6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2014 Class => Topic started by: jmattera83 on April 18, 2013, 11:10:32 AM
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@NextUpRecruits: 6'11 C Adonis Delarosa 2014 of Christ The King (NY) has picked up interest from Miami, Memphis, Florida state, St. John's, ND, WFU, & Tenn.
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Uhhhhh
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Uhhhhh
Not a fan Moose? I don't know anything about him..
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Very heavy big with good hands, but a project for sure. Doubt we are considering him.
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Very heavy big with good hands, but a project for sure. Doubt we are considering him.
Very heavy big is something we have not seen with this coaching staff. What does Konchalski say about this kid?
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Very heavy big with good hands, but a project for sure. Doubt we are considering him.
Very heavy big is something we have not seen with this coaching staff. What does Konchalski say about this kid?
Lazy
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Heeeelllllll nnnnnnnooooooo
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Heeeelllllll nnnnnnnooooooo
Six ten, 260? Has he murdered anyone? If not, hell yes. Travion Leonard ate our lunch this year. And probably everyone else's. A big fat dope is exactly what this team needs. Georgetown's offered, Pitt's going to. Sold. I'd rather have Sean Muto II than another wing.
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There are actually big guys who can play.
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There are actually big guys who can play.
PM me when we get one.
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Heeeelllllll nnnnnnnooooooo
Six ten, 260? Has he murdered anyone? If not, hell yes. Travion Leonard ate our lunch this year. And probably everyone else's. A big fat dope is exactly what this team needs. Georgetown's offered, Pitt's going to. Sold. I'd rather have Sean Muto II than another wing.
Travion Leonard?
He had 8 pts and 4 boards.
Canty was the frontcourt player who killed us for Fordham
And Teague on Seton Hall. But DeLa Rosa is nowhere near Teague.
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Heeeelllllll nnnnnnnooooooo
Six ten, 260? Has he murdered anyone? If not, hell yes. Travion Leonard ate our lunch this year. And probably everyone else's. A big fat dope is exactly what this team needs. Georgetown's offered, Pitt's going to. Sold. I'd rather have Sean Muto II than another wing.
Travion Leonard?
He had 8 pts and 4 boards.
Canty was the frontcourt player who killed us for Fordham
And Teague on Seton Hall. But DeLa Rosa is nowhere near Teague.
There's a pretty long list of front court players who had one of their best games of the season against us.
Remember Jefferson from Baylor? (20 pts 14reb)
Canty (15/16)
Teague (22/5)
Lubbick (16/10)
Rudd (18/11)
Yarou dropped 18 in the BE tourny game
I'm not saying I want this guy. I admittedly don't know enough. In general though, I'm a big fan of having one behemoth on the roster, because there are always a handful of matchups where they're needed.
And, if you draw a team with two bigs in the 1st round of the NCAAs you could be shit out of luck if your roster isn't well rounded.
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Heeeelllllll nnnnnnnooooooo
Six ten, 260? Has he murdered anyone? If not, hell yes. Travion Leonard ate our lunch this year. And probably everyone else's. A big fat dope is exactly what this team needs. Georgetown's offered, Pitt's going to. Sold. I'd rather have Sean Muto II than another wing.
Travion Leonard?
He had 8 pts and 4 boards.
Canty was the frontcourt player who killed us for Fordham
And Teague on Seton Hall. But DeLa Rosa is nowhere near Teague.
There's a pretty long list of front court players who had one of their best games of the season against us.
Remember Jefferson from Baylor? (20 pts 14reb)
Canty (15/16)
Teague (22/5)
Lubbick (16/10)
Rudd (18/11)
Yarou dropped 18 in the BE tourny game
I'm not saying I want this guy. I admittedly don't know enough. In general though, I'm a big fan of having one behemoth on the roster, because there are always a handful of matchups where they're needed.
And, if you draw a team with two bigs in the 1st round of the NCAAs you could be shit out of luck if your roster isn't well rounded.
Problem is a behemoth is one thing. Outside of Teague those names you mentioned aren't that. Lubbick was a top recruit. Canty is crafty. Rudd is explosive and plays more outside than in.
I'm all for a space eater. But its not Adonis.
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No, I probably used the wrong word. I think Fun wants the behemoth, aircraft carrier, type kid. I'd be fine with a 7 foot project. Doesn't necessarily have to be wide.
And you're right about some of those guys are just well built power forwards. I'm hoping Sanchez helps with the low post defense, and Obekpa comes back stronger.
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No, I probably used the wrong word. I think Fun wants the behemoth, aircraft carrier, type kid. I'd be fine with a 7 foot project. Doesn't necessarily have to be wide.
And you're right about some of those guys are just well built power forwards. I'm hoping Sanchez helps with the low post defense, and Obekpa comes back stronger.
You want another Coker?
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Heeeelllllll nnnnnnnooooooo
Six ten, 260? Has he murdered anyone? If not, hell yes. Travion Leonard ate our lunch this year. And probably everyone else's. A big fat dope is exactly what this team needs. Georgetown's offered, Pitt's going to. Sold. I'd rather have Sean Muto II than another wing.
Travion Leonard?
He had 8 pts and 4 boards.
Canty was the frontcourt player who killed us for Fordham
And Teague on Seton Hall. But DeLa Rosa is nowhere near Teague.
There's a pretty long list of front court players who had one of their best games of the season against us.
Remember Jefferson from Baylor? (20 pts 14reb)
Canty (15/16)
Teague (22/5)
Lubbick (16/10)
Rudd (18/11)
Yarou dropped 18 in the BE tourny game
I'm not saying I want this guy. I admittedly don't know enough. In general though, I'm a big fan of having one behemoth on the roster, because there are always a handful of matchups where they're needed.
And, if you draw a team with two bigs in the 1st round of the NCAAs you could be shit out of luck if your roster isn't well rounded.
You mean the guy that scored 25 on Texas? 25 on Kansas? 23 on Iowa? 26 on Providence? 21 on Arizona State (they had the #2 shot blocker in D1- 7'0 265 Jordan Baschynnski). :)
Seriously tho, I agree. Absolutely NO reason not to invest your 12th or 13th ride into a project big. Worst case scenario, you get 5 fouls to give off the bench at the center spot for 4 years. Best case, they develop over time and turn into a contributor. Very rarely, they become an integral part of something great.
Center X: 7'0, 255
1992: 3.9 mins, 1.1 pts, 1.1 rebs, 38% FG, 50% FTs.
1993: 9.0 mins, 2.4 pts, 1.7 rebs, 42% FG, 71% FTs.
1994 24.6 mins, 11.1 pts, 7.0 rebs, 52% FG, 76% FTs
1995 23.4 mins, 10.6 pts, 5.4 rebs, 56% FG, 73% FTs
George Zidek. 1995 Anchored the NCAA Championship Team (Shut Down Bryant "Big Country" Reeves of OK State, Travis Knight of UCONN, and Erik Dampier of Miss. State in the tourney title run). 1st round Pick Charlotte Hornets.
Kid was BLASTED for two years by "fans" as an absolute waste of a scholarship.
Sometimes they don't produce at all - but hey - they gave your starters someone to work against in practice. You can't teach "big".
Center Y (a JC Transfer):
7-4, 295 lbs
Jr. 1981, 8.9 mins, 2.1 pts, 2.6 rebs, 46%FG, 29% FT, 2.1 blocks
Sr.1982, 3.9 mins, 1.3 pts, 2.0 rebs, 42% FG, 80% FTs, 1.5 blocks.
Sometimes coaches are just absolutely stupid. THIS guys coach refused to play him because "smaller centers would take advantage of him with their speed and quickness".
At at time when Abdul-Jabbar, Ewing, Hakeem, Ralph Sampson, David Robinson, Artis Gilmore and Robert Parish were in the NBA, THIS guy managed to overcome his college coach's stupidity - to the point of being named 1st or 2nd team All NBA defensive Center 5 times, NBA Defensive Player of the Year Twice, and end his career as the #1 shot blocker in NBA history. Not bad for a 3.9 minute per game, 18 times "DNP-Coaches Decision" his senior year "waste of a scholarship" guy. If any one hasn't guessed, those are Mark Eaton's accomplishments.
Valuable to have, but man - you gotta be smart enuf to USE them when the matchups are right. Eaton's senior "Per 36" in blocked shots, playing all 33 games that year would have been... 457 blocks. I kid you not.
Obviously he wasn't going to get Nearly THAT many (but his JUNIOR year "per 36" at the 34 games that season would have been 288 - and he had ACTUALLY blocked 170 as a JC Soph!). But how in the world does a kid blocking a shot almost every 2 minutes he's on the court get less than 4 minutes a game??
Wow - weird tanget with the meds kicking in....
Back to the original thought. Rice lost their two bigs to transfer last year. 6'8 Arslen Kazemi was arguably Oregon's best player in their NCAA tourney run this year. But Rice also lost 7'1 JUNIOR Omar Oraby, who was immediately eligible at U$C with 2 years eligibility. Oraby only played 14 minutes a game, as USC already HAD a 7'0 starting center in Dwayne Dedmond. In those 14, Oraby put up 7 pts and 4 rebs, and shot 61% from the filed. Doesn't take a math genius to figure a 28 minute Oraby might get you 14/8, and an inside scoring presence (61%???) we were lacking all year. And even if he doesn't earn a starting spot - man that is one club you want to have in your bag when the situation rises (my dad always carried a 3 1/2 wood - never saw him use it on the links. He said a either 3 or a 4 was usually the right choice - but that you never known when the lie is going to make that 3 1/2 the right choice - and it does you no good if it's not in your bag.....
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Man CR and his tangents ;)
I am all for taking risks but I don't know if we are there with scholarship distribution yet.
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Flat out Adonis is not an "Adonis" and not worth considering.
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Flat out Adonis is not an "Adonis" and not worth considering.
There is an irony there, eh?
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Flat out Adonis is not an "Adonis" and not worth considering.
There is an irony there, eh?
Sharp guy Moose.
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Man CR and his tangents ;)
I am all for taking risks but I don't know if we are there with scholarship distribution yet.
Certainly wasn't thinking for this class. But we definately lose Orlando, Gift and Marco after next season. Very likely Jakarr and possibly D'Lo. So at least 4 rides and possibly 5, with a core of Jordan, Green, Branch, Pointer, Balamou, Obekpa, Hooper, and Jones back for 2015. We'll need bigs anyway - if we get an elite big, that would be terrific. But if not, more than willing for Steve to take an end of the bench roster spot flyer on a Ryan Hollins or Mike Fey. In his 9 years as a head coach Steve Lavin has only signed 4 scholarship players over 6'9 - Dan Gadzuric, Jerome Moiso, Ryan Hollins and Mike Fey. Gadzuric and Moiso were elite, early contributors. Hollins and Fey were "sleeper" project guys, who developed over time in the program. All but Fey were NBA players, Fey was a 15/8 guy in the NBDL, with a real nice Euro career.
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Man CR and his tangents ;)
I am all for taking risks but I don't know if we are there with scholarship distribution yet.
Certainly wasn't thinking for this class. But we definately lose Orlando, Gift and Marco after next season. Very likely Jakarr and possibly D'Lo. So at least 4 rides and possibly 5, with a core of Jordan, Green, Branch, Pointer, Balamou, Obekpa, Hooper, and Jones back for 2015. We'll need bigs anyway - if we get an elite big, that would be terrific. But if not, more than willing for Steve to take an end of the bench roster spot flyer on a Ryan Hollins or Mike Fey. In his 9 years as a head coach Steve Lavin has only signed 4 scholarship players over 6'9 - Dan Gadzuric, Jerome Moiso, Ryan Hollins and Mike Fey. Gadzuric and Moiso were elite, early contributors. Hollins and Fey were "sleeper" project guys, who developed over time in the program. All but Fey were NBA players, Fey was a 15/8 guy in the NBDL, with a real nice Euro career.
I was talking to someone else and we agreed '15 would be the time we can start taking a risk again. '14 we have to replace arguably Sanchez and Sampson.
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Heeeelllllll nnnnnnnooooooo
Six ten, 260? Has he murdered anyone? If not, hell yes. Travion Leonard ate our lunch this year. And probably everyone else's. A big fat dope is exactly what this team needs. Georgetown's offered, Pitt's going to. Sold. I'd rather have Sean Muto II than another wing.
Travion Leonard?
He had 8 pts and 4 boards.
Canty was the frontcourt player who killed us for Fordham
And Teague on Seton Hall. But DeLa Rosa is nowhere near Teague.
There's a pretty long list of front court players who had one of their best games of the season against us.
Remember Jefferson from Baylor? (20 pts 14reb)
Canty (15/16)
Teague (22/5)
Lubbick (16/10)
Rudd (18/11)
Yarou dropped 18 in the BE tourny game
I'm not saying I want this guy. I admittedly don't know enough. In general though, I'm a big fan of having one behemoth on the roster, because there are always a handful of matchups where they're needed.
And, if you draw a team with two bigs in the 1st round of the NCAAs you could be shit out of luck if your roster isn't well rounded.
Continuing a long tradition of St. John's allowing oppossing players to have career games against us! ::) :(
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You want another Coker?
By Coker do you mean Dele Coker the 6'10" 4-star recruit? Yes please, I'd love another Dele Coker. As long as he's not tutored by anyone called Quartlebaum or Roberts I'd be fine with it. Q: If this staff can't take a project and turn him into a player, why are they worth all the money they're getting? Q: if this kid is no good how come he's hearing from Georgetown, Pitt and Uconn, three teams with a history of putting big men in the NBA? What do they see that you don't?
Caveat. I've never seen whoever this guy is and never heard of him before this thread. Maybe he's a big fat slob with zero work ethic. But if not <cliche> you can't teach size </cliche> but you can teach footwork. Big men mature late. Assume Sampson and Obekpa leave after next year; Gift and Sanchez are gone: we have nobody bigger than 6'6". That's not's a recipe for success.
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I agree with Foad here. We will be losing a lot of height. I looked at Rivals top 150 for 2014 and there are only 21 players 6'9" or taller.
Not sure that Delarosa is the answer, but it may explain our interest in pursuing a guy like Uchebo for a senior like Gift.
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You want another Coker?
By Coker do you mean Dele Coker the 6'10" 4-star recruit? Yes please, I'd love another Dele Coker. As long as he's not tutored by anyone called Quartlebaum or Roberts I'd be fine with it. Q: If this staff can't take a project and turn him into a player, why are they worth all the money they're getting? Q: if this kid is no good how come he's hearing from Georgetown, Pitt and Uconn, three teams with a history of putting big men in the NBA? What do they see that you don't?
Caveat. I've never seen whoever this guy is and never heard of him before this thread. Maybe he's a big fat slob with zero work ethic. But if not <cliche> you can't teach size </cliche> but you can teach footwork. Big men mature late. Assume Sampson and Obekpa leave after next year; Gift and Sanchez are gone: we have nobody bigger than 6'6". That's not's a recipe for success.
I agree with you. I'm all for another Coker. Adonis will never see 4 stars. Probably won't even see 3 stars.
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I'm picturing a smaller (if 6'10" can be called small) Curtis Johnson.
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I'm picturing a smaller (if 6'10" can be called small) Curtis Johnson.
Well I mean he's better than that :)
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I'm picturing a smaller (if 6'10" can be called small) Curtis Johnson.
Well I mean he's better than that :)
Jasiulonas?
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Stats:
http://ctkhoops.d1scout.com/index.cfm?page=PlayerBio&TeamID=883&SeasonID=1536&ID=20974 (http://ctkhoops.d1scout.com/index.cfm?page=PlayerBio&TeamID=883&SeasonID=1536&ID=20974)
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Stats:
http://ctkhoops.d1scout.com/index.cfm?page=PlayerBio&TeamID=883&SeasonID=1536&ID=20974 (http://ctkhoops.d1scout.com/index.cfm?page=PlayerBio&TeamID=883&SeasonID=1536&ID=20974)
I'm not sure I'd even recruit him to NYU with those numbers.
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Stats:
http://ctkhoops.d1scout.com/index.cfm?page=PlayerBio&TeamID=883&SeasonID=1536&ID=20974 (http://ctkhoops.d1scout.com/index.cfm?page=PlayerBio&TeamID=883&SeasonID=1536&ID=20974)
I'm not sure I'd even recruit him to NYU with those numbers.
Not to mention, 250 lbs. is being kind. That big (girth) at 6'10", he is easily at 300 lbs.
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Foad my brother trust me. Heeeeelllllll NO!!!!!!! If u watched him and reread ur comment u would stand in front of a mirror put chalk in your hand and slap yourself.i agree that the wings and lack of size and skill kills this team, but that don't mean you have to recruit a big body kid that in my opinion isn't that skilled. Gtown can recruit a player like him because they have room for a mistake. St. John's doesn't. I don't want to knock him but right now he is a low to mid major.
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Surprising if true;
“@TheRecruitScoop: Florida State has offered 2014 big man Adonis Delarosa of the New Rens (NY), I'm told.”
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Surprising if true;
“@TheRecruitScoop: Florida State has offered 2014 big man Adonis Delarosa of the New Rens (NY), I'm told.”
They like big men projects. They can afford it to. We still can't based on our ship distribution.
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Florida state has no choice. They probably put all their eggs in one basket for wiggins and is behind the ball right now
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I know we aren't and shouldn't be recruiting him, but thought this was interesting;
New York big still getting bigger
Adonis De La Rosa stood out easily enough at last year’s Reebok Breakout Camp–it was tough to miss the 6-10, 260-pound center. Now it’s even tougher to miss the Christ the King (N.Y.) center, as he recently measured in at 7 feet tall and 280 pounds.
De La Rosa’s size, solid hands and surprising athleticism given his frame have some of the top programs in the country poking around. In addition to last year’s offer from Drexel, he’s added two more in Georgetown and Florida State.
“I’m pending on an offer from Pittsburgh, but I have picked up a lot more interest,” he said. “Miami, Tennessee, Memphis, and a whole bunch of guys like Wake Forest and Kansas State, Kansas, and Minnesota, so it’s been going good so far and I’m just happy right now.”
A good student with a 3.50 GPA, De La Rosa said he’s waiting for his SAT scores before he starts taking his visits.
“At this point I’m really open to everybody, so I’m just weighing my options,” he said. “I just want a school that is great academically and can get me to the next level with a great coach that has produced pros.”
“@jmverlin: First set of notes from yesterday's Villanova team camp. Got stuff on St. Joe's Prep, @PVIHoops' Evan Taylor + more: http://cityofbasketballlove.com/2013/06/villanova-team-camp-notebook-part-1/ (http://cityofbasketballlove.com/2013/06/villanova-team-camp-notebook-part-1/)”
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Stats:
http://ctkhoops.d1scout.com/index.cfm?page=PlayerBio&TeamID=883&SeasonID=1536&ID=20974 (http://ctkhoops.d1scout.com/index.cfm?page=PlayerBio&TeamID=883&SeasonID=1536&ID=20974)
I'm not sure I'd even recruit him to NYU with those numbers.
Not to mention, 250 lbs. is being kind. That big (girth) at 6'10", he is easily at 300 lbs.
SOOOOO....you're saying NOT an Adonis? :D
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The kid runs the court like Cujo. This is not the player we need.
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Adonis reminds me of one of my older players name Brian Williams. He played for Tennessee. When Brian was in Columbus high school in the neon he was over weight and couldn't score. It took him a whole aau summer and a year in prep school to get him in basketball form and then a whole year at Tennessee to see playing time. Adonis could end up like this but I think St. John's need studs right
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Adonis reminds me of one of my older players name Brian Williams. He played for Tennessee. When Brian was in Columbus high school in the neon he was over weight and couldn't score. It took him a whole aau summer and a year in prep school to get him in basketball form and then a whole year at Tennessee to see playing time. Adonis could end up like this but I think St. John's need studs right
Yeah we still aren't there yet where we can take and stash a player and wait for him to hit his stride.
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Nah??
“@TheRecruitScoop: St. John's has offered 2014 New Rens (NY) center Adonis De La Rosa.”
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Nah??
“@TheRecruitScoop: St. John's has offered 2014 New Rens (NY) center Adonis De La Rosa.”
A little surprising, not sure how firm that offer is though
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“@CoachChrisW1LL: Just spoke to my guy 2014 Center Adonis De La Rosa and he informed me of his latest offer from St Johns University. Happy for my young fella”
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I'm floored. Would like to see him this summer and see if there has been improvement.
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1) The staff must see something they like if they offered him. He's certainly a huge kid.
2) if we really did offer him, I bet we'll have 4 ships to give when all is said and done, because Adonis will be a project big guy.
Guess we have to trust the staff on this one. I too am surprised.
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What AAU team does he play with? I think he was once with NY Lightning, but no longer.
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What AAU team does he play with? I think he was once with NY Lightning, but no longer.
Rens. He's a massive kid. Wondering whether he'll be one of those potential project big men tha we can develop as he gets down from the 300lb range to the 240lb range? Like I said, they must see something but as of this past winter, he had a long way to go.
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Why?!?.. We gotta choose a lane. We target the blue clippers then we reach off of a clif. I would give him the benefit of the doubt but even the people close to him say he has very little to no work ethic
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Why?!?.. We gotta choose a lane. We target the blue clippers then we reach off of a clif. I would give him the benefit of the doubt but even the people close to him say he has very little to no work ethic
Enter crgreen. Lavs like big man projects
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Maybe this is a Mike Perez situation?
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Why?!?.. We gotta choose a lane. We target the blue clippers then we reach off of a clif. I would give him the benefit of the doubt but even the people close to him say he has very little to no work ethic
Enter crgreen. Lavs like big man projects
in 2003, Lavs brought in TWO "7 foot" centers - actual measurements were Mike Fey at 6'11 270, and Ryan Hollins, 7'0 210 lbs. Fey was the RANKED kid (#99 in the RSCI), while Hollins was a late bloomer - he'd was only 6'8 at the end of his HS Junior year, and had been only 6'6 as a soph. But neither was technically a "project". Lav's history with bigs (6'10 or bigger), if he brings them in, he expects them to play. Closest thing to a "project" big was an academic project, not a skill on. He tried for a year and a half to get former St. Anthony's big man Josh Moore, farming him out to two JCs. He finally got NCAA qualified, but couldn't pass UCLA's admissions. Ended up at Michigan.
If Lavs really has offered the kid, it's because he thinks he can play.
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An opinion of someone to respect from March;
"It’s hard to tell, but he’s certainly lost weight,” Konchalski said. “The whole key is his conditioning and his ability to play for longer stretches of time and maintain his stamina to get up and down the floor. He has good hands, and he has a good feel for the game. And he’s not a perimeter wannabe; he doesn’t try to do things he can’t do. He plays very much within himself.”
If this offer is verified, like many have said, it is a shock. Wish it had something to do with getting Alkins, but that's a reach. (Only a Soph) Having seen Adonis four times last year, I will trust staff, but am not confident he is committed to working hard to get into and stay in shape. Secondly, how does he fit Lavin's style of play? Cr in 5, 4, 3, 2 ....
All this is moot if the offer is just Internet BS.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/ck-delarosa-big-man-royals-fed-run-article-1.1293317#ixzz2Ypi5RoVl (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/ck-delarosa-big-man-royals-fed-run-article-1.1293317#ixzz2Ypi5RoVl)
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WHAT?!?!?!
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WHAT?!?!?!
Lavs and Foad on the same page. Must be a hell of a book.
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WHAT?!?!?!
Lavs and Foad on the same page. Must be a hell of a book.
This kid is the aircraft carrier in the paint that we haven't had on this team in a long time, and he seems to have solid "big man" skills. We already have a plethora of high flying wings. If he continues to work on his conditioning, I think he could be a great addition.
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WHAT?!?!?!
Lavs and Foad on the same page. Must be a hell of a book.
This kid is the aircraft carrier in the paint that we haven't had on this team in a long time, and he seems to have solid "big man" skills. We already have a plethora of high flying wings. If he continues to work on his conditioning, I think he could be a great addition.
With all due respect, once you see him play, you will say we can do much better IMO. I doubt there really is an offer.
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WHAT?!?!?!
Lavs and Foad on the same page. Must be a hell of a book.
This kid is the aircraft carrier in the paint that we haven't had on this team in a long time, and he seems to have solid "big man" skills. We already have a plethora of high flying wings. If he continues to work on his conditioning, I think he could be a great addition.
With all due respect, once you see him play, you will say we can do much better IMO. I doubt there really is an offer.
Maybe you're right on both counts Paultzman (I haven't see the kid play), but I would still love to see us land someone who won't get pushed around by the bigs from other teams, and this kid's size is not common among the prospects, elite or otherwise.
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WHAT?!?!?!
Lavs and Foad on the same page. Must be a hell of a book.
This kid is the aircraft carrier in the paint that we haven't had on this team in a long time, and he seems to have solid "big man" skills. We already have a plethora of high flying wings. If he continues to work on his conditioning, I think he could be a great addition.
With all due respect, once you see him play, you will say we can do much better IMO. I doubt there really is an offer.
Maybe you're right on both counts Paultzman (I haven't see the kid play), but I would still love to see us land someone who won't get pushed around by the bigs from other teams, and this kid's size is not common among the prospects, elite or otherwise.
Fair point DF.
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Look, I like the lunch lady cause she give me some extra bammy evry day.
Dont mean Im gon marrying her.
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According to MJ Dinkens on Redmen.com he says the staff offered and Lavin feels he is a diamond in the rough and already lost 30 pounds. He also said DLO will be back.
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Have to trust the staffs judgement on this. This is a kid that would sit on the bench and develop for a couple of years and contribute as a upper classmen. With the type of talent Lavin is bringing in, looks like we may have a 1-2 year player in every class. Need those glue guys, that's why I hope Felix and C. Jones stick around. Even if it doesn't pan out I think we are in position to take a flyer on a kid. We are not winning or losing any games because of the players at the end of the bench.
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Have to trust the staffs judgement on this. This is a kid that would sit on the bench and develop for a couple of years and contribute as a upper classmen. With the type of talent Lavin is bringing in, looks like we may have a 1-2 year player in every class. Need those glue guys, that's why I hope Felix and C. Jones stick around. Even if it doesn't pan out I think we are in position to take a flyer on a kid. We are not winning or losing any games because of the players at the end of the bench.
Could begrudgingly live with a gamble, provided Lavs lands two other quality bigs for immediate help.
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Have to trust the staffs judgement on this. This is a kid that would sit on the bench and develop for a couple of years and contribute as a upper classmen. With the type of talent Lavin is bringing in, looks like we may have a 1-2 year player in every class. Need those glue guys, that's why I hope Felix and C. Jones stick around. Even if it doesn't pan out I think we are in position to take a flyer on a kid. We are not winning or losing any games because of the players at the end of the bench.
Could begrudgingly live with a gamble, provided Lavs lands two other quality bigs for immediate help.
Exactly. By all indications were looking at 3 most likely 4 man class in 14 and another 4 man class in 15. Two of the 4 are likely going to need to be bigs in 14. If you add a project as one of those two we are flirting with a thin frontcourt. Sound familiar?
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Have to trust the staffs judgement on this. This is a kid that would sit on the bench and develop for a couple of years and contribute as a upper classmen. With the type of talent Lavin is bringing in, looks like we may have a 1-2 year player in every class. Need those glue guys, that's why I hope Felix and C. Jones stick around. Even if it doesn't pan out I think we are in position to take a flyer on a kid. We are not winning or losing any games because of the players at the end of the bench.
Could begrudgingly live with a gamble, provided Lavs lands two other quality bigs for immediate help.
Exactly. By all indications were looking at 3 most likely 4 man class in 14 and another 4 man class in 15. Two of the 4 are likely going to need to be bigs in 14. If you add a project as one of those two we are flirting with a thin frontcourt. Sound familiar?
Quite.
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Have to trust the staffs judgement on this. This is a kid that would sit on the bench and develop for a couple of years and contribute as a upper classmen. With the type of talent Lavin is bringing in, looks like we may have a 1-2 year player in every class. Need those glue guys, that's why I hope Felix and C. Jones stick around. Even if it doesn't pan out I think we are in position to take a flyer on a kid. We are not winning or losing any games because of the players at the end of the bench.
Could begrudgingly live with a gamble, provided Lavs lands two other quality bigs for immediate help.
Exactly. By all indications were looking at 3 most likely 4 man class in 14 and another 4 man class in 15. Two of the 4 are likely going to need to be bigs in 14. If you add a project as one of those two we are flirting with a thin frontcourt. Sound familiar?
Don't think the staff is looking at him as a project, but someone who will garner minimal minutes with a possible high ceiling if things pan out. If we land another quality big in 14' that will leave us with a four man rotation at the 5/4 spot (Obekpa and CJ). That's IF JS leaves. May not be ideal, but doable. Unfortunately, it may also mean that the staff may not feel good about their chances landing a quality big in 14'.
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Can see this IS-8 game here. Oddly enough, in this game you can see that he actually does have good hands and move well in space. He has a lot of work to do and a lot of weight to lose, but at a kid his size isn't totally unathletic. Josh Smith killed us and couldn't run much better than this kid. If the staff is taking a chance on a kid, at least it is a huge kid with good hands. He needs to drop quite s bit of weight though. He has the right idea where to be on th court though, if that is a mild compliment. I also thought Hibbert and Thabeet looked like total turds as high schoolers and freshmen in college. Who knows?
1 | Mount Vernon High School Vs Christ The King High School | 2012 Nike IS8 Fall Classic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d19sv3MSI1I#ws)
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Can see this IS-8 game here. Oddly enough, in this game you can see that he actually does have good hands and move well in space. He has a lot of work to do and a lot of weight to lose, but at a kid his size isn't totally unathletic. Josh Smith killed us and couldn't run much better than this kid. If the staff is taking a chance on a kid, at least it is a huge kid with good hands. He needs to drop quite s bit of weight though. He has the right idea where to be on th court though, if that is a mild compliment. I also thought Hibbert and Thabeet looked like total turds as high schoolers and freshmen in college. Who knows?
1 | Mount Vernon High School Vs Christ The King High School | 2012 Nike IS8 Fall Classic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d19sv3MSI1I#ws)
Adonis isn't 7 feet though
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Josh Smith was a McD AA and far superior to Adonis. With all due respect that video posted shows little, especially against a Mount Vernon team with no one over six three. Not being argumentative and I realize staff knows more than me. That said, I am no further convinced he has much upside. Been wrong before!
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Josh Smith was a McD AA and far superior to Adonis. With all due respect that video posted shows little, especially against a Mount Vernon team with no one over six three. Not being argumentative and I realize staff knows more than me. That said, I am no further convinced he has much upside. Been wrong before!
Yeah, I'm trying to find an angle as to why we offered. He has good hands. Again, that's why the professionals handle this stuff. They certainly have a better idea than I. I think we have a good shot at plenty others in the class as well.
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Josh Smith was a McD AA and far superior to Adonis. With all due respect that video posted shows little, especially against a Mount Vernon team with no one over six three. Not being argumentative and I realize staff knows more than me. That said, I am no further convinced he has much upside. Been wrong before!
Yeah, I'm trying to find an angle as to why we offered. He has good hands. Again, that's why the professionals handle this stuff. They certainly have a better idea than I. I think we have a good shot at plenty others in the class as well.
It is odd. It could be a favor to someone just to offer him so that other programs get involved. That is not out of the realm of possibilities.
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Josh Smith was a McD AA and far superior to Adonis. With all due respect that video posted shows little, especially against a Mount Vernon team with no one over six three. Not being argumentative and I realize staff knows more than me. That said, I am no further convinced he has much upside. Been wrong before!
Yeah, I'm trying to find an angle as to why we offered. He has good hands. Again, that's why the professionals handle this stuff. They certainly have a better idea than I. I think we have a good shot at plenty others in the class as well.
It is odd. It could be a favor to someone just to offer him so that other programs get involved. That is not out of the realm of possibilities.
That would make sense, IF he didn't already HAVE offers from Stanford, Maryland, Georgetown, Missouri, Notre Dame, Florida State, Providence, SMU, Xavier, VCU, Arkansas.....We're LATE to the "Adonis offer party" - not early.
Perhaps it's a Shaka Smart, Larry Brown, John Thompson III, Mark Turgeon, Frank Haith, Mike Brey, Leonard Hamilton, Ed Cooley, Johnny Dawkins trick to get US interested? :)
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Josh Smith was a McD AA and far superior to Adonis. With all due respect that video posted shows little, especially against a Mount Vernon team with no one over six three. Not being argumentative and I realize staff knows more than me. That said, I am no further convinced he has much upside. Been wrong before!
Yeah, I'm trying to find an angle as to why we offered. He has good hands. Again, that's why the professionals handle this stuff. They certainly have a better idea than I. I think we have a good shot at plenty others in the class as well.
It is odd. It could be a favor to someone just to offer him so that other programs get involved. That is not out of the realm of possibilities.
That would make sense, IF he didn't already HAVE offers from Stanford, Maryland, Georgetown, Missouri, Notre Dame, Florida State, Providence, SMU, Xavier, VCU, Arkansas.....We're LATE to the "Adonis offer party" - not early.
Perhaps it's a Shaka Smart, Larry Brown, John Thompson III, Mark Turgeon, Frank Haith, Mike Brey, Leonard Hamilton, Ed Cooley, Johnny Dawkins trick to get US interested? :)
Do you believe everything you read?
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Josh Smith was a McD AA and far superior to Adonis. With all due respect that video posted shows little, especially against a Mount Vernon team with no one over six three. Not being argumentative and I realize staff knows more than me. That said, I am no further convinced he has much upside. Been wrong before!
Yeah, I'm trying to find an angle as to why we offered. He has good hands. Again, that's why the professionals handle this stuff. They certainly have a better idea than I. I think we have a good shot at plenty others in the class as well.
It is odd. It could be a favor to someone just to offer him so that other programs get involved. That is not out of the realm of possibilities.
That would make sense, IF he didn't already HAVE offers from Stanford, Maryland, Georgetown, Missouri, Notre Dame, Florida State, Providence, SMU, Xavier, VCU, Arkansas.....We're LATE to the "Adonis offer party" - not early.
Perhaps it's a Shaka Smart, Larry Brown, John Thompson III, Mark Turgeon, Frank Haith, Mike Brey, Leonard Hamilton, Ed Cooley, Johnny Dawkins trick to get US interested? :)
Do you believe everything you read?
Not sure what you mean, Moose. At least three sites have reported the VCU, SMU, Maryland, & Standord offers. At least 2 have reported Georgetown, Notre Dame, Providence, Arkansas, Missouri, and Florida Sate offers.
For what it's worth, I never refer to a "kid having an offer" unless I've confirmed the offer from at least 2 reputable (okay, this is college hoops recruiting - let's just say what PASSES for reputable) sources....And, please, I hope no one in the Jungle or at Redmen takes offense - a guy posting on a message board doesn't count as a reputable source - unless he cites HIS sources...
What are you referring to?
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Who's to say that the "offer" isn't contingent on him losing 30 lbs, prepping a year, etc.
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Who's to say that the "offer" isn't contingent on him losing 30 lbs, prepping a year, etc.
I heard the quote offer unquote is contingent upon him learning to spin straw into gold. Who's to say it isn't. Plus he has to bring the newlywed Keadys breakfast in bed twice a month, eggs, hash browns, canadian bacon, rye toast lightly buttered and cranberry juice. Who's to say he doesn't.
Can't believe the million dollar staff has offered a 6'11" player three guys on the internet have dismissed after watching a few utube clips. Offered in quotes obviously, I don't believe everything I read on the internet. In fact, here's a link to an amazing internet article about why you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet:
http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh (http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh)
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Josh Smith was a McD AA and far superior to Adonis. With all due respect that video posted shows little, especially against a Mount Vernon team with no one over six three. Not being argumentative and I realize staff knows more than me. That said, I am no further convinced he has much upside. Been wrong before!
Yeah, I'm trying to find an angle as to why we offered. He has good hands. Again, that's why the professionals handle this stuff. They certainly have a better idea than I. I think we have a good shot at plenty others in the class as well.
It is odd. It could be a favor to someone just to offer him so that other programs get involved. That is not out of the realm of possibilities.
That would make sense, IF he didn't already HAVE offers from Stanford, Maryland, Georgetown, Missouri, Notre Dame, Florida State, Providence, SMU, Xavier, VCU, Arkansas.....We're LATE to the "Adonis offer party" - not early.
Perhaps it's a Shaka Smart, Larry Brown, John Thompson III, Mark Turgeon, Frank Haith, Mike Brey, Leonard Hamilton, Ed Cooley, Johnny Dawkins trick to get US interested? :)
I believe site's often confuse "interest" with "offer". I mean if there were truly hard offers on the table from the programs you listed why hasn't he signed yet? Is he holding out for Kentucky? We are not even talking about a top 100 prospect here and those are some good programs who supposedly "offered".
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Josh Smith was a McD AA and far superior to Adonis. With all due respect that video posted shows little, especially against a Mount Vernon team with no one over six three. Not being argumentative and I realize staff knows more than me. That said, I am no further convinced he has much upside. Been wrong before!
Yeah, I'm trying to find an angle as to why we offered. He has good hands. Again, that's why the professionals handle this stuff. They certainly have a better idea than I. I think we have a good shot at plenty others in the class as well.
It is odd. It could be a favor to someone just to offer him so that other programs get involved. That is not out of the realm of possibilities.
That would make sense, IF he didn't already HAVE offers from Stanford, Maryland, Georgetown, Missouri, Notre Dame, Florida State, Providence, SMU, Xavier, VCU, Arkansas.....We're LATE to the "Adonis offer party" - not early.
Perhaps it's a Shaka Smart, Larry Brown, John Thompson III, Mark Turgeon, Frank Haith, Mike Brey, Leonard Hamilton, Ed Cooley, Johnny Dawkins trick to get US interested? :)
I believe site's often confuse "interest" with "offer". I mean if there were truly hard offers on the table from the programs you listed why hasn't he signed yet? Is he holding out for Kentucky? We are not even talking about a top 100 prospect here and those are some good programs who supposedly "offered".
Well (again), per multiple sites, his early offers (last fall) were from the likes of Drexel, SMU, Hofstra...I would assume back then, he was holding out for better offers. Those started coming last fall, when reportedly Providence and G'town offered. I don't know, I'm guessing G'town backed off when Josh Smith became available and transferred in AFTER the offer was made. The reported offers from Missouri, Maryland, VCU, Arkansas, Stanford & Xavier (5/10/13), Florida State (5/16/13), Notre Dame (5/27/13) were all within the last 8 weeks. Why not commit? Maybe he is holding out for a target school that HASN'T as yet offered (doesn't have be be fricken Kentucky - maybe Iona is his dream!). The reported St Johns offer THIS week would be an indication other schools are getting involved. But given the number of schools reportedly offering in the last 8 weeks, and the time of year, AAU schedules, etc - I doubt there's been time for UNofficial visits, let alone officials. Doubt seriously you make your decision and announcement before those occur.
I don't know why this seems suprising to anyone - it happens this time of year EVERY season. Schools are seeing target bigs signing elsewhere, seeing kids in the program transfer - and now you're facing going into coming seasons with no one over 6'8 and 210 lbs on your roster.
Please note, I'm not remotely discussing whether the kid is good or bad. This discussion is simply who's been reported (by multiple sources) to have offered him (whatever their reasons might be). He11s bells, we almost ended up with Remi Berry in at a similar time of year, and we DID get Christian Jones....
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Please note, I'm not remotely discussing whether the kid is good or bad. This discussion is simply who's been reported (by multiple sources) to have offered him (whatever their reasons might be). He11s bells, we almost ended up with Remi Berry in at a similar time of year, and we DID get Christian Jones....
Didn't Xtian Jones commit the summer after his senior year? Isn't Delarosa class of 2014? Meaning he just finished his junior year. He has a full year of high school to play. It's not surprising to me he hasn't committed, it'd be surprising to me if he had. How many juniors in high school have applied to college by the summer before their senior year and know where they're going? Answer: almost none.
Odd to me that the argument is that Rivals doesn't know what an "offer" is, notice the scare quotes. Rivals rates some kid no one's ever heard of as three stars rather than three and a half and it makes all the difference in the world, but somehow they don't know the difference between an "offer" and interest. Seems to me that the million dollar staff saw a player with enormous upside and figured that they could make him into a player. Three star wings are a dime a dozen. What's so hard to understand.
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I've only seen a few Youtube clips but when a kid can barely run up and down the court without tripping over his own feet, I'm not very excited about us offering him. This kid reminds me more of Curtis Johnson than Josh Smith.
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People on this board have seen him in person and think he's terrible, and his stats last year are terrible.
I'm not doubting that the staff is interested, but I'm not going to criticize anyone who is wondering why they are.
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Maybe they feel they can get him better. I'm not knocking them but damn
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Please note, I'm not remotely discussing whether the kid is good or bad. This discussion is simply who's been reported (by multiple sources) to have offered him (whatever their reasons might be). He11s bells, we almost ended up with Remi Berry in at a similar time of year, and we DID get Christian Jones....
Didn't Xtian Jones commit the summer after his senior year? Isn't Delarosa class of 2014? Meaning he just finished his junior year. He has a full year of high school to play. It's not surprising to me he hasn't committed, it'd be surprising to me if he had. How many juniors in high school have applied to college by the summer before their senior year and know where they're going? Answer: almost none.
Odd to me that the argument is that Rivals doesn't know what an "offer" is, notice the scare quotes. Rivals rates some kid no one's ever heard of as three stars rather than three and a half and it makes all the difference in the world, but somehow they don't know the difference between an "offer" and interest. Seems to me that the million dollar staff saw a player with enormous upside and figured that they could make him into a player. Three star wings are a dime a dozen. What's so hard to understand.
I'm just postulating. I believe if the staff did actually offer then I trust their opinion. However I will say though that we have seen many sites list kids having offers from high level programs but end up at mid-majors. Often times, those "offers" are not solid. We see top ten players commit prior to their senior year all the time, McCullough was one. If anyone has the time to wait a top ten talent does. But if your not, and you have a program like G'town "offering" why not accept? I'm sure there are things to consider, like possibly being recruited over, etc. Then there is the other reason like not being able to accept it cause its not really available. Idk, like I said, just postulating.
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Please note, I'm not remotely discussing whether the kid is good or bad. This discussion is simply who's been reported (by multiple sources) to have offered him (whatever their reasons might be). He11s bells, we almost ended up with Remi Berry in at a similar time of year, and we DID get Christian Jones....
Didn't Xtian Jones commit the summer after his senior year? Isn't Delarosa class of 2014? Meaning he just finished his junior year. He has a full year of high school to play. It's not surprising to me he hasn't committed, it'd be surprising to me if he had. How many juniors in high school have applied to college by the summer before their senior year and know where they're going? Answer: almost none.
Odd to me that the argument is that Rivals doesn't know what an "offer" is, notice the scare quotes. Rivals rates some kid no one's ever heard of as three stars rather than three and a half and it makes all the difference in the world, but somehow they don't know the difference between an "offer" and interest. Seems to me that the million dollar staff saw a player with enormous upside and figured that they could make him into a player. Three star wings are a dime a dozen. What's so hard to understand.
I'm just postulating. I believe if the staff did actually offer then I trust their opinion. However I will say though that we have seen many sites list kids having offers from high level programs but end up at mid-majors. Often times, those "offers" are not solid. We see top ten players commit prior to their senior year all the time, McCullough was one. If anyone has the time to wait a top ten talent does. But if your not, and you have a program like G'town "offering" why not accept? I'm sure there are things to consider, like possibly being recruited over, etc. Then there is the other reason like not being able to accept it cause its not really available. Idk, like I said, just postulating.
There's a fault in your logic. The fact they elect to go mid major DOESN'T mean the Higher D-1 offers were "soft". Simply could mean the high D-1 firmly wanted them as backups to other bigs - while the mid-major was offering a starting spot. It's how an Alex Kirk ends up at New Mexico - I guarantee you his Big 10, Big 12, ACC and Multiple Pac 12 offers weren't "Soft". Or Adjehi Baru ends up at Charleston (10 pts , 8 boards last season) - even with solid offers from North Carolina, Maryland, USC, Miami, and Ohio State - 30+ minutes a game as a starter, versus watching McAdoo or Len or Dedmon or Kadji from the bench....
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Please note, I'm not remotely discussing whether the kid is good or bad. This discussion is simply who's been reported (by multiple sources) to have offered him (whatever their reasons might be). He11s bells, we almost ended up with Remi Berry in at a similar time of year, and we DID get Christian Jones....
Didn't Xtian Jones commit the summer after his senior year? Isn't Delarosa class of 2014? Meaning he just finished his junior year. He has a full year of high school to play. It's not surprising to me he hasn't committed, it'd be surprising to me if he had. How many juniors in high school have applied to college by the summer before their senior year and know where they're going? Answer: almost none.
Odd to me that the argument is that Rivals doesn't know what an "offer" is, notice the scare quotes. Rivals rates some kid no one's ever heard of as three stars rather than three and a half and it makes all the difference in the world, but somehow they don't know the difference between an "offer" and interest. Seems to me that the million dollar staff saw a player with enormous upside and figured that they could make him into a player. Three star wings are a dime a dozen. What's so hard to understand.
I'm just postulating. I believe if the staff did actually offer then I trust their opinion. However I will say though that we have seen many sites list kids having offers from high level programs but end up at mid-majors. Often times, those "offers" are not solid. We see top ten players commit prior to their senior year all the time, McCullough was one. If anyone has the time to wait a top ten talent does. But if your not, and you have a program like G'town "offering" why not accept? I'm sure there are things to consider, like possibly being recruited over, etc. Then there is the other reason like not being able to accept it cause its not really available. Idk, like I said, just postulating.
There's a fault in your logic. The fact they elect to go mid major DOESN'T mean the Higher D-1 offers were "soft". Simply could mean the high D-1 firmly wanted them as backups to other bigs - while the mid-major was offering a starting spot. It's how an Alex Kirk ends up at New Mexico - I guarantee you his Big 10, Big 12, ACC and Multiple Pac 12 offers weren't "Soft". Or Adjehi Baru ends up at Charleston (10 pts , 8 boards last season) - even with solid offers from North Carolina, Maryland, USC, Miami, and Ohio State - 30+ minutes a game as a starter, versus watching McAdoo or Len or Dedmon or Kadji from the bench....
Is it your position then that all reported offers are "solid"? I stated that there were other things to consider, playing time would be one of them. I'm not saying these are not solid offers for the kid. I'm saying its possible they are not. Not sure what the issues are with pointing out other possibilities.
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Please note, I'm not remotely discussing whether the kid is good or bad. This discussion is simply who's been reported (by multiple sources) to have offered him (whatever their reasons might be). He11s bells, we almost ended up with Remi Berry in at a similar time of year, and we DID get Christian Jones....
Didn't Xtian Jones commit the summer after his senior year? Isn't Delarosa class of 2014? Meaning he just finished his junior year. He has a full year of high school to play. It's not surprising to me he hasn't committed, it'd be surprising to me if he had. How many juniors in high school have applied to college by the summer before their senior year and know where they're going? Answer: almost none.
Odd to me that the argument is that Rivals doesn't know what an "offer" is, notice the scare quotes. Rivals rates some kid no one's ever heard of as three stars rather than three and a half and it makes all the difference in the world, but somehow they don't know the difference between an "offer" and interest. Seems to me that the million dollar staff saw a player with enormous upside and figured that they could make him into a player. Three star wings are a dime a dozen. What's so hard to understand.
I'm just postulating. I believe if the staff did actually offer then I trust their opinion. However I will say though that we have seen many sites list kids having offers from high level programs but end up at mid-majors. Often times, those "offers" are not solid. We see top ten players commit prior to their senior year all the time, McCullough was one. If anyone has the time to wait a top ten talent does. But if your not, and you have a program like G'town "offering" why not accept? I'm sure there are things to consider, like possibly being recruited over, etc. Then there is the other reason like not being able to accept it cause its not really available. Idk, like I said, just postulating.
There's a fault in your logic. The fact they elect to go mid major DOESN'T mean the Higher D-1 offers were "soft". Simply could mean the high D-1 firmly wanted them as backups to other bigs - while the mid-major was offering a starting spot. It's how an Alex Kirk ends up at New Mexico - I guarantee you his Big 10, Big 12, ACC and Multiple Pac 12 offers weren't "Soft". Or Adjehi Baru ends up at Charleston (10 pts , 8 boards last season) - even with solid offers from North Carolina, Maryland, USC, Miami, and Ohio State - 30+ minutes a game as a starter, versus watching McAdoo or Len or Dedmon or Kadji from the bench....
Is it your position then that all reported offers are "solid"? I stated that there were other things to consider, playing time would be one of them. I'm not saying these are not solid offers for the kid. I'm saying its possible they are not. Not sure what the issues are with pointing out other possibilities.
Sorry - didn't mean to offend. But you used the term "often times" in describing these "soft offers" and I don't believe that is the case. I believe that when most staffs make offers, they are firm. Nothing worse from a PR standpoint than to have an offer reported, have a kid announce he's accepting, and put the coach in the position of refusing the committment.
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Please note, I'm not remotely discussing whether the kid is good or bad. This discussion is simply who's been reported (by multiple sources) to have offered him (whatever their reasons might be). He11s bells, we almost ended up with Remi Berry in at a similar time of year, and we DID get Christian Jones....
Didn't Xtian Jones commit the summer after his senior year? Isn't Delarosa class of 2014? Meaning he just finished his junior year. He has a full year of high school to play. It's not surprising to me he hasn't committed, it'd be surprising to me if he had. How many juniors in high school have applied to college by the summer before their senior year and know where they're going? Answer: almost none.
Odd to me that the argument is that Rivals doesn't know what an "offer" is, notice the scare quotes. Rivals rates some kid no one's ever heard of as three stars rather than three and a half and it makes all the difference in the world, but somehow they don't know the difference between an "offer" and interest. Seems to me that the million dollar staff saw a player with enormous upside and figured that they could make him into a player. Three star wings are a dime a dozen. What's so hard to understand.
I'm just postulating. I believe if the staff did actually offer then I trust their opinion. However I will say though that we have seen many sites list kids having offers from high level programs but end up at mid-majors. Often times, those "offers" are not solid. We see top ten players commit prior to their senior year all the time, McCullough was one. If anyone has the time to wait a top ten talent does. But if your not, and you have a program like G'town "offering" why not accept? I'm sure there are things to consider, like possibly being recruited over, etc. Then there is the other reason like not being able to accept it cause its not really available. Idk, like I said, just postulating.
There's a fault in your logic. The fact they elect to go mid major DOESN'T mean the Higher D-1 offers were "soft". Simply could mean the high D-1 firmly wanted them as backups to other bigs - while the mid-major was offering a starting spot. It's how an Alex Kirk ends up at New Mexico - I guarantee you his Big 10, Big 12, ACC and Multiple Pac 12 offers weren't "Soft". Or Adjehi Baru ends up at Charleston (10 pts , 8 boards last season) - even with solid offers from North Carolina, Maryland, USC, Miami, and Ohio State - 30+ minutes a game as a starter, versus watching McAdoo or Len or Dedmon or Kadji from the bench....
Is it your position then that all reported offers are "solid"? I stated that there were other things to consider, playing time would be one of them. I'm not saying these are not solid offers for the kid. I'm saying its possible they are not. Not sure what the issues are with pointing out other possibilities.
Sorry - didn't mean to offend. But you used the term "often times" in describing these "soft offers" and I don't believe that is the case. I believe that when most staffs make offers, they are firm. Nothing worse from a PR standpoint than to have an offer reported, have a kid announce he's accepting, and put the coach in the position of refusing the committment.
No offense taken. I was just curious if you felt all offers are in fact solid. A kid is not going to announce he's accepting an offer until he finds out if its still available so there is no PR issue. The reason why I stated most of these offers are soft is because usually a coach doesn't have as many ships to give as offered. Obviously someone's offer isn't solid if the program has only two ships available but has five offers out there. Its contingent upon availability. That's a little bit different than what I was postulating which was there isn't an true offer at all, only reported. But again, I am just postulating. The staff may have very well offered the young man, only to resend it once someone better comes along :)
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I don't find it odd that the staff is interested in someone who might be a project, whom they feel they can make better.
What's interesting is that it's a big man.
In the three previous off seasons our staff was almost completely adverse to recruiting big men. Maybe we'd be mentioned with one or two a year, and they had to be athletic. Most of our bigs were versatile enough that they could even play on the wing at times: Moe, Jakarr, Sanchez etc. We took chances on other guys with lots of upside: Jones, Marco, Felix etc. But never a big. This was wing central.
Its clear to me there has been a change in approach. We're simply talking to far more big men than at any point since Lavin has been here. I get that the upcoming classes are loaded with big men; but even aside from that - there's a clear pattern to start recruiting more size.
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I don't find it odd that the staff is interested in someone who might be a project, whom they feel they can make better.
What's interesting is that it's a big man.
In the three previous off seasons our staff was almost completely adverse to recruiting big men. Maybe we'd be mentioned with one or two a year, and they had to be athletic. Most of our bigs were versatile enough that they could even play on the wing at times: Moe, Jakarr, Sanchez etc. We took chances on other guys with lots of upside: Jones, Marco, Felix etc. But never a big. This was wing central.
Its clear to me there has been a change in approach. We're simply talking to far more big men than at any point since Lavin has been here. I get that the upcoming classes are loaded with big men; but even aside from that - there's a clear pattern to start recruiting more size.
Staff may appreciate we get man handled at times by beefy, tall or strong post players. GT, M'Q. & UCLA, with Josh Smith a few years ago, and perhaps Nova have had legit bigs who gave us trouble. Imo, if you have a couple of nimble, physical big men, you can still employ your athletic wings and guards well.
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It's also not out of the question that the staff is thinking that JaKarr and CO will be the frontcourt beyond next year. Maybe Jones is progressing to the point of getting serious minutes at the 4 in 2014.
I love that we are finally in a position to hedge the current roster with an aircraft carrier project while swinging for homers with McD AAs.
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I agree, Chud. Big difference when you are trying to build a roster versus when you can just fill specific needs.
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Another "scoop" lol
“@AdamZagoria: St. John's, FSU and Fordham have offered 2014 C Adonis Dela Rosa of Christ the King”
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As much as this pains me, anyone?
“@NYCHoops: http://RedStormReport.com (http://RedStormReport.com) - Video: Adonis Dela Rosa talks about St. John's http://shar.es/k7H0O (http://shar.es/k7H0O) #STJBB #SJUBB #BigEast #CollegeHoops”
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As much as this pains me, anyone?
“@NYCHoops: http://RedStormReport.com (http://RedStormReport.com) - Video: Adonis Dela Rosa talks about St. John's http://shar.es/k7H0O (http://shar.es/k7H0O) #STJBB #SJUBB #BigEast #CollegeHoops”
-Painful video to start.
-Misses a few bunnies
-Does hit 2 FT's so there's a positive.
-Then time for a painful Wingate interview where Adonis is sporting the Andrew Bynum haircut.
-Wingate calls him 6'10 and Adonis corrects him and says 7 ft. (Yeah and I have a 30 inch waist)
-He's happy with the offer from SJU
-Mentions a big kid by the name of Chris Obekpa who is 'really good' and the kid 'Sampson' who can both help him with his game if he goes there.
-Knows we lack a big with a back to the basket game and he can bring that he says.
-Says we played 5 on 4 last year because Obekpa wanted to play defense.
-Offer came after the season. They wanted to see him play vs. bigs since there aren't many in CHSAA so they saw him play Ohio Basketball Club. Chiles made offer. Lavin said he 'loves' him and only needed to see 10 minutes of the game to see what he needed to see.
-Lastly he has no favorites.
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As much as this pains me, anyone?
“@NYCHoops: http://RedStormReport.com (http://RedStormReport.com) - Video: Adonis Dela Rosa talks about St. John's http://shar.es/k7H0O (http://shar.es/k7H0O) #STJBB #SJUBB #BigEast #CollegeHoops”
-Painful video to start.
-Misses a few bunnies
-Does hit 2 FT's so there's a positive.
-Then time for a painful Wingate interview where Adonis is sporting the Andrew Bynum haircut.
-Wingate calls him 6'10 and Adonis corrects him and says 7 ft. (Yeah and I have a 30 inch waist)
-He's happy with the offer from SJU
-Mentions a big kid by the name of Chris Obekpa who is 'really good' and the kid 'Sampson' who can both help him with his game if he goes there.
-Knows we lack a big with a back to the basket game and he can bring that he says.
-Says we played 5 on 4 last year because Obekpa wanted to play defense.
-Offer came after the season. They wanted to see him play vs. bigs since there aren't many in CHSAA so they saw him play Ohio Basketball Club. Chiles made offer. Lavin said he 'loves' him and only needed to see 10 minutes of the game to see what he needed to see.
-Lastly he has no favorites.
Thx Moose.
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Not here to pass judgement on his game or be critical of any youngster but irrespective of how many feel on this board about the current state of his game or his potential I can tell you with 100% certainity that SJU is not alone in their evaluation of his game....some schools have been mentioned but their are quite a few other big name programs that like his game and will be offering
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Not here to pass judgement on his game or be critical of any youngster but irrespective of how many feel on this board about the current state of his game or his potential I can tell you with 100% certainity that SJU is not alone in their evaluation of his game....some schools have been mentioned but their are quite a few other big name programs that like his game and will be offering
I'm sure there are schools interested. Such coaches probably feel he is skilled enough to play at a high level. That said, Lavin and interested counterparts must be confident they can develop him and, more importantly, get him committed to getting and staying in shape. My concern is the latter. Up to this point, he has not demonstrated that dedication. He certainly has good hands, decent post moves, a soft shot and nimble feet.
Please appreciate I have not seen him numerous times, but enough to formulate an opinion. I also recognize coaches willing to recruit him are far better equipped to render a judgment on his development than me. I will thus trust Lavin and staff on this one. Lastly, my expressed concern about Adonis is also tempered by my expectation that we would be in great shape for more established interior players for 14 Class. I know we are still there with Abu and others and it is still early. I just was surprised we needed to take this leap at this juncture.
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Can't teach height because if you could we would have a lot of students on the team.
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Not here to pass judgement on his game or be critical of any youngster but irrespective of how many feel on this board about the current state of his game or his potential I can tell you with 100% certainity that SJU is not alone in their evaluation of his game....some schools have been mentioned but their are quite a few other big name programs that like his game and will be offering
From various reputable sources, De La Rosa currently has offers from (in alphabetical order):
Arkansas, Dayton, Drexel, Fordham, Florida State, Georgetown, Hofstra, Maryland, Missouri, Notre Dame, Providence, St. Johns, SMU, Stanford, VCU, and Xavier.
Other major conference teams showing interest, but not yet offering include Kansas, Memphis, Michigan State, Pitt, Tennessee
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“@phillipshoops: St. John's head coach Steve Lavin caught the 8 am NY Rens win over Houston Hoopstars. 2014 C Adonis Delarosa showed some upside. #Super64”
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“@phillipshoops: St. John's head coach Steve Lavin caught the 8 am NY Rens win over Houston Hoopstars. 2014 C Adonis Delarosa showed some upside. #Super64”
Must kill you to post these updates. ;)
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Just not that many bigs in 2014. Going to need a spacer eater with GG, Sanchez, and most likely Sampson gone.
Delarosa is a safe bet who could pay dividends down the road.
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“@phillipshoops: St. John's head coach Steve Lavin caught the 8 am NY Rens win over Houston Hoopstars. 2014 C Adonis Delarosa showed some upside. #Super64”
Must kill you to post these updates. ;)
Ha! No, I actually pull for this kid to get in shape. I just saw an article about a Minnesota big who recently lost a ton of weight under pressure from Richard Pitino. If we get him, maybe we can do the same and I can eat some crow. Won't be the first time! Ha!
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We always have Michael Chandler to fall back on..... again
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Adonis Delarosa -- 2014 -- C -- New York Rens 6'10" -- Christ the King H.S. -- New York, NY A massive presence in the post, Delarosa showed solid hands and good touch around the basket in the Rens morning win over Houston Hoopstars. Delarosa still needs to get into better game condition, but when he's able to establish his presence in the post he's tough to move on both ends. Delarosa protects and rebounds his area on defense and had a lot of positive post touches that drew fouls or double teams. - See more at: http://ny2lasports.com/article_one.aspx?articleid=1494#sthash.jxJUlNKj.HNmJShac.dpuf (http://ny2lasports.com/article_one.aspx?articleid=1494#sthash.jxJUlNKj.HNmJShac.dpuf)
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Outside of Adonis, are there any additional bigs we are in the mix for?
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Outside of Adonis, are there any additional bigs we are in the mix for?
We've been mentioned with Goodluck & Pascal Chukwu but I dont know how deep the interest is
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Maybe it's me, but while Delarosa might seem like a bit of a reach to some, he does have some good qualities. Very good hands, positioning and size. Certainly not a guy I'd take as our only big in this class, but maybe a project worth the 10th-13th man because you cant teach his size and decent skill set.
SJU's Ed Brown is a kid who I thought really had a lot of talent. He just never had the drive nor the coaches that could get the most out of him. Ed Brown had great footwork and soft hands though, and I think could have been excellent had he had the right coaches early. Delarosa isn't that much different. We still need to land some studs, but I'm not against grabbing a kid like Delarosa if the staff feels he is worth tryinng to mold into a player at this level.
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Outside of Adonis, are there any additional bigs we are in the mix for?
We've been mentioned with Goodluck & Pascal Chukwu but I dont know how deep the interest is
We also reportedly have an offer out to 6'9 235 Ray Kasongo, the Canadian big.
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Outside of Adonis, are there any additional bigs we are in the mix for?
We've been mentioned with Goodluck & Pascal Chukwu but I dont know how deep the interest is
We also reportedly have an offer out to 6'9 235 Ray Kasongo, the Canadian big.
“@HoopsHypeCA: Ray Kasongo hasn't named official finalists, but they are LSU, Oregon, and Florida State. #CdnBallers”
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Maybe it's me, but while Delarosa might seem like a bit of a reach to some, he does have some good qualities. Very good hands, positioning and size. Certainly not a guy I'd take as our only big in this class, but maybe a project worth the 10th-13th man because you cant teach his size and decent skill set.
SJU's Ed Brown is a kid who I thought really had a lot of talent. He just never had the drive nor the coaches that could get the most out of him. Ed Brown had great footwork and soft hands though, and I think could have been excellent had he had the right coaches early. Delarosa isn't that much different. We still need to land some studs, but I'm not against grabbing a kid like Delarosa if the staff feels he is worth tryinng to mold into a player at this level.
I'm not against it either, however it does appear that we don't have interest from any of the remaining bigs. If he were the only big we land and we lose Obekpa, then were are we for next season? Still time to make things happen but so far we haven't hit on any of our targets yet. It will fall on Lavin's shoulder if we don't land anyone but it's also why Chiles wasn't considered on the top recruiters list.
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SH likes those "beefy" bigs;
“@CollegiateHoops: Seton Hall is the latest school to show interest in Christ the King (NY) center Adonis Dela Rosa '14, he told @NYCHoops”
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“@Future150: 2014 Christ the King C Adonis De La Rosa lists offers from St. John's, Florida State, Georgetown, Fordham, Seton Hall, and Hofstra.”
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He'd come into a perfect situation at St. John's. With Sampson and Obekpa manning the front court, it would give DelaRosa time to get acclimated to the college game.
Would also give Whitesell a full season to really work on his game and conditioning. Could be a real nice piece for us.
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He'd come into a perfect situation at St. John's. With Sampson and Obekpa manning the front court, it would give DelaRosa time to get acclimated to the college game.
Would also give Whitesell a full season to really work on his game and conditioning. Could be a real nice piece for us.
I really would love to add a kid with his size. He's got good enough footwork and hands that he could be an asset down the line. If nothing is expected of him his first season, he'd have time to get his conditioning in order. Maybe a Devonte Gardner-type down the line?
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@Future150: The big man went on to say that he will not take any visits until after he takes the SAT's in October. Could play out into the spring.
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“@GiveNGobball: Seton Hall, Stephen F. Austin, and St. Peter's were at Christ The King's workout today. Seton Hall watched Rawle Alkins and Adonis Delarosa.”
“@CerasolisGhost: With Quadri Moore off the board to Cincinnati, Delarosa is a solid local alternative. Another NYC kid. #shbb”
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“@GiveNGobball: Seton Hall, Stephen F. Austin, and St. Peter's were at Christ The King's workout today. Seton Hall watched Rawle Alkins and Adonis Delarosa.”
“@CerasolisGhost: With Quadri Moore off the board to Cincinnati, Delarosa is a solid local alternative. Another NYC kid. #shbb”
I said it earlier today that the Hall would try to jump on a big like Delarosa. I actually hope SJU lands him. I think he can be good down the road for us.
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If Whitehead comes, I think you put Delarosa on the back burner while putting out exploratory feelers to all the top uncommitted big men. If you have championship talent and depth at the 1, 2, and 3, might as well take a shot at the cream of the crop.
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“@UndercoverFriar: Providence very involved with 2014 C Adonis DeLaRosa (Christ the King). SMU, Kansas, Pitt, Georgetown, Florida St & more have offered. #pcbb”
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If Whitehead comes, I think you put Delarosa on the back burner while putting out exploratory feelers to all the top uncommitted big men. If you have championship talent and depth at the 1, 2, and 3, might as well take a shot at the cream of the crop.
My thoughts exactly. We lose two of our top four bigs to graduation--one will be a starter. We will have the best and deepest back court in the country. The Whitehead addition changes everything. 2015 goes from a transition year to potentially our best year yet just like that.
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Full-Court press on this kid now? Also, Bill Self offered this kid?
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How long before Joe Arbitello is offered an assistant job at Seton Hall?
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Seems like he's starting to see interest pick-up. If the staff truly wants him, hope they show the love because other schools seem to be entering the picture and picking up the pace with him.
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Maybe Willard can get Bob Oliva to join the staff.
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“@ASlater247: 7'Adonis DeLaRosa, @jerrymeyer247 's #22 C in '14, said that St.John's, Florida St., SMU & Miami have been after him. Will be @ St.John's MM”
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“@ASlater247: 7'Adonis DeLaRosa, @jerrymeyer247 's #22 C in '14, said that St.John's, Florida St., SMU & Miami have been after him. Will be @ St.John's MM”
Miami. Hahahaha they probably see him as a replacement for that enormous guy they had this past season.
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This guy would be a great get. He is solid and will be an impact player soon after he gets here. With Obekpa, Sampson, D'Lo and Jordan all going pro after this year we need a player of his stature.
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This guy would be a great get. He is solid and will be an impact player soon after he gets here. With Obekpa, Sampson, D'Lo and Jordan all going pro after this year we need a player of his stature.
Only Walter White would agree.
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This guy would be a great get. He is solid and will be an impact player soon after he gets here. With Obekpa, Sampson, D'Lo and Jordan all going pro after this year we need a player of his stature.
Was this said in jest?
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This guy would be a great get. He is solid and will be an impact player soon after he gets here. With Obekpa, Sampson, D'Lo and Jordan all going pro after this year we need a player of his stature.
Was this said in jest?
If not his sanity must be questioned.
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I have read on here in separate posts that one or more of these guys will only be here through this year. I am thinking that this guy is going to come in and have an impact especially in the new Big East.
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I have read on here in separate posts that one or more of these guys will only be here through this year. I am thinking that this guy is going to come in and have an impact especially in the new Big East.
He could be a good recruit for us. But, he is a bit of a project and out of shape .He doesn't sound like he is the type of player that will make an immediate impact. If he gets in shape he could be a good role player and develop.over time. He does have nice size and good hands.
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“@NYCHoops: Full Day of Hoops @ Elmcor: CORONA, NY - The iS8 Fall Tip-Off Classic continued on Saturday at Elmcor Youth & ... http://bit.ly/1bmBjTw (http://bit.ly/1bmBjTw)”
The Rens were looking to go 2-0 in the tournament, but the final score was a bit misleading as the game was very tight in the early going with Newburgh leading for a majority of the 2nd quarter before The Rens turned things around and went on a major run to pull away for good.
Anthony Salmon (Newburgh Free Academy '14), was on fire early in for Newburgh, a team consisting of primarily Newburgh Free Academy players. Salmon scored 22 in the first half as he was able to get free and find holes in the Rens zone, and knock down 4 in the half. Both teams were hot early on, but defense was not the order of the hour, as both teams had issues stooping the other. Rawle Alkins (Christ the King '16) hit a couple jumpers after he was entered into the game, but his defense was lacking and he was soon subbed out, and didn't return for the rest of the game. It looked like The Rens were in trouble. Salmon was dominating and the lack of energy was disconcerting for The Rens as Newburgh was up 44-35 with 2:08 to go in the half. With Alkins out, and only Travis Atson (Christ the King '15) showing any consistency offensively, as he was basically carrying the load, things didn't look good for the NYC team, but suddenly a switch seemed to go off, as Juan Ramos (Brooklyn Law and Tech '14) scored on a slash inside, and Jared Rivers (Christ the King '16) looked like a mature leader on the floor, making all the right passes, stepping up his defensive game, and scoring on cuts going inside, as he helped The Rens go on a 12-2 run to end the half, as they took a 47-46 lead at the break.
The 2nd half was no contest. Newburgh couldn't finish regardless if it was a wide open three point attempt, or a chippy on the inside, Atson and Adonis Delarosa (Christ the King '14) were able to score at will inside and out as from 2:08 of the 2nd quarter, to 1:27 of the 3rd quarter, The Rens outscored Newburgh 47-6 to take a commanding 82-50 lead. The defense they played was impeccable, and they were draining shot after shot, getting out on the break and doing a lot of damage in transition. With only 6 players available after Alkins left the bench, every player stepped up. Atson bit 5 threes in the game, and Rivers did a nice job maintaining a good tempo and leading the team as the floor general. The Rens coasted in the 4th for a 98-72 win.
Atson, who had 26 in last week's game, came up even bigger in this one with a game high 32 points for The Rena, with Delarosa adding 17, and Rivers scoring 11. Salmon was really the only offensive weapon that Newburgh had, and he did a real nice job proving to be a player to watch in Section 9 this year scoring 31 points in defeat. - See more at: http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1555439#sthash.d6hsufrX.dpuf (http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1555439#sthash.d6hsufrX.dpuf)
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fwiw, USA Today ranked Christ the King No. 17 in country.
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fwiw, USA Today ranked Christ the King No. 17 in country.
In his interview when the announcer called him 6'10 he quickly corrected him and said 7'. Let's hope so if we get him. If we don't hope the kid is really 6'8. :)
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fwiw, USA Today ranked Christ the King No. 17 in country.
In his interview when the announcer called him 6'10 he quickly corrected him and said 7'. Let's hope so if we get him. If we don't hope the kid is really 6'8. :)
I can tell people I'm 6'4 but I'm not.
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fwiw, USA Today ranked Christ the King No. 17 in country.
In his interview when the announcer called him 6'10 he quickly corrected him and said 7'. Let's hope so if we get him. If we don't hope the kid is really 6'8. :)
I can tell people I'm 6'4 but I'm not.
You're kidding! Thought someone with the nickname Moose would be at least 6'6! :)
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fwiw, USA Today ranked Christ the King No. 17 in country.
In his interview when the announcer called him 6'10 he quickly corrected him and said 7'. Let's hope so if we get him. If we don't hope the kid is really 6'8. :)
Big boy pushes 7' with ease
http://twitter.com/OnlyGodOwnMe/status/394657153694564352/photo/1 (http://twitter.com/OnlyGodOwnMe/status/394657153694564352/photo/1)
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fwiw, USA Today ranked Christ the King No. 17 in country.
In his interview when the announcer called him 6'10 he quickly corrected him and said 7'. Let's hope so if we get him. If we don't hope the kid is really 6'8. :)
Big boy pushes 7' with ease
http://twitter.com/OnlyGodOwnMe/status/394657153694564352/photo/1 (http://twitter.com/OnlyGodOwnMe/status/394657153694564352/photo/1)
Yes he does. Makes Orlando look like a guard. Kid is monstrous. I really wouldn't mind grabbing him and developing him. Even if he needs a redshirt year to get in better shape. You really can't teach his size, and he has decent skills for a guy that size. When I watched his videos, I thought he was a 6'8 overweight kid who was listed taller. That's isn't close to the case, as he's a ton taller than I thought and rightfully behind a bit basketball-wise due to it. Kid seems legit 7'0, and if he can lose 50+lbs, can be a force inside.
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Kid must have grown a bit. Last time I saw him no way was he pushing 7.
But Marcus 50 lbs is a little excessive. You want him to still have some girth to utilize especially since he's played that way for years. Just get in condition so he's not like Josh Smith and I'm fine with it
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Kid must have grown a bit. Last time I saw him no way was he pushing 7.
But Marcus 50 lbs is a little excessive. You want him to still have some girth to utilize especially since he's played that way for years. Just get in condition so he's not like Josh Smith and I'm fine with it
50 lbs excessive? Not at his height. I just lost 23 lbs and I'm 6'2" and nobody would say I'm wasting away now, nor was I near as big as Delarosa before. 50 lbs on a 7 footer of his frame would be his love handles and that's about it. I sure he's gotta be rocking 350 now easily. He won't lose his girth. He's got to gain muscle. Get him down to 275 and below and he'll be mobile as can be.
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This makes me think Orlando is 6'7" instead of thinking Adonis is 7'0"
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This makes me think Orlando is 6'7" instead of thinking Adonis is 7'0"
Orlando is taller than jakarr and CO. I'd say 6'8.5
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This makes me think Orlando is 6'7" instead of thinking Adonis is 7'0"
No chance Orlando is 6'7". He's about 6'9". Adonis is just that big.
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Kid must have grown a bit. Last time I saw him no way was he pushing 7.
But Marcus 50 lbs is a little excessive. You want him to still have some girth to utilize especially since he's played that way for years. Just get in condition so he's not like Josh Smith and I'm fine with it
I'd say 50 pounds is right on the money. 6'10, 6'11, 7'0...whatever his true height, the kid is clearly huge and he has soft hands. He really needs to lose a ton of weight, but that can be done easily if he is committed. I like the Dominican photo! Past-present-future?
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fwiw, USA Today ranked Christ the King No. 17 in country.
In his interview when the announcer called him 6'10 he quickly corrected him and said 7'. Let's hope so if we get him. If we don't hope the kid is really 6'8. :)
Big boy pushes 7' with ease
http://twitter.com/OnlyGodOwnMe/status/394657153694564352/photo/1 (http://twitter.com/OnlyGodOwnMe/status/394657153694564352/photo/1)
For perspective, Lopez measured 6'4.75 at the nba draft without shoes
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fwiw, USA Today ranked Christ the King No. 17 in country.
In his interview when the announcer called him 6'10 he quickly corrected him and said 7'. Let's hope so if we get him. If we don't hope the kid is really 6'8. :)
Big boy pushes 7' with ease
http://twitter.com/OnlyGodOwnMe/status/394657153694564352/photo/1 (http://twitter.com/OnlyGodOwnMe/status/394657153694564352/photo/1)
For perspective, Lopez measured 6'4.75 at the nba draft without shoes
I don't care whether Delarosa is 7ft exactly or 6'11. Orlando is about 6'9" and not much shorter.
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He has a year before he enters college to work on his weight and conditioning. Hopefully he will work hard and pop for us.
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http://instagram.com/p/f9BV3HDGZ4/ (http://instagram.com/p/f9BV3HDGZ4/)
Adonis saying Hi to Felipe in the comments after they met at Tip off. The Dominican connection could pay off.
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I will say that Adonis has a head like Andre the Giant. He could push guys off the blocks with his melon alone.
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Messed around on utube to watch some footage of DelaRosa. Looks slow. I hope he finds success elsewhere.
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Messed around on utube to watch some footage of DelaRosa. Looks slow. I hope he finds success elsewhere.
I just watched a video of one of his games and I'd have to agree. Very slow, and honestly not very skilled, just really big. I hope if we get him I am wrong.
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Of course he's slow . . . he's 300 lbs. But I'm sure posters have also mentioned soft hands over the previous eight pages. He's a project, but the staff apparently thinks a worthwhile one. I thought his stats last year were ugly, but I'm willing to see what he does this season before saying no -- especially since he apparently had a decent summer and may be on track to lose weight. Plus, we need size and no one has us listed, and likely won't do so unless our record equals our talent.
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He isn't a 7 footer but he is big
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Let's get this guy! He can always go on the south beach diet and the weight room is pretty nice looking.
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despite major frontcourt needs lavin has stuck out on all major replacements it seems. we do not need projects we need talent.
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Focus on how your players are conducting themselves off the court, Ed, instead of our recruiting needs. I know you are still bitter over Jakar, CO and Sanchez. And of course Method Man selling you out to Chris and Marlo.
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Cooley is a dead ringer for Prop Joe RIP
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Cooley is a dead ringer for Prop Joe RIP
I heard Cooley lost 60lbs+... I have not seen him yet though
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Cooley is a dead ringer for Prop Joe RIP
I heard Cooley lost 60lbs+... I have not seen him yet though
His face definitely looked thinner and he looked younger during his interview on FS1's BE Kickoff Special.
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Big Fella was at the game tonight.
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Big Fella was at the game tonight.
Good.
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fwiw, USA Today ranked Christ the King No. 17 in country.
In his interview when the announcer called him 6'10 he quickly corrected him and said 7'. Let's hope so if we get him. If we don't hope the kid is really 6'8. :)
Big boy pushes 7' with ease
http://twitter.com/OnlyGodOwnMe/status/394657153694564352/photo/1 (http://twitter.com/OnlyGodOwnMe/status/394657153694564352/photo/1)
For perspective, Lopez measured 6'4.75 at the nba draft without shoes
I don't care whether Delarosa is 7ft exactly or 6'11. Orlando is about 6'9" and not much shorter.
..and watching courtside last night, Sanchez and Sampson are almost exactly the same height.. I think Sampson is legit 6'9 now..
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One writer's opinion about Adonis;
@BFlinnFuture150: I think that St. John's may be the school to beat. Things can change now that other schools will be looking for big men
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Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello said Purdue, Wake Forest, Florida State, St. John’s, Seton Hall, SMU, Georgetown, Fordham and Hofstra were all recruiting De La Rosa.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/adonis-de-la-rosa-set-for-spring-signing/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/adonis-de-la-rosa-set-for-spring-signing/)
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Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello said Purdue, Wake Forest, Florida State, St. John’s, Seton Hall, SMU, Georgetown, Fordham and Hofstra were all recruiting De La Rosa.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/adonis-de-la-rosa-set-for-spring-signing/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/adonis-de-la-rosa-set-for-spring-signing/)
Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello said Purdue, Wake Forest, Florida State, St. John’s, Seton Hall, SMU, Georgetown, Fordham and Hofstra were all recruiting De La Rosa.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/adonis-de-la-rosa-set-for-spring-signing/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/adonis-de-la-rosa-set-for-spring-signing/)
So essentially, if DLR wants to develop as a big man, with the coaches/schools in the running, he's best served by SJ's, GTown, FSU and SMU.
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Adonis &. CTK against strong Cardinal Hayes team on now.
@eliovelez: Minutes away from Hayes and Christ the King live on http://t.co/JeTguluJkC (http://t.co/JeTguluJkC)
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Adonis &. CTK against strong Cardinal Hayes team on now.
@eliovelez: Minutes away from Hayes and Christ the King live on http://t.co/JeTguluJkC (http://t.co/JeTguluJkC)
I love msgvarsity.com - was able to watch my alma mater play Chaminade in a reg season football game - what a resource.
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R we sure we want him?
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I just can't see how this kid can develop and play at BE level. About the sixth time I have observed him & still am very unimpressed. Oh well, staff must know better.
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too much of a project, we need a juco big man
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too much of a project, we need a juco big man
Despite my concerns above, I do agree with another poster that Adonis could probably fill Gift's five or so minutes a game role. (if he gets in better shape). He has better hands and passing ability IMO. I just don't see him contributing much down the road in a greater role, but will trust staff on that. The important slot to fill is Sanchez. Hopefully we can get a Juco or fifth year transfer for that.
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So essentially, if DLR wants to develop as a big man, with the coaches/schools in the running, he's best served by SJ's, GTown, FSU and SMU.
When was the last time SJU developed a big man.
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So essentially, if DLR wants to develop as a big man, with the coaches/schools in the running, he's best served by SJ's, GTown, FSU and SMU.
When was the last time SJU developed a big man.
George Johnson?
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Wasn't he a power forward
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Wasn't he a power forward
Yes, but in today's parlance he would be considered a "big".
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Ty Grant?
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I just can't see how this kid can develop and play at BE level. About the sixth time I have observed him & still am very unimpressed. Oh well, staff must know better.
I disagree. He's a load and you can develop that.
Additionally there isn't much else in this class and this fits a major need. I think its a good mutual fit at St. John's however he isn't exactly Lavin's ideal player.
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How many times have we seen a big guy that was not a huge prospect but developed as a soph or junior beat us up on the interior? If DelaRosa can develop into something like that, it is worth it given what I think our needs will be next year and down the road.
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Wasn't he a power forward
Johnson was 6'9", he played center for three years and PF his senior year when McKoy played center. He is the third leading rebounder in SJU history. He's a big man by any definition.
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Wasn't he a power forward
Johnson was 6'9", he played center for three years and PF his senior year when McKoy played center. He is the third leading rebounder in SJU history. He's a big man by any definition.
If by third leading rebounder you mean first you are a winner! :)
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Wasn't he a power forward
Johnson was 6'9", he played center for three years and PF his senior year when McKoy played center. He is the third leading rebounder in SJU history. He's a big man by any definition.
Playing center does not make you a center particularly at SJU. Over the last 50 year we may of had 6 centers and another half dozen pretenders. Is that 6'9" on the SJU tape measure which is usually off by about two inches,
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Playing center does not make you a center particularly at SJU. Over the last 50 year we may of had 6 centers and another half dozen pretenders. Is that 6'9" on the SJU tape measure which is usually off by about two inches,
George Lee Johnson
Position: Power Forward and Small Forward
Shoots: Right
Height: 6-7
Weight: 210 lbs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=stjohns (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=stjohns)
To the extent I recall Johnson he played center. That was a long time ago though and I was but a tad.
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Wasn't he a power forward
Johnson was 6'9", he played center for three years and PF his senior year when McKoy played center. He is the third leading rebounder in SJU history. He's a big man by any definition.
Best back to to the basket game of anyone that I have seen at SJU
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Playing center does not make you a center particularly at SJU. Over the last 50 year we may of had 6 centers and another half dozen pretenders. Is that 6'9" on the SJU tape measure which is usually off by about two inches,
George Lee Johnson
Position: Power Forward and Small Forward
Shoots: Right
Height: 6-7
Weight: 210 lbs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=stjohns (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=stjohns)
To the extent I recall Johnson he played center. That was a long time ago though and I was but a tad.
Playing center does not make you a center particularly at SJU. Over the last 50 year we may of had 6 centers and another half dozen pretenders. Is that 6'9" on the SJU tape measure which is usually off by about two inches,
George Lee Johnson
Position: Power Forward and Small Forward
Shoots: Right
Height: 6-7
Weight: 210 lbs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=stjohns (http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=stjohns)
To the extent I recall Johnson he played center. That was a long time ago though and I was but a tad.
George played center for three years and power forward his senior year until McKoy got in foul trouble, when he switched back to the middle. I was a bit more than a tad then.
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Wasn't he a power forward
Johnson was 6'9", he played center for three years and PF his senior year when McKoy played center. He is the third leading rebounder in SJU history. He's a big man by any definition.
Best back to to the basket game of anyone that I have seen at SJU
Amen to that, he had some epic battles with James Bailey of Rutgers, George held his own but Bailey was slightly better.
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Wasn't he a power forward
Johnson was 6'9", he played center for three years and PF his senior year when McKoy played center. He is the third leading rebounder in SJU history. He's a big man by any definition.
Playing center does not make you a center particularly at SJU. Over the last 50 year we may of had 6 centers and another half dozen pretenders. Is that 6'9" on the SJU tape measure which is usually off by about two inches,
What's your point? Foad asked when was the last time we developed a big man, Johnson was a big man for us.
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My point Simple he was a power forward and he wasn't 6-9! I damn sure wasn't a tad as I was over 40 by the time he finished at SJU,
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My point Simple he was a power forward and he wasn't 6-9! I damn sure wasn't a tad as I was over 40 by the time he finished at SJU,
So was he or was he not a big man? And did he develop? I never saw him play.
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Is George Johnson related to Adonis Delarosa?
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My point Simple he was a power forward and he wasn't 6-9! I damn sure wasn't a tad as I was over 40 by the time he finished at SJU,
So who played center his first three years, Tom Weadock? George played back-to-the-basket center, regardless of what you think was his height. I was over 30 by the time he finished and was at virtually every home game.
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Is George Johnson related to Adonis Delarosa?
No, maybe, yes.
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My point Simple he was a power forward and he wasn't 6-9! I damn sure wasn't a tad as I was over 40 by the time he finished at SJU,
So was he or was he not a big man? And did he develop? I never saw him play.
Freshman 10.1 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5th leading scorer, leading rebounder
Sophmore 13.8 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder
Junior 17.4 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder
Senior 19.4 ppg, 12.0 rpg, leading scorer, leading rebounder
Draw your own conclusions.
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CuJo. Nuff Said!
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My point Simple he was a power forward and he wasn't 6-9! I damn sure wasn't a tad as I was over 40 by the time he finished at SJU,
So was he or was he not a big man? And did he develop? I never saw him play.
Freshman 10.1 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5th leading scorer, leading rebounder
Sophmore 13.8 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder
Junior 17.4 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder
Senior 19.4 ppg, 12.0 rpg, leading scorer, leading rebounder
Draw your own conclusions.
HE was A Power Forward
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Guys how many here seen Adonis play for more than 5 games?
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Guys how many here seen Adonis play for more than 5 games?
Live once. On tape a few. I said a few weeks ago when I saw them take on Stepinac if he is replacing Gift for 5-7 mpg as a freshman I have no issue with it. Watch him develop then over the years.
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Guys how many here seen Adonis play for more than 5 games?
Six times, four live. Not optimistic about his development, but I trust staff knows better. He does have good hands, comes from good program & sure is big.
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a billion. hes lazy point blank period. it would be one thing if he was a hard worker who just needed to be around some professionals to get him to his peak, but thats not the case. hes lazy and everyone in and around his circle knows it. even his coaches are open about it. until that changes the kid you see now is the kid your gonna get
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When you say "he's from a good program", do you mean CTK or Rens or both? What is the scuttlebutt on Rens as a program and their relationship w St. John's? Thanks
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My point Simple he was a power forward and he wasn't 6-9! I damn sure wasn't a tad as I was over 40 by the time he finished at SJU,
So was he or was he not a big man? And did he develop? I never saw him play.
Freshman 10.1 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5th leading scorer, leading rebounder
Sophmore 13.8 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder
Junior 17.4 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder
Senior 19.4 ppg, 12.0 rpg, leading scorer, leading rebounder
Draw your own conclusions.
HE was A Power Forward
Okay, why didn't you answer the question I asked you before; who played center the first three years of his career? Give me an acceptable answer and I'll buy the PF line. Merry Christmas.
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My point Simple he was a power forward and he wasn't 6-9! I damn sure wasn't a tad as I was over 40 by the time he finished at SJU,
So was he or was he not a big man? And did he develop? I never saw him play.
Freshman 10.1 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5th leading scorer, leading rebounder
Sophmore 13.8 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder
Junior 17.4 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder
Senior 19.4 ppg, 12.0 rpg, leading scorer, leading rebounder
Draw your own conclusions.
HE was A Power Forward
Okay, why didn't you answer the question I asked you before; who played center the first three years of his career? Give me an acceptable answer and I'll buy the PF line. Merry Christmas.
Way to ruin a thread guys. Who cares about George Johnson? Can we move on?
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I have never seen him play, KOB, so I operate off of what I've read generally and on this board. If he is as lazy and unmotivated as Chille says, the staff must think they can light a fire under his a** if they are recruiting him. I can't see Lavin taking a flier on a guy -- even with some tools -- if they don't think the work ethic and desire will ever be there.
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My point Simple he was a power forward and he wasn't 6-9! I damn sure wasn't a tad as I was over 40 by the time he finished at SJU,
So was he or was he not a big man? And did he develop? I never saw him play.
Freshman 10.1 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5th leading scorer, leading rebounder
Sophmore 13.8 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder
Junior 17.4 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder
Senior 19.4 ppg, 12.0 rpg, leading scorer, leading rebounder
Draw your own conclusions.
HE was A Power Forward
Okay, why didn't you answer the question I asked you before; who played center the first three years of his career? Give me an acceptable answer and I'll buy the PF line. Merry Christmas.
Way to ruin a thread guys. Who cares about George Johnson? Can we move on?
Figures a guy named Paultzman would make a comment like that. Johnson's the all time Johnnie rebound leader and a top ten scorer, I care.
It's not the first time a thread's been hijacked.
Merry Christmas.
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I haven't seen him play, but I do have some reservations based on some comments, the tapes, and his weight. That written, not all 13 players on a roster need to be stars, and I love the ability to have tall and wide-bodied player to pull off the bench. He's also got good hands from what I've seen and some ability to play with his back to the basket.
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I admit all I've seen of him are some youtube videos of his games, but he looks like way too much of a project. Extremely slow, struggles getting up and down the court. Lack of effort I noticed a few times. Not saying he can't develop, just that I wouldn't be upset if we let him go elsewhere.
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Agree he's a big project. Then again, Roy Hibbert didn't look much different than Delarosa when he got to Georgetown. He could barely run the court, looked awkward etc. Now the guy is a real player in the nba. I'm guessing the staff sees something that many of us don't. I can see he has decent hands, but needs plenty of work. I'm with Moose though, if he's replacing Gift, I'm more than fine with it. We still need another forward to replace Sanchez though, as I'm not yet sure Jones can do it. Delarosa would actually be a perfect candidate for redshirting, but I think we will need him depth-wise unless Lavin has some other idea.
I'd love to have a guy with Adonis' size on the roster though, if the staff feels like the kid can be motivated. Maybe he can turn himself into an actual Adonis.
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JUCO's
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Transfers
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4 year players that develop
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In a perfect world....this kid is far from perfect. I'd enjoy watching him get better....I'd hate watching him be lazy....is he even eligible....I don't think so.
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There just aren't many good available bigs in this years class.
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agree....juco's ... transfers......
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agree....juco's ... transfers......
Transfers are a big risk. No ships to offer a big right now. And then we will have to wait out the NCAA giving a kid an immediate waiver or a 5th year guy which there never are that many of.
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Agree... but I think Adonis probably would be a bigger risk....is he eligible anyway?
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Agree... but I think Adonis probably would be a bigger risk....is he eligible anyway?
Eligible might not be the right word. Nobody is really eligible until they graduate and get on campus.
I think you are referring to a recent article from Zags that he hasn't taken officials because he hadn't taken the SAT yet.
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why wouldn't u take SAT'ss....you can take them until u qualify.....so w him there is a real risk he won't qualify.....supposedly he is a good student....but
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why wouldn't u take SAT'ss....you can take them until u qualify.....so w him there is a real risk he won't qualify.....supposedly he is a good student....but
If he is supposedly a good student what makes you say there is a real risk he won't qualify? I don't know why he hasn't taken them yet but don't they offer them at 1 or 2 times a month or something. Plenty of time between now and late signing period. The only issue with no taking the SAT is he can't take official visits. To worry about qualifying at this stage is premature but thats the life of a SJU fan in recent years. Sweating about qualifying.
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I guess i think if he were really a good student he would have taken them already, but i obviously don't know.
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Curtis Johnson???
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At least he made two clutch free throws;
@Section4Scores: Christ the King, Long Island Lutheran to play for STOP-DWI Holiday Classic title http://t.co/bXL3rAKajf (http://t.co/bXL3rAKajf)
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Wasn't he a power forward
Johnson was 6'9", he played center for three years and PF his senior year when McKoy played center. He is the third leading rebounder in SJU history. He's a big man by any definition.
Playing center does not make you a center particularly at SJU. Over the last 50 year we may of had 6 centers and another half dozen pretenders. Is that 6'9" on the SJU tape measure which is usually off by about two inches,
What's your point? Foad asked when was the last time we developed a big man, Johnson was a big man for us.
Ty Grant is the last time IMO.
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Adonis hit a couple of key shots to help CTK beat LuHigh in Tourney final.
http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20131230/SPORTS0502/312300078/Christ-King-wins-fourth-STOP-DWI-Holiday-Classic-championship?nclick_check=1 (http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20131230/SPORTS0502/312300078/Christ-King-wins-fourth-STOP-DWI-Holiday-Classic-championship?nclick_check=1)
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@ASlater247: Adonis DeLaRosa, @247Sports composite #26 C, said St.John's, Pitt, Purdue, Hofstra & Seton Hall are hardest after him http://t.co/rH1JtaRni5 (http://t.co/rH1JtaRni5)
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@ASlater247: Adonis DeLaRosa, @247Sports composite #26 C, said St.John's, Pitt, Purdue, Hofstra & Seton Hall are hardest after him http://t.co/rH1JtaRni5 (http://t.co/rH1JtaRni5)
Go get him Norm! I mean Steve!
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why wouldn't u take SAT'ss....you can take them until u qualify.....so w him there is a real risk he won't qualify.....supposedly he is a good student....but
If he is supposedly a good student what makes you say there is a real risk he won't qualify? I don't know why he hasn't taken them yet but don't they offer them at 1 or 2 times a month or something. Plenty of time between now and late signing period. The only issue with no taking the SAT is he can't take official visits. To worry about qualifying at this stage is premature but thats the life of a SJU fan in recent years. Sweating about qualifying.
I think March is the next one, and then May and June at the start of each month.
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@Hoyas247: Per a source, #Hoyas have upped their recruitment of '14 C Adonis Delarosa http://t.co/v3CInCgaSa (http://t.co/v3CInCgaSa) via @247Sports
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@Hoyas247: Per a source, #Hoyas have upped their recruitment of '14 C Adonis Delarosa http://t.co/v3CInCgaSa (http://t.co/v3CInCgaSa) via @247Sports
Not surprising considering they have a similar body in Josh Smith
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Should fit in nicely here :)
@CNG_Staszewski: CK-St. Rays. No Adonis Delarosa for CK. He was late to school. Andre Walker back in the line up for the Royals. #chsaa
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Should fit in nicely here :)
@CNG_Staszewski: CK-St. Rays. No Adonis Delarosa for CK. He was late to school. Andre Walker back in the line up for the Royals. #chsaa
Thanks Paultzman, I needed a good laugh.
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Should fit in nicely here :)
@CNG_Staszewski: CK-St. Rays. No Adonis Delarosa for CK. He was late to school. Andre Walker back in the line up for the Royals. #chsaa
Andre Walker is damn good. Whoever gets him is getting an explosive heady NYC tough PG.
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@Dylan_Butler: Delarosa dominating in the paint. He's got 17 and CK now has a 62-39 lead over Molloy with 1:41 left 3Q #msgv_live
I watched first three quarters. Adonis played well against a small Molloy team. He showed nice touch, hit most of his FTs and passed deftly. He looks like he is getting in better shape, but is a plodding player for sure. He rebounded ok, but has a ways to go there. As some have said, to assume Gift't role is fine. Hopefully he will work hard and develop to be an decent player over time.
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There were Division I guards and athletic wings on both teams. But on Friday night, it was evident there was one big thing that separated Christ the King from host Archbishop Molloy.
His name is Adonis Delarosa.
The 6-foot-10, 270-pound dominated in the paint and helped lead the Royals to an 83-76 victory over the Stanners in a CHSAA Class AA content at a packed Jack Curran Gymnasium.
“I knew I was the biggest guy on the floor,” Delarosa said. “I said this is my bread and butter. This is where I’m going to take my advantage and I imposed my will tonight. I figured if I go right under the basket, these guys couldn’t stop me.”
Delarosa scored 12 of his team-high 18 points in the third quarter, turning a 13-point halftime lead into a 64-39 bulge in the third quarter for Christ the King (9-1), ranked No. 3 in New York City and No. 4 in the Tri-State by MSG Varsity.
“I think he did everything great for us,” Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello said. “Forget the offensive stats, he set screens and took charges and if he continues to play that way we’re going to be very good.”
Delarosa, who also grabbed 10 rebounds and dished out four assists, came to Briarwood highly motivated after a loss here last year.
“I came in here with that on my back and said listen I’m not leaving this building without a win,” Delarosa said. “As soon as I saw Molloy on the schedule, I said they’re done.”
Delarosa, who has lost about 100 pounds since his freshman year, played within himself and scored almost all of his points on putbacks in the paint.
“Nobody in the CHSAA I feel can guard me at this point,” Delarosa said. “Anybody that has to match up with us is going to have a problem.”
- See more at: http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/delarosa-comes-up-big-for-christ-the-king-at-molloy-1.1556263#sthash.OOMKjufM.4U1qSlyW.dpuf (http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/delarosa-comes-up-big-for-christ-the-king-at-molloy-1.1556263#sthash.OOMKjufM.4U1qSlyW.dpuf)
Guess staff got caught in traffic.
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One of our missing pieces is a real post presence. Hopefully we could close the deal. Of course the better he plays the more interest he is going to get from other programs.
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One of our missing pieces is a real post presence. Hopefully we could close the deal. Of course the better he plays the more interest he is going to get from other programs.
Many teams are now set with big men. I think we'll be front runners the whole way.
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Should fit in nicely here :)
@CNG_Staszewski: CK-St. Rays. No Adonis Delarosa for CK. He was late to school. Andre Walker back in the line up for the Royals. #chsaa
Andre Walker is damn good. Whoever gets him is getting an explosive heady NYC tough PG.
After watching him on line Friday, I agree he has talent. Not sure what level, but New Heights coach is pushing him;
@ChrisAlesi: 3 under the radar unsigned senior PGs in @CHSAA_NYC Andre Walker -CTK Glenn Sanabria -St Peters and Jemal Smith -Cardinal Hayes
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Should fit in nicely here :)
@CNG_Staszewski: CK-St. Rays. No Adonis Delarosa for CK. He was late to school. Andre Walker back in the line up for the Royals. #chsaa
Andre Walker is damn good. Whoever gets him is getting an explosive heady NYC tough PG.
After watching him on line Friday, I agree he has talent. Not sure what level, but New Heights coach is pushing him;
@ChrisAlesi: 3 under the radar unsigned senior PGs in @CHSAA_NYC Andre Walker -CTK Glenn Sanabria -St Peters and Jemal Smith -Cardinal Hayes
Paultz how would you compare him to Teague on the Hall
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Should fit in nicely here :)
@CNG_Staszewski: CK-St. Rays. No Adonis Delarosa for CK. He was late to school. Andre Walker back in the line up for the Royals. #chsaa
Andre Walker is damn good. Whoever gets him is getting an explosive heady NYC tough PG.
After watching him on line Friday, I agree he has talent. Not sure what level, but New Heights coach is pushing him;
@ChrisAlesi: 3 under the radar unsigned senior PGs in @CHSAA_NYC Andre Walker -CTK Glenn Sanabria -St Peters and Jemal Smith -Cardinal Hayes
A team like Fordham should live off a kid like this.
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Should fit in nicely here :)
@CNG_Staszewski: CK-St. Rays. No Adonis Delarosa for CK. He was late to school. Andre Walker back in the line up for the Royals. #chsaa
Andre Walker is damn good. Whoever gets him is getting an explosive heady NYC tough PG.
After watching him on line Friday, I agree he has talent. Not sure what level, but New Heights coach is pushing him;
@ChrisAlesi: 3 under the radar unsigned senior PGs in @CHSAA_NYC Andre Walker -CTK Glenn Sanabria -St Peters and Jemal Smith -Cardinal Hayes
Paultz how would you compare him to Teague on the Hall
Never saw Teague in HS. Teague seems quicker and more nimble now, but not sure when he got there. AD seems to have decent understanding of game, passes fine, has decent shooting touch, but he has no lift & plays flat footed. I guess if he worked hard & lost more weight, he could be as productive as Teague. Guys on board warn about him being lazy and unwilling to bust his tail to get better. I respect that opinion, but, considering we have no one else committed to take Gift's place, he should be able to fill that role. (Moose has previously noted that). Perhaps if he improves work ethic, he could be a serviceable player.
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Should fit in nicely here :)
@CNG_Staszewski: CK-St. Rays. No Adonis Delarosa for CK. He was late to school. Andre Walker back in the line up for the Royals. #chsaa
Andre Walker is damn good. Whoever gets him is getting an explosive heady NYC tough PG.
After watching him on line Friday, I agree he has talent. Not sure what level, but New Heights coach is pushing him;
@ChrisAlesi: 3 under the radar unsigned senior PGs in @CHSAA_NYC Andre Walker -CTK Glenn Sanabria -St Peters and Jemal Smith -Cardinal Hayes
Paultz how would you compare him to Teague on the Hall
Never saw Teague in HS. Teague seems quicker and more nimble now, but not sure when he got there. AD seems to have decent understanding of game, passes fine, has decent shooting touch, but he has no lift & plays flat footed. I guess if he worked hard & lost more weight, he could be as productive as Teague. Guys on board warn about him being lazy and unwilling to bust his tail to get better. I respect that opinion, but, considering we have no one else committed to take Gift's place, he should be able to fill that role. (Moose has previously noted that). Perhaps if he improves work ethic, he could be a serviceable player.
Question on Gift and Sanchez schollies, do they technically "open" when the season ends, or when the school year does? Main reason I'm asking is pertaining to spring transfers. Can we take them?
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Should fit in nicely here :)
@CNG_Staszewski: CK-St. Rays. No Adonis Delarosa for CK. He was late to school. Andre Walker back in the line up for the Royals. #chsaa
Andre Walker is damn good. Whoever gets him is getting an explosive heady NYC tough PG.
After watching him on line Friday, I agree he has talent. Not sure what level, but New Heights coach is pushing him;
@ChrisAlesi: 3 under the radar unsigned senior PGs in @CHSAA_NYC Andre Walker -CTK Glenn Sanabria -St Peters and Jemal Smith -Cardinal Hayes
Paultz how would you compare him to Teague on the Hall
Never saw Teague in HS. Teague seems quicker and more nimble now, but not sure when he got there. AD seems to have decent understanding of game, passes fine, has decent shooting touch, but he has no lift & plays flat footed. I guess if he worked hard & lost more weight, he could be as productive as Teague. Guys on board warn about him being lazy and unwilling to bust his tail to get better. I respect that opinion, but, considering we have no one else committed to take Gift's place, he should be able to fill that role. (Moose has previously noted that). Perhaps if he improves work ethic, he could be a serviceable player.
Question on Gift and Sanchez schollies, do they technically "open" when the season ends, or when the school year does? Main reason I'm asking is pertaining to spring transfers. Can we take them?
I think your referring to players who transfer after the year. Say end of April or something when graduation is May. Yes you can take a transfer because the other player isn't coming in this semester. He will come in during the summer/fall.
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Has anyone seen the big man from LuHi who transfered in from Kevin Boyle's team? I was initially interested in De la Rosa, but I'm not sure what this team needs is a big slug.
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Has anyone seen the big man from LuHi who transfered in from Kevin Boyle's team? I was initially interested in De la Rosa, but I'm not sure what this team needs is a big slug.
Robyn Missa - haven't seen him, but per youtube might be a good role player. 6' 9, German kid, looks solid physically.
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He's a d2 player
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He's a d2 player
Missa?
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Should fit in nicely here :)
@CNG_Staszewski: CK-St. Rays. No Adonis Delarosa for CK. He was late to school. Andre Walker back in the line up for the Royals. #chsaa
Andre Walker is damn good. Whoever gets him is getting an explosive heady NYC tough PG.
After watching him on line Friday, I agree he has talent. Not sure what level, but New Heights coach is pushing him;
@ChrisAlesi: 3 under the radar unsigned senior PGs in @CHSAA_NYC Andre Walker -CTK Glenn Sanabria -St Peters and Jemal Smith -Cardinal Hayes
Paultz how would you compare him to Teague on the Hall
Never saw Teague in HS. Teague seems quicker and more nimble now, but not sure when he got there. AD seems to have decent understanding of game, passes fine, has decent shooting touch, but he has no lift & plays flat footed. I guess if he worked hard & lost more weight, he could be as productive as Teague. Guys on board warn about him being lazy and unwilling to bust his tail to get better. I respect that opinion, but, considering we have no one else committed to take Gift's place, he should be able to fill that role. (Moose has previously noted that). Perhaps if he improves work ethic, he could be a serviceable player.
If he could turn out to be like Teague I'd take him in a minute. OTOH if he's more like our former 7'3" center ( forgot name ) I'd pass.
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Lets remember with the Teague comparisons that his first 2 years were spent at Southern Illinios where he averaged 6 points and 5 boards in 17 minutes a game as a freshman and 9 and 5 in 21 as a soph.
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He's a d2 player
That's too bad. On paper, I liked the sound of both him and Prochet, and of course those two could maybe have been a pipeline to the big prize if he liked playing with both of them.
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Lets remember with the Teague comparisons that his first 2 years were spent at Southern Illinios where he averaged 6 points and 5 boards in 17 minutes a game as a freshman and 9 and 5 in 21 as a soph.
That's ok. I don't expect much his first 2 years as long as he progresses. We do need size and bulk. Tired of watching our guys get outrebounded by bigger less talented players. Yes, I'm aware there are other skills involved in rebounding that we don't employ. We need a space eater albeit one that doesn't have super skills. If Gift were a legit 6'10", 270 that would be nice.
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http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1597788 (http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1597788)
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With the way our coaching staff has developed our current players do we really want a project here.
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CTK is playing on the CBS Sports Network tonight against Montverde. Not sure what time the game is though
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CTK is playing on the CBS Sports Network tonight against Montverde. Not sure what time the game is though
Thanks
I look forward to watching a game with players we will probably never get :)
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I'd like to see a double double out of him so I can go back to the idea of wanting him here.
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"For a large portion of their game with hometown favorites Springfield (Mo.) Kickapoo, favored Middle Village (N.Y.) Christ the King was in big trouble. Kickapoo kept making timely threes and had healthy support from the hometown crowd. On top of that, CTK's star player Rawle Alkins the No. 19 player in the class of 2016 was having a tough night shooting the ball.
However, as Kickapoo's zone packed even tighter into the lane daring the CTK guards to shoot, the biggest player on the floor came up huge for the Royals as 6-foot-10, 300 pound senior center Adonis DeLaRosa bludgeoned the interior of Kickapoo's zone for a game-high 17 points in CTK's 49-46 win.
An enormous individual, DeLaRosa looks much improved since Rivals.com last saw him in the summer. He is moving better and is much more assertive on the block. He was demonstrative in calling for the ball and then showed off nice hands and very soft touch around the rim once he got the ball. Moving forward, college programs will want to shave some weight off of him and he'll need to be more of a rim protector, but the three-star prospect can play the game at a pretty high level. His coach, Joe Arbitello, mentioned St. John's, Fordham, Florida State and Rutgers among his offers. - See more at: http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1598795#sthash.W7zF8XlH.3YnN1rVl.dpuf (http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1598795#sthash.W7zF8XlH.3YnN1rVl.dpuf)
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His coach, Joe Arbitello, mentioned St. John's, Fordham, Florida State and Rutgers among his offers.
You mean no offers from Georgetown, Kansas, UConn, etc, etc? Like I said, there is a difference between interest and offer. These programs hadn't offered him regardless of what some web site stated.
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I wonder why Xavier isn't on this kid after the success they've had with the fat kid from Teen Wolf. That kid is the most coordinated big man I've seen in years. I bet he's the kind of fat guy that can really dance well and get everybody laughing.
They could redshirt him for a year like they do to 2/3's of their roster.
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He's a d2 player
He Is going d1 probably mid major. Texas tech is strong on him
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Speaking of Adonis, what happened to his brother Joey DelaRosa? I see he is no longer at Florida International.
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@ctkcoachjarbs: CK 66 - Xaverian 56. Rawle Alkins 15 pts 11 reb, Bryler Paige 12 pts 6 reb, Tyrone Cohen 11 pts Adonis 9, 11 reb 3 blocks
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@ctkcoachjarbs: 75-72 over St Francis DelaRosa 20pts 15reb, Walker 14 pts 6 stls 5 assts, Atson 12 pts 10 rebs,and Alkins 20 pts 4 rebs 2 assts (miss. 20ft)
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Doomed...
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Doomed...
I get royalties whenever someone says that on these boards
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just picked up an offer from South Carolina
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CTK & Loughlin have big game Friday. If we are serious about him, perhaps Lav ventures out of SoHo to see him. If not, maybe Chiles?
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Win over St. Francis Prep yesterday;
Adonis Delarosa, the big 6'11" senior, was able to back his way in and score, while also cleaning up on the glass, and finishing with ease around the rim. He had 11 points at the half, and Rawle Alkins< had 10 as well as the Royals closed the half on an 8-1 run to take a 36-31 lead into the break, and Delarosa knew going in that his size would be a big factor in the game.
"I know no one they have can guard me if I keep the ball high so I just tried to imposed my will and shoot over them," Delarosa said.
Delarosa led Christ the King with 22 points and 14 rebounds, while Alkins had 18, along with a big block late in the game as well. Walker and Travis Atson also added 14 and 12 respectively in the win. A win in which Arbitello was excited about because of how good he feels the Terriers are. - See more at: http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1603290#sthash.zSh8QRvc.dpuf (http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1603290#sthash.zSh8QRvc.dpuf)
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Watching tonight...he has gotten much better we want him.
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@CNG_Staszewski: Mike Williams tried to dunk on Adonis Delarosa on fast break. Delarosa hit him hard. Williams landed hard and was face down on the court.
Adonis ejected.
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@CNG_Staszewski: Delarosa was ejected from the game. Both Tony Chiles and Rico Hines left the gym right after that. #boyshoops
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Fwiw;
@courtcred: Sources tell me Christ the King's Adonis De La Rosa will commit to Georgetown in the Spring...
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@CNG_Staszewski: Delarosa was ejected from the game. Both Tony Chiles and Rico Hines left the gym right after that. #boyshoops
So he was the only reason they were at the game? No interest in Alkins?
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What they didn't sy was how he got punched in his face by a fan after that foul
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What they didn't sy was how he got punched in his face by a fan after that foul
CHSAA turning into the PSAL?
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@CNG_Staszewski: Delarosa was ejected from the game. Both Tony Chiles and Rico Hines left the gym right after that. #boyshoops
Rush to get to Super Bowl Party?
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I would be shocked of he didn't go to St. John's
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@CNG_Staszewski: Delarosa was ejected from the game. Both Tony Chiles and Rico Hines left the gym right after that. #boyshoops
So he was the only reason they were at the game? No interest in Alkins?
I hear Alkins grades are zoo bad he may not make it to college. A lot can change though.
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Alkins grades are zoo bad he may not make it to college.
You're lion.
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Alkins grades are zoo bad he may not make it to college.
You're lion.
Why am I laughing so hard? The best kind of humor. Extremely subtle, yet clever!
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"But Friday's game had a high range of emotions, along with plenty of physical play. A rough foul by Christ the King center Adonis Delarosa not only led to the senior’s ejection, but also briefly halted the game midway through the third quarter.
Both teams did an effective job calming down what was a highly charged atmosphere and helped to resume the ballgame that came down to an exciting conclusion.
“There’s no play for that in our league and in our game and in varsity basketball and you don’t want to see someone get hurt,” Bishop Loughlin coach Ed Gonzalez said. “Things happened out there. It's unfortunate. This is a heated rivalry but we know we need to play the game the right way and settle it on the court.”
Minutes before tipoff, players from both sides jawed at one another. Issak Bodon of Bishop Loughlin and Royals forward Travis Atson was each assessed a double technical foul in the second quarter.
With Bishop Loughlin leading 48-44 with 4:31 left in the third quarter, Rutgers bound Mike Williams received a pass and drove hard to the basket from the left baseline when 6-foot-11 Christ the King center Adonis Delarosa stepped in front of the Lions senior guard.
Delarosa barreled into Williams and the force of the collision sent the Lions senior landing hard to the floor and causing a gash to open up in the back of his head.
Two people from the crowd quickly rushed to the floor, with one shoving his arms to the back of the head of Delarosa, and the other attempting to land a punch towards the Royals player. Both were stopped from doing more harm as school officials and coaches quickly stepped in to escort the pair from the building.
Delarosa was promptly ejected from the game with a flagrant foul and may receive a two-game suspension for his actions. Williams (14 points) got up after a few minutes and walked under his own power, but he was taken to the hospital to stich up a gash in the back of his head.
Christ the King coach Joe Aribtello was displeased by his center’s actions, but praised cooler heads from both sides prevailing when the emotions of the moment could have led to something worse happening.
“It was out of control. We were as fault as much as they were at fault,” Arbitello said. “I told my guys and we huddled up there, next guy to say a word and Eddie [Gonzalez] agreed, will sit on the bench for the rest of the game, next guy to talk to somebody, push somebody do anything like that is done. And the play with Adonis was just ridiculous.”
- See more at: http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/bishop-loughlin-holds-off-christ-the-king-1.1566050#sthash.vCOttKDz.dpuf (http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/bishop-loughlin-holds-off-christ-the-king-1.1566050#sthash.vCOttKDz.dpuf)
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""I knew it was going to be an easy win so I had faith in my guys," said Delarosa, who declined to discuss the suspension and will start taking his official college visits in late February. St. John's, Fordham and South Carolina have recruited him the hardest, he said. "I felt okay watching from the sideline but it still hurts because I wanted to be out there," he went on. "We come back Sunday and play Loughlin, so it should be an interesting game. We're not going to back down."
http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/win-royal-breeze-ck-article-1.1602381@_jerrysantiago (http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/win-royal-breeze-ck-article-1.1602381@_jerrysantiago)
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@AdamZagoria: 2014 Christ the King big man Adonis Dela Rosa will visit St. John's and South Carolina this month. Possibly Feb. 13 on SC,per @ctkcoachjarbs
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""I knew it was going to be an easy win so I had faith in my guys," said Delarosa, who declined to discuss the suspension and will start taking his official college visits in late February. St. John's, Fordham and South Carolina have recruited him the hardest, he said. "I felt okay watching from the sideline but it still hurts because I wanted to be out there," he went on. "We come back Sunday and play Loughlin, so it should be an interesting game. We're not going to back down."
http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/win-royal-breeze-ck-article-1.1602381@_jerrysantiago (http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/win-royal-breeze-ck-article-1.1602381@_jerrysantiago)
Not sure why but that comment bothers me. Calling a game an easy win is a sign of immaturity
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I think its just something that 17 year old High School seniors say.
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I like lavin's odds against that nut job Frank Martin. Hopefully kid commits and keeps getting body in shape. A 6 11" kid with a soft touch is a valuable commodity. As for gtown he should want to get far away from Josh Smith. They will both be 350 pounds in each other's company lol
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"“He’s lost about 40 or 50 pounds,” Arbitello said recently. “He [could] lose another 30 when he gets to college. He has great hands, great feet. He’s a post player. The way the game has evolved in college, he’s not one of these 6-10 real athletic guys but he is a 6-11 back-to-the-basket guy that teams have a tough time defending because they don’t see it a lot.”
According to the Daily News, De La Rosa is currently serving a two-game suspension for a flagrant foul against Rutgers-bound guard Mike Williams of Bishop Loughlin.
zagsblog.com/recruiting/de-la-rosa-plann...uth-carolina-visits/
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"“He’s lost about 40 or 50 pounds,” Arbitello said recently. “He [could] lose another 30 when he gets to college. He has great hands, great feet. He’s a post player. The way the game has evolved in college, he’s not one of these 6-10 real athletic guys but he is a 6-11 back-to-the-basket guy that teams have a tough time defending because they don’t see it a lot.”
According to the Daily News, De La Rosa is currently serving a two-game suspension for a flagrant foul against Rutgers-bound guard Mike Williams of Bishop Loughlin.
zagsblog.com/recruiting/de-la-rosa-plann...uth-carolina-visits/
As much as Lavin likes athletes who can run you can't run all the time or even most of the time as you can see us trying to run a half court offense most of the time especially late in games running clock and trying to hold leads. A skilled big you can dump the ball down to down low with good hands and footwork can be invaluable to any team. Could be a good get if he can develop. As Lou used to say-big men come slow.
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I agree...after seeing him recently i think he is worth a shot......certainly to clog up the middle and eat up some fouls.....he has real soft hands.....definitely has some potential.....and who knows, if he lose some more weight maybe he could run with us some...
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Adonis returns from his WWE suspension in a revenge game at home v. Loughlin on Sunday, 2/9.
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Do you know what time the game is? Time to go before Creighton?
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Do you know what time the game is? Time to go before Creighton?
In exchange for you not starting 100 new threads this week, 3:30 at CTK.
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Thanks, but I don't make promises.
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@AdamZagoria: South Carolina coach Frank Martin will watch 2014 big man Adonis Dela Rosa tomorrow when Christ the King plays Loughlin.
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@AdamZagoria: South Carolina coach Frank Martin will watch 2014 big man Adonis Dela Rosa tomorrow when Christ the King plays Loughlin.
So he's going to be going from Tennessee today all the way to NY tomorrow.
WOW
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Joseph Staszewski @CNG_Staszewski 1h
Adonis Delarosa has been the difference today. CK up 51-41 with 3:43 left in the game.
Joseph Staszewski @CNG_Staszewski 52m
Delarosa camps a big performance with a baseline dunk and a block down the other other end. CK up 64-46 with 56.2 seconds left in the game.
Joseph Staszewski @CNG_Staszewski 21m
Adonis Delarosa scored 23 points and grabbed 12 rebounds with South Carolina coach Frank Martin looking on. #chsaa
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Martin there, where was Lavin? :) :) :) :) :)
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Martin there, where was Lavin? :) :) :) :) :)
sent deRosa a tape of "Crazy" Frank coaching at SJU last season--pictures tell a lot
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Martin there, where was Lavin? :) :) :) :) :)
sent deRosa a tape of "Crazy" Frank coaching at SJU last season--pictures tell a lot
Weird thing is many players at KSU liked playing for him. Personally, I like coach Lav's style of coaching much better.
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http://www.newyorkbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/02/royals-big-man-returns-in-big-way-to.html (http://www.newyorkbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/02/royals-big-man-returns-in-big-way-to.html)
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@ctkcoachjarbs: CK 99 - Bklyn Law & Tech 82....Adonis DeLaRosa 30 pts 17 reb, Rawle Alkins 20 pts 6 reb, Andre Walker 10 pts 18 assists
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@ctkcoachjarbs: CK 99 - Bklyn Law & Tech 82....Adonis DeLaRosa 30 pts 17 reb, Rawle Alkins 20 pts 6 reb, Andre Walker 10 pts 18 assists
Hey Paultzman, I recall you not being too high on DeLaRossa, despite his size. Have you seen him play recently, and if so, has your initial view of his potential changed? Seems to me his numbers have been steadily improving, but I haven't seen him play.
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I agree w you...and have seen him play recently......I think we would definitely want to take a shot with him. And i'd like to know what Paultzman thinks too.
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@ctkcoachjarbs: CK 99 - Bklyn Law & Tech 82....Adonis DeLaRosa 30 pts 17 reb, Rawle Alkins 20 pts 6 reb, Andre Walker 10 pts 18 assists
Hey Paultzman, I recall you not being too high on DeLaRossa, despite his size. Have you seen him play recently, and if so, has your initial view of his potential changed? Seems to me his numbers have been steadily improving, but I haven't seen him play.
I saw his last couple of games on MSG Varsity. I have always acknowledged his passing, good hands and court sense. My reservations have more to do with his work ethic & need to shed pounds. Recently, I have become more optimistic about his development & would be fine with him joining SJU. It appears he certainly could take Gift's spot and perhaps staff could get help him develop into a functional big man. Both JPM14 & Tom Konchalski believe Adonis can be a very good BE big, provided he continues to work. God knows they know more than me, so I hope we get him.
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@ctkcoachjarbs: CK 99 - Bklyn Law & Tech 82....Adonis DeLaRosa 30 pts 17 reb, Rawle Alkins 20 pts 6 reb, Andre Walker 10 pts 18 assists
Hey Paultzman, I recall you not being too high on DeLaRossa, despite his size. Have you seen him play recently, and if so, has your initial view of his potential changed? Seems to me his numbers have been steadily improving, but I haven't seen him play.
I saw his last couple of games on MSG Varsity. I have always acknowledged his passing, good hands and court sense. My reservations have more to do with his work ethic & need to shed pounds. Recently, I have become more optimistic about his development & would be fine with him joining SJU. It appears he certainly could take Gift's spot and perhaps staff could get help him develop into a functional big man. Both JPM14 & Tom Konchalski believe Adonis can be a very good BE big, provided he continues to work. God knows they know more than me, so I hope we get him.
He's got size and hands that Gift doesn't have. He's a ton taller and a true center. He'd be a problem right away for teams as he's a guy that you can dump the ball into and he's going to score. He's tough physically to move. Agree his conditioning is his biggest issue, but he's producing enough on the court thus far this season to give the impression that he is putting in some work. They'll get him into shape at SJU.
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He is going to love 17's!
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@ctkcoachjarbs: CK 99 - Bklyn Law & Tech 82....Adonis DeLaRosa 30 pts 17 reb, Rawle Alkins 20 pts 6 reb, Andre Walker 10 pts 18 assists
Hey Paultzman, I recall you not being too high on DeLaRossa, despite his size. Have you seen him play recently, and if so, has your initial view of his potential changed? Seems to me his numbers have been steadily improving, but I haven't seen him play.
I saw his last couple of games on MSG Varsity. I have always acknowledged his passing, good hands and court sense. My reservations have more to do with his work ethic & need to shed pounds. Recently, I have become more optimistic about his development & would be fine with him joining SJU. It appears he certainly could take Gift's spot and perhaps staff could get help him develop into a functional big man. Both JPM14 & Tom Konchalski believe Adonis can be a very good BE big, provided he continues to work. God knows they know more than me, so I hope we get him.
He's got size and hands that Gift doesn't have. He's a ton taller and a true center. He'd be a problem right away for teams as he's a guy that you can dump the ball into and he's going to score. He's tough physically to move. Agree his conditioning is his biggest issue, but he's producing enough on the court thus far this season to give the impression that he is putting in some work. They'll get him into shape at SJU.
Obviously he is bigger and has better hands. My Gift reference has to do with anticipated minutes. They can give him modest minutes and develop him. I don't see him as an impact freshman and think SJU will have to bring in a JUCO or fifth transfer with more seasoning to absorb some or all of Sanchez minutes.
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@ctkcoachjarbs: CK 99 - Bklyn Law & Tech 82....Adonis DeLaRosa 30 pts 17 reb, Rawle Alkins 20 pts 6 reb, Andre Walker 10 pts 18 assists
Hey Paultzman, I recall you not being too high on DeLaRossa, despite his size. Have you seen him play recently, and if so, has your initial view of his potential changed? Seems to me his numbers have been steadily improving, but I haven't seen him play.
I saw his last couple of games on MSG Varsity. I have always acknowledged his passing, good hands and court sense. My reservations have more to do with his work ethic & need to shed pounds. Recently, I have become more optimistic about his development & would be fine with him joining SJU. It appears he certainly could take Gift's spot and perhaps staff could get help him develop into a functional big man. Both JPM14 & Tom Konchalski believe Adonis can be a very good BE big, provided he continues to work. God knows they know more than me, so I hope we get him.
He's got size and hands that Gift doesn't have. He's a ton taller and a true center. He'd be a problem right away for teams as he's a guy that you can dump the ball into and he's going to score. He's tough physically to move. Agree his conditioning is his biggest issue, but he's producing enough on the court thus far this season to give the impression that he is putting in some work. They'll get him into shape at SJU.
Obviously he is bigger and has better hands. My Gift reference has to do with anticipated minutes. They can give him modest minutes and develop him. I don't see him as an impact freshman and think SJU will have to bring in a JUCO or fifth transfer with more seasoning to absorb some or all of Sanchez minutes.
I'm not sure that I'd want both Delarosa and a JUCO big. I'd rather Lavin have fewer options in the front court so the 4 guards (harrison greene branch jordan) dominate the minutes. Delarosa averaging between 5-10 mpg is more than enough with Jakarr, CO, Jones and Dom all returning (assuming they do indeed return).
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If he does come here, let's hope he has or develops Gift's hustle, conditioning and work ethic.
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@ctkcoachjarbs: CK 99 - Bklyn Law & Tech 82....Adonis DeLaRosa 30 pts 17 reb, Rawle Alkins 20 pts 6 reb, Andre Walker 10 pts 18 assists
Please don't get to excited , the tallest person on the opposing team is 6'3. This team isn't even a top tier class team they play in the mid division in they city "single class A" a side note though is that they have a kid named Matt Scott 6'3 combo who I believe is the most underrated kid in the city, gave Lincoln 30+ and Christ the King 30+ in back to back games. And has no div 1 offers. But Adonis was supposed to have 50 this game no one wishing 100 pounds of him on the other team and no one within 8 inches of him
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@ctkcoachjarbs: CK 99 - Bklyn Law & Tech 82....Adonis DeLaRosa 30 pts 17 reb, Rawle Alkins 20 pts 6 reb, Andre Walker 10 pts 18 assists
Hey Paultzman, I recall you not being too high on DeLaRossa, despite his size. Have you seen him play recently, and if so, has your initial view of his potential changed? Seems to me his numbers have been steadily improving, but I haven't seen him play.
I saw his last couple of games on MSG Varsity. I have always acknowledged his passing, good hands and court sense. My reservations have more to do with his work ethic & need to shed pounds. Recently, I have become more optimistic about his development & would be fine with him joining SJU. It appears he certainly could take Gift's spot and perhaps staff could get help him develop into a functional big man. Both JPM14 & Tom Konchalski believe Adonis can be a very good BE big, provided he continues to work. God knows they know more than me, so I hope we get him.
He's got size and hands that Gift doesn't have. He's a ton taller and a true center. He'd be a problem right away for teams as he's a guy that you can dump the ball into and he's going to score. He's tough physically to move. Agree his conditioning is his biggest issue, but he's producing enough on the court thus far this season to give the impression that he is putting in some work. They'll get him into shape at SJU.
Obviously he is bigger and has better hands. My Gift reference has to do with anticipated minutes. They can give him modest minutes and develop him. I don't see him as an impact freshman and think SJU will have to bring in a JUCO or fifth transfer with more seasoning to absorb some or all of Sanchez minutes.
I'm not sure that I'd want both Delarosa and a JUCO big. I'd rather Lavin have fewer options in the front court so the 4 guards (harrison greene branch jordan) dominate the minutes. Delarosa averaging between 5-10 mpg is more than enough with Jakarr, CO, Jones and Dom all returning (assuming they do indeed return).
I agree. I'd rather pickup a JUCO or late bloomer/recently released HS wing. There are a ton of guys that can hit threes, defend, and hit the glass but not much else. We don't need a ball handler or creator.
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If he does come here, let's hope he has or develops Gift's hustle, conditioning and work ethic.
Doesn't that kill you when you see a player that is so driven, but lacking in the physical "Gifts" category? I hope DeLaRosa gets half of Gift's motivation and good attitude.
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If he does come here, let's hope he has or develops Gift's hustle, conditioning and work ethic.
Doesn't that kill you when you see a player that is so driven, but lacking in the physical "Gifts" category? I hope DeLaRosa gets half of Gift's motivation and good attitude.
I'll gladly roll with GG over Sanchez and live and die by what he gives us. His effort is undeniable and you can instantly tell with just a peripheral glance who is in the game based on the activity after the shot goes up. If he had better hands he'd average at least another board per game, but you at least know he's going after everything near him and that is so refreshing after watching two of our players not even try.
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If he does come here, let's hope he has or develops Gift's hustle, conditioning and work ethic.
Doesn't that kill you when you see a player that is so driven, but lacking in the physical "Gifts" category? I hope DeLaRosa gets half of Gift's motivation and good attitude.
I'll gladly roll with GG over Sanchez and live and die by what he gives us. His effort is undeniable and you can instantly tell with just a peripheral glance who is in the game based on the activity after the shot goes up. If he had better hands he'd average at least another board per game, but you at least know he's going after everything near him and that is so refreshing after watching two of our players not even try.
Uhhh no
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If he does come here, let's hope he has or develops Gift's hustle, conditioning and work ethic.
Doesn't that kill you when you see a player that is so driven, but lacking in the physical "Gifts" category? I hope DeLaRosa gets half of Gift's motivation and good attitude.
I'll gladly roll with GG over Sanchez and live and die by what he gives us. His effort is undeniable and you can instantly tell with just a peripheral glance who is in the game based on the activity after the shot goes up. If he had better hands he'd average at least another board per game, but you at least know he's going after everything near him and that is so refreshing after watching two of our players not even try.
Way off on this one Marillac
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I think Gift adds value when we need some energy off the bench, some activity on the glass or an interior guy to bang with another team's post player who is hurting us. That said, Sanchez is way more skilled as an all around player. So I'd much refer Orlando getting more minutes, as he has.
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At the GTown game...he is a pretty imposing figure
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Not as out of shape as I expected.
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My guess is its between us and Georgetown. Hopefully last night swayed him.
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I'm still not convince he can play at this level
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kob do u think we should pass?
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So what do we think in %? 50% for us and what is role. Backup center?
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Its hard to pass if there is not another quality big wanting to play for us. I don't know of any quality bigs on our radar.
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We missed out on all of top 2014 targets. A 3-star center is not a bad pick up this late in the game. I assume we'll start hearing more about JUCO players and potential transfers soon. Lavin always seems to be full of surprises, so you never know.
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@ctkcoachjarbs: Boston university was in to see Andre walker today. Pitt and Rutgers where in to see Adonis Delarosa.
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@Panther247: Pitt's Barry Rorhssen was recently evaluating center Adonis Delarosa (6-11 185) - huge '5' that will only improve with conditioning. #Pitt
Guess he meant 285.
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I'm still not convince he can play at this level
Do you think he could be a good 8th man off bench giving 10 good minutes by Soph/Jr year? Maryland has Damonte Dodd as a raw recruit who is giving some good minutes here and there the 2nd half of season, but he's really raw. I think by Jr year, a kid like DelaRosa could work his way into a solid role. Then again, who knows. It depends what he wants to make out of his college career.
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I'm still not convince he can play at this level
Do you think he could be a good 8th man off bench giving 10 good minutes by Soph/Jr year? Maryland has Damonte Dodd as a raw recruit who is giving some good minutes here and there the 2nd half of season, but he's really raw. I think by Jr year, a kid like DelaRosa could work his way into a solid role. Then again, who knows. It depends what he wants to make out of his college career.
Kids his size with his skillset don't grow on trees. He will be able to play at this level by his 2nd year if he's serious about it
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@TheRecruitScoop: RT @CNG_Staszewski: 2014 Christ the King (NY) center Adonis Delarosa is attending the St. John's game tonight.
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@TheRecruitScoop: RT @CNG_Staszewski: 2014 Christ the King (NY) center Adonis Delarosa is attending the St. John's game tonight.
Someone else was there talking to him at halftime. Couldnt tell who.
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Kid and his family seem to like the Garden. If he's gonna get minutes and a chance to develop, I can't imagine why he would want to go elsewhere.
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From Mike Quick of MSG;
@Quick60: Adonis Delarosa ctk was great tonight
Y@Quick60: Christ the king big fella played like a major college player tonight @msg_varsity Molloy could do nothing w him ctk movin on 87-66 v Molloy
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Easy to pick Adonis out;
@NYCHoops: #CHSAA Brooklyn/Queens All-League Team #boyshoops http://t.co/r3rvlP7hON (http://t.co/r3rvlP7hON)
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Easy to pick Adonis out;
@NYCHoops: #CHSAA Brooklyn/Queens All-League Team #boyshoops http://t.co/r3rvlP7hON (http://t.co/r3rvlP7hON)
Kid is a Mack Truck! No one is pushing him around. Let's get him!
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/christ-king-meet-loughlin-b-q-title-game-article-1.1620535 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/christ-king-meet-loughlin-b-q-title-game-article-1.1620535)
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@timcolon: CTK vs Bishop Loughlin Tonight !!
Brooklyn / Queens Championship
@ St. Francis Prep - 7:00 PM
#bk vs #queens #BraggingRights #chsaa
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Kid is a Mack Truck! No one is pushing him around. Let's get him!
His head alone looks like it weighs 20 pounds.
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Easy to pick Adonis out;
@NYCHoops: #CHSAA Brooklyn/Queens All-League Team #boyshoops http://t.co/r3rvlP7hON (http://t.co/r3rvlP7hON)
Was it the crooked lip face? :)
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@rumbleSBN: CTK vs Loughlin box score. Adonis De La Rosa had 23, Rawle Alkins 17. MT @CerasolisGhost: Box score: http://t.co/UeAQ24CE4T (http://t.co/UeAQ24CE4T)
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This is the exact kind of space eater that this roster needs. 6'10,6'11 285 and he's pretty fluid for a kid his size. This roster needs this type of size if they want to compete with the big boys on the boards. I really hope the Johnnies snag him as I think he'll play a lot all 4 years.
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@ctkcoachjarbs: CK 77 - St Rays 53...Travis Atson 19 pts 11 reb, Adonis DeLaRosa 15 pts 12 reb, Andre Walker 14 pts 6 assists advance to final four.
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One evaluator's opinion. No need for "alley oop" plays;
@SteveKellerNRR: 2nd Semi saw Christ the King smoke St Raymond's 77-53/6'9 Sr Adonis Delarosa plays below rim but still gets it done/becoming serviceable HM
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Billy Singleton played below the rim very well for us. Dont always need a roster of highlight reel players. A weakside rebound or two next year would be a welcomed addition here.
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Billy Singleton played below the rim very well for us. Dont always need a roster of highlight reel players. A weakside rebound or two next year would be a welcomed addition here.
Played great for SJU but still got the worst TECH in the history of the program...
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billy would have taken Adonis brown paper bag lunch then given him a atomic wedgie followed by stuffing him in a locker.
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Maybe we should put SIngleton in a De la Rosa jersey and a full face mask, and claim that he is Adonis with a broken nose.
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@ctkcoachjarbs: Adonis Delarosa will make college decision on April 18.
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@msg_varsity: #MSGV_Live games airing Thurs: @fciac boys hoops final (Greenwich vs. Central); CHSAA AA intersect. semis (St. Peter's-Loughlin, CK-Hayes)
DelaRosa game streamed at 8
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Joseph Staszewski @CNG_Staszewski
@StJohnsBBall rolling three coaches deep today at Fordham, including Steve Lavin. #sjubb
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He didn't have an amazing game but he won the game with a three point play with under 20 seconds left. CK will play Loughlin on Sunday for the CHSAA Title.
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Is the champ game at Fordham?
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Is the champ game at Fordham?
Yes
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Was at the game. Adonis had some decent post moves, passed well and had nine rebounds. He still has lot of work to do, especially in fitness area. He does not get off the floor at all & that won't work at the next level. Good to see Whitesell, Chiles & Lavin.
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He had 12 points and either 9 or 10 boards, 1 assist. He has post moves. Arguably better than anyone on our team, not sure what that says. Problems are conditioning is horrible still and he can't jump over a phone book. Would still serve us a purpose and I stand by that. Helped them break a press reliable inbounds option. When he has the ball at the FT line he can shoot the jumper or make a nice cut pass which he did tonight.
I will say what I said after the game @Hall. I wish we had a former big man to teach Chris and I think Adonis can benefit from some first hand experience as well if he was to come here.
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Also needs to be noted. Lav was in his element. EVERYONE was coming up to him during the game. OTOH Pecora was there in his home gym and maybe 2 people came up to him and both times he was on his cell phone. Hall had Halloway and Antigua there as well.
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Also needs to be noted. Lav was in his element. EVERYONE was coming up to him during the game. OTOH Pecora was there in his home gym and maybe 2 people came up to him and both times he was on his cell phone. Hall had Halloway and Antigua there as well.
Everybody was going up to him because this is the first time CHSAA people have seen him at a game
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Also needs to be noted. Lav was in his element. EVERYONE was coming up to him during the game. OTOH Pecora was there in his home gym and maybe 2 people came up to him and both times he was on his cell phone. Hall had Halloway and Antigua there as well.
Everybody was going up to him because this is the first time CHSAA people have seen him at a game
Haha well played.
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He had 12 points and either 9 or 10 boards, 1 assist. He has post moves. Arguably better than anyone on our team, not sure what that says. Problems are conditioning is horrible still and he can't jump over a phone book. Would still serve us a purpose and I stand by that. Helped them break a press reliable inbounds option. When he has the ball at the FT line he can shoot the jumper or make a nice cut pass which he did tonight.
I will say what I said after the game @Hall. I wish we had a former big man to teach Chris and I think Adonis can benefit from some first hand experience as well if he was to come here.
Uh oh, when one of the best things you can say about a player is he is a good inbounds option. How is he at taking the ball from out of bounds and inbounding the ball? :) Just kidding and appreciate your scouting reports as well as those of our other fans. I would not mind at all signing this kid but agree it would be nice if his conditioning improves because you need to get off the floor a little bit at our level. Another important aspect of a kid like this is how quick he does things around the basket. One thing I dislike is a slow big who gets his shot stuffed down his throat near the basket.
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Adonis Delarosa will announce his college decision April 18 and has a top five of South Carolina, St. John’s, Fordham, Rutgers and Hofstra, Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello told SNY.tv.
http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/delarosa-to-announce-april-18/ (http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/delarosa-to-announce-april-18/)
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He had 12 points and either 9 or 10 boards, 1 assist. He has post moves. Arguably better than anyone on our team, not sure what that says. Problems are conditioning is horrible still and he can't jump over a phone book. Would still serve us a purpose and I stand by that. Helped them break a press reliable inbounds option. When he has the ball at the FT line he can shoot the jumper or make a nice cut pass which he did tonight.
I will say what I said after the game @Hall. I wish we had a former big man to teach Chris and I think Adonis can benefit from some first hand experience as well if he was to come here.
Moose,
Just from seeing him in the Daily News, I like his size. Wouldn't want to see him lose weight, just tighten up and get stronger. What would you say ?
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He had 12 points and either 9 or 10 boards, 1 assist. He has post moves. Arguably better than anyone on our team, not sure what that says. Problems are conditioning is horrible still and he can't jump over a phone book. Would still serve us a purpose and I stand by that. Helped them break a press reliable inbounds option. When he has the ball at the FT line he can shoot the jumper or make a nice cut pass which he did tonight.
I will say what I said after the game @Hall. I wish we had a former big man to teach Chris and I think Adonis can benefit from some first hand experience as well if he was to come here.
Moose,
Just from seeing him in the Daily News, I like his size. Wouldn't want to see him lose weight, just tighten up and get stronger. What would you say ?
He's lost a lot of weight already. I'm not Marillac and an expert on appropriate height weight ratio :)
He just needs to condition himself better. He is probably playing more and more than he has before when condition was even less. He is on the right track. Whatever college gets him of course will give him better resources to continue his transformation.
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He had 12 points and either 9 or 10 boards, 1 assist. He has post moves. Arguably better than anyone on our team, not sure what that says. Problems are conditioning is horrible still and he can't jump over a phone book. Would still serve us a purpose and I stand by that. Helped them break a press reliable inbounds option. When he has the ball at the FT line he can shoot the jumper or make a nice cut pass which he did tonight.
I will say what I said after the game @Hall. I wish we had a former big man to teach Chris and I think Adonis can benefit from some first hand experience as well if he was to come here.
Moose,
Just from seeing him in the Daily News, I like his size. Wouldn't want to see him lose weight, just tighten up and get stronger. What would you say ?
He's lost a lot of weight already. I'm not Marillac and an expert on appropriate height weight ratio :)
He just needs to condition himself better. He is probably playing more and more than he has before when condition was even less. He is on the right track. Whatever college gets him of course will give him better resources to continue his transformation.
If the size and skills are there but the conditioning needs work, that, IMO, is a no-brainer. You have to think DeLaRosa wants to succeed at the next level. In high school, being a 300 lbs mammoth in the middle is enough to be successful, so he's had little motivation to push himself. With the right staff, this kid could be a special player, and one that we SJU fans usually look at on another team and ask ourselves, "how did we miss him??!"
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He had 12 points and either 9 or 10 boards, 1 assist. He has post moves. Arguably better than anyone on our team, not sure what that says. Problems are conditioning is horrible still and he can't jump over a phone book. Would still serve us a purpose and I stand by that. Helped them break a press reliable inbounds option. When he has the ball at the FT line he can shoot the jumper or make a nice cut pass which he did tonight.
I will say what I said after the game @Hall. I wish we had a former big man to teach Chris and I think Adonis can benefit from some first hand experience as well if he was to come here.
Moose,
Just from seeing him in the Daily News, I like his size. Wouldn't want to see him lose weight, just tighten up and get stronger. What would you say ?
He's lost a lot of weight already. I'm not Marillac and an expert on appropriate height weight ratio :)
He just needs to condition himself better. He is probably playing more and more than he has before when condition was even less. He is on the right track. Whatever college gets him of course will give him better resources to continue his transformation.
If the size and skills are there but the conditioning needs work, that, IMO, is a no-brainer. You have to think DeLaRosa wants to succeed at the next level. In high school, being a 300 lbs mammoth in the middle is enough to be successful, so he's had little motivation to push himself. With the right staff, this kid could be a special player, and one that we SJU fans usually look at on another team and ask ourselves, "how did we miss him??!"
Have changed my mind on him. Worth the investment. Tom Konchalski thinks so as well. I saw his 6' 9" brother Joey there cheering Adonis on. He left FIU after two years.
edit - Just told more like 6'11
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I'd like to see him twelve weeks after he starts jumping rope many times a day ten minutes at a time. He has already made tremendous progress on his body. He has soft hands and a decent touch. He will be fun to watch as he gets better and better. It's not that he can't get up and down the court. It's that he needs work getting up into the air.
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I'd like to see him twelve weeks after he starts jumping rope many times a day ten minutes at a time. He has already made tremendous progress on his body. He has soft hands and a decent touch. He will be fun to watch as he gets better and better. It's not that he can't get up and down the court. It's that he needs work getting up into the air.
He struggles up and down the court and in the air. I'm less concerned about getting in the air. We have enough freakish athletes jumping out of building that wouldn't know a post move if it smacked them in the face. Plenty of players who couldnt jump over the Yellow Pages were craft and successful.
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Mostly agree, but it would be nice if he developed a six inch vertical. His wind is already way better than it was.
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He had 12 points and either 9 or 10 boards, 1 assist. He has post moves. Arguably better than anyone on our team, not sure what that says. Problems are conditioning is horrible still and he can't jump over a phone book. Would still serve us a purpose and I stand by that. Helped them break a press reliable inbounds option. When he has the ball at the FT line he can shoot the jumper or make a nice cut pass which he did tonight.
I will say what I said after the game @Hall. I wish we had a former big man to teach Chris and I think Adonis can benefit from some first hand experience as well if he was to come here.
Moose,
Just from seeing him in the Daily News, I like his size. Wouldn't want to see him lose weight, just tighten up and get stronger. What would you say ?
He's lost a lot of weight already. I'm not Marillac and an expert on appropriate height weight ratio :)
He just needs to condition himself better. He is probably playing more and more than he has before when condition was even less. He is on the right track. Whatever college gets him of course will give him better resources to continue his transformation.
Once he gets on a college conditioning program, assuming he works hard at it, sooner or later he'll be an Adonis. ;)
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He had 12 points and either 9 or 10 boards, 1 assist. He has post moves. Arguably better than anyone on our team, not sure what that says. Problems are conditioning is horrible still and he can't jump over a phone book. Would still serve us a purpose and I stand by that. Helped them break a press reliable inbounds option. When he has the ball at the FT line he can shoot the jumper or make a nice cut pass which he did tonight.
I will say what I said after the game @Hall. I wish we had a former big man to teach Chris and I think Adonis can benefit from some first hand experience as well if he was to come here.
Moose,
Just from seeing him in the Daily News, I like his size. Wouldn't want to see him lose weight, just tighten up and get stronger. What would you say ?
He's lost a lot of weight already. I'm not Marillac and an expert on appropriate height weight ratio :)
He just needs to condition himself better. He is probably playing more and more than he has before when condition was even less. He is on the right track. Whatever college gets him of course will give him better resources to continue his transformation.
I'm 6'1 235...I'd hardly qualify as an expert in height/weight ratio! I think everyone should put on 15 pounds of muscle.
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He's a big boy. Physically reminds me of Sean Evans or a taller Anthony Glover.
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1713667.1394165465!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image-1-1713667.jpg)
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He's really close to Teague of Hall. He is a little taller though and Teague is lot of muscle. Adonis still has the baby fat.
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Adonis Delarosa will announce his college decision April 18 and has a top five of South Carolina, St. John’s, Fordham, Rutgers and Hofstra, Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello told SNY.tv.
http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/delarosa-to-announce-april-18/ (http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/delarosa-to-announce-april-18/)
I have only seen a little video of this guy. Does it raise an eyebrow with anyone else that the other schools recruiting him have pretty bad programs? What's the upside here?
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Adonis Delarosa will announce his college decision April 18 and has a top five of South Carolina, St. John’s, Fordham, Rutgers and Hofstra, Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello told SNY.tv.
http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/delarosa-to-announce-april-18/ (http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/delarosa-to-announce-april-18/)
I have only seen a little video of this guy. Does it raise an eyebrow with anyone else that the other schools recruiting him have pretty bad programs? What's the upside here?
Exactly what I was thinking. Staff must be pulling a Norm.
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He's a big boy. Physically reminds me of Sean Evans or a taller Anthony Glover.
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1713667.1394165465!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image-1-1713667.jpg)
Atson looks huge there. How tall is he? First time I've seen a picture of him not screaming.
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He's a big boy. Physically reminds me of Sean Evans or a taller Anthony Glover.
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1713667.1394165465!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image-1-1713667.jpg)
Atson looks huge there. How tall is he? First time I've seen a picture of him not screaming.
He is 6'5 if lucky.
Relax
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Atson is MAAC player at best. Why all the love for him? Ask local evaluators like Konchalski & they will tell you Quinnipiac is a good fit.
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this is from a year ago.
1 | Christ The King High School ( Queens ) Vs Bishop Loughlin Memorial High School ( Brooklyn ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8U_-0faOCo#ws)
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Atson is MAAC player at best. Why all the love for him? Ask local evaluators like Konchalski & they will tell you Quinnipiac is a good fit.
I've mentioned him once in my life and I asked how tall he was. I wouldn't call that love.
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Havent seen the kid but with his size and good hands with an ability to score in the post, sign him up. Lack of hops is not a big deal, jumping overated. (see Jerry Lucas, wayne Embry, Dennis Rodman (rebounded mostly flatfooted). Shaq and, of course, Bird. Good interior movement and boxing out with a big ass goes a long way. He will get guys in foul trouble if he boxes out intelligently because they will try to jump over him. Conditioning is definitely the only issue but I love lower body size.
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The guy who was covering for Zagsblog tweeted and deleted that he talked to Lavin and Lavs said he liked Delarosa because he was "old school".
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The guy who was covering for Zagsblog tweeted and deleted that he talked to Lavin and Lavs said he liked Delarosa because he was "old school".
Good thing that got deleted before anybody from the NCAA violations office saw it
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The guy who was covering for Zagsblog tweeted and deleted that he talked to Lavin and Lavs said he liked Delarosa because he was "old school".
Good thing that got deleted before anybody from the NCAA violations office saw it
Tough to direct any blame there towards staff there. Stuff is always said. Reporter just was careless.
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Atson is MAAC player at best. Why all the love for him? Ask local evaluators like Konchalski & they will tell you Quinnipiac is a good fit.
I've mentioned him once in my life and I asked how tall he was. I wouldn't call that love.
Was probably reacting to guys on other site talking him up. Sorry
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The guy who was covering for Zagsblog tweeted and deleted that he talked to Lavin and Lavs said he liked Delarosa because he was "old school".
Good thing that got deleted before anybody from the NCAA violations office saw it
Tough to direct any blame there towards staff there. Stuff is always said. Reporter just was careless.
Amateur hour. I'm sure Lavin didn't refer to him specifically either.
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Havent seen the kid but with his size and good hands with an ability to score in the post, sign him up. Lack of hops is not a big deal, jumping overated. (see Jerry Lucas, wayne Embry, Dennis Rodman (rebounded mostly flatfooted). Shaq and, of course, Bird. Good interior movement and boxing out with a big ass goes a long way. He will get guys in foul trouble if he boxes out intelligently because they will try to jump over him. Conditioning is definitely the only issue but I love lower body size.
I agree. Our current roster proves that jumping doesn't mean you can rebound. You can box out like Charles Minlend and Ty Grant, and give us exactly what we need.
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Does anyone argue that boxing out and jumping a little is better than just boxing out? I'm all for recruiting him. And that was before TK.
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Does anyone argue that boxing out and jumping a little is better than just boxing out? I'm all for recruiting him. And that was before TK.
Well the current guys we have think they can out jump everyone and don't know how to box out.
The pickings are 'slim' ironically for 2014 so you take what you can get at this point. Your client knows that.
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Adonis Delarosa will announce his college decision April 18 and has a top five of South Carolina, St. John’s, Fordham, Rutgers and Hofstra, Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello told SNY.tv.
http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/delarosa-to-announce-april-18/ (http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/delarosa-to-announce-april-18/)
Well, it's realistically a 2 team race with Martin blowing another head gasket and Pecora self destructing. Rutgers is going to keep losing B1Gtime, so it's down to Hofstra and SJ's. Who wants to play in a depleted CAA? lol
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Here's the reality of the situation. We don't have any "bigs." He is a center, the type of space eater we need down low in the paint. Kids like this will help us establish a half court offense, something we clearly lack.
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Another big advantage to minimal jumping, harder to get the ankle sprains and metatarsal hairlines with under a 12 inch vertical. Boxing out is the key, another example, Bill Bradley, hall of fame and probably could not dunk, but a huge educated ass. Someone said old school, absolutely. Look up Jerry Lucas rebound stats
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@DelarosaJoey: I'm so proud of my little brother @adelarosa0920 .....chip game on Sunday
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JPM 14 blog with comments on DelaRosa improvement. His word and Konchalski's are good enough for me.
newyorkbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/03/r...ls-and-lions-to.html
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Lavin said about a month back that he wanted to add 3 from this class. And now he is close to signing extension. I see 3 from this group of 2014 prospects heading our way this spring. Lavin confident..we will get a few of these guys.
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Lavin said about a month back that he wanted to add 3 from this class. And now he is close to signing extension. I see 3 from this group of 2014 prospects heading our way this spring. Lavin confident..we will get a few of these guys.
What 3?
I see two legit targets in Delarosa and Henderson. Lav actually said 3-4 which scares me a bit.
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Lavin said about a month back that he wanted to add 3 from this class. And now he is close to signing extension. I see 3 from this group of 2014 prospects heading our way this spring. Lavin confident..we will get a few of these guys.
What 3?
I see two legit targets in Delarosa and Henderson. Lav actually said 3-4 which scares me a bit.
Maybe he will encourage someone to leave to make room for a dynamite sleeper! ;) :)
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That's why it matters who is leaving.
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That's why it matters who is leaving.
Lets make the 2nd week of the NCAA's then everyone can leave, I wouldn't care.
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51395/davante-gardner (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51395/davante-gardner)
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I liked Adonis' skill set and tools from the start. He just has a long way to go with conditioning. It's not just that he's overweight. He's also no strong enough for his size. He's got a long way to go there, but I'm not worried about that if he's willing to work at it. Roy Hibbert was similar coming out of hs. For a guy his size though, Delarosa has good feet and hands and offensive ability. With development, he can be extremely hard to stop inside and a guy that csnt be moved. He's also no tweeter height-wise. He may not be 7ft but needs to be near 6'11 judging from how much bigger than Sanchez he was standing next to him.
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Marco is a senior too
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Adonis beginning to sound like George Mikan! :)
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Does he wear glasses? LOL :)
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@ctkcoachjarbs: Jim Larrañaga just offered Adonis Delarosa. He now holds offers from St. John's Fordham Hofstra South Carolina and Miami. Congrats
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I see two legit targets in Delarosa and Henderson. Lav actually said 3-4 which scares me a bit.
Do you have a particular one or two guys that are scaring you? Or just scared in general?
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I see two legit targets in Delarosa and Henderson. Lav actually said 3-4 which scares me a bit.
Do you have a particular one or two guys that are scaring you? Or just scared in general?
I always fear losing Jordan, with family needs. Branch, with his 12 minutes a game too often, comes to mind as well. That said, this would be JB's second transfer & he only has year left. Know you directed this to Moose, but thought I'd chime in.
Hopefully nobody moves on.
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@msg_varsity: #MSGV_Live Today at 3pm, watch the @CHSAA_NYC 'AA' boys hoops final LIVE. @ctk_basketball vs. @BLoughlinMHS. Preview: http://t.co/B3PjQXbGb3 (http://t.co/B3PjQXbGb3)
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I see two legit targets in Delarosa and Henderson. Lav actually said 3-4 which scares me a bit.
Do you have a particular one or two guys that are scaring you? Or just scared in general?
Obviously some are more important than others. The soon to be seniors aren't going anywhere. Or the redshirts. I just don't like the turnover. Turnover is expected but we have been experiencing too much IMO and APR looms.
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I see two legit targets in Delarosa and Henderson. Lav actually said 3-4 which scares me a bit.
Do you have a particular one or two guys that are scaring you? Or just scared in general?
Obviously some are more important than others. The soon to be seniors aren't going anywhere. Or the redshirts. I just don't like the turnover. Turnover is expected but we have been experiencing too much IMO and APR looms.
Agree. Only one we could lose is Rysheed, but I think he could really use one more year. He'd enter NBA as a first rounder next year. Draft isn't as strong as this year and Rysheed will be a year better and stronger.
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/live-christ-the-king-vs-bishop-loughlin-chsaa-aa-intersectional-boys-basketball-final-1.1580796 (http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/live-christ-the-king-vs-bishop-loughlin-chsaa-aa-intersectional-boys-basketball-final-1.1580796)
The game is streaming live for free.
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thanks for link harkless
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Had a quiet 1st half. Picked up 2 fouls in the 1st qtr, played most of the 2nd with those 2 fouls but wasnt involved much. A bit too much of an up and down game for him.
Watching Loughlin and it upsets me that we didnt really put in an effort for Mike Williams. Hes going to be a great 4 year player for Rutgers
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Bad first half for Adonis missing a couple of easy ones but has a few rebounds, CK leads at half though .
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We would basically have to abandon a zone when Delarosa comes into the game. Him rotating to cover someone could take 5mins.
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15 boards in win. Game was a little quick for him on offensive end.
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He finished with 10 and 15, grabbed huge boards down the stretch. CK wins the city chip again! Yay! (Class of '07)
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Finished with 15 rebs. Had a couple big rebounds and a big putback late, but not his best game because Alkins and Atson took over.
If he does commit here people are going to have to be patient with him. He won't be a force in his freshman year like many of Lav's other guys but he will have a nice career if he puts the work in
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@AdamZagoria: 6-11 Adonis Delarosa Says He’s Wide Open: Lists Miami, Georgetown, Purdue, St. John's, South Carolina among others http://t.co/5IAT12ukdM (http://t.co/5IAT12ukdM)
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He will get a ton more mobile with hard work and conditioning. Like I said, remember Roy Hibbert his freshman season. He was glued to the floor and ran the court like Delarosa. He lost a ton of weight and got in tons better shape and became a very good player.
An article on Hibbert which has some common issues as Delarosa has..
http://grantland.com/features/how-indiana-pacers-all-star-center-roy-hibbert-avoided-becoming-stiff/ (http://grantland.com/features/how-indiana-pacers-all-star-center-roy-hibbert-avoided-becoming-stiff/)
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Having watched Delarosa play several times this he's only going to get in better shape on a college program and he's got a nice skillset down low. His rebounding alone is much needed for this team and add his scoring and he'd be a nice pickup. The Johnnies need one or two big 6'10, 6'11 guys.
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Having watched Delarosa play several times this he's only going to get in better shape on a college program and he's got a nice skillset down low. His rebounding alone is much needed for this team and add his scoring and he'd be a nice pickup. The Johnnies need one or two big 6'10, 6'11 guys.
Teams with bigs are backing Obekpa down. Won't be able to do that with Adonis. Like I said, I really hope he buys in if we do land him. He has a ton of work yet to do. I saw an article which lists him at 267. No way is he 267. He's still near 300 with his frame.
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Having watched Delarosa play several times this he's only going to get in better shape on a college program and he's got a nice skillset down low. His rebounding alone is much needed for this team and add his scoring and he'd be a nice pickup. The Johnnies need one or two big 6'10, 6'11 guys.
Teams with bigs are backing Obekpa down. Won't be able to do that with Adonis. Like I said, I really hope he buys in if we do land him. He has a ton of work yet to do. I saw an article which lists him at 267. No way is he 267. He's still near 300 with his frame.
Agree completely. The lack of bulk at the center spot has been an Achilles heel for us all season. Adding Delarosa, even if he plays sparingly at first, would certainly help change that, especially with Gift gone.
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@CNG_Staszewski: CK and Dozo have taken taken the court. Frank Martin (South Carolina), Danny Hurley (Rhode Island) here to watch. #federation
Martin still trying to get Adonis.
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@NYCHoops: 54-51 CHrist the King beats Cardozo in OT in Class AA state semifinal
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How did Adonis do?
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How did Adonis do?
13 points;
http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/royals-beat-cardozo-in-ot-to-reach-aa-final-1.1586902 (http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/royals-beat-cardozo-in-ot-to-reach-aa-final-1.1586902)
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"Senior Andre Walker scored 25 points for CK before fouling out. Sophomore Rawle Alkins had nine points and senior big man Adonis Delarosa finished with six points, 13 rebounds and three blocks. Alkins hit a pair of free throws with with 4:31 to take its first lead of the game, 49-48." Article;
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/royal-comeback-ck-rallies-win-state-federation-basketball-title-article-1.1730827 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/royal-comeback-ck-rallies-win-state-federation-basketball-title-article-1.1730827)
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Second straight State Federation title for CK! Woo!
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Says he got recent offers from Georgia and Miami and will cut down his list in the next week or two.
Also says his brother is now student at SJU but that will not have an impact on his decision:
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1623241#sthash.GJUzmIxI.dpbs (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1623241#sthash.GJUzmIxI.dpbs)
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Says he got recent offers from Georgia and Miami and will cut down his list in the next week or two.
Also says his brother is now student at SJU but that will not have an impact on his decision:
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1623241#sthash.GJUzmIxI.dpbs (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1623241#sthash.GJUzmIxI.dpbs)
May be just saying it doesn't matter his brother is here because he doesn't want to tip his hand. Wants to keep it a mystery until his announcement and saying it is a factor would be a give away.
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@CNG_Staszewski: CK and Dozo have taken taken the court. Frank Martin (South Carolina), Danny Hurley (Rhode Island) here to watch. #federation
Martin still trying to get Adonis.
Martin still pressing the issue...(http://kentuckysports.co/images/KansasStatevKansasFCWbzX8A5oHl.jpg)
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He will announce on April 18th. This is his twitter: @adelarosa0920. Hasn't tipped his hand at all.
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@AdamZagoria: Adonis Delarosa set to announce April 18, could now do it at Jordan Game since he was picked for Regional Game. @ctkcoachjarbs
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Is this now a must get?
I am not seeing many other updated posts on the rest of the players.
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@AdamZagoria: Adonis Delarosa set to announce April 18, could now do it at Jordan Game since he was picked for Regional Game. @ctkcoachjarbs
Congrats on being picked for the Regional Game.
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http://varsityinsider.lohudblogs.com/2014/03/26/cyp-recap-day-3-frenji-gauchos-set-clash-semis/ (http://varsityinsider.lohudblogs.com/2014/03/26/cyp-recap-day-3-frenji-gauchos-set-clash-semis/)
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@NYPost_Brazille: With Pittsburgh and Barry Rohrssen making play for Christ the King's Adonis Delarosa not sure he is sure thing to wind up at St. John's
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@NYPost_Brazille: With Pittsburgh and Barry Rohrssen making play for Christ the King's Adonis Delarosa not sure he is sure thing to wind up at St. John's
A guy who can recruit but cannot coach
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@NYPost_Brazille: With Pittsburgh and Barry Rohrssen making play for Christ the King's Adonis Delarosa not sure he is sure thing to wind up at St. John's
A guy who can recruit but cannot coach
You mean Lavin.
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@NYPost_Brazille: With Pittsburgh and Barry Rohrssen making play for Christ the King's Adonis Delarosa not sure he is sure thing to wind up at St. John's
A guy who can recruit but cannot coach
You mean Lavin.
I thought my irony was implied enough & didn't need to be spelled it out. But the cat's out...
Slice set my guys back 5 years, but he's a really nice guy, and spoke so highly of his players.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/ck-delarosa-big-oversight-huge-year-article-1.1738657 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/ck-delarosa-big-oversight-huge-year-article-1.1738657)
St. John’s — once high up on his list but a no-show at the state Federation tournament in Albany when the Royals won a second straight title last weekend — has now slipped behind the others, the 18-year-old said.
Asked if it bothered him that St. John’s didn’t bother to venture to the state tournament to watch his crowning moment, Delarosa — who had 6 points, 13 rebounds and 3 blocks in the final win over Long Island Lutheran, said: “Not really. I mean, I didn’t take it personally. You don’t know why a school couldn’t be there. But they’re still on my list of schools that I’m considering.”
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Very odd. Hard to find a valid reason for no one from the staff making the trip up.
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Very odd. Hard to find a valid reason for no one from the staff making the trip up.
Unless the staff is being fired
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There is no good reason for not having anyone at his game, unless we've given up on him, which makes no sense.
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Very odd. Hard to find a valid reason for no one from the staff making the trip up.
Unless the staff is being fired
Was thinking the same thing. Let's hope that turns out to be the reason
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Maybe we just have moved on to someone else. I'm hopeful that we are recruiting other players that can help next yr and beyond.
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Lavin and his staff are brain dead. Missing this kid's Federation game is inexcusable. To a certain extent he is a project but we badly need a large presence in the paint and he would provide it. Given the current situation he is badly needed next year for 15-20 minutes a game, more of he gets to what should be his playing weight, 260 give or take. If he learns to box out he will be HUGE.
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Very odd. Hard to find a valid reason for no one from the staff making the trip up.
Unless the staff is being fired
This shows again that New York players are not a priority for our coaching staff.
There are much more interest in Louisiana, Florida or California (where all our players have transferred or didn´t enroll).
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Very odd. Hard to find a valid reason for no one from the staff making the trip up.
Lavin probably had dinner reservations he couldn't pass up. Would be a bummer if we didn't land whet seems like our last recruit for 2014.
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@adelarosa0920: JUST GOT HOME FROM THE UNITVERSITY OF PITT 🏀🏀🏀🏀
Let him enjoy being courted. In the end, I doubt we lose him.
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Very odd. Hard to find a valid reason for no one from the staff making the trip up.
Perhaps because he isn't that good.
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Very odd. Hard to find a valid reason for no one from the staff making the trip up.
Perhaps because he isn't that good.
This.
He should just go to Fordham now, instead of having to transfer there next year
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Very odd. Hard to find a valid reason for no one from the staff making the trip up.
Perhaps because he isn't that good.
With reasons why the staff feels he won't develop enough? I think schools like Pitt are deep enough that they are willing to take a risk on his potential. And maybe we cannot.
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Dave - you may be right, though who knows how good he will be by the time he's a junior. All that being said, where are the better 2014 alternatives?
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Very odd. Hard to find a valid reason for no one from the staff making the trip up.
Perhaps because he isn't that good.
With reasons why the staff feels he won't develop enough? I think schools like Pitt are deep enough that they are willing to take a risk on his potential. And maybe we cannot.
Think I read he had 6 points in the championship game. 6 points?
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Clearly not a star, nor will he have immediate impact, but as Mkras said, what's the alternative?
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No one thinks he's that good right now. It's about projecting a year or 3 from now. That is something this staff has to start doing a better job of. So far they haven't brought in one player that has grown in 4 years.
If we are going to be successful in the future, it's because we are developing players and finding kids who aren't immediate stars in their mind. If you have a big kid who is hungry and motivated to get better, you take him and work with him.
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Very odd. Hard to find a valid reason for no one from the staff making the trip up.
Perhaps because he isn't that good.
Are there any better alternatives?
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Clearly not a star, nor will he have immediate impact, but as Mkras said, what's the alternative?
a walkon! I would sign up for that LOL
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How much better did Gods Gift get being here 3 years?
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How much better did Gods Gift get being here 3 years?
But Tomas Jasiulionis will be coming on board to work with Adonis.
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How much better did Gods Gift get being here 3 years?
But Tomas Jasiulionis will be coming on board to work with Adonis.
Curtis Johnson too
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I don't get what the negative is with getting a guy like Adonis...he hasn't had the best H.S. numbers but who cares. Obekpa probably had some games with 6 pts and I think we can all agree he is worth a scholarship on the team and is making an impact on the court. I don't think he's developed as much as I would like but...ok that is a different thread. Point is that Adonis has shown by losing weight that he wants to play and any school that gets him will need to simply work with him to continue that momentum. He may not be a "star" but how can we tell that right now and why do we need to recruit with that mindset..if he's a good kid, willing to work, and has shown skill that can play on the Big East level then it makes sense.
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Adonis with hard work will be fine.
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Adonis with hard work will be fine.
Nothing against the kid at all. Can't teach height or heart. I have zero confidence on the staff coaching up the talent
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Dave - you may be right, though who knows how good he will be by the time he's a junior. All that being said, where are the better 2014 alternatives?
In addition, one has to question why we pursued him with 3 coaches at his game just recently, and it took all year to figure out he's no good? We have nobody else on the recruiting board. Perplexing to say the least.
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Adonis is the kind of player this staff needs to start recruiting. Just because he isn't an overhyped high school player that will leave for the NBA/DLeague/Europe before he accomplishes anything with us doesn't mean he won't be a good player. We need to start recruiting 4 year players that will be solid in their Junior and Senior seasons. Unfortunately like Baldi said this staff probably won't be able to help him develop into the player he can be. Polee would be half the player he is now at SDSU if he stuck around with Lavin and crew these past few years
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Who cares how many points he scored? He is a big man, he rebounds well.
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From what I've seen of him, I'd pass. I know we need frontcourt players, but I'd rather have a lunch pail JUCO. I'm not sure he's cut out for the speed and tempo of the college game.
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As a roleplaying freshman I can see this kid playing 12-15 and scoring a little on putbacks and the occasional layin. His rebounding with his bulk should be good. He will be a true roleplayer at first and I don't see hi as a kid who will try to do too much, ala our present bench, Dom, PG etc. Currently only GG was a true roleplayer, something a team needs. THIS KID WILL CLOG UP THE MIDDLE BEAUTIFULLY ON D, spaceeater. If he loses weight, learns a little from someone beside out staff, his upside is significant.
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Reminds me a lot of Lamont Hamilton. We'd be crazy to pass on this kid given how poorly we've rebounded and defended the post.
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Reminds me a lot of Lamont Hamilton. We'd be crazy to pass on this kid given how poorly we've rebounded and defended the post.
I remember when Shawnelle Scott scored 2 pts in the city championship game and my thought was uh oh he probably will be a total bust, and he turned out to be pretty good.
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We would be nuts to pass on him. Have plenty of scholis, 0 recruits and need a strong Big. No downside. We have 4 years for him to develop.
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Staff is getting plenty of abuse lately. Maybe to much. Think they did a good job with Gods Gift. He became a good player. Would be happy to get Delarosa. Would rather take a chance on a NYC kid. Every ny guy that goes to PITT always does well.
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We have five scholarships and no one committed for next year. Who are we to turn down a local 7 footer from a winning program in our own backyard.
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We have five scholarships and no one committed for next year. Who are we to turn down a local 7 footer from a winning program in our own backyard.
They are not turning him down & actually giving him opportunity to play with his brother.
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Sorry Paultzman, I meant people criticizing the recruitment of Delarosa.
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We have five scholarships and no one committed for next year. Who are we to turn down a local 7 footer from a winning program in our own backyard.
They are not turning him down & actually giving him opportunity to play with his brother.
So why does it appear they are putting his recruitment on the back burner when in fact he should be a top priority.
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We have five scholarships and no one committed for next year. Who are we to turn down a local 7 footer from a winning program in our own backyard.
They are not turning him down & actually giving him opportunity to play with his brother.
So why does it appear they are putting his recruitment on the back burner when in fact he should be a top priority.
They aren't.
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Obviously we shouldn't pass on him, and as Paultz notes we're not.
That said, I agree with Ted's twitter-attack, he is a project. But at this point he's our best hope at landing a backup center.
(and lets hope he doesn't need to be a starting center..)
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Obviously we shouldn't pass on him, and as Paultz notes we're not.
That said, I agree with Ted's twitter-attack, he is a project. But at this point he's our best hope and landing a backup center.
(and lets hope he doesn't need to be a starting center..)
There's some saying about beggars and choosers that's applicable here. I just hope we are begging him to come. Otherwise, 6'7 C. Jones could be the biggest body we have next season, followed by Dom. Now that's a project we should not want to take on.
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We have five scholarships and no one committed for next year. Who are we to turn down a local 7 footer from a winning program in our own backyard.
They are not turning him down & actually giving him opportunity to play with his brother.
So why does it appear they are putting his recruitment on the back burner when in fact he should be a top priority.
They aren't.
Read somewhere that they aren't paying as much attention as some other schools. If this is the strategy it better work. Maybe they feel that having the brother in tow clinches the deal.
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@AdamZagoria: Adonis Delarosa set to announce April 18, could now do it at Jordan Game since he was picked for Regional Game. @ctkcoachjarbs
LivingSocial is offering $9 tickets to the Jordan Regional Game if anyone is interested in going. Barclays Center.
I will pay for the SJU coaching staff if you can locate them.
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Is immediate playing time going to seal the deal with Adonis or will recent defections have a negative effect? I thought he was ours to lose, but not feeling as confident right now. Then again I am a worrier.
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Is immediate playing time going to seal the deal with Adonis or will recent defections have a negative effect? I thought he was ours to lose, but not feeling as confident right now. Then again I am a worrier.
Word from yesterday paultz was hes going to visit alabama, south carolina and rutgers... immediate playing time at all of those schools
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Is immediate playing time going to seal the deal with Adonis or will recent defections have a negative effect? I thought he was ours to lose, but not feeling as confident right now. Then again I am a worrier.
Word from yesterday paultz was hes going to visit alabama, south carolina and rutgers... immediate playing time at all of those schools
Thanks man! Is that the "good news" you alluded to? Ha
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Fwiw a poster on redmen says he has reliable info saying Delarosa ain't coming. I guess his brother could be our starting C ,even though he hardly played at FIU.
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Fwiw a poster on redmen says he has reliable info saying Delarosa ain't coming. I guess his brother could be our starting C ,even though he hardly played at FIU.
I believe that. He'll probably go to Pitt where they have a roster full of players and a coach with a great track record with college bigs.
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Good job by the staff on not taking a couple hours out of their busy day to go up to Albany.
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Fwiw a poster on redmen says he has reliable info saying Delarosa ain't coming. I guess his brother could be our starting C ,even though he hardly played at FIU.
I believe that. He'll probably go to Pitt where they have a roster full of players and a coach with a great track record with college bigs.
He mentioned that the info he received on ADR was incorrect, so we still may be in the game.
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Fwiw a poster on redmen says he has reliable info saying Delarosa ain't coming. I guess his brother could be our starting C ,even though he hardly played at FIU.
I believe that. He'll probably go to Pitt where they have a roster full of players and a coach with a great track record with college bigs.
He mentioned that the info he received on ADR was incorrect, so we still may be in the game.
Thanks for the clarification shamsman2. Funny. How ADR went from a nice project to the most important recruit on deck over the last month.
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Does anyone know if Joey was practicing with the team the 2nd semester? I still have no way of knowing if the kid is actually at SJU or it is a joke, but in spite of his poor #s at FIU he would be ready to make a bigger impact than GG did his first year coming from a D2 JUCO in a weak region (not saying his #s will be the same). If he was practicing with the team that is a huge step.
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Does anyone know if Joey was practicing with the team the 2nd semester? I still have no way of knowing if the kid is actually at SJU or it is a joke, but in spite of his poor #s at FIU he would be ready to make a bigger impact than GG did his first year coming from a D2 JUCO in a weak region (not saying his #s will be the same). If he was practicing with the team that is a huge step.
As I have said, he was enrolled this semester, but did not practice with team. He also indicated to me a month or so ago that he needed to address an injury medically shortly.
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Kid could be lousy, but a local 2/3 star that doesn't want to be the starting center at St.John's? That would put us right back in the Norm Roberts category.
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but does julius derosa have any eligibility remaining
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@adelarosa0920: My commitment date has been changed I will be committing on April 9th !!
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must've loved that visit to Pitt ;-)
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Maybe he wants 'ship before Obeckpa
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I expect Adonis to be donning red hat next week at CTK. Joey too. Just a prediction, but who knows around here.
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I expect Adonis to be donning red hat next week at CTK. Joey too.
Me too. However I don't think it will go well for him at first. Adonis is going to be asked to play big minutes in his freshman year and he's just not ready for that yet. He will probably go through some serious struggles and fans may start to get impatient with him as they have come to expect freshmen to be instant contributors. Part of that may be on Lavin who will inevitably talk up Adonis as Obekpa's replacement and how we won't lose any frontcourt production because Adonis is now in the fold
I have no doubt that he will be a very good player for us or whoever gets him but not right away
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Cute;
@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Adonis Delarosa moves up commitment date to Apr. 9. Good news for St. John's fans I would think. #sjubb.
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A big that likes to rebound (Thomas) and another that isn't afraid to to take opponents out when they try to dunk on him (Adonis). Next year will be fun.
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Adding some real toughness and bulk upfront....could make a huge difference........over time.
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A big that likes to rebound (Thomas) and another that isn't afraid to to take opponents out when they try to dunk on him (Adonis). Next year will be fun.
I haven't read "next year will be fun" in quite a while. I don't know if your kidding. But getting the 2 you mentioned would be steps in the right direction.
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Add Henderson who can supposedly stroke the three......and another player or two (ideally inside) and even foad and fun might have fun
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A big that likes to rebound (Thomas) and another that isn't afraid to to take opponents out when they try to dunk on him (Adonis). Next year will be fun.
I haven't read "next year will be fun" in quite a while. I don't know if your kidding. But getting the 2 you mentioned would be steps in the right direction.
I always see the bright side of things.
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I'm not seeing the bright side of anything right now because our talent level has taken a big hit. I would be happy about Adonis committing though. I like his potential. I think with some physical transformation he can be a mismatch inside. I'd also be happy to have two 7-footers on the team with the Delsrosa brothers. Don't know what his brother Joey Delsrosa can contribute yet with those numbers of his, but he has size and these guys will be manning the center spot for us.
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I expect Adonis to be donning red hat next week at CTK. Joey too.
Maybe he gave Lavin a commit and was prodded into making the announcement sooner to take some of the heat off...
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I expect Adonis to be donning red hat next week at CTK. Joey too.
Maybe he gave Lavin a commit and was prodded into making the announcement sooner to take some of the heat off...
+1
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Done deal !
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A big that likes to rebound (Thomas) and another that isn't afraid to to take opponents out when they try to dunk on him (Adonis). Next year will be fun.
I haven't read "next year will be fun" in quite a while. I don't know if your kidding. But getting the 2 you mentioned would be steps in the right direction.
I always see the bright side of things.
And you've been a St. John's fan for how long?
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I'm not seeing the bright side of anything right now because our talent level has taken a big hit. I would be happy about Adonis committing though. I like his potential. I think with some physical transformation he can be a mismatch inside. I'd also be happy to have two 7-footers on the team with the Delsrosa brothers. Don't know what his brother Joey Delsrosa can contribute yet with those numbers of his, but he has size and these guys will be manning the center spot for us.
If Joey D can clog up the middle and rebound a little for 10 minutes he will be a big help. As long as he is not stupid offensively he will be fine. Could not be much worse than Obekpa offensively.
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I'm not seeing the bright side of anything right now because our talent level has taken a big hit. I would be happy about Adonis committing though. I like his potential. I think with some physical transformation he can be a mismatch inside. I'd also be happy to have two 7-footers on the team with the Delsrosa brothers. Don't know what his brother Joey Delsrosa can contribute yet with those numbers of his, but he has size and these guys will be manning the center spot for us.
If Joey D can clog up the middle and rebound a little for 10 minutes he will be a big help. As long as he is not stupid offensively he will be fine. Could not be much worse than Obekpa offensively.
It's not about Obekpa who can be replaced. It's about Samson and Sanchez, two 6'9" athletic college forwards who can't and haven't been replaced. Anybody who mentions Christian Jones will be choked out by me...
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I'm not seeing the bright side of anything right now because our talent level has taken a big hit. I would be happy about Adonis committing though. I like his potential. I think with some physical transformation he can be a mismatch inside. I'd also be happy to have two 7-footers on the team with the Delsrosa brothers. Don't know what his brother Joey Delsrosa can contribute yet with those numbers of his, but he has size and these guys will be manning the center spot for us.
If Joey D can clog up the middle and rebound a little for 10 minutes he will be a big help. As long as he is not stupid offensively he will be fine. Could not be much worse than Obekpa offensively.
It's not about Obekpa who can be replaced. It's about Samson and Sanchez, two 6'9" athletic college forwards who can't and haven't been replaced. Anybody who mentions Christian Jones will be choked out by me...
You forgot Christian Jones
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I'm not seeing the bright side of anything right now because our talent level has taken a big hit. I would be happy about Adonis committing though. I like his potential. I think with some physical transformation he can be a mismatch inside. I'd also be happy to have two 7-footers on the team with the Delsrosa brothers. Don't know what his brother Joey Delsrosa can contribute yet with those numbers of his, but he has size and these guys will be manning the center spot for us.
If Joey D can clog up the middle and rebound a little for 10 minutes he will be a big help. As long as he is not stupid offensively he will be fine. Could not be much worse than Obekpa offensively.
This kid is nowhere near Obepka offensively.
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Chris averaged under 4.0 pts per game and shot under 40% from the line in two seasons, granted he was coming along somewhat but the production was not worth the headache. I'll take a big body that plays like he cares then a kid who quit on his team last year. So long Chris good luck in 2016 wherever you wind up.
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I'm not seeing the bright side of anything right now because our talent level has taken a big hit. I would be happy about Adonis committing though. I like his potential. I think with some physical transformation he can be a mismatch inside. I'd also be happy to have two 7-footers on the team with the Delsrosa brothers. Don't know what his brother Joey Delsrosa can contribute yet with those numbers of his, but he has size and these guys will be manning the center spot for us.
If Joey D can clog up the middle and rebound a little for 10 minutes he will be a big help. As long as he is not stupid offensively he will be fine. Could not be much worse than Obekpa offensively.
This kid is nowhere near Obepka offensively.
I really, really hope you mean that Joey is better offensively...
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he may not now be near Obekpa but he can develop. In 2 years OB only started to look reasonable offensively during the hot streak this year. Like I said, could not be much worse.
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he may not now be near Obekpa but he can develop. In 2 years OB only started to look reasonable offensively during the hot streak this year. Like I said, could not be much worse.
Let's take off rose colored glasses please. Obekpa is highly desired by schools like Pitt & Oregon. Joey, from FIU with poor stats (granted briefly) & so so high school career, has had no one else of consequence pursuing him recently. I have seen him play and feel Obekpa has a much higher ceiling. Hopefully Joey can be a functional back up player. Big men do develop late often. If you apply that to Joey, please do so with CO.
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+1 Paultz.
Liking the pickup (which I think most do) is entirely different than being happy about our 4's and 5's all being gone, or thinking that a freshman that is raw (with upside) is going to be an upgrade over one of the best shot blockers in the country. Obekpa seemed like a pain in the rear, but he was a talented pain in the rear, and indisputably one of the best rim protectors in the country. Even getting 0 from him offensively most of the time, and even with him not being a good rebounder, he still was a plus for his s defensive presence alone.
If Lavin had an inkling that Jakar even might go pro (which he surely did), and if CO really was as big of a pain throughout his tenure as people say, he should have been recruiting the front court heavily for 2014. Because all of this was foreseeable. THAT is why people are getting all over the staff here.
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he may not now be near Obekpa but he can develop. In 2 years OB only started to look reasonable offensively during the hot streak this year. Like I said, could not be much worse.
Let's take off rose colored glasses please. Obekpa is highly desired by schools like Pitt & Oregon. Joey, from FIU with poor stats (granted briefly) & so so high school career, has had no one else of consequence pursuing him recently. I have seen him play and feel Obekpa has a much higher ceiling. Hopefully Joey can be a functional back up player. Big men do develop late often. If you apply that to Joey, please do so with CO.
I agree some big time programs are probably ingtrigued by his upside, but they probably don't know/willing to ignore all the behind the scenes headaches are hearing about
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I'm not seeing the bright side of anything right now because our talent level has taken a big hit. I would be happy about Adonis committing though. I like his potential. I think with some physical transformation he can be a mismatch inside. I'd also be happy to have two 7-footers on the team with the Delsrosa brothers. Don't know what his brother Joey Delsrosa can contribute yet with those numbers of his, but he has size and these guys will be manning the center spot for us.
If Joey D can clog up the middle and rebound a little for 10 minutes he will be a big help. As long as he is not stupid offensively he will be fine. Could not be much worse than Obekpa offensively.
It's not about Obekpa who can be replaced. It's about Samson and Sanchez, two 6'9" athletic college forwards who can't and haven't been replaced. Anybody who mentions Christian Jones will be choked out by me...
Sanchez and Sampson can be replaced by two guys that rebound and defend even if they never cross half court to the offensive side. Those two in the game at the same time was an awful thing to watch. They both thought they were guards and never defended or boxed out. They also never screened. Who cares if the were athletic?
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I'm not seeing the bright side of anything right now because our talent level has taken a big hit. I would be happy about Adonis committing though. I like his potential. I think with some physical transformation he can be a mismatch inside. I'd also be happy to have two 7-footers on the team with the Delsrosa brothers. Don't know what his brother Joey Delsrosa can contribute yet with those numbers of his, but he has size and these guys will be manning the center spot for us.
If Joey D can clog up the middle and rebound a little for 10 minutes he will be a big help. As long as he is not stupid offensively he will be fine. Could not be much worse than Obekpa offensively.
It's not about Obekpa who can be replaced. It's about Samson and Sanchez, two 6'9" athletic college forwards who can't and haven't been replaced. Anybody who mentions Christian Jones will be choked out by me...
Sanchez and Sampson can be replaced by two guys that rebound and defend even if they never cross half court to the offensive side. Those two in the game at the same time was an awful thing to watch. They both thought they were guards and never defended or boxed out. They also never screened. Who cares if the were athletic?
If I was on Titanic while it was going down Marillac you would be the guy I want next to me. Admire your eternal optimism, but as a savvy basketball fan, wouldn't you admit we have systemic problems right now? Rather than dwell on who replaces who, shouldn't we all be concerned about the stability of the program. Lot of tea leaves here man!
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I'm not seeing the bright side of anything right now because our talent level has taken a big hit. I would be happy about Adonis committing though. I like his potential. I think with some physical transformation he can be a mismatch inside. I'd also be happy to have two 7-footers on the team with the Delsrosa brothers. Don't know what his brother Joey Delsrosa can contribute yet with those numbers of his, but he has size and these guys will be manning the center spot for us.
If Joey D can clog up the middle and rebound a little for 10 minutes he will be a big help. As long as he is not stupid offensively he will be fine. Could not be much worse than Obekpa offensively.
It's not about Obekpa who can be replaced. It's about Samson and Sanchez, two 6'9" athletic college forwards who can't and haven't been replaced. Anybody who mentions Christian Jones will be choked out by me...
Sanchez and Sampson can be replaced by two guys that rebound and defend even if they never cross half court to the offensive side. Those two in the game at the same time was an awful thing to watch. They both thought they were guards and never defended or boxed out. They also never screened. Who cares if the were athletic?
If I was on Titanic while it was going down Marillac you would be the guy I want next to me. Admire your eternal optimism, but as a savvy basketball fan, wouldn't you admit we have systemic problems right now? Rather than dwell on who replaces who, shouldn't we all be concerned about the stability of the program. Lot of tea leaves here man!
I am not happy right now. I think Lavin is a sissy and his teams are not tough. That is why his teams never play up to their potential or with any consistency. Shots land some days and not on others, but effort and toughness is always there. Tough teams don't go through ten minute stretches without a FG, because they get the second and third chances to score. That makes me very angry. However, I have no trust that the school would make the right hire at this point.
I also feel that our back court is potentially ridiculous. A few additions could put this team in on the next level.
I think Felix is going to EXPLODE if given the opportunity. I think ADR is better than just about anyone is giving him credit for--although I hate to rely on freshman for anything. I see no reason why he can't be like Lamont Hamilton if he is committed.
I also love the idea of this JUCO from WCC. A lesser talent that accepts his role...tells the world "I will outwork you"...and, best of all, hasn't been coached by Lavin yet? Sign him up. As a matter of fact, go get 2-3 other guys that haven't be sissified by Lavin and sign them up too.
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I'm not seeing the bright side of anything right now because our talent level has taken a big hit. I would be happy about Adonis committing though. I like his potential. I think with some physical transformation he can be a mismatch inside. I'd also be happy to have two 7-footers on the team with the Delsrosa brothers. Don't know what his brother Joey Delsrosa can contribute yet with those numbers of his, but he has size and these guys will be manning the center spot for us.
If Joey D can clog up the middle and rebound a little for 10 minutes he will be a big help. As long as he is not stupid offensively he will be fine. Could not be much worse than Obekpa offensively.
It's not about Obekpa who can be replaced. It's about Samson and Sanchez, two 6'9" athletic college forwards who can't and haven't been replaced. Anybody who mentions Christian Jones will be choked out by me...
Sanchez and Sampson can be replaced by two guys that rebound and defend even if they never cross half court to the offensive side. Those two in the game at the same time was an awful thing to watch. They both thought they were guards and never defended or boxed out. They also never screened. Who cares if the were athletic?
If I was on Titanic while it was going down Marillac you would be the guy I want next to me. Admire your eternal optimism, but as a savvy basketball fan, wouldn't you admit we have systemic problems right now? Rather than dwell on who replaces who, shouldn't we all be concerned about the stability of the program. Lot of tea leaves here man!
I am not happy right now. I think Lavin is a sissy and his teams are not tough. That is why his teams never play up to their potential or with any consistency. Shots land some days and not on others, but effort and toughness is always there. Tough teams don't go through ten minute stretches without a FG, because they get the second and third chances to score. That makes me very angry. However, I have no trust that the school would make the right hire at this point.
I also feel that our back court is potentially ridiculous. A few additions could put this team in on the next level.
I think Felix is going to EXPLODE if given the opportunity. I think ADR is better than just about anyone is giving him credit for--although I hate to rely on freshman for anything. I see no reason why he can't be like Lamont Hamilton if he is committed.
I also love the idea of this JUCO from WCC. A lesser talent that accepts his role...tells the world "I will outwork you"...and, best of all, hasn't been coached by Lavin yet? Sign him up. As a matter of fact, go get 2-3 other guys that haven't be sissified by Lavin and sign them up too.
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I'm not seeing the bright side of anything right now because our talent level has taken a big hit. I would be happy about Adonis committing though. I like his potential. I think with some physical transformation he can be a mismatch inside. I'd also be happy to have two 7-footers on the team with the Delsrosa brothers. Don't know what his brother Joey Delsrosa can contribute yet with those numbers of his, but he has size and these guys will be manning the center spot for us.
If Joey D can clog up the middle and rebound a little for 10 minutes he will be a big help. As long as he is not stupid offensively he will be fine. Could not be much worse than Obekpa offensively.
It's not about Obekpa who can be replaced. It's about Samson and Sanchez, two 6'9" athletic college forwards who can't and haven't been replaced. Anybody who mentions Christian Jones will be choked out by me...
Sanchez and Sampson can be replaced by two guys that rebound and defend even if they never cross half court to the offensive side. Those two in the game at the same time was an awful thing to watch. They both thought they were guards and never defended or boxed out. They also never screened. Who cares if the were athletic?
If I was on Titanic while it was going down Marillac you would be the guy I want next to me. Admire your eternal optimism, but as a savvy basketball fan, wouldn't you admit we have systemic problems right now? Rather than dwell on who replaces who, shouldn't we all be concerned about the stability of the program. Lot of tea leaves here man!
I am not happy right now. I think Lavin is a sissy and his teams are not tough. That is why his teams never play up to their potential or with any consistency. Shots land some days and not on others, but effort and toughness is always there. Tough teams don't go through ten minute stretches without a FG, because they get the second and third chances to score. That makes me very angry. However, I have no trust that the school would make the right hire at this point.
I also feel that our back court is potentially ridiculous. A few additions could put this team in on the next level.
I think Felix is going to EXPLODE if given the opportunity. I think ADR is better than just about anyone is giving him credit for--although I hate to rely on freshman for anything. I see no reason why he can't be like Lamont Hamilton if he is committed.
I also love the idea of this JUCO from WCC. A lesser talent that accepts his role...tells the world "I will outwork you"...and, best of all, hasn't been coached by Lavin yet? Sign him up. As a matter of fact, go get 2-3 other guys that haven't be sissified by Lavin and sign them up too.
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But I love the avatar!
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I'm not seeing the bright side of anything right now because our talent level has taken a big hit. I would be happy about Adonis committing though. I like his potential. I think with some physical transformation he can be a mismatch inside. I'd also be happy to have two 7-footers on the team with the Delsrosa brothers. Don't know what his brother Joey Delsrosa can contribute yet with those numbers of his, but he has size and these guys will be manning the center spot for us.
If Joey D can clog up the middle and rebound a little for 10 minutes he will be a big help. As long as he is not stupid offensively he will be fine. Could not be much worse than Obekpa offensively.
It's not about Obekpa who can be replaced. It's about Samson and Sanchez, two 6'9" athletic college forwards who can't and haven't been replaced. Anybody who mentions Christian Jones will be choked out by me...
Sanchez and Sampson can be replaced by two guys that rebound and defend even if they never cross half court to the offensive side. Those two in the game at the same time was an awful thing to watch. They both thought they were guards and never defended or boxed out. They also never screened. Who cares if the were athletic?
If I was on Titanic while it was going down Marillac you would be the guy I want next to me. Admire your eternal optimism, but as a savvy basketball fan, wouldn't you admit we have systemic problems right now? Rather than dwell on who replaces who, shouldn't we all be concerned about the stability of the program. Lot of tea leaves here man!
I am not happy right now. I think Lavin is a sissy and his teams are not tough. That is why his teams never play up to their potential or with any consistency. Shots land some days and not on others, but effort and toughness is always there. Tough teams don't go through ten minute stretches without a FG, because they get the second and third chances to score. That makes me very angry. However, I have no trust that the school would make the right hire at this point.
I also feel that our back court is potentially ridiculous. A few additions could put this team in on the next level.
I think Felix is going to EXPLODE if given the opportunity. I think ADR is better than just about anyone is giving him credit for--although I hate to rely on freshman for anything. I see no reason why he can't be like Lamont Hamilton if he is committed.
I also love the idea of this JUCO from WCC. A lesser talent that accepts his role...tells the world "I will outwork you"...and, best of all, hasn't been coached by Lavin yet? Sign him up. As a matter of fact, go get 2-3 other guys that haven't be sissified by Lavin and sign them up too.
What do see in Felix that you think he has so much upside? I'm not a hater - I just didn't see it in his limited action. What am I missing? It's an honest question; I'm not dissing him. To me, he's just a springy 6'2'' to 6'3'' guy. His jump shot wasn't all that accurate. Though I will certainly conceded, he did have pretty good form on his shot.
The reason I'm not counting on him too much as a net positive over whoever he is replacing, is that he is already too similar to our existing back court. To me, he would be too similar to what we already put out on the court.
I actually think Jones can have a bigger potential impact next year - if he toughens up - as you so rightly point out. If, and that's a big if - he decides he's throw his weight around. He has to learn to be a bully.
And back to Felix - what am I missing?
Thanks in advance.
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If I was on Titanic while it was going down Marillac you would be the guy I want next to me. Admire your eternal optimism, but as a savvy basketball fan, wouldn't you admit we have systemic problems right now? Rather than dwell on who replaces who, shouldn't we all be concerned about the stability of the program. Lot of tea leaves here man!
And if I was on the Titantic while it was going down, Marillac's the last guy I'd want to be with. He'd be telling me to forget about the lifesavers or the lifeboats, reassuring me that it's a minor leak and things will fine in the morning.
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If I was on Titanic while it was going down Marillac you would be the guy I want next to me. Admire your eternal optimism, but as a savvy basketball fan, wouldn't you admit we have systemic problems right now? Rather than dwell on who replaces who, shouldn't we all be concerned about the stability of the program. Lot of tea leaves here man!
And if I was on the Titantic while it was going down, Marillac's the last guy I'd want to be with. He'd be telling me to forget about the lifesavers or the lifeboats, reassuring me that it's a minor leak and things will fine in the morning.
Marillac would say there is nothing to worry about I just asked for more ice!
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http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2014/4/7/5591202/st-johns-recruiting-keith-thomas-adonis-delarosa-video (http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2014/4/7/5591202/st-johns-recruiting-keith-thomas-adonis-delarosa-video)
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When he commits to SJU, stand by for Dan Gadzuric comparison/hyperbole from Lav.
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When he commits to SJU, stand by for Dan Gadzuric comparison/hyperbole from Lav.
Most skilled freshmen big man I have ever coached
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I want the oxygen concession by our bench nest year.
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When he commits to SJU, stand by for Dan Gadzuric comparison/hyperbole from Lav.
Do you think he should say he's a project with a 25% chance to reach any level of success under my coaching staff? Forget about Lavin. He's hardly the only coach who praises his players in public.
Does every development need to be panned on this board? I'm hoping the kid comes onboard and gives us something to feel good about for a change.
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When he commits to SJU, stand by for Dan Gadzuric comparison/hyperbole from Lav.
Do you think he should say he's a project with a 25% chance to reach any level of success under my coaching staff? Forget about Lavin. He's hardly the only coach who praises his players in public.
Does every development need to be panned on this board? I'm hoping the kid comes onboard and gives us something to feel good about for a change.
Quite the contrary. I think kids and Lavin would be better served if he lowered hyperbole a notch. Just welcome the kid in a low key way. No need to anoint him as best big he has ever coached, etc. which he does too often. I just don't find Lav very credible. I have historically supported Adonis coming, noting if he works hard & gets in shape, he could be a good player in time. My comment was made in humor. Must have riled you. Perhaps you are smarting from falling short of that NIT championship you told me would propel us to NCAA success next season.
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When he commits to SJU, stand by for Dan Gadzuric comparison/hyperbole from Lav.
Do you think he should say he's a project with a 25% chance to reach any level of success under my coaching staff? Forget about Lavin. He's hardly the only coach who praises his players in public.
Does every development need to be panned on this board? I'm hoping the kid comes onboard and gives us something to feel good about for a change.
You know what would be a refreshing change? If Lavin didn't say a damn thing about a recruit.
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When he commits to SJU, stand by for Dan Gadzuric comparison/hyperbole from Lav.
Do you think he should say he's a project with a 25% chance to reach any level of success under my coaching staff? Forget about Lavin. He's hardly the only coach who praises his players in public.
Does every development need to be panned on this board? I'm hoping the kid comes onboard and gives us something to feel good about for a change.
You know what would be a refreshing change? If Lavin didn't say a damn thing about a recruit.
Who the hell cares? Some of you are allowing your frustration over how the season ended (which is fair it was a lousy way to end a season that seemed to be heading in the right direction) into criticizing stuff that means nothing either way.
There are no games. I mean he also said Jordan is one of the best guards he has ever recruited. Guess what, he is probably right. So what?
He knows the bottom line is he needs to build a consistent winner here. To be a consistent NCAA team, which he has said MANY times. Do you have a problem with that?
Let's say Lavin says Delarosa is the next "Lew Alcindor." Next year progresses the team does really well but Delarosa does not do well, struggles a little. Is anyone on the board going to remember or care what Lavin says about Delarosa? In other words are there going to be people on this board who say, "I can't enjoy this good season because I can't stand how Lavin tried to sell Delarosa to us last year." Really?
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When he commits to SJU, stand by for Dan Gadzuric comparison/hyperbole from Lav.
Do you think he should say he's a project with a 25% chance to reach any level of success under my coaching staff? Forget about Lavin. He's hardly the only coach who praises his players in public.
Does every development need to be panned on this board? I'm hoping the kid comes onboard and gives us something to feel good about for a change.
You know what would be a refreshing change? If Lavin didn't say a damn thing about a recruit.
Who the hell cares? Some of you are allowing your frustration over how the season ended (which is fair it was a lousy way to end a season that seemed to be heading in the right direction) into criticizing stuff that means nothing either way.
There are no games. I mean he also said Jordan is one of the best guards he has ever recruited. Guess what, he is probably right. So what?
He knows the bottom line is he needs to build a consistent winner here. To be a consistent NCAA team, which he has said MANY times. Do you have a problem with that?
Let's say Lavin says Delarosa is the next "Lew Alcindor." Next year progresses the team does really well but Delarosa does not do well, struggles a little. Is anyone on the board going to remember or care what Lavin says about Delarosa? In other words are there going to be people on this board who say, "I can't enjoy this good season because I can't stand how Lavin tried to sell Delarosa to us last year." Really?
Allow me to paraphrase, I don't give a f what he says, he better f'n win. End of story.
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When he commits to SJU, stand by for Dan Gadzuric comparison/hyperbole from Lav.
Do you think he should say he's a project with a 25% chance to reach any level of success under my coaching staff? Forget about Lavin. He's hardly the only coach who praises his players in public.
Does every development need to be panned on this board? I'm hoping the kid comes onboard and gives us something to feel good about for a change.
You know what would be a refreshing change? If Lavin didn't say a damn thing about a recruit.
Who the hell cares? Some of you are allowing your frustration over how the season ended (which is fair it was a lousy way to end a season that seemed to be heading in the right direction) into criticizing stuff that means nothing either way.
There are no games. I mean he also said Jordan is one of the best guards he has ever recruited. Guess what, he is probably right. So what?
He knows the bottom line is he needs to build a consistent winner here. To be a consistent NCAA team, which he has said MANY times. Do you have a problem with that?
Let's say Lavin says Delarosa is the next "Lew Alcindor." Next year progresses the team does really well but Delarosa does not do well, struggles a little. Is anyone on the board going to remember or care what Lavin says about Delarosa? In other words are there going to be people on this board who say, "I can't enjoy this good season because I can't stand how Lavin tried to sell Delarosa to us last year." Really?
Allow me to paraphrase, I don't give a f what he says, he better f'n win. End of story.
amen.
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When he commits to SJU, stand by for Dan Gadzuric comparison/hyperbole from Lav.
Do you think he should say he's a project with a 25% chance to reach any level of success under my coaching staff? Forget about Lavin. He's hardly the only coach who praises his players in public.
Does every development need to be panned on this board? I'm hoping the kid comes onboard and gives us something to feel good about for a change.
Quite the contrary. I think kids and Lavin would be better served if he lowered hyperbole a notch. Just welcome the kid in a low key way. No need to anoint him as best big he has ever coached, etc. which he does too often. I just don't find Lav very credible. I have historically supported Adonis coming, noting if he works hard & gets in shape, he could be a good player in time. My comment was made in humor. Must have riled you. Perhaps you are smarting from falling short of that NIT championship you told me would propel us to NCAA success next season.
Smarting?? Who was not pissed with that disaster?
Just like you I want to see this program do well. I appreciate the many updates you provide. I'm just not in the camp that thinks Lavin is a fraud with a lousy staff. He certainly has a lot of work to make up for the disappointing finish. I'm pulling for him. We'll see what he can do over upcoming weeks to restock the front court. If he fails he's out in a year or two and the next guy will try to break the curse.
I really feel for you with what transpired these past two nights. It can't be easy being a johnny fan in the Yukon state.
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When he commits to SJU, stand by for Dan Gadzuric comparison/hyperbole from Lav.
Do you think he should say he's a project with a 25% chance to reach any level of success under my coaching staff? Forget about Lavin. He's hardly the only coach who praises his players in public.
Does every development need to be panned on this board? I'm hoping the kid comes onboard and gives us something to feel good about for a change.
Quite the contrary. I think kids and Lavin would be better served if he lowered hyperbole a notch. Just welcome the kid in a low key way. No need to anoint him as best big he has ever coached, etc. which he does too often. I just don't find Lav very credible. I have historically supported Adonis coming, noting if he works hard & gets in shape, he could be a good player in time. My comment was made in humor. Must have riled you. Perhaps you are smarting from falling short of that NIT championship you told me would propel us to NCAA success next season.
Smarting?? Who was not pissed with that disaster?
Just like you I want to see this program do well. I appreciate the many updates you provide. I'm just not in the camp that thinks Lavin is a fraud with a lousy staff. He certainly has a lot of work to make up for the disappointing finish. I'm pulling for him. We'll see what he can do over upcoming weeks to restock the front court. If he fails he's out in a year or two and the next guy will try to break the curse.
I really feel for you with what transpired these past two nights. It can't be easy being a johnny fan in the Yukon state.
Actually I pulled for UConn, since I think Ollie has done a nice job taking over for Calhoun.
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Forget about Lavin.
Love to but for the time being that's impossible. Hopefully at some point in the future he'll be reduced to a vague unpleasant memory, like food poisoning or chlamydia. But for the time being the vapid narcissist and unctuous personality and half-assed coaching and preposterous pronouncements are what's fodder for discussion.
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Who the hell cares? Some of you are allowing your frustration over how the season ended (which is fair it was a lousy way to end a season that seemed to be heading in the right direction) into criticizing stuff that means nothing either way.
There are no games. I mean he also said Jordan is one of the best guards he has ever recruited. Guess what, he is probably right. So what?
He knows the bottom line is he needs to build a consistent winner here. To be a consistent NCAA team, which he has said MANY times. Do you have a problem with that?
Let's say Lavin says Delarosa is the next "Lew Alcindor." Next year progresses the team does really well but Delarosa does not do well, struggles a little. Is anyone on the board going to remember or care what Lavin says about Delarosa? In other words are there going to be people on this board who say, "I can't enjoy this good season because I can't stand how Lavin tried to sell Delarosa to us last year." Really?
The problem is that nearly everything that comes out of Lavin's mouth is self-serving and a lie. From pronouncements about recruits to BS about gelling and jam sessions to the excuses he makes when things inevitably cock up. He creates his own credibility problems by running his yap and it's perfectly reasonable for those who have been lied to to question everything they hear said thereafter, unless they're fools.
You are correct: if he won no one would care. He could spout all day long nonsense about peacocks and feather dusters and subway tokens and we'd lap it up. What a charmer we'd think. But he's not. He's a loser and close to a buffoon while doing so and the stink is on the rose. If he doesn't want to be mistaken for a clown he should take off the red nose and fright wig. If he wears them its not unreasonable for his get up to be a matter of discussion.
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@AdamZagoria: All signs pointing to Adonis Delarosa becoming St. John's 1st 2014 commit later today...Follow @Ben_Baskin for coverage of the 230 presser.
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Who the hell cares? Some of you are allowing your frustration over how the season ended (which is fair it was a lousy way to end a season that seemed to be heading in the right direction) into criticizing stuff that means nothing either way.
There are no games. I mean he also said Jordan is one of the best guards he has ever recruited. Guess what, he is probably right. So what?
He knows the bottom line is he needs to build a consistent winner here. To be a consistent NCAA team, which he has said MANY times. Do you have a problem with that?
Let's say Lavin says Delarosa is the next "Lew Alcindor." Next year progresses the team does really well but Delarosa does not do well, struggles a little. Is anyone on the board going to remember or care what Lavin says about Delarosa? In other words are there going to be people on this board who say, "I can't enjoy this good season because I can't stand how Lavin tried to sell Delarosa to us last year." Really?
The problem is that nearly everything that comes out of Lavin's mouth is self-serving and a lie. From pronouncements about recruits to BS about gelling and jam sessions to the excuses he makes when things inevitably cock up. He creates his own credibility problems by running his yap and it's perfectly reasonable for those who have been lied to to question everything they hear said thereafter, unless they're fools.
You are correct: if he won no one would care. He could spout all day long nonsense about peacocks and feather dusters and subway tokens and we'd lap it up. What a charmer we'd think. But he's not. He's a loser and close to a buffoon while doing so and the stink is on the rose. If he doesn't want to be mistaken for a clown he should take off the red nose and fright wig. If he wears them its not unreasonable for his get up to be a matter of discussion.
I disagree.
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Who the hell cares? Some of you are allowing your frustration over how the season ended (which is fair it was a lousy way to end a season that seemed to be heading in the right direction) into criticizing stuff that means nothing either way.
There are no games. I mean he also said Jordan is one of the best guards he has ever recruited. Guess what, he is probably right. So what?
He knows the bottom line is he needs to build a consistent winner here. To be a consistent NCAA team, which he has said MANY times. Do you have a problem with that?
Let's say Lavin says Delarosa is the next "Lew Alcindor." Next year progresses the team does really well but Delarosa does not do well, struggles a little. Is anyone on the board going to remember or care what Lavin says about Delarosa? In other words are there going to be people on this board who say, "I can't enjoy this good season because I can't stand how Lavin tried to sell Delarosa to us last year." Really?
The problem is that nearly everything that comes out of Lavin's mouth is self-serving and a lie. From pronouncements about recruits to BS about gelling and jam sessions to the excuses he makes when things inevitably cock up. He creates his own credibility problems by running his yap and it's perfectly reasonable for those who have been lied to to question everything they hear said thereafter, unless they're fools.
You are correct: if he won no one would care. He could spout all day long nonsense about peacocks and feather dusters and subway tokens and we'd lap it up. What a charmer we'd think. But he's not. He's a loser and close to a buffoon while doing so and the stink is on the rose. If he doesn't want to be mistaken for a clown he should take off the red nose and fright wig. If he wears them its not unreasonable for his get up to be a matter of discussion.
I disagree.
I don't doubt it. Just as I don't doubt that you'll change your mind and publicly apologize in 6 months. In other words, you're fickle.
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@AdamZagoria: All signs pointing to Adonis Delarosa becoming St. John's 1st 2014 commit later today...Follow @Ben_Baskin for coverage of the 230 presser.
What are these signs? Didn't this kid say we weren't recruiting him hard? Or is he man enough not to need us to treat him a like a princess?
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@AdamZagoria: All signs pointing to Adonis Delarosa becoming St. John's 1st 2014 commit later today...Follow @Ben_Baskin for coverage of the 230 presser.
HAMMER TO THE ROCK!
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Who the hell cares? Some of you are allowing your frustration over how the season ended (which is fair it was a lousy way to end a season that seemed to be heading in the right direction) into criticizing stuff that means nothing either way.
There are no games. I mean he also said Jordan is one of the best guards he has ever recruited. Guess what, he is probably right. So what?
He knows the bottom line is he needs to build a consistent winner here. To be a consistent NCAA team, which he has said MANY times. Do you have a problem with that?
Let's say Lavin says Delarosa is the next "Lew Alcindor." Next year progresses the team does really well but Delarosa does not do well, struggles a little. Is anyone on the board going to remember or care what Lavin says about Delarosa? In other words are there going to be people on this board who say, "I can't enjoy this good season because I can't stand how Lavin tried to sell Delarosa to us last year." Really?
The problem is that nearly everything that comes out of Lavin's mouth is self-serving and a lie. From pronouncements about recruits to BS about gelling and jam sessions to the excuses he makes when things inevitably cock up. He creates his own credibility problems by running his yap and it's perfectly reasonable for those who have been lied to to question everything they hear said thereafter, unless they're fools.
You are correct: if he won no one would care. He could spout all day long nonsense about peacocks and feather dusters and subway tokens and we'd lap it up. What a charmer we'd think. But he's not. He's a loser and close to a buffoon while doing so and the stink is on the rose. If he doesn't want to be mistaken for a clown he should take off the red nose and fright wig. If he wears them its not unreasonable for his get up to be a matter of discussion.
I disagree.
I don't doubt it. Just as I don't doubt that you'll change your mind and publicly apologize in 6 months. In other words, you're fickle.
I am pickle not fickle.
And I disagree with your doubt.
But I do hope you are the first to post next season when SJU fans are actively rooting against SJU to win (in hopes they fire Lavin) and then lo and behold they win just like you posted that way during the Norm Roberts era.
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For those who have it;
@msg_varsity: Today at 2:30, Christ the King's @adelarosa0920 and @DreWalker_ will announce their college choices on #MSGV_Live: http://t.co/YjpGhQX5PU (http://t.co/YjpGhQX5PU)
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Who the hell cares? Some of you are allowing your frustration over how the season ended (which is fair it was a lousy way to end a season that seemed to be heading in the right direction) into criticizing stuff that means nothing either way.
There are no games. I mean he also said Jordan is one of the best guards he has ever recruited. Guess what, he is probably right. So what?
He knows the bottom line is he needs to build a consistent winner here. To be a consistent NCAA team, which he has said MANY times. Do you have a problem with that?
Let's say Lavin says Delarosa is the next "Lew Alcindor." Next year progresses the team does really well but Delarosa does not do well, struggles a little. Is anyone on the board going to remember or care what Lavin says about Delarosa? In other words are there going to be people on this board who say, "I can't enjoy this good season because I can't stand how Lavin tried to sell Delarosa to us last year." Really?
The problem is that nearly everything that comes out of Lavin's mouth is self-serving and a lie. From pronouncements about recruits to BS about gelling and jam sessions to the excuses he makes when things inevitably cock up. He creates his own credibility problems by running his yap and it's perfectly reasonable for those who have been lied to to question everything they hear said thereafter, unless they're fools.
You are correct: if he won no one would care. He could spout all day long nonsense about peacocks and feather dusters and subway tokens and we'd lap it up. What a charmer we'd think. But he's not. He's a loser and close to a buffoon while doing so and the stink is on the rose. If he doesn't want to be mistaken for a clown he should take off the red nose and fright wig. If he wears them its not unreasonable for his get up to be a matter of discussion.
I disagree.
I don't doubt it. Just as I don't doubt that you'll change your mind and publicly apologize in 6 months. In other words, you're fickle.
I am pickle not fickle.
And I disagree with your doubt.
But I do hope you are the first to post next season when SJU fans are actively rooting against SJU to win (in hopes they fire Lavin) and then lo and behold they win just like you posted that way during the Norm Roberts era.
Fun backed Roberts until the end, mostly becuase he hated Jarvis I think
And did Fordham finally admit he is a prick? That is how I interpreted "Iam pickle" anyay
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Looks like Henderson and Adonis are in. That is 2 down for to go. Hopefully we add another 2 bigs and 2 guards for future depth
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Looks like Henderson and Adonis are in. That is 2 down for to go. Hopefully we add another 2 bigs and 2 guards for future depth
Henderson not in. Most know Adonis is coming. I think you are confusing Thomas with Henderson.
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Looks like Henderson and Adonis are in. That is 2 down for to go. Hopefully we add another 2 bigs and 2 guards for future depth
Henderson not in. Most know Adonis is coming. I think you are confusing Thomas with Henderson.
Is Thomas in. Hes just what the dr. ordered.?
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Looks like Henderson and Adonis are in. That is 2 down for to go. Hopefully we add another 2 bigs and 2 guards for future depth
Henderson not in. Most know Adonis is coming. I think you are confusing Thomas with Henderson.
Herderson not it? Or not in yet?
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Looks like Henderson and Adonis are in. That is 2 down for to go. Hopefully we add another 2 bigs and 2 guards for future depth
Henderson not in. Most know Adonis is coming. I think you are confusing Thomas with Henderson.
Herderson not it? Or not in yet?
Has not visited yet & not sure he is prime on radar.
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Looks like Henderson and Adonis are in. That is 2 down for to go. Hopefully we add another 2 bigs and 2 guards for future depth
Henderson not in. Most know Adonis is coming. I think you are confusing Thomas with Henderson.
Is Thomas in. Hes just what the dr. ordered.?
Nothing official yet, but it seems SJU is well positioned. We'll see.
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Looks like Henderson and Adonis are in. That is 2 down for to go. Hopefully we add another 2 bigs and 2 guards for future depth
Henderson not in. Most know Adonis is coming. I think you are confusing Thomas with Henderson.
Herderson not it? Or not in yet?
Has not visited yet & not sure he is prime on radar.
Thanks paultz
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Fun backed Roberts until the end, mostly becuase he hated Jarvis I think
I don't know that backed is the right word. I recognized Norm's citizenship and integrity despite his atrocious results, protested attacks on his character, and delighted in the ineffectual whining of his detractors, because schadenfreude. I was mostly relieved when he got canned, as I will be whenever Bozo goes back to California.
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Fun backed Roberts until the end, mostly becuase he hated Jarvis I think
I don't know that backed is the right word. I recognized Norm's citizenship and integrity despite his atrocious results, protested attacks on his character, and delighted in the ineffectual whining of his detractors, because schadenfreude. I was mostly relieved when he got canned, as I will be whenever Bozo goes back to California.
You turned on Big Head much quicker anyway. As for me they could hire Charles Manson or Calipari and I wouldn't care as long as we win. Lavin's act has gotten annoying becuase we stink. Same as the nice guy Norm thing. Just my opinion anyway. Don't need athletes, coaches, actors etc to be good guys, I can seperate.
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Looks like Henderson and Adonis are in. That is 2 down for to go. Hopefully we add another 2 bigs and 2 guards for future depth
Henderson not in. Most know Adonis is coming. I think you are confusing Thomas with Henderson.
Herderson not it? Or not in yet?
Has not visited yet & not sure he is prime on radar.
Thanks paultz
yes, thanks for the correction, i meant thomas
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Many criticize Lavin for pumping up his players and spinning disappointments. How about viewing it through the prism of the real world. Ever hear a CEO explain a bad quarter by saying our sales team took three months off and our product is inferior to competition? Ever hear Obama say sorry folks, Obamacare may not have been a good idea? Ever hear our military say from the front, sorry Commander, we are getting our butts kicked. Leaders do what they can to pump up their team's confidence. Leaders spin what has happened while trying to make the result better. Leaders inspire optimism, not breed despair. The criticism of Lavin on this issue is sophomoric. Do you expect him to say --we have a new recruit with some gaps in his game and it is uncertain he will be able to improve? Or should he say, I see little hope for this team improving? Or, we keep going over this with players a and b in practice but can't seem to overcome their ego, or their lack of basketball iq? These criticisms of Lavin are just silly, and reflect a lack of experience in the real world. A press conference is not a Confessional. It's purpose is not to commit hari kari, but to put the best front on what is occurring for many good reasons--morale, public perception, confidence boosting, optimism, recruiting, etc etc. The first coach to stand up and say "This program is in hopeless shape " will also be a former coach. It is terrible leadership. All here say Roberts was a man of integrity. Anyone remember him saying, sorry guys, I am in over my head, or try as I might, I can't attract top recruits? Get real, guys.
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Many criticize Lavin for pumping up his players and spinning disappointments. How about viewing it through the prism of the real world. Ever hear a CEO explain a bad quarter by saying our sales team took three months off and our product is inferior to competition? Ever hear Obama say sorry folks, Obamacare may not have been a good idea? Ever hear our military say from the front, sorry Commander, we are getting our butts kicked. Leaders do what they can to pump up their team's confidence. Leaders spin what has happened while trying to make the result better. Leaders inspire optimism, not breed despair. The criticism of Lavin on this issue is sophomoric. Do you expect him to say --we have a new recruit with some gaps in his game and it is uncertain he will be able to improve? Or should he say, I see little hope for this team improving? Or, we keep going over this with players a and b in practice but can't seem to overcome their ego, or their lack of basketball iq? These criticisms of Lavin are just silly, and reflect a lack of experience in the real world. A press conference is not a Confessional. It's purpose is not to commit hari kari, but to put the best front on what is occurring for many good reasons--morale, public perception, confidence boosting, optimism, recruiting, etc etc. The first coach to stand up and say "This program is in hopeless shape " will also be a former coach. It is terrible leadership. All here say Roberts was a man of integrity. Anyone remember him saying, sorry guys, I am in over my head, or try as I might, I can't attract top recruits? Get real, guys.
Where is the beer you owe us? ;)
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Fun backed Roberts until the end, mostly becuase he hated Jarvis I think
I don't know that backed is the right word. I recognized Norm's citizenship and integrity despite his atrocious results, protested attacks on his character, and delighted in the ineffectual whining of his detractors, because schadenfreude. I was mostly relieved when he got canned, as I will be whenever Bozo goes back to California.
You turned on Big Head much quicker anyway. As for me they could hire Charles Manson or Calipari and I wouldn't care as long as we win. Lavin's act has gotten annoying becuase we stink. Same as the nice guy Norm thing. Just my opinion anyway. Don't need athletes, coaches, actors etc to be good guys, I can seperate.
Lavin's a fraud, Norm was just incompetent. Even Calamari's not a fraud, he's an outlaw, like Tarkanian. I don't see how you can shrug your shoulders at Ben Rapistberger or Aaron Hernandez, oh well, as long as we win.
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Many criticize Lavin for pumping up his players and spinning disappointments. How about viewing it through the prism of the real world. Ever hear a CEO explain a bad quarter by saying our sales team took three months off and our product is inferior to competition? Ever hear Obama say sorry folks, Obamacare may not have been a good idea? Ever hear our military say from the front, sorry Commander, we are getting our butts kicked. Leaders do what they can to pump up their team's confidence. Leaders spin what has happened while trying to make the result better. Leaders inspire optimism, not breed despair. The criticism of Lavin on this issue is sophomoric.
Ever hear a CEO blame bad quarterly profits on one of his employee's aunt's open casket funeral? Did Obama blame his website failure on Kathleen Sebelius's tonsils? How often does Warren Buffet reference his prostate? Tell me more about the real world, I'm rapt.
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Fun backed Roberts until the end, mostly becuase he hated Jarvis I think
I don't know that backed is the right word. I recognized Norm's citizenship and integrity despite his atrocious results, protested attacks on his character, and delighted in the ineffectual whining of his detractors, because schadenfreude. I was mostly relieved when he got canned, as I will be whenever Bozo goes back to California.
You turned on Big Head much quicker anyway. As for me they could hire Charles Manson or Calipari and I wouldn't care as long as we win. Lavin's act has gotten annoying becuase we stink. Same as the nice guy Norm thing. Just my opinion anyway. Don't need athletes, coaches, actors etc to be good guys, I can seperate.
Lavin's a fraud, Norm was just incompetent. Even Calamari's not a fraud, he's an outlaw, like Tarkanian. I don't see how you can shrug your shoulders at Ben Rapistberger or Aaron Hernandez, oh well, as long as we win.
I would prefer that the guys I root for are good guys and I would prefer the guys I root for aren't rapists or muderers. It is just not a deal breaker :)
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Looks like Henderson and Adonis are in. That is 2 down for to go. Hopefully we add another 2 bigs and 2 guards for future depth
Henderson not in. Most know Adonis is coming. I think you are confusing Thomas with Henderson.
Herderson not it? Or not in yet?
Has not visited yet & not sure he is prime on radar.
Under the best circumstances Branch, DLO,Greene, and proably Sheed are gone after next year. Even though our immediate needs are bigs. We have a lot of scholis to give. Staff better start grooming some guards for the future.
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Looks like Henderson and Adonis are in. That is 2 down for to go. Hopefully we add another 2 bigs and 2 guards for future depth
Henderson not in. Most know Adonis is coming. I think you are confusing Thomas with Henderson.
Herderson not it? Or not in yet?
Has not visited yet & not sure he is prime on radar.
Under the best circumstances Branch, DLO,Greene, and proably Sheed are gone after next year. Even though our immediate needs are bigs. We have a lot of scholis to give. Staff better start grooming some guards for the future.
This is why we need to be active in the transfer game. Get a veteran guard and/or SF to help bridge the gap. Are we looking at Ryan Anderson, Nick Faust, Roddy Peters, Watson, anybody??? They'd probably start in 2015
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Many criticize Lavin for pumping up his players and spinning disappointments. How about viewing it through the prism of the real world. Ever hear a CEO explain a bad quarter by saying our sales team took three months off and our product is inferior to competition? Ever hear Obama say sorry folks, Obamacare may not have been a good idea? Ever hear our military say from the front, sorry Commander, we are getting our butts kicked. Leaders do what they can to pump up their team's confidence. Leaders spin what has happened while trying to make the result better. Leaders inspire optimism, not breed despair. The criticism of Lavin on this issue is sophomoric. Do you expect him to say --we have a new recruit with some gaps in his game and it is uncertain he will be able to improve? Or should he say, I see little hope for this team improving? Or, we keep going over this with players a and b in practice but can't seem to overcome their ego, or their lack of basketball iq? These criticisms of Lavin are just silly, and reflect a lack of experience in the real world. A press conference is not a Confessional. It's purpose is not to commit hari kari, but to put the best front on what is occurring for many good reasons--morale, public perception, confidence boosting, optimism, recruiting, etc etc. The first coach to stand up and say "This program is in hopeless shape " will also be a former coach. It is terrible leadership. All here say Roberts was a man of integrity. Anyone remember him saying, sorry guys, I am in over my head, or try as I might, I can't attract top recruits? Get real, guys.
Point taken. However, he could and should hold himself accountable. There is nothing wrong with him making a statement that the team's and coaches performance this year is not acceptable. How about letting the fans in on your plan (if he has one) and what he intends to do to improve our situation. His statement that he likes the roster as is was ridiculous.
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Many criticize Lavin for pumping up his players and spinning disappointments. How about viewing it through the prism of the real world. Ever hear a CEO explain a bad quarter by saying our sales team took three months off and our product is inferior to competition? Ever hear Obama say sorry folks, Obamacare may not have been a good idea? Ever hear our military say from the front, sorry Commander, we are getting our butts kicked. Leaders do what they can to pump up their team's confidence. Leaders spin what has happened while trying to make the result better. Leaders inspire optimism, not breed despair. The criticism of Lavin on this issue is sophomoric. Do you expect him to say --we have a new recruit with some gaps in his game and it is uncertain he will be able to improve? Or should he say, I see little hope for this team improving? Or, we keep going over this with players a and b in practice but can't seem to overcome their ego, or their lack of basketball iq? These criticisms of Lavin are just silly, and reflect a lack of experience in the real world. A press conference is not a Confessional. It's purpose is not to commit hari kari, but to put the best front on what is occurring for many good reasons--morale, public perception, confidence boosting, optimism, recruiting, etc etc. The first coach to stand up and say "This program is in hopeless shape " will also be a former coach. It is terrible leadership. All here say Roberts was a man of integrity. Anyone remember him saying, sorry guys, I am in over my head, or try as I might, I can't attract top recruits? Get real, guys.
Point taken. However, he could and should hold himself accountable. There is nothing wrong with him making a statement that the team's and coaches performance this year is not acceptable. How about letting the fans in on your plan (if he has one) and what he intends to do to improve our situation. His statement that he likes the roster as is was ridiculous.
Agree
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This opinion of Adonis keeps me somewhat optimistic. Tom K knows his "stuff".
“Conditioning is the key,” Konchalski said. “As long as he gets in the best shape he can, he’s going to be a terrific college player.”
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I would be more excited about getting this kid if we had a coach who could actually develop players.
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Many criticize Lavin for pumping up his players and spinning disappointments. How about viewing it through the prism of the real world. Ever hear a CEO explain a bad quarter by saying our sales team took three months off and our product is inferior to competition? Ever hear Obama say sorry folks, Obamacare may not have been a good idea? Ever hear our military say from the front, sorry Commander, we are getting our butts kicked. Leaders do what they can to pump up their team's confidence. Leaders spin what has happened while trying to make the result better. Leaders inspire optimism, not breed despair. The criticism of Lavin on this issue is sophomoric. Do you expect him to say --we have a new recruit with some gaps in his game and it is uncertain he will be able to improve? Or should he say, I see little hope for this team improving? Or, we keep going over this with players a and b in practice but can't seem to overcome their ego, or their lack of basketball iq? These criticisms of Lavin are just silly, and reflect a lack of experience in the real world. A press conference is not a Confessional. It's purpose is not to commit hari kari, but to put the best front on what is occurring for many good reasons--morale, public perception, confidence boosting, optimism, recruiting, etc etc. The first coach to stand up and say "This program is in hopeless shape " will also be a former coach. It is terrible leadership. All here say Roberts was a man of integrity. Anyone remember him saying, sorry guys, I am in over my head, or try as I might, I can't attract top recruits? Get real, guys.
No one is asking him to do that, just be slightly more grounded in his comments. Don't act like things are going exactly as planned, when clearly sh*t is hitting the fan.
I've pointed it out several times on here, but over the last two months Calipari has repeatedly said it was his fault the team wasn't playing up to their potential, that he didn't have them ready to go early in the season, and even that there were tactical mistakes made.
And I posted several comments from his players that said they really appreciated that he was man enough to do that.
If you want more proof, do yourself a favor and go google "coaches taking the blame". Mike Woodson was honest after that fiasco with the clock at the end of the Wizards game in December. Tortarella has said it's his fault the Cannucks are playing awful.
Blazers coach Terry Scotts? Nuggets coach Brian Shaw Matt Painter at Purdue? They are all doing the same thing.
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Is the stream not working for anybody else?
Also trippy to see inside CK for the first time since like 2008. So many great memories there.
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He's coming. Very cool to see.
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WELCOME ADONIS!
Excited to watch your development, thank you for showing your support for SJU.
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Time to get to work and get him in shape
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He's coming. Very cool to see.
Great!! And the countdown to some who will say ADR is better than Sampson and Obekpa will begin in 5, 4, 3, ...
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Thrilled to have Adonis aboard!
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Plyometrics!!!!!
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Adonis, welcome aboard!
I apologize in advance for the bashing you will take next year from this fan base.
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if it's adonis in this picture: http://zagsblog.com/articles/adonis-delarosa-to-st-johns/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/adonis-delarosa-to-st-johns/) he doesn't look overweight to me (not that it would necessarily matter, manboobs on xavier had no trouble beating up on us)
either way, it's good to get a front court commit and hopefully he can help this team
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He's coming. Very cool to see.
Great!! And the countdown to some who will say ADR is better than Sampson and Obekpa will begin in 5, 4, 3, ...
It's like an addiction, we can't help ourselves. Hopefully he is a solid team player, who can give us some good minutes.
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@NYPost_Brazille 4m
Delarosa cited relationship with Tony Chiles as major factor. #sjubb
@Ben_Baskin 6m
"The fact that I will be home, can be with my family, and also be an impact player as soon as I come in" - Delarosa on St Johns decision.
@Ben_Baskin 5m
"There's nothing better than playing and putting on for your city. And also you get to play at the Garden"—Delarosa continued.
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@gregthompson27 · 10m ago
On being the first 2014 commit for #sjubb Delarosa says "I'm not gonna spoil any names but I've definitely been talking to some other guys"
@gregthompson27 · 8m ago
Delarosa says at the end of the day it was about staying home & the chance to play on the biggest stage he knows he'll have immediate impact
@gregthompson27 · 7m ago
Delarosa also says he's not worried about having to replace guys like Obekpa up front, he's just going to be himself #BXsports
@gregthompson27 · 6m ago
Asked if interest increased after all the recent #sjubb players left, he said not really. They've shown him love since day 1 #BXsports
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He's coming. Very cool to see.
Great!! And the countdown to some who will say ADR is better than Sampson and Obekpa will begin in 5, 4, 3, ...
It's like an addiction, we can't help ourselves. Hopefully he is a solid team player, who can give us some good minutes.
It is an addiction, and the boards serve as our dealer. Either way, very happy to finally have the large, immovable presence in the middle. If he works hard in the offseason, I think he can contribute next year in a meaningful way.
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Finally someone from the CHSAA. Just give him time to develop-he is not Alcindor/Jabbar
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@gregthompson27 · 10m ago
On being the first 2014 commit for #sjubb Delarosa says "I'm not gonna spoil any names but I've definitely been talking to some other guys"
@gregthompson27 · 8m ago
Delarosa says at the end of the day it was about staying home & the chance to play on the biggest stage he knows he'll have immediate impact
@gregthompson27 · 7m ago
Delarosa also says he's not worried about having to replace guys like Obekpa up front, he's just going to be himself #BXsports
@gregthompson27 · 6m ago
Asked if interest increased after all the recent #sjubb players left, he said not really. They've shown him love since day 1 #BXsports
at least someone on the staff wasn't lazy!!!!!!!!! like another poster said nice to have a local kid join the team.
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He's coming. Very cool to see.
Great!! And the countdown to some who will say ADR is better than Sampson and Obekpa will begin in 5, 4, 3, ...
It's like an addiction, we can't help ourselves. Hopefully he is a solid team player, who can give us some good minutes.
It is an addiction, and the boards serve as our dealer. Either way, very happy to finally have the large, immovable presence in the middle. If he works hard in the offseason, I think he can contribute next year in a meaningful way.
+1
I'm happy to have him. It's been a long time since we had an aircraft carrier who can take up space and post people up.
But I really worth that this is Phil Greene 2.0 He's going to be thrust into a role he's not ready for. More minutes and responsibility than he should be given.
He would be good for what he should be, a backup center for now as he develops. Maybe a starter as an upper classman.
But we're going to need big things from him right away. And that's a recipe for disaster in my opinion.
Sorry to be negative. I'm glad we got him.
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@gregthompson27 · 10m ago
On being the first 2014 commit for #sjubb Delarosa says "I'm not gonna spoil any names but I've definitely been talking to some other guys"
Staff can take it easy as it looks like Adonis is doing the recruiting for St. John's
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@gregthompson27 · 10m ago
On being the first 2014 commit for #sjubb Delarosa says "I'm not gonna spoil any names but I've definitely been talking to some other guys"
Staff can take it easy as it looks like Adonis is doing the recruiting for St. John's
Anyone have intell on who "some other guys" are?
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Happy to finally have a true big. Not to be negative or anything because I like Adonis' game but we still need alot more upfront or else we will be in trouble. Regardless, glad he's coming to SJU and hopefully this will push the black cloud away for a little bit
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Good job by the staff on not taking a couple hours out of their busy day to go up to Albany.
Don’t sweat it, the extra sleep from not travelling helped.
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Welcome aboard Adonis. Nice to have one frontcourt player on the roster... I do like Adonis' potential as well as size. We need a whole lot more though to have a competitive frontcourt. Still glad to have him coming in.
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Looks like Henderson and Adonis are in. That is 2 down for to go. Hopefully we add another 2 bigs and 2 guards for future depth
Henderson not in. Most know Adonis is coming. I think you are confusing Thomas with Henderson.
Herderson not it? Or not in yet?
Has not visited yet & not sure he is prime on radar.
Under the best circumstances Branch, DLO,Greene, and proably Sheed are gone after next year. Even though our immediate needs are bigs. We have a lot of scholis to give. Staff better start grooming some guards for the future.
Staff should try and get PG Roddy Peters. Sloppy ball handling is his signature - fit right in.
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Hopefully Adonis has already started working on Rawle to join him in a couple years
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Welcome Adonis! Thanks for choosing St. John's. Keep on working hard
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It looks like he has lost weight. In the Zags article listed around 253.
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It looks like he has lost weight. In the Zags article listed around 253.
While I dont believe the 253 for a second, he does look much thinner.
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It looks like he has lost weight. In the Zags article listed around 253.
No way he's 253. He's still pushing 300, guaranteed. He's lost weight, but I saw him play in CHSAA playoffs and he's not a slender 6'11" kid at this point. I don't mind the weight on him at all though. Been forever since we've not been abused by big bodies inside. He just needs to be 260 and replace the fat with muscle.
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It looks like he has lost weight. In the Zags article listed around 253.
No way he's 253. He's still pushing 300, guaranteed. He's lost weight, but I saw him play in CHSAA playoffs and he's not a slender 6'11" kid at this point. I don't mind the weight on him at all though. Been forever since we've not been abused by big bodies inside. He just needs to be 260 and replace the fat with muscle.
in interview he stated that he is 265lbs and wanted to get down to 250 for next season.
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Good news. Feels good to be wanted. Those that have seen him, who does he remind you of? How would you describe his skillset?
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Good news. Feels good to be wanted. Those that have seen him, who does he remind you of? How would you describe his skillset?
Good hands, decent footwork, soft shot. At this point still needs to get off floor higher & quicker and increase endurance. Getting in prime shape could yield real dividends. Can't think of a comparison.
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Omar Samhan?
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I think he can really help us. A regular program of plyometrics could enhance that ability.
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I really don't have an issue with ADR IF we didn't need to use him next year. He would be best redshirting and getting into shape. The one thing the staff does well is conditioning. If he buys into it he may be a useful backup one day.
On the other hand JDR should not be anything more than a walkon and that probably won't happen.
Lets see if the staff can get two more big men (one of which who can score)
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Can he protect the paint defensively?
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I think he can really help us. A regular program of plyometrics could enhance that ability.
Forget plyometrics... Show him the squat rack...
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he can't protect the paint, has limited lateral quickness - I agree that he should be redshirted, but we don't have that option.
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I really don't have an issue with ADR IF we didn't need to use him next year. He would be best redshirting and getting into shape. The one thing the staff does well is conditioning. If he buys into it he may be a useful backup one day.
On the other hand JDR should not be anything more than a walkon and that probably won't happen.
Lets see if the staff can get two more big men (one of which who can score)
Don't get caught up on using all 13 schollies either. Probably only need 11. We found out having all 13 used is not all it is cracked up to be. You simply don't have enough minutes to spread around and you don't need 13 rotation players. 8-9 at the most.
Got a core of 7-8 already in: Jordan, Harrison, Branch, Greene, Pointer, Jones, Delarosa, Thomas? and perhaps Balamou or another recruit.
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he can't protect the paint, has limited lateral quickness - I agree that he should be redshirted, but we don't have that option.
Agree protecting paint is not a strong suit at this point.
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if it's adonis in this picture: http://zagsblog.com/articles/adonis-delarosa-to-st-johns/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/adonis-delarosa-to-st-johns/) he doesn't look overweight to me (not that it would necessarily matter, manboobs on xavier had no trouble beating up on us)
either way, it's good to get a front court commit and hopefully he can help this team
Yeah not overweight for a pie eating contestant but for a basketball player yes just a little bit. :) As for who he reminds one of I submit one Joey Delarosa. ;)
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stood next to him today hes not as overweight as he used to be to be honest, hes a chubby 6'11 kid. he could use more definition if anything. weight room would definately help more than a drastic weight loss program.
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stood next to him today hes not as overweight as he used to be to be honest, hes a chubby 6'11 kid. he could use more definition if anything. weight room would definately help more than a drastic weight loss program.
His weight isn't the main issue. It's his strength at that weight which is the problem. Squat rack, bench press, diet and jump rope and he'll be an "Adonis" if he's committed to it. My brother in law just lost 95 lbs in 110 days and made a massive transformation. Just need hard work and focus.
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stood next to him today hes not as overweight as he used to be to be honest, hes a chubby 6'11 kid. he could use more definition if anything. weight room would definately help more than a drastic weight loss program.
His weight isn't the main issue. It's his strength at that weight which is the problem. Squat rack, bench press, diet and jump rope and he'll be an "Adonis" if he's committed to it. My brother in law just lost 95 lbs in 110 days and made a massive transformation. Just need hard work and focus.
He also needs to work on his conditioning. He doesn't run the floor because he gets tired quick. That can't happen at the college level
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Good news. Feels good to be wanted. Those that have seen him, who does he remind you of? How would you describe his skillset?
Good hands, decent footwork, soft shot. At this point still needs to get off floor higher & quicker and increase endurance. Getting in prime shape could yield real dividends. Can't think of a comparison.
Does he have an up and under?
People talk about Ty Grant here like he was the best rebounder we've ever had, and I liked him a lot, but as a freshman, he was clueless and out of shape. But he improved every year. I'm hoping that Delarosa isn't a sissy like Sampson, Obekpa and Sanchez, and that he welcomes contact.
You're not going to play in the league if you're afraid to get hit.
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stood next to him today hes not as overweight as he used to be to be honest, hes a chubby 6'11 kid. he could use more definition if anything. weight room would definately help more than a drastic weight loss program.
Why do you think that in his senior year, he first needs to be introduced to the weight room? Frankly, that tells me that he doesn't want to be in a weight room. We need kids who are hungry. Lavin excelled with hard working kids. The pussies have all but ruined him.
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This guy needs Jeff Ruland
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Welcome Adonis!!!
I have been very critical of the (lack of) interest of our staff about the recruiting of New York City players.
It is obvious that with this verbal I have to eat crow.
Good work by the coaches.
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Not too concerned about 250 - 260 as long as he's in decent shape. But for every 1/8 th of an inch he's below 6' 11' I'll be very pissed.
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I just can't see him being productive at all next season, you need to recruit as if he isn't even on the team. It's going to take him a while in all areas to become a productive player
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Not too concerned about 250 - 260 as long as he's in decent shape. But for every 1/8 th of an inch he's below 6' 11' I'll be very pissed.
Wow, someone needs some perspective. :idiot2:
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Not too concerned about 250 - 260 as long as he's in decent shape. But for every 1/8 th of an inch he's below 6' 11' I'll be very pissed.
Wow, someone needs some perspective. :idiot2:
And someone needs a sense of humor.
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Not too concerned about 250 - 260 as long as he's in decent shape. But for every 1/8 th of an inch he's below 6' 11' I'll be very pissed.
It's a running joke on this site about lack of 7 footers and/or guys who consistently measure 1 or 2 inches below their reported height. But as an interloper you wouldn't know that.
Wow, someone needs some perspective. :idiot2:
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http://www.newyorkbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/04/local-big-man-delarosa-helps-st-johns.html (http://www.newyorkbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/04/local-big-man-delarosa-helps-st-johns.html)
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Man CR and his tangents ;)
I am all for taking risks but I don't know if we are there with scholarship distribution yet.
Certainly wasn't thinking for this class. But we definately lose Orlando, Gift and Marco after next season. Very likely Jakarr and possibly D'Lo. So at least 4 rides and possibly 5, with a core of Jordan, Green, Branch, Pointer, Balamou, Obekpa, Hooper, and Jones back for 2015. We'll need bigs anyway - if we get an elite big, that would be terrific. But if not, more than willing for Steve to take an end of the bench roster spot flyer on a Ryan Hollins or Mike Fey. In his 9 years as a head coach Steve Lavin has only signed 4 scholarship players over 6'9 - Dan Gadzuric, Jerome Moiso, Ryan Hollins and Mike Fey. Gadzuric and Moiso were elite, early contributors. Hollins and Fey were "sleeper" project guys, who developed over time in the program. All but Fey were NBA players, Fey was a 15/8 guy in the NBDL, with a real nice Euro career.
Now here was a guy who was worth reading. It's interesting reading the first few pages of posts on the early recruitment of this kid. Would people say he had a better senior season than expected? He did go out as a champ.
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looks like the de la Rosa's are already fitting in with the team:
Joey Delarosa @DelarosaJoey
Beautiful day out in New York City today
Phil Greene IV @philgreene31
@DelarosaJoey okkkk Joey lol
Joey Delarosa @DelarosaJoey
@philgreene31 started already lol
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Man CR and his tangents ;)
I am all for taking risks but I don't know if we are there with scholarship distribution yet.
Certainly wasn't thinking for this class. But we definately lose Orlando, Gift and Marco after next season. Very likely Jakarr and possibly D'Lo. So at least 4 rides and possibly 5, with a core of Jordan, Green, Branch, Pointer, Balamou, Obekpa, Hooper, and Jones back for 2015. We'll need bigs anyway - if we get an elite big, that would be terrific. But if not, more than willing for Steve to take an end of the bench roster spot flyer on a Ryan Hollins or Mike Fey. In his 9 years as a head coach Steve Lavin has only signed 4 scholarship players over 6'9 - Dan Gadzuric, Jerome Moiso, Ryan Hollins and Mike Fey. Gadzuric and Moiso were elite, early contributors. Hollins and Fey were "sleeper" project guys, who developed over time in the program. All but Fey were NBA players, Fey was a 15/8 guy in the NBDL, with a real nice Euro career.
Now here was a guy who was worth reading. It's interesting reading the first few pages of posts on the early recruitment of this kid. Would people say he had a better senior season than expected? He did go out as a champ.
It's days like these where I miss CR the most.
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Man CR and his tangents ;)
I am all for taking risks but I don't know if we are there with scholarship distribution yet.
Certainly wasn't thinking for this class. But we definately lose Orlando, Gift and Marco after next season. Very likely Jakarr and possibly D'Lo. So at least 4 rides and possibly 5, with a core of Jordan, Green, Branch, Pointer, Balamou, Obekpa, Hooper, and Jones back for 2015. We'll need bigs anyway - if we get an elite big, that would be terrific. But if not, more than willing for Steve to take an end of the bench roster spot flyer on a Ryan Hollins or Mike Fey. In his 9 years as a head coach Steve Lavin has only signed 4 scholarship players over 6'9 - Dan Gadzuric, Jerome Moiso, Ryan Hollins and Mike Fey. Gadzuric and Moiso were elite, early contributors. Hollins and Fey were "sleeper" project guys, who developed over time in the program. All but Fey were NBA players, Fey was a 15/8 guy in the NBDL, with a real nice Euro career.
Now here was a guy who was worth reading. It's interesting reading the first few pages of posts on the early recruitment of this kid. Would people say he had a better senior season than expected? He did go out as a champ.
It's days like these where I miss CR the most.
Yes. The JJ board "shrapnel" would be flying around, and CR would post and reign it in with some facts and solid conjecture. I can only wonder how he would have found some factual support to provide Lavs as he's been under JJ "siege" since the end of the season ending NIT loss.
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Today at Jordan regional game;
@CNG_Staszewski: Samson Usilo has 12 points, Khadeen Carrington 9 and Adonis Delarosa seven as their team trails 47-42 at the half at the Jordan Classic.
@DelarosaJoey: Adonis putting people in the blender with these post moves ..... THATS WHAT WE LIKE @philgreene31 @adelarosa0920
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@NJHoops: St. John's bound Adonis De La Rosa has gotten much more aggressive & polished since we last saw him in AAU play
@AdamZagoria: #Sjubb bound @adelarosa0920 with 12 and 7 for White.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/delarosa-talks-obekpa-return-more-recruits-at-jordan-brand-classic/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/delarosa-talks-obekpa-return-more-recruits-at-jordan-brand-classic/)
BTW-Does anyone know if Adonis has signed his NLI? Trust me I am not insinuating that he is not fully committed (he is) just wondering because at this point he can.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/delarosa-talks-obekpa-return-more-recruits-at-jordan-brand-classic/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/delarosa-talks-obekpa-return-more-recruits-at-jordan-brand-classic/)
BTW-Does anyone know if Adonis has signed his NLI? Trust me I am not insinuating that he is not fully committed (he is) just wondering because at this point he can.
Is his brother definitely on the team? He mentioned how him and Joey will be battling with Obekpa?
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Competition is a great thing
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@ctkcoachjarbs: Congrats to @adelarosa0920 being named POY in Queens and finalist for all-city POY by the @NYDNHighSchool
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Saw him being interviewed on Brooklyn 12 sports. Says he's glad Opekpa decided to return and is looking forward to playing with him. Says he could teach Obekpa some moves around the basket and he can learn how to block and defend from Opekpa. Seems like a nice kid.
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Delarosa has a long way to go, but I'm still happy to have a true big body on the team. Not sure what his brother can offer, but still nice to have some size to plant inside.
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Sounds like from his twitter page that his sister passed away.
God speed Adonis!!!
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jesus..... what is up with the black cloud over our players.. god bless the family.
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Wow. Prayers are with you Adonis
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adonis delarosa @adelarosa0920 · 1h
Omw to DR to to be with my sister who is now in heaven 💔😢😢😢😔 http://instagram.com/p/nWlkFYstTZ/ (http://instagram.com/p/nWlkFYstTZ/)
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Now that recent SAT score results are out, can we expect Adonis to formally commit to SJU or did I miss something? Perhaps it is not a score issue, but curious why his commitment has not been finalized.
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I think the staff likes to wait until the class is finalized before making any official announcements, so probably waiting on outcome of transfers.
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I think the staff likes to wait until the class is finalized before making any official announcements, so probably waiting on outcome of transfers.
makes sense
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Did they announce Thomas?
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anyone else concerned ADL was taking the SAT today?
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anyone else concerned ADL was taking the SAT today?
Unless he was taking it to try and boost his score from 1370 to 1400 to show how he can help the APR next year, it is a good point - why is a senior taking it so late except to remedy a possibly low socre?
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In addition to finding out if ADR qualifies, hopefully, in not too distant future, it is clarified;
What Joe DelaRosa roster status will be, walk on or scholarship player.
Status of Felix's hardship/red shirt appeal is. It would be terrible for him if he lost a season due to re activating him last year. Obviously he is not going to play much this season & could help going forward.
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Is Joey Delarosa any good? Who cares if Felix gets another year ? Not trying to be mean, he didn't play last year because he isn't good enough? Hopefully he took advantage And got credits. I have nothing against him. 2 guards need to be able to dribble and score .
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Is Joey Delarosa any good? Who cares if Felix gets another year ? Not trying to be mean, he didn't play last year because he isn't good enough? Hopefully he took advantage And got credits. I have nothing against him. 2 guards need to be able to dribble and score .
Remember how much better paris horne got after his freshmen year? In no way was he a good shooter or ball handler as a freshmen but he could defend and compete athletically with anyone. He came back the next year and averaged over 14 points. Well felix gets an extra year and has some of the same characteristics as paris, not to mention was a better high school player, and you dont care weather of not he has two or three years left? It could be a HUGE difference.
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Is Joey Delarosa any good? Who cares if Felix gets another year ? Not trying to be mean, he didn't play last year because he isn't good enough? Hopefully he took advantage And got credits. I have nothing against him. 2 guards need to be able to dribble and score .
Remember how much better paris horne got after his freshmen year? In no way was he a good shooter or ball handler as a freshmen but he could defend and compete athletically with anyone. He came back the next year and averaged over 14 points. Well felix gets an extra year and has some of the same characteristics as paris, not to mention was a better high school player, and you dont care weather of not he has two or three years left? It could be a HUGE difference.
This is idea of just replacing everyone who doesn't start off playing, and playing often right away is a Norm Roberts practice. It failed for him because you have no continuity, and no experience. It would be great to add players with the idea in mind that they'll stay 4 years. Sampson had other ideas. But for the majority, it makes sense to create a system where by year 3, if you're not a star, at least you can be a solid role player, and in some cases, that's better than a star.
Felix played, what 10 minutes last year? Give the kid a break. It seems to me that the plan was to redshirt him, and then something happened along the way, and that plan changed. He deserves to play college ball for 3 more years. One thing we do know about him: He needs work on his 3 point shooting. He needs to work on his handle, big time. Some things he does well: He can hit a mid range jumper, he hits free throws and on defense, he hustles, and doesn't back off when a bigger or stronger player is battling for position. That's something we could a hand in, seeing how we were one of the softest teams in the league last year.
Joey Delarosa hasn't shown anything at the D1 level that should any of us to believe that he'll help us now that he'll be playing at a more competitive level.
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anyone else concerned ADL was taking the SAT today?
We'd be crazy not to be.
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Can someone clarify that there are legitimate eligibility issues with Adonis?
We need him and Joey to relieve Obek in and around foul trouble this year, their size and added depth are welcomed additions to the squad.
I'm very excited to see Adonis progressively develop over 4 years.
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Can someone clarify that there are legitimate eligibility issues with Adonis?
If he was taking the SAT This late - he hasn't gotten the score he needs yet
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Hopefully he gets requisite SAT score;
@adelarosa0920: THE DELAROSA BROTHERS ON THE SAME TEAM NEXT YEAR #SCARYSIGHT #WEDONTPLAYFAIR… http://t.co/GnBLMmWDsI (http://t.co/GnBLMmWDsI)
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@Mrodrig223: Dyckman All Stars selections:
Adonis DeLaRosa, Angel Delgado, Chris McCullough, Desi Rodriguez, Donovan Mitchell, Elijah Davis...
@Mrodrig223: Dyckman All Stars cont: Giovanni McLean, Joey DeLaRosa, Paul Jorgensen, Shaun Lawton and Vincent Franklin. #dyckmanbasketball
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He's in terrible shape.
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He's in terrible shape.
Athletically or academically? Or worse, both?
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He's in terrible shape.
Joey looks in decent shape. Adonis has long way to go it appears.
http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/ (http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/)
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He's in terrible shape.
Joey looks in decent shape. Adonis has long way to go it appears.
http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/ (http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/)
This should come as a shock to no one. We knew what we were getting in this situation.
The challenge was always going to be to get him into game shape. That hasn't changed
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He's in terrible shape.
Joey looks in decent shape. Adonis has long way to go it appears.
http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/ (http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/)
This should come as a shock to no one. We knew what we were getting in this situation.
The challenge was always going to be to get him into game shape. That hasn't changed
It would not be the worst thing if he sat out a year & got into shape, provided he is willing to pay the price.
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He's in terrible shape.
Joey looks in decent shape. Adonis has long way to go it appears.
http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/ (http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/)
This should come as a shock to no one. We knew what we were getting in this situation.
The challenge was always going to be to get him into game shape. That hasn't changed
It would not be the worst thing if he sat out a year & got into shape, provided he is willing to pay the price.
That leaves us very thin in the front court Paultz. I'm all for Adonis getting into shape, but I don't see Joey giving us much if anything, and that leaves just a foul-prone Obekpa to play center.
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He's in terrible shape.
Joey looks in decent shape. Adonis has long way to go it appears.
http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/ (http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/)
This should come as a shock to no one. We knew what we were getting in this situation.
The challenge was always going to be to get him into game shape. That hasn't changed
It would not be the worst thing if he sat out a year & got into shape, provided he is willing to pay the price.
That leaves us very thin in the front court Paultz. I'm all for Adonis getting into shape, but I don't see Joey giving us much if anything, and that leaves just a foul-prone Obekpa to play center.
I should have said "If he does not qualify, it would not be worst thing to sit out & get in shape." Sorry. I agree with you regarding front court depth. Man, is this 14 recruiting haul underwhelming to date.
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His body looks better than I expected. I guess conditioning is the bigger issue, though.
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He's in terrible shape.
Joey looks in decent shape. Adonis has long way to go it appears.
http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/ (http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/)
This should come as a shock to no one. We knew what we were getting in this situation.
The challenge was always going to be to get him into game shape. That hasn't changed
It would not be the worst thing if he sat out a year & got into shape, provided he is willing to pay the price.
That leaves us very thin in the front court Paultz. I'm all for Adonis getting into shape, but I don't see Joey giving us much if anything, and that leaves just a foul-prone Obekpa to play center.
I should have said "If he does not qualify, it would not be worst thing to sit out & get in shape." Sorry. I agree with you regarding front court depth. Man, is this 14 recruiting haul underwhelming to date.
To date? It's only late June. Let's see how this plays out as some are want to say.
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He's in terrible shape.
Joey looks in decent shape. Adonis has long way to go it appears.
http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/ (http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/)
This should come as a shock to no one. We knew what we were getting in this situation.
The challenge was always going to be to get him into game shape. That hasn't changed
It would not be the worst thing if he sat out a year & got into shape, provided he is willing to pay the price.
That leaves us very thin in the front court Paultz. I'm all for Adonis getting into shape, but I don't see Joey giving us much if anything, and that leaves just a foul-prone Obekpa to play center.
I should have said "If he does not qualify, it would not be worst thing to sit out & get in shape." Sorry. I agree with you regarding front court depth. Man, is this 14 recruiting haul underwhelming to date.
To date? It's only late June. Let's see how this plays out as some are want to say.
Celtics, the 2014 recruiting cycle is over.
What do you expect to come down the pipe?
Good, bad, or otherwise, there are very very few good options available.
Coaches are trying to seal the deal w 2015 kids and solidify their position with the rising juniors.
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He's in terrible shape.
Joey looks in decent shape. Adonis has long way to go it appears.
http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/ (http://instagram.com/p/pmxhKch1s2/)
This should come as a shock to no one. We knew what we were getting in this situation.
The challenge was always going to be to get him into game shape. That hasn't changed
It would not be the worst thing if he sat out a year & got into shape, provided he is willing to pay the price.
That leaves us very thin in the front court Paultz. I'm all for Adonis getting into shape, but I don't see Joey giving us much if anything, and that leaves just a foul-prone Obekpa to play center.
I should have said "If he does not qualify, it would not be worst thing to sit out & get in shape." Sorry. I agree with you regarding front court depth. Man, is this 14 recruiting haul underwhelming to date.
To date? It's only late June. Let's see how this plays out as some are want to say.
Celtics, the 2014 recruiting cycle is over.
What do you expect to come down the pipe?
Good, bad, or otherwise, there are very very few good options available.
Coaches are trying to seal the deal w 2015 kids and solidify their position with the rising juniors.
Hello. anybody home?
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This 2014-2015 year is huge for Lavin IMO. Between the lack of recruiting success (average recruiting) and the lack of NCAA appearances, he needs to really step it up this year. Otherwise he's no better than some no name ass't coach that SJU could get from a local smaller school which I'd prefer cuz he'd be hungry.
If the results on the court aren't good this year then there's no way in hell Briscoe, Diallo and other top recruits come here. He has to yield results on the floor before the blue chips follow.
Lavin and Rex Ryan are in very similiar positions. 3 straight years without a real postseason yet they still manage to leverage whatever they have to keep a job.
Being a big fan of both teams, there better be a coaching change for both teams if they don't make the postseason this year. 4 straight years of no playoffs or NCAA = time to move on.
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He's in terrible shape.
Athletically or academically? Or worse, both?
Was told that today is the day kids find out most recent ACT/SAT test scores....
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So a project who is a problem physically and academically ?
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Was told that today is the day kids find out most recent ACT/SAT test scores....
Anyone know of any happy tweets or FB postings from him?
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So a project who is a problem physically and academically ?
It's summertime. There will be fewer posters around to sucker into an exchange with you.
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Hearing he won't qualify. We'll see very shortly.
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Well, the way last season ended and this off season went, Lavin and crew better get themselves an NCAA berth or it will be the end of the line... Everything else, the talk, hyperbole, etc....gets thrown out the window...
Like many of us have said all along- this is the make or break season. The proof is in the results this year.. Go dancing with this group or go walking out the door. Pretty simple
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Hearing he won't qualify. We'll see very shortly.
Honestly doesn't shock me - CTK is an awful school these days...
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@AdamZagoria 1m
St. John's commit Adonis Delarosa is qualified academically, @ctkcoachjarbs tells @SNYtv
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Well, the way last season ended and this off season went, Lavin and crew better get themselves an NCAA berth or it will be the end of the line... Everything else, the talk, hyperbole, etc....gets thrown out the window...
Like many of us have said all along- this is the make or break season. The proof is in the results this year.. Go dancing with this group or go walking out the door. Pretty simple
Ive been a Lavin supporter, but i'm so disappointed in the 14' recruiting efforts. This, IMO, was a more important year than 15' class. I expect to go dancing this year, but then we will lose so much. If we don't land our targets in 15' doubt we dance then. I don't want to be a program that dances once every 3-4 years. That is not what we brought in Lavin for, but that is what we will get by dropping the ball on the 14' class. You can't take a year off and let your hopes lye in landing the talent he's targeting for 15'. Better programs can come in and change a players' decision in a hurry. But if he brought in some talent this year, then some the next we are looking at sustained success. If he doesn't bring in these players' in 15' and we don't dance I'll be ready to move on.
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@AdamZagoria 1m
St. John's commit Adonis Delarosa is qualified academically, @ctkcoachjarbs tells @SNYtv
Glad what I heard was wrong.
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Tremendous news! Adonis and Joey are going to be key contributors next year despite what others think.
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Tremendous news! Adonis and Joey are going to be key contributors next year despite what others think.
Doubt it despite what you think. Unless of course you mean key contributors to losing.
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^^^^ superfan
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^^^^ superfan
We need more fans like him ::)
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Fans we got it is players we need
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Every last one of you haters can kiss.
Adonis is going to be a force in the paint, him and Joey are going to relieve Obekpa throughout the year. The 5-15 minutes of combined energy, toughness, and production will be very much appreciated by mid season.
All we need from the two of them combined is 10/6/2 and it will do wonders for the team. So many people get on this teenager's weight and size, it's pathetic.
This kid is nimble, has tremendous vision for a big and has endless potential over 4 years. Squad has the potential to have a 20-25 win season next year and these two brothers grit and size will be a key component of it. They are quintessential BE intimidating bigs, something the program hasn't had since Burrell.
Idk what some of you don't see, but this team is the Big East favorite next year, we will be in the top 25 throughout the winter. These two will have roles in the mix.
KISSSS!!!!!!!
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All we need from the two of them combined is 10/6/2 and it will do wonders for the team. So many people get on this teenager's weight and size, it's pathetic.
If you mean Adonis and Joey, I'm not sure they can average that -- Joey didn't do much against lesser competition, so I think he pulls the numbers down. I think Adonis could go either way, but he does seem to have softer hands than the average freshman center. We just need him to be in good enough shape to be able to be in position to catch passes from Rysheed. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see 6 ppg from Adonis, but unfortunately would not be surprised by 2 ppg either. Had Obekpa flown the coop I think we would have seen 6-7 ppg simply because Adonis would have been in there as much as his heart and legs could take.
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All we need from the two of them combined is 10/6/2 and it will do wonders for the team. So many people get on this teenager's weight and size, it's pathetic.
If you mean Adonis and Joey, I'm not sure they can average that -- Joey didn't do much against lesser competition, so I think he pulls the numbers down. I think Adonis could go either way, but he does seem to have softer hands than the average freshman center. We just need him to be in good enough shape to be able to be in position to catch passes from Rysheed. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see 6 ppg from Adonis, but unfortunately would not be surprised by 2 ppg either. Had Obekpa flown the coop I think we would have seen 6-7 ppg simply because Adonis would have been in there as much as his heart and legs could take.
Those 2 combining to average 10 6 and 2 in year one will be nothing short of a miracle
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Every last one of you haters can kiss.
Adonis is going to be a force in the paint, him and Joey are going to relieve Obekpa throughout the year. The 5-15 minutes of combined energy, toughness, and production will be very much appreciated by mid season.
All we need from the two of them combined is 10/6/2 and it will do wonders for the team. So many people get on this teenager's weight and size, it's pathetic.
This kid is nimble, has tremendous vision for a big and has endless potential over 4 years. Squad has the potential to have a 20-25 win season next year and these two brothers grit and size will be a key component of it. They are quintessential BE intimidating bigs, something the program hasn't had since Burrell.
Idk what some of you don't see, but this team is the Big East favorite next year, we will be in the top 25 throughout the winter. These two will have roles in the mix.
KISSSS!!!!!!!
Unlike you I say this with all due respect and I do mean respect but as the last 2 posters said they doubt it too. You are talking about a transfer who in his junior year in a much lesser conference averaged 1 pt and 1 reb so in the BE those numbers would probably translate to negative numbers if that was even possible. The other as a senior in high school and by far the biggest kid in his conference averaged 12 pts but now as a freshman in the BE he is going to almost duplicate those numbers? so I think I will pass on your invitation to Kiss, thank-you very much.
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Adonis has been the best big in NY for over 2 years. No one in this state has been able to contain him in the paint, he's a brute force, who put CTK on his back en route to a state championship this past spring. He's now a Johnnie, kiss.
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Adonis has been the best big in NY for over 2 years. No one in this state has been able to contain him in the paint, he's a brute force, who put CTK on his back en route to a state championship this past spring. He's now a Johnnie, kiss.
I hope you're right. His development is crucial for the future of the program. We're going to form a team built around him, Jones, Balamou and Thomas. Training wheels should come off pretty early next season with only one returning experienced big man.
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Adonis has been the best big in NY for over 2 years. No one in this state has been able to contain him in the paint, he's a brute force, who put CTK on his back en route to a state championship this past spring. He's now a Johnnie, kiss.
Dominating 6'1 centers from St Francis Prep isn't easy
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We're going to form a team built around him, Jones, Balamou and Thomas.
That's a terrifying thought.
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Joey will never play and Adonis will average less than what GG did last year.
Also Quan. It isn't unfair to be concerned about Adonis' physical conditioning. I think everyone recognized how good Josh Smith was but he couldn't stay on the floor because he wasn't in good enough shape. Adonis isn't even close to being on Smith's level right now and he isn't in as good of shape as him. He needs to dedicate himself if he wants to have a chance because he does have potential.
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Well, the way last season ended and this off season went, Lavin and crew better get themselves an NCAA berth or it will be the end of the line... Everything else, the talk, hyperbole, etc....gets thrown out the window...
Like many of us have said all along- this is the make or break season. The proof is in the results this year.. Go dancing with this group or go walking out the door. Pretty simple
Ive been a Lavin supporter, but i'm so disappointed in the 14' recruiting efforts. This, IMO, was a more important year than 15' class. I expect to go dancing this year, but then we will lose so much. If we don't land our targets in 15' doubt we dance then. I don't want to be a program that dances once every 3-4 years. That is not what we brought in Lavin for, but that is what we will get by dropping the ball on the 14' class. You can't take a year off and let your hopes lye in landing the talent he's targeting for 15'. Better programs can come in and change a players' decision in a hurry. But if he brought in some talent this year, then some the next we are looking at sustained success. If he doesn't bring in these players' in 15' and we don't dance I'll be ready to move on.
They swung and missed on top guys. The talent level dropped off quickly after that. While I understand the concern, it was good that they didn't offer a scholly to a kid they would just recruit over. They got some big bodies which will help right away (hopefully).
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Well, the way last season ended and this off season went, Lavin and crew better get themselves an NCAA berth or it will be the end of the line... Everything else, the talk, hyperbole, etc....gets thrown out the window...
Like many of us have said all along- this is the make or break season. The proof is in the results this year.. Go dancing with this group or go walking out the door. Pretty simple
Ive been a Lavin supporter, but i'm so disappointed in the 14' recruiting efforts. This, IMO, was a more important year than 15' class. I expect to go dancing this year, but then we will lose so much. If we don't land our targets in 15' doubt we dance then. I don't want to be a program that dances once every 3-4 years. That is not what we brought in Lavin for, but that is what we will get by dropping the ball on the 14' class. You can't take a year off and let your hopes lye in landing the talent he's targeting for 15'. Better programs can come in and change a players' decision in a hurry. But if he brought in some talent this year, then some the next we are looking at sustained success. If he doesn't bring in these players' in 15' and we don't dance I'll be ready to move on.
They swung and missed on top guys. The talent level dropped off quickly after that. While I understand the concern, it was good that they didn't offer a scholly to a kid they would just recruit over. They got some big bodies which will help right away (hopefully).
They can swing and miss on their top guys in 15' as well, then what? They appear to be putting all their eggs in a couple of baskets. If they have 3-4 ships to fill they need to be recruiting 8-10 top players and sign whoever wants to come. They don't appear to be doing that and if their targets doesn't sign they don't have nothing to fall back on except the Adonis's of the world.
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Well, the way last season ended and this off season went, Lavin and crew better get themselves an NCAA berth or it will be the end of the line... Everything else, the talk, hyperbole, etc....gets thrown out the window...
Like many of us have said all along- this is the make or break season. The proof is in the results this year.. Go dancing with this group or go walking out the door. Pretty simple
Ive been a Lavin supporter, but i'm so disappointed in the 14' recruiting efforts. This, IMO, was a more important year than 15' class. I expect to go dancing this year, but then we will lose so much. If we don't land our targets in 15' doubt we dance then. I don't want to be a program that dances once every 3-4 years. That is not what we brought in Lavin for, but that is what we will get by dropping the ball on the 14' class. You can't take a year off and let your hopes lye in landing the talent he's targeting for 15'. Better programs can come in and change a players' decision in a hurry. But if he brought in some talent this year, then some the next we are looking at sustained success. If he doesn't bring in these players' in 15' and we don't dance I'll be ready to move on.
They swung and missed on top guys. The talent level dropped off quickly after that. While I understand the concern, it was good that they didn't offer a scholly to a kid they would just recruit over. They got some big bodies which will help right away (hopefully).
They can swing and miss on their top guys in 15' as well, then what? They appear to be putting all their eggs in a couple of baskets. If they have 3-4 ships to fill they need to be recruiting 8-10 top players and sign whoever wants to come. They don't appear to be doing that and if their targets doesn't sign they don't have nothing to fall back on except the Adonis's of the world.
Its almost as if some of you actually try to invent arguments.
You have no idea who they are targeting? 14 was always going to be different then 15 and 16 based on the scholarship numbers. Lavin knew he had a good team for 14 he did not need the urgency.
I mean short of a commitment a day what do you want?
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Well, the way last season ended and this off season went, Lavin and crew better get themselves an NCAA berth or it will be the end of the line... Everything else, the talk, hyperbole, etc....gets thrown out the window...
Like many of us have said all along- this is the make or break season. The proof is in the results this year.. Go dancing with this group or go walking out the door. Pretty simple
Ive been a Lavin supporter, but i'm so disappointed in the 14' recruiting efforts. This, IMO, was a more important year than 15' class. I expect to go dancing this year, but then we will lose so much. If we don't land our targets in 15' doubt we dance then. I don't want to be a program that dances once every 3-4 years. That is not what we brought in Lavin for, but that is what we will get by dropping the ball on the 14' class. You can't take a year off and let your hopes lye in landing the talent he's targeting for 15'. Better programs can come in and change a players' decision in a hurry. But if he brought in some talent this year, then some the next we are looking at sustained success. If he doesn't bring in these players' in 15' and we don't dance I'll be ready to move on.
They swung and missed on top guys. The talent level dropped off quickly after that. While I understand the concern, it was good that they didn't offer a scholly to a kid they would just recruit over. They got some big bodies which will help right away (hopefully).
They can swing and miss on their top guys in 15' as well, then what? They appear to be putting all their eggs in a couple of baskets. If they have 3-4 ships to fill they need to be recruiting 8-10 top players and sign whoever wants to come. They don't appear to be doing that and if their targets doesn't sign they don't have nothing to fall back on except the Adonis's of the world.
Its almost as if some of you actually try to invent arguments.
You have no idea who they are targeting? 14 was always going to be different then 15 and 16 based on the scholarship numbers. Lavin knew he had a good team for 14 he did not need the urgency.
I mean short of a commitment a day what do you want?
The answer is somewhere in the middle from my perspective. Diallo and Briscoe are the best of the best and are immediate difference makers. They have been the focus for a long time and rightfully so. But if we land only 1 or neither, how does the staff fill 8 ships while being competitive next year? Can anyone even name 8 players being legitimately targeted for 15?
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Why are we recruiting a guy who isn't in shape? How can u out of shape if you are only 18 years old?
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Why are we recruiting a guy who isn't in shape?
The potential to be effective if he gets in shape?
Non-flawed big men are tough to find even in the early signing period. It's probably easier to make an overweight kid less overweight than it is to take a skinny kid with hands of stone and turn him into a scorer.
But ADLR needs to show some commitment -- summer is here, so start exercising. I'd love either he or St. John's to be honest and tell us his real weight so we know just what we are dealing with.
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Conditioning has always been his issue. Does he have the desire to work extremely hard, lose some weight & , most importantly, get into solid shape? The answer historically has been no. Let's hope he seizes the opportunity now. He does have some basic skills we need like passing, rebounding and providing interior physicality. However, in stepping up to a much tougher level of play, he won't contribute much if he can't get up and down the court. The issue is not providing big minutes, but quality time coming off the bench. Time to work hard Adonis!
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Well, the way last season ended and this off season went, Lavin and crew better get themselves an NCAA berth or it will be the end of the line... Everything else, the talk, hyperbole, etc....gets thrown out the window...
Like many of us have said all along- this is the make or break season. The proof is in the results this year.. Go dancing with this group or go walking out the door. Pretty simple
Ive been a Lavin supporter, but i'm so disappointed in the 14' recruiting efforts. This, IMO, was a more important year than 15' class. I expect to go dancing this year, but then we will lose so much. If we don't land our targets in 15' doubt we dance then. I don't want to be a program that dances once every 3-4 years. That is not what we brought in Lavin for, but that is what we will get by dropping the ball on the 14' class. You can't take a year off and let your hopes lye in landing the talent he's targeting for 15'. Better programs can come in and change a players' decision in a hurry. But if he brought in some talent this year, then some the next we are looking at sustained success. If he doesn't bring in these players' in 15' and we don't dance I'll be ready to move on.
They swung and missed on top guys. The talent level dropped off quickly after that. While I understand the concern, it was good that they didn't offer a scholly to a kid they would just recruit over. They got some big bodies which will help right away (hopefully).
They can swing and miss on their top guys in 15' as well, then what? They appear to be putting all their eggs in a couple of baskets. If they have 3-4 ships to fill they need to be recruiting 8-10 top players and sign whoever wants to come. They don't appear to be doing that and if their targets doesn't sign they don't have nothing to fall back on except the Adonis's of the world.
Its almost as if some of you actually try to invent arguments.
You have no idea who they are targeting? 14 was always going to be different then 15 and 16 based on the scholarship numbers. Lavin knew he had a good team for 14 he did not need the urgency.
I mean short of a commitment a day what do you want?
The answer is somewhere in the middle from my perspective. Diallo and Briscoe are the best of the best and are immediate difference makers. They have been the focus for a long time and rightfully so. But if we land only 1 or neither, how does the staff fill 8 ships while being competitive next year? Can anyone even name 8 players being legitimately targeted for 15?
Check out the '15 board.
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Well, the way last season ended and this off season went, Lavin and crew better get themselves an NCAA berth or it will be the end of the line... Everything else, the talk, hyperbole, etc....gets thrown out the window...
Like many of us have said all along- this is the make or break season. The proof is in the results this year.. Go dancing with this group or go walking out the door. Pretty simple
Ive been a Lavin supporter, but i'm so disappointed in the 14' recruiting efforts. This, IMO, was a more important year than 15' class. I expect to go dancing this year, but then we will lose so much. If we don't land our targets in 15' doubt we dance then. I don't want to be a program that dances once every 3-4 years. That is not what we brought in Lavin for, but that is what we will get by dropping the ball on the 14' class. You can't take a year off and let your hopes lye in landing the talent he's targeting for 15'. Better programs can come in and change a players' decision in a hurry. But if he brought in some talent this year, then some the next we are looking at sustained success. If he doesn't bring in these players' in 15' and we don't dance I'll be ready to move on.
They swung and missed on top guys. The talent level dropped off quickly after that. While I understand the concern, it was good that they didn't offer a scholly to a kid they would just recruit over. They got some big bodies which will help right away (hopefully).
They can swing and miss on their top guys in 15' as well, then what? They appear to be putting all their eggs in a couple of baskets. If they have 3-4 ships to fill they need to be recruiting 8-10 top players and sign whoever wants to come. They don't appear to be doing that and if their targets doesn't sign they don't have nothing to fall back on except the Adonis's of the world.
Its almost as if some of you actually try to invent arguments.
You have no idea who they are targeting? 14 was always going to be different then 15 and 16 based on the scholarship numbers. Lavin knew he had a good team for 14 he did not need the urgency.
I mean short of a commitment a day what do you want?
The answer is somewhere in the middle from my perspective. Diallo and Briscoe are the best of the best and are immediate difference makers. They have been the focus for a long time and rightfully so. But if we land only 1 or neither, how does the staff fill 8 ships while being competitive next year? Can anyone even name 8 players being legitimately targeted for 15?
Check out the '15 board.
As far as I can tell, we are only actively recruiting a small handful (3-4) '15 players aside from Diallo and Briscoe. Seems a little concentrated given how many key players will be gone next year. 4 graduating seniors and probably Obekpa and Rysheed will be gone.
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Well, the way last season ended and this off season went, Lavin and crew better get themselves an NCAA berth or it will be the end of the line... Everything else, the talk, hyperbole, etc....gets thrown out the window...
Like many of us have said all along- this is the make or break season. The proof is in the results this year.. Go dancing with this group or go walking out the door. Pretty simple
Ive been a Lavin supporter, but i'm so disappointed in the 14' recruiting efforts. This, IMO, was a more important year than 15' class. I expect to go dancing this year, but then we will lose so much. If we don't land our targets in 15' doubt we dance then. I don't want to be a program that dances once every 3-4 years. That is not what we brought in Lavin for, but that is what we will get by dropping the ball on the 14' class. You can't take a year off and let your hopes lye in landing the talent he's targeting for 15'. Better programs can come in and change a players' decision in a hurry. But if he brought in some talent this year, then some the next we are looking at sustained success. If he doesn't bring in these players' in 15' and we don't dance I'll be ready to move on.
They swung and missed on top guys. The talent level dropped off quickly after that. While I understand the concern, it was good that they didn't offer a scholly to a kid they would just recruit over. They got some big bodies which will help right away (hopefully).
They can swing and miss on their top guys in 15' as well, then what? They appear to be putting all their eggs in a couple of baskets. If they have 3-4 ships to fill they need to be recruiting 8-10 top players and sign whoever wants to come. They don't appear to be doing that and if their targets doesn't sign they don't have nothing to fall back on except the Adonis's of the world.
Its almost as if some of you actually try to invent arguments.
You have no idea who they are targeting? 14 was always going to be different then 15 and 16 based on the scholarship numbers. Lavin knew he had a good team for 14 he did not need the urgency.
I mean short of a commitment a day what do you want?
The answer is somewhere in the middle from my perspective. Diallo and Briscoe are the best of the best and are immediate difference makers. They have been the focus for a long time and rightfully so. But if we land only 1 or neither, how does the staff fill 8 ships while being competitive next year? Can anyone even name 8 players being legitimately targeted for 15?
Check out the '15 board.
As far as I can tell, we are only actively recruiting a small handful (3-4) '15 players aside from Diallo and Briscoe. Seems a little concentrated given how many key players will be gone next year. 4 graduating seniors and probably Obekpa and Rysheed will be gone.
We are getting a visit from Sampson, a quality player, but Mitchell cancelled one earlier I believe. I am not optimistic about Mitchell based on fact that Providence and UConn have been much more involved than SJU. For Diallo, Briscoe & Sampson, you really need to land 2/3, considering imminent roster voids. Do that & fill in with JUCOs, three star kids & transfers I guess. No doubt this is critical and challenging transition year. Sorry for straying off topic.
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We're going to form a team built around him, Jones, Balamou and Thomas.
That's a terrifying thought.
It sure is, but if Lavin is going to show us that he's the right man for the job, he needs to prove that he's building something here other than hype, and one big discombobulated mess.
Balamou and Jones have shown very little in terms of ability to play at the BE level. But in fairness, they haven't been given the minutes to even know themselves if they can. If Lavin has a team made up of Balamou, Jones, Thomas, Delarosa, Stewart and hopefully, Obekpa, it's up to him to define the program that has his name on it.
Norm couldn't do it, and in trying, he was selfish enough to sacrifice the program. At least hasn't Lavin hasn't stooped so low.
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Obekpa's offensive game really took some steps in improvement last year. His low post moves/hook shot and 15 foot jumper are steadily improving, as is his FG percentage. However, he doesn't have the height at 6'8" to be a shoe in 1st rounder with the same offensive production next year.
I think that he needs to take a quantum leap in offensive production, and look a lot less raw in order to jump. His defense this year however should be tremendous with natural bigs now working with him down low. The Delarosa's short stints, to go along with the senior guards knowing the schemes, CJ's muscle and a workhorse in Thomas should really help help him maintain the 5 position. A lot less rotating, making up for Sampson/Sanchez missed assignments should even increase his blocks average. We're going to be a ridiculously talented team this year, especially on defense.
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Obekpa's offensive game improved from non existent to below average. I think we are talented, we will go as far as our guards can take us.
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Why are we recruiting a guy who isn't in shape? How can u out of shape if you are only 18 years old?
You ever see Jamal Mashburn play when he was at Cardinal Hayes.?
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Why are we recruiting a guy who isn't in shape? How can u out of shape if you are only 18 years old?
You ever see Jamal Mashburn play when he was at Cardinal Hayes.?
I was to young. The guy I remember didnt look out of shape. Also times have changed, kids have personal trainers, schools have weight rooms.
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Obekpa's offensive game really took some steps in improvement last year. His low post moves/hook shot and 15 foot jumper are steadily improving, as is his FG percentage. However, he doesn't have the height at 6'8" to be a shoe in 1st rounder with the same offensive production next year.
I think that he needs to take a quantum leap in offensive production, and look a lot less raw in order to jump. His defense this year however should be tremendous with natural bigs now working with him down low. The Delarosa's short stints, to go along with the senior guards knowing the schemes, CJ's muscle and a workhorse in Thomas should really help help him maintain the 5 position. A lot less rotating, making up for Sampson/Sanchez missed assignments should even increase his blocks average. We're going to be a ridiculously talented team this year, especially on defense.
You think Thomas and Jones will be better defenders than Sampson and Sanchez?
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Obekpa's offensive game really took some steps in improvement last year. His low post moves/hook shot and 15 foot jumper are steadily improving, as is his FG percentage. However, he doesn't have the height at 6'8" to be a shoe in 1st rounder with the same offensive production next year.
I think that he needs to take a quantum leap in offensive production, and look a lot less raw in order to jump. His defense this year however should be tremendous with natural bigs now working with him down low. The Delarosa's short stints, to go along with the senior guards knowing the schemes, CJ's muscle and a workhorse in Thomas should really help help him maintain the 5 position. A lot less rotating, making up for Sampson/Sanchez missed assignments should even increase his blocks average. We're going to be a ridiculously talented team this year, especially on defense.
You think Thomas and Jones will be better defenders than Sampson and Sanchez?
Thomas no one has seen. Jones was an awful defender in the limited time we saw him play in 12/13.
That said, Jakarr, when he was paying attention to the defense that the rest of the team was playing, he was capable of playing very good defense. But in all cases, he was afraid of contact, and against bigger, stronger teams he avoided contact with consistency. Sanchez was fine on defense when we played crappy teams. Against the SUs, the Wisonsins and the Nova's, he wasn't quick enough to guard many players.
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Obekpa's offensive game really took some steps in improvement last year. His low post moves/hook shot and 15 foot jumper are steadily improving, as is his FG percentage. However, he doesn't have the height at 6'8" to be a shoe in 1st rounder with the same offensive production next year.
I think that he needs to take a quantum leap in offensive production, and look a lot less raw in order to jump. His defense this year however should be tremendous with natural bigs now working with him down low. The Delarosa's short stints, to go along with the senior guards knowing the schemes, CJ's muscle and a workhorse in Thomas should really help help him maintain the 5 position. A lot less rotating, making up for Sampson/Sanchez missed assignments should even increase his blocks average. We're going to be a ridiculously talented team this year, especially on defense.
You think Thomas and Jones will be better defenders than Sampson and Sanchez?
Do you not? They would have to be pretty awful not to be. Sampson had potential to be a real good defender, against Mcdermott for example, but he never played it consistently. Im not sure whats worse, being an awful defender or being a competent defender and just not giving a rats ass about playing any.
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Hopefully we'll be playing a lot more of the trapping press leading into a match up zone this year, with spurts of man to man assignments. I thought we created havoc when pressing last year and didn't do enough of it.
We should really let our guards sit high on the 1-3-1 matchup zone, and when playing big let these guys control the paint in a 2-3. Jones/Joey and Adonis/Keith should prove to hold their own in a zone D, letting Obekpa roam free around the paint.
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we rarely (if ever press) . Zone wasnt bad, it was awful. We played much better when we played man.
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Congrats, now work hard Adonis!
@AdamZagoria: Adonis Delarosa just signed with St. John's, he tells @SNYtv
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Congrats, now work hard Adonis!
@AdamZagoria: Adonis Delarosa just signed with St. John's, he tells @SNYtv
Does that mean SAT scores are in?
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Congrats, now work hard Adonis!
@AdamZagoria: Adonis Delarosa just signed with St. John's, he tells @SNYtv
Does that mean SAT scores are in?
Yes, he got qualifying score.
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Congrats, now work hard Adonis!
@AdamZagoria: Adonis Delarosa just signed with St. John's, he tells @SNYtv
Does that mean SAT scores are in?
Yes, he got qualifying score.
Good for DLR. One of the few bright spots in an otherwise bad recruiting period for the program.
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"I was able to make it in time to watch former Christ the King big man Adonis Delarosa dominate his last high school game before he heads to St. Johns University. Delarosa started the game by facing numerous double teams. After dropping off three assists in a row, Delarosa finally saw one-on-one coverage and he went to work. He finished easily around the basket with jump hooks and power layups through smaller defenders. Delarosa and his 10th Ave squad went on to win the championship."
http://www.hardwoodinsiders.com/2014/08/dyckman-tournament-championship/ (http://www.hardwoodinsiders.com/2014/08/dyckman-tournament-championship/)
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Vastly underrated!
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Like I've been trying to tell everyone all summer long, this kid is the best kept secret. He's been the state's best big man for 2 years:
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 3h
Without prompting, St John's people talking up freshman big man Adonis Delarosa. #sjubb
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Like I've been trying to tell everyone all summer long, this kid is the best kept secret. He's been the state's best big man for 2 years:
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 3h
Without prompting, St John's people talking up freshman big man Adonis Delarosa. #sjubb
We'll see.
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the key for him will be conditioning. the better shape he is in = more minutes
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Like I've been trying to tell everyone all summer long, this kid is the best kept secret. He's been the state's best big man for 2 years:
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 3h
Without prompting, St John's people talking up freshman big man Adonis Delarosa. #sjubb
We'll see.
So I guess Adonis is this year's Christian Jones/Bourgalt/Hooper re: building hype. Would be wonderful if it turns out to be true, but as Poison said, we'll see. Wouldn't be the first time our hopes were falsely raised.
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Like I've been trying to tell everyone all summer long, this kid is the best kept secret. He's been the state's best big man for 2 years:
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 3h
Without prompting, St John's people talking up freshman big man Adonis Delarosa. #sjubb
Zach is talking about you QuanMan! :)
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Like I've been trying to tell everyone all summer long, this kid is the best kept secret. He's been the state's best big man for 2 years:
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 3h
Without prompting, St John's people talking up freshman big man Adonis Delarosa. #sjubb
We'll see.
Best rebounder Lavin's seen since Jason Kapono.
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Adonis is nothing like felix, marco, or hooper. He is a 3 star recuit from the best HS in the state. He had scholarship offers from good teams. I have no idea if he is any good but he has some pedigree.
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Like I've been trying to tell everyone all summer long, this kid is the best kept secret. He's been the state's best big man for 2 years:
I'd love for this to be true, but wasn't Thomas Bryant in the state two years ago?
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@NYPost_Brazille: No new news on Adonis Delarosa. Holding pattern. Joey Delarosa will be eligible at end of first semester. Not sure exact date. #sjubb
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I thought Adonis could have really helped today, really sucks about this holding pattern. Hate the NCAA.
Anyway a quick check says final exams are over on the 17th. So possibly the St. Mary's game for Joey on the 19th.
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Apparently he's lost 60 pounds and is taking an official to Tennessee per Brad Winton
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Apparently he's lost 60 pounds and is taking an official to Tennessee per Brad Winton
Once again Lavin's judgment is vindicated.
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weight was his only problem, good hands, good shooter (actually makes FTs). He may have smacked Obekpa but someone ddi need to smack him. Wouldn't mind if we had an Act 2. NY kid and he will eat some space.
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@VerbalCommits: 2016 Williston State College (ND) C Adonis DelaRosa has committed to Kent State.
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Kent State grad transfer Adonis De La Rosa has committed to Illinois, per his Twitter page. Immediately eligible.
Antigua strikes again, joins fellow local Alan Griffin.