6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2018 Class => Topic started by: paultzman on February 19, 2018, 10:15:20 AM
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https://twitter.com/rumblesbn/status/965598644534685696
Matt seeing him Friday I believe
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
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This is the kind of kid you take a chance in. Not some pansy from Europe.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
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Really like his intangibles and leadership qualities, hope the staff locks him up along with another local star Griffin soon. They then shoot for the moon and compete for Brown to close out the class.
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Really like his intangibles and leadership qualities, hope the staff locks him up along with another local star Griffin soon. They then shoot for the moon and compete for Brown to close out the class.
We have 6 guys eligible to return next year. Plus 3 sitting out. Plus 2 commits. As it stands we have two openings. Of course we are liable to have a departure. Would rather sign one of those two guys you mentioned and then grab a grad or sit out transfer.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
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I don't mind undersized because we need toughness. I would welcome him.
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This is the kind of kid you take a chance in. Not some pansy from Europe.
I agree, Take a flyer on this kid. He’s small for a big east pf, but maybe he grows a few inches and by soph year he becomes a rotational player.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
Undersized 4s are not unicorns in college basketball. How tall was anything Glover?
Jordan Murphy on Minnesota is 6’6 240 averaging 17 pts and nearly 12 boards.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
Undersized 4s are not unicorns in college basketball. How tall was anything Glover?
Jordan Murphy on Minnesota is 6’6 240 averaging 17 pts and nearly 12 boards.
Good undersized PF's are definitely unicorns. You just named one that hasn't played in 15 years or whatever. Furthermore, both those guys were high rated players coming out of HS. Earlington is not. Marginal BE level player at best. Staff should be setting sights higher.
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This is the kind of kid you take a chance in. Not some pansy from Europe.
I agree, Take a flyer on this kid. He’s small for a big east pf, but maybe he grows a few inches and by soph year he becomes a rotational player.
I never heard about this kid until an hour ago. He says he wants to play divison 1 Basketball. He is turning down high major football offers to bet on himself. At the very least he will battle in practice. If it doesn’t work out. He leaves. The kid rebounds and is tough. He is also local.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
Undersized 4s are not unicorns in college basketball. How tall was anything Glover?
Jordan Murphy on Minnesota is 6’6 240 averaging 17 pts and nearly 12 boards.
Good undersized PF's are definitely unicorns. You just named one that hasn't played in 15 years or whatever. Furthermore, both those guys were high rated players coming out of HS. Earlington is not. Marginal BE level player at best. Staff should be setting sights higher.
No one is projecting him to be all BE. Everyone would love a highly ranked kid.
How tall was Justin brownley? Christian jones? DJ Kennedy was 6’5 and excelled at the 4 spot.
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Hell Justin Simon is 6'5'' and isn't even a PF and held his own at times in the post against Wendell Carter a future NBA Player.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
Undersized 4s are not unicorns in college basketball. How tall was anything Glover?
Jordan Murphy on Minnesota is 6’6 240 averaging 17 pts and nearly 12 boards.
Good undersized PF's are definitely unicorns. You just named one that hasn't played in 15 years or whatever. Furthermore, both those guys were high rated players coming out of HS. Earlington is not. Marginal BE level player at best. Staff should be setting sights higher.
No one is projecting him to be all BE. Everyone would love a highly ranked kid.
How tall was Justin brownley? Christian jones? DJ Kennedy was 6’5 and excelled at the 4 spot.
Bad comparison. Don’t think he is anything like those 3.
is he anthony Glover good? Lamont Middleton good? If yes to either I am fine with it. If he is Dexter gray 2.0 we should pass.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
Undersized 4s are not unicorns in college basketball. How tall was anything Glover?
Jordan Murphy on Minnesota is 6’6 240 averaging 17 pts and nearly 12 boards.
Good undersized PF's are definitely unicorns. You just named one that hasn't played in 15 years or whatever. Furthermore, both those guys were high rated players coming out of HS. Earlington is not. Marginal BE level player at best. Staff should be setting sights higher.
No one is projecting him to be all BE. Everyone would love a highly ranked kid.
How tall was Justin brownley? Christian jones? DJ Kennedy was 6’5 and excelled at the 4 spot.
Bad comparison. Don’t think he is anything like those 3.
is he anthony Glover good? Lamont Middleton good? If yes to either I am fine with it. If he is Dexter gray 2.0 we should pass.
Missing the point.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
Undersized 4s are not unicorns in college basketball. How tall was anything Glover?
Jordan Murphy on Minnesota is 6’6 240 averaging 17 pts and nearly 12 boards.
Good undersized PF's are definitely unicorns. You just named one that hasn't played in 15 years or whatever. Furthermore, both those guys were high rated players coming out of HS. Earlington is not. Marginal BE level player at best. Staff should be setting sights higher.
No one is projecting him to be all BE. Everyone would love a highly ranked kid.
How tall was Justin brownley? Christian jones? DJ Kennedy was 6’5 and excelled at the 4 spot.
Bad comparison. Don’t think he is anything like those 3.
is he anthony Glover good? Lamont Middleton good? If yes to either I am fine with it. If he is Dexter gray 2.0 we should pass.
Missing the point.
No think you are. DJ was not a 4. He rebounded well for a wing. He could also guard a post player. He was listed as 6’6 Brownlee was also a wing . He was athletic. Close to 6’7 . Don’t really remember his defense. Christina looked the part.
The 3 guys I mentioned were all short PF’s. Probably before your time.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
Undersized 4s are not unicorns in college basketball. How tall was anything Glover?
Jordan Murphy on Minnesota is 6’6 240 averaging 17 pts and nearly 12 boards.
Good undersized PF's are definitely unicorns. You just named one that hasn't played in 15 years or whatever. Furthermore, both those guys were high rated players coming out of HS. Earlington is not. Marginal BE level player at best. Staff should be setting sights higher.
No one is projecting him to be all BE. Everyone would love a highly ranked kid.
How tall was Justin brownley? Christian jones? DJ Kennedy was 6’5 and excelled at the 4 spot.
Bad comparison. Don’t think he is anything like those 3.
is he anthony Glover good? Lamont Middleton good? If yes to either I am fine with it. If he is Dexter gray 2.0 we should pass.
Missing the point.
No think you are. DJ was not a 4. He rebounded well for a wing. He could also guard a post player. He was listed as 6’6 Brownlee was also a wing . He was athletic. Close to 6’7 . Don’t really remember his defense. Christina looked the part.
The 3 guys I mentioned were all short PF’s. Probably before your time.
Just read the thread you quoted. Talking about undersized 4’s. Brownlee started at the 5 senior year. DJ the 4. Jones averaged 8 and 6. You hated him I get it. We could use him.
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http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/kennedy_dj00.html
6-5 214
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Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question
Perry McDonald. Jerome Lane. Adrian Griffin. Roger McCready. Mike Gansey. They all killed us.
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Speaking of Jerome Lane:
College career
He joined the University of Pittsburgh in 1985–86 as a 170-pound freshman. By his junior season, the 6'6" forward was 60 pounds heavier. In 1986–87, his 13.5 rebounds per game made him the first player 6'6" or shorter to lead the country in rebounds per game (13.5) since Niagara's Alex Ellis in 1957–58. He left school after leading the Big East Conference in rebounding during the 1987–88 season.
On January 25, 1988 in college basketball game featuring Lane's Pittsburgh team playing Providence on a national television broadcast, Lane broke the glass backboard with a one-handed dunk with Sean Miller assisting on the play. Often referred to simply as "The Dunk", the play was famously called by color analyst Bill Raftery when he exclaimed "Send it in, Jerome!!"[3] The play is on ESPN's list of the "100 Greatest Sports Highlights"[4] and has been the subject of numerous articles even decades later.
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Really like this type of player but after seeing the video I can see why schools are taking their time in evaluating him. Yes he is a rugged well built young man put he plays like he is nailed to the floor. All the others mentioned in this thread could at least jump a little if not well. I can see his shot being stuffed inside a lot and for this reason i believe his basketball skill level is paramount. Just hope our staff makes the right decision whichever way they decide.
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Dejuan Blair was 6'6" playing 4 and 5. As has been stated, we have our fair share of tall and long guys for next year, if the staff likes him I see no problem with adding some beef.
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Dejuan Blair was 6'6" playing 4 and 5. As has been stated, we have our fair share of tall and long guys for next year, if the staff likes him I see no problem with adding some beef.
I was about to type Dejuan Blair. He was highly-rated coming out of HS, but he wasn't a leaper by any means. He had a good hoops IQ, and he used his body well (he was strong as heck) for positioning and garnering caroms.
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Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question
Perry McDonald. Jerome Lane. Adrian Griffin. Roger McCready. Mike Gansey. They all killed us.
Those guys were all higher rated than this kid. He's a mid major type guy. Mike Gansey? He was that shooter from WVU about 10 years ago right? Not even a valid comparison. This guy's a mid major PF.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
Undersized 4s are not unicorns in college basketball. How tall was anything Glover?
Jordan Murphy on Minnesota is 6’6 240 averaging 17 pts and nearly 12 boards.
Good undersized PF's are definitely unicorns. You just named one that hasn't played in 15 years or whatever. Furthermore, both those guys were high rated players coming out of HS. Earlington is not. Marginal BE level player at best. Staff should be setting sights higher.
No one is projecting him to be all BE. Everyone would love a highly ranked kid.
How tall was Justin brownley? Christian jones? DJ Kennedy was 6’5 and excelled at the 4 spot.
Bad comparison. Don’t think he is anything like those 3.
is he anthony Glover good? Lamont Middleton good? If yes to either I am fine with it. If he is Dexter gray 2.0 we should pass.
Dexter Gray would be a higher rated recruit coming out of HS than this kid. FWIW.
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Dejuan Blair was 6'6" playing 4 and 5. As has been stated, we have our fair share of tall and long guys for next year, if the staff likes him I see no problem with adding some beef.
I was about to type Dejuan Blair. He was highly-rated coming out of HS, but he wasn't a leaper by any means. He had a good hoops IQ, and he used his body well (he was strong as heck) for positioning and garnering caroms.
Blair was a beast. Don't care what heights and weights they give these kids Blair was much bigger and knew or had a nack for carving out space. Granted based only on a few clips but this kid doesn't look to at this time have those abilities or instincts.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
I'm sure he'll be listed at 6'6 in college -- not that it means anything, but it does help for comparisons. Anyone that stood next to Glover will tell you he was at most 6'4. Donya Abrams was only 6'5 and change as is Draymond Green.
Reach can mitigate the lack of height, and it looks like he has long arms. He also seems to have some legit ability to get his shoulder into a guy and take him off the bounce.
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Also, Antonio Gates has to be mentioned as well. He was 6'4 250 and averaged 20 and 8 on his way to an Elite 8 and honorable mention All-American. He started out playing both basketball and football at Michigan St. before he was forced to choose.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
I'm sure he'll be listed at 6'6 in college -- not that it means anything, but it does help for comparisons. Anyone that stood next to Glover will tell you he was at most 6'4. Donya Abrams was only 6'5 and change as is Draymond Green.
Reach can mitigate the lack of height, and it looks like he has long arms. He also seems to have some legit ability to get his shoulder into a guy and take him off the bounce.
Forget the size comparison. I'm talking about the overall player comparison. Those guys were all on a different level talent wise and ratings wise coming out of HS. Not sure why SJU is settling for this guy when there's still plenty of time to target another quality big for next season.
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Lazar hayward, jayVaughn Pinkston, Craig Smith, Marcus derrickson, Jeff Robinson, Ryan gomes, emmit holt, dom pointer, jae crowder. Nova lists paschell at 6’9 lol. If he has 4 inches on Simon I will jump off a bridge. Fordham listed him at 6’6.
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Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question
Perry McDonald. Jerome Lane. Adrian Griffin. Roger McCready. Mike Gansey. They all killed us.
Those guys were all higher rated than this kid.
So the question you were asking when you asked "how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE" was really how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE who lower rated than the guys who were higher rated than this guy. In the future phrase your questions better. Otherwise it will appear that you just didn't like the answer.
This guy's a mid major PF.
I never heard of him before last week. Since you seemingly have seen him play often as you followed his HS career I'll defer to your expertise. That said, he was an all state BB player as a junior and seems to be just the sort of player everyone wishes Marvin Clark were. A big body who's not afraid to mix it up inside. Still, as the last place team in the BE we can no doubt afford to wait for a more suitable recruit, the five stars will be breaking down the door any minute now.
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They will primarily target a grad transfer big & hopefully will have better results than last year. Adding Earlington, who Davidson is also pursuing, is no risk. He’ll either be a nice role player or not. If it does not work out so be it.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
I'm sure he'll be listed at 6'6 in college -- not that it means anything, but it does help for comparisons. Anyone that stood next to Glover will tell you he was at most 6'4. Donya Abrams was only 6'5 and change as is Draymond Green.
Reach can mitigate the lack of height, and it looks like he has long arms. He also seems to have some legit ability to get his shoulder into a guy and take him off the bounce.
Forget the size comparison. I'm talking about the overall player comparison. Those guys were all on a different level talent wise and ratings wise coming out of HS. Not sure why SJU is settling for this guy when there's still plenty of time to target another quality big for next season.
Antonio Gates went to Michigan St. on a football scholarship and then he played basketball at Kent St., which isn't exactly a powerhouse. These kinds of kids are hard to evaluate. They either can't figure out a way to mitigate the size differential or they do and just physically dominate basketball players below the rim with their physicality. I say he's worth it on this team. We need someone to throw people around and go after offensive rebounds.
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Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question
Perry McDonald. Jerome Lane. Adrian Griffin. Roger McCready. Mike Gansey. They all killed us.
Those guys were all higher rated than this kid.
So the question you were asking when you asked "how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE" was really how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE who lower rated than the guys who were higher rated than this guy. In the future phrase your questions better. Otherwise it will appear that you just didn't like the answer.
This guy's a mid major PF.
I never heard of him before last week. Since you seemingly have seen him play often as you followed his HS career I'll defer to your expertise. That said, he was an all state BB player as a junior and seems to be just the sort of player everyone wishes Marvin Clark were. A big body who's not afraid to mix it up inside. Still, as the last place team in the BE we can no doubt afford to wait for a more suitable recruit, the five stars will be breaking down the door any minute now.
All I'm saying is we still have time to be recruiting all options so hopefully there's other PF's on the staff's radar. I do like Earlington's toughness so I'll give him that.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
I'm sure he'll be listed at 6'6 in college -- not that it means anything, but it does help for comparisons. Anyone that stood next to Glover will tell you he was at most 6'4. Donya Abrams was only 6'5 and change as is Draymond Green.
Reach can mitigate the lack of height, and it looks like he has long arms. He also seems to have some legit ability to get his shoulder into a guy and take him off the bounce.
Forget the size comparison. I'm talking about the overall player comparison. Those guys were all on a different level talent wise and ratings wise coming out of HS. Not sure why SJU is settling for this guy when there's still plenty of time to target another quality big for next season.
Antonio Gates went to Michigan St. on a football scholarship and then he played basketball at Kent St., which isn't exactly a powerhouse. These kinds of kids are hard to evaluate. They either can't figure out a way to mitigate the size differential or they do and just physically dominate basketball players below the rim with their physicality. I say he's worth it on this team. We need someone to throw people around and go after offensive rebounds.
If he can do that for us then I'm ok with it.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
Undersized 4s are not unicorns in college basketball. How tall was anything Glover?
Jordan Murphy on Minnesota is 6’6 240 averaging 17 pts and nearly 12 boards.
Good undersized PF's are definitely unicorns. You just named one that hasn't played in 15 years or whatever. Furthermore, both those guys were high rated players coming out of HS. Earlington is not. Marginal BE level player at best. Staff should be setting sights higher.
No one is projecting him to be all BE. Everyone would love a highly ranked kid.
How tall was Justin brownley? Christian jones? DJ Kennedy was 6’5 and excelled at the 4 spot.
Bad comparison. Don’t think he is anything like those 3.
is he anthony Glover good? Lamont Middleton good? If yes to either I am fine with it. If he is Dexter gray 2.0 we should pass.
Missing the point.
No think you are. DJ was not a 4. He rebounded well for a wing. He could also guard a post player. He was listed as 6’6 Brownlee was also a wing . He was athletic. Close to 6’7 . Don’t really remember his defense. Christina looked the part.
The 3 guys I mentioned were all short PF’s. Probably before your time.
Just read the thread you quoted. Talking about undersized 4’s. Brownlee started at the 5 senior year. DJ the 4. Jones averaged 8 and 6. You hated him I get it. We could use him.
DJ Kennedy was not a PF. Brownlee was not a center. That team also had Burrell, Evans, and center forgot his name (African name I think). What you seem to forget is polee started. He only played a few minutes. Burrell and Owens were inside players on that team, and brownlee guarded post guys at times.
Jones- anyone who plays minutes- can accumulate stats. If he he got 8 and 6 how many did his guy get? Please explain one game that he played well and we won? He was a 4 year player (red shirted) did yakwe scare him off?
This comparison again has nothing to do with this kid. He is an short HUSKY PF. Even though DJ is taller they play different positions. Tyrone grant would have been another guy to compare him to, not jones or brownlee.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
Undersized 4s are not unicorns in college basketball. How tall was anything Glover?
Jordan Murphy on Minnesota is 6’6 240 averaging 17 pts and nearly 12 boards.
Good undersized PF's are definitely unicorns. You just named one that hasn't played in 15 years or whatever. Furthermore, both those guys were high rated players coming out of HS. Earlington is not. Marginal BE level player at best. Staff should be setting sights higher.
No one is projecting him to be all BE. Everyone would love a highly ranked kid.
How tall was Justin brownley? Christian jones? DJ Kennedy was 6’5 and excelled at the 4 spot.
Bad comparison. Don’t think he is anything like those 3.
is he anthony Glover good? Lamont Middleton good? If yes to either I am fine with it. If he is Dexter gray 2.0 we should pass.
Missing the point.
No think you are. DJ was not a 4. He rebounded well for a wing. He could also guard a post player. He was listed as 6’6 Brownlee was also a wing . He was athletic. Close to 6’7 . Don’t really remember his defense. Christina looked the part.
The 3 guys I mentioned were all short PF’s. Probably before your time.
Just read the thread you quoted. Talking about undersized 4’s. Brownlee started at the 5 senior year. DJ the 4. Jones averaged 8 and 6. You hated him I get it. We could use him.
DJ Kennedy was not a PF. Brownlee was not a center. That team also had Burrell, Evans, and center forgot his name (African name I think). What you seem to forget is polee started. He only played a few minutes. Burrell and Owens were inside players on that team, and brownlee guarded post guys at times.
Jones- anyone who plays minutes- can accumulate stats. If he he got 8 and 6 how many did his guy get? Please explain one game that he played well and we won? He was a 4 year player (red shirted) did yakwe scare him off?
This comparison again has nothing to do with this kid. He is an short HUSKY PF. Even though DJ is taller they play different positions. Tyrone grant would have been another guy to compare him to, not jones or brownlee.
Just please read what you’re responding to tony. The conversation was about undersized 4s. And absolutely DJ Kennedy and brownlee played a shit ton of minutes at the 4.
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This kid has offers from penn. state, Michigan state and Georgia to play strong side defensive end. He must be some kind of athlete.
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All I'm saying is we still have time to be recruiting all options
Thought provoking statement that should prove controversial. Hopefully some energetic discussion follows.
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Kid was getting a lot of big offers for football but he wants to play hoops in college. He's a 6'5 PF. Nice kid but not a BE level PF at all. We need a real big. Pass.
Sure, Big time talent would be nice. Maybe not an option. We have plenty of length, having a guy who can win an arm wrestling match could come in handy. Maybe he develops and helps us down the road.
Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question. He's a really good HS player and these are some of the best Bosco teams in their bball history over his last few years. But he's a mid major college player. I just don't want to see the staff using a really precious scholly on an undersized PF who is solid but not much more.
Undersized 4s are not unicorns in college basketball. How tall was anything Glover?
Jordan Murphy on Minnesota is 6’6 240 averaging 17 pts and nearly 12 boards.
Good undersized PF's are definitely unicorns. You just named one that hasn't played in 15 years or whatever. Furthermore, both those guys were high rated players coming out of HS. Earlington is not. Marginal BE level player at best. Staff should be setting sights higher.
No one is projecting him to be all BE. Everyone would love a highly ranked kid.
How tall was Justin brownley? Christian jones? DJ Kennedy was 6’5 and excelled at the 4 spot.
Bad comparison. Don’t think he is anything like those 3.
is he anthony Glover good? Lamont Middleton good? If yes to either I am fine with it. If he is Dexter gray 2.0 we should pass.
Missing the point.
No think you are. DJ was not a 4. He rebounded well for a wing. He could also guard a post player. He was listed as 6’6 Brownlee was also a wing . He was athletic. Close to 6’7 . Don’t really remember his defense. Christina looked the part.
The 3 guys I mentioned were all short PF’s. Probably before your time.
Just read the thread you quoted. Talking about undersized 4’s. Brownlee started at the 5 senior year. DJ the 4. Jones averaged 8 and 6. You hated him I get it. We could use him.
DJ Kennedy was not a PF. Brownlee was not a center. That team also had Burrell, Evans, and center forgot his name (African name I think). What you seem to forget is polee started. He only played a few minutes. Burrell and Owens were inside players on that team, and brownlee guarded post guys at times.
Jones- anyone who plays minutes- can accumulate stats. If he he got 8 and 6 how many did his guy get? Please explain one game that he played well and we won? He was a 4 year player (red shirted) did yakwe scare him off?
This comparison again has nothing to do with this kid. He is an short HUSKY PF. Even though DJ is taller they play different positions. Tyrone grant would have been another guy to compare him to, not jones or brownlee.
Wow a Dele Coker Reference I believe!
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All I'm saying is we still have time to be recruiting all options
Thought provoking statement that should prove controversial. Hopefully some energetic discussion follows.
Hey Foad I know this is off topic but since you like to bring up free throw disparities was wondering if you noticed in Kansas's home win over W Virginia Saturday that KU was awarded 35 FTs to UWV 2. Huggy Bear was all over this stat post game.
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All I'm saying is we still have time to be recruiting all options
Thought provoking statement that should prove controversial. Hopefully some energetic discussion follows.
Hey Foad I know this is off topic but since you like to bring up free throw disparities was wondering if you noticed in Kansas's home win over W Virginia Saturday that KU was awarded 35 FTs to UWV 2. Huggy Bear was all over this stat post game.
I didn't even know WV played Kansas or even was in the Big 12. In an odd coincidence though I just showed missus fun a video of Billy Hahn pantomiming smoking a joint on the WV bench. Never gets old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK4VppolDtw
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Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question
Perry McDonald. Jerome Lane. Adrian Griffin. Roger McCready. Mike Gansey. They all killed us.
What was the name of the Pitt kid who badly beat up the Pukon 7 foot center. Oh yeah 6'6 Blair.
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Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question
Perry McDonald. Jerome Lane. Adrian Griffin. Roger McCready. Mike Gansey. They all killed us.
What was the name of the Pitt kid who badly beat up the Pukon 7 foot center. Oh yeah 6'6 Blair.
Anthony Glover kicked jake voshcols ass. Blair was also a beast. My favorite non St. John’s player. He was taller then 6’6
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Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question
Perry McDonald. Jerome Lane. Adrian Griffin. Roger McCready. Mike Gansey. They all killed us.
What was the name of the Pitt kid who badly beat up the Pukon 7 foot center. Oh yeah 6'6 Blair.
Anthony Glover kicked jake voshcols ass. Blair was also a beast. My favorite non St. John’s player. He was taller then 6’6
Yup.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.draftexpress.com/amp/article/Analyzing-the-NBA-Combine-Measurements-3237/
“-DeJuan Blair's height of 6'5.25 without shoes may cause some teams to raise an eyebrow”
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All I'm saying is we still have time to be recruiting all options
Thought provoking statement that should prove controversial. Hopefully some energetic discussion follows.
Hey Foad I know this is off topic but since you like to bring up free throw disparities was wondering if you noticed in Kansas's home win over W Virginia Saturday that KU was awarded 35 FTs to UWV 2. Huggy Bear was all over this stat post game.
I didn't even know WV played Kansas or even was in the Big 12. In an odd coincidence though I just showed missus fun a video of Billy Hahn pantomiming smoking a joint on the WV bench. Never gets old.
LOL btw meant to ask you how you spent National Anti-Plagiarism Day yesterday? I had never heard of it until yesterday.
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LOL btw meant to ask you how you spent National Anti-Plagiarism Day yesterday? I had never heard of it until yesterday.
I wrote a poem called "The Raven." It's a little long but it's quite good.
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Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question
Perry McDonald. Jerome Lane. Adrian Griffin. Roger McCready. Mike Gansey. They all killed us.
What was the name of the Pitt kid who badly beat up the Pukon 7 foot center. Oh yeah 6'6 Blair.
Anthony Glover kicked jake voshcols ass. Blair was also a beast. My favorite non St. John’s player. He was taller then 6’6
Yup.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.draftexpress.com/amp/article/Analyzing-the-NBA-Combine-Measurements-3237/
“-DeJuan Blair's height of 6'5.25 without shoes may cause some teams to raise an eyebrow”
I never measured him. He was listed at 6’9 if I remember correctly.
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Possibly but how many 6'5 PF's have excelled in the BE? Serious question
Perry McDonald. Jerome Lane. Adrian Griffin. Roger McCready. Mike Gansey. They all killed us.
What was the name of the Pitt kid who badly beat up the Pukon 7 foot center. Oh yeah 6'6 Blair.
Anthony Glover kicked jake voshcols ass. Blair was also a beast. My favorite non St. John’s player. He was taller then 6’6
Yup.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.draftexpress.com/amp/article/Analyzing-the-NBA-Combine-Measurements-3237/
“-DeJuan Blair's height of 6'5.25 without shoes may cause some teams to raise an eyebrow”
I never measured him. He was listed at 6’9 if I remember correctly.
You don't.
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Quote from ESPN story a few years back:
"This fudging at the NBA predraft camps wasn't too bad this year, although some truth-stretching did occur. DeJuan Blair, who Pittsburgh always listed as 6-7, [checked] in at 6-5 1/4 - 6-6 1/2 with shoes."
The same story quotes Charles Barkley saying that he is also 6'6" but has been measured between 6'4" and 6-6, despite his assumed height of 6'8"
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DeJaun Blair was a McD AA. Stop with the horrible comparisons because there are none outside of height between Blair and Glover vs. a marginal prospect like Earlington.
I still think SJU should be finding a better big body than this kid. He may be a 2 star rated player, if that.
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DeJaun Blair was a McD AA. Stop with the horrible comparisons because there are none outside of height between Blair and Glover vs. a marginal prospect like Earlington.
You brought up his height. Name a player whose been successful in the BE at that size you said. And when posters respond with a bunch of names your response is: not those guys, other guys who were less successful. Based upon those criteria you've won the argument: no players who were not as good as players who were good were as successful as players who were not as successful or good. Excellent job.
I still think SJU should be finding a better big body than this kid. He may be a 2 star rated player, if that.
I think SJU should be recruiting the best player available, Say, what about this guy, he was an NJ all state first team player.
"First team: Marcellus Earlington, Don Bosco Prep, Jr., 6-4, 260 lbs, forward
Earlington might be one of New Jersey’s top football prospects, but this winter, he proved he can shine on more than just the gridiron. He keyed Bosco’s run to the Tournament of Champions final, picking up a Non-Public A title along the way. Earlington averaged 16.3 points per game as he established himself as one of the most versatile players in the state."
Also on the first team were Jahvon Quinerly, a Villanova recruit, and Nick Richards, Kentucky ("Richards played in the 2017 McDonald's All-American Boys Game,[5] pouring in two points, grabbing two rebounds and tallying two blocked shots in 14 minutes of action." Wikipedia is funny.)
Evidently there's quite a drop off in NJ after those two guys. A couple of the most coveted five star recruits in the country and then a bunch of two star players, if that.
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DeJaun Blair was a McD AA. Stop with the horrible comparisons because there are none outside of height between Blair and Glover vs. a marginal prospect like Earlington.
You brought up his height. Name a player whose been successful in the BE at that size you said. And when posters respond with a bunch of names your response is: not those guys, other guys who were less successful. Based upon those criteria you've won the argument: no players who were not as good as players who were good were as successful as players who were not as successful or good. Excellent job.
I still think SJU should be finding a better big body than this kid. He may be a 2 star rated player, if that.
I think SJU should be recruiting the best player available, Say, what about this guy, he was an NJ all state first team player.
"First team: Marcellus Earlington, Don Bosco Prep, Jr., 6-4, 260 lbs, forward
Earlington might be one of New Jersey’s top football prospects, but this winter, he proved he can shine on more than just the gridiron. He keyed Bosco’s run to the Tournament of Champions final, picking up a Non-Public A title along the way. Earlington averaged 16.3 points per game as he established himself as one of the most versatile players in the state."
Also on the first team were Jahvon Quinerly, a Villanova recruit, and Nick Richards, Kentucky ("Richards played in the 2017 McDonald's All-American Boys Game,[5] pouring in two points, grabbing two rebounds and tallying two blocked shots in 14 minutes of action." Wikipedia is funny.)
Evidently there's quite a drop off in NJ after those two guys. A couple of the most coveted five star recruits in the country and then a bunch of two star players, if that.
You tried to compare Mike Gansey, a lanky 2 guard, to Earlington when talking about undersized PF's in this same thread. It's hard to take you seriously after that comment. I tried to let it slide though.
Furthermore, you should look at Earlington's basketball rankings since he would be coming to SJU for hoops and not football, unless you know something the rest of us don't.
My opinion of him being a stretch for SJU to recruit won't really change. The only upside I can see from him is as a reserve banger. Sure we need that but I just think we need to keep on looking for better options.
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You tried to compare Mike Gansey, a lanky 2 guard, to Earlington when talking about undersized PF's in this same thread.
In the first place stupid, I compared a forward to a forward.
(http://theweasels.com/gansey.JPG)
See the F stupid? That stand for forward. In the second place I mentioned half a dozen undersized forwards who've been successful in the Big East and half a dozen other people mentioned half a dozen other undersized forwards who've been successful in the BE all in response to your question 'name an undersized forward who's been successful in the BE." Evidently you don't like the answer to your stupid question. Remedy: ask a different stupid question. Hint: try one that doesn't demonstrate how little you know about basketball.
Furthermore, you should look at Earlington's basketball rankings since he would be coming to SJU for hoops and not football, unless you know something the rest of us don't.
Yes stupid, I just cited an article noting that DE was a first team all state basketball player. I'll cite it again, because you're stupid.
http://www.nj.com/hssn-mms/2017/03/njcom_boys_basketball_all-stat.html
See stupid? It says right there, boys, basketball, all state. Which word didn't you understand, I'm guessing basketball, it has four three syllables.
My opinion of him being a stretch for SJU to recruit won't really change. .
Exactly stupid. Despite facts showing that you have no idea what you're talking about, your opinion won't change.
I just think we need to keep on looking for better options.
Oh okay golly, why didn't you say that in the first place Tesla. So you think that the team should recruit whichever players are available who are better than the other players who are available and that the players who are worse should not be recruited in favor of players who are better. Sorry I called you stupid half a dozen times, that's fu
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You tried to compare Mike Gansey, a lanky 2 guard, to Earlington when talking about undersized PF's in this same thread.
In the first place stupid, I compared a forward to a forward.
(http://theweasels.com/gansey.JPG)
See the F stupid? That stand for forward. In the second place I mentioned half a dozen undersized forwards who've been successful in the Big East and half a dozen other people mentioned half a dozen other undersized forwards who've been successful in the BE all in response to your question 'name an undersized forward who's been successful in the BE." Evidently you don't like the answer to your stupid question. Remedy: ask a different stupid question. Hint: try one that doesn't demonstrate how little you know about basketball.
Furthermore, you should look at Earlington's basketball rankings since he would be coming to SJU for hoops and not football, unless you know something the rest of us don't.
Yes stupid, I just cited an article noting that DE was a first team all state basketball player. I'll cite it again, because you're stupid.
http://www.nj.com/hssn-mms/2017/03/njcom_boys_basketball_all-stat.html
See stupid? It says right there, boys, basketball, all state. Which word didn't you understand, I'm guessing basketball, it has four three syllables.
My opinion of him being a stretch for SJU to recruit won't really change. .
Exactly stupid. Despite facts showing that you have no idea what you're talking about, your opinion won't change.
I just think we need to keep on looking for better options.
Oh okay golly, why didn't you say that in the first place Tesla. So you think that the team should recruit whichever players are available who are better than the other players who are available and that the players who are worse should not be recruited in favor of players who are better. Sorry I called you stupid half a dozen times, that's fu
Lol And a horrible comparison at that. Gansey was never a PF, ever. So you're wrong and stupid.
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You tried to compare Mike Gansey, a lanky 2 guard, to Earlington when talking about undersized PF's in this same thread.
In the first place stupid, I compared a forward to a forward.
(http://theweasels.com/gansey.JPG)
See the F stupid? That stand for forward. In the second place I mentioned half a dozen undersized forwards who've been successful in the Big East and half a dozen other people mentioned half a dozen other undersized forwards who've been successful in the BE all in response to your question 'name an undersized forward who's been successful in the BE." Evidently you don't like the answer to your stupid question. Remedy: ask a different stupid question. Hint: try one that doesn't demonstrate how little you know about basketball.
Furthermore, you should look at Earlington's basketball rankings since he would be coming to SJU for hoops and not football, unless you know something the rest of us don't.
Yes stupid, I just cited an article noting that DE was a first team all state basketball player. I'll cite it again, because you're stupid.
http://www.nj.com/hssn-mms/2017/03/njcom_boys_basketball_all-stat.html
See stupid? It says right there, boys, basketball, all state. Which word didn't you understand, I'm guessing basketball, it has four three syllables.
My opinion of him being a stretch for SJU to recruit won't really change. .
Exactly stupid. Despite facts showing that you have no idea what you're talking about, your opinion won't change.
I just think we need to keep on looking for better options.
Oh okay golly, why didn't you say that in the first place Tesla. So you think that the team should recruit whichever players are available who are better than the other players who are available and that the players who are worse should not be recruited in favor of players who are better. Sorry I called you stupid half a dozen times, that's fu
Lol And a horrible comparison at that. Gansey was never a PF, ever. So you're wrong and stupid.
In fairness to Foad, Gansey might have been a power forward in high school on occasion.
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DeJaun Blair was a McD AA. Stop with the horrible comparisons because there are none outside of height between Blair and Glover vs. a marginal prospect like Earlington.
You brought up his height. Name a player whose been successful in the BE at that size you said. And when posters respond with a bunch of names your response is: not those guys, other guys who were less successful. Based upon those criteria you've won the argument: no players who were not as good as players who were good were as successful as players who were not as successful or good. Excellent job.
I still think SJU should be finding a better big body than this kid. He may be a 2 star rated player, if that.
I think SJU should be recruiting the best player available, Say, what about this guy, he was an NJ all state first team player.
The staff should recruit the best players they can land. That's why they're recruiting this kid.
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You tried to compare Mike Gansey, a lanky 2 guard, to Earlington when talking about undersized PF's in this same thread.
In the first place stupid, I compared a forward to a forward.
(http://theweasels.com/gansey.JPG)
See the F stupid? That stand for forward. In the second place I mentioned half a dozen undersized forwards who've been successful in the Big East and half a dozen other people mentioned half a dozen other undersized forwards who've been successful in the BE all in response to your question 'name an undersized forward who's been successful in the BE." Evidently you don't like the answer to your stupid question. Remedy: ask a different stupid question. Hint: try one that doesn't demonstrate how little you know about basketball.
Furthermore, you should look at Earlington's basketball rankings since he would be coming to SJU for hoops and not football, unless you know something the rest of us don't.
Yes stupid, I just cited an article noting that DE was a first team all state basketball player. I'll cite it again, because you're stupid.
http://www.nj.com/hssn-mms/2017/03/njcom_boys_basketball_all-stat.html
See stupid? It says right there, boys, basketball, all state. Which word didn't you understand, I'm guessing basketball, it has four three syllables.
My opinion of him being a stretch for SJU to recruit won't really change. .
Exactly stupid. Despite facts showing that you have no idea what you're talking about, your opinion won't change.
I just think we need to keep on looking for better options.
Oh okay golly, why didn't you say that in the first place Tesla. So you think that the team should recruit whichever players are available who are better than the other players who are available and that the players who are worse should not be recruited in favor of players who are better. Sorry I called you stupid half a dozen times, that's fu
Lol And a horrible comparison at that. Gansey was never a PF, ever. So you're wrong and stupid.
In fairness to Foad, Gansey might have been a power forward in high school on occasion.
Lol Compared to little Foad in HS, I'm sure anyone looked like a hulking PF.
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Can he possibly play as a SF? Combo F?
Don’t think he was really scouted for basketball rankings as most thought he was going to play football.
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Can he possibly play as a SF? Combo F?
Don’t think he was really scouted for basketball rankings as most thought he was going to play football.
I hope not. We don’t need another post player thinking he is a gunner.
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Can he possibly play as a SF? Combo F?
Don’t think he was really scouted for basketball rankings as most thought he was going to play football.
I hope not. We don’t need another post player thinking he is a gunner.
To be fair, that's the nature of basketball these days. And if you're referring to Clark, his gunning won the last game and has factored in to just about every game in the win streak.
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Can he possibly play as a SF? Combo F?
Don’t think he was really scouted for basketball rankings as most thought he was going to play football.
I hope not. We don’t need another post player thinking he is a gunner.
To be fair, that's the nature of basketball these days. And if you're referring to Clark, his gunning won the last game and has factored in to just about every game in the win streak.
Clarke is a better shooter then I thought . Don’t think he is as good as most of you think. Ownes cant get a rebound If he is 20 feet from the basket. Even if Owens hits 3/10 how many easy baskets does his missed turn into for the other team.
Basketball may be changing. When bad players take bad shots teams still lose. Big players taking long shots usually isn’t a recipe for success.
Clarke- I think he taking better shots. He is rebounding. Playing defense. And shooting from the outside. Fine with that, he kind thought he was a gunner early in the year.
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Can he possibly play as a SF? Combo F?
Don’t think he was really scouted for basketball rankings as most thought he was going to play football.
I hope not. We don’t need another post player thinking he is a gunner.
To be fair, that's the nature of basketball these days. And if you're referring to Clark, his gunning won the last game and has factored in to just about every game in the win streak.
Clarke is a better shooter then I thought . Don’t think he is as good as most of you think. Ownes cant get a rebound If he is 20 feet from the basket. Even if Owens hits 3/10 how many easy baskets does his missed turn into for the other team.
Basketball may be changing. When bad players take bad shots teams still lose. Big players taking long shots usually isn’t a recipe for success.
Clarke- I think he taking better shots. He is rebounding. Playing defense. And shooting from the outside. Fine with that, he kind thought he was a gunner early in the year.
First of all, its Clark, not Clarke. Secondly, I don't know why anybody who has ever watched him play could conclude he is anything close to a "post player". He's not now and he hever has been, never will be. He's a 3 that is being forced to play the 4 this year because of the lack of size on the team and the fact that he's heavier and not as athletic as a typical 3 in today's college basketball.
Clark is a gunner and should be. He's shooting 43% from 3 on 120 attempts. That's no accident. He should stay as far away from the low post as possible on offense.
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Can he possibly play as a SF? Combo F?
Don’t think he was really scouted for basketball rankings as most thought he was going to play football.
I hope not. We don’t need another post player thinking he is a gunner.
To be fair, that's the nature of basketball these days. And if you're referring to Clark, his gunning won the last game and has factored in to just about every game in the win streak.
Clarke is a better shooter then I thought . Don’t think he is as good as most of you think. Ownes cant get a rebound If he is 20 feet from the basket. Even if Owens hits 3/10 how many easy baskets does his missed turn into for the other team.
Basketball may be changing. When bad players take bad shots teams still lose. Big players taking long shots usually isn’t a recipe for success.
Clarke- I think he taking better shots. He is rebounding. Playing defense. And shooting from the outside. Fine with that, he kind thought he was a gunner early in the year.
First of all, its Clark, not Clarke. Secondly, I don't know why anybody who has ever watched him play could conclude he is anything close to a "post player". He's not now and he hever has been, never will be. He's a 3 that is being forced to play the 4 this year because of the lack of size on the team and the fact that he's heavier and not as athletic as a typical 3 in today's college basketball.
Clark is a gunner and should be. He's shooting 43% from 3 on 120 attempts. That's no accident. He should stay as far away from the low post as possible on offense.
Just said he wasn’t a gunner. JJ redick was a gunner. Harrison was a gunner. I was fine with him shooting anywhere any time . Don’t think clarkee is close to that
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So I suppose the staff is willing to take a chance here?
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Per Zach B
Zach BrazillerVerified account
@NYPost_Brazille
Don Bosco Prep senior forward Marcellus Earlington taking official to St Johns this weekend per source #
Matt will also see him play Friday I believe
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The kid had huge football offers, everyone assumed the kid was going the football route. He definitely will need to put in the work this spring/summer and next year to keep progressing on the basketball court.
Let's not be foolish here. It is not like we are a perennial NCAA tournament team and the model of consistency. If the kid decides to be here, then he has my support.
If he comes and it doesn't work out, then what happens with 50% of college basketball will happen. He will either move on or the team will move on.
With 2-3 open scholarships for next year, and depth at the big guy spots (Keita, Owens, Clark, Roberts), I don't think it's a huge gamble to take a shot.
Have 13 scholarships for a reason - not everyone can be 4 and 5 star. Give the kid a chance to develop if he chooses to come.
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hoping for lamont middleton after 2 years
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The kid had huge football offers, everyone assumed the kid was going the football route. He definitely will need to put in the work this spring/summer and next year to keep progressing on the basketball court.
Let's not be foolish here. It is not like we are a perennial NCAA tournament team and the model of consistency. If the kid decides to be here, then he has my support.
If he comes and it doesn't work out, then what happens with 50% of college basketball will happen. He will either move on or the team will move on.
With 2-3 open scholarships for next year, and depth at the big guy spots (Keita, Owens, Clark, Roberts), I don't think it's a huge gamble to take a shot.
Have 13 scholarships for a reason - not everyone can be 4 and 5 star. Give the kid a chance to develop if he chooses to come.
I don't mind taking a flyer on this guy but without Brooks the new big guys need to be able to step in and contribute because at this point with no Brooks and Brown unlikely it does not sound like they will land a difference maker for next year this late.
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2 star prospect. I thought Mullin was brought in to help with recruiting. Norm could've easily landed this kid. #Settling
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2 star prospect. I thought Mullin was brought in to help with recruiting. Norm could've easily landed this kid. #Settling
Or look at it like this.
Earlington isn’t getting our last ship.
Isn’t being chosen over a top prospect.
Is physically something we don’t currently have.
If he develops mullin and staff can point to him and say, “hey here’s this kid we took a chance on, developed him into a big east player, even when posters like Johnny23 said we were settling. Come play for us and we will get you where you need to be. “
If he doesn’t develop, then he’s on the end of the bench or he transfers like 50% of recruits do anyway.
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2 star prospect. I thought Mullin was brought in to help with recruiting. Norm could've easily landed this kid. #Settling
Or look at it like this.
Earlington isn’t getting our last ship.
Isn’t being chosen over a top prospect.
Is physically something we don’t currently have.
If he develops mullin and staff can point to him and say, “hey here’s this kid we took a chance on, developed him into a big east player, even when posters like Johnny23 said we were settling. Come play for us and we will get you where you need to be. “
If he doesn’t develop, then he’s on the end of the bench or he transfers like 50% of recruits do anyway.
Sean Evans was a beefy football player from Philly late to the hoops game. He was not Charles Barkley at SJU, but in time (when he stopped dribbling all over the place) became a functional player. Matt apparently sees the comparison and staff seems willing to give it a go. Also, I have heard the kid really wants to be a part of getting program back to being consistently successful.
Also, they will still pursue a more ready transfer big to play a lot of minutes immediately, so why not take a chance with ME developing? If they fan on the grad transfer bitch away. Btw, it is not like high quality interior recruits are knocking our door down. Start winning & change that.
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A local kid who is beaming with leadership qualities and is adored at his HS as a two sport star and wants to bring the program back? Without hesitation sign him up.
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2 star prospect. I thought Mullin was brought in to help with recruiting. Norm could've easily landed this kid. #Settling
Or look at it like this.
Earlington isn’t getting our last ship.
Isn’t being chosen over a top prospect.
Is physically something we don’t currently have.
If he develops mullin and staff can point to him and say, “hey here’s this kid we took a chance on, developed him into a big east player, even when posters like Johnny23 said we were settling. Come play for us and we will get you where you need to be. “
If he doesn’t develop, then he’s on the end of the bench or he transfers like 50% of recruits do anyway.
Sean Evans was a beefy football player from Philly late to the hoops game. He was not Charles Barkley at SJU, but in time (when he stopped dribbling all over the place) became a functional player. Matt apparently sees the comparison and staff seems willing to give it a go. Also, I have heard the kid really wants to be a part of getting program back to being consistently successful.
Also, they will still pursue a more ready transfer big to play a lot of minutes immediately, so why not take a chance with ME developing? If they fan on the grad transfer bitch away. Btw, it is not like high quality interior recruits are knocking our door down. Start winning & change that.
Agree 100%. Why not take a chance on this kid if he has a great attitude and we have a scholarship to offer while still going all in for a grad transfer. Kid could be a pit bull type that at least toughens the rest of the guys up by practicing with/against them. If his skills don't develop after first couple of years and he is recruited over and/or transfers down, so be it
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2 star prospect. I thought Mullin was brought in to help with recruiting. Norm could've easily landed this kid. #Settling
Or look at it like this.
Earlington isn’t getting our last ship.
Isn’t being chosen over a top prospect.
Is physically something we don’t currently have.
If he develops mullin and staff can point to him and say, “hey here’s this kid we took a chance on, developed him into a big east player, even when posters like Johnny23 said we were settling. Come play for us and we will get you where you need to be. “
If he doesn’t develop, then he’s on the end of the bench or he transfers like 50% of recruits do anyway.
Sean Evans was a beefy football player from Philly late to the hoops game. He was not Charles Barkley at SJU, but in time (when he stopped dribbling all over the place) became a functional player. Matt apparently sees the comparison and staff seems willing to give it a go. Also, I have heard the kid really wants to be a part of getting program back to being consistently successful.
Also, they will still pursue a more ready transfer big to play a lot of minutes immediately, so why not take a chance with ME developing? If they fan on the grad transfer bitch away. Btw, it is not like high quality interior recruits are knocking our door down. Start winning & change that.
Agree 100%. Why not take a chance on this kid if he has a great attitude and we have a scholarship to offer while still going all in for a grad transfer. Kid could be a pit bull type that at least toughens the rest of the guys up by practicing with/against them. If his skills don't develop after first couple of years and he is recruited over and/or transfers down, so be it
Again the issue is he probably won't make a difference next year. And if he does play significant minutes next year then either he is being WAAYYY under recruited or the more likely scenario is the current roster just is not that good.
But don't have an issue taking a flyer on him. I prefer in light of Brooks bailing they land a difference maker but that is unlikely at this point.
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2 star prospect. I thought Mullin was brought in to help with recruiting. Norm could've easily landed this kid. #Settling
Or look at it like this.
Earlington isn’t getting our last ship.
Isn’t being chosen over a top prospect.
Is physically something we don’t currently have.
If he develops mullin and staff can point to him and say, “hey here’s this kid we took a chance on, developed him into a big east player, even when posters like Johnny23 said we were settling. Come play for us and we will get you where you need to be. “
If he doesn’t develop, then he’s on the end of the bench or he transfers like 50% of recruits do anyway.
Sean Evans was a beefy football player from Philly late to the hoops game. He was not Charles Barkley at SJU, but in time (when he stopped dribbling all over the place) became a functional player. Matt apparently sees the comparison and staff seems willing to give it a go. Also, I have heard the kid really wants to be a part of getting program back to being consistently successful.
Also, they will still pursue a more ready transfer big to play a lot of minutes immediately, so why not take a chance with ME developing? If they fan on the grad transfer bitch away. Btw, it is not like high quality interior recruits are knocking our door down. Start winning & change that.
Agree 100%. Why not take a chance on this kid if he has a great attitude and we have a scholarship to offer while still going all in for a grad transfer. Kid could be a pit bull type that at least toughens the rest of the guys up by practicing with/against them. If his skills don't develop after first couple of years and he is recruited over and/or transfers down, so be it
Again the issue is he probably won't make a difference next year. And if he does play significant minutes next year then either he is being WAAYYY under recruited or the more likely scenario is the current roster just is not that good.
But don't have an issue taking a flyer on him. I prefer in light of Brooks bailing they land a difference maker but that is unlikely at this point.
Well yeah obviously if there is a difference maker out there with interest in coming here then take him over Earlington. But since there isn't there's no downside in bringing this kid in and hoping he develops into a junkyard dog type player over 4 years here. If his scholarship being tied up won't prevent us from getting a better player, why not. Even if he doesn't play a minute next year he could still help by pushing Owens/Clark/Keita around in practice and toughen them up. This team could use a guy like that
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I dont think we will be seeing Yakwe next year. So, we have an extra scholi there. Again , not the ideal recruit, but may serve a purpose and develop.
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I dont think we will be seeing Yakwe next year. So, we have an extra scholi there. Again , not the ideal recruit, but may serve a purpose and develop.
Sense you are correct on Yakwe
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2 star prospect. I thought Mullin was brought in to help with recruiting. Norm could've easily landed this kid. #Settling
Or look at it like this.
Earlington isn’t getting our last ship.
Isn’t being chosen over a top prospect.
Is physically something we don’t currently have.
If he develops mullin and staff can point to him and say, “hey here’s this kid we took a chance on, developed him into a big east player, even when posters like Johnny23 said we were settling. Come play for us and we will get you where you need to be. “
If he doesn’t develop, then he’s on the end of the bench or he transfers like 50% of recruits do anyway.
I guess. I'm just playing devil's advocate here but yeah if they have a few ships to give out and it's not our last one then I'm ok with it. I'm just very familiar with the kid and Bosco's hoops program. These last two years are probably two of their best teams ever. Earlington is getting a lot of love in NJ for the fact that he's a good leader for a really good squad these past two seasons. Hopefully those leadership skills and brute strength rub off if he signs with us.
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Situation I'm very familiar with.
1) He will be here next year
2) Obviously as stated he is a unique player because of his size/weight ratio but the skill set is growing and he's just really committed himself to the game. I can't begin to project how he will preform
3) VERY IMPORTANT....they love his toughness. That translates even if he never sees the floor. He will bang in practice, compete in practice, hustle in practice and will make everyone look bad if they don't match his intensity. He will make everyone accountable from the first time he steps on to the practice floor. Now he might turn into a really good player, he's a tough one for me to assess. But he's a culture changer
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Situation I'm very familiar with.
1) He will be here next year
2) Obviously as stated he is a unique player because of his size/weight ratio but the skill set is growing and he's just really committed himself to the game. I can't begin to project how he will preform
3) VERY IMPORTANT....they love his toughness. That translates even if he never sees the floor. He will bang in practice, compete in practice, hustle in practice and will make everyone look bad if they don't match his intensity. He will make everyone accountable from the first time he steps on to the practice floor. Now he might turn into a really good player, he's a tough one for me to assess. But he's a culture changer
Really love number 3
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sounds like a Matt Brust mindset - I'll take it
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Our biggest competition for him is NJIT, and New Hampshire...... I'd wait and see who we can get as a transfer or a decommit (could be a lot coming with this scandal) before signing this kid. We must be pretty desperate though.
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Situation I'm very familiar with.
1) He will be here next year
2) Obviously as stated he is a unique player because of his size/weight ratio but the skill set is growing and he's just really committed himself to the game. I can't begin to project how he will preform
3) VERY IMPORTANT....they love his toughness. That translates even if he never sees the floor. He will bang in practice, compete in practice, hustle in practice and will make everyone look bad if they don't match his intensity. He will make everyone accountable from the first time he steps on to the practice floor. Now he might turn into a really good player, he's a tough one for me to assess. But he's a culture changer
+1
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Our biggest competition for him is NJIT, and New Hampshire...... I'd wait and see who we can get as a transfer or a decommit (could be a lot coming with this scandal) before signing this kid. We must be pretty desperate though.
Davidson aggressively after him
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Wrong on that one with the competition.
I know for a fact A10 schools are trying to get him on campus ASAP.
Few high majors sniffing around as well.
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Grew up watching Loscutoff clearing space for Russell and watched Dejuan Blair thrive at Pitt. Why can't we have one too?
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My Friend knows a Don Bosco Football Coach and said its a shame he didn't have the determination for football as he did basketball. Said he could have played Big Ten or SEC....said he was being recruited all year for football that is why basketball schools stayed away and he is a late bloomer......with that he said the kid has dedicated his life now to basketball and obviously will not shy away from contact. Said he will be a very good on the boards and will be able to bully the skinner 3's and 4's........I know this is big drop from Brooks or the pipedream of Jordan Brown but i think we take a flyer like paultz said for a local who wants to stay home and if does not work out he or we will move on........Maybe he can be Christian Jones except look and play like Tarzan.
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Per Zach B
St. John's coach Chris Mullin and assistant Matt Abdelmassih going to see target Marcellus Earlington of Don Bosco Prep tonight. #sjubb
Looks like they close on this quickly
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Our biggest competition for him is NJIT, and New Hampshire...... I'd wait and see who we can get as a transfer or a decommit (could be a lot coming with this scandal) before signing this kid. We must be pretty desperate though.
Davidson aggressively after him
Sidebar - In a dreamworld, mckillop would retire after this season (he will be 68 soon) and become Mullins Yoda starting next fall, with most of the rest of the staff leaving the program
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Watched most of the available video on this kid: doesn't run much, can't jump, shoots a push "jump" shot where he barely gets off the ground. Seems to get by by bullying his smaller, slighter competition. He might be 6'4. He is a load, but is this a BE power forward? (There's as much football video as ball video available.)
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Watched most of the available video on this kid: doesn't run much, can't jump, shoots a push "jump" shot where he barely gets off the ground. Seems to get by by bullying his smaller, slighter competition. He might be 6'4. He is a load, but is this a BE power forward? (There's as much football video as ball video available.)
Did you find more than two 50 second clips?
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There's an entire game on RumbleintheGarden.
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Craig Smith was a nobody coming out of high school
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There's an entire game on RumbleintheGarden.
Thanks
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We need real size like Jeffrey Otchere, the 6-foot-11 JUCO center from Garden City (KS) Community College mentioned in another post. He is a true center who would be able to defend any of the Big East centers. He is from the Bronx so why are we not all over this guy. I am so tired of being pushed around not having a true center to fight in the paint. This guy Earlington looks like a dedicated kid and a real fighter, but 6-4 or 6-5 power forwards are not what we need.
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Craig Smith was a nobody coming out of high school
I've watched several you tube videos of Smith and I don't think he has what it takes to be a player in the Big East.
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https://twitter.com/bcarrnjsports1/status/967187909265776640
Mullin at this game with former NBA player Ron Harper whose son Ron Harper Jr also plays for Don Bosco and is headed to Rutgers.
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Craig Smith was a nobody coming out of high school
I've watched several you tube videos of Smith and I don't think he has what it takes to be a player in the Big East.
Agree
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Had 11 points,hit a three & had six rebounds in low scoring affair. Tourney champs though.
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Another down side to him at this time, is w all the investigations going on, there will be decommitments of recruits.
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They will have 2-3 scholarships available I assume.
I have seen a lot of North Jersey basketball the last 3 years as a very good friend of mine is the PG for Bergen Catholic (Don Bosco's rival).
One thing with Marcellus is the kid never really been 100% a basketball player. For 6 months out of the year, he drops the basketball and plays football. He now has walked away from football and is dedicating himself to the hardwood. Even with that 6 month hiatus, he still has progressed enough to A10 schools being aggressive here.
I think there is a chance this kid can really develop. Again if not, things can change for either party down the line.
Curious to see how the visit goes this weekend.
Great family, great kid. Low maintenance, great teammate, and exceptional kid.
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I know I would take Sean Evans on this team right now. Sign me up
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I know I would take Sean Evans on this team right now. Sign me up
Sean Evans was 6-7 and an actually ranked 3 star recruit. Earlington is a 6-4 3 star FOOTBALL recruit. I'd be OK to have him on board as a walk-on. To waste a scholly or expect any type of contribution from this kid is laughable.
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Earlington is a 6-4 3 star FOOTBALL recruit. I'd be OK to have him on board as a walk-on. To waste a scholly or expect any type of contribution from this kid is laughable.
He's a first team all state basketball player. What's laughable about that?
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Signing Earlington would mean the staffs feels Brown is not coming or someone else is leaving....
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Signing Earlington would mean the staffs feels Brown is not coming or someone else is leaving....
Still have one open scholarship from Sid Wilson.
Ahmed + Amar graduating. Lovett gone. Yakwe likely gone. 5 scholarships open total.
Williams + Roberts only two committed right now. Can bring Earlington in and still have 2 open scholarships if nobody else leaves.
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Signing Earlington would mean the staffs feels Brown is not coming or someone else is leaving....
Still have one open scholarship from Sid Wilson.
Ahmed + Amar graduating. Lovett gone. Yakwe likely gone. 5 scholarships open total.
Williams + Roberts only two committed right now. Can bring Earlington in and still have 2 open scholarships if nobody else leaves.
Exactly
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Earlington is a 6-4 3 star FOOTBALL recruit. I'd be OK to have him on board as a walk-on. To waste a scholly or expect any type of contribution from this kid is laughable.
He's a first team all state basketball player. What's laughable about that?
The laughable part is the fact he's 6-4 and he has no high major interest. Who were the main players in his bball recruitment during his junior year? American U and Robert Morris? That really screams freshman year big east contributor to me.
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The laughable part is the fact he's 6-4
Calvin Murphy was 5'9, what's your point. If you have one write it IN ALL CAPS so I can identify it.
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Who were the main players in his bball recruitment.... Robert Morris?
Is that the Robert Morris that beat the shit out of SJ at home in the NIT a couple years ago during the glorious Lavin years or is that a different Robert Morris.
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Would love another Calvin Murphy! He was really the cat's meow.
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The laughable part is the fact he's 6-4
Calvin Murphy was 5'9, what's your point. If you have one write it IN ALL CAPS so I can identify it.
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Who were the main players in his bball recruitment.... Robert Morris?
Is that the Robert Morris that beat the shit out of SJ at home in the NIT a couple years ago during the glorious Lavin years or is that a different Robert Morris.
Is it the norm that 5'9 players (or in this case 6'4 post players) succeed in basketball or is this person you're bringing up from 2 decades before I was born an outlier?
No, you're correct that's the same Robert Morris that beat Steve lavin following one of his down years where we only won 20 games but I would certainly hope that the almighty Chris Mullin has us on the right track to be a far superior program in comparison to that powerhouse from the northeast conference.
Dude your shtick is so tiresome. If you truly believe this is the type of player we should be bringing on in what should be a make it or break it year for this staff then I don't know what to say.
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Earlington is a 6-4 3 star FOOTBALL recruit. I'd be OK to have him on board as a walk-on. To waste a scholly or expect any type of contribution from this kid is laughable.
He's a first team all state basketball player. What's laughable about that?
The laughable part is the fact he's 6-4 and he has no high major interest. Who were the main players in his bball recruitment during his junior year? American U and Robert Morris? That really screams freshman year big east contributor to me.
He is not being brought in to score 15 ppg in his freshman season or ever. Hell, he might not even play at all next year and that would be fine. He's being brought in because he provides something that we currently don't have which is toughness. Maybe with this kid pushing Owens around in practice everyday Owens wouldn't get pushed to the ground by guys like Delgado 5x a game.
There aren't guys that will make a big impact right away still available busting down the door to Mullin's office begging him to let them join. So what the hell do you want
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Earlington is a 6-4 3 star FOOTBALL recruit. I'd be OK to have him on board as a walk-on. To waste a scholly or expect any type of contribution from this kid is laughable.
He's a first team all state basketball player. What's laughable about that?
The laughable part is the fact he's 6-4 and he has no high major interest. Who were the main players in his bball recruitment during his junior year? American U and Robert Morris? That really screams freshman year big east contributor to me.
He is not being brought in to score 15 ppg in his freshman season or ever. Hell, he might not even play at all next year and that would be fine. He's being brought in because he provides something that we currently don't have which is toughness. Maybe with this kid pushing Owens around in practice everyday Owens wouldn't get pushed to the ground by guys like Delgado 5x a game.
There aren't guys that will make a big impact right away still available busting down the door to Mullin's office begging him to let them join. So what the hell do you want
Isn't the fact that there isn't anyone able to make an impact busting down the doors to come play here a big part of the problem. We knew Mullin wouldn't be a good in game coach but we at least thought he'd be a good recruiter. Instead we're sitting here for the second year in a row with the 7th best incoming recruiting class in the big east. What the hell do I want!?! I want the guy who was hired under the pretense that he'd be able to entice kids to come play for St Johns to actually do some recruiting and get some good players.
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I have no problem w him. But need an impact big for next year. We struck out last year and so far this year. Hope Mat is checking out the JUCO ranks as well as grad transfer route.
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Earlington is a 6-4 3 star FOOTBALL recruit. I'd be OK to have him on board as a walk-on. To waste a scholly or expect any type of contribution from this kid is laughable.
He's a first team all state basketball player. What's laughable about that?
The laughable part is the fact he's 6-4 and he has no high major interest. Who were the main players in his bball recruitment during his junior year? American U and Robert Morris? That really screams freshman year big east contributor to me.
He is not being brought in to score 15 ppg in his freshman season or ever. Hell, he might not even play at all next year and that would be fine. He's being brought in because he provides something that we currently don't have which is toughness. Maybe with this kid pushing Owens around in practice everyday Owens wouldn't get pushed to the ground by guys like Delgado 5x a game.
There aren't guys that will make a big impact right away still available busting down the door to Mullin's office begging him to let them join. So what the hell do you want
We do need tougher players, and it would be great if this kid turned out to be one of them. It would be a neat trick though if he helps us play tougher basketball without actually playing. I was counting on the staff to help us do that, but maybe Marcellus can convince Owens and Clark to box out.
What concerns me has less to do with his ranking and more to do with a staff that has only landed their prime recruiting target once and this is their 4th class.
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paultz,
avatar means positive vibes?
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I have no problem w him. But need an impact big for next year.
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This.
If we only bring in Earlington and can't land or don't bring in an impact big.... Not good, IMO.
What concerns me has less to do with his ranking and more to do with a staff that has only landed their prime recruiting target once and this is their 4th class.
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This.
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paultz,
avatar means positive vibes?
Imminent I sense
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They know Earlington is not immediate solution to front court deficits and are pursuing more realistic solutions. Whether they deliver remains to be seen.
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at only 6'5", our luck is that this kid will slim down to 230 and hope to play one of the guard spots..
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bring in glover and brownlee to tutor him on how to play big as a 6'5"
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Marcellus Earlington
@realdealcellus
Extremely blessed to receive an offer from St. John’s #Goredstorm
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
I would always be in the market for a talented guard but Dixon steps in. Ponds, Dixon, Simon and Trimble. I can be content with that. Now if Ponds leaves...you need a guard.
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
I would always be in the market for a talented guard but Dixon steps in. Ponds, Dixon, Simon and Trimble. I can be content with that. Now if Ponds leaves...you need a guard.
Your last sentence
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Add Williams to the guard list
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Need a Pg who can shoot and play defense.
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An entire thread about a 6'5 PF and no one mentions Bonzie Couslon?!
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An entire thread about a 6'5 PF and no one mentions Bonzie Couslon?!
Good call. Dude has a 7 foot wingspan though, and had offers from UConn (back when that was a good offer to have), Miami, Pitt (back when that was a good offer to have), FSU, and of course good ol' Matty A and the Mayor at ISU.
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
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We need scorers. A guard and a wing that can score should be priority. Ahmed is a big loss. At bigs, we are actually ok, with Owens, Keith and Roberts up front. Another of is fine with me, so I’m not upset with Earlington, except I’m not sure what he really is gonna play and he doesn’t have great height, athletic ability etc. not sure he checks that box in terms of what we need. J’araan did. Bottom line we aren’t bringing in the talent level we should be. SJU needs an associate HC like everybody else does, that can help coach and recruit like hell. We are the only program that sends only one capable recruiting assistant out there. Matt has done as good of a job as possible but we are trying to beat Ivan Drago’s and Clubber Lang’s with one hand behind our back.
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We need scorers. A guard and a wing that can score should be priority. Ahmed is a big loss. At bigs, we are actually ok, with Owens, Keith and Roberts up front. Another of is fine with me, so I’m not upset with Earlington, except I’m not sure what he really is gonna play and he doesn’t have great height, athletic ability etc. not sure he checks that box in terms of what we need. J’araan did. Bottom line we aren’t bringing in the talent level we should be. SJU needs an associate HC like everybody else does, that can help coach and recruit like hell. We are the only program that sends only one capable recruiting assistant out there. Matt has done as good of a job as possible but we are trying to beat Ivan Drago’s and Clubber Lang’s with one hand behind our back.
So what your saying is we need Chubbs to come caddie for Mullin?
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Ha! A good one, 'mase. It's also funny being Carl Weathers played in both movies (Happy Gilmore and Rocky).
I do understand where MCN is coming from. Frankly, I'm not too excited about the team's outlook going forward. Hopefully, I'm proven wrong over the next few months and next season.
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My understanding of the current situation
1) Earlington is coming...done.
2) They 100% KNOW and are confident they will add a big via Juco or more likely grad transfer to provide immediate help
3)Ponds will test NBA waters but after speaking with staff they have put feelers out and not only is he not a 1st rd(guaranteed money) but he's likely not drafted at this point. They were told my many scouts their team would rather draft/stash European kid... they are close with his dad and are confident he returms
4) Owens is wild card...
5) Yawke gone
6) ZERO chance staff remains in tact
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My understanding of the current situation
1) Earlington is coming...done.
2) They 100% KNOW and are confident they will add a big via Juco or more likely grad transfer to provide immediate help
3)Ponds will test NBA waters but after speaking with staff they have put feelers out and not only is he not a 1st rd(guaranteed money) but he's likely not drafted at this point. They were told my many scouts their team would rather draft/stash European kid... they are close with his dad and are confident he returms
4) Owens is wild card...
5) Yawke gone
6) ZERO chance staff remains in tact
Great news on 1, 2, 3 and 6. Just need to convince Owens he'll have a role here next year that he probably won't have at any other power conference school.
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Ha! A good one, 'mase. It's also funny being Carl Weathers played in both movies (Happy Gilmore and Rocky).
I do understand where MCN is coming from. Frankly, I'm not too excited about the team's outlook going forward. Hopefully, I'm proven wrong over the next few months and next season.
Thanks and that’s the only reason it was supposed to be funny.
And I’m all for a shake up to Mullins staff.
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My understanding of the current situation
1) Earlington is coming...done.
2) They 100% KNOW and are confident they will add a big via Juco or more likely grad transfer to provide immediate help
3)Ponds will test NBA waters but after speaking with staff they have put feelers out and not only is he not a 1st rd(guaranteed money) but he's likely not drafted at this point. They were told my many scouts their team would rather draft/stash European kid... they are close with his dad and are confident he returms
4) Owens is wild card...
5) Yawke gone
6) ZERO chance staff remains in tact
Great crystal ball 79
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My understanding of the current situation
1) Earlington is coming...done.
2) They 100% KNOW and are confident they will add a big via Juco or more likely grad transfer to provide immediate help
3)Ponds will test NBA waters but after speaking with staff they have put feelers out and not only is he not a 1st rd(guaranteed money) but he's likely not drafted at this point. They were told my many scouts their team would rather draft/stash European kid... they are close with his dad and are confident he returms
4) Owens is wild card...
5) Yawke gone
6) ZERO chance staff remains in tact
Thanks SJU79
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
Impact players lol
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
Impact players lol
Laugh if you want but if you think there's a bunch of Max Hoopers and Marco Bourgualts banging down the door to come here you're probably mistaken.
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My understanding of the current situation
1) Earlington is coming...done.
2) They 100% KNOW and are confident they will add a big via Juco or more likely grad transfer to provide immediate help
3)Ponds will test NBA waters but after speaking with staff they have put feelers out and not only is he not a 1st rd(guaranteed money) but he's likely not drafted at this point. They were told my many scouts their team would rather draft/stash European kid... they are close with his dad and are confident he returms
4) Owens is wild card...
5) Yawke gone
6) ZERO chance staff remains in tact
So Jordan Brown is a definite no-go?
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My understanding of the current situation
1) Earlington is coming...done.
2) They 100% KNOW and are confident they will add a big via Juco or more likely grad transfer to provide immediate help
3)Ponds will test NBA waters but after speaking with staff they have put feelers out and not only is he not a 1st rd(guaranteed money) but he's likely not drafted at this point. They were told my many scouts their team would rather draft/stash European kid... they are close with his dad and are confident he returms
4) Owens is wild card...
5) Yawke gone
6) ZERO chance staff remains in tact
So Jordan Brown is a definite no-go?
Appears so, but a long shot to begin with. We’ll see
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My understanding of the current situation
1) Earlington is coming...done.
2) They 100% KNOW and are confident they will add a big via Juco or more likely grad transfer to provide immediate help
3)Ponds will test NBA waters but after speaking with staff they have put feelers out and not only is he not a 1st rd(guaranteed money) but he's likely not drafted at this point. They were told my many scouts their team would rather draft/stash European kid... they are close with his dad and are confident he returms
4) Owens is wild card...
5) Yawke gone
6) ZERO chance staff remains in tact
So Jordan Brown is a definite no-go?
Appears so
Stinks because he was primed for the taking. Cal is just as bad as us, UCLA is having an off year. If we would have had a good year like people expected maybe we'd have a shot at him.
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My understanding of the current situation
1) Earlington is coming...done.
2) They 100% KNOW and are confident they will add a big via Juco or more likely grad transfer to provide immediate help
3)Ponds will test NBA waters but after speaking with staff they have put feelers out and not only is he not a 1st rd(guaranteed money) but he's likely not drafted at this point. They were told my many scouts their team would rather draft/stash European kid... they are close with his dad and are confident he returms
4) Owens is wild card...
5) Yawke gone
6) ZERO chance staff remains in tact
And Clark?
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Thanks as always 79. Just like Marcus, Tariq is in his third year at the program bc of the 2015 sit out year. He's experienced a ton of losing during this time and I don't blame him or his Dad for feeling emotionally fatigued at this point of Year3. Aren't we all?! I think w the right consoling and reassuring he'll be back. His intangibles are infectious and will only be enhanced on a winning team next year.
As for the staff, let the speculation begin. I'll continue to implore for a senior tactician, the average age of the staff needs to get much older.
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Is Mike Rice still a possibility?
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Thanks as always 79. Just like Marcus, Tariq is in his third year at the program bc of the 2015 sit out year. He's experienced a ton of losing during this time and I don't blame him or his Dad for feeling emotionally fatigued at this point of Year3. Aren't we all?! I think w the right consoling and reassuring he'll be back. His intangibles are infectious and will only be enhanced on a winning team next year.
As for the staff, let the speculation begin. I'll continue to implore for a senior tactician, the average age of the staff needs to get much older.
I would love Owens to return. But, grass isn't always greener on other side. Owens needs strength , an improved inside game and to rebound better. He may transfer and see his minutes dwindle.. He is and will get plenty of burn here. If he and Ponds stay we can be good next year.
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My understanding of the current situation
1) Earlington is coming...done.
2) They 100% KNOW and are confident they will add a big via Juco or more likely grad transfer to provide immediate help
3)Ponds will test NBA waters but after speaking with staff they have put feelers out and not only is he not a 1st rd(guaranteed money) but he's likely not drafted at this point. They were told my many scouts their team would rather draft/stash European kid... they are close with his dad and are confident he returms
4) Owens is wild card...
5) Yawke gone
6) ZERO chance staff remains in tact
Now does number 3 make Marillac happy or sad?
On one hand Ponds coming back should make him extremely happy. But the idea of him not getting drafted would blow up his entire 2018 mock NBA draft where he has Ponds going #1.
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And Clark?
I suspect Clark is fine. I'm assuming you may be wondering about Clark per Baldi's post yesterday.
If so, y'all should know by now that the majority of Baldi's posts are to agitate or get the natives into a frenzy. LOL
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The laughable part is the fact he's 6-4
Calvin Murphy was 5'9, what's your point. If you have one write it IN ALL CAPS so I can identify it.
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Who were the main players in his bball recruitment.... Robert Morris?
Is that the Robert Morris that beat the shit out of SJ at home in the NIT a couple years ago during the glorious Lavin years or is that a different Robert Morris.
Is it the norm that 5'9 players (or in this case 6'4 post players) succeed in basketball or is this person you're bringing up from 2 decades before I was born an outlier?
No, you're correct that's the same Robert Morris that beat Steve lavin following one of his down years where we only won 20 games but I would certainly hope that the almighty Chris Mullin has us on the right track to be a far superior program in comparison to that powerhouse from the northeast conference.
Dude your shtick is so tiresome. If you truly believe this is the type of player we should be bringing on in what should be a make it or break it year for this staff then I don't know what to say.
He's 6'5. Anthony Glover was 6'5 in shoes and he did just fine. He should be able to manhandle basketball players with his physicality. Every team needs a few guys like that. Not everyone has to be a star.
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This kid is not on the same skill level as all the other 6'5 names being thrown around. Not close. He's flat footed, barely 6'5 and can't jump. He's a bruiser, plain and simple. As long as we have enough available schollies to get another big and another PG then I'm ok with this signing.
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This kid is not on the same skill level as all the other 6'5 names being thrown around. Not close. He's flat footed, barely 6'5 and can't jump. He's a bruiser, plain and simple. As long as we have enough available schollies to get another big and another PG then I'm ok with this signing.
I think he can def help our run defense and also he will be able to put some pressure on the QB.
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This kid is not on the same skill level as all the other 6'5 names being thrown around. Not close. He's flat footed, barely 6'5 and can't jump. He's a bruiser, plain and simple. As long as we have enough available schollies to get another big and another PG then I'm ok with this signing.
I think he can def help our run defense and also he will be able to put some pressure on the QB.
lol We've definitely needed an edge rusher forever so can't hurt.
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My understanding of the current situation
1) Earlington is coming...done.
2) They 100% KNOW and are confident they will add a big via Juco or more likely grad transfer to provide immediate help
3)Ponds will test NBA waters but after speaking with staff they have put feelers out and not only is he not a 1st rd(guaranteed money) but he's likely not drafted at this point. They were told my many scouts their team would rather draft/stash European kid... they are close with his dad and are confident he returms
4) Owens is wild card...
5) Yawke gone
6) ZERO chance staff remains in tact
We are currently in 10th. Lose Ahmed, yakwe and maybe someone else and expect to improve? I will believe it when I see it. Year 4 of complete rebuild seems like same shit to me. Wasting ponds.
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Ha! A good one, 'mase. It's also funny being Carl Weathers played in both movies (Happy Gilmore and Rocky).
I do understand where MCN is coming from. Frankly, I'm not too excited about the team's outlook going forward. Hopefully, I'm proven wrong over the next few months and next season.
Feel the same way Dink. If Ponds leaves it could be a real disaster. We need another top 50 kid to be a star and from what I see we don't have any stars on the horizon.
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Lose Ahmed, yakwe and maybe someone else and expect to improve?
Big Ahmed fan are you?
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Lose Ahmed, yakwe and maybe someone else and expect to improve?
Big Ahmed fan are you?
No I am not.
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Lose Ahmed, yakwe and maybe someone else and expect to improve?
Big Ahmed fan are you?
No I am not.
We agree again. 2 out 3941. We are making progress.
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Lose Ahmed, yakwe and maybe someone else and expect to improve?
Big Ahmed fan are you?
No I am not.
So then why is losing him bad.
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Lose Ahmed, yakwe and maybe someone else and expect to improve?
Big Ahmed fan are you?
No I am not.
Is that someone else you alluded to Amar? That ones gonna hurt.
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Lose Ahmed, yakwe and maybe someone else and expect to improve?
Big Ahmed fan are you?
No I am not.
So then why is losing him bad.
Subtraction by Subtraction
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Lose Ahmed, yakwe and maybe someone else and expect to improve?
Big Ahmed fan are you?
No I am not.
So then why is losing him bad.
Because who is replacing him?
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
Would love that but didn't I read the interest wasn't mutual
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
Would love that but didn't I read the interest wasn't mutual
Not sure who said that but you know Westchester better than I do....:)
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Lose Ahmed, yakwe and maybe someone else and expect to improve?
Big Ahmed fan are you?
No I am not.
So then why is losing him bad.
Because who is replacing him?
You called him a black hole. Maybe some other black hole.
The one you mentioned I'm worried about is Yakwe. It's going to be tough to find someone who can average nearly one DNP coach's decision a game. Hopefully Matt's working full time to fill his shoes.
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
Impact players lol
Laugh if you want but if you think there's a bunch of Max Hoopers and Marco Bourgualts banging down the door to come here you're probably mistaken.
I certainly wouldn't want any of the lavin role players you mentioned. If shamorie were to leave Mullin would need multiple guys who can make a serious impact to come in. Especially considering he's an awful in game coach.
You're such a shill. I can never tell if you're completely out of your mind or if you just enjoy arguing with people. You can't seriously disagree with the opinion I was throwing out that this team would be in big trouble if we lost Shamorie and added Earlington and Alan Griffin.
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
Impact players lol
Laugh if you want but if you think there's a bunch of Max Hoopers and Marco Bourgualts banging down the door to come here you're probably mistaken.
I certainly wouldn't want any of the lavin role players you mentioned. If shamorie were to leave Mullin would need multiple guys who can make a serious impact to come in. Especially considering he's an awful in game coach.
You're such a shill. I can never tell if you're completely out of your mind or if you just enjoy arguing with people. You can't seriously disagree with the opinion I was throwing out that this team would be in big trouble if we lost Shamorie and added Earlington and Alan Griffin.
I don't know who Alan Griffin is and moreover I don't care: I find recruits and recruiting boring. There's nothing in your post about Ponds and nothing in my response was directed at his leaving, which that would be very bad but I don't see it happening. And since you can't tell I'll help you out, I'm both completely out of my mind and I enjoy arguing, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Despite which I have a long track record of being right most all of the time about most things but not always because only the pope is infallible.
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Lose Ahmed, yakwe and maybe someone else and expect to improve?
Big Ahmed fan are you?
No I am not.
So then why is losing him bad.
Because who is replacing him?
You called him a black hole. Maybe some other black hole.
The one you mentioned I'm worried about is Yakwe. It's going to be tough to find someone who can average nearly one DNP coach's decision a game. Hopefully Matt's working full time to fill his shoes.
Yes I did call him a black hole. Still he is not being replaced. And is currently the 5th best player on the team. Have to think he would be better if he went to Texas or a different school. Yakwe should be more productive then he has been. DNP coaches decision makes sense if the coach was competent. He is the 6th best player on the team, would be a senior, former freshman all conference player, and 4 star recuit.
Has Lovett been replaced?
Foady - with information that you currently have how do you think next year will go? I don’t expect you to answer that. 10th, 9th and 10th. This experiment needs to end
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
Impact players lol
Laugh if you want but if you think there's a bunch of Max Hoopers and Marco Bourgualts banging down the door to come here you're probably mistaken.
I certainly wouldn't want any of the lavin role players you mentioned. If shamorie were to leave Mullin would need multiple guys who can make a serious impact to come in. Especially considering he's an awful in game coach.
You're such a shill. I can never tell if you're completely out of your mind or if you just enjoy arguing with people. You can't seriously disagree with the opinion I was throwing out that this team would be in big trouble if we lost Shamorie and added Earlington and Alan Griffin.
I don't know who Alan Griffin is and moreover I don't care: I find recruits and recruiting boring. There's nothing in your post about Ponds and nothing in my response was directed at his leaving, which that would be very bad but I don't see it happening. And since you can't tell I'll help you out, I'm both completely out of my mind and I enjoy arguing, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Despite which I have a long track record of being right most all of the time about most things but not always because only the pope is infallible.
Fordhams Alan Griffin comment was in response to sjuhoopnut and Moose's back and forth on page 7 about how "everyone clamoring for an impact big" while they thought a guard would be more important if Shamorie were to leave.
I don't blame you for not knowing who Alan Griffin is, because he's not ranked by any services, but why would you argue with people upset at being involved with players like Earlington and Griffin if you don't really know anything about their games?
I take the complete opposite view on recruiting. I view it as the lifeblood of college sports. Considering the last two coaches we've had haven't been xs and os wizards, I think it makes having top notch kids coming in even more important. Seems like the main thing you and I disagree on is lavins time at sju. If you aren't interested in recruiting then I 100% understand why you weren't a lavin guy.
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Yes I did call him a black hole. Still he is not being replaced. And is currently the 5th best player on the team.
Based upon my understanding of physics if they find a cancer to replace the black hole that would would that be an improvement. So I'm hoping BA is replaced by a benign tumor.
Yakwe should be more productive then he has been. DNP coaches decision makes sense if the coach was competent. He is the 6th best player on the team, would be a senior, former freshman all conference player, and 4 star recuit.
I agree. Very disappointed in Yakwe's play and the way he's been used.
Has Lovett been replaced?
I assume Dixon is his replacement. Anyway he just quit a month ago. Unlike you I don't think Mullin's a magician.
Foady - with information that you currently have how do you think next year will go? I don’t expect you to answer that. 10th, 9th and 10th.
Hopefully it goes well. They were NIT slash bubble bound when Lovett quit. Just about what I expected. Next year if everyone comes back and they add a big I'd expect a bid.
This experiment needs to end
The great thing about you is your malleability. When they win in the pre season the players stink, Ahmed's a black hole, Yawke's terrible and so on. Then when the team lose in the regular season the staff stinks and the players are talented. Then when they win a couple you think the staff is good and then when they lose they you think they stink again and when they try and replace the players who stink the players who are coming might stink more. It's almost like you like to complain. I suggest you eat more fiber.
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Fordhams Alan Griffin comment was in response to sjuhoopnut and Moose's back and forth on page 7 about how "everyone clamoring for an impact big" while they thought a guard would be more important if Shamorie were to leave.
Okay well I wasn't conversant with fordham's response to sjuhoopnet's response to moose's response to sjuhoopnut's reponse to fordham's response to sjuhoopnut about a hypothetical situation when I read your post. My post was in response to what you wrote.
I don't blame you for not knowing who Alan Griffin is, because he's not ranked by any services, but why would you argue with people upset at being involved with players like Earlington and Griffin if you don't really know anything about their games?
What I notice is that the people who are upset about being involved with players like Earlington and Griffin are people who are upset with Mullin in general. People who think that the previous coach should not have been fired, that Mullin should not have been hired, and that now he should be fired. I'm not upset with Mullin in general and am anyway a thorough going skeptic and contrarian who likes to argue. So I present the opposite view point, and especially because I don't recall these same posters saying why is Lavin recruiting Marco Bourgault and Max Hooper and Amir Alibagofgarbage and Felix Balamou and Keith Thomas.
Regarding these two players in particular, from what little I've read one is an all state basketball player and the other a three star recruit, of good size, the son of an NBA player who "averaged 18.5 points, 9.8 rebounds, 4.2 assists and 2.5 steals while shooting 48 percent from the field, 48 percent from beyond the arc and 79 percent from the line ... and is hearing from Rutgers, Illinois, Xavier and Minnesota."
So those two guys sound fine to me. Maybe they're not Kentucky caliber recruits but SJ doesn't get too many Kentucky caliber recruits. I would not expect them to make an immediate impact. I would hope they'd develop into useful players. Because outside of a couple of years that is how SJ has been successful: by developing underclassmen so that they can compete as upperclassmen.
I take the complete opposite view on recruiting. I view it as the lifeblood of college sports. Considering the last two coaches we've had haven't been xs and os wizards, I think it makes having top notch kids coming in even more important.
I didn't say I didn't think recruiting was important. Recruiting is very important. I said I found it boring. Watching grainy you tube videos of dopey teenagers in ratty gyms and comparing their stars to other stars and parsing their instamyspace accounts and trying to figure out what they're thinking. I could not be less interested in what teen agers think, especially teen agers who've been babied their entire lives based upon on their ability to dribble a basketball. All but two or three or four of them end up going somewhere else anyway. It all seems like a grand waste of time to me. As usual, YMMV.
Seems like the main thing you and I disagree on is lavins time at sju. If you aren't interested in recruiting then I 100% understand why you weren't a lavin guy.
I was a Lavin guy until I wasn't and it had nothing to do with recruiting, although after year 1.5 he was an awful lazy recruiter. I disliked Lavin because he was a bad coach and a shameless self promoter and an abominable human being and I'm pretty sure a high functioning hysteric. I am sorry he was hired and happy he is gone and Mullin could lose every game between now and when his contract expires and it wouldn't change my opinion.
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
Would love that but didn't I read the interest wasn't mutual
When did this happen?
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
Would love that but didn't I read the interest wasn't mutual
When did this happen?
Evidently it is true.
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
Would love that but didn't I read the interest wasn't mutual
When did this happen?
Evidently it is true.
Well if he isn't interested in us why do we continue to go out and watch his games, is the staff just into self flagellation? ::)
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This kid is not on the same skill level as all the other 6'5 names being thrown around. Not close. He's flat footed, barely 6'5 and can't jump. He's a bruiser, plain and simple. As long as we have enough available schollies to get another big and another PG then I'm ok with this signing.
Flat footed? WTF does that mean? He runs a 4.8 40 at 250 lbs and has to have an explosion to play DE at the level he is being recruited. Antonio Gates was 6'4 and a below the rim player who averaged 20 points and led Kent State to the Final Four. These types of kids are very difficult to project because a kid with a mean streak can absolutely dominate basketball players who don't have 1/100th of the physicality of a high d-1 defensive end.
I'm not sure this is the kind of staff to get the most of a player like that with their current do-what-you-want-system, but a kid with his size could be very good in college with the right mindset.
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Fordhams Alan Griffin comment was in response to sjuhoopnut and Moose's back and forth on page 7 about how "everyone clamoring for an impact big" while they thought a guard would be more important if Shamorie were to leave.
Okay well I wasn't conversant with fordham's response to sjuhoopnet's response to moose's response to sjuhoopnut's reponse to fordham's response to sjuhoopnut about a hypothetical situation when I read your post. My post was in response to what you wrote.
I don't blame you for not knowing who Alan Griffin is, because he's not ranked by any services, but why would you argue with people upset at being involved with players like Earlington and Griffin if you don't really know anything about their games?
What I notice is that the people who are upset about being involved with players like Earlington and Griffin are people who are upset with Mullin in general. People who think that the previous coach should not have been fired, that Mullin should not have been hired, and that now he should be fired. I'm not upset with Mullin in general and am anyway a thorough going skeptic and contrarian who likes to argue. So I present the opposite view point, and especially because I don't recall these same posters saying why is Lavin recruiting Marco Bourgault and Max Hooper and Amir Alibagofgarbage and Felix Balamou and Keith Thomas.
Regarding these two players in particular, from what little I've read one is an all state basketball player and the other a three star recruit, of good size, the son of an NBA player who "averaged 18.5 points, 9.8 rebounds, 4.2 assists and 2.5 steals while shooting 48 percent from the field, 48 percent from beyond the arc and 79 percent from the line ... and is hearing from Rutgers, Illinois, Xavier and Minnesota."
So those two guys sound fine to me. Maybe they're not Kentucky caliber recruits but SJ doesn't get too many Kentucky caliber recruits. I would not expect them to make an immediate impact. I would hope they'd develop into useful players. Because outside of a couple of years that is how SJ has been successful: by developing underclassmen so that they can compete as upperclassmen.
I take the complete opposite view on recruiting. I view it as the lifeblood of college sports. Considering the last two coaches we've had haven't been xs and os wizards, I think it makes having top notch kids coming in even more important.
I didn't say I didn't think recruiting was important. Recruiting is very important. I said I found it boring. Watching grainy you tube videos of dopey teenagers in ratty gyms and comparing their stars to other stars and parsing their instamyspace accounts and trying to figure out what they're thinking. I could not be less interested in what teen agers think, especially teen agers who've been babied their entire lives based upon on their ability to dribble a basketball. All but two or three or four of them end up going somewhere else anyway. It all seems like a grand waste of time to me. As usual, YMMV.
Seems like the main thing you and I disagree on is lavins time at sju. If you aren't interested in recruiting then I 100% understand why you weren't a lavin guy.
I was a Lavin guy until I wasn't and it had nothing to do with recruiting, although after year 1.5 he was an awful lazy recruiter. I disliked Lavin because he was a bad coach and a shameless self promoter and an abominable human being and I'm pretty sure a high functioning hysteric. I am sorry he was hired and happy he is gone and Mullin could lose every game between now and when his contract expires and it wouldn't change my opinion.
Maybe you should be conversant about the context of a comment before throwing out one of your typical flippant responses.
Besides doing my own research by looking at some of those grainy YouTube videos (the little bit of Earlington tape available is absolutely atrocious), I rely mostly on 247 for my recruiting information as they have their own rankings but also include a composite of all the other rankings. Marcellus Earlington does not have a 247 basketball recruiting page and Alan Griffin is not ranked at all by them, neither of which I have ever seen in my time of religiously following our recruits on 247. Another good barometer is to look at who's offered a player, not who he's "hearing from" as you want to throw out. Griffin holds offers from fordham, marist, umass, st Bonaventure and Illinois. All besides the Illinois are programs we shouldn't be in the same sentence with.
I would certainly classify myself as one of those people upset we are recruiting these kids, who believes lavin should never have been fired, who believes Mullin should have never been hired, etc etc. All I care about is the school where I spent 7 years of my life having a winning basketball program. I feel lavin had us trending in the right direction for the first time in decades. I'm scared that this experiment will make the program take a big step back and I will always voice my opinions when I see things that are pointing towards the program going in the wrong direction.
Unless you somehow have inside knowledge that lavin was cheating, your claim that you wouldn't care if Mullin lost every game for the next two years as long as SL isn't coach is irrational and makes you a bad fan.
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
Would love that but didn't I read the interest wasn't mutual
When did this happen?
Evidently it is true.
Well if he isn't interested in us why do we continue to go out and watch his games, is the staff just into self flagellation? ::)
Other way around...
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This kid is not on the same skill level as all the other 6'5 names being thrown around. Not close. He's flat footed, barely 6'5 and can't jump. He's a bruiser, plain and simple. As long as we have enough available schollies to get another big and another PG then I'm ok with this signing.
Flat footed? WTF does that mean? He runs a 4.8 40 at 250 lbs and has to have an explosion to play DE at the level he is being recruited. Antonio Gates was 6'4 and a below the rim player who averaged 20 points and led Kent State to the Final Four. These types of kids are very difficult to project because a kid with a mean streak can absolutely dominate basketball players who don't have 1/100th of the physicality of a high d-1 defensive end.
I'm not sure this is the kind of staff to get the most of a player like that with their current do-what-you-want-system, but a kid with his size could be very good in college with the right mindset.
First off, Kent St never went to a Final 4. Secondly you're making it sound like any highly rated D end can just come into college hoops at the Power 5 level and thrive. That's not true just like any jumping jack 6'6 built small forward couldn't be an impact WR in major college ball for the same reasons. It just doesn't work like that. Is there a chance he can be serviceable down the line? Sure. But let's not make it out that a 6'4 1/2" DE (who is a 2 star bball prospect) is going to come in and contribute. He may never be more than a backup reserve which I think will be the case. I hope you're right that his brute strength and his DE experience helps him. But I've moved on from this recruit as we still have available schollies and need to focus on filling those with capable prospects.
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Griffin holds offers from fordham, marist, umass, st Bonaventure and Illinois. All besides the Illinois are programs we shouldn't be in the same sentence with.
St. Bonaventure is going to get an at large bid this year exclusively with players you wouldn't have wanted us to go after because of their low rankings. Jaylen Adams, one of the best PGs in all of college basketball was unranked by 247 and didn't even have a real recruiting page on that site. Their 2nd best player Matt Mobley was so low rated he committed to Central Connecticut before transferring to St. Bonaventure.
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Everyone clammoring for an impact big am I the only one who thinks a guard is more important
Alan Griffin...
Would love that but didn't I read the interest wasn't mutual
When did this happen?
Evidently it is true.
Well if he isn't interested in us why do we continue to go out and watch his games, is the staff just into self flagellation? ::)
Other way around...
From what I recall of the poster or two that commented that there was not mutual interest intimated that it was the player that wasn't interested in us. Maybe Moose or the other poster would care to clarify or do you know it to be us not interested?
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Griffin holds offers from fordham, marist, umass, st Bonaventure and Illinois. All besides the Illinois are programs we shouldn't be in the same sentence with.
St. Bonaventure is going to get an at large bid this year exclusively with players you wouldn't have wanted us to go after because of their low rankings. Jaylen Adams, one of the best PGs in all of college basketball was unranked by 247 and didn't even have a real recruiting page on that site. Their 2nd best player Matt Mobley was so low rated he committed to Central Connecticut before transferring to St. Bonaventure.
So because the Bonnies made the tournament this year and we didn't they're a better program then us? Why haven't they been invited to play in the acc?
Please tell me more about these interesting stories of players who are successful despite not being looked at by the recruiting services. I once heard a story of a guy struck by lightening after winning the lottery. I'd venture to guess massively successful college ballers who were unranked make up <3% of all recruits. When projecting success at the next level id prefer to use the opinion of the experts.
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Griffin holds offers from fordham, marist, umass, st Bonaventure and Illinois. All besides the Illinois are programs we shouldn't be in the same sentence with.
St. Bonaventure is going to get an at large bid this year exclusively with players you wouldn't have wanted us to go after because of their low rankings. Jaylen Adams, one of the best PGs in all of college basketball was unranked by 247 and didn't even have a real recruiting page on that site. Their 2nd best player Matt Mobley was so low rated he committed to Central Connecticut before transferring to St. Bonaventure.
So because the Bonnies made the tournament this year and we didn't they're a better program then us? Why haven't they been invited to play in the acc?
Please tell me more about these interesting stories of players who are successful despite not being looked at by the recruiting services. I once heard a story of a guy struck by lightening after winning the lottery. I'd venture to guess massively successful college ballers who were unranked make up <3% of all recruits. When projecting success at the next level id prefer to use the opinion of the experts.
So you are saying that in general, ranked players are better than unranked players? Wow, way to go out on a limb there. Weird though how you are going crazy over the staff going after one unranked kid while St. Bonaventure is better than us this year with their best 8 players essentially being unranked kids out of HS.
I don't think anybody wants this program to just go after and get unranked players, that would be silly and it seems like that's what you think is happening here. But, with 13 scholarships and a program that hasn't been relevant for the past 2 decades, we aren't going to have a roster of 13 4 star players. Sometimes you have to find a guy that is not highly sought after and hope he turns into something.
Had St. John's gone after Jaylen Adams 4 years ago you would have whined and complained about us being too good to go after a kid not on 247 with no other bigtime offers. But if we had him this year he'd be our best player and we'd be a 6 seed instead of on the fringe of the NIT
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Griffin holds offers from fordham, marist, umass, st Bonaventure and Illinois. All besides the Illinois are programs we shouldn't be in the same sentence with.
St. Bonaventure is going to get an at large bid this year exclusively with players you wouldn't have wanted us to go after because of their low rankings. Jaylen Adams, one of the best PGs in all of college basketball was unranked by 247 and didn't even have a real recruiting page on that site. Their 2nd best player Matt Mobley was so low rated he committed to Central Connecticut before transferring to St. Bonaventure.
So because the Bonnies made the tournament this year and we didn't they're a better program then us? Why haven't they been invited to play in the acc?
Please tell me more about these interesting stories of players who are successful despite not being looked at by the recruiting services. I once heard a story of a guy struck by lightening after winning the lottery. I'd venture to guess massively successful college ballers who were unranked make up <3% of all recruits. When projecting success at the next level id prefer to use the opinion of the experts.
So you are saying that in general, ranked players are better than unranked players? Wow, way to go out on a limb there. Weird though how you are going crazy over the staff going after one unranked kid while St. Bonaventure is better than us this year with their best 8 players essentially being unranked kids out of HS.
I don't think anybody wants this program to just go after and get unranked players, that would be silly and it seems like that's what you think is happening here. But, with 13 scholarships and a program that hasn't been relevant for the past 2 decades, we aren't going to have a roster of 13 4 star players. Sometimes you have to find a guy that is not highly sought after and hope he turns into something.
Had St. John's gone after Jaylen Adams 4 years ago you would have whined and complained about us being too good to go after a kid not on 247 with no other bigtime offers. But if we had him this year he'd be our best player and we'd be a 6 seed instead of on the fringe of the NIT
I'm actually "going crazy" over them going after two unranked kids, hence the Griffin conversation in the Earlington thread.
This wouldn't be an issue if we were talking about using scholarships for the 13th and 14th guys on the bench but the entire point of my stance is that if you're talking about potentially losing ponds and Owens along with losing Ahmed off of a team that already stinks and you're replacing them with unheralded guys who will not be major contributors year one like Williams, Roberts, Dixon, Griffin and Earlington in a year when Mullin really should be canned if we finish 9th or 10th then thats not a good strategy for success.
And yes, I absolutely would've been going crazy about Jaylen Adams for 3 years just like I did for the first 3 years of Phil Greene's career.
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Maybe you should be conversant about the context of a comment before throwing out one of your typical flippant responses.
Maybe you should include enough context and content in your writing so that the reader doesn't need to do research to understand it. Because if I have to do research every time someone says LOL, that's a lot of research.
Besides doing my own research by looking at some of those grainy YouTube videos (the little bit of Earlington tape available is absolutely atrocious), I rely mostly on 247 for my recruiting information as they have their own rankings but also include a composite of all the other rankings. Marcellus Earlington does not have a 247 basketball recruiting page and Alan Griffin is not ranked at all by them, neither of which I have ever seen in my time of religiously following our recruits on 247. Another good barometer is to look at who's offered a player, not who he's "hearing from" as you want to throw out. Griffin holds offers from fordham, marist, umass, st Bonaventure and Illinois. All besides the Illinois are programs we shouldn't be in the same sentence with.
Knock yourself out. As I said, I don't find the recruiting process interesting.
I would certainly classify myself as one of those people upset we are recruiting these kids, who believes lavin should never have been fired, who believes Mullin should have never been hired, etc etc. All I care about is the school where I spent 7 years of my life having a winning basketball program. I feel lavin had us trending in the right direction for the first time in decades. I'm scared that this experiment will make the program take a big step back and I will always voice my opinions when I see things that are pointing towards the program going in the wrong direction.
Who's stopping you from expressing your opinion? I merely disagreed with it. Which seems to have upset you.
Unless you somehow have inside knowledge that lavin was cheating, your claim that you wouldn't care if Mullin lost every game for the next two years as long as SL isn't coach is irrational and makes you a bad fan.
I'm quite sure Lavin was cheating, unless the surreptitious hand off of forged transcripts in darkened parking lots is legal under NCAA rules. That has nothing to do with my dislike for him. And if I'm a bad fan I've been a bad fan longer than you've been alive. Maybe I've been a fan so long I've had the good fan beaten out of me and this is what's left. Or maybe we have different understandings of what fandom comprises and of what amateur sports should be and what its relationship should be to the university system and to civic life. All you care about is having a winning basketball program. If all I cared about was winning I'd root for dook and the yankees and the lakers. Unfortunately I ended up with St John's and the Detroit Lions. So I need other things to keep me engaged.
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Griffin holds offers from fordham, marist, umass, st Bonaventure and Illinois. All besides the Illinois are programs we shouldn't be in the same sentence with.
St. Bonaventure is going to get an at large bid this year exclusively with players you wouldn't have wanted us to go after because of their low rankings. Jaylen Adams, one of the best PGs in all of college basketball was unranked by 247 and didn't even have a real recruiting page on that site. Their 2nd best player Matt Mobley was so low rated he committed to Central Connecticut before transferring to St. Bonaventure.
So because the Bonnies made the tournament this year and we didn't they're a better program then us? Why haven't they been invited to play in the acc?
Please tell me more about these interesting stories of players who are successful despite not being looked at by the recruiting services. I once heard a story of a guy struck by lightening after winning the lottery. I'd venture to guess massively successful college ballers who were unranked make up <3% of all recruits. When projecting success at the next level id prefer to use the opinion of the experts.
So you are saying that in general, ranked players are better than unranked players? Wow, way to go out on a limb there. Weird though how you are going crazy over the staff going after one unranked kid while St. Bonaventure is better than us this year with their best 8 players essentially being unranked kids out of HS.
I don't think anybody wants this program to just go after and get unranked players, that would be silly and it seems like that's what you think is happening here. But, with 13 scholarships and a program that hasn't been relevant for the past 2 decades, we aren't going to have a roster of 13 4 star players. Sometimes you have to find a guy that is not highly sought after and hope he turns into something.
Had St. John's gone after Jaylen Adams 4 years ago you would have whined and complained about us being too good to go after a kid not on 247 with no other bigtime offers. But if we had him this year he'd be our best player and we'd be a 6 seed instead of on the fringe of the NIT
I'm actually "going crazy" over them going after two unranked kids, hence the Griffin conversation in the Earlington thread.
This wouldn't be an issue if we were talking about using scholarships for the 13th and 14th guys on the bench but the entire point of my stance is that if you're talking about potentially losing ponds and Owens along with losing Ahmed off of a team that already stinks and you're replacing them with unheralded guys who will not be major contributors year one like Williams, Roberts, Dixon, Griffin and Earlington in a year when Mullin really should be canned if we finish 9th or 10th then thats not a good strategy for success.
So this whole thing is based on the completely remote possibility of losing Ponds and Owens? That's silly.
Dixon will contribute next year, might even start. I'd expect Williams to play a little also. Earlington and Griffin aren't even committed yet. Sounds doubtful Griffin will even be here. Doubt the staff would take both of them and sounds like they won't.
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Maybe you should be conversant about the context of a comment before throwing out one of your typical flippant responses.
Maybe you should include enough context and content in your writing so that the reader doesn't need to do research to understand it. Because if I have to do research every time someone says LOL, that's a lot of research.
Besides doing my own research by looking at some of those grainy YouTube videos (the little bit of Earlington tape available is absolutely atrocious), I rely mostly on 247 for my recruiting information as they have their own rankings but also include a composite of all the other rankings. Marcellus Earlington does not have a 247 basketball recruiting page and Alan Griffin is not ranked at all by them, neither of which I have ever seen in my time of religiously following our recruits on 247. Another good barometer is to look at who's offered a player, not who he's "hearing from" as you want to throw out. Griffin holds offers from fordham, marist, umass, st Bonaventure and Illinois. All besides the Illinois are programs we shouldn't be in the same sentence with.
Knock yourself out. As I said, I don't find the recruiting process interesting.
I would certainly classify myself as one of those people upset we are recruiting these kids, who believes lavin should never have been fired, who believes Mullin should have never been hired, etc etc. All I care about is the school where I spent 7 years of my life having a winning basketball program. I feel lavin had us trending in the right direction for the first time in decades. I'm scared that this experiment will make the program take a big step back and I will always voice my opinions when I see things that are pointing towards the program going in the wrong direction.
Who's stopping you from expressing your opinion? I merely disagreed with it. Which seems to have upset you.
Unless you somehow have inside knowledge that lavin was cheating, your claim that you wouldn't care if Mullin lost every game for the next two years as long as SL isn't coach is irrational and makes you a bad fan.
I'm quite sure Lavin was cheating, unless the surreptitious hand off of forged transcripts in darkened parking lots is legal under NCAA rules. That has nothing to do with my dislike for him. And if I'm a bad fan I've been a bad fan longer than you've been alive. Maybe I've been a fan so long I've had the good fan beaten out of me and this is what's left. Or maybe we have different understandings of what fandom comprises and of what amateur sports should be and what its relationship should be to the university system and to civic life. All you care about is having a winning basketball program. If all I cared about was winning I'd root for dook and the yankees and the lakers. Unfortunately I ended up with St John's and the Detroit Lions. So I need other things to keep me engaged.
Fandom is not comprised of rooting for your team to lose. You said you'd rather have Mullin here losing every single game then have lavin here winning. That's silly.
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And yes, I absolutely would've been going crazy about Jaylen Adams for 3 years just like I did for the first 3 years of Phil Greene's career.
Yeah, the guy has been a bigtime contributor for them since day 1 and has been 1st team all A10 the last 2 years but we don't need that.
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Maybe you should be conversant about the context of a comment before throwing out one of your typical flippant responses.
Maybe you should include enough context and content in your writing so that the reader doesn't need to do research to understand it. Because if I have to do research every time someone says LOL, that's a lot of research.
Besides doing my own research by looking at some of those grainy YouTube videos (the little bit of Earlington tape available is absolutely atrocious), I rely mostly on 247 for my recruiting information as they have their own rankings but also include a composite of all the other rankings. Marcellus Earlington does not have a 247 basketball recruiting page and Alan Griffin is not ranked at all by them, neither of which I have ever seen in my time of religiously following our recruits on 247. Another good barometer is to look at who's offered a player, not who he's "hearing from" as you want to throw out. Griffin holds offers from fordham, marist, umass, st Bonaventure and Illinois. All besides the Illinois are programs we shouldn't be in the same sentence with.
Knock yourself out. As I said, I don't find the recruiting process interesting.
I would certainly classify myself as one of those people upset we are recruiting these kids, who believes lavin should never have been fired, who believes Mullin should have never been hired, etc etc. All I care about is the school where I spent 7 years of my life having a winning basketball program. I feel lavin had us trending in the right direction for the first time in decades. I'm scared that this experiment will make the program take a big step back and I will always voice my opinions when I see things that are pointing towards the program going in the wrong direction.
Who's stopping you from expressing your opinion? I merely disagreed with it. Which seems to have upset you.
Unless you somehow have inside knowledge that lavin was cheating, your claim that you wouldn't care if Mullin lost every game for the next two years as long as SL isn't coach is irrational and makes you a bad fan.
I'm quite sure Lavin was cheating, unless the surreptitious hand off of forged transcripts in darkened parking lots is legal under NCAA rules. That has nothing to do with my dislike for him. And if I'm a bad fan I've been a bad fan longer than you've been alive. Maybe I've been a fan so long I've had the good fan beaten out of me and this is what's left. Or maybe we have different understandings of what fandom comprises and of what amateur sports should be and what its relationship should be to the university system and to civic life. All you care about is having a winning basketball program. If all I cared about was winning I'd root for dook and the yankees and the lakers. Unfortunately I ended up with St John's and the Detroit Lions. So I need other things to keep me engaged.
Fandom is not comprised of rooting for your team to lose. You said you'd rather have Mullin here losing every single game then have lavin here winning. That's silly.
I'm not silly, you're silly. LOL.
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And yes, I absolutely would've been going crazy about Jaylen Adams for 3 years just like I did for the first 3 years of Phil Greene's career.
Yeah, the guy has been a bigtime contributor for them since day 1 and has been 1st team all A10 the last 2 years but we don't need that.
Tip of the cap to you sir. You know more about St. Bonaventure basketball then I do. Hopefully Earlington and Griffin are two diamond in the rough <3% unranked major contributors for high major programs and not bums like the majority of kids who are not ranked.
Moral of the story is I don't want Earlington, I don't want Griffin, I do want Jordan Brown, if Mullin finishes 9th or worst in the be next year i think he should be fired.
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And yes, I absolutely would've been going crazy about Jaylen Adams for 3 years just like I did for the first 3 years of Phil Greene's career.
Yeah, the guy has been a bigtime contributor for them since day 1 and has been 1st team all A10 the last 2 years but we don't need that.
Tip of the cap to you sir. You know more about St. Bonaventure basketball then I do. Hopefully Earlington and Griffin are two diamond in the rough <3% unranked major contributors for high major programs and not bums like the majority of kids who are not ranked.
Moral of the story is I don't want Earlington, I don't want Griffin, I do want Jordan Brown, if Mullin finishes 9th or worst in the be next year i think he should be fired.
9th or worse? That is very lenient. If he's not in the tournament next year he should be fired. Especially if he strikes out on the recruiting trail again and is recruiting lacrosse players to fill in in the front court.....
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You would have to be foolish to not want Alan Griffin on this squad. He is a winner and has the pedigree. Log off the Internet and go to a gym.
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This kid is not on the same skill level as all the other 6'5 names being thrown around. Not close. He's flat footed, barely 6'5 and can't jump. He's a bruiser, plain and simple. As long as we have enough available schollies to get another big and another PG then I'm ok with this signing.
Flat footed? WTF does that mean? He runs a 4.8 40 at 250 lbs and has to have an explosion to play DE at the level he is being recruited. Antonio Gates was 6'4 and a below the rim player who averaged 20 points and led Kent State to the Final Four. These types of kids are very difficult to project because a kid with a mean streak can absolutely dominate basketball players who don't have 1/100th of the physicality of a high d-1 defensive end.
I'm not sure this is the kind of staff to get the most of a player like that with their current do-what-you-want-system, but a kid with his size could be very good in college with the right mindset.
First off, Kent St never went to a Final 4. Secondly you're making it sound like any highly rated D end can just come into college hoops at the Power 5 level and thrive. That's not true just like any jumping jack 6'6 built small forward couldn't be an impact WR in major college ball for the same reasons. It just doesn't work like that. Is there a chance he can be serviceable down the line? Sure. But let's not make it out that a 6'4 1/2" DE (who is a 2 star bball prospect) is going to come in and contribute. He may never be more than a backup reserve which I think will be the case. I hope you're right that his brute strength and his DE experience helps him. But I've moved on from this recruit as we still have available schollies and need to focus on filling those with capable prospects.
Elite Eight so sorry I got him confused for Jai Lewis on George Mason, who was the leading scorer and did go to the final four.
How am I making it like any DE can just come in and dominate? I said evaluating these types of kids is extremely difficult. It's all about will and you can't measure that. This kid has the physical ability to absolutely destroy basketball players with the right mindset and role. Julius Peppers is listed at 6'6 and started games on some very good UNC teams while primarily playing football.
I don't see your problem with this kid's height. He's got the ability to take kids off the bounce and get his shoulder into them on power drives. We made the tournament with 6'5 196 Dom Pointer playing center for huge stretches.
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Agree with Marillac. Btw, Davidson was working hard to get him on campus in next few weeks. Davidson is not a BE program obviously, but is a successful program with an excellent coach known for developing kids.
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Another comp for you: Greedy Peterson from Providence. 6'5 240 and averaged 19.6 and 10.2 (4.5 offensive!) as a junior PF in the old Big East. He only played two seasons and was not a top 150 recruit.
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Yes I did call him a black hole. Still he is not being replaced. And is currently the 5th best player on the team.
Based upon my understanding of physics if they find a cancer to replace the black hole that would would that be an improvement. So I'm hoping BA is replaced by a benign tumor.
Yakwe should be more productive then he has been. DNP coaches decision makes sense if the coach was competent. He is the 6th best player on the team, would be a senior, former freshman all conference player, and 4 star recruit.
I agree. Very disappointed in Yakwe's play and the way he's been used.
Has Lovett been replaced?
I assume Dixon is his replacement. Anyway he just quit a month ago. Unlike you I don't think Mullin's a magician.
Foady - with information that you currently have how do you think next year will go? I don't expect you to answer that. 10th, 9th and 10th.
Hopefully it goes well. They were NIT slash bubble bound when Lovett quit. Just about what I expected. Next year if everyone comes back and they add a big I'd expect a bid.
This experiment needs to end
The great thing about you is your malleability. When they win in the pre season the players stink, Ahmed's a black hole, Yawke's terrible and so on. Then when the team lose in the regular season the staff stinks and the players are talented. Then when they win a couple you think the staff is good and then when they lose they you think they stink again and when they try and replace the players who stink the players who are coming might stink more. It's almost like you like to complain. I suggest you eat more fiber.
Ahmed- Did he live up to potential? I don't think so. Was he at times a black hole on offense? I believe so and he deserves blame. Sean Evans played very foolish for 3 years, coaching change he played less foolish his senior year. I don't believe Ahmed would ever be considered a smart basketball player. But i do believe he would take better shots with a more disciplined coach. I do believe he would have more of a clue on defense with a more experienced coach. Ahmed could and should have been better here. The current Ahmed will be missed from next years team.
Dixon- Maybe he is a diamond in the rough. But he isn't a PG. He isn't an elite athlete. I hope he is good. But He is not Marcus Lovett. Is he big enough or quick enough to guard anyone? Why don't we have a PG on the roster? (i consider ponds a 2)
NIT Bid next year- Would be fine with me, as long we were getting better players (Big IF). Then we maintained the same success I didn't love our previous coach. But I was satisfied with his results.
Preseason- I thought we played one good game vs Nebraska. I thought we played poorly in the others. Any good team we played we lost to. With Lovett I thought we were a good team. NCAA good.
Staff- I think they improved greatly. Still think they are not close to big east quality. I don't believe they are toxic. They deserve the wins they earned. Chris mullin and staff beat duke and Syracuse twice. They also deserve the losses. Chris Mullin and staff has .200 percent winning percentage in conference.
Next Year- I believe we are playing in the 8/9 game. I think their is better chance we finish 10th instead of 7th. Unless multiple teams implode I don't see us getting a bye until Thursday night. Not good enough, even in year 4 of a complete rebuild.
Complaining- Tired of losing. I believe the losing stops when we make a change.
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Another comp for you: Greedy Peterson from Providence. 6'5 240 and averaged 19.6 and 10.2 (4.5 offensive!) as a junior PF in the old Big East. He only played two seasons and was not a top 150 recruit.
That is not fair. Jamine was a legit BE/Power 6 caliber player coming out of Boys and Girls and ND Prep. Was never considered otherwise and SJU recruited him heavily.
Look you want to make the case that this kid is worth a flyer, fine. But imho it is not unfair to say he is a bit of a reach at this level. And it further puts the pressure on the guys already in the fold-Keita, Diakite etc who will need to make a big impact next year. Because they need to turn a major corner next year. And it further emphasizes that this staff whiffed on a ton of 2018 kids that we were told back in 2015 when he was hired that he would be able to land. Although I will reserve final judgement until this class has been completed. Because something tells me that with de-commits and transfers coming in the next few months SJU is not done even with this kid in the fold.
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Fair point on Greedy Fordham. He also played a ton more basketball than Marcellus. Earlington is really late to devoting all his attention to hoops. I still feel he may develop into a good complementary player however.
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How tall is Earlington?
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How tall is Earlington?
5’8’’ but has reach of a guy 5’10’’ :)
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St Johns has landed a commitment from New Jersey senior forward Marcellus Earlington per source #sjubb
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Another comp for you: Greedy Peterson from Providence. 6'5 240 and averaged 19.6 and 10.2 (4.5 offensive!) as a junior PF in the old Big East. He only played two seasons and was not a top 150 recruit.
That is not fair. Jamine was a legit BE/Power 6 caliber player coming out of Boys and Girls and ND Prep. Was never considered otherwise and SJU recruited him heavily.
Look you want to make the case that this kid is worth a flyer, fine. But imho it is not unfair to say he is a bit of a reach at this level. And it further puts the pressure on the guys already in the fold-Keita, Diakite etc who will need to make a big impact next year. Because they need to turn a major corner next year. And it further emphasizes that this staff whiffed on a ton of 2018 kids that we were told back in 2015 when he was hired that he would be able to land. Although I will reserve final judgement until this class has been completed. Because something tells me that with de-commits and transfers coming in the next few months SJU is not done even with this kid in the fold.
What are you talking about? I am listing players of similar heights who have had success at the PF or C positions since Johnny23 wants to eliminate him solely on that basis. We don't need Earlington to be Peterson for him to be a worthwhile recruit. Not everyone has to be a star.
Also, let's not rewrite history with Greedy. Nobody thought he would average 20 and 10 in college and our staff would receive a ton of negativity if we signed him now as a 6'5 not ranked in the top 150.
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https://twitter.com/realdealcellus/status/968974145773064192?s=21
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Per Jeremy Schneider
Marcellus Earlington. All-State basketball and football player. Held his own against Nick Richards and Patrick School this season. Big get for St. John’s #NJhoops
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"Big get" lol. Good luck to the kid hope he does well, but I'm not excited at all about this pickup. Can we recruit an actual basketball player for our next recruit?
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Another comp for you: Greedy Peterson from Providence. 6'5 240 and averaged 19.6 and 10.2 (4.5 offensive!) as a junior PF in the old Big East. He only played two seasons and was not a top 150 recruit.
That is not fair. Jamine was a legit BE/Power 6 caliber player coming out of Boys and Girls and ND Prep. Was never considered otherwise and SJU recruited him heavily.
Look you want to make the case that this kid is worth a flyer, fine. But imho it is not unfair to say he is a bit of a reach at this level. And it further puts the pressure on the guys already in the fold-Keita, Diakite etc who will need to make a big impact next year. Because they need to turn a major corner next year. And it further emphasizes that this staff whiffed on a ton of 2018 kids that we were told back in 2015 when he was hired that he would be able to land. Although I will reserve final judgement until this class has been completed. Because something tells me that with de-commits and transfers coming in the next few months SJU is not done even with this kid in the fold.
What are you talking about? I am listing players of similar heights who have had success at the PF or C positions since Johnny23 wants to eliminate him solely on that basis. We don't need Earlington to be Peterson for him to be a worthwhile recruit. Not everyone has to be a star.
Also, let's not rewrite history with Greedy. Nobody thought he would average 20 and 10 in college and our staff would receive a ton of negativity if we signed him now as a 6'5 not ranked in the top 150.
By his 3rd year many thought so absolutely. He was an athletic scoring freak in HS and as Paultz indicated he was full time unlike Earlington. So no I don't think that was a shock...
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This programs needs high character kids that want to be here, have a great attitude and provide some toughness. And it's possible he turns into a solid role player down the line. All in for this one
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Another comp for you: Greedy Peterson from Providence. 6'5 240 and averaged 19.6 and 10.2 (4.5 offensive!) as a junior PF in the old Big East. He only played two seasons and was not a top 150 recruit.
That is not fair. Jamine was a legit BE/Power 6 caliber player coming out of Boys and Girls and ND Prep. Was never considered otherwise and SJU recruited him heavily.
Look you want to make the case that this kid is worth a flyer, fine. But imho it is not unfair to say he is a bit of a reach at this level. And it further puts the pressure on the guys already in the fold-Keita, Diakite etc who will need to make a big impact next year. Because they need to turn a major corner next year. And it further emphasizes that this staff whiffed on a ton of 2018 kids that we were told back in 2015 when he was hired that he would be able to land. Although I will reserve final judgement until this class has been completed. Because something tells me that with de-commits and transfers coming in the next few months SJU is not done even with this kid in the fold.
What are you talking about? I am listing players of similar heights who have had success at the PF or C positions since Johnny23 wants to eliminate him solely on that basis. We don't need Earlington to be Peterson for him to be a worthwhile recruit. Not everyone has to be a star.
Also, let's not rewrite history with Greedy. Nobody thought he would average 20 and 10 in college and our staff would receive a ton of negativity if we signed him now as a 6'5 not ranked in the top 150.
By his 3rd year many thought so absolutely. He was an athletic scoring freak in HS and as Paultz indicated he was full time unlike Earlington. So no I don't think that was a shock...
I can't tell if you are being serious. He only played two seasons at Providence and it was pretty clear by the end of of his freshman year that they had someone much better than his ranking. He was recruited by Norm at SJU, Rutgers, and Providence. He wasn't even a 3* out of high school and had to do a post-grad year at ND. He averaged 22 ppg in the PSAL the same year Dwight Hardy averaged 39 so "scoring machine" is a little charitable for a guy that was not even top 5 in the city.
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FWIW a former teammate of mine has a son who lives in our hometown and started for Bosco last year. His son is a legit 6'6 and can play. Earlington was just a hair shorter and was much better as a junior. That team also had/has 6'6 Rob Harper Jr. who is headed to Rutgers (very skilled player). They were the TOC champs in a stacked field last year and Earlington had 23 pts and 14 boards in the championship game (9 offensive boards).
I like the addition.
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Another comp for you: Greedy Peterson from Providence. 6'5 240 and averaged 19.6 and 10.2 (4.5 offensive!) as a junior PF in the old Big East. He only played two seasons and was not a top 150 recruit.
That is not fair. Jamine was a legit BE/Power 6 caliber player coming out of Boys and Girls and ND Prep. Was never considered otherwise and SJU recruited him heavily.
Look you want to make the case that this kid is worth a flyer, fine. But imho it is not unfair to say he is a bit of a reach at this level. And it further puts the pressure on the guys already in the fold-Keita, Diakite etc who will need to make a big impact next year. Because they need to turn a major corner next year. And it further emphasizes that this staff whiffed on a ton of 2018 kids that we were told back in 2015 when he was hired that he would be able to land. Although I will reserve final judgement until this class has been completed. Because something tells me that with de-commits and transfers coming in the next few months SJU is not done even with this kid in the fold.
What are you talking about? I am listing players of similar heights who have had success at the PF or C positions since Johnny23 wants to eliminate him solely on that basis. We don't need Earlington to be Peterson for him to be a worthwhile recruit. Not everyone has to be a star.
Also, let's not rewrite history with Greedy. Nobody thought he would average 20 and 10 in college and our staff would receive a ton of negativity if we signed him now as a 6'5 not ranked in the top 150.
By his 3rd year many thought so absolutely. He was an athletic scoring freak in HS and as Paultz indicated he was full time unlike Earlington. So no I don't think that was a shock...
I can't tell if you are being serious. He only played two seasons at Providence and it was pretty clear by the end of of his freshman year that they had someone much better than his ranking. He was recruited by Norm at SJU, Rutgers, and Providence. He wasn't even a 3* out of high school and had to do a post-grad year at ND. He averaged 22 ppg in the PSAL the same year Dwight Hardy averaged 39 so "scoring machine" is a little charitable for a guy that was not even top 5 in the city.
You are insane, he was totally a 3 star recriit. Played in Jordan Brand All Star local game in 2006. Y
Grades were a major issue with him that kept recruiters away.
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Pat Lawless:
https://twitter.com/PatLawless_/status/968977692027772928
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Welcome aboard Marcellus.
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Marcellus Earlington ➡️ @StJohnsBBall
🗣 “St. John’s fans should expect someone who can do it all on the court, score, pass, hustle...whatever is needed. I play with a chip on my shoulder and give 1000% effort everytime I step on the court.”
@realdealcellus @DonBoscoIronmen
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Don't care about the stars. High character kid w/ a great motor and can help grab rebounds and add toughness. Now that he's focused on one sport, maybe he'll develop quicker than expected. I'm excited.
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Welcome to St. John’s Marcellus!
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FWIW a former teammate of mine has a son who lives in our hometown and started for Bosco last year. His son is a legit 6'6 and can play. Earlington was just a hair shorter and was much better as a junior. That team also had/has 6'6 Rob Harper Jr. who is headed to Rutgers (very skilled player). They were the TOC champs in a stacked field last year and Earlington had 23 pts and 14 boards in the championship game (9 offensive boards).
I like the addition.
At least be factual. Bosco lost in the TOC final last year to Patrick School. Earlington had 13 in that game.
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Welcome aboard Marcellus. I’m hoping he’s somewhwre in the Antonio Gates, Rashad Kent, Chevy troutman, Danya Abrams mold...😂. I’m ok with this recruit. I assume the staff thinks he can contribute and grow with us. He also won’t have to be a center as we will have Owens (hopefully), Roberts and Keita at that spot.
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Marcellus Earlington was also hearing from Tennessee and Boston College. Asked about facing bigger players in Big East, he said: “I’m up for the challenge. I’ve played against bigger players all my life.” #sjubb
Zach B
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My understanding of the current situation
1) Earlington is coming...done.
2) They 100% KNOW and are confident they will add a big via Juco or more likely grad transfer to provide immediate help
3)Ponds will test NBA waters but after speaking with staff they have put feelers out and not only is he not a 1st rd(guaranteed money) but he's likely not drafted at this point. They were told my many scouts their team would rather draft/stash European kid... they are close with his dad and are confident he returms
4) Owens is wild card...
5) Yawke gone
6) ZERO chance staff remains in tact
So with SJU staff in flux, hope they consider reaching out to Kevin Boyle. Perfect AHC candidate. Both coach and recruiter. The guy has a great high school coaching career and could potentially help recruiting in a big way. He recruited all that talent to St. Patrick school and Monteverde. Arguably landed more talent than SJU has landed over that time span...
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Welcome to St. John’s
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FWIW a former teammate of mine has a son who lives in our hometown and started for Bosco last year. His son is a legit 6'6 and can play. Earlington was just a hair shorter and was much better as a junior. That team also had/has 6'6 Rob Harper Jr. who is headed to Rutgers (very skilled player). They were the TOC champs in a stacked field last year and Earlington had 23 pts and 14 boards in the championship game (9 offensive boards).
I like the addition.
At least be factual. Bosco lost in the TOC final last year to Patrick School. Earlington had 13 in that game.
So sorry my lord. Sloppy headline from this article made me think they won it: "Don Bosco wins its inaugural game in TOC" https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.northjersey.com/amp/99257088
So Earlington had 24 and 15 in the TOC semifinal and "only" 13 in the championship game against the #7 team in the country as a junior. That changes everything!
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Welcome Marcellus!!!
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So with SJU staff in flux, hope they consider reaching out to Kevin Boyle. Perfect AHC candidate. Both coach and recruiter. The guy has a great high school coaching career and could potentially help recruiting in a big way. He recruited all that talent to St. Patrick school and Monteverde. Arguably landed more talent than SJU has landed over that time span...
Why would Kevin Boyle come back to NY area and leave great gig in Florida? He gets paid well, no state income tax and gets to coach some of the best players in high school basketball EVERY year. He has a parade of DI coaches coming through his building all year long and if you know KB , his ego LOVES it. If it was about the money, he would have went to college years ago.
#quality of life
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Good piece
https://mobile.twitter.com/nypostsports/status/969062696195887105
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https://twitter.com/jsz_sports/status/969240798826041345?s=21
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Welcome aboard Marcellus!!!!
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FWIW a former teammate of mine has a son who lives in our hometown and started for Bosco last year. His son is a legit 6'6 and can play. Earlington was just a hair shorter and was much better as a junior. That team also had/has 6'6 Rob Harper Jr. who is headed to Rutgers (very skilled player). They were the TOC champs in a stacked field last year and Earlington had 23 pts and 14 boards in the championship game (9 offensive boards).
I like the addition.
Marrillac my man, trust your opinion on talent.
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https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/high-school/basketball/2018/02/28/don-bosco-basketball-marcellus-earlington-commits-st-johns-new-jersey-nj-recruiting-big-east/383203002/
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Staff should have shown patients and gone the Jr College route. He is a 4 year guy that might develop but is he mid major talent or BE?
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Staff should have shown patients and gone the Jr College route. He is a 4 year guy that might develop but is he mid major talent or BE?
Still 2 scholarships available. 1 that hasn’t been used and yakwe’s
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Staff should have shown patients and gone the Jr College route. He is a 4 year guy that might develop but is he mid major talent or BE?
Still 2 scholarships available. 1 that hasn’t been used and yakwe’s
Yeah that's the real focus to me. Land a low post big and either a pg/scoring wing.
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Staff should have shown patients and gone the Jr College route. He is a 4 year guy that might develop but is he mid major talent or BE?
The staff is excellent at patients. There’s always someone hurt. I would prefer to see this kid get a chance to be a 4 year contributor than to take a chance on another juco.
Not saying that I couldn’t be convinced otherwise, but what juco have we even heard about let alone bothered to talk to?
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The de-committment hurt but i don't want someone here who doesn't have their heart in it.
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The de-committment hurt but i don't want someone here who doesn't have their heart in it.
We’re getting really good at saying that.
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Greg Mattura
@gregmattura
Final. Don Bosco 71, Bergen Catholic 48. DB- Earlington 24 pts, 9 rebs, Harper 20 pts, 6 rebs; BC - Freemantle 20 pts, 8 rebs.
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Greg Mattura
@gregmattura
Final. Don Bosco 71, Bergen Catholic 48. DB- Earlington 24 pts, 9 rebs, Harper 20 pts, 6 rebs; BC - Freemantle 20 pts, 8 rebs.
They play each other 20x a season it seems.
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Greg Mattura
@gregmattura
Final. Don Bosco 71, Bergen Catholic 48. DB- Earlington 24 pts, 9 rebs, Harper 20 pts, 6 rebs; BC - Freemantle 20 pts, 8 rebs.
They play each other 20x a season it seems.
Two times regular season, Bergen Jambo and States. 4x a year max.
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Usually works out to about 4 times a year as stated above.
Played really well last night.
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Usually works out to about 4 times a year as stated above.
Played really well last night.
Jmattera, seeing him in person do you think he’s got a good wingspan?
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Usually works out to about 4 times a year as stated above.
Played really well last night.
Jmattera, seeing him in person do you think he’s got a good wingspan?
His wingspan will mean a lot. I haven't been able to find out.
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@JohnniesPride
Congratulations to @realdealcellus on winning the Non Public State Championship with 24 points to lead all scorers. @DonBoscoIronmen now heads to the Tournament of Champions. #SJUBB @mabde33
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https://twitter.com/jsz_sports/status/972579760651071488?s=21
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I give you Marcellus Earlington. The next Admiral Schofield. Wouldn't that be nice.
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I give you Marcellus Earlington. The next Admiral Schofield. Wouldn't that be nice.
Who SJU recruited a bit btw.
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Schofield 6’5. Earlington might be lucky to see 6’4
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In TOC semi win today per Mike Kinney
Ronald Harper 17 points, 9 reb, Marcellus Earlington 14 points, 16 reb, 2 assists, Matt Herasme 10 pts, 6 reb for Don Bosco Prep
If Roselle wins today, Earlington will get to go against Naz Reid in Finals
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Schofield 6’5. Earlington might be lucky to see 6’4
I hear differently. Bosco was actually closer to my house as a kid than my own high school was. There are four kids on the basketball team this season from my home town and several of my close friends played there and stay connected.
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BTW Ron Harper has two sons on that team. They are half brothers and Ron brought the other son to live with him last summer from California.
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BTW Ron Harper has two sons on that team. They are half brothers and Ron brought the other son to live with him last summer from California.
Ron Jr going to Rutgers
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BTW Ron Harper has two sons on that team. They are half brothers and Ron brought the other son to live with him last summer from California.
Ron Jr going to Rutgers
Good looking player. Always under control and at 6'6 215 he calls Earlington "the big man." 😁
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https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/high-school/basketball/2018/03/18/don-bosco-boys-basketball-tournament-champions-roselle-catholic-ronald-harper-jr-kevin-diverio/432377002/
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https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/high-school/basketball/2018/03/18/don-bosco-boys-basketball-tournament-champions-roselle-catholic-ronald-harper-jr-kevin-diverio/432377002/
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Jeez. Looks like we should've signed the other kid.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
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https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/high-school/basketball/2018/03/18/don-bosco-boys-basketball-tournament-champions-roselle-catholic-ronald-harper-jr-kevin-diverio/432377002/
Jeez. Looks like we should've signed the other kid.
He's a very good player. Great get for Rutgers. Tremendous skill.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
I've said it before.... I'm not too excited, with this staff, going forward.
Not working hard or diligently.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
He is definitely not 6’3. I don’t think it’s fair to single out a kid like this because of the staff’s failures. This is the kind of 4 year player that St.John’s should take a chance on.
A tough local kid who isn’t scared of the opponent like our guys are now.
With that, the staff needs a seasoned recruiter and they need a seasoned assistant coach who can either convince them to stop avoiding physical contact or scare them into not avoiding it.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Why are you shrinking him two inches? He just went up against 6'10 Naz Reid and a 6'8 PF and held his own. He's being recruited to defend the four and occasionally the five, and not to bang for 40 minutes with lottery pick centers.
Maybe this kid doesn't work out, but I'll take a 6'5 245 lb kid that rebounds and does the dirty work over top 100 kids like Coker, Mo Diakate, etc.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Why are you shrinking him two inches? He just went up against 6'10 Naz Reid and a 6'8 PF and held his own. He's being recruited to defend the four and occasionally the five, and not to bang for 40 minutes with lottery pick centers.
Maybe this kid doesn't work out, but I'll take a 6'5 245 lb kid that rebounds and does the dirty work over top 100 kids like Coker, Mo Diakate, etc.
“Held his own”?? He had 5 points against Naz Reid who had 22 and thats with foul trouble. Ron Harper’s son had 33 and and is taller and committed to Rutgers. I’m not getting this... last place and we should be thrilled with a PF as tall as Dante DiVincenzo that’s not able to make an impact in HS? Norm tried to parlay that “hard work” angle even though he couldn’t coach. If he ends up being a beast I’ll eat my words, but my feeling is our recruiting is a sinking ship.
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Seriously, Earlington is the least of our worries. Looking forward to watching him out work everyone.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Why are you shrinking him two inches? He just went up against 6'10 Naz Reid and a 6'8 PF and held his own. He's being recruited to defend the four and occasionally the five, and not to bang for 40 minutes with lottery pick centers.
Maybe this kid doesn't work out, but I'll take a 6'5 245 lb kid that rebounds and does the dirty work over top 100 kids like Coker, Mo Diakate, etc.
“Held his own”?? He had 5 points against Naz Reid who had 22 and thats with foul trouble. Ron Harper’s son had 33 and and is taller and committed to Rutgers. I’m not getting this... last place and we should be thrilled with a PF as tall as Dante DiVincenzo that’s not able to make an impact in HS? Norm tried to parlay that “hard work” angle even though he couldn’t coach. If he ends up being a beast I’ll eat my words, but my feeling is our recruiting is a sinking ship.
Agree with this (and, I'll certainly be glad to eat my words).
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Why are you shrinking him two inches? He just went up against 6'10 Naz Reid and a 6'8 PF and held his own. He's being recruited to defend the four and occasionally the five, and not to bang for 40 minutes with lottery pick centers.
Maybe this kid doesn't work out, but I'll take a 6'5 245 lb kid that rebounds and does the dirty work over top 100 kids like Coker, Mo Diakate, etc.
“Held his own”?? He had 5 points against Naz Reid who had 22 and thats with foul trouble. Ron Harper’s son had 33 and and is taller and committed to Rutgers. I’m not getting this... last place and we should be thrilled with a PF as tall as Dante DiVincenzo that’s not able to make an impact in HS? Norm tried to parlay that “hard work” angle even though he couldn’t coach. If he ends up being a beast I’ll eat my words, but my feeling is our recruiting is a sinking ship.
Is this bizarro world? The way this usually works is you exaggerate how good a player is and then I explain why he's not that good. We've been doing this for like 20 years man. Why the negativity now?
They lost by 7 to the #13 team in the country who had a McDonald'a All-American center and a 3* 6'8 215 PF. His stats were limited to foul trouble as well. SF was the only position they had an advantage with Harper Jr. If you think we signed a kid that could outplay that duo, that is just unreasonable.
Every team needs glue guys...guys to do the dirty work. Give me a 6'5 workhorse who accepts those duties over a top 50 6'10 kid that wants to be a SG/SF any day of the week. I have no idea if he's that kind of a player, but I won't dismiss him over his height before he ever suits up.
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And Ron Harper's kid is really good and has a chance to be very special for Rutgers. He's expected to fill a big role for them. Marcellus is being brought in as a lunch pale player for us. Williams is being brought in for bigger things.
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If he went for 10 + 10 we’d all be really excited. It’s one game against the best team in the state.
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If he went for 10 + 10 we’d all be really excited. It’s one game against the best team in the state.
Agreed. I’m not expecting much from Earlington but to base his future off of one game isn’t realistic.
As an example, Ponds had 2 pts on 0-12 shooting against Butler. Kids often have off nights.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Why are you shrinking him two inches? He just went up against 6'10 Naz Reid and a 6'8 PF and held his own. He's being recruited to defend the four and occasionally the five, and not to bang for 40 minutes with lottery pick centers.
Maybe this kid doesn't work out, but I'll take a 6'5 245 lb kid that rebounds and does the dirty work over top 100 kids like Coker, Mo Diakate, etc.
Mo as in Maurice Harkless?
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Mohamed Diakite played maybe 15 years ago. He wasn’t very good. He was a cool guy though. Had drinks with him a few times before games.
He kind of knew he sucked. Made a joke out of it.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Why are you shrinking him two inches? He just went up against 6'10 Naz Reid and a 6'8 PF and held his own. He's being recruited to defend the four and occasionally the five, and not to bang for 40 minutes with lottery pick centers.
Maybe this kid doesn't work out, but I'll take a 6'5 245 lb kid that rebounds and does the dirty work over top 100 kids like Coker, Mo Diakate, etc.
Mo as in Maurice Harkless?
Mohammed Diakate. He was a top 60 recruit for Jarvis and played a year for Norm. He did nothing while 6'4 Anthony Glover led us to three top ten rebounding teams as a center.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Earlington is the kind of player we always recruited to do the dirty work for the first round draft picks we had virtually every year. I think he'll be a fine player...although I admit I never saw him play.
I don't understand the mantra that Mullin/Richmond and company are fun to play for. Why are so many players leaving? That's what's pushing me off the Mullin bandwagon. Kentucky/Duke etc have one and done's leaving for the NBA. We have players leaving for the "Morby Techs" of the world. Forget the mediocre at best recruiting. We can't even keep the three star players we have. Until Mullin figures out a way to stop the bleeding, we'll be writing how Earlington jumped ship to play at Ramapo College because he wanted to be "closer to home".
Right now, we are at rock bottom. We're even worse than the Norm years. Sad.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Why are you shrinking him two inches? He just went up against 6'10 Naz Reid and a 6'8 PF and held his own. He's being recruited to defend the four and occasionally the five, and not to bang for 40 minutes with lottery pick centers.
Maybe this kid doesn't work out, but I'll take a 6'5 245 lb kid that rebounds and does the dirty work over top 100 kids like Coker, Mo Diakate, etc.
Mo as in Maurice Harkless?
Mohammed Diakate. He was a top 60 recruit for Jarvis and played a year for Norm. He did nothing while 6'4 Anthony Glover led us to three top ten rebounding teams as a center.
My mistake thought you were missing a comma and meant Mo and boubacar diakite. Did a quick Google Search for Mo diakate before posting and all I saw was a bunch of videos for a zumba instructor. That's probably indicative of the little amount of success he had in red and white.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Earlington is the kind of player we always recruited to do the dirty work for the first round draft picks we had virtually every year. I think he'll be a fine player...although I admit I never saw him play.
I don't understand the mantra that Mullin/Richmond and company are fun to play for. Why are so many players leaving? That's what's pushing me off the Mullin bandwagon. Kentucky/Duke etc have one and done's leaving for the NBA. We have players leaving for the "Morby Techs" of the world. Forget the mediocre at best recruiting. We can't even keep the three star players we have. Until Mullin figures out a way to stop the bleeding, we'll be writing how Earlington jumped ship to play at Ramapo College because he wanted to be "closer to home".
Right now, we are at rock bottom. We're even worse than the Norm years. Sad.
Ramapo made it to the Final 4 this year...in D3. It is a pretty sad state of affairs, no doubt.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Earlington is the kind of player we always recruited to do the dirty work for the first round draft picks we had virtually every year. I think he'll be a fine player...although I admit I never saw him play.
I don't understand the mantra that Mullin/Richmond and company are fun to play for. Why are so many players leaving? That's what's pushing me off the Mullin bandwagon. Kentucky/Duke etc have one and done's leaving for the NBA. We have players leaving for the "Morby Techs" of the world. Forget the mediocre at best recruiting. We can't even keep the three star players we have. Until Mullin figures out a way to stop the bleeding, we'll be writing how Earlington jumped ship to play at Ramapo College because he wanted to be "closer to home".
Right now, we are at rock bottom. We're even worse than the Norm years. Sad.
This year did not go as planned. But worse than norm years no way! We had an exciting team this year. We went 0-11 to start BE play which is unbelievable. A few of those games we were thoroughly out played, a few of them we were clearly the worse team and a few of them we got some really bad breaks. We win 2 of those and we’re an nit team who’s bringing back next years BE POY. Retain ponds and this is nowhere near rock bottom IMO.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Earlington is the kind of player we always recruited to do the dirty work for the first round draft picks we had virtually every year. I think he'll be a fine player...although I admit I never saw him play.
I don't understand the mantra that Mullin/Richmond and company are fun to play for. Why are so many players leaving? That's what's pushing me off the Mullin bandwagon. Kentucky/Duke etc have one and done's leaving for the NBA. We have players leaving for the "Morby Techs" of the world. Forget the mediocre at best recruiting. We can't even keep the three star players we have. Until Mullin figures out a way to stop the bleeding, we'll be writing how Earlington jumped ship to play at Ramapo College because he wanted to be "closer to home".
Right now, we are at rock bottom. We're even worse than the Norm years. Sad.
We are not worse than the Norm years. There was no hope with that guy. He could have never landed a kid like Ponds. Ever. He could have never landed a transfer like Simon.
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Norm landed Dwight hardy and brownlee. Norms sophomores became juniors. Norm also made the NIT. Norm was the worst coach in school history .
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Earlington is the kind of player we always recruited to do the dirty work for the first round draft picks we had virtually every year. I think he'll be a fine player...although I admit I never saw him play.
I don't understand the mantra that Mullin/Richmond and company are fun to play for. Why are so many players leaving? That's what's pushing me off the Mullin bandwagon. Kentucky/Duke etc have one and done's leaving for the NBA. We have players leaving for the "Morby Techs" of the world. Forget the mediocre at best recruiting. We can't even keep the three star players we have. Until Mullin figures out a way to stop the bleeding, we'll be writing how Earlington jumped ship to play at Ramapo College because he wanted to be "closer to home".
Right now, we are at rock bottom. We're even worse than the Norm years. Sad.
We are not worse than the Norm years. There was no hope with that guy. He could have never landed a kid like Ponds. Ever. He could have never landed a transfer like Simon.
What makes it worse than the Norm years is there WAS hope with Mullin...No hope with Norm. Another bubble has burst.
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And Ron Harper's kid is really good and has a chance to be very special for Rutgers. He's expected to fill a big role for them. Marcellus is being brought in as a lunch pale player for us. Williams is being brought in for bigger things.
What? He is a solid pickup but was considered a reach when he was signed.
If he plays a lot for Rutgers next year it's because Rutgers is in serious trouble which they usually are anyway
A really good player is not someone who may develop in a few years, a really goid player is someone who can earn minutes on a really good team immediately as a freshman. A great player is so one who can be a potential starter for a good or really good team immediately.
Ellington may help but he may need a few years to develop. This team needs help now.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Earlington is the kind of player we always recruited to do the dirty work for the first round draft picks we had virtually every year. I think he'll be a fine player...although I admit I never saw him play.
I don't understand the mantra that Mullin/Richmond and company are fun to play for. Why are so many players leaving? That's what's pushing me off the Mullin bandwagon. Kentucky/Duke etc have one and done's leaving for the NBA. We have players leaving for the "Morby Techs" of the world. Forget the mediocre at best recruiting. We can't even keep the three star players we have. Until Mullin figures out a way to stop the bleeding, we'll be writing how Earlington jumped ship to play at Ramapo College because he wanted to be "closer to home".
Right now, we are at rock bottom. We're even worse than the Norm years. Sad.
We are not worse than the Norm years. There was no hope with that guy. He could have never landed a kid like Ponds. Ever. He could have never landed a transfer like Simon.
Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Earlington is the kind of player we always recruited to do the dirty work for the first round draft picks we had virtually every year. I think he'll be a fine player...although I admit I never saw him play.
I don't understand the mantra that Mullin/Richmond and company are fun to play for. Why are so many players leaving? That's what's pushing me off the Mullin bandwagon. Kentucky/Duke etc have one and done's leaving for the NBA. We have players leaving for the "Morby Techs" of the world. Forget the mediocre at best recruiting. We can't even keep the three star players we have. Until Mullin figures out a way to stop the bleeding, we'll be writing how Earlington jumped ship to play at Ramapo College because he wanted to be "closer to home".
Right now, we are at rock bottom. We're even worse than the Norm years. Sad.
We are not worse than the Norm years. There was no hope with that guy. He could have never landed a kid like Ponds. Ever. He could have never landed a transfer like Simon.
Come on really. Look I'll give you Ponds but after that it is mediocre.
And quite frankly the fact that Mullin is going into year 4 basically in a must win situation after whiffing on all major recruits is enough to at least say he is in the same neighborhood.
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Fordham is dead on with Harper. As a matter of fact, it could end up he is red shirted, but based on what I have seen and heard, he is someone they believe can develop over 2 years and be a solid big ten player.
On the other hand, Earlington is NOT a big east player nor is he projected to be one. He is too small to be a pF, (Not 6'5) and not skilled enough to be a guard. Staff wanted to take a chance, on him fine, but right now its hard for me to see how he can contribute other than in practice. Lets just hope that if he is a replacement for AA, he is for practice reasons and not game reasons.
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I have heard that Ron Harper Jr. is a much better player than some of you guys are giving him credit for.
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I have heard that Ron Harper Jr. is a much better player than some of you guys are giving him credit for.
According to rivals. 3 star. Nebraska and a bunch of cupcakes offered.
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I have heard that Ron Harper Jr. is a much better player than some of you guys are giving him credit for.
Well since we are not giving him any credit how much better can that be???? LOL!
He won't be starting at Rutgers in year 1 which means he probably would not even have been recruited by the better Big 10 programs in the first place. You want to argue he is better than his ranking, fine. But I don't really care.
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Ellington may help but he may need a few years to develop. This team needs help now.
That's what I've said before.... Earlington may be of help his junior season (or, maybe by his sophomore year), but we need immediate help.
Some are a bit too cavalier for a team who finished next to last.
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Here is the bottom line the recruiting at SJU under Coach Mullin has been mediocre. I have stated this many times, again there is no one with a straight face who thought 3 years ago SJU would be coming off of their 2nd last place showing in 3 years, 3 straight losing seasons, trying to sell an unranked former football player to this a board as a solid glue guy in place of the numerous 2018 recruits that we thought SJU would be able to land with the new staff but totally whiffed on. NO ONE. You would have been laughed off of this board.
Having said that it is not over. I have no issue with taking a flyer on Earlington but he can't be the answer for their frontcourt depth needs for next year at least. But there is going to be opportunities that I believe this staff hopes to capitalize on. Meaning highly ranked de-commits, transfers and grad transfers. I am willing to let this play out thru the spring. I actually do have a good feeling they will land some key parts. I haven't given up hope yet. I am an optimist. But again I laugh at people who sell things that they know damn well 3 years ago they would have laughed at themselves if they ever thought they would be doing that.
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Harper Jr. would be considered a 4 year reserve for any BE program not named SJU or DePaul. He's had a great senior year so good for him. Earlington is not nearly the bball player Harper is so anyone with a clue can figure out what level he should be playing at.
As others have said, this kid isn't what this team needs to make the tourney next year. Maybe 3 years down the line he's a serviceable reserve but to expect more than that from a player of his caliber is wishful thinking at best.
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I have heard that Ron Harper Jr. is a much better player than some of you guys are giving him credit for.
According to rivals. 3 star. Nebraska and a bunch of cupcakes offered.
He's been committed for quite sometime which most likely limited his offers. Colin Sexton one and done projected top 10 pick this year verballed to Alabama his junior year than blew up as senior but stuck with his verbal and signed with them.
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I have heard that Ron Harper Jr. is a much better player than some of you guys are giving him credit for.
According to rivals. 3 star. Nebraska and a bunch of cupcakes offered.
He's been committed for quite sometime which most likely limited his offers. Colin Sexton one and done projected top 10 pick this year verballed to Alabama his junior year than blew up as senior but stuck with his verbal and signed with them.
Understood but that doesn't limit his overall ranking which is very low (in fact he is unranked by most recruiting sites). His ranking has nothing to do with who has offered.
Look my point is regardless of what you think of Harper he is not what SJU is missing to make that leap next year. That is what SJU needs to focus on.
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I have heard that Ron Harper Jr. is a much better player than some of you guys are giving him credit for.
According to rivals. 3 star. Nebraska and a bunch of cupcakes offered.
He's been committed for quite sometime which most likely limited his offers. Colin Sexton one and done projected top 10 pick this year verballed to Alabama his junior year than blew up as senior but stuck with his verbal and signed with them.
Understood but that doesn't limit his overall ranking which is very low (in fact he is unranked by most recruiting sites). His ranking has nothing to do with who has offered.
Look my point is regardless of what you think of Harper he is not what SJU is missing to make that leap next year. That is what SJU needs to focus on.
Just to be clear I never related Harper to St. John's. Just stated that I have heard he is a pretty good prospect by someone involved in the business.
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I have heard that Ron Harper Jr. is a much better player than some of you guys are giving him credit for.
According to rivals. 3 star. Nebraska and a bunch of cupcakes offered.
He's been committed for quite sometime which most likely limited his offers. Colin Sexton one and done projected top 10 pick this year verballed to Alabama his junior year than blew up as senior but stuck with his verbal and signed with them.
Understood but that doesn't limit his overall ranking which is very low (in fact he is unranked by most recruiting sites). His ranking has nothing to do with who has offered.
Look my point is regardless of what you think of Harper he is not what SJU is missing to make that leap next year. That is what SJU needs to focus on.
Just to be clear I never related Harper to St. John's. Just stated that I have heard he is a pretty good prospect by someone involved in the business.
Understood I was explaining even for a SJU squad looking for more talent Ron Harper Jr, even if he is a bit better than his ranking, is not the answer. They need difference makers and he is not one of them even if he is a bit better than people think.
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I have heard that Ron Harper Jr. is a much better player than some of you guys are giving him credit for.
According to rivals. 3 star. Nebraska and a bunch of cupcakes offered.
He's been committed for quite sometime which most likely limited his offers. Colin Sexton one and done projected top 10 pick this year verballed to Alabama his junior year than blew up as senior but stuck with his verbal and signed with them.
Understood but that doesn't limit his overall ranking which is very low (in fact he is unranked by most recruiting sites). His ranking has nothing to do with who has offered.
Look my point is regardless of what you think of Harper he is not what SJU is missing to make that leap next year. That is what SJU needs to focus on.
Just to be clear I never related Harper to St. John's. Just stated that I have heard he is a pretty good prospect by someone involved in the business.
Understood I was explaining even for a SJU squad looking for more talent Ron Harper Jr, even if he is a bit better than his ranking, is not the answer. They need difference makers and he is not one of them even if he is a bit better than people think.
Which is the frustrating part about Earlington as well. We need difference-makers... No knock on the kid, but it’s just nowhere near what we need.
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I have heard that Ron Harper Jr. is a much better player than some of you guys are giving him credit for.
According to rivals. 3 star. Nebraska and a bunch of cupcakes offered.
He's been committed for quite sometime which most likely limited his offers. Colin Sexton one and done projected top 10 pick this year verballed to Alabama his junior year than blew up as senior but stuck with his verbal and signed with them.
Understood but that doesn't limit his overall ranking which is very low (in fact he is unranked by most recruiting sites). His ranking has nothing to do with who has offered.
Look my point is regardless of what you think of Harper he is not what SJU is missing to make that leap next year. That is what SJU needs to focus on.
Just to be clear I never related Harper to St. John's. Just stated that I have heard he is a pretty good prospect by someone involved in the business.
Understood I was explaining even for a SJU squad looking for more talent Ron Harper Jr, even if he is a bit better than his ranking, is not the answer. They need difference makers and he is not one of them even if he is a bit better than people think.
Which is the frustrating part about Earlington as well. We need difference-makers... No knock on the kid, but it’s just nowhere near what we need.
Don't give up yet.
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I have heard that Ron Harper Jr. is a much better player than some of you guys are giving him credit for.
According to rivals. 3 star. Nebraska and a bunch of cupcakes offered.
He's been committed for quite sometime which most likely limited his offers. Colin Sexton one and done projected top 10 pick this year verballed to Alabama his junior year than blew up as senior but stuck with his verbal and signed with them.
Ron Harper Jr. is clearly a top 100 player regardless of where the rankings put him. Bosco isn't exactly a basketball hot bed. He's a tremendously skilled kid, he's just going to have to find away to separate from defender's at the next level.
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I have heard that Ron Harper Jr. is a much better player than some of you guys are giving him credit for.
According to rivals. 3 star. Nebraska and a bunch of cupcakes offered.
He's been committed for quite sometime which most likely limited his offers. Colin Sexton one and done projected top 10 pick this year verballed to Alabama his junior year than blew up as senior but stuck with his verbal and signed with them.
Understood but that doesn't limit his overall ranking which is very low (in fact he is unranked by most recruiting sites). His ranking has nothing to do with who has offered.
Look my point is regardless of what you think of Harper he is not what SJU is missing to make that leap next year. That is what SJU needs to focus on.
Just to be clear I never related Harper to St. John's. Just stated that I have heard he is a pretty good prospect by someone involved in the business.
Understood I was explaining even for a SJU squad looking for more talent Ron Harper Jr, even if he is a bit better than his ranking, is not the answer. They need difference makers and he is not one of them even if he is a bit better than people think.
Which is the frustrating part about Earlington as well. We need difference-makers... No knock on the kid, but it’s just nowhere near what we need.
We have difference makers for the next year or two. We need some junkyard dogs. We need a PG that is going to guard the ball chin to chin like Fatts Russell and then setup the offense on the other end 15-20 mpg. We need a few kids to set screens that endanger opposing guards, fight for position, box out like someone just smacked their mother, and crash the offensive glass.
We'll have the best one-on-one player in the country the next year or two. All we need are guys to complement him like we did with Hatten.
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Agree with Marillac's prior post. We definitely need to toughen up on the boards. I hate a weak rebounding team.
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Agree with Marillac's prior post. We definitely need to toughen up on the boards. I hate a weak rebounding team.
absolutely. To be bottom or damn well near bottom of the league in rebounds is ridiculous. I think it was Marillac that put up a stat that we were in the 200's in the entire NCAA. That's pathetic
Also ok we were missing Lovett but where were we as far as assists ? So much standing around this year our assist numbers had to be pathetic also I'd think
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Earlington is the kind of player we always recruited to do the dirty work for the first round draft picks we had virtually every year. I think he'll be a fine player...although I admit I never saw him play.
I don't understand the mantra that Mullin/Richmond and company are fun to play for. Why are so many players leaving? That's what's pushing me off the Mullin bandwagon. Kentucky/Duke etc have one and done's leaving for the NBA. We have players leaving for the "Morby Techs" of the world. Forget the mediocre at best recruiting. We can't even keep the three star players we have. Until Mullin figures out a way to stop the bleeding, we'll be writing how Earlington jumped ship to play at Ramapo College because he wanted to be "closer to home".
Right now, we are at rock bottom. We're even worse than the Norm years. Sad.
This year did not go as planned. But worse than norm years no way! We had an exciting team this year. We went 0-11 to start BE play which is unbelievable. A few of those games we were thoroughly out played, a few of them we were clearly the worse team and a few of them we got some really bad breaks. We win 2 of those and we’re an nit team who’s bringing back next years BE POY. Retain ponds and this is nowhere near rock bottom IMO.
Before the 06-07 season was even underway the program lost Doug Wiggins to Uconn, Derwin Kitchen to academics and Rob Thomas to the worst ACL injury I’ve ever read about. How would a starting 5 of the following panned out that season?
Kitchen - PG
Wiggins - SG
Thomas - SF
Calhoun - PF
Hamilton - C
With a bench of Hill, Geno, Mason, Spears and Jasuloines.
I’d expect that team to have made the NIT. Norm wasn’t just an awful coach. He was unlucky, too.
I find it telling that Mullin’s team in his 3rd season is eerily familiar to Norm’s in his 3rd season. This season started with a lot of promise. Then, after the team lost LoVett and Ponds was injured and playing through pain, it collapsed.
There was absolutely hope, but it was short lived. There needs to be more than just Shamorie. I’m willing to bet anybody that the program isn’t getting more than two more seasons out of him. That means that we need other players who can play. We can’t count on one guy to be the entire team.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Earlington is the kind of player we always recruited to do the dirty work for the first round draft picks we had virtually every year. I think he'll be a fine player...although I admit I never saw him play.
I don't understand the mantra that Mullin/Richmond and company are fun to play for. Why are so many players leaving? That's what's pushing me off the Mullin bandwagon. Kentucky/Duke etc have one and done's leaving for the NBA. We have players leaving for the "Morby Techs" of the world. Forget the mediocre at best recruiting. We can't even keep the three star players we have. Until Mullin figures out a way to stop the bleeding, we'll be writing how Earlington jumped ship to play at Ramapo College because he wanted to be "closer to home".
Right now, we are at rock bottom. We're even worse than the Norm years. Sad.
This year did not go as planned. But worse than norm years no way! We had an exciting team this year. We went 0-11 to start BE play which is unbelievable. A few of those games we were thoroughly out played, a few of them we were clearly the worse team and a few of them we got some really bad breaks. We win 2 of those and we’re an nit team who’s bringing back next years BE POY. Retain ponds and this is nowhere near rock bottom IMO.
Before the 06-07 season was even underway the program lost Doug Wiggins to Uconn, Derwin Kitchen to academics and Rob Thomas to the worst ACL injury I’ve ever read about. How would a starting 5 of the following panned out that season?
Kitchen - PG
Wiggins - SG
Thomas - SF
Calhoun - PF
Hamilton - C
With a bench of Hill, Geno, Mason, Spears and Jasuloines.
I’d expect that team to have made the NIT. Norm wasn’t just an awful coach. He was unlucky, too.
I find it telling that Mullin’s team in his 3rd season is eerily familiar to Norm’s in his 3rd season. This season started with a lot of promise. Then, after the team lost LoVett and Ponds was injured and playing through pain, it collapsed.
There was absolutely hope, but it was short lived. There needs to be more than just Shamorie. I’m willing to bet anybody that the program isn’t getting more than two more seasons out of him. That means that we need other players who can play. We can’t count on one guy to be the entire team.
after all this time I forgot about that year erased from my memory my 10+ years of bronx pale ales. That was the year Norm could have turned the tide. Oh man I remember the Rob Thomas injury though. That one was devastating.
And he was unlucky. Ultimately though winners either get lucky or create there own luck. You have a much better chance creating your own luck recruiting having multiple guys recruiting
BTW What did Kitchen do after SJU ? I completely forget
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Agree with Marillac's prior post. We definitely need to toughen up on the boards. I hate a weak rebounding team.
absolutely. To be bottom or damn well near bottom of the league in rebounds is ridiculous. I think it was Marillac that put up a stat that we were in the 200's in the entire NCAA. That's pathetic
Also ok we were missing Lovett but where were we as far as assists ? So much standing around this year our assist numbers had to be pathetic also I'd think
6'11 Owens, 6'5 Simon with a 7'3 wingspan, 6'7 Ahmed, 6'9 Alibegovic, and 6'7 235 Marvin Clark ranked #272 out of 351 teams for offensive rebounding and #220 for total rebounding.
6'6 (lets give him the two inches) Anthony Glover, 6'6 Eric King, 6'9 Kyle Cuffe, and 6'7 Grady Reynolds led the entire country in offensive rebounds. Kansas was #2 with 11 less and played four more games.
Let that sink in. Kyle Cuffe played 26 minutes and averaged 2.6 offensive boards with 2.9 defensive boards. Grady Reynolds played 19 minutes and averaged 2.4 offensive rebounds with 2.6 defensive. Justin Simon has more defensive rebounds than those two combined at 5.9 but only 1.2 offensive boards per game in 36 minutes. Marvin Clark had 3.5 defensive board per game and just 1.2 offensive in 31 minutes. Owens had 4.3 defensive and just 1.6 offensive in 30 minutes. Even Bash, who has it in his nature to be relentless on the glass only averaged 1.6.
This needs immediate attention. There is no reason why a kid killing down 6 defensive boards as a freaking guard can't pull down 3.5-4.0 offensive boards. There is no reason why Clark can't match Cuffe with more minutes played.
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BTW What did Kitchen do after SJU ? I completely forget
Ended up at Florida State (after a one year JUCO stint).
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Earlington is the kind of player we always recruited to do the dirty work for the first round draft picks we had virtually every year. I think he'll be a fine player...although I admit I never saw him play.
I don't understand the mantra that Mullin/Richmond and company are fun to play for. Why are so many players leaving? That's what's pushing me off the Mullin bandwagon. Kentucky/Duke etc have one and done's leaving for the NBA. We have players leaving for the "Morby Techs" of the world. Forget the mediocre at best recruiting. We can't even keep the three star players we have. Until Mullin figures out a way to stop the bleeding, we'll be writing how Earlington jumped ship to play at Ramapo College because he wanted to be "closer to home".
Right now, we are at rock bottom. We're even worse than the Norm years. Sad.
This year did not go as planned. But worse than norm years no way! We had an exciting team this year. We went 0-11 to start BE play which is unbelievable. A few of those games we were thoroughly out played, a few of them we were clearly the worse team and a few of them we got some really bad breaks. We win 2 of those and we’re an nit team who’s bringing back next years BE POY. Retain ponds and this is nowhere near rock bottom IMO.
Before the 06-07 season was even underway the program lost Doug Wiggins to Uconn, Derwin Kitchen to academics and Rob Thomas to the worst ACL injury I’ve ever read about. How would a starting 5 of the following panned out that season?
Kitchen - PG
Wiggins - SG
Thomas - SF
Calhoun - PF
Hamilton - C
With a bench of Hill, Geno, Mason, Spears and Jasuloines.
I’d expect that team to have made the NIT. Norm wasn’t just an awful coach. He was unlucky, too.
I find it telling that Mullin’s team in his 3rd season is eerily familiar to Norm’s in his 3rd season. This season started with a lot of promise. Then, after the team lost LoVett and Ponds was injured and playing through pain, it collapsed.
There was absolutely hope, but it was short lived. There needs to be more than just Shamorie. I’m willing to bet anybody that the program isn’t getting more than two more seasons out of him. That means that we need other players who can play. We can’t count on one guy to be the entire team.
That team would have turned out horribly like every other Norm team. What makes you think Norm is the kind of coach that can win with freshman and sophs? Thomas was a very good player at one point but he ate himself out of basketball shape and that was more of a detriment than his knee injury.
The year before: Jermaine Maybank did nothing for us and then played 14 mpg for a 26 win Kansas State team. Aaron Spears was 4th year junior and top 100 receuit that played for a very good Illinois tournament team for two seasons. Cedric Jackson was a soph who played in the MBA and led Cleveland State to an awesome tournament win and Norm didn't value him (like Brownlee and Hardy). Lamont Hamilton was a Jr and all-conference the following year. Mason Jr. was a freshman and a top 75 recruit. Dexter Gray, Ryan Williams, and Geno Lawrence were all solid and sophs or older and Showtime played 16 games. Norm was 12-15 and 5-11 in conference.
Let's never forget how awful he was.
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Agree with Marillac's prior post. We definitely need to toughen up on the boards. I hate a weak rebounding team.
absolutely. To be bottom or damn well near bottom of the league in rebounds is ridiculous. I think it was Marillac that put up a stat that we were in the 200's in the entire NCAA. That's pathetic
Also ok we were missing Lovett but where were we as far as assists ? So much standing around this year our assist numbers had to be pathetic also I'd think
6'11 Owens, 6'5 Simon with a 7'3 wingspan, 6'7 Ahmed, 6'9 Alibegovic, and 6'7 235 Marvin Clark ranked #272 out of 351 teams for offensive rebounding and #220 for total rebounding.
6'6 (lets give him the two inches) Anthony Glover, 6'6 Eric King, 6'9 Kyle Cuffe, and 6'7 Grady Reynolds led the entire country in offensive rebounds. Kansas was #2 with 11 less and played four more games.
Let that sink in. Kyle Cuffe played 26 minutes and averaged 2.6 offensive boards with 2.9 defensive boards. Grady Reynolds played 19 minutes and averaged 2.4 offensive rebounds with 2.6 defensive. Justin Simon has more defensive rebounds than those two combined at 5.9 but only 1.2 offensive boards per game in 36 minutes. Marvin Clark had 3.5 defensive board per game and just 1.2 offensive in 31 minutes. Owens had 4.3 defensive and just 1.6 offensive in 30 minutes. Even Bash, who has it in his nature to be relentless on the glass only averaged 1.6.
This needs immediate attention. There is no reason why a kid killing down 6 defensive boards as a freaking guard can't pull down 3.5-4.0 offensive boards. There is no reason why Clark can't match Cuffe with more minutes played.
yep those were the stats you put up last week. If that doesn't blow someones mind I dont know what will. It's beyond pathetic and the coaching staff should get pay but for that
How do we rank in assists ? can you get that stat for us also ?
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Agree with Marillac's prior post. We definitely need to toughen up on the boards. I hate a weak rebounding team.
absolutely. To be bottom or damn well near bottom of the league in rebounds is ridiculous. I think it was Marillac that put up a stat that we were in the 200's in the entire NCAA. That's pathetic
Also ok we were missing Lovett but where were we as far as assists ? So much standing around this year our assist numbers had to be pathetic also I'd think
6'11 Owens, 6'5 Simon with a 7'3 wingspan, 6'7 Ahmed, 6'9 Alibegovic, and 6'7 235 Marvin Clark ranked #272 out of 351 teams for offensive rebounding and #220 for total rebounding.
6'6 (lets give him the two inches) Anthony Glover, 6'6 Eric King, 6'9 Kyle Cuffe, and 6'7 Grady Reynolds led the entire country in offensive rebounds. Kansas was #2 with 11 less and played four more games.
Let that sink in. Kyle Cuffe played 26 minutes and averaged 2.6 offensive boards with 2.9 defensive boards. Grady Reynolds played 19 minutes and averaged 2.4 offensive rebounds with 2.6 defensive. Justin Simon has more defensive rebounds than those two combined at 5.9 but only 1.2 offensive boards per game in 36 minutes. Marvin Clark had 3.5 defensive board per game and just 1.2 offensive in 31 minutes. Owens had 4.3 defensive and just 1.6 offensive in 30 minutes. Even Bash, who has it in his nature to be relentless on the glass only averaged 1.6.
This needs immediate attention. There is no reason why a kid killing down 6 defensive boards as a freaking guard can't pull down 3.5-4.0 offensive boards. There is no reason why Clark can't match Cuffe with more minutes played.
yep those were the stats you put up last week. If that doesn't blow someones mind I dont know what will. It's beyond pathetic and the coaching staff should get pay but for that
How do we rank in assists ? can you get that stat for us also ?
We're in the 200's in assists. And the odd thing about the lack of offensive rebounds is we get beat back on defense more than those Jarvis teams ever did.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Earlington is the kind of player we always recruited to do the dirty work for the first round draft picks we had virtually every year. I think he'll be a fine player...although I admit I never saw him play.
I don't understand the mantra that Mullin/Richmond and company are fun to play for. Why are so many players leaving? That's what's pushing me off the Mullin bandwagon. Kentucky/Duke etc have one and done's leaving for the NBA. We have players leaving for the "Morby Techs" of the world. Forget the mediocre at best recruiting. We can't even keep the three star players we have. Until Mullin figures out a way to stop the bleeding, we'll be writing how Earlington jumped ship to play at Ramapo College because he wanted to be "closer to home".
Right now, we are at rock bottom. We're even worse than the Norm years. Sad.
This year did not go as planned. But worse than norm years no way! We had an exciting team this year. We went 0-11 to start BE play which is unbelievable. A few of those games we were thoroughly out played, a few of them we were clearly the worse team and a few of them we got some really bad breaks. We win 2 of those and we’re an nit team who’s bringing back next years BE POY. Retain ponds and this is nowhere near rock bottom IMO.
Before the 06-07 season was even underway the program lost Doug Wiggins to Uconn, Derwin Kitchen to academics and Rob Thomas to the worst ACL injury I’ve ever read about. How would a starting 5 of the following panned out that season?
Kitchen - PG
Wiggins - SG
Thomas - SF
Calhoun - PF
Hamilton - C
With a bench of Hill, Geno, Mason, Spears and Jasuloines.
I’d expect that team to have made the NIT. Norm wasn’t just an awful coach. He was unlucky, too.
I find it telling that Mullin’s team in his 3rd season is eerily familiar to Norm’s in his 3rd season. This season started with a lot of promise. Then, after the team lost LoVett and Ponds was injured and playing through pain, it collapsed.
There was absolutely hope, but it was short lived. There needs to be more than just Shamorie. I’m willing to bet anybody that the program isn’t getting more than two more seasons out of him. That means that we need other players who can play. We can’t count on one guy to be the entire team.
Thought Doug Wiggins was a different class. Kitchen was supposed to arrive with Avery Patterson and Larry weight. Norm had some bad breaks, he was the coach at St. John’s after all, still never felt confident he could get over the hump. CM hasn’t overly impressed me on the sidelines but I’m also not 100% writing him off. This year will say a lot.
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Earlington a total non-factor... this is what we are recruiting? I’m all for heart like the movie Rudy, but a 6’3 PF who is a non factor vs Naz Reid is a bit disconcerting as we need a lot more. Getting more and more annoyed with what we are having to deal with here.. We need real talent and we aren’t landing it.
Earlington is the kind of player we always recruited to do the dirty work for the first round draft picks we had virtually every year. I think he'll be a fine player...although I admit I never saw him play.
I don't understand the mantra that Mullin/Richmond and company are fun to play for. Why are so many players leaving? That's what's pushing me off the Mullin bandwagon. Kentucky/Duke etc have one and done's leaving for the NBA. We have players leaving for the "Morby Techs" of the world. Forget the mediocre at best recruiting. We can't even keep the three star players we have. Until Mullin figures out a way to stop the bleeding, we'll be writing how Earlington jumped ship to play at Ramapo College because he wanted to be "closer to home".
Right now, we are at rock bottom. We're even worse than the Norm years. Sad.
This year did not go as planned. But worse than norm years no way! We had an exciting team this year. We went 0-11 to start BE play which is unbelievable. A few of those games we were thoroughly out played, a few of them we were clearly the worse team and a few of them we got some really bad breaks. We win 2 of those and we’re an nit team who’s bringing back next years BE POY. Retain ponds and this is nowhere near rock bottom IMO.
Before the 06-07 season was even underway the program lost Doug Wiggins to Uconn, Derwin Kitchen to academics and Rob Thomas to the worst ACL injury I’ve ever read about. How would a starting 5 of the following panned out that season?
Kitchen - PG
Wiggins - SG
Thomas - SF
Calhoun - PF
Hamilton - C
With a bench of Hill, Geno, Mason, Spears and Jasuloines.
I’d expect that team to have made the NIT. Norm wasn’t just an awful coach. He was unlucky, too.
I find it telling that Mullin’s team in his 3rd season is eerily familiar to Norm’s in his 3rd season. This season started with a lot of promise. Then, after the team lost LoVett and Ponds was injured and playing through pain, it collapsed.
There was absolutely hope, but it was short lived. There needs to be more than just Shamorie. I’m willing to bet anybody that the program isn’t getting more than two more seasons out of him. That means that we need other players who can play. We can’t count on one guy to be the entire team.
after all this time I forgot about that year erased from my memory my 10+ years of bronx pale ales. That was the year Norm could have turned the tide. Oh man I remember the Rob Thomas injury though. That one was devastating.
And he was unlucky. Ultimately though winners either get lucky or create there own luck. You have a much better chance creating your own luck recruiting having multiple guys recruiting
BTW What did Kitchen do after SJU ? I completely forget
Kitchen went to JUCO and then to Florida State, and he was a major player I recall in a big win.
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Congrats to Marcellus Earlington and Ron Harper Jr. on being named second team all-state players! Two great players getting the recognition they deserve. @realdealcellus @ron_harper32
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Signed.
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/041218aaa.html
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Bump...So how many thought this kid was going to contribute this year?
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Bump...So how many thought this kid was going to contribute this year?
Thought he might contribute to STJU bringing back football.
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Nice kid, but no one should of expected anything from him. Undersized and not talented enough for the big east. Kid should of been a preferred walk on and staff should brought in a true big on scholarship, even if another raw kid.
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Earlington is clearly in way over his head. This may be a case of Mullin doing a favor to someone, not really sure.
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Bump...So how many thought this kid was going to contribute this year?
Thanks for the timely bump junior Jimmy Olsen. Here are the most positive assessment I found of 2 star recruiting project ME going back to last January. Beyond that I can't be arsed.
"I’m not expecting much from Earlington"
"a chance to be a 4 year contributor "
"Not everyone has to be a star"
"it's possible he turns into a solid role player down the line"
"maybe he'll develop quicker than expected. "
"he may develop into a good complementary player"
"Earlington may be of help his junior season"
So to recap, no one "thought this kid was going to contribute this year." Not. one. single. person. Probably because no one had ever seen him play. Most of the arguments centered around how tall he was and whether that was tall enough to be a basketball player. So to recap: it seems that you've once again out-stupided yourself. Great Caesar's ghost!
OTOH, ME had 2 points and a rebound in 3 minutes of play last night which translates over 40 minutes carry the one to 27 points and 12 rebounds a game, which are all american numbers. So maybe we should wait another three minutes before throwing him on the garbage heap.
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Just saw thus guy play a little. Unfortunately not a BiG East Player. Low Division I to Division II player
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Just saw thus guy play a little. Unfortunately not a BiG East Player. Low Division I to Division II player
Thanks for the hot take garbage time guru. Any other players you've seen play for seven minutes that you want to critique?
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It's no real knock on the player. He probably is a good player, just not on the Big East level. More a knock on the recruiting more than anything. There are minutes available for centers and forwards on this team so it's a bit telling that he gets very very little opportunity. I would love to see him do well but I just don't see him lasting four years. Just the way it is.
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It's no real knock on the player. He probably is a good player, just not on the Big East level. More a knock on the recruiting more than anything. There are minutes available for centers and forwards on this team so it's a bit telling that he gets very very little opportunity. I would love to see him do well but I just don't see him lasting four years. Just the way it is.
Freshman big men outside the top 25 should never play unless it's to get them experience. Big men come along much more slowly than guards. A kid like Earlington was never going to be good as a freshman. He has the ability to be a good glue guy down the line, playing 3-5.
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Another comp for you: Greedy Peterson from Providence. 6'5 240 and averaged 19.6 and 10.2 (4.5 offensive!) as a junior PF in the old Big East. He only played two seasons and was not a top 150 recruit.
Good job all thread on this one babe. Don't let them get to you about Champagnie. You were off early sure, but you came around hard before the season started.
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What? He is a solid pickup but was considered a reach when he was signed.
If he plays a lot for Rutgers next year it's because Rutgers is in serious trouble which they usually are anyway
A really good player is not someone who may develop in a few years, a really goid player is someone who can earn minutes on a really good team immediately as a freshman. A great player is so one who can be a potential starter for a good or really good team immediately.
Ellington may help but he may need a few years to develop. This team needs help now.
Harper Jr. averaged 12.1 and 5.8 on 45.2% from the field. So....wrong again.