can use him as a selling point to potential prospects as him being in the class. Before any of you jump all over my back for this statement, yes there are better recruits to be selling points, but if Malik does well at Bridgeton and if Bridgeton continues their success in the preps then he will gain more notoriety(See Justin Burrell). Malik Stith was one of those players who we've gotten at the end of the period where as its not a bad idea to get a guy like this in the beginning. Last year we had an unknown team and no recruits signed....how does that look in the mind of a 2008 recruit? For 2009 we have Malik Stith, a promising young core, and new facilities which bring a respectable level of optimism to give a recruit. Sure we're in the tunnel but there is a glimmer of light.
I also don't feel that Norm is the worst recruiter in the Big East. Cronin, Wainwright, Heath, and Gonzo are better? I'm not buying into that. Also I'm curious to see what Keno Davis or Buzz Williams do in their first few seasons. Being on this list however is something I wish we were clearly head and shoulders above.
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He has spoken
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KEEP IT COMING
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The signing of Malik Stith is a solid move as well. You can use him as a selling point to potential prospects as him being in the class. Before any of you jump all over my back for this statement, yes there are better recruits to be selling points, but if Malik does well at Bridgeton and if Bridgeton continues their success in the preps then he will gain more notoriety(See Justin Burrell). Malik Stith was one of those players who we've gotten at the end of the period where as its not a bad idea to get a guy like this in the beginning. Last year we had an unknown team and no recruits signed....how does that look in the mind of a 2008 recruit? For 2009 we have Malik Stith, a promising young core, and new facilities which bring a respectable level of optimism to give a recruit. Sure we're in the tunnel but there is a glimmer of light.
I also don't feel that Norm is the worst recruiter in the Big East. Cronin, Wainwright, Heath, and Gonzo are better? I'm not buying into that. Also I'm curious to see what Keno Davis or Buzz Williams do in their first few seasons. Being on this list however is something I wish we were clearly head and shoulders above.
It's Bridgton.
-Burrell had a good final year at Bridgton and how much of a "selling point" did that prove to be to any meaningful (top 25-50) recruit?
-"Promising young core" On our thirteen man roster, other than Burrell and maybe Kennedy, who would look young and promising to fans of a winning program, like Texas, Illinois, or Washington?
-Wainwright, Heath, and Cronin have proven to be better recruiters as head coaches than Norm Roberts. In fairness to him, maybe it's easier to sell those schools at this point in time.
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Next recruitin class is always the pivotal one whether you UNC, UCLA, St. John or St. Francis. The game is 24/7/365 and it the lifeblood of the biz. It alway a biz. Nothin personal.
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The signing of Malik Stith is a solid move as well. You can use him as a selling point to potential prospects as him being in the class. Before any of you jump all over my back for this statement, yes there are better recruits to be selling points, but if Malik does well at Bridgeton and if Bridgeton continues their success in the preps then he will gain more notoriety(See Justin Burrell). Malik Stith was one of those players who we've gotten at the end of the period where as its not a bad idea to get a guy like this in the beginning. Last year we had an unknown team and no recruits signed....how does that look in the mind of a 2008 recruit? For 2009 we have Malik Stith, a promising young core, and new facilities which bring a respectable level of optimism to give a recruit. Sure we're in the tunnel but there is a glimmer of light.
I also don't feel that Norm is the worst recruiter in the Big East. Cronin, Wainwright, Heath, and Gonzo are better? I'm not buying into that. Also I'm curious to see what Keno Davis or Buzz Williams do in their first few seasons. Being on this list however is something I wish we were clearly head and shoulders above.
It's Bridgton.
-Burrell had a good final year at Bridgton and how much of a "selling point" did that prove to be to any meaningful (top 25-50) recruit?
-"Promising young core" On our thirteen man roster, other than Burrell and maybe Kennedy, who would look young and promising to fans of a winning program, like Texas, Illinois, or Washington?
-Wainwright, Heath, and Cronin have proven to be better recruiters as head coaches than Norm Roberts. In fairness to him, maybe it's easier to sell those schools at this point in time.
Spellchecker caught me on Bridgton.
Promising. I like Paris Horne a lot. I thought he deserved more time than Kennedy at times last season. I like Boothe a lot as well sure he has his shortcomings but he is a fast pass first pg which is something I like. I also like Sean Evans he was doing pretty well last season and he didn't have a clue or a jumpshot with some polishing he could turn out alright. I think Dele is the anchor of the class but with his size and strength alone he can prove worthy and we are harsh critics because a lot of schools like you mentioned above can afford to take guys like Dele and have them wait a season or 2 before they are actually contributors where as we needed him to step in right away. Rob Thomas is the wild card and anything out of him is promising because I'm not relying or counting on him for anything.
I think rankings of highschool recruits is so overrated. I've seen top 100 recruits who have been terrible and I've seen kids not in the top 300 make the NBA.
I think a lot of our team's success will stem from the team creating an identity, becoming more cohesive, and creating chemistry. We're returning more scholarship players than (I think) we ever have before and hopefully we see maturity and growth in everyone's individual games as well as playing together as a unit. I think we have more potential to see an uptempo team.
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this is what you posted on june 21st...
"You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship."
yes, in respect of the class of 2009. The staff believes they are in good shape with that class, and would rather hold the ship than use it on Williams, but I was not referring to the program as a whole.
11 wins in the 4th year of the rebuilding project is not what anyone would have projected when Norm signed on board 4 plus years ago.
this is exactly why the staff has to be fired. we're coming off an eleven win season...sign one three star player for 09 and the staff thinks we're ready to compete.
what's worse, they have people going on these sites to sell this to us.
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this is what you posted on june 21st...
"You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship."
yes, in respect of the class of 2009. The staff believes they are in good shape with that class, and would rather hold the ship than use it on Williams, but I was not referring to the program as a whole.
11 wins in the 4th year of the rebuilding project is not what anyone would have projected when Norm signed on board 4 plus years ago.
this is exactly why the staff has to be fired. we're coming off an eleven win season...sign one three star player for 09 and the staff thinks we're ready to compete.
what's worse, they have people going on these sites to sell this to us.
I dont believe I said the staff thinks we're ready to compete did i ?
Again, I said they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather hold the remaining ship they have for 2009.
And who are these people on the sites ?
Are you referring to yours truly ?
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this is what you posted on june 21st...
"You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship."
yes, in respect of the class of 2009. The staff believes they are in good shape with that class, and would rather hold the ship than use it on Williams, but I was not referring to the program as a whole.
11 wins in the 4th year of the rebuilding project is not what anyone would have projected when Norm signed on board 4 plus years ago.
this is exactly why the staff has to be fired. we're coming off an eleven win season...sign one three star player for 09 and the staff thinks we're ready to compete.
what's worse, they have people going on these sites to sell this to us.
I dont believe I said the staff thinks we're ready to compete did i ?
Again, I said they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather hold the remaining ship they have for 2009.
And who are these people on the sites ?
Are you referring to yours truly ?
in all honesty, i feel you're among those who feel compelled to sell the mediocrity.
in year five, you admit the staff doesn't think we're ready to compete. we sign a three star player for 09 and you say the staff believes we're in good shape. to follow the logic, not ready to compete equates with being in good shape.
i must be missing something here.
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in all honesty, i feel you're among those who feel compelled to sell the mediocrity.
in year five, you admit the staff doesn't think we're ready to compete. we sign a three star player for 09 and you say the staff believes we're in good shape. to follow the logic, not ready to compete equates with being in good shape.
i must be missing something here.
you are not missing anything...
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This reminds me of Rasheed Wallace saying to the media when he guaranteed victory...."What am I supposed to think we're not supposed to win?"
Of course the coaching staff thinks we're in good shape. We were in good shape for 2008 too. Everything that could have went wrong did. This stuff happens however to have it happen habitually is another story. Some people's patience on the matter varies from others(see above) but fact of the matter is the staff has to redeem themselves in 2009 and I personally feel they have put themselves into a better position than they have in years past. The end result may very well be the same however I think we do have a better chance at bringing in some high quality guys than we've had in years past.
I think the passing of Donald Williams was the right move and I've been saying it from day 1 when I first heard the report we were in pursuit of him. Unless he was the "next Aay Allen" then we should have brought him in otherwise it was wise to pass due to amount of guards on next year's roster, recruits brought in prior to him had certain expectations(See Mike Cavataio), and the balancing of scholarship distribution.
The signing of Malik Stith is a solid move as well. You can use him as a selling point to potential prospects as him being in the class. Before any of you jump all over my back for this statement, yes there are better recruits to be selling points, but if Malik does well at Bridgeton and if Bridgeton continues their success in the preps then he will gain more notoriety(See Justin Burrell). Malik Stith was one of those players who we've gotten at the end of the period where as its not a bad idea to get a guy like this in the beginning. Last year we had an unknown team and no recruits signed....how does that look in the mind of a 2008 recruit? For 2009 we have Malik Stith, a promising young core, and new facilities which bring a respectable level of optimism to give a recruit. Sure we're in the tunnel but there is a glimmer of light.
I also don't feel that Norm is the worst recruiter in the Big East. Cronin, Wainwright, Heath, and Gonzo are better? I'm not buying into that. Also I'm curious to see what Keno Davis or Buzz Williams do in their first few seasons. Being on this list however is something I wish we were clearly head and shoulders above.
While I am not a big fan of NR's coaching or "rotation calls", I have to agree with JJ that the recruiting has been getting better. Even though I know the program is not anywhere where all of us want it to be... You can't say NR isn't trying to upgrade the program overall (better talent (mariginally so far), push for better facilities, etc).
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This reminds me of Rasheed Wallace saying to the media when he guaranteed victory...."What am I supposed to think we're not supposed to win?"
Of course the coaching staff thinks we're in good shape. We were in good shape for 2008 too. Everything that could have went wrong did. This stuff happens however to have it happen habitually is another story. Some people's patience on the matter varies from others(see above) but fact of the matter is the staff has to redeem themselves in 2009 and I personally feel they have put themselves into a better position than they have in years past. The end result may very well be the same however I think we do have a better chance at bringing in some high quality guys than we've had in years past.
I think the passing of Donald Williams was the right move and I've been saying it from day 1 when I first heard the report we were in pursuit of him. Unless he was the "next Aay Allen" then we should have brought him in otherwise it was wise to pass due to amount of guards on next year's roster, recruits brought in prior to him had certain expectations(See Mike Cavataio), and the balancing of scholarship distribution.
The signing of Malik Stith is a solid move as well. You can use him as a selling point to potential prospects as him being in the class. Before any of you jump all over my back for this statement, yes there are better recruits to be selling points, but if Malik does well at Bridgeton and if Bridgeton continues their success in the preps then he will gain more notoriety(See Justin Burrell). Malik Stith was one of those players who we've gotten at the end of the period where as its not a bad idea to get a guy like this in the beginning. Last year we had an unknown team and no recruits signed....how does that look in the mind of a 2008 recruit? For 2009 we have Malik Stith, a promising young core, and new facilities which bring a respectable level of optimism to give a recruit. Sure we're in the tunnel but there is a glimmer of light.
I also don't feel that Norm is the worst recruiter in the Big East. Cronin, Wainwright, Heath, and Gonzo are better? I'm not buying into that. Also I'm curious to see what Keno Davis or Buzz Williams do in their first few seasons. Being on this list however is something I wish we were clearly head and shoulders above.
While I am not a big fan of NR's coaching or "rotation calls", I have to agree with JJ that the recruiting has been getting better. Even though I know the program is not anywhere where all of us want it to be... You can't say NR isn't trying to upgrade the program overall (better talent (mariginally so far), push for better facilities, etc).
He's been trying. Is the team better than they were when Hill, Jackson, Lawrence, Hamilton and Missere were our five?
Last year, they really weren't.
I think you need a coach who really has to try to make them worse for that to actually happen, and Roberts found a way.
Recruiting kids that were lazy like Torres, kids that were shady like Kitchen, and kids that were greedy like Patterson.
He's made plenty of errors in judgement, and we're living with a coach who's clearly learning on the job.
Only what has he learned so far? That he has to kick kids out every year?
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this is what you posted on june 21st...
"You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship."
yes, in respect of the class of 2009. The staff believes they are in good shape with that class, and would rather hold the ship than use it on Williams, but I was not referring to the program as a whole.
11 wins in the 4th year of the rebuilding project is not what anyone would have projected when Norm signed on board 4 plus years ago.
this is exactly why the staff has to be fired. we're coming off an eleven win season...sign one three star player for 09 and the staff thinks we're ready to compete.
what's worse, they have people going on these sites to sell this to us.
I dont believe I said the staff thinks we're ready to compete did i ?
Again, I said they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather hold the remaining ship they have for 2009.
And who are these people on the sites ?
Are you referring to yours truly ?
in all honesty, i feel you're among those who feel compelled to sell the mediocrity.
in year five, you admit the staff doesn't think we're ready to compete. we sign a three star player for 09 and you say the staff believes we're in good shape. to follow the logic, not ready to compete equates with being in good shape.
i must be missing something here.
The Canadian thinks Norm Roberts is in "good shape" with the 2009 recruiting class.
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this is what you posted on june 21st...
"You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship."
yes, in respect of the class of 2009. The staff believes they are in good shape with that class, and would rather hold the ship than use it on Williams, but I was not referring to the program as a whole.
11 wins in the 4th year of the rebuilding project is not what anyone would have projected when Norm signed on board 4 plus years ago.
this is exactly why the staff has to be fired. we're coming off an eleven win season...sign one three star player for 09 and the staff thinks we're ready to compete.
what's worse, they have people going on these sites to sell this to us.
I dont believe I said the staff thinks we're ready to compete did i ?
Again, I said they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather hold the remaining ship they have for 2009.
And who are these people on the sites ?
Are you referring to yours truly ?
in all honesty, i feel you're among those who feel compelled to sell the mediocrity.
in year five, you admit the staff doesn't think we're ready to compete. we sign a three star player for 09 and you say the staff believes we're in good shape. to follow the logic, not ready to compete equates with being in good shape.
i must be missing something here.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Please reread my posts on this topic and dont distort what I wrote.
Where did I write the staff doesnt think we are ready to compete ?
I wrote that they are not extending an offer to Williams who is in the class of 2008 as they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather use the ship in 2009.
Lets please stay on topic which is DW and was he offered , was the offer withdrawn and the reasons behind the offer being withdrawn.
If competing means competing in the recruiting wars for the local class of 2009 then the staff does feel they can compete for this class.
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this is what you posted on june 21st...
"You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship."
yes, in respect of the class of 2009. The staff believes they are in good shape with that class, and would rather hold the ship than use it on Williams, but I was not referring to the program as a whole.
11 wins in the 4th year of the rebuilding project is not what anyone would have projected when Norm signed on board 4 plus years ago.
this is exactly why the staff has to be fired. we're coming off an eleven win season...sign one three star player for 09 and the staff thinks we're ready to compete.
what's worse, they have people going on these sites to sell this to us.
I dont believe I said the staff thinks we're ready to compete did i ?
Again, I said they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather hold the remaining ship they have for 2009.
And who are these people on the sites ?
Are you referring to yours truly ?
in all honesty, i feel you're among those who feel compelled to sell the mediocrity.
in year five, you admit the staff doesn't think we're ready to compete. we sign a three star player for 09 and you say the staff believes we're in good shape. to follow the logic, not ready to compete equates with being in good shape.
i must be missing something here.
The Canadian thinks Norm Roberts is in "good shape" with the 2009 recruiting class.
Your point being ?????
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this is what you posted on june 21st...
"You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship."
yes, in respect of the class of 2009. The staff believes they are in good shape with that class, and would rather hold the ship than use it on Williams, but I was not referring to the program as a whole.
11 wins in the 4th year of the rebuilding project is not what anyone would have projected when Norm signed on board 4 plus years ago.
this is exactly why the staff has to be fired. we're coming off an eleven win season...sign one three star player for 09 and the staff thinks we're ready to compete.
what's worse, they have people going on these sites to sell this to us.
I dont believe I said the staff thinks we're ready to compete did i ?
Again, I said they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather hold the remaining ship they have for 2009.
And who are these people on the sites ?
Are you referring to yours truly ?
in all honesty, i feel you're among those who feel compelled to sell the mediocrity.
in year five, you admit the staff doesn't think we're ready to compete. we sign a three star player for 09 and you say the staff believes we're in good shape. to follow the logic, not ready to compete equates with being in good shape.
i must be missing something here.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Please reread my posts on this topic and dont distort what I wrote.
Where did I write the staff doesnt think we are ready to compete ?
I wrote that they are not extending an offer to Williams who is in the class of 2008 as they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather use the ship in 2009.
Lets please stay on topic which is DW and was he offered , was the offer withdrawn and the reasons behind the offer being withdrawn.
If competing means competing in the recruiting wars for the local class of 2009 then the staff does feel they can compete for this class.
this is what you wrote a couple of days ago..."I dont believe I said the staff thinks we're ready to compete did i ?" it's implicit in this quote that you believe the staff doesn't think we're ready to compete.
it's far fetched to think we're in good shape and it's far fetched to believe we're competing for recruits when we're not even on one single five star player's radar. and don't mention lance. he's not going to college.
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this is what you posted on june 21st...
"You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship."
yes, in respect of the class of 2009. The staff believes they are in good shape with that class, and would rather hold the ship than use it on Williams, but I was not referring to the program as a whole.
11 wins in the 4th year of the rebuilding project is not what anyone would have projected when Norm signed on board 4 plus years ago.
this is exactly why the staff has to be fired. we're coming off an eleven win season...sign one three star player for 09 and the staff thinks we're ready to compete.
what's worse, they have people going on these sites to sell this to us.
I dont believe I said the staff thinks we're ready to compete did i ?
Again, I said they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather hold the remaining ship they have for 2009.
And who are these people on the sites ?
Are you referring to yours truly ?
in all honesty, i feel you're among those who feel compelled to sell the mediocrity.
in year five, you admit the staff doesn't think we're ready to compete. we sign a three star player for 09 and you say the staff believes we're in good shape. to follow the logic, not ready to compete equates with being in good shape.
i must be missing something here.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Please reread my posts on this topic and dont distort what I wrote.
Where did I write the staff doesnt think we are ready to compete ?
I wrote that they are not extending an offer to Williams who is in the class of 2008 as they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather use the ship in 2009.
Lets please stay on topic which is DW and was he offered , was the offer withdrawn and the reasons behind the offer being withdrawn.
If competing means competing in the recruiting wars for the local class of 2009 then the staff does feel they can compete for this class.
this is what you wrote a couple of days ago..."I dont believe I said the staff thinks we're ready to compete did i ?" it's implicit in this quote that you believe the staff doesn't think we're ready to compete.
it's far fetched to think we're in good shape and it's far fetched to believe we're competing for recruits when we're not even on one single five star player's radar. and don't mention lance. he's not going to college.
I guess that means Lance is going to Memphi$
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this is what you posted on june 21st...
"You dont have to rethink , we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and Norm will in all probability hold the ship."
yes, in respect of the class of 2009. The staff believes they are in good shape with that class, and would rather hold the ship than use it on Williams, but I was not referring to the program as a whole.
11 wins in the 4th year of the rebuilding project is not what anyone would have projected when Norm signed on board 4 plus years ago.
this is exactly why the staff has to be fired. we're coming off an eleven win season...sign one three star player for 09 and the staff thinks we're ready to compete.
what's worse, they have people going on these sites to sell this to us.
I dont believe I said the staff thinks we're ready to compete did i ?
Again, I said they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather hold the remaining ship they have for 2009.
And who are these people on the sites ?
Are you referring to yours truly ?
in all honesty, i feel you're among those who feel compelled to sell the mediocrity.
in year five, you admit the staff doesn't think we're ready to compete. we sign a three star player for 09 and you say the staff believes we're in good shape. to follow the logic, not ready to compete equates with being in good shape.
i must be missing something here.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Please reread my posts on this topic and dont distort what I wrote.
Where did I write the staff doesnt think we are ready to compete ?
I wrote that they are not extending an offer to Williams who is in the class of 2008 as they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather use the ship in 2009.
Lets please stay on topic which is DW and was he offered , was the offer withdrawn and the reasons behind the offer being withdrawn.
If competing means competing in the recruiting wars for the local class of 2009 then the staff does feel they can compete for this class.
this is what you wrote a couple of days ago..."I dont believe I said the staff thinks we're ready to compete did i ?" it's implicit in this quote that you believe the staff doesn't think we're ready to compete.
it's far fetched to think we're in good shape and it's far fetched to believe we're competing for recruits when we're not even on one single five star player's radar. and don't mention lance. he's not going to college.
This thread is just shocking.
I did not say the staff thinks we are ready to compete for anything.
I said that the staff believes we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather hold the remaining ship they have in 2008 for the class of 2009.
I dont believe we will get Lance and I do not believe we are high on Lance's radar but that is JMHO.
As for any 5 star recruit, to my knowledge no one is considering SJU.
If the staff reels in 2 top 100 players with the remaining 2 ships they have for 2009 , it will be a first and a drastic improvement on paper from what we have.
That is it, no more, no less.
Please dont put words in my mouth , I am more than capable of speaking for myself without distortion.
Have a happy July 4th.
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This thread is just shocking.
I did not say the staff thinks we are ready to compete for anything.
I said that the staff believes we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather hold the remaining ship they have in 2008 for the class of 2009.
I dont believe we will get Lance and I do not believe we are high on Lance's radar but that is JMHO.
As for any 5 star recruit, to my knowledge no one is considering SJU.
If the staff reels in 2 top 100 players with the remaining 2 ships they have for 2009 , it will be a first and a drastic improvement on paper from what we have.
That is it, no more, no less.
Please dont put words in my mouth , I am more than capable of speaking for myself without distortion.
Have a happy July 4th.
What is the difference between ebing in good shape for recruits and comopeteing for recruits..?
If the staff thinks we are in good hape for the 2009 calss. . wouldn't that indicate they they think they will be able to compete for those recruits...?
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This thread is just shocking.
I did not say the staff thinks we are ready to compete for anything.
I said that the staff believes we are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather hold the remaining ship they have in 2008 for the class of 2009.
I dont believe we will get Lance and I do not believe we are high on Lance's radar but that is JMHO.
As for any 5 star recruit, to my knowledge no one is considering SJU.
If the staff reels in 2 top 100 players with the remaining 2 ships they have for 2009 , it will be a first and a drastic improvement on paper from what we have.
That is it, no more, no less.
Please dont put words in my mouth , I am more than capable of speaking for myself without distortion.
Have a happy July 4th.
What is the difference between ebing in good shape for recruits and comopeteing for recruits..?
If the staff thinks we are in good hape for the 2009 calss. . wouldn't that indicate they they think they will be able to compete for those recruits...?
As I previously said lets all stay on topic.
The thread is about Donald Williams and the staff no longer offering him a ship as they believe they are in good shape with the class of 2009 and would rather use the ship there.
No need to play on words or distort. I believe my post is clear and nothing further needs to be said on the topic IMHO.
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Thanks for the info North...much appreciated
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the info on williams is right on. redmannorth has good contacts and his information is reliable.
my problem is posters buying that perennial sub .500 seasons represents good shape.
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No doubt the brother got some mad connections to the staff like JJ. One of the reasons why a lotta reliable news is broken here. Just wanna say I preciate all that. Y'all take care this Inedpendence Day.
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My blog just blew up (figuratively) - Donald Williams is going to... Kentucky?
http://kentucky.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=842892
(man, I don't want Kentucky traffic! Those people are freaking crazy!)
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No doubt the brother got some mad connections to the staff like JJ. One of the reasons why a lotta reliable news is broken here. Just wanna say I preciate all that. Y'all take care this Inedpendence Day.
Amen choz.. red's "word is bond".. 8) .. just another reason the jungle is usually one step AHEAD of the competition these days.. ;D ... plus, he is a good guy & a class act as well.