6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: hnk on January 04, 2018, 08:06:58 AM
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Despite 0-3 in the Big East, the program is on the right track.. There are lots of plusses. Lots of improvements. Lots of help on the way. Obviously, right now the depth and rebounding are lacking. Right now, we have zero margin of error.
Rome was not built in a day.
The Big East is brutal and will continue to be.
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Despite 0-3 in the Big East, the program is on the right track.. There are lots of plusses. Lots of improvements. Lots of help on the way. Obviously, right now the depth and rebounding are lacking. Right now, we have zero margin of error.
Rome was not built in a day.
The Big East is brutal and will continue to be.
This is college basketball...there is no process. This team is a disappointment any way you slice it. The staff went into this season with two kids that could dribble and one of them is a known p*ssy that can be kept out two months with knee sprain.
We MIGHT add one conference win to last year's total. That's not progress.
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Sure there is a process. The team is being rebuilt form the basement up and next year the team looks very balanced and talented. I would have expect a 1-2 start even with Lovett playing. The lack of depth is on the staff but who would have expected Alibegone and Yakwe to not develop.
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Despite 0-3 in the Big East, the program is on the right track.. There are lots of plusses. Lots of improvements. Lots of help on the way. Obviously, right now the depth and rebounding are lacking. Right now, we have zero margin of error.
Rome was not built in a day.
The Big East is brutal and will continue to be.
This is college basketball...there is no process. This team is a disappointment any way you slice it. The staff went into this season with two kids that could dribble and one of them is a known p*ssy that can be kept out two months with knee sprain.
We MIGHT add one conference win to last year's total. That's not progress.
Back fasting again?
Teams that win in the NCAA are either loaded with 5 star talent or they have a consistent identity with 3 and 4 year guys supplemented by a star. We are getting very close to the latter.
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We lost to two good teams on the road and Providence shot 16 for 30 from 3. We’re a good team and the season is a long way from over.
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We lost to two good teams on the road and Providence shot 16 for 30 from 3. We’re a good team and the season is a long way from over.
Agree 100% with that but without Lovett back and soon,NIT is absolute best case.
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Despite 0-3 in the Big East, the program is on the right track.. There are lots of plusses. Lots of improvements. Lots of help on the way. Obviously, right now the depth and rebounding are lacking. Right now, we have zero margin of error.
Rome was not built in a day.
The Big East is brutal and will continue to be.
This is college basketball...there is no process. This team is a disappointment any way you slice it. The staff went into this season with two kids that could dribble and one of them is a known p*ssy that can be kept out two months with knee sprain.
We MIGHT add one conference win to last year's total. That's not progress.
Back fasting again?
Teams that win in the NCAA are either loaded with 5 star talent or they have a consistent identity with 3 and 4 year guys supplemented by a star. We are getting very close to the latter.
16 wins year three with two former top 40 recruits with five combined years in college and a redshirt junior that averaged double-digit minutes for a final four team is unacceptable. And somebody tell me how Abdelmassih still has no idea how to coach after a decade + being around college staffs? Jesus Christ, I could be confidently performing root canals if I shadowed a dentist half as long yet that hobbit doesnt even pretend to be involved in game?
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Last 2 games the bench has contributed nothing. 0 points and 1 rebound. Almost impossible to do.
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tariq Owens (my favorite player) took 5 3’s last night. On what other team would that be allowed? Trust the process- poor defense- poor rebounding- terrible shot selection- that has been this team for 3 years. That is the truth .
Amar- still in the team- Mullins fault - Amar - hasn’t gotten any better- Mullins fault- Amar - hasn’t been recruited over - Mullins fault- Amar- terrible shooter- always has the green light- Mullins fault
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Last 2 games the bench has contributed nothing. 0 points and 1 rebound. Almost impossible to do.
I'll never understand that insane amount of time Amar got in the 2nd half. It was where the game was lost, if I'm Yakwe I'm absolutely pissed.
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tariq Owens (my favorite player) took 5 3’s last night. On what other team would that be allowed?
On any other team that allows 40 percent 3 point shooters to shoot. Sorry, I forgot, stats don't matter, only your vague impressions matter.
Amar- still in the team- Mullins fault - Amar - hasn’t gotten any better- Mullins fault- Amar - hasn’t been recruited over - Mullins fault- Amar- terrible shooter- always has the green light- Mullins fault
Amar, recruited by Lavin. Amar, recruited by Lavin. Amar, recruited by Lavin. Amar, recruited by Lavin. Mullin's fault.
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tariq Owens (my favorite player) took 5 3’s last night. On what other team would that be allowed?
On any other team that allows 40 percent 3 point shooters to shoot. Sorry, I forgot, stats don't matter, only your vague impressions matter.
Amar- still in the team- Mullins fault - Amar - hasn’t gotten any better- Mullins fault- Amar - hasn’t been recruited over - Mullins fault- Amar- terrible shooter- always has the green light- Mullins fault
Amar, recruited by Lavin. Amar, recruited by Lavin. Amar, recruited by Lavin. Amar, recruited by Lavin. Mullin's fault.
Sample size foady. Amar, French guy, and Harvard kid on Lavin. Still would take Lavin back in a heartbeat, well aware he isn’t that good. Would be happy with any Hurley, DANNY, Bobby, Dad, or even Mom ( I am sure she is tougher then what we have).
We are 0-3, with ponds, Simon, Clarke and Owens. Those are good likable players. Are they artest, postell, chudney, and bootsey? Maybe not. Shouldn’t be 0-5 vs good teams.shouldnt be winless in conference.
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tariq Owens (my favorite player) took 5 3’s last night. On what other team would that be allowed?
On any other team that allows 40 percent 3 point shooters to shoot. Sorry, I forgot, stats don't matter, only your vague impressions matter.
Amar- still in the team- Mullins fault - Amar - hasn’t gotten any better- Mullins fault- Amar - hasn’t been recruited over - Mullins fault- Amar- terrible shooter- always has the green light- Mullins fault
Amar, recruited by Lavin. Amar, recruited by Lavin. Amar, recruited by Lavin. Amar, recruited by Lavin. Mullin's fault.
Mullin's been here 3 f ing years and you blame Lavin for Mullin giving him playing time in year 3?
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tariq Owens (my favorite player) took 5 3’s last night. On what other team would that be allowed?
On any other team that allows 40 percent 3 point shooters to shoot. Sorry, I forgot, stats don't matter, only your vague impressions matter.
Amar- still in the team- Mullins fault - Amar - hasn’t gotten any better- Mullins fault- Amar - hasn’t been recruited over - Mullins fault- Amar- terrible shooter- always has the green light- Mullins fault
Amar, recruited by Lavin. Amar, recruited by Lavin. Amar, recruited by Lavin. Amar, recruited by Lavin. Mullin's fault.
Mullin's been here 3 f ing years and you blame Lavin for Mullin giving him playing time in year 3?
No. Practice reading for comprehension.
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Still would take Lavin back in a heartbeat,
That's because you're dumb.
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Still would take Lavin back in a heartbeat,
That's because you're dumb.
No because Lavin is Basketball coach . Basketball coaches are paid to win games.
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Still would take Lavin back in a heartbeat,
That's because you're dumb.
No because Lavin is Basketball coach . Basketball coaches are paid to win games.
Lavin was gonna ruin this program even more. Do you understand what team he would have had if we kept him for one more year?
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Due to injuries I’m willing to give the staff a pass so far. If we didn’t have injuries we would probably be 2-1 in conference and an extra out of conference win. That said , you can blame the staff for not recruiting one good freshman, Juco or grad transfer to augment this years roster. The other side of the coin is Wilson fell through the cracks and we look well balanced and deep for next year, but you never know who will leave. The loss of Ellison,Sima ,Williams and Mussini hurt a lot w depth, which is a large exodus.. I think either of the Hurley bros are better coaches than Mullin. I also think you can blame Mullin for the makeup of the staff. We need another recruiter/xo guy like Rice, who would be an inexpensive investment. By SJU standards ,the last 20 years, Lavins results were good. I think Mullin can pass Lavins accomplishments in the long run. I think Lavin was an average coach. Recruited too many question marks and left the roster barron.
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The upgrade in talent in the last 2 years is remarkable. This team is playing league leading defense, and even a blind person can see that this team is much improved over last year's team--which would have lost the last two games by 20 points plus.
Far too much energy is wasted anguishing over the performance of AliB and Yakwe. Simon and Clark have been everything promised, Ahmed is playing better, and Owens is transformed. We're playing without LoVett. If we only had the Ponds of last year, we take one if not both of those games. Don't know whether it's physical or mental, but he's not the same player offensively this year and did not work hard enough to get involved last night except for spurts. Odds are, the home games get him going and this team puts some wins together, at which point everything gets better.
If I never have to read another pro-Lavin post again, I can die a happy man. Revisionist bullshit.
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This team is playing league leading defense. The loss of mussini and Ellison. Wow. Sadly we could use either or both of mussini and Ellison , not because they are good, but we have no one.
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Mussini went home to Italy to play for money rather than spend another year here to be our fourth guard. We're we supposed to pay him to keep him here? Ellison practiced against Simon for a year and could tell what we all can tell: Simon is better. He left for a better chance at playing time at Pitt.
I wish both had stayed, but all teams deal with roster turnover. Next year we'll be in better shape to deal with whatever comes up. Are we going to blame the staff because UConn recruited Sid Wilson after he was already enrolled and taking summer classes?
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Mussini went home to Italy to play for money rather than spend another year here to be our fourth guard. We're we supposed to pay him to keep him here? Ellison practiced against Simon for a year and could tell what we all can tell: Simon is better. He left for a better chance at playing time at Pitt.
I wish both had stayed, but all teams deal with roster turnover. Next year we'll be in better shape to deal with whatever comes up. Are we going to blame the staff because UConn recruited Sid Wilson after he was already enrolled and taking summer classes?
Stat for foady- he loves stats- St. John’s 8-30 in the big east since Lavin was fired. Lavin same cupard, google his record. 38 games is a big sample size. Assume we are in wainwright Purnell territory if not worse
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Lavin brought plenty of unwanted drama with player eligibility, attitude problems, questionable characters such as Nurideen Lindsay and Rysheed Jordan and an overall lack of control over his program.
That said, when they fired Lavin, we lost Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa and Rysheed Jordan. All three might have started for St.John’s had their coach remained with the program. The University and a big chunk of the fan base had enough of the Lavin circus. I am one of those people.
That doesn’t mean that our response is to hire a coach with zero coaching experience. Maybe we could have hired Bobby or Danny Hurley, or maybe they are smart enough to avoid the STJ braintrust.
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Mussini went home to Italy to play for money rather than spend another year here to be our fourth guard. We're we supposed to pay him to keep him here? Ellison practiced against Simon for a year and could tell what we all can tell: Simon is better. He left for a better chance at playing time at Pitt.
I wish both had stayed, but all teams deal with roster turnover. Next year we'll be in better shape to deal with whatever comes up. Are we going to blame the staff because UConn recruited Sid Wilson after he was already enrolled and taking summer classes?
No. Not specifically. It’s not fair to call out a specific player or situation and judge the staff on it. We started the season with 9 players. The fact that we are short handed now is 100% their fault. I don’t care why Wilson pulled that shit. It’s not the point. The staff f’d around all summer and just may have ruined what could have been a tournament season.
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Still would take Lavin back in a heartbeat,
That's because you're dumb.
No because Lavin is a Basketball coach .
No, Lavin is a bulbous vacuous jibber jabbering buffoon. He's an imbecile and an incompetent. He destroyed the premiere basketball program in the country in five short years and having been handed a blank check and the keys the NYC failed miserably at St John's. He's much better suited to television, a medium in which his utter vapidity is a boon. I'm not surprised you fell for it, because you're something of a rube. No offense.
Basketball coaches are paid to win games.
How many post season wins did Lavin manage in five years for the 20 million dollars he was paid? Answer: one. Nearly as many chins as he managed to accumulate during his tenure at St John's.
How many wins did Lavin manage in his first three years absent the benefit of the senior laden roster that he inherited from ace recruiter Norm Roberts. Answer 19. Half a dozen fewer than Mullin, who inherited a shit roster from Lavin.
How many times have you soiled your diapers during Mullin's tenure? One hundred forty seven, but it's early.
I'm sorry, but it's impossible to take seriously anyone who pines for Lavin, because Lavin was an abomination. If you said said that Lavin sucked but Mullin sucks too, that's at least understandable. I think it's too early to tell, but at least it's understandable. But to laud Lavin reveals a complete lack of understanding of the game of basketball, of life, of human nature, which coming from a highly educated gym teacher such as yourself is disappointing. Lavin was an awful awful awful coach. He was a horrible lazy recruiter, an atrocious strategist, a public relations nightmare and a completely neurotic buffoon. Waa my daddy died waa waa waa. Waa I got cancer waa waa waa. Jim Calhoun has had more cancer than people who were at ground zero at Hiroshima, at this point he's more tumor than healthy tissue. Point to where Jim Calhoun mentioned his illness once, much less mentioned it every chance he got on national television to excuse being a complete and utter failure in his chosen profession. Pro tip, you can't. You know why? Because Calhoun isn't a basketball coach, he's a man. Whereas Lavin is much less than that. Much less.
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Still would take Lavin back in a heartbeat,
That's because you're dumb.
No because Lavin is a Basketball coach .
No, Lavin is a bulbous vacuous jibber jabbering buffoon. He's an imbecile and an incompetent. He destroyed the premiere basketball program in the country in five short years and having been handed a blank check and the keys the NYC failed miserably at St John's. He's much better suited to television, a medium in which his utter vapidity is a boon. I'm not surprised you fell for it, because you're something of a rube. No offense.
Basketball coaches are paid to win games.
How many post season wins did Lavin manage in five years for the 20 million dollars he was paid? Answer: one. Nearly as many chins as he managed to accumulate during his tenure at St John's.
How many wins did Lavin manage in his first three years absent the benefit of the senior laden roster that he inherited from ace recruiter Norm Roberts. Answer 19. Half a dozen fewer than Mullin, who inherited a shit roster from Lavin.
How many times have you soiled your diapers during Mullin's tenure? One hundred forty seven, but it's early.
I'm sorry, but it's impossible to take seriously anyone who pines for Lavin, because Lavin was an abomination. If you said said that Lavin sucked but Mullin sucks too, that's at least understandable. I think it's too early to tell, but at least it's understandable. But to laud Lavin reveals a complete lack of understanding of the game of basketball, of life, of human nature, which coming from a highly educated gym teacher such as yourself is disappointing. Lavin was an awful awful awful coach. He was a horrible lazy recruiter, an atrocious strategist, a public relations nightmare and a completely neurotic buffoon. Waa my daddy died waa waa waa. Waa I got cancer waa waa waa. Jim Calhoun has had more cancer than people who were at ground zero at Hiroshima, at this point he's more tumor than healthy tissue. Point to where Jim Calhoun mentioned his illness once, much less mentioned it every chance he got on national television to excuse being a complete and utter failure in his chosen profession. Pro tip, you can't. You know why? Because Calhoun isn't a basketball coach, he's a man. Whereas Lavin is much less than that. Much less.
If Lavin failed miserably what did Norm do? Bad luck right? What is Mullin doing now? Also bad luck? Only Lavin should be held accountable. We get it.
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Lavin brought plenty of unwanted drama with player eligibility, attitude problems, questionable characters such as Nurideen Lindsay and Rysheed Jordan and an overall lack of control over his program.
That said, when they fired Lavin, we lost Brandon Sampson, Chris Obekpa and Rysheed Jordan. All three might have started for St.John’s had their coach remained with the program. The University and a big chunk of the fan base had enough of the Lavin circus. I am one of those people.
That doesn’t mean that our response is to hire a coach with zero coaching experience. Maybe we could have hired Bobby or Danny Hurley, or maybe they are smart enough to avoid the STJ braintrust.
Fair enough. Can we separate your misgivings about who was hired to follow Lavin - who we agree was not the answer - from what the present staff has accomplished? That is, you are disappointed that the university did not hire an established coach and think hiring Mullin was another mistake from a program that hasn't made a good coaching hire since 1996. (That's Fran. Good logical hire. I recall being pleased when Jarvis was hired to replace him. He had a good reputation and frankly I was happy that they'd hired a minority coach considering all the contributions that minorities has made to the program. I thought that sort of pay back warranted. Christian even. That he turned out to be a disaster aside). Maybe it was a failed attempt to reclaim former glory from a program still under the sway of Louie and Lapchick, still delusional about its place in the basketball universe. Can we at least agree that despite the fact that Mullin might not have been the best hire that the trajectory of the program is vaguely upward? That talent wise the first five or six are as good as have been here for a while, that the coaching is improving, that the recruiting is as good as it's been? Leave aside the mistakes and shortcomings and misgivings. Leave aside Lovett's unfortunate injury and the unfortunate start. Is there really no cause for optimism? Because that's what I have trouble with, not the short term disappointment, but the long term gloom, all the full diapers, all the wailing and gnashing of teeth. I just don't get it..
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If Lavin failed miserably what did Norm do? Bad luck right? What is Mullin doing now? Also bad luck? Only Lavin should be held accountable. We get it.
Is that a serious question? Norm stunk. Does that mean Lavin couldn't have stunk also? Oprah's fat. Therefore Rosie isn't also fat? What are you even talking about?
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Trust the process- Mullin 8-30- poor defense- poor rebounding- terrible shot selection- roster unstable. Are any of those statements untrue? Besides the roster, which Mullin has to take some blame.
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Trust the process- Mullin 8-30- poor defense- poor rebounding- terrible shot selection- roster unstable. Are any of those statements untrue? Besides the roster, which Mullin has to take some blame.
"This team is playing league leading defense." - TONYD3 2hrs ago
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Scary how much I agree with Foad in this thread. This is year 3 of a complete rebuild for Mullin and his staff. He's rebuilding at what has been a mostly irrelevant program in a fairly difficult conference. Nobody was going to step into that situation and go to a sweet 16 in year 3. There are reasons for optimism and reasons for pessimism regarding the future, and it's still too early to tell one way or the other how this is going to turn out. In the middle of year 3 I think it's impossible to think the staff has either been a massive success or massive failure thus far.
Pros:
- So far the staff seems to know how to put together a balanced roster across classes, something the last staff did not do. This should lead us to avoid complete rebuilding seasons going forward and should lead to some consistency.
- Despite not being able to lure any 5 star players here yet, the staff has proven they can convince talented players to play here, both through HS recruiting and transfers.
Neutral:
- The jury is still out on how well they develop players. Owens has shown great improvement but Yakwe has gone backwards.
Cons:
- The X's and O's leave a lot to be desired. The team has improved defensively, but there are still plenty of correctable defensive lapses that occur. These were masked somewhat earlier in the season against weaker competition but are being exploited now by the better teams. Then there is a horrid shot selection and stretches within games where the offense looks completely lost.
- The roster turnover is concerning. It is commonplace in college basketball these days for teams to lose players via transfer/going pro but we have been particularly snakebit in this area over the last couple years.
Moral of the story is I don't see how anybody can be extremely positive or negative on the overall performance of the staff so far.
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Mussini went home to Italy to play for money rather than spend another year here to be our fourth guard. We're we supposed to pay him to keep him here? Ellison practiced against Simon for a year and could tell what we all can tell: Simon is better. He left for a better chance at playing time at Pitt.
I wish both had stayed, but all teams deal with roster turnover. Next year we'll be in better shape to deal with whatever comes up. Are we going to blame the staff because UConn recruited Sid Wilson after he was already enrolled and taking summer classes?
Stat for foady- he loves stats- St. John’s 8-30 in the big east since Lavin was fired. Lavin same cupard, google his record. 38 games is a big sample size. Assume we are in wainwright Purnell territory if not worse
Bringing up Mullin's 8-30 record for this argument is completely disingenuous and you know that. There is not a coach on the planet that would have done much better than the 1-15 Mullin went in his first year with what he inherited. Lavin, with a full year head start went 6-12 and 7-11 in his first 2 years with his own players.
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If Lavin failed miserably what did Norm do? Bad luck right? What is Mullin doing now? Also bad luck? Only Lavin should be held accountable. We get it.
Is that a serious question? Norm stunk. Does that mean Lavin couldn't have stunk also? Oprah's fat. Therefore Rosie isn't also fat? What are you even talking about?
Degrees of fat and stink, no?
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I get the frustration. I really do. But here is the thing, who do you think the next guy will be? The best / only option is to pray Mullin gets it done. First year was a wash and would have been for Coach K. 2nd year was better. Things looked even better this year until Lovett thing happened. You want to blame Mullin for roster mismanagement? Fair. But still only 3 years. Face of program deserves at least Norm time!
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Trust the process- Mullin 8-30- poor defense- poor rebounding- terrible shot selection- roster unstable. Are any of those statements untrue? Besides the roster, which Mullin has to take some blame.
"This team is playing league leading defense." - TONYD3 2hrs ago
I believe he was quoting Lycidas.
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If Lavin failed miserably what did Norm do? Bad luck right? What is Mullin doing now? Also bad luck? Only Lavin should be held accountable. We get it.
Is that a serious question? Norm stunk. Does that mean Lavin couldn't have stunk also? Oprah's fat. Therefore Rosie isn't also fat? What are you even talking about?
Norm was awful. Lavin underachieved. I give Norm an F. I give Lavin a B-
There is no comparison between the two of them.
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The fan base is disgruntled with good reason.
But my all-time favorite basketball player is not going anywhere for a long while unless he hisself decides to defect.
Debating the merits of he and his staff helps fill a void but it's largely pointless.
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Despite 0-3 in the Big East, the program is on the right track.. There are lots of plusses. Lots of improvements. Lots of help on the way. Obviously, right now the depth and rebounding are lacking. Right now, we have zero margin of error.
Rome was not built in a day.
The Big East is brutal and will continue to be.
This is college basketball...there is no process. This team is a disappointment any way you slice it. The staff went into this season with two kids that could dribble and one of them is a known p*ssy that can be kept out two months with knee sprain.
We MIGHT add one conference win to last year's total. That's not progress.
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U r a clown... if our STARTING backcourt had not gotten injured we would be minimum 12-3 & 2-1 in the conference.
Once we r back at full strength nobody is going to want any part of this team.....the amount of phonies and frauds on this board is almost as bad as redmut.com.
Enjoy the ride and stop whining like a bunch of bitches.
Not to mention we have already secured one of the best recruiting classes in the country.... which means we will be STACKED next year...... wah, wah, wah..lol
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Mostly agree!!!!!
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If Lavin failed miserably what did Norm do? Bad luck right? What is Mullin doing now? Also bad luck? Only Lavin should be held accountable. We get it.
Is that a serious question? Norm stunk. Does that mean Lavin couldn't have stunk also? Oprah's fat. Therefore Rosie isn't also fat? What are you even talking about?
Norm was awful. Lavin underachieved. I give Norm an F. I give Lavin a B-
There is no comparison between the two of them.
I didn't make a comparison between them, you did. I didn't bring up Lavin, the other guy did. I didn't bring up Norm, you did.
Other than that you make some good points.
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Still would take Lavin back in a heartbeat,
That's because you're dumb.
No because Lavin is Basketball coach . Basketball coaches are paid to win games.
U seriously can’t be this stupid.... LOL.... Lavin left Mullin w/ two schollie players : Jordan, who is a criminal... and Obekpa, who had b-ball IQ of a rock.
Anyone w/ half a brain realized it would take a MINIMUM of three years to turn this thing around. IMHO, we are right on schedule... w/out the injuries to our STARTING guards we would be in the top 25 as we speak..... pipe down u fool.
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Despite 0-3 in the Big East, the program is on the right track.. There are lots of plusses. Lots of improvements. Lots of help on the way. Obviously, right now the depth and rebounding are lacking. Right now, we have zero margin of error.
Rome was not built in a day.
The Big East is brutal and will continue to be.
This is college basketball...there is no process. This team is a disappointment any way you slice it. The staff went into this season with two kids that could dribble and one of them is a known p*ssy that can be kept out two months with knee sprain.
We MIGHT add one conference win to last year's total. That's not progress.
What would you know about p*ssy?? Stick to subjects you are well versed in, btw, basketball is not one of them!!
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Still would take Lavin back in a heartbeat,
That's because you're dumb.
No because Lavin is Basketball coach . Basketball coaches are paid to win games.
Wrong, Lavin is a television commentator. If he was so good at this coaching thing, he probably would be coaching.
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Still would take Lavin back in a heartbeat,
That's because you're dumb.
No because Lavin is Basketball coach . Basketball coaches are paid to win games.
U seriously can’t be this stupid.... LOL.... Lavin left Mullin w/ two schollie players : Jordan, who is a criminal... and Obekpa, who had b-ball IQ of a rock.
Anyone w/ half a brain realized it would take a MINIMUM of three years to turn this thing around. IMHO, we are right on schedule... w/out the injuries to our STARTING guards we would be in the top 25 as we speak..... pipe down u fool.
Mullin had nothing to work with when he started. We all know that, but you’re not painting an accurate picture. Lavin was pushed out, or fired. Whichever. But the fact remains he didn’t have a chance to finish recruiting. We can’t say he left Mullin with two players when we know that he wasn’t going to leave himself with two players. When a coach is fired, players leave. That’s what you’re signing up for. As horrible as things turned out for Jordan, who was clearly a troubled kid from day one, they still included him as a member of the team. Had he stayed, his life may have turned out differently. I think you’re being unfairly hard on Obekpa. He wasn’t a well rounded player, but he absolutely would have helped the team had he returned. Work ethic and personality aside, he was still an above average center in the BE.
In addition to Jordan and Obekpa, Brandon Sampson would have played in the backcourt with Jordan. There’s no comparison to a backcourt of Jordan and Sampson and a backcourt of Mussini and M’Vouika.
Lavin made a mess of every class he brought here because the management part of the job ate him alive. He’s where he belongs now. Talking. It’s how he landed so many quality players early on, and then had no clue how to take it from there.
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you’re not painting an accurate picture
Don't worry, he'll start posting jpegs of steaming piles of dog shit soon enough.
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Disgruntled bunch.
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We would have been the worst team in the Big East if Lavin stayed on......Jordan was going to be academically ineligible.....Doughty was ruled ineligible his first year....People said we would have got Lovett with Lavin ...He was ineligible first year.....Roster would have been Obkepa, Jones, Amar , Felix and Sampson and a bunch of no name freshman as well.....Even if Jordan did play the full season that team is probably beating DePaul twice and maybe winning a third game against Marquette
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We would have been the worst team in the Big East if Lavin stayed on......Jordan was going to be academically ineligible.....Doughty was ruled ineligible his first year....People said we would have got Lovett with Lavin ...He was ineligible first year.....Roster would have been Obkepa, Jones, Amar , Felix and Sampson and a bunch of no name freshman as well.....Even if Jordan did play the full season that team is probably beating DePaul twice and maybe winning a third game against Marquette
What place is St Johns in now?
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We would have been the worst team in the Big East if Lavin stayed on......Jordan was going to be academically ineligible.....Doughty was ruled ineligible his first year....People said we would have got Lovett with Lavin ...He was ineligible first year.....Roster would have been Obkepa, Jones, Amar , Felix and Sampson and a bunch of no name freshman as well.....Even if Jordan did play the full season that team is probably beating DePaul twice and maybe winning a third game against Marquette
What place is St Johns in now?
Yet for some reason you never seemed all that upset finishing last during Norm years.
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"In addition to Jordan and Obekpa, Brandon Sampson would have played in the backcourt with Jordan. There’s no comparison to a backcourt of Jordan and Sampson and a backcourt of Mussini and M’Vouika. "
1. Sampson gave StJ a verbal because at that point in time, LSU had not offered. Once LSU offered, he was going there and would not have gone to StJ.
2. Jordan had stopped going to class and DID NOT qualify for at least the fall semester of the next year had he decided to return. Mullin offered to help him and he declined.
3. Who knows if Obekpa would have contributed to the basketball team's success since he was so flighty at best and his game did not mature beyond his ability to block shots.
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These last two loses have been frustrating as we had every chance to win both games and blew it, but if we win the next two we are back in the hunt at 12-5. We won 14 games last year...Every year as a fan i/we expect NCAA but NIT is a realistic improvement giving the situation Mullin was given anything less then NIT is a failure......After this season there should be no reason we are not NCAA every year going forward and if we are not then the heat on Mullin should start coming.......With that said i do agree the Staff made a mess of this Roster for this season as we are seeing first hand what an injury can do to a shorthanded team but when we are healthy i expect us to go on a run and we can beat any team in the big east.
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We would have been the worst team in the Big East if Lavin stayed on......Jordan was going to be academically ineligible.....Doughty was ruled ineligible his first year....People said we would have got Lovett with Lavin ...He was ineligible first year.....Roster would have been Obkepa, Jones, Amar , Felix and Sampson and a bunch of no name freshman as well.....Even if Jordan did play the full season that team is probably beating DePaul twice and maybe winning a third game against Marquette
What place is St Johns in now?
Yet for some reason you never seemed all that upset finishing last during Norm years.
Program was is such disarray, I gave Uncle Norm a long leash. All these years later, still at the bottom
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Marco you are a funny guy let me tell ya that!
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I would love to hear what you think would fix St. John's
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The transfers who have to sit this year plus next year's recruits plus no one (besides Lovett) leaving.
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We would have been the worst team in the Big East if Lavin stayed on......Jordan was going to be academically ineligible.....Doughty was ruled ineligible his first year....People said we would have got Lovett with Lavin ...He was ineligible first year.....Roster would have been Obkepa, Jones, Amar , Felix and Sampson and a bunch of no name freshman as well.....Even if Jordan did play the full season that team is probably beating DePaul twice and maybe winning a third game against Marquette
I am a Mullin guy. I think he can turn this around and willing to give him as long as he wants. With that being said, considering what came before him and the last 3 years after him, I think Lavin bashers need to get a grip. I feel he needed to go and was glad Mullin was hired but I have a feeling that when you look back at the program 20 years from now Lavin years might be the high point.
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We would have been the worst team in the Big East if Lavin stayed on......Jordan was going to be academically ineligible.....Doughty was ruled ineligible his first year....People said we would have got Lovett with Lavin ...He was ineligible first year.....Roster would have been Obkepa, Jones, Amar , Felix and Sampson and a bunch of no name freshman as well.....Even if Jordan did play the full season that team is probably beating DePaul twice and maybe winning a third game against Marquette
I don’t agree. They had no ball handlers. Sampson would have helped. Who knows who else we would have added? We don’t know. That’s my point. He didn’t have a lot, but overall each year he was here, Lavin was a good recruiter. Does he deserve the benefit of the doubt in that regard. It’s not so cut and dry.
How many top 100 recruits have we signed since he left? 2?
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I was not bashing Lavin at all...I was huge Lavin fan when they hired him and with the recruits he bought it...thought he was going to be around long term and he bought some excitement into the program after the dark days.......everyone is bashing on Mullin for that first year but Lavin would have been just as bad with the roster he had in year 6 for him
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"In addition to Jordan and Obekpa, Brandon Sampson would have played in the backcourt with Jordan. There’s no comparison to a backcourt of Jordan and Sampson and a backcourt of Mussini and M’Vouika. "
1. Sampson gave StJ a verbal because at that point in time, LSU had not offered. Once LSU offered, he was going there and would not have gone to StJ.
2. Jordan had stopped going to class and DID NOT qualify for at least the fall semester of the next year had he decided to return. Mullin offered to help him and he declined.
3. Who knows if Obekpa would have contributed to the basketball team's success since he was so flighty at best and his game did not mature beyond his ability to block shots.
I thought Sampson was released from LOI? Jordan, IDK how he was doing in the classroom or how anyone knows that. Obekpa is where I disagree. He wasn’t an All BE player as a junior, but I thought overall he played well. He started scoring more as a junior.
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Still would take Lavin back in a heartbeat,
That's because you're dumb.
No because Lavin is Basketball coach . Basketball coaches are paid to win games.
U seriously can’t be this stupid.... LOL.... Lavin left Mullin w/ two schollie players : Jordan, who is a criminal... and Obekpa, who had b-ball IQ of a rock.
Anyone w/ half a brain realized it would take a MINIMUM of three years to turn this thing around. IMHO, we are right on schedule... w/out the injuries to our STARTING guards we would be in the top 25 as we speak..... pipe down u fool.
Mullin had nothing to work with when he started. We all know that, but you’re not painting an accurate picture. Lavin was pushed out, or fired. Whichever. But the fact remains he didn’t have a chance to finish recruiting. We can’t say he left Mullin with two players when we know that he wasn’t going to leave himself with two players. When a coach is fired, players leave. That’s what you’re signing up for. As horrible as things turned out for Jordan, who was clearly a troubled kid from day one, they still included him as a member of the team. Had he stayed, his life may have turned out differently. I think you’re being unfairly hard on Obekpa. He wasn’t a well rounded player, but he absolutely would have helped the team had he returned. Work ethic and personality aside, he was still an above average center in the BE.
In addition to Jordan and Obekpa, Brandon Sampson would have played in the backcourt with Jordan. There’s no comparison to a backcourt of Jordan and Sampson and a backcourt of Mussini and M’Vouika.
Lavin made a mess of every class he brought here because the management part of the job ate him alive. He’s where he belongs now. Talking. It’s how he landed so many quality players early on, and then had no clue how to take it from there.
Huh?... u are a babbling fool.
There is a reason Lavin can’t get a job... he shit the bed & left our program with nothing but a criminal & a pot head.... those are the FACTS “genius”(lol)
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#SweepTheHomestand
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Brandon Sampson would not have made a difference in big east play in year 1 .....he made zero impact at LSU on a team that did not reach the NIT. Yes they had some better players ahead of him but we can not say he was going to be difference maker.
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Still would take Lavin back in a heartbeat,
That's because you're dumb.
No because Lavin is Basketball coach . Basketball coaches are paid to win games.
U seriously can’t be this stupid.... LOL.... Lavin left Mullin w/ two schollie players : Jordan, who is a criminal... and Obekpa, who had b-ball IQ of a rock.
Anyone w/ half a brain realized it would take a MINIMUM of three years to turn this thing around. IMHO, we are right on schedule... w/out the injuries to our STARTING guards we would be in the top 25 as we speak..... pipe down u fool.
Mullin had nothing to work with when he started. We all know that, but you’re not painting an accurate picture. Lavin was pushed out, or fired. Whichever. But the fact remains he didn’t have a chance to finish recruiting. We can’t say he left Mullin with two players when we know that he wasn’t going to leave himself with two players. When a coach is fired, players leave. That’s what you’re signing up for. As horrible as things turned out for Jordan, who was clearly a troubled kid from day one, they still included him as a member of the team. Had he stayed, his life may have turned out differently. I think you’re being unfairly hard on Obekpa. He wasn’t a well rounded player, but he absolutely would have helped the team had he returned. Work ethic and personality aside, he was still an above average center in the BE.
In addition to Jordan and Obekpa, Brandon Sampson would have played in the backcourt with Jordan. There’s no comparison to a backcourt of Jordan and Sampson and a backcourt of Mussini and M’Vouika.
Lavin made a mess of every class he brought here because the management part of the job ate him alive. He’s where he belongs now. Talking. It’s how he landed so many quality players early on, and then had no clue how to take it from there.
Huh?... u are a babbling fool.
There is a reason Lavin can’t get a job... he shit the bed & left our program with nothing but a criminal & a pot head.... those are the FACTS “genius”(lol)
Actually, those aren’t facts. Lavin didn’t leave our program with a criminal. He left St.John’s with a kid who drove to Philly to visit his mom when he shoulda been at a game or a practice. Not the best teammate. Not a criminal.
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Brandon Sampson would not have made a difference in big east play in year 1 .....he made zero impact at LSU on a team that did not reach the NIT. Yes they had some better players ahead of him but we can not say he was going to be difference maker.
I said he would have helped. I said that because we won 1 game and we couldn’t dribble.
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agree with Poison ....cannot classify Jordan as Lavin's fault at all he did everything he could to help him
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"I thought Sampson was released from LOI? Jordan, IDK how he was doing in the classroom or how anyone knows that. Obekpa is where I disagree. He wasn’t an All BE player as a junior, but I thought overall he played well. He started scoring more as a junior. "
1. Sampson only gave StJ a verbal and as such did not need to be released from an LOI. Sampson verballed to StJ in January between signing periods. LSU had signed somebody else, Antonio Blakeney, who was a 5-star guard in the fall.
2. Once Jordan decided to leave, the information about blowing off the spring semester's classes became public. Should that have come out? I don't give a damn. The fact remains, he didn't go to class and would not have qualified for the following fall semester at least.
3. As far as Obekpa, we'll have to agree to disagree.
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I would love to hear what you think would fix St. John's
New campus arena would be a nice start. Place is a dump. Tough to attract anyone to a campus in Queens as it is. Not sure MSG is the draw that it was 20 years ago.
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iwow we actually agree! Went to my first game on campus and i was shocked how there is nothing around the school at all.....MSG is not the same draw at all but all it takes is a two year span to have that place finally pick up steam again and packed. NYC is dying for a good basketball team. There was about 12,000 fans or more i would think when it was St. Johns vs Gtown in the regular seasonlast year and that place had some life....Just need to WIN and that place will be back to what it use to be.
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New campus arena would be a nice start. Place is a dump.
I've always gone to way more games at Alumni Hall than at the Garden and have preferred it even sans alcohol due to:
1) Easy drive no train
2) Lower cost (travel, tickets, concessions)
3) Closer to the court
4) Feels like home
Yet I have to admit it was less than ideal when you're surrounded by fans instead of empty seats like at the Providence game. There really is no leg room, you're jammed in like sardines and it's a pain in the a$$ to let people get in and out of the rows. Plus, I know it would have been hot as hell if it wasn't 10 degrees outside.
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-Father Harrington let this teams rot
-Lavin created his own issues by not recruiting and creating drama
-Mullin came to the program because he trust what Dr. Gempeshaw Vision for the program was...Other wise why now? Couldn’t he have an opportunity to coach at the NBA level?
-SJU would be a complete rebuild with or without Lavin, Mullin was brought in to bridge the gap of the alumni generation and the new generation.
-Growing pains is expected with an inexperienced coach, plus a complete rebuild of a roster
-Legitamte arguments can be made about roster situation, but Creighton game was a should have win...yes bench contributed nothing, but too many 3s at wrong times, and does Mullin really have to teach how to make a clutch free throw?
-Year two was a success compared to year one. Year 3 non conference schedule is ranked one of the top schedules in the BE, the program did well and improved from year 2 to year 3....Lovett injury has impacted the BE schedule.
-This season is not over yet, but an NIT invitation is still an improvement and an NCAA tournament invite is even better, and still possible.
-Recruitment is better then it has been in awhile and each year it has been getting better. Next year should be the best in a long time.
Overall Mullin is a 3rd year coach that is supposed to reignite SJU basketball tradition, I think this is still possible because of the leadership that is in place at the President and AD level. When somebody states that a coach has more experience/better then Mullin, my response is duh...Mullin is much more then a coach, he is supposed to be a Phoenix of a historic program. Can he pull it off, I do not know...Is the program heading in the right direction, as of right now the answer is yes.
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New Zach article
https://nypost.com/2018/01/06/chris-mullin-wont-make-excuses-for-shorthanded-st-johns/
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#SweepTheHomestand
Out for blood today!!!
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New Zach article
https://nypost.com/2018/01/06/chris-mullin-wont-make-excuses-for-shorthanded-st-johns/
For once, I’d like to see a St.John’s coach own up to his own mistakes. Say what you want about Jim Boeheim and Jim Calhoun, but they take defeat like men. The losses to Seton Hall and Creighton are due to 5 or 6 tired guys that played their butts off. The wheels came off at the very end for that reason and that reason alone.
I hope the staff enjoyed their summer vacation. And people have the nerve to call Lavin out for being a lazy recruiter. To say the shoe is on the other foot would be a dramatic understatement.
I fully expect us to destroy DePaul. Kids are hungry and probably pretty pissed that they’re 0-3.
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If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.
If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.
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#SweepTheHomestand
Out for blood today!!!
Well we got it. We bleed to death!
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If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.
If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.
Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all
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If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.
If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.
Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all
Why can't they both suck?
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If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.
If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.
Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all
Yes I do. 1st year slow. Then beat Georgetown, uconn, nova, killed duke, Pitt (google I do often). Dom’s junior year, we were awful then one of the best teams in the country for a month and a half.
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If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.
If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.
Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all
Why can't they both suck?
Because they both don’t suck. Lavin recruited better players, and he won more games. Maybe they were right to move on but hiring a coach with zero experience who clearly doesn’t think that matters was an error in judgement which was consistent with the St.John’s braintrust.
Anyone who loves Mullin enough to accept a shittier coaching performance than Norm Roberts can go F themselves. He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike
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He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike
Concur.
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If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.
If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.
Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all
Why can't they both suck?
Because they both don’t suck. Lavin recruited better players, and he won more games. Maybe they were right to move on but hiring a coach with zero experience who clearly doesn’t think that matters was an error in judgement which was consistent with the St.John’s braintrust.
Anyone who loves Mullin enough to accept a shittier coaching performance than Norm Roberts can go F themselves. He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike
I could accept last year as year #2 and a setup for a step forward in year #3. If this continues, hard to accept.
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If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.
If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.
Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all
Why can't they both suck?
Because they both don’t suck. Lavin recruited better players, and he won more games. Maybe they were right to move on but hiring a coach with zero experience who clearly doesn’t think that matters was an error in judgement which was consistent with the St.John’s braintrust.
Anyone who loves Mullin enough to accept a shittier coaching performance than Norm Roberts can go F themselves. He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike
I could accept last year as year #2 and a setup for a step forward in year #3. If this continues, hard to accept.
Mullin’s best talent as a coach is that he’s Chris Mullin. Goodman called it right. He’s not doing the job. The media needs to teach him a lesson. Enough with the coddling. He campaigned for this, and now he’s got to own up to being the worst coach we’ve ever had. Mullin should be ashamed of himself, but star athletes are delusional. He probably thinks this is all on the players.
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This team has zero identity. Tony is right, they play absolutely no defense and horrible shooters take horrible shots and this happens consistently every game. They were fine racking up 10 wins against cupcakes but there is no game plan when they go against good teams and that is when they really get exposed. Losing Mussini hurt them a lot he was a spark plug for them that they lack now. Ahmed is real frustrating to watch because he has the talent to be a good player he just has such a low basketball iq. Lavin was a horrible, awful coach but Mullin takes the cake as the worst ever. Nobody improves under him and this joke of a staff is Just super lazy and they almost come across as feeling privileged. Patrick Ewing would coach circles around Mullin. The last best coach we had and it was by a fluke was. Mike Dunlap. Not saying he could've recruited players that Lavin was able to bring in but the one year he ran the show all the players improved and it was fun to watch. Yawkwe was actually decent and has completely regressed under this staff and now has just lost all his confidence. Seems like the same is happening to Ponds as well. We are the worst team in the league this year no doubt. We have actually had a soft first 4 games to start BE play compared to what it could be. I pegged them to win 6 BE games before conference play started and now they will be lucky to achieve half that number. The NIT even seems like a reach. This is not a good team and like someone said there is no process in college hoops anymore. This isn't the pros.
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If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.
If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.
Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all
Why can't they both suck?
Because they both don’t suck. Lavin recruited better players, and he won more games. Maybe they were right to move on but hiring a coach with zero experience who clearly doesn’t think that matters was an error in judgement which was consistent with the St.John’s braintrust.
Anyone who loves Mullin enough to accept a shittier coaching performance than Norm Roberts can go F themselves. He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike
Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.
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Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.
And all he did with them was one NIT win, a 1st round NIT loss in embarrassing fashion to Robert Morris and being uncompetitive as a 9 seed after he self-sabotaged his own program on selection sunday
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He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike
Concur.
Problem is our president is a known cost cutter. If Mullin fails I sincerely doubt we open up the checkbook for another splashy hire. I dread what position our program would be in if we fired Mullin and then gambled on a Norm Roberts type assistant coach.
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Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.
And all he did with them was one NIT win, a 1st round NIT loss in embarrassing fashion to Robert Morris and being uncompetitive as a 9 seed after he self-sabotaged his own program on selection sunday
I probably would've signed up for those results after sitting through 83-118 in the 7 sanction filled years post Jarvis.
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Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.
And all he did with them was one NIT win, a 1st round NIT loss in embarrassing fashion to Robert Morris and being uncompetitive as a 9 seed after he self-sabotaged his own program on selection sunday
Lol, I love how you gloss over the fact that he brought us to the tournament twice, and for the first time in a decade, after many considered our program dead and buried.
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Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.
And all he did with them was one NIT win, a 1st round NIT loss in embarrassing fashion to Robert Morris and being uncompetitive as a 9 seed after he self-sabotaged his own program on selection sunday
Lol, I love how you gloss over the fact that he brought us to the tournament twice, and for the first time in a decade, after many considered our program dead and buried.
If you read which comment I was addressing you would see that I was referring specifically to what he accomplished with his own recruits, of which nothing I said was incorrect
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guys-Waste of time to start litigating the Lavin years. He ain't coming back and that is going on 3 years removed now.
Let's just concentrate on the here and now. Coach Mullin needs to get this thing turned around very quickly.
I can't imagine having a 5-13 type season going into year 4 and the ENORMOUS pressure he would be under.
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Is it true, guys were laughing on bench at end of game? If true, Mullin better send a message tomorrow that this season is on brink of spiraling out of control. And guys better look st themselves in mirror.
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I believe we were 7-11 in BE regular season last year.
We're 0-4 now, so we'd have to go 7-5 rest of way just to match.
Matching W total is bad enough, anything under is a serious step backward, and merits many questions and hopefully changes to assistants
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He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike
Concur.
Problem is our president is a known cost cutter. If Mullin fails I sincerely doubt we open up the checkbook for another splashy hire. I dread what position our program would be in if we fired Mullin and then gambled on a Norm Roberts type assistant coach.
The problem is how they do things. There is never an intelligent plan in place. There is nothing wrong with hiring a top assistant. It’s not like that plan has never worked anywhere. St.John’s needs to remove themselves from the decision making process.
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I believe we were 7-11 in BE regular season last year.
We're 0-4 now, so we'd have to go 7-5 rest of way just to match.
Matching W total is bad enough, anything under is a serious step backward, and merits many questions and hopefully changes to assistants
Not a math major I see.
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Is it true, guys were laughing on bench at end of game? If true, Mullin better send a message tomorrow that this season is on brink of spiraling out of control. And guys better look st themselves in mirror.
Problem is Mullin probably cracked a joke.
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Is it true, guys were laughing on bench at end of game? If true, Mullin better send a message tomorrow that this season is on brink of spiraling out of control. And guys better look st themselves in mirror.
Someone needs to send Mullin the message
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You're right....7-7
Past my bedtime... :-[
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If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.
If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.
Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all
Why can't they both suck?
Because they both don’t suck. Lavin recruited better players, and he won more games. Maybe they were right to move on but hiring a coach with zero experience who clearly doesn’t think that matters was an error in judgement which was consistent with the St.John’s braintrust.
Anyone who loves Mullin enough to accept a shittier coaching performance than Norm Roberts can go F themselves. He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike
Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.
Yes he started off doing a great job recruiting the problem is he stopped in favor of European vacations and the banquet circuit.
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He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike
Concur.
Problem is our president is a known cost cutter. If Mullin fails I sincerely doubt we open up the checkbook for another splashy hire. I dread what position our program would be in if we fired Mullin and then gambled on a Norm Roberts type assistant coach.
The problem is how they do things. There is never an intelligent plan in place. There is nothing wrong with hiring a top assistant. It’s not like that plan has never worked anywhere. St.John’s needs to remove themselves from the decision making process.
I don't disagree that the top assistant route pays off occasionally but I think you need to be as risk averse as possible when dealing with a program that has only just begun to claw back to relevancy.
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If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.
If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.
Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all
Why can't they both suck?
Because they both don’t suck. Lavin recruited better players, and he won more games. Maybe they were right to move on but hiring a coach with zero experience who clearly doesn’t think that matters was an error in judgement which was consistent with the St.John’s braintrust.
Anyone who loves Mullin enough to accept a shittier coaching performance than Norm Roberts can go F themselves. He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike
Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.
Yes he started off doing a great job recruiting the problem is he stopped in favor of European vacations and the banquet circuit.
Yeah I'm sure it didn't take any effort at all to land Sampson and have us in the mix for diallo and briscoe despite being a lame duck.
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If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.
If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.
Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all
Why can't they both suck?
Because they both don’t suck. Lavin recruited better players, and he won more games. Maybe they were right to move on but hiring a coach with zero experience who clearly doesn’t think that matters was an error in judgement which was consistent with the St.John’s braintrust.
Anyone who loves Mullin enough to accept a shittier coaching performance than Norm Roberts can go F themselves. He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike
Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.
Yes he started off doing a great job recruiting the problem is he stopped in favor of European vacations and the banquet circuit.
Yeah I'm sure it didn't take any effort at all to land Sampson and have us in the mix for diallo and briscoe despite being a lame duck.
We still would have sucked. Even if he got all 3, Sampson nothing as a freshmen at LSU, Diallo barely got off bench albeit at Kansas who had to fight NCAA with heavy legal action to get him eligible after 7 games something we couldn't afford to do, and Briscoe overrated who couldn't shoot nor play the point. Lavin so great a coach he has been a talking head for the last 3 seasons.
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Wonder how proactive Mullin is about seeking input, advice etc from outside (beyond Louie) or receptive to hearing what he might see but not be addressing correctly.....or might he be too proud to say some of this is on him..
The only thing that bothers me is his continued tolerance of sloppy play, bad shot selection etc.. how hard is that to require no jacking up 40 ft 3 pt shots at start of shot clock, or wild drive layup tosses.
I do believe Richmond needs to go and get some experience in his place. I'd hang on to St. Jean just because he seems like a workhorse and could be a successor if this program miraculously turns around like original vision calls for. Still, I could see St.Jean moving to some NBA role.
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Wonder how proactive Mullin is about seeking input, advice etc from outside (beyond Louie) or receptive to hearing what he might see but not be addressing correctly.....or might he be too proud to say some of this is on him..
The only thing that bothers me is his continued tolerance of sloppy play, bad shot selection etc.. how hard is that to require no jacking up 40 ft 3 pt shots at start of shot clock, or wild drive layup tosses.
I do believe Richmond needs to go and get some experience in his place. I'd hang on to St. Jean just because he seems like a workhorse and could be a successor if this program miraculously turns around like original vision calls for. Still, I could see St.Jean moving to some NBA role.
What's the reasoning behind Richmond having an official assistant position opposed to him being in the special advisor role he had when slice was here?? Is he making more $ as an actual assistant. I would much rather see an experienced xs and os guy there to help make up for the experience Mullin is sorely missing.
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No idea if Richmond got a salary bump, but they had to play musical chairs, since they were not in a $$ position to hire another body as AC, along w/ Slice salary and also keep Richmond in advisor role....Probably also thought it would help recruiting effort.
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Everyone needs to calm down and admit that everyone on this board have overstated the talent on this team. Even with Lovett we are a bottom level team. We have nobody who can compete under the basket with the likes of Maric, Govan, Delgado etc. Yakwe is a stiff, Owens is not strong enough and lacks the will to battle and we have seen enough of Clark to understand that he has value as a shooter but he has no intention to be a battler underneath the basket. It is easy to blame the coach, but let's be serious, these are not the horses needed to pull this cart into the big dance. Ponds has been exposed as a point guard without Lovett and he is obviously feeling the pressure. I think we can all agree that Ahmed is not a big time player. Mullin without a doubt is not a coaching genius, but he has improved and will continue to improve hopefully. Now the good news.... They have set the program up in year four to be very well balanced and coachable. Unless Ponds loses his mind he will be back with Mickey Dixon and Greg Williams and perhaps Lovett. That is a very good guard rotation that will have beef under the boards with Keita, Brooks and Roberts. Owens, Clark and Simon can do what they do best without the expectation of playing like Moses Malone. Yakwe and Trimble will never see the hardwood and Diakite can enjoy a year to ease back into playing shape with no expectation to produce.
Mullin (Matt) has done a fine job of setting this team up in year four, now he needs to show that he can coach a balanced team next year or the heat will be deserved......but he needs to be cut some slack this year. He has to improve his coaching IQ but after watching every game nobody can convince me that our team is better without Lovett than Providence, Creighton, Seton Hall or even DePaul who has a balanced lineup. If you can not admit that to yourself you have drank some coolaid. Don't worry, they can go from worst to first next year. Keep the faith.
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Clearly some here just don't get it. This team has plenty of talent. However the coaching and depth are non-existent. This team was a few minutes away from beating three top 25 teams in ASU, SHU and Creighton. They did that on sheer athleticism. Add in some strong in-game coaching and they'd probably be 2-1 in these 3 games.
It won't surprise me if the Johnnies still shock a few teams during BE play and pull an upset in the BE tourney. Again their talent level is top half of the conference good. And then some posters here will start chiming in and saying "see I told you so, the coaching staff is getting better." No! That's the problem. This staff has fatal flaws that need to be addressed with better assistants.
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Sense an assistant staff change will occur for next season, incorporating a guy with college experience.
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Sense an assistant staff change will occur for next season, incorporating a guy with college experience.
Again I not sure what you can do with 5 players. Being outmanned and playing well enough to lose close games takes a toll. I was worried team would get frustrated and quit and that seems to be the case. People can talk about playing zone and better offensive sets but the main problem this year was the roster imbalance. You want to put all your eggs in the transfer basket and you are one injury away from a 2-16 BE season. Yes I am confident we will find a way to win 2 games.
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Is it true, guys were laughing on bench at end of game? If true, Mullin better send a message tomorrow that this season is on brink of spiraling out of control. And guys better look st themselves in mirror.
Lovett
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Sense an assistant staff change will occur for next season, incorporating a guy with college experience.
Again I not sure what you can do with 5 players. Being outmanned and playing well enough to lose close games takes a toll. I was worried team would get frustrated and quit and that seems to be the case. People can talk about playing zone and better offensive sets but the main problem this year was the roster imbalance. You want to put all your eggs in the transfer basket and you are one injury away from a 2-16 BE season. Yes I am confident we will find a way to win 2 games.
Agree, adding an experienced assistant coach for next year may help going forward, but this year is all about short roster.
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Sense an assistant staff change will occur for next season, incorporating a guy with college experience.
The fact that Mullin has to be dragged kicking and screaming in year four to make a change says something about the Golden Boy. Saying this year is all about depth is BS if you can not see the short comings on what is going on out on the court. Sure we will be better with more depth and better talent but we will always be deficient and lacking in coaching unless Mo turns team over to an assistant who a good basketball coach. Mullin only good as a figure head and there have been plenty of successful head coaches that owe much to that valuable trusted assistants.
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Sense an assistant staff change will occur for next season, incorporating a guy with college experience.
The fact that Mullin has to be dragged kicking and screaming in year four to make a change says something about the Golden Boy. Saying this year is all about depth is BS if you can not see the short comings on what is going on out on the court. Sure we will be better with more depth and better talent but we will always be deficient and lacking in coaching unless Mo turns team over to an assistant who a good basketball coach. Mullin only good as a figure head and there have been plenty of successful head coaches that owe much to that valuable trusted assistants.
Is it possible that he’s as smart as he sounds?
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When you have a short bench the coach needs to do help the problem. Why do we play so fast? Why don’t we play zone? It’s not like our man defense is good.
Jarvis the year after artest left had 6/7 guys. After those 6/7 it was heath orvis. He played zone for much of the 1st half . That team wasn’t big either. Still they rebounded.
This current pace can be sustained if you 7/8 guys that are really good shooters and really athletic.
How many of our missed 3’s turn into easy baskets for the other team?
Villanova - big east tournament- we earned no fouls until after half. Never heard of that before. We almost did it again yesterday. 1st foul was called on depaul at the 16 minute mark. That is not bad luck. That is on the soft style of play.
Short bench- timeouts- can also be used as rest. Does coach Mullin do this? No! If their was a plan- take the first timeout at the 10 minute mark of every game. He almost always saves his first until the last minute of the half. Sometimes he loses the timeout. Second half- game ended with 2 timeouts left- 2 opportunities to give rest or instruction lost. That is the norm. Happens often.
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Sense an assistant staff change will occur for next season, incorporating a guy with college experience.
Again I not sure what you can do with 5 players. Being outmanned and playing well enough to lose close games takes a toll. I was worried team would get frustrated and quit and that seems to be the case. People can talk about playing zone and better offensive sets but the main problem this year was the roster imbalance. You want to put all your eggs in the transfer basket and you are one injury away from a 2-16 BE season. Yes I am confident we will find a way to win 2 games.
SMU went 30-5 last year and basically only had 6 guys
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Depth is the secondary issue here. Coaching is front and center.
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Depth isn't a secondary issue when Amar is playing 10+ minutes two games in a row.
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Sense an assistant staff change will occur for next season, incorporating a guy with college experience.
Again I not sure what you can do with 5 players. Being outmanned and playing well enough to lose close games takes a toll. I was worried team would get frustrated and quit and that seems to be the case. People can talk about playing zone and better offensive sets but the main problem this year was the roster imbalance. You want to put all your eggs in the transfer basket and you are one injury away from a 2-16 BE season. Yes I am confident we will find a way to win 2 games.
SMU went 30-5 last year and basically only had 6 guys
Yep. And most importantly, none of those 6 guys missed time. One guy missed 1 game.
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Depth isn't a secondary issue when Amar is playing 10+ minutes two games in a row.
We didn’t get blown out yesterday at home because of Amar.
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Depth isn't a secondary issue when Amar is playing 10+ minutes two games in a row.
We didn’t get blown out yesterday at home because of Amar.
This x1000
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Depth isn't a secondary issue when Amar is playing 10+ minutes two games in a row.
We didn’t get blown out yesterday at home because of Amar.
This x1000
And I'm not saying we did because of Amar, although he was easily the worst player on the court. But depth isn't a secondary issue this season. Depth and subpar coaching can both coexist has the biggest issues of the season.
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Depth isn't a secondary issue when Amar is playing 10+ minutes two games in a row.
We didn’t get blown out yesterday at home because of Amar.
It was absolutely part of it. He gives the opposing team more points than any player we’ve ever had. It’s one aspect of the staff’s carelessness in assembling this roster. After Mullin’s first year, Amar announced he would transfer, and this braintrust brought him back.
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Depth isn't a secondary issue when Amar is playing 10+ minutes two games in a row.
We didn’t get blown out yesterday at home because of Amar.
It was absolutely part of it. He gives the opposing team more points than any player we’ve ever had. It’s one aspect of the staff’s carelessness in assembling this roster. After Mullin’s first year, Amar announced he would transfer, and this braintrust brought him back.
Amar sucking is on him. Amar still on the team and providing nothing positive is on the staff. The kid is big and decent athlete. He should be able to do something. He checks into the game and really tries. He wants to do well. But he plays his game. He should have a specific role. And that role is not of a gunner.
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Sense an assistant staff change will occur for next season, incorporating a guy with college experience.
The fact that Mullin has to be dragged kicking and screaming in year four to make a change says something about the Golden Boy. Saying this year is all about depth is BS if you can not see the short comings on what is going on out on the court. Sure we will be better with more depth and better talent but we will always be deficient and lacking in coaching unless Mo turns team over to an assistant who a good basketball coach. Mullin only good as a figure head and there have been plenty of successful head coaches that owe much to that valuable trusted assistants.
Does Mullin need to prove he can coach? Yep. But Greg Popovich and Coach K are not making the tourney with a bench of Yakwe, Amar and Trimble. Not to mention a team whose best player is a 6-1 guard who is shooting 38% and 19% from three.
Would we look better and maybe squeeze out another couple wins with a great coach? Again yep. But so what, the problem this year is depth. Which is also on Mullin and little Matt who for some reason is more untouchable on here than Chris Mullin.
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Despite some of the known mistakes, and gaps tied to recruiting over the past three years, I believe Matt A gets more of a pass than than the others, as he's the only one who has experience at their role, and if he were to leave tomorrow, I don't think any of the staff would have the slightest clue where to pick up.
As for Matt's in-game activities, I'm not quite sure what to make of his role, other than sitting on the bench. I really don't think he does much of anything there, but then again, if he's doing all the recruiting, I'd hope Mitch & St. Jean would be taking the bulk of the work during games.
It's all on Mullin, for all the inadequacies of this year... This is what he is paid to do.
Check out Sean MIller taking responsibility for his team yesterday/
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21987261/arizona-wildcats-coach-sean-miller-says-reach-struggling-team
"You always want your team to play for you as the coach, and our guys, they really struggled playing for me -- they really do," Miller said. "I can't get them to play hard. We do it for a while. I know we've had a win streak and we also have a good team. We have a lot of talent.
"With our team, it's really hard to get our guys to run as fast as they can. That's not them. That's me. I have a hard time reaching our guys. I can't reach them, I really can't.''
Same for Roy Williams yesterday
https://scout.com/college/north-carolina/Bolt/Roy-Williamss-Message-in-the-Locker-Room-After-UNCs-Loss-to-Virginia-113315307
“It was a big ‘ole butt kicking, that’s all it was," Williams said to start his press conference.
The loss was a combination of inept offense, excessive turnovers, and a lack of intensity. Williams, as usual, placed much of the blame on himself. "...we just act like we’ve never been coached so that falls onto me," he said. "I’ve got to do a better job of coaching this team. There’s not a heck of a lot more to say.”
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
We stink because our coach doesn’t know what he is doing. We have very good big east players. We are going to continue to stink until we get a coach. If we brought in a coach today. We would immediately see improvement.
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We are never going to be a top echelon school in conference with Mullin. He can bring in all the recruits he wants, college kids need to learn to play the gane hard and smart. No talent will over come those 2 facets of game. For the most part, Mullins teams have done neither in his time here.
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
We stink because our coach doesn’t know what he is doing. We have very good big east players. We are going to continue to stink until we get a coach. If we brought in a coach today. We would immediately see improvement.
We have made 2 NCAA tourney's in last 15 years. The program stinks.
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We are never going to be a top echelon school in conference with Mullin. He can bring in all the recruits he wants, college kids need to learn to play the gane hard and smart. No talent will over come those 2 facets of game. For the most part, Mullins teams have done neither in his time here.
Jarvis, Norm, Lavin and Mullin. Roy Williams isn't coming here.
Either go mid major route or through a bunch of cash at Pitino and deal with repercussions of that. I would personally, but that is just me.
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I think we all agree that Mullin has not shown flashes of brilliance in his coaching ability....I don't see see anyone disagreeing on this point. I also don't see anyone disagreeing that an experienced assistant coach would help the process. However, if John Wooden came back to life and was assisting yesterday he could not coach 40 additional pounds onto Owens to compete under the boards with Maric - a 6-11 250 pound bull who mentally is a center. Every BE team has a strong center and at least one power forward. We are playing with 6 players right now who are either shooting guards or small forwards. You can not compete in this league with that type rotation!!! The coaching staff could have done better in both the Providence game and yesterday, but please do not tell me that we are more talented than anyone this year. The three best players on the floor yesterday were Maric, Cain and Strus.
If the coaching staff can't win next year with a center (Keita) and two true power forwards (Brooks and Roberts) then it is all on them. They have done an outstanding job recruiting and getting the roster balanced next year. Now they need to coach them successfully. Did anyone really expect more in year three when the first year they had Ron Mvouika, Durand Johnson and Mussini as stars?
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I think we all agree that Mullin has not shown flashes of brilliance in his coaching ability....I don't see see anyone disagreeing on this point. I also don't see anyone disagreeing that an experienced assistant coach would help the process. However, if John Wooden came back to life and was assisting yesterday he could not coach 40 additional pounds onto Owens to compete under the boards with Maric - a 6-11 250 pound bull who mentally is a center. Every BE team has a strong center and at least one power forward. We are playing with 6 players right now who are either shooting guards or small forwards. You can not compete in this league with that type rotation!!! The coaching staff could have done better in both the Providence game and yesterday, but please do not tell me that we are more talented than anyone this year. The three best players on the floor yesterday were Maric, Cain and Strus.
If the coaching staff can't win next year with a center (Keita) and two true power forwards (Brooks and Roberts) then it is all on them. They have done an outstanding job recruiting and getting the roster balanced next year. Now they need to coach them successfully. Did anyone really expect more in year three when the first year they had Ron Mvouika, Durand Johnson and Mussini as stars?
We will have transfers, kids leaving and ineligibility issues next year. Probably have 9 again.
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
We stink because our coach doesn’t know what he is doing. We have very good big east players. We are going to continue to stink until we get a coach. If we brought in a coach today. We would immediately see improvement.
There's no doubt about it. Agree wholeheartedly. First and foremost is the coaching. It doesn't matter if we go 12 deep if the coaching sucks and the 5 on the floor play helter skelter due to little coaching then the results will be the same. We definitely have Big East level talent. We need a real in-game coach.
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Why not do some real home work and go out and get a qualified assistant who comes from a great pedigree? Assistants all over country are succeeding who come from elite coaches. Sju chooses to try to put bandaids on severe wounds by hiring shit coaches because they do not want for some reason to go out of circle of trust or do any real searching.
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I think we all agree that Mullin has not shown flashes of brilliance in his coaching ability....I don't see see anyone disagreeing on this point. I also don't see anyone disagreeing that an experienced assistant coach would help the process. However, if John Wooden came back to life and was assisting yesterday he could not coach 40 additional pounds onto Owens to compete under the boards with Maric - a 6-11 250 pound bull who mentally is a center. Every BE team has a strong center and at least one power forward. We are playing with 6 players right now who are either shooting guards or small forwards. You can not compete in this league with that type rotation!!! The coaching staff could have done better in both the Providence game and yesterday, but please do not tell me that we are more talented than anyone this year. The three best players on the floor yesterday were Maric, Cain and Strus.
If the coaching staff can't win next year with a center (Keita) and two true power forwards (Brooks and Roberts) then it is all on them. They have done an outstanding job recruiting and getting the roster balanced next year. Now they need to coach them successfully. Did anyone really expect more in year three when the first year they had Ron Mvouika, Durand Johnson and Mussini as stars?
We will have transfers, kids leaving and ineligibility issues next year. Probably have 9 again.
But those 9 should be much better, and will be a lot more experienced, than this current 9.
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I think we all agree that Mullin has not shown flashes of brilliance in his coaching ability....I don't see see anyone disagreeing on this point. I also don't see anyone disagreeing that an experienced assistant coach would help the process. However, if John Wooden came back to life and was assisting yesterday he could not coach 40 additional pounds onto Owens to compete under the boards with Maric - a 6-11 250 pound bull who mentally is a center. Every BE team has a strong center and at least one power forward. We are playing with 6 players right now who are either shooting guards or small forwards. You can not compete in this league with that type rotation!!! The coaching staff could have done better in both the Providence game and yesterday, but please do not tell me that we are more talented than anyone this year. The three best players on the floor yesterday were Maric, Cain and Strus.
If the coaching staff can't win next year with a center (Keita) and two true power forwards (Brooks and Roberts) then it is all on them. They have done an outstanding job recruiting and getting the roster balanced next year. Now they need to coach them successfully. Did anyone really expect more in year three when the first year they had Ron Mvouika, Durand Johnson and Mussini as stars?
We will have transfers, kids leaving and ineligibility issues next year. Probably have 9 again.
But those 9 should be much better, and will be a lot more experienced, than this current 9.
If anyone transfers it will be Yakwe or Trimble.... That will be a positive, not a negative.
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
We stink because our coach doesn’t know what he is doing. We have very good big east players. We are going to continue to stink until we get a coach. If we brought in a coach today. We would immediately see improvement.
There's no doubt about it. Agree wholeheartedly. First and foremost is the coaching. It doesn't matter if we go 12 deep if the coaching sucks and the 5 on the floor play helter skelter due to little coaching then the results will be the same. We definitely have Big East level talent. We need a real in-game coach.
We full roster. Coaching can improve of course. But a full roster is paramount.
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If we bring in experiences assistant . He will want to change everything. We don’t have have the worst staff in conference or the country. They are the worst in any major sport that I have ever seen. Oliver purnel’s depaul teams were close.
If all we did starting today was improve shot selection, Tariq, Amar, Trimble, and Simon no 3’s.
Demand that Marvin and ownes play in the post instead of the wings. Watch some film- no box out- no rebound.
I wonder what these guys do at practice. It is shocking how bad they are.
I am well aware you guys love Chris Mullin. What do you think about watching this team play? Did you listen to the announcers during the game? He didn’t want to bash mulllin, but it is so ovious why this team gets blown out.
Bring in a HS coach as a consultant, dramatic improvement immediately. Bring in anyone
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I think we all agree that Mullin has not shown flashes of brilliance in his coaching ability....I don't see see anyone disagreeing on this point. I also don't see anyone disagreeing that an experienced assistant coach would help the process. However, if John Wooden came back to life and was assisting yesterday he could not coach 40 additional pounds onto Owens to compete under the boards with Maric - a 6-11 250 pound bull who mentally is a center. Every BE team has a strong center and at least one power forward. We are playing with 6 players right now who are either shooting guards or small forwards. You can not compete in this league with that type rotation!!! The coaching staff could have done better in both the Providence game and yesterday, but please do not tell me that we are more talented than anyone this year. The three best players on the floor yesterday were Maric, Cain and Strus.
If the coaching staff can't win next year with a center (Keita) and two true power forwards (Brooks and Roberts) then it is all on them. They have done an outstanding job recruiting and getting the roster balanced next year. Now they need to coach them successfully. Did anyone really expect more in year three when the first year they had Ron Mvouika, Durand Johnson and Mussini as stars?
You say we can not compete in the BE with our rotation and yet we were ultra competitive ON THE ROAD against two VERY GOOD BE teams in Seton Hall and Creighton. Don't tell me a good coach couldn't have gotten us over the hump in those games ie. not have Amar out there hoisting up 3s.
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I think we all agree that Mullin has not shown flashes of brilliance in his coaching ability....I don't see see anyone disagreeing on this point. I also don't see anyone disagreeing that an experienced assistant coach would help the process. However, if John Wooden came back to life and was assisting yesterday he could not coach 40 additional pounds onto Owens to compete under the boards with Maric - a 6-11 250 pound bull who mentally is a center. Every BE team has a strong center and at least one power forward. We are playing with 6 players right now who are either shooting guards or small forwards. You can not compete in this league with that type rotation!!! The coaching staff could have done better in both the Providence game and yesterday, but please do not tell me that we are more talented than anyone this year. The three best players on the floor yesterday were Maric, Cain and Strus.
If the coaching staff can't win next year with a center (Keita) and two true power forwards (Brooks and Roberts) then it is all on them. They have done an outstanding job recruiting and getting the roster balanced next year. Now they need to coach them successfully. Did anyone really expect more in year three when the first year they had Ron Mvouika, Durand Johnson and Mussini as stars?
You say we can not compete in the BE with our rotation and yet we were ultra competitive ON THE ROAD against two VERY GOOD BE teams in Seton Hall and Creighton. Don't tell me a good coach couldn't have gotten us over the hump in those games ie. not have Amar out there hoisting up 3s.
Everyone is allowed to shoot 3's. Wherever and whenever they wanna hoist up one. The only one who doesn't shoot 'em is Yakwe, and that's because he knows his limitatations. Simon takes 'em every now and again (who can hit 'em when wide open and set). Everyone else has the green light to jack 'em up.
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Imagine the whining you dobags would be doing if we had the talent of duke and we lost to bc and nc state. I guess coach K sucks since he has more talent than either of those teams.
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
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Imagine the whining you dobags would be doing if we had the talent of duke and we lost to bc and nc state. I guess coach K sucks since he has more talent than either of those teams.
Although, Coach K has a ton of talent, they are still relatively young. I bet Duke still wins 25 or more games and likely win a game or two in the NCAA's.
Our fan base would give up a pinky for such.
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
NO
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Imagine the whining you dobags would be doing if we had the talent of duke and we lost to bc and nc state. I guess coach K sucks since he has more talent than either of those teams.
agreed but our best rebounder out of the 5 guys playing is our sub 6 foot point guard. We are far from a complete team
Although, Coach K has a ton of talent, they are still relatively young. I bet Duke still wins 25 or more games and likely win a game or two in the NCAA's.
Our fan base would give up a pinky for such.
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Imagine the whining you dobags would be doing if we had the talent of duke and we lost to bc and nc state. I guess coach K sucks since he has more talent than either of those teams.
Sorry not everyone came come in their pants every time we beat North Central Cream Valley A&M State in a non conference game. Tell us your secret.
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
NO
A month ago, you thought we were good. The players haven’t gotten worse
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
NO
Same guy lamenting the roster all off season.
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
Hilarious.
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Imagine the whining you dobags would be doing if we had the talent of duke and we lost to bc and nc state. I guess coach K sucks since he has more talent than either of those teams.
Sorry not everyone came come in their pants every time we beat North Central Cream Valley A&M State in a non conference game. Tell us your secret.
who can rebound on this team asswipe? What do you think that means? We're not good as we don't have a single power guy. Are you too stupid to understand?
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Adonis De La Rosa with 24 and 14 last night. Trust the process
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
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Same guy lamenting the roster all off season.
I think the players are good. Ponds and Simon could be all big east. Ownes is really good, he shouldn’t be taking 3’s . Clarke is good, shouldn’t be on the perimeter. Ahmed is playing better then I thought. He is scoring the Basketball.
All my lamenting has been on shot selection, over rated defense, no box out. That is all coaching.
Ponds high 4 star
Simon- 5 star
Clarke- high 3
Yakwe- 4 star
Ownes - 3 star
Ahmed - all American juco
Trimble- 3 star - decent offers
Plenty of talent here.
Creighton or Xavier’s guys were rated higher?
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The lack of improving on-court chemistry with such a talented core is a telling sign that you need a guy to come in here and coach these kids up. Plenty of hungry assistants who know their shit around the country who want a shot at the BE. Hire one, Mullin.
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Clarke is good, shouldn’t be on the perimeter.
Clark is a lights out shooter with no post game whatsoever. But yeah keep him off the perimeter
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Clarke is good, shouldn’t be on the perimeter.
Clark is a lights out shooter with no post game whatsoever. But yeah keep him off the perimeter
He can’t get rebounds from there
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
NO
Lavin is one of the best coaches in the country when he's not coaching.
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Clarke is good, shouldn’t be on the perimeter.
Clark is a lights out shooter with no post game whatsoever. But yeah keep him off the perimeter
He can’t get rebounds from there
So you want to take your best 3 point shooter who is not a good rebounder anyway, and take him off the perimeter, where he's good, to help down low, where he's bad? I don't think you realize how incredibly stupid of an idea that is
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Imagine the whining you dobags would be doing if we had the talent of duke and we lost to bc and nc state. I guess coach K sucks since he has more talent than either of those teams.
Sorry not everyone came come in their pants every time we beat North Central Cream Valley A&M State in a non conference game. Tell us your secret.
who can rebound on this team asswipe? What do you think that means? We're not good as we don't have a single power guy. Are you too stupid to understand?
Just remember you started with the name calling something I don't particularly like F HEAD. A lot of rebounding is mentality run some drills and make these guys get after it like their life depended on it. Also if you design an offense where everybody and I mean everybody is on the perimeter you aren't going to get many offensive boards. How about one guy stay near the basket when someone shoots you know just in case the ball accidentally bounces to him. We emphasized rebounding for the Nebraska game and kicked their ass on the boards against a bigger team so we can improve in that area. See how that works genius?
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Clarke is good, shouldn’t be on the perimeter.
Clark is a lights out shooter with no post game whatsoever. But yeah keep him off the perimeter
He can’t get rebounds from there
So you want to take your best 3 point shooter who is not a good rebounder anyway, and take him off the perimeter, where he's good, to help down low, where he's bad? I don't think you realize how incredibly stupid of an idea that is
I don’t think you win basketball games with the 3,4, and 5 hovering at the 3 point line. I also don’t think Taking almost 30 3 pointers a game is good strategy. I am aware that Clarke’s percentage is currently high. I don’t view him as a lock down shooter. (Maybe he is) if his percentage stays high all season, then my opinion was wrong.
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Marvin Clark is, by far, the closest we have to a knock down shooter.
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The issue is Ponds shooting almost 7 three pointers per game while shooting 20%. That is absolutely pathetic.
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Imagine the whining you dobags would be doing if we had the talent of duke and we lost to bc and nc state. I guess coach K sucks since he has more talent than either of those teams.
Sorry not everyone came come in their pants every time we beat North Central Cream Valley A&M State in a non conference game. Tell us your secret.
who can rebound on this team asswipe? What do you think that means? We're not good as we don't have a single power guy. Are you too stupid to understand?
Just remember you started with the name calling something I don't particularly like F HEAD. A lot of rebounding is mentality run some drills and make these guys get after it like their life depended on it. Also if you design an offense where everybody and I mean everybody is on the perimeter you aren't going to get many offensive boards. How about one guy stay near the basket when someone shoots you know just in case the ball accidentally bounces to him. We emphasized rebounding for the Nebraska game and kicked their ass on the boards against a bigger team so we can improve in that area. See how that works genius?
I actually agree that rebounding is mostly about heart. Alas, on this team our small guys have more of a hunger for it i.e. ponds, than our bigs Owens and Clark. I don't have your optimism that we can change that. One of the reasons I look forward to next years class.
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Imagine the whining you dobags would be doing if we had the talent of duke and we lost to bc and nc state. I guess coach K sucks since he has more talent than either of those teams.
Sorry not everyone came come in their pants every time we beat North Central Cream Valley A&M State in a non conference game. Tell us your secret.
who can rebound on this team asswipe? What do you think that means? We're not good as we don't have a single power guy. Are you too stupid to understand?
Just remember you started with the name calling something I don't particularly like F HEAD. A lot of rebounding is mentality run some drills and make these guys get after it like their life depended on it. Also if you design an offense where everybody and I mean everybody is on the perimeter you aren't going to get many offensive boards. How about one guy stay near the basket when someone shoots you know just in case the ball accidentally bounces to him. We emphasized rebounding for the Nebraska game and kicked their ass on the boards against a bigger team so we can improve in that area. See how that works genius?
I actually agree that rebounding is mostly about heart. Alas, on this team our small guys have more of a hunger for it i.e. ponds, than our bigs Owens and Clark. I don't have your optimism that we can change that. One of the reasons I look forward to next years class.
Agree. Cool
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
NO
Same guy lamenting the roster all off season.
Me?
I think if Lovett had not gotten hurt or whatever we had a shot at being on bubble.
Team had little room for error and Lovett not playing killed us.
Are there better coaches than Mullin? Yeah but with the current state of the roster no one is getting them to tourney let alone Steve Lavin
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
NO
Same guy lamenting the roster all off season.
Me?
I think if Lovett had not gotten hurt or whatever we had a shot at being on bubble.
Team had little room for error and Lovett not playing killed us.
Are there better coaches than Mullin? Yeah but with the current state of the roster no one is getting them to tourney let alone Steve Lavin
There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
NO
Same guy lamenting the roster all off season.
Me?
I think if Lovett had not gotten hurt or whatever we had a shot at being on bubble.
Team had little room for error and Lovett not playing killed us.
Are there better coaches than Mullin? Yeah but with the current state of the roster no one is getting them to tourney let alone Steve Lavin
There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
NO
Same guy lamenting the roster all off season.
Me?
I think if Lovett had not gotten hurt or whatever we had a shot at being on bubble.
Team had little room for error and Lovett not playing killed us.
Are there better coaches than Mullin? Yeah but with the current state of the roster no one is getting them to tourney let alone Steve Lavin
There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
I think Matt Should get another raise.
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a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Lavin managed to get a senior class that included the 3rd leading scorer in SJ history and Dom Pointer's senior year - and he claims to have urged Pointer to red shirt - to the bubble. He started that year 0-3 and worked his way to 3-7. If he'd been coaching this year he'd have relapsed and dumped his losing record on whatever poor slob was his assistant, just like he did his second year.
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
NO
Same guy lamenting the roster all off season.
Me?
I think if Lovett had not gotten hurt or whatever we had a shot at being on bubble.
Team had little room for error and Lovett not playing killed us.
Are there better coaches than Mullin? Yeah but with the current state of the roster no one is getting them to tourney let alone Steve Lavin
There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
You just misstated everything I said but OK.
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
NO
Same guy lamenting the roster all off season.
Me?
I think if Lovett had not gotten hurt or whatever we had a shot at being on bubble.
Team had little room for error and Lovett not playing killed us.
Are there better coaches than Mullin? Yeah but with the current state of the roster no one is getting them to tourney let alone Steve Lavin
No I was agreeing with you. Talking about tony.
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If we hadn't fired Slice (or never hired him in the first place), we also wouldn't be paying millions of dollars each year into a black hole. I doubt our budget allowed Mullin to hire anyone on staff. (And before you ask, I blame Mullin for this)
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Clarke is good, shouldn’t be on the perimeter.
Clark is a lights out shooter with no post game whatsoever. But yeah keep him off the perimeter
He can’t get rebounds from there
So you want to take your best 3 point shooter who is not a good rebounder anyway, and take him off the perimeter, where he's good, to help down low, where he's bad? I don't think you realize how incredibly stupid of an idea that is
Remember Owens is also taking outside shots. We need rebounding from or bigs. Yakwe seems to have the most desire to rebound and play on the inside. Need a balanced inside/out game. Ponds volume shooting is also a problem. Even though AA didn’t loose the game, I would have given all his minutes to Yakwe. Staff has to teach how to box out and emphasize rebounding. The season starting out so promising and now it Looks like we will end up in the bottom part of the BE standings. Another disappointing year. We also just don’t have enough depth.
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Steve Lavin has this team on the bubble. A good coach has this team a 5/6 seed.
NO
Same guy lamenting the roster all off season.
Me?
I think if Lovett had not gotten hurt or whatever we had a shot at being on bubble.
Team had little room for error and Lovett not playing killed us.
Are there better coaches than Mullin? Yeah but with the current state of the roster no one is getting them to tourney let alone Steve Lavin
There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
You just misstated everything I said but OK.
No I just disagree with what you said.
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Clarke is good, shouldn’t be on the perimeter.
Clark is a lights out shooter with no post game whatsoever. But yeah keep him off the perimeter
He can’t get rebounds from there
So you want to take your best 3 point shooter who is not a good rebounder anyway, and take him off the perimeter, where he's good, to help down low, where he's bad? I don't think you realize how incredibly stupid of an idea that is
Remember Owens is also taking outside shots. We need rebounding from or bigs. Yakwe seems to have the most desire to rebound and play on the inside. Need a balanced inside/out game. Ponds volume shooting is also a problem. Even though AA didn’t loose the game, I would have given all his minutes to Yakwe. Staff has to teach how to box out and emphasize rebounding. The season starting out so promising and now it Looks like we will end up in the bottom part of the BE standings. Another disappointing year. We also just don’t have enough depth.
Division 1 Big East players should know how to Box out before stepping into college. Basics are a huge problem in the AAU world
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
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Clarke is good, shouldn’t be on the perimeter.
Clark is a lights out shooter with no post game whatsoever. But yeah keep him off the perimeter
He can’t get rebounds from there
So you want to take your best 3 point shooter who is not a good rebounder anyway, and take him off the perimeter, where he's good, to help down low, where he's bad? I don't think you realize how incredibly stupid of an idea that is
Remember Owens is also taking outside shots. We need rebounding from or bigs. Yakwe seems to have the most desire to rebound and play on the inside. Need a balanced inside/out game. Ponds volume shooting is also a problem. Even though AA didn’t loose the game, I would have given all his minutes to Yakwe. Staff has to teach how to box out and emphasize rebounding. The season starting out so promising and now it Looks like we will end up in the bottom part of the BE standings. Another disappointing year. We also just don’t have enough depth.
Division 1 Big East players should know how to Box out before stepping into college. Basics are a huge problem in the AAU world
AAU has done a whale of a job killing the fundamentals of the game. There are some good guys still affiliated with AAU, but it's few and far between. The garbage coaching has also trickled down to high school coaches, as well.
I watch my share of high school hoops here in my area (whether, it's local teams or out of town teams in tournaments held here), and there's a share of shitty coaching in the high school's. AAU is much worse, though.
This team doesn't box out and hardly ever seem to get offensive rebounds. It's sandlot/street ball, where every single player has the green light to do whatever the hell they please on the offensive end.
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Mullin and staff have put all their eggs in making year 4 to be the true breakout season. It almost seems like this year, he was just hoping for best with this thin team. Problem is, every year is different with tons of turnover so to say “next year” we are deeper and more talented is wasting everyone’s time until they prove it on court. Especially since he can not coach, nor his assistants.
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have carte blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have our group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have care blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have or group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
Do they have enough talent without LoVett?
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have care blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have or group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
Do they have enough talent without LoVett?
Yep. Do you think they're the worst team in the conference without LoVett? Be honest.
Remember, this team was on the cusp of beating two teams (Seton Hall & Creighton) ON the road that, IMO, are better than Providence and DePaul (whom both smoked us at home).
Really? DePaul beat the stew outta us at home.
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have care blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have or group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
Do they have enough talent without LoVett?
Borderline with, absolutely not w/o.
I am sorry but I have said this before this season. Putting all your eggs on transfers is flawed and kind of lazy IMO.
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have care blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have or group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
Do they have enough talent without LoVett?
Putting all your eggs on transfers is flawed and kind of lazy IMO.
We agree here.
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have care blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have or group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
Do they have enough talent without LoVett?
Yep. Do you think they're the worst team in the conference without LoVett? Be honest.
Remember, this team was on the cusp of beating two teams (Seton Hall & Creighton) ON the road that, IMO, are better than Providence and DePaul (whom both smoked us at home).
Really? DePaul beat the stew outta us at home.
We don't have the talent without LoVett to be anywhere near the NCAA bubble or the NIT. I'd say we'd be better than DePaul and Georgetown but not by that much.
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have care blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have or group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
Do they have enough talent without LoVett?
Yep. Do you think they're the worst team in the conference without LoVett? Be honest.
Remember, this team was on the cusp of beating two teams (Seton Hall & Creighton) ON the road that, IMO, are better than Providence and DePaul (whom both smoked us at home).
Really? DePaul beat the stew outta us at home.
We don't have the talent without LoVett to be anywhere near the NCAA bubble or the NIT. I'd say we'd be better than DePaul and Georgetown but not by that much.
Well, in that case, we really wasn't that talented from jumpstreet per your synopsis. That also means we're not gonna be that talented next season, as I doubt LoVett is at St. John's in '18-'19.
Nevertheless, I'll agree to disagree.
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have care blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have or group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
Do they have enough talent without LoVett?
Yep. Do you think they're the worst team in the conference without LoVett? Be honest.
Remember, this team was on the cusp of beating two teams (Seton Hall & Creighton) ON the road that, IMO, are better than Providence and DePaul (whom both smoked us at home).
Really? DePaul beat the stew outta us at home.
We don't have the talent without LoVett to be anywhere near the NCAA bubble or the NIT. I'd say we'd be better than DePaul and Georgetown but not by that much.
Well, in that case, we really wasn't that talented from jumpstreet per your synopsis. That also means we're not gonna be that talented next season, as I doubt LoVett is at St. John's in '18-'19.
Nevertheless, I'll agree to disagree.
Not necessarily though. My prognosis was that we were a very delicate team and couldn't afford a single injury. We were/are talented 1-5 but that's really abotu it. If everyone was healthy for the whole season, we could be a 7-10 seed in the NCAA tourney. One injury could derail us. Unfortunately, that injury happened. This delicate structure has a lot to do with Mullin and Matt A's constructing the team.
If (as I expect) LoVett leaves, we should still be a lot more deeper with Keita, Williams, Brooks and Dixon. I would hope it's also safe to assume Roberts is better than Amar. We should have a solid 8 man rotation if no one else from our starting lineup transfers/leaves early.
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have care blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have or group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
Do they have enough talent without LoVett?
Yep. Do you think they're the worst team in the conference without LoVett? Be honest.
Remember, this team was on the cusp of beating two teams (Seton Hall & Creighton) ON the road that, IMO, are better than Providence and DePaul (whom both smoked us at home).
Really? DePaul beat the stew outta us at home.
We don't have the talent without LoVett to be anywhere near the NCAA bubble or the NIT. I'd say we'd be better than DePaul and Georgetown but not by that much.
Well, in that case, we really wasn't that talented from jumpstreet per your synopsis. That also means we're not gonna be that talented next season, as I doubt LoVett is at St. John's in '18-'19.
Nevertheless, I'll agree to disagree.
Not necessarily though. My prognosis was that we were a very delicate team and couldn't afford a single injury. We were/are talented 1-5 but that's really abotu it. If everyone was healthy for the whole season, we could be a 7-10 seed in the NCAA tourney. One injury could derail us. Unfortunately, that injury happened. This delicate structure has a lot to do with Mullin and Matt A's constructing the team.
If (as I expect) LoVett leaves, we should still be a lot more deeper with Keita, Williams, Brooks and Dixon. I would hope it's also safe to assume Roberts is better than Amar. We should have a solid 8 man rotation if no one else from our starting lineup transfers/leaves early.
Your latter paragraph is focusing on depth rather than overall talent. Depth is good, but overall talent is better.
Keita is decent, but still somewhat raw. Maybe, the year off helps him. Brooks probably will be of aide, as I think he can help us right outta the gate. Remember, he's also yet to sign. I'm not expecting a ton from Williams, but I'd love to be surprised. Dixon probably will also help us outta the gate.
Once again, some of y'all continue to ignore the elephant in the room.
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have care blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have or group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
Do they have enough talent without LoVett?
Yep. Do you think they're the worst team in the conference without LoVett? Be honest.
Remember, this team was on the cusp of beating two teams (Seton Hall & Creighton) ON the road that, IMO, are better than Providence and DePaul (whom both smoked us at home).
Really? DePaul beat the stew outta us at home.
We don't have the talent without LoVett to be anywhere near the NCAA bubble or the NIT. I'd say we'd be better than DePaul and Georgetown but not by that much.
Well, in that case, we really wasn't that talented from jumpstreet per your synopsis. That also means we're not gonna be that talented next season, as I doubt LoVett is at St. John's in '18-'19.
Nevertheless, I'll agree to disagree.
Not necessarily though. My prognosis was that we were a very delicate team and couldn't afford a single injury. We were/are talented 1-5 but that's really abotu it. If everyone was healthy for the whole season, we could be a 7-10 seed in the NCAA tourney. One injury could derail us. Unfortunately, that injury happened. This delicate structure has a lot to do with Mullin and Matt A's constructing the team.
If (as I expect) LoVett leaves, we should still be a lot more deeper with Keita, Williams, Brooks and Dixon. I would hope it's also safe to assume Roberts is better than Amar. We should have a solid 8 man rotation if no one else from our starting lineup transfers/leaves early.
Gene Keady is better than Amar.
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If we hadn't fired Slice (or never hired him in the first place), we also wouldn't be paying millions of dollars each year into a black hole. I doubt our budget allowed Mullin to hire anyone on staff. (And before you ask, I blame Mullin for this)
We do all realize that no actual big time basketball program would take the position that because they're still overpaying a fired assistant they can't put together a complete and competent staff. Especially not one that has a conference tv package paying them $4-5 million per year.
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If we hadn't fired Slice (or never hired him in the first place), we also wouldn't be paying millions of dollars each year into a black hole. I doubt our budget allowed Mullin to hire anyone on staff. (And before you ask, I blame Mullin for this)
We do all realize that no actual big time basketball program would take the position that because they're still overpaying a fired assistant they can't put together a complete and competent staff. Especially not one that has a conference tv package paying them $4-5 million per year.
The Wilpons would.
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Depth isn't a secondary issue when Amar is playing 10+ minutes two games in a row.
We didn’t get blown out yesterday at home because of Amar.
It was absolutely part of it. He gives the opposing team more points than any player we’ve ever had. It’s one aspect of the staff’s carelessness in assembling this roster. After Mullin’s first year, Amar announced he would transfer, and this braintrust brought him back.
Amar sucking is on him. Amar still on the team and providing nothing positive is on the staff. The kid is big and decent athlete. He should be able to do something. He checks into the game and really tries. He wants to do well. But he plays his game. He should have a specific role. And that role is not of a gunner.
There is no role that he can fill. Can’t shoot, pass, defend or rebound. Nice kid. As you say, him being on team and still playing is on staff. Very frustrating to see him enter game and especially frustrating when he sets up on perimeter and calls for the ball. Would rather see him foul out after 5 hard picks.
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Amar's biggest contribution to the program will be if he goes back to Europe after this season and helps the staff recruit a few top Euros to SJU.
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Amar's biggest contribution to the program will be if he goes back to Europe after this season and helps the staff recruit a few top Euros to SJU.
Wouldn't trust his evaluations. He thinks he is good.
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Amar's biggest contribution to the program will be if he goes back to Europe after this season and helps the staff recruit a few top Euros to SJU.
Wouldn't trust his evaluations. He thinks he is good.
;D
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Maybe bring in Jimmy Patsos?
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Maybe bring in Jimmy Patsos?
His current seat is hot enough
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Maybe bring in Jimmy Patsos?
Holy shit, you really do want this team to fail.
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Maybe bring in Jimmy Patsos?
Holy shit, you really do want this team to fail.
Sarcasm. If you're going to go down in flames, might as well take the express elevator
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
Just curious on thoughts - if a small Catholic school like Villanova can consistently be a Top 10 program in basketball, why can't St. john's...?
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This article on Jay Wright covers some of that.
https://www.gq.com/story/jay-wright-villanova-the-anti-coach
It's not that we can't, it's that building a program takes time, commitment, right leadership, financial support etc.
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
Just curious on thoughts - if a small Catholic school like Villanova can consistently be a Top 10 program in basketball, why can't St. john's...?
Agree, but you could ask the same question about the academic gap between the two universities as well. This is the product of decades of mismanagement, theft and gross negligence by Harrington and his team. He destroyed much of what Father Cahill and Jack Kaiser built. I don't think the current admin and alumni base realize the extreme hole that the university is in. You would think that Mullin does, though.
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
Just curious on thoughts - if a small Catholic school like Villanova can consistently be a Top 10 program in basketball, why can't St. john's...?
Found perfect coach that recruits to his style of play has been wildly successful and decided to stay.
Short answer Jay Wright
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have care blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have or group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
Do they have enough talent without LoVett?
Borderline with, absolutely not w/o.
I am sorry but I have said this before this season. Putting all your eggs on transfers is flawed and kind of lazy IMO.
Agree with you on depth but disagree with you on transfers. Matt has done a nice job evaluating these kids hes brought in as transfers. Simon is absolutely the goods, Tariq is performing very well and Marvin Clark is contributing. Not a bust among those three. Yes, we should have absolutely convinced either Darien Williams or Mussini to stay to have another body. Amar's regression is pathetic but to me biggest issue of all is the in-game coaching, lack of adjustments and the lack of presence on the sideline from our head coach.
Greg St. Jean was given this position of power so what I'm about to say is not his fault, it's the fault of the person who decided to hire him and if he is allowed to stick around with this much power, it will be the fault of the AD as well. Greg St. Jean may be one of, if not THE most unqualified assistant coaches in the conference, and he certainly is the most unqualified that has this much power over the product we're seeing on the floor. He came in to this job with absolutely no coaching experience and was given immense power over running huddles and practices. Mullin has grabbed the whiteboard more in huddles and has stopped sitting on the scorers table, but if you watch what happens on the sidelines and in timeouts you will see its still St. Jean that gives the majority of the direction. I have also been told by people who have seen some practices that this is the case in practices as well. Mullin's body language on the sideline as well is not of one of someone who seems in command and he consistently reverts to getting on officials as his team is struggling.
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I think we all can agree that the failure to have 1 assistant w exp on the staff, especially since Mullin had no exp., is a big mistake and should have been rectified this year.
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Per Zach B
St. John's had an extra-long team meeting yesterday, I'm told. Message was they aren't going to be anyone playing selfishly. Staff felt they were selfish at both ends of the floor. #sjubb
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
Just curious on thoughts - if a small Catholic school like Villanova can consistently be a Top 10 program in basketball, why can't St. john's...?
Found perfect coach that recruits to his style of play has been wildly successful and decided to stay.
Short answer Jay Wright
Exactly. Finally we agree on something. In college all things being fairly equal the head coach is the program.
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Per Zach B
St. John's had an extra-long team meeting yesterday, I'm told. Message was they aren't going to be anyone playing selfishly. Staff felt they were selfish at both ends of the floor. #sjubb
But, at the same time, someone selfishly resting a knee that others would be playing on by now is ok
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
Just curious on thoughts - if a small Catholic school like Villanova can consistently be a Top 10 program in basketball, why can't St. john's...?
Because we can't get a Jay Wright, a coach that knows wtf he's doing.
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Per Zach B
St. John's had an extra-long team meeting yesterday, I'm told. Message was they aren't going to be anyone playing selfishly. Staff felt they were selfish at both ends of the floor. #sjubb
Too late
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Per Zach B
St. John's had an extra-long team meeting yesterday, I'm told. Message was they aren't going to be anyone playing selfishly. Staff felt they were selfish at both ends of the floor. #sjubb
But, at the same time, someone selfishly resting a knee that others would be playing on by now is ok
There are soft people in this world, Marcus is one of them.
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
Just curious on thoughts - if a small Catholic school like Villanova can consistently be a Top 10 program in basketball, why can't St. john's...?
Because we can't get a Jay Wright, a coach that knows wtf he's doing.
As they say on Family Feud - GOOD ANSWER, GOOD ANSWER. It's not that we can't get a Jay Wright it's that we have never been bright enough too. Only guy I would have hired since Lou is FF.
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
Just curious on thoughts - if a small Catholic school like Villanova can consistently be a Top 10 program in basketball, why can't St. john's...?
Because we can't get a Jay Wright, a coach that knows wtf he's doing.
As they say on Family Feud - GOOD ANSWER, GOOD ANSWER. It's not that we can't get a Jay Wright it's that we have never been bright enough too. Only guy I would have hired since Lou is FF.
They are not very many Jay Wright's! There are good coaches, better than Mullin, Lavin, Norm etcetera . But they probably would look to leave as soon as they had some success. We are in a tough spot.
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have care blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have or group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
Do they have enough talent without LoVett?
Borderline with, absolutely not w/o.
I am sorry but I have said this before this season. Putting all your eggs on transfers is flawed and kind of lazy IMO.
Agree with you on depth but disagree with you on transfers. Matt has done a nice job evaluating these kids hes brought in as transfers. Simon is absolutely the goods, Tariq is performing very well and Marvin Clark is contributing. Not a bust among those three. Yes, we should have absolutely convinced either Darien Williams or Mussini to stay to have another body. Amar's regression is pathetic but to me biggest issue of all is the in-game coaching, lack of adjustments and the lack of presence on the sideline from our head coach.
Greg St. Jean was given this position of power so what I'm about to say is not his fault, it's the fault of the person who decided to hire him and if he is allowed to stick around with this much power, it will be the fault of the AD as well. Greg St. Jean may be one of, if not THE most unqualified assistant coaches in the conference, and he certainly is the most unqualified that has this much power over the product we're seeing on the floor. He came in to this job with absolutely no coaching experience and was given immense power over running huddles and practices. Mullin has grabbed the whiteboard more in huddles and has stopped sitting on the scorers table, but if you watch what happens on the sidelines and in timeouts you will see its still St. Jean that gives the majority of the direction. I have also been told by people who have seen some practices that this is the case in practices as well. Mullin's body language on the sideline as well is not of one of someone who seems in command and he consistently reverts to getting on officials as his team is struggling.
You can get bye playing 5 or 6 if 3 of them are all league like Barkley, Postell and Bootsy. Plus Glover, Junior year Reggie Jessie and Chudney Gray were good players.
As far as transfer thing. I really like Simon and Owens and Clark though somewhat disappointing is solid. I am just saying that I wouldn't mind some solid HS recruits mixed in.
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There are absolutely coaches who could get this team on the tourney. You remind me of friends I had in high school when senior year we used to play tackle football and the guys thought they were tougher than the players on the high school football team and wanted to challenge them. Had to tell my buddies they would kill us because of how organized they would be. We go into games at a disadvantage because of coaching simple as that. Best thing Mullin could do for us is continue to have a staff recruit at a high level and then turn the reins over to a much more competent basketball coach.
Ok then what coach is ST John's University going to bring in that would get 5 BE quality players to the tourney. Don't bother answering because answer is no one. Again the fact that we only have 5 players is on Mullin and his little asst that everyone loves. And yes there are better coaches, but a 5 seed? Lavin? That is laughable.
Whether, it be a 5 seed or lower, or with Lavin or another coach.... There are coaches who can get this team to the NCAA Tournament or, at the least, have 'em on the bubble.
Mike Jarvis went 12-4 (25-8 overall) in the Big East, and won the conference totournament with essentially a 6-man rotation and no one over 6'8" in the lineup (Erick Barkley also missed 5 games during the season, which practically limited it a 5-man roster).
Barkley, Bootsy and Postell are way better than Ponds, Simon and Ahmed.
Maybe, so. But, it still was a short rotation. That was the argument.
Basically, the current short rotation has sufficient talent, but they have care blanche to do whatever on the offensive end and it can, at times, resemble a fire drill when teams have or group running around scrambling with sound ball movement on the defensive end.
Some of y'all sound like a few Gamecock fans I know. The SEC East is straight up trash, outside of Georgia. But, some Gamecock fans believe it is good football with teams just beating up on one another in the East. I know the difference between sports "cannibalism" and seeing a shitty product.
Do they have enough talent without LoVett?
Borderline with, absolutely not w/o.
I am sorry but I have said this before this season. Putting all your eggs on transfers is flawed and kind of lazy IMO.
Agree with you on depth but disagree with you on transfers. Matt has done a nice job evaluating these kids hes brought in as transfers. Simon is absolutely the goods, Tariq is performing very well and Marvin Clark is contributing. Not a bust among those three. Yes, we should have absolutely convinced either Darien Williams or Mussini to stay to have another body. Amar's regression is pathetic but to me biggest issue of all is the in-game coaching, lack of adjustments and the lack of presence on the sideline from our head coach.
Greg St. Jean was given this position of power so what I'm about to say is not his fault, it's the fault of the person who decided to hire him and if he is allowed to stick around with this much power, it will be the fault of the AD as well. Greg St. Jean may be one of, if not THE most unqualified assistant coaches in the conference, and he certainly is the most unqualified that has this much power over the product we're seeing on the floor. He came in to this job with absolutely no coaching experience and was given immense power over running huddles and practices. Mullin has grabbed the whiteboard more in huddles and has stopped sitting on the scorers table, but if you watch what happens on the sidelines and in timeouts you will see its still St. Jean that gives the majority of the direction. I have also been told by people who have seen some practices that this is the case in practices as well. Mullin's body language on the sideline as well is not of one of someone who seems in command and he consistently reverts to getting on officials as his team is struggling.
Theo Judge with the homerun out of the stadium
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
Just curious on thoughts - if a small Catholic school like Villanova can consistently be a Top 10 program in basketball, why can't St. john's...?
Because we can't get a Jay Wright, a coach that knows wtf he's doing.
As they say on Family Feud - GOOD ANSWER, GOOD ANSWER. It's not that we can't get a Jay Wright it's that we have never been bright enough too. Only guy I would have hired since Lou is FF.
They are not very many Jay Wright's! There are good coaches, better than Mullin, Lavin, Norm etcetera . But they probably would look to leave as soon as they had some success. We are in a tough spot.
Didn't we have interest and almost hire JW before choosing Jarvis than missed opportunity the next time by year or two as Nova scooped him up and we hired Norm. So bad decision than bad timing. JW hasn't left Nova so why can't we hold on to a coach?
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
Just curious on thoughts - if a small Catholic school like Villanova can consistently be a Top 10 program in basketball, why can't St. john's...?
Because we can't get a Jay Wright, a coach that knows wtf he's doing.
As they say on Family Feud - GOOD ANSWER, GOOD ANSWER. It's not that we can't get a Jay Wright it's that we have never been bright enough too. Only guy I would have hired since Lou is FF.
They are not very many Jay Wright's! There are good coaches, better than Mullin, Lavin, Norm etcetera . But they probably would look to leave as soon as they had some success. We are in a tough spot.
Didn't we have interest and almost hire JW before choosing Jarvis than missed opportunity the next time by year or two as Nova scooped him up and we hired Norm. So bad decision than bad timing. JW hasn't left Nova so why can't we hold on to a coach?
Was it before Jarvis or before Fran.
I thought Fran could have been Louie 2.0. Beside being a lunatic he was already looking to leave off modest success.
People will disagree but I think if we would have hired McKillop instead of Norm we would be a perennial 8 or 9 seed in the tourney. We would probably never make a sweet 16 but we would be competitive most years. I would have signed up for that.
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It's not that hard. Mullin needs to bring in a real asst or two. Otherwise it will be hard.
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
Just curious on thoughts - if a small Catholic school like Villanova can consistently be a Top 10 program in basketball, why can't St. john's...?
Because we can't get a Jay Wright, a coach that knows wtf he's doing.
As they say on Family Feud - GOOD ANSWER, GOOD ANSWER. It's not that we can't get a Jay Wright it's that we have never been bright enough too. Only guy I would have hired since Lou is FF.
They are not very many Jay Wright's! There are good coaches, better than Mullin, Lavin, Norm etcetera . But they probably would look to leave as soon as they had some success. We are in a tough spot.
Didn't we have interest and almost hire JW before choosing Jarvis than missed opportunity the next time by year or two as Nova scooped him up and we hired Norm. So bad decision than bad timing. JW hasn't left Nova so why can't we hold on to a coach?
Was it before Jarvis or before Fran.
I thought Fran could have been Louie 2.0. Beside being a lunatic he was already looking to leave off modest success.
People will disagree but I think if we would have hired McKillop instead of Norm we would be a perennial 8 or 9 seed in the tourney. We would probably never make a sweet 16 but we would be competitive most years. I would have signed up for that.
When Fran was hired Wright hadn't had a winning season at Hofstra yet (2 years in). When Jarvis was hired Wright was coming off his first winning season, which likely wasn't enough to get serious consideration, though I think Maven was pushing him even back then. Could be wrong. When Jarvis should have been fired Wright was only two years into Nova but poaching coaches in conference would not have been a good look. After Hatten saved Jarvis's job and he coached another few months the program was stained and Wright wouldn't have considered it anyway. Agree on the McKillop point.
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
Just curious on thoughts - if a small Catholic school like Villanova can consistently be a Top 10 program in basketball, why can't St. john's...?
Because we can't get a Jay Wright, a coach that knows wtf he's doing.
As they say on Family Feud - GOOD ANSWER, GOOD ANSWER. It's not that we can't get a Jay Wright it's that we have never been bright enough too. Only guy I would have hired since Lou is FF.
They are not very many Jay Wright's! There are good coaches, better than Mullin, Lavin, Norm etcetera . But they probably would look to leave as soon as they had some success. We are in a tough spot.
Didn't we have interest and almost hire JW before choosing Jarvis than missed opportunity the next time by year or two as Nova scooped him up and we hired Norm. So bad decision than bad timing. JW hasn't left Nova so why can't we hold on to a coach?
Was it before Jarvis or before Fran.
I thought Fran could have been Louie 2.0. Beside being a lunatic he was already looking to leave off modest success.
People will disagree but I think if we would have hired McKillop instead of Norm we would be a perennial 8 or 9 seed in the tourney. We would probably never make a sweet 16 but we would be competitive most years. I would have signed up for that.
When Fran was hired Wright hadn't had a winning season at Hofstra yet (2 years in). When Jarvis was hired Wright was coming off his first winning season, which likely wasn't enough to get serious consideration, though I think Maven was pushing him even back then. Could be wrong. When Jarvis should have been fired Wright was only two years into Nova but poaching coaches in conference would not have been a good look. After Hatten saved Jarvis's job and he coached another few months the program was stained and Wright wouldn't have considered it anyway. Agree on the McKillop point.
I believe Jay Wright was going to be the first choice in 2000, if Jarvis bolted for the Wizards (he had an offer), but he decided to stay in the end.
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I think if we don't make the tourney by the year after next Mullin steps down. And if that happens rather than going for another rebuild, I think the school should seriously consider joining a less competitive conference.
Just curious on thoughts - if a small Catholic school like Villanova can consistently be a Top 10 program in basketball, why can't St. john's...?
Because we can't get a Jay Wright, a coach that knows wtf he's doing.
As they say on Family Feud - GOOD ANSWER, GOOD ANSWER. It's not that we can't get a Jay Wright it's that we have never been bright enough too. Only guy I would have hired since Lou is FF.
They are not very many Jay Wright's! There are good coaches, better than Mullin, Lavin, Norm etcetera . But they probably would look to leave as soon as they had some success. We are in a tough spot.
Didn't we have interest and almost hire JW before choosing Jarvis than missed opportunity the next time by year or two as Nova scooped him up and we hired Norm. So bad decision than bad timing. JW hasn't left Nova so why can't we hold on to a coach?
Was it before Jarvis or before Fran.
I thought Fran could have been Louie 2.0. Beside being a lunatic he was already looking to leave off modest success.
People will disagree but I think if we would have hired McKillop instead of Norm we would be a perennial 8 or 9 seed in the tourney. We would probably never make a sweet 16 but we would be competitive most years. I would have signed up for that.
When Fran was hired Wright hadn't had a winning season at Hofstra yet (2 years in). When Jarvis was hired Wright was coming off his first winning season, which likely wasn't enough to get serious consideration, though I think Maven was pushing him even back then. Could be wrong. When Jarvis should have been fired Wright was only two years into Nova but poaching coaches in conference would not have been a good look. After Hatten saved Jarvis's job and he coached another few months the program was stained and Wright wouldn't have considered it anyway. Agree on the McKillop point.
I believe Jay Wright was going to be the first choice in 2000, if Jarvis bolted for the Wizards (he had an offer), but he decided to stay in the end.
Good memory (see below link). Jarvis was being treated like royalty by boosters at the time, free dinners, club visits, cases of booze, etc, and he personally wasn't lifting a finger in recruiting, so...
https://nypost.com/2000/05/22/no-deal-in-place-for-jarvis-wizards/
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they probably need to go 10-7 the rest of the way to make the tournament. if you call the 5 games against xavier, duke, and nova losses, then they have to go 10-2 against the rest of the schedule (this also assumes a 1-1 record in the BE tourny, so it's really 9-1 in the rest of the conference schedule). I don't see how that's possible. they really needed to beat depaul and providence at home, or split at the very least. If this is another lost season they have to think about making a coaching change after next season. mullin was supposed to be an upgrade from lavin who made 2 ncaa and 2 nit in 5 years, and it just doesn't look like that's going to happen unfortunately.
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Not sure how anyone who knows basketball could think that Mullin with zero coaching ability, was an upgrade from Lavin. Changes needed to be made for sure, not cause of what was happening on the court, but because Lavin had shown he had all but given up on making SJU a long term success with him as a coach.
My hope is that Mullin steps down after next year, unless he cans his band of misfits assistant coaches. Excluding Matty A.
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Not sure how anyone who knows basketball could think that Mullin with zero coaching ability, was an upgrade from Lavin. Changes needed to be made for sure, not cause of what was happening on the court, but because Lavin had shown he had all but given up on making SJU a long term success with him as a coach.
My hope is that Mullin steps down after next year, unless he cans his band of misfits assistant coaches. Excluding Matty A.
Excluding Matt A? Why does he a pass?
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Not sure how anyone who knows basketball could think that Mullin with zero coaching ability, was an upgrade from Lavin. Changes needed to be made for sure, not cause of what was happening on the court, but because Lavin had shown he had all but given up on making SJU a long term success with him as a coach.
My hope is that Mullin steps down after next year, unless he cans his band of misfits assistant coaches. Excluding Matty A.
Excluding Matt A? Why does he a pass?
Because he recruited 7 of the 8 guys that are eligible and they are so good that any other coach including Steve Lavin (despite what UCLA fans, those of us who watched him coach and Baron Davis may say) would have them in the Final Four. ::)
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Because the players he has brought in are good enough to win in the big east and with the exception of the AA debacle of him not being recruited over, the last two recruiting cycles have shown with time, he can bring in better talent to compete in Big East.
If only Mullin, would bring in better coaches, we might actually see Matty A's hard work pay off.
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Not sure how anyone who knows basketball could think that Mullin with zero coaching ability, was an upgrade from Lavin. Changes needed to be made for sure, not cause of what was happening on the court, but because Lavin had shown he had all but given up on making SJU a long term success with him as a coach.
My hope is that Mullin steps down after next year, unless he cans his band of misfits assistant coaches. Excluding Matty A.
Excluding Matt A? Why does he a pass?
Because he's the only one doing his job. The guys who are supposed to handle the in-game coaching aren't doing theirs.
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Because the players he has brought in are good enough to win in the big east and with the exception of the AA debacle of him not being recruited over, the last two recruiting cycles have shown with time, he can bring in better talent to compete in Big East.
If only Mullin, would bring in better coaches, we might actually see Matty A's hard work pay off.
The players he brought in are in last place
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Because the players he has brought in are good enough to win in the big east and with the exception of the AA debacle of him not being recruited over, the last two recruiting cycles have shown with time, he can bring in better talent to compete in Big East.
If only Mullin, would bring in better coaches, we might actually see Matty A's hard work pay off.
The players he brought in are in last place
Because the players he has brought in are good enough to win in the big east and with the exception of the AA debacle of him not being recruited over, the last two recruiting cycles have shown with time, he can bring in better talent to compete in Big East.
If only Mullin, would bring in better coaches, we might actually see Matty A's hard work pay off.
Because they are trying to compete without being coached. Kinda hard to do.
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Because the players he has brought in are good enough to win in the big east and with the exception of the AA debacle of him not being recruited over, the last two recruiting cycles have shown with time, he can bring in better talent to compete in Big East.
If only Mullin, would bring in better coaches, we might actually see Matty A's hard work pay off.
Says who?
Again recruiting ultimately falls on Mullin as well but with Lovett this was maybe a bubble team.
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Everything falls on Mullin. He's the CEO of the hoops program. However the CEO doesn't do all the day to day shit. He has qualified people under him who do that. This CEO has no executive team. It's just him and the worker bees and nobody managing them so business is taking a downturn.
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Things have not gone well. Norm Roberts was given 5 years. Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin should be at least given that long. And besides who do you think will replace him? This has been a widely unsuccessful program basically since Louie retired. There is a reason no one has liked any of the coaches we have hired since. You are not looking at the cream of the crop candidates.
How about rooting for the face of the program to turn things around? If we suck again next year, one way or the other he will be gone shortly thereafter. Then half of you will hate the next hire and all of us will hate him by year 2 or 3.
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Things have not gone well. Norm Roberts was given 5 years. Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin should be at least given that long. And besides who do you think will replace him? This has been a widely unsuccessful program basically since Louie retired. There is a reason no one has liked any of the coaches we have hired since. You are not looking at the cream of the crop candidates.
How about rooting for the face of the program to turn things around? If we suck again next year, one way or the other he will be gone shortly thereafter. Then half of you will hate the next hire and all of us will hate him by year 2 or 3.
Atlantic 10 move?
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Things have not gone well. Norm Roberts was given 5 years. Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin should be at least given that long. And besides who do you think will replace him? This has been a widely unsuccessful program basically since Louie retired. There is a reason no one has liked any of the coaches we have hired since. You are not looking at the cream of the crop candidates.
How about rooting for the face of the program to turn things around? If we suck again next year, one way or the other he will be gone shortly thereafter. Then half of you will hate the next hire and all of us will hate him by year 2 or 3.
Atlantic 10 move?
I know you are doing this to bait people but I honestly think if Mullin doesn't work out that should be on the table.
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Things have not gone well. Norm Roberts was given 5 years. Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin should be at least given that long. And besides who do you think will replace him? This has been a widely unsuccessful program basically since Louie retired. There is a reason no one has liked any of the coaches we have hired since. You are not looking at the cream of the crop candidates.
How about rooting for the face of the program to turn things around? If we suck again next year, one way or the other he will be gone shortly thereafter. Then half of you will hate the next hire and all of us will hate him by year 2 or 3.
Atlantic 10 move?
I know you are doing this to bait people but I honestly think if Mullin doesn't work out that should be on the table.
Then we would really suck without BE level affiliation to recruit with. Would rather suck in BE than a lesser conference. But we don't have to suck. I know some of you think because we have had such a long string of bad hires that it is just that no one can win here but I will NEVER believe that. If Mullin doesn't succeed still think we can get lucky and finally hire the right coach.
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Things have not gone well. Norm Roberts was given 5 years. Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin should be at least given that long. And besides who do you think will replace him? This has been a widely unsuccessful program basically since Louie retired. There is a reason no one has liked any of the coaches we have hired since. You are not looking at the cream of the crop candidates.
How about rooting for the face of the program to turn things around? If we suck again next year, one way or the other he will be gone shortly thereafter. Then half of you will hate the next hire and all of us will hate him by year 2 or 3.
Atlantic 10 move?
I know you are doing this to bait people but I honestly think if Mullin doesn't work out that should be on the table.
Then we would really suck without BE level affiliation to recruit with. Would rather suck in BE than a lesser conference. But we don't have to suck. I know some of you think because we have had such a long string of bad hires that it is just that no one can win here but I will NEVER believe that. If Mullin doesn't succeed still think we can get lucky and finally hire the right coach.
I have been saying since Norm that instead of looking for a Grand Slam recruit or picking off transfer that couldn't play at better programs, that we should hire a coach that is going to play uptempo and recruit shooters. Recruit kids to fit your system. Adopt a mid major identity even if we stay in the Big East. But the quick fixes are not working.
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If Mullin does not work out, no one will be surprised. It was a gamble and a half, by an administration who saw $$ signs because the face of the program wanted to bring us back to relevancy. There was little to no search once Mullin wanted to come on board. Look at the leagues coaching salaries, other than Mullin, only a few other guys make 2 million or more, Cooley and Wright. If the school is willing to pay Mullin more than 70% of the league, and make him one of the highest paid coaches, then they can figure out a way to bring in a qualified assistant from a top program to become HC at a competitive salary.
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Because the players he has brought in are good enough to win in the big east and with the exception of the AA debacle of him not being recruited over, the last two recruiting cycles have shown with time, he can bring in better talent to compete in Big East.
If only Mullin, would bring in better coaches, we might actually see Matty A's hard work pay off.
Says who?
Again recruiting ultimately falls on Mullin as well but with Lovett this was maybe a bubble team.
yes, it does fall on the HC, so if he can't recruit and can't coach then its time to move on. I truly believe the issues with this team go beyond x's and o's and talent. The way this team came out of the gate, to the past 4 games, I believe there are issues internally off the court. Guys seem disinterested and lacking focus. I believe the Lovett injury (True or not) at this point has made the players think more about themselves than the team.
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If Mullin does not work out, no one will be surprised. It was a gamble and a half, by an administration who saw $$ signs because the face of the program wanted to bring us back to relevancy. There was little to no search once Mullin wanted to come on board. Look at the leagues coaching salaries, other than Mullin, only a few other guys make 2 million or more, Cooley and Wright. If the school is willing to pay Mullin more than 70% of the league, and make him one of the highest paid coaches, then they can figure out a way to bring in a qualified assistant from a top program to become HC at a competitive salary.
And a qualified assistant at a top program will want to come here why?
Not sure school has resources to be competitive in major conference anymore. Which is why they took a gamble on Chris Mullin.
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Things have not gone well. Norm Roberts was given 5 years. Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin should be at least given that long. And besides who do you think will replace him? This has been a widely unsuccessful program basically since Louie retired. There is a reason no one has liked any of the coaches we have hired since. You are not looking at the cream of the crop candidates.
How about rooting for the face of the program to turn things around? If we suck again next year, one way or the other he will be gone shortly thereafter. Then half of you will hate the next hire and all of us will hate him by year 2 or 3.
Going to the game tonight. I will be there plenty loud , rooting for our team and our coach. I have been most vocal about our coach since the beginning. Not because I want to hate, but from the the very first game some thing was way off. I held my thoughts as long as I could. A competent HS Jv Basketball staff from the PSAL doesn’t get blown out by st. Thomas.
If Chris Mullin wants to be our coach. He needs to be better. Why is that so hard?
And their are plenty of competent coaches who would take a million plus to coach here
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If Mullin does not work out, no one will be surprised. It was a gamble and a half, by an administration who saw $$ signs because the face of the program wanted to bring us back to relevancy. There was little to no search once Mullin wanted to come on board. Look at the leagues coaching salaries, other than Mullin, only a few other guys make 2 million or more, Cooley and Wright. If the school is willing to pay Mullin more than 70% of the league, and make him one of the highest paid coaches, then they can figure out a way to bring in a qualified assistant from a top program to become HC at a competitive salary.
And a qualified assistant at a top program will want to come here why?
Not sure school has resources to be competitive in major conference anymore. Which is why they took a gamble on Chris Mullin.
SJU will always be a program that coaches see value in, especially a top assistant. The school plays in one of the top conferences in the country, plays at the garden(which is still very important), offers a very competitive salary and IMO, next to salary being the most important, we are located in one of the most fertile recruiting territories in the country. These guys are out there, and we do not need to look further than our own conference to see how they are succeeding.
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Things have not gone well. Norm Roberts was given 5 years. Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin, Chris Mullin should be at least given that long. And besides who do you think will replace him? This has been a widely unsuccessful program basically since Louie retired. There is a reason no one has liked any of the coaches we have hired since. You are not looking at the cream of the crop candidates.
How about rooting for the face of the program to turn things around? If we suck again next year, one way or the other he will be gone shortly thereafter. Then half of you will hate the next hire and all of us will hate him by year 2 or 3.
Going to the game tonight. I will be there plenty loud , rooting for our team and our coach. I have been most vocal about our coach since the beginning. Not because I want to hate, but from the the very first game some thing was way off. I held my thoughts as long as I could. A competent HS Jv Basketball staff from the PSAL doesn’t get blown out by st. Thomas.
If Chris Mullin wants to be our coach. He needs to be better. Why is that so hard?
And their are plenty of competent coaches who would take a million plus to coach here
Most of you on here are like little kids. Kids get a new toy or video game and are really happy. But the minute the game causes them some frustration they throw it on the floor and declare they hate it.
You guys turned on your toy after 2 and a half years. Might be a record. Especially considering who the coach is.
NO ONE since Louie has had the full support of the fan base but you guys still want the machine to keep humming along.
I am sure you guys will have a long honeymoon phase with Tim Cluess. Not sure how Baldi will play that one though.
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If Mullin does not work out, no one will be surprised. It was a gamble and a half, by an administration who saw $$ signs because the face of the program wanted to bring us back to relevancy. There was little to no search once Mullin wanted to come on board. Look at the leagues coaching salaries, other than Mullin, only a few other guys make 2 million or more, Cooley and Wright. If the school is willing to pay Mullin more than 70% of the league, and make him one of the highest paid coaches, then they can figure out a way to bring in a qualified assistant from a top program to become HC at a competitive salary.
And a qualified assistant at a top program will want to come here why?
Not sure school has resources to be competitive in major conference anymore. Which is why they took a gamble on Chris Mullin.
SJU will always be a program that coaches see value in, especially a top assistant. The school plays in one of the top conferences in the country, plays at the garden(which is still very important), offers a very competitive salary and IMO, next to salary being the most important, we are located in one of the most fertile recruiting territories in the country. These guys are out there, and we do not need to look further than our own conference to see how they are succeeding.
LOL
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If Mullin does not work out, no one will be surprised. It was a gamble and a half, by an administration who saw $$ signs because the face of the program wanted to bring us back to relevancy. There was little to no search once Mullin wanted to come on board. Look at the leagues coaching salaries, other than Mullin, only a few other guys make 2 million or more, Cooley and Wright. If the school is willing to pay Mullin more than 70% of the league, and make him one of the highest paid coaches, then they can figure out a way to bring in a qualified assistant from a top program to become HC at a competitive salary.
And a qualified assistant at a top program will want to come here why?
Not sure school has resources to be competitive in major conference anymore. Which is why they took a gamble on Chris Mullin.
You claim the posters that are critical are being too negative but we all feel St. John's CAN be very successful. You are the one that is truly negative with your woe is me it's just impossible for us to be successful.
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If Mullin does not work out, no one will be surprised. It was a gamble and a half, by an administration who saw $$ signs because the face of the program wanted to bring us back to relevancy. There was little to no search once Mullin wanted to come on board. Look at the leagues coaching salaries, other than Mullin, only a few other guys make 2 million or more, Cooley and Wright. If the school is willing to pay Mullin more than 70% of the league, and make him one of the highest paid coaches, then they can figure out a way to bring in a qualified assistant from a top program to become HC at a competitive salary.
And a qualified assistant at a top program will want to come here why?
Not sure school has resources to be competitive in major conference anymore. Which is why they took a gamble on Chris Mullin.
SJU will always be a program that coaches see value in, especially a top assistant. The school plays in one of the top conferences in the country, plays at the garden(which is still very important), offers a very competitive salary and IMO, next to salary being the most important, we are located in one of the most fertile recruiting territories in the country. These guys are out there, and we do not need to look further than our own conference to see how they are succeeding.
LOL
Laugh all you want, but facts are facts, Lavin recruited well and won for our standards even as a subpar coach. The problem has not been the players over the past 5-7 years, it has been that SJU refuses to try to bring in the right coach.
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If Mullin does not work out, no one will be surprised. It was a gamble and a half, by an administration who saw $$ signs because the face of the program wanted to bring us back to relevancy. There was little to no search once Mullin wanted to come on board. Look at the leagues coaching salaries, other than Mullin, only a few other guys make 2 million or more, Cooley and Wright. If the school is willing to pay Mullin more than 70% of the league, and make him one of the highest paid coaches, then they can figure out a way to bring in a qualified assistant from a top program to become HC at a competitive salary.
And a qualified assistant at a top program will want to come here why?
Not sure school has resources to be competitive in major conference anymore. Which is why they took a gamble on Chris Mullin.
SJU will always be a program that coaches see value in, especially a top assistant. The school plays in one of the top conferences in the country, plays at the garden(which is still very important), offers a very competitive salary and IMO, next to salary being the most important, we are located in one of the most fertile recruiting territories in the country. These guys are out there, and we do not need to look further than our own conference to see how they are succeeding.
LOL
Laugh all you want, but facts are facts, Lavin recruited well and won for our standards even as a subpar coach. The problem has not been the players over the past 5-7 years, it has been that SJU refuses to try to bring in the right coach.
5-7? Where were you the prior 10 years? :( :( :( :( :( :(
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If Mullin does not work out, no one will be surprised. It was a gamble and a half, by an administration who saw $$ signs because the face of the program wanted to bring us back to relevancy. There was little to no search once Mullin wanted to come on board. Look at the leagues coaching salaries, other than Mullin, only a few other guys make 2 million or more, Cooley and Wright. If the school is willing to pay Mullin more than 70% of the league, and make him one of the highest paid coaches, then they can figure out a way to bring in a qualified assistant from a top program to become HC at a competitive salary.
And a qualified assistant at a top program will want to come here why?
Not sure school has resources to be competitive in major conference anymore. Which is why they took a gamble on Chris Mullin.
You claim the posters that are critical are being too negative but we all feel St. John's CAN be very successful. You are the one that is truly negative with your woe is me it's just impossible for us to be successful.
Be successful how ? By bitching about the current coach then turning on next one after 2years?
What is successful? By our standards Lavin was successful and no one liked him.
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We had Norm as a coach who could not recruit nor coach. Also school was coming off sanctions which did not help the cause. I only bring up 5-7 years, because it is a recent and I am proving that even after sucking for many years, SJU still has the ability to bring in good players.
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Norm was over-matched and the longer he was allowed to stay the further from relevance the program was heading. It was going to take a while to remove Jarvis' stench and Norm's ineptitude. As much us I thought he was a chowder head I was fine with keeping Lavin. I thought he did about as well as we could expect. I know he wasn't a great coach and was an annoying self promoter but outside of a clear upgrade or Chris Mullin or Walter Berry being hired I was fine keeping him as coach. But since we replaced a somewhat successful coach, we have to give this one more than 2 years before we start bitching.
Tim Cluess has much less of a shot to turn this around.
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Norm was over-matched and the longer he was allowed to stay the further from relevance the program was heading. It was going to take a while to remove Jarvis' stench and Norm's ineptitude. As much us I thought he was a chowder head I was fine with keeping Lavin. I thought he did about as well as we could expect. I know he wasn't a great coach and was an annoying self promoter but outside of a clear upgrade or Chris Mullin or Walter Berry being hired I was fine keeping him as coach. But since we replaced a somewhat successful coach, we have to give this one more than 2 years before we start bitching.
Tim Cluess has much less of a shot to turn this around.
If Mullin was given another year. Staff stays the same. How do you think we do next year?
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Norm was over-matched and the longer he was allowed to stay the further from relevance the program was heading. It was going to take a while to remove Jarvis' stench and Norm's ineptitude. As much us I thought he was a chowder head I was fine with keeping Lavin. I thought he did about as well as we could expect. I know he wasn't a great coach and was an annoying self promoter but outside of a clear upgrade or Chris Mullin or Walter Berry being hired I was fine keeping him as coach. But since we replaced a somewhat successful coach, we have to give this one more than 2 years before we start bitching.
Tim Cluess has much less of a shot to turn this around.
If Mullin was given another year. Staff stays the same. How do you think we do next year?
I have never seen any of the new wave of transfer kids. So I have no idea. If they are decent and Ponds, Owens and Simon come back I expect us to be a bubble team at the very least. If not Mullin experiment failed.
I am not rooting for that unlike some of you though. Which just makes no sense on soooooo many levels.
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Norm was over-matched and the longer he was allowed to stay the further from relevance the program was heading. It was going to take a while to remove Jarvis' stench and Norm's ineptitude. As much us I thought he was a chowder head I was fine with keeping Lavin. I thought he did about as well as we could expect. I know he wasn't a great coach and was an annoying self promoter but outside of a clear upgrade or Chris Mullin or Walter Berry being hired I was fine keeping him as coach. But since we replaced a somewhat successful coach, we have to give this one more than 2 years before we start bitching.
Tim Cluess has much less of a shot to turn this around.
If Mullin was given another year. Staff stays the same. How do you think we do next year?
And pretty sure outside of maybe losing every remaining game and mass transfer outs Mullin will be back next year.
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Norm was over-matched and the longer he was allowed to stay the further from relevance the program was heading. It was going to take a while to remove Jarvis' stench and Norm's ineptitude. As much us I thought he was a chowder head I was fine with keeping Lavin. I thought he did about as well as we could expect. I know he wasn't a great coach and was an annoying self promoter but outside of a clear upgrade or Chris Mullin or Walter Berry being hired I was fine keeping him as coach. But since we replaced a somewhat successful coach, we have to give this one more than 2 years before we start bitching.
Tim Cluess has much less of a shot to turn this around.
If Mullin was given another year. Staff stays the same. How do you think we do next year?
And pretty sure outside of maybe losing every remaining game and mass transfer outs Mullin will be back next year.
I think outside of Pitt scandal part 2 Mullin is back next year.
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Norm was over-matched and the longer he was allowed to stay the further from relevance the program was heading. It was going to take a while to remove Jarvis' stench and Norm's ineptitude. As much us I thought he was a chowder head I was fine with keeping Lavin. I thought he did about as well as we could expect. I know he wasn't a great coach and was an annoying self promoter but outside of a clear upgrade or Chris Mullin or Walter Berry being hired I was fine keeping him as coach. But since we replaced a somewhat successful coach, we have to give this one more than 2 years before we start bitching.
Tim Cluess has much less of a shot to turn this around.
If Mullin was given another year. Staff stays the same. How do you think we do next year?
And pretty sure outside of maybe losing every remaining game and mass transfer outs Mullin will be back next year.
I think outside of Pitt scandal part 2 Mullin is back next year.
That was like what 15 years ago? That girl was pretty busted back then, I doubt anyone on this year's squad would want to run a train on her. Plus we don't play Pitt anymore. I like our odds on this one.
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If Mullin does not work out, no one will be surprised. It was a gamble and a half, by an administration who saw $$ signs because the face of the program wanted to bring us back to relevancy. There was little to no search once Mullin wanted to come on board. Look at the leagues coaching salaries, other than Mullin, only a few other guys make 2 million or more, Cooley and Wright. If the school is willing to pay Mullin more than 70% of the league, and make him one of the highest paid coaches, then they can figure out a way to bring in a qualified assistant from a top program to become HC at a competitive salary.
And a qualified assistant at a top program will want to come here why?
Not sure school has resources to be competitive in major conference anymore. Which is why they took a gamble on Chris Mullin.
You claim the posters that are critical are being too negative but we all feel St. John's CAN be very successful. You are the one that is truly negative with your woe is me it's just impossible for us to be successful.
Be successful how ? By bitching about the current coach then turning on next one after 2years?
What is successful? By our standards Lavin was successful and no one liked him.
Better than the drinking, slurping, and sucking that you do.
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Trust the process? This is not exactly the same process that Nick Saban uses. ::)
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As I stated in Gtown thread Mo is here due to money. Gempshaw comes here as first time President handed keys to place probably not prepared for. Miami (OH) and St. John's couldn't be more different. Comes here figures the best way to save money and reconnect the alum to the program is hiring Mullin. They were budget cuts around this time. When you hire Mullin he gives you free press and still the biggest face of the program other than Louie. Since Louie retired the school and the program have been run like a joke. We will never be Villanova or Gonzaga. I hoped we would have hired either Danny Hurley or Bobby Hurley but, that would mean we would care just about winning basketball games.
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Trust the process? This is not exactly the same process that Nick Saban uses. ::)
This is the process of a proctologist starting his procedure but both hands are on your shoulders...
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Trust the process? This is not exactly the same process that Nick Saban uses. ::)
This is the process of a proctologist starting his procedure but both hands are on your shoulders...
LOL You seem to have the same doctor that I do.
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Trust the process? This is not exactly the same process that Nick Saban uses. ::)
This is the process of a proctologist starting his procedure but both hands are on your shoulders...
LOL You seem to have the same doctor that I do.
Big hands, cold fingers, went to Syracuse?
....This team needs to get better, because these jokes will only get worse...It’s only January...barely in double digits in January...
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By our standards Lavin was successful and no one liked him.
I'm not no one.