6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: pmg911 on July 31, 2017, 06:06:56 PM
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Word must be around that Mike Rice joining staff again.
Literally got 2 calls in the last hour from well informed guys asking me if I have heard this one..
This chatter been around before..
I think it would be good move for St. John's
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Please be true. This would be a big add.
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Word must be around that Mike Rice joining staff again.
Literally got 2 calls in the last hour from well informed guys asking me if I have heard this one..
This chatter been around before..
I think it would be good move for St. John's
Yeah, it's been circulating for a few months. I figured if was going to happen, then it would happen after the AAU season. Now, the AAU season is practically over, we should hear more about this situation (whether it comes to fruition or not). I'm certainly hoping we do bring him in.
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Paultzman actually intimated that if it were to happen it would be after the summer recruiting season if anybody paid attention... Mike Rice deserves a second chance. Almost all of his players love(d) him and he'd be a nightmare planning-wise for opposing teams with his attention to detail. Great planner and tireless worker. SJU people that are worried about him, should be more worried about SJU obsolescence than Mike Rice, who would be a big asset as a coach.
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Paultzman actually intimated that if it were to happen it would be after the summer recruiting season if anybody paid attention... Mike Rice deserves a second chance. Almost all of his players love(d) him and he'd be a nightmare planning-wise for opposing teams with his attention to detail. Great planner and tireless worker. SJU people that are worried about him, should be more worried about SJU obsolescence than Mike Rice, who would be a big asset as a coach.
I'm sure if he was to come here, there would be eyes on him to make sure no bs happened, and I'd think that he'd know that there are eyes on him.
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Paultzman actually intimated that if it were to happen it would be after the summer recruiting season if anybody paid attention... Mike Rice deserves a second chance. Almost all of his players love(d) him and he'd be a nightmare planning-wise for opposing teams with his attention to detail. Great planner and tireless worker. SJU people that are worried about him, should be more worried about SJU obsolescence than Mike Rice, who would be a big asset as a coach.
I'm sure if he was to come here, there would be eyes on him to make sure no bs happened, and I'd think that he'd know that there are eyes on him.
Meh, if we hire him it'll get some headlines locally and be buried on some national sites for a day or two and then disappear. That story is yesterday's news and hiring him as an assistant isn't a sexy story. Most casual college basketball fans not in the northeast probably forgot he was "that Mike Rice" by now
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Would be a great hire for us.
1. An experienced X and O guy, so that doesn't just fall on St Jean.
2. Pulse for recruiting in New Jersey.
A great hire
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Paultzman actually intimated that if it were to happen it would be after the summer recruiting season if anybody paid attention... Mike Rice deserves a second chance. Almost all of his players love(d) him and he'd be a nightmare planning-wise for opposing teams with his attention to detail. Great planner and tireless worker. SJU people that are worried about him, should be more worried about SJU obsolescence than Mike Rice, who would be a big asset as a coach.
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His experience coaching AAU should prove to people he's changed and worthy of a second chance. Would be a big get and immediately help.
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His experience coaching AAU should prove to people he's changed and worthy of a second chance. Would be a big get and immediately help.
He also coached the #1 team in state of NJ last year...
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Last , but not least, he has exp. coaching college bb.
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I want to preface this by saying that I am a fan of the hire. To note however, there will be a onslaught of negative press initially. This is 2017 after all and we operate in a very sensitive climate. The Rutgers tapes will be replayed and conversations surrounding his second chance will be raised, articles will be written. Ultimately once the dust settles, we will have a well connected, experienced tactician on our bench who specializes in player development, which is something that we've been missing since Dunlap left.
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People deserve a second chance if they show that they have mended their ways. Mike has been humbled by the experience of falling from a high D-1 coach. Hopefully he is matured and will enjoy coaching rather than being a person on edge all the time.
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Paultz,
Any inkling of an idea that admin has its ear to the ground on this ?
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Hope it happens. I think it adds good dynamic to program and staff. Could pay huge dividends in recruiting too.
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Paultz,
Any inkling of an idea that admin has its ear to the ground on this ?
I don't think administration would object. I sense the issue will be whether Mullin feels comfortable with this & role Rice would play. I guess this will be put to rest in not too distant future so RIce can stay where he is or consider other options.
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Paultz,
Any inkling of an idea that admin has its ear to the ground on this ?
I don't think administration would object. I sense the issue will be whether Mullin feels comfortable with this & role Rice would play. I guess this will be put to rest in not too distant future so RIce can stay where he is or consider other options.
Do you think Rice can be an Asst. Coach? With his emotions on full display most of the time, wonder if he can play that role. He is an Alpha to the max!
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Paultz,
Any inkling of an idea that admin has its ear to the ground on this ?
I don't think administration would object. I sense the issue will be whether Mullin feels comfortable with this & role Rice would play. I guess this will be put to rest in not too distant future so RIce can stay where he is or consider other options.
Do you think Rice can be an Asst. Coach? With his emotions on full display most of the time, wonder if he can play that role. He is an Alpha to the max!
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He's been an assistant at lots of places. He may just have to scream over St. Jean, but I honk it's a good move for us. He pays attention to detail and I really believe would help tighten up our weaknesses quite a bit in certain spots. He just needs to understand his role, and also realize that Matt is the lead recruiter. I don't think he'd step on toes there but he can help with coaching, scouting and recruiting.
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Paultz,
Any inkling of an idea that admin has its ear to the ground on this ?
I don't think administration would object. I sense the issue will be whether Mullin feels comfortable with this & role Rice would play. I guess this will be put to rest in not too distant future so RIce can stay where he is or consider other options.
Who would be the initiator of Rice's consideration/interest....
Mullin, Goff or Rice himself ?
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Paultz,
Any inkling of an idea that admin has its ear to the ground on this ?
I don't think administration would object. I sense the issue will be whether Mullin feels comfortable with this & role Rice would play. I guess this will be put to rest in not too distant future so RIce can stay where he is or consider other options.
Who would be the initiator of Rice's consideration/interest....
Mullin, Goff or Rice himself ?
Have heard Rice & Mullin met earlier in the summer to talk generally. Sense if Mullin wants him, Goff would be fine. For Rice, this would be a big opportunity to return to college ball & think he could come relatively cheap.
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Paultz,
Any inkling of an idea that admin has its ear to the ground on this ?
I don't think administration would object. I sense the issue will be whether Mullin feels comfortable with this & role Rice would play. I guess this will be put to rest in not too distant future so RIce can stay where he is or consider other options.
Who would be the initiator of Rice's consideration/interest....
Mullin, Goff or Rice himself ?
Have heard Rice & Mullin met earlier in the summer to talk generally. Sense if Mullin wants him, Goff would be fine. For Rice, this would be a big opportunity to return to college ball & think he could come relatively cheap.
Who would he replace?
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Slice
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there will be a onslaught of negative press initially
No there won't. No one cares about a mediocre basketball program hiring an assistant coach no one has ever heard of who did something untoward five years ago. The circumstances of his firing would comprise one sentence in a three paragraph blurb at the back of the sports section and on some slow day in the fall Brazziller will write a puff piece about his fall from grace and redemption. If all goes well Lifetime will make a movie about it.
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There is a huge difference between hiring Rice as an assistant coach vs. hiring him as a head coach with full control.
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I disagree with those that are saying he will be a big help in recruiting right away. Perhaps a few years down the line he will be but the real value he adds to this staff is the x's and o's, rebounding and defensive coaching that he will instill in the players. That's what this team needs more than anything at this point.
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I disagree with those that are saying he will be a big help in recruiting right away. Perhaps a few years down the line he will be but the real value he adds to this staff is the x's and o's, rebounding and defensive coaching that he will instill in the players. That's what this team needs more than anything at this point.
I do believe Rice would quickly bring value to defense and aiding the staff, per X's and O's. I also believe he'll help with recruiting right out of the gates. His relationships (from kids he's coached to coaches he's probably bonded with in the area) in NJ could pay immediate dividends, in regards to recruiting.
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He would have to replace Mitch who can slide to a special advisor role and not have to recruit
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I disagree with those that are saying he will be a big help in recruiting right away. Perhaps a few years down the line he will be but the real value he adds to this staff is the x's and o's, rebounding and defensive coaching that he will instill in the players. That's what this team needs more than anything at this point.
I do believe Rice would quickly bring value to defense and aiding the staff, per X's and O's. I also believe he'll help with recruiting right out of the gates. His relationships (from kids he's coached to coaches he's probably bonded with in the area) in NJ could pay immediate dividends, in regards to recruiting.
If he also helps in recruiting then it's all gravy.
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@NYPost_Brazille 10h
Five-star Scottie Lewis told @ASlater247 if a local program hired Mike Rice it would mean "a lot" for his recruitment. Hmmm.
@CoachRNaclerio Replying to @NYPost_Brazille @ASlater247
Heard he's about to get a college gig. Heard it's at my alma mater!
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There would still be value if Rice joined staff, but would likely be big disappointment and/or anger from fans if admin takes chance, he comes on board and Lewis chooses elsewhere.
Only thing I can see longer term is as possible Mullin successor if program gets on track and Mullin passes off as he initially talked about.
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There would still be value if Rice joined staff, but would likely be big disappointment and/or anger from fans if admin takes chance, he comes on board and Lewis chooses elsewhere.
Only thing I can see longer term is as possible Mullin successor if program gets on track and Mullin passes off as he initially talked about.
That I think that is entirely untrue. The hire is to help our team at the coaching end, to add experience. It will help recruiting and scouting as well. It has zero to do with Lewis nor taking over for Mullin which will never happen. This is about getting a solid assistant HC in here to help coordinate efforts to make the tourney consistently. All other great programs have very knowledgeable AHC's, which can be invaluable. Landing Lewis would certainly be gravy, but nothing more at this point.
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There would still be value if Rice joined staff, but would likely be big disappointment and/or anger from fans if admin takes chance, he comes on board and Lewis chooses elsewhere.
Only thing I can see longer term is as possible Mullin successor if program gets on track and Mullin passes off as he initially talked about.
That I think that is entirely untrue. The hire is to help our team at the coaching end, to add experience. It will help recruiting and scouting as well. It has zero to do with Lewis nor taking over for Mullin which will never happen. This is about getting a solid assistant HC in here to help coordinate efforts to make the tourney consistently. All other great programs have very knowledgeable AHC's, which can be invaluable. Landing Lewis would certainly be gravy, but nothing more at this point.
+1 Most of our fans save posters never heard of Scottie Lewis or basically any other recruit.
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fair points...
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The recruiting is a bonus. By all accounts, this staff has recruited well in their limited tenure. This is about hiring a knowledgeable coach who was very successful at a mid major and is regarded as a good coach.
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Helping improve the defense is a potential gain in my opinion.
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Helping improve the defense is a potential gain in my opinion.
ba-boom ;)
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There would still be value if Rice joined staff, but would likely be big disappointment and/or anger from fans if admin takes chance, he comes on board and Lewis chooses elsewhere.
Only thing I can see longer term is as possible Mullin successor if program gets on track and Mullin passes off as he initially talked about.
That I think that is entirely untrue. The hire is to help our team at the coaching end, to add experience. It will help recruiting and scouting as well. It has zero to do with Lewis nor taking over for Mullin which will never happen. This is about getting a solid assistant HC in here to help coordinate efforts to make the tourney consistently. All other great programs have very knowledgeable AHC's, which can be invaluable. Landing Lewis would certainly be gravy, but nothing more at this point.
+1 Most of our fans save posters never heard of Scottie Lewis or basically any other recruit.
Most of our fans haven't heard of Mike Rice
And most think our coach is Chris Mullin
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There would still be value if Rice joined staff, but would likely be big disappointment and/or anger from fans if admin takes chance, he comes on board and Lewis chooses elsewhere.
Only thing I can see longer term is as possible Mullin successor if program gets on track and Mullin passes off as he initially talked about.
That I think that is entirely untrue. The hire is to help our team at the coaching end, to add experience. It will help recruiting and scouting as well. It has zero to do with Lewis nor taking over for Mullin which will never happen. This is about getting a solid assistant HC in here to help coordinate efforts to make the tourney consistently. All other great programs have very knowledgeable AHC's, which can be invaluable. Landing Lewis would certainly be gravy, but nothing more at this point.
I agree w you re; this subject. Will give exp. to coaching staff, help in recruiting. Price will be right, which is important b cause of Slice buyout. Lewis only had praise for Rice. I would be very happy w this hire, even when if we don't get Lewis.
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there will be a onslaught of negative press initially
No there won't. No one cares about a mediocre basketball program hiring an assistant coach no one has ever heard of who did something untoward five years ago. The circumstances of his firing would comprise one sentence in a three paragraph blurb at the back of the sports section and on some slow day in the fall Brazziller will write a puff piece about his fall from grace and redemption. If all goes well Lifetime will make a movie about it.
I had the paper wrong, and the author, and the time frame, but other than that: nailed it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/sports/ncaabasketball/mike-rice-rutgers-basketball-coach.html?partner=IFTTT
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Pretty good article from the failing New York Times
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Summer sessions are over, first semester is around the corner, what's the hold up?
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any updates on Rice joining the staff?
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Is there any chance of a Mike Rice hire this offseason?
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Is there any chance of a Mike Rice hire this offseason?
No I think that ship has sailed. Again ultimately it is CM's choice and I'm told he wasn't comfortable and ultimately felt Rice would be a negative since others would use the Rutgers stuff to negative recruit against SJU.
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Is there any chance of a Mike Rice hire this offseason?
There may not be any changes to the staff.
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Fordham, MJD- Thank you both for the clarity.
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Is there any chance of a Mike Rice hire this offseason?
No I think that ship has sailed. Again ultimately it is CM's choice and I'm told he wasn't comfortable and ultimately felt Rice would be a negative since others would use the Rutgers stuff to negative recruit against SJU.
meanwhile, quite a few of the top kids in the area train with and/or play on his AAU team
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Is there any chance of a Mike Rice hire this offseason?
No I think that ship has sailed. Again ultimately it is CM's choice and I'm told he wasn't comfortable and ultimately felt Rice would be a negative since others would use the Rutgers stuff to negative recruit against SJU.
meanwhile, quite a few of the top kids in the area train with and/or play on his AAU team
I don't think for the long term prosepcts of the program you hire a guy simply based on a few recruits. You hire him because you think he can be a serious member of your staff now and in the future. And I don't believe, rightly or wrongly, Coach Mullin thinks Rice would be.
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Is there any chance of a Mike Rice hire this offseason?
No I think that ship has sailed. Again ultimately it is CM's choice and I'm told he wasn't comfortable and ultimately felt Rice would be a negative since others would use the Rutgers stuff to negative recruit against SJU.
meanwhile, quite a few of the top kids in the area train with and/or play on his AAU team
I don't think for the long term prosepcts of the program you hire a guy simply based on a few recruits. You hire him because you think he can be a serious member of your staff now and in the future. And I don't believe, rightly or wrongly, Coach Mullin thinks Rice would be.
Kevin Willard milked 3 solid years out of hiring a couple assistants for a few recruits
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Is there any chance of a Mike Rice hire this offseason?
No I think that ship has sailed. Again ultimately it is CM's choice and I'm told he wasn't comfortable and ultimately felt Rice would be a negative since others would use the Rutgers stuff to negative recruit against SJU.
meanwhile, quite a few of the top kids in the area train with and/or play on his AAU team
I don't think for the long term prosepcts of the program you hire a guy simply based on a few recruits. You hire him because you think he can be a serious member of your staff now and in the future. And I don't believe, rightly or wrongly, Coach Mullin thinks Rice would be.
I'm not sure Mullin knows what a good hire is. Next year will literally determine everything
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Is there any chance of a Mike Rice hire this offseason?
No I think that ship has sailed. Again ultimately it is CM's choice and I'm told he wasn't comfortable and ultimately felt Rice would be a negative since others would use the Rutgers stuff to negative recruit against SJU.
meanwhile, quite a few of the top kids in the area train with and/or play on his AAU team
I don't think for the long term prosepcts of the program you hire a guy simply based on a few recruits. You hire him because you think he can be a serious member of your staff now and in the future. And I don't believe, rightly or wrongly, Coach Mullin thinks Rice would be.
I'm not sure Mullin knows what a good hire is. Next year will literally determine everything
Don’t understand. But this is a common thought. We change nothing but expect different results?
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Is there any chance of a Mike Rice hire this offseason?
No I think that ship has sailed. Again ultimately it is CM's choice and I'm told he wasn't comfortable and ultimately felt Rice would be a negative since others would use the Rutgers stuff to negative recruit against SJU.
meanwhile, quite a few of the top kids in the area train with and/or play on his AAU team
I don't think for the long term prosepcts of the program you hire a guy simply based on a few recruits. You hire him because you think he can be a serious member of your staff now and in the future. And I don't believe, rightly or wrongly, Coach Mullin thinks Rice would be.
Kevin Willard milked 3 solid years out of hiring a couple assistants for a few recruits
Andy Einfield is gonna do the same thing at USC. Just hired a recruits dad as assistant.
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Is there any chance of a Mike Rice hire this offseason?
No I think that ship has sailed. Again ultimately it is CM's choice and I'm told he wasn't comfortable and ultimately felt Rice would be a negative since others would use the Rutgers stuff to negative recruit against SJU.
meanwhile, quite a few of the top kids in the area train with and/or play on his AAU team
I don't think for the long term prosepcts of the program you hire a guy simply based on a few recruits. You hire him because you think he can be a serious member of your staff now and in the future. And I don't believe, rightly or wrongly, Coach Mullin thinks Rice would be.
Kevin Willard milked 3 solid years out of hiring a couple assistants for a few recruits
**Three good seasons... and multiple contract extensions that pretty much leaves him and his family set for life... he played the game very well...
**as long as he doesn't get caught up in this FBI stuff...
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
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and perhaps Scottie Lewis to follow
if that happens, we should just give up.
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and perhaps Scottie Lewis to follow
if that happens, we should just give up.
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Not sure if that happens. Either way Capel will get players he is a good recruiter. But not sure how many head to head wins he'll get going against his mentor on or off the court.
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Sounds like his first hire maybe Brandin Knight who is currently at Rutgers.
https://twitter.com/PaulZeise/status/979054264004816899
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Yes my question was rhetorical. My larger point is people are saying "Why doesn't SJU just hire Mike Rice?" My question is "Why isn't anyone else hiring him?" and you may have your answer. It doesn't appear that anyone is beating down his door in a race to hire him.
BTW-He is not the only one there are plenty of off season staff movements that allow for top recruiting assistants to become available. I just think the focus on Rice is overplayed.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Yes my question was rhetorical. My larger point is people are saying "Why doesn't SJU just hire Mike Rice?" Why question is "Why isn't anyone else hiring him?" and you may have your answer. It is not that simple.
BTW-He is not the only one there are plenty of off season staff movements that allow for top recruiting assistants to become available. I just think the focus on Rice is overplayed.
Gotcha. The candidate should not just be a recruiting ass't but an X's and O's guy which I think is just as, if not, more important.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Yes my question was rhetorical. My larger point is people are saying "Why doesn't SJU just hire Mike Rice?" My question is "Why isn't anyone else hiring him?" and you may have your answer. It doesn't appear that anyone is beating down his door in a race to hire him.
BTW-He is not the only one there are plenty of off season staff movements that allow for top recruiting assistants to become available. I just think the focus on Rice is overplayed.
Agree with you. But the focus on Rice is that he's: (a) available, (b) presumably could be an inexpensive hire, (c) has a skill set that makes a ton of sense here given the staff's limitations, and (d) is currently coaching several top prospects that would immediately change recruiting dynamics.
I'd be less concerned about the recruits being scared off by his past because he already has very strong in roads with Antoine, Lewis, etc. Somehow land those guys are we are in outstanding shape.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Yes my question was rhetorical. My larger point is people are saying "Why doesn't SJU just hire Mike Rice?" My question is "Why isn't anyone else hiring him?" and you may have your answer. It doesn't appear that anyone is beating down his door in a race to hire him.
BTW-He is not the only one there are plenty of off season staff movements that allow for top recruiting assistants to become available. I just think the focus on Rice is overplayed.
Agree with you. But the focus on Rice is that he's: (a) available, (b) presumably could be an inexpensive hire, (c) has a skill set that makes a ton of sense here given the staff's limitations, and (d) is currently coaching several top prospects that would immediately change recruiting dynamics.
I'd be less concerned about the recruits being scared off by his past because he already has very strong in roads with Antoine, Lewis, etc. Somehow land those guys are we are in outstanding shape.
Understood but he is not the only one and there are clearly red flags. And again he is not the only one especially in the off season where coaches that are part of staffs that get fired become available.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Almost 5 years to the day he was fired and NO ONE has hired him. Doubt very much ST John's would want to be the one that breaks that streak.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Yes my question was rhetorical. My larger point is people are saying "Why doesn't SJU just hire Mike Rice?" My question is "Why isn't anyone else hiring him?" and you may have your answer. It doesn't appear that anyone is beating down his door in a race to hire him.
BTW-He is not the only one there are plenty of off season staff movements that allow for top recruiting assistants to become available. I just think the focus on Rice is overplayed.
Agree with you. But the focus on Rice is that he's: (a) available, (b) presumably could be an inexpensive hire, (c) has a skill set that makes a ton of sense here given the staff's limitations, and (d) is currently coaching several top prospects that would immediately change recruiting dynamics.
I'd be less concerned about the recruits being scared off by his past because he already has very strong in roads with Antoine, Lewis, etc. Somehow land those guys are we are in outstanding shape.
Understood but he is not the only one and there are clearly red flags. And again he is not the only one especially in the off season where coaches that are part of staff that get fired become available.
No argument. We're all dreaming of a magic bullet, and we all know there isn't one. For me, Rice is definitely worth the risk given all of the positives.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Almost 5 years to the day he was fired and NO ONE has hired him. Doubt very much ST John's would want to be the one that breaks that streak.
I can tell you the belief by SJU is the negative recruiting from other staffs is not worth the hire.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Yes my question was rhetorical. My larger point is people are saying "Why doesn't SJU just hire Mike Rice?" My question is "Why isn't anyone else hiring him?" and you may have your answer. It doesn't appear that anyone is beating down his door in a race to hire him.
BTW-He is not the only one there are plenty of off season staff movements that allow for top recruiting assistants to become available. I just think the focus on Rice is overplayed.
Agree with you. But the focus on Rice is that he's: (a) available, (b) presumably could be an inexpensive hire, (c) has a skill set that makes a ton of sense here given the staff's limitations, and (d) is currently coaching several top prospects that would immediately change recruiting dynamics.
I'd be less concerned about the recruits being scared off by his past because he already has very strong in roads with Antoine, Lewis, etc. Somehow land those guys are we are in outstanding shape.
Understood but he is not the only one and there are clearly red flags. And again he is not the only one especially in the off season where coaches that are part of staff that get fired become available.
No argument. We're all dreaming of a magic bullet, and we all know there isn't one. For me, Rice is definitely worth the risk given all of the positives.
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Last time I checked there wasn't an opening on the staff so all of this is moot.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Almost 5 years to the day he was fired and NO ONE has hired him. Doubt very much ST John's would want to be the one that breaks that streak.
I can tell you the belief by SJU is the negative recruiting from other staffs is not worth the hire.
As if they don't have enough already. The kids that play for him say great things about him if we get some of them and have high level of success and he works out by the time we need other recruits this would be moot. Now if he can't deliver the recruits he may very well not be worth the bother.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Almost 5 years to the day he was fired and NO ONE has hired him. Doubt very much ST John's would want to be the one that breaks that streak.
I can tell you the belief by SJU is the negative recruiting from other staffs is not worth the hire.
This is a silly reason to not hire a clearly qualified coach. First, Mullin is the ultimate player's coach. Second, they could know within ten minutes meeting him he's a decent guy and changed man.
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Why somebody wouldn’t hire him at this point is silly. SJU has zero to lose honestly. We are in last place, and our rep sucks to begin with. Only up from here. Mike Rice is a very hard worker and would help at both recruiting and coaching. It’s a no-brainer.
“I can tell you the belief by SJU is the negative recruiting from other staffs is not worth the hire.” ;D ;D. Maybe the sit-out transfer market will dry up or are we gonna stop landing blue-chippers? ;D. Mike Rice’s high school team is currently landing higher ranked guys than SJU is!
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Almost 5 years to the day he was fired and NO ONE has hired him. Doubt very much ST John's would want to be the one that breaks that streak.
I can tell you the belief by SJU is the negative recruiting from other staffs is not worth the hire.
This is a silly reason to not hire a clearly qualified coach. First, Mullin is the ultimate player's coach. Second, they could know within ten minutes meeting him he's a decent guy and changed man.
It might take a little more than 10 minutes to know if Mike Rice is rehabilitated.
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Fact remains we lost our “lead recruiter” in Slice and never replaced him. Even if it’s not Mike Rice, our assistant coaching staff needs more meat and less potatoes...
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There will always be negative recruiting. If that is what is preventing the staff from hiring a experienced coach who can help them more than hurt them that would be disappointing. I have to be more confident to overcome those barriers. I have a better idea that many of you may not be on board with. When Mullin decides to move on, and if he's available, being he still wants to get back into coaching, I would bring in Ricky P.
I don't care about the issues. If there is a God, he will be walking the SJU sidelines one day.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Almost 5 years to the day he was fired and NO ONE has hired him. Doubt very much ST John's would want to be the one that breaks that streak.
I can tell you the belief by SJU is the negative recruiting from other staffs is not worth the hire.
Fine. So when you ask them who is the perfect "saintly" hire for SJU what do they say
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I guess this ship either hasn't sailed yet or has returned to the dock
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Paultz- Loving today's avi!
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Paultz- Loving today's avi!
Just having some fun in response to rumors about staff change, not necessarily Rice. We’ll see if they have legs.
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To follow up there is some talk that Mitch may go back to the NBA or at least move down to non-assistant/advisor role thus creating an opening.
I am not sure assuming that happens Rice would be the main candidate to replace him though.
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I'll take someone with head coaching experience that can also assist on the recruiting trail, with ties to the NY/NJ area.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Mike Rice ends up at Pitt with Capel
Smart man I sense
Not likely. Told those rumors are not solid.
BTW-Don't get carried away with Rice, I'm not saying he couldn't be a good hire, he may be. But think about it why is he still available? If it were as simple as hiring him and getting a great coach/recruiter who may even be able to bring big time kids immediately why hasn't ANYONE hired him as an assistant let alone SJU? Forget about SJU what is preventing anyone high major or even mid major program from hiring him? Nothing presumably, so why is he still coaching high school kids?
Rutgers is why no one will hire him. It's hard for him to shed that and the media probably won't let him if he ever gets another college job. That's the most likely reason.
Yes my question was rhetorical. My larger point is people are saying "Why doesn't SJU just hire Mike Rice?" My question is "Why isn't anyone else hiring him?" and you may have your answer. It doesn't appear that anyone is beating down his door in a race to hire him.
BTW-He is not the only one there are plenty of off season staff movements that allow for top recruiting assistants to become available. I just think the focus on Rice is overplayed.
It’s not just him, but it illucidates the bigger problem... that we hired no real coaches! Abdelmassih is our single recruiter, there’s no AHC, Richmond is a friend and former player that does no recruiting ala Rico Hines and a noob who also doesn’t recruit. There’s a problem here... Rice seemed like a solid choice because he ran a few programs before and has a lot of local recruiting connections. There are lots of others. Just hire somebody because we need help both coaching and recruiting high school players.
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Should have said “elucidate” but It won’t let me edit.. too many craft beers that night... ;D
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There are still rumblings of a staff overhaul.
But one thing I was told, Rice is not going to happen even with an opening.
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The only reason to consider Rice is if he could guarantee the Ranney duo which I don't think he can. Other wise I wouldn't touch him. Veteran coach would be wise but don't like Rice.
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Thanks Fordham. As for the staff change, are you hearing what has been speculated at length, ie Mitch heading to another role in staff or leaving altogether.
Also, any potential names if not Rice.
And as for Rice is the issue what has been speculated about here before - the concern over negative recruiting?
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Thanks Fordham. As for the staff change, are you hearing what has been speculated at length, ie Mitch heading to another role in staff or leaving altogether.
Also, any potential names if not Rice.
And as for Rice is the issue what has been speculated about here before - the concern over negative recruiting?
I am not going to speculate on names as I said the staff change is potential has not even happened yet.
Personally I threw out a couple of names before, Kevin Ollie. Would be a huge hire in both recruiting and coaching experience. Or someone from his staff like Raphael Chillious, Chillious coached at Prep Power South Kent and AAU circuit before joining Lorenzo Romar at UW, then Jay Wirght and Nova, then back to UW and then to UCONN.
But again it is premature and at the end of the day it is CM who would need to make that call.
But I was told Mike Rice is not going to happen.
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Doesn’t have to be Rice, but we need some changes...
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Doesn’t have to be Rice, but we need some changes...
Sense you will get your wish
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Doesn’t have to be Rice, but we need some changes...
I made this point repeatedly, not against Mike Rice specifically but people act like he is the only potential available assistant. With off season staff changes across the country solid assistants become available. I mean when Ernie Kent was fired at Oregon in 2010 SJU hired Mike Dunlap and Calipari hired Kenny Payne off of his staff. Who cares that Kent was fired, did that make Dunlap and Payne bad hires? I mean you have a poster who argues Kevin Ollie would be a bad hire because he was fired at UCONN as HC, huh????
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Hire Cockburns father and uncles
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I think it is funny that a bunch of you are pining for a guy that no one has hired in 5 years. ST John's is not going to be the first program to start off the Mike Rice redemption tour.
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I think it is funny that a bunch of you are pining for a guy that no one has hired in 5 years. ST John's is not going to be the first program to start off the Mike Rice redemption tour.
You said that already a few weeks back after I implied it first.....:) :)
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Maybe the right perspective is Mullin may realize a staff change could be a positive. Who he chooses, if this occurs, is up to him. I welcome a change if he deems it could help.
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what a concept Paultz, appreciate your level-headiness at all times.
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There needs to be a staff upgrade if he wants to succeed. Let's see if he does it. I have my doubts.
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There needs to be a staff upgrade if he wants to succeed. Let's see if he does it. I have my doubts.
I sense the opposite
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There needs to be a staff upgrade if he wants to succeed. Let's see if he does it. I have my doubts.
I sense the opposite
Slice coming back? He is already getting paid
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There needs to be a staff upgrade if he wants to succeed. Let's see if he does it. I have my doubts.
I sense the opposite
I hope you're right. Really important.
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There needs to be a staff upgrade if he wants to succeed. Let's see if he does it. I have my doubts.
I sense the opposite
Slice coming back? He is already getting paid
Tim Hardaway. He wants to re-unite with Chris and Mitch for a new Run TMC and he can be closer to his son.
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Id be all for a Kevin Ollie hire
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Id be all for a Kevin Ollie hire
Id be all for a Kevin Ollie hire
I would to, if only to piss off UConn fans! That said there might be some choices with more coaching and recruiting chops... we shall see...
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Bump...
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done deal..?
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Please God!!!!
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This would be major, if true.
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fingers crossed this is the real deal!
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I sense that patience is for those who lose their senses, when sensing an upcoming announcement and easily lose their sensibilities over said announcement.
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Bump...
Can you elaborate before Baldi states he's going to UConn.
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Paultzman deleting comments and changing avatar. That could be good news or bad news.
Nothing bad
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Paultzman deleting comments and changing avatar. That could be good news or bad news.
Nothing bad
I'll take that it as good news then
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Are we getting this guy? He deserves a second chance btw.
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Paultzman deleting comments and changing avatar. That could be good news or bad news.
Nothing bad
I'll take that it as good news then
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I hate to be negative. But, you wouldn t be able to compare the effort that will be put into recruiting from Rice vs. Mitch. I too , am for the hiring of Rice.
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Who's leaving?
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I hate to be negative. But, you wouldn t be able to compare the effort that will be put into recruiting from Rice vs. Mitch. I too , am for the hiring of Rice.
Just having Mitch around and connected with the program allows us to keep his biggest contribution. He can still do that in his old role and let someone like Rice have a bigger day-by-day impact. Mitch makes a lot of $ doing talks and making appearances. It's almost certainly in his best interest to go back to his old role.
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Paultzman deleting comments and changing avatar. That could be good news or bad news.
Nothing bad
I'll take that it as good news then
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So one would assume that your bringing it up means that it is back on the table for discussion among the school, coach, and Rice. No ?
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Paultzman deleting comments and changing avatar. That could be good news or bad news.
Nothing bad
I'll take that it as good news then
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So one would assume that your bringing it up means that it is back on the table for discussion among the school, coach, and Rice. No ?
I hate to be negative. But, you wouldn t be able to compare the effort that will be put into recruiting from Rice vs. Mitch. I too , am for the hiring of Rice.
Just having Mitch around and connected with the program allows us to keep his biggest contribution. He can still do that in his old role and let someone like Rice have a bigger day-by-day impact. Mitch makes a lot of $ doing talks and making appearances. It's almost certainly in his best interest to go back to his old role.
Exactly
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Paultzman deleting comments and changing avatar. That could be good news or bad news.
Nothing bad
I'll take that it as good news then
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So one would assume that your bringing it up means that it is back on the table for discussion among the school, coach, and Rice. No ?
I hate to be negative. But, you wouldn t be able to compare the effort that will be put into recruiting from Rice vs. Mitch. I too , am for the hiring of Rice.
Just having Mitch around and connected with the program allows us to keep his biggest contribution. He can still do that in his old role and let someone like Rice have a bigger day-by-day impact. Mitch makes a lot of $ doing talks and making appearances. It's almost certainly in his best interest to go back to his old role.
Exactly
So if we get Mike Rice do you think this gives us a shot with Lewis/Antoine?
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Paultzman deleting comments and changing avatar. That could be good news or bad news.
Nothing bad
I'll take that it as good news then
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So one would assume that your bringing it up means that it is back on the table for discussion among the school, coach, and Rice. No ?
I hate to be negative. But, you wouldn t be able to compare the effort that will be put into recruiting from Rice vs. Mitch. I too , am for the hiring of Rice.
Just having Mitch around and connected with the program allows us to keep his biggest contribution. He can still do that in his old role and let someone like Rice have a bigger day-by-day impact. Mitch makes a lot of $ doing talks and making appearances. It's almost certainly in his best interest to go back to his old role.
Exactly
So if we get Mike Rice do you think this gives us a shot with Lewis/Antoine?
Certainly not Antoine who is likely bound to Nova imo. Aidan, Lewis & Gaffney will be challenging as well re: Rio 19 players.
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Found these Mike Rice quotes from when he was at Rutgers pretty interesting:
"If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball."
"Remember the 5 D's of dodgeball: Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge."
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IF, an its a BIG IF, SJU was to hire Mike Rice it would be best to all parties to come to agreement with a handshake deal and hire him after the summer AAU season. This way he can work on behalf of SJU not just with the kids in his program but the parents and other players he may coach against on the summer circuit. Once he becomes an official coach he would have limited access to the kids he would be recruiting and would not be able to coach them in the summer. Hiring him post summer AAU season gives him a window to still be around these kids and parents the Johnnies want to get in on 24/7 without any restrictions. Kind of like what Penny Hardaway and Memphis are doing. They are expected to hire Sam Mitchell as as assistant coach but have held off so he can be around some players he coaches out of Atlanta during the past April live periods.
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Paultzman deleting comments and changing avatar. That could be good news or bad news.
Nothing bad
I'll take that it as good news then
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So one would assume that your bringing it up means that it is back on the table for discussion among the school, coach, and Rice. No ?
I hate to be negative. But, you wouldn t be able to compare the effort that will be put into recruiting from Rice vs. Mitch. I too , am for the hiring of Rice.
Just having Mitch around and connected with the program allows us to keep his biggest contribution. He can still do that in his old role and let someone like Rice have a bigger day-by-day impact. Mitch makes a lot of $ doing talks and making appearances. It's almost certainly in his best interest to go back to his old role.
Exactly
So if we get Mike Rice do you think this gives us a shot with Lewis/Antoine?
Certainly not Antoine who is likely bound to Nova imo. Aidan, Lewis & Gaffney will be challenging as well re: Rio 19 players.
To be clear the Rice hire or any new assistant that could potentially be hired should not be viewed as simply trying to get a few players because of his immediate connection. It is much more than that. This staff needs an infusion of experience on the bench and in the gyms and Rice brings that. The fact he may bring an immediate player or not is not as important as the long term impact of a new AC hire can have.
To be fair I would have liked to have Chris pursue other names first but I would settle for Rice. He brings grass roots experience and connections, he brings experience as an assistant coach at Pitt and St. Joe's and HC experience at RMU and Rutgers. The stuff at RU obviously has hurt him but I think even SJU believes that won't hurt them at this point.
There will be a bit of a cosmetic perception issue if he is hired and Mitch is demoted or worse he leaves. That is not having a prominent African-American assistant on staff. So it would be nice to have Mitch stay even in a non-recruiting role or find another qualified African-American to put on the staff even if it is an advisory role. Just something to keep in mind. It sounds somewhat trivial and personally I don't care what color they are but sometimes perception can matter as we know.
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I’m curious what if anything lead to these rumors resurfacing? Seems like this is the 5th time we have had heard about rice and nothing has happened.
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also waiting to hear if that grad transfer is going to be added to roster...that is just as important for next year.
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also waiting to hear if that grad transfer is going to be added to roster...that is just as important for next year.
3 major things with the program are still left to be answered for the 18-19 season.
1. Will Ponds return? This doesn't seem like the lock it was just a few days ago.
2. Is there actually an interested grad transfer big out there? A few weeks ago it seemed like that ship has sailed but now it's possible Matt has a trick up his sleeve. We'll see.
3. Will there actually be a staff change? Same with grad transfer, this seemed dead a couple weeks ago but is again picking up steam with Rice's name resurfacing for the 20th time.
Number 1 obviously most important. If Ponds leaves he's leaving for the G League and he knows that. I'm thinking if he's actually considering leaving he's been told by NBA people that he'd develop more in the G league next year instead of college. Would be a crippling blow and would make all of the progress made this offseason be mostly for nothing.
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There will be a bit of a cosmetic perception issue if he is hired and Mitch is demoted or worse he leaves. That is not having a prominent African-American assistant on staff.
While it should not matter this is a real fact...
Other staffs will attempt to use it as a negative recruiting tool..
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There will be a bit of a cosmetic perception issue if he is hired and Mitch is demoted or worse he leaves. That is not having a prominent African-American assistant on staff.
While it should not matter this is a real fact...
Other staffs will attempt to use it as a negative recruiting tool..
Yup, as one other BE team did apparently not so long ago.
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ED Cooley
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There will be a bit of a cosmetic perception issue if he is hired and Mitch is demoted or worse he leaves. That is not having a prominent African-American assistant on staff.
While it should not matter this is a real fact...
Other staffs will attempt to use it as a negative recruiting tool..
Yup, as one other BE team did apparently not so long ago.
Then it's time for Mully to jettison GSJ and scoop up his old pal Mario Elie off of whatever couch he's sitting on in Houston and come help out.
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Greg St. Jean is an excellent young coach with a great work ethic. He fits fine on a staff with two assistants that get after it on the recruiting front. You can fill the DOBO or "special assistant" spot with a qualified African-American.
No one can sell any "demotion" of Mitch as being race motivated when the Head Coach is one of Mitch's best friends.
Yes, Easy Ed apparently played that card with Shamorie and it didn't work. I have no doubt that slime ball snake Willard would do the same, especially since he just replaced one African-American assistant with another and is apparently replacing Freddie Hill with an African-American.
It will certainly be used against the staff if the three assistants are all white but there are ways to manage that.
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Then it's time for Mully to jettison GSJ and scoop up his old pal Mario Elie off of whatever couch he's sitting on in Houston and come help out.
Outstanding reference
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Then it's time for Mully to jettison GSJ and scoop up his old pal Mario Elie off of whatever couch he's sitting on in Houston and come help out.
Outstanding reference
Thanks I channeled Peter Vescey with that one
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Remember when we were excited to get Slice and Matt A. as assistants?
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There will be a bit of a cosmetic perception issue if he is hired and Mitch is demoted or worse he leaves. That is not having a prominent African-American assistant on staff.
While it should not matter this is a real fact...
Other staffs will attempt to use it as a negative recruiting tool..
Yup, as one other BE team did apparently not so long ago.
I freaking knew that race can play a role in recruiting. I absolutely freaking knew it.
All those redmen folks kept telling me “ No, it shouldn’t matter”. I knew it.
Ugh!!!!
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There will be a bit of a cosmetic perception issue if he is hired and Mitch is demoted or worse he leaves. That is not having a prominent African-American assistant on staff.
While it should not matter this is a real fact...
Other staffs will attempt to use it as a negative recruiting tool..
Yup, as one other BE team did apparently not so long ago.
I freaking knew that race can play a role in recruiting. I absolutely freaking knew it.
All those redmen folks kept telling me “ No, it shouldn’t matter”. I knew it.
Ugh!!!!
I hope that one day employers can see past color.
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Think it should be Richmond to get demoted if Rice comes aboard but can someone tell me what exactly Dan Matic does. I've never heard of him out on the recruiting trail. I thought he was hired because he was highly thought of in the ny area.
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There will be a bit of a cosmetic perception issue if he is hired and Mitch is demoted or worse he leaves. That is not having a prominent African-American assistant on staff.
While it should not matter this is a real fact...
Other staffs will attempt to use it as a negative recruiting tool..
Yup, as one other BE team did apparently not so long ago.
I freaking knew that race can play a role in recruiting. I absolutely freaking knew it.
All those redmen folks kept telling me “ No, it shouldn’t matter”. I knew it.
Ugh!!!!
I hope that one day employers can see past color.
You're so virtuous. 🙄
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Think it should be Richmond to get demoted if Rice comes aboard but can someone tell me what exactly Dan Matic does. I've never heard of him out on the recruiting trail. I thought he was hired because he was highly thought of in the ny area.
I’ve had suspicions that Richmond wasn’t adding much to the staff, but without knowing the day to day, how can we point a finger at him over another St.John’s assistant coach? St.Jean, or even Matt. And there’s another guy. I don’t even know who that other guy is.
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Think it should be Richmond to get demoted if Rice comes aboard but can someone tell me what exactly Dan Matic does. I've never heard of him out on the recruiting trail. I thought he was hired because he was highly thought of in the ny area.
+1000
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Come on. Let's not turn this into an issue it isn't. Matt A is highly visible publicly from a recruiting standpoint. St. Jean is highly visible when it comes to in-game coaching and practice, less so with recruiting although he's been out there, most notably on Jordan Brown and the kid from out West that went to Kansas a few years back. He also had an article from a respected publication lauding his abilities as a young-up-and-coming coach. You don't have to anywhere near an "insider" to see that Richmond is the logical person to replace, irrespective of what his role on the staff actually is (and he doesn't get mentioned anywhere in recruiting or in-game coaching). It has nothing to do with race - the guy is Mullin's closest friend in the program by a landslide -- and to try to insinuate that it is about race is the exact type of nonsense that leads to the garbage we see in the press today and will be the quickest way to get folks to tune off this message board.
Think it should be Richmond to get demoted if Rice comes aboard but can someone tell me what exactly Dan Matic does. I've never heard of him out on the recruiting trail. I thought he was hired because he was highly thought of in the ny area.
I’ve had suspicions that Richmond wasn’t adding much to the staff, but without knowing the day to day, how can we point a finger at him over another St.John’s assistant coach? St.Jean, or even Matt. And there’s another guy. I don’t even know who that other guy is.
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Think it should be Richmond to get demoted if Rice comes aboard but can someone tell me what exactly Dan Matic does. I've never heard of him out on the recruiting trail. I thought he was hired because he was highly thought of in the ny area.
Why is Matic getting heat? He's just the DOBO and can't actively recruit. Mullin won't demote his boy. That is not in his character. He might ask him if he's interested in accepting the special advisor role with the same salary and less responsibility. My guess is that is a better fit for what he wants.
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There will be a bit of a cosmetic perception issue if he is hired and Mitch is demoted or worse he leaves. That is not having a prominent African-American assistant on staff.
While it should not matter this is a real fact...
Other staffs will attempt to use it as a negative recruiting tool..
Yup, as one other BE team did apparently not so long ago.
I freaking knew that race can play a role in recruiting. I absolutely freaking knew it.
All those redmen folks kept telling me “ No, it shouldn’t matter”. I knew it.
Ugh!!!!
I hope that one day employers can see past color.
Cops too
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There will be a bit of a cosmetic perception issue if he is hired and Mitch is demoted or worse he leaves. That is not having a prominent African-American assistant on staff.
While it should not matter this is a real fact...
Other staffs will attempt to use it as a negative recruiting tool..
Yup, as one other BE team did apparently not so long ago.
I freaking knew that race can play a role in recruiting. I absolutely freaking knew it.
All those redmen folks kept telling me “ No, it shouldn’t matter”. I knew it.
Ugh!!!!
I hope that one day employers can see past color.
Cops too
+1
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Think it should be Richmond to get demoted if Rice comes aboard but can someone tell me what exactly Dan Matic does. I've never heard of him out on the recruiting trail. I thought he was hired because he was highly thought of in the ny area.
Why is Matic getting heat? He's just the DOBO and can't actively recruit. Mullin won't demote his boy. That is not in his character. He might ask him if he's interested in accepting the special advisor role with the same salary and less responsibility. My guess is that is a better fit for what he wants.
Or another shoe drops. You never know.
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Think it should be Richmond to get demoted if Rice comes aboard but can someone tell me what exactly Dan Matic does. I've never heard of him out on the recruiting trail. I thought he was hired because he was highly thought of in the ny area.
Why is Matic getting heat? He's just the DOBO and can't actively recruit. Mullin won't demote his boy. That is not in his character. He might ask him if he's interested in accepting the special advisor role with the same salary and less responsibility. My guess is that is a better fit for what he wants.
My understanding of the way recruiting works is that you're allowed 3 people to be out on the trail in addition to your head coach. Doesn't matter if it's an assistant coach or dobo.
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There will be a bit of a cosmetic perception issue if he is hired and Mitch is demoted or worse he leaves. That is not having a prominent African-American assistant on staff.
While it should not matter this is a real fact...
Other staffs will attempt to use it as a negative recruiting tool..
Yup, as one other BE team did apparently not so long ago.
I freaking knew that race can play a role in recruiting. I absolutely freaking knew it.
All those redmen folks kept telling me “ No, it shouldn’t matter”. I knew it.
Ugh!!!!
I hope that one day employers can see past color.
Cops too
+1
Those damn cops. They are the problem. nice personic posts
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Think it should be Richmond to get demoted if Rice comes aboard but can someone tell me what exactly Dan Matic does. I've never heard of him out on the recruiting trail. I thought he was hired because he was highly thought of in the ny area.
Why is Matic getting heat? He's just the DOBO and can't actively recruit. Mullin won't demote his boy. That is not in his character. He might ask him if he's interested in accepting the special advisor role with the same salary and less responsibility. My guess is that is a better fit for what he wants.
Or another shoe drops. You never know.
How many feet do we have?
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I absolutely think Richmond should be be replaced. But if you hire mike rice, what happens to st. Jean? He has been coaching the team for the most part from day 1. Now who is in charge of practice? Who is in charge of game planning?
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I absolutely think Richmond should be be replaced. But if you hire mike rice, what happens to st. Jean? He has been coaching the team for the most part from day 1. Now who is in charge of practice? Who is in charge of game planning?
Rice - Defense and rebounding
St. Jean - Offense
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I absolutely think Richmond should be be replaced. But if you hire mike rice, what happens to st. Jean? He has been coaching the team for the most part from day 1. Now who is in charge of practice? Who is in charge of game planning?
Rice - Defense and rebounding
St. Jean - Offense
Not sure if those 2 would get along. Think they will annoy the shit out of each other. But By far best idea yet.
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I absolutely think Richmond should be be replaced. But if you hire mike rice, what happens to st. Jean? He has been coaching the team for the most part from day 1. Now who is in charge of practice? Who is in charge of game planning?
Rice - Defense and rebounding
St. Jean - Offense
Not sure if those 2 would get along. Think they will annoy the shit out of each other. But By far best idea yet.
Yeah, because we'd be the only staff in the country with 2 assistants that can coach, gameplan, and run a practice. You should probably sit the next few plays out, champ.
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I think what you get with Rice is somebody who’s experienced, can add a lot to practice, film and gameplanning, and isn’t too good to go out and scout and recruit. He’s a tireless worker. I’m not saying that it has to be Rice we hire, he just seems like a good fit being local with good connections and with the type of drive that we need in places we might not have it.
Matt A can still be our lead recruiter, but it can’t hurt to have another assistant that recruits and has good connections and enjoys getting on the road and landing players and is also a gym rat with skill work and practices...
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I absolutely think Richmond should be be replaced. But if you hire mike rice, what happens to st. Jean? He has been coaching the team for the most part from day 1. Now who is in charge of practice? Who is in charge of game planning?
Rice - Defense and rebounding
St. Jean - Offense
Not sure if those 2 would get along. Think they will annoy the shit out of each other. But By far best idea yet.
Yeah, because we'd be the only staff in the country with 2 assistants that can coach, gameplan, and run a practice. You should probably sit the next few plays out, champ.
Sir, usually the head coach is in charge. Usually the head coach has a system that he has honed over many years before he gets to big east. Their should be an offensive and defensive philosophy that that has not only been thought about but practiced and improved though out the years. Usually assistant coaches are hired with thought and are put in position to ASSIST the head coach.
That doesn’t happen here. So hopefully st. Jean can coach the offense and mike rice can coach the defense.
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I absolutely think Richmond should be be replaced. But if you hire mike rice, what happens to st. Jean? He has been coaching the team for the most part from day 1. Now who is in charge of practice? Who is in charge of game planning?
Rice - Defense and rebounding
St. Jean - Offense
Not sure if those 2 would get along. Think they will annoy the shit out of each other. But By far best idea yet.
Yeah, because we'd be the only staff in the country with 2 assistants that can coach, gameplan, and run a practice. You should probably sit the next few plays out, champ.
Sir, usually the head coach is in charge. Usually the head coach has a system that he has honed over many years before he gets to big east. Their should be an offensive and defensive philosophy that that has not only been thought about but practiced and improved though out the years. Usually assistant coaches are hired with thought and are put in position to ASSIST the head coach.
That doesn’t happen here. So hopefully st. Jean can coach the offense and mike rice can coach the defense.
This response makes no sense to what you are replying to. What makes you think GSJ and Mike Rice wouldn't get along? Do you think Mullin would be doing the right thing if he adds Mike Rice to the staff in place of Mitch Richmond?
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Think it should be Richmond to get demoted if Rice comes aboard but can someone tell me what exactly Dan Matic does. I've never heard of him out on the recruiting trail. I thought he was hired because he was highly thought of in the ny area.
Why is Matic getting heat? He's just the DOBO and can't actively recruit. Mullin won't demote his boy. That is not in his character. He might ask him if he's interested in accepting the special advisor role with the same salary and less responsibility. My guess is that is a better fit for what he wants.
How much less responsibility can Richmond have? Any less and he will be doing absolutely nothing.
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I absolutely think Richmond should be be replaced. But if you hire mike rice, what happens to st. Jean? He has been coaching the team for the most part from day 1. Now who is in charge of practice? Who is in charge of game planning?
Rice - Defense and rebounding
St. Jean - Offense
Not sure if those 2 would get along. Think they will annoy the shit out of each other. But By far best idea yet.
Yeah, because we'd be the only staff in the country with 2 assistants that can coach, gameplan, and run a practice. You should probably sit the next few plays out, champ.
Sir, usually the head coach is in charge. Usually the head coach has a system that he has honed over many years before he gets to big east. Their should be an offensive and defensive philosophy that that has not only been thought about but practiced and improved though out the years. Usually assistant coaches are hired with thought and are put in position to ASSIST the head coach.
That doesn’t happen here. So hopefully st. Jean can coach the offense and mike rice can coach the defense.
This response makes no sense to what you are replying to. What makes you think GSJ and Mike Rice wouldn't get along? Do you think Mullin would be doing the right thing if he adds Mike Rice to the staff in place of Mitch Richmond?
I think st. Jean coaches the team for the most part. I think he runs most of the practices. I think he is in charge of the walk throughs. I think he is the man speaking during film sessions. Now he loses much of his authority? Mike rice is going to sit there and watch this young guy? Take orders from him?
Coaching staffs need to blend and work together. 1 voice. I think mike rice is a good coach. I think st. Jean can be. Who is in charge? Do these guys compliment each other?
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I absolutely think Richmond should be be replaced. But if you hire mike rice, what happens to st. Jean? He has been coaching the team for the most part from day 1. Now who is in charge of practice? Who is in charge of game planning?
Rice - Defense and rebounding
St. Jean - Offense
Not sure if those 2 would get along. Think they will annoy the shit out of each other. But By far best idea yet.
Yeah, because we'd be the only staff in the country with 2 assistants that can coach, gameplan, and run a practice. You should probably sit the next few plays out, champ.
Sir, usually the head coach is in charge. Usually the head coach has a system that he has honed over many years before he gets to big east. Their should be an offensive and defensive philosophy that that has not only been thought about but practiced and improved though out the years. Usually assistant coaches are hired with thought and are put in position to ASSIST the head coach.
That doesn’t happen here. So hopefully st. Jean can coach the offense and mike rice can coach the defense.
This response makes no sense to what you are replying to. What makes you think GSJ and Mike Rice wouldn't get along? Do you think Mullin would be doing the right thing if he adds Mike Rice to the staff in place of Mitch Richmond?
I think st. Jean coaches the team for the most part. I think he runs most of the practices. I think he is in charge of the walk throughs. I think he is the man speaking during film sessions. Now he loses much of his authority? Mike rice is going to sit there and watch this young guy? Take orders from him?
Coaching staffs need to blend and work together. 1 voice. I think mike rice is a good coach. I think st. Jean can be. Who is in charge? Do these guys compliment each other?
Have you ever been around an organized basketball team before? Thinking that one assistant is going to be "giving orders" to another one is laughable even with how hands-off Mullin may be. Almost every other staff has at least two assistants that do advanced scouting and talk during film sessions. When it's GSJ's scout he will be the point man on the preparation for the upcoming game as it relates to the opponent's tendencies. When it's Rice's scout he will be the point man. It happens at every other program in the country without issue.
Having only one assistant capable of these things over the past 3 years is a legitimate gripe with Mullin. I and many others (including you Tony) have been voicing the need for another quality assistant for almost 2 years now. Now that Mullin might actually do it you are just looking for a reason it might not be a good idea just because you don't like Mullin.
MDS is real folks.
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I think rice should be hired to replace st. Jean. I think another coach should be hired to replace Mitch and work with rice.
I have been on HS football staffs with very good coaches that didn’t mesh. Especially with hands off head coaches. The linebacker coach (who may be a great coach and excellent defensive coordinator) is a terrible linebacker coach if he doesn’t mesh with the current defenses coordinator. A lesser coach could be better just by playing his role. That is my point.
St. Jean in my opinion is over his head. I think he needs to be replaced. If not replaced hire someone who will support him. Maybe rice could be that guy. But I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.
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I think rice should be hired to replace st. Jean. I think another coach should be hired to replace Mitch and work with rice.
I have been on HS football staffs with very good coaches that didn’t mesh. Especially with hands off head coaches. The linebacker coach (who may be a great coach and excellent defensive coordinator) is a terrible linebacker coach if he doesn’t mesh with the current defenses coordinator. A lesser coach could be better just by playing his role. That is my point.
There is absolutely zero reason to believe Rice and GSJ wouldn't get along or that Rice would get along better with another random assistant than he would with St. Jean.
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St. Jean in my opinion is over his head. I think he needs to be replaced. If not replaced hire someone who will support him. Maybe rice could be that guy. But I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.
GSJ isn't going to get replaced. They will hire somebody to support him. Mike Rice happens to be a former successful head coach that knows the game well, so there are probably not many guys more qualified than him willing to come here. And again, there's absolutely no reason to believe any other potential replacement would get along better or worse with GSJ than Rice would. It's completely baseless speculation for which the motivations are very clear
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Maybe it works . I said in the beginning that it was the best idea yet. Wish they would have done it from the beginning.
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I think rice should be hired to replace st. Jean. I think another coach should be hired to replace Mitch and work with rice.
I have been on HS football staffs with very good coaches that didn’t mesh. Especially with hands off head coaches. The linebacker coach (who may be a great coach and excellent defensive coordinator) is a terrible linebacker coach if he doesn’t mesh with the current defenses coordinator. A lesser coach could be better just by playing his role. That is my point.
There is absolutely zero reason to believe Rice and GSJ wouldn't get along or that Rice would get along better with another random assistant than he would with St. Jean.
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St. Jean in my opinion is over his head. I think he needs to be replaced. If not replaced hire someone who will support him. Maybe rice could be that guy. But I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.
GSJ isn't going to get replaced. They will hire somebody to support him. Mike Rice happens to be a former successful head coach that knows the game well, so there are probably not many guys more qualified than him willing to come here. And again, there's absolutely no reason to believe any other potential replacement would get along better or worse with GSJ than Rice would. It's completely baseless speculation for which the motivations are very clear
There is absolutely a reason to believe that Rice wouldn't get along with St.Jean.
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I think rice should be hired to replace st. Jean. I think another coach should be hired to replace Mitch and work with rice.
I have been on HS football staffs with very good coaches that didn’t mesh. Especially with hands off head coaches. The linebacker coach (who may be a great coach and excellent defensive coordinator) is a terrible linebacker coach if he doesn’t mesh with the current defenses coordinator. A lesser coach could be better just by playing his role. That is my point.
There is absolutely zero reason to believe Rice and GSJ wouldn't get along or that Rice would get along better with another random assistant than he would with St. Jean.
I
St. Jean in my opinion is over his head. I think he needs to be replaced. If not replaced hire someone who will support him. Maybe rice could be that guy. But I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.
GSJ isn't going to get replaced. They will hire somebody to support him. Mike Rice happens to be a former successful head coach that knows the game well, so there are probably not many guys more qualified than him willing to come here. And again, there's absolutely no reason to believe any other potential replacement would get along better or worse with GSJ than Rice would. It's completely baseless speculation for which the motivations are very clear
There is absolutely a reason to believe that Rice wouldn't get along with St.Jean.
Learn how to count to 4 before making more baseless statements
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I think rice should be hired to replace st. Jean. I think another coach should be hired to replace Mitch and work with rice.
I have been on HS football staffs with very good coaches that didn’t mesh. Especially with hands off head coaches. The linebacker coach (who may be a great coach and excellent defensive coordinator) is a terrible linebacker coach if he doesn’t mesh with the current defenses coordinator. A lesser coach could be better just by playing his role. That is my point.
There is absolutely zero reason to believe Rice and GSJ wouldn't get along or that Rice would get along better with another random assistant than he would with St. Jean.
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St. Jean in my opinion is over his head. I think he needs to be replaced. If not replaced hire someone who will support him. Maybe rice could be that guy. But I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.
GSJ isn't going to get replaced. They will hire somebody to support him. Mike Rice happens to be a former successful head coach that knows the game well, so there are probably not many guys more qualified than him willing to come here. And again, there's absolutely no reason to believe any other potential replacement would get along better or worse with GSJ than Rice would. It's completely baseless speculation for which the motivations are very clear
There is absolutely a reason to believe that Rice wouldn't get along with St.Jean.
Learn how to count to 4 before making more baseless statements
Lol Didn't you know he's an elitist?
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I think rice should be hired to replace st. Jean. I think another coach should be hired to replace Mitch and work with rice.
I have been on HS football staffs with very good coaches that didn’t mesh. Especially with hands off head coaches. The linebacker coach (who may be a great coach and excellent defensive coordinator) is a terrible linebacker coach if he doesn’t mesh with the current defenses coordinator. A lesser coach could be better just by playing his role. That is my point.
There is absolutely zero reason to believe Rice and GSJ wouldn't get along or that Rice would get along better with another random assistant than he would with St. Jean.
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St. Jean in my opinion is over his head. I think he needs to be replaced. If not replaced hire someone who will support him. Maybe rice could be that guy. But I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.
GSJ isn't going to get replaced. They will hire somebody to support him. Mike Rice happens to be a former successful head coach that knows the game well, so there are probably not many guys more qualified than him willing to come here. And again, there's absolutely no reason to believe any other potential replacement would get along better or worse with GSJ than Rice would. It's completely baseless speculation for which the motivations are very clear
There is absolutely a reason to believe that Rice wouldn't get along with St.Jean.
Learn how to count to 4 before making more baseless statements
Mike Rice was fired from Rutgers with cause. Learn what words mean before you use them smart guy.
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I think rice should be hired to replace st. Jean. I think another coach should be hired to replace Mitch and work with rice.
I have been on HS football staffs with very good coaches that didn’t mesh. Especially with hands off head coaches. The linebacker coach (who may be a great coach and excellent defensive coordinator) is a terrible linebacker coach if he doesn’t mesh with the current defenses coordinator. A lesser coach could be better just by playing his role. That is my point.
There is absolutely zero reason to believe Rice and GSJ wouldn't get along or that Rice would get along better with another random assistant than he would with St. Jean.
I
St. Jean in my opinion is over his head. I think he needs to be replaced. If not replaced hire someone who will support him. Maybe rice could be that guy. But I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.
GSJ isn't going to get replaced. They will hire somebody to support him. Mike Rice happens to be a former successful head coach that knows the game well, so there are probably not many guys more qualified than him willing to come here. And again, there's absolutely no reason to believe any other potential replacement would get along better or worse with GSJ than Rice would. It's completely baseless speculation for which the motivations are very clear
There is absolutely a reason to believe that Rice wouldn't get along with St.Jean.
Learn how to count to 4 before making more baseless statements
Lol Didn't you know he's an elitist?
Damn right
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I think st. Jean coaches the team for the most part. I think he runs most of the practices. I think he is in charge of the walk throughs. I think he is the man speaking during film sessions. Now he loses much of his authority? Mike rice is going to sit there and watch this young guy? Take orders from him?
The way you claim Chris Mullin and Mitch Richmond do you mean?
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I think st. Jean coaches the team for the most part. I think he runs most of the practices. I think he is in charge of the walk throughs. I think he is the man speaking during film sessions. Now he loses much of his authority? Mike rice is going to sit there and watch this young guy? Take orders from him?
The way you claim Chris Mullin and Mitch Richmond do you mean?
Don’t understand
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If Mike Rice wants to Coach again at a Major level, he probably needs to set his sights on a Juco, Div 2 or a Assistant’s position for some NBA team. It’s hard to fathom why anyone , at any Position in the St John’s Administration would remotely consider Rice for a job here . Since Rice was let go by Rutgers for abusive behavior towards his Players , not 1 Major Program has offered him a job . Why would anyone remotely think Rice should be here at St John’s? Maybe Rice and Fred Hill,and also a Fired Rutgers Coach could be a package Deal somewhere ? But, where ? Their knowledge of Basketball is not the issue but, their history is and should be . Plus , as I recall , neither Hill or Rice brought anything to Rutgers that could be considered a positive .
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I think st. Jean coaches the team for the most part. I think he runs most of the practices. I think he is in charge of the walk throughs. I think he is the man speaking during film sessions. Now he loses much of his authority? Mike rice is going to sit there and watch this young guy? Take orders from him?
The way you claim Chris Mullin and Mitch Richmond do you mean?
Don’t understand
No kidding.
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I think st. Jean coaches the team for the most part. I think he runs most of the practices. I think he is in charge of the walk throughs. I think he is the man speaking during film sessions. Now he loses much of his authority? Mike rice is going to sit there and watch this young guy? Take orders from him?
The way you claim Chris Mullin and Mitch Richmond do you mean?
Don’t understand
No kidding.
Still don’t understand your joke. I am sure it’s incredibly funny.
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If Mike Rice wants to Coach again at a Major level, he probably needs to set his sights on a Juco, Div 2 or a Assistant’s position for some NBA team. It’s hard to fathom why anyone , at any Position in the St John’s Administration would remotely consider Rice for a job here . Since Rice was let go by Rutgers for abusive behavior towards his Players , not 1 Major Program has offered him a job . Why would anyone remotely think Rice should be here at St John’s? Maybe Rice and Fred Hill,and also a Fired Rutgers Coach could be a package Deal somewhere ? But, where ? Their knowledge of Basketball is not the issue but, their history is and should be . Plus , as I recall , neither Hill or Rice brought anything to Rutgers that could be considered a positive .
Dead wrong on Rice’s options and SJU administration’s position
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Other high majors have most often definitely looked into Rice, including Seton Hall. Parents and advisors of top ranked teenage basketball players have had no qualms sending their kids to play for Rice at the AAU and HS level. There will be some attention to the Rutgers stuff at first, if he is in fact hired, but I don't see it being a huge issue from a negative recruiting standpoint.
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I think st. Jean coaches the team for the most part. I think he runs most of the practices. I think he is in charge of the walk throughs. I think he is the man speaking during film sessions. Now he loses much of his authority? Mike rice is going to sit there and watch this young guy? Take orders from him?
The way you claim Chris Mullin and Mitch Richmond do you mean?
Don’t understand
No kidding.
Still don’t understand your joke. I am sure it’s incredibly funny.
It wasn't a joke, I was pointing out how dumb your statement was. You say that St Jean coaches the games and runs the practices and is in charge of the film sessions. Then you ask incredulously why Mike Rice would stand there and watch St Jean do that and take orders from him. If as you say NBA HOF'ers Mitch Richmond and Chris Mullin stand there and watch St Jean and take orders from him, why would not disgraced former coach Mike Rice not do the same thing? See stupid? All of that cannot be true, and yet you believe it's all true.
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Other high majors have most often definitely looked into Rice, including Seton Hall. Parents and advisors of top ranked teenage basketball players have had no qualms sending their kids to play for Rice at the AAU and HS level. There will be some attention to the Rutgers stuff at first, if he is in fact hired, but I don't see it being a huge issue from a negative recruiting standpoint.
+1
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I think st. Jean coaches the team for the most part. I think he runs most of the practices. I think he is in charge of the walk throughs. I think he is the man speaking during film sessions. Now he loses much of his authority? Mike rice is going to sit there and watch this young guy? Take orders from him?
The way you claim Chris Mullin and Mitch Richmond do you mean?
Don’t understand
No kidding.
Still don’t understand your joke. I am sure it’s incredibly funny.
It wasn't a joke, I was pointing out how dumb your statement was. You say that St Jean coaches the games and runs the practices and is in charge of the film sessions. Then you ask incredulously why Mike Rice would stand there and watch St Jean do that and take orders from him. If as you say NBA HOF'ers Mitch Richmond and Chris Mullin stand there and watch St Jean and take orders from him, why would not disgraced former coach Mike Rice not do the same thing? See stupid? All of that cannot be true, and yet you believe it's all true.
If the hall of farmers know what they are doing, why do we need mike rice? And why is st. Jean so animated during games while the dream team look dazed and confused? Telling someone to “shut the fxck up” or constantly crying at the referees is not exactly coaching. UFOAD! That name still makes me laugh
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One thing I will say, I do know someone who is a manger of the team and he did tell me that St. Jean does in fact run every single practice.
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Looks like Coach Mitch finally took a break from the recruiting trail and presented the Warriors the with the Western Conference Championship Trophy.
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Looks like Coach Mitch finally took a break from the recruiting trail and presented the Warriors the with the Western Conference Championship Trophy.
Yeah he looked exhausted from all that travel and long hours.
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Looks like Coach Mitch finally took a break from the recruiting trail and presented the Warriors the with the Western Conference Championship Trophy.
Hey I’ll take it. Mark Jackson mentioned Mullin during the Cavs-Celtics game Sunday. 2 hall of fame mentions on back to back conference final days, can’t hurt. But hasn’t seem like it has helped much either.
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So I can share some convos I've had with Rice about St. Jean. Rice has attended a practice and he was really impressed with the way St. Jean ran practice, drills he had them doing, and knew what he was doing. He saw the NBA background immediately. There is a strong respect there.
I've also had a lot of philosophical basketball discussions with St. Jean and I also share a respect for his knowledge and passion for the game.
What I think Mike Rice has that St. Jean doesn't is experience and overall the ability to bond with players. There are things that Rice has experienced going through the ringer 1000 times where St. Jean may know what to do, he might get there slower, or not at all just due to never doing it before.
From RMU to Rutgers to Team Rio Rice's players love him and would run through a wall for him. Rice certainly embraces the closeness to the players where I haven't personally seen that yet with St. Jean and our guys. Again not to say it doesn't exist but I think that level of Coach/Player rapport comes with more experience.
Think of it in your first job as a manager level and dealing with subordinates? Were you super smooth? Did you have some bumps? I think the connectivity has improved but you need it even more at Big East level.
Not to say Rice is the only answer but he's a damn good one with or without his current crop of players he coaches. They are an added benefit if they would follow him.
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Dave,
Thank you for the insight.
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So I can share some convos I've had with Rice about St. Jean. Rice has attended a practice and he was really impressed with the way St. Jean ran practice, drills he had them doing, and knew what he was doing. He saw the NBA background immediately. There is a strong respect there.
I've also had a lot of philosophical basketball discussions with St. Jean and I also share a respect for his knowledge and passion for the game.
What I think Mike Rice has that St. Jean doesn't is experience and overall the ability to bond with players. There are things that Rice has experienced going through the ringer 1000 times where St. Jean may know what to do, he might get there slower, or not at all just due to never doing it before.
From RMU to Rutgers to Team Rio Rice's players love him and would run through a wall for him. Rice certainly embraces the closeness to the players where I haven't personally seen that yet with St. Jean and our guys. Again not to say it doesn't exist but I think that level of Coach/Player rapport comes with more experience.
Think of it in your first job as a manager level and dealing with subordinates? Were you super smooth? Did you have some bumps? I think the connectivity has improved but you need it even more at Big East level.
Not to say Rice is the only answer but he's a damn good one with or without his current crop of players he coaches. They are an added benefit if they would follow him.
So is this happening?
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So I can share some convos I've had with Rice about St. Jean. Rice has attended a practice and he was really impressed with the way St. Jean ran practice, drills he had them doing, and knew what he was doing. He saw the NBA background immediately. There is a strong respect there.
I've also had a lot of philosophical basketball discussions with St. Jean and I also share a respect for his knowledge and passion for the game.
What I think Mike Rice has that St. Jean doesn't is experience and overall the ability to bond with players. There are things that Rice has experienced going through the ringer 1000 times where St. Jean may know what to do, he might get there slower, or not at all just due to never doing it before.
From RMU to Rutgers to Team Rio Rice's players love him and would run through a wall for him. Rice certainly embraces the closeness to the players where I haven't personally seen that yet with St. Jean and our guys. Again not to say it doesn't exist but I think that level of Coach/Player rapport comes with more experience.
Think of it in your first job as a manager level and dealing with subordinates? Were you super smooth? Did you have some bumps? I think the connectivity has improved but you need it even more at Big East level.
Not to say Rice is the only answer but he's a damn good one with or without his current crop of players he coaches. They are an added benefit if they would follow him.
So is this happening?
No clue. My personal thoughts are if it hasn't happened already then it's most likely not happening.
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Unless the plan was to wait until after his AAU summer season ended.
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Unless the plan was to wait until after his AAU summer season ended.
This would make the most sense but I don't give St. John's the benefit of the doubt for doing logical things.
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I can’t disagree w your last post,Dave.
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Unless the plan was to wait until after his AAU summer season ended.
This would make the most sense but I don't give St. John's the benefit of the doubt for doing logical things.
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Looks like Coach Mitch finally took a break from the recruiting trail and presented the Warriors the with the Western Conference Championship Trophy.
Hey I’ll take it. Mark Jackson mentioned Mullin during the Cavs-Celtics game Sunday. 2 hall of fame mentions on back to back conference final days, can’t hurt. But hasn’t seem like it has helped much either.
Sorry but it doesn't matter as much as we all hoped it would. Kids these days probably never heard of either. They have tunnel vision and see the current product. Put players in the Association and that will relate
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Any update on rice? Do our insiders still expect to see some type of shakeup on our staff?
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Not an “insider”, but gut says staffing change will happen this summer. I would not be surprised if Mitch moved back to old special assistant gig or Greg got an NBA gig, but last point is just conjecture.
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And if so do you think it would be Rice or .... ?
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If Rice honors his obligations Team Rio's schedule runs through Summer Session II on campus with our guys. There's plenty of time for development and coaching left, especially in the Fall, but bonding time lost with the current roster nonetheless. As far as recruiting efforts, our top 2 arguably 3 2019 targets are on his current bench so not bad letting the +/- offset.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ifeaRgWFcfttUs8mCC7RJ_rx0YSkcchodqjcCuMp0ys/edit
July 7-8 Practice Weekend
July 10-14 UAA III, Atlanta, GA (NCAA Live) (ALL TEAMS)
July 18-20 Hoop Group Elite II, (NCAA Live) Albright College (ALL PLAYERS)
July 21-22, West Coast Elite 100, (NCAA Live) Los Angeles, California
July 25-29, Fab 48 16/17U, Las Vegas, Nevada (TEAM TBA)
July 25-27, Live in AC, 16/17U, Atlantic City (TEAM TBA)
July 25-29, 17U Rice UAA Championships, Las Vegas, Nevada
All D1 2018-19 hires can become official next week. I'm guessing that we'd be tampering and violating rules if he juggled both, so a handshake agreement is likely in place with a early August announcement forthcoming. Again this is me taking a stab at things, if anyone wants to add to this assessment feel free.
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I'm guessing you're right, QuanMan.
Why would you take on the baggage that comes with Mike Rice without knowing that the negative recruiting that it will allow our opponents to engage in will be offset by positive recruits? We're not running a rehabilitation center here.
Mike Rice won't be walking through that door without a couple of his Team Rio kids walking through with him.
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Why would you take on the baggage that comes with Mike Rice without knowing that the negative recruiting that it will allow our opponents to engage in
I don't know whether Rice is a good fit or not or anything about him at all. But really how much negative recruiting could anyone do. Psst, kid, better not go to St John's, six years ago one of the assistant coaches called a player a fag and threw a ball at his head. That's not exactly Lou has cancer.
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Why would you take on the baggage that comes with Mike Rice without knowing that the negative recruiting that it will allow our opponents to engage in
I don't know whether Rice is a good fit or not or anything about him at all. But really how much negative recruiting could anyone do. Psst, kid, better not go to St John's, six years ago one of the assistant coaches called a player a fag and threw a ball at his head. That's not exactly Lou has cancer.
People learn from their mistakes. Coach Chris is a prime example with his drinking problem. Rice would face more negative criticism from rival AAU coaches than anything he would face on collegiate level. When one sees the players that he "recruits" for his AAU team, it seems probable that he has changed his ways (which were horrible as Rutgers coach) and grown from that. Hire him and pray to St. Jude (patron saint of desperate cases and lost causes--a match for Redmen basketball)
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So I can share some convos I've had with Rice about St. Jean. Rice has attended a practice and he was really impressed with the way St. Jean ran practice, drills he had them doing, and knew what he was doing. He saw the NBA background immediately. There is a strong respect there.
I've also had a lot of philosophical basketball discussions with St. Jean and I also share a respect for his knowledge and passion for the game.
What I think Mike Rice has that St. Jean doesn't is experience and overall the ability to bond with players. There are things that Rice has experienced going through the ringer 1000 times where St. Jean may know what to do, he might get there slower, or not at all just due to never doing it before.
From RMU to Rutgers to Team Rio Rice's players love him and would run through a wall for him. Rice certainly embraces the closeness to the players where I haven't personally seen that yet with St. Jean and our guys. Again not to say it doesn't exist but I think that level of Coach/Player rapport comes with more experience.
Think of it in your first job as a manager level and dealing with subordinates? Were you super smooth? Did you have some bumps? I think the connectivity has improved but you need it even more at Big East level.
Not to say Rice is the only answer but he's a damn good one with or without his current crop of players he coaches. They are an added benefit if they would follow him.
So is this happening?
No clue. My personal thoughts are if it hasn't happened already then it's most likely not happening.
I agree. But why ? If not Rice then who. This is the strangest organization I've ever encountered and after almost 60 years it's getting real tiresome.
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Derk, have you read the last page of entries?
The consensus is that Rice will be here as soon as his AAU season is over at the end of July.
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Derk, have you read the last page of entries?
The consensus is that Rice will be here as soon as his AAU season is over at the end of July.
Why is that? Isn’t it way more important to be with a college team instead of a glorified little league team.
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Derk, have you read the last page of entries?
The consensus is that Rice will be here as soon as his AAU season is over at the end of July.
Why is that? Isn’t it way more important to be with a college team instead of a glorified little league team.
The biggest time for AAU basketball is July. There is no reason for him to join the staff before then. If he is indeed eventually joining the staff, it is best for both him and program to have him on the sidelines coaching our top 2 targets during the July AAU period rather than watching them from the bleachers
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Derk, have you read the last page of entries?
The consensus is that Rice will be here as soon as his AAU season is over at the end of July.
Why is that? Isn’t it way more important to be with a college team instead of a glorified little league team.
The biggest time for AAU basketball is July. There is no reason for him to join the staff before then. If he is indeed eventually joining the staff, it is best for both him and program to have him on the sidelines coaching our top 2 targets during the July AAU period rather than watching them from the bleachers
Not arguing. Asking. What are college coaches allowed to do over summer?
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They're not allowed to coach AAU teams.
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They're not allowed to coach AAU teams.
D3 college coaches can.
D1 coaches have players in summer class, have to schedule games for upcoming seasons, practice plan, recruit, run camps. There is enough work on the table.
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They're not allowed to coach AAU teams.
D3 college coaches can.
D1 coaches have players in summer class, have to schedule games for upcoming seasons, practice plan, recruit, run camps. There is enough work on the table.
when does our summer camp start ?
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They're not allowed to coach AAU teams.
D3 college coaches can.
D1 coaches have players in summer class, have to schedule games for upcoming seasons, practice plan, recruit, run camps. There is enough work on the table.
Which of these is Mitch doing?
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What exactly has occurred that lead this board to believe that Rice is even in consideration?
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What exactly has occurred that lead this board to believe that Rice is even in consideration?
Someone suggested that the only reason it hasn't happened is that he is finishing up coaching his AAU team, as if that is the delay in making an announcement. Throw in some predictions from the so called guru's and a ever hungry fan base that assumes it's all done. Sheer folly.
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What exactly has occurred that lead this board to believe that Rice is even in consideration?
do you actually read this board?
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What exactly has occurred that lead this board to believe that Rice is even in consideration?
do you actually read this board?
If read you mean all the speculation and conjecture then yes.
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What exactly has occurred that lead this board to believe that Rice is even in consideration?
do you actually read this board?
If read you mean all the speculation and conjecture then yes.
So than you answered your own question. We get it from reading the speculation and conjecture on this board.
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From zach b:
St. John's assistant Matt Abdelmassih and Greg St. Jean will rotate at Peach Jam, Adidas and Under Armour events. Luca Virgilio will also be on road this week in place of Mitch Richmond. #sjubb
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And also...
I was told not to read into who is or isn't on road
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And also...
I was told not to read into who is or isn't on road
Too bad. Would like to read into it.
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Mitch Richmond the only no show coaching job in the country.
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From zach b:
St. John's assistant Matt Abdelmassih and Greg St. Jean will rotate at Peach Jam, Adidas and Under Armour events. Luca Virgilio will also be on road this week in place of Mitch Richmond. #sjubb
Hard to determine the true value that Richmond brings to the program; it's clear though that we are not able to maximize his presence.
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From zach b:
St. John's assistant Matt Abdelmassih and Greg St. Jean will rotate at Peach Jam, Adidas and Under Armour events. Luca Virgilio will also be on road this week in place of Mitch Richmond. #sjubb
Hard to determine the true value that Richmond brings to the program; it's clear though that we are not able to maximize his presence.
It's also clear that Luca Virgilio, just a few years removed from being a grad assistant, should not be relied upon to be out on the road recruiting.
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Luca has a lot of potential, especially internationally.
But it is a joke that he’s on the road unless a late summer new hire is already locked up.
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
They have both proven to be useless to this point.
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
Get real. When was the last time Mitch was on the recruiting trail????
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Ok maybe he is. Then why is Mitch a coach instead of him?
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
Get real. When was the last time Mitch was on the recruiting trail????
The question was who would you rather have out recruiting.
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
Get real. When was the last time Mitch was on the recruiting trail????
The question was who would you rather have out recruiting.
The question is a dream, hasn’t happened and never will. So having an extra body who is willing to go out is better than Mitch getting paid and doing shit.
We will all agree it’s a shame. Wasted opportunity.
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In addition to the other reports out there but Mullin will be on the road in Atlanta this week too.
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
Get real. When was the last time Mitch was on the recruiting trail????
As I've said a few times, Mitch makes his $ speaking at or showing up to corporate events and autograph/memorabilia signings. He makes more than we pay him and has a very extensive travel schedule. It's in his interest and our's to move him back to a special advisor role and hire an experienced assistant like Rice. I expect this to be finalized before the school year begins.
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
Get real. When was the last time Mitch was on the recruiting trail????
As I've said a few times, Mitch makes his $ speaking at or showing up to corporate events and autograph/memorabilia signings. He makes more than we pay him and has a very extensive travel schedule. It's in his interest and our's to move him back to a special advisor role and hire an experienced assistant like Rice. I expect this to be finalized before the school year begins.
If this is true or has any truth to it, This is the most pathetic reason yet. Sorry coach Mullin, I can't even attempt to do my job because I make more money somewhere else. But I still want to get paid fully, even though I kind of suck when I do show up. However, i may take a diminished role but certainly not a pay cut if we could pry away the experienced coach who has no other suitors while he finishes up coaching little league. Trust the process!
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
Get real. When was the last time Mitch was on the recruiting trail????
As I've said a few times, Mitch makes his $ speaking at or showing up to corporate events and autograph/memorabilia signings. He makes more than we pay him and has a very extensive travel schedule. It's in his interest and our's to move him back to a special advisor role and hire an experienced assistant like Rice. I expect this to be finalized before the school year begins.
If this is true or has any truth to it, This is the most pathetic reason yet. Sorry coach Mullin, I can't even attempt to do my job because I make more money somewhere else. But I still want to get paid fully, even though I kind of suck when I do show up. However, i may take a diminished role but certainly not a pay cut if we could pry away the experienced coach who has no other suitors while he finishes up coaching little league. Trust the process!
Richmond's value is being around the program. We don't have the roster we currently have without him. Simple as that. Matt A is the coaching equivalent of a Designated Hitter. He contributes nothing to the coaching of the team and is a recruiter plain and simple. Matt brings them in and Mullin and Mitch close the deal. I strongly believe Mitch will go back to his old role and a new assistant will be named. That would be huge for the program. No other program has two guys like Mullin and Richmond.
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
Get real. When was the last time Mitch was on the recruiting trail????
As I've said a few times, Mitch makes his $ speaking at or showing up to corporate events and autograph/memorabilia signings. He makes more than we pay him and has a very extensive travel schedule. It's in his interest and our's to move him back to a special advisor role and hire an experienced assistant like Rice. I expect this to be finalized before the school year begins.
If this is true or has any truth to it, This is the most pathetic reason yet. Sorry coach Mullin, I can't even attempt to do my job because I make more money somewhere else. But I still want to get paid fully, even though I kind of suck when I do show up. However, i may take a diminished role but certainly not a pay cut if we could pry away the experienced coach who has no other suitors while he finishes up coaching little league. Trust the process!
Richmond's value is being around the program. We don't have the roster we currently have without him. Simple as that. Matt A is the coaching equivalent of a Designated Hitter. He contributes nothing to the coaching of the team and is a recruiter plain and simple. Matt brings them in and Mullin and Mitch close the deal. I strongly believe Mitch will go back to his old role and a new assistant will be named. That would be huge for the program. No other program has two guys like Mullin and Richmond.
Agree. The problem is it hasn’t worked. Pretending it has worked or will work in the future is the issue. From memory have to win 8 games in big east just to tie norm after 4 years.
Mullin this off season seems to be visible. That is a huge positive. That should have been there from the beginning.
If everything works out we could have a special season this year. Equal chance in my mind we play Wednesday night in the big east . Mustpha can be all big east or never play a second.
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
Get real. When was the last time Mitch was on the recruiting trail????
As I've said a few times, Mitch makes his $ speaking at or showing up to corporate events and autograph/memorabilia signings. He makes more than we pay him and has a very extensive travel schedule. It's in his interest and our's to move him back to a special advisor role and hire an experienced assistant like Rice. I expect this to be finalized before the school year begins.
If this is true or has any truth to it, This is the most pathetic reason yet. Sorry coach Mullin, I can't even attempt to do my job because I make more money somewhere else. But I still want to get paid fully, even though I kind of suck when I do show up. However, i may take a diminished role but certainly not a pay cut if we could pry away the experienced coach who has no other suitors while he finishes up coaching little league. Trust the process!
Richmond's value is being around the program. We don't have the roster we currently have without him. Simple as that. Matt A is the coaching equivalent of a Designated Hitter. He contributes nothing to the coaching of the team and is a recruiter plain and simple. Matt brings them in and Mullin and Mitch close the deal. I strongly believe Mitch will go back to his old role and a new assistant will be named. That would be huge for the program. No other program has two guys like Mullin and Richmond.
Ummm...huh? Can you please elaborate Mitch's value from being around the team and how exactly we wouldn't have the current roster without him? Thanks
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
Get real. When was the last time Mitch was on the recruiting trail????
As I've said a few times, Mitch makes his $ speaking at or showing up to corporate events and autograph/memorabilia signings. He makes more than we pay him and has a very extensive travel schedule. It's in his interest and our's to move him back to a special advisor role and hire an experienced assistant like Rice. I expect this to be finalized before the school year begins.
If this is true or has any truth to it, This is the most pathetic reason yet. Sorry coach Mullin, I can't even attempt to do my job because I make more money somewhere else. But I still want to get paid fully, even though I kind of suck when I do show up. However, i may take a diminished role but certainly not a pay cut if we could pry away the experienced coach who has no other suitors while he finishes up coaching little league. Trust the process!
Richmond's value is being around the program. We don't have the roster we currently have without him. Simple as that. Matt A is the coaching equivalent of a Designated Hitter. He contributes nothing to the coaching of the team and is a recruiter plain and simple. Matt brings them in and Mullin and Mitch close the deal. I strongly believe Mitch will go back to his old role and a new assistant will be named. That would be huge for the program. No other program has two guys like Mullin and Richmond.
Ummm...huh? Can you please elaborate Mitch's value from being around the team and how exactly we wouldn't have the current roster without him? Thanks
Ummmmmmmmmmmm..........which part do you struggle with exactly, Rumors?
We have one black coach in a sport that is 90% black. That one black coach happens to be an NBA Hall of Famer whose presence and potential tutelage has been cited as a factor for all of our players to commit. But I'm sure you have inside info that they were lying, right? I mean who would want to learn from two NBA Hall of Famers? That's just crazy talk.
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While I would love to have a coach like Mike Rice on staff, it would be a VERY risky move to not have a diverse make up to the staff
Right, wrong or indifferent, it's an optic that can't not be ignored and all high level coaches are clearly aware it.
While it might be the right decision purely in terms of basketball coaching, I would highly doubt that St. John's goes into the season with no diversity on the staff.
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
Get real. When was the last time Mitch was on the recruiting trail????
As I've said a few times, Mitch makes his $ speaking at or showing up to corporate events and autograph/memorabilia signings. He makes more than we pay him and has a very extensive travel schedule. It's in his interest and our's to move him back to a special advisor role and hire an experienced assistant like Rice. I expect this to be finalized before the school year begins.
If this is true or has any truth to it, This is the most pathetic reason yet. Sorry coach Mullin, I can't even attempt to do my job because I make more money somewhere else. But I still want to get paid fully, even though I kind of suck when I do show up. However, i may take a diminished role but certainly not a pay cut if we could pry away the experienced coach who has no other suitors while he finishes up coaching little league. Trust the process!
Richmond's value is being around the program. We don't have the roster we currently have without him. Simple as that. Matt A is the coaching equivalent of a Designated Hitter. He contributes nothing to the coaching of the team and is a recruiter plain and simple. Matt brings them in and Mullin and Mitch close the deal. I strongly believe Mitch will go back to his old role and a new assistant will be named. That would be huge for the program. No other program has two guys like Mullin and Richmond.
Ummm...huh? Can you please elaborate Mitch's value from being around the team and how exactly we wouldn't have the current roster without him? Thanks
Ummmmmmmmmmmm..........which part do you struggle with exactly, Rumors?
We have one black coach in a sport that is 90% black. That one black coach happens to be an NBA Hall of Famer whose presence and potential tutelage has been cited as a factor for all of our players to commit. But I'm sure you have inside info that they were lying, right? I mean who would want to learn from two NBA Hall of Famers? That's just crazy talk.
Agreed that having a diverse coaching staff is imperative.. the rest is ignorant and arrogant. Congrats your pure stupidity has reached a zenith. If anyone would like to chat I'll continue to enjoy my pm conversations. As an aside Ponds would 100% not have been drafted nor given a 2-way g league deal.. and no 98% of these kids have NO idea who Mitch is..FACT... and Mitch has done literally Nothing to bring in a single kid
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Why is it clear that Luca Virgilio should not be relied upon to be out recruiting? What is the basis for that statement? Maybe he is a recruiting savant.
Dude get real. Luca is just a kid with absolutely no pull or influence to his name at this point. Would you rather have Mitch Richmond and his hall of fame ring on the recruiting trail or a kid who three years ago was helping out the bball team part time while attending grad school?
Get real. When was the last time Mitch was on the recruiting trail????
As I've said a few times, Mitch makes his $ speaking at or showing up to corporate events and autograph/memorabilia signings. He makes more than we pay him and has a very extensive travel schedule. It's in his interest and our's to move him back to a special advisor role and hire an experienced assistant like Rice. I expect this to be finalized before the school year begins.
If this is true or has any truth to it, This is the most pathetic reason yet. Sorry coach Mullin, I can't even attempt to do my job because I make more money somewhere else. But I still want to get paid fully, even though I kind of suck when I do show up. However, i may take a diminished role but certainly not a pay cut if we could pry away the experienced coach who has no other suitors while he finishes up coaching little league. Trust the process!
Richmond's value is being around the program. We don't have the roster we currently have without him. Simple as that. Matt A is the coaching equivalent of a Designated Hitter. He contributes nothing to the coaching of the team and is a recruiter plain and simple. Matt brings them in and Mullin and Mitch close the deal. I strongly believe Mitch will go back to his old role and a new assistant will be named. That would be huge for the program. No other program has two guys like Mullin and Richmond.
Ummm...huh? Can you please elaborate Mitch's value from being around the team and how exactly we wouldn't have the current roster without him? Thanks
Ummmmmmmmmmmm..........which part do you struggle with exactly, Rumors?
We have one black coach in a sport that is 90% black. That one black coach happens to be an NBA Hall of Famer whose presence and potential tutelage has been cited as a factor for all of our players to commit. But I'm sure you have inside info that they were lying, right? I mean who would want to learn from two NBA Hall of Famers? That's just crazy talk.
Agreed that having a diverse coaching staff is imperative.. the rest is ignorant and arrogant. Congrats your pure stupidity has reached a zenith. If anyone would like to chat I'll continue to enjoy my pm conversations. As an aside Ponds would 100% not have been drafted nor given a 2-way g league deal.. and no 98% of these kids have NO idea who Mitch is..FACT... and Mitch has done literally Nothing to bring in a single kid
I want the best staff we could get regardless of race. But, I think opposing coaches will point out that we have no black coaches , if that comes to pass, and it might be a problem. That said. I would swap Rice for Mitch in a heart beat.
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Crazy thought- replace Mitch with a qualified black coach.
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I just can't see having a second hall of fame coach as a detriment.
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Crazy thought- replace Mitch with a qualified black coach.
Nothing crazy about that BUT we need someone that can help with players too...
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Crazy thought- replace Mitch with a qualified black coach.
Nothing crazy about that BUT we need someone that can help with players too...
We have been arguing for awhile. I think our coach has been lax and had made plenty of poor choices due to inexperience. His staff, in my opinion has been his biggest shortcoming.
Louis Orr or someone willing to work and has some high level coaching experience wouldn’t be better.
You will get your wish. Mullin is back . Most likely Richmond also. We have talent next year. A Lavin season is possible. THEN WHAT?
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Crazy thought- replace Mitch with a qualified black coach.
Nothing crazy about that BUT we need someone that can help with players too...
We have been arguing for awhile. I think our coach has been lax and had made plenty of poor choices due to inexperience. His staff, in my opinion has been his biggest shortcoming.
Louis Orr or someone willing to work and has some high level coaching experience wouldn’t be better.
You will get your wish. Mullin is back . Most likely Richmond also. We have talent next year. A Lavin season is possible. THEN WHAT?
It's still hard to criticize Mullin because he is Mullin but no doubt he needs to replace Mitch with Rice or a guy like Orr because he needs someone to help coach as well as be a factor on the recruiting circuit to help Matt. I am not in the camp of bashing St. Jean because I feel he has a real bright future and has definite pedigree,
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Crazy thought- replace Mitch with a qualified black coach.
Nothing crazy about that BUT we need someone that can help with players too...
We have been arguing for awhile. I think our coach has been lax and had made plenty of poor choices due to inexperience. His staff, in my opinion has been his biggest shortcoming.
Louis Orr or someone willing to work and has some high level coaching experience wouldn’t be better.
You will get your wish. Mullin is back . Most likely Richmond also. We have talent next year. A Lavin season is possible. THEN WHAT?
Wait a second, you don't think someone like Louis Orr would have been a good hire..?
He checks almost every box you would need checked.
Ran own program - done
Add diversity - done
NCAA experience - done
Good coach - done
The guy was by far Ewing's best hire
You make it seem like "my wish" of Mullin being back was ever in question. There was never any doubt about that.
I just want to see St. John's have a successful program again in my lifetime...
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Maybe I wasn’t clear. I would absolutely be in favor of Louis Orr or someone like him .
Mullin coming Back SHOULD have been in question. The fact that it wasn’t is a problem. 9th place. Pg quitting another 2 guys transferring. 11 game losing streak. Top recruit leaves before season.Not a good season.
For St. John’s to be good. It is going to take effort. Nothing that happened 30 years ago matters. This hall of fame nonsense needs to stop.
So far In year 4, our coach seems to be more out there. Being Chris mullin is an attribute. He needs to capitalize on that more.
If he doesn’t finally fix his staff, I can’t understand how anyone could be in favor of him staying one more second.
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Maybe I wasn’t clear.
Or maybe just maybe nobody including anyone at SJU actually cares what you think....
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I know I don't care what he thinks.
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"my wish" of Mullin being back
I wish Mullin was black. Or at least identified as black.
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You guys are right . This season will turn out like a hallmark movie. Mitch and mullin leading us to the championship!
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BUMP! ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz! this board has been asleep so this post is like putting a mirror under it's nose to see if it is still alive. Hope everyone is having a great summer! :)
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Maybe I wasn’t clear. I would absolutely be in favor of Louis Orr or someone like him .
Mullin coming Back SHOULD have been in question. The fact that it wasn’t is a problem. 9th place. Pg quitting another 2 guys transferring. 11 game losing streak. Top recruit leaves before season.Not a good season.
For St. John’s to be good. It is going to take effort. Nothing that happened 30 years ago matters. This hall of fame nonsense needs to stop.
So far In year 4, our coach seems to be more out there. Being Chris mullin is an attribute. He needs to capitalize on that more.
If he doesn’t finally fix his staff, I can’t understand how anyone could be in favor of him staying one more second.
This reminds me of years ago when most Villanova fans were calling for Jay Wright to be fired after not doing much his first 3 years.
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Likely it appears
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Likely it appears
That would be great. Hope it happens.
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Likely it appears
Thanks--glad to see he and SJU waited until he completed his commitment to the AAU kids.
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I'm all for this hire regardless if any of the Team Rio targets follow him here but man that would make it a Grand Slam.
Put Rice in charge of the defense and hope he changes the team's identity on that end
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Likely it appears
Wow potentially fantastic news. If Rice can help in the recruitment of his team rio kids and improve the in game coaching this will be a great hire. Thanks for the info paultz.
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Mike Rice has been talked about as a guy who can bring NJ talent to Queens as well as a guy who can help the program establish a defensive system.
I would prefer if STJ knew which reason was the reason why they wanted him to join the staff.
From what I’ve seen of Rice at RU, his teams couldn’t score, but they competed on the defensive end and stayed in games with top ranked teams. That’s what I see if missing from our program. We play chicken shit defense. Mike Rice can fix that. He’s achieved a level of defense at RU that would make us a tournament team with our overall talent.
I’m cool with giving him a second chance. Some people grow up later in life than others. Here’s hoping that he’s the adult in the room now.
His talent as a coach is pretty clear to me. One day, who knows, he may be our head coach.
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Mike Rice has been talked about as a guy who can bring NJ talent to Queens as well as a guy who can help the program establish a defensive system.
I would prefer if STJ knew which reason was the reason why they wanted him to join the staff.
Why does it have to be one or the other? Can't they bring him on for both things?
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https://twitter.com/CoachMikeRice/status/1025095256193286144
Would this clinic violate NCAA employee rules? Might be a reason for the delay.
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https://twitter.com/CoachMikeRice/status/1025095256193286144
Would this clinic violate NCAA employee rules? Might be a reason for the delay.
Not the issue. Rice only went through an additional part of process earlier in week. Getting there it appears
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https://twitter.com/CoachMikeRice/status/1025095256193286144
Would this clinic violate NCAA employee rules? Might be a reason for the delay.
Not the issue. Rice only went through an additional part of process earlier in week. Getting there it appears
Very good Paultz thanks enjoy the wknd.
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Question for insiders. Would not having an ad create problems with finalizing a potentially polarizing hire like this? Really hoping this gets done soon.
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Question for insiders. Would not having an ad create problems with finalizing a potentially polarizing hire like this? Really hoping this gets done soon.
No
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Still dreaming of mike rice. Trust the process!
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Still dreaming of mike rice
Is it a wet one?
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Not sure that it’s Summer and news is slow, or that I am expecting bad news because I’m a SJU fan...Is there any movement on this?
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Yes
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Yes
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Yes
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There is movement
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Yes
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There is movement
Bowel?
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Is this still happening?
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That's a good question. The other forum has two threads on the topic ;D
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The other forum has two threads on the topic ;D
Longest stupidest thread in the history of that place, which is saying something. The same six dopes repeating the same four inanities over and over and poor senile TIS spastically clicking the Thank You button for each reply
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/u3qBYJ2Qgvs/hqdefault.jpg)
If it wasn't hilarious it'd be pathetic.
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The other forum has two threads on the topic ;D
Longest stupidest thread in the history of that place, which is saying something. The same six dopes repeating the same four inanities over and over and poor senile TIS spastically clicking the Thank You button for each reply
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/u3qBYJ2Qgvs/hqdefault.jpg)
If it wasn't hilarious it'd be pathetic.
Foady- is that a picture of you?
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Mike Rice update? Any day now...
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Mike Rice update? Any day now...
Ain't happening
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Mike Rice update? Any day now...
Ain't happening
What, the program ever getting on the right track?
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Mike Rice update? Any day now...
Ain't happening
Kinda figured as much.
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Mike Rice update? Any day now...
Ain't happening
Any inside knowledge to this or just speculation?
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Mike Rice update? Any day now...
Ain't happening
Any inside knowledge to this or just speculation?
I think he’s correct
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Mike Rice update? Any day now...
Ain't happening
Any inside knowledge to this or just speculation?
I think he’s correct
What happened? Even if we don't go with Rice the current staff construction cannot remain the same.
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Mike Rice update? Any day now...
Ain't happening
Any inside knowledge to this or just speculation?
It's September already basically. Mike Rice's AAU season has been over for a month already. If it was going to happen, it would have happened weeks ago
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Mike Rice update? Any day now...
Ain't happening
Any inside knowledge to this or just speculation?
I think he’s correct
Staff remaining status quo?
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Mike Rice update? Any day now...
Ain't happening
Any inside knowledge to this or just speculation?
I think he’s correct
Staff remaining status quo?
Perhaps a modest change
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Mike Rice update? Any day now...
Ain't happening
Any inside knowledge to this or just speculation?
I think he’s correct
Staff remaining status quo?
Perhaps a modest change
What is the modest change to the staff? No more flip flops?
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So my SJU senses were correct. But my Summer boredom is real.
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So what was behind the story of Rice joining the staff was actually wishful thinking? I mean it sounded as if he was in background check and only a matter of time, was that all made up? If not then what happened?
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So what was behind the story of Rice joining the staff was actually wishful thinking? I mean it sounded as if he was in background check and only a matter of time, was that all made up? If not then what happened?
Last year everyone went swanning to their divans over a rumor that an assistant coach was leaving. This year they did the same thing over a rumor that an assistant was coming. To me this is progress.
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I know paultz disagreed with my theory a few weeks ago but I still don't understand how a change like this could be made without an AD. Who's calling the shots here? Mullin? Gempeshaw?