6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2017 Class => Topic started by: paultzman on February 08, 2017, 12:43:56 PM
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Per Zach B
New 2017 St John's target: JUCO forward Kyvon Davenport of Georgia Highlands #sjubb assistant Matt Abdelmassih seeing him today
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http://www.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2015-16/div1/players/kyvondavenport40pn
Good rebounding #s fwiw.
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Unclear as to whether he has an offer....
Georgia recruiting site says that, as of October, he had offers from UTEP, Louisiana-Monroe, UALR, Colorado State and Arkansas State
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http://jucoreport.com/jucowatch-tylik-evans-kyvon-davenport-ga-highlands/
Really like his motor, athleticism. The paint would be filled with length and activity if you paired him next to Marv, Kass and Tariq.
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Also, the Bonnies offered him recently and Ole Miss & Iowa St. been snooping around.
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Johnnies need a guy with dreads
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Not exactly a great pool of offers. Cmon now
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Davenport Focused on Improving His Game and Academics
(link: http://bit.ly/2kn3ICZ) bit.ly/2kn3ICZ
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I haven't watched a vid in awhile for one of our prospects (rarely watch 'em period nowadays), but I'll leave this one here....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukJBxsrw3I8
Davenport was also named "Player of the Week" about a week ago....
http://ghcchargers.com/kyvon-davenport-named-gcaa-d1-player-of-the-week/
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I haven't watched a vid in awhile for one of our prospects (rarely watch 'em period nowadays), but I'll leave this one here....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukJBxsrw3I8
Davenport was also named "Player of the Week" about a week ago....
http://ghcchargers.com/kyvon-davenport-named-gcaa-d1-player-of-the-week/
Looks pretty skilled with the ball for a PF.
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I haven't watched a vid in awhile for one of our prospects (rarely watch 'em period nowadays), but I'll leave this one here....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukJBxsrw3I8
Davenport was also named "Player of the Week" about a week ago....
http://ghcchargers.com/kyvon-davenport-named-gcaa-d1-player-of-the-week/
Looks like hes very athletic with a decent shooting stroke and solid post game but man that red team had no size whatsoever. If he is a solid rebounder as well he could end up being a decent piece to add if there are no other options for next year. We can not have our only true bigs be Owens Yakwe and Williams next year and expect to make a big jump
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Davenport Focused on Improving His Game and Academics
(link: http://bit.ly/2kn3ICZ) bit.ly/2kn3ICZ
When asked about what he is looking for in a program, Davenport said “I want to go to a program with an up-tempo style of play, have the opportunity to play from the perimeter and have the chance to play right way and make an impact. I have worked really hard on my perimeter shot and seen the results. I want to keep improving my outside shooting and work more on my ballhandling.”
Another big that wants to play on the perimeter. Not really what we need
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Schools expected for #2 GA Highlands vs Gordon St tonight: Kansas St (HC Bruce Weber), Iowa St, St. John's, Illinois St, UNF, ETSU (1/2)
Schools expected for #2 GA Highlands vs Gordon St tonight Cont: GA Southern, Charleston Southern, Rhode Island, UGA, Tenn St, Ole Miss (2/2)
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Kid looks pretty good. I know it's not against Duke. Don't think he's really a post-guy per se, but my guess is we won't have Alibgovic any more, and this kid is a net gain almost assuredly. We don't have tons of options. This kid and the right grad transfer could actually probably help quite a bit next year. Seems quite athletic and works hard out there. Any chance a kid like this is a replacement for a guy like Freudenberg and not the post player us fans are looking to? Maybe we grab a big as a grad transfer instead? Not trying to start rumors, up that makes some sense if so.
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Davenport was injured last night in game Matt attended
http://jucoreport.com/gordon-state-vs-georgia-highlands-recap/
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Looks like a Norm recruit
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Looks like a Norm recruit
We're desperate at this point.
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Looks like a Norm recruit
We're desperate at this point.
If we are desperate, something is seriously wrong with the staff's approach to recruiting. Next season they either get their shit together, or the get the F out.
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This is a guy who would likely be the 9th or 10th player on next year's squad, at most, and provide short term depth. And it isn't even accounting for our ability to snag a grad transfer big for a one-year filler on the front line. And you are hammering the recruiting? The recruiting has been good in the short term.
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Desperate is when you have 5 seniors who play and your sixth man is a young guy who is not talented enough for the league or an older player who likewise isn't talented enough but on the team because his brother was supposed to play. There is a difference between taking fliers late in the game on a guy to be the fourth or fifth big in a rotation and taking fliers for guys to come in and play major minutes.
Looks like a Norm recruit
We're desperate at this point.
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This is a guy who would likely be the 9th or 10th player on next year's squad, at most, and provide short term depth. And it isn't even accounting for our ability to snag a grad transfer big for a one-year filler on the front line. And you are hammering the recruiting? The recruiting has been good in the short term.
Our frontcourt is awful. We are desperate for bodies. Owens and Yakwe cannot rebound at a BE level.
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We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
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This is a guy who would likely be the 9th or 10th player on next year's squad, at most, and provide short term depth. And it isn't even accounting for our ability to snag a grad transfer big for a one-year filler on the front line. And you are hammering the recruiting? The recruiting has been good in the short term.
Our frontcourt is awful. We are desperate for bodies. Owens and Yakwe cannot rebound at a BE level.
Owens can rebound, but he can't match up with the opposing team's front court. He's not strong enough, but he is the only big on our team who even tries to board. Yakwe can't rebound at a big east level anymore. For some reason, he's lost his motor.
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Owens averages 5.2 as a starting big man. Yakwe averages 3.5. That's pathetic.
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Owens averages 5.2 as a starting big man. Yakwe averages 3.5. That's pathetic.
Owens doesn't start. 5.2 off the bench isn't pathetic. That's pretty good, no? Yakwe is terrible, I agree. His regression is the single biggest reason why we are not headed to the NIT. He should be pulling down 6-8 boards per game. He has no idea what he's doing out there. He plays like the game is brand new to him.
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Trust me, I hear you guys on the rebounding woes and lack of interior defense in the front court, aside from shot blocking. I do think that Owens and Yawke can improve in the offseason, get stronger, mature, and be better in those areas next season. I also think that Clark can help on the boards. And perhaps Ahmed with another year under his belt. And Williams with an injury free offseason. There are countless examples of guys who were written off, came back, and were an asset in the areas that folks on this board and others didn't think was possible.
Yes, I think we need another big for sure. As nice as the guard/wing situation has progressed to date, the 4/5 slot has been a different story between Williams injuries, Sima's leaving, Yawke's regression, the Brown-fiasco, the Livingston situation, etc. I think we'll fine someone to help in that area, hopefully a quality grad transfer. I don't think we need a star there if everyone comes back.
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
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Going after mid major talent is fine, when you're not at the bottom of the pile
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
That about says it all about the recent history of the program-"Lavin's record speaks for itself". What, one NIT win in five seasons. Not exactly speaking about john Wooden here, are we?
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
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Going after mid major talent is fine, when you're not at the bottom of the pile
The problem isn't mid major or high major as much as it's being able to find, evaluate, sign and develop talent. 5 players returned from last year's team. Mussini, Ellison, Yakwe, Sima, Williams and Alibegovic. 3 out of the 5 have either regressed or pussed out.
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Trust me, I hear you guys on the rebounding woes and lack of interior defense in the front court, aside from shot blocking. I do think that Owens and Yawke can improve in the offseason, get stronger, mature, and be better in those areas next season. I also think that Clark can help on the boards. And perhaps Ahmed with another year under his belt. And Williams with an injury free offseason. There are countless examples of guys who were written off, came back, and were an asset in the areas that folks on this board and others didn't think was possible.
Yes, I think we need another big for sure. As nice as the guard/wing situation has progressed to date, the 4/5 slot has been a different story between Williams injuries, Sima's leaving, Yawke's regression, the Brown-fiasco, the Livingston situation, etc. I think we'll fine someone to help in that area, hopefully a quality grad transfer. I don't think we need a star there if everyone comes back.
Yakwe needs to get stronger, but he needs to learn the game. That's his problem. He has no idea what he's doing out there.
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Reminds me of Jae Crowder a little
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Sampson is not exactly lighting it up at LSU and looked lost on that team last year as a freshman....Obkepa was no shoe in to be around all year or even on the team lets just say he was....then ali, jones and felix...The VCU kid would have been ineligible like Lovett was....am i missing anyone who we had or involved with?.....That team would have been 4-8 win team last year with not a great future at all.
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I was going to respond to Poison's point but you beat me to it, and it has been beaten to death. Lavin left this program a disaster. Our roster was how it was last year because he stopped recruiting his last few years, period, and put our fate in the hands of two problem children of highest regard, with no backup plans in sight. Anyone who loves St. John's can be appreciative of what Lav did his first few years and disgusted with what he did towards the latter part of his tenure.
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
Brandon Sampson is not a point guard and he's an average player on the 2nd worst team in the SEC in his sophomore season.
Lavin did recruit some talent but he got lazy and we never had enough depth. The players from his first two recruiting classes made one NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed and never had a chance to win that game. Had Lavin stayed another year we may not have gone 1-17 last year but we wouldn't have been good at all either. It's not crazy to think he could have spent 10 years here and not won one tournament game as he is a perpetual underachiever.
I'm far from thrilled with this current staff so far mainly due to lack of player development, but they are bringing in talent and building a foundation to what could be a consistent program. Yes the frontcourt is very weak right now but the staff did have a bite on that kid Livingston until the higher ups shot them down. Livingston would have been a major piece of this team and would have been a big difference. Can't blame the staff for not getting the green light to bring him in.
Let's see how next year's roster shakes out before making judgments. There is still time for Matt to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land a capable JuCo or grad transfer
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One regressed. One transferred. One was never a Big East player to begin with. And the other 3 are all better now than what they showed last year.
Going after mid major talent is fine, when you're not at the bottom of the pile
The problem isn't mid major or high major as much as it's being able to find, evaluate, sign and develop talent. 5 players returned from last year's team. Mussini, Ellison, Yakwe, Sima, Williams and Alibegovic. 3 out of the 5 have either regressed or pussed out.
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I was going to respond to Poison's point but you beat me to it, and it has been beaten to death. Lavin left this program a disaster. Our roster was how it was last year because he stopped recruiting his last few years, period, and put our fate in the hands of two problem children of highest regard, with no backup plans in sight. Anyone who loves St. John's can be appreciative of what Lav did his first few years and disgusted with what he did towards the latter part of his tenure.
I think disgusted is pretty unfair. If he left, then we can say he left us with nothing, but STJ fired him.
Lavin didn't recruit anyone with a criminal record. The way he's talked about here, you'd think he was recruiting straight from prison. His last year here, we made the NCAA tournament, and he was fired anyway. I'm not saying they shouldn't have moved on. In addition to slowing down on the recruiting front, Lavin was not a very good in-game coach. But shit, he was better than what we have now.
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One regressed. One transferred. One was never a Big East player to begin with. And the other 3 are all better now than what they showed last year.
Going after mid major talent is fine, when you're not at the bottom of the pile
The problem isn't mid major or high major as much as it's being able to find, evaluate, sign and develop talent. 5 players returned from last year's team. Mussini, Ellison, Yakwe, Sima, Williams and Alibegovic. 3 out of the 5 have either regressed or pussed out.
What 3 are better now? Williams is better. Ellison is better. That's it. Mussini is awful. Sima was awful. Yakwe is awful.
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Some of you guys have distorted sense of expectations. Owens is 17th in conference in rebounding and 8th in offensive rebounds and has been a great presence defensively. Outside of Patton, Delgado, and maybe Govan what center are you taking over him?
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
Brandon Sampson is not a point guard and he's an average player on the 2nd worst team in the SEC in his sophomore season.
Lavin did recruit some talent but he got lazy and we never had enough depth. The players from his first two recruiting classes made one NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed and never had a chance to win that game. Had Lavin stayed another year we may not have gone 1-17 last year but we wouldn't have been good at all either. It's not crazy to think he could have spent 10 years here and not won one tournament game as he is a perpetual underachiever.
I'm far from thrilled with this current staff so far mainly due to lack of player development, but they are bringing in talent and building a foundation to what could be a consistent program. Yes the frontcourt is very weak right now but the staff did have a bite on that kid Livingston until the higher ups shot them down. Livingston would have been a major piece of this team and would have been a big difference. Can't blame the staff for not getting the green light to bring him in.
Let's see how next year's roster shakes out before making judgments. There is still time for Matt to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land a capable JuCo or grad transfer
What talent is being brought in? Between Livingston and Brown, the staff needs to get their shit together, and stop recruiting kids that they already know have serious issues. The school moved on from Lavin because Obekpa smoked a joint at a really bad time. He didn't assault any police officers, or steal anything.
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Sampson is not exactly lighting it up at LSU and looked lost on that team last year as a freshman....Obkepa was no shoe in to be around all year or even on the team lets just say he was....then ali, jones and felix...The VCU kid would have been ineligible like Lovett was....am i missing anyone who we had or involved with?.....That team would have been 4-8 win team last year with not a great future at all.
We don't know what team Lavin would have fielded had he been extended. His hands were tied, because recruits knew that STJ was considering moving on. You listed several players, but we don't know how the class would have shaped up, because we didn't give him that chance. Again, not saying we should have, but we need to stop saying that he left us with nothing, when he wasn't given a chance to finish the job.
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I am responding to your post about Lavin would have been fine if he stayed around the next year with that roster? That is false....You cant put Livingston and Brown in same equations Livingston never committed and since his incident he has been problem free at Arkansas State and Texas Tech
In response to talent being bought it.....Are we just forgetting about Ponds and Lovett, Simon, Clark, Ownes, Bashir....This team is 1 big man away from being NCAA bubble team/NIT and they are ALL underclassmen.
We need to dial back expectations and realize this was a total rebuild and if you would have told me we have a chance to win 7/8 big east games in year 2 after last year i would have been happy...Yes the early losses crush me also but lets not forget Lavin lost plenty of games like that too
Nect year if we are not an NCAA tourney team then we can start questioning the coaching and players being brought it
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
Brandon Sampson is not a point guard and he's an average player on the 2nd worst team in the SEC in his sophomore season.
Lavin did recruit some talent but he got lazy and we never had enough depth. The players from his first two recruiting classes made one NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed and never had a chance to win that game. Had Lavin stayed another year we may not have gone 1-17 last year but we wouldn't have been good at all either. It's not crazy to think he could have spent 10 years here and not won one tournament game as he is a perpetual underachiever.
I'm far from thrilled with this current staff so far mainly due to lack of player development, but they are bringing in talent and building a foundation to what could be a consistent program. Yes the frontcourt is very weak right now but the staff did have a bite on that kid Livingston until the higher ups shot them down. Livingston would have been a major piece of this team and would have been a big difference. Can't blame the staff for not getting the green light to bring him in.
Let's see how next year's roster shakes out before making judgments. There is still time for Matt to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land a capable JuCo or grad transfer
What talent is being brought in? Between Livingston and Brown, the staff needs to get their shit together, and stop recruiting kids that they already know have serious issues. The school moved on from Lavin because Obekpa smoked a joint at a really bad time. He didn't assault any police officers, or steal anything.
There is 1 scholarship open. Why wouldn't you take a risk on a potential pro?
Don't forget about Simon and Clark in next year's incoming group. 2018 in good with a lot of great kids and same for 2019. Best shape we've been in recruiting in over a decade.
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
Brandon Sampson is not a point guard and he's an average player on the 2nd worst team in the SEC in his sophomore season.
Lavin did recruit some talent but he got lazy and we never had enough depth. The players from his first two recruiting classes made one NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed and never had a chance to win that game. Had Lavin stayed another year we may not have gone 1-17 last year but we wouldn't have been good at all either. It's not crazy to think he could have spent 10 years here and not won one tournament game as he is a perpetual underachiever.
I'm far from thrilled with this current staff so far mainly due to lack of player development, but they are bringing in talent and building a foundation to what could be a consistent program. Yes the frontcourt is very weak right now but the staff did have a bite on that kid Livingston until the higher ups shot them down. Livingston would have been a major piece of this team and would have been a big difference. Can't blame the staff for not getting the green light to bring him in.
Let's see how next year's roster shakes out before making judgments. There is still time for Matt to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land a capable JuCo or grad transfer
What talent is being brought in? Between Livingston and Brown, the staff needs to get their shit together, and stop recruiting kids that they already know have serious issues. The school moved on from Lavin because Obekpa smoked a joint at a really bad time. He didn't assault any police officers, or steal anything.
There is 1 scholarship open. Why wouldn't you take a risk on a potential pro?
Don't forget about Simon and Clark in next year's incoming group. 2018 in good with a lot of great kids and same for 2019. Best shape we've been in recruiting in over a decade.
I think we just found out why you don't take a risk on a kid like that. The staff is first trying to build a program. This kid wasn't gravy. They needed him. There is no size on this team or next year's team. If it stays that way, they will not make the tournament in year 3.
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
Brandon Sampson is not a point guard and he's an average player on the 2nd worst team in the SEC in his sophomore season.
Lavin did recruit some talent but he got lazy and we never had enough depth. The players from his first two recruiting classes made one NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed and never had a chance to win that game. Had Lavin stayed another year we may not have gone 1-17 last year but we wouldn't have been good at all either. It's not crazy to think he could have spent 10 years here and not won one tournament game as he is a perpetual underachiever.
I'm far from thrilled with this current staff so far mainly due to lack of player development, but they are bringing in talent and building a foundation to what could be a consistent program. Yes the frontcourt is very weak right now but the staff did have a bite on that kid Livingston until the higher ups shot them down. Livingston would have been a major piece of this team and would have been a big difference. Can't blame the staff for not getting the green light to bring him in.
Let's see how next year's roster shakes out before making judgments. There is still time for Matt to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land a capable JuCo or grad transfer
What talent is being brought in? Between Livingston and Brown, the staff needs to get their shit together, and stop recruiting kids that they already know have serious issues. The school moved on from Lavin because Obekpa smoked a joint at a really bad time. He didn't assault any police officers, or steal anything.
There is 1 scholarship open. Why wouldn't you take a risk on a potential pro?
Don't forget about Simon and Clark in next year's incoming group. 2018 in good with a lot of great kids and same for 2019. Best shape we've been in recruiting in over a decade.
I think we just found out why you don't take a risk on a kid like that. The staff is first trying to build a program. This kid wasn't gravy. They needed him. There is no size on this team or next year's team. If it stays that way, they will not make the tournament in year 3.
So who were you getting instead? Please tell me.
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
Brandon Sampson is not a point guard and he's an average player on the 2nd worst team in the SEC in his sophomore season.
Lavin did recruit some talent but he got lazy and we never had enough depth. The players from his first two recruiting classes made one NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed and never had a chance to win that game. Had Lavin stayed another year we may not have gone 1-17 last year but we wouldn't have been good at all either. It's not crazy to think he could have spent 10 years here and not won one tournament game as he is a perpetual underachiever.
I'm far from thrilled with this current staff so far mainly due to lack of player development, but they are bringing in talent and building a foundation to what could be a consistent program. Yes the frontcourt is very weak right now but the staff did have a bite on that kid Livingston until the higher ups shot them down. Livingston would have been a major piece of this team and would have been a big difference. Can't blame the staff for not getting the green light to bring him in.
Let's see how next year's roster shakes out before making judgments. There is still time for Matt to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land a capable JuCo or grad transfer
What talent is being brought in? Between Livingston and Brown, the staff needs to get their shit together, and stop recruiting kids that they already know have serious issues. The school moved on from Lavin because Obekpa smoked a joint at a really bad time. He didn't assault any police officers, or steal anything.
There is 1 scholarship open. Why wouldn't you take a risk on a potential pro?
Don't forget about Simon and Clark in next year's incoming group. 2018 in good with a lot of great kids and same for 2019. Best shape we've been in recruiting in over a decade.
I think we just found out why you don't take a risk on a kid like that. The staff is first trying to build a program. This kid wasn't gravy. They needed him. There is no size on this team or next year's team. If it stays that way, they will not make the tournament in year 3.
So who were you getting instead? Please tell me.
IDK. I don't think any of us should be asked to know. But if the University is going to move on from Lavin because of the off the court incidents, why is a kid like Brown even a consideration at all? LIU has a better front court than we do. I'm pretty sure there's a rebounder out there that could have signed earlier in the year.
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
Brandon Sampson is not a point guard and he's an average player on the 2nd worst team in the SEC in his sophomore season.
Lavin did recruit some talent but he got lazy and we never had enough depth. The players from his first two recruiting classes made one NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed and never had a chance to win that game. Had Lavin stayed another year we may not have gone 1-17 last year but we wouldn't have been good at all either. It's not crazy to think he could have spent 10 years here and not won one tournament game as he is a perpetual underachiever.
I'm far from thrilled with this current staff so far mainly due to lack of player development, but they are bringing in talent and building a foundation to what could be a consistent program. Yes the frontcourt is very weak right now but the staff did have a bite on that kid Livingston until the higher ups shot them down. Livingston would have been a major piece of this team and would have been a big difference. Can't blame the staff for not getting the green light to bring him in.
Let's see how next year's roster shakes out before making judgments. There is still time for Matt to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land a capable JuCo or grad transfer
What talent is being brought in? Between Livingston and Brown, the staff needs to get their shit together, and stop recruiting kids that they already know have serious issues. The school moved on from Lavin because Obekpa smoked a joint at a really bad time. He didn't assault any police officers, or steal anything.
There is 1 scholarship open. Why wouldn't you take a risk on a potential pro?
Don't forget about Simon and Clark in next year's incoming group. 2018 in good with a lot of great kids and same for 2019. Best shape we've been in recruiting in over a decade.
I think we just found out why you don't take a risk on a kid like that. The staff is first trying to build a program. This kid wasn't gravy. They needed him. There is no size on this team or next year's team. If it stays that way, they will not make the tournament in year 3.
So who were you getting instead? Please tell me.
IDK. I don't think any of us should be asked to know. But if the University is going to move on from Lavin because of the off the court incidents, why is a kid like Brown even a consideration at all? LIU has a better front court than we do. I'm pretty sure there's a rebounder out there that could have signed earlier in the year.
Why look locally when we could go grab a player from the south with a rap sheet?
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
Brandon Sampson is not a point guard and he's an average player on the 2nd worst team in the SEC in his sophomore season.
Lavin did recruit some talent but he got lazy and we never had enough depth. The players from his first two recruiting classes made one NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed and never had a chance to win that game. Had Lavin stayed another year we may not have gone 1-17 last year but we wouldn't have been good at all either. It's not crazy to think he could have spent 10 years here and not won one tournament game as he is a perpetual underachiever.
I'm far from thrilled with this current staff so far mainly due to lack of player development, but they are bringing in talent and building a foundation to what could be a consistent program. Yes the frontcourt is very weak right now but the staff did have a bite on that kid Livingston until the higher ups shot them down. Livingston would have been a major piece of this team and would have been a big difference. Can't blame the staff for not getting the green light to bring him in.
Let's see how next year's roster shakes out before making judgments. There is still time for Matt to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land a capable JuCo or grad transfer
What talent is being brought in? Between Livingston and Brown, the staff needs to get their shit together, and stop recruiting kids that they already know have serious issues. The school moved on from Lavin because Obekpa smoked a joint at a really bad time. He didn't assault any police officers, or steal anything.
There is 1 scholarship open. Why wouldn't you take a risk on a potential pro?
Don't forget about Simon and Clark in next year's incoming group. 2018 in good with a lot of great kids and same for 2019. Best shape we've been in recruiting in over a decade.
I think we just found out why you don't take a risk on a kid like that. The staff is first trying to build a program. This kid wasn't gravy. They needed him. There is no size on this team or next year's team. If it stays that way, they will not make the tournament in year 3.
So who were you getting instead? Please tell me.
IDK. I don't think any of us should be asked to know. But if the University is going to move on from Lavin because of the off the court incidents, why is a kid like Brown even a consideration at all? LIU has a better front court than we do. I'm pretty sure there's a rebounder out there that could have signed earlier in the year.
Since when was Lavin let go because of off the court incidents? Look up and down at available bigs and there aren't many I'd consider offering a scholarship to
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
Brandon Sampson is not a point guard and he's an average player on the 2nd worst team in the SEC in his sophomore season.
Lavin did recruit some talent but he got lazy and we never had enough depth. The players from his first two recruiting classes made one NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed and never had a chance to win that game. Had Lavin stayed another year we may not have gone 1-17 last year but we wouldn't have been good at all either. It's not crazy to think he could have spent 10 years here and not won one tournament game as he is a perpetual underachiever.
I'm far from thrilled with this current staff so far mainly due to lack of player development, but they are bringing in talent and building a foundation to what could be a consistent program. Yes the frontcourt is very weak right now but the staff did have a bite on that kid Livingston until the higher ups shot them down. Livingston would have been a major piece of this team and would have been a big difference. Can't blame the staff for not getting the green light to bring him in.
Let's see how next year's roster shakes out before making judgments. There is still time for Matt to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land a capable JuCo or grad transfer
What talent is being brought in? Between Livingston and Brown, the staff needs to get their shit together, and stop recruiting kids that they already know have serious issues. The school moved on from Lavin because Obekpa smoked a joint at a really bad time. He didn't assault any police officers, or steal anything.
There is 1 scholarship open. Why wouldn't you take a risk on a potential pro?
Don't forget about Simon and Clark in next year's incoming group. 2018 in good with a lot of great kids and same for 2019. Best shape we've been in recruiting in over a decade.
I think we just found out why you don't take a risk on a kid like that. The staff is first trying to build a program. This kid wasn't gravy. They needed him. There is no size on this team or next year's team. If it stays that way, they will not make the tournament in year 3.
So who were you getting instead? Please tell me.
IDK. I don't think any of us should be asked to know. But if the University is going to move on from Lavin because of the off the court incidents, why is a kid like Brown even a consideration at all? LIU has a better front court than we do. I'm pretty sure there's a rebounder out there that could have signed earlier in the year.
Since when was Lavin let go because of off the court incidents? Look up and down at available bigs and there aren't many I'd consider offering a scholarship to
That is what I was told regarding Lavin. If you've heard differently, ok.
Part of being a good recruiter is being able to find talent that isn't in ranked in the top 100.
I don't think you or I should be expected to identify where that player is, but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask our staff to come up with at least one recruit seeing as how we don't have a center.
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http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=C
I wouldn't offer any uncommitted big on this list.
http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=PF
I'll even humor you with PF list too. Derrick Walker was hopefully underrated but he's surrounded by guys I'd consider reaches.
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
Brandon Sampson is not a point guard and he's an average player on the 2nd worst team in the SEC in his sophomore season.
Lavin did recruit some talent but he got lazy and we never had enough depth. The players from his first two recruiting classes made one NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed and never had a chance to win that game. Had Lavin stayed another year we may not have gone 1-17 last year but we wouldn't have been good at all either. It's not crazy to think he could have spent 10 years here and not won one tournament game as he is a perpetual underachiever.
I'm far from thrilled with this current staff so far mainly due to lack of player development, but they are bringing in talent and building a foundation to what could be a consistent program. Yes the frontcourt is very weak right now but the staff did have a bite on that kid Livingston until the higher ups shot them down. Livingston would have been a major piece of this team and would have been a big difference. Can't blame the staff for not getting the green light to bring him in.
Let's see how next year's roster shakes out before making judgments. There is still time for Matt to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land a capable JuCo or grad transfer
What talent is being brought in? Between Livingston and Brown, the staff needs to get their shit together, and stop recruiting kids that they already know have serious issues. The school moved on from Lavin because Obekpa smoked a joint at a really bad time. He didn't assault any police officers, or steal anything.
There is 1 scholarship open. Why wouldn't you take a risk on a potential pro?
Don't forget about Simon and Clark in next year's incoming group. 2018 in good with a lot of great kids and same for 2019. Best shape we've been in recruiting in over a decade.
I think we just found out why you don't take a risk on a kid like that. The staff is first trying to build a program. This kid wasn't gravy. They needed him. There is no size on this team or next year's team. If it stays that way, they will not make the tournament in year 3.
So who were you getting instead? Please tell me.
IDK. I don't think any of us should be asked to know. But if the University is going to move on from Lavin because of the off the court incidents, why is a kid like Brown even a consideration at all? LIU has a better front court than we do. I'm pretty sure there's a rebounder out there that could have signed earlier in the year.
Since when was Lavin let go because of off the court incidents? Look up and down at available bigs and there aren't many I'd consider offering a scholarship to
That is what I was told regarding Lavin. If you've heard differently, ok.
Part of being a good recruiter is being able to find talent that isn't in ranked in the top 100.
I don't think you or I should be expected to identify where that player is, but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask our staff to come up with at least one recruit seeing as how we don't have a center.
So in one breathe you want better talent then in next you want better talent that no one knows about.
I just don't know what you expect. St. John's isn't UK or Kansas.
Owens, Yakwe, Williams, Clark alone is one of the best front courts in conference next year. If you added a player of Brown's caliber to it then it would be the best. That was done but obviously it didn't work out.
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http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=C
I wouldn't offer any uncommitted big on this list.
http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=PF
I'll even humor you with PF list too. Derrick Walker was hopefully underrated but he's surrounded by guys I'd consider reaches.
It's up to the staff to work harder to find talent. They get a lot of credit for how hard they work. Now let's see it.
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
Brandon Sampson is not a point guard and he's an average player on the 2nd worst team in the SEC in his sophomore season.
Lavin did recruit some talent but he got lazy and we never had enough depth. The players from his first two recruiting classes made one NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed and never had a chance to win that game. Had Lavin stayed another year we may not have gone 1-17 last year but we wouldn't have been good at all either. It's not crazy to think he could have spent 10 years here and not won one tournament game as he is a perpetual underachiever.
I'm far from thrilled with this current staff so far mainly due to lack of player development, but they are bringing in talent and building a foundation to what could be a consistent program. Yes the frontcourt is very weak right now but the staff did have a bite on that kid Livingston until the higher ups shot them down. Livingston would have been a major piece of this team and would have been a big difference. Can't blame the staff for not getting the green light to bring him in.
Let's see how next year's roster shakes out before making judgments. There is still time for Matt to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land a capable JuCo or grad transfer
What talent is being brought in? Between Livingston and Brown, the staff needs to get their shit together, and stop recruiting kids that they already know have serious issues. The school moved on from Lavin because Obekpa smoked a joint at a really bad time. He didn't assault any police officers, or steal anything.
There is 1 scholarship open. Why wouldn't you take a risk on a potential pro?
Don't forget about Simon and Clark in next year's incoming group. 2018 in good with a lot of great kids and same for 2019. Best shape we've been in recruiting in over a decade.
I think we just found out why you don't take a risk on a kid like that. The staff is first trying to build a program. This kid wasn't gravy. They needed him. There is no size on this team or next year's team. If it stays that way, they will not make the tournament in year 3.
So who were you getting instead? Please tell me.
IDK. I don't think any of us should be asked to know. But if the University is going to move on from Lavin because of the off the court incidents, why is a kid like Brown even a consideration at all? LIU has a better front court than we do. I'm pretty sure there's a rebounder out there that could have signed earlier in the year.
Since when was Lavin let go because of off the court incidents? Look up and down at available bigs and there aren't many I'd consider offering a scholarship to
That is what I was told regarding Lavin. If you've heard differently, ok.
Part of being a good recruiter is being able to find talent that isn't in ranked in the top 100.
I don't think you or I should be expected to identify where that player is, but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask our staff to come up with at least one recruit seeing as how we don't have a center.
So in one breathe you want better talent then in next you want better talent that no one knows about.
I just don't know what you expect. St. John's isn't UK or Kansas.
Owens, Yakwe, Williams, Clark alone is one of the best front courts in conference next year. If you added a player of Brown's caliber to it then it would be the best. That was done but obviously it didn't work out.
Providence seems to find bigs that we've never heard of every single year. They are out there. But yes, I see your point. If this kid can play, and he's a good find, then great.
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I never meant to infer that Chris is doing a better job than Lavin. Lavin's record speaks for itself. He did some really good things, especially early on. And then he left our program 10000000 worse than what Norm left him. Mullin & Co. are now having to dig out of that, and it will take time. As long as there is progress towards sustainability on the court and in the recruiting game, I will gladly take that.
We don't need a big man to play major minutes? Who is going to do that for us? By my count, no one. I also think it we should cool it with all of the examples of how Mullin is doing a better job than Lavin. At least until he put together a winning season.
Mullin was a better player than Lavin. He's got em there.
Lavin didn't leave our program in bad shape. He was let go, and it fell apart. Mullin inherited a program with no talent, but that's not the same thing. Lavin would have had a promising freshman point guard in Brandon Sampson, possibly Chris Obekpa and yes, that's not enough to win a lot of games, but players took off after he was fired.
Lavin didn't come up empty in recruiting until the season right before they fired him. As far as recruiting goes, Lavin and his staff brought in quality classes for longer than Mullin has. It was a risk to hire Mullin, and it's possible that it will pay off one day, but right now, we have the weakest frontcourt in the BE and there are zero signs that will change.
Brandon Sampson is not a point guard and he's an average player on the 2nd worst team in the SEC in his sophomore season.
Lavin did recruit some talent but he got lazy and we never had enough depth. The players from his first two recruiting classes made one NCAA Tournament as a 9 seed and never had a chance to win that game. Had Lavin stayed another year we may not have gone 1-17 last year but we wouldn't have been good at all either. It's not crazy to think he could have spent 10 years here and not won one tournament game as he is a perpetual underachiever.
I'm far from thrilled with this current staff so far mainly due to lack of player development, but they are bringing in talent and building a foundation to what could be a consistent program. Yes the frontcourt is very weak right now but the staff did have a bite on that kid Livingston until the higher ups shot them down. Livingston would have been a major piece of this team and would have been a big difference. Can't blame the staff for not getting the green light to bring him in.
Let's see how next year's roster shakes out before making judgments. There is still time for Matt to pull a rabbit out of his hat and land a capable JuCo or grad transfer
What talent is being brought in? Between Livingston and Brown, the staff needs to get their shit together, and stop recruiting kids that they already know have serious issues. The school moved on from Lavin because Obekpa smoked a joint at a really bad time. He didn't assault any police officers, or steal anything.
There is 1 scholarship open. Why wouldn't you take a risk on a potential pro?
Don't forget about Simon and Clark in next year's incoming group. 2018 in good with a lot of great kids and same for 2019. Best shape we've been in recruiting in over a decade.
I think we just found out why you don't take a risk on a kid like that. The staff is first trying to build a program. This kid wasn't gravy. They needed him. There is no size on this team or next year's team. If it stays that way, they will not make the tournament in year 3.
So who were you getting instead? Please tell me.
IDK. I don't think any of us should be asked to know. But if the University is going to move on from Lavin because of the off the court incidents, why is a kid like Brown even a consideration at all? LIU has a better front court than we do. I'm pretty sure there's a rebounder out there that could have signed earlier in the year.
Why look locally when we could go grab a player from the south with a rap sheet?
Who local? Who?
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
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We've recruited well to date under the circumstances. Just need to round out the roster a bit and hope everyone is smart enough to stay and work hard on their game.
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona has built a program off those guys. They've been on better side of a lot of gambles. Sometimes cast aways or misfits work. Sometimes they don't.
DeAndre Kane for Iowa St was a gamble and it paid off Big (12 championship).
Jevon Thomas for Seton Hall was a gamble and it resulted to a wasted scholarship.
There are plenty of success and failure stories out there. IMO LoVett was a big gamble. Would you guys not want him on the team?
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Tariq Owens?
Please tell me in the Big East who are the best 10 centers.
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Tariq Owens?
Please tell me in the Big East who are the best 10 centers.
I put him 6th behind Patton, Delgado, Govan, Fischer, and Reynolds in that order.
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Tariq Owens?
Please tell me in the Big East who are the best 10 centers.
I love Owens. I made that clear all summer. But he's not a center. He's not strong enough. Georgetown doesn't have the guards that we do, but they are us alive inside because no one could move them out of the paint. Govan, Hayes would both start at center for us. Seton Hall's two bigs would both start. Wideman on Butler would start.
But in fairness to Owens, he's often the only one working inside for anything. He desperately needs help, and a sandwich.
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Tariq Owens?
Please tell me in the Big East who are the best 10 centers.
I put him 6th behind Patton, Delgado, Govan, Fischer, and Reynolds in that order.
So Reynolds and Fischer are graduating and Patton is likely headed to the draft. I'll give you Delgado and Govan so does that make Pwens de facto #3 next year?
I think Spellman is up there and a few others who are ok but point is it's a struggle to make clear cut guys better than Owens.
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Tariq Owens?
Please tell me in the Big East who are the best 10 centers.
I love Owens. I made that clear all summer. But he's not a center. He's not strong enough. Georgetown doesn't have the guards that we do, but they are us alive inside because no one could move them out of the paint. Govan, Hayes would both start at center for us. Seton Hall's two bigs would both start. Wideman on Butler would start.
But in fairness to Owens, he's often the only one working inside for anything. He desperately needs help, and a sandwich.
He's a front court player. I'm not gonna argue over PF or C designation. Also Mike Nzei is no where near player Owens is.
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Tariq Owens?
Please tell me in the Big East who are the best 10 centers.
I put him 6th behind Patton, Delgado, Govan, Fischer, and Reynolds in that order.
So Reynolds and Fischer are graduating and Patton is likely headed to the draft. I'll give you Delgado and Govan so does that make Pwens de facto #3 next year?
I think Spellman is up there and a few others who are ok but point is it's a struggle to make clear cut guys better than Owens.
Owens is a nice piece to have as a 15-20 minute guy to plug in to give your starting bigs a break. Is he a starting center on a tournament team? Not sure
Delgado, Govan, Spellman and Wideman are clearly ahead of Owens on the BE C ranking for next year assuming they are all back. So our starting C will be in the middle of the pack in the BE. Not bad, not great. The key will be will Owens improve his game from this year to next or will he follow the other bigs we've had under this staff and either not get better at all or regress? He needs to take a step up next year
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Tariq Owens?
Please tell me in the Big East who are the best 10 centers.
I love Owens. I made that clear all summer. But he's not a center. He's not strong enough. Georgetown doesn't have the guards that we do, but they are us alive inside because no one could move them out of the paint. Govan, Hayes would both start at center for us. Seton Hall's two bigs would both start. Wideman on Butler would start.
But in fairness to Owens, he's often the only one working inside for anything. He desperately needs help, and a sandwich.
He's a front court player. I'm not gonna argue over PF or C designation. Also Mike Nzei is no where near player Owens is.
I'm the President of the Tariq Owens fan club. He plays his butt off, always. It's not about talent w Tariq, he needs to be strong enough to stand his ground inside, and he might be one of those guys who just can't add muscle. I love his energy as a 6th man. As a starting center, he'd be in foul trouble even more than he is now.
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Tariq Owens?
Please tell me in the Big East who are the best 10 centers.
I put him 6th behind Patton, Delgado, Govan, Fischer, and Reynolds in that order.
So Reynolds and Fischer are graduating and Patton is likely headed to the draft. I'll give you Delgado and Govan so does that make Pwens de facto #3 next year?
I think Spellman is up there and a few others who are ok but point is it's a struggle to make clear cut guys better than Owens.
Owens is a nice piece to have as a 15-20 minute guy to plug in to give your starting bigs a break. Is he a starting center on a tournament team? Not sure
Delgado, Govan, Spellman and Wideman are clearly ahead of Owens on the BE C ranking for next year assuming they are all back. So our starting C will be in the middle of the pack in the BE. Not bad, not great. The key will be will Owens improve his game from this year to next or will he follow the other bigs we've had under this staff and either not get better at all or regress? He needs to take a step up next year
Delgado is gone after this year. He rebounds like Alonzo Mourning.
Owens needs to improve his strength, and he needs to stop fouling people at mid court. Thing is, he can't play 15-20 minutes a game, because he's the best big man on the team.
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Tariq Owens?
Please tell me in the Big East who are the best 10 centers.
I put him 6th behind Patton, Delgado, Govan, Fischer, and Reynolds in that order.
So Reynolds and Fischer are graduating and Patton is likely headed to the draft. I'll give you Delgado and Govan so does that make Pwens de facto #3 next year?
I think Spellman is up there and a few others who are ok but point is it's a struggle to make clear cut guys better than Owens.
Owens is a nice piece to have as a 15-20 minute guy to plug in to give your starting bigs a break. Is he a starting center on a tournament team? Not sure
Delgado, Govan, Spellman and Wideman are clearly ahead of Owens on the BE C ranking for next year assuming they are all back. So our starting C will be in the middle of the pack in the BE. Not bad, not great. The key will be will Owens improve his game from this year to next or will he follow the other bigs we've had under this staff and either not get better at all or regress? He needs to take a step up next year
Delgado is gone after this year. He rebounds like Alonzo Mourning.
Owens needs to improve his strength, and he needs to stop fouling people at mid court. Thing is, he can't play 15-20 minutes a game, because he's the best big man on the team.
Yeah, that's my point. He's a good player but shouldn't be our best big.
Unless Delgado wants to play in the D league or Europe next year he's not going anywhere. There's not a chance he gets drafted in this year's draft
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Oh I agree. I'm a closet Gaels fan as Baldi knows. But with the roster leftover by our old coach, and with Mullin & Co. taking over in March 2015 after basically all recruiting for that year had been done, and behind the 8 ball for the following year, you have to take some risks.
Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Tariq Owens?
Please tell me in the Big East who are the best 10 centers.
I put him 6th behind Patton, Delgado, Govan, Fischer, and Reynolds in that order.
So Reynolds and Fischer are graduating and Patton is likely headed to the draft. I'll give you Delgado and Govan so does that make Pwens de facto #3 next year?
I think Spellman is up there and a few others who are ok but point is it's a struggle to make clear cut guys better than Owens.
Owens is a nice piece to have as a 15-20 minute guy to plug in to give your starting bigs a break. Is he a starting center on a tournament team? Not sure
Delgado, Govan, Spellman and Wideman are clearly ahead of Owens on the BE C ranking for next year assuming they are all back. So our starting C will be in the middle of the pack in the BE. Not bad, not great. The key will be will Owens improve his game from this year to next or will he follow the other bigs we've had under this staff and either not get better at all or regress? He needs to take a step up next year
Delgado is gone after this year. He rebounds like Alonzo Mourning.
Owens needs to improve his strength, and he needs to stop fouling people at mid court. Thing is, he can't play 15-20 minutes a game, because he's the best big man on the team.
Yeah, that's my point. He's a good player but shouldn't be our best big.
Unless Delgado wants to play in the D league or Europe next year he's not going anywhere. There's not a chance he gets drafted in this year's draft
I don't think you're giving Delgado enough credit. He is an elite rebounder. You need those in the league. He's what Justin Burrell would have been had he played elsewhere.
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Tariq Owens?
Please tell me in the Big East who are the best 10 centers.
I put him 6th behind Patton, Delgado, Govan, Fischer, and Reynolds in that order.
So Reynolds and Fischer are graduating and Patton is likely headed to the draft. I'll give you Delgado and Govan so does that make Pwens de facto #3 next year?
I think Spellman is up there and a few others who are ok but point is it's a struggle to make clear cut guys better than Owens.
Owens is a nice piece to have as a 15-20 minute guy to plug in to give your starting bigs a break. Is he a starting center on a tournament team? Not sure
Delgado, Govan, Spellman and Wideman are clearly ahead of Owens on the BE C ranking for next year assuming they are all back. So our starting C will be in the middle of the pack in the BE. Not bad, not great. The key will be will Owens improve his game from this year to next or will he follow the other bigs we've had under this staff and either not get better at all or regress? He needs to take a step up next year
Delgado is gone after this year. He rebounds like Alonzo Mourning.
Owens needs to improve his strength, and he needs to stop fouling people at mid court. Thing is, he can't play 15-20 minutes a game, because he's the best big man on the team.
Yeah, that's my point. He's a good player but shouldn't be our best big.
Unless Delgado wants to play in the D league or Europe next year he's not going anywhere. There's not a chance he gets drafted in this year's draft
I don't think you're giving Delgado enough credit. He is an elite rebounder. You need those in the league. He's what Justin Burrell would have been had he played elsewhere.
Yes he's a great college player but he's not athletic enough or polished enough offensively for the NBA. Every big guy in the NBA is an elite rebounder. They wouldn't be in the NBA if they weren't, but NBA big guys can do other things that Delgado can't. And it doesn't matter what I think, no NBA scout or GM will draft him. This upcoming draft is loaded and it's hard enough for 2nd round picks to earn a roster spot let alone undrafted FAs. He's not projected to be taken in either of the next two drafts by draftexpress or nbadraft.net
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Won't Clarke help with the situation? Isn't he supposed to play the 4 next year?
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Won't Clarke help with the situation? Isn't he supposed to play the 4 next year?
Maybe, but he put up basically the same numbers as a soph as Yakwe is now.
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Oh I agree. I'm a closet Gaels fan as Baldi knows. But with the roster leftover by our old coach, and with Mullin & Co. taking over in March 2015 after basically all recruiting for that year had been done, and behind the 8 ball for the following year, you have to take some risks.
Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Most of the gambles have worked out for Cluess, because of Cluess.
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Davenport was injured last night in game Matt attended
http://jucoreport.com/gordon-state-vs-georgia-highlands-recap/
Looks like we could use Haslem.
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http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=C
I wouldn't offer any uncommitted big on this list.
http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=PF
I'll even humor you with PF list too. Derrick Walker was hopefully underrated but he's surrounded by guys I'd consider reaches.
Don't know these guys from a hole in the wall but Providence gets a 6"8 220 kid named Watkins, and a 6'11 205 kid named Dickens. Pitt gets a 6'10 230 kid named Peace LLegomah. Why are we not involved with more of these guys in the beginning rather then scrambling for them at the end.
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http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=C
I wouldn't offer any uncommitted big on this list.
http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&Position=PF
I'll even humor you with PF list too. Derrick Walker was hopefully underrated but he's surrounded by guys I'd consider reaches.
Don't know these guys from a hole in the wall but Providence gets a 6"8 220 kid named Watkins, and a 6'11 205 kid named Dickens. Pitt gets a 6'10 230 kid named Peace LLegomah. Why are we not involved with more of these guys in the beginning rather then scrambling for them at the end.
Exactly. Are recruits so excited for the opportunity to live in a wasteland like Pittsburgh? Or were just ignored like Carl Krauser was? Work harder. It's that simple.
Even a Donald Emanuel type would help this team. We don't need a guy at every position who is a legend in their own mind. If they could find a guy who wanted to box out, grab offensive boards and didn't routinely assault people, that would be great. We can finally shoot the damn ball, and now, the one thing that we have almost been good at, defense, no one cares to play it.
Except for my man Tariq Owens. Respect.
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Oh I agree. I'm a closet Gaels fan as Baldi knows. But with the roster leftover by our old coach, and with Mullin & Co. taking over in March 2015 after basically all recruiting for that year had been done, and behind the 8 ball for the following year, you have to take some risks.
Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Most of the gambles have worked out for Cluess, because of Cluess.
Iona has had some very good coaches, but the system that Cluess has put in place makes him the best of an impressive group. Maybe we shouldn't be copying Cluess, because we need more continuity in a much tougher conference, but why is it that we can never recognize a system with our coach?
Love him or hate him, by and large, Boeheim recruits the same type of player for a certain position every time. His big men may not be the most athletic or the quickest, but they can pass, and they can hit shots. Carnesecca recruited guys that understood what St.John's man to man defense was all about. They came here because of it. Why is a recruit coming here in year 3? To play what kind of basketball? Chuck it up?
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Dave - don't you know by now? My man Baldi thinks it is only OK for Iona to gamble on kids with checkered pasts that, if it works, makes the team significantly better...
Iona should gamble on kids with checkered pasts. They play in the MAAC, and they have no choice but to take risks. We, are in a different situation. We have no center, and yet the staff gambled on a position that we clearly needed to fill, and it blew up in their face.
Tariq Owens?
Please tell me in the Big East who are the best 10 centers.
I put him 6th behind Patton, Delgado, Govan, Fischer, and Reynolds in that order.
So Reynolds and Fischer are graduating and Patton is likely headed to the draft. I'll give you Delgado and Govan so does that make Pwens de facto #3 next year?
I think Spellman is up there and a few others who are ok but point is it's a struggle to make clear cut guys better than Owens.
Owens is a nice piece to have as a 15-20 minute guy to plug in to give your starting bigs a break. Is he a starting center on a tournament team? Not sure
Delgado, Govan, Spellman and Wideman are clearly ahead of Owens on the BE C ranking for next year assuming they are all back. So our starting C will be in the middle of the pack in the BE. Not bad, not great. The key will be will Owens improve his game from this year to next or will he follow the other bigs we've had under this staff and either not get better at all or regress? He needs to take a step up next year
Delgado is gone after this year. He rebounds like Alonzo Mourning.
Owens needs to improve his strength, and he needs to stop fouling people at mid court. Thing is, he can't play 15-20 minutes a game, because he's the best big man on the team.
Yeah, that's my point. He's a good player but shouldn't be our best big.
Unless Delgado wants to play in the D league or Europe next year he's not going anywhere. There's not a chance he gets drafted in this year's draft
I don't think you're giving Delgado enough credit. He is an elite rebounder. You need those in the league. He's what Justin Burrell would have been had he played elsewhere.
Yes he's a great college player but he's not athletic enough or polished enough offensively for the NBA. Every big guy in the NBA is an elite rebounder. They wouldn't be in the NBA if they weren't, but NBA big guys can do other things that Delgado can't. And it doesn't matter what I think, no NBA scout or GM will draft him. This upcoming draft is loaded and it's hard enough for 2nd round picks to earn a roster spot let alone undrafted FAs. He's not projected to be taken in either of the next two drafts by draftexpress or nbadraft.net
There have been worse rebounders who have made the league on their rebounding alone.
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There have been worse rebounders who have made the league on their rebounding alone.
Who?
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There have been worse rebounders who have made the league on their rebounding alone.
Who?
Anyone on the Nets
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There have been worse rebounders who have made the league on their rebounding alone.
Who?
Quincy Acy, Reggie Evans. I am not really disagreeing with you. My point is rebounding is never going out of style and nba teams have always had spots for guys whos best, sometimes only, contribution is rebounding. I dont think he should leave school early but I also dont think he has no shot of playing in the league.
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There have been worse rebounders who have made the league on their rebounding alone.
Who?
Quincy Acy, Reggie Evans. I am not really disagreeing with you. My point is rebounding is never going out of style and nba teams have always had spots for guys whos best, sometimes only, contribution is rebounding. I dont think he should leave school early but I also dont think he has no shot of playing in the league.
You just named 2 players that make up less than 1% of NBA. Evans undrafted and Acy gets spot mins. In a loaded draft year Delgado would be crazy to declare.
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I think he has played himself in the second round and should leave for the same reason as Whitehead last year (which, if you look at his minutes and performance, was a good decision in retrospect). Delgado will get no better next year as a 23 year old playing against BE front courts, many of which will be occupied by kids smaller and several years younger than him. In theory he could work on his face up game, passing, etc, but we all know that probably won't happen. He'll be asked to do exactly what he is doing this year, because that will be the best way for the Hall to win.
We have some great guards and wings in this league, and I think kids who stay and are guards can really improve their game by staying for that reason. But how many true bigs does the conference really have that Angel can benefit from competing against? If I'm him, knowing that I'll be 23 next year and knowing what other BE front lines look like, I'm playing my way into the draft and/or starting my professional career elsewhere.
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There have been worse rebounders who have made the league on their rebounding alone.
Who?
Quincy Acy, Reggie Evans. I am not really disagreeing with you. My point is rebounding is never going out of style and nba teams have always had spots for guys whos best, sometimes only, contribution is rebounding. I dont think he should leave school early but I also dont think he has no shot of playing in the league.
You just named 2 players that make up less than 1% of NBA. Evans undrafted and Acy gets spot mins. In a loaded draft year Delgado would be crazy to declare.
Only St.John's players are legends in their own minds. You're probably right. Delgado is probably going to return as will Rodriguez and Carrington.
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No thanks. We need a truck or someone with height...not another 6'6-6'7 tweener that needs to hit the weight room.
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Huh? In the last 15 years, we've had two players leave early when they shouldn't have: Cook and Sampson. One got drafted early in the second (31st overall) and the other didn't but played in the league for a bit. Compare that to how many other kids at other programs leave early. This isn't something specific to St. John's.
There have been worse rebounders who have made the league on their rebounding alone.
Who?
Quincy Acy, Reggie Evans. I am not really disagreeing with you. My point is rebounding is never going out of style and nba teams have always had spots for guys whos best, sometimes only, contribution is rebounding. I dont think he should leave school early but I also dont think he has no shot of playing in the league.
You just named 2 players that make up less than 1% of NBA. Evans undrafted and Acy gets spot mins. In a loaded draft year Delgado would be crazy to declare.
Only St.John's players are legends in their own minds. You're probably right. Delgado is probably going to return as will Rodriguez and Carrington.
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I think he has played himself in the second round and should leave for the same reason as Whitehead last year (which, if you look at his minutes and performance, was a good decision in retrospect). Delgado will get no better next year as a 23 year old playing against BE front courts, many of which will be occupied by kids smaller and several years younger than him. In theory he could work on his face up game, passing, etc, but we all know that probably won't happen. He'll be asked to do exactly what he is doing this year, because that will be the best way for the Hall to win.
We have some great guards and wings in this league, and I think kids who stay and are guards can really improve their game by staying for that reason. But how many true bigs does the conference really have that Angel can benefit from competing against? If I'm him, knowing that I'll be 23 next year and knowing what other BE front lines look like, I'm playing my way into the draft and/or starting my professional career elsewhere.
He won't get drafted in 2nd round in this year's draft class. It's beyond stacked.
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No thanks. We need a truck or someone with height...not another 6'6-6'7 tweener that needs to hit the weight room.
Since when is 6'7 not height?
Personally I want skillful athletes. The days of trucks or true big men are gone.
How's Duke doing with Amile Jefferson playing the 5? He makes Owens look beefy.
Cuse made Final Four with Tyler Roberson and Tyler Lydon in front court. Sure they have Coleman but he's awful. I couldn't even tell ya who Okalahoma had in their front court last year. Nova playing with 6'6 Kris Jenkins playing the 4 and sub 200lb Mikal Bridges and former guard Eric Paschall at the 5.
Game is changing and good true bigs are not exactly an available commodity.
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No thanks. We need a truck or someone with height...not another 6'6-6'7 tweener that needs to hit the weight room.
Since when is 6'7 not height?
Personally I want skillful athletes. The days of trucks or true big men are gone.
How's Duke doing with Amile Jefferson playing the 5? He makes Owens look beefy.
Cuse made Final Four with Tyler Roberson and Tyler Lydon in front court. Sure they have Coleman but he's awful. I couldn't even tell ya who Okalahoma had in their front court last year. Nova playing with 6'6 Kris Jenkins playing the 4 and sub 200lb Mikal Bridges and former guard Eric Paschall at the 5.
Game is changing and good true bigs are not exactly an available commodity.
I am not talking about a true big. I'm talking about a kid that can keep physical big men honest.
We already have Ahmed, Clark, and Yakwe that are the same height and better than this kid. He is redundant. What we don't have is a big body to complement Owens.
Why in the world would cite to Duke to argue size isn't that important? They have a 7'0 260 foreign kid, 6'10 245 Marques Bolden, 6'10 240 Harry Giles, 6'10 230 chase Jeter, 6'9 224 Amile Jefferson and 6'9 255 Obi. Jefferson is a 6'9 224 grad student that was a five-star prospect and looks like The Rock compared to Owens. I can't remember a Duke team that didn't have plenty of big men from Brand to Boozer to the 200 Plumlees to Okafor, Ryan Kelly, and Jabari Parker.
Syracuse started 6'4, 6'6, 6'7, 6'8, and 6'9 for their Final Four. Roberson is 226, Lydon is 223, and Coleman is 268.
We have a center that is currently under 200, a 6'7 PF that is just 210, a SF that is 200, and a pair of 6'0 170 pound guards. We need some size.
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No thanks. We need a truck or someone with height...not another 6'6-6'7 tweener that needs to hit the weight room.
Since when is 6'7 not height?
Personally I want skillful athletes. The days of trucks or true big men are gone.
How's Duke doing with Amile Jefferson playing the 5? He makes Owens look beefy.
Cuse made Final Four with Tyler Roberson and Tyler Lydon in front court. Sure they have Coleman but he's awful. I couldn't even tell ya who Okalahoma had in their front court last year. Nova playing with 6'6 Kris Jenkins playing the 4 and sub 200lb Mikal Bridges and former guard Eric Paschall at the 5.
Game is changing and good true bigs are not exactly an available commodity.
I am not talking about a true big. I'm talking about a kid that can keep physical big men honest.
We already have Ahmed, Clark, and Yakwe that are the same height and better than this kid. He is redundant. What we don't have is a big body to complement Owens.
Why in the world would cite to Duke to argue size isn't that important? They have a 7'0 260 foreign kid, 6'10 245 Marques Bolden, 6'10 240 Harry Giles, 6'10 230 chase Jeter, 6'9 224 Amile Jefferson and 6'9 255 Obi. Jefferson is a 6'9 224 grad student that was a five-star prospect and looks like The Rock compared to Owens. I can't remember a Duke team that didn't have plenty of big men from Brand to Boozer to the 200 Plumlees to Okafor, Ryan Kelly, and Jabari Parker.
Syracuse started 6'4, 6'6, 6'7, 6'8, and 6'9 for their Final Four. Roberson is 226, Lydon is 223, and Coleman is 268.
We have a center that is currently under 200, a 6'7 PF that is just 210, a SF that is 200, and a pair of 6'0 170 pound guards. We need some size.
Matt agrees I sense & that's why a grad transfer fitting that void is number 1 on the radar.
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No doubt loaded, but I'm looking at the draft express second round right now, and there are a bunch of PF types that I take Angel over. I think his rebounding translates, kid plays with so much heart you don't worry on that aspect, and has gotten better
I think he has played himself in the second round and should leave for the same reason as Whitehead last year (which, if you look at his minutes and performance, was a good decision in retrospect). Delgado will get no better next year as a 23 year old playing against BE front courts, many of which will be occupied by kids smaller and several years younger than him. In theory he could work on his face up game, passing, etc, but we all know that probably won't happen. He'll be asked to do exactly what he is doing this year, because that will be the best way for the Hall to win.
We have some great guards and wings in this league, and I think kids who stay and are guards can really improve their game by staying for that reason. But how many true bigs does the conference really have that Angel can benefit from competing against? If I'm him, knowing that I'll be 23 next year and knowing what other BE front lines look like, I'm playing my way into the draft and/or starting my professional career elsewhere.
He won't get drafted in 2nd round in this year's draft class. It's beyond stacked.
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No thanks. We need a truck or someone with height...not another 6'6-6'7 tweener that needs to hit the weight room.
Since when is 6'7 not height?
Personally I want skillful athletes. The days of trucks or true big men are gone.
How's Duke doing with Amile Jefferson playing the 5? He makes Owens look beefy.
Cuse made Final Four with Tyler Roberson and Tyler Lydon in front court. Sure they have Coleman but he's awful. I couldn't even tell ya who Okalahoma had in their front court last year. Nova playing with 6'6 Kris Jenkins playing the 4 and sub 200lb Mikal Bridges and former guard Eric Paschall at the 5.
Game is changing and good true bigs are not exactly an available commodity.
I am not talking about a true big. I'm talking about a kid that can keep physical big men honest.
We already have Ahmed, Clark, and Yakwe that are the same height and better than this kid. He is redundant. What we don't have is a big body to complement Owens.
Why in the world would cite to Duke to argue size isn't that important? They have a 7'0 260 foreign kid, 6'10 245 Marques Bolden, 6'10 240 Harry Giles, 6'10 230 chase Jeter, 6'9 224 Amile Jefferson and 6'9 255 Obi. Jefferson is a 6'9 224 grad student that was a five-star prospect and looks like The Rock compared to Owens. I can't remember a Duke team that didn't have plenty of big men from Brand to Boozer to the 200 Plumlees to Okafor, Ryan Kelly, and Jabari Parker.
Syracuse started 6'4, 6'6, 6'7, 6'8, and 6'9 for their Final Four. Roberson is 226, Lydon is 223, and Coleman is 268.
We have a center that is currently under 200, a 6'7 PF that is just 210, a SF that is 200, and a pair of 6'0 170 pound guards. We need some size.
You do realize that Brand, Boozer, Parker are 6'8-6'9. The average mpg of the Duke bigs you mentioned currently on the team are about 10 mpg appearing in about half of the games played.
Duke has always had a 'big' big man on the roster because they can just as UK and Kansas. It's really hard to have a truly comparative conversation with them and St. John's but point is they aren't exactly dependable on true centers.
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No thanks. We need a truck or someone with height...not another 6'6-6'7 tweener that needs to hit the weight room.
Since when is 6'7 not height?
Personally I want skillful athletes. The days of trucks or true big men are gone.
How's Duke doing with Amile Jefferson playing the 5? He makes Owens look beefy.
Cuse made Final Four with Tyler Roberson and Tyler Lydon in front court. Sure they have Coleman but he's awful. I couldn't even tell ya who Okalahoma had in their front court last year. Nova playing with 6'6 Kris Jenkins playing the 4 and sub 200lb Mikal Bridges and former guard Eric Paschall at the 5.
Game is changing and good true bigs are not exactly an available commodity.
I am not talking about a true big. I'm talking about a kid that can keep physical big men honest.
We already have Ahmed, Clark, and Yakwe that are the same height and better than this kid. He is redundant. What we don't have is a big body to complement Owens.
Why in the world would cite to Duke to argue size isn't that important? They have a 7'0 260 foreign kid, 6'10 245 Marques Bolden, 6'10 240 Harry Giles, 6'10 230 chase Jeter, 6'9 224 Amile Jefferson and 6'9 255 Obi. Jefferson is a 6'9 224 grad student that was a five-star prospect and looks like The Rock compared to Owens. I can't remember a Duke team that didn't have plenty of big men from Brand to Boozer to the 200 Plumlees to Okafor, Ryan Kelly, and Jabari Parker.
Syracuse started 6'4, 6'6, 6'7, 6'8, and 6'9 for their Final Four. Roberson is 226, Lydon is 223, and Coleman is 268.
We have a center that is currently under 200, a 6'7 PF that is just 210, a SF that is 200, and a pair of 6'0 170 pound guards. We need some size.
Other than all of your strong valid counterpoints, Dave seems to make a good point. ???
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No doubt loaded, but I'm looking at the draft express second round right now, and there are a bunch of PF types that I take Angel over. I think his rebounding translates, kid plays with so much heart you don't worry on that aspect, and has gotten better
I think he has played himself in the second round and should leave for the same reason as Whitehead last year (which, if you look at his minutes and performance, was a good decision in retrospect). Delgado will get no better next year as a 23 year old playing against BE front courts, many of which will be occupied by kids smaller and several years younger than him. In theory he could work on his face up game, passing, etc, but we all know that probably won't happen. He'll be asked to do exactly what he is doing this year, because that will be the best way for the Hall to win.
We have some great guards and wings in this league, and I think kids who stay and are guards can really improve their game by staying for that reason. But how many true bigs does the conference really have that Angel can benefit from competing against? If I'm him, knowing that I'll be 23 next year and knowing what other BE front lines look like, I'm playing my way into the draft and/or starting my professional career elsewhere.
He won't get drafted in 2nd round in this year's draft class. It's beyond stacked.
What position can he guard in the NBA? He's not big enough to guard true 5s or big 4s like Towns, Drummond or Aldridge. He's not athletic enough to guard skilled stretch 4s like Porzingis or even a guy like Markieff Morris
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No thanks. We need a truck or someone with height...not another 6'6-6'7 tweener that needs to hit the weight room.
Since when is 6'7 not height?
Personally I want skillful athletes. The days of trucks or true big men are gone.
How's Duke doing with Amile Jefferson playing the 5? He makes Owens look beefy.
Cuse made Final Four with Tyler Roberson and Tyler Lydon in front court. Sure they have Coleman but he's awful. I couldn't even tell ya who Okalahoma had in their front court last year. Nova playing with 6'6 Kris Jenkins playing the 4 and sub 200lb Mikal Bridges and former guard Eric Paschall at the 5.
Game is changing and good true bigs are not exactly an available commodity.
I am not talking about a true big. I'm talking about a kid that can keep physical big men honest.
We already have Ahmed, Clark, and Yakwe that are the same height and better than this kid. He is redundant. What we don't have is a big body to complement Owens.
Why in the world would cite to Duke to argue size isn't that important? They have a 7'0 260 foreign kid, 6'10 245 Marques Bolden, 6'10 240 Harry Giles, 6'10 230 chase Jeter, 6'9 224 Amile Jefferson and 6'9 255 Obi. Jefferson is a 6'9 224 grad student that was a five-star prospect and looks like The Rock compared to Owens. I can't remember a Duke team that didn't have plenty of big men from Brand to Boozer to the 200 Plumlees to Okafor, Ryan Kelly, and Jabari Parker.
Syracuse started 6'4, 6'6, 6'7, 6'8, and 6'9 for their Final Four. Roberson is 226, Lydon is 223, and Coleman is 268.
We have a center that is currently under 200, a 6'7 PF that is just 210, a SF that is 200, and a pair of 6'0 170 pound guards. We need some size.
Other than all of your strong valid counterpoints, Dave seems to make a good point. ???
To state the obvious I think we'd benefit from having a banger / junk yard dog type guy to complement like Marillac said but don't think it has to be a 7' or a guy who weighs 260+.
I fully expect a big through transfer at this point. I trust Matt's track record with transfers. He might be best in the biz at landing 2nd/3rd chance talent.
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No thanks. We need a truck or someone with height...not another 6'6-6'7 tweener that needs to hit the weight room.
Since when is 6'7 not height?
Personally I want skillful athletes. The days of trucks or true big men are gone.
How's Duke doing with Amile Jefferson playing the 5? He makes Owens look beefy.
Cuse made Final Four with Tyler Roberson and Tyler Lydon in front court. Sure they have Coleman but he's awful. I couldn't even tell ya who Okalahoma had in their front court last year. Nova playing with 6'6 Kris Jenkins playing the 4 and sub 200lb Mikal Bridges and former guard Eric Paschall at the 5.
Game is changing and good true bigs are not exactly an available commodity.
I am not talking about a true big. I'm talking about a kid that can keep physical big men honest.
We already have Ahmed, Clark, and Yakwe that are the same height and better than this kid. He is redundant. What we don't have is a big body to complement Owens.
Why in the world would cite to Duke to argue size isn't that important? They have a 7'0 260 foreign kid, 6'10 245 Marques Bolden, 6'10 240 Harry Giles, 6'10 230 chase Jeter, 6'9 224 Amile Jefferson and 6'9 255 Obi. Jefferson is a 6'9 224 grad student that was a five-star prospect and looks like The Rock compared to Owens. I can't remember a Duke team that didn't have plenty of big men from Brand to Boozer to the 200 Plumlees to Okafor, Ryan Kelly, and Jabari Parker.
Syracuse started 6'4, 6'6, 6'7, 6'8, and 6'9 for their Final Four. Roberson is 226, Lydon is 223, and Coleman is 268.
We have a center that is currently under 200, a 6'7 PF that is just 210, a SF that is 200, and a pair of 6'0 170 pound guards. We need some size.
Other than all of your strong valid counterpoints, Dave seems to make a good point. ???
To state the obvious I think we'd benefit from having a banger / junk yard dog type guy to complement like Marillac said but don't think it has to be a 7' or a guy who weighs 260+.
I fully expect a big through transfer at this point. I trust Matt's track record with transfers. He might be best in the biz at landing 2nd/3rd chance talent.
I think that's what all of us see, too. They need tougher interior players. We all know that it's not about height, but rather players who are strong enough to stand their ground inside, box out and rebound. Even yesterday, SH had way too many free baskets only because Ahmed, Yakwe and Alibegivic just don't bother to box out. Against Nova, Xavier and Creighton that kinda stuff kills us. It's what separates us from them.
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Is there a list anywhere of potential grad transfers for next year? Searched all over and can't seem to find anything
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Is there a list anywhere of potential grad transfers for next year? Searched all over and can't seem to find anything
I don't think they're gonna announce they're leaving before the season is over.
As opposed to dudes who would be eligible to transfer I have no idea.
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Is there a list anywhere of potential grad transfers for next year? Searched all over and can't seem to find anything
I don't think they're gonna announce they're leaving before the season is over.
As opposed to dudes who would be eligible to transfer I have no idea.
Yeah basically just looking for guys that are graduating this year but still have a year of eligibility left
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Is there a list anywhere of potential grad transfers for next year? Searched all over and can't seem to find anything
Won't be anything public like that till after the season.
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Agree we don't need any true centers, but we really could use those Boozer or Brand types. Big, thick PF types that play interior ball.
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Agree we don't need any true centers, but we really could use those Boozer or Brand types. Big, thick PF types that play interior ball.
Again where are they? Look up and down class of 2017.
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Agree we don't need any true centers, but we really could use those Boozer or Brand types. Big, thick PF types that play interior ball.
Again where are they? Look up and down class of 2017.
Not saying there are in he 17' class. I'm just saying that people aren't necessarily pining for a "true center" as much as they are an interior player of any type.
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We're talking in very broad and vague terms here. But I generally agree with Dave that true centers are hard to find, and ones you would be willing to give real minutes to are even more rare.
I would like to see better rebounding and interior play both offensively and defensively. But I think we're likely to get that from Owens and Yakwe.
And to me a "banger-type", is a guy who can rebound but is built more for football than basketball. Ie can't hit a foul shot or handle at all. I'm not interested in giving minutes to a guy like that.
We need a backup center. This is true. But our bigs aren't asked to play with their backs to the basket. Lets not lose our increasingly apparent identity by adding a slow footed aircraft carrier.
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True bigs are harder to find and give minutes to now than they were in the past, but there are still out there and the good ones are more skilled and athletic than they were in the past and therefore are huge assets to any team. Interior-only bruising bigs are still playing huge important on really good teams. See Karnowski, Salt, Egbunu, Bam, Landen Lucas, Meeks, Haas, Landale, Ristic, DJ Johnson, John Collins.
All of those guys with the exception of Collins don't venture outside the paint all that often and definitely aren't beating opponents down the floor. That doesn't stop their teams from pushing the pace when they want to. Getting even a poor version of a guy like that is what we so desperately need because we were dominated by other team's bigs in most of our losses
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We're talking in very broad and vague terms here. But I generally agree with Dave that true centers are hard to find, and ones you would be willing to give real minutes to are even more rare.
I would like to see better rebounding and interior play both offensively and defensively. But I think we're likely to get that from Owens and Yakwe.
And to me a "banger-type", is a guy who can rebound but is built more for football than basketball. Ie can't hit a foul shot or handle at all. I'm not interested in giving minutes to a guy like that.
We need a backup center. This is true. But our bigs aren't asked to play with their backs to the basket. Lets not lose our increasingly apparent identity by adding a slow footed aircraft carrier.
Should be noted too that Sima left. Not that he was a world beater but he could play contributing minutes. Having Sima and adding Brown would have been incredible for depth and versatility in year 3 of staff. Even without both I still feel good about front court.