6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2014 Class => Topic started by: mkras99 on April 03, 2014, 04:32:58 PM
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria 4m
Keith Thomas, a 6-8 F from Westchester Community College, took an unofficial to St. John's this week & will take official this month.
http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2013-14/div1/players/keiththomaswuuj?view=gamelog (http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2013-14/div1/players/keiththomaswuuj?view=gamelog)
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria 4m
Keith Thomas, a 6-8 F from Westchester Community College, took an unofficial to St. John's this week & will take official this month.
http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2013-14/div1/players/keiththomaswuuj?view=gamelog (http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2013-14/div1/players/keiththomaswuuj?view=gamelog)
http://www.huskeruniverse.com/2014/02/13/former-yorktown-forward-thomas-thriving-at-westchester/ (http://www.huskeruniverse.com/2014/02/13/former-yorktown-forward-thomas-thriving-at-westchester/)
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Sign him up ASAP. He will get plenty of PT. Moves right into PF slot. 33 rebounds in a game is pretty impressive no matter who you play.
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Sign him up ASAP. He will get plenty of PT. Moves right into PF slot. 33 rebounds in a game is pretty impressive no matter who you play.
Hopefully grades are in order.
Another article - felony assualt charges will set you back...
http://varsityinsider.lohudblogs.com/2010/03/30/former-yorktown-star-thomas-still-searching/ (http://varsityinsider.lohudblogs.com/2010/03/30/former-yorktown-star-thomas-still-searching/)
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Sign him up ASAP. He will get plenty of PT. Moves right into PF slot. 33 rebounds in a game is pretty impressive no matter who you play.
Hopefully grades are in order.
Another article - felony assualt charges will set you back...
http://varsityinsider.lohudblogs.com/2010/03/30/former-yorktown-star-thomas-still-searching/ (http://varsityinsider.lohudblogs.com/2010/03/30/former-yorktown-star-thomas-still-searching/)
He can "fight" Sir Dom for playing time at forward.
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Lets get this kid
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@AdamZagoria: JUCO F Keith Thomas will also visit Loyola Chicago April 10-12 after visiting St. John's this week, WCC coach Tyrone Muchatt tells @SNYtv
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@AdamZagoria: Keith Thomas also has offers from Fordham, Ole Miss, FSU, Southern Miss and Wright State, per his coach
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16 rebounds a game? That would be nice even if he cuts that in half playing D1. Would be a nice start to get out of the fire.
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@NYPost_Brazille: St. John's recruit Keith Thomas, nation's JUCO leading rebounder: "I can see it being a strong fit for me." More in column later. #sjubb
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Zach's article on Thomas
http://nypost.com/2014/04/04/westchester-big-man-thomas-could-join-red-storm/ (http://nypost.com/2014/04/04/westchester-big-man-thomas-could-join-red-storm/)
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“I’m going to outwork you,” he said.
That's refreshing to hear.
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This is exactly the type of kid we need. Reminds me a lot of type of players we had in 2011. Under recruited and hungry to prove the critics wrong. Hell with the amount of shots we miss, even if kid grabs half the rebounds he is getting now will instantly help our offensive rebounding and on def side of ball, lead to more transition baskets.
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http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2014/4/7/5591202/st-johns-recruiting-keith-thomas-adonis-delarosa-video (http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2014/4/7/5591202/st-johns-recruiting-keith-thomas-adonis-delarosa-video)
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Give me Luis Montero from WCC and the DR!
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Give me Luis Montero from WCC and the DR!
Ny Lightning kid. Seems we don't get them for whatever reason, Oliver Antigua connection.
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Anti-Sampson...
Seems to lack explosion, but looks very coordinated and good fundamentals. He was coached up for sure at some point. Really impressive use of his body and coordination. Average athlete, but he'll be able to get high % shots at this level with his positioning. I'd sign him in a second if he passed the the smell test.
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lets get this kid
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@AdamZagoria: Westchester Community Col F Keith Thomas visits Loyola Chicago Friday. Visits to Dayton, Memphis Wright State pending,his coach tells @SNYTV
Doubt he makes trips beyond Loyola. I'd be very surprised if SJU doesn't get him.
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Looks like we are also after his teammate Gio McLean - http://www.zsmart.blogspot.com/2014/04/thomas-to-visit-loyola-chicago-this.html?m=1 (http://www.zsmart.blogspot.com/2014/04/thomas-to-visit-loyola-chicago-this.html?m=1)
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"Mushatt has referred to Thomas as his NAVY SEAL .... "St. John's is on him a lot, they're trying to keep him in New York," Mushatt explained. "Fordham is showing him a lot of love too."
Lavin referred to Malik Stith as a NAVY SEAL as well IIRC. You'd think both coaches being fond of completely inappropriate analogies would give us the inside track. Just hope we can beat out Fordham for his services. Not worried about the fact that other high major programs have given him a pass: clearly Lavin does not work well with highly rated recruits. I think it's a good idea to go outside the top 100 to find players Lavin can mold to his unique basketball vision and let other sucker programs like Florida and Kentucky deal with the headaches that come with prima donnas who need to be replaced every year because they put their own greed ahead of loyalty to the programs that are giving them a free education.
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Good point.
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Anybody know what the level of competition was at junior college? GG put up big numbers in JC also but we found out quickly alot of that had to do with who is was playing against.
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Looks like we are also after his teammate Gio McLean - http://www.zsmart.blogspot.com/2014/04/thomas-to-visit-loyola-chicago-this.html?m=1 (http://www.zsmart.blogspot.com/2014/04/thomas-to-visit-loyola-chicago-this.html?m=1)
There is a lot to like about mclean, local kid, good from three, solid three point shooter and a very good assit to turnover ratio. Good shooter who distributes and takes care of the ball, sounds like a nice PG to me
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Anybody know what the level of competition was at junior college? GG put up big numbers in JC also but we found out quickly alot of that had to do with who is was playing against.
level of comp was very good, they went to national tournament and played some top teams
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I like this kid a lot. Hope we get him. This is a type of kid who normally kills us as an opponent.
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Why not Montero an athletic wing who hit some 3s in the highlight video unless his percentage was poor?
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Honorable Mention Juco All American
@JucoRecruiting: Here's a look at the @njcaa D1 Men's Basketball All American Selections: http://t.co/gTsbMJch1s (http://t.co/gTsbMJch1s)
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I think Thomas would be a good fit.
We need a rebounder
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I never saw him play, but I'd take a flier on Gary Payton II.
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Fwiw, friend of mine who coached HS ball in Westchester area thinks Thomas can help us. Thomas is a strong, unselfish, skilled player who can contribute right away in his estimation. He would be my first choice of three guys recently on radar.
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I think Thomas would be a good fit.
We need a rebounder
We do. Actually we need several rebounders. I look
a guy like this as a $500 limit lottery ticket. If you win, he's serviceable, big his ceiling is limited. He's not Larry Johnson. We've tried with so many juco bigs over the years, that I'm skeptical this guy can even play in our conference.
I'd love to be wrong about all of our incoming players, but I can see how we don't get destroyed inside by a frontcourt w experience, talent and polish - 3 things we'll obviously be lacking in.
Someone mentioned Lamont Middleton. If this is Lamont Middleton, he'll be a solid 2 year starter for us, and he'll be better than both Obekpa and Sampson in terms of actual production, but certainly not talent. Guys gotta play hard, and pay attention. Sampson isn't going to be playing in the league until he develops a more well rounded skill set, but his bigger problem that he doesn't pay attention.
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
really? can't tell if you're kidding.
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Looks like a solid lunch pail guy.
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
really? can't tell if you're kidding.
Unfortunately, Not kidding. What top recruit would want to come here and play against the likes of DePaul, Butler etc. when you could go higher? We must rely on guys like this now and transfers that didn't work out at better programs. Such is the way of mid Major life
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
really? can't tell if you're kidding.
Unfortunately, Not kidding. What top recruit would want to come here and play against the likes of DePaul, Butler etc. when you could go higher? We must rely on guys like this now and transfers that didn't work out at better programs. Such is the way of mid Major life
You crack me up. What league doesn't have a few bottom feeders in it?
If this kid plays hard he would be a welcome addition to our team.
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
really? can't tell if you're kidding.
Unfortunately, Not kidding. What top recruit would want to come here and play against the likes of DePaul, Butler etc. when you could go higher? We must rely on guys like this now and transfers that didn't work out at better programs. Such is the way of mid Major life
You crack me up. What league doesn't have a few bottom feeders in it?
If this kid plays hard he would be a welcome addition to our team.
Next year , everyone but Villanova and maybe Seton Hall will be bottom feeders
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Any league with St John's in it would have us as their bottom feeder..including the Patriot League.
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Any league with St John's in it would have us as their bottom feeder..including the Patriot League.
Yeah because we didn't finish 3rd last year or anything. ::)
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Any league with St John's in it would have us as their bottom feeder..including the Patriot League.
Yeah because we didn't finish 3rd last year or anything. ::)
3rd and got waxed by Rob Morris at home.
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
really? can't tell if you're kidding.
Unfortunately, Not kidding. What top recruit would want to come here and play against the likes of DePaul, Butler etc. when you could go higher? We must rely on guys like this now and transfers that didn't work out at better programs. Such is the way of mid Major life
I think it's more about the coach than the conference. If you have to sell your program on who you'll be playing, before how you can develop their game, you're in trouble. That's what Norm did. I know Lavin needs a ton of work, but if by some chance, as unlikely as it is, Sampson gets drafted, and makes the league, he's in the same position as many of the ACC and Big Ten schools in terms of helping kids move on to becoming a pro.
Lavin doesn't have top kids coming in next season, or really ANY kids, because he didn't recruit after losing McCullough to SU. This is a mess that he made. At the very least, he should have known that Sanchez and Gift needed to be replaced.
That said, there's no one left, and Lavin is now forced to either find another job, which clearly isn;t likely right now, or piece together a front court somehow. If this kid was a stud he'd be on our radar, because top programs would be on him as well. I have serious doubt about any of the leftovers we add at this point.
The only way I see Lavin saving next season is if Cal leaves for the league, and it starts a chain of new college coaches. Then maybe he could land a kid that asks for a release. That, is just as much of a lottery ticket as asking Keith Thomas to come in and average 10 points and 12 boards, like I'm sure several self-medicating STJ fans will do.
I wonder, next season, position by position, are we even more talented than Iona? I don't think so.
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Any league with St John's in it would have us as their bottom feeder..including the Patriot League.
Yeah because we didn't finish 3rd last year or anything. ::)
3rd and got waxed by Rob Morris at home.
Still 3rd. I didn't say we played well in the NIT game.
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Any league with St John's in it would have us as their bottom feeder..including the Patriot League.
Yeah because we didn't finish 3rd last year or anything. ::)
3rd and got waxed by Rob Morris at home.
Still 3rd. I didn't say we played well in the NIT game.
The fact that this team finished 3rd speaks volumes
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Any league with St John's in it would have us as their bottom feeder..including the Patriot League.
Yeah because we didn't finish 3rd last year or anything. ::)
3rd and got waxed by Rob Morris at home.
Still 3rd. I didn't say we played well in the NIT game.
The fact that this team finished 3rd speaks volumes
Heading into Selection Sunday, SJU was ranked 39th in the country according to KenPom. If you aren't going to be even somewhat objective, please post less frequently
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Any league with St John's in it would have us as their bottom feeder..including the Patriot League.
Yeah because we didn't finish 3rd last year or anything. ::)
3rd and got waxed by Rob Morris at home.
Still 3rd. I didn't say we played well in the NIT game.
The fact that this team finished 3rd speaks volumes
Heading into Selection Sunday, SJU was ranked 39th in the country according to KenPom. If you aren't going to be even somewhat objective, please post less frequently
RPI ranked 65th
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Any league with St John's in it would have us as their bottom feeder..including the Patriot League.
Yeah because we didn't finish 3rd last year or anything. ::)
3rd and got waxed by Rob Morris at home.
Still 3rd. I didn't say we played well in the NIT game.
The fact that this team finished 3rd speaks volumes
Heading into Selection Sunday, SJU was ranked 39th in the country according to KenPom. If you aren't going to be even somewhat objective, please post less frequently
RPI ranked 65th
Any league with St John's in it would have us as their bottom feeder..including the Patriot League.
Yeah because we didn't finish 3rd last year or anything. ::)
3rd and got waxed by Rob Morris at home.
Still 3rd. I didn't say we played well in the NIT game.
The fact that this team finished 3rd speaks volumes
Heading into Selection Sunday, SJU was ranked 39th in the country according to KenPom. If you aren't going to be even somewhat objective, please post less frequently
RPI ranked 65th
Any league with St John's in it would have us as their bottom feeder..including the Patriot League.
Yeah because we didn't finish 3rd last year or anything. ::)
3rd and got waxed by Rob Morris at home.
Still 3rd. I didn't say we played well in the NIT game.
The fact that this team finished 3rd speaks volumes
Heading into Selection Sunday, SJU was ranked 39th in the country according to KenPom. If you aren't going to be even somewhat objective, please post less frequently
RPI ranked 65th
I think we can agree that it's an inferior metric. But thanks for using actual facts. Speaking of RPI, do you consider the 3rd best conference by RPI to be a mid major?
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
really? can't tell if you're kidding.
Unfortunately, Not kidding. What top recruit would want to come here and play against the likes of DePaul, Butler etc. when you could go higher? We must rely on guys like this now and transfers that didn't work out at better programs. Such is the way of mid Major life
Why'd a top prospect sign with SMU this year? You are ridiculous Baldi. You have a strange way of acting like a fan.
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PAC 12? No
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
really? can't tell if you're kidding.
Unfortunately, Not kidding. What top recruit would want to come here and play against the likes of DePaul, Butler etc. when you could go higher? We must rely on guys like this now and transfers that didn't work out at better programs. Such is the way of mid Major life
Why'd a top prospect sign with SMU this year? You are ridiculous Baldi. You have a strange way of acting like a fan.
SMU has pretty good coach no?
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PAC 12? No
Apologies. Big East finished 4th in RPI. So every conference outside of the top 3 using your preferred measurement is a mid or low major?
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PAC 12? No
Apologies. Big East finished 4th in RPI. So every conference outside of the top 3 using your preferred measurement is a mid or low major?
I'm not one for these matrix rankings either. IMO, I think there are 6 or 7 conferences better than the Big East
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I'm not one for these matrix rankings either. IMO, I think there are 6 or 7 conferences better than the Big East
Based on what, watching the games while drinking beer and eating chips?
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Fwiw, friend of mine who coached HS ball in Westchester area thinks Thomas can help us. Thomas is a strong, unselfish, skilled player who can contribute right away in his estimation. He would be my first choice of three guys recently on radar.
Strong, unselfish, and skilled? I just hope he doesn't get alienated. I wanted to dislike this kid when I first saw the thread that we were recruiting a JUCO from WCC. Before I read anything I thought it was desperate--and it still probably is--but I think Lavin might back himself into a very good four afterall.
There are a 100 or more stories of 22-23 year olds not enjoying much success, but Rodman played one season of JUCO ball as a 22 year old before going to an NAIA school and playing three years. It's not like Rodman was a top 100 kid that wen to a blue blood. It should be something that kids like Thomas never forget. There just are not a lot of kids willing to defend, screen, and rebound without wanting the offensive looks in return. That is a rare commodity on any level. That was Sampson's best chance at the NBA as well...but he chose to work on being a wing.
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Any league with St John's in it would have us as their bottom feeder..including the Patriot League.
Yeah because we didn't finish 3rd last year or anything. ::)
3rd and got waxed by Rob Morris at home.
Still 3rd. I didn't say we played well in the NIT game.
The fact that this team finished 3rd speaks volumes
That is true. We produced an empty 10-8 record. It's not much different than when Norm used to say hey look, we won 17 games, when 2/3 of them were against NJIT, St.Francis, Bryant, North Florida and Southeast New Jersey State. The BE is about as good as the A10 was. Only a homer would deny that.
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
really? can't tell if you're kidding.
Unfortunately, Not kidding. What top recruit would want to come here and play against the likes of DePaul, Butler etc. when you could go higher? We must rely on guys like this now and transfers that didn't work out at better programs. Such is the way of mid Major life
Why'd a top prospect sign with SMU this year? You are ridiculous Baldi. You have a strange way of acting like a fan.
SMU has pretty good coach no?
I thought so in January, but Larry Brown's squad, like Lavin's collapsed at the end of the season. Really, mirror images on the floor.
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I'm not one for these matrix rankings either. IMO, I think there are 6 or 7 conferences better than the Big East
Based on what, watching the games while drinking beer and eating chips?
ACC, American conference, Atlantic 10, big 12, big 10, PAC 12 and SEC all better than the big East.
Thanks for taking some time out of the tanning booth to post.
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Marco- how many other mid major conferences have teams that are paid 5 mill annually and have every game on national tv? How much does the a 10 pull in? What happens to the A 10 when the watered down big east picks it apart in the next year or two. Will your guys have to settle for the cyo tyro division?
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Marco- how many other mid major conferences have teams that are paid 5 mill annually and have every game on national tv? How much does the a 10 pull in? What happens to the A 10 when the watered down big east picks it apart in the next year or two. Will your guys have to settle for the cyo tyro division?
Similar to replacing Syracuse, UConn , Louisville etc with Xavier, Creighton, butler?
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
really? can't tell if you're kidding.
Unfortunately, Not kidding. What top recruit would want to come here and play against the likes of DePaul, Butler etc. when you could go higher? We must rely on guys like this now and transfers that didn't work out at better programs. Such is the way of mid Major life
Why'd a top prospect sign with SMU this year? You are ridiculous Baldi. You have a strange way of acting like a fan.
SMU has pretty good coach no?
I thought so in January, but Larry Brown's squad, like Lavin's collapsed at the end of the season. Really, mirror images on the floor.
So now Larry Brown is not up to your standards, wow! no one gets a break with you.
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Marco- how many other mid major conferences have teams that are paid 5 mill annually and have every game on national tv? How much does the a 10 pull in? What happens to the A 10 when the watered down big east picks it apart in the next year or two. Will your guys have to settle for the cyo tyro division?
Similar to replacing Syracuse, UConn , Louisville etc with Xavier, Creighton, butler?
Your like a 9 year old who does the finger point. Yes, it's EXACTLY the same scenario as the one your described. BE lost team, and reached lower to replace.
Way to completely ignore the question. I'm curious to know, are there other "mid major" conferences with every game on national tv and pulling in 5 mil a year?
What does the A-10 pull in?
How about the MAAC?
Was any MAAC team on National TV other than the conference tournament?
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PAC 12? No
Apologies. Big East finished 4th in RPI. So every conference outside of the top 3 using your preferred measurement is a mid or low major?
Baldi should live in Hawaii. He lives, eats and breathes SPAM.
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Marco- how many other mid major conferences have teams that are paid 5 mill annually and have every game on national tv? How much does the a 10 pull in? What happens to the A 10 when the watered down big east picks it apart in the next year or two. Will your guys have to settle for the cyo tyro division?
Similar to replacing Syracuse, UConn , Louisville etc with Xavier, Creighton, butler?
Your like a 9 year old who does the finger point. Yes, it's EXACTLY the same scenario as the one your described. BE lost team, and reached lower to replace.
Way to completely ignore the question. I'm curious to know, are there other "mid major" conferences with every game on national tv and pulling in 5 mil a year?
What does the A-10 pull in?
How about the MAAC?
Was any MAAC team on National TV other than the conference tournament?
Conference tournament wasn't even on tv.
How many fans at that home nIT game? How many actually watched it on tv?
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Mods may you can split this topic?
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Marco- how many other mid major conferences have teams that are paid 5 mill annually and have every game on national tv? How much does the a 10 pull in? What happens to the A 10 when the watered down big east picks it apart in the next year or two. Will your guys have to settle for the cyo tyro division?
Similar to replacing Syracuse, UConn , Louisville etc with Xavier, Creighton, butler?
Your like a 9 year old who does the finger point. Yes, it's EXACTLY the same scenario as the one your described. BE lost team, and reached lower to replace.
Way to completely ignore the question. I'm curious to know, are there other "mid major" conferences with every game on national tv and pulling in 5 mil a year?
What does the A-10 pull in?
How about the MAAC?
Was any MAAC team on National TV other than the conference tournament?
Conference tournament wasn't even on tv.
How many fans at that home nIT game? How many actually watched it on tv?
If you are judging a program's fans by their attendance at an NIT game when we have all been dying to make the NCAA, you are just looking to twist facts to knock St. John's. Go post on some Iona board.
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As someone who does not post much but loves to read this site it makes me laugh how you all let Baldi get under your skin. He is like the annoying kid who keeps doing the same thing over and over because he knows it will get a rise out of you. Usually best to just ignore as they will get bored.
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Everyone gets upset at the truth
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This thread has become the suck.
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Marco- how many other mid major conferences have teams that are paid 5 mill annually and have every game on national tv? How much does the a 10 pull in? What happens to the A 10 when the watered down big east picks it apart in the next year or two. Will your guys have to settle for the cyo tyro division?
Similar to replacing Syracuse, UConn , Louisville etc with Xavier, Creighton, butler?
???
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
Any time you can take a shot you can. What a surprise!!
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What's next? We going to throw a party when we get a transfer from Niagara ?
Ya let's talk extension again
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Keeping on topic. I like what I'm hearing about Thomas and hope we get him.
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Keeping on topic. I like what I'm hearing about Thomas and hope we get him.
Where is this kid from originally?
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What's next? We going to throw a party when we get a transfer from Niagara ?
Ya let's talk extension again
We?
Don’t worry Lavin won’t make it thru next weekend.
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What's next? We going to throw a party when we get a transfer from Niagara ?
Ya let's talk extension again
We?
Don’t worry Lavin won’t make it thru next weekend.
Agreed FORDHAM
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
really? can't tell if you're kidding.
Unfortunately, Not kidding. What top recruit would want to come here and play against the likes of DePaul, Butler etc. when you could go higher? We must rely on guys like this now and transfers that didn't work out at better programs. Such is the way of mid Major life
Yeah because 14 out of the top 100 players didn't sign with this major conference or anything :idiot2:
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
really? can't tell if you're kidding.
Unfortunately, Not kidding. What top recruit would want to come here and play against the likes of DePaul, Butler etc. when you could go higher? We must rely on guys like this now and transfers that didn't work out at better programs. Such is the way of mid Major life
Yeah because 14 out of the top 100 players didn't sign with this major conference or anything :idiot2:
Wasn't Pointer top 100.?
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What's next? We going to throw a party when we get a transfer from Niagara ?
Ya let's talk extension again
We?
Don’t worry Lavin won’t make it thru next weekend.
Agreed FORDHAM
My buddy, my buddy, my buddy….
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When is his official visit?
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Don't forget, the league isn't what it used to be. This could be a good signing
really? can't tell if you're kidding.
Unfortunately, Not kidding. What top recruit would want to come here and play against the likes of DePaul, Butler etc. when you could go higher? We must rely on guys like this now and transfers that didn't work out at better programs. Such is the way of mid Major life
Yeah because 14 out of the top 100 players didn't sign with this major conference or anything :idiot2:
Wasn't Pointer top 100.?
How is that relevant? You said " What top recruit would want to come here and play against the likes of DePaul, Butler etc. when you could go higher?". Obviously top players are still coming to this conference and dont look at any other conferences as "higher"
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What's next? We going to throw a party when we get a transfer from Niagara ?
Ya let's talk extension again
We?
Don’t worry Lavin won’t make it thru next weekend.
Agreed FORDHAM
My buddy, my buddy, my buddy….
So to recap, I have a guy named Testicles calling me a 9 year old and another named Fordham questioning if I'm a fan. Good stuff
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Any league with St John's in it would have us as their bottom feeder..including the Patriot League.
Yeah because we didn't finish 3rd last year or anything. ::)
Don't feed the troll
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What's next? We going to throw a party when we get a transfer from Niagara ?
Ya let's talk extension again
We?
Don’t worry Lavin won’t make it thru next weekend.
Agreed FORDHAM
If you had Aprill 11th in the "When Will Someone Agree with Fordham96" Pool...you are the winner. PM Moose for your winnings.
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@NYPost_Brazille: College coach on St. John's recruit Keith Thomas: "High, high level rebounder. ... Not kid you throw ball into post, but good hands." #sjubb
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What's next? We going to throw a party when we get a transfer from Niagara ?
Ya let's talk extension again
We?
Don’t worry Lavin won’t make it thru next weekend.
Agreed FORDHAM
My buddy, my buddy, my buddy….
So to recap, I have a guy named Testicles calling me a 9 year old and another named Fordham questioning if I'm a fan. Good stuff
And your point is?
I am going to open 2 other user names, straight is great and gay is good.
You know, keep em guessing.
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Any chance of stopping this inane banter & getting back to the thread subject?
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To close, so as to keep the topic on Thomas, if usernames were evidence of how much a fan you are of a program RealFan would be Lavin's waterboy.
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What's next? We going to throw a party when we get a transfer from Niagara ?
Ya let's talk extension again
We?
Don’t worry Lavin won’t make it thru next weekend.
Agreed FORDHAM
My buddy, my buddy, my buddy….
So to recap, I have a guy named Testicles calling me a 9 year old and another named Fordham questioning if I'm a fan. Good stuff
And your point is?
I am going to open 2 other user names, straight is great and gay is good.
You know, keep em guessing.
Why so testy this week? Did your mom burn the meatloaf or start charging you rent for staying in the basement?
(http://i.imgur.com/CWTMa.jpg)
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Marillac when did you become the resident comedian? Lately you have been too funny!
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Marillac when did you become the resident comedian? Lately you have been too funny!
Most of my good stuff gets deleted quickly. Marillac is liking this new longer leash.
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Everyone gets upset at the truth
it's the truth as you see it, others think otherwise. who is right we will find out in the next year.
it is getting so repetitious on both sides, like children in a playground.
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Everyone gets upset at the truth
it's the truth as you see it, others think otherwise. who is right we will find out in the next year.
it is getting so repetitious on both sides, like children in a playground.
Why do we have to wait until next year? Before this season everyone said NCAAs or bust, some said sweet 16, others even further. Lavin had a stacked roster for our conference and failed to make the T. Everyone had said no more excuses and Lavin has no excuses. Now with a depleted roster and recruits off the scrap heap we have to wait another year for an answer, I don't think so, the answer is in and it says unfortunately Lavin ain't all that as a coach.
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ok, we know you don't like Lavin. We get it. We won't forget. Enough already. You have made your point.
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Why do we have to wait until next year? Before this season everyone said NCAAs or bust
Did the Admin ever say NCAAs or bust? Do we all of a sudden have the power to fire the coach?
I'm not saying I disagree with you, but you are beating a dead horse here.
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Everyone gets upset at the truth
it's the truth as you see it, others think otherwise. who is right we will find out in the next year.
it is getting so repetitious on both sides, like children in a playground.
Why do we have to wait until next year? Before this season everyone said NCAAs or bust, some said sweet 16, others even further. Lavin had a stacked roster for our conference and failed to make the T. Everyone had said no more excuses and Lavin has no excuses. Now with a depleted roster and recruits off the scrap heap we have to wait another year for an answer, I don't think so, the answer is in and it says unfortunately Lavin ain't all that as a coach.
We always have to wait until "next year". We're the cubs of college basketball. Awesome, storied venue massively trumps a dramatically overrated product.
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Everyone gets upset at the truth
it's the truth as you see it, others think otherwise. who is right we will find out in the next year.
it is getting so repetitious on both sides, like children in a playground.
Why do we have to wait until next year? Before this season everyone said NCAAs or bust, some said sweet 16, others even further. Lavin had a stacked roster for our conference and failed to make the T. Everyone had said no more excuses and Lavin has no excuses. Now with a depleted roster and recruits off the scrap heap we have to wait another year for an answer, I don't think so, the answer is in and it says unfortunately Lavin ain't all that as a coach.
We always have to wait until "next year". We're the cubs of college basketball. Awesome, storied venue massively trumps a dramatically overrated product.
he's going to be here next year, as much as you don't like it. keep saying the same thing over and over again won't change that.
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Back to the topic...I would really be happy if we landed this kid. It's not an ideal situation, but Lavin may have backed his way into a kid that is areally good fit for this team. If we are going to lose, I would so much rather it be with kids playing their hearts out and scraping their heads on their respective (lower) ceilings, than have a bunch of top 50 kids act like they are lottery picks that don't have to work for anything.
This kid is going to play with a chip on his shoulder the size of the grand canyon, and I love that. so If he and Sampson collided down low, Sampson would end up laying on the baseline next to the camera guy while this kid walked to the foul line for his and one after Sanchez fouled him.
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Everyone gets upset at the truth
it's the truth as you see it, others think otherwise. who is right we will find out in the next year.
it is getting so repetitious on both sides, like children in a playground.
Why do we have to wait until next year? Before this season everyone said NCAAs or bust, some said sweet 16, others even further. Lavin had a stacked roster for our conference and failed to make the T. Everyone had said no more excuses and Lavin has no excuses. Now with a depleted roster and recruits off the scrap heap we have to wait another year for an answer, I don't think so, the answer is in and it says unfortunately Lavin ain't all that as a coach.
We always have to wait until "next year". We're the cubs of college basketball. Awesome, storied venue massively trumps a dramatically overrated product.
he's going to be here next year, as much as you don't like it. keep saying the same thing over and over again won't change that.
I don't know who's post you're responding to, but it's not mine.
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Looks like we are also after his teammate Gio McLean - http://www.zsmart.blogspot.com/2014/04/thomas-to-visit-loyola-chicago-this.html?m=1 (http://www.zsmart.blogspot.com/2014/04/thomas-to-visit-loyola-chicago-this.html?m=1)
Reading the descriptions of Thomas St. John´s have always had this kind of players. I think that it is good.
And I like that McLean averages more than 7 assists per game.
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And I like that McLean averages more than 7 assists per game.
I loved the idea of him when I thought Greene was jumping ship, but no room for him now, unfortunately, unless he redshirted.
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Everyone gets upset at the truth
it's the truth as you see it, others think otherwise. who is right we will find out in the next year.
it is getting so repetitious on both sides, like children in a playground.
Why do we have to wait until next year? Before this season everyone said NCAAs or bust, some said sweet 16, others even further. Lavin had a stacked roster for our conference and failed to make the T. Everyone had said no more excuses and Lavin has no excuses. Now with a depleted roster and recruits off the scrap heap we have to wait another year for an answer, I don't think so, the answer is in and it says unfortunately Lavin ain't all that as a coach.
We always have to wait until "next year". We're the cubs of college basketball. Awesome, storied venue massively trumps a dramatically overrated product.
he's going to be here next year, as much as you don't like it. keep saying the same thing over and over again won't change that.
I don't know who's post you're responding to, but it's not mine.
Wasn't referring to your post, Baldi's. sorry for the confusion.
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Marillac when did you become the resident comedian? Lately you have been too funny!
Most of my good stuff gets deleted quickly. Marillac is liking this new longer leash.
MAAAA - MEATLOAF..!!!
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Does Obepka coming back affect Thomas' decision?
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I'd say likely not. Thomas seems to be more of a 4 at this level, not a 5 (as he likely was at CC although I'm not sure what he played). I admittedly don't know much about CC bball, but has anyone actually seen this kid play? I'm a little concerned that he's been beating up on inferior competition.
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Does Obepka coming back affect Thomas' decision?
Did Dean Portman get discouraged when the Mighty Ducks already head Fulton Reed? I think not. Bash brothers part two.
(http://m.blog.hu/tr/transfesser/image/Kerge%20kacs%C3%A1k/d2%20Bash%20Brothers.jpg)
Quack...quack...quack....
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Does Obepka coming back affect Thomas' decision?
Probably not. Lavin is meeting with Obekpa this week (convenient since the next 4 days 14th thru 17th are a Dead Period in recruiting) at which he will tell Obekpa that he will soon be fired as HC.
That should be the clincher for Obekpa and Thomas.
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Does Obepka coming back affect Thomas' decision?
Did Dean Portman get discouraged when the Mighty Ducks already head Fulton Reed? I think not. Bash brothers part two.
(http://m.blog.hu/tr/transfesser/image/Kerge%20kacs%C3%A1k/d2%20Bash%20Brothers.jpg)
Quack...quack...quack....
haha impressive Marillac, nice work
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Does Obepka coming back affect Thomas' decision?
Why would it? CO is a 5. He would only be competing w Jones at the 4,the way the roster is now.
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Visiting Monday per Zach Braziller.
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Keiff be comin.
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We will be in very good shape if we can land Thomas and Chris O comes back.
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But we'll still have Baldi.
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We will be in very good shape if we can land Thomas and Chris O comes back.
Those two are better than all of what we had last year up front.
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We will be in very good shape if we can land Thomas and Chris O comes back.
Those two are better than all of what we had last year up front.
Uhh... Obekpa was half of what we had up front. So what you are really saying is that Thomas is better than Sampson + Sanchez. I do not agree.
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We will be in very good shape if we can land Thomas and Chris O comes back.
Those two are better than all of what we had last year up front.
We will get Thomas I believe. Cunningham is doubtful IMO, but who knows & Horford is going elsewhere. I think the critical next piece is a shooter. Lavin will hopefully surprise us there.
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Hope he finds us a real shooter, not someones buddy
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We will be in very good shape if we can land Thomas and Chris O comes back.
Those two are better than all of what we had last year up front.
We will get Thomas I believe. Cunningham is doubtful IMO & Horford is going elsewhere. I think the critical next piece is a shooter. Lavin will hopefully surprise us there.
Lavin scouring the NRA this late in the game
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We will be in very good shape if we can land Thomas and Chris O comes back.
Those two are better than all of what we had last year up front.
Uhh... Obekpa was half of what we had up front. So what you are really saying is that Thomas is better than Sampson + Sanchez. I do not agree.
Wait...If Obekpa was half of what we had, and we also had Sampson and Sanchez....did we have one and a half frontcourts? :p
Hard to say who is better, as we haven't seen Thomas play on our team yet. It would seem he's the best rebounder of the bunch, which we sorely lacked. But Sampson was the best scorer, which we will also lack. I'd say different rather than better/worse.
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria · 6m
JUCO F Keith Thomas sets officials to St. John's Monday-Tues & USF Wed-Thurs. Arizona has also just shown interest
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Done Deal
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Done Deal
Don't give us so much to go on. Or are your words from High on the Mount?
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Done Deal
Be interesting to see if he goes on his USF trip but I think either way he is a Johnny.
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Is there any video of him? I looked through the thread and didn't see it.
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Is there any video of him? I looked through the thread and didn't see it.
► 18:28► 18:28
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZxsBE_jcSc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZxsBE_jcSc#ws)
Mar 4, 2014 - Uploaded by Kurt Sports Network
WCC VIKINGS vs HARCUM 2014 REGION XV CHAMPIONSHIP GAME MAR 2 2014 ...
Google Westchester Community for other games.
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Done Deal
Done Deal
Done Deal
Done Deal
Done Deal
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I hope your right . It we get thomas I will feel good about next years team.
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Done Deal
Like
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Hope we land him. Big rebounder. Arizona pursuing means he must be better than many originally assumed.
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Indeed done! Don't kill the messenger but buddy who I have known for years and still part of athletic department says yes
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Indeed done! Don't kill the messenger but buddy who I have known for years and still part of athletic department says yes
No need to kill the messenger if he brings good news.
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The guy I listen too is someone I trust a lot. He can be wrong, but he is part of of the programs inner circle and he loves telling good news. He has been wrong before but his batting average is better now than in college and he hit 400
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Lavin having dinner with two two recruits at Mr. Chow last night in Tribeca.
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Was Baldi there?
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If he was he did not offer to pick up the check.
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If he was he did not offer to pick up the check.
If it were top talent, than maybe
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Here is a link to a whole game:
"Full Game" WCC Vikings vs BALTIMORE CITY COMM COLLEGE 2014 DIST 3 CHAMPIONSHIP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GmalJU0rPY#ws)
BTW: In watching these videos of some Westchester CC games another player besides Keith Thomas caught my eye. I thought Luis Montero looked really good. Very athletic and quick. He sort of reminded me of Felipe Lopez a bit. I kind of got the impression that he is a freshman and would be eligible in the class of 2015. Has anybody either seen him play or have any info on him? Is he on the radar for us or any other D1 schools? Just off video he looks worth pursuing to me
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The video I watched showed Thomas to have a good offensive game also. I too, liked Monterro.
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http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/keith-thomas-to-visit-st-johns-usf-arizona-showing-interest/ (http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/keith-thomas-to-visit-st-johns-usf-arizona-showing-interest/)
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The video I watched showed Thomas to have a good offensive game also. I too, liked Monterro.
What I liked in the video is that he plays inside and does not throw up threes. At the next level he would be a PF not a center as at WCC. We can offer him that opportunity with 2 guys at center.
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I don't see it. I watched parts of 3 different games, and I can't see what you guys are so excited about. He's a good rebounder, but aside from that I'm not impressed at all. Below average defensively. No range. Not quick. Can't handle. And at the D1 level his size advantage will be mitigated.
If he's supposed to replace Sampson, we're going to be very disappointed.
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If given the choice, I'd play ADR before Thomas.
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If given the choice, I'd play ADR before Thomas.
Have to disagree on that Desco. ADR is not ready for prime time. In talking to Moose, he compares Thomas to Dustin Hogue of Iowa State in terms of his Juco background, rebounding ability, blue collar play & team first attitude. To boot, both hail from Westchester. Few knew who Hogue was prior to coming to Ames, but he has had a positive impact at ISU for sure. To be fair, Hogue was more highly ranked (30) than Honorable Mention AA Thomas. Secondly, Hogue has developed into a competent outside shooter. Lastly, Thomas is a bit taller. The key points of comparison, however, are unselfish play & tenacious rebounding. We need that.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66148/dustin-hogue (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66148/dustin-hogue)
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I don't see it. I watched parts of 3 different games, and I can't see what you guys are so excited about. He's a good rebounder, but aside from that I'm not impressed at all. Below average defensively. No range. Not quick. Can't handle. And at the D1 level his size advantage will be mitigated.
If he's supposed to replace Sampson, we're going to be very disappointed.
He's not quick or explosive. It also doesn't show how he is on defense,but he's already way stronger than Sampson and his rebounding is superior. I'd also venture to say his offensive game near the rim will be much better. He may not give us the 2-3 dunks per game, but I really like the efficiency to his game on offense based on the videos...no wasted movement, no excess dribbling, not trying to be something he's not.
I'd imagine base on his rebounding #s and the quotes about his work ethic and mindset that he'd buy into defense and the little things like screening in a way that Sampson never could.
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@AdamZagoria: JUCO F Keith Thomas is currently on his official to #sjubb. Goes to USF Wednesday
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(http://i.imgur.com/zP0rFEo.png)
Gotta think Lav took Keith to the Garden and brought Rysheed with him!
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@NYPost_Brazille: Competition heating up for Westchester CC's Keith Thomas. Scheduled visit to Miami May 1-2, per coach Tyrone Mushatt #sjubb
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We need to get this done and land him...
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It’s not the end of the world if it drags out a little bit.
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As long as we end up getting him and not losing out on someone else because we were waiting.
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As long as we end up getting him and not losing out on someone else because we were waiting.
Well we waited until spring for no apparent reason anyway. Had we recruited 2 forwards back in the fall, there were dozens more good ones still on the table. Now we sweat it out I guess. I still want to see Thomas and Cunningham here.
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As long as we end up getting him and not losing out on someone else because we were waiting.
Well we waited until spring for no apparent reason anyway. Had we recruited 2 forwards back in the fall, there were dozens more good ones still on the table. Now we sweat it out I guess. I still want to see Thomas and Cunningham here.
They did recruit people, just didn't land them
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As long as we end up getting him and not losing out on someone else because we were waiting.
Well we waited until spring for no apparent reason anyway. Had we recruited 2 forwards back in the fall, there were dozens more good ones still on the table. Now we sweat it out I guess. I still want to see Thomas and Cunningham here.
They did recruit people, just didn't land them
We didn't recruit many forwards in this class? Like who? Delgado for a day? We didn't push for Larrier at all. Knowing our potential losses, we should have pushed harder on more kids and earlier this year. There's no doubt in my mind.
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As long as we end up getting him and not losing out on someone else because we were waiting.
Well we waited until spring for no apparent reason anyway. Had we recruited 2 forwards back in the fall, there were dozens more good ones still on the table. Now we sweat it out I guess. I still want to see Thomas and Cunningham here.
They did recruit people, just didn't land them
We didn't recruit many forwards in this class? Like who? Delgado for a day? We didn't push for Larrier at all. Knowing our potential losses, we should have pushed harder on more kids and earlier this year. There's no doubt in my mind.
It's been Lavin's MO to only recruit a few players that he thinks he can land. Might not be the best approach in our minds but it appears to work for him.
It has been said that he has recruited ADR, Cunningham and IW the hardest with 3 scholarships to give at the time. It was reported that IW was ready to sign before the Tiny deal, he landed ADR and might be close with Cunningham.
Thomas has been on their radar for awhile now and I'm hoping they have been recruiting another shooter.
I would love for them to land a transfer that could sit a year and be good to go in 2015.
I have no idea how hard or how lazy the staff has been this past recruiting cycle. I do feel that things will somehow work out with a few signings next week.
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Seems we are in great shape;
http://zagsblog.com/articles/keith-thomas-enjoys-st-johns-visit-others-coming-mclean-visiting-oklahoma/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/keith-thomas-enjoys-st-johns-visit-others-coming-mclean-visiting-oklahoma/)
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I have no idea if this kid is good or not, but I really want him because everything people say about him is exactly what this team needs:
"“He sticks to what he does well,” he said. “He’s not a kid tries to do stuff he can’t do. That’s what makes him so good. Rebounding is just a natural thing for him. He can score as well too, but he’s OK passing the ball. His thing is, as long as we’re winning, I’m OK, I’m going to do my part.”"
If it said "expert x and o's tactician" I'd be in Westchester with the briefcase.
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Seems we are in great shape;
http://zagsblog.com/articles/keith-thomas-enjoys-st-johns-visit-others-coming-mclean-visiting-oklahoma/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/keith-thomas-enjoys-st-johns-visit-others-coming-mclean-visiting-oklahoma/)
After reading the quotes in this article now have to question the kid's basketball IQ (Lavin's a genius). :) Disclaimer: this attempt at a little humor does not come with the approval of Boo. :(
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Seems we are in great shape;
http://zagsblog.com/articles/keith-thomas-enjoys-st-johns-visit-others-coming-mclean-visiting-oklahoma/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/keith-thomas-enjoys-st-johns-visit-others-coming-mclean-visiting-oklahoma/)
After reading the quotes in this article now have to question the kid's basketball IQ (Lavin's a genius). :) Disclaimer: this attempt at a little humor does not come with the approval of Boo. :(
Maybe Lavin told him he'd be the second coming of Karl Malone. Genius!
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1) Thomas is a really good player and will be a nice piece. Im a big fan
2) Jones stinks...no loss
3) Cunningham has a lot of upside...staff really likes him
4) Briscoe is obviously a complete stud. Worry more about SMU than Louisville
5) Diallo is a man and he has no clues where he's going so dont believe otherwise but he and Briscoe are both VERY high on SJU
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1) Thomas is a really good player and will be a nice piece. Im a big fan
2) Jones stinks...no loss
3) Cunningham has a lot of upside...staff really likes him
4) Briscoe is obviously a complete stud. Worry more about SMU than Louisville
5) Diallo is a man and he has no clues where he's going so dont believe otherwise but he and Briscoe are both VERY high on SJU
Welcome back '79. Anyone other than Thomas and Cunningham in play for 2014 (shooter, transfer, etc.)? Thanks again.
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1) Thomas is a really good player and will be a nice piece. Im a big fan
2) Jones stinks...no loss
3) Cunningham has a lot of upside...staff really likes him
4) Briscoe is obviously a complete stud. Worry more about SMU than Louisville
5) Diallo is a man and he has no clues where he's going so dont believe otherwise but he and Briscoe are both VERY high on SJU
. How are our chances w Thomas?
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Really, how good is this kid? Westchester Community College?
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1) Thomas is a really good player and will be a nice piece. Im a big fan
2) Jones stinks...no loss
3) Cunningham has a lot of upside...staff really likes him
4) Briscoe is obviously a complete stud. Worry more about SMU than Louisville
5) Diallo is a man and he has no clues where he's going so dont believe otherwise but he and Briscoe are both VERY high on SJU
. How are our chances w Thomas?
You can pencil him in. Getting him to come here isn't the issue.
What and how much he can contribute is what concerns me. He's going to be asked to be a key cog in the machine.
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I'd rather see Thomas as our starting Pf than Jones. But nobody really knows how they will perform until next season.
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Seems we are in great shape;
http://zagsblog.com/articles/keith-thomas-enjoys-st-johns-visit-others-coming-mclean-visiting-oklahoma/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/keith-thomas-enjoys-st-johns-visit-others-coming-mclean-visiting-oklahoma/)
After reading the quotes in this article now have to question the kid's basketball IQ (Lavin's a genius). :) Disclaimer: this attempt at a little humor does not come with the approval of Boo. :(
I'm worried about Larranaga. Big defense minded coach who has developed big men. One thing in our favor there is Canes have a lot of young size coming back.
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I'd rather see Thomas as our starting Pf than Jones. But nobody really knows how they will perform until next season.
Two years ago Jones wasn't a PF at all. He's a small forward who played facing the basket. At least from what I recall.
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I'd rather see Thomas as our starting Pf than Jones. But nobody really knows how they will perform until next season.
Two years Jones wasn't a PF at all. He's a small forward who played facing the basket. At least from what I recall.
+1
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Keiff be mad strong son.
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I'd rather see Thomas as our starting Pf than Jones. But nobody really knows how they will perform until next season.
Two years Jones wasn't a PF at all. He's a small forward who played facing the basket. At least from what I recall.
+1
Honestly think he had as many back to the basket buckets as Obekpa and sanchez had this year. Might not be saying much. Maybe ten (CRAZY!) He didnt hang around the perimeter. He would attack from 10-15 ft in.
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Teammate Goes to Oklahoma;
@Joshua_Newman: Westchester CC Point Guard Gio McLean to Okalhoma http://t.co/o9BcRsSjgc (http://t.co/o9BcRsSjgc)
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@NYPost_Brazille: Keith Thomas visit for Miami still May 1-2, no visits after. Decision should follow. #sjubb, Loyola (Chi.), Miami and South Florida options.
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Teammate Goes to Oklahoma;
@Joshua_Newman: Westchester CC Point Guard Gio McLean to Okalhoma http://t.co/o9BcRsSjgc (http://t.co/o9BcRsSjgc)
I was hoping we'd sign him and he'd redshirt for a year.
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Saw that he will narrow down to 2 schools on Wednesday
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Where did you see that?
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Where did you see that?
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/keith-thomas (http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/keith-thomas)
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thanks
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Two trains of thought here on this cut down:
1) SJU and USF and don't take the trip to Miami and decide shortly or
2) Eliminate USF and say SJU and Miami and will decide shortly after next weekend visit to Miami.
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I think we get Cunningham and Terrell, not Thomas. So expect the opposite
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I think we get Cunningham and Terrell, not Thomas. So expect the opposite
Id feel a lot better if your sources said we weren't getting Terrell. That way he'd be a lock for us :)
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I think we get Cunningham and Terrell, not Thomas. So expect the opposite
Id feel a lot better if your sources said we weren't getting Terrell. That way he'd be a lock for us :)
Me too
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I think we get Cunningham and Terrell, not Thomas. So expect the opposite
I hope we get all 3. If we land Terrell and Cunningham, it gives us two top 100 players. I live Terrell's game so I wouldn't be upset with that. Problem is though, we need Thomas as well becAuse he's the only true PF.
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Zach Braziller saying 3 which would imply SJU, USF and Miami:
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 13m
More St. John's recruiting news: Westchester CC's Keith Thomas will cut list to three Wed. Miami plus two others. #sjubb
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Following up Zach now says he will cut to two from list and visit Miami and indicates SJU has a good chance. But if you put two and two together assuming 1 is SJU AND he still is visiting Miami well that would imply Miami is the second school, no? In other words why would say cut to SJU and USF and then visit a school that you are NOT considering????
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 15m
To be more clear, Westchester CC's Keith Thomas will cut to two from among St. John's, Fordham, Loyola, USF, others. And visit Miami Friday
Joseph @jcoggs17 · 13m
@NYPost_Brazille does St. John's have a good chance
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 12m
@jcoggs17 Yes, I think so
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I think we get Cunningham and Terrell, not Thomas. So expect the opposite
I hope we get all 3. If we land Terrell and Cunningham, it gives us two top 100 players. I live Terrell's game so I wouldn't be upset with that. Problem is though, we need Thomas as well becAuse he's the only true PF.
Have we been mentioned with Terrell since he got his release?
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I think we get Cunningham and Terrell, not Thomas. So expect the opposite
I hope we get all 3. If we land Terrell and Cunningham, it gives us two top 100 players. I live Terrell's game so I wouldn't be upset with that. Problem is though, we need Thomas as well becAuse he's the only true PF.
Have we been mentioned with Terrell since he got his release?
No. Getting involved unlikely. PT availability alone makes this doubtful.
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I think we get Cunningham and Terrell, not Thomas. So expect the opposite
I hope we get all 3. If we land Terrell and Cunningham, it gives us two top 100 players. I live Terrell's game so I wouldn't be upset with that. Problem is though, we need Thomas as well becAuse he's the only true PF.
Have we been mentioned with Terrell since he got his release?
No. Getting involved unlikely. PT availability alone makes this doubtful.
Thanks Paultz. Unfortunate but getting Cunningham and Thomas would make this class a success IMO.
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My understanding is Terell is not coming here
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My understanding is Terell is not coming here
I have no idea where that rumor got started to begin with.
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Verbal commits still has St Johns as in the running for Terrell
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http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/keith-thomas-to-cut-to-three-by-wednesday/ (http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/keith-thomas-to-cut-to-three-by-wednesday/)
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Read between the lines. He was effusive in his praise about SJU. The trip to USF was “OK.” And RIGHT after his trip to Miami he is going to decide??
He knows where he is going??? HINT, HINT….
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Read between the lines. He was effusive in his praise about SJU. The trip to USF was “OK.” And RIGHT after his trip to Miami he is going to decide??
He knows where he is going??? HINT, HINT….
Have never thought otherwise. Will be a solid addition.
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Larranaga and his staff (specifically him and his 2 lead assistants) are NYC guys who will sell their program as understanding where Thomas is coming from. Also, although Larranaga likely runs a clean program, let's not forget where he's going to on this last visit - he assuredly spend the night in South Beach, perhaps running around with some boosters who are Nevin Shapiro acolytes. Beware final recruiting trips to tropical locales with half naked chicks aplenty.
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Larranaga and his staff (specifically him and his 2 lead assistants) are NYC guys who will sell their program as understanding where Thomas is coming from. Also, although Larranaga likely runs a clean program, let's not forget where he's going to on this last visit - he assuredly spend the night in South Beach, perhaps running around with some boosters who are Nevin Shapiro acolytes. Beware final recruiting trips to tropical locales with half naked chicks aplenty.
Or just take a free trip to South Beach, knowing where you really intend to go.
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Read between the lines. He was effusive in his praise about SJU. The trip to USF was “OK.” And RIGHT after his trip to Miami he is going to decide??
He knows where he is going??? HINT, HINT….
The coach - who was quoted by Zags as saying the visit was "OK," presumably a paraphrase - was quoted by Zags as saying of the SJ visit: "he enjoyed it." I don't see how one is effusive and the other not.
In the same article the coach is quoted as saying that Thomas said Lavin was a "genius." Which suggests he's suffered brain trauma. Hopefully he qualifies.
Despite all of which I am confident that ace recruiter Steve Lavin can beat out Loyola and Fordham for his services. Welcome aboard Keith!
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Read between the lines. He was effusive in his praise about SJU. The trip to USF was “OK.” And RIGHT after his trip to Miami he is going to decide??
He knows where he is going??? HINT, HINT….
I think the real sell for both Thomas and Cunningham is carte Blanche PT minutes. There's nobody on the roster ahead of Thomas at the PF spot, only Christian Jones to compete with. For Cunningham, there's nobody besides Pointer at the SF spot, and he gets a chance to move to the wing. I think that for both of these kids, immediate PT in a decent conference will be the easiest sell. It doesn't hurt that we also have a fantastic backcourt returning.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Keith Thomas visits Miami Thursday and will make a decision over the weekend, I'm told. St. John's and South Florida very much in mix #sjubb
@NYPost_Brazille: It should be noted, Keith Thomas has visited St. John's twice, and Johnnies were on him before USF or Miami. #sjubb
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You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
Then Lavin has to deliver on the goods in terms of winning next year and then a BIG recruiting class in 2015. I think he is primed for BOTH.
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You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
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i hope this guy comes here. Wish I went to Miami
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Larranaga and his staff (specifically him and his 2 lead assistants) are NYC guys who will sell their program as understanding where Thomas is coming from. Also, although Larranaga likely runs a clean program, let's not forget where he's going to on this last visit - he assuredly spend the night in South Beach, perhaps running around with some boosters who are Nevin Shapiro acolytes. Beware final recruiting trips to tropical locales with half naked chicks aplenty.
Or just take a free trip to South Beach, knowing where you really intend to go.
I don't think people realize where South Beach is. Hahaha. It's a separate island (Miami Beach) from Miami (a very unimpressive city with almost no skyline). UM is in Coral Gables...the traffic is obscene there and in Miami Beach as well. It's highly overrated and it's an hour's drive from UM unless you get lucky with traffic.
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You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
No.
I expect Jordan to be good, but truthfully nothing he did last season makes me think he's a contender for BE POY. You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
Fordham and Boo,
How much better did D'angelo get from fresh to soph year? Jakarr? Obekpa? Dom?
Why do you assume that Jordan will go from being a good player to BE POY? Or that Obekpa will suddenly be much better than he was last year?
Kids improve incrementally. 9 times out of 10, when a kid has a "breakout season", it's because he suddenly gets a lot more playing time. It's the exception to the rule when someone's skills improve so drastically in such a short period of time.
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You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
No.
I expect Jordan to be good, but truthfully nothing he did last season makes me think he's a contender for BE POY. You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
Fordham and Boo,
How much better did D'angelo get from fresh to soph year? Jakarr? Obekpa? Dom?
Why do you assume that Jordan will go from being a good player to BE POY? Or that Obekpa will suddenly be much better than he was last year?
Kids improve incrementally. 9 times out of 10, when a kid has a "breakout season", it's because he suddenly gets a lot more playing time. It's the exception to the rule when someone's skills improve so drastically in such a short period of time.
You could see the jump both him and the team made when he got increased playing time. He averaged 13,3,3 in BE play. Now there is 10+ shots to go around plus the fact that he was already going to be taking more shots. D'lo didnt have a big numbers jump because he was one of six players on the team his freshman year! and only two of them shot. Is it that hard to believe that Rysheed will take the next step from 13,3,3 to 15,5,5? If you have one guard who does that and another who gets you 17+ you have the makings of a good basketball team.
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You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
No.
I expect Jordan to be good, but truthfully nothing he did last season makes me think he's a contender for BE POY. You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
Fordham and Boo,
How much better did D'angelo get from fresh to soph year? Jakarr? Obekpa? Dom?
Why do you assume that Jordan will go from being a good player to BE POY? Or that Obekpa will suddenly be much better than he was last year?
Kids improve incrementally. 9 times out of 10, when a kid has a "breakout season", it's because he suddenly gets a lot more playing time. It's the exception to the rule when someone's skills improve so drastically in such a short period of time.
JaKarr was significantly better and so was D’lo. I don’t even think it is close.
Obekpa was SO much better offensively second half of this past season until the injury.
Keep in mind guys like D’lo were asked to do too much their freshmen year because of no depth.
Also Rysheed is unique because he faced both a suspension and several missed games because of serious family issues and health. And he is probably the most talented player on the team. Those things were a huge detriment to his development. Don’t anticipate anything like that.
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In addition for the most part , early to mid-season he was almost always in foul trouble.
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Sheed's upside this year is all BE and possibly POY. His improvement last year was dramatic,, particularly considering his personal problems. With his size, quickness, passing ability and improved J his potential this year is incredible. definite PRO, JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE HOW LONG HE STICKS AROUND. Im thinking at this point he will be gone after junior year. Hopefully he doesn't go to early like Jakarr.
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You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
No.
I expect Jordan to be good, but truthfully nothing he did last season makes me think he's a contender for BE POY. You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
Fordham and Boo,
How much better did D'angelo get from fresh to soph year? Jakarr? Obekpa? Dom?
Why do you assume that Jordan will go from being a good player to BE POY? Or that Obekpa will suddenly be much better than he was last year?
Kids improve incrementally. 9 times out of 10, when a kid has a "breakout season", it's because he suddenly gets a lot more playing time. It's the exception to the rule when someone's skills improve so drastically in such a short period of time.
JaKarr was significantly better and so was D’lo. I don’t even think it is close.
Obekpa was SO much better offensively second half of this past season until the injury.
Keep in mind guys like D’lo were asked to do too much their freshmen year because of no depth.
Also Rysheed is unique because he faced both a suspension and several missed games because of serious family issues and health. And he is probably the most talented player on the team. Those things were a huge detriment to his development. Don’t anticipate anything like that.
The numbers do not support your assertion that JaKarr was "significantly better" in his sophomore year.
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You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
No.
I expect Jordan to be good, but truthfully nothing he did last season makes me think he's a contender for BE POY. You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
Fordham and Boo,
How much better did D'angelo get from fresh to soph year? Jakarr? Obekpa? Dom?
Why do you assume that Jordan will go from being a good player to BE POY? Or that Obekpa will suddenly be much better than he was last year?
Kids improve incrementally. 9 times out of 10, when a kid has a "breakout season", it's because he suddenly gets a lot more playing time. It's the exception to the rule when someone's skills improve so drastically in such a short period of time.
You could see the jump both him and the team made when he got increased playing time. He averaged 13,3,3 in BE play. Now there is 10+ shots to go around plus the fact that he was already going to be taking more shots. D'lo didnt have a big numbers jump because he was one of six players on the team his freshman year! and only two of them shot. Is it that hard to believe that Rysheed will take the next step from 13,3,3 to 15,5,5? If you have one guard who does that and another who gets you 17+ you have the makings of a good basketball team.
I absolutely think Jordan can be a 15, 5, 5 guy. That's realistic improvement. But how much more efficient is Rysheed than Jakarr/Sanchez?
If he gets 3 more points and 2 more assists, on say 10 extra possessions... how much better are we than if Jakarr or Sanchez shot the ball on those possessions?
D'angelo and Jordan need to be more efficient next season. That is the next step in their development.
But I still say that as fans we make the mistake of thinking that players will significantly improve from season to season. They usually don't.
Opportunity, minutes played, and the number of shots they take changes.
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You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
No.
I expect Jordan to be good, but truthfully nothing he did last season makes me think he's a contender for BE POY. You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
Fordham and Boo,
How much better did D'angelo get from fresh to soph year? Jakarr? Obekpa? Dom?
Why do you assume that Jordan will go from being a good player to BE POY? Or that Obekpa will suddenly be much better than he was last year?
Kids improve incrementally. 9 times out of 10, when a kid has a "breakout season", it's because he suddenly gets a lot more playing time. It's the exception to the rule when someone's skills improve so drastically in such a short period of time.
You could see the jump both him and the team made when he got increased playing time. He averaged 13,3,3 in BE play. Now there is 10+ shots to go around plus the fact that he was already going to be taking more shots. D'lo didnt have a big numbers jump because he was one of six players on the team his freshman year! and only two of them shot. Is it that hard to believe that Rysheed will take the next step from 13,3,3 to 15,5,5? If you have one guard who does that and another who gets you 17+ you have the makings of a good basketball team.
I absolutely think Jordan can be a 15, 5, 5 guy. That's realistic improvement. But how much more efficient is Rysheed than Jakarr/Sanchez?
If he gets 3 more points and 2 more assists, on say 10 extra possessions... how much better are we than if Jakarr or Sanchez shot the ball on those possessions?
D'angelo and Jordan need to be more efficient next season. That is the next step in their development.
But I still say that as fans we make the mistake of thinking that players will significantly improve from season to season. They usually don't.
Opportunity, minutes played, and the number of shots they take changes.
You make good points Desco, its just a matter of opinion I guess. I will say this, a big difference between lets say Jakarr or Sanchez taking a 17 footer and Rysheed taking one is that when the bigs take it there is much smaller chance of getting an offense rebound. Ive always said that an offensive rebound is the equivalent to a steal, taking away a possession from the other team. Were talking 3 maybe 4 more possessions a game that could be generated. Might not seem like much but it is huge.
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You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
No.
I expect Jordan to be good, but truthfully nothing he did last season makes me think he's a contender for BE POY. You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
Fordham and Boo,
How much better did D'angelo get from fresh to soph year? Jakarr? Obekpa? Dom?
Why do you assume that Jordan will go from being a good player to BE POY? Or that Obekpa will suddenly be much better than he was last year?
Kids improve incrementally. 9 times out of 10, when a kid has a "breakout season", it's because he suddenly gets a lot more playing time. It's the exception to the rule when someone's skills improve so drastically in such a short period of time.
You could see the jump both him and the team made when he got increased playing time. He averaged 13,3,3 in BE play. Now there is 10+ shots to go around plus the fact that he was already going to be taking more shots. D'lo didnt have a big numbers jump because he was one of six players on the team his freshman year! and only two of them shot. Is it that hard to believe that Rysheed will take the next step from 13,3,3 to 15,5,5? If you have one guard who does that and another who gets you 17+ you have the makings of a good basketball team.
I absolutely think Jordan can be a 15, 5, 5 guy. That's realistic improvement. But how much more efficient is Rysheed than Jakarr/Sanchez?
If he gets 3 more points and 2 more assists, on say 10 extra possessions... how much better are we than if Jakarr or Sanchez shot the ball on those possessions?
D'angelo and Jordan need to be more efficient next season. That is the next step in their development.
But I still say that as fans we make the mistake of thinking that players will significantly improve from season to season. They usually don't.
Opportunity, minutes played, and the number of shots they take changes.
You make good points Desco, its just a matter of opinion I guess. I will say this, a big difference between lets say Jakarr or Sanchez taking a 17 footer and Rysheed taking one is that when the bigs take it there is much smaller chance of getting an offense rebound. Ive always said that an offensive rebound is the equivalent to a steal, taking away a possession from the other team. Were talking 3 maybe 4 more possessions a game that could be generated. Might not seem like much but it is huge.
Oh I totally agree with you on that Mase. The little things absolutely add up. 1 or 2 more offensive boards, an extra steal, a loose ball, two more made free throws... all of a sudden your 8-10ppg better than you were a year ago. I think that's where we could see the experience pay off. (hopefully)
I also think for some teams those little improvements happen as a result of coaching. Unfortunately I dont think we have the advantage in that department. But if the guys can do the little things just slightly better - it can have a big effect.
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You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
No.
I expect Jordan to be good, but truthfully nothing he did last season makes me think he's a contender for BE POY. You get the leading rebounder in the JUCO ranks, combine him with Delarosa and Pointer/Obepka/Jones up front with an All-League backcourt in Harrison/Jordan with Greene and Branch as bench help and that is plenty of size, speed and depth next year to win. Thomas and Jones will more then make up for Sanchez, JaKarr hurts but Obekpa is not going to average 3-5 points like he did this year and Jordan will exponentially be better.
The exact point I've been trying to make.. Jordan very well may go from an inconsistent, lost-looking frosh to a potential BE POY candidate... Harrison will be Harrison..
Fordham and Boo,
How much better did D'angelo get from fresh to soph year? Jakarr? Obekpa? Dom?
Why do you assume that Jordan will go from being a good player to BE POY? Or that Obekpa will suddenly be much better than he was last year?
Kids improve incrementally. 9 times out of 10, when a kid has a "breakout season", it's because he suddenly gets a lot more playing time. It's the exception to the rule when someone's skills improve so drastically in such a short period of time.
JaKarr was significantly better and so was D’lo. I don’t even think it is close.
Obekpa was SO much better offensively second half of this past season until the injury.
Keep in mind guys like D’lo were asked to do too much their freshmen year because of no depth.
Also Rysheed is unique because he faced both a suspension and several missed games because of serious family issues and health. And he is probably the most talented player on the team. Those things were a huge detriment to his development. Don’t anticipate anything like that.
I don't subscribe to the idea that no one has improved under Lavin, but as much as I appreciate that Jakarr is a good kid, he didn't play within the team concept very often last year. Often he was played playing one type of defense, and the other guys were playing another. I don't have all of the numbers in front of me, but from what I saw, Jakarr didn't improve his all around game, but there were some improvements.
He started going to the basket more often in his soph year, and he became more confident with that 10 footer. It will be damn hard to replace that. By late December, he started to get into more of a groove offensively.
Where he really didn't improve IMO, is in his court awareness, which was probably the worst on the team of the regular rotation players. He didn't rebound as well as a talent like him could have. Some games he'd pull down 15, others, 2 or 3. If you're an NBA forward, you shouldn't be getting out rebounded by low level D1 players, and that happened regularly. Also, he doesn't know his role on the team. He doesn't have the handle, nor does he have the awareness to bring the ball up.
If you look at his freshman to soph season, it's a minor jump. And now, unfortunately for him, he just made a huge one that he's not ready for.
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Back to Keith Thomas - it's 85 degress and partly cloudly in Miami today...Miami's scholarship breakdown is below. They can only have 12 scholarship players due to sanctions. So getting Thomas would put them at 12 if you count in their 2015 commit. I listed their bigs below in parenthesis as 4s or 5s. As you can tell, they desperately need Thmoas for depth (sound familiar?), and probably to start upfront right away.
2011: None
2012: Jekiri, McClellan, Rodriguez, Uceda (4/5)
2013: Lecomte, Reed
2014: Burnett, Newton, Sherman (4), Palmer
2015: A Lawrence Jr.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Westchester CC's Keith Thomas visit to Miami delayed, source says. Didn't make trip hope to have more later. #sjubb
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@AdamZagoria: Can confirm @NYPost_Brazille that WCC F Keith Thomas is not visiting Miami this weekend. Has been to #sjubb and USF, among others
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@NYPost_Brazille: I'm hearing Fordham emerging as a dark horse for Westchester CC's Keith Thomas, along with St. John's, USF and Miami. #sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: I'm hearing Fordham emerging as a dark horse for Westchester CC's Keith Thomas, along with St. John's, USF and Miami. #sjubb
Lovely...
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Ridiculous
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@AdamZagoria: WCC forward Keith Thomas is now considering Loyola-Chicago, St. John's, USF & Fordham, coach Tyrone Mushatt tells @SNYtv
Loyola back in mix?
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Now this would be a big time let down
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Relax;
@NYPost_Brazille: Westchester CC's Keith Thomas down to St. John's, Loyola, South Florida and Fordham, per his coach. Decision in next few days. #sjubb
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Relax;
@NYPost_Brazille: Westchester CC's Keith Thomas down to St. John's, Loyola, South Florida and Fordham, per his coach. Decision in next few days. #sjubb
Got to like our chances plus he will play major minutes
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Relax;
@NYPost_Brazille: Westchester CC's Keith Thomas down to St. John's, Loyola, South Florida and Fordham, per his coach. Decision in next few days. #sjubb
Wouldn't be SJU fans then.
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Jesus Christ
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Jesus Christ
Is he available?
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@NYPost_Brazille: Decision expected Sunday for Westchester CC forward Keith Thomas. #sjubb
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Jesus Christ
Is he available?
Choosing between ST Joes and St Mary's.
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@AdamZagoria: WCC forward Keith Thomas will announce Sunday or Monday, possibly at @SNYtv. Loyola, St. John's, USF, Fordham.
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Jesus Christ
Is he available?
We'll need someone adept at playing on water after our tears flood the arena.
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Jesus Christ
Least it's between Big East and A10...not any MAAC crap...
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Jesus Christ
Least it's between Big East and A10...not any MAAC crap...
Or Bradley or Illinois Chicago
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Jesus Christ
Is he available?
We'll need someone adept at playing on water after our tears flood the arena.
tough to fill an arena with tears when it's only at 1/4 capacity.
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If we lose a recruit to Fordham, I don't think the board will care all that much.
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I still think he's a lock for SJU. That doesn't mean he'll be the double-double machine some of you are envisioning.
But he should be in Queens in the fall.
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I still think he's a lock for SJU. That doesn't mean he'll be the double-double machine some of you are envisioning.
But he should be in Queens in the fall.
Did someone actually say he'll be a double double machine?
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I still think he's a lock for SJU. That doesn't mean he'll be the double-double machine some of you are envisioning.
But he should be in Queens in the fall.
Did someone actually say he'll be a double double machine?
I looked back, and no they didn't. So I take that back.
But in general the recruiting situation looks abysmal.
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I still think he's a lock for SJU. That doesn't mean he'll be the double-double machine some of you are envisioning.
But he should be in Queens in the fall.
Did someone actually say he'll be a double double machine?
I looked back, and no they didn't. So I take that back.
But in general the recruiting situation looks abysmal.
I actually agree with you on this one. I'm not sure this kid is going to have the impact many are hoping for. I was really holding out hope for Cunningham. I hope I'm wrong.
But I honestly think people are getting too caught up with saying we MUST have solid big men who can make up for Jakarr's scoring. Plenty of teams get by with guard heavy scoring and let their big men be role players. Thomas I think can be serviceable. If he gives us 5 and 4 I'd be happy.
Harrison is primed for another big year and it wouldn't shock me if he gets 20ppg. I think Jordan is ready to break out with a year under his belt. Phil to me looks like he started to accept his role as a spot up shooter which is what he should be and all we need him to be. Add a savvy Branch coming off the bench who showed flashes of being a good scorer, and I think we can make up for the lack of impact players in the frontcourt. Although Obekpa is an impact player IMO even if it's not scoring. Jones is the wild card.
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Signing a guy from Westchester CC, who is choosing between SJU, Fordham and Souh Fla, won't catapult this team into the top 75.
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Yes baldi
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I still think he's a lock for SJU. That doesn't mean he'll be the double-double machine some of you are envisioning.
But he should be in Queens in the fall.
Did someone actually say he'll be a double double machine?
I looked back, and no they didn't. So I take that back.
But in general the recruiting situation looks abysmal.
I actually agree with you on this one. I'm not sure this kid is going to have the impact many are hoping for. I was really holding out hope for Cunningham. I hope I'm wrong.
But I honestly think people are getting too caught up with saying we MUST have solid big men who can make up for Jakarr's scoring. Plenty of teams get by with guard heavy scoring and let their big men be role players. Thomas I think can be serviceable. If he gives us 5 and 4 I'd be happy.
Harrison is primed for another big year and it wouldn't shock me if he gets 20ppg. I think Jordan is ready to break out with a year under his belt. Phil to me looks like he started to accept his role as a spot up shooter which is what he should be and all we need him to be. Add a savvy Branch coming off the bench who showed flashes of being a good scorer, and I think we can make up for the lack of impact players in the frontcourt. Although Obekpa is an impact player IMO even if it's not scoring. Jones is the wild card.
He should project to be the starting PF on a team with very pedestrian board men. Who really knows but as a guy who was a very solid JUCO rebounder I'd be very disappointed with 5 and 4. He's got to give us 5-7 and 10 boards. OTOH if Jones beats him out and he's playing backup minutes, I'll take 5 and 5.
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He's got to give us ... 10 boards.
Who was the last SJU player to average 10 rebounds per game? Zendon Hamilton? Before that Berry. Anyone else? Less than ten: Harkless, Shawnelle Scott, Sealy, Glover, Lamont Hamilton, Werdan, Wennington, Shelton Jones, Minlend.
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17 players in all of D1 averaged 10 rpg last year, only 3 from power conferences, Randle and Stokes who both declared for the NBA and Richard Solomon from Cal. That makes it all the more amazing that UNLV had two such players last year, both BE transfers. They must have missed a lot of shots themselves since Birch and Smith average 7.5 off rpg between them.
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My guess: 4.4 points per game, and 5.4 boards. If you're a 10 rebound per game guy, your options extend further than Loyala Chicago, Fordham and USF. If he was really a legitimate solution to replace Jakarr Sampson and Orlando Sanchez, he'd have been on our radar before mid April.
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He's got to give us ... 10 boards.
Who was the last SJU player to average 10 rebounds per game? Zendon Hamilton? Before that Berry. Anyone else? Less than ten: Harkless, Shawnelle Scott, Sealy, Glover, Lamont Hamilton, Werdan, Wennington, Shelton Jones, Minlend.
What all those players did or didn't do has no bearing on what Thomas does this year. It's all speculation but from what I read he came on very strong in the last 6 games of the season. Probably why he wasn't heavily recruited earlier. It's not like he's 6'10" and overpowered his JUCO opponents.
I'm going with late bloomer, playing starter minutes, on a rebounding deficient team, who grabs every board in sight.
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What all those players did or didn't do has no bearing on what Thomas does this year.
What those players did has a bearing on the reasonableness of your projection.
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Thomas was at Fordham on Saturday and again yesterday
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Cue moose "**oomed"
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Yes, Baldi
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Losing Thomas to Fordham would be really damn poor job by our staff considering we are offering plenty of PT right away in the Big East. Hopefully we still land him and Martin. Anybody saying we will e "formidable" is totally off though. I'm hoping for "serviceable". We will likely be one of the most offensively unskilled front courts in he nation regardless of who we add.
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Losing Thomas to Fordham would be really damn poor job by our staff considering we are offering plenty of PT right away in the Big East. Hopefully we still land him and Martin. Anybody saying we will e "formidable" is totally off though. I'm hoping for "serviceable". We will likely be one of the most offensively unskilled front courts in he nation regardless of who we add.
Agree but we would probably have size and some toughness up front and don't forget the preferred walk-on and whoever else we may add.
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Losing Thomas to Fordham would be really damn poor job by our staff considering we are offering plenty of PT right away in the Big East. Hopefully we still land him and Martin. Anybody saying we will e "formidable" is totally off though. I'm hoping for "serviceable". We will likely be one of the most offensively unskilled front courts in he nation regardless of who we add.
Agree but we would probably have size and some toughness up front and don't forget the preferred walk-on and whoever else we may add.
Sam Sealy still on roster?
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Losing Thomas to Fordham would be really damn poor job by our staff considering we are offering plenty of PT right away in the Big East. Hopefully we still land him and Martin. Anybody saying we will e "formidable" is totally off though. I'm hoping for "serviceable". We will likely be one of the most offensively unskilled front courts in he nation regardless of who we add.
Agree but we would probably have size and some toughness up front and don't forget the preferred walk-on and whoever else we may add.
Sam Sealy still on roster?
HaHa I said toughness. Martin looks real good to me obviously based only on his highlight tape.
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Losing Thomas to Fordham would be really damn poor job by our staff considering we are offering plenty of PT right away in the Big East. Hopefully we still land him and Martin. Anybody saying we will e "formidable" is totally off though. I'm hoping for "serviceable". We will likely be one of the most offensively unskilled front courts in he nation regardless of who we add.
Agree but we would probably have size and some toughness up front and don't forget the preferred walk-on and whoever else we may add.
Size and toughness isn't comin unless we land both Thomas and Martin. Right now we have zero toughness on the frontline. We are relying on two jucos to provide that. I don't mind that scenario, but we seem to be teetering on losing two recruits to Bradley and Fordham in the late period which I'm surprised and disappointed by.
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Losing Thomas to Fordham would be really damn poor job by our staff considering we are offering plenty of PT right away in the Big East. Hopefully we still land him and Martin. Anybody saying we will e "formidable" is totally off though. I'm hoping for "serviceable". We will likely be one of the most offensively unskilled front courts in he nation regardless of who we add.
Agree but we would probably have size and some toughness up front and don't forget the preferred walk-on and whoever else we may add.
Size and toughness isn't comin unless we land both Thomas and Martin. Right now we have zero toughness on the frontline. We are relying on two jucos to provide that. I don't mind that scenario, but we seem to be teetering on losing two recruits to Bradley and Fordham in the late period which I'm surprised and disappointed by.
Losing Thomas to Fordham would be really damn poor job by our staff considering we are offering plenty of PT right away in the Big East. Hopefully we still land him and Martin. Anybody saying we will e "formidable" is totally off though. I'm hoping for "serviceable". We will likely be one of the most offensively unskilled front courts in he nation regardless of who we add.
Agree but we would probably have size and some toughness up front and don't forget the preferred walk-on and whoever else we may add.
Size and toughness isn't comin unless we land both Thomas and Martin. Right now we have zero toughness on the frontline. We are relying on two jucos to provide that. I don't mind that scenario, but we seem to be teetering on losing two recruits to Bradley and Fordham in the late period which I'm surprised and disappointed by.
I was speaking on the assumption we land both Martin and Thomas and was referencing your post where you said hopefully we land Thomas and Martin. Please pay closer attention MCN! :)
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The numbers that would be worth examining would be how many guys at a similar juco level in the past 20 or so seasons averaged 15+ rpg, and what those guys did after transferring to D1.
I think if someone has a nose for the ball, the rebound numbers will follow, and if he's got three years of eligibility as is rumored, it wouldn't shock me to see him get 10+ by his third year. Especially with all our misses. I think he grabs between 7 and 8 next season if he's here, since I think he's a lock to start.
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The numbers that would be worth examining would be how many guys at a similar juco level in the past 20 or so seasons averaged 15+ rpg, and what those guys did after transferring to D1.
I think if someone has a nose for the ball, the rebound numbers will follow, and if he's got three years of eligibility as is rumored, it wouldn't shock me to see him get 10+ by his third year. Especially with all our misses. I think he grabs between 7 and 8 next season if he's here, since I think he's a lock to start.
Point was, at the college level, getting 10+ boards a game is rare. It would be a pleasant surprise to say the least. I just want players who want to get whatever is needed done down low.
It's a messed up job, but somebody's gotta do it....I hope Thomas makes it his theme song...lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc2NgotkfWE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc2NgotkfWE)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IEDC52o0nk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IEDC52o0nk)
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I haven't seen anyone mention it anywhere in the thread, but I'm surprised no one questioned what the felony assault charge actually was that got Thomas in trouble.
Turns out, it was for shooting a kid in the leg with a bb gun:
"Yorktown teen faces felony assault charge in BB-gun shooting
Terence Corcoran tcorcora@lohud.com
August 14, 2009 13:33 PM
YORKTOWN - A Yorktown teenager faces a felony assault charge after he shot another person in the leg with a BB gun, police said today.
The victim reported on Wednesday that Keith Thomas, 18, of 200 Hardwood Place, allegedly shot him on Aug. 6 and that he still had the BB in his leg."
The OTHER thing that this newswire raises for me is that Thomas was mentioned as 18 yo at the time of this incident. That currently makes him 23 years old? I guess it doesn't matter as much as a Juco recruit. Maturity wise, it could help out.
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I haven't seen anyone mention it anywhere in the thread, but I'm surprised no one questioned what the felony assault charge actually was that got Thomas in trouble.
Turns out, it was for shooting a kid in the leg with a bb gun:
"Yorktown teen faces felony assault charge in BB-gun shooting
Terence Corcoran tcorcora@lohud.com
August 14, 2009 13:33 PM
YORKTOWN - A Yorktown teenager faces a felony assault charge after he shot another person in the leg with a BB gun, police said today.
The victim reported on Wednesday that Keith Thomas, 18, of 200 Hardwood Place, allegedly shot him on Aug. 6 and that he still had the BB in his leg."
The OTHER thing that this newswire raises for me is that Thomas was mentioned as 18 yo at the time of this incident. That currently makes him 23 years old? I guess it doesn't matter as much as a Juco recruit. Maturity wise, it could help out.
At least he can shoot". ;)
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I haven't seen anyone mention it anywhere in the thread, but I'm surprised no one questioned what the felony assault charge actually was that got Thomas in trouble.
Turns out, it was for shooting a kid in the leg with a bb gun:
"Yorktown teen faces felony assault charge in BB-gun shooting
Terence Corcoran tcorcora@lohud.com
August 14, 2009 13:33 PM
YORKTOWN - A Yorktown teenager faces a felony assault charge after he shot another person in the leg with a BB gun, police said today.
The victim reported on Wednesday that Keith Thomas, 18, of 200 Hardwood Place, allegedly shot him on Aug. 6 and that he still had the BB in his leg."
The OTHER thing that this newswire raises for me is that Thomas was mentioned as 18 yo at the time of this incident. That currently makes him 23 years old? I guess it doesn't matter as much as a Juco recruit. Maturity wise, it could help out.
At least he can shoot". ;)
65% FG didn't come from the ground :2funny: Practice, practice, practice...
What's your take on his age? No problem for schools I guess
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He is a good shot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8wJt59Q6So (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8wJt59Q6So)
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He rebounded well from the shooting
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It is important to understand the angle of the shot
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What all those players did or didn't do has no bearing on what Thomas does this year.
What those players did has a bearing on the reasonableness of your projection.
This is absolutely true. I think circumstances play a big role in this, though. Harkless was not a nine RPG guy on any other team, but he had no choice. Thomas could flirt with ten here because he won't have to worry about any competition from three three position and Obekpa doesn't really go out of his area in the 20-25 minutes he'll be on the floor. I'd venture that ADR won't be much different.
Now if Thomas were playing with Postell, Artest, Bootsie and Grant the safer prediction would be 6-7 boards.
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Now if Thomas were playing with Postell, Artest, Bootsie and Grant the safer prediction would be 6-7 boards.
If Thomas were playing with those 4 he wouldn't see the floor. Unless he's a PG too, in which case 17 points, 12 assists and 6 steals would be satisfactory.
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Regardless of his hypothetical projected stats, we need to land this kid, not lose him to Fordham. We are woefully outmanned at the forward spots. Just landing Martin i don't think is gonna cut it. Hopefully we get some decent news tomorrow despite pecora's recent push.
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Regardless of his hypothetical projected stats, we need to land this kid, not lose him to Fordham. We are woefully outmanned at the forward spots. Just landing Martin i don't think is gonna cut it. Hopefully we get some decent news tomorrow despite pecora's recent push.
Just getting Martin would be a setback for sure. Need Thomas. Hopeful!
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Regardless of his hypothetical projected stats, we need to land this kid, not lose him to Fordham.
Why are posters thinking we may lose him to Fordham? Its a free country, any school can recruit a kid. Just because that is the case doesn't mean were going to lose him to them.
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Regardless of his hypothetical projected stats, we need to land this kid, not lose him to Fordham.
Why are posters thinking we may lose him to Fordham? Its a free country, any school can recruit a kid. Just because that is the case doesn't mean were going to lose him to them.
We lost a kid to Bradley. That's not a good sign. Also, we've only added two projects so far, and after next season, we'll be losing at least 4 key players. So, I'd say there's some cause for concern.
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Regardless of his hypothetical projected stats, we need to land this kid, not lose him to Fordham.
Why are posters thinking we may lose him to Fordham? Its a free country, any school can recruit a kid. Just because that is the case doesn't mean were going to lose him to them.
Because there were reports of him a Fordham a few times this week. Braziller even said they were coming on strong. The way we are recruiting lately, it all worries me. That said, the kid has an opportunity to jump right into games against Big Ten teams, Duke etc next year. I'd hope its a no brainer. I believe he decides today, no?
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Announcing today at 3 PM.
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I saw Keith in White Plains on Saturday night and he told me 95% SJU. I got the feeling its SJU, although he wouldn't tell me for certain. We shall see
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St Johns...Done deal...I like the kid..tough, brings a swagger ..will get minutes and fans will like him...he will battle
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nryter55: "@HalstonSports: BREAKING: Former Yorktown basketball player Keith Thomas has committed to St. John's. http://t.co/qCec5hSo5s (http://t.co/qCec5hSo5s)" #SJUBB
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria 1m
Keith Thomas to St. John's via his Facebook
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Good job Baldi...got another one right. yes, Baldi!
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Welcome aboard big man
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St Johns...Done deal...I like the kid..tough, brings a swagger ..will get minutes and fans will like him...he will battle
I'm just asking, but how do you know what kind of player he is? Have you seen him? If so, who would you compare his game too?
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" Great, we beat out Fordham for this kid... let's celebrate" - Baldi's response
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" Great, we beat out Fordham for this kid... let's celebrate" - Baldi's response
Good one.
Forgive my ignorance, but does anyone know if Thomas has one or two years of eligibility?
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I think 2 or 3.
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I think 2 or 3.
2 would be nice. 3 would be awesome. I mixed up Martin's eligibility issues with Thomas'. I think Martin might have only 1 year left, which if true, can't help us with him given our new-found depth at the PF position.
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I think 2 or 3.
2 would be nice. 3 would be awesome. I mixed up Martin's eligibility issues with Thomas'. I think Martin might have only 1 year left, which if true, can't help us with him given our new-found depth at the PF position.
We don't have depth at PF. If Thomas is a 4, we now have one guy who plays that position.
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I think 2 or 3.
2 would be nice. 3 would be awesome. I mixed up Martin's eligibility issues with Thomas'. I think Martin might have only 1 year left, which if true, can't help us with him given our new-found depth at the PF position.
We don't have depth at PF. If Thomas is a 4, we now have one guy who plays that position.
Not giving any consideration to C Jones?
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Nice job by coaching staff. Keith Thomas definitely fills a void at PF for the Red Storm.
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I think 2 or 3.
2 would be nice. 3 would be awesome. I mixed up Martin's eligibility issues with Thomas'. I think Martin might have only 1 year left, which if true, can't help us with him given our new-found depth at the PF position.
We don't have depth at PF. If Thomas is a 4, we now have one guy who plays that position.
Not giving any consideration to C Jones?
I'll consider Jones a power forward when he learns to rebound and play defense
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I think 2 or 3.
2 would be nice. 3 would be awesome. I mixed up Martin's eligibility issues with Thomas'. I think Martin might have only 1 year left, which if true, can't help us with him given our new-found depth at the PF position.
We don't have depth at PF. If Thomas is a 4, we now have one guy who plays that position.
Not giving any consideration to C Jones?
I certainly am. But he's not a PF, just because we'd like him to be one.
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welcome aboard Keith
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Nice to see another piece fall into place. Credit to the staff for addressing a need, re rebounding.
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welcome aboard Keith
Welcome aboard big fella. Go get those 10 boards like I said you would
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Good job Baldi...got another one right. yes, Baldi!
Do you get more excited to see "our" team sign a player, or to prove Baldi wrong?
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Welcome Keith!!!
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Great news! Welcome aboard Keith. Cant wait to watch you play.
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Great news! Welcome aboard Keith. Cant wait to watch you play.
Ditto. Still would like Ryan Martin for depth at the 4-5 positions.
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I think 2 or 3.
2 would be nice. 3 would be awesome. I mixed up Martin's eligibility issues with Thomas'. I think Martin might have only 1 year left, which if true, can't help us with him given our new-found depth at the PF position.
We don't have depth at PF. If Thomas is a 4, we now have one guy who plays that position.
Not giving any consideration to C Jones?
I certainly am. But he's not a PF, just because we'd like him to be one.
If Jones is not a 4, then I don't know what he is. I did not see a skill set that would effectively allow him to play at the 3. Either way, Thomas is a big get for us.
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Welcome aboard!
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Happy to land Thomas. Helps put bodies up front. If he can rebound like his numbers indicate, he can help. Now let's land Martin too to really sure-up 4/5 spots a bit more.
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How's Thomas's defense? For those who have seen him play multiple times, how would you grade out his defense?
Because just because he's a good rebounder doesn't mean he necessarily plays good D.
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Let's be careful not to give Lavin too many options in the front court. He will tweak lineups until game 25. By then it will be too late.
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Let's be careful not to give Lavin too many options in the front court. He will tweak lineups until game 25. By then it will be too late.
Won't matter. He has plenty of walkons to work with!
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
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Sign a Player that can really help.
We had a area of need and it has been filled.
Great Job Coach Lavin.
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Welcome to the team Keith.
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
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Wow. Fordham and USF are screwed. How's that boo?
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Nice
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can we trade baldi to redmen.com
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can we trade baldi to redmen.com
We don't want him.
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
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can we trade baldi to redmen.com
We don't want him.
I'm already there
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Plenty of playing time here Keith, unlike the other schools
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
Let's not forget, GG was hyped up even more than Thomas. I'm honestly not expecting Thomas to be all that much better than GG. He will probably get somewhat inflated numbers because of our desperate need for bodies much like Gift did in his first year.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Keith Thomas said he picked St. John's over Loyola (a close second) for two reasons: Relationship with Steve Lavin and opp. to stay home.
@NYPost_Brazille: Keith Thomas: "I play with a lot of aggression. I play strong. I'm just hungry. I play every game like I'm starving." #sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: St. John's bolsters frontcourt with JUCO stud Keith Thomas http://t.co/QiPevKpHRo (http://t.co/QiPevKpHRo) via @nypost #sjubb
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can we trade baldi to redmen.com
We don't want him.
I'm already there
I know Ricky, but you don't really post.
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http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2014/5/5/5684558/st-johns-basketball-recruiting-keith-thomas-commits-st-johns?utm_content=buffera6655&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2014/5/5/5684558/st-johns-basketball-recruiting-keith-thomas-commits-st-johns?utm_content=buffera6655&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
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"NYPost_Brazille This was by far my favorite Keith Thomas quote: "Why go from New York to a little New York? This is where I got to eat." #sjubb"
I like this guy already.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Keith Thomas said he picked St. John's over Loyola (a close second) for two reasons: Relationship with Steve Lavin and opp. to stay home.
@NYPost_Brazille: Keith Thomas: "I play with a lot of aggression. I play strong. I'm just hungry. I play every game like I'm starving." #sjubb
should have gone to uconn
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can we trade baldi to redmen.com
We don't want him.
I'm already there
I know Ricky, but you don't really post.
Ya site lacking
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
On some level he was. Gift played at a DivII JC... That's way different than Division I JC...which is way different than Division I college ball. This guy is a beast who apparently wants to learn. I'm glad he's aboard.
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He seems to have the attitude that this team needs regarding rebounding.. Hopefully it rubs off on his teammates as well..
Sorry I stole your line, Baldi.....your comeback was sorely lacking....
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
On some level he was. Gift played at a DivII JC... That's way different than Division I JC...which is way different than Division I college ball. This guy is a beast who apparently wants to learn. I'm glad he's aboard.
Oh, i am glad he's here, too. I'm just not expecting a double double. If he's 7 and 10, he's the beast they say he is. I expect more like 4.5 and 5.5.
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
On some level he was. Gift played at a DivII JC... That's way different than Division I JC...which is way different than Division I college ball. This guy is a beast who apparently wants to learn. I'm glad he's aboard.
Oh, i am glad he's here, too. I'm just not expecting a double double. If he's 7 and 10, he's the beast they say he is. I expect more like 4.5 and 5.5.
If he is godsgift with a little hand-eye and average bball IQ, he will be a solid contributor. Not every incoming recruit needs to be a program changer
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
On some level he was. Gift played at a DivII JC... That's way different than Division I JC...which is way different than Division I college ball. This guy is a beast who apparently wants to learn. I'm glad he's aboard.
Oh, i am glad he's here, too. I'm just not expecting a double double. If he's 7 and 10, he's the beast they say he is. I expect more like 4.5 and 5.5.
If he is godsgift with a little hand-eye and average bball IQ, he will be a solid contributor. Not every incoming recruit needs to be a program changer
Mount Vernon kids are usually well schooled & tough. Know he graduated from Yorktown, but he earned his stripes in MV school yards.
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@NYPost_Brazille: College coach who recruited Keith Thomas: "He's a Hispanic DeJuan Blair." The college version, not NBA. #sjubb
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I'd rather have a kid that averaged 15 rpg in JC than one that averaged 15-20 in HS...much better comp
I think that goes without saying.
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
On some level he was. Gift played at a DivII JC... That's way different than Division I JC...which is way different than Division I college ball. This guy is a beast who apparently wants to learn. I'm glad he's aboard.
Oh, i am glad he's here, too. I'm just not expecting a double double. If he's 7 and 10, he's the beast they say he is. I expect more like 4.5 and 5.5.
If he is godsgift with a little hand-eye and average bball IQ, he will be a solid contributor. Not every incoming recruit needs to be a program changer
Um here and now he needs to be big time contributor
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Harsh words on Fôrdham sites
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Fordham has sites?
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
On some level he was. Gift played at a DivII JC... That's way different than Division I JC...which is way different than Division I college ball. This guy is a beast who apparently wants to learn. I'm glad he's aboard.
Oh, i am glad he's here, too. I'm just not expecting a double double. If he's 7 and 10, he's the beast they say he is. I expect more like 4.5 and 5.5.
If he is godsgift with a little hand-eye and average bball IQ, he will be a solid contributor. Not every incoming recruit needs to be a program changer
Mount Vernon kids are usually well schooled & tough. Know he graduated from Yorktown, but he earned his stripes in MV school yards.
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I'm with you and Poison. 4.5 and 5.5 are reasonable. This Rodman, Jayson Williams, Blair stuff is not reasonable.
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
On some level he was. Gift played at a DivII JC... That's way different than Division I JC...which is way different than Division I college ball. This guy is a beast who apparently wants to learn. I'm glad he's aboard.
Oh, i am glad he's here, too. I'm just not expecting a double double. If he's 7 and 10, he's the beast they say he is. I expect more like 4.5 and 5.5.
If he is godsgift with a little hand-eye and average bball IQ, he will be a solid contributor. Not every incoming recruit needs to be a program changer
Mount Vernon kids are usually well schooled & tough. Know he graduated from Yorktown, but he earned his stripes in MV school yards.
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I'm with you and Poison. 4.5 and 5.5 are reasonable. This Rodman, Jayson Williams, Blair stuff is not reasonable.
Certainly those comparisons are silly. The numbers noted may be closer to the mark than not.
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They can talk all they want. SJU has a lot of PT to offer Thomas, a better schedule and excellent backcourt which can help the teams chances of success. It's a good fit for Thomas right now. If we were loaded up front it might not be. We aren't.
I'd also like to see some of this purported aggressive rebounding and work ethic rub off on Delarosa. He needs to get some more fine under him.
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
On some level he was. Gift played at a DivII JC... That's way different than Division I JC...which is way different than Division I college ball. This guy is a beast who apparently wants to learn. I'm glad he's aboard.
Oh, i am glad he's here, too. I'm just not expecting a double double. If he's 7 and 10, he's the beast they say he is. I expect more like 4.5 and 5.5.
If he is godsgift with a little hand-eye and average bball IQ, he will be a solid contributor. Not every incoming recruit needs to be a program changer
Mount Vernon kids are usually well schooled & tough. Know he graduated from Yorktown, but he earned his stripes in MV school yards.
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I'm with you and Poison. 4.5 and 5.5 are reasonable. This Rodman, Jayson Williams, Blair stuff is not reasonable.
If he can give us Ron Roberts production up front I'll be very happy.
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Harsh words on Fôrdham sites
They can talk all they want. SJU has a lot of PT to offer Thomas, a better schedule and excellent backcourt which can help the teams chances of success. It's a good fit for Thomas right now. If we were loaded up front it might not be. We aren't.
I'd also like to see some of this purported aggressive rebounding and work ethic rub off on Delarosa. He needs to get some more fine under him.
Agreed. Best opportunity here.
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Harsh words on Fôrdham sites
They can talk all they want. SJU has a lot of PT to offer Thomas, a better schedule and excellent backcourt which can help the teams chances of success. It's a good fit for Thomas right now. If we were loaded up front it might not be. We aren't.
I'd also like to see some of this purported aggressive rebounding and work ethic rub off on Delarosa. He needs to get some more fine under him.
Agreed. Best opportunity here.
Where's here?
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Harsh words on Fôrdham sites
They can talk all they want. SJU has a lot of PT to offer Thomas, a better schedule and excellent backcourt which can help the teams chances of success. It's a good fit for Thomas right now. If we were loaded up front it might not be. We aren't.
I'd also like to see some of this purported aggressive rebounding and work ethic rub off on Delarosa. He needs to get some more fine under him.
Agreed. Best opportunity here.
Where's here?
In the NIT
One a rear of a donkey post deserves another.
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Harsh words on Fôrdham sites
They can talk all they want. SJU has a lot of PT to offer Thomas, a better schedule and excellent backcourt which can help the teams chances of success. It's a good fit for Thomas right now. If we were loaded up front it might not be. We aren't.
I'd also like to see some of this purported aggressive rebounding and work ethic rub off on Delarosa. He needs to get some more fine under him.
Agreed. Best opportunity here.
Where's here?
In the NIT
One a rear of a donkey post deserves another.
So you still haven't answered the question.
OK.
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
On some level he was. Gift played at a DivII JC... That's way different than Division I JC...which is way different than Division I college ball. This guy is a beast who apparently wants to learn. I'm glad he's aboard.
Oh, i am glad he's here, too. I'm just not expecting a double double. If he's 7 and 10, he's the beast they say he is. I expect more like 4.5 and 5.5.
If he is godsgift with a little hand-eye and average bball IQ, he will be a solid contributor. Not every incoming recruit needs to be a program changer
Mount Vernon kids are usually well schooled & tough. Know he graduated from Yorktown, but he earned his stripes in MV school yards.
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I'm with you and Poison. 4.5 and 5.5 are reasonable. This Rodman, Jayson Williams, Blair stuff is not reasonable.
If he can give us Ron Roberts production up front I'll be very happy.
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Harsh words on Fôrdham sites
They can talk all they want. SJU has a lot of PT to offer Thomas, a better schedule and excellent backcourt which can help the teams chances of success. It's a good fit for Thomas right now. If we were loaded up front it might not be. We aren't.
I'd also like to see some of this purported aggressive rebounding and work ethic rub off on Delarosa. He needs to get some more fine under him.
Agreed. Best opportunity here.
Where's here?
In the NIT
One a rear of a donkey post deserves another.
So you still haven't answered the question.
OK.
What question? Where here is?
Another great fan who wrote the book.
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
On some level he was. Gift played at a DivII JC... That's way different than Division I JC...which is way different than Division I college ball. This guy is a beast who apparently wants to learn. I'm glad he's aboard.
Oh, i am glad he's here, too. I'm just not expecting a double double. If he's 7 and 10, he's the beast they say he is. I expect more like 4.5 and 5.5.
If he is godsgift with a little hand-eye and average bball IQ, he will be a solid contributor. Not every incoming recruit needs to be a program changer
Mount Vernon kids are usually well schooled & tough. Know he graduated from Yorktown, but he earned his stripes in MV school yards.
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I'm with you and Poison. 4.5 and 5.5 are reasonable. This Rodman, Jayson Williams, Blair stuff is not reasonable.
If he can give us Ron Roberts production up front I'll be very happy.
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Harsh words on Fôrdham sites
They can talk all they want. SJU has a lot of PT to offer Thomas, a better schedule and excellent backcourt which can help the teams chances of success. It's a good fit for Thomas right now. If we were loaded up front it might not be. We aren't.
I'd also like to see some of this purported aggressive rebounding and work ethic rub off on Delarosa. He needs to get some more fine under him.
Agreed. Best opportunity here.
Where's here?
In the NIT
One a rear of a donkey post deserves another.
So you still haven't answered the question.
OK.
What question? Where here is?
Another great fan who wrote the book.
The bell tolls for thee Grosebar!!!
Going...Going...Going...Going....
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@NYPost_Brazille: Keith Thomas said he picked St. John's over Loyola (a close second) for two reasons: Relationship with Steve Lavin and opp. to stay home.
@NYPost_Brazille: Keith Thomas: "I play with a lot of aggression. I play strong. I'm just hungry. I play every game like I'm starving." #sjubb
A lot of our guys last year played like they were starving.
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Sampson avg 6reb a game last season, good for 7th in the Big East.
No one in the conference averaged more than 9.
So even assuming Thomas could lead the conference in rebounding, we're looking at a 3 reb improvement over Sampson.
I don't see how that offsets Sampson's offense. Not to mention Sanchez's.
I think we're going to be in a deep hole offensively. Hopefully Thomas can surprise us, with that area of his game.
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thinking Thomas will be 7-7 at a minimum. Aggressive style, additional maturity, strength and experience should lead to immediate impact. I love getting the older guys, see Laranaga/
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Sampson avg 6reb a game last season, good for 7th in the Big East.
No one in the conference averaged more than 9.
So even assuming Thomas could lead the conference in rebounding, we're looking at a 3 reb improvement over Sampson.
I don't see how that offsets Sampson's offense. Not to mention Sanchez's.
I think we're going to be in a deep hole offensively. Hopefully Thomas can surprise us, with that area of his game.
Id be surprised if he averaged 9. But that 3 more is not just 3 for us, its -3 for them. 6 rebound differential if you think about it. Huge.
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Sampson avg 6reb a game last season, good for 7th in the Big East.
No one in the conference averaged more than 9.
So even assuming Thomas could lead the conference in rebounding, we're looking at a 3 reb improvement over Sampson.
I don't see how that offsets Sampson's offense. Not to mention Sanchez's.
I think we're going to be in a deep hole offensively. Hopefully Thomas can surprise us, with that area of his game.
Id be surprised if he averaged 9. But that 3 more is not just 3 for us, its -3 for them. 6 rebound differential if you think about it. Huge.
That's true, but it probably also means 1 less block a game too.
And how many less baskets? It's obviously not real clear, but I just think people don't appreciate what Jakarr did. He wasn't nearly as inept of a rebounder and defender as some people are making him out to be.
And I'm glad we got Thomas. We needed him.
But he's not the missing piece. Our struggles were with offensive efficiency.
And to the extent that he can put back a basket or two, he'll help.
But otherwise I think he's just one more player that doesn't need attention on offense. And with Obekpa and Dom, we already have too many of those.
We need a few guys like Brownlee and Paris their senior years. Guys who can score a little bit, but don't need to dominate the ball to do it. Guys who can finish on the break, score inside a bit, hit a jumper if given space, and make free throws at a decent clip.
Dom, Phil, Jones need to be those guys, but I don't have a lot of faith that they will be.
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Major problem at this point will be finding someone who can be creative in the paint and draw defenders to them. Our guards are going to be played very tight on D as you dont have to worry about anyone up front scoring.
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Sampson avg 6reb a game last season, good for 7th in the Big East.
No one in the conference averaged more than 9.
So even assuming Thomas could lead the conference in rebounding, we're looking at a 3 reb improvement over Sampson.
I don't see how that offsets Sampson's offense. Not to mention Sanchez's.
I think we're going to be in a deep hole offensively. Hopefully Thomas can surprise us, with that area of his game.
Agree desco. Next year isn't going to be our year. No offense up front. Lavin is setting up for 15' but we won't have our frontcourt primed for the big time next year. Thomas seems like a good addition but we will be playing big time schedule.
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Major problem at this point will be finding someone who can be creative in the paint and draw defenders to them. Our guards are going to be played very tight on D as you dont have to worry about anyone up front scoring.
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Sampson avg 6reb a game last season, good for 7th in the Big East.
No one in the conference averaged more than 9.
So even assuming Thomas could lead the conference in rebounding, we're looking at a 3 reb improvement over Sampson.
I don't see how that offsets Sampson's offense. Not to mention Sanchez's.
I think we're going to be in a deep hole offensively. Hopefully Thomas can surprise us, with that area of his game.
Agree desco. Next year isn't going to be our year. No offense up front. Lavin is setting up for 15' but we won't have our frontcourt primed for the big time next year. Thomas seems like a good addition but we will be playing big time schedule.
Maybe they'll surprise us. And who knows, maybe there's a transfer still out there who can stretch the floor for us.
But as mad as I get at Lavin, he has had some bad luck. We're a much more dangerous offensive team if Sampson returns, or Tiny doesn't weasel his way into a job.
Either way I'm happy to have a guy like Thomas. Don't want to sound like sour grapes.
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Last 4 or 5 posts spot on. Good job. :)
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I think 2 or 3.
2 would be nice. 3 would be awesome. I mixed up Martin's eligibility issues with Thomas'. I think Martin might have only 1 year left, which if true, can't help us with him given our new-found depth at the PF position.
We don't have depth at PF. If Thomas is a 4, we now have one guy who plays that position.
Not giving any consideration to C Jones?
I'll consider Jones a power forward when he learns to rebound and play defense
Nobody kill Jones more than me, but his defense wasn't a problem. He doesn't budge in the post. His problem. was rebounding. I am not sure what to expect out of him, but I think Thomas is a quality 25-minute guy. At the very least Pointer can pickup the rest if Jones is a complete bust, but I don't think it will be that bad. He was slightly ahead of GG on the depth chart going into this season based on minutes they received in Europe.
Welcome aboard, Keith.
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Major problem at this point will be finding someone who can be creative in the paint and draw defenders to them. Our guards are going to be played very tight on D as you dont have to worry about anyone up front scoring.
I think we'll see better ball movement with Obekpa and Thomas in the game. Sampson and Sanchez were very poor screeners and spent too much time floating and playing on the perimeter. Teams will learn quickly that they can't be as aggressive on defense or they will risk leaving the glass open for Okekpa and Thomas. Basically, if you leave Thomas to help...you've lost the rebound. That wasn't the case last season. If we can get a wing flying in there as well...that would just be back-breaking to the opponent. Thomas looks like an efficient scorer when he does get it and Obekpa showed flashes at the end of last season. We don't need Olajuwon.
Sampson and Sanchez were two of the more predictable players in the league last season....Sampson especially.
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thinking Thomas will be 7-7 at a minimum. Aggressive style, additional maturity, strength and experience should lead to immediate impact. I love getting the older guys, see Laranaga/
How do we know any of this? He's mature? How do we know that?
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I think 2 or 3.
2 would be nice. 3 would be awesome. I mixed up Martin's eligibility issues with Thomas'. I think Martin might have only 1 year left, which if true, can't help us with him given our new-found depth at the PF position.
We don't have depth at PF. If Thomas is a 4, we now have one guy who plays that position.
Not giving any consideration to C Jones?
I'll consider Jones a power forward when he learns to rebound and play defense
Nobody kill Jones more than me, but his defense wasn't a problem. He doesn't budge in the post. His problem. was rebounding. I am not sure what to expect out of him, but I think Thomas is a quality 25-minute guy. At the very least Pointer can pickup the rest if Jones is a complete bust, but I don't think it will be that bad. He was slightly ahead of GG on the depth chart going into this season based on minutes they received in Europe.
Welcome aboard, Keith.
Jones doesn't budge from the post? He doesn't budge from the bench ;)
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Sampson avg 6reb a game last season, good for 7th in the Big East.
No one in the conference averaged more than 9.
So even assuming Thomas could lead the conference in rebounding, we're looking at a 3 reb improvement over Sampson.
I don't see how that offsets Sampson's offense. Not to mention Sanchez's.
I think we're going to be in a deep hole offensively. Hopefully Thomas can surprise us, with that area of his game.
Agree desco. Next year isn't going to be our year. No offense up front. Lavin is setting up for 15' but we won't have our frontcourt primed for the big time next year. Thomas seems like a good addition but we will be playing big time schedule.
How can you say that next year isn't going to be our year? Lavin will have 2 pre season all BE players in Jordan and Harrison, and probably a 3rd on the all defensive team, and possibly 3rd team. Sorry, but losing Jakarr doesn't kill anything. For all the good he did, he caused just as many problems.
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Sampson avg 6reb a game last season, good for 7th in the Big East.
No one in the conference averaged more than 9.
So even assuming Thomas could lead the conference in rebounding, we're looking at a 3 reb improvement over Sampson.
I don't see how that offsets Sampson's offense. Not to mention Sanchez's.
I think we're going to be in a deep hole offensively. Hopefully Thomas can surprise us, with that area of his game.
Id be surprised if he averaged 9. But that 3 more is not just 3 for us, its -3 for them. 6 rebound differential if you think about it. Huge.
That's true, but it probably also means 1 less block a game too.
And how many less baskets? It's obviously not real clear, but I just think people don't appreciate what Jakarr did. He wasn't nearly as inept of a rebounder and defender as some people are making him out to be.
And I'm glad we got Thomas. We needed him.
But he's not the missing piece. Our struggles were with offensive efficiency.
And to the extent that he can put back a basket or two, he'll help.
But otherwise I think he's just one more player that doesn't need attention on offense. And with Obekpa and Dom, we already have too many of those.
We need a few guys like Brownlee and Paris their senior years. Guys who can score a little bit, but don't need to dominate the ball to do it. Guys who can finish on the break, score inside a bit, hit a jumper if given space, and make free throws at a decent clip.
Dom, Phil, Jones need to be those guys, but I don't have a lot of faith that they will be.
Aside from the Creighton game where Jakarr really played fantastic defense on the nations best player, I think Jakarr was every bit as bad a defender as many gave him credit for. Showed no interest, lost his man, never helped, lazy really.
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Sampson avg 6reb a game last season, good for 7th in the Big East.
No one in the conference averaged more than 9.
So even assuming Thomas could lead the conference in rebounding, we're looking at a 3 reb improvement over Sampson.
I don't see how that offsets Sampson's offense. Not to mention Sanchez's.
I think we're going to be in a deep hole offensively. Hopefully Thomas can surprise us, with that area of his game.
Agree desco. Next year isn't going to be our year. No offense up front. Lavin is setting up for 15' but we won't have our frontcourt primed for the big time next year. Thomas seems like a good addition but we will be playing big time schedule.
How can you say that next year isn't going to be our year? Lavin will have 2 pre season all BE players in Jordan and Harrison, and probably a 3rd on the all defensive team, and possibly 3rd team. Sorry, but losing Jakarr doesn't kill anything. For all the good he did, he caused just as many problems.
Agree poison, its ridiculous at this point to say that next year isnt our year.
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Sampson avg 6reb a game last season, good for 7th in the Big East.
No one in the conference averaged more than 9.
So even assuming Thomas could lead the conference in rebounding, we're looking at a 3 reb improvement over Sampson.
I don't see how that offsets Sampson's offense. Not to mention Sanchez's.
I think we're going to be in a deep hole offensively. Hopefully Thomas can surprise us, with that area of his game.
Agree desco. Next year isn't going to be our year. No offense up front. Lavin is setting up for 15' but we won't have our frontcourt primed for the big time next year. Thomas seems like a good addition but we will be playing big time schedule.
How can you say that next year isn't going to be our year? Lavin will have 2 pre season all BE players in Jordan and Harrison, and probably a 3rd on the all defensive team, and possibly 3rd team. Sorry, but losing Jakarr doesn't kill anything. For all the good he did, he caused just as many problems.
Agree poison, its ridiculous at this point to say that next year isnt our year.
I still think we are absent of any offense up front which will kill us which is why I say that. Losing Sanchez and Sampson was a huge hit to our offense up front, and we weren't the best scorers up front to begin with. Both Sampson and Sanchez are being undervalued here. Both had scoring ability far beyond what we have replaced them with.
I know our guards are good. Up front we are going to have a big problem i think, unless we get some significant scoring out of Thomas and Jones which I can't see. Teams will zone us to death with little offense up front and little perimeter scoring. I hope I'm writing, but I can't see us competing with the better front courts.
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Really don't know anything about Thomas other than he's supposed to be aggressive on the boards. If he's a one trick pony it will be a struggle to have him and Obekpa on the floor at the same time.
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Really don't know anything about Thomas other than he's supposed to be aggressive on the boards. If he's a one trick pony it will be a struggle to have him and Obekpa on the floor at the same time.
Add pointer to that no offense mix up front. Imo we are still in big trouble offensively up front. Even Sanchez was light years better than any offensive option we have in our front court entering next season unless Thomas really surprises. I'm very concerned about it.
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Really don't know anything about Thomas other than he's supposed to be aggressive on the boards. If he's a one trick pony it will be a struggle to have him and Obekpa on the floor at the same time.
Add pointer to that no offense mix up front. Imo we are still in big trouble offensively up front. Even Sanchez was light years better than any offensive option we have in our front court entering next season unless Thomas really surprises. I'm very concerned about it.
If we don't get Martin, I think the combo of Obekpa and Thomas makes a strong case for using the 3 guard lineup of Harrison, Jordan and Branch for the majority of time to offset the loss of front court offense. I'm assuming Jones is not the answer and Dom's stunted growth remains stunted.
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Sampson and Sanchez were two of the more predictable players in the league last season....Sampson especially.
Exactly: you could pencil Sampson in for 12 and 6 every night. Very predictable.
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I will buy in. If his numbers translate to 7 or 8 boards, to go along with any improvement from Obepka, I think we might actually be improved down low. The problem is we have no one that can get us an easy basket down there. A lot of pressure on Harrison and Jordan to score. Still I think we sneak in to tourney. Thought that last season as well though.
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
Except when Gift got here he was 6'6 instead of a beastly 6'8". I notice this kid lost an inch already. He's down to 6'7". He dam well better not shrink anymore !
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Really don't know anything about Thomas other than he's supposed to be aggressive on the boards. If he's a one trick pony it will be a struggle to have him and Obekpa on the floor at the same time.
Add pointer to that no offense mix up front. Imo we are still in big trouble offensively up front. Even Sanchez was light years better than any offensive option we have in our front court entering next season unless Thomas really surprises. I'm very concerned about it.
If we don't get Martin, I think the combo of Obekpa and Thomas makes a strong case for using the 3 guard lineup of Harrison, Jordan and Branch for the majority of time to offset the loss of front court offense. I'm assuming Jones is not the answer and Dom's stunted growth remains stunted.
We need to get Martin just to present more versatility from the frontcourt in terms of scoring. Would like it if either Martin or Jones can fill that role rather then playing a 3 guard offense.
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For those saying next year is 'our year" what exactly does that mean? With the lowered expectations around here I'm guessing you mean an NCAA bid and should mean a win or 2 in the tournament. Don't see it with the currently constituted roster. Those comparing us to UCONN last year as being successful with a guard oriented lineup are forgetting the one key ingredient that UCONN had when they took off later in the season and that is the 20 and 10 they got from Daniels up front. We lack that kind of player or even a poor imitation of that kind of player .I see a repeat of last year and probably NIT at best. If someone CO and Sheed were to return along with other holdovers and we have a monster 15 class. perhaps than we will be able to put on the glass slipper.
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Really don't know anything about Thomas other than he's supposed to be aggressive on the boards. If he's a one trick pony it will be a struggle to have him and Obekpa on the floor at the same time.
Add pointer to that no offense mix up front. Imo we are still in big trouble offensively up front. Even Sanchez was light years better than any offensive option we have in our front court entering next season unless Thomas really surprises. I'm very concerned about it.
If we don't get Martin, I think the combo of Obekpa and Thomas makes a strong case for using the 3 guard lineup of Harrison, Jordan and Branch for the majority of time to offset the loss of front court offense. I'm assuming Jones is not the answer and Dom's stunted growth remains stunted.
I think Dom can be great in an uptempo style small lineup. I wouldn't say his growth has been stunted. His minutes have decreased every year yet his production for the most part has stayed the same. Some would call that being more efficient. I think if Dom was more aggressive at times he'd be better but for whatever reason he doesn't look to score.
On one hand he does a good job of playing to his strengths but I wish he'd strengthen his weaknesses (perimeter shooting).
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Is Keith a better juco player then gift was
I've never seen him, but from what I heard quite a bit. As some have said here, he played in a much more competitive juco league than gift. Has over 30 rebounds in two games this year which is tough no matter how you cut it. Arizona had genuine interest unlike the uk interest referenced with Gift's recruitment. We need a good rebounder up front, regardless. We have been killed on the boards in recent years.
When Gift was being recruited to come here, we read on these boards that he was an absolute beast who would be better than Burrell and Evans.
Except when Gift got here he was 6'6 instead of a beastly 6'8". I notice this kid lost an inch already. He's down to 6'7". He dam well better not shrink anymore !
He needs to be a college version of Jerome "Junk Yard Dog" Williams.
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How many yeArs of eligibility does Thomas have?
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Two or three it's not clear yet and btw yes, Baldi!
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@NYPost_Brazille: Spent my afternoon with Keith Thomas. Profile coming Sunday. Interesting young man. #sjubb
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Really don't know anything about Thomas other than he's supposed to be aggressive on the boards. If he's a one trick pony it will be a struggle to have him and Obekpa on the floor at the same time.
This still says it all. We'll get 40 ppg from the guards but the 30 or so from the front court just isn't there. Teams will take liberties with us and not pay a price. Injuries or foul trouble will kill us more than anyone else. At least Karr was a threat to score. That's gone with the roster we've got.
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yes, Sampson could score but he was weak as an all around player. Our Offensive rebounding can become better if Thomas is as good as advertised and could give us those second chance opps we so desperately have needed over the past few years with Lavin's players. So many times, we were one shot and done, hopefully that all changes this year a little bit.
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Really don't know anything about Thomas other than he's supposed to be aggressive on the boards. If he's a one trick pony it will be a struggle to have him and Obekpa on the floor at the same time.
This still says it all. We'll get 40 ppg from the guards but the 30 or so from the front court just isn't there. Teams will take liberties with us and not pay a price. Injuries or foul trouble will kill us more than anyone else. At least Karr was a threat to score. That's gone with the roster we've got.
Where is Sean Evans when you need him? :) No really, where is Sean these days?
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Really don't know anything about Thomas other than he's supposed to be aggressive on the boards. If he's a one trick pony it will be a struggle to have him and Obekpa on the floor at the same time.
This still says it all. We'll get 40 ppg from the guards but the 30 or so from the front court just isn't there. Teams will take liberties with us and not pay a price. Injuries or foul trouble will kill us more than anyone else. At least Karr was a threat to score. That's gone with the roster we've got.
Where is Sean Evans when you need him? :) No really, where is Sean these days?
Last seen in the Dominican Republic but no longer on that roster:
http://basketball.usbasket.com/team/NCAA/St.John's_University/510?Page=4 (http://basketball.usbasket.com/team/NCAA/St.John's_University/510?Page=4)
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Really don't know anything about Thomas other than he's supposed to be aggressive on the boards. If he's a one trick pony it will be a struggle to have him and Obekpa on the floor at the same time.
This still says it all. We'll get 40 ppg from the guards but the 30 or so from the front court just isn't there. Teams will take liberties with us and not pay a price. Injuries or foul trouble will kill us more than anyone else. At least Karr was a threat to score. That's gone with the roster we've got.
Where is Sean Evans when you need him? :) No really, where is Sean these days?
Bobre's basement
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Really don't know anything about Thomas other than he's supposed to be aggressive on the boards. If he's a one trick pony it will be a struggle to have him and Obekpa on the floor at the same time.
This still says it all. We'll get 40 ppg from the guards but the 30 or so from the front court just isn't there. Teams will take liberties with us and not pay a price. Injuries or foul trouble will kill us more than anyone else. At least Karr was a threat to score. That's gone with the roster we've got.
Where is Sean Evans when you need him? :) No really, where is Sean these days?
Bobre's basement
Classic!!
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Sean puts the lotion in the basket.....
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Impressive resolve and work ethic. Paid his way through school last year while working at a hospital.
Looks like he's tackling life with a positive outlook, should be a welcomed addition. Great story from Zach:
http://nypost.com/2014/05/17/st-johns-recruit-keith-thomas-leaves-stormy-past-behind/ (http://nypost.com/2014/05/17/st-johns-recruit-keith-thomas-leaves-stormy-past-behind/)
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Sean puts the lotion in the basket.....
best.post.ever.
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Really don't know anything about Thomas other than he's supposed to be aggressive on the boards. If he's a one trick pony it will be a struggle to have him and Obekpa on the floor at the same time.
This still says it all. We'll get 40 ppg from the guards but the 30 or so from the front court just isn't there. Teams will take liberties with us and not pay a price. Injuries or foul trouble will kill us more than anyone else. At least Karr was a threat to score. That's gone with the roster we've got.
Where is Sean Evans when you need him? :) No really, where is Sean these days?
Bobre's basement
Of his own free will?
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@JonRothstein: Talked to a college coach this weekend who compared St. John's PF Keith Thomas to former Wichita State big man Carl Hall. Rugged! #SJUBB
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@JonRothstein: Talked to a college coach this weekend who compared St. John's PF Keith Thomas to former Wichita State big man Carl Hall. Rugged! #SJUBB
Carl Hall: 29 minutes / 12 pts / 7 reb / 1 ast / 2 bl / .54 fg / .67 ft
J Sampson: 29 minutes / 13 pts / 6 reb / 1 ast / 1 bl / .50 fg / .57 ft
K Thomas *: 29 minutes / 15 pts / 15 reb / 6 ass / 4 bl / .62 fg / .87 ft
Look like we got a steal
*projected
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@NYPost_Brazille: Non Dominic Artis St. John's news: Told Keith Thomas paperwork almost done, should be official soon. #sjubb
Hopefully, the issue of how many years of eligibility he will have, will be clarified soon.
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@NYPost_Brazille: St. John's has announced it has signed Adonis Delarosa and Keith Thomas. Thomas, IMO, will be key piece to team. #sjubb
It's still not clear if Thomas will be eligible for two or three years.
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http://nypost.com/2014/07/07/st-johns-welcomes-two-big-recruits-to-fold/ (http://nypost.com/2014/07/07/st-johns-welcomes-two-big-recruits-to-fold/)
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@NYPost_Brazille: Talking to college coach for recruiting column and unsolicited starts raving about #sjubb forward Keith Thomas. "They needed him last year"
Marillac in 5,4, 3.....
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@NYPost_Brazille: Talking to college coach for recruiting column and unsolicited starts raving about #sjubb forward Keith Thomas. "They needed him last year"
Marillac in 5,4, 3.....
You already heard from Marillac he was posing as a college coach and was the guy Brazille was talking to.