6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: kingofk1ngs on May 26, 2017, 10:06:50 AM
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@Sportando
Federico Mussini on his way back to Reggio Emilia after two seasons with St. John's, per sources
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LOL this program is in constant flux.
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I'm not really a big fan of Mussini and his minutes were likely gonna decline again this year. Don't think it will have much effect on this team.
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This doesn't phase me one bit. Mikey Dixon was the death nail for Moose. Grateful for his timely shooting, but his role was decreasing by the year. He would've been a max 10 minute, 5 ppg contributor this year. Defensive liability averted. Let's get another body in this Summer that will be a better fit for this team next year.
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If we get a big body in here this summer to offset the Muss loss then I'm ok with it.
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Heard staff thought he would leave after this season. Not end of the world, but the roster churn is disappointing. With three natural guards left, I guess they try to bring in somebody. One high ankle sprain or nagging injury for any of three remaining guards could be problematic. Wilson picking up time at the off guard slot IMO would be a stretch. Oh well.
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And there is the 2nd guard to go...
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We can't catch a break. We only have three guards on the roster now and just one "center." Mussini was a very good option of the bench and complemented Simon perfectly.
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This doesn't phase me one bit. Mikey Dixon was the death nail for Moose. Grateful for his timely shooting, but his role was decreasing by the year. He would've been a max 10 minute, 5 ppg contributor this year. Defensive liability averted. Let's get another body in this Summer that will be a better fit for this team next year.
Dixon can't play this year
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This doesn't phase me one bit. Mikey Dixon was the death nail for Moose. Grateful for his timely shooting, but his role was decreasing by the year. He would've been a max 10 minute, 5 ppg contributor this year. Defensive liability averted. Let's get another body in this Summer that will be a better fit for this team next year.
There's always a chance for potential injury, and Mussini actually looked better defensively than Ponds and LoVett.
Dixon won't be in uniform for another season, which would've been Mussini's senior year. It's a loss from a depth standpoint and from a player who gave us decent minutes. It's also not a good look from a continuity standpoint.
We may as well go after the 5th year player who recently pulled out of the NBA Draft (the name slips me now).
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This doesn't phase me one bit. Mikey Dixon was the death nail for Moose. Grateful for his timely shooting, but his role was decreasing by the year. He would've been a max 10 minute, 5 ppg contributor this year. Defensive liability averted. Let's get another body in this Summer that will be a better fit for this team next year.
There's always a chance for potential injury, and Mussini actually looked better defensively than Ponds and LoVett.
Dixon won't be in uniform for another season, which would've been Mussini's senior year. It's a loss from a depth standpoint and from a player who gave us decent minutes. It's also not a good look from a continuity standpoint.
We may as well go after the 5th year player who recently pulled out of the NBA Draft (the name slips me now).
+1
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This doesn't phase me one bit. Mikey Dixon was the death nail for Moose. Grateful for his timely shooting, but his role was decreasing by the year. He would've been a max 10 minute, 5 ppg contributor this year. Defensive liability averted. Let's get another body in this Summer that will be a better fit for this team next year.
There's always a chance for potential injury, and Mussini actually looked better defensively than Ponds and LoVett.
Dixon won't be in uniform for another season, which would've been Mussini's senior year. It's a loss from a depth standpoint and from a player who gave us decent minutes. It's also not a good look from a continuity standpoint.
We may as well go after the 5th year player who recently pulled out of the NBA Draft (the name slips me now).
I hope we land a 5th year guy too. We need the maturity in tight spots.
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Definitely a negative. Mussini could heat up and score point in bunches. He was definitely going to get decent minutes this year as a reserve. Depth is an issue.
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Per Zach Braziller Mussini will be back next season
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Too Bad. He would have played at least 15M this year and his points off the bench would have been significant.(I haven't computed it but I believe he had the highest points per minute on the team) The loss of Ellison, at first not troubling, is now significant. Hope a 5th year fill in can be found as we await Dixon who, to me, is a question mark coming from a weak league.
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Zach BrazillerVerified account @NYPost_Brazille 4m4 minutes ago
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Federico Mussini was offered a pro contract in Italy, but source says not true he accepted it. Still planning to return to St John's #sjubb
WOW
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Heard staff thought he would leave after this season. Not end of the world, but the roster churn is disappointing. With three natural guards left, I guess they try to bring in somebody. One high ankle sprain or nagging injury for any of three remaining guards could be problematic. Wilson picking up time at the off guard slot IMO would be a stretch. Oh well.
Don't need Wilson to play guard. What it means is we will see less of Simon at the 3 and the 1 and 2 positions will be played by Ponds, Lovett and Simon and the 3 by Bash and Wilson. Not really a big problem, except as you mentioned in the case of an injury. I liked Mussuni , he provided depth and offense. Hopefully he ll decide to return.
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Follow up from Zach - "Was told Federico Mussini is "evaluating" his options. But by no means has he decided to go back to Italy. Plan remains to return.
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Fake news
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Follow up from Zach - "Was told Federico Mussini is "evaluating" his options. But by no means has he decided to go back to Italy. Plan remains to return.
Hopefully he returns. He has 20 minutes waiting for him and will space out the floor and take pressure off our other scorers. His defense was much improved last year as well. He can play in Italy for another 15 years with his citizenship.
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Where there's smoke...
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Fake news
Is the fake news thats he is leaving or he plans to return ?
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This would suck if true. He's a perfect bench player/sharpshooter.
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Would be our biggest loss to date. Come on back feddy
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Holifield to the rescue
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Holifield to the rescue
"David Lipscomb Syndrome." Stay Federico!
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No news outlets running any stories on this here in Italy 😂
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Apparently he won't decide until this summer after conferring with Mullin.
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So we're in a holding pattern until then? Summer Session I runs 5/30-6/29, you figure he's not registered for that. If CM is the deciding factor, retaining him should be the goal if they're not going to pick anyone up in the interim. Having this potential void without resolution for over a month is unreasonable.
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I sense staff feels he will return fwiw.
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I sense staff feels he will return fwiw.
Thanks Paultz.
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Given how much the kid likes St Johns and NYC, my hunch is he stays and turns pro after next season. Everyone wins.
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So we're in a holding pattern until then? Summer Session I runs 5/30-6/29, you figure he's not registered for that. If CM is the deciding factor, retaining him should be the goal if they're not going to pick anyone up in the interim. Having this potential void without resolution for over a month is unreasonable.
Why do you figure he's not? Just wondering
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So we're in a holding pattern until then? Summer Session I runs 5/30-6/29, you figure he's not registered for that. If CM is the deciding factor, retaining him should be the goal if they're not going to pick anyone up in the interim. Having this potential void without resolution for over a month is unreasonable.
Players come back in July. Likely Shamorie and Sid are only ones on campus.
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And there is the 2nd guard to go...
Uncanny Nostradumbass. What's the early double at Belmont tomorrow.
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I think he will be enjoying NY style Italian food for 1 more season.
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I think he will be enjoying NY style Italian food for 1 more season.
18 becomes more important by the day
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Only Yakwe would remain, and would he jump ship next?
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Freudenberg couldn't get minutes over Alibegovic, and he returned to Germany to be a pro. Now Mussini could leave to play pro ball in Italy, but he couldn't guard a lamp post. It doesn't say very much for these "pro" leagues if their talent pool is below a low level D1 program.
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And there is the 2nd guard to go...
Uncanny Nostradumbass. What's the early double at Belmont tomorrow.
Ouch...and Ha!
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And there is the 2nd guard to go...
Uncanny Nostradumbass. What's the early double at Belmont tomorrow.
Ouch...and Ha!
I like those 2 horses also
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So we're in a holding pattern until then? Summer Session I runs 5/30-6/29, you figure he's not registered for that. If CM is the deciding factor, retaining him should be the goal if they're not going to pick anyone up in the interim. Having this potential void without resolution for over a month is unreasonable.
Players come back in July. Likely Shamorie and Sid are only ones on campus.
Im sure there will be more. Yakwe, bash, dixon, muss for sure.
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If I'm reading his IG correctly it looks like he's on his way back to NYC.
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Paultz or Dave is Mussini gone for good or is the door still open?
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Paultz or Dave is Mussini gone for good or is the door still open?
He's flying in to nyc and summer school starts tomorrow..
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Paultz or Dave is Mussini gone for good or is the door still open?
He's flying in to nyc and summer school starts tomorrow..
Billy Fuccillo YUUUUGE.
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Paultz or Dave is Mussini gone for good or is the door still open?
He's flying in to nyc and summer school starts tomorrow..
Billy Fuccillo YUUUUGE.
Pretty sure there is an /a/ at the end of that. YUUUUUUUGA
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Paultz or Dave is Mussini gone for good or is the door still open?
He's flying in to nyc and summer school starts tomorrow..
Billy Fuccillo YUUUUGE.
Pretty sure there is an /a/ at the end of that. YUUUUUUUGA
I'll defer to the upstater on this one :) If rankings were based on the quality of a team's fourth guard, we are easily top 5 in the conference. Thrilled to have this kid back. He and Simon complement each other like wings and blue cheese.
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Paultz or Dave is Mussini gone for good or is the door still open?
As far as I know he's in route to JFK.
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Paultz or Dave is Mussini gone for good or is the door still open?
As far as I know he's in route to JFK.
To or from!? Won't somebody think of the children!?
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Listen the team is def better if he stays but way too much hand wringing over 9th man.
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Listen the team is def better if he stays but way too much hand wringing over 9th man.
Best shooter on team. Improving defender. Upperclassmen. Guard. Im not sure if your boy Larry did anything better than Mussini aside for being bigger than him. And I was a big Larry Wright fan.
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Listen the team is def better if he stays but way too much hand wringing over 9th man.
Best shooter on team. Improving defender. Upperclassmen. Guard. Im not sure if your boy Larry did anything better than Mussini aside for being bigger than him. And I was a big Larry Wright fan.
Shot a real jump shot. Did everything better, probably spoke Italian better. Was coached by a buffoon!
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Listen the team is def better if he stays but way too much hand wringing over 9th man.
Best shooter on team. Improving defender. Upperclassmen. Guard. Im not sure if your boy Larry did anything better than Mussini aside for being bigger than him. And I was a big Larry Wright fan.
Shot a real jump shot. Did everything better, probably spoke Italian better. Was coached by a buffoon!
Didn't know you were on staff during the Larry Wright era.
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Listen the team is def better if he stays but way too much hand wringing over 9th man.
Best shooter on team. Improving defender. Upperclassmen. Guard. Im not sure if your boy Larry did anything better than Mussini aside for being bigger than him. And I was a big Larry Wright fan.
Shot a real jump shot. Did everything better, probably spoke Italian better. Was coached by a buffoon!
Didn't know you were on staff during the Larry Wright era.
And I didn't know they allowed electroconvulsive therapy patients to use a computer. See who said fan forums aren't educational.
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Agree with "AMase". Mussini is much improved. He is the best outside shooter on the team, and has improved his defense greatly. If Mussini were to leave he would be missed more than Ellison, Sima, Freudenberg or Williams next year.
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Listen the team is def better if he stays but way too much hand wringing over 9th man.
Best shooter on team. Improving defender. Upperclassmen. Guard. Im not sure if your boy Larry did anything better than Mussini aside for being bigger than him. And I was a big Larry Wright fan.
Shot a real jump shot. Did everything better, probably spoke Italian better. Was coached by a buffoon!
Didn't know you were on staff during the Larry Wright era.
And I didn't know they allowed electroconvulsive therapy patients to use a computer. See who said fan forums aren't educational.
Yeah, they do. I'm doing much better now, in fact they "think" they have cured me of my homicidal tendencies. Hope to see you at the next home game. :crazy2:
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Agree with "AMase". Mussini is much improved. He is the best outside shooter on the team, and has improved his defense greatly. If Mussini were to leave he would be missed more than Ellison, Sima, Freudenberg or Williams next year.
maybe, shamorie shot 37% on 6 attempts per game as a true freshman, also did that on legs that played over 30 mins/game. ponds is the real deal, definitely in the conversation as best outside shooter. lovett shot well from deep too, and it was his rs freshman year. I like mussini's outside shooting, but all three can light it up, and good argument that ponds is the better outside shooter.
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I love Ponds and Lovett. My point wasn't to compare Mussini outside shooting to theirs. It was to refute those who continue to dismiss his contributions to the team.
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and good argument that ponds is the better outside shooter.
Ponds - 38%
Fellini - 43%
Not that good an argument.
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and good argument that ponds is the better outside shooter.
Ponds - 38%
Fellini - 43%
Not that good an argument.
According to ESPN Ponds shot 37.5 percent from three as a freshman playing 34 minutes a game. Missini shot 42.7 percent from three as a sophomore in almost half as many minutes a game, 19, and on 70 fewer attempts. Nearly all of Mussini's threes came on plays where he stood in the corner with his feet squared waiting for someone to throw him the ball. Nearly none of Ponds threes came under those circumstances and in fact the opposite: most came as a result of his creating his own shot, often late in the shot clock. In light of which your belief that a difference of five made threes out of a hundred is proof of anything means we can add shooting and statistics to the long list of things you know little about.
Seriously, you should stick to making up cryptic nick names for the players. It's not clever or interesting, but it could be your shtick. Think of yourself as Gallagher and the players as watermelons you smash with your leaden sledgehammer wit, spraying the crowd with stinky goo pink.
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Yeah not fair to compare Ponds and Mussinis 3pt percentages from last year. For reasons Foad mentioned above. A fairer comparison would be to compare Mussinis freshman shooting percentages, where he was forced to take bad shots and handle the ball.
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Foad you are an idiot, and an obnoxious one at that. No one was comparing Ponds overall game to Mussini's overall game. Should Mussini leave there is no one to replace his stand still 42% shooting from the corner, and even a lightweight basketball expert like you should understand that. Plus your watermelon diatribe is just plain childish and nonsensical.
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Getting after it early today boys. I like it
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and good argument that ponds is the better outside shooter.
Ponds - 38%
Fellini - 43%
Not that good an argument.
Stats lie. Ponds made shots that kept us in and helped us win games. How many of Mussini's three pointers were made in garbage time compared to how many bricks he threw up when it mattered?
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I remember Mussini shooting plenty of 3s that weren't of the wide opener-set your feet variety.
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Getting after it early today boys. I like it
Hahahah classic
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Foad you are an idiot, and an obnoxious one at that. No one was comparing Ponds overall game to Mussini's overall game. Should Mussini leave there is no one to replace his stand still 42% shooting from the corner, and even a lightweight basketball expert like you should understand that. Plus your watermelon diatribe is just plain childish and nonsensical.
Carmine pretty clearly made the argument that mussini is the better 3 point shooter and used percentage as his evidence. Foad tore him a new one providing much needed context for those percentages. Stats do lie. Always have to look at context.
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Mussini would have had a clearly defined role here next season and would have been in the rotation. With that being said I like having my best players on the floor as much as possible and I want Ponds, Lovett and Simon on the floor most of the game. Most good teams only play 8 or 9 guys.
Owens, Ahmed, Clark, Simon, Ponds, Lovett, Yawke and Wilson make 8 so not the end of the world. While you can certainly can say Mussini is way more productive than Yakwe, because he is a big he was going to play more than Mussini who was basically going to be our 9th man.
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I remember Mussini shooting plenty of 3s that weren't of the wide opener-set your feet variety.
100%. We got Mussini open looks and Ponds usually had to make his own open looks. I would say they are very similar overall as shooters in a vacuum.
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Pretty sure he will still have that defined role here next season.
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and good argument that ponds is the better outside shooter.
Ponds - 38%
Fellini - 43%
Not that good an argument.
A lot more to it than this. Look at minutes played, attempts, role, etc. Another thing to consider is that Ponds is the more dangerous ball handler and that will buy him more space to shoot than Mussini. Also, Ponds has the luxury of picking his shots better than Mussini, who both teams expect to start shooting from the moment he enters the game.
I don't think Mussini's freshman #s are a fair comp to Ponds' freshman #s since he didn't have Lovett setting him up or a shooter of his quality to space the floor next to him. He also was on the ball and the only capable ball handler. Overall, I give the slight edge to Mussini and believe he is the best pure shooter in the Big East.
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Foad you are an idiot, and an obnoxious one at that.
You had me at hello.
No one was comparing Ponds overall game to Mussini's overall game. Should Mussini leave there is no one to replace his stand still 42% shooting from the corner, and even a lightweight basketball expert like you should understand that.
Right, no one was comparing Ponds overall game to Missini's, including me. Because there is no comparison. Pond is one of the better freshman SJU has ever had, whereas Missini is over rated because he's white. Personally I'm happy that Missini is returning, despite the fact that he's not a very good basketball player. I agree with you that should he leave there would be a dearth of fourth guards who are capable of playing 15 minutes a game and shooting 40 percent from the floor, especially since Ellison transferred.
Plus your watermelon diatribe is just plain childish and nonsensical.
Did you know that there were two Gallaghers? The original Leo had a twin brother Ron who stole his act and whom Leo eventually sued. What's nonsensical is that Gallagher I was voted the 100th greatest comedian of all time, whereas Gallagher II who also smashed watermelons didn't receive a vote. I've always thought it should have been a tie.
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Mussini would have had a clearly defined role here next season and would have been in the rotation. With that being said I like having my best players on the floor as much as possible and I want Ponds, Lovett and Simon on the floor most of the game. Most good teams only play 8 or 9 guys.
Owens, Ahmed, Clark, Simon, Ponds, Lovett, Yawke and Wilson make 8 so not the end of the world. While you can certainly can say Mussini is way more productive than Yakwe, because he is a big he was going to play more than Mussini who was basically going to be our 9th man.
Did I miss something or is him not coming back your next stone cold guarantee?
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Overall, I give the slight edge to Mussini and believe he is the best pure shooter in the Big East.
As a freshman Marcus Howard shot 55 percent from three on 20 more attempts than Missini took as a sophomore.
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Don't really care who is the better shooter, apples and oranges. Mussini is a great roleplayer, plays OK D and spots up tp take the pressure off the other guards.....opponents have to respect his shot which opens up opportunities for Lovett and Ponds......he is the best player on the team moving off the ball which is key to getting his shot. I like him for 15-20 minutes.
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Mussini would have had a clearly defined role here next season and would have been in the rotation. With that being said I like having my best players on the floor as much as possible and I want Ponds, Lovett and Simon on the floor most of the game. Most good teams only play 8 or 9 guys.
Owens, Ahmed, Clark, Simon, Ponds, Lovett, Yawke and Wilson make 8 so not the end of the world. While you can certainly can say Mussini is way more productive than Yakwe, because he is a big he was going to play more than Mussini who was basically going to be our 9th man.
Did I miss something or is him not coming back your next stone cold guarantee?
Nope just stating like with everything Mussini there is more being made over nothing than perhaps any player that has ever been here.
15 mins off the bench to shoot some threes. If he stays great if he goes he goes.
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Overall, I give the slight edge to Mussini and believe he is the best pure shooter in the Big East.
As a freshman Marcus Howard shot 55 percent from three on 20 more attempts than Missini took as a sophomore.
He had a great year, but I don't think we'll see anywhere near those #s from him again. He is going to be a focus for defenses next year. I wouldn't argue anyone placing him over Mussini...I got him #2.
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Overall, I give the slight edge to Mussini and believe he is the best pure shooter in the Big East.
As a freshman Marcus Howard shot 55 percent from three on 20 more attempts than Missini took as a sophomore.
He had a great year, but I don't think we'll see anywhere near those #s from him again. He is going to be a focus for defenses next year. I wouldn't argue anyone placing him over Mussini...I got him #2.
What do you think Mussini would shoot if he was the focus of the defense?
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Overall, I give the slight edge to Mussini and believe he is the best pure shooter in the Big East.
As a freshman Marcus Howard shot 55 percent from three on 20 more attempts than Missini took as a sophomore.
He had a great year, but I don't think we'll see anywhere near those #s from him again. He is going to be a focus for defenses next year. I wouldn't argue anyone placing him over Mussini...I got him #2.
What do you think Mussini would shoot if he was the focus of the defense?
Howard has more tools and was surrounded by shooters. Mussini is constantly pointed at and labeled "shooter" wherever he goes. Easy to do when you only play 18 mpg. I'm just talking pure shooting. If I was coaching against St. John's last year, I'd make sure my guys knew Mussini would put up a three within two minutes of entering the game and to make him beat
you off the dribble. Howard isn't as easy to defend with Rowsey, Reinhardt, Cheatham, Johnson, et al. and he plays more minutes so his shots aren't as obvious.
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Overall, I give the slight edge to Mussini and believe he is the best pure shooter in the Big East.
As a freshman Marcus Howard shot 55 percent from three on 20 more attempts than Missini took as a sophomore.
He had a great year, but I don't think we'll see anywhere near those #s from him again. He is going to be a focus for defenses next year. I wouldn't argue anyone placing him over Mussini...I got him #2.
What do you think Mussini would shoot if he was the focus of the defense?
We saw that his freshman year and it wasn't pretty often. He is a roleplayer who is best when he isn't the focal point/quote]
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Overall, I give the slight edge to Mussini and believe he is the best pure shooter in the Big East.
As a freshman Marcus Howard shot 55 percent from three on 20 more attempts than Missini took as a sophomore.
He had a great year, but I don't think we'll see anywhere near those #s from him again. He is going to be a focus for defenses next year. I wouldn't argue anyone placing him over Mussini...I got him #2.
What do you think Mussini would shoot if he was the focus of the defense?
We saw that his freshman year and it wasn't pretty often. He is a roleplayer who is best when he isn't the focal point/quote]
What we saw his freshman year was a kid playing out of position with nothing around him. Probably a very different story if you gave him Lovett/Ponds/Bash or Rowsey/Reinhardt/Johnson. We were REALLY bad two years ago.
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and good argument that ponds is the better outside shooter.
Ponds - 38%
Fellini - 43%
Not that good an argument.
According to ESPN Ponds shot 37.5 percent from three as a freshman playing 34 minutes a game. Missini shot 42.7 percent from three as a sophomore in almost half as many minutes a game, 19, and on 70 fewer attempts. Nearly all of Mussini's threes came on plays where he stood in the corner with his feet squared waiting for someone to throw him the ball. Nearly none of Ponds threes came under those circumstances and in fact the opposite: most came as a result of his creating his own shot, often late in the shot clock. In light of which your belief that a difference of five made threes out of a hundred is proof of anything means we can add shooting and statistics to the long list of things you know little about.
Seriously, you should stick to making up cryptic nick names for the players. It's not clever or interesting, but it could be your shtick. Think of yourself as Gallagher and the players as watermelons you smash with your leaden sledgehammer wit, spraying the crowd with stinky goo pink.
Why are you trying to hurt my delicate feelings?
5.2% is 5.2%. I didn't claim anything about who creates his own shot, who sets up whom and when they get their shots off in the shot clock.
It's fundamental statistical analysis 101 to hypothesize that the guy who does something at a better clip is better at doing said something. It's not reinventing the wheel.
It's simple really. Just like stating the obvious that your muse the Rectangle was a better three point shooter as an upper classman than all-time Johnny 3-pt great 3'lo. Basing this factual statement on shooting percentages of course.
P.S.
I can hardly wait to start referring to the new kid as "Vicious".
Thats gold, Doc! Gold!
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It's fundamental statistical analysis 101 to hypothesize that the guy who does something at a better clip is better at doing said something. It's not reinventing the wheel.
It's simple really.
John Paciorek had a lifetime major league batting average of 1.000. Ted Williams had a lifetime batting average of .344. Therefore John Paciorek was better at hitting baseballs than Ted Williams. It's simple really, if you're a simpleton.
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Only a simpleton would not consider the sample size.
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It's fundamental statistical analysis 101 to hypothesize that the guy who does something at a better clip is better at doing said something. It's not reinventing the wheel.
It's simple really.
John Paciorek had a lifetime major league batting average of 1.000. Ted Williams had a lifetime batting average of .344. Therefore John Paciorek was better at hitting baseballs than Ted Williams. It's simple really, if you're a simpleton.
Is JP in the HOF? If not he should be. My favorite fiction novel was one I read as a young kid titled The Kid Who Batted 1.000. In this story the kid walked every time up all season long until the last at bat of the season when he hit a home run. Come to think of it he belongs in the HOF also.
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Mussini vs Hooper. Compare apples to apples.
Comparing him to Shamorie Ponds, one of the best freshman this program has ever had is insane. There is nothing Mussini does better than Ponds, except complain.
Want to compare Ponds to another Johnny past or present? Good luck. I can't think of any freshman combo guard that was as good as him. Maybe Erick Barkley, and Ponds is more well rounded.
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There is nothing Mussini does better than Ponds, except complain.
Probably he makes better gravy.
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Dixon 45&37 + 86 from the free throw line. If Mussini goes, which I hope he doesn't we do have a replacement down the line.
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Dixon 45&37 + 86 from the free throw line. If Mussini goes, which I hope he doesn't we do have a replacement down the line.
Imagine he is already envisioned as the replacement for LoVett.
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Dixon 45&37 + 86 from the free throw line. If Mussini goes, which I hope he doesn't we do have a replacement down the line.
That's in the MAAC. Mussini would have better numbers in a shit league. Dixon is a wild card. He could be Mo Watson. He could be Alpha Bangura.
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Dixon 45&37 + 86 from the free throw line. If Mussini goes, which I hope he doesn't we do have a replacement down the line.
That's in the MAAC. Mussini would have better numbers in a shit league. Dixon is a wild card. He could be Mo Watson. He could be Alpha Bangura.
Mussini likely would have gotten focus as a primary scorer in the MAAC so hard to say if percentages would be better or worse or similar. Scoring averages would be up for sure, but percentages, I don't know.
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Dixon 45&37 + 86 from the free throw line. If Mussini goes, which I hope he doesn't we do have a replacement down the line.
That's in the MAAC. Mussini would have better numbers in a shit league. Dixon is a wild card. He could be Mo Watson. He could be Alpha Bangura.
Mussini likely would have gotten focus as a primary scorer in the MAAC so hard to say if percentages would be better or worse or similar. Scoring averages would be up for sure, but percentages, I don't know.
I could see Mussini putting up 12 a game in the MAAC. I can also see other guards dropping 30+ on him. At this point, the staff is going to pretty silly if their entire class just quits. Then again, if they make the tournament no one will bat an eye.
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Mussini vs Hooper. Compare apples to apples.
Comparing him to Shamorie Ponds, one of the best freshman this program has ever had is insane. There is nothing Mussini does better than Ponds, except complain.
Want to compare Ponds to another Johnny past or present? Good luck. I can't think of any freshman combo guard that was as good as him. Maybe Erick Barkley, and Ponds is more well rounded.
I'm the biggest Ponds fan here and your post is silly. Nobody thinks Mussini is half the player Ponds is, but they are very close as pure shooters whatever order you put them. I think they are both top five in the conference.
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Mussini vs Hooper. Compare apples to apples.
Comparing him to Shamorie Ponds, one of the best freshman this program has ever had is insane. There is nothing Mussini does better than Ponds, except complain.
Want to compare Ponds to another Johnny past or present? Good luck. I can't think of any freshman combo guard that was as good as him. Maybe Erick Barkley, and Ponds is more well rounded.
I'm the biggest Ponds fan here and your post is silly. Nobody thinks Mussini is half the player Ponds is, but they are very close as pure shooters whatever order you put them. I think they are both top five in the conference.
If you've watched most of our games, and I imagine you have, you should know that Mussini hits his threes when we are up by 20, or down by 20. He has no position at this level other than as a spot up shooter who must rely on his teammates doing the work to get him open. Mussini is like Hooper. He's a "pure shooter" in an empty gym. What good is great form if you can't move your feet?
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Mussini vs Hooper. Compare apples to apples.
Comparing him to Shamorie Ponds, one of the best freshman this program has ever had is insane. There is nothing Mussini does better than Ponds, except complain.
Want to compare Ponds to another Johnny past or present? Good luck. I can't think of any freshman combo guard that was as good as him. Maybe Erick Barkley, and Ponds is more well rounded.
I'm the biggest Ponds fan here and your post is silly. Nobody thinks Mussini is half the player Ponds is, but they are very close as pure shooters whatever order you put them. I think they are both top five in the conference.
If you've watched most of our games, and I imagine you have, you should know that Mussini hits his threes when we are up by 20, or down by 20. He has no position at this level other than as a spot up shooter who must rely on his teammates doing the work to get him open. Mussini is like Hooper. He's a "pure shooter" in an empty gym. What good is great form if you can't move your feet?
How many times were we up 20? You reduce things way too far. It's not that simple.
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It's fundamental statistical analysis 101 to hypothesize that the guy who does something at a better clip is better at doing said something. It's not reinventing the wheel.
It's simple really.
John Paciorek had a lifetime major league batting average of 1.000. Ted Williams had a lifetime batting average of .344. Therefore John Paciorek was better at hitting baseballs than Ted Williams. It's simple really, if you're a simpleton.
Ponds had 75 made three's.
Fellini had 56 made three's.
Ted Williams had I would assume several thousand at bats.
John Paciorek had I would assume a handful or less at bats.
Other than that you make a good point. Not!
This is too easy.
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Comparing him to Shamorie Ponds, one of the best freshman this program has ever had is insane. There is nothing Mussini does better than Ponds, except complain.
Not so. There are two things, that I know of at least, that he does better than Ponds. Shoot three pointers, and free throws while we're at it.
As far as I know, nobody here is dumb enough to suggest that Fellini is better than Ponds. Present company included. However, it appears that there are things he does better than the entire team, Ponds included.
The 42.7% he put up last season is rarified air for a Johnny gunner probably not matched since Wasju's boy friend Larry "Michigan" Wright went for 43.1% as a freshmen. Albeit from a significantly smaller sample size.
My personal fav's from last years model were Mussini and Marcus. With Tariq coming in a deserving third for hustle alone.
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Mussini vs Hooper. Compare apples to apples.
Comparing him to Shamorie Ponds, one of the best freshman this program has ever had is insane. There is nothing Mussini does better than Ponds, except complain.
Want to compare Ponds to another Johnny past or present? Good luck. I can't think of any freshman combo guard that was as good as him. Maybe Erick Barkley, and Ponds is more well rounded.
I'm the biggest Ponds fan here and your post is silly. Nobody thinks Mussini is half the player Ponds is, but they are very close as pure shooters whatever order you put them. I think they are both top five in the conference.
If you've watched most of our games, and I imagine you have, you should know that Mussini hits his threes when we are up by 20, or down by 20. He has no position at this level other than as a spot up shooter who must rely on his teammates doing the work to get him open. Mussini is like Hooper. He's a "pure shooter" in an empty gym. What good is great form if you can't move your feet?
How many times were we up 20? You reduce things way too far. It's not that simple.
Show me close games where he wasn't a liability. How many were there? Maybe 2. Probably less.
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Comparing him to Shamorie Ponds, one of the best freshman this program has ever had is insane. There is nothing Mussini does better than Ponds, except complain.
Not so. There are two things, that I know of at least, that he does better than Ponds. Shoot three pointers, and free throws while we're at it.
As far as I know, nobody here is dumb enough to suggest that Fellini is better than Ponds. Present company included. However, it appears that there are things he does better than the entire team, Ponds included.
The 42.7% he put up last season is rarified air for a Johnny gunner probably not matched since Wasju's boy friend Larry "Michigan" Wright went for 43.1% as a freshmen. Albeit from a significantly smaller sample size.
My personal fav's from last years model were Mussini and Marcus. With Tariq coming in a deserving third for hustle alone.
Let me get this straight, your favorites from last year's team were three players and none of them are the best guard we've ever had?
Larry Wright is a good comparison for Mussini. Wright was a little better, but both are slow, weak and both were more of a hindrance than a help.
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It's fundamental statistical analysis 101 to hypothesize that the guy who does something at a better clip is better at doing said something. It's not reinventing the wheel.
It's simple really.
John Paciorek had a lifetime major league batting average of 1.000. Ted Williams had a lifetime batting average of .344. Therefore John Paciorek was better at hitting baseballs than Ted Williams. It's simple really, if you're a simpleton.
Ponds had 75 made three's.
Fellini had 56 made three's.
Ted Williams had I would assume several thousand at bats.
John Paciorek had I would assume a handful or less at bats.
Other than that you make a good point. Not!
This is too easy.
So context matters?
It seems that once again you've out stupided yourself. Thanks for playing.
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Let me get this straight, your favorites from last year's team were three players and none of them are the best guard we've ever had?
Maybe. I thought that Love it was at least tied for our best guard last year.
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It's fundamental statistical analysis 101 to hypothesize that the guy who does something at a better clip is better at doing said something. It's not reinventing the wheel.
It's simple really.
John Paciorek had a lifetime major league batting average of 1.000. Ted Williams had a lifetime batting average of .344. Therefore John Paciorek was better at hitting baseballs than Ted Williams. It's simple really, if you're a simpleton.
Ponds had 75 made three's.
Fellini had 56 made three's.
Ted Williams had I would assume several thousand at bats.
John Paciorek had I would assume a handful or less at bats.
Other than that you make a good point. Not!
This is too easy.
So context matters?
It seems that once again you've out stupided yourself. Thanks for playing.
No. I've out stupided you. What? Ok now I've out stupided myself.
Yes, context matters. The context is that Fellini hit three's in the 16/17 season at a better rate than Ducks on the did from a relatively similiar sample size.
Meanwhile, the Splendid splinter had 2654 hits and John Paciorek had 3.
So you have made a clever, relevant comparison. Not!
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When arguing with an idiot, once you have won the argument it is better to stay silent.
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It's fundamental statistical analysis 101 to hypothesize that the guy who does something at a better clip is better at doing said something. It's not reinventing the wheel.
It's simple really.
John Paciorek had a lifetime major league batting average of 1.000. Ted Williams had a lifetime batting average of .344. Therefore John Paciorek was better at hitting baseballs than Ted Williams. It's simple really, if you're a simpleton.
Ponds had 75 made three's.
Fellini had 56 made three's.
Ted Williams had I would assume several thousand at bats.
John Paciorek had I would assume a handful or less at bats.
Other than that you make a good point. Not!
This is too easy.
So context matters?
It seems that once again you've out stupided yourself. Thanks for playing.
No. I've out stupided you. What? Ok now I've out stupided myself.
Yes, context matters. The context is that Fellini hit three's in the 16/17 season at a better rate than Ducks on the did from a relatively similiar sample size.
Meanwhile, the Splendid splinter had 2654 hits and John Paciorek had 3.
So you have made a clever, relevant comparison. Not!
Our story so far:
ApesNGrapes: a good argument can be made that ponds is the better outside shooter than Missini
Carmine: Ponds - 38%, Fellini - 43%. Not that good an argument.
Foad: Context matters when considering statistics.
Carmine: Context doesn't matter, 5.2% is 5.2%.
Foad: if context doesn't matter, John Paciorek was a better hitter than Ted Williams
Carmine: Ted Williams was better than John Paciorek, therefore context matters.
Foad: whatamaroon.
Carmine: I find being stupid easy. Therefore I win.
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Can we get some resolution on Moose's status for crying out loud? He's on campus, likely attending Summer Session I. Someone put something in writing so we can finally relax on a set roster through the Summer.
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This thread has become ridiculous. We spent 6 years bitching about a coach who couldn't see what was right in front of his eyes. Mussini is a one dimensional player. He's no different than a kid on a D3 team who shoots over 45% from 3, and 90 from the line.
If the argument is that in an empty gym, Mussini is the best pure shooter on the team, ok fine.
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Can we get some resolution on Moose's status for crying out loud? He's on campus, likely attending Summer Session I. Someone put something in writing so we can finally relax on a set roster through the Summer.
As a SJU fan you can never relax
And for the record I'm in NY but not on campus and have no plans to go there anytime soon.
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Mussini I think in top 10 of amount posts about a player since I have been on these sites.
In no particular order:
Geno- For being slow, awful to watch and the face of the Norm Roberts era.
Harrison-For being a best player and for somehow annoying a bunch of middle aged white guys with facial expressions, tats and frohawks.?
Jordan-Seemed like he was rumored to be leaving from the minute he showed up.
Burrell-Started and ended his career nicely. In between was disappointing.
Mason-Best player on terrible teams. Ball hog always hurt.
Phil Greene-Dribbled around aimlessly while miscast as a point guard. Would have 3 terrible games followed by great game. Carmine hyperbole added to animosity.
Lovett-Criticized very unfairly and also had Jordan will he or won't he drama from the day he showed up.
Mussini-Little white guy. ST john's fans seem to love little white guys?
Off top of my head can't think of two other players that come close to the above 8.
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Putting it in perspective , no one is saying Mussini is a world beater. But, next year he will be stronger and more experienced. He is a nice player coming off the bench. He provides depth and his stats where not against div 3 opponents , but against mostly BE defenses.
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Can we get some resolution on Moose's status for crying out loud? He's on campus, likely attending Summer Session I. Someone put something in writing so we can finally relax on a set roster through the Summer.
As a SJU fan you can never relax
And for the record I'm in NY but not on campus and have no plans to go there anytime soon.
Lmmmaaaaooooo facts Moose facts!
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Mussini I think in top 10 of amount posts about a player since I have been on these sites.
In no particular order:
Geno- For being slow, awful to watch and the face of the Norm Roberts era.
Harrison-For being a best player and for somehow annoying a bunch of middle aged white guys with facial expressions, tats and frohawks.?
Jordan-Seemed like he was rumored to be leaving from the minute he showed up.
Burrell-Started and ended his career nicely. In between was disappointing.
Mason-Best player on terrible teams. Ball hog always hurt.
Phil Greene-Dribbled around aimlessly while miscast as a point guard. Would have 3 terrible games followed by great game. Carmine hyperbole added to animosity.
Lovett-Criticized very unfairly and also had Jordan will he or won't he drama from the day he showed up.
Mussini-Little white guy. ST john's fans seem to love little white guys?
Off top of my head can't think of two other players that come close to the above 8.
Kyle Anderson and he didn't even play for us.
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Mussini I think in top 10 of amount posts about a player since I have been on these sites.
In no particular order:
Geno- For being slow, awful to watch and the face of the Norm Roberts era.
Harrison-For being a best player and for somehow annoying a bunch of middle aged white guys with facial expressions, tats and frohawks.?
Jordan-Seemed like he was rumored to be leaving from the minute he showed up.
Burrell-Started and ended his career nicely. In between was disappointing.
Mason-Best player on terrible teams. Ball hog always hurt.
Phil Greene-Dribbled around aimlessly while miscast as a point guard. Would have 3 terrible games followed by great game. Carmine hyperbole added to animosity.
Lovett-Criticized very unfairly and also had Jordan will he or won't he drama from the day he showed up.
Mussini-Little white guy. ST john's fans seem to love little white guys?
Off top of my head can't think of two other players that come close to the above 8.
Kyle Anderson and he didn't even play for us.
You could also add bunch of the recruits that Norm lost out on here particularly Lance, Syl and the Mystery Recruit.
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It's fundamental statistical analysis 101 to hypothesize that the guy who does something at a better clip is better at doing said something. It's not reinventing the wheel.
It's simple really.
John Paciorek had a lifetime major league batting average of 1.000. Ted Williams had a lifetime batting average of .344. Therefore John Paciorek was better at hitting baseballs than Ted Williams. It's simple really, if you're a simpleton.
Ponds had 75 made three's.
Fellini had 56 made three's.
Ted Williams had I would assume several thousand at bats.
John Paciorek had I would assume a handful or less at bats.
Other than that you make a good point. Not!
This is too easy.
So context matters?
It seems that once again you've out stupided yourself. Thanks for playing.
No. I've out stupided you. What? Ok now I've out stupided myself.
Yes, context matters. The context is that Fellini hit three's in the 16/17 season at a better rate than Ducks on the did from a relatively similiar sample size.
Meanwhile, the Splendid splinter had 2654 hits and John Paciorek had 3.
So you have made a clever, relevant comparison. Not!
Our story so far:
ApesNGrapes: a good argument can be made that ponds is the better outside shooter than Missini
Carmine: Ponds - 38%, Fellini - 43%. Not that good an argument.
Foad: Context matters when considering statistics.
Carmine: Context doesn't matter, 5.2% is 5.2%.
Foad: if context doesn't matter, John Paciorek was a better hitter than Ted Williams
Carmine: Ted Williams was better than John Paciorek, therefore context matters.
Foad: whatamaroon.
Carmine: I find being stupid easy. Therefore I win.
context
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.
Writing 5.2% is 5.2% is not saying that context doesn't matter.
You have misunderstood me in your haste to demean, belittle and attempt to put down others.
Haters be haten, yo.
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When arguing with an idiot, once you have won the argument it is better to stay silent.
He's my friend. This is how he likes to play with me.
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Mussini I think in top 10 of amount posts about a player since I have been on these sites.
In no particular order:
Geno- For being slow, awful to watch and the face of the Norm Roberts era.
Harrison-For being a best player and for somehow annoying a bunch of middle aged white guys with facial expressions, tats and frohawks.?
Jordan-Seemed like he was rumored to be leaving from the minute he showed up.
Burrell-Started and ended his career nicely. In between was disappointing.
Mason-Best player on terrible teams. Ball hog always hurt.
Phil Greene-Dribbled around aimlessly while miscast as a point guard. Would have 3 terrible games followed by great game. Carmine hyperbole added to animosity.
Lovett-Criticized very unfairly and also had Jordan will he or won't he drama from the day he showed up.
Mussini-Little white guy. ST john's fans seem to love little white guys?
Off top of my head can't think of two other players that come close to the above 8.
How can we forget Chris Obepka
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Memory loss from the weed?
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Top talked about players of all-time on Johnny Jungle were never Johnnies. Kyle Anderson and Jermaine Lawrence.
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Top talked about players of all-time on Johnny Jungle were never Johnnies. Kyle Anderson and Jermaine Lawrence.
Briscoe
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Top talked about players of all-time on Johnny Jungle were never Johnnies. Kyle Anderson and Jermaine Lawrence.
Jermaine Lawrence. Talk about a waste of a career.
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Top talked about players of all-time on Johnny Jungle were never Johnnies. Kyle Anderson and Jermaine Lawrence.
Jermaine Lawrence. Talk about a waste of a career.
How's that movie documenting his career that his people were so concerned about doing?
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Top talked about players of all-time on Johnny Jungle were never Johnnies. Kyle Anderson and Jermaine Lawrence.
Jermaine Lawrence. Talk about a waste of a career.
How's that movie documenting his career that his people were so concerned about doing?
I wasn't even aware anyone was making one. He was once a top 25 kid.
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His "advisor", who is apparently a big reason he never ended up here. Last staff did everyone a favor in passing on that madness.
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Top talked about players of all-time on Johnny Jungle were never Johnnies. Kyle Anderson and Jermaine Lawrence.
Jermaine Lawrence. Talk about a waste of a career.
How's that movie documenting his career that his people were so concerned about doing?
nightmare on elm st
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Just ran into Jermaine Lawrence at Shake Shack cross county lol
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Top talked about players of all-time on Johnny Jungle were never Johnnies. Kyle Anderson and Jermaine Lawrence.
Sylven Landesberg probably right up there too.
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Jayvaughn Pinkston
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Just ran into Jermaine Lawrence at Shake Shack cross county lol
How would your rate his service?
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Just ran into Jermaine Lawrence at Shake Shack cross county lol
How would your rate his service?
Probable spatula injury, will be out a year.
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Just ran into Jermaine Lawrence at Shake Shack cross county lol
He has a guaranteed contract. It will give him time to work on his "game".
How would your rate his service?
Probable spatula injury, will be out a year.
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If the argument is that in an empty gym, Mussini is the best pure shooter on the team, ok fine.
No, not good enough. The argument is that he's the best pure shooter on the team in an arena on game days. It has nothing to do with his other limitations.
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Awesome he was able to keep up with his studies and graduate while pursuing his pro career. Wonder if he will play a future role with St.johns.