6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Marco Baldi on December 28, 2016, 03:23:31 PM
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
I like it
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
Why don't you just come out and start a thread that you (incorrectly) think Lovett will transfer instead of posting in dog whistle.
You are like the poltergeist that grows as it feeds on fear and attention.
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Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
Why don't you just come out and start a thread that you (incorrectly) think Lovett will transfer instead of posting in dog whistle.
You are like the poltergeist that grows as it feeds on fear and attention.
I already said he was leaving. And tears followed
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
I like it
The more important question is; Whos going to be on the team next year. Assuming Lovett leaves, I like your lineup.
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
Why don't you just come out and start a that you (incorrectly) thinkLovett will transfer instead of posting in dog whistle.
You are like the poltergeist that grows as it feeds on fear and attention.
Unfortunately I have heard the Lovett rumor by much more reliable / soberer posters than Bluto
Hope not true and even if it is Lovett seems to have habit of changing his mind so who knows. Would not surprise me if he left, hope he stays.
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
Why don't you just come out and start a thread that you (incorrectly) think Lovett will transfer instead of posting in dog whistle.
You are like the poltergeist that grows as it feeds on fear and attention.
How do you know Marco is incorrect? [ He implied leaving, not transferring].
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
I like it
Not an NCAA tournament starting 5
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
I like it
Not an NCAA tournament starting 5
Ponds Junior year, we make the jump
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
I like it
Not an NCAA tournament starting 5
I think Ahmed will be much better next year and Clark and Simon will be good players for us. Hopefully Lovett stays.
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
I like it
Not an NCAA tournament starting 5
I think Ahmed will be much better next year and Clark and Simon will be good players for us. Hopefully Lovett stays.
If Lovett is here we are a tournament team. No doubt Simon and Clark will be good players, still don't think that's an NCAA tournament starting 5
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
Why don't you just come out and start a that you (incorrectly) thinkLovett will transfer instead of posting in dog whistle.
You are like the poltergeist that grows as it feeds on fear and attention.
Unfortunately I have heard the Lovett rumor by much more reliable / soberer posters than Bluto
Hope not true and even if it is Lovett seems to have habit of changing his mind so who knows. Would not surprise me if he left, hope he stays.
This is like an identical replay of Harrison. Baldi flies off the coach's bandwagon and starts rampantly posting transfer and quitting rumors. You attempt to validate his rumor with better information....
You and Baldi have this good cop bad cop down. It's a shame you guys don't
have a radio show. Scotch could have been your Artie Lange and Scheppy could have been your Beetlejuice.
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I could see Lovett leaving to play overseas, it would suck a lot but I wouldn't be mad at the kid.
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
Why don't you just come out and start a that you (incorrectly) thinkLovett will transfer instead of posting in dog whistle.
You are like the poltergeist that grows as it feeds on fear and attention.
Unfortunately I have heard the Lovett rumor by much more reliable / soberer posters than Bluto
Hope not true and even if it is Lovett seems to have habit of changing his mind so who knows. Would not surprise me if he left, hope he stays.
This is like an identical replay of Harrison. Baldi flies off the coach's bandwagon and starts rampantly posting transfer and quitting rumors. You attempt to validate his rumor with better information....
You and Baldi have this good cop bad cop down. It's a shame you guys don't
have a radio show. Scotch could have been your Artie Lange and Scheppy could have been your Beetlejuice.
I am just saying the rumor is out there. Unlike Bluto i don't have any ulterior motives. I actually like ST john's and I like the two guards. I hope he stays.
There was a rumor that he was leaving when he was ruled ineligible. There was countless rumors about Jordan taking sabbaticals to Philly whenever he felt like it and of him leaving. Some of these turned out true some didn't. This particular one was told to me by two people that seem to actually get inside stuff.It doesn't mean everything they hear comes true. Hopefully this is one of them.
As for Bluto, I like him despite the nonsense he posts but if it was just him I would not have put much into it as his sources live in his head.
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
Why don't you just come out and start a that you (incorrectly) thinkLovett will transfer instead of posting in dog whistle.
You are like the poltergeist that grows as it feeds on fear and attention.
Unfortunately I have heard the Lovett rumor by much more reliable / soberer posters than Bluto
Hope not true and even if it is Lovett seems to have habit of changing his mind so who knows. Would not surprise me if he left, hope he stays.
This is like an identical replay of Harrison. Baldi flies off the coach's bandwagon and starts rampantly posting transfer and quitting rumors. You attempt to validate his rumor with better information....
You and Baldi have this good cop bad cop down. It's a shame you guys don't
have a radio show. Scotch could have been your Artie Lange and Scheppy could have been your Beetlejuice.
Don't remember Baldi saying Harrison was going to leave.
I remember me saying he was going to transfer to Baylor based on nothing other than I would have transferred if I was him, Baylor is shady and he was from Texas
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Are these Simon and Clark guys any good?
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Are these Simon and Clark guys any good?
Pencil in Clark for 12 and 6
Simon more skilled version of Ellison
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Yawke
Ahmed
Clark
Ponds
Lovett
Reserves
Simon
Ellison
Freudenberg
Owens
Brown
Williams Mussini Amar gone
3 more ships to give or stash a few for the loaded 18 class
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Yawke
Ahmed
Clark
Ponds
Lovett
Reserves
Simon
Ellison
Freudenberg
Owens
Brown
Williams Mussini Amar gone
3 more ships to give or stash a few for the loaded 18 class
If Brown is here I hope he is good enough to start
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Are these Simon and Clark guys any good?
Yes. Simon was highly rated out of HS, Both from excellent programs w redshirt year to work on their games.
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
Why don't you just come out and start a that you (incorrectly) thinkLovett will transfer instead of posting in dog whistle.
You are like the poltergeist that grows as it feeds on fear and attention.
Unfortunately I have heard the Lovett rumor by much more reliable / soberer posters than Bluto
Hope not true and even if it is Lovett seems to have habit of changing his mind so who knows. Would not surprise me if he left, hope he stays.
This is like an identical replay of Harrison. Baldi flies off the coach's bandwagon and starts rampantly posting transfer and quitting rumors. You attempt to validate his rumor with better information....
You and Baldi have this good cop bad cop down. It's a shame you guys don't
have a radio show. Scotch could have been your Artie Lange and Scheppy could have been your Beetlejuice.
The reason I believe the rumor maybe true is because the S.FL kid is visiting. He wouldn't be considering us if everyone returns IMO. Who knows, maybe Mussini is leaving and this kid replaces him. That would make Fun happy. But ,I doubt it. On the other hand. Why should Lovett make a decision now instead of waiting till the end of the year. And how does the staff know what he is thinking, unless he flat out told them.
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The USF kid is visiting because he is an extremely talented player and scorer who has done it vs a high level of competition and bad teams such as SJU are in no position to say no to the addition of talent irrespective of position.
As for Lovett yes their are 100% rumblings that he plans on leaving as soon as the season ends. This is just a fact and those around the program know it. Now.....this kid is a decent kid with a TON of people in his ear(please notice I avoided the P word....dont want to upset Lebron and Maverick) so I think the staff believes they can convince him to stay and the alternatives are not attractive or beneficial. We shall see....
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The USF kid is visiting because he is an extremely talented player and scorer who has done it vs a high level of competition and bad teams such as SJU are in no position to say no to the addition of talent irrespective of position.
As for Lovett yes their are 100% rumblings that he plans on leaving as soon as the season ends. This is just a fact and those around the program know it. Now.....this kid is a decent kid with a TON of people in his ear(please notice I avoided the P word....dont want to upset Lebron and Maverick) so I think the staff believes they can convince him to stay and the alternatives are not attractive or beneficial. We shall see....
Thanks for the insight. My whole thing regarding McMurray is not why is the staff interested in him but rather why is he interested in us. The staff should always take measures to bring in good players, which McMurray is, but why would he be interested in joining this backcourt logjam, unless he was told that there won't be this much of a logjam next season
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Lovett is staying, buddy thing with Ponds. Lovett, Ponds, Clark, Brown, Ahmed. Lots of rotation, particularly Yakwe, Freud, simon, Ellison and Mussini only being spotted. I think Ellison is the most likely transfer as he could easily be behind Simon. Freud will get more play than Yakwe as he develops. Great depth.....Owens will split center spot with Brown. (buy Owens some Pizza) If Yakwe doesn't improve he may be the odd man out on the front line. If things go well a pressing, aggressive teams is possible since the minutes, except for Ponds, will be spread around.
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Lovett is staying, buddy thing with Ponds. Lovett, Ponds, Clark, Brown, Ahmed. Lots of rotation, particularly Yakwe, Freud, simon, Ellison and Mussini only being spotted. I think Ellison is the most likely transfer as he could easily be behind Simon. Freud will get more play than Yakwe as he develops. Great depth.....Owens will split center spot with Brown. (buy Owens some Pizza) If Yakwe doesn't improve he may be the odd man out on the front line. If things go well a pressing, aggressive teams is possible since the minutes, except for Ponds, will be spread around.
Let's hope your are right. That's a bubble team imo
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The USF kid is visiting because he is an extremely talented player and scorer who has done it vs a high level of competition and bad teams such as SJU are in no position to say no to the addition of talent irrespective of position.
As for Lovett yes their are 100% rumblings that he plans on leaving as soon as the season ends. This is just a fact and those around the program know it. Now.....this kid is a decent kid with a TON of people in his ear(please notice I avoided the P word....dont want to upset Lebron and Maverick) so I think the staff believes they can convince him to stay and the alternatives are not attractive or beneficial. We shall see....
Thanks for the insight. My whole thing regarding McMurray is not why is the staff interested in him but rather why is he interested in us. The staff should always take measures to bring in good players, which McMurray is, but why would he be interested in joining this backcourt logjam, unless he was told that there won't be this much of a logjam next season
Does him playing AAU with Clark and going to the same high school as Derrick Walker and Marvin Clark not answer that for you? Why would a kid that can score 20 pppg be scared of anyone on a losing team? That is the kind of mentality we want in a player, no? He sees himself
As "Baby Steph Curry" because of his shooting ability...I don't think he'd mind a role that lets him shoot and score off the ball ala Curry at Davidson.
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The USF kid is visiting because he is an extremely talented player and scorer who has done it vs a high level of competition and bad teams such as SJU are in no position to say no to the addition of talent irrespective of position.
As for Lovett yes their are 100% rumblings that he plans on leaving as soon as the season ends. This is just a fact and those around the program know it. Now.....this kid is a decent kid with a TON of people in his ear(please notice I avoided the P word....dont want to upset Lebron and Maverick) so I think the staff believes they can convince him to stay and the alternatives are not attractive or beneficial. We shall see....
Thanks for the insight. My whole thing regarding McMurray is not why is the staff interested in him but rather why is he interested in us. The staff should always take measures to bring in good players, which McMurray is, but why would he be interested in joining this backcourt logjam, unless he was told that there won't be this much of a logjam next season
Does him playing AAU with Clark and going to the same high school as Derrick Walker and Marvin Clark not answer that for you? Why would a kid that can score 20 pppg be scared of anyone on a losing team? That is the kind of mentality we want in a player, no? He sees himself
As "Baby Steph Curry" because of his shooting ability...I don't think he'd mind a role that lets him shoot and score off the ball ala Curry at Davidson.
I'm sure he has a ton of "handlers" advising him along the way. They are going to advise him to go somewhere where he'd be guaranteed to get as many minutes and shots as he was getting at USF. If Lovett, Ponds and Simon are here next year, he wouldn't
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The USF kid is visiting because he is an extremely talented player and scorer who has done it vs a high level of competition and bad teams such as SJU are in no position to say no to the addition of talent irrespective of position.
As for Lovett yes their are 100% rumblings that he plans on leaving as soon as the season ends. This is just a fact and those around the program know it. Now.....this kid is a decent kid with a TON of people in his ear(please notice I avoided the P word....dont want to upset Lebron and Maverick) so I think the staff believes they can convince him to stay and the alternatives are not attractive or beneficial. We shall see....
Thanks for the insight. My whole thing regarding McMurray is not why is the staff interested in him but rather why is he interested in us. The staff should always take measures to bring in good players, which McMurray is, but why would he be interested in joining this backcourt logjam, unless he was told that there won't be this much of a logjam next season
Does him playing AAU with Clark and going to the same high school as Derrick Walker and Marvin Clark not answer that for you? Why would a kid that can score 20 pppg be scared of anyone on a losing team? That is the kind of mentality we want in a player, no? He sees himself
As "Baby Steph Curry" because of his shooting ability...I don't think he'd mind a role that lets him shoot and score off the ball ala Curry at Davidson.
I'm sure he has a ton of "handlers" advising him along the way. They are going to advise him to go somewhere where he'd be guaranteed to get as many minutes and shots as he was getting at USF. If Lovett, Ponds and Simon are here next year, he wouldn't
Not only the possibility of reuniting with the guys Marillac mentioned, as well, as playing for--NBA legends--Mullin and Richmond also piques his interest. Lovett is staying, buddy thing with Ponds. Lovett, Ponds, Clark, Brown, Ahmed. Lots of rotation, particularly Yakwe, Freud, simon, Ellison and Mussini only being spotted. I think Ellison is the most likely transfer as he could easily be behind Simon. Freud will get more play than Yakwe as he develops. Great depth.....Owens will split center spot with Brown. (buy Owens some Pizza) If Yakwe doesn't improve he may be the odd man out on the front line. If things go well a pressing, aggressive teams is possible since the minutes, except for Ponds, will be spread around.
Let's hope your are right. That's a bubble team imo
It should easily be a "bubble team," IMO.
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Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
PLEASE
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Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
PLEASE
Too small if you want those guys starting together. Yakwe or Owens would have to start over someone.
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Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
PLEASE
Too small if you want those guys starting together. Yakwe or Owens would have to start over someone.
Not any smaller than lineupes weve used this year. Clark is same size as yakwe. Simon is same size as ellison.
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Does no one think Brown will be a starter? Or does no one think he'll make it to campus? Or is he different class?
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Does no one think Brown will be a starter? Or does no one think he'll make it to campus? Or is he different class?
Doubtful he will be eligible according to most.
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Does no one think Brown will be a starter? Or does no one think he'll make it to campus? Or is he different class?
I haven't given up hope Boo. I think him and Owens will split Center minutes for us pretty evenly.
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Have to have him and / or Walker or a JC big. Big need for us to break out next year.
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Who is Walker?
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Shamarie Ponds
Justin Simon
Bashir Ahmed
Marvin Clark
Tariq Owens
I like it
I'm not sure about the others, but I think Ponds will start.
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Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
PLEASE
Too small if you want those guys starting together. Yakwe or Owens would have to start over someone.
It's not a question of height. If you're a strong 6'5 forward and you always think to box out, you're more valuable than a clueless Sima type who constantly takes plays off.
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Assuming the key players don't leave next year and Brown comes and can actually play as advertised, we will be a Pointer or Postell player away from making a serious run. We need someone who is a glue guy and can help shut down the opposite teams top scoring guard. I'm hoping someone will develop into that.
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Who is Walker?
See recruiting section.
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what do people think the rotation will look like now that it's confirmed there is no brown? It would be nice to bring in a grad transfer big, but I'll assume we're not adding anyone and will play somewhat small. I expect the rotation will include lovett, ponds, ellison, simon, ahmed, yakwe, clark, owens, williams. clark and simon unknowns, but they have decent pedigree, so I'm assuming they get minutes. presumably mussini gets a few minutes if we badly need a three. Freud needs time to develop, and it doesn't look like he'll be ready by next year. alibegovich is a senior, so maybe he progresses and can give a few fouls as needed.
guard: obviously lovett and ponds will be getting major minutes. it would appear that we'll be running a lot of three guard sets with lovett, ponds, simon, and ellison all in line for heavy minutes. simon and ellison both have good size so should be able to guard wings. I could also see four guard sets with all of these guys playing together given the size of the wings.
3/4: ahmed should continue to get minutes, and he appears to be more in control as of late. clark is a question mark, but maybe he can help on the boards
center: hopefully only one of yakwe, owens, and williams on the court at any given time. It would be nice to see one of those guys separate himself from the pack. williams is the most advanced offensively, but this team badly needs defense and rebounding down low. I would hope yakwe can focus on boxing out, moving his feet on defense, and accepting passes on offense and become the guy. owens is the only true center and has a decent midrange game, but we really need him to pull down boards. right now we give up too much having two of these guys on the court together. all seem like really good kids though so hope they can improve.
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Next year starting 5
Yawke Ahmed Simon Ponds Lovett
Owens Williams Freud Ellison Clark off bench
Amar and Mussini gone I believe
3 ships to give
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Next year starting 5
Yawke Ahmed Simon Ponds Lovett
Owens Williams Freud Ellison Clark off bench
Amar and Mussini gone I believe
3 ships to give
If Yakwe is a starter then the NIT is our ceiling
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If I told you last year at this time that Yawke would be starting as a junior you'd be pretty happy. Kid looks lost, I agree, but I'm not writing him off.
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Next year starting 5
Yawke Ahmed Simon Ponds Lovett
Owens Williams Freud Ellison Clark off bench
Amar and Mussini gone I believe
3 ships to give
If Ahmed is starting over Clark, that is terrible news
Lovett Ponds Simon Clark Owens
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Next year starting 5
Yawke Ahmed Simon Ponds Lovett
Owens Williams Freud Ellison Clark off bench
Amar and Mussini gone I believe
3 ships to give
If Yakwe is a starter then the NIT is our ceiling
+1
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Next year starting 5
Yawke Ahmed Simon Ponds Lovett
Owens Williams Freud Ellison Clark off bench
Amar and Mussini gone I believe
3 ships to give
If Ahmed is starting over Clark, that is terrible news
Lovett Ponds Simon Clark Owens
What happened? You loved Ahmed? As a senior he could put some things together. We still haven't seen Marvin Clark play. Who knows what he'll do? Clark wasn't exactly a world beater at MSU.
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Next year starting 5
Yawke Ahmed Simon Ponds Lovett
Owens Williams Freud Ellison Clark off bench
Amar and Mussini gone I believe
3 ships to give
Yakwe needs to figure it out before he's pencilled in as a starter. He only starts because we can't get Owens into foul trouble early. Yakwe doesn't do anything better than Yakwe. If Williams returns, and he can continue to get stronger and more comfortable playing, I think he plays over Yakwe. What a difference a year makes.
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Starters I'd guess, and I really mean guess, LoVett, Ponds, Simon, Ahmed and a grad transfer rebounding machine. 6th man is Owens for the bigs, and the first guard in is Ellison. Then we'll see what we have w Clark, Freudenberg, Williams and hopefully a big strong rebounding freshman big with some Ty Grant or Charles Minlend in him. It seems that as it stands now, Williams has done the most at the high major level. Maybe he puts together a strong senior season. I think a big key to breaking out in 17-18 is senior leadership from Williams and Ahmed.
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It doesn't matter who starts. We will have plenty of depth.
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Starters:
Lovett
Ponds
Ellison
Ahmed
Clark
First off bench:
Simon
Owens
Williams
Think Yakwe and AA are gone.
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Lovett Ponds Ellison Simon Clark
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Assuming we get Walker, I would RS freud if he were willing. Think staff always wants a kid sitting out via transfer or other means and rf would be a player who could gain a lot by it.
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It doesn't matter who starts. We will have plenty of depth.
Agreed, want to see Ponds and Lovett get 30+, spread the rest around based on performance and matchups.
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Next year starting 5
Yawke Ahmed Simon Ponds Lovett
Owens Williams Freud Ellison Clark off bench
Amar and Mussini gone I believe
3 ships to give
If Ahmed is starting over Clark, that is terrible news
Lovett Ponds Simon Clark Owens
What happened? You loved Ahmed? As a senior he could put some things together. We still haven't seen Marvin Clark play. Who knows what he'll do? Clark wasn't exactly a world beater at MSU.
Clark averaged double-digit minutes for a top ten Izzo team as a frosh and soph. He's got 20 lbs on Ahmed, which will be big playing the four. He also has two years of D-1 experience that Ahmed doesn't. It's more about Clark than Ahmed not being good.
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Next year starting 5
Yawke Ahmed Simon Ponds Lovett
Owens Williams Freud Ellison Clark off bench
Amar and Mussini gone I believe
3 ships to give
If Ahmed is starting over Clark, that is terrible news
Lovett Ponds Simon Clark Owens
What happened? You loved Ahmed? As a senior he could put some things together. We still haven't seen Marvin Clark play. Who knows what he'll do? Clark wasn't exactly a world beater at MSU.
Clark averaged double-digit minutes for a top ten Izzo team as a frosh and soph. He's got 20 lbs on Ahmed, which will be big playing the four. He also has two years of D-1 experience that Ahmed doesn't. It's more about Clark than Ahmed not being good.
Clark could turn out to be great. We'll see what kind of player he is now. He left before his junior year. MSU isn't a world beater this year. Have to wonder what made him leave?
Ahmed could improve. James Scott, Justin Brownlee and even Dwight Hardy needed time to get used to the high major D1 game. Hardy, actually, I take that back, he just needed Norm Roberts to no longer be the coach.
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Assuming we get Walker, I would RS freud if he were willing. Think staff always wants a kid sitting out via transfer or other means and rf would be a player who could gain a lot by it.
Agreed. RF needs to red shirt or transfer in my opinion . Don't think he will play at all next year. He has plenty of work to play at this level. As for amar, if decision is up to him. Where is he going ? Who will want him ? He will be a senior, what school will give him a scholarship for 2 years only to play 1? We should have let him leave last year.
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It doesn't matter who starts. We will have plenty of depth.
We said that in October. We had our deepest team in ages. We have maybe 5 guys who belong in this conference now.
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Assuming we get Walker, I would RS freud if he were willing. Think staff always wants a kid sitting out via transfer or other means and rf would be a player who could gain a lot by it.
Agreed. RF needs to red shirt or transfer in my opinion . Don't think he will play at all next year. He has plenty of work to play at this level. As for amar, if decision is up to him. Where is he going ? Who will want him ? He will be a senior, what school will give him a scholarship for 2 years only to play 1? We should have let him leave last year.
If RF transfers it's a horrible reflection on the staff. Also, their record is a horrible reflection, but Freudenberg needs at least a summer to grow up. If he returns to Germany and spends his time playing with the same garbage he did last summer, he will probably be wasting time. Let's see how serious he is, and how aware he is of what he needs to do. He's European so we have to consider that this is unlikely.
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Assuming we get Walker, I would RS freud if he were willing. Think staff always wants a kid sitting out via transfer or other means and rf would be a player who could gain a lot by it.
Agreed. RF needs to red shirt or transfer in my opinion . Don't think he will play at all next year. He has plenty of work to play at this level. As for amar, if decision is up to him. Where is he going ? Who will want him ? He will be a senior, what school will give him a scholarship for 2 years only to play 1? We should have let him leave last year.
If RF transfers it's a horrible reflection on the staff. Also, their record is a horrible reflection, but Freudenberg needs at least a summer to grow up. If he returns to Germany and spends his time playing with the same garbage he did last summer, he will probably be wasting time. Let's see how serious he is, and how aware he is of what he needs to do. He's European so we have to consider that this is unlikely.
So now we want RF to transfer. Kid is a freshman who barely played this year. He was one of the top European recruits last year and I don't think we should be even close to giving up on him. His first year in a new country and playing a new style of basketball. He never found his game this year but giving up on kids after one year and having them leave is no how you build a team. Also you are not going to have 13 superstars if RF ends up just being a deep bench guy which I don't think anyone can say he would be just yet that's not the worst thing in the world.
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Geez , really? RF was 17 and in a foreign country. He has shown basketball smarts and his shot isnt falling - yet. But I forget who said it but " best thing about freshman is they become sophmores." The kids gonna be a good player when all is said and done. What you see in Ponds/Lovett as freshman is an rare and not usual.
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Assuming we get Walker, I would RS freud if he were willing. Think staff always wants a kid sitting out via transfer or other means and rf would be a player who could gain a lot by it.
Agreed. RF needs to red shirt or transfer in my opinion . Don't think he will play at all next year. He has plenty of work to play at this level. As for amar, if decision is up to him. Where is he going ? Who will want him ? He will be a senior, what school will give him a scholarship for 2 years only to play 1? We should have let him leave last year.
If RF transfers it's a horrible reflection on the staff. Also, their record is a horrible reflection, but Freudenberg needs at least a summer to grow up. If he returns to Germany and spends his time playing with the same garbage he did last summer, he will probably be wasting time. Let's see how serious he is, and how aware he is of what he needs to do. He's European so we have to consider that this is unlikely.
Agreed it would make the staff look bad. All of you can make as many excuses for this kid as possible. Yes he is a freshman . Yes he is new to this country. Yes he can't guard anyone. Yes he is not athletic. Yes he is not physical . This kid was a 4 star recruit . He should not be such a project. I made these same arguments against max hopper and Amar.
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Geez , really? RF was 17 and in a foreign country. He has shown basketball smarts and his shot isnt falling - yet. But I forget who said it but " best thing about freshman is they become sophmores." The kids gonna be a good player when all is said and done. What you see in Ponds/Lovett as freshman is an rare and not usual.
Not expecting him to be ponds or Lovett . As a freshman he should be able to contribute. I don't know why he plays. Nothing he does in the game shows he deserves any minutes. How much quicker will he be next year ? What have you seen with you own eyes that tell you he will be a good player?
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AA will go if we need the scholarship. Is McMurray still looking at us? Any other transfers or known grad transfers we are considering?
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AA will go if we need the scholarship. Is McMurray still looking at us? Any other transfers or known grad transfers we are considering?
Committed to SMU
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Assuming we get Walker, I would RS freud if he were willing. Think staff always wants a kid sitting out via transfer or other means and rf would be a player who could gain a lot by it.
Agreed. RF needs to red shirt or transfer in my opinion . Don't think he will play at all next year. He has plenty of work to play at this level. As for amar, if decision is up to him. Where is he going ? Who will want him ? He will be a senior, what school will give him a scholarship for 2 years only to play 1? We should have let him leave last year.
If RF transfers it's a horrible reflection on the staff. Also, their record is a horrible reflection, but Freudenberg needs at least a summer to grow up. If he returns to Germany and spends his time playing with the same garbage he did last summer, he will probably be wasting time. Let's see how serious he is, and how aware he is of what he needs to do. He's European so we have to consider that this is unlikely.
Agreed it would make the staff look bad. All of you can make as many excuses for this kid as possible. Yes he is a freshman . Yes he is new to this country. Yes he can't guard anyone. Yes he is not athletic. Yes he is not physical . This kid was a 4 star recruit . He should not be such a project. I made these same arguments against max hopper and Amar.
Yes, he should be contributing a bit more this season probably because we were told he could shot and his shot has looked terrible but if you look at his form all of his shots are rushed. I don't think what people said about him being young and adjusting to a new country are excuses they are facts. I am not ready to give up on him after hardly playing in year one. Some players look terrible as freshman have great careers others look terrible and stay terrible. I think with his size and potential to shoot 3's and smart play he is worth holding on too.
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Assuming we get Walker, I would RS freud if he were willing. Think staff always wants a kid sitting out via transfer or other means and rf would be a player who could gain a lot by it.
Agreed. RF needs to red shirt or transfer in my opinion . Don't think he will play at all next year. He has plenty of work to play at this level. As for amar, if decision is up to him. Where is he going ? Who will want him ? He will be a senior, what school will give him a scholarship for 2 years only to play 1? We should have let him leave last year.
If RF transfers it's a horrible reflection on the staff. Also, their record is a horrible reflection, but Freudenberg needs at least a summer to grow up. If he returns to Germany and spends his time playing with the same garbage he did last summer, he will probably be wasting time. Let's see how serious he is, and how aware he is of what he needs to do. He's European so we have to consider that this is unlikely.
So now we want RF to transfer. Kid is a freshman who barely played this year. He was one of the top European recruits last year and I don't think we should be even close to giving up on him. His first year in a new country and playing a new style of basketball. He never found his game this year but giving up on kids after one year and having them leave is no how you build a team. Also you are not going to have 13 superstars if RF ends up just being a deep bench guy which I don't think anyone can say he would be just yet that's not the worst thing in the world.
It's up to the kid. He's been spotted several times this year and not shown a thing. It doesn't look like he'd get much PT next year with all the guys we have coming in. So what do we do with him. Kid has to show something in the remaining games to justify a spot next year unless he doesn't mind riding the pines again.
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This is a longshot, but I wonder if Matt A has looked into Austin Nichols. He would be a great PF for us. Still have no idea why UVA cut ties, but we could give him another chance.
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The USF kid is visiting because he is an extremely talented player and scorer who has done it vs a high level of competition and bad teams such as SJU are in no position to say no to the addition of talent irrespective of position.
As for Lovett yes their are 100% rumblings that he plans on leaving as soon as the season ends. This is just a fact and those around the program know it. Now.....this kid is a decent kid with a TON of people in his ear(please notice I avoided the P word....dont want to upset Lebron and Maverick) so I think the staff believes they can convince him to stay and the alternatives are not attractive or beneficial. We shall see....
This makes perfect sense. Much like JaKarr, he's much older than his grade level and wants to get paid, I don't blame him. However I'm confident that Mullin/Mitch will be able to convince him to stay this offseason and test the NBA waters without signing a agent next May with a fantastic sophomore year underneath his belt. Bolting to live in Russia this Summer is not better than doing something special in Queens in 2018 and 2019, just ask D'Ang or any of the 2015 guys if they would kill to be back in college right now.
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This is a longshot, but I wonder if Matt A has looked into Austin Nichols. He would be a great PF for us. Still have no idea why UVA cut ties, but we could give him another chance.
He doesn't have any eligibility left
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The USF kid is visiting because he is an extremely talented player and scorer who has done it vs a high level of competition and bad teams such as SJU are in no position to say no to the addition of talent irrespective of position.
As for Lovett yes their are 100% rumblings that he plans on leaving as soon as the season ends. This is just a fact and those around the program know it. Now.....this kid is a decent kid with a TON of people in his ear(please notice I avoided the P word....dont want to upset Lebron and Maverick) so I think the staff believes they can convince him to stay and the alternatives are not attractive or beneficial. We shall see....
This makes perfect sense. Much like JaKarr, he's much older than his grade level and wants to get paid, I don't blame him. However I'm confident that Mullin/Mitch will be able to convince him to stay this offseason and test the NBA waters without signing a agent next May with a fantastic sophomore year underneath his belt. Bolting to live in Russia this Summer is not better than doing something special in Queens in 2018 and 2019, just ask D'Ang or any of the 2015 guys if they would kill to be back in college right now.
I think that is a big thing for him. Grass is always greener but does he really want to leave NYC to play in another country and give up 3 years of college playing? If he sticks around for another couple years hes gona become a popular player as the team improves and gets more national attention with his skill set and flashy plays. Sticking around another couple years might not only be more fun and rewarding for it might actually land him a higher pay day. That all being said if he wants to leave and get paid right you can't really blame him.
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Starters:
PG- Lovett
SG- Ponds
SF- Bashir
PF- Clark
C- Hopeful Grad Transfer
Bench:
Ellison, Simon, Owens, Williams,Walker
Leaving- Amar, Mussini
50/50- Yawke
Redshirt- Freud
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Starters:
PG- Lovett
SG- Ponds
SF- Bashir
PF- Clark
C- Hopeful Grad Transfer
Bench:
Ellison, Simon, Owens, Williams,Walker
Leaving- Amar, Mussini
50/50- Yawke
Redshirt- Freud
If I have to choose Bash or Ellison to start I think I go Ellison every time. He is more efficient and a willing passer. He improved a lot over last year and would be surprised if he doesn't take a big leap again. They may both start but Ellison is the type of four year guy that by senior year he is All Big East performer I think.
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Starters:
PG- Lovett
SG- Ponds
SF- Bashir
PF- Clark
C- Hopeful Grad Transfer
Bench:
Ellison, Simon, Owens, Williams,Walker
Leaving- Amar, Mussini
50/50- Yawke
Redshirt- Freud
Agree with most of this, although I hope Ahmed is coming off the bench
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Assuming we get Walker, I would RS freud if he were willing. Think staff always wants a kid sitting out via transfer or other means and rf would be a player who could gain a lot by it.
Agreed. RF needs to red shirt or transfer in my opinion . Don't think he will play at all next year. He has plenty of work to play at this level. As for amar, if decision is up to him. Where is he going ? Who will want him ? He will be a senior, what school will give him a scholarship for 2 years only to play 1? We should have let him leave last year.
If RF transfers it's a horrible reflection on the staff. Also, their record is a horrible reflection, but Freudenberg needs at least a summer to grow up. If he returns to Germany and spends his time playing with the same garbage he did last summer, he will probably be wasting time. Let's see how serious he is, and how aware he is of what he needs to do. He's European so we have to consider that this is unlikely.
Agreed it would make the staff look bad. All of you can make as many excuses for this kid as possible. Yes he is a freshman . Yes he is new to this country. Yes he can't guard anyone. Yes he is not athletic. Yes he is not physical . This kid was a 4 star recruit . He should not be such a project. I made these same arguments against max hopper and Amar.
I think this happens often w 4 star kids. Some need to adjust, learn what it takes at this level. I think Europe hurts him because he's not getting succeeding with the same game here. He's not skilled enough now put it on floor 15 feet from the basket. He has to put the work in. He's not so unathetic, although he needs muscle. He has some talent. That's clear. I'm hoping that is learning and he will figure how he can best contribute in the 2-12 minutes he gets. Marquette isn't so quick and strong. He may get some burn tonight.
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Assuming we get Walker, I would RS freud if he were willing. Think staff always wants a kid sitting out via transfer or other means and rf would be a player who could gain a lot by it.
Agreed. RF needs to red shirt or transfer in my opinion . Don't think he will play at all next year. He has plenty of work to play at this level. As for amar, if decision is up to him. Where is he going ? Who will want him ? He will be a senior, what school will give him a scholarship for 2 years only to play 1? We should have let him leave last year.
If RF transfers it's a horrible reflection on the staff. Also, their record is a horrible reflection, but Freudenberg needs at least a summer to grow up. If he returns to Germany and spends his time playing with the same garbage he did last summer, he will probably be wasting time. Let's see how serious he is, and how aware he is of what he needs to do. He's European so we have to consider that this is unlikely.
Agreed it would make the staff look bad. All of you can make as many excuses for this kid as possible. Yes he is a freshman . Yes he is new to this country. Yes he can't guard anyone. Yes he is not athletic. Yes he is not physical . This kid was a 4 star recruit . He should not be such a project. I made these same arguments against max hopper and Amar.
I think this happens often w 4 star kids. Some need to adjust, learn what it takes at this level. I think Europe hurts him because he's not getting succeeding with the same game here. He's not skilled enough now put it on floor 15 feet from the basket. He has to put the work in. He's not so unathetic, although he needs muscle. He has some talent. That's clear. I'm hoping that is learning and he will figure how he can best contribute in the 2-12 minutes he gets. Marquette isn't so quick and strong. He may get some burn tonight.
Aside from probably Creighton, Marquette is the quickest team in the BE
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Starters:
PG- Lovett
SG- Ponds
SF- Bashir
PF- Clark
C- Hopeful Grad Transfer
Bench:
Ellison, Simon, Owens, Williams,Walker
Leaving- Amar, Mussini
50/50- Yawke
Redshirt- Freud
Agree with most of this, although I hope Ahmed is coming off the bench
We need a great senior year from him. Cut down on those Alpha Bangura drives into traffic. He's a good player and for a first season in D1, he's showed some signs. He's at 12 now, and he could go up to 15 or 16 next year.
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Assuming we get Walker, I would RS freud if he were willing. Think staff always wants a kid sitting out via transfer or other means and rf would be a player who could gain a lot by it.
Agreed. RF needs to red shirt or transfer in my opinion . Don't think he will play at all next year. He has plenty of work to play at this level. As for amar, if decision is up to him. Where is he going ? Who will want him ? He will be a senior, what school will give him a scholarship for 2 years only to play 1? We should have let him leave last year.
If RF transfers it's a horrible reflection on the staff. Also, their record is a horrible reflection, but Freudenberg needs at least a summer to grow up. If he returns to Germany and spends his time playing with the same garbage he did last summer, he will probably be wasting time. Let's see how serious he is, and how aware he is of what he needs to do. He's European so we have to consider that this is unlikely.
Agreed it would make the staff look bad. All of you can make as many excuses for this kid as possible. Yes he is a freshman . Yes he is new to this country. Yes he can't guard anyone. Yes he is not athletic. Yes he is not physical . This kid was a 4 star recruit . He should not be such a project. I made these same arguments against max hopper and Amar.
I think this happens often w 4 star kids. Some need to adjust, learn what it takes at this level. I think Europe hurts him because he's not getting succeeding with the same game here. He's not skilled enough now put it on floor 15 feet from the basket. He has to put the work in. He's not so unathetic, although he needs muscle. He has some talent. That's clear. I'm hoping that is learning and he will figure how he can best contribute in the 2-12 minutes he gets. Marquette isn't so quick and strong. He may get some burn tonight.
Aside from probably Creighton, Marquette is the quickest team in the BE
Aside from sju
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As for RF:
Another 4 star 6'8 freshman who we also recruited currently at Kansas is playing much like RF. Sometimes you just gotta watch, work and learn your freshman year.
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As for RF:
Another 4 star 6'8 freshman who we also recruited currently at Kansas is playing much like RF. Sometimes you just gotta watch, work and learn your freshman year.
Lightfoot
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As for RF:
Another 4 star 6'8 freshman who we also recruited currently at Kansas is playing much like RF. Sometimes you just gotta watch, work and learn your freshman year.
100%. We are spoiled by Lovett and Ponds but most freshman look bad and then get better as they get more comfortable. I think you need to see him develop for a couple years before we give up. He might be a very useful player his 3rd and 4th year.
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Lightfoot also wrapped up in one of the problems Kansas is facing right now with their b-ball program. At least from the article I read. Not saying the kid did anything, just saying the article stated he was present at one of the alleged incidents.
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As for RF:
Another 4 star 6'8 freshman who we also recruited currently at Kansas is playing much like RF. Sometimes you just gotta watch, work and learn your freshman year.
100%. We are spoiled by Lovett and Ponds but most freshman look bad and then get better as they get more comfortable. I think you need to see him develop for a couple years before we give up. He might be a very useful player his 3rd and 4th year.
I want Oedipus to remain here for 4 years as I did Chris Jones and Dexter Grey. Heck, I want Da Ali B to stay. I firmly believe that every underclassman should be given every opportunity to show the David Cain effect.
However, The 21% he's shooting from 2 and the 17% he's shooting from three are historically inept for our program. My Bff the Triangle was absolutely destroyed on this board for shooting 37% from 2 and 28% from 3 all while playing out of position and running the point by his lonesome.
Plus Rf hasn't provided anything in other areas. I'm all for giving him 4 years here but face it. He's been bad.
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This is a longshot, but I wonder if Matt A has looked into Austin Nichols. He would be a great PF for us. Still have no idea why UVA cut ties, but we could give him another chance.
He doesn't have any eligibility left
From this article: http://virginia.sportswar.com/article/2016/11/18/austin-nichols-dismissed-from-uva-mens-basketball-program/
It says he still have one year of eligiibility remaining
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This is a longshot, but I wonder if Matt A has looked into Austin Nichols. He would be a great PF for us. Still have no idea why UVA cut ties, but we could give him another chance.
He doesn't have any eligibility left
From this article: http://virginia.sportswar.com/article/2016/11/18/austin-nichols-dismissed-from-uva-mens-basketball-program/
It says he still have one year of eligiibility remaining
Suspended to start season, plays one game then gets dismissed from the team. So he was given a second chance at UVA. Don't think we are desperate enough to be giving people third chances. Already burned by Z Brown.
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Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
Owens
If Lovett leaves which just a gut feeling I think he does. Thoughts?
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Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
Owens
If Lovett leaves which just a gut feeling I think he does. Thoughts?
NIT
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Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
Owens
If Lovett leaves which just a gut feeling I think he does. Thoughts?
NIT
Don't disagree. Grad Transfer or decommited recruit would be necessary if Lovett is gone.
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Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
Owens
If Lovett leaves which just a gut feeling I think he does. Thoughts?
NIT
Don't disagree. Grad Transfer or decommited recruit would be necessary if Lovett is gone.
Absolute necessity. A lot of minutes leaving
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Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
Owens
If Lovett leaves which just a gut feeling I think he does. Thoughts?
NIT
Don't disagree. Grad Transfer or decommited recruit would be necessary if Lovett is gone.
Absolute necessity. A lot of minutes leaving
Any Iona players fit the bill? ;)
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Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
Owens
If Lovett leaves which just a gut feeling I think he does. Thoughts?
NIT
Don't disagree. Grad Transfer or decommited recruit would be necessary if Lovett is gone.
Absolute necessity. A lot of minutes leaving
Any Iona players fit the bill? ;)
No. They like playing in the NCAA tournament. :)
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Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
Owens
If Lovett leaves which just a gut feeling I think he does. Thoughts?
NIT
Don't disagree. Grad Transfer or decommited recruit would be necessary if Lovett is gone.
Absolute necessity. A lot of minutes leaving
Any Iona players fit the bill? ;)
No. They like playing in the NCAA tournament. :)
Touche'. Where do you think ST. J's would have been the last 10 years or so with Cleuss at the helm?
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Lovett
Ahmed
Williams
Simon
Clarke
NCAA team 8)
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Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
Owens
If Lovett leaves which just a gut feeling I think he does. Thoughts?
NIT
Don't disagree. Grad Transfer or decommited recruit would be necessary if Lovett is gone.
Absolute necessity. A lot of minutes leaving
Any Iona players fit the bill? ;)
No. They like playing in the NCAA tournament. :)
Touche'. Where do you think ST. J's would have been the last 10 years or so with Cleuss at the helm?
Tough to say. Kids like playing in his system. Who knows how that would translate to the Big East. Certainly fun to watch, and I'm sure fun to play for
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Taking a commitment from Zach Brown was a killer. Hopefully we can find a PF when coaching carousel starts up
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Should Lovett come back
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
Bench
Ahmed
Mussini
Ellison
Yakwe
Williams
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Should Lovett come back
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
Bench
Ahmed
Mussini
Ellison
Yakwe
Williams
I agree with you but bet it will be:
Clark
Ahmed
Simon
Ponds
Lovett
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Should Lovett come back
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
Bench
Ahmed
Mussini
Ellison
Yakwe
Williams
I agree with you but bet it will be:
Clark
Ahmed
Simon
Ponds
Lovett
Guess LoVett is your center. go big or go home.
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Should Lovett come back
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
Bench
Ahmed
Mussini
Ellison
Yakwe
Williams
I agree with you but bet it will be:
Clark
Ahmed
Simon
Ponds
Lovett
Guess LoVett is your center. go big or go home.
Where's the beef??? That was the problem this year.
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Status of Moose and Amar, incoming grad transfer big could change the rotation quite a bit. We should wait until Summer Session I begins before any starting5 proclamations are made this is very premature.
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Status of Moose and Amar, incoming grad transfer big could change the rotation quite a bit. We should wait until Summer Session I begins before any starting5 proclamations are made this is very premature.
We are in the Summer Session on the message boards
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Status of Moose and Amar, incoming grad transfer big could change the rotation quite a bit. We should wait until Summer Session I begins before any starting5 proclamations are made this is very premature.
We are in the Summer Session on the message boards
LMAAAOOOO yessss, facts only Baldi! Can't agree more.
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Should Lovett come back
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
Bench
Ahmed
Mussini
Ellison
Yakwe
Williams
I agree with you but bet it will be:
Clark
Ahmed
Simon
Ponds
Lovett
Guess LoVett is your center. go big or go home.
Clark would be my guess. Might even see Yakwe and Clark with Ahmed or Simon at the three.
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hopefully something clicks for yakwe over the summer and he comes in ready to battle for position and board, catch passes, and go up strong
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Should Lovett come back
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
Bench
Ahmed
Mussini
Ellison
Yakwe
Williams
I agree with you but bet it will be:
Clark
Ahmed
Simon
Ponds
Lovett
Guess LoVett is your center. go big or go home.
Clark would be my guess. Might even see Yakwe and Clark with Ahmed or Simon at the three.
Think Clark is shorter than he is listed. Bet he is more like 6'5. If we get a transfer big along with Owens no reason to start such a small line-up unless we're playing in a 6'5 and under league.
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Should Lovett come back
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
Bench
Ahmed
Mussini
Ellison
Yakwe
Williams
I agree with you but bet it will be:
Clark
Ahmed
Simon
Ponds
Lovett
Guess LoVett is your center. go big or go home.
Clark would be my guess. Might even see Yakwe and Clark with Ahmed or Simon at the three.
Think Clark is shorter than he is listed. Bet he is more like 6'5. If we get a transfer big along with Owens no reason to start such a small line-up unless we're playing in a 6'5 and under league.
Foul trouble and maybe stamina but Mullin seems to not be inclined to start Owens. He was clearly better than Yakwee but never started. Clark played the 4 in the Big Ten. I agree better suited to being undersized 4 but again Mullin did not seem to like to start Owens.
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Should Lovett come back
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
Bench
Ahmed
Mussini
Ellison
Yakwe
Williams
I agree with you but bet it will be:
Clark
Ahmed
Simon
Ponds
Lovett
Guess LoVett is your center. go big or go home.
Clark would be my guess. Might even see Yakwe and Clark with Ahmed or Simon at the three.
Think Clark is shorter than he is listed. Bet he is more like 6'5. If we get a transfer big along with Owens no reason to start such a small line-up unless we're playing in a 6'5 and under league.
Foul trouble and maybe stamina but Mullin seems to not be inclined to start Owens. He was clearly better than Yakwee but never started. Clark played the 4 in the Big Ten. I agree better suited to being undersized 4 but again Mullin did not seem to like to start Owens.
Owens energizes the team with his shot blocking and running the floor. Also CM wanted to do everything he could to jump start Yakwe which unfortunately never happened.
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Should Lovett come back
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
Bench
Ahmed
Mussini
Ellison
Yakwe
Williams
I agree with you but bet it will be:
Clark
Ahmed
Simon
Ponds
Lovett
Guess LoVett is your center. go big or go home.
Clark would be my guess. Might even see Yakwe and Clark with Ahmed or Simon at the three.
Think Clark is shorter than he is listed. Bet he is more like 6'5. If we get a transfer big along with Owens no reason to start such a small line-up unless we're playing in a 6'5 and under league.
Foul trouble and maybe stamina but Mullin seems to not be inclined to start Owens. He was clearly better than Yakwee but never started. Clark played the 4 in the Big Ten. I agree better suited to being undersized 4 but again Mullin did not seem to like to start Owens.
Owens energizes the team with his shot blocking and running the floor. Also CM wanted to do everything he could to jump start Yakwe which unfortunately never happened.
Yakwe needs to work in the offseason
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I just have a feeling that Simon and Clark are gonna be huge. And I can't wait to see what kind of transfer Matty gets.
We are not yet complete.
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Lovett,Ponds, clark, simon and owens. Ahmed plays 20+ at both forward spots, who knows with Yakwe at 4 and 5. Must play owens for size quite a bit. Amar should get a bit better, particularly at whacking people. Mussini 12-15 and score 6-9, more minutes when hitting.
Would love a couple of beefy guys 6-6 or more.
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Front court 17-18
Owens
Clark
Yakwe
Amar
Friedenburg
[/Back court 17-18b]
Ponds
Lovett
Ahmed
Mussini
Simon
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Should Lovett come back
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
Bench
Ahmed
Mussini
Ellison
Yakwe
Williams
I agree with you but bet it will be:
Clark
Ahmed
Simon
Ponds
Lovett
Guess LoVett is your center. go big or go home.
Clark would be my guess. Might even see Yakwe and Clark with Ahmed or Simon at the three.
Think Clark is shorter than he is listed. Bet he is more like 6'5. If we get a transfer big along with Owens no reason to start such a small line-up unless we're playing in a 6'5 and under league.
Foul trouble and maybe stamina but Mullin seems to not be inclined to start Owens. He was clearly better than Yakwee but never started. Clark played the 4 in the Big Ten. I agree better suited to being undersized 4 but again Mullin did not seem to like to start Owens.
Owens energizes the team with his shot blocking and running the floor. Also CM wanted to do everything he could to jump start Yakwe which unfortunately never happened.
Yakwe needs to work in the offseason
I'm not big on redshirting (because I feel it is a waste of a scholarship) but Yakwe would be an ideal candidate to redshirt. I just hope we have a coach that can really help develop his game.
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Should Lovett come back
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
Bench
Ahmed
Mussini
Ellison
Yakwe
Williams
I agree with you but bet it will be:
Clark
Ahmed
Simon
Ponds
Lovett
Guess LoVett is your center. go big or go home.
Clark would be my guess. Might even see Yakwe and Clark with Ahmed or Simon at the three.
Think Clark is shorter than he is listed. Bet he is more like 6'5. If we get a transfer big along with Owens no reason to start such a small line-up unless we're playing in a 6'5 and under league.
Foul trouble and maybe stamina but Mullin seems to not be inclined to start Owens. He was clearly better than Yakwee but never started. Clark played the 4 in the Big Ten. I agree better suited to being undersized 4 but again Mullin did not seem to like to start Owens.
Owens energizes the team with his shot blocking and running the floor. Also CM wanted to do everything he could to jump start Yakwe which unfortunately never happened.
Yakwe needs to work in the offseason
I'm not big on redshirting (because I feel it is a waste of a scholarship) but Yakwe would be an ideal candidate to redshirt. I just hope we have a coach that can really help develop his game.
If we did have a coach that can develop Yakwe's talent hopefully he'll actually put some effort into it this time.
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Should Lovett come back
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
Bench
Ahmed
Mussini
Ellison
Yakwe
Williams
I agree with you but bet it will be:
Clark
Ahmed
Simon
Ponds
Lovett
Guess LoVett is your center. go big or go home.
Clark would be my guess. Might even see Yakwe and Clark with Ahmed or Simon at the three.
Think Clark is shorter than he is listed. Bet he is more like 6'5. If we get a transfer big along with Owens no reason to start such a small line-up unless we're playing in a 6'5 and under league.
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/stjo-m-baskbl-mtt.html
He looks to be almost identical to Yakwe in height and the strongest looking player I've seen since Anthony Glover. I can't imagine anyone backing this kid down in the post. He also shoots over 40% from three so he is going to be a b*tch for a PF to defend on the perimeter and will set some hard screens to wear down opposing guards. If he has the ability to take guys off the bounce (which was the one skill keeping him from putting it together at MSU) at all and the mentality to not float on the perimeter once he's done his job, we should be looking damn good. We don't need a 6'7 235 SG/SF. We need a faceup four that can stretch the D and crash the glass like a beast. We'll know by the end of the first game if he has "Kevin Durant syndrome" or if he'll mix it up inside and hustle like Owens.
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Clark is probably 6'6 or so but an inch in size means absolutely nothing. That will not determine whether he can rebound and play inside. It will be the way he uses his body and his athletic ability. The difference between 6'6 and 6'7 is irrelevant.
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Bonzie Coulson is a 6-5 PF. It's about want not size. We don't have guys that wanna get after it. We need people to get after it like Bonzie and I think Marv could be that.
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Bonzie Coulson is a 6-5 PF. It's about want not size. We don't have guys that wanna get after it. We need people to get after it like Bonzie and I think Marv could be that.
+1, essentially what I was trying to say as well.
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Bonzie Coulson is a 6-5 PF. It's about want not size. We don't have guys that wanna get after it. We need people to get after it like Bonzie and I think Marv could be that.
no doubt, although not having a big like Auguste next to Colson this past year hurt ND's half court offense this past season, and Brey has said that he wants to make it a priority to have one of Mooney, Geben or Burns take the next step and become a solid 25 minute per game contributor alongside Colson.
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Coleson has a ridiculous wingspan. Length is more important than height. Dont know how Clark fairs there but im banking on him being a solid not spectacular rebounder. Brownlee level.
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Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.
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Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.
That is not accurate. Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer
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Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.
That is not accurate. Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer
Don't bother. TonyD lives in an alternate reality where his vague memories comprise immutable truths. Ask him about the three magical minutes Joey DelaRosa played against dook in 2014, it's akin to Shelby Foote's take on the Civil War.
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Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.
Clark is strong. Much more ripped up than Pointer was. Even as a senior.
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Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.
That is not accurate. Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer
He looks 6'5 to me . Not 6'7. I have stood next to him a few times . I think he is listed at 205 pounds. He does not look like an imposing inside player many of you think he is.
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Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.
That is not accurate. Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer
He looks 6'5 to me . Not 6'7. I have stood next to him a few times . I think he is listed at 205 pounds. He does not look like an imposing inside player many of you think he is.
It's not even close. Clark is a beast. Look...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK5aaFVnmlg
Clark is the biggest guy on Michigan State. It's not even close. That was us with Pointer at times, but look at Clark. He's ripped up like a Big Ten PF.
Might it be time for a trip to the eye doctor? I'm half serious.
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Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.
That is not accurate. Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer
He looks 6'5 to me . Not 6'7. I have stood next to him a few times . I think he is listed at 205 pounds. He does not look like an imposing inside player many of you think he is.
Clark is listed at 6-7 225. Pointer was listed at 6-5, 200. SImon is 6-5, 205. Perhaps you can't tell them apart.
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Marvin Clark is explosive, and strong, but he's not a PF. He's really a lot more of a wing forward like Caron butler or Glen Robinson JR or even Dom(not comparing level of ability). People expecting him to be more of a post-type like Glover but he's not. It's why we could use one or two PF/C types as we don't have much right now.
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Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.
That is not accurate. Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer
He looks 6'5 to me . Not 6'7. I have stood next to him a few times . I think he is listed at 205 pounds. He does not look like an imposing inside player many of you think he is.
He's taller than Simon and Ellison, and he's definitely the strongest looking guy on the team.
I haven't seen anyone suggest that he is an imposing post player. He's a tough and explosive combo forward who appears to rebound a bit. He will definitely be helpful at the 4.
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Marvin Clark is explosive, and strong, but he's not a PF. He's really a lot more of a wing forward like Caron butler or Glen Robinson JR or even Dom(not comparing level of ability). People expecting him to be more of a post-type like Glover but he's not. It's why we could use one or two PF/C types as we don't have much right now.
I haven't really seen anyone who expects him to be a big post player. I think everyone thinks he will play the 4 most of the time and will rebound well. Seems like we all still know we need a big man and he wont solve our issues but I think he will rebound and score from the 4 spot which is something we need.
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from that single play he looks strong and has some leaping ability, if he wants to box out he could definitely help us on the boards
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https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2701742-cbb-teams-getting-a-boost-in-2017-18-from-players-youve-forgotten-about.amp.html
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https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2701742-cbb-teams-getting-a-boost-in-2017-18-from-players-youve-forgotten-about.amp.html
Season one was rough, season two was exciting and fun at times but frustrating, I think season 3 is going to be a lot of fun. The skill level on the court for this season as opposed to two years ago is ridiculous. We still need to add a couple more pieces but kudos to the staff for adding these talented kids. Now its time to go out and win games and if we do win 20 next year these two guys will be a big reason for the improvement on both ends.
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Per Rothstein -
Word out of Jamaica is that St. John's is eyeing 3G look with Marcus Lovett, Shamorie Ponds, & Justin Simon with Bashir Ahmed at PF. #SJUBB
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Per Rothstein -
Word out of Jamaica is that St. John's is eyeing 3G look with Marcus Lovett, Shamorie Ponds, & Justin Simon with Bashir Ahmed at PF. #SJUBB
No kidding Rothstein. Simon didn't come here to come off the bench
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Tariq at the 5. He's the obvious choice, foul trouble is the only thing that keeps him on the bench at tipoff.
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Per Rothstein -
Word out of Jamaica is that St. John's is eyeing 3G look with Marcus Lovett, Shamorie Ponds, & Justin Simon with Bashir Ahmed at PF. #SJUBB
So if Mussini leaves we have 3 guards left and all of them will start?
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https://twitter.com/NICKIRV/status/868868011192532992
Marcus of course in a gym. Out in LA. Scary to think how much better he can actually get with a year underneath his belt.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3938917/marcus-lovett
Say he increases his 3pt% into the low 40% range, is it out of the realm for he and Shamorie to average 40ppg next year combined? These two and JSimon are going to be a scary good triumvirate. Bash at 4 after a Summer w Mitch and Chris? Sheesh, get me to November.
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https://twitter.com/NICKIRV/status/868868011192532992
Marcus of course in a gym. Out in LA. Scary to think how much better he can actually get with a year underneath his belt.
He's more than likely hanging out with family at the EYBL AAU tournament with Mac Irvin out in Los Angeles.
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Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Dom pointer was much bigger. He is not close as wide as Anthony glover.
That is not accurate. Clark is definitely bigger than Pointer
He looks 6'5 to me . Not 6'7. I have stood next to him a few times . I think he is listed at 205 pounds. He does not look like an imposing inside player many of you think he is.
Stop being stupid. He's most commonly listed at 235. He's been 225 since high school. He is the strongest looking player we've had since Anthony Glover bar none and you can tell his strength is functional by watching him play and by his football background.
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My guess for the starting five is:
Lovett
Ponds
Simon
Ahmed
Clark
Owens is clearly the best (only) option for the five, but he could only stay on the court 18.8 mpg and the staff seems to favor bringing him off the bench to preserve his fouls. For that reason alone, I think they start small until he proves he can play 25 mpg or the staff stops being stubborn and plays a zone.
I can't get over TonyD saying a 6'5 196 Dom Pointer was much bigger than a 6'7 235 Clark. Insanity. I expect Clark to be a big time player this year. I don't want put too much pressure on him, but I see all league potential if he has the motor and mindset. I think his outside shooting will be around the 40% mark. He will play only the four and the five for us like he did with Michigan St. I see a chance of Ahmed beating him out as the undersized PF, but we need at leas one of them to embrace that role. It's pretty sad that we have to rely on transfers to get strong kids. The strength and conditioning team should be ashamed of themselves.
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Could Clark be our Draymond Green?
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Could Clark be our Draymond Green?
That is what he was recruited by Izzo to be. His mentor was Branden Dawson who was mentored by Draymond Green. The key to PF will always be hustle and mentality...more so than any other position. When a 6'6/6'7 kid embraces the position fully, he can really excel.
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Marvin Clark is explosive, and strong, but he's not a PF. He's really a lot more of a wing forward like Caron butler or Glen Robinson JR or even Dom(not comparing level of ability). People expecting him to be more of a post-type like Glover but he's not. It's why we could use one or two PF/C types as we don't have much right now.
This is highly inaccurate.
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Has anyone seen Marvin Clark back down a big man in the Big 10 and score? If he has, he's got power forward skills that we desperately need. If that's not in his game I don't see how he's a power forward that we can start unless he's some kinda legendary rebounder and overall defender.
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Has anyone seen Marvin Clark back down a big man in the Big 10 and score? If he has, he's got power forward skills that we desperately need. If that's not in his game I don't see how he's a power forward that we can start unless he's some kinda legendary rebounder and overall defender.
He's our only PF. He played PF and even some center for Michigan State. He played center for them at the end of regulation and OT in an Elite Eight win over Louisville two years ago. I don't understand the doubt in a 6'7 235 powerhouse playing PF for a bubble team when he played PF and C for a top ten team for two years.
And no, I don't think he will be a kid who backs down big PFs and scores wit his back to the basket. I think he will score from threes, offensive boards, off dishes on drives by our guards, and occasional 2-3 dribble drives on bad closeluts or good matchups on the perimeter.
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Has anyone seen Marvin Clark back down a big man in the Big 10 and score? If he has, he's got power forward skills that we desperately need. If that's not in his game I don't see how he's a power forward that we can start unless he's some kinda legendary rebounder and overall defender.
He's our only PF. He played PF and even some center for Michigan State. He played center for them at the end of regulation and OT in an Elite Eight win over Louisville two years ago. I don't understand the doubt in a 6'7 235 powerhouse playing PF for a bubble team when he played PF and C for a top ten team for two years.
And no, I don't think he will be a kid who backs down big PFs and scores wit his back to the basket. I think he will score from threes, offensive boards, off dishes on drives by our guards, and occasional 2-3 dribble drives on bad closeluts or good matchups on the perimeter.
I wasn't aware that he has played center. That's promising.
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Everyone is questioning our rebounding capabilities next year. Between Marv, Tariq, Kass and sparingly Amar I think we'll do just fine.
Never mind Shamorie's aptitude to lurk around the paint (4.5 rpg), and Bash is a fine rebounder on his own at 6'7 (5.5 rpg). Who knows what type of tenacity JSimon will bring to the table as well. Gang rebounding from the front court will be emphasized.
We're deep, talented, and capable of big things next year. The precarious tone that we inherently all have needs to be switched up this offseason.
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We're deep, talented, and capable of big things next year. The precarious tone that we inherently all have needs to be switched up this offseason.
I'm not sure how deep we are at the moment, but I think we're talented and capable of doing big things this upcoming season. But, until I see us consistently rebound, play even decent defense, and share the basketball, then I'll continue to be apprehensive.
Loads of potential, as I believe this is a top 2 or 3 backcourt in the conference. If we can show we can do a couple or all of those things I've mentioned above, then we're likely to hear our names called on Selection Sunday.
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We're deep, talented, and capable of big things next year. The precarious tone that we inherently all have needs to be switched up this offseason.
I'm not sure how deep we are at the moment, but I think we're talented and capable of doing big things this upcoming season. But, until I see us consistently rebound, play even decent defense, and share the basketball, then I'll continue to be apprehensive.
Loads of potential, as I believe this is a top 2 or 3 backcourt in the conference. If we can show we can do a couple or all of those things I've mentioned above, then we're likely to hear our names called on Selection Sunday.
We're not deep at all. We are one injury away from being in big trouble.
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We're deep, talented, and capable of big things next year. The precarious tone that we inherently all have needs to be switched up this offseason.
I'm not sure how deep we are at the moment, but I think we're talented and capable of doing big things this upcoming season. But, until I see us consistently rebound, play even decent defense, and share the basketball, then I'll continue to be apprehensive.
Loads of potential, as I believe this is a top 2 or 3 backcourt in the conference. If we can show we can do a couple or all of those things I've mentioned above, then we're likely to hear our names called on Selection Sunday.
We're not deep at all. We are one injury away from being in big trouble.
Mussini, Owens/Yakwe, Clark/Ahmed, Sid, senior alibegovic is about the best 5 bench players I can remember.
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'But, until I see us play even decent defense'
Bingo! The O last season was good and I'ld expect that to continue.
The defense was putrid. We'll have to learn how to stop somebody in order to achieve our goals.