6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: fordham96 on January 23, 2018, 12:28:36 PM
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
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I know this is a long shot, but could St. John's maybe convince Bobby Hurley Sr to take an advisory role kind of like how Lavin had Gene Keady? If you were somehow able to do that and replace Greg St. Jean with Mike Rice, that could lead to big impact on the recruiting trail while also adding two guys with some solid coaching experience.
New Jersey seems to be more of a hotbed for basketball talent than New York is on a more consistent basis so anything we can do to get in there would help. I think Mullin and Matt need to go all in and do whatever it takes to get Cole Anthony because that's what they want, NYC kids. It should be easier considering his dad is Greg Anthony who played during Mullin and Ritchmond's heydays and he also played for the Knicks.
I know the Bobby Hurley Sr thing is a pipe dream but it's worth exploring. I think Mike Rice should be hired over Greg St. Jean and we need to build a 2019 class around Cole Anthony.
My day dream is now watching Ponds carry us to a Big East title in 2018-19 and maybe two wins in the tournament and then Cole Anthony leads us to a 2nd straight Big East Title and a Final Four.
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
Live in hope and die in despair. Would love for this to happen, but history is not on our side. I cannot think of any coach with such a bad 3 year stretch at the start of his tenure at a school who ever turned it around, except for Rat Face, who went 17-13, 10-17 and 11-17 in his first 3 seasons, before making the NCAA tournament for 33/34 years after that.
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
Live in hope and die in despair. Would love for this to happen, but history is not on our side.
Yeah, I concur. I understand fordham is only repeating what he's heard. IMO, it's all white noise.
By the way, negative recruiting is very real.
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I know this is a long shot, but could St. John's maybe convince Bobby Hurley Sr to take an advisory role kind of like how Lavin had Gene Keady? If you were somehow able to do that and replace Greg St. Jean with Mike Rice, that could lead to big impact on the recruiting trail while also adding two guys with some solid coaching experience.
New Jersey seems to be more of a hotbed for basketball talent than New York is on a more consistent basis so anything we can do to get in there would help. I think Mullin and Matt need to go all in and do whatever it takes to get Cole Anthony because that's what they want, NYC kids. It should be easier considering his dad is Greg Anthony who played during Mullin and Ritchmond's heydays and he also played for the Knicks.
I know the Bobby Hurley Sr thing is a pipe dream but it's worth exploring. I think Mike Rice should be hired over Greg St. Jean and we need to build a 2019 class around Cole Anthony.
My day dream is now watching Ponds carry us to a Big East title in 2018-19 and maybe two wins in the tournament and then Cole Anthony leads us to a 2nd straight Big East Title and a Final Four.
Bro, Cole Anthony is going to Duke, and this isn’t even up for discussion. I think you mean Precious Achiwa.
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
I give this plan about a 0.000005% chance of happening. I know you're repeating what you heard, but this program is going no where with Mullin at the helm.
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Again I am not saying it will happen I am just saying that is the plan and more importantly the expectation even from Chris.
That's important, because at some point when you fail to make or exceed expectations it will cost you your job. At this point having a bad year does not but at some point it will. And that is why they are recalibrating. To re-set after a bad year but to also set a reasonable time table of where he and the program needs to be in 2 years.
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
Live in hope and die in despair. Would love for this to happen, but history is not on our side.
Yeah, I concur. I understand fordham is only repeating what he's heard. IMO, it's all white noise.
By the way, negative recruiting is very real.
I was thinking about that. Maybe Mullin just had a string of bad luck and he is fact a good coach. But any school competing w us is going tell recruits Mullin can’t coach and look at our record.
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
Live in hope and die in despair. Would love for this to happen, but history is not on our side.
Yeah, I concur. I understand fordham is only repeating what he's heard. IMO, it's all white noise.
By the way, negative recruiting is very real.
I was thinking about that. Maybe Mullin just had a string of bad luck and he is fact a good coach. But any school competing w us is going tell recruits Mullin can’t coach and look at our record.
Negative recruiting is real with this staff. That is why it is imperative they get some momentum this summer and make a big leap next year or the calls will only get louder...
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Again I am not saying it will happen I am just saying that is the plan and more importantly the expectation even from Chris.
That's important, because at some point when you fail to make or exceed expectations it will cost you your job. At this point having a bad year does not but at some point it will. And that is why they are recalibrating. To re-set after a bad year but to also set a reasonable time table of where he and the program needs to be in 2 years.
Appreciate the info. This will be a difficult path. This will also require coach to be either in the NY area or recruiting for the entirety of the next 2 seasons, which might be difficult as well.
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Again I am not saying it will happen I am just saying that is the plan and more importantly the expectation even from Chris.
That's important, because at some point when you fail to make or exceed expectations it will cost you your job. At this point having a bad year does not but at some point it will. And that is why they are recalibrating. To re-set after a bad year but to also set a reasonable time table of where he and the program needs to be in 2 years.
Appreciate the info. This will be a difficult path. This will also require coach to be either in the NY area or recruiting for the entirety of the next 2 seasons, which might be difficult as well.
He missed the April recruiting period because of the hip surgery. And he has been very absent during the season as his assistants have done most of the recruiting. I think last weekend showed and going forward you will see his presence on the trail much more. These next 6-8 months are going to be huge for him. He is no dummy he can read the papers. He can see the standings. He knows what has happened this year. And with no previous season or seasons of success to bank any goodwill on it is imperative he get this thing righted NOW.
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Until I see a real coaching staff around Mullin, I have little faith. He needs to realize this is sink or swim. Currently he is drowning.
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Until I see a real coaching staff around Mullin, I have little faith. He needs to realize this is sink or swim. Currently he is drowning.
Be clear I am not personally asking for faith or anything. I am telling you what is going to be expected.
Even if you are a pessimist it is not that bad. Unless you honestly felt his job was in jeopardy which no realistic person ever felt.
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Until I see a real coaching staff around Mullin, I have little faith. He needs to realize this is sink or swim. Currently he is drowning.
Be clear I am not personally asking for faith or anything. I am telling you what is going to be expected.
Even if you are a pessimist it is not that bad. Unless you honestly felt his job was in jeopardy which no realistic person ever felt.
I am not a pessimist. Still he has no chance. Did i think he would be fired ? Sadly no. I still hope he quits, every loss makes that more and more possible.
This time frame or whatever it is could be possible if he was competent. Not expecting that. Still think it’s 50-50 he gets an extension. Plenty of old guys with money.
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Until I see a real coaching staff around Mullin, I have little faith. He needs to realize this is sink or swim. Currently he is drowning.
Be clear I am not personally asking for faith or anything. I am telling you what is going to be expected.
Even if you are a pessimist it is not that bad. Unless you honestly felt his job was in jeopardy which no realistic person ever felt.
I am not a pessimist. Still he has no chance. Did i think he would be fired ? Sadly no. I still hope he quits, every loss makes that more and more possible.
This time frame or whatever it is could be possible if he was competent. Not expecting that. Still think it’s 50-50 he gets an extension. Plenty of old guys with money.
Me Tony, fire good, saber tooth tiger and Mullin bad. I like cave.
I guess Norm drove Realfan to his ransom note style all caps posts and now Mullin has driven Tony into caveman posts.
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
Who on the staff could potentially be replaced and by whom?
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
Who on the staff could potentially be replaced and by whom?
Personally I would like to replace Mitch and ST Jean with Walter Berry and a female porn star. That would be a well rounded staff and Porn star would be great recruiting tool.
Mia Khalifa. She is retired but likes sports.
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
Who on the staff could potentially be replaced and by whom?
I know I'm not the only one who has the position that Mitch serves no purpose as a full AC and should be in Keady's chair. From there he can still serve his purpose which is to teach shooting and shake recruits hands on campus while wearing his HOF ring or jacket or whatever they have.
Replace him with an experienced assistant, preferably one who can do some XnOs as well as recruit, even if Mullin refuses to ask anyone to leave outright.,
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
Who on the staff could potentially be replaced and by whom?
I know I'm not the only one who has the position that Mitch serves no purpose as a full AC and should be in Keady's chair. From there he can still serve his purpose which is to teach shooting and shake recruits hands on campus while wearing his HOF ring or jacket or whatever they have.
Replace him with an experienced assistant, preferably one who can do some XnOs as well as recruit, even if Mullin refuses to ask anyone to leave outright.,
Exactly
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Until I see a real coaching staff around Mullin, I have little faith. He needs to realize this is sink or swim. Currently he is drowning.
Be clear I am not personally asking for faith or anything. I am telling you what is going to be expected.
Even if you are a pessimist it is not that bad. Unless you honestly felt his job was in jeopardy which no realistic person ever felt.
I am not a pessimist. Still he has no chance. Did i think he would be fired ? Sadly no. I still hope he quits, every loss makes that more and more possible.
This time frame or whatever it is could be possible if he was competent. Not expecting that. Still think it’s 50-50 he gets an extension. Plenty of old guys with money.
Me Tony, fire good, saber tooth tiger and Mullin bad. I like cave.
I guess Norm drove Realfan to his ransom note style all caps posts and now Mullin has driven Tony into caveman posts.
I think you have to get a job or maybe go to foady’s for happy hour. Dick Vitale and Walter berry was the dumbest idea I ever heard. As was giving an extension to a coach with lower the .200 wining percentage.
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
Who on the staff could potentially be replaced and by whom?
I know I'm not the only one who has the position that Mitch serves no purpose as a full AC and should be in Keady's chair. From there he can still serve his purpose which is to teach shooting and shake recruits hands on campus while wearing his HOF ring or jacket or whatever they have.
Replace him with an experienced assistant, preferably one who can do some XnOs as well as recruit, even if Mullin refuses to ask anyone to leave outright.,
Exactly
Would Mitch accept a demotion at this point or would they have to get rid of him entirely?
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Until I see a real coaching staff around Mullin, I have little faith. He needs to realize this is sink or swim. Currently he is drowning.
Be clear I am not personally asking for faith or anything. I am telling you what is going to be expected.
Even if you are a pessimist it is not that bad. Unless you honestly felt his job was in jeopardy which no realistic person ever felt.
I am not a pessimist. Still he has no chance. Did i think he would be fired ? Sadly no. I still hope he quits, every loss makes that more and more possible.
This time frame or whatever it is could be possible if he was competent. Not expecting that. Still think it’s 50-50 he gets an extension. Plenty of old guys with money.
Me Tony, fire good, saber tooth tiger and Mullin bad. I like cave.
I guess Norm drove Realfan to his ransom note style all caps posts and now Mullin has driven Tony into caveman posts.
I think you have to get a job or maybe go to foady’s for happy hour. Dick Vitale and Walter berry was the dumbest idea I ever heard. As was giving an extension to a coach with lower the .200 wining percentage.
Sadly I think I gave you too much credit with that caveman thing.
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
If this team starts to play better basketball and actually wins 5 or 6 games then maybe I'll buy back in. This whole "they are close" thing is not what I'm buying. They have been close in a few games (mostly G'town games) to winning, however that's 1 win. Can they put together a few wins in a row? Can they scrap their way to 5 or 6? If they do that then we can talk.
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...talking to someone I respect and who knows SJU basketball that is the target now. They are recalibrating. Meaning the initial hope was to have a big time team by year 4, next year, but at this point that maybe too much to ask.
So two year plan starting after this year.
What does this mean?
Again this year is turning into a disaster, but they hope to squeeze 5 or 6 more wins out of this team. Keep the roster intact and mesh the new transfers and recruits into next season. The hope is to make a serious turnaround next season, 10 or 11 League wins and an NCAA bid.
To help do that Chris will look at a staff change this year. But more importantly he, as you see recently, will be all over recruiting. Wants to land 1 or 2 real impact recruits in 2019. Because...
2019-20 is the second year of the 2 year plan to get SJU nipping on the heals of Villanova.
So in closing:
1)Finish this year as competitive as possible and hope for some wins. Acknowledge it was not a good year and make some changes including potentially a staff change.
2)Recruit hard this spring and summer and get some 19 kids on board early, one's that can make a difference and an impact immediately.
3)Coach up the 18-19 squad into a middle of the pack BE team if not better and then
4)Combine some difference making recruits in 19 with the returning team and be ready to make a big splash in 19-20 (year 5 of the Mullin experiment).
If this team starts to play better basketball and actually wins 5 or 6 games then maybe I'll buy back in. This whole "they are close" thing is not what I'm buying. They have been close in a few games (mostly G'town games) to winning, however that's 1 win. Can they put together a few wins in a row? Can they scrap their way to 5 or 6? If they do that then we can talk.
I agree they aren't necessarily close to winning all these games but one thing is they are more competitive in their losses especially to better teams. It is a small consolation..
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What's the hurry? Just restart the original 5 year plan. 5 more years! 5 more years! 5 more years!
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I don't think there is a need for a two-year plan. This can be salvaged next season for sure.
(1) Name Owens, Clark, and Yakwe captains to keep them all here for next year.
(2) Add a true PG... a 3* high school kid is fine, but a grad transfer or JUCO works.
(3) Hire a seasoned college coach to replace Richmond -- his biggest value to the team is being around for recruits.
(4) Stop being stubborn and run a zone defense. 1-3-1 win Simon at the top. Change to a 2-3 and man liberally in game.
(5) Stress offensive rebounding.
(6) Put 20 lbs of muscle on Owens.
Even just four of those turns this into a clear tournament team IMO.
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I don't think there is a need for a two-year plan. This can be salvaged next season for sure.
(1) Name Owens, Clark, and Yakwe captains to keep them all here for next year.
(2) Add a true PG... a 3* high school kid is fine, but a grad transfer or JUCO works.
(3) Hire a seasoned college coach to replace Richmond -- his biggest value to the team is being around for recruits.
(4) Stop being stubborn and run a zone defense. 1-3-1 win Simon at the top. Change to a 2-3 and man liberally in game.
(5) Stress offensive rebounding.
(6) Put 20 lbs of muscle on Owens.
Even just four of those turns this into a clear tournament team IMO.
Think we need way more than that. I agree we need to add a coach who will stress perimeter ball pressure and boxing out, not necessarily a zone. Players need to learn to rotate and move when the ball is in the air, not on the catch. That's coaching.
We need to add players who will allow us to 1. dribble penetrate 2. shoot the ball. 3. play with their back to the basket. 4. rebound.
I think the players we are bringing in will help improve the overall skill level of the team, but they will be freshman/first year in the BE players so there will be an adjustment period. The key will be if there is a change to the coaching staff.
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I don't think there is a need for a two-year plan. This can be salvaged next season for sure.
(1) Name Owens, Clark, and Yakwe captains to keep them all here for next year.
(2) Add a true PG... a 3* high school kid is fine, but a grad transfer or JUCO works.
(3) Hire a seasoned college coach to replace Richmond -- his biggest value to the team is being around for recruits.
(4) Stop being stubborn and run a zone defense. 1-3-1 win Simon at the top. Change to a 2-3 and man liberally in game.
(5) Stress offensive rebounding.
(6) Put 20 lbs of muscle on Owens.
Even just four of those turns this into a clear tournament team IMO.
Think we need way more than that. I agree we need to add a coach who will stress perimeter ball pressure and boxing out, not necessarily a zone. Players need to learn to rotate and move when the ball is in the air, not on the catch. That's coaching.
We need to add players who will allow us to 1. dribble penetrate 2. shoot the ball. 3. play with their back to the basket. 4. rebound.
I think the players we are bringing in will help improve the overall skill level of the team, but they will be freshman/first year in the BE players so there will be an adjustment period. The key will be if there is a change to the coaching staff.
and therein lies next year's excuse...we brought in 6 new players, they need time to acclimate, they need experience, blah, blah, blah and the beat will go on. There is always an excuse with this program, the problem is they're all bullshit which is why things never get better. There was supposed to be no excuses this year with the floor being the NIT but now the excuse for no NIT is losing LoVett. There are no excuses for 0-9 in BE and heading for further disaster. This team should have already won some conference games. LoVett an excuse for maybe no NCAA but not for a total disaster. Bet some of same posters making excuses had us in NCAA and complained we were only picked 5th or 6th in BE.
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I don't think there is a need for a two-year plan. This can be salvaged next season for sure.
(1) Name Owens, Clark, and Yakwe captains to keep them all here for next year.
(2) Add a true PG... a 3* high school kid is fine, but a grad transfer or JUCO works.
(3) Hire a seasoned college coach to replace Richmond -- his biggest value to the team is being around for recruits.
(4) Stop being stubborn and run a zone defense. 1-3-1 win Simon at the top. Change to a 2-3 and man liberally in game.
(5) Stress offensive rebounding.
(6) Put 20 lbs of muscle on Owens.
Even just four of those turns this into a clear tournament team IMO.
Think we need way more than that. I agree we need to add a coach who will stress perimeter ball pressure and boxing out, not necessarily a zone. Players need to learn to rotate and move when the ball is in the air, not on the catch. That's coaching.
We need to add players who will allow us to 1. dribble penetrate 2. shoot the ball. 3. play with their back to the basket. 4. rebound.
I think the players we are bringing in will help improve the overall skill level of the team, but they will be freshman/first year in the BE players so there will be an adjustment period. The key will be if there is a change to the coaching staff.
and therein lies next year's excuse...we brought in 6 new players, they need time to acclimate, they need experience, blah, blah, blah and the beat will go on. There is always an excuse with this program, the problem is they're all bullshit which is why things never get better. There was supposed to be no excuses this year with the floor being the NIT but now the excuse for no NIT is losing LoVett. There are no excuses for 0-9 in BE and heading for further disaster. This team should have already won some conference games. LoVett an excuse for maybe no NCAA but not for a total disaster. Bet some of same posters making excuses had us in NCAA and complained we were only picked 5th or 6th in BE.
First off let's not act like all the players coming back next year are NEW. It's a mesh and will add depth.
Again it is a 2 year recalibration but no way is next year a throwaway year. That is not how the staff or the administration wants it to be or is selling it to be.
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And Keita and Dixon are practicing with these guys right now, Diakite is at least attending I would assume, so they should be able to fit in easily. Simon and Clark did. They just all need some coaching so they have an idea what they are supposed be doing when actually in the game. They look lost, all the time, on both ends of the floor.
This crew is not talent-less. They're not even just a group of athletes, most have some basketball skills. But look at any player and tell me how what they do on the court is taking advantage of their strengths while trying to avoid their weaknesses. Yes a real PG would help but that's not the only thing that would make this product at least more watchable and likely more successful.
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Didn’t read through the pages of bitching, but how about bringing Dunlap back. Sorry if it was brought up before but the man can teach. He’s a head coach now so it would be difficult but worth a call.
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Didn’t read through the pages of bitching, but how about bringing Dunlap back. Sorry if it was brought up before but the man can teach. He’s a head coach now so it would be difficult but worth a call.
I think most posters would love to have Dunlap back. But, don’t see it happening. He’s exactly what Mullin needs.
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Didn’t read through the pages of bitching, but how about bringing Dunlap back. Sorry if it was brought up before but the man can teach. He’s a head coach now so it would be difficult but worth a call.
I think most posters would love to have Dunlap back. But, don’t see it happening. He’s exactly what Mullin needs.
There are other coaches out there, who can do the job, other than Dunlap. Besides, recruiting isn't particularly his forte.
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Didn’t read through the pages of bitching, but how about bringing Dunlap back. Sorry if it was brought up before but the man can teach. He’s a head coach now so it would be difficult but worth a call.
I think most posters would love to have Dunlap back. But, don’t see it happening. He’s exactly what Mullin needs.
There are other coaches out there, who can do the job, other than Dunlap. Besides, recruiting isn't particularly his forte.
If the staff is going to get completely blown up and Mullin is hiring 3 new assistants he will need a guy like Dunlap. The way I see it he needs 3 types of guys and my following examples are just examples and not necessarily the people I want/expect to get or even think about reaching out to.
Mullin needs 1 guy that is 100% X's and O's. A guy like Dunlap would be ideal. A guy who has been around the block more than a few times with his most recent experience being in college.
He needs 1 guy that is 100% recruiting. If Matt is out then maybe a guy like Kimani Young from Minnesota who knows and recruits this area well and has proven he can bring in talent.
And 1 guy that is 50% recruiting and 50% X's and O's. A guy like Mike Rice fits that bill.
That's what I would like to see and I believe this is what Mullin envisioned when he brought in the original staff when he first got the job. Matt as the 100% recruiter, Slice as the 50/50 guy and GSJ as the 100% Xs and Os guy. Even if Mullin does surround himself with a competent staff, he himself still has to become MUCH better and MUCH more involved in both aspects as well
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Didn’t read through the pages of bitching, but how about bringing Dunlap back. Sorry if it was brought up before but the man can teach. He’s a head coach now so it would be difficult but worth a call.
I think most posters would love to have Dunlap back. But, don’t see it happening. He’s exactly what Mullin needs.
There are other coaches out there, who can do the job, other than Dunlap. Besides, recruiting isn't particularly his forte.
If the staff is going to get completely blown up and Mullin is hiring 3 new assistants he will need a guy like Dunlap. The way I see it he needs 3 types of guys and my following examples are just examples and not necessarily the people I want/expect to get or even think about reaching out to.
Mullin needs 1 guy that is 100% X's and O's. A guy like Dunlap would be ideal. A guy who has been around the block more than a few times with his most recent experience being in college.
He needs 1 guy that is 100% recruiting. If Matt is out then maybe a guy like Kimani Young from Minnesota who knows and recruits this area well and has proven he can bring in talent.
And 1 guy that is 50% recruiting and 50% X's and O's. A guy like Mike Rice fits that bill.
That's what I would like to see and I believe this is what Mullin envisioned when he brought in the original staff when he first got the job. Matt as the 100% recruiter, Slice as the 50/50 guy and GSJ as the 100% Xs and Os guy.
I would have no problem with that particular type of balance. Actually, I'd say that would certainly suffice.
Even if Mullin does surround himself with a competent staff, he himself still has to become MUCH better and MUCH more involved in both aspects as well
Concur. He's a bit too lax on the sidelines and a bit too lethargic on the recruiting trail.
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I wouldn't assume the entire staff is gone...
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Staff needs to compliment each other. Mike rice and Dunlap would kill each other. We need to figure out how we want to play and bring in coaches who know that system. Usually the head coach has established some kind of system.
I think you have to bring in someone to work with the big men. We have to bring in guys with similar philosophies.
Cleaning house would be a good step. (Would prefer they all go) not expecting it.
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Didn’t read through the pages of bitching, but how about bringing Dunlap back. Sorry if it was brought up before but the man can teach. He’s a head coach now so it would be difficult but worth a call.
I think most posters would love to have Dunlap back. But, don’t see it happening. He’s exactly what Mullin needs.
There are other coaches out there, who can do the job, other than Dunlap. Besides, recruiting isn't particularly his forte.
If the staff is going to get completely blown up and Mullin is hiring 3 new assistants he will need a guy like Dunlap. The way I see it he needs 3 types of guys and my following examples are just examples and not necessarily the people I want/expect to get or even think about reaching out to.
Mullin needs 1 guy that is 100% X's and O's. A guy like Dunlap would be ideal. A guy who has been around the block more than a few times with his most recent experience being in college.
He needs 1 guy that is 100% recruiting. If Matt is out then maybe a guy like Kimani Young from Minnesota who knows and recruits this area well and has proven he can bring in talent.
And 1 guy that is 50% recruiting and 50% X's and O's. A guy like Mike Rice fits that bill.
That's what I would like to see and I believe this is what Mullin envisioned when he brought in the original staff when he first got the job. Matt as the 100% recruiter, Slice as the 50/50 guy and GSJ as the 100% Xs and Os guy. Even if Mullin does surround himself with a competent staff, he himself still has to become MUCH better and MUCH more involved in both aspects as well
Blowing up the whole staff would be crazy. Simply replace Richmond with a guy who has plenty of experience coaching in college who can get the guys to defend and rebound. St. Jean is fine offensicely. They just have too much NBA input.
I hate Matt A's slimy ways but we need him to fill out the roster creatively. That's our only chance going forward.
Nobody could win with this group. They were one decent guard away from staying afloat.
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Didn’t read through the pages of bitching, but how about bringing Dunlap back. Sorry if it was brought up before but the man can teach. He’s a head coach now so it would be difficult but worth a call.
I think most posters would love to have Dunlap back. But, don’t see it happening. He’s exactly what Mullin needs.
There are other coaches out there, who can do the job, other than Dunlap. Besides, recruiting isn't particularly his forte.
If the staff is going to get completely blown up and Mullin is hiring 3 new assistants he will need a guy like Dunlap. The way I see it he needs 3 types of guys and my following examples are just examples and not necessarily the people I want/expect to get or even think about reaching out to.
Mullin needs 1 guy that is 100% X's and O's. A guy like Dunlap would be ideal. A guy who has been around the block more than a few times with his most recent experience being in college.
He needs 1 guy that is 100% recruiting. If Matt is out then maybe a guy like Kimani Young from Minnesota who knows and recruits this area well and has proven he can bring in talent.
And 1 guy that is 50% recruiting and 50% X's and O's. A guy like Mike Rice fits that bill.
That's what I would like to see and I believe this is what Mullin envisioned when he brought in the original staff when he first got the job. Matt as the 100% recruiter, Slice as the 50/50 guy and GSJ as the 100% Xs and Os guy. Even if Mullin does surround himself with a competent staff, he himself still has to become MUCH better and MUCH more involved in both aspects as well
Blowing up the whole staff would be crazy. Simply replace Richmond with a guy who has plenty of experience coaching in college who can get the guys to defend and rebound. St. Jean is fine offensicely. They just have too much NBA input.
I hate Matt A's slimy ways but we need him to fill out the roster creatively. That's our only chance going forward.
Nobody could win with this group. They were one decent guard away from staying afloat.
Im not suggesting to blow up the staff just what I would want to see if they do blow it up. But I also think Richmond has to go and I don't know what you see with St. Jean being good offensively. The way this team runs their offense I'm not sure anybody is actually coaching offense there.
Nobody can win with this group, but a competent staff would not be 0-9. Not even close to that bad.
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You guys do know Mike Dunlap is the head coach of Loyola Marymount,right?
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You guys do know Mike Dunlap is the head coach of Loyola Marymount,right?
You’re taking to a board that doesn’t want to fire a winless coach because of nostalgia. The university won’t fire him for the same reason.
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You guys do know Mike Dunlap is the head coach of Loyola Marymount,right?
You’re taking to a board that doesn’t want to fire a winless coach because of nostalgia. The university won’t fire him for the same reason.
He isn't get fired so I don't bother getting riled up about it. I will tell you this, Mullin has trusted Matt A. too much and he realizes that now. Things will change moving forward.
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You guys do know Mike Dunlap is the head coach of Loyola Marymount,right?
Probably for another 6 weeks. He's 19-43 in conference over his four seasons and he's 1-7 this year. Probably better suited for an associate head coach position where he doesn't have to recruit much. That's all Matt can do.
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The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
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You bring in an experienced coach, st. Jean gets demoted. I don’t believe st. Jean gets demoted. Anyone want to bet an 11 dollar beer at the garden that st. Jean is still coaching this team next year?
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The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
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Won't we have Slice's salary to play with soon?
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Unless there is some miraculous turnaround, and by that I mean a 6-12 season in conference, the whole staff under mullin will either be let go or leave for another job. Either way, there will be big changes with staff.
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Matt probably to LSU. Maybe he takes Brazziller with him
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The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
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Over pay mitch Richmond to be a special advisor. Gene Keady was atleast a coach, have to assume some of his notes made sense . Now let’s pay Richmond 3/4 Times as much. Or give him a promotion to position where he has even less responsibilities but same pay.
All these ideas,all this wasted money, just so we can keep Santa Claus as coach.
Part 1- win 5/6 games this year- failure
Part 2- changes to staff- expected failure
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Over pay mitch Richmond to be a special advisor. Gene Keady was atleast a coach, have to assume some of his notes made sense . Now let’s pay Richmond 3/4 Times as much. Or give him a promotion to position where he has even less responsibilities but same pay.
All these ideas,all this wasted money, just so we can keep Santa Claus as coach.
Part 1- win 5/6 games this year- failure
Part 2- changes to staff- expected failure
There are valid complaints about the breakdown of the staff. Ultimately all of this mess including the actual coaching of the team falls on Chris Mullin. Personally I am not going to get all caught up in staff change until Mullin shows he can have a decent year with a full roster. Hopefully that is next year, and then we can move forward from there.
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The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
Mullin will have to manage that dynamic as head coaches are expected to do. Most programs have 2 recruiters with big egos, but the guys making the big $$ attend to any staff conflict. Slice "stuff" aside, one would hope he would be up to it this go around.
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How about hold Mullin accountable. He is over his head and is he smart enough to know he needs help from more qualified basketball minds. Why prolong the inevitable, cut the head off the dragon and start over. He really has to accept there is a problem before change can happen. All we hear from him is platitudes, where is the acknowledgement that he is failing and he needs help!
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The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
The flaw in the great logic...+1000
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The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
Mullin will have to manage that dynamic as head coaches are expected to do. Most programs have 2 recruiters with big egos, but the guys making the big $$ attend to any staff conflict. Slice "stuff" aside, one would hope he would be up to it this go around.
+10001
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How about hold Mullin accountable. He is over his head and is he smart enough to know he needs help from more qualified basketball minds. Why prolong the inevitable, cut the head off the dragon and start over. He really has to accept there is a problem before change can happen. All we hear from him is platitudes, where is the acknowledgement that he is failing and he needs help!
That is why it is a 2 year plan. But point taken.
Assuming there are some changes in the off season, they better work and they better start working fast. Why?
Because if they don't then the next question becomes, maybe it's the HC that isn't working?
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The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
Mullin will have to manage that dynamic as head coaches are expected to do. Most programs have 2 recruiters with big egos, but the guys making the big $$ attend to any staff conflict. Slice "stuff" aside, one would hope he would be up to it this go around.
We are not most programs.
You want another recruiter or X and O old bench guy that everyone else wants? Unless you grab hybrid guy.
Personally I would want another recruiter. Preferably a guy who recruits HS kids every once in awhile.
Again none of this really matters if Mullin doesn't show something next year.
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Staff needs to compliment each other. Mike rice and Dunlap would kill each other. We need to figure out how we want to play and bring in coaches who know that system. Usually the head coach has established some kind of system.
I think you have to bring in someone to work with the big men. We have to bring in guys with similar philosophies.
Cleaning house would be a good step. (Would prefer they all go) not expecting it.
IMHO the idea here is to present to the outside world the feeling that these guys have a clue. Blowing it up would send the wrong message in that regard. The idea is to tweak the program rather then destroying it. Or do we want to open up discussion about can these guys do anything right.
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you must admit that would make for interesting times on here.
It's interesting enough as it is, no?
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Staff needs to compliment each other. Mike rice and Dunlap would kill each other. We need to figure out how we want to play and bring in coaches who know that system. Usually the head coach has established some kind of system.
I think you have to bring in someone to work with the big men. We have to bring in guys with similar philosophies.
Cleaning house would be a good step. (Would prefer they all go) not expecting it.
IMHO the idea here is to present to the outside world the feeling that these guys have a clue. Blowing it up would send the wrong message in that regard. The idea is to tweak the program rather then destroying it. Or do we want to open up discussion about can these guys do anything right.
8- almost 40 and we don’t want to give the impression that the staff is in over their heads. This staff has proven nothing but incompetence. So called Enlightened more level headed people will continue to post patience wait until next year. We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Greg st. Jean will still be coaching this team. Mullin will still be crying to refs. We are still going to lose. Modest change = same shit.
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
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The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
Mullin will have to manage that dynamic as head coaches are expected to do. Most programs have 2 recruiters with big egos, but the guys making the big $$ attend to any staff conflict. Slice "stuff" aside, one would hope he would be up to it this go around.
We are not most programs.
You want another recruiter or X and O old bench guy that everyone else wants? Unless you grab hybrid guy.
Personally I would want another recruiter. Preferably a guy who recruits HS kids every once in awhile.
Again none of this really matters if Mullin doesn't show something next year.
Hybrid
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
I'll buy a case in case he runs out.
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The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
Mullin will have to manage that dynamic as head coaches are expected to do. Most programs have 2 recruiters with big egos, but the guys making the big $$ attend to any staff conflict. Slice "stuff" aside, one would hope he would be up to it this go around.
We are not most programs.
You want another recruiter or X and O old bench guy that everyone else wants? Unless you grab hybrid guy.
Personally I would want another recruiter. Preferably a guy who recruits HS kids every once in awhile.
Again none of this really matters if Mullin doesn't show something next year.
Hybrid
Will a difference making assistant want to attach himself to us at this point in time?
Specifically Rice. Would he want this to be his first job back?
If things don't work out next year, would be a 1 year return.
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We won 8 conference games last year. The staff didn't get this bad overnight. They don't have the tools. Simply move Richmond back to advisor with the same pay and pickup a veteran coach. St. Jean is a talented kid who will only get better. I think the growth last year combined with what was supposed to be a talent infusion this year gave rhe staff a false sense of their NBA system being able to work. That vision is shattered. College kids need more structure and I think they finally get that.
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The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
Mullin will have to manage that dynamic as head coaches are expected to do. Most programs have 2 recruiters with big egos, but the guys making the big $$ attend to any staff conflict. Slice "stuff" aside, one would hope he would be up to it this go around.
We are not most programs.
You want another recruiter or X and O old bench guy that everyone else wants? Unless you grab hybrid guy.
Personally I would want another recruiter. Preferably a guy who recruits HS kids every once in awhile.
Again none of this really matters if Mullin doesn't show something next year.
Hybrid
Will a difference making assistant want to attach himself to us at this point in time?
Specifically Rice. Would he want this to be his first job back?
If things don't work out next year, would be a 1 year return.
Hell yeah! We will likely have the biggest turnaround in conference record for the entire country. Even if we are slightly disappointing. All because we patched a few holes.
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Staff needs to compliment each other. Mike rice and Dunlap would kill each other. We need to figure out how we want to play and bring in coaches who know that system. Usually the head coach has established some kind of system.
I think you have to bring in someone to work with the big men. We have to bring in guys with similar philosophies.
Cleaning house would be a good step. (Would prefer they all go) not expecting it.
IMHO the idea here is to present to the outside world the feeling that these guys have a clue. Blowing it up would send the wrong message in that regard. The idea is to tweak the program rather then destroying it. Or do we want to open up discussion about can these guys do anything right.
8- almost 40 and we don’t want to give the impression that the staff is in over their heads. This staff has proven nothing but incompetence. So called Enlightened more level headed people will continue to post patience wait until next year. We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Greg st. Jean will still be coaching this team. Mullin will still be crying to refs. We are still going to lose. Modest change = same shit.
See if you had a friend and you kept complaining the same exact complaint every 5 mins about your wife or your girlfriend, that friend would tell you I think it might be best to go your separate ways. If you complained every 5 mins about your job that same hypothetical friend would tell you it is time to start looking for another job.
I will go ahead and take on the role of your friend here. See breaking up with your significant other or getting a new job are big life decisions. Rooting for a college basketball team should not bring anyone as much unhappiness as it brings you and in us in turn having to keep reading you complain the same complaints.
I suggest a trial separation from ST John's basketball. Good jobs are hard to find. Finding a better basketball team than ST John's is not. Hell there are 9 of them in BE alone.
Just a thought.
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The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
Mullin will have to manage that dynamic as head coaches are expected to do. Most programs have 2 recruiters with big egos, but the guys making the big $$ attend to any staff conflict. Slice "stuff" aside, one would hope he would be up to it this go around.
We are not most programs.
You want another recruiter or X and O old bench guy that everyone else wants? Unless you grab hybrid guy.
Personally I would want another recruiter. Preferably a guy who recruits HS kids every once in awhile.
Again none of this really matters if Mullin doesn't show something next year.
Hybrid
Will a difference making assistant want to attach himself to us at this point in time?
Specifically Rice. Would he want this to be his first job back?
If things don't work out next year, would be a 1 year return.
Who knows, but worth a try. Re: Rice, in view of fact he vied for a spot and CM did not hire him, it seems likely ship has sailed. Not end of world either.
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We won 8 conference games last year. The staff didn't get this bad overnight. They don't have the tools. Simply move Richmond back to advisor with the same pay and pickup a veteran coach. St. Jean is a talented kid who will only get better. I think the growth last year combined with what was supposed to be a talent infusion this year gave rhe staff a false sense of their NBA system being able to work. That vision is shattered. College kids need more structure and I think they finally get that.
+1
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We won 8 conference games last year. The staff didn't get this bad overnight. They don't have the tools. Simply move Richmond back to advisor with the same pay and pickup a veteran coach. St. Jean is a talented kid who will only get better. I think the growth last year combined with what was supposed to be a talent infusion this year gave rhe staff a false sense of their NBA system being able to work. That vision is shattered. College kids need more structure and I think they finally get that.
The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
Mullin will have to manage that dynamic as head coaches are expected to do. Most programs have 2 recruiters with big egos, but the guys making the big $$ attend to any staff conflict. Slice "stuff" aside, one would hope he would be up to it this go around.
We are not most programs.
You want another recruiter or X and O old bench guy that everyone else wants? Unless you grab hybrid guy.
Personally I would want another recruiter. Preferably a guy who recruits HS kids every once in awhile.
Again none of this really matters if Mullin doesn't show something next year.
Hybrid
Will a difference making assistant want to attach himself to us at this point in time?
Specifically Rice. Would he want this to be his first job back?
If things don't work out next year, would be a 1 year return.
Hell yeah! We will likely have the biggest turnaround in conference record for the entire country. Even if we are slightly disappointing. All because we patched a few holes.
I don't disagree though I am sure we disagree on what the "holes" are.
I expect / hope we win 17 or 18 next year.
Which would be enough for me and more importantly the school and Mullin most likely.
Others on here won't be happy with that kind of turnaround.
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Staff needs to compliment each other. Mike rice and Dunlap would kill each other. We need to figure out how we want to play and bring in coaches who know that system. Usually the head coach has established some kind of system.
I think you have to bring in someone to work with the big men. We have to bring in guys with similar philosophies.
Cleaning house would be a good step. (Would prefer they all go) not expecting it.
IMHO the idea here is to present to the outside world the feeling that these guys have a clue. Blowing it up would send the wrong message in that regard. The idea is to tweak the program rather then destroying it. Or do we want to open up discussion about can these guys do anything right.
8- almost 40 and we don’t want to give the impression that the staff is in over their heads. This staff has proven nothing but incompetence. So called Enlightened more level headed people will continue to post patience wait until next year. We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Greg st. Jean will still be coaching this team. Mullin will still be crying to refs. We are still going to lose. Modest change = same shit.
See if you had a friend and you kept complaining the same exact complaint every 5 mins about your wife or your girlfriend, that friend would tell you I think it might be best to go your separate ways. If you complained every 5 mins about your job that same hypothetical friend would tell you it is time to start looking for another job.
I will go ahead and take on the role of your friend here. See breaking up with your significant other or getting a new job are big life decisions. Rooting for a college basketball team should not bring anyone as much unhappiness as it brings you and in us in turn having to keep reading you complain the same complaints.
I suggest a trial separation from ST John's basketball. Good jobs are hard to find. Finding a better basketball team than ST John's is not. Hell there are 9 of them in BE alone.
Just a thought.
Yo freaking co-sign
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Staff needs to compliment each other. Mike rice and Dunlap would kill each other. We need to figure out how we want to play and bring in coaches who know that system. Usually the head coach has established some kind of system.
I think you have to bring in someone to work with the big men. We have to bring in guys with similar philosophies.
Cleaning house would be a good step. (Would prefer they all go) not expecting it.
IMHO the idea here is to present to the outside world the feeling that these guys have a clue. Blowing it up would send the wrong message in that regard. The idea is to tweak the program rather then destroying it. Or do we want to open up discussion about can these guys do anything right.
8- almost 40 and we don’t want to give the impression that the staff is in over their heads. This staff has proven nothing but incompetence. So called Enlightened more level headed people will continue to post patience wait until next year. We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Greg st. Jean will still be coaching this team. Mullin will still be crying to refs. We are still going to lose. Modest change = same shit.
The one thing he actually does as a coach, crying to the refs, he even sucks at. He'll cry the whole game then finally get T-ed up when we're down 3 with 2 minutes left. Guy is a disaster. Anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless as well. I just can not see any program being successful being run by a guy who is so far over his head, no matter who else is on his staff. I'd cut ties with Santa Claus immediately, but we all know that won't happen because 75% of this fan base reside in nursing homes, and get off to the memories of 1985. Sad....
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The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
Mullin will have to manage that dynamic as head coaches are expected to do. Most programs have 2 recruiters with big egos, but the guys making the big $$ attend to any staff conflict. Slice "stuff" aside, one would hope he would be up to it this go around.
We are not most programs.
You want another recruiter or X and O old bench guy that everyone else wants? Unless you grab hybrid guy.
Personally I would want another recruiter. Preferably a guy who recruits HS kids every once in awhile.
Again none of this really matters if Mullin doesn't show something next year.
Hybrid
Will a difference making assistant want to attach himself to us at this point in time?
Specifically Rice. Would he want this to be his first job back?
If things don't work out next year, would be a 1 year return.
Who knows, but worth a try. Re: Rice, in view of fact he vied for a spot and CM did not hire him, it seems likely ship has sailed. Not end of world either.
Somebody on RDC mentioned Marc Gottlieb, currently in the D league. Seems like AC might be a come down for him, and he has the stink of Lavin on him from UCLA, but that's an intriguing name.
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To digress for a minute, who is this poster named Jamesler. He has 3 threads on the system. Is this a virus ? Anyone ?
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To digress for a minute, who is this poster named Jamesler. He has 3 threads on the system. Is this a virus ? Anyone ?
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
Some of you are just pissing in the wind. Who has said Mullin has done a good job? Some of us just think that he came in to a bad situation, has had some bad luck and he deserves(is getting it anyway) one year with a full roster. Most feel that there is a better shot of us being decent sooner if Mullin can succeed next year as opposed to starting yet another rebuild with all that usually entails.
I for one own up to the fact that maybe I would be less patient if the coach was Joe Schmoe, but staying patient for 4 years isn't exactly having the patience of Job.
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
Foady said Mullin isn’t his guy?
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We won 8 conference games last year. The staff didn't get this bad overnight. They don't have the tools. Simply move Richmond back to advisor with the same pay and pickup a veteran coach. St. Jean is a talented kid who will only get better. I think the growth last year combined with what was supposed to be a talent infusion this year gave rhe staff a false sense of their NBA system being able to work. That vision is shattered. College kids need more structure and I think they finally get that.
The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
Mullin will have to manage that dynamic as head coaches are expected to do. Most programs have 2 recruiters with big egos, but the guys making the big $$ attend to any staff conflict. Slice "stuff" aside, one would hope he would be up to it this go around.
We are not most programs.
You want another recruiter or X and O old bench guy that everyone else wants? Unless you grab hybrid guy.
Personally I would want another recruiter. Preferably a guy who recruits HS kids every once in awhile.
Again none of this really matters if Mullin doesn't show something next year.
Hybrid
Will a difference making assistant want to attach himself to us at this point in time?
Specifically Rice. Would he want this to be his first job back?
If things don't work out next year, would be a 1 year return.
Hell yeah! We will likely have the biggest turnaround in conference record for the entire country. Even if we are slightly disappointing. All because we patched a few holes.
I don't disagree though I am sure we disagree on what the "holes" are.
I expect / hope we win 17 or 18 next year.
Which would be enough for me and more importantly the school and Mullin most likely.
Others on here won't be happy with that kind of turnaround.
I tend to agree with you but let's play devil's advocate. 17-18 wins is a 3-4 win improvement in 2 years from a team I think we all know kind of sucked.
Do we all think that Fred, Malik, Darien and SIgmund were better suited to this coach free NBA system than Simon, Clark and Trimble? Or did the returning players not benefit from the extra year of experience? This year's lineup looked better up and down the line. At t his point next year's lineup only has more bodies but I don't see any significant upgrades, unless Brooks does make it to campus an performs to or above his top 100 reputation.
FWIW I was expecting 17-18 wins this year and 20 or more in 18/19, or at least that's what I wanted to be satisfied with the progress. Some might say getting to just 17 or 18 next year won't wash the stink of this year off the program. Those that are happy with it will recognize that this year's regression happened and we have to move on from here.
PS the answers to the questions above are obviously No, the answer is Marcus Lovett obviously. Whatever his reasons for not coming back that was the thing that brought this season to ruin. I believe many on here underestimate his value to this program. I don't see a replacement on the roster next year. Even if Brooks doesn't come there should be a lot more production and options in the front court next year but back courts rule college hoops and I don't see next year's being as good as this year's could have been.
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
Foady said Mullin isn’t his guy?
One of you can't read, the other one can't spell, and neither of you are very good at thinking. If you have a conversation a black hole of stupid will be created that will swallow us all. Please stop, if not for me then for the sake of humanity.
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
Some of you are just pissing in the wind. Who has said Mullin has done a good job? Some of us just think that he came in to a bad situation, has had some bad luck and he deserves(is getting it anyway) one year with a full roster. Most feel that there is a better shot of us being decent sooner if Mullin can succeed next year as opposed to starting yet another rebuild with all that usually entails.
I for one own up to the fact that maybe I would be less patient if the coach was Joe Schmoe, but staying patient for 4 years isn't exactly having the patience of Job.
Again, agree in principle, Mullin has the best chance of getting the team decent sooner. My question is does he have any chance of getting the program to the very good level? I think we'll know the answer to that question based on the progress made in the next 12-14 months.
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We won 8 conference games last year. The staff didn't get this bad overnight. They don't have the tools. Simply move Richmond back to advisor with the same pay and pickup a veteran coach. St. Jean is a talented kid who will only get better. I think the growth last year combined with what was supposed to be a talent infusion this year gave rhe staff a false sense of their NBA system being able to work. That vision is shattered. College kids need more structure and I think they finally get that.
The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
Mullin will have to manage that dynamic as head coaches are expected to do. Most programs have 2 recruiters with big egos, but the guys making the big $$ attend to any staff conflict. Slice "stuff" aside, one would hope he would be up to it this go around.
We are not most programs.
You want another recruiter or X and O old bench guy that everyone else wants? Unless you grab hybrid guy.
Personally I would want another recruiter. Preferably a guy who recruits HS kids every once in awhile.
Again none of this really matters if Mullin doesn't show something next year.
Hybrid
Will a difference making assistant want to attach himself to us at this point in time?
Specifically Rice. Would he want this to be his first job back?
If things don't work out next year, would be a 1 year return.
Hell yeah! We will likely have the biggest turnaround in conference record for the entire country. Even if we are slightly disappointing. All because we patched a few holes.
I don't disagree though I am sure we disagree on what the "holes" are.
I expect / hope we win 17 or 18 next year.
Which would be enough for me and more importantly the school and Mullin most likely.
Others on here won't be happy with that kind of turnaround.
I tend to agree with you but let's play devil's advocate. 17-18 wins is a 3-4 win improvement in 2 years from a team I think we all know kind of sucked.
Do we all think that Fred, Malik, Darien and SIgmund were better suited to this coach free NBA system than Simon, Clark and Trimble? Or did the returning players not benefit from the extra year of experience? This year's lineup looked better up and down the line. At t his point next year's lineup only has more bodies but I don't see any significant upgrades, unless Brooks does make it to campus an performs to or above his top 100 reputation.
FWIW I was expecting 17-18 wins this year and 20 or more in 18/19, or at least that's what I wanted to be satisfied with the progress. Some might say getting to just 17 or 18 next year won't wash the stink of this year off the program. Those that are happy with it will recognize that this year's regression happened and we have to move on from here.
PS the answers to the questions above are obviously No, the answer is Marcus Lovett obviously. Whatever his reasons for not coming back that was the thing that brought this season to ruin. I believe many on here underestimate his value to this program. I don't see a replacement on the roster next year. Even if Brooks doesn't come there should be a lot more production and options in the front court next year but back courts rule college hoops and I don't see next year's being as good as this year's could have been.
We won 8 conference games last year. The staff didn't get this bad overnight. They don't have the tools. Simply move Richmond back to advisor with the same pay and pickup a veteran coach. St. Jean is a talented kid who will only get better. I think the growth last year combined with what was supposed to be a talent infusion this year gave rhe staff a false sense of their NBA system being able to work. That vision is shattered. College kids need more structure and I think they finally get that.
The funny thing is everyone hates the staff except for Matt. If changes are made the guy on the staff with the least personal ties to Mullin is Matt. Chris Mullin will get fired before he fires Richmond and has ties to ST Jean's dad. IF there are changes my bet would be Matt. Hey Baldi might actually get something right. Can't wait to read the boards when it is announced that the change is Matt. Should be fun times.
You fire the single recruiter - presumably the only guy on the staff who's building relationships with future classes - and bring in a different single recruiter? Hard to believe they do that unless it's a great recruiter with head coaching experience like Norm Roberts. Besides which if the Magic 8-Baldi says it's likely it's likely not likely. Richmond becoming special advisor to the head coach a la Keady, I could see that, or maybe he gets kicked upstairs to assistant AD or something.
Yeah maybe I was just speculating and you must admit that would make for interesting times on here. But "demoting" Richmond would almost look like he is scapegoating his friend. Your scenario would make most sense but when has that ever happened around here?
And from what has been rumored, if you bring in another guy who recruits how does that dynamic with Matt work?
Mullin will have to manage that dynamic as head coaches are expected to do. Most programs have 2 recruiters with big egos, but the guys making the big $$ attend to any staff conflict. Slice "stuff" aside, one would hope he would be up to it this go around.
We are not most programs.
You want another recruiter or X and O old bench guy that everyone else wants? Unless you grab hybrid guy.
Personally I would want another recruiter. Preferably a guy who recruits HS kids every once in awhile.
Again none of this really matters if Mullin doesn't show something next year.
Hybrid
Will a difference making assistant want to attach himself to us at this point in time?
Specifically Rice. Would he want this to be his first job back?
If things don't work out next year, would be a 1 year return.
Hell yeah! We will likely have the biggest turnaround in conference record for the entire country. Even if we are slightly disappointing. All because we patched a few holes.
I don't disagree though I am sure we disagree on what the "holes" are.
I expect / hope we win 17 or 18 next year.
Which would be enough for me and more importantly the school and Mullin most likely.
Others on here won't be happy with that kind of turnaround.
I tend to agree with you but let's play devil's advocate. 17-18 wins is a 3-4 win improvement in 2 years from a team I think we all know kind of sucked.
Do we all think that Fred, Malik, Darien and SIgmund were better suited to this coach free NBA system than Simon, Clark and Trimble? Or did the returning players not benefit from the extra year of experience? This year's lineup looked better up and down the line. At t his point next year's lineup only has more bodies but I don't see any significant upgrades, unless Brooks does make it to campus an performs to or above his top 100 reputation.
FWIW I was expecting 17-18 wins this year and 20 or more in 18/19, or at least that's what I wanted to be satisfied with the progress. Some might say getting to just 17 or 18 next year won't wash the stink of this year off the program. Those that are happy with it will recognize that this year's regression happened and we have to move on from here.
PS the answers to the questions above are obviously No, the answer is Marcus Lovett obviously. Whatever his reasons for not coming back that was the thing that brought this season to ruin. I believe many on here underestimate his value to this program. I don't see a replacement on the roster next year. Even if Brooks doesn't come there should be a lot more production and options in the front court next year but back courts rule college hoops and I don't see next year's being as good as this year's could have been.
People will hate this but in my mind because of Lovett and I bet in eyes of the school the 17 or 18 wins will be considered as the step up from 2 years ago. Basically what you, I and most sane people thought was a target improvement from last year. I agree about Lovett factor and problem was doubled by poor roster management issue. I know in reality things don't work this way but for me this year never happened.
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I tend to agree with you but let's play devil's advocate. 17-18 wins is a 3-4 win improvement in 2 years from a team I think we all know kind of sucked.
Do we all think that Fred, Malik, Darien and SIgmund were better suited to this coach free NBA system than Simon, Clark and Trimble? Or did the returning players not benefit from the extra year of experience? This year's lineup looked better up and down the line. At t his point next year's lineup only has more bodies but I don't see any significant upgrades, unless Brooks does make it to campus an performs to or above his top 100 reputation.
FWIW I was expecting 17-18 wins this year and 20 or more in 18/19, or at least that's what I wanted to be satisfied with the progress. Some might say getting to just 17 or 18 next year won't wash the stink of this year off the program. Those that are happy with it will recognize that this year's regression happened and we have to move on from here.
PS the answers to the questions above are obviously No, the answer is Marcus Lovett obviously. Whatever his reasons for not coming back that was the thing that brought this season to ruin. I believe many on here underestimate his value to this program. I don't see a replacement on the roster next year. Even if Brooks doesn't come there should be a lot more production and options in the front court next year but back courts rule college hoops and I don't see next year's being as good as this year's could have been.
+1
I've already stated the only players I expect to help us right out of the gate is Brooks and Dixon. I'm still cautiously-optimistic with that being said. I'm not sure their production will be good enough to catapult us to where I think we should be in Year 4.
Coaching needs to be cleaned up.
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
Foady said Mullin isn’t his guy?
One of you can't read, the other one can't spell, and neither of you are very good at thinking. If you have a conversation a black hole of stupid will be created that will swallow us all. Please stop, if not for me then for the sake of humanity.
Foady- That’s what I thought - mullin is and will always be Santa 🎅. We could lose the rest of the games this season. True believer. Trust the process.
Been sick with flu all week. Thanks for the laughs
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
Some of you are just pissing in the wind. Who has said Mullin has done a good job? Some of us just think that he came in to a bad situation, has had some bad luck and he deserves(is getting it anyway) one year with a full roster. Most feel that there is a better shot of us being decent sooner if Mullin can succeed next year as opposed to starting yet another rebuild with all that usually entails.
I for one own up to the fact that maybe I would be less patient if the coach was Joe Schmoe, but staying patient for 4 years isn't exactly having the patience of Job.
Again, agree in principle, Mullin has the best chance of getting the team decent sooner. My question is does he have any chance of getting the program to the very good level? I think we'll know the answer to that question based on the progress made in the next 12-14 months.
Yes we won't know that next level question until sometime next year.
If it doesn't work out I am certainly not going to post every hour on the hour he should quit, but I certainly will understand if he is fired / resigns.
My question is does the guy who can bring us to the next level exist for us?
I think people looking for Big Foot have had better success locating that mystical being than ST John's has had of theirs.
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
I bring up Lavin every other days tops and I do it interesting in ways that bring people joy and if not happiness then at least in ways that makes them think. That's why everyone loves me. Even the people who hate me love me and consider me a national treasure. You on the other hand are a deadly dull dreary bore who repeats the same deadly dull dreary things over and over in the same deadly dull dreary way. Which is why you are less beloved than am I. Imagine, being liked less than FOADY. The mind boggles. And yet you've managed it with little or no effort, just by being yourself. No one begrudges you your opinion, they begrudge you your complete and utter boringosityness. You are killing us (royal) by the weight of the sheer deadly dullness of witless repetition of completely obvious facts and vacuous platitudes. Even Paultzman slams you and compared to me he's Mother Teresa and the Buddha rolled into one. I'm not asking you to look inward, I'm pretty sure there's nothing there. But for god sake could you try and be a little less wretched. Mix it up a little. Start some more FIRE MITCH RICHMOND threads. Threaten to wear a bag over your head. Register firemullinnow.com and create an on line petition. Something. Anything.
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
Foady said Mullin isn’t his guy?
One of you can't read, the other one can't spell, and neither of you are very good at thinking. If you have a conversation a black hole of stupid will be created that will swallow us all. Please stop, if not for me then for the sake of humanity.
Fun
Think back to BEB days. Would you ever have imagined 10 years later we would be on same side of blasting the stream of tedious posts from people complaining about a ST john's coach? Long strange trip being a ST John's fan!
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Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
Yeah, no. What I said was "You say that like I care about Mullin." By which I meant that I'm not emotionally attached to Chris Mullin the person. I was happy when he was hired and wrote an incredibly moving essay about his hiring that brought myself to tears. I hoped he would do well as head coach and thought he would. I continue to be optimistic about his trajectory as HC and the program's despite the set backs this year. Should he fail long term that would make me sad, because I am a fan of his and of the program. But Mullin qua Mullin, I could give an intercourse.
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Think back to BEB days. Would you ever have imagined 10 years later we would be on same side of blasting the stream of tedious posts from people complaining about a ST john's coach? Long strange trip being a ST John's fan!
I knew you'd come to the dark side eventually. I saw your potential back then, even if you didn't.
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
Foady said Mullin isn’t his guy?
One of you can't read, the other one can't spell, and neither of you are very good at thinking. If you have a conversation a black hole of stupid will be created that will swallow us all. Please stop, if not for me then for the sake of humanity.
Fun
Think back to BEB days. Would you ever have imagined 10 years later we would be on same side of blasting the stream of tedious posts from people complaining about a ST john's coach? Long strange trip being a ST John's fan!
No homo though
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
Foady said Mullin isn’t his guy?
One of you can't read, the other one can't spell, and neither of you are very good at thinking. If you have a conversation a black hole of stupid will be created that will swallow us all. Please stop, if not for me then for the sake of humanity.
Fun
Think back to BEB days. Would you ever have imagined 10 years later we would be on same side of blasting the stream of tedious posts from people complaining about a ST john's coach? Long strange trip being a ST John's fan!
No homo though
Don't know what that post meant but you have managed to stay the same the last 10 years. Comforting in a way. Like an old smelly slipper.
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Foady- That’s what I thought - mullin is and will always be Santa 🎅. We could lose the rest of the games this season. True believer. Trust the process.
Been sick with flu all week. Thanks for the laughs
See stupid, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I did not mention Mullin at all. I did not mention basketball at all. And yet your reply is a dreary dull rehash of your last 1000 posts. This is why everyone thinks you're awful.
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Foady- That’s what I thought - mullin is and will always be Santa 🎅. We could lose the rest of the games this season. True believer. Trust the process.
Been sick with flu all week. Thanks for the laughs
See stupid, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I did not mention Mullin at all. I did not mention basketball at all. And yet your reply is a dreary dull rehash of your last 1000 posts. This is why everyone thinks you're awful.
I think u are great. Thanks
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
Foady said Mullin isn’t his guy?
One of you can't read, the other one can't spell, and neither of you are very good at thinking. If you have a conversation a black hole of stupid will be created that will swallow us all. Please stop, if not for me then for the sake of humanity.
Fun
Think back to BEB days. Would you ever have imagined 10 years later we would be on same side of blasting the stream of tedious posts from people complaining about a ST john's coach? Long strange trip being a ST John's fan!
No homo though
Don't know what that post meant but you have managed to stay the same the last 10 years. Comforting in a way. Like an old smelly slipper.
Muah
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
Foady said Mullin isn’t his guy?
One of you can't read, the other one can't spell, and neither of you are very good at thinking. If you have a conversation a black hole of stupid will be created that will swallow us all. Please stop, if not for me then for the sake of humanity.
Fun
Think back to BEB days. Would you ever have imagined 10 years later we would be on same side of blasting the stream of tedious posts from people complaining about a ST john's coach? Long strange trip being a ST John's fan!
No homo though
Don't know what that post meant but you have managed to stay the same the last 10 years. Comforting in a way. Like an old smelly slipper.
Muah
You are in tough spot here. Probably annoy most people at this point by defending Mullin. I don't think just bashing Matt going to get you the reaction you want.
Think you need to go full on pro Mullin.
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staff is in over their heads.
This staff has proven nothing but incompetence.
We have roster issues, cupards and other excuses. IMHO that is a bunch of crap.
Mullin will still be crying to refs.
We are still going to lose
If I get this same dull dreary message that you repeat every 20 minutes made into a tee shirt (gray obviously, because you're so deadly dull, printing front and back) will you wear the tee shirt and stop posting it?
Sir ,
U bring up Steve Lavin every day of your life. Anytime someone wants me to trust the process I get mad. 8- certainly 40 plus
Mullin isn’t Foad’s guy. (He says that now. How convenient) When he was hired he certainly believed he’d get the job done because “he’s been successful” with every job he’s had. Clearly that’s not true. It wasn’t even true then.
I don’t care what’s happened, you are what your record is.
Foady said Mullin isn’t his guy?
One of you can't read, the other one can't spell, and neither of you are very good at thinking. If you have a conversation a black hole of stupid will be created that will swallow us all. Please stop, if not for me then for the sake of humanity.
Fun
Think back to BEB days. Would you ever have imagined 10 years later we would be on same side of blasting the stream of tedious posts from people complaining about a ST john's coach? Long strange trip being a ST John's fan!
No homo though
Don't know what that post meant but you have managed to stay the same the last 10 years. Comforting in a way. Like an old smelly slipper.
Muah
You are in tough spot here. Probably annoy most people at this point by defending Mullin. I don't think just bashing Matt going to get you the reaction you want.
Think you need to go full on pro Mullin.
No chance Mullin gets fired. Do you want to be the AD that fires the face of the program?
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He's not getting fired obviously but this is still the plan, 2 year plan. Huge bounce back next year and then VERY HIGH expectations for year 5 with a major player or 2 added for that season, 19-20.
Will this happen? I have my doubts.
But they believe inside the walls of 8000 Utopia Parkway that the short bench and Lovett are most responsible for this season and that some roster improvement and maybe a staff change will turn it all around next year. I sure as hell hope they are right because I can't imagine if we are sitting here a year from now and they are say 4-7, heading nowhere, and have to go to play Duke say in Cameron on National Television with rumors that Mullin's future at SJU is in doubt....and then they get waxed by 30+ what that will be like for him around campus...I don't want to see that happen. He means too much to the program and I want him to succeed as much as anyone.
But again they understand the urgency which is why they are selling next year as a big turnaround.
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I do not mind that there is a 2 year plan, only IF there are some drastic changes to the staff. No changes, and the school could do a 50 year plan, it will not make a difference without the right people leading the team. SJU got themselves into this mess, now for once, lets see if they can get themselves out of it.
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Part of the 2 year plan was to win some games this year. 2 weeks later that can’t be scraped completely. Giving him complete authority over the program needs to end also. Coaching changes (plural) are not suggestive but mandatory.
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I do not mind that there is a 2 year plan, only IF there are some drastic changes to the staff. No changes, and the school could do a 50 year plan, it will not make a difference without the right people leading the team. SJU got themselves into this mess, now for once, lets see if they can get themselves out of it.
Ultimately how he does it is not important to me as the fact that it happens. Because major changes or not if we are sitting here on 2/1/19 asking the same questions he is in trouble...
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If Mullin does not make drastic changes, there will be no more questions from fans a year from now, even the most Mullin homers will have already given up.
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
We beat duke. Nothing negative from me. Tough game Wednesday. Season back on. Big game Saturday.
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I found it interesting today to hear that Mullin is only coach at sju to not report to ad, but to president of school. If that is true, it will be on Mullin to make changes on his own with no pressure from anyone with a true knowledge of cbb landscape.
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I found it interesting today to hear that Mullin is only coach at sju to not report to ad, but to president of school. If that is true, it will be on Mullin to make changes on his own with no pressure from anyone with a true knowledge of cbb landscape.
Does he have the power and authority to fire himself if need be? Just joking don't all the lovers get your panties in a bunch! ;) :)
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
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I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
Hmm. To the untrained ear it sounds like you're giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
At first, I thought this "2 year plan" was nothing more than the university doing some kind of PR stunt, while internally thinking "we can get 2 more years, just so the buyout will be cheaper". However after these two wins, I am fully on board with a 2 year plan, and if Mullin shakes up staff with qualified coaches, this jump to upper big east is going to happen overnight.
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
At first, I thought this "2 year plan" was nothing more than the university doing some kind of PR stunt, while internally thinking "we can get 2 more years, just so the buyout will be cheaper". However after these two wins, I am fully on board with a 2 year plan, and if Mullin shakes up staff with qualified coaches, this jump to upper big east is going to happen overnight.
With all due respect (and nothing against the poster who reported on the two year plan), "Do as well as we can the rest of this year, build on that next year and recruit some good players in the next recruiting year" is pretty much the two year plan of every team in the country. This isnt exactly reinventing the wheel. Still good to see that the plan, even it it is Program Building 101, looks like its being executed.
The only real variable in the plan is whether or not they shake up the staff, which ironically wiil become more difficult if they end the season on a tear. Fingers crossed that the need for an experienced coach isnt obscured by a few late season wins. Hell, fingers crossed that we win a bunch of games and have that problem in the first place.
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
Compete with Villanova? Big deal, they suck. They just lost to an 0-11 last place in the conference team at home. LOL
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
Let's get this straight, you think beating Duke and Nova was part of your arbitrary two year plan? If it was that easy they would have planned to win the other 11 conference games too.
Perhaps they are closer to competing than you gave them credit for? Perhaps they are better off playing 6-7 guys all year as teams start to go with shorter rotations? Maybe they realized the 8-10 pts they were losing by playing AA was less than the number of points they were losing by? And maybe they just finally learned how to survive without Lovett?
This was never a two year plan. This was about finding a way to keep the game close so Ponds could have a chance to win it. They are thinking about the next game, not next year.
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
Let's get this straight, you think beating Duke and Nova was part of your arbitrary two year plan? If it was that easy they would have planned to win the other 11 conference games too.
Perhaps they are closer to competing than you gave them credit for? Perhaps they are better off playing 6-7 guys all year as teams start to go with shorter rotations? Maybe they realized the 8-10 pts they were losing by playing AA was less than the number of points they were losing by? And maybe they just finally learned how to survive without Lovett?
This was never a two year plan. This was about finding a way to keep the game close so Ponds could have a chance to win it. They are thinking about the next game, not next year.
Probably both.
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
Let's get this straight, you think beating Duke and Nova was part of your arbitrary two year plan? If it was that easy they would have planned to win the other 11 conference games too.
Perhaps they are closer to competing than you gave them credit for? Perhaps they are better off playing 6-7 guys all year as teams start to go with shorter rotations? Maybe they realized the 8-10 pts they were losing by playing AA was less than the number of points they were losing by? And maybe they just finally learned how to survive without Lovett?
This was never a two year plan. This was about finding a way to keep the game close so Ponds could have a chance to win it. They are thinking about the next game, not next year.
What are you talking g about???
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
Let's get this straight, you think beating Duke and Nova was part of your arbitrary two year plan? If it was that easy they would have planned to win the other 11 conference games too.
Perhaps they are closer to competing than you gave them credit for? Perhaps they are better off playing 6-7 guys all year as teams start to go with shorter rotations? Maybe they realized the 8-10 pts they were losing by playing AA was less than the number of points they were losing by? And maybe they just finally learned how to survive without Lovett?
This was never a two year plan. This was about finding a way to keep the game close so Ponds could have a chance to win it. They are thinking about the next game, not next year.
What are you talking g about???
Your two year plan is one of the most assanine things ever posted in this forum. The players and the staff want to win now. The staff wants to get the best players possible. Two year plans are for brand new hires.
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
Let's get this straight, you think beating Duke and Nova was part of your arbitrary two year plan? If it was that easy they would have planned to win the other 11 conference games too.
Perhaps they are closer to competing than you gave them credit for? Perhaps they are better off playing 6-7 guys all year as teams start to go with shorter rotations? Maybe they realized the 8-10 pts they were losing by playing AA was less than the number of points they were losing by? And maybe they just finally learned how to survive without Lovett?
This was never a two year plan. This was about finding a way to keep the game close so Ponds could have a chance to win it. They are thinking about the next game, not next year.
What are you talking g about???
Your two year plan is one of the most assanine things ever posted in this forum. The players and the staff want to win now. The staff wants to get the best players possible. Two year plans are for brand new hires.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Fordham just reporting back what someone close to the program told him was the new outlook as of January 23rd? Also, what's an assanine?
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
Let's get this straight, you think beating Duke and Nova was part of your arbitrary two year plan? If it was that easy they would have planned to win the other 11 conference games too.
Perhaps they are closer to competing than you gave them credit for? Perhaps they are better off playing 6-7 guys all year as teams start to go with shorter rotations? Maybe they realized the 8-10 pts they were losing by playing AA was less than the number of points they were losing by? And maybe they just finally learned how to survive without Lovett?
This was never a two year plan. This was about finding a way to keep the game close so Ponds could have a chance to win it. They are thinking about the next game, not next year.
What are you talking g about???
Your two year plan is one of the most assanine things ever posted in this forum. The players and the staff want to win now. The staff wants to get the best players possible. Two year plans are for brand new hires.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Fordham just reporting back what someone close to the program told him was the new outlook as of January 23rd? Also, what's an assanine?
*asinine. Sorry I was posting one handed on lowest brightness setting on phone while laying next to my son until he was safely asleep.
I don't care where Fordham purports to get his info. The only staffs with two year plans are brand new hires. When you have Shamorie Ponds you try to win right away. We would be right where we should be if Lovett didn't get hurt and/or they had a capable 3* PG.
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
Let's get this straight, you think beating Duke and Nova was part of your arbitrary two year plan? If it was that easy they would have planned to win the other 11 conference games too.
Perhaps they are closer to competing than you gave them credit for? Perhaps they are better off playing 6-7 guys all year as teams start to go with shorter rotations? Maybe they realized the 8-10 pts they were losing by playing AA was less than the number of points they were losing by? And maybe they just finally learned how to survive without Lovett?
This was never a two year plan. This was about finding a way to keep the game close so Ponds could have a chance to win it. They are thinking about the next game, not next year.
What are you talking g about???
Your two year plan is one of the most assanine things ever posted in this forum. The players and the staff want to win now. The staff wants to get the best players possible. Two year plans are for brand new hires.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Fordham just reporting back what someone close to the program told him was the new outlook as of January 23rd? Also, what's an assanine?
*asinine. Sorry I was posting one handed on lowest brightness setting on phone while laying next to my son until he was safely asleep.
I don't care where Fordham purports to get his info. The only staffs with two year plans are brand new hires. When you have Shamorie Ponds you try to win right away. We would be right where we should be if Lovett didn't get hurt and/or they had a capable 3* PG.
2 year plan was because at 10-13 this year became a throwaway and next year he needed to show progress. Basically just giving Mullin an out for this year because no matter what he wasn't getting fired. That was just common sense.
As far as point guard that is not one of our problems. I like Ponds and Simon sharing point guard duties. And Ponds needs to show he can really play the point to improve his draft status. Hopefully that is the reason he decides to stay another year. If he can continue to his some outside shots and show he can play point at the next level (I think he can) then he can sneak into back end of draft next year.
What this team needs is another guy who can knock down shots, someone that can get us an easy basket down low and really just 3 more BE quality players.
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
If he plays off the ball it hurts his draft status. And I like him with the ball because harder to deny him because will have to do it full court. Simon throws some bad passes and is not a good foul shooter but his handle is fine. And at end of games Ponds should have ball anyway.
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
Let's get this straight, you think beating Duke and Nova was part of your arbitrary two year plan? If it was that easy they would have planned to win the other 11 conference games too.
Perhaps they are closer to competing than you gave them credit for? Perhaps they are better off playing 6-7 guys all year as teams start to go with shorter rotations? Maybe they realized the 8-10 pts they were losing by playing AA was less than the number of points they were losing by? And maybe they just finally learned how to survive without Lovett?
This was never a two year plan. This was about finding a way to keep the game close so Ponds could have a chance to win it. They are thinking about the next game, not next year.
What are you talking g about???
Your two year plan is one of the most assanine things ever posted in this forum. The players and the staff want to win now. The staff wants to get the best players possible. Two year plans are for brand new hires.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Fordham just reporting back what someone close to the program told him was the new outlook as of January 23rd? Also, what's an assanine?
*asinine. Sorry I was posting one handed on lowest brightness setting on phone while laying next to my son until he was safely asleep.
I don't care where Fordham purports to get his info. The only staffs with two year plans are brand new hires. When you have Shamorie Ponds you try to win right away. We would be right where we should be if Lovett didn't get hurt and/or they had a capable 3* PG.
2 year plan was because at 10-13 this year became a throwaway and next year he needed to show progress. Basically just giving Mullin an out for this year because no matter what he wasn't getting fired. That was just common sense.
As far as point guard that is not one of our problems. I like Ponds and Simon sharing point guard duties. And Ponds needs to show he can really play the point to improve his draft status. Hopefully that is the reason he decides to stay another year. If he can continue to his some outside shots and show he can play point at the next level (I think he can) then he can sneak into back end of draft next year.
What this team needs is another guy who can knock down shots, someone that can get us an easy basket down low and really just 3 more BE quality players.
Correct. Seemed pretty straight forward to me but apparently confusing for some.
Also agree on this. One more guy that can get his own shot is the key.
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
Let's get this straight, you think beating Duke and Nova was part of your arbitrary two year plan? If it was that easy they would have planned to win the other 11 conference games too.
Perhaps they are closer to competing than you gave them credit for? Perhaps they are better off playing 6-7 guys all year as teams start to go with shorter rotations? Maybe they realized the 8-10 pts they were losing by playing AA was less than the number of points they were losing by? And maybe they just finally learned how to survive without Lovett?
This was never a two year plan. This was about finding a way to keep the game close so Ponds could have a chance to win it. They are thinking about the next game, not next year.
What are you talking g about???
Your two year plan is one of the most assanine things ever posted in this forum. The players and the staff want to win now. The staff wants to get the best players possible. Two year plans are for brand new hires.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Fordham just reporting back what someone close to the program told him was the new outlook as of January 23rd? Also, what's an assanine?
*asinine. Sorry I was posting one handed on lowest brightness setting on phone while laying next to my son until he was safely asleep.
I don't care where Fordham purports to get his info. The only staffs with two year plans are brand new hires. When you have Shamorie Ponds you try to win right away. We would be right where we should be if Lovett didn't get hurt and/or they had a capable 3* PG.
2 year plan was because at 10-13 this year became a throwaway and next year he needed to show progress. Basically just giving Mullin an out for this year because no matter what he wasn't getting fired. That was just common sense.
As far as point guard that is not one of our problems. I like Ponds and Simon sharing point guard duties. And Ponds needs to show he can really play the point to improve his draft status. Hopefully that is the reason he decides to stay another year. If he can continue to his some outside shots and show he can play point at the next level (I think he can) then he can sneak into back end of draft next year.
What this team needs is another guy who can knock down shots, someone that can get us an easy basket down low and really just 3 more BE quality players.
Correct. Seemed pretty straight forward to me but apparently confusing for some.
Also agree on this. One more guy that can get his own shot is the key.
Just to be clear, because I can't modify I meant Ponds could sneak into back end of FIRST round if he shows he can play the point.
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
If he plays off the ball it hurts his draft status. And I like him with the ball because harder to deny him because will have to do it full court. Simon throws some bad passes and is not a good foul shooter but his handle is fine. And at end of games Ponds should have ball anyway.
Ponds is great at point and will primarily play there. But you see at end of games teams are doing everything they can to keep ball out of his hands. Also simons majority of his assists come from him seeing over the top and using his height and vision to make passes. Not often does he get into lane and kick out to shooters. Need a guy to do that other than ponds And that is no slight to Simon. Hopefully Dixon can be that guy.
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
If he plays off the ball it hurts his draft status. And I like him with the ball because harder to deny him because will have to do it full court. Simon throws some bad passes and is not a good foul shooter but his handle is fine. And at end of games Ponds should have ball anyway.
Ponds is great at point and will primarily play there. But you see at end of games teams are doing everything they can to keep ball out of his hands. Also simons majority of his assists come from him seeing over the top and using his height and vision to make passes. Not often does he get into lane and kick out to shooters. Need a guy to do that other than ponds And that is no slight to Simon. Hopefully Dixon can be that guy.
Again splitting hairs here but don't think Clark needs more looks than he gets and only other guy I trust shooting threes does so better off the bounce. If Dixon can knock down threes at a decent % that helps us more than if he can play some point.
BTW I think your boy will leave if he plays close to this over last 5-7 games or whatever. I think that would cost him money as if he plays next year on a good team, primarily plays the point and cleans up his FG% I think he goes at back-end of 1st round. I don't think he has enough time to get himself into 1st round this year.
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
If he plays off the ball it hurts his draft status. And I like him with the ball because harder to deny him because will have to do it full court. Simon throws some bad passes and is not a good foul shooter but his handle is fine. And at end of games Ponds should have ball anyway.
Ponds is great at point and will primarily play there. But you see at end of games teams are doing everything they can to keep ball out of his hands. Also simons majority of his assists come from him seeing over the top and using his height and vision to make passes. Not often does he get into lane and kick out to shooters. Need a guy to do that other than ponds And that is no slight to Simon. Hopefully Dixon can be that guy.
Again splitting hairs here but don't think Clark needs more looks than he gets and only other guy I trust shooting threes does so better off the bounce. If Dixon can knock down threes at a decent % that helps us more than if he can play some point.
BTW I think your boy will leave if he plays close to this over last 5-7 games or whatever. I think that would cost him money as if he plays next year on a good team, primarily plays the point and cleans up his FG% I think he goes at back-end of 1st round. I don't think he has enough time to get himself into 1st round this year.
Don’t you think maybe Ponds shoots better off the bounce because he doesn’t get good looks off of drive and kicks? Couldn’t it be possible your wrong about something?
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
Simon has met all expectations this year. At Arizona as a frosh he played minimal time, so this is his first year a a full time player. While I shudder when he goes to FT line, his %age has gone from 43% to 63% in the same amount of FT/minute played. He has improved in that area and would expect more improvement over the next 2 years. After Ponds he has second most FT's on team. He has shown ability to double double and would expect this to continue. Also, this year will show him and the coaches his deficits regarding outside shooting/3 point shooting. To get to the next level, these will have to improve. All in all, I love the energy he brings to the game and his leadership. PS-he leads team in rebounding and assists--interesting com
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Redslope your quote got messed up but I got it. I don’t want anyone to think I don’t like simon. In fact I love his game. It’s the epitome of team first. I think he is the PERFECT point forward. I just don’t want him being a primary ball handler the last five minutes of close games.
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
If he plays off the ball it hurts his draft status. And I like him with the ball because harder to deny him because will have to do it full court. Simon throws some bad passes and is not a good foul shooter but his handle is fine. And at end of games Ponds should have ball anyway.
Ponds is great at point and will primarily play there. But you see at end of games teams are doing everything they can to keep ball out of his hands. Also simons majority of his assists come from him seeing over the top and using his height and vision to make passes. Not often does he get into lane and kick out to shooters. Need a guy to do that other than ponds And that is no slight to Simon. Hopefully Dixon can be that guy.
Again splitting hairs here but don't think Clark needs more looks than he gets and only other guy I trust shooting threes does so better off the bounce. If Dixon can knock down threes at a decent % that helps us more than if he can play some point.
BTW I think your boy will leave if he plays close to this over last 5-7 games or whatever. I think that would cost him money as if he plays next year on a good team, primarily plays the point and cleans up his FG% I think he goes at back-end of 1st round. I don't think he has enough time to get himself into 1st round this year.
Don’t you think maybe Ponds shoots better off the bounce because he doesn’t get good looks off of drive and kicks? Couldn’t it be possible your wrong about something?
Takes more talent to shoot off the dribble but there are guys who for whatever reason shoot better. Ponds stand still shot is still too herky jerky. He seems to square himself better off the bounce. Your comparison Van Excel also shot better off the bounce. So did Mobley. Maybe a lefty thing not sure. Though this was also true of Jamal Crawford.
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
If he plays off the ball it hurts his draft status. And I like him with the ball because harder to deny him because will have to do it full court. Simon throws some bad passes and is not a good foul shooter but his handle is fine. And at end of games Ponds should have ball anyway.
Ponds is great at point and will primarily play there. But you see at end of games teams are doing everything they can to keep ball out of his hands. Also simons majority of his assists come from him seeing over the top and using his height and vision to make passes. Not often does he get into lane and kick out to shooters. Need a guy to do that other than ponds And that is no slight to Simon. Hopefully Dixon can be that guy.
Again splitting hairs here but don't think Clark needs more looks than he gets and only other guy I trust shooting threes does so better off the bounce. If Dixon can knock down threes at a decent % that helps us more than if he can play some point.
BTW I think your boy will leave if he plays close to this over last 5-7 games or whatever. I think that would cost him money as if he plays next year on a good team, primarily plays the point and cleans up his FG% I think he goes at back-end of 1st round. I don't think he has enough time to get himself into 1st round this year.
Don’t you think maybe Ponds shoots better off the bounce because he doesn’t get good looks off of drive and kicks? Couldn’t it be possible your wrong about something?
Takes more talent to shoot off the dribble but there are guys who for whatever reason shoot better. Ponds stand still shot is still too herky jerky. He seems to square himself better off the bounce. Your comparison Van Excel also shot better off the bounce. So did Mobley. Maybe a lefty thing not sure. Though this was also true of Jamal Crawford.
Completely fair and possible that he isn’t better off the dribble. I bet you he spent a shit ton of time shooting by himself growing up and that would explain why he’s so good off the dribble. I just think he’s a good shooter both off the catch and the dribble.
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Meant possible he is better off the dribble.
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Meant possible he is better off the dribble.
Could be simply that he has too much time to think when shooting a jumper as opposed to off the dribble he is in rhythm and is more natural.
I think would def benefit him to stay another year but have a feeling he won't. Goes w/o saying it would benefit us.
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
If he plays off the ball it hurts his draft status. And I like him with the ball because harder to deny him because will have to do it full court. Simon throws some bad passes and is not a good foul shooter but his handle is fine. And at end of games Ponds should have ball anyway.
Ponds is great at point and will primarily play there. But you see at end of games teams are doing everything they can to keep ball out of his hands. Also simons majority of his assists come from him seeing over the top and using his height and vision to make passes. Not often does he get into lane and kick out to shooters. Need a guy to do that other than ponds And that is no slight to Simon. Hopefully Dixon can be that guy.
Again splitting hairs here but don't think Clark needs more looks than he gets and only other guy I trust shooting threes does so better off the bounce. If Dixon can knock down threes at a decent % that helps us more than if he can play some point.
BTW I think your boy will leave if he plays close to this over last 5-7 games or whatever. I think that would cost him money as if he plays next year on a good team, primarily plays the point and cleans up his FG% I think he goes at back-end of 1st round. I don't think he has enough time to get himself into 1st round this year.
Don’t you think maybe Ponds shoots better off the bounce because he doesn’t get good looks off of drive and kicks? Couldn’t it be possible your wrong about something?
Takes more talent to shoot off the dribble but there are guys who for whatever reason shoot better. Ponds stand still shot is still too herky jerky. He seems to square himself better off the bounce. Your comparison Van Excel also shot better off the bounce. So did Mobley. Maybe a lefty thing not sure. Though this was also true of Jamal Crawford.
Iverson, Marbury, Kenny Anderson from what I have heard Pearl Monroe. I guess it applies for guys with sick handles.
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Meant possible he is better off the dribble.
Could be simply that he has too much time to think when shooting a jumper as opposed to off the dribble he is in rhythm and is more natural.
I think would def benefit him to stay another year but have a feeling he won't. Goes w/o saying it would benefit us.
I fear the same. Would deff improve his stock with another year but I also don’t think there’s 30 better prospects than him.
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Maybe, just maybe the 2 year plan got an early start today...
Again the plan was to try to end this season with some momentum and carry that into next year where they believe the roster and potential staff change will yield much better results. And then really strike some top talent in 2019 and make another jump in 2019-20 to where they think they can compete over an 18 game schedule with Nova. I'll admit I was not 100% convinced it would happen but no question this past week has given me and others confidence that not only is this plan not far fetched but in fact completely realistic.
Let's get this straight, you think beating Duke and Nova was part of your arbitrary two year plan? If it was that easy they would have planned to win the other 11 conference games too.
Perhaps they are closer to competing than you gave them credit for? Perhaps they are better off playing 6-7 guys all year as teams start to go with shorter rotations? Maybe they realized the 8-10 pts they were losing by playing AA was less than the number of points they were losing by? And maybe they just finally learned how to survive without Lovett?
This was never a two year plan. This was about finding a way to keep the game close so Ponds could have a chance to win it. They are thinking about the next game, not next year.
What are you talking g about???
Your two year plan is one of the most assanine things ever posted in this forum. The players and the staff want to win now. The staff wants to get the best players possible. Two year plans are for brand new hires.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Fordham just reporting back what someone close to the program told him was the new outlook as of January 23rd? Also, what's an assanine?
*asinine. Sorry I was posting one handed on lowest brightness setting on phone while laying next to my son until he was safely asleep.
I don't care where Fordham purports to get his info. The only staffs with two year plans are brand new hires. When you have Shamorie Ponds you try to win right away. We would be right where we should be if Lovett didn't get hurt and/or they had a capable 3* PG.
2 year plan was because at 10-13 this year became a throwaway and next year he needed to show progress. Basically just giving Mullin an out for this year because no matter what he wasn't getting fired. That was just common sense.
As far as point guard that is not one of our problems. I like Ponds and Simon sharing point guard duties. And Ponds needs to show he can really play the point to improve his draft status. Hopefully that is the reason he decides to stay another year. If he can continue to his some outside shots and show he can play point at the next level (I think he can) then he can sneak into back end of draft next year.
What this team needs is another guy who can knock down shots, someone that can get us an easy basket down low and really just 3 more BE quality players.
So let's make a plan for right after we lose the best player we've had in 20 years? It's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpsttlXye8&feature=relateded and Fordham was pulling it out of his arse. We are two decent backups away. The staff knows this. If Ponds is here for his senior year it will be a miracle.
You can't plan two years out anymore. Look at what's happening with Brooks now. Sid Wilson was lost in a week. Mussini and Freudenberg. Ellison and Sima. Freaking Marcus Lovett! All you can do is balance the roster and keep recruiting. I find this two year plan to be ridiculous. Good luck replacing Ponds in two years.
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
If he plays off the ball it hurts his draft status. And I like him with the ball because harder to deny him because will have to do it full court. Simon throws some bad passes and is not a good foul shooter but his handle is fine. And at end of games Ponds should have ball anyway.
Ponds is great at point and will primarily play there. But you see at end of games teams are doing everything they can to keep ball out of his hands. Also simons majority of his assists come from him seeing over the top and using his height and vision to make passes. Not often does he get into lane and kick out to shooters. Need a guy to do that other than ponds And that is no slight to Simon. Hopefully Dixon can be that guy.
Again splitting hairs here but don't think Clark needs more looks than he gets and only other guy I trust shooting threes does so better off the bounce. If Dixon can knock down threes at a decent % that helps us more than if he can play some point.
BTW I think your boy will leave if he plays close to this over last 5-7 games or whatever. I think that would cost him money as if he plays next year on a good team, primarily plays the point and cleans up his FG% I think he goes at back-end of 1st round. I don't think he has enough time to get himself into 1st round this year.
Don’t you think maybe Ponds shoots better off the bounce because he doesn’t get good looks off of drive and kicks? Couldn’t it be possible your wrong about something?
Takes more talent to shoot off the dribble but there are guys who for whatever reason shoot better. Ponds stand still shot is still too herky jerky. He seems to square himself better off the bounce. Your comparison Van Excel also shot better off the bounce. So did Mobley. Maybe a lefty thing not sure. Though this was also true of Jamal Crawford.
Iverson, Marbury, Kenny Anderson from what I have heard Pearl Monroe. I guess it applies for guys with sick handles.
You've officially lost it. Ponds gets one set shot every 2-3 games. He's a great shooter. He could bet hitting 50% with Clark's attempts. Markus Howard has lost nearly 10% from his shooting % last year because his degree of difficulty has gone up. I said that would happen with him.
Ponds needs a ball handler to take the pressure off him and set him up for a few easy looks. Even Howard has Rousey.
As for Simon, he is very raw. He is a great passer, but he just can't handle like a second dribbling option should be able to. His athletic ability bails him out of a lot of ugly situations. He'd be better served with playing SF and some PF for 28-30 mpg but that is not an option this year.
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
If he plays off the ball it hurts his draft status. And I like him with the ball because harder to deny him because will have to do it full court. Simon throws some bad passes and is not a good foul shooter but his handle is fine. And at end of games Ponds should have ball anyway.
Ponds is great at point and will primarily play there. But you see at end of games teams are doing everything they can to keep ball out of his hands. Also simons majority of his assists come from him seeing over the top and using his height and vision to make passes. Not often does he get into lane and kick out to shooters. Need a guy to do that other than ponds And that is no slight to Simon. Hopefully Dixon can be that guy.
Again splitting hairs here but don't think Clark needs more looks than he gets and only other guy I trust shooting threes does so better off the bounce. If Dixon can knock down threes at a decent % that helps us more than if he can play some point.
BTW I think your boy will leave if he plays close to this over last 5-7 games or whatever. I think that would cost him money as if he plays next year on a good team, primarily plays the point and cleans up his FG% I think he goes at back-end of 1st round. I don't think he has enough time to get himself into 1st round this year.
Don’t you think maybe Ponds shoots better off the bounce because he doesn’t get good looks off of drive and kicks? Couldn’t it be possible your wrong about something?
Takes more talent to shoot off the dribble but there are guys who for whatever reason shoot better. Ponds stand still shot is still too herky jerky. He seems to square himself better off the bounce. Your comparison Van Excel also shot better off the bounce. So did Mobley. Maybe a lefty thing not sure. Though this was also true of Jamal Crawford.
Iverson, Marbury, Kenny Anderson from what I have heard Pearl Monroe. I guess it applies for guys with sick handles.
You've officially lost it. Ponds gets one set shot every 2-3 games. He's a great shooter. He could bet hitting 50% with Clark's attempts. Markus Howard has lost nearly 10% from his shooting % last year because his degree of difficulty has gone up. I said that would happen with him.
Ponds needs a ball handler to take the pressure off him and set him up for a few easy looks. Even Howard has Rousey.
As for Simon, he is very raw. He is a great passer, but he just can't handle like a second dribbling option should be able to. His athletic ability bails him out of a lot of ugly situations. He'd be better served with playing SF and some PF for 28-30 mpg but that is not an option this year.
Ponds is 6-1. He should be the point guard with Simon splitting it with him. Ponds is not a good stand still shooter. Shoots way better off the dribble. You are watching different guy and team.
What would take pressure off of Ponds is if they had another dependable scorer. Not a point guard.
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
If he plays off the ball it hurts his draft status. And I like him with the ball because harder to deny him because will have to do it full court. Simon throws some bad passes and is not a good foul shooter but his handle is fine. And at end of games Ponds should have ball anyway.
Ponds is great at point and will primarily play there. But you see at end of games teams are doing everything they can to keep ball out of his hands. Also simons majority of his assists come from him seeing over the top and using his height and vision to make passes. Not often does he get into lane and kick out to shooters. Need a guy to do that other than ponds And that is no slight to Simon. Hopefully Dixon can be that guy.
Again splitting hairs here but don't think Clark needs more looks than he gets and only other guy I trust shooting threes does so better off the bounce. If Dixon can knock down threes at a decent % that helps us more than if he can play some point.
BTW I think your boy will leave if he plays close to this over last 5-7 games or whatever. I think that would cost him money as if he plays next year on a good team, primarily plays the point and cleans up his FG% I think he goes at back-end of 1st round. I don't think he has enough time to get himself into 1st round this year.
Don’t you think maybe Ponds shoots better off the bounce because he doesn’t get good looks off of drive and kicks? Couldn’t it be possible your wrong about something?
Takes more talent to shoot off the dribble but there are guys who for whatever reason shoot better. Ponds stand still shot is still too herky jerky. He seems to square himself better off the bounce. Your comparison Van Excel also shot better off the bounce. So did Mobley. Maybe a lefty thing not sure. Though this was also true of Jamal Crawford.
Iverson, Marbury, Kenny Anderson from what I have heard Pearl Monroe. I guess it applies for guys with sick handles.
You've officially lost it. Ponds gets one set shot every 2-3 games. He's a great shooter. He could bet hitting 50% with Clark's attempts. Markus Howard has lost nearly 10% from his shooting % last year because his degree of difficulty has gone up. I said that would happen with him.
Ponds needs a ball handler to take the pressure off him and set him up for a few easy looks. Even Howard has Rousey.
As for Simon, he is very raw. He is a great passer, but he just can't handle like a second dribbling option should be able to. His athletic ability bails him out of a lot of ugly situations. He'd be better served with playing SF and some PF for 28-30 mpg but that is not an option this year.
Ponds is 6-1. He should be the point guard with Simon splitting it with him. Ponds is not a good stand still shooter. Shoots way better off the dribble. You are watching different guy and team.
What would take pressure off of Ponds is if they had another dependable scorer. Not a point guard.
Lol a week ago you didn’t think Ponds was a good shooter! Now he he’s a good shooter just not off the catch. Try believeing for a second that you don’t know everything!
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Definitely need another ball handler. Simon is really good passer but his handle is loose and he’s not a good free throw shooter. Need a guy to help close out games and break down defenses to set up our shooters, Ponds and Clark.
If he plays off the ball it hurts his draft status. And I like him with the ball because harder to deny him because will have to do it full court. Simon throws some bad passes and is not a good foul shooter but his handle is fine. And at end of games Ponds should have ball anyway.
Ponds is great at point and will primarily play there. But you see at end of games teams are doing everything they can to keep ball out of his hands. Also simons majority of his assists come from him seeing over the top and using his height and vision to make passes. Not often does he get into lane and kick out to shooters. Need a guy to do that other than ponds And that is no slight to Simon. Hopefully Dixon can be that guy.
Again splitting hairs here but don't think Clark needs more looks than he gets and only other guy I trust shooting threes does so better off the bounce. If Dixon can knock down threes at a decent % that helps us more than if he can play some point.
BTW I think your boy will leave if he plays close to this over last 5-7 games or whatever. I think that would cost him money as if he plays next year on a good team, primarily plays the point and cleans up his FG% I think he goes at back-end of 1st round. I don't think he has enough time to get himself into 1st round this year.
Don’t you think maybe Ponds shoots better off the bounce because he doesn’t get good looks off of drive and kicks? Couldn’t it be possible your wrong about something?
Takes more talent to shoot off the dribble but there are guys who for whatever reason shoot better. Ponds stand still shot is still too herky jerky. He seems to square himself better off the bounce. Your comparison Van Excel also shot better off the bounce. So did Mobley. Maybe a lefty thing not sure. Though this was also true of Jamal Crawford.
Iverson, Marbury, Kenny Anderson from what I have heard Pearl Monroe. I guess it applies for guys with sick handles.
You've officially lost it. Ponds gets one set shot every 2-3 games. He's a great shooter. He could bet hitting 50% with Clark's attempts. Markus Howard has lost nearly 10% from his shooting % last year because his degree of difficulty has gone up. I said that would happen with him.
Ponds needs a ball handler to take the pressure off him and set him up for a few easy looks. Even Howard has Rousey.
As for Simon, he is very raw. He is a great passer, but he just can't handle like a second dribbling option should be able to. His athletic ability bails him out of a lot of ugly situations. He'd be better served with playing SF and some PF for 28-30 mpg but that is not an option this year.
Ponds is 6-1. He should be the point guard with Simon splitting it with him. Ponds is not a good stand still shooter. Shoots way better off the dribble. You are watching different guy and team.
What would take pressure off of Ponds is if they had another dependable scorer. Not a point guard.
Lol a week ago you didn’t think Ponds was a good shooter! Now he he’s a good shooter just not off the catch. Try believeing for a second that you don’t know everything!
Pull all of my Ponds posts. I qualified everything by saying off the dribble his shot is fine. Generally if you are shooting off the dribble it is inside the three point line. He is not a good three point shooter because he is not a very good outside shooter. In the pros he would have to shoot all of his shots from the range he struggles with now. The last week he has been hitting some threes simply because he is a volume / streaky shooter and he is now making some. Was he better than 19%. I think so he has a nice touch but I don't think he will ever be a good outside shooter especially at next level.
AGAIN I like Ponds. Ponds is very good. I like watching Ponds play. As far as very good players just under the elite guys that I enjoyed watching he falls right behind Hatten for me which is huge praise from me. I am just not an insane person that is going to claim he is the next Curry. I can also say someone has a flaw w/o it being some kind of shot at him. He is also not tall. Now I am waiting for Marillac to tell me that he actually measured him and he is really 6-5. You and Marillac need to get a grip or see about a possible threesome with him. You guys like Ponds way more than I have ever liked any player. And I once got into a fist fight with my friend in HS over who would be a better pro Mark Jackson or Pearl.
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Everything you wrote besides Ponds being 6'1 was wrong. You've been wrong about Ponds for two years and now you're moving the goal posts again by saying he is a good shooter off the dribble. Nobody shoots better off the bounce than set. That's ridiculous. And what are you basing Ponds being a poor set shooter on?! I can remember one set shot in the last three games and he hit it. He hit two set shots a game last year. He MIGHT have 12 set shots all season. Stop the insanity. Ponds is a great shooter. His touch is just off the charts.
Scoring point guards need another ball handler to maximize their potential. Kemba had an NBA pick at point to help carry the load. Hardy had Boothe. You can't be the full-time PG and carry the scoring load without someone to do some of the heavy lifting by helping out running the show. Right now the team has found a way to survive with Simon giving Ponds a break with a little help from Bash and Trimble.
I actually think Simon has NBA potential at the four in a Draymond Green type role if he can put on 20 lbs and work on his jumper. I'm really impressed with his post defense and use of length. I'm surprised nobody talks about how good he's looked on bigs all year. He gets his hips right into them and doesn't budge an inch. Strong kid.
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Everything you wrote besides Ponds being 6'1 was wrong. You've been wrong about Ponds for two years and now you're moving the goal posts again by saying he is a good shooter off the dribble. Nobody shoots better off the bounce than set. That's ridiculous. And what are you basing Ponds being a poor set shooter on?! I can remember one set shot in the last three games and he hit it. He hit two set shots a game last year. He MIGHT have 12 set shots all season. Stop the insanity. Ponds is a great shooter. His touch is just off the charts.
Scoring point guards need another ball handler to maximize their potential. Kemba had an NBA pick at point to help carry the load. Hardy had Boothe. You can't be the full-time PG and carry the scoring load without someone to do some of the heavy lifting by helping out running the show. Right now the team has found a way to survive with Simon giving Ponds a break with a little help from Bash and Trimble.
I actually think Simon has NBA potential at the four in a Draymond Green type role if he can put on 20 lbs and work on his jumper. I'm really impressed with his post defense and use of length. I'm surprised nobody talks about how good he's looked on bigs all year. He gets his hips right into them and doesn't budge an inch. Strong kid.
A little help???
I would say Ponds and Simon basically split the point duties 50 /50. Trimble basically stands in a corner and waits for someone to pass him the ball so he can shoot a three. Not only do you have beer goggles for Ponds you have an irrational dislike of Simon. Ponds is a fantastic scorer who is putting on an Allen Iverson impersonation. Fun to watch. Not sure why you want him coming off picks and shooting threes.
Ponds is not a good three point shooter. It is a herky jerky set shot when his feet are set. Off the dribble shot is more compact and smoother. His % reflects that. Sorry.
BTW Hatten wasn't a great shooter either. And my all time favorite player Berry's jumper rivaled Simon's in ugly department.
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lol, 21, 5, 5. Leads BE in steals. Back to back BE and national player of the week. Before you said he was behind Hardy and Harrison. Keep changing it as it goes. You get pissed when we say Simon doesnt have a great handle. Like its some sort of insane attack on him and we are blind. Yet you defend yourself like crazy for saying ponds is not a good outside shooter. Check your best friend stat sheet on that one. 38% as a freshmen. See what hes shooting since BE play.
And I actually like you as a poster. Really, your funny. Picture you as Brad Garret. Youd be a lot more enjoyable if you ever admitted you were wrong.
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Lol 21, 5,5. Back to back national player of the week. Before he was behind hardy and Harrison. Keep changing it as it goes. You get pissed when we say Simon doesn’t have a great handle. Like it’s some sort of insanse attack on him and we are blind. Yet you defend yourself like crazy for saying Ponds is not a good outside shooter. Check your best friend stat book on that. 38% as a freshmen. See what he’s shootint in BE play.
IMO which stands for my opinion I would put his career if it ended after this year behind Harrison and Hardy. They made the tournament as the best player / number one option on the team. Hardy gets extra credit for making the tournament when coming off Norm years I did not think we would ever make one again. As far as fun players to watch that are just under the program's elite that I have watched he only falls behind Hatten FOR ME.
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Everything you wrote besides Ponds being 6'1 was wrong. You've been wrong about Ponds for two years and now you're moving the goal posts again by saying he is a good shooter off the dribble. Nobody shoots better off the bounce than set. That's ridiculous. And what are you basing Ponds being a poor set shooter on?! I can remember one set shot in the last three games and he hit it. He hit two set shots a game last year. He MIGHT have 12 set shots all season. Stop the insanity. Ponds is a great shooter. His touch is just off the charts.
Scoring point guards need another ball handler to maximize their potential. Kemba had an NBA pick at point to help carry the load. Hardy had Boothe. You can't be the full-time PG and carry the scoring load without someone to do some of the heavy lifting by helping out running the show. Right now the team has found a way to survive with Simon giving Ponds a break with a little help from Bash and Trimble.
I actually think Simon has NBA potential at the four in a Draymond Green type role if he can put on 20 lbs and work on his jumper. I'm really impressed with his post defense and use of length. I'm surprised nobody talks about how good he's looked on bigs all year. He gets his hips right into them and doesn't budge an inch. Strong kid.
Simon has NBA potential at the four? How do you come up with this stuff?
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lol, 21, 5, 5. Leads BE in steals. Back to back BE and national player of the week. Before you said he was behind Hardy and Harrison. Keep changing it as it goes. You get pissed when we say Simon doesnt have a great handle. Like its some sort of insane attack on him and we are blind. Yet you defend yourself like crazy for saying ponds is not a good outside shooter. Check your best friend stat sheet on that one. 38% as a freshmen. See what hes shooting since BE play.
And I actually like you as a poster. Really, your funny. Picture you as Brad Garret. Youd be a lot more enjoyable if you ever admitted you were wrong.
Used to be told Tom Cruise. Two separate girls told me that with witnesses in college.
Tom Cruise thing, I hit 423(Which was actual number but 425 sounds better and is the number I tell people since I am being honest here) as Junior in HS and I broke up Steve Karsay's no hitter in HS are what I told MRS WASJU I want on my tombstone.
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Lol 21, 5,5. Back to back national player of the week. Before he was behind hardy and Harrison. Keep changing it as it goes. You get pissed when we say Simon doesn’t have a great handle. Like it’s some sort of insanse attack on him and we are blind. Yet you defend yourself like crazy for saying Ponds is not a good outside shooter. Check your best friend stat book on that. 38% as a freshmen. See what he’s shootint in BE play.
IMO which stands for my opinion I would put his career if it ended after this year behind Harrison and Hardy. They made the tournament as the best player / number one option on the team. Hardy gets extra credit for making the tournament when coming off Norm years I did not think we would ever make one again. As far as fun players to watch that are just under the program's elite that I have watched he only falls behind Hatten FOR ME.
Sorry man, you have no issues telling other people their opinions are wrong.
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Everything you wrote besides Ponds being 6'1 was wrong. You've been wrong about Ponds for two years and now you're moving the goal posts again by saying he is a good shooter off the dribble. Nobody shoots better off the bounce than set. That's ridiculous. And what are you basing Ponds being a poor set shooter on?! I can remember one set shot in the last three games and he hit it. He hit two set shots a game last year. He MIGHT have 12 set shots all season. Stop the insanity. Ponds is a great shooter. His touch is just off the charts.
Scoring point guards need another ball handler to maximize their potential. Kemba had an NBA pick at point to help carry the load. Hardy had Boothe. You can't be the full-time PG and carry the scoring load without someone to do some of the heavy lifting by helping out running the show. Right now the team has found a way to survive with Simon giving Ponds a break with a little help from Bash and Trimble.
I actually think Simon has NBA potential at the four in a Draymond Green type role if he can put on 20 lbs and work on his jumper. I'm really impressed with his post defense and use of length. I'm surprised nobody talks about how good he's looked on bigs all year. He gets his hips right into them and doesn't budge an inch. Strong kid.
A little help???
I would say Ponds and Simon basically split the point duties 50 /50. Trimble basically stands in a corner and waits for someone to pass him the ball so he can shoot a three. Not only do you have beer goggles for Ponds you have an irrational dislike of Simon. Ponds is a fantastic scorer who is putting on an Allen Iverson impersonation. Fun to watch. Not sure why you want him coming off picks and shooting threes.
Ponds is not a good three point shooter. It is a herky jerky set shot when his feet are set. Off the dribble shot is more compact and smoother. His % reflects that. Sorry.
BTW Hatten wasn't a great shooter either. And my all time favorite player Berry's jumper rivaled Simon's in ugly department.
Hatten wasn't a good shooter, but Ponds is a great shooter. You're being as ridiculous as the Mets fans that wrote Harvey off last year for not coming back immediately from having his rib removed and his shoulder totally atrophied. Ponds' outside shot is arguably the best part of his game at the next level. Get my boy some set shots and you'll see 40%.
Simon does not split the point guards duties 50/50. He takes the ball up more now--which anyone can do -- and he will give Ponds a break every so often. Ponds is the one that makes it all happen. It's the Ponds show and Simon does just enough for us to survive. Simon is a SF that can pass very well. He just isn't coordinated and I don't know why you fight that tooth and nail. Look at his shot!!! He is so stiff and has no feel. He's rarely in control but he's
so damn athletic he can pull it off. You don't think it's crazy you how he picks up his dribble so far from the basket and gazelles his way in? He knows his limitations and I give him a ton of credit for that. Dom never did. That travel in the Nova game was crazy. He went like 20 feet without a dribble.
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lol, 21, 5, 5. Leads BE in steals. Back to back BE and national player of the week. Before you said he was behind Hardy and Harrison. Keep changing it as it goes. You get pissed when we say Simon doesnt have a great handle. Like its some sort of insane attack on him and we are blind. Yet you defend yourself like crazy for saying ponds is not a good outside shooter. Check your best friend stat sheet on that one. 38% as a freshmen. See what hes shooting since BE play.
And I actually like you as a poster. Really, your funny. Picture you as Brad Garret. Youd be a lot more enjoyable if you ever admitted you were wrong.
Used to be told Tom Cruise. Two separate girls told me that with witnesses in college.
Tom Cruise thing, I hit 423(Which was actual number but 425 sounds better and is the number I tell people since I am being honest here) as Junior in HS and I broke up Steve Karsay's no hitter in HS are what I told MRS WASJU I want on my tombstone.
Would much rather watch a game with brad
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Everything you wrote besides Ponds being 6'1 was wrong. You've been wrong about Ponds for two years and now you're moving the goal posts again by saying he is a good shooter off the dribble. Nobody shoots better off the bounce than set. That's ridiculous. And what are you basing Ponds being a poor set shooter on?! I can remember one set shot in the last three games and he hit it. He hit two set shots a game last year. He MIGHT have 12 set shots all season. Stop the insanity. Ponds is a great shooter. His touch is just off the charts.
Scoring point guards need another ball handler to maximize their potential. Kemba had an NBA pick at point to help carry the load. Hardy had Boothe. You can't be the full-time PG and carry the scoring load without someone to do some of the heavy lifting by helping out running the show. Right now the team has found a way to survive with Simon giving Ponds a break with a little help from Bash and Trimble.
I actually think Simon has NBA potential at the four in a Draymond Green type role if he can put on 20 lbs and work on his jumper. I'm really impressed with his post defense and use of length. I'm surprised nobody talks about how good he's looked on bigs all year. He gets his hips right into them and doesn't budge an inch. Strong kid.
Simon has NBA potential at the four? How do you come up with this stuff?
I got the same reactions when I said Ponds was a first round pick and now he's in mock drafts. Everyone wants to be a guard these days because of Durant and the Greek Freak. It's created a huge opportunity for kids that are willing to embrace playing the four or a 4/3 role. Simon is strong. He's far stronger than Christian Jones. And he is has a 7'3 wing span. He's also 215 lbs and can add more weight. He's able to switch and defend 4 positions. Green is an inch taller. He looked awesome on Bagley and Spellman and has looked great in one-on-one situations in the post. I called for Dom to play the 4 and 5 for three years. I think Simon has even more potential there with his strength.
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Everything you wrote besides Ponds being 6'1 was wrong. You've been wrong about Ponds for two years and now you're moving the goal posts again by saying he is a good shooter off the dribble. Nobody shoots better off the bounce than set. That's ridiculous. And what are you basing Ponds being a poor set shooter on?! I can remember one set shot in the last three games and he hit it. He hit two set shots a game last year. He MIGHT have 12 set shots all season. Stop the insanity. Ponds is a great shooter. His touch is just off the charts.
Scoring point guards need another ball handler to maximize their potential. Kemba had an NBA pick at point to help carry the load. Hardy had Boothe. You can't be the full-time PG and carry the scoring load without someone to do some of the heavy lifting by helping out running the show. Right now the team has found a way to survive with Simon giving Ponds a break with a little help from Bash and Trimble.
I actually think Simon has NBA potential at the four in a Draymond Green type role if he can put on 20 lbs and work on his jumper. I'm really impressed with his post defense and use of length. I'm surprised nobody talks about how good he's looked on bigs all year. He gets his hips right into them and doesn't budge an inch. Strong kid.
Simon has NBA potential at the four? How do you come up with this stuff?
I got the same reactions when I said Ponds was a first round pick and now he's in mock drafts. Everyone wants to be a guard these days because of Durant and the Greek Freak. It's created a huge opportunity for kids that are willing to embrace playing the four or a 4/3 role. Simon is strong. He's far stronger than Christian Jones. And he is has a 7'3 wing span. He's also 215 lbs and can add more weight. He's able to switch and defend 4 positions. Green is an inch taller. He looked awesome on Bagley and Spellman and has looked great in one-on-one situations in the post. I called for Dom to play the 4 and 5 for three years. I think Simon has even more potential there with his strength.
Show me one Mock draft with him in first round.
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lol, 21, 5, 5. Leads BE in steals. Back to back BE and national player of the week. Before you said he was behind Hardy and Harrison. Keep changing it as it goes. You get pissed when we say Simon doesnt have a great handle. Like its some sort of insane attack on him and we are blind. Yet you defend yourself like crazy for saying ponds is not a good outside shooter. Check your best friend stat sheet on that one. 38% as a freshmen. See what hes shooting since BE play.
And I actually like you as a poster. Really, your funny. Picture you as Brad Garret. Youd be a lot more enjoyable if you ever admitted you were wrong.
Used to be told Tom Cruise. Two separate girls told me that with witnesses in college.
Tom Cruise thing, I hit 423(Which was actual number but 425 sounds better and is the number I tell people since I am being honest here) as Junior in HS and I broke up Steve Karsay's no hitter in HS are what I told MRS WASJU I want on my tombstone.
Would much rather watch a game with brad
Yeah but a Few Good Men Cruise was a pretty cool guide. Liked Baseball and Yoo Hoo. And you wouldn't want to watch a game with Maverick?
Not really. If that hurts im sorry, you cant handle the truth.
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lol, 21, 5, 5. Leads BE in steals. Back to back BE and national player of the week. Before you said he was behind Hardy and Harrison. Keep changing it as it goes. You get pissed when we say Simon doesnt have a great handle. Like its some sort of insane attack on him and we are blind. Yet you defend yourself like crazy for saying ponds is not a good outside shooter. Check your best friend stat sheet on that one. 38% as a freshmen. See what hes shooting since BE play.
And I actually like you as a poster. Really, your funny. Picture you as Brad Garret. Youd be a lot more enjoyable if you ever admitted you were wrong.
Used to be told Tom Cruise. Two separate girls told me that with witnesses in college.
Tom Cruise thing, I hit 423(Which was actual number but 425 sounds better and is the number I tell people since I am being honest here) as Junior in HS and I broke up Steve Karsay's no hitter in HS are what I told MRS WASJU I want on my tombstone.
Would much rather watch a game with brad
Yeah but a Few Good Men Cruise was a pretty cool guide. Liked Baseball and Yoo Hoo. And you wouldn't want to watch a game with Maverick?
Not really. If that hurts im sorry, you cant handle the truth.
I would def rather hang out with Cruise. Way hotter chicks would be circling around him then Everyone loves Raymond's brother
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Lol 21, 5,5. Back to back national player of the week. Before he was behind hardy and Harrison. Keep changing it as it goes. You get pissed when we say Simon doesn’t have a great handle. Like it’s some sort of insanse attack on him and we are blind. Yet you defend yourself like crazy for saying Ponds is not a good outside shooter. Check your best friend stat book on that. 38% as a freshmen. See what he’s shootint in BE play.
IMO which stands for my opinion I would put his career if it ended after this year behind Harrison and Hardy. They made the tournament as the best player / number one option on the team. Hardy gets extra credit for making the tournament when coming off Norm years I did not think we would ever make one again. As far as fun players to watch that are just under the program's elite that I have watched he only falls behind Hatten FOR ME.
Sorry man, you have no issues telling other people their opinions are wrong.
People saying we should keep Norm because he was a good guy and Chris Mullin should quit are stupid opinions and should be mocked and ridiculed. You saying you like Ponds better than Hatten, Hardy and Harrison I get. My criteria is just different. Marrillac has gone insane with him. You are just straddling the line. lol
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Everything you wrote besides Ponds being 6'1 was wrong. You've been wrong about Ponds for two years and now you're moving the goal posts again by saying he is a good shooter off the dribble. Nobody shoots better off the bounce than set. That's ridiculous. And what are you basing Ponds being a poor set shooter on?! I can remember one set shot in the last three games and he hit it. He hit two set shots a game last year. He MIGHT have 12 set shots all season. Stop the insanity. Ponds is a great shooter. His touch is just off the charts.
Scoring point guards need another ball handler to maximize their potential. Kemba had an NBA pick at point to help carry the load. Hardy had Boothe. You can't be the full-time PG and carry the scoring load without someone to do some of the heavy lifting by helping out running the show. Right now the team has found a way to survive with Simon giving Ponds a break with a little help from Bash and Trimble.
I actually think Simon has NBA potential at the four in a Draymond Green type role if he can put on 20 lbs and work on his jumper. I'm really impressed with his post defense and use of length. I'm surprised nobody talks about how good he's looked on bigs all year. He gets his hips right into them and doesn't budge an inch. Strong kid.
Simon has NBA potential at the four? How do you come up with this stuff?
I got the same reactions when I said Ponds was a first round pick and now he's in mock drafts. Everyone wants to be a guard these days because of Durant and the Greek Freak. It's created a huge opportunity for kids that are willing to embrace playing the four or a 4/3 role. Simon is strong. He's far stronger than Christian Jones. And he is has a 7'3 wing span. He's also 215 lbs and can add more weight. He's able to switch and defend 4 positions. Green is an inch taller. He looked awesome on Bagley and Spellman and has looked great in one-on-one situations in the post. I called for Dom to play the 4 and 5 for three years. I think Simon has even more potential there with his strength.
Ponds probably isn't a first round pick. Not a crazy idea, but a stretch IMO.
Stronger than Christian Jones?! Where is he playing the 4 these days?
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Iceland apparently. https://www.mbl.is/sport/korfubolti/2018/01/28/christian_jones_i_keflavik/
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Everything you wrote besides Ponds being 6'1 was wrong. You've been wrong about Ponds for two years and now you're moving the goal posts again by saying he is a good shooter off the dribble. Nobody shoots better off the bounce than set. That's ridiculous. And what are you basing Ponds being a poor set shooter on?! I can remember one set shot in the last three games and he hit it. He hit two set shots a game last year. He MIGHT have 12 set shots all season. Stop the insanity. Ponds is a great shooter. His touch is just off the charts.
Scoring point guards need another ball handler to maximize their potential. Kemba had an NBA pick at point to help carry the load. Hardy had Boothe. You can't be the full-time PG and carry the scoring load without someone to do some of the heavy lifting by helping out running the show. Right now the team has found a way to survive with Simon giving Ponds a break with a little help from Bash and Trimble.
I actually think Simon has NBA potential at the four in a Draymond Green type role if he can put on 20 lbs and work on his jumper. I'm really impressed with his post defense and use of length. I'm surprised nobody talks about how good he's looked on bigs all year. He gets his hips right into them and doesn't budge an inch. Strong kid.
Simon has NBA potential at the four? How do you come up with this stuff?
I got the same reactions when I said Ponds was a first round pick and now he's in mock drafts. Everyone wants to be a guard these days because of Durant and the Greek Freak. It's created a huge opportunity for kids that are willing to embrace playing the four or a 4/3 role. Simon is strong. He's far stronger than Christian Jones. And he is has a 7'3 wing span. He's also 215 lbs and can add more weight. He's able to switch and defend 4 positions. Green is an inch taller. He looked awesome on Bagley and Spellman and has looked great in one-on-one situations in the post. I called for Dom to play the 4 and 5 for three years. I think Simon has even more potential there with his strength.
Ponds probably isn't a first round pick. Not a crazy idea, but a stretch IMO.
Stronger than Christian Jones?! Where is he playing the 4 these days?
Draymond Green measured in at 6'5 and change at the combine. 230 lbs with a wingspan 3 inches SHORTER than Simon. He's a decent FT and three point shooter...average. He plays because he embraces the role of PF first and foremost and does the dirty jobs like d up and set screens. Simon is 6'5, with the aforementioned reach advantage, and is already a very sturdy 215. He can easily be 230-235 by the end of his senior year.
Simon kills the defensive glass like few others in the country. With more focus and a more defined offensive role, he could hit double-digit rebounds per game. He d's up big men extremely well in the post. Nobody backs him down with his strong base. He has a future in the NBA as a 4/3 if he committed to it and could improve his shot. He could switch to cover anyone on the court and legitimately cover guards as well as block shots in the post and run in transition like a guard. He is more physically gifted than Green, but Green owned that role. There is no reason he can't get minutes in the NBA as a defensive wizard and glue guy if Green can be 1st team all league.
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Everything you wrote besides Ponds being 6'1 was wrong. You've been wrong about Ponds for two years and now you're moving the goal posts again by saying he is a good shooter off the dribble. Nobody shoots better off the bounce than set. That's ridiculous. And what are you basing Ponds being a poor set shooter on?! I can remember one set shot in the last three games and he hit it. He hit two set shots a game last year. He MIGHT have 12 set shots all season. Stop the insanity. Ponds is a great shooter. His touch is just off the charts.
Scoring point guards need another ball handler to maximize their potential. Kemba had an NBA pick at point to help carry the load. Hardy had Boothe. You can't be the full-time PG and carry the scoring load without someone to do some of the heavy lifting by helping out running the show. Right now the team has found a way to survive with Simon giving Ponds a break with a little help from Bash and Trimble.
I actually think Simon has NBA potential at the four in a Draymond Green type role if he can put on 20 lbs and work on his jumper. I'm really impressed with his post defense and use of length. I'm surprised nobody talks about how good he's looked on bigs all year. He gets his hips right into them and doesn't budge an inch. Strong kid.
Simon has NBA potential at the four? How do you come up with this stuff?
I got the same reactions when I said Ponds was a first round pick and now he's in mock drafts. Everyone wants to be a guard these days because of Durant and the Greek Freak. It's created a huge opportunity for kids that are willing to embrace playing the four or a 4/3 role. Simon is strong. He's far stronger than Christian Jones. And he is has a 7'3 wing span. He's also 215 lbs and can add more weight. He's able to switch and defend 4 positions. Green is an inch taller. He looked awesome on Bagley and Spellman and has looked great in one-on-one situations in the post. I called for Dom to play the 4 and 5 for three years. I think Simon has even more potential there with his strength.
Ponds probably isn't a first round pick. Not a crazy idea, but a stretch IMO.
Stronger than Christian Jones?! Where is he playing the 4 these days?
Draymond Green measured in at 6'5 and change at the combine. 230 lbs with a wingspan 3 inches SHORTER than Simon. He's a decent FT and three point shooter...average. He plays because he embraces the role of PF first and foremost and does the dirty jobs like d up and set screens. Simon is 6'5, with the aforementioned reach advantage, and is already a very sturdy 215. He can easily be 230-235 by the end of his senior year.
Simon kills the defensive glass like few others in the country. With more focus and a more defined offensive role, he could hit double-digit rebounds per game. He d's up big men extremely well in the post. Nobody backs him down with his strong base. He has a future in the NBA as a 4/3 if he committed to it and could improve his shot. He could switch to cover anyone on the court and legitimately cover guards as well as block shots in the post and run in transition like a guard. He is more physically gifted than Green, but Green owned that role. There is no reason he can't get minutes in the NBA as a defensive wizard and glue guy if Green can be 1st team all league.
You have now compared Ponds to Curry and Simon to Draymond Green. Now all you have to do is compare Clark and Ahmed to Durant and Thompson and we can win the Marillac imaginary NBA championship.
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Everything you wrote besides Ponds being 6'1 was wrong. You've been wrong about Ponds for two years and now you're moving the goal posts again by saying he is a good shooter off the dribble. Nobody shoots better off the bounce than set. That's ridiculous. And what are you basing Ponds being a poor set shooter on?! I can remember one set shot in the last three games and he hit it. He hit two set shots a game last year. He MIGHT have 12 set shots all season. Stop the insanity. Ponds is a great shooter. His touch is just off the charts.
Scoring point guards need another ball handler to maximize their potential. Kemba had an NBA pick at point to help carry the load. Hardy had Boothe. You can't be the full-time PG and carry the scoring load without someone to do some of the heavy lifting by helping out running the show. Right now the team has found a way to survive with Simon giving Ponds a break with a little help from Bash and Trimble.
I actually think Simon has NBA potential at the four in a Draymond Green type role if he can put on 20 lbs and work on his jumper. I'm really impressed with his post defense and use of length. I'm surprised nobody talks about how good he's looked on bigs all year. He gets his hips right into them and doesn't budge an inch. Strong kid.
Simon has NBA potential at the four? How do you come up with this stuff?
I got the same reactions when I said Ponds was a first round pick and now he's in mock drafts. Everyone wants to be a guard these days because of Durant and the Greek Freak. It's created a huge opportunity for kids that are willing to embrace playing the four or a 4/3 role. Simon is strong. He's far stronger than Christian Jones. And he is has a 7'3 wing span. He's also 215 lbs and can add more weight. He's able to switch and defend 4 positions. Green is an inch taller. He looked awesome on Bagley and Spellman and has looked great in one-on-one situations in the post. I called for Dom to play the 4 and 5 for three years. I think Simon has even more potential there with his strength.
Ponds probably isn't a first round pick. Not a crazy idea, but a stretch IMO.
Stronger than Christian Jones?! Where is he playing the 4 these days?
Draymond Green measured in at 6'5 and change at the combine. 230 lbs with a wingspan 3 inches SHORTER than Simon. He's a decent FT and three point shooter...average. He plays because he embraces the role of PF first and foremost and does the dirty jobs like d up and set screens. Simon is 6'5, with the aforementioned reach advantage, and is already a very sturdy 215. He can easily be 230-235 by the end of his senior year.
Simon kills the defensive glass like few others in the country. With more focus and a more defined offensive role, he could hit double-digit rebounds per game. He d's up big men extremely well in the post. Nobody backs him down with his strong base. He has a future in the NBA as a 4/3 if he committed to it and could improve his shot. He could switch to cover anyone on the court and legitimately cover guards as well as block shots in the post and run in transition like a guard. He is more physically gifted than Green, but Green owned that role. There is no reason he can't get minutes in the NBA as a defensive wizard and glue guy if Green can be 1st team all league.
I would think most agree Simon can get minutes in the NBA if he improves his shot. That's not exactly going out on a limb. On the other hand, attracting NBA interest as a 4 is hard to imagine.
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Everything you wrote besides Ponds being 6'1 was wrong. You've been wrong about Ponds for two years and now you're moving the goal posts again by saying he is a good shooter off the dribble. Nobody shoots better off the bounce than set. That's ridiculous. And what are you basing Ponds being a poor set shooter on?! I can remember one set shot in the last three games and he hit it. He hit two set shots a game last year. He MIGHT have 12 set shots all season. Stop the insanity. Ponds is a great shooter. His touch is just off the charts.
Scoring point guards need another ball handler to maximize their potential. Kemba had an NBA pick at point to help carry the load. Hardy had Boothe. You can't be the full-time PG and carry the scoring load without someone to do some of the heavy lifting by helping out running the show. Right now the team has found a way to survive with Simon giving Ponds a break with a little help from Bash and Trimble.
I actually think Simon has NBA potential at the four in a Draymond Green type role if he can put on 20 lbs and work on his jumper. I'm really impressed with his post defense and use of length. I'm surprised nobody talks about how good he's looked on bigs all year. He gets his hips right into them and doesn't budge an inch. Strong kid.
Simon has NBA potential at the four? How do you come up with this stuff?
I got the same reactions when I said Ponds was a first round pick and now he's in mock drafts. Everyone wants to be a guard these days because of Durant and the Greek Freak. It's created a huge opportunity for kids that are willing to embrace playing the four or a 4/3 role. Simon is strong. He's far stronger than Christian Jones. And he is has a 7'3 wing span. He's also 215 lbs and can add more weight. He's able to switch and defend 4 positions. Green is an inch taller. He looked awesome on Bagley and Spellman and has looked great in one-on-one situations in the post. I called for Dom to play the 4 and 5 for three years. I think Simon has even more potential there with his strength.
Ponds probably isn't a first round pick. Not a crazy idea, but a stretch IMO.
Stronger than Christian Jones?! Where is he playing the 4 these days?
Draymond Green measured in at 6'5 and change at the combine. 230 lbs with a wingspan 3 inches SHORTER than Simon. He's a decent FT and three point shooter...average. He plays because he embraces the role of PF first and foremost and does the dirty jobs like d up and set screens. Simon is 6'5, with the aforementioned reach advantage, and is already a very sturdy 215. He can easily be 230-235 by the end of his senior year.
Simon kills the defensive glass like few others in the country. With more focus and a more defined offensive role, he could hit double-digit rebounds per game. He d's up big men extremely well in the post. Nobody backs him down with his strong base. He has a future in the NBA as a 4/3 if he committed to it and could improve his shot. He could switch to cover anyone on the court and legitimately cover guards as well as block shots in the post and run in transition like a guard. He is more physically gifted than Green, but Green owned that role. There is no reason he can't get minutes in the NBA as a defensive wizard and glue guy if Green can be 1st team all league.
You have now compared Ponds to Curry and Simon to Draymond Green. Now all you have to do is compare Clark and Ahmed to Durant and Thompson and we can win the Marillac imaginary NBA championship.
I didn't compare Simon's current game to Green's. I simply used Green as an example of why it isn't absurd for a kid with his size to play the four at the next level in the new NBA.
As for Ponds and Curry, you'd have to be blind not to see the similarities as college sophs. I know this is where you bring up your truly absurd "Ponds can't shoot" nonsense that you developed when he was shooting 17% from three earlier in the year. Any non-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpsttlXye8&feature=related knows Ponds isn't getting good looks. Curry came off of multiple screens implemented by a world clas coach and e everyone on his team could dribble and pass. Ponds will be an NBA sharpshooter. There are also levels to it, and I doubt Ponds approaches Curry's game. I could see a Mo Williams type of impact.
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Sources tell ESPN as many as 3 dozen Division I basketball programs could face NCAA penalties once evidence of FBI probe is public. "It's not the mid-major programs who were trying to buy players to get to the top. It's the teams that are already there."
Maybe we do have a shot at NCAA tournament, 😂
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Sources tell ESPN as many as 3 dozen Division I basketball programs could face NCAA penalties once evidence of FBI probe is public. "It's not the mid-major programs who were trying to buy players to get to the top. It's the teams that are already there."
Maybe we do have a shot at NCAA tournament, 😂
where did you see that..?
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Sources tell ESPN as many as 3 dozen Division I basketball programs could face NCAA penalties once evidence of FBI probe is public. "It's not the mid-major programs who were trying to buy players to get to the top. It's the teams that are already there."
Maybe we do have a shot at NCAA tournament, 😂
where did you see that..?
Twitter. I’ll see if I can find the link. Story didn’t name any teams besides the ones already known.
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http://amp.si.com/college-basketball/2018/02/14/college-basketball-recruiting-scandal-fbi-probe-violations-punishments?__twitter_impression=true
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/report-fbi-probe-could-affect-top-coaches-players-and-almost-half-of-top-16-seeds/
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Who knows what recruits might decommit from these programs and will become available? Maybe we can get lucky and nab one.