Chosen as Mr. Basketball in Louisiana as a juniorHe's a major match-up problem at this level.
Gathers projects as one of the nation's top overall prospects in 2011-12 and says his recruitment remains wide open, with schools such as LSU, St. John's, Baylor, Oregon, Kansas, Texas, Arizona, California, Syracuse, Connecticut, Duke, North Carolina and Kentucky being considered.
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/article/Gathers-selected-as-Mr-Basketball-1319847.php#ixzz1IV1qpqAZ (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/article/Gathers-selected-as-Mr-Basketball-1319847.php#ixzz1IV1qpqAZ)
Someone dropped Corliss Williamson on Twitter as a comparison today.
Per Scout (premium article)....
Gathers has major attention
When it comes to strength and athleticism very few can top Ricardo Gathers. The power forward has a lot of high level schools chasing him, and could narrow down his list in the next few months.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=2&c=1063329&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fscouthoops.scout.com%2f2%2f1063329.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=2&c=1063329&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fscouthoops.scout.com%2f2%2f1063329.html)
I'm sure Moose (or someone else) could give us a synopsis of the article.
Per Scout (premium article)....
Gathers has major attention
When it comes to strength and athleticism very few can top Ricardo Gathers. The power forward has a lot of high level schools chasing him, and could narrow down his list in the next few months.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=2&c=1063329&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fscouthoops.scout.com%2f2%2f1063329.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=2&c=1063329&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fscouthoops.scout.com%2f2%2f1063329.html)
I'm sure Moose (or someone else) could give us a synopsis of the article.
Sorry not subscribed to Scout anymore. Thought Rivals ran circles around them.
Key part:
When it comes to recruiting there are a lot of schools showing him attention. At the moment his list isn't narrowed down and it is full of heavy hitters.
“St. John’s, Baylor, LSU, Florida, Texas, Kansas, Syracuse, and West Virginia,” Gathers listed as the schools showing him the most attention.
http://eye-on-college-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/28493977 (http://eye-on-college-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/28493977)
Head to head with Norm already! LOL :)
Does everyone have the same feeling I have when it comes to Anderson and Gathers?
That theyll both be here come 2012 along with Jevon?
Lavin is a professional recruiter
Does everyone have the same feeling I have when it comes to Anderson and Gathers?
That theyll both be here come 2012 along with Jevon?
Lavin is a professional recruiter
I'm starting to get that feeling, Mase.
More stuff on Lavin and Gathers from Telep:
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/blog?name=telep_dave&id=6396341&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2fblog%3fname%3dtelep_dave%26id%3d6396341 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/blog?name=telep_dave&id=6396341&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2fblog%3fname%3dtelep_dave%26id%3d6396341)
Gathers visiting unofficially May 12th per Zags tweet.
Lavin working his magic again.
Gathers visiting unofficially May 12th per Zags tweet.
Lavin working his magic again.
I was so worried this past year of a limit on officials and so many ships we might get caught. Boy was I wrong. Did half our recruits even visit officially? Heck some did AFTER we already had their commit.
Gathers visiting unofficially May 12th per Zags tweet.
Lavin working his magic again.
I was so worried this past year of a limit on officials and so many ships we might get caught. Boy was I wrong. Did half our recruits even visit officially? Heck some did AFTER we already had their commit.
JaKarr only visited during the Skills Camp. He got an in-home with Lavin however. Pelle visited both in the Skills and then officially on Midnight Madness then committed. He also got an in-home. Garrett visited both ways as well joining Pelle at MM then committed. Harrison visited unofficially and then got a in-home. He committed just before he was taking his official also on MM and then took it. Greene visited officially in January committing then. GG just visited officially as well.
Lindsey not 100% sure. Harkless did not need to visit officially as he practically lives on campus.
Gathers is a bull. This team with the addition of Gathers would go far.
JaKarr only visited during the Skills Camp. He got an in-home with Lavin however. Pelle visited both in the Skills and then officially on Midnight Madness then committed. He also got an in-home. Garrett visited both ways as well joining Pelle at MM then committed. Harrison visited unofficially and then got a in-home. He committed just before he was taking his official also on MM and then took it. Greene visited officially in January committing then. GG just visited officially as well.
Lindsey not 100% sure. Harkless did not need to visit officially as he practically lives on campus.
JaKarr only visited during the Skills Camp. He got an in-home with Lavin however. Pelle visited both in the Skills and then officially on Midnight Madness then committed. He also got an in-home. Garrett visited both ways as well joining Pelle at MM then committed. Harrison visited unofficially and then got a in-home. He committed just before he was taking his official also on MM and then took it. Greene visited officially in January committing then. GG just visited officially as well.
Lindsey not 100% sure. Harkless did not need to visit officially as he practically lives on campus.
Not to nitpick, but Pelle and Garrett didn't visit during Midnight Madness. They were on an official visit during the Johnnies scrimmage and committed shortly thereafter. Garrett took an unofficial to St. John's in June, if I'm not mistaken. Lindsey visited the Johnnies during Midnight Madness.
As, for Gathers committing on his unofficiat, rdstr.... I doubt it, but NOTHING would shock me with this staff. They get things done!
Is Midnight Madness considered an official?
Not to purposely use another Pitt player as a comparison, but he reminds me a heck of a lot of former Pitt player DeJuan Blair. Gathers is being called "undersized" as a 6'7" PF but how many guys with his strength and bulk are able to dribble in the open court like he can with the face-up moves he has? Not many. He is a PF that really fits well into our running scheme, and has the quickness to move on both the defensive and offensive ends of the court. We had an undersized PF named Anthony Glover who was pretty good for us. This kid is a bit taller than Glover with more tools.
Not to purposely use another Pitt player as a comparison, but he reminds me a heck of a lot of former Pitt player DeJuan Blair. Gathers is being called "undersized" as a 6'7" PF but how many guys with his strength and bulk are able to dribble in the open court like he can with the face-up moves he has? Not many. He is a PF that really fits well into our running scheme, and has the quickness to move on both the defensive and offensive ends of the court. We had an undersized PF named Anthony Glover who was pretty good for us. This kid is a bit taller than Glover with more tools.
I said it somewhere either here or Jungle. He's a more explosive and taller version of Glover.
Blair had extrememly long arms though. something gathers lacks accorinding to espn. I see the comparison though. Craigh smith and Brandon Bass come to mind as well. All three of them were great college players
Gathers is probably more athletic moose, but i wouldnt say smith was a bad athlete
Zags confirmed with Gathers he is due on campus on Thursday:
@AdamZagoria
Adam Zagoria
Ricardo Gathers, the No. 10 PF in the Class of 2012 from Riverside, La., confirmed by text he'll visit St. John's Thursday. #stjbb
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/AdamZagoria/status/68094903720218624
Do you think that Coach Lavin would accept Gathers verbal if it was offered or do you believe that
Lavin wants to keep his options opened through the summer observation period?
Thanks
Alex Kline also confirms that Gather's is at St. John's today:
"2012 forward Ricardo Gathers of Riverside Academy (LA) is currently on an unofficial visit to St. John's"
http://twitter.com/#!/TheRecruitScoop/status/68709385253294080 (http://twitter.com/#!/TheRecruitScoop/status/68709385253294080)
Do you think that Coach Lavin would accept Gathers verbal if it was offered or do you believe that
Lavin wants to keep his options opened through the summer observation period?
Thanks
Gathers is 1 of 3 targets for St. John's. The other being Kyle Anderson and Jevon Thomas.Can Jevon still be a target if he already committed ? I guess until the ink is dry anything is possible
Theo tweeted that Gathers is making a guest appearance and playing with Juice at is8 this weekend.
Theo tweeted that Gathers is making a guest appearance and playing with Juice at is8 this weekend.
So on the same weekend a major 2012 target is visiting all of these out-of-town 2011 recruits (Sampson, Pointer, Garrett) along with NY area guys Harkless and Thomas are also in Queens playing at IS8 allowing Gathers to hang out and ball with possible future teammates???
Can't draw it up better then that.
Theo tweeted that Gathers is making a guest appearance and playing with Juice at is8 this weekend.
So on the same weekend a major 2012 target is visiting all of these out-of-town 2011 recruits (Sampson, Pointer, Garrett) along with NY area guys Harkless and Thomas are also in Queens playing at IS8 allowing Gathers to hang out and ball with possible future teammates???
Can't draw it up better then that.
Here's an interview with Gathers from yesterday. I couldn't quite tell but it sounds like he said he will probably make his decision by next Sunday.
Gathers is 1 of 3 targets for St. John's. The other being Kyle Anderson and Jevon Thomas.Can Jevon still be a target if he already committed ? I guess until the ink is dry anything is possible
Lavin has nothing to do with it. This is the way IS8 has operated for years of bringing out of town ringers. Just so happens that St. John's is actually landing these ringers as to years past it was WVU, Pitt, UConn
All the stars just really lined up with these guys playing and Gathers being in town too.
Lavin has nothing to do with it. This is the way IS8 has operated for years of bringing out of town ringers. Just so happens that St. John's is actually landing these ringers as to years past it was WVU, Pitt, UConn
All the stars just really lined up with these guys playing and Gathers being in town too.
Ringers have been used forever at IS8, but I think it is a bit naive to think that Lavin has NOTHING to do with this. How would a coach even know that Gathers was on a visit or get his contact info?
How big of a recruiting advantage is IS8 (with a visionary like Lavin) for us to you guys think? This is a free trip for a kid to come see campus without using an official.
Lavin has nothing to do with it. This is the way IS8 has operated for years of bringing out of town ringers. Just so happens that St. John's is actually landing these ringers as to years past it was WVU, Pitt, UConn
All the stars just really lined up with these guys playing and Gathers being in town too.
Ringers have been used forever at IS8, but I think it is a bit naive to think that Lavin has NOTHING to do with this. How would a coach even know that Gathers was on a visit or get his contact info?
How big of a recruiting advantage is IS8 (with a visionary like Lavin) for us to you guys think? This is a free trip for a kid to come see campus without using an official.
Boy, I guess no one knows how Gathers' visit went. Not even Rivals with a hastily written "interview".
Well, yes, there's that. Someone needs to take over the St. John's Rivals site, carry out a coup.Boy, I guess no one knows how Gathers' visit went. Not even Rivals with a hastily written "interview".
Rivals is so behind the times they don't even have him listing us.
really couldnt ask for a better three man class than Anderson gathers and jevon.
It seems like a legit possibility as well.
really couldnt ask for a better three man class than Anderson gathers and jevon.
It seems like a legit possibility as well.
Maybe I'm greedy, but I'd love a class of Jevon, Gathers, Anderson and Bernardi if we come up with anoth schollie somewhere. That class is amazingly versatile, with a bruiser PF, dynamic point forward, stud PG and a gunner.
really couldnt ask for a better three man class than Anderson gathers and jevon.
It seems like a legit possibility as well.
Maybe I'm greedy, but I'd love a class of Jevon, Gathers, Anderson and Bernardi if we come up with anoth schollie somewhere. That class is amazingly versatile, with a bruiser PF, dynamic point forward, stud PG and a gunner.
And let me guess- you want McGary too :)
I've questioned this kid and whether we should pursue, but you can't argue with those type of numbers right there. But how is he getting his offense? Is he just being a bull? Will that work in college?
I've questioned this kid and whether we should pursue, but you can't argue with those type of numbers right there. But how is he getting his offense? Is he just being a bull? Will that work in college?
I think he matched up against Coleman to get those numbers.
I've questioned this kid and whether we should pursue, but you can't argue with those type of numbers right there. But how is he getting his offense? Is he just being a bull? Will that work in college?
I think he matched up against Coleman to get those numbers.
More on Gathers from Arizona's scout.com site:
Ricardo Gathers- Gathers was matched up against Albany City Rock and Dejuan Coleman in his second game, and the matchup certainly did not disappoint. Gathers had major problems stopping Coleman in the paint, and was equally ineffective trying to post up Coleman on the offensive end and for the first half Coleman dominated the matchup.
In the second half however, it was a completely different story for Gathers. He stopped trying to post up Coleman and instead started to attack him off the dribble, which led to easy basket after easy basket for him. Defensively, he was more active fronting Coleman and definitely had the better second half of the two players.
Gathers is an ultra-athletic post player whose strength is likely unmatched by anyone on the circuit. When he plays within himself and attacks the basket, there will be few players that will be able to stop him from reaching the rim and getting buckets.
http://arizona.scout.com/2/1075511.html (http://arizona.scout.com/2/1075511.html)
Rivals recap of Ricardo at the LA edition of EYBL-
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857)
Ricardo Gathers, PF, Louisiana Select- Bottom line, Gathers puts up big numbers each and every time he takes the court. Everybody knows about his strength and athleticism, but perhaps his skill has been a bit underrated and he's definitely one of the toughest competitors in the country. The powerfully built Louisiana native finished his weekend with 26 and 15 despite being constantly double- and triple-teamed, and mauled around the basket.
Rivals recap of Ricardo at the LA edition of EYBL-
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857)
Ricardo Gathers, PF, Louisiana Select- Bottom line, Gathers puts up big numbers each and every time he takes the court. Everybody knows about his strength and athleticism, but perhaps his skill has been a bit underrated and he's definitely one of the toughest competitors in the country. The powerfully built Louisiana native finished his weekend with 26 and 15 despite being constantly double- and triple-teamed, and mauled around the basket.
Gathers is all but locked up. I don't want to say he's coming yet but I'd be shocked if he doesn't commit by sometime in July. St. John's fans can confidently await Gathers' word.
I'd focus all attention on Kyle Anderson as the last piece.
Rivals recap of Ricardo at the LA edition of EYBL-
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857)
Ricardo Gathers, PF, Louisiana Select- Bottom line, Gathers puts up big numbers each and every time he takes the court. Everybody knows about his strength and athleticism, but perhaps his skill has been a bit underrated and he's definitely one of the toughest competitors in the country. The powerfully built Louisiana native finished his weekend with 26 and 15 despite being constantly double- and triple-teamed, and mauled around the basket.
Apparently he does not shoot free throws very well though.
Gathers is all but locked up. I don't want to say he's coming yet but I'd be shocked if he doesn't commit by sometime in July. St. John's fans can confidently await Gathers' word.
I'd focus all attention on Kyle Anderson as the last piece.
Rivals recap of Ricardo at the LA edition of EYBL-
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857)
Ricardo Gathers, PF, Louisiana Select- Bottom line, Gathers puts up big numbers each and every time he takes the court. Everybody knows about his strength and athleticism, but perhaps his skill has been a bit underrated and he's definitely one of the toughest competitors in the country. The powerfully built Louisiana native finished his weekend with 26 and 15 despite being constantly double- and triple-teamed, and mauled around the basket.
Apparently he does not shoot free throws very well though.
?
Gathers is all but locked up. I don't want to say he's coming yet but I'd be shocked if he doesn't commit by sometime in July. St. John's fans can confidently await Gathers' word.
I'd focus all attention on Kyle Anderson as the last piece.
Gathers is all but locked up. I don't want to say he's coming yet but I'd be shocked if he doesn't commit by sometime in July. St. John's fans can confidently await Gathers' word.
I'd focus all attention on Kyle Anderson as the last piece.
Lot of buzz that he gave a silent on his visit. Would be slightly worried if he went to Texas.
BTW-Dave a few months ago you were convinced KA would not be a Johnnie despite the fact that SJU was consistently being mentioned as one of his top schools. Are you convinced now that it could happen especially if SJU pushes hard enough for the kid?
Gathers is all but locked up. I don't want to say he's coming yet but I'd be shocked if he doesn't commit by sometime in July. St. John's fans can confidently await Gathers' word.
I'd focus all attention on Kyle Anderson as the last piece.
Lot of buzz that he gave a silent on his visit. Would be slightly worried if he went to Texas.
BTW-Dave a few months ago you were convinced KA would not be a Johnnie despite the fact that SJU was consistently being mentioned as one of his top schools. Are you convinced now that it could happen especially if SJU pushes hard enough for the kid?
It's possible. Some things that I thought Rutgers was going to do has changed, Seton Hall has no chance imo no matter how hard they try.
It's becoming more realistic than I thought about a month ago with scholarship situation and the staff can invest all of their time into KA. If the staff can't close on him in early signing period than I think they could drop off him and get another PG leaving him out in the cold.
I could see Georgetown making a solid run at him. I'm fairly certain that his AAU teammate Myles Davis will wind up there.
Gathers is all but locked up. I don't want to say he's coming yet but I'd be shocked if he doesn't commit by sometime in July. St. John's fans can confidently await Gathers' word.
I'd focus all attention on Kyle Anderson as the last piece.
Lot of buzz that he gave a silent on his visit. Would be slightly worried if he went to Texas.
BTW-Dave a few months ago you were convinced KA would not be a Johnnie despite the fact that SJU was consistently being mentioned as one of his top schools. Are you convinced now that it could happen especially if SJU pushes hard enough for the kid?
It's possible. Some things that I thought Rutgers was going to do has changed, Seton Hall has no chance imo no matter how hard they try.
It's becoming more realistic than I thought about a month ago with scholarship situation and the staff can invest all of their time into KA. If the staff can't close on him in early signing period than I think they could drop off him and get another PG leaving him out in the cold.
I could see Georgetown making a solid run at him. I'm fairly certain that his AAU teammate Myles Davis will wind up there.
It will come down to us and Gtown with SHU getting the 'mention' like we used to get the last 6 yrs.
Meant huge if true
If the staff can't close on him in early signing period than I think they could drop off him and get another PG leaving him out in the cold.
If the staff can't close on him in early signing period than I think they could drop off him and get another PG leaving him out in the cold.
And all this time I thought Jevon Thomas was a PG...
So when are our insiders going to tell us the real scoop with Thomas?
Rivals recap of Ricardo at the LA edition of EYBL-
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857)
Ricardo Gathers, PF, Louisiana Select- Bottom line, Gathers puts up big numbers each and every time he takes the court. Everybody knows about his strength and athleticism, but perhaps his skill has been a bit underrated and he's definitely one of the toughest competitors in the country. The powerfully built Louisiana native finished his weekend with 26 and 15 despite being constantly double- and triple-teamed, and mauled around the basket.
I should get a chance to see him play in another month, as his AAU team advanced to the Peach Jam. Gathers is a freakin' bull!
He shoots Shaq level free throws. Posted on the Rumble this AM about Gathers... he also is taking too many threes (20 of them. He made 1 in the 3 EYBL sessions): http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2011/5/31/2199110/st-johns-recruiting-tracker-ricardo-gathers-nike-eybl (http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2011/5/31/2199110/st-johns-recruiting-tracker-ricardo-gathers-nike-eybl)Rivals recap of Ricardo at the LA edition of EYBL-
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857)
Ricardo Gathers, PF, Louisiana Select- Bottom line, Gathers puts up big numbers each and every time he takes the court. Everybody knows about his strength and athleticism, but perhaps his skill has been a bit underrated and he's definitely one of the toughest competitors in the country. The powerfully built Louisiana native finished his weekend with 26 and 15 despite being constantly double- and triple-teamed, and mauled around the basket.
Apparently he does not shoot free throws very well though.
?
Eric Bossi of Rivals noted that his EYBL numbers would be that much better if he shot FT's better. Apparently he is under 50% for EYBL.
Rivals recap of Ricardo at the LA edition of EYBL-
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857)
Ricardo Gathers, PF, Louisiana Select- Bottom line, Gathers puts up big numbers each and every time he takes the court. Everybody knows about his strength and athleticism, but perhaps his skill has been a bit underrated and he's definitely one of the toughest competitors in the country. The powerfully built Louisiana native finished his weekend with 26 and 15 despite being constantly double- and triple-teamed, and mauled around the basket.
MJ, you have the Peach Jam locked down every year. I look forward to your report back to us.
I should get a chance to see him play in another month, as his AAU team advanced to the Peach Jam. Gathers is a freakin' bull!
If the staff can't close on him in early signing period than I think they could drop off him and get another PG leaving him out in the cold.
And all this time I thought Jevon Thomas was a PG...
So when are our insiders going to tell us the real scoop with Thomas?
If the staff can't close on him in early signing period than I think they could drop off him and get another PG leaving him out in the cold.
And all this time I thought Jevon Thomas was a PG...
So when are our insiders going to tell us the real scoop with Thomas?
This team could use more than 1 PG on the roster. If Nuri doesn't go pro which he is being pushed to do then they could still use another PG as Stith will be graduating.
Rivals recap of Ricardo at the LA edition of EYBL-
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857)
Ricardo Gathers, PF, Louisiana Select- Bottom line, Gathers puts up big numbers each and every time he takes the court. Everybody knows about his strength and athleticism, but perhaps his skill has been a bit underrated and he's definitely one of the toughest competitors in the country. The powerfully built Louisiana native finished his weekend with 26 and 15 despite being constantly double- and triple-teamed, and mauled around the basket.
MJ, you have the Peach Jam locked down every year. I look forward to your report back to us.
I should get a chance to see him play in another month, as his AAU team advanced to the Peach Jam. Gathers is a freakin' bull!
No doubt, purist! Thanks, as well. I'm definitely looking forward to it.
Dink
Here is the field I think-
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857)
The teams qualifying for July's Peach Jam are Team Takeover, Oakland Soldiers, Spiece Indy Heat, Louisiana Select, Albany City Rocks, Howard Pulley, BABC, Memphis YOMCA, Mac Irvin Fire, All Ohio Red, Team Texas Titans, The Family, Mean Streets, CIA Bounce, Playaz BBC, Georgia Stars, All Iowa Attack, Boo Williams, Athlete's First, Houston Hoops, Baltimore Elite, CP3, California Supreme and the Southern Kings Gold.
Dink
Here is the field I think-
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857)
The teams qualifying for July's Peach Jam are Team Takeover, Oakland Soldiers, Spiece Indy Heat, Louisiana Select, Albany City Rocks, Howard Pulley, BABC, Memphis YOMCA, Mac Irvin Fire, All Ohio Red, Team Texas Titans, The Family, Mean Streets, CIA Bounce, Playaz BBC, Georgia Stars, All Iowa Attack, Boo Williams, Athlete's First, Houston Hoops, Baltimore Elite, CP3, California Supreme and the Southern Kings Gold.
Yes, I saw the field on yesterday, Moose. Nevertheless, appreciate it.
Dink
Here is the field I think-
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857)
The teams qualifying for July's Peach Jam are Team Takeover, Oakland Soldiers, Spiece Indy Heat, Louisiana Select, Albany City Rocks, Howard Pulley, BABC, Memphis YOMCA, Mac Irvin Fire, All Ohio Red, Team Texas Titans, The Family, Mean Streets, CIA Bounce, Playaz BBC, Georgia Stars, All Iowa Attack, Boo Williams, Athlete's First, Houston Hoops, Baltimore Elite, CP3, California Supreme and the Southern Kings Gold.
Yes, I saw the field on yesterday, Moose. Nevertheless, appreciate it.
So in addition to Gathers what other targets are on those teams?
Dink
Here is the field I think-
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1226857)
The teams qualifying for July's Peach Jam are Team Takeover, Oakland Soldiers, Spiece Indy Heat, Louisiana Select, Albany City Rocks, Howard Pulley, BABC, Memphis YOMCA, Mac Irvin Fire, All Ohio Red, Team Texas Titans, The Family, Mean Streets, CIA Bounce, Playaz BBC, Georgia Stars, All Iowa Attack, Boo Williams, Athlete's First, Houston Hoops, Baltimore Elite, CP3, California Supreme and the Southern Kings Gold.
Yes, I saw the field on yesterday, Moose. Nevertheless, appreciate it.
So in addition to Gathers what other targets are on those teams?
I believe Playaz BBC is actually the NJ Playaz. So, that would mean Kyle Anderson would be the only other 2012 target at the Peach Jam. I see the Gauchos and MetroHawks didn't make it, as I was hoping to see Thomas and Bernardi.
Saw him last night. Kid is a beast. A mack truck on a pogo stick. That is all I will say for now. ;)
Saw him last night. Kid is a beast. A mack truck on a pogo stick. That is all I will say for now. ;)
I was at John Jay today for Gathers' afternoon game. All I can say is, I should be banned for posting a couple of weeks ago for saying I would take Bernardi over him and calling him a dime a dozen. He may be the most impressive physical specimen I have ever seen in high school basketball up close. The combination of strength, speed and athleticism is downright scary. Today he was a man against boys. There were kids on the other team that literally were running away from him as he came down the lane to dunk.
I'd say he's taller than 6'6. I won't give him 6'8 but hes more towards 6'8 than 6'6. He's great in the open court. Very nimble feet, very good at filling the lane and finishing. Once he gets a head of steam, its pretty much over. His acceleration in the open court is amazing for his size. He showed a decent handle in the open court for a guy his size. Had his head down once or twice and just bulled his way there, but he's so explosive it's like a runaway train. He's very good at going after the ball on the glass, with 2 hands. Offensively, other than alley-oops and lay-ups, he did flash a nice jump hook. Didn't face up too much. Missed a jumper from about the foul line, and missed his only three point attempt. But he does make nice quick moves when he gets the ball. His greatest strength is in the pick and roll. He sets a great screen and really comes off it nicely going towards the hoop. Put him in pick and roll and he will be a problem. Missed all his foul shots. Not terrible form, I think he can be respectable from the line if he keeps practicing. The way he attacks the rim, he'll get to the line a lot so he needs to improve.
I'd love to have him. He's a ridiculous athlete, and with our staff coaching this kid up, it will only improve his game. My only concern would be seeing how he would fare against height. College guys won't make it so easy for him. The opposing team today had nobody taller than him or even close strength wise. Also, just his ability to develop a little more of an offensive game away from the basket. A little consistent jumper would be nice. He won't just be able to dominate in college with brute strength and force every night.
But sign this kid up Coach Lav. He would tear Garden rims down.
At this point, is it one or the other with Gathers and Anderson or can we get both of them?
Good reports to hear. From all accounts he needs a little work but good to hear his FT form isn't completely effed... that was a worry looking at his FT stats.
Can he grab others' rebounds, or are his offensive rebounds just off of his own missed shots?
Here's NBE's Write up on Gathers from This weekend.
Ricardo Gathers (Franchise All Stars 2012) – Gathers is one of the most physically imposing players in the country standing at 6’7” and 240 pounds. He looks more like an NFL linebacker than a high school basketball player and also has some serious hops to go along with his physicality. A power forward for most of his high school career, Gathers has started to expand his game to the perimeter showing the ability to handle in the open court and beat his defender off the dribble. He even buried an open 3 pointer in the silver championship game but his shooting stroke seems to have a bit of a hitch and needs work. Gathers should be an impact player as a freshman at whichever high-major program he chooses because he will step in and be one of the strongest players in college basketball right away.
Gathers might be here way sooner than expected.
Gathers might be here way sooner than expected.i hope its cus he said something we dk not just like u guessing lol
Gathers might be here way sooner than expected.i hope its cus he said something we dk not just like u guessing lol
Gathers graduating early? We can use him now!well he didnt say he even say he commited to us lol
Gathers graduating early? We can use him now!well he didnt say he even say he commited to us lol
i read it that way too baldi
Gathers might be here way sooner than expected.i hope its cus he said something we dk not just like u guessing lol
I will the first to say you had it first if he comes.. but please don't make this another MOMO like scoop.
what did u hear that u know hes coming...or what can u say right nowGathers might be here way sooner than expected.i hope its cus he said something we dk not just like u guessing lol
I will the first to say you had it first if he comes.. but please don't make this another MOMO like scoop.
I don't have control over what happens. I report things as they come in. Things change sometimes quicker than other times.
As for Momo I said when it was premature to say he was coming here, then he was coming here believe me Lavin wanted it, then things took a 180. This is a crazy business things change quicker than some people realize.
Gathers will be coming to St. John's its just a question of when.
what did u hear that u know hes coming...or what can u say right nowGathers might be here way sooner than expected.i hope its cus he said something we dk not just like u guessing lol
I will the first to say you had it first if he comes.. but please don't make this another MOMO like scoop.
I don't have control over what happens. I report things as they come in. Things change sometimes quicker than other times.
As for Momo I said when it was premature to say he was coming here, then he was coming here believe me Lavin wanted it, then things took a 180. This is a crazy business things change quicker than some people realize.
Gathers will be coming to St. John's its just a question of when.
like more of the story like quotes from ricardo or something not that i dont believe Dave im just interested in what ricardo said and things like that
like more of the story like quotes from ricardo or something not that i dont believe Dave im just interested in what ricardo said and things like that
like more of the story like quotes from ricardo or something not that i dont believe Dave im just interested in what ricardo said and things like that
Sometimes one can't divulge everything. I'm sure more will come out in the coming weeks or months.
Per the Johnnies Rivals site.... There is a piece on Gathers. Maybe, one of the members on the board who is a subscriber can give us a snippet. Calling Moose, fordham, etc.... LOL
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1231607&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid= (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1231607&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=)
"Trying to be more of a 3" -We need him as a monster 4
Per the Johnnies Rivals site.... There is a piece on Gathers. Maybe, one of the members on the board who is a subscriber can give us a snippet. Calling Moose, fordham, etc.... LOL
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1231607&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid= (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1231607&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=)
Honestly nothing that hasn't been said already.
Per the Johnnies Rivals site.... There is a piece on Gathers. Maybe, one of the members on the board who is a subscriber can give us a snippet. Calling Moose, fordham, etc.... LOL
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1231607&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid= (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1231607&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=)
Honestly nothing that hasn't been said already.
Oh, okay. Cool! Just regurgitation, huh?
Is there any relation?
New link up on zags site:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/06/16/gathers-considering-st-johns-for-2011/#more-53635 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/06/16/gathers-considering-st-johns-for-2011/#more-53635)
New link up on zags site:If Gathers is that physically dominating in High School,and he is able to do
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/06/16/gathers-considering-st-johns-for-2011/#more-53635 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/06/16/gathers-considering-st-johns-for-2011/#more-53635)
it will be tough trying to top texas since he said its his dream school on one occasion
it will be tough trying to top texas since he said its his dream school on one occasion
Honestly, I believe that is the only reason Texas is still on his list (being his dream school at one point or another). Remember, we were the "dream school" of guys like Derrick Caracter and Corey Fisher at one point. In some instances, things can change. I believe in the end he'll be at St. John's.
it will be tough trying to top texas since he said its his dream school on one occasion
Honestly, I believe that is the only reason Texas is still on his list (being his dream school at one point or another). Remember, we were the "dream school" of guys like Derrick Caracter and Corey Fisher at one point. In some instances, things can change. I believe in the end he'll be at St. John's.
Rick Barnes is not Norm Roberts.
thats not the point...if he feels strong enough about texas as his dream school then the kid is rick barnes' to lose....it doesnt seem like hes that dead set on texas so its a good sign but im not in the kids headit will be tough trying to top texas since he said its his dream school on one occasion
Honestly, I believe that is the only reason Texas is still on his list (being his dream school at one point or another). Remember, we were the "dream school" of guys like Derrick Caracter and Corey Fisher at one point. In some instances, things can change. I believe in the end he'll be at St. John's.
Rick Barnes is not Norm Roberts.
Neither is Steve Lavin. ;)
thats not the point...if he feels strong enough about texas as his dream school then the kid is rick barnes' to lose....it doesnt seem like hes that dead set on texas so its a good sign but im not in the kids headit will be tough trying to top texas since he said its his dream school on one occasion
Honestly, I believe that is the only reason Texas is still on his list (being his dream school at one point or another). Remember, we were the "dream school" of guys like Derrick Caracter and Corey Fisher at one point. In some instances, things can change. I believe in the end he'll be at St. John's.
Rick Barnes is not Norm Roberts.
Neither is Steve Lavin. ;)
lol im positive about i think we have the best chance i just never like to say we'll definitely get him cus i dont wanna jynx it im superstitious like thatthats not the point...if he feels strong enough about texas as his dream school then the kid is rick barnes' to lose....it doesnt seem like hes that dead set on texas so its a good sign but im not in the kids headit will be tough trying to top texas since he said its his dream school on one occasion
Honestly, I believe that is the only reason Texas is still on his list (being his dream school at one point or another). Remember, we were the "dream school" of guys like Derrick Caracter and Corey Fisher at one point. In some instances, things can change. I believe in the end he'll be at St. John's.
Rick Barnes is not Norm Roberts.
Neither is Steve Lavin. ;)
Man are you ever positive? ;)
As much as I think and hope he will end up at SJU, it aint a done deal til he signs on the dotted line.
As much as I think and hope he will end up at SJU, it aint a done deal til he signs on the dotted line.
Doesn't say much we don't already know. He verbally confirms he was seriously considering coming in September but has decided not to. They also say he would be important because they don't see Pelle as a true interior big, though from what I've heard from y'all on this we'll have to disagree.
Hard to compete with those Texas girls.
Hard to compete with those Texas girls.
But those Texas girls have those accents. And dem dere breastisis.
23 seasons of coaching for RB - has he missed the Rubicon? I think so - I say Rick goes nada for a career...But those Texas girls have those accents. And dem dere breastisis.
How many national championships in basketball have those girls got Texas?
Um, we don't have any either.I'll take our chances over Rick's any day. It's not easy of course as only 12 teams have won it the past 20 years, but with our staff and players that will be coming in, I'm looking forward to reaching for the brass ring and seizing it
http://theshiver.com/2011/06/ricardo-gathers-and-marcus-smart-from-nbpa-top-100-camp/ (http://theshiver.com/2011/06/ricardo-gathers-and-marcus-smart-from-nbpa-top-100-camp/)wow, so many of the players are all over the map, speaking in contradictions so many times - geesh...I should be used to it by now, but year after year it seems like the most important portion to highlight is which coach(es) they say they have the best relationship with and how they feel around them.
Much the same - some Texas talk
Um, we don't have any either.I'll take our chances over Rick's any day. It's not easy of course as only 12 teams have won it the past 20 years, but with our staff and players that will be coming in, I'm looking forward to reaching for the brass ring and seizing it
Um, we don't have any either.
Is Rivals just really behind on him because St.Johns or Texas isn't even mentioned in schools he's looking at? They have him as high on LSU and Cal.
good pickup fordham. It was a brain fart moment as I had that quote before Dana Altman signed on and there was debate on one of the Ducks' BB. Thanks for noticing. amazing to think what Oregon may have been like if they signed Lavs on boardUm, we don't have any either.I'll take our chances over Rick's any day. It's not easy of course as only 12 teams have won it the past 20 years, but with our staff and players that will be coming in, I'm looking forward to reaching for the brass ring and seizing it
Hey bball, that post you have from that Oregon St poster is technically wrong. I think it should be Oregon since Mike Bellotti was the former HC and AD at Oregon not Oregon St.
ok I believe we are a top contender for him (not rivals) but if we get him and the players we have from the previous year stay. Do you think we have too many of the same type of players (SF and PF)? I am not on the recruiting trail, but who is better Sampson, Gathers, pointer or garrett?Say they all have great years at SJU, where does Gathers fit in? It seems that we are adding a lot of players that play the same position and are the same type of player. I love what we are doing but it just seems hard to see who will or will not get playing time.
Gathers is a strong muscular 4. We need another big man and he compliments our players.
Love these clueless blog posts on scout, etc. "and relatively speaking isn’t too far from his home and his family" - its an 8 hour car ride, 3-4 hour plane ride, with a connection, to UT. NYC is a 3 hour plane ride with no connection for him.Add Gathers and Kyle and we'll have five match up problems on the floor at any given time - wow! lol
What is the best guess on when both RG and KA will make their college selection announcements?the end of summer/ early fall like theyve been saying
Game footage against Adonis Thomas last year. I think its safe to say that Gathers will be a 4 in college
http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/JAdWDQrqbEWcBLMpdMjw7g/basketball-winter-10-11/videos-ricardo-gathers.htm (http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/JAdWDQrqbEWcBLMpdMjw7g/basketball-winter-10-11/videos-ricardo-gathers.htm)
Game footage against Adonis Thomas last year. I think its safe to say that Gathers will be a 4 in college
http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/JAdWDQrqbEWcBLMpdMjw7g/basketball-winter-10-11/videos-ricardo-gathers.htm (http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/JAdWDQrqbEWcBLMpdMjw7g/basketball-winter-10-11/videos-ricardo-gathers.htm)
Dont know what you saw there to say hes a 4 from that video (im not saying hes not a 4). I know its only highlights from 1 game, but if he plays defense in college like he did there im not sure id want him on the floor as a 4 defending the paint. Everytime i saw him in that clip on defense, not only was he not aggressive, it looked like he wasnt putting too much effort or trying at all on defense. Again i know he cant be judged just based on that, but i hope that wasnt how he plays defense regularly.
How can we certain that Dunlap will be on the staff in 2 years?
Here's a news clip about gathers with a short interview. Its out of Louisiana so he talks LSU mostly.this video was about a horse lmaoo
http://fr.news.yahoo.com/video/yahoonewsvideo-15749570/good-samaritan-fostering-neglected-lafourche-parish-horses-25790470.html (http://fr.news.yahoo.com/video/yahoonewsvideo-15749570/good-samaritan-fostering-neglected-lafourche-parish-horses-25790470.html)
Interesting that Gathers hasn't participated at any camps yet. I would have assumed he would be at the Lebron James camp.
Interesting that Gathers hasn't participated at any camps yet. I would have assumed he would be at the Lebron James camp.
He was in Indy at Adidas. He will be at the Peach Jam.
Unlikely he gets in this year but barring something unforseen he will be Johnny.
AdamZagoria Adam Zagoria
Ricardo Gathers says he talks regularly to the #stjbb staff and they are showing him the most love
3 minutes ago
In the Zagsblog interview linked above, he says he will decide in fall (late) or into next spring.
In the Zagsblog interview linked above, he says he will decide in fall (late) or into next spring.
I know, but he seemed to be avoiding the question. He said maybe fall, if not then spring. He gives a different answer every time. I don't think he wants to answer it just yet.
Anyway, here is Gathers dunking on Justin Anderson at the Peach Jam...
http://blip.tv/ballislife/dod-6-7-ricardo-gathers-dunks-on-two-defenders-in-same-game-day-2-nike-peach-jam-5372389 (http://blip.tv/ballislife/dod-6-7-ricardo-gathers-dunks-on-two-defenders-in-same-game-day-2-nike-peach-jam-5372389)
Gathers tweeted:
"Must say I've played a lot of guys in my day. And the toughest kid I've faced in my life has to be Julius Randle the kid is good."
Just interesting as Randle is arguably the best or second best player in the 2013 class. From what I've heard, better than Drummond in 2012.
FWIW, Ricardo Gathers has lead the Peach Jam after three games in both PPG (22) and RPG (14.7) Gotta land this kid.
Where is our MJDinkins in these videos ;DLOL I'm usually on the ramp up top watching the games.
By the way Gathers FT's look A LOT better than when I saw him at the Rumble.
Send it in Jerome!
First off, I know the word is to "relax" with the recruitment of Ricardo. I understand that is based on the feedback this site has received from our posters following his recruitment very closely.
What I do not understand is Ricardo mentioning possibly naming his college in the spring. Is he just playing with the media?
It would seem to me that a player with Ricardo's talent would commit earlier, say in the fall, so he could focus on his last year of high school ball. And have some fun along the way!
Ricardo, MSG and St. John's await you!
Gathers needs to put in a ton of time at the line, because he might be leaving 5-6 points per game on the floor with his physical style of play. His stroke didn't look too bad in the latest video.
First off, I know the word is to "relax" with the recruitment of Ricardo. I understand that is based on the feedback this site has received from our posters following his recruitment very closely.
What I do not understand is Ricardo mentioning possibly naming his college in the spring. Is he just playing with the media?
It would seem to me that a player with Ricardo's talent would commit earlier, say in the fall, so he could focus on his last year of high school ball. And have some fun along the way!
Ricardo, MSG and St. John's await you!
If Ricardo comes to SJU and can just get his FT's up to 70%, he'll be a weapon. With coaching and work, he certainly can. First, let's get a commit.
At these events, the kids are bombarded with the same question over and over from fans and media. It could be more to just dodge the question without really thinking about it.
Gathers needs to put in a ton of time at the line, because he might be leaving 5-6 points per game on the floor with his physical style of play. His stroke didn't look too bad in the latest video.
In the beginning of last year the team was bad at free throws, With Lavin and staff, they overcame this deficiancy, and was good by midyear. No reason the staff cant do the same with Gathers.
In the beginning of last year the team was bad at free throws, With Lavin and staff, they overcame this deficiancy, and was good by midyear. No reason the staff cant do the same with Gathers.
Agreed. As I pointed out when I first saw Gathers I saw the same spin issues I saw with Evans. Staff corrected that in less than a year and Evans was servicable down the stretch from the charity stripe. Plus in those recent videos Gathers had very good form and I think hit 5 of 6.
MJ, having seen Ricardo in person, is he closer to 6'8" or 6'6"?
http://www.goazwildcats.com/content/catching-up-ricardo-gathers-19/ (http://www.goazwildcats.com/content/catching-up-ricardo-gathers-19/)
"From Arizona, I've been talking to coach Pasternack," Gathers told PGU. "He's telling me they'd love to have me come into the program. I saw what they did with Derrick Williams so they could use me in the same way."
Pasternack, who was introduced as part of the Arizona staff this summer, has deep ties to the Louisiana area as a former University of New Orleans coach. Though Arizona had few ties to Gathers before Pasternack arrived, they now stand in good position with him.
"Arizona was always one of the top schools since the beginning for me, but they've come at me harder recently," he said. "Seton Hall, Arizona, Cal, LSU, Ohio St, and West Virginia have all contacted me recently."
"I think I'm going to take a visit (to Arizona) in August," Gathers said. "I'm going to get up to Oregon and Cal for unofficials too."
"The schools I've been talking to most are St. John's, Texas, and LSU," Gathers told PGU. "I plan on making a decision late September or early October."
"I'm looking for academics, playing style, and development in a school. The atmosphere and all that is important too," he said.
Forget showing Richardo the 118 degrees in August. We have had that heat already in July. Show him the pictures of the two dust storms we had recently. They were right out of the movie, the "Mummy".
My money is still on Coach Lavin to show Richardo the way.
Forget showing Richardo the 118 degrees in August. We have had that heat already in July. Show him the pictures of the two dust storms we had recently. They were right out of the movie, the "Mummy".
My money is still on Coach Lavin to show Richardo the way.
I agree, I still think Lavin will land him, but I'd rather he skip past Arizona and straight to a SJU commit... ;)
http://www.goazwildcats.com/content/catching-up-ricardo-gathers-19/ (http://www.goazwildcats.com/content/catching-up-ricardo-gathers-19/)
"From Arizona, I've been talking to coach Pasternack," Gathers told PGU. "He's telling me they'd love to have me come into the program. I saw what they did with Derrick Williams so they could use me in the same way."
Pasternack, who was introduced as part of the Arizona staff this summer, has deep ties to the Louisiana area as a former University of New Orleans coach. Though Arizona had few ties to Gathers before Pasternack arrived, they now stand in good position with him.
"Arizona was always one of the top schools since the beginning for me, but they've come at me harder recently," he said. "Seton Hall, Arizona, Cal, LSU, Ohio St, and West Virginia have all contacted me recently."
"I think I'm going to take a visit (to Arizona) in August," Gathers said. "I'm going to get up to Oregon and Cal for unofficials too."
"The schools I've been talking to most are St. John's, Texas, and LSU," Gathers told PGU. "I plan on making a decision late September or early October."
"I'm looking for academics, playing style, and development in a school. The atmosphere and all that is important too," he said.
Gathers per Rothstein, has named a top 4 of LSU, SJU, Arizona and Syracuse.
Someone should tell Gathers that the City of Syracuse received more that 15 feet of snow last winter
and that Jim Boeheim will not be his coach for all 4 years. Boeheim will likely retire after the 2013 season.
Gathers per Rothstein, has named a top 4 of LSU, SJU, Arizona and Syracuse.
Syracuse? At least Texas is out. No science behind it, but I just like when we are named first or last :)
With Texas apparently out of the picture, my main worry is LSU. But, once again, I have faith in Coach Lavin.
With Texas apparently out of the picture, my main worry is LSU. But, once again, I have faith in Coach Lavin.
When will you stop worrying about us in our battles for recruits ;)
With Texas apparently out of the picture, my main worry is LSU. But, once again, I have faith in Coach Lavin.
When will you stop worrying about us in our battles for recruits ;)
With Texas apparently out of the picture, my main worry is LSU. But, once again, I have faith in Coach Lavin.
When will you stop worrying about us in our battles for recruits ;)
Golly gee! We have a sole poster "worried" about a recruit. I hope it does not become web-wide. Dave, you might want to ban me! What was I thinking?
Zags said he got a text that said his Top 4 are St. John`s, Texas, Arizona & LSU
Someone should tell Gathers that the City of Syracuse received more that 15 feet of snow last winter
and that Jim Boeheim will not be his coach for all 4 years. Boeheim will likely retire after the 2013 season.
At this point, we have to be relentless.
BTW an official commit from a big time recruit before sept 20th like this certainly cant hurt with Kyle.
SWEEEEET!! Add Mr. Basketball Louisiana to Lavin's commits. Ricardo the "Bayou Bull" Gathers on board for 2102... Fantastic!
SWEEEEET!! Add Mr. Basketball Louisiana to Lavin's commits. Ricardo the "Bayou Bull" Gathers on board for 2102... Fantastic!
I like that "The Bayou Bull" that can stick
And if this day isn't good enough as a St Johns fan I bet on Mike Repole's horse " stay thirsty " today and he just won up in saratoga
I know it's freaking addictive. LOL I think I'm going to go up to saratoga in a couple of weeks for a day. It's fun as long as I'm not losing every race :)And if this day isn't good enough as a St Johns fan I bet on Mike Repole's horse " stay thirsty " today and he just won up in saratoga
You win a few races and now your a gambling addict :)
Evan Daniels at Scout has the story up already: http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1090667.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1090667.html)cr I hope they're related as to how they play the game! This is awesome news. Once again, let's have Law of Increasing Returns go into effect for 2012! Congrats to Ricardo and the staff - Ricardo's making a great choice
Amazingly Rivals/Yahoo not only doesn't have the story, they don't even have SJU as a "school of interest" for Ricardo!
Not likelyh, but given his game, is Ricardo any relation to the late Hank Gathers? Also a 6-7 rebounding beast with a nice mid-range game.
Gathers is all but locked up. I don't want to say he's coming yet but I'd be shocked if he doesn't commit by sometime in July. St. John's fans can confidently await Gathers' word.
I'd focus all attention on Kyle Anderson as the last piece.
Gathers is all but locked up. I don't want to say he's coming yet but I'd be shocked if he doesn't commit by sometime in July. St. John's fans can confidently await Gathers' word.
I'd focus all attention on Kyle Anderson as the last piece.
Yeah Yeah, lucky he didn't commit two days later!
:)
Any chance Gathers comes this September?
Any chance Gathers comes this September?
Always said as much as kids want to get away from NYC, you can as many that want to come and experience it. Cant blame either, just need a few to stay home every few years.
Fear and admiration for Lavin on UConn msg board re: Gathers verbal....great stuff !!
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=342&f=2871&t=7722546 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=342&f=2871&t=7722546)
Fear and admiration for Lavin on UConn msg board re: Gathers verbal....
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=342&f=2871&t=7722546 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=342&f=2871&t=7722546)
Fear and admiration for Lavin on UConn msg board re: Gathers verbal....
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=342&f=2871&t=7722546 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=342&f=2871&t=7722546)
11 small forwards? I guess GG and NP must have shrunk a few inches since Friday.
Did someone on the Ucon board actual mention a bag of money? Was that from one of their assistant coaches? Ouch!
this has to exceed anyone's expectations...
welcome aboard!
Everyone has been talking about KA so much lately and rightfully so because he is an elite talent but Gathers is just as important of an addition to this roster as KA would be. GG hasnt quite played against top competition and Pelle has all the talent but is still raw. Gathers brings a big body post presence who can also run the floor and is a good athlete. I think his skill set is very much needed in this lineup and he could be one biggest and most important pieces in this puzzle.
Everyone has been talking about KA so much lately and rightfully so because he is an elite talent but Gathers is just as important of an addition to this roster as KA would be. GG hasn't quite played against top competition and Pelle has all the talent but is still raw. Gathers brings a big body post presence who can also run the floor and is a good athlete. I think his skill set is very much needed in this lineup and he could be one biggest and most important pieces in this puzzle.
Wow, great news to come back to! Another top 50 player for Lavin--this is just getting silly! I believe it was posted that Gathers and Anderson played together a time or two? If so, that would really help.
I think we have a legitimate McDonald's All-American candidate here. He is ranked #43 now, but his stock will surely rise after his summer performances and leading the EYBL in rebounding. He's definitely got the resume for it after he wins Louisiana Mr. Basketball for the second time, puts up more silly stats in high school, and with his rep as the strongest player and best rebounder in the country.
I'm not shocked about the Uconn posts about 11 SF's. They were pulling that stuff way before we even landed Garrett. We have a lot of versatile athletes that can play a # of positions.
:D WELCOME Richardo! Physically he reminds me of Cecil Rellford & Mel Davis.
This is great news! Welcome Ricardo!
A quick question for anyone who has seen him play in person... Since everyone is saying what a great rebounder he is... How does is game compare with Blair from PITT?
I'm not shocked about the Uconn posts about 11 SF's. They were pulling that stuff way before we even landed Garrett. We have a lot of versatile athletes that can play a # of positions.
I have to say, that was such a weird roster. Watching Kapono trying to defend bigs was bizarre; Matt Barnes was almost capable, but always looked out of position. But he wouldn't back down to anything. I think he was my favorite of that group, along with Gadzuric.
Last time Steve was in the sweet 16, the roster was 6'8 Jason Kapono, 6'7 Matt Barnes, 6'5 Billy Knight, 6'6 Ced Bozeman, 6'7 Dijon Thompson, 6'7 Andre Patterson, 6'5 Rico hines, 6'4 Ray Young, 6'8 Josiah Johnson, 6'8 TJ cummings. Two Bigs in 6'11 Dan Gazduric and 6'10 John Hoffart, and one 6'1 guard Ryan Walcott. One could easily argue "11 wings". Kapono would play SF, PF and SG at UCLA. Matt Barnes would play SF and PF.
I have to say, that was such a weird roster. Watching Kapono trying to defend bigs was bizarre;
Last time Steve was in the sweet 16, the roster was 6'8 Jason Kapono, 6'7 Matt Barnes, 6'5 Billy Knight, 6'6 Ced Bozeman, 6'7 Dijon Thompson, 6'7 Andre Patterson, 6'5 Rico hines, 6'4 Ray Young, 6'8 Josiah Johnson, 6'8 TJ cummings. Two Bigs in 6'11 Dan Gazduric and 6'10 John Hoffart, and one 6'1 guard Ryan Walcott. One could easily argue "11 wings". Kapono would play SF, PF and SG at UCLA. Matt Barnes would play SF and PF.
Ricardo will be playing in the Adidas Nations tourney for the Latin American team. I guess his Latin roots are close. Will be fun to see him compete against the loaded US teams as they really split a lot of time. Gathers should garner much of the Latin roster's PF minutes.
Kyle is well aware Gathers committed.
Kyle is well aware Gathers committed.
Even if it doesn't show up on the Johnny Jungle 2012 recruit listing? ; )
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4526.0 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4526.0)
I know I loved visiting the Class of 2011 version of this page as the STJ commitments started adding up and looking at the list but I understand the work involved in maintaining all the aspects of this site. Was just needling you.
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4526.0 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4526.0)
I know I loved visiting the Class of 2011 version of this page as the STJ commitments started adding up and looking at the list but I understand the work involved in maintaining all the aspects of this site. Was just needling you.
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4526.0 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4526.0)
I know I loved visiting the Class of 2011 version of this page as the STJ commitments started adding up and looking at the list but I understand the work involved in maintaining all the aspects of this site. Was just needling you.
Kyle is well aware Gathers committed.
Kyle is well aware Gathers committed.
BTW, Kyle reached out to BOTH Katin and Woods yesterday :)
Kyle is well aware Gathers committed.
What about Katin ? :)
BTW, Kyle reached out to BOTH Katin and Woods yesterday :)
Wood is Kyle's AAU teammate.
Kyle is well aware Gathers committed.
What about Katin ? :)
BTW, Kyle reached out to BOTH Katin and Woods yesterday :)
Wood is Kyle's AAU teammate.
Kyle is well aware Gathers committed.
What about Katin ? :)
BTW, Kyle reached out to BOTH Katin and Woods yesterday :)
Wood is Kyle's AAU teammate.
You can add Wainwright to that, as well.
And Winston Shepard. We should probably just alter our recruiting list to whoever KA is tweeting with ;)
Kyle is well aware Gathers committed.
What about Katin ? :)
BTW, Kyle reached out to BOTH Katin and Woods yesterday :)
Wood is Kyle's AAU teammate.
You can add Wainwright to that, as well.
And Winston Shepard. We should probably just alter our recruiting list to whoever KA is tweeting with ;)
And Winston Shepard. We should probably just alter our recruiting list to whoever KA is tweeting with ;)
Kinda ironic for a few of those kids to suddenly pop up once Gathers committed, huh? ;)
Apparently 2012 target, Joel James of Dwyer HS, is a teammate of Gathers on the Latin America team. Hopefully he is in James' ear!
Way to go, Bayou Bull!
I am looking forward to Richardo joining us in 2012. I would like see him hit the 20 rebound mark at least once during his freshmean year.
New ESPN ratings have him list at 31 up from 40.
New ESPN ratings have him list at 31 up from 40.
Awesome! He's not far from the McDonald's All-American #' s :)
Do I remember that it was mentioned (before he verballed)
that Gathers considered switching to 2011
Is there any chance if true that He could arrive in Dec 2011 ?
I remember Dave insinuated it once.
In SJ's history, we've had our share, but I predict coach and the staff will eventually be landing McAA's at a similar rate to the schools that historically have the lion's share of McDAAs such as NC, Duke, UCLA, Kentucky, and a few others. We'll go from 2nd tier up towards the top tier.New ESPN ratings have him list at 31 up from 40.
Awesome! He's not far from the McDonald's All-American #' s :)
I was thinking the same thing. It's going to be great seeing SJU landing some McD's AAs
In SJ's history, we've had our share, but I predict coach and the staff will eventually be landing McAA's at a similar rate to the schools that historically have the lion's share of McDAAs such as NC, Duke, UCLA, Kentucky, and a few others. We'll go from 2nd tier up towards the top tier.New ESPN ratings have him list at 31 up from 40.
Awesome! He's not far from the McDonald's All-American #' s :)
I was thinking the same thing. It's going to be great seeing SJU landing some McD's AAs
Saw Ricardo at MM tonight and the kid is like a Mac truck. He is going to be a huge pieces for us next year.
Not sure how to feel about Gathers tweet. See bottom
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Just saw some highlights on St. John basketball on espn and thought next year I'll be seeing that boy @RicoGathers21 there next year!
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@Tim_theCreator maybee sonn. Maybe
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@RicoGathers21 lol I know u know I really wanna see u in that purp n gold tho
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@Tim_theCreator lol we gon see bro as of now I'm #stjbb tho
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Shoutout to #stjbb. Can't wait to thrill the fans of nyc next year.
https://twitter.com/#!/RicoGathers21/status/129045734443069441
Signing day can't get here quick enough. LOL
Not sure how to feel about Gathers tweet. See bottom
Tim_theCreator
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Just saw some highlights on St. John basketball on espn and thought next year I'll be seeing that boy @RicoGathers21 there next year!
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@Tim_theCreator maybee sonn. Maybe
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@RicoGathers21 lol I know u know I really wanna see u in that purp n gold tho
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@Tim_theCreator lol we gon see bro as of now I'm #stjbb tho
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Forget the players I think we need to ban posters/fans use of twitter
Who is Tim the Creator?I'm guessing Tim Walker wants to go, or likes, LSU, as he's from Louisiana like the Bull. Of course, I'm twisting it cuz who knows what messing around they're doing. To tag #stjbb means he's messing around. 2 and 1/2 weeks and it will be written, and done.
The "unofficial" "visit" made enough waves to generate some chatter on the LSU boards. Hopefully, there's no substance to it. They do discuss "the buddy who works at LSU talking about him decommitting." Who knows...
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/29282786/Gathers-Decommitting-From-St-john-and-going-to-possibly-LSU.aspx (http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/29282786/Gathers-Decommitting-From-St-john-and-going-to-possibly-LSU.aspx)
One board poster mentioned how this rumor decommit stuff happened with Greg Monroe too when he went to a few LSU games in the fall, before signing with GTown. I just figure, jeez, can't the kids go to a game or two close to home with some friends? Hopefully not alarming yet Moose.The "unofficial" "visit" made enough waves to generate some chatter on the LSU boards. Hopefully, there's no substance to it. They do discuss "the buddy who works at LSU talking about him decommitting." Who knows...
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/29282786/Gathers-Decommitting-From-St-john-and-going-to-possibly-LSU.aspx (http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/29282786/Gathers-Decommitting-From-St-john-and-going-to-possibly-LSU.aspx)
I've heard nothing about this and would be really alarming if true.
I've heard nothing about this and would be really alarming if true.One board poster mentioned how this rumor decommit stuff happened with Greg Monroe too when he went to a few LSU games in the fall, before signing with GTown. I just figure, jeez, can't the kids go to a game or two close to home with some friends? Hopefully not alarming yet Moose.
The guys on tiger droppings seem to think he's a lock to de-commit and that our staff is dirty.But we all know the "dirty" comment is just the jealousy and disbelief of some boards and fans at losing a local recruit.
I hope this is all nonsense, and just some posters from the LSU board running wild.Yes, firmness would have been good to read. But that being said, as a twitter user for almost 2 years, I an say to not take every word tweeted as pure intent. Some measure their words much more than others. That is why misinformation abounds on twitter. It's the Wild West of social media - fb is nothing compared to twitter. It's going full on with HSers as my son told me his friends are abandoning fb and going mostly with twitter now.
But man, this would be a kick in the balls if Gathers de-committed.
I don't buy the "dirty tactics" at all. Like someone said, all fan bases claim that when they lose a recruit. BUT; I think it's strange he said "I'm STJBB for now" in his tweet. A little more firmness would put me at ease.
I hope this is all nonsense, and just some posters from the LSU board running wild.
But man, this would be a kick in the balls if Gathers de-committed.
I don't buy the "dirty tactics" at all. Like someone said, all fan bases claim that when they lose a recruit. BUT; I think it's strange he said "I'm STJBB for now" in his tweet. A little more firmness would put me at ease.
I hope this is all nonsense, and just some posters from the LSU board running wild.
But man, this would be a kick in the balls if Gathers de-committed.
I don't buy the "dirty tactics" at all. Like someone said, all fan bases claim that when they lose a recruit. BUT; I think it's strange he said "I'm STJBB for now" in his tweet. A little more firmness would put me at ease.
Shoutout to #stjbb. Can't wait to thrill the fans of nyc next year.
What part of that is not firm?
I hope this is all nonsense, and just some posters from the LSU board running wild.
But man, this would be a kick in the balls if Gathers de-committed.
I don't buy the "dirty tactics" at all. Like someone said, all fan bases claim that when they lose a recruit. BUT; I think it's strange he said "I'm STJBB for now" in his tweet. A little more firmness would put me at ease.
Shoutout to #stjbb. Can't wait to thrill the fans of nyc next year.
What part of that is not firm?
He does go on to say something along the lines of "I'm STJBB 'for now"
I hope this is all nonsense, and just some posters from the LSU board running wild.
But man, this would be a kick in the balls if Gathers de-committed.
I don't buy the "dirty tactics" at all. Like someone said, all fan bases claim that when they lose a recruit. BUT; I think it's strange he said "I'm STJBB for now" in his tweet. A little more firmness would put me at ease.
Shoutout to #stjbb. Can't wait to thrill the fans of nyc next year.
What part of that is not firm?
He does go on to say something along the lines of "I'm STJBB 'for now"
Yeah but that was before my quoted tweet from him and we don't don't even know the full context he said that in. We do know today he made it clear he "cannot wait" to play for SJU. Furthermore are people suggesting that after being recruited and strongly committing and then going to SJU Midnight Madness he is going to commit to LSU who has done exactly what in the SEC recently???
Relax a little.
i'm with you, mj. shouldn't these players have some privacy? i don't need to know every time someone takes a dump.
i'm with you, mj. shouldn't these players have some privacy? i don't need to know every time someone takes a dump.
Newsie, it's not private info. Not sure if you're familiar with Twitter. It pops up in your twitter stream. It isn't like you have to prying for it. I'll read the twitter threads and will real one by Lenn Robbins and the next might be by Gathers. It's like a stock ticker. No privacy when one is publicizing their info. I still think Gathers will sign without a hitch. He's been on board for a long time now, and LSU? Really?
i'm with you, mj. shouldn't these players have some privacy? i don't need to know every time someone takes a dump.
Newsie, it's not private info. Not sure if you're familiar with Twitter. It pops up in your twitter stream. It isn't like you have to prying for it. I'll read the twitter threads and will real one by Lenn Robbins and the next might be by Gathers. It's like a stock ticker. No privacy when one is publicizing their info. I still think Gathers will sign without a hitch. He's been on board for a long time now, and LSU? Really?
not that familiar. my daughter set me up about a year ago...but i never looked at it. the other day she said i had 37 "followers". i don't know what that means. why would someone "follow" someone who doesn't twit.
i'm with you, mj. shouldn't these players have some privacy? i don't need to know every time someone takes a dump.
Newsie, it's not private info. Not sure if you're familiar with Twitter. It pops up in your twitter stream. It isn't like you have to prying for it. I'll read the twitter threads and will real one by Lenn Robbins and the next might be by Gathers. It's like a stock ticker. No privacy when one is publicizing their info. I still think Gathers will sign without a hitch. He's been on board for a long time now, and LSU? Really?
not that familiar. my daughter set me up about a year ago...but i never looked at it. the other day she said i had 37 "followers". i don't know what that means. why would someone "follow" someone who doesn't twit.
They must sense that since you've kept them waiting so long when you finally say something it'll be life-altering.
Yep - LSU is not going anywhere fast....I'd be surprised if RG does anything but sign with SJ's in a few weeks.I hope this is all nonsense, and just some posters from the LSU board running wild.
But man, this would be a kick in the balls if Gathers de-committed.
I don't buy the "dirty tactics" at all. Like someone said, all fan bases claim that when they lose a recruit. BUT; I think it's strange he said "I'm STJBB for now" in his tweet. A little more firmness would put me at ease.
Shoutout to #stjbb. Can't wait to thrill the fans of nyc next year.
What part of that is not firm?
He does go on to say something along the lines of "I'm STJBB 'for now"
Yeah but that was before my quoted tweet from him and we don't don't even know the full context he said that in. We do know today he made it clear he "cannot wait" to play for SJU. Furthermore are people suggesting that after being recruited and strongly committing and then going to SJU Midnight Madness he is going to commit to LSU who has done exactly what in the SEC recently???
Relax a little.
Texas and Uconn posters on Rivals board now saying rumor is he won't sign.
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=103&tid=165540719&mid=165540719&sid=910&style=2 (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=103&tid=165540719&mid=165540719&sid=910&style=2)
Hey Dave.....................any info?????
When does the signing period begin and end?
When an obscure Tweet popped up from the Va Tech fan about Justin Anderson decommitting from MD and going to 2nd choice UVA, many Terps fans didn't know where it came from but it felt bad. I have a bad feeling about this - there's no substance to it yet, but it doesn't feel good. And I'm usually an optimist and a wait and see kinda guy. As I said a few weeks ago, at least we get to see right away if RG signs right away this next week. LSU didn't worry me, but Texas and UConn fans lurking around with rumors - something smells bad. Basketball is becoming more like football. The general hands off honor code regarding commits may start to erode much more with all the decommitting today's players are doing.Hey Dave.....................any info?????
It seems the sources are credible. Is the info reliable or true? Who knows!?! But, I'm not particularly fond of the rumblings.
When an obscure Tweet popped up from the Va Tech fan about Justin Anderson decommitting from MD and going to 2nd choice UVA, many Terps fans didn't know where it came from but it felt bad. I have a bad feeling about this - there's no substance to it yet, but it doesn't feel good. And I'm usually an optimist and a wait and see kinda guy. As I said a few weeks ago, at least we get to see right away if RG signs right away this next week. LSU didn't worry me, but Texas and UConn fans lurking around with rumors - something smells bad. Basketball is becoming more like football. The general hands off honor code regarding commits may start to erode much more with all the decommitting today's players are doing.
It sucks to lose this kid. We desperately need size up front. More than ever we need Pelle here in 12'. I hope we can keep Jakarr in the fold as well. Makes Obekpa a big priority as well. Annoying to lose him at a bad time. He really effed us.
Trent is on the Hot seat at LSU wouldn't surprise me if he got desperate and has something to do with this. And of course Uconn doing something dirty would surprise no one.
Lavin's health and the future of the BE conference seem to be the main issues
a lot of people in this kid's ear with this stuff.
Coach Lavin needs to take his time to get healthy. But we need him on TV and on the road recruiting ASAP.
Between the downfall of the Big East as we know it, the guys who the staff sent to summer classes and were still ineligible, and now these losses on the recruiting trail.......... it really is putting a damper on what was shaping up to be "a new era". You wan't to be excited for the guys on the court (and I am) but it depresses the excitement when all these other pieces we thought we had are falling apart.
I'd feel whole lot better, if Garrett and Pelle ends up here next month
In the grand scheme, I'm not worried about us. We took some big lumps in the past few months though. We have a great base of talent but will need quite a few pieces for 2012 with lots of players off the table. Lavin is a phenom recruiter and I have no doubt he'll tighten up the recruiting situation by spring signing. One or two good signings and we're back where we need to be. Like I said, hope we can keep Jakarr and Pelle on board and land Obekpa. We'll see what Lavs can do.
But to have all these things happen to us between August and now? It just doesn't seem to add up. The odds are pretty good one of these situations should've turned up roses for us, no?
i think that the decommitment of gathers cant be good for our recruitment of pelle, to me it just seems that hes looking for a reason to not stay with us. i might be way off and hope im wrong.
i think that the decommitment of gathers cant be good for our recruitment of pelle, to me it just seems that hes looking for a reason to not stay with us. i might be way off and hope im wrong.
Not related.
“With him going away to New York he wants to be 100 percent sure,” Gathers said of his brother’s decision. “Back in August, that was before the Big East situation, Lavin’s health and then the ineligible players ... you want to be 100 percent sure with leaving Louisiana and going to New York. At this point in time he wasn't totally sure about his decision in going to New York.”
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=349 (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=349)
“With him going away to New York he wants to be 100 percent sure,” Gathers said of his brother’s decision. “Back in August, that was before the Big East situation, Lavin’s health and then the ineligible players ... you want to be 100 percent sure with leaving Louisiana and going to New York. At this point in time he wasn't totally sure about his decision in going to New York.”
“With him going away to New York he wants to be 100 percent sure,” Gathers said of his brother’s decision. “Back in August, that was before the Big East situation, Lavin’s health and then the ineligible players ... you want to be 100 percent sure with leaving Louisiana and going to New York. At this point in time he wasn't totally sure about his decision in going to New York.”
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=349 (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=349)
NY is not for everyone. It's a lot of pressure.
“With him going away to New York he wants to be 100 percent sure,” Gathers said of his brother’s decision. “Back in August, that was before the Big East situation, Lavin’s health and then the ineligible players ... you want to be 100 percent sure with leaving Louisiana and going to New York. At this point in time he wasn't totally sure about his decision in going to New York.”
This here quote sound exactly like sometin a recruiter at 'nother school would put in RG's ear.
If all of these kids we recruited were on the cout and playing, Gathers would be signing his LOI this week.
Need more kids like amir, pointer, wood and others who are enthusiastic and committed. Love those types of guys who are 100% on and off the court.
We need more kids who are not going to be academic question marks. Garrett already is one and so is Darrick Wood.
If all of these kids we recruited were on the cout and playing, Gathers would be signing his LOI this week.
Need more kids like amir, pointer, wood and others who are enthusiastic and committed. Love those types of guys who are 100% on and off the court.
We need more kids who are not going to be academic question marks. Garrett already is one and so is Darrick Wood.
If all of these kids we recruited were on the cout and playing, Gathers would be signing his LOI this week.
That is 100% BS. Complete and utter BS.
Well it happenedWe smelled a rat. Is coach K involved? :2funny:
RT @EvanDanielscout: Interesting note... RT @WGNOsports: Riverside's Ricardo Gathers rescinds commitment to St John's -- will sign in the spring
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Need more kids like amir, pointer, wood and others who are enthusiastic and committed. Love those types of guys who are 100% on and off the court.
We need more kids who are not going to be academic question marks. Garrett already is one and so is Darrick Wood.
If all of these kids we recruited were on the cout and playing, Gathers would be signing his LOI this week.
That is 100% BS. Complete and utter BS.
I am sure Lavin's health and the situation with the BE were his main concerns but his brother did mention the ineligible players as well so am not sure why you so readily dismissed this as a concern. Unless of course you are closer to Gathers than his brother.
Need more kids like amir, pointer, wood and others who are enthusiastic and committed. Love those types of guys who are 100% on and off the court.
We need more kids who are not going to be academic question marks. Garrett already is one and so is Darrick Wood.
If all of these kids we recruited were on the cout and playing, Gathers would be signing his LOI this week.
That is 100% BS. Complete and utter BS.
I am sure Lavin's health and the situation with the BE were his main concerns but his brother did mention the ineligible players as well so am not sure why you so readily dismissed this as a concern. Unless of course you are closer to Gathers than his brother.
Because why would that matter? By all accounts Gathers is a good student. Unless you believe the NCAA picked on SJU and Gathers is worried he may qualify at LSU but not SJU then why would that matter? His brother was just doing some PR. The kid came to SJU on 10/14, long after the 3 were declared ineligible. More importantly 2 of them were with him at Midnight Madness, Garrett and Pelle.
That would imply SJU should sign 2 star recruits who are Ivy League material that way they definitely would qualify because I am sure Gathers would prefer to play with that level of talent, no? Kansas had 3 kids fail to qualify. Pitino had 1 last year and another this year. Suddenly kids don't want to go to those 2 schools. Come on. 1 kid not qualifying does not imply another won't either.
What did change? Lavin having his procedure. Lavin missing MM and all the subsequent practices and the first few games. Gathers being pressured to stay in-state and help rebuild LSU basketball. Gathers being told Lavin may not be theo coach at SJU much longer with his cancer, etc.
Because why would that matter? By all accounts Gathers is a good student. Unless you believe the NCAA picked on SJU and Gathers is worried he may qualify at LSU but not SJU then why would that matter? His brother was just doing some PR. The kid came to SJU on 10/14, long after the 3 were declared ineligible. More importantly 2 of them were with him at Midnight Madness, Garrett and Pelle.
That would imply SJU should sign 2 star recruits who are Ivy League material that way they definitely would qualify because I am sure Gathers would prefer to play with that level of talent, no? Kansas had 3 kids fail to qualify. Pitino had 1 last year and another this year. Suddenly kids don't want to go to those 2 schools. Come on. 1 kid not qualifying does not imply another won't either.
What did change? Lavin having his procedure. Lavin missing MM and all the subsequent practices and the first few games. Gathers being pressured to stay in-state and help rebuild LSU basketball. Gathers being told Lavin may not be the coach at SJU much longer with his cancer, etc.
Now if all 3 were eligible would Gathers not chosen this path? No, I am sure that was not the deciding factor but since it was included as a reason by the brother I won't offhandly dismiss it either.
Need more kids like amir, pointer, wood and others who are enthusiastic and committed. Love those types of guys who are 100% on and off the court.
We need more kids who are not going to be academic question marks. Garrett already is one and so is Darrick Wood.
If all of these kids we recruited were on the cout and playing, Gathers would be signing his LOI this week.
That is 100% BS. Complete and utter BS.
I am sure Lavin's health and the situation with the BE were his main concerns but his brother did mention the ineligible players as well so am not sure why you so readily dismissed this as a concern. Unless of course you are closer to Gathers than his brother.
Because why would that matter? By all accounts Gathers is a good student. Unless you believe the NCAA picked on SJU and Gathers is worried he may qualify at LSU but not SJU then why would that matter? His brother was just doing some PR. The kid came to SJU on 10/14, long after the 3 were declared ineligible. More importantly 2 of them were with him at Midnight Madness, Garrett and Pelle.
That would imply SJU should sign 2 star recruits who are Ivy League material that way they definitely would qualify because I am sure Gathers would prefer to play with that level of talent, no? Kansas had 3 kids fail to qualify. Pitino had 1 last year and another this year. Suddenly kids don't want to go to those 2 schools. Come on. 1 kid not qualifying does not imply another won't either.
What did change? Lavin having his procedure. Lavin missing MM and all the subsequent practices and the first few games. Gathers being pressured to stay in-state and help rebuild LSU basketball. Gathers being told Lavin may not be theo coach at SJU much longer with his cancer, etc.
I have no idea why it would matter but his brother did mention it for some reason. I can speculate that even if we both agree that the ineligibilties should not really be a factor, it did continue the trend of bad news surrounding the program. When you add it all up it does make SJU less attractive than it was when Gathers originally committed. Now if all 3 were eligible would Gathers not chosen this path? No, I am sure that was not the deciding factor but since it was included as a reason by the brother I won't offhandly dismiss it either.
Need more kids like amir, pointer, wood and others who are enthusiastic and committed. Love those types of guys who are 100% on and off the court.
We need more kids who are not going to be academic question marks. Garrett already is one and so is Darrick Wood.
If all of these kids we recruited were on the cout and playing, Gathers would be signing his LOI this week.
That is 100% BS. Complete and utter BS.
I am sure Lavin's health and the situation with the BE were his main concerns but his brother did mention the ineligible players as well so am not sure why you so readily dismissed this as a concern. Unless of course you are closer to Gathers than his brother.
Because why would that matter? By all accounts Gathers is a good student. Unless you believe the NCAA picked on SJU and Gathers is worried he may qualify at LSU but not SJU then why would that matter? His brother was just doing some PR. The kid came to SJU on 10/14, long after the 3 were declared ineligible. More importantly 2 of them were with him at Midnight Madness, Garrett and Pelle.
That would imply SJU should sign 2 star recruits who are Ivy League material that way they definitely would qualify because I am sure Gathers would prefer to play with that level of talent, no? Kansas had 3 kids fail to qualify. Pitino had 1 last year and another this year. Suddenly kids don't want to go to those 2 schools. Come on. 1 kid not qualifying does not imply another won't either.
What did change? Lavin having his procedure. Lavin missing MM and all the subsequent practices and the first few games. Gathers being pressured to stay in-state and help rebuild LSU basketball. Gathers being told Lavin may not be theo coach at SJU much longer with his cancer, etc.
I have no idea why it would matter but his brother did mention it for some reason. I can speculate that even if we both agree that the ineligibilties should not really be a factor, it did continue the trend of bad news surrounding the program. When you add it all up it does make SJU less attractive than it was when Gathers originally committed. Now if all 3 were eligible would Gathers not chosen this path? No, I am sure that was not the deciding factor but since it was included as a reason by the brother I won't offhandly dismiss it either.
You don't read very well nor did you read PMG's post and my response.
Need more kids like amir, pointer, wood and others who are enthusiastic and committed. Love those types of guys who are 100% on and off the court.
We need more kids who are not going to be academic question marks. Garrett already is one and so is Darrick Wood.
If all of these kids we recruited were on the cout and playing, Gathers would be signing his LOI this week.
That is 100% BS. Complete and utter BS.
I am sure Lavin's health and the situation with the BE were his main concerns but his brother did mention the ineligible players as well so am not sure why you so readily dismissed this as a concern. Unless of course you are closer to Gathers than his brother.
Because why would that matter? By all accounts Gathers is a good student. Unless you believe the NCAA picked on SJU and Gathers is worried he may qualify at LSU but not SJU then why would that matter? His brother was just doing some PR. The kid came to SJU on 10/14, long after the 3 were declared ineligible. More importantly 2 of them were with him at Midnight Madness, Garrett and Pelle.
That would imply SJU should sign 2 star recruits who are Ivy League material that way they definitely would qualify because I am sure Gathers would prefer to play with that level of talent, no? Kansas had 3 kids fail to qualify. Pitino had 1 last year and another this year. Suddenly kids don't want to go to those 2 schools. Come on. 1 kid not qualifying does not imply another won't either.
What did change? Lavin having his procedure. Lavin missing MM and all the subsequent practices and the first few games. Gathers being pressured to stay in-state and help rebuild LSU basketball. Gathers being told Lavin may not be theo coach at SJU much longer with his cancer, etc.
I have no idea why it would matter but his brother did mention it for some reason. I can speculate that even if we both agree that the ineligibilties should not really be a factor, it did continue the trend of bad news surrounding the program. When you add it all up it does make SJU less attractive than it was when Gathers originally committed. Now if all 3 were eligible would Gathers not chosen this path? No, I am sure that was not the deciding factor but since it was included as a reason by the brother I won't offhandly dismiss it either.
You don't read very well nor did you read PMG's post and my response.
Gathers brother included the eligibility's as one of the factors you pompous twit! My only point is why should we dismiss that but instead take your uniformed babble as gospel? Any idiot can speculate that some other coach is whispering in his ear. Do you want a medal for that uninspired speculation? My only point was that you are in no place to dispel something a family member of a recruit has stated. And for the record I happen to share your opinion on the subject. I just choose not to state my opinions as fact.
Need more kids like amir, pointer, wood and others who are enthusiastic and committed. Love those types of guys who are 100% on and off the court.
We need more kids who are not going to be academic question marks. Garrett already is one and so is Darrick Wood.
If all of these kids we recruited were on the cout and playing, Gathers would be signing his LOI this week.
That is 100% BS. Complete and utter BS.
I am sure Lavin's health and the situation with the BE were his main concerns but his brother did mention the ineligible players as well so am not sure why you so readily dismissed this as a concern. Unless of course you are closer to Gathers than his brother.
Because why would that matter? By all accounts Gathers is a good student. Unless you believe the NCAA picked on SJU and Gathers is worried he may qualify at LSU but not SJU then why would that matter? His brother was just doing some PR. The kid came to SJU on 10/14, long after the 3 were declared ineligible. More importantly 2 of them were with him at Midnight Madness, Garrett and Pelle.
That would imply SJU should sign 2 star recruits who are Ivy League material that way they definitely would qualify because I am sure Gathers would prefer to play with that level of talent, no? Kansas had 3 kids fail to qualify. Pitino had 1 last year and another this year. Suddenly kids don't want to go to those 2 schools. Come on. 1 kid not qualifying does not imply another won't either.
What did change? Lavin having his procedure. Lavin missing MM and all the subsequent practices and the first few games. Gathers being pressured to stay in-state and help rebuild LSU basketball. Gathers being told Lavin may not be theo coach at SJU much longer with his cancer, etc.
I have no idea why it would matter but his brother did mention it for some reason. I can speculate that even if we both agree that the ineligibilties should not really be a factor, it did continue the trend of bad news surrounding the program. When you add it all up it does make SJU less attractive than it was when Gathers originally committed. Now if all 3 were eligible would Gathers not chosen this path? No, I am sure that was not the deciding factor but since it was included as a reason by the brother I won't offhandly dismiss it either.
You don't read very well nor did you read PMG's post and my response.
Gathers brother included the eligibility's as one of the factors you pompous twit! My only point is why should we dismiss that but instead take your uniformed babble as gospel? Any idiot can speculate that some other coach is whispering in his ear. Do you want a medal for that uninspired speculation? My only point was that you are in no place to dispel something a family member of a recruit has stated. And for the record I happen to share your opinion on the subject. I just choose not to state my opinions as fact.
You are a nice person. Go back and read my post again. I DON"T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. YOU ARE A DOPE.
My only mistake was engaging you. Schmuck. Go back to writing endlessly about how Coach Roberts ruined the program.
Good post, fordham. The ineligibility of our players is a bogus excuse on why Gathers decommitted. People are in his ear and it seems they are using Lavin's medical situation as a cop out. Trent Johnson is under tremendous pressure and as, fordham mentioned, Gathers is a fan of LSU football.
You can bet he's being tugged by the hometown folks, and I still wouldn't doubt something a bit more shady (involving, LSU) could be going on.
I don’t believe it's a bogus excuse for him. The ineligibility of the players isn't the reason by itself or I would agree it may be bogus, but it is a factor. Lavin is the straw that stirs the drink. With his perceived health issues along with the ineligibility of the players in gave him reason for concern as it should; this is a big decision for him. Let Lavin come back healthy along with Pelle signing on and I believe he still signs with us.
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2012 forward Ricardo Gathers, who decommitted from St. John's yesterday, will likely sign with the Red Storm in the spring, per a source.
TheRecruitScoop Alex Kline
2012 forward Ricardo Gathers, who decommitted from St. John's yesterday, will likely sign with the Red Storm in the spring, per a source.
I'm told there are certain member(s) in his family that just want to be sure/convinced he is making the right decision to leave the area. As Coach Byrd says he "loves" Coach Lavin. I think once Coach comes back, is coaching and out recruiting including perhaps a trip down to Louisiana later this eyar or next year, things will be OK.
If Gathers is just unsure and St J still leads why term it a de-committment instead of just saying you are waiting until spring to sign. By de-committing you release all the sharks into the water.
If Gathers is just unsure and St J still leads why term it a de-committment instead of just saying you are waiting until spring to sign. By de-committing you release all the sharks into the water.
Saw someone tweet on darrick woods twitter page, im not to twitter or computer savy to copy and post it lol.Here's one, didn't see anything else on Wood's or Rico's twit feed:
Gathers is going to be at the garden today for game, good sign. Just wish it was for the championship game.
Gathers was in fact in the Garden for our game against A&M. He was sitting near the student section. We had a "We Want Gathers" chant and he laughed, smiled and waved to us.
Gathers was in fact in the Garden for our game against A&M. He was sitting near the student section. We had a "We Want Gathers" chant and he laughed, smiled and waved to us.
Just like Kyle Anderson waved to the Seton Hall fan who came to watch him play. Showing the kid love only works when others are not showing them $$$$$$$$, ;D
Gathers was in fact in the Garden for our game against A&M. He was sitting near the student section. We had a "We Want Gathers" chant and he laughed, smiled and waved to us.
Just like Kyle Anderson waved to the Seton Hall fan who came to watch him play. Showing the kid love only works when others are not showing them $$$$$$$$, ;D
Except that the Seton Hall fans went to see Kyle Anderson play locally in New Jersey, whereas in this case, Ricardo Gathers (a) went to see St. John's play, not vice versa, and (b) he traveled all the way from Baton Rouge to the Garden.
Gathers was in fact in the Garden for our game against A&M. He was sitting near the student section. We had a "We Want Gathers" chant and he laughed, smiled and waved to us.
Hey Mr. positive, there was a reason he choose SJU in the first place. And as far as winning games against quality opponents how bout last year when we beat Pitt, Uconn, Nova and duke? And a top staff who will make sure players get to play at the next level here or overseas.
Seems like several new schools are attempting to get involved....
Duke, Florida, NC State, Georgetown, LSU, Florida, UConn, USC and Colorado have all called '12 PF Ricardo Gathers since he decommited
https://twitter.com/#!/UConnChev/status/139114521011814400
Seems like several new schools are attempting to get involved....
Duke, Florida, NC State, Georgetown, LSU, Florida, UConn, USC and Colorado have all called '12 PF Ricardo Gathers since he decommited
https://twitter.com/#!/UConnChev/status/139114521011814400
Awesome
I never want to see Coach K sniffing around our recruits. Not worried about any other program.
I never want to see Coach K sniffing around our recruits. Not worried about any other program.
But Quinn's going to "Duke." It's the ultimate .......... giving them a beatdown! :knuppel2:I never want to see Coach K sniffing around our recruits. Not worried about any other program.
Quinn cook should've come here though. He's averaging about 4 minutes per game there with little impact on their gameplan. He would have been playing here.
I was at the A&M game in the student section, he seemed very happy to be there and was very cool with the student section. After the STJ game he was leaving and I yelled "I love you Ricardo" and he started laughing and turned around and waved and said "I love you too!"I think you are the "Big Fan." :2funny: (http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjA3ODEzMTk3N15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjk1MzY2Mg@@._V1._SY317_.jpg)
Lets just say if we land him again, it was all me. lol
I haven't seen this angle before...
http://www.news-press.com/article/20111218/CITYOFPALMS/312180036/Basketball-now-football-future-?odyssey=mod%7Cbreaking%7Cart1 (http://www.news-press.com/article/20111218/CITYOFPALMS/312180036/Basketball-now-football-future-?odyssey=mod%7Cbreaking%7Cart1)
For the most part, however, football players throughout Southwest Florida have trended against also playing basketball. They have done the opposite of Reserve (La.) Riverside senior forward Ricardo Gathers, who stands 6-8 and weighs 260 pounds.
Gathers chose the hardwood over the gridiron.
“I played football until my freshman year,” Gathers said. “I basically kept my faith in basketball. People kept telling me, ‘You’ll be a No. 1 prospect in football.’ But basketball is what I love. I didn’t have any love to play football.”
The vision of making millions of dollars as a potential high NFL Draft pick, however, has given Gathers a second thought about football. He dropped his verbal commitment to play basketball at St. John’s, which does not have a football program. He is still considering the Red Storm along with Baylor, LSU, USC, California, N.C. State, Duke and Florida, all schools that play football and some of which contend for the BCS title each year.
“I would put it at 99 to 1 of my playing football,” Gathers said, meaning basketball trumps football 99-1.
Lavin and Billy Donovan at Gathers' game yesterday. IMO Florida may be serious competition.
. After the STJ game he was leaving and I yelled "I love you Ricardo" and he started laughing and turned around and waved and said "I love you too!"
Lavin and Billy Donovan at Gathers' game yesterday. IMO Florida may be serious competition.
Well according to Rivals article today/yesterday- Gathers, who is 6 feet 7, 260 pounds, noted Baylor, North Carolina State, Duke, LSU and St. John's as the five schools recruiting him the hardest.
. After the STJ game he was leaving and I yelled "I love you Ricardo" and he started laughing and turned around and waved and said "I love you too!"
I really hope you are a girl
Lavin and Billy Donovan at Gathers' game yesterday. IMO Florida may be serious competition.
Well according to Rivals article today/yesterday- Gathers, who is 6 feet 7, 260 pounds, noted Baylor, North Carolina State, Duke, LSU and St. John's as the five schools recruiting him the hardest.
Per Rivals....
It was nothing short of a heavyweight battle with Ricardo Gathers leading his Reserve (La.) Riverside team against Tony Parker and his Miller Grove crew. Riverside got up big early and held on with Gathers sealing the deal.
Parker struggled early on and a dialed-in Riverside squad jumped out to a 20-7 lead after a Gathers' three-pointer to end the first quarter. Parker settled down in the second quarter, Miller Grove began its gradual chipping away at Riverside's lead.
Eventually Miller Grove, playing without the fouled-out Parker on the floor, hit a three-pointer to take a one point lead with one minute remaining in the game.
Gathers proceeded to put the finishing touch on his dominating performance. On the ensuing possession he had the assist on Riverside's game-winning shot. Then he contested a driving shot and grabbed a rebound in traffic where he was fouled. He made the frontend of a one and one and then grabbed the final rebound of the game.
End result - Riverside 59, Miller Grove 55.
Gathers' 19 points and 15 rebounds don't do justice to his full impact on the game. Choose your metaphor- Rock of Gibraltar, Spartacus, Samson with hair.
Gathers' simply brings a man's game and a man's approach to a court full of teenagers. His skill set is expanding and his physicality and competitive desire is unmatched at this level.
Florida's Billy Donovan and St John's head coach Steve Lavin were on hand to watch Gathers' performance.
Parker by no means backed away from the battle. He had an impressive six blocks and scored 14 points to go with six rebounds.
But as the game wore on, Gathers just had more explosiveness off the floor and easily matched Parker's strength. Parker's 6-of-21 shooting from the field provides evidence of his dilemma. Gathers was slightly better from the field, hitting 8-of-19 shots.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1308301 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1308301)
Marcus,
I agree that we need Gathers to work up front with Mo-a front line of Mo, Gathers and GG would be very solid-with Mo playing SF he would be playing in a more natural position IMHO, and the added beef of Gathers would help GG battle the bigger front lines we will face. Would like Obekpa as a backup to GG for a year as well-could always use a defensive minded center with rebounding skills as well-which I've heard Obekpa has.
We do seem to need a shooter or two as well-I hope the "mystery" player really is a good to excellent shooter.
Can someone please fill me in, or point me in the direction, in regards to this" Mystery" recruit. Is this a cruel joke or something?
Come on now. Didn't we go down this road before, a few years ago, and it was all a sham.
Can someone please fill me in, or point me in the direction, in regards to this" Mystery" recruit. Is this a cruel joke or something?
Come on now. Didn't we go down this road before, a few years ago, and it was all a sham.
Makes a lot of sense actually. Administration spreads this rumor. Maybe they sell a few more season ticket packages. So we really believe a savior is coming? I'd be thrilled if we get Garrett. That's a lot right there.
Can someone please fill me in, or point me in the direction, in regards to this" Mystery" recruit. Is this a cruel joke or something?
Come on now. Didn't we go down this road before, a few years ago, and it was all a sham.
Makes a lot of sense actually. Administration spreads this rumor. Maybe they sell a few more season ticket packages. So we really believe a savior is coming? I'd be thrilled if we get Garrett. That's a lot right there.
The mystery transfer is not a savior.
Can someone please fill me in, or point me in the direction, in regards to this" Mystery" recruit. Is this a cruel joke or something?
Come on now. Didn't we go down this road before, a few years ago, and it was all a sham.
Makes a lot of sense actually. Administration spreads this rumor. Maybe they sell a few more season ticket packages. So we really believe a savior is coming? I'd be thrilled if we get Garrett. That's a lot right there.
The mystery transfer is not a savior.
Moose, you seem to have some information regarding this mystery transfer based on your posts on the subject, correct? If true, and if you can't reveal his identity for whatever reason, can you at least give us an idea of the type of player he is (e.g., high major transfer PF between 6'7 and 6'9)?
Per Dave Telep.... Ricardo gathers thoughts at City of Palms
Not that he didn’t pick a big time enough school the first time around, but there’s something different with Ricardo Gathers (LaPlace, La./Reserve Christian) as he approaches his next decision. The former St. John’s commitment who has played his way into the elite, wants to play on the biggest stage.
“Now, I’m thinking outside the box,” Gathers said. “Now I’m looking ahead. I’m trying to go big now with [programs like Duke, Georgetown, Kentucky].” Make no mistake about it, Gathers is an elite recruit and you’d expect his final list of schools to reflect that. Now, Duke, Baylor and Florida should consider themselves in the mix; in addition to the Red Storm.
For the programs that are recruiting Gathers, many are finding out that talking to him isn’t easy. This time around his brother is handling most of the conversations while he focuses on his season. “I really haven’t spoke to many schools since the decommitment.” Gathers talked to Scott Drew and he’s spoken with Billy Donovan but has yet to converse with Mike Krzyzewski.
The bold quote is pretty much what I've thought. I, truly hope we land him again, but I wouldn't bank on it.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=621&_slug_=ricardo-gathers-his-thoughts-at-city-of-palms&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fblog%2fdave-telep%2fpost%3fid%3d621%26_slug_%3dricardo-gathers-his-thoughts-at-city-of-palms (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=621&_slug_=ricardo-gathers-his-thoughts-at-city-of-palms&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fblog%2fdave-telep%2fpost%3fid%3d621%26_slug_%3dricardo-gathers-his-thoughts-at-city-of-palms)
Prior to this article weren't you pretty confident on Gathers?
Per Dave Telep.... Ricardo gathers thoughts at City of Palms
Not that he didn’t pick a big time enough school the first time around, but there’s something different with Ricardo Gathers (LaPlace, La./Reserve Christian) as he approaches his next decision. The former St. John’s commitment who has played his way into the elite, wants to play on the biggest stage.
“Now, I’m thinking outside the box,” Gathers said. “Now I’m looking ahead. I’m trying to go big now with [programs like Duke, Georgetown, Kentucky].” Make no mistake about it, Gathers is an elite recruit and you’d expect his final list of schools to reflect that. Now, Duke, Baylor and Florida should consider themselves in the mix; in addition to the Red Storm.
For the programs that are recruiting Gathers, many are finding out that talking to him isn’t easy. This time around his brother is handling most of the conversations while he focuses on his season. “I really haven’t spoke to many schools since the decommitment.” Gathers talked to Scott Drew and he’s spoken with Billy Donovan but has yet to converse with Mike Krzyzewski.
The bold quote is pretty much what I've thought. I, truly hope we land him again, but I wouldn't bank on it.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=621&_slug_=ricardo-gathers-his-thoughts-at-city-of-palms&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fblog%2fdave-telep%2fpost%3fid%3d621%26_slug_%3dricardo-gathers-his-thoughts-at-city-of-palms (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=621&_slug_=ricardo-gathers-his-thoughts-at-city-of-palms&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fblog%2fdave-telep%2fpost%3fid%3d621%26_slug_%3dricardo-gathers-his-thoughts-at-city-of-palms)
Prior to this article weren't you pretty confident on Gathers?
Georgetown? Duke and UK I understand. But Rico has to understand that SJU is building this thing up back to a "big" program once again as well. Those schools all want to play against SJU at MSG. We thrashed teams like Duke, Uconn last season. He has to realize that he'll be competing at the top with a few more pieces here at SJU. Not too many more talented forward combos out there than Harkless and Gathers IMO. Lots of promise here. Gathers can be part of the "big time" future over next few years and earn full-time minutes doing so.
Georgetown? Duke and UK I understand. But Rico has to understand that SJU is building this thing up back to a "big" program once again as well. Those schools all want to play against SJU at MSG. We thrashed teams like Duke, Uconn last season. He has to realize that he'll be competing at the top with a few more pieces here at SJU. Not too many more talented forward combos out there than Harkless and Gathers IMO. Lots of promise here. Gathers can be part of the "big time" future over next few years and earn full-time minutes doing so.
Agree with your entire post, MCN. I've stated above what I think is transpiring with his recruitment.
we've had enough setbacks this year to knock us out of the box with gathers. we won't be "big time" for another couple of years, sad to say.
we've had enough setbacks this year to knock us out of the box with gathers. we won't be "big time" for another couple of years, sad to say.
Georgetown? Duke and UK I understand. But Rico has to understand that SJU is building this thing up back to a "big" program once again as well. Those schools all want to play against SJU at MSG. We thrashed teams like Duke, Uconn last season. He has to realize that he'll be competing at the top with a few more pieces here at SJU. Not too many more talented forward combos out there than Harkless and Gathers IMO. Lots of promise here. Gathers can be part of the "big time" future over next few years and earn full-time minutes doing so.
Agree with your entire post, MCN. I've stated above what I think is transpiring with his recruitment.
Yeah, hard to say. He had "big" schools recruiting him before too. Hard to say what is lip service and what isn't. He isn't talking to these schools right now anyway. We'll have a chance to see when his season is over. I still like the fact that he's just concentrating on the season and isn't shopping schools right now. Once he re-assesses in the spring we should have a better idea. He just needs to realize that he'll be a bigger deal here than some of these other places.
Unfortunately i have to say that i agree with the posters who are no longer confident Gathers will come here.Doubt he will be sitting at the end of anyone's bench next season and that would include the NJ Nets.
I think we will be seeing him siting on the end of the bench at Duke or Kentucky next year instead of starting for St johns
Hearing this thinking "outside of the box," it's dripping with irony. Choosing St. John's is "out of the box." The rest of the schools are in the box, the perceived sure bet.Per Dave Telep.... Ricardo gathers thoughts at City of Palms
Not that he didn’t pick a big time enough school the first time around, but there’s something different with Ricardo Gathers (LaPlace, La./Reserve Christian) as he approaches his next decision. The former St. John’s commitment who has played his way into the elite, wants to play on the biggest stage.
“Now, I’m thinking outside the box,” Gathers said. “Now I’m looking ahead. I’m trying to go big now with [programs like Duke, Georgetown, Kentucky].” Make no mistake about it, Gathers is an elite recruit and you’d expect his final list of schools to reflect that. Now, Duke, Baylor and Florida should consider themselves in the mix; in addition to the Red Storm.
For the programs that are recruiting Gathers, many are finding out that talking to him isn’t easy. This time around his brother is handling most of the conversations while he focuses on his season. “I really haven’t spoke to many schools since the decommitment.” Gathers talked to Scott Drew and he’s spoken with Billy Donovan but has yet to converse with Mike Krzyzewski.
The bold quote is pretty much what I've thought. I, truly hope we land him again, but I wouldn't bank on it.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=621&_slug_=ricardo-gathers-his-thoughts-at-city-of-palms&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fblog%2fdave-telep%2fpost%3fid%3d621%26_slug_%3dricardo-gathers-his-thoughts-at-city-of-palms (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/dave-telep/post?id=621&_slug_=ricardo-gathers-his-thoughts-at-city-of-palms&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fblog%2fdave-telep%2fpost%3fid%3d621%26_slug_%3dricardo-gathers-his-thoughts-at-city-of-palms)
Prior to this article weren't you pretty confident on Gathers?
This quote speaks volumes:
“Now, I’m thinking outside the box,” Gathers said. “Now I’m looking ahead. I’m trying to go big now with [programs like Duke, Georgetown, Kentucky].”
doesn't look good for us.
someone posted on twitter that tony chiles was watching Gathers again tonight.
i didn't see chiles at the fordham game and i suspect that he'll likely miss more games as the season progresses. expect him to be on the road a lot this year.
someone posted on twitter that tony chiles was watching Gathers again tonight.
i didn't see chiles at the fordham game and i suspect that he'll likely miss more games as the season progresses. expect him to be on the road a lot this year.
I was looking for him and didnt see him on the bench.
Was he really not at the Fordham game?
someone posted on twitter that tony chiles was watching Gathers again tonight.
i didn't see chiles at the fordham game and i suspect that he'll likely miss more games as the season progresses. expect him to be on the road a lot this year.
I was looking for him and didnt see him on the bench.
Was he really not at the Fordham game?
Unfortunately i have to say that i agree with the posters who are no longer confident Gathers will come here.Doubt he will be sitting at the end of anyone's bench next season and that would include the NJ Nets.
I think we will be seeing him siting on the end of the bench at Duke or Kentucky next year instead of starting for St johns
Unfortunately i have to say that i agree with the posters who are no longer confident Gathers will come here.Doubt he will be sitting at the end of anyone's bench next season and that would include the NJ Nets.
I think we will be seeing him siting on the end of the bench at Duke or Kentucky next year instead of starting for St johns
The kid is barley 6-7. he will struggle a bit to adjust and will never be a good defender on D-1 college nor NBA level. Which is why honestly, i prefer Jakarr.
Oh and he would most definately be on end of bench as a frosh at Duke or Kentucky. He will develop into a good NBA backup but unless he can transition to the 3 like Michael Beasley, he will never start as a pro.
Unfortunately i have to say that i agree with the posters who are no longer confident Gathers will come here.Doubt he will be sitting at the end of anyone's bench next season and that would include the NJ Nets.
I think we will be seeing him siting on the end of the bench at Duke or Kentucky next year instead of starting for St johns
The kid is barley 6-7. he will struggle a bit to adjust and will never be a good defender on D-1 college nor NBA level. Which is why honestly, i prefer Jakarr.
Oh and he would most definately be on end of bench as a frosh at Duke or Kentucky. He will develop into a good NBA backup but unless he can transition to the 3 like Michael Beasley, he will never start as a pro.
I think he could be a good defensive player. Remember how good Dejuan Blair was at d'ing up in the post albeit he had ridiculously long arms, I think gathers could do the same.
Unfortunately i have to say that i agree with the posters who are no longer confident Gathers will come here.Doubt he will be sitting at the end of anyone's bench next season and that would include the NJ Nets.
I think we will be seeing him siting on the end of the bench at Duke or Kentucky next year instead of starting for St johns
I want all of Obekpa, gathers and Jakarr or any combination we can get. All are totally different and valuable in their own right.
The kid is barley 6-7. he will struggle a bit to adjust and will never be a good defender on D-1 college nor NBA level. Which is why honestly, i prefer Jakarr.
Oh and he would most definately be on end of bench as a frosh at Duke or Kentucky. He will develop into a good NBA backup but unless he can transition to the 3 like Michael Beasley, he will never start as a pro.
I think he could be a good defensive player. Remember how good Dejuan Blair was at d'ing up in the post albeit he had ridiculously long arms, I think gathers could do the same.
I have read that the "bad rap" on Gathers is that he has short arms, and that while he may be a man among boys in high school ball, in the NBA, he'll be no bigger than anyone else playing PF. That said, I would still love to have him here.
who cares..... i didnt get my jordan 11's because my stupid wife couldnt take 1 day off of work to watch the kids so i could wait in line. im so freaking pissed right now i dont care about anything. U HEAR ME ANYTHING DAMN A RICARDO GATHERS. THAT BASTARD PROBABLY GOT A PAIR OF MY SHOES THAT SON OF A BITCH.
Let's be honest. If you had an offer to play at Duke or St. John's, which one would you choose?
As much as I'd love to see Gathers end up here, that quote is basically writing us off. We're not an elite school (academically or athletically) and it's next to impossible to compete against the likes of those powerhouses. Again, I hope he changes his mind, but the odds are definitely not in our favor.
Let's be honest. If you had an offer to play at Duke or St. John's, which one would you choose?
As much as I'd love to see Gathers end up here, that quote is basically writing us off. We're not an elite school (academically or athletically) and it's next to impossible to compete against the likes of those powerhouses. Again, I hope he changes his mind, but the odds are definitely not in our favor.
who cares..... i didnt get my jordan 11's because my stupid wife couldnt take 1 day off of work to watch the kids so i could wait in line. im so freaking pissed right now i dont care about anything. U HEAR ME ANYTHING DAMN A RICARDO GATHERS. THAT BASTARD PROBABLY GOT A PAIR OF MY SHOES THAT SON OF A BITCH.
who cares..... i didnt get my jordan 11's because my stupid wife couldnt take 1 day off of work to watch the kids so i could wait in line. im so freaking pissed right now i dont care about anything. U HEAR ME ANYTHING DAMN A RICARDO GATHERS. THAT BASTARD PROBABLY GOT A PAIR OF MY SHOES THAT SON OF A BITCH.
http://deadspin.com/5870837/ (http://deadspin.com/5870837/)
who cares..... i didnt get my jordan 11's because my stupid wife couldnt take 1 day off of work to watch the kids so i could wait in line. im so freaking pissed right now i dont care about anything. U HEAR ME ANYTHING DAMN A RICARDO GATHERS. THAT BASTARD PROBABLY GOT A PAIR OF MY SHOES THAT SON OF A BITCH.
http://deadspin.com/5870837/ (http://deadspin.com/5870837/)
Let's be honest. If you had an offer to play at Duke or St. John's, which one would you choose?
As much as I'd love to see Gathers end up here, that quote is basically writing us off. We're not an elite school (academically or athletically) and it's next to impossible to compete against the likes of those powerhouses. Again, I hope he changes his mind, but the odds are definitely not in our favor.
And the ACC will take over as top hoops conference. He'll want to play with the best
Let's be honest. If you had an offer to play at Duke or St. John's, which one would you choose?
As much as I'd love to see Gathers end up here, that quote is basically writing us off. We're not an elite school (academically or athletically) and it's next to impossible to compete against the likes of those powerhouses. Again, I hope he changes his mind, but the odds are definitely not in our favor.
And the ACC will take over as top hoops conference. He'll want to play with the best
******you just cannot help yourself! The Big East will be the same as this year NEXT year and will be one of the top 3 BB conferences. What makes you think in 2014 they will not be top 3? Gathers is Duke's 3rd option after Parker and Muhammad! If he is that good a student best of luck to him. We at SJ will get 2 or 3 really good players to compliment the 6 we have already. I cannot say the same about Iona.
Let's be honest. If you had an offer to play at Duke or St. John's, which one would you choose?
As much as I'd love to see Gathers end up here, that quote is basically writing us off. We're not an elite school (academically or athletically) and it's next to impossible to compete against the likes of those powerhouses. Again, I hope he changes his mind, but the odds are definitely not in our favor.
And the ACC will take over as top hoops conference. He'll want to play with the best
******you just cannot help yourself! The Big East will be the same as this year NEXT year and will be one of the top 3 BB conferences. What makes you think in 2014 they will not be top 3? Gathers is Duke's 3rd option after Parker and Muhammad! If he is that good a student best of luck to him. We at SJ will get 2 or 3 really good players to compliment the 6 we have already. I cannot say the same about Iona.
Cant help myself? You think the Big East will be better than the ACC when Cuse and Pitt join?
And why must you always harp on Iona?
Let's be honest. If you had an offer to play at Duke or St. John's, which one would you choose?
As much as I'd love to see Gathers end up here, that quote is basically writing us off. We're not an elite school (academically or athletically) and it's next to impossible to compete against the likes of those powerhouses. Again, I hope he changes his mind, but the odds are definitely not in our favor.
And the ACC will take over as top hoops conference. He'll want to play with the best
******you just cannot help yourself! The Big East will be the same as this year NEXT year and will be one of the top 3 BB conferences. What makes you think in 2014 they will not be top 3? Gathers is Duke's 3rd option after Parker and Muhammad! If he is that good a student best of luck to him. We at SJ will get 2 or 3 really good players to compliment the 6 we have already. I cannot say the same about Iona.
Cant help myself? You think the Big East will be better than the ACC when Cuse and Pitt join?
And why must you always harp on Iona?
First of all......I mention Iona for your pleasure.....and next year ......displeasure!
Second, If you can predict the college basketball power rankings for 2014, you are much smarter than you give yourself credit for.
Third, you are assuming JB will still be coaching Cuse in 2014 after all the sh*t hits the fan.....it is not even close to being over.
Fourth, by 2014.... For all we know, Villanova, St. John's, Georgetown, Marquette, Seton Hall, Providence, Houston, and Louisville can all be as good as their ACC equivalents...or should I say Big East South.
But who am I to argue with such a Nostradamus ??????
Let's be honest. If you had an offer to play at Duke or St. John's, which one would you choose?
As much as I'd love to see Gathers end up here, that quote is basically writing us off. We're not an elite school (academically or athletically) and it's next to impossible to compete against the likes of those powerhouses. Again, I hope he changes his mind, but the odds are definitely not in our favor.
And the ACC will take over as top hoops conference. He'll want to play with the best
******you just cannot help yourself! The Big East will be the same as this year NEXT year and will be one of the top 3 BB conferences. What makes you think in 2014 they will not be top 3? Gathers is Duke's 3rd option after Parker and Muhammad! If he is that good a student best of luck to him. We at SJ will get 2 or 3 really good players to compliment the 6 we have already. I cannot say the same about Iona.
Cant help myself? You think the Big East will be better than the ACC when Cuse and Pitt join?
And why must you always harp on Iona?
First of all......I mention Iona for your pleasure.....and next year ......displeasure!
Second, If you can predict the college basketball power rankings for 2014, you are much smarter than you give yourself credit for.
Third, you are assuming JB will still be coaching Cuse in 2014 after all the sh*t hits the fan.....it is not even close to being over.
Fourth, by 2014.... For all we know, Villanova, St. John's, Georgetown, Marquette, Seton Hall, Providence, Houston, and Louisville can all be as good as their ACC equivalents...or should I say Big East South.
But who am I to argue with such a Nostradamus ??????
Iona will be fine in the next few years, definitely a step back with Machado and Glover gone. But Cluess and Grasso will have them at the top of the MAAC every year imo. Who wouldnt want to play for them?
I too, was figuring Rutgers and UConn would be gone shortly as well. Its not a knock on the league saying they wouldnt be the best, considering who is leaving. Its a shame football is killing the Big East. I guess we can say Notre Dame has a big f you in this not joing the conference in football
Cluess and Lavs definitely have different coaching styles. Both proven winners. Lavs at the highest level ( not counting NBA). IMO, a matter of time till Cluess is heading a major Div 1 school in a major conference. Some kids excel under the "tough", brash coaching style. other wilt away. Depends on the kid. Bobby Knight, was , and still is, a total jerk-off, yet kids and parents were dying to play for him. No one method or style is right. All that matters is that you win and you do it the right way.
If we could land Gathers and somebody get rid of Baldi from this site, it would really make my Christmas!
If we could land Gathers and somebody get rid of Baldi from this site, it would really make my Christmas!
Not sure why you guys hate me so much.
But whats more likely, Gathers coming or me rid of this site?
If we could land Gathers and somebody get rid of Baldi from this site, it would really make my Christmas!
Not sure why you guys hate me so much.
But whats more likely, Gathers coming or me rid of this site?
Nobody hates you. Hate is a strong word. Just extremely irritating to have an Iona flamer here as a mod who continues to denigrate SJU and push negative rumors. Some might question your loyalties. I'm sorry to say that most of your posts are a turn-off for SJU fans visiting this forum. Who wants to come to this board and read a mod spew the negatives of SJU and the positives of Iona all day? C'mon...
If we could land Gathers and somebody get rid of Baldi from this site, it would really make my Christmas!
Not sure why you guys hate me so much.
But whats more likely, Gathers coming or me rid of this site?
Nobody hates you. Hate is a strong word. Just extremely irritating to have an Iona flamer here as a mod who continues to denigrate SJU and push negative rumors. Some might question your loyalties. I'm sorry to say that most of your posts are a turn-off for SJU fans visiting this forum. Who wants to come to this board and read a mod spew the negatives of SJU and the positives of Iona all day? C'mon...
Didnt want to make a big deal out of this, but Im not a mod. I grew up a St Johns fan, but went to school at Iona. If the 2 played each other, my head would explode
MCPNA is right.. You have been unbearable the last few months.. Might have been funny for a while, but has gotten really old.
1. Chiles was in Florida and its not uncommon practice for assistants to be on the road in December and miss games.Where Baldi loses credibility is he was on here basically defending Norm till the end of the time.
2. Lay off Baldi. He's excited about Iona and rightfully so. They're awesome this year and he's always posted about them and St. John's its just people are finally paying attention to it.
3. ACC is definitely becoming a superior conference with addition of Cuse and Pitt. That's a fact. So what?
4. Gathers is going to sign late in the spring. St. John's is more in the mix than any other school. What happened to everyone's confidence lately? Relax.
I liked Norm because he wasnt Jarvis. He gaves us guys we could root for. Guys like Paris Horne,Burrell etc. Guys like Sean Evans. But I did answer your question, Lavin pulled them together. Ceiling with Norm was 1st round loss in tournyThe NIT tourney.
I liked Norm because he wasnt Jarvis. He gaves us guys we could root for. Guys like Paris Horne,Burrell etc. Guys like Sean Evans. But I did answer your question, Lavin pulled them together. Ceiling with Norm was 1st round loss in tournyThe NIT tourney.
No way Norm would have beaten Duke,Gtown,Pitt,Uconn etc last year.
We had the best run over 1-2 months I had seen since Jarvis in the beginning. Norm's best was 2 games in a row
I liked Norm because he wasnt Jarvis. He gaves us guys we could root for. Guys like Paris Horne,Burrell etc. Guys like Sean Evans. But I did answer your question, Lavin pulled them together. Ceiling with Norm was 1st round loss in tournyThe NIT tourney.
No way Norm would have beaten Duke,Gtown,Pitt,Uconn etc last year.
We had the best run over 1-2 months I had seen since Jarvis in the beginning. Norm's best was 2 games in a row
A team with 9 seniors, who have been thru hell and back. Realfan,mjmaher or Baldi could have coached them to the tourney
I liked Norm because he wasnt Jarvis. He gaves us guys we could root for. Guys like Paris Horne,Burrell etc. Guys like Sean Evans. But I did answer your question, Lavin pulled them together. Ceiling with Norm was 1st round loss in tournyThe NIT tourney.
No way Norm would have beaten Duke,Gtown,Pitt,Uconn etc last year.
We had the best run over 1-2 months I had seen since Jarvis in the beginning. Norm's best was 2 games in a row
A team with 9 seniors, who have been thru hell and back. Realfan,mjmaher or Baldi could have coached them to the tourney
Baldi here is where you lose credibility again.
1. Chiles was in Florida and its not uncommon practice for assistants to be on the road in December and miss games.
2. Lay off Baldi. He's excited about Iona and rightfully so. They're awesome this year and he's always posted about them and St. John's its just people are finally paying attention to it.
3. ACC is definitely becoming a superior conference with addition of Cuse and Pitt. That's a fact. So what?
4. Gathers is going to sign late in the spring. St. John's is more in the mix than any other school. What happened to everyone's confidence lately? Relax.
I liked Norm because he wasnt Jarvis. He gaves us guys we could root for. Guys like Paris Horne,Burrell etc. Guys like Sean Evans. But I did answer your question, Lavin pulled them together. Ceiling with Norm was 1st round loss in tournyThe NIT tourney.
No way Norm would have beaten Duke,Gtown,Pitt,Uconn etc last year.
We had the best run over 1-2 months I had seen since Jarvis in the beginning. Norm's best was 2 games in a row
A team with 9 seniors, who have been thru hell and back. Realfan,mjmaher or Baldi could have coached them to the tourney
Baldi here is where you lose credibility again.
Yoou dont think Lavin stepped into a great situation? Some coaches would love walking into a senior laden team with schollies to give and bring in their own guys. Hell he got rid of Omari,lost Polee and asked Stith to go. This mess could have been diverted
I liked Norm because he wasnt Jarvis. He gaves us guys we could root for. Guys like Paris Horne,Burrell etc. Guys like Sean Evans. But I did answer your question, Lavin pulled them together. Ceiling with Norm was 1st round loss in tournyThe NIT tourney.
No way Norm would have beaten Duke,Gtown,Pitt,Uconn etc last year.
We had the best run over 1-2 months I had seen since Jarvis in the beginning. Norm's best was 2 games in a row
A team with 9 seniors, who have been thru hell and back. Realfan,mjmaher or Baldi could have coached them to the tourney
Baldi here is where you lose credibility again.
Yoou dont think Lavin stepped into a great situation? Some coaches would love walking into a senior laden team with schollies to give and bring in their own guys. Hell he got rid of Omari,lost Polee and asked Stith to go. This mess could have been diverted
I liked Norm because he wasnt Jarvis. He gaves us guys we could root for. Guys like Paris Horne,Burrell etc. Guys like Sean Evans. But I did answer your question, Lavin pulled them together. Ceiling with Norm was 1st round loss in tournyThe NIT tourney.
No way Norm would have beaten Duke,Gtown,Pitt,Uconn etc last year.
We had the best run over 1-2 months I had seen since Jarvis in the beginning. Norm's best was 2 games in a row
A team with 9 seniors, who have been thru hell and back. Realfan,mjmaher or Baldi could have coached them to the tourney
Baldi here is where you lose credibility again.
Yoou dont think Lavin stepped into a great situation? Some coaches would love walking into a senior laden team with schollies to give and bring in their own guys. Hell he got rid of Omari,lost Polee and asked Stith to go. This mess could have been diverted
No. You wrong Baldi.
The group was undisciplined on the court.
They couldnt close out games.
They couldnt compete on the road.
They were all put in the wrong roles.
Quite frank, it was a miracle job coachin them to that much success last year.
Best believe.
I liked Norm because he wasnt Jarvis. He gaves us guys we could root for. Guys like Paris Horne,Burrell etc. Guys like Sean Evans. But I did answer your question, Lavin pulled them together. Ceiling with Norm was 1st round loss in tournyThe NIT tourney.
No way Norm would have beaten Duke,Gtown,Pitt,Uconn etc last year.
We had the best run over 1-2 months I had seen since Jarvis in the beginning. Norm's best was 2 games in a row
A team with 9 seniors, who have been thru hell and back. Realfan,mjmaher or Baldi could have coached them to the tourney
Baldi here is where you lose credibility again.
Yoou dont think Lavin stepped into a great situation? Some coaches would love walking into a senior laden team with schollies to give and bring in their own guys. Hell he got rid of Omari,lost Polee and asked Stith to go. This mess could have been diverted
The same senior laden team that had never came close to tasting any form of winning in the Big East. A roster full of guys who had never won in their years on the team.
Believe it or not, a load of scholarships like Lavin had at his disposal can also be a hinderance, as well, as we saw it could be. It can be good and bad.
He asked Omari,Stith to leave and lost Polee and Ron Roberts. 3 would have started on this team, and 3 were eligible
He asked Omari,Stith to leave and lost Polee and Ron Roberts. 3 would have started on this team, and 3 were eligible
Okay.... And? What does that have to do with the team succeeding last season?
Never say those players suck.
Check five year of posts and you aint gonna find nuthin of the sort.
You used to be fun bre.
Now the act is worn thin.
Later.
Never say those players suck.
Check five year of posts and you aint gonna find nuthin of the sort.
You used to be fun bre.
Now the act is worn thin.
Later.
Never say those players suck.
Check five year of posts and you aint gonna find nuthin of the sort.
You used to be fun bre.
Now the act is worn thin.
Later.
He's trying to manipulate the argument into something else, Choz.
Baldi give it up. Go out and make yourself useful, instead of constantly running rampant on this board.
Please with the Slick Rick stuff.I liked Norm because he wasnt Jarvis. He gaves us guys we could root for. Guys like Paris Horne,Burrell etc. Guys like Sean Evans. But I did answer your question, Lavin pulled them together. Ceiling with Norm was 1st round loss in tournyThe NIT tourney.
No way Norm would have beaten Duke,Gtown,Pitt,Uconn etc last year.
We had the best run over 1-2 months I had seen since Jarvis in the beginning. Norm's best was 2 games in a row
A team with 9 seniors, who have been thru hell and back. Realfan,mjmaher or Baldi could have coached them to the tourney
Baldi here is where you lose credibility again.
Yoou dont think Lavin stepped into a great situation? Some coaches would love walking into a senior laden team with schollies to give and bring in their own guys. Hell he got rid of Omari,lost Polee and asked Stith to go. This mess could have been diverted
No. You wrong Baldi.
The group was undisciplined on the court.
They couldnt close out games.
They couldnt compete on the road.
They were all put in the wrong roles.
Quite frank, it was a miracle job coachin them to that much success last year.
Best believe.
Im wrong? You had team full of seniors, even Pitino picked them top of the conference. I guess you guys are right , our guys sucked. It was all on the coach
Never say those players suck.
Check five year of posts and you aint gonna find nuthin of the sort.
You used to be fun bre.
Now the act is worn thin.
Later.
He's great in living room, but right now we need him in lockerroom
We got waxed in the 1st round,. Hardy ran out of miracles
We got waxed in the 1st round,. Hardy ran out of miracles
You're right moose,where's Gathers going anyway?
1. Chiles was in Florida and its not uncommon practice for assistants to be on the road in December and miss games.
2. Lay off Baldi. He's excited about Iona and rightfully so. They're awesome this year and he's always posted about them and St. John's its just people are finally paying attention to it.
3. ACC is definitely becoming a superior conference with addition of Cuse and Pitt. That's a fact. So what?
4. Gathers is going to sign late in the spring. St. John's is more in the mix than any other school. What happened to everyone's confidence lately? Relax.
So sick I should call my posts in from a warmer place. Just to make sure you gsuys think everythngs alright
1. Chiles was in Florida and its not uncommon practice for assistants to be on the road in December and miss games.
2. Lay off Baldi. He's excited about Iona and rightfully so. They're awesome this year and he's always posted about them and St. John's its just people are finally paying attention to it.
3. ACC is definitely becoming a superior conference with addition of Cuse and Pitt. That's a fact. So what?
4. Gathers is going to sign late in the spring. St. John's is more in the mix than any other school. What happened to everyone's confidence lately? Relax.
ACC is becoming a stronger conference, yes.....but your former universal mod Baldi is predicting conference power rankings for 2013-14.... which is the first season Pitt and Cuse will play in the ACC. They may be stronger and they may not be depending on who is coaching and playing by then. My money is Boeheim will not coach a day in the ACC. There is no guarantee Pitt will be a super-power in 2014.......heck, they are nationally ranked now and lost to Wagner at home tonight with the Wagner guards outplaying their Pitt counterparts.
Lay off Baldi? No way Dave! Being the liberal host of this fan site that you are and allowing him to troll and flame why would some SJ fans lay off when he insults a coach recovering from ....CANCER?? You think that is funny? I do not care if he bought stock in JJ or if he is dating your sister, if he goes after one of ours, he is fair game.
Finally, his wise-arse comment about coaching from sunny Florida was another delibertae low blow to a coach trying to re-sign the most important 2012 recruit Gathers........which, after all the B.S. was the subject of this thread!
I liked Norm because he wasnt Jarvis. He gaves us guys we could root for. Guys like Paris Horne,Burrell etc. Guys like Sean Evans. But I did answer your question, Lavin pulled them together. Ceiling with Norm was 1st round loss in tourny
1. Chiles was in Florida and its not uncommon practice for assistants to be on the road in December and miss games.
2. Lay off Baldi. He's excited about Iona and rightfully so. They're awesome this year and he's always posted about them and St. John's its just people are finally paying attention to it.
3. ACC is definitely becoming a superior conference with addition of Cuse and Pitt. That's a fact. So what?
4. Gathers is going to sign late in the spring. St. John's is more in the mix than any other school. What happened to everyone's confidence lately? Relax.
ACC is becoming a stronger conference, yes.....but your former universal mod Baldi is predicting conference power rankings for 2013-14.... which is the first season Pitt and Cuse will play in the ACC. They may be stronger and they may not be depending on who is coaching and playing by then. My money is Boeheim will not coach a day in the ACC. There is no guarantee Pitt will be a super-power in 2014.......heck, they are nationally ranked now and lost to Wagner at home tonight with the Wagner guards outplaying their Pitt counterparts.
Lay off Baldi? No way Dave! Being the liberal host of this fan site that you are and allowing him to troll and flame why would some SJ fans lay off when he insults a coach recovering from ....CANCER?? You think that is funny? I do not care if he bought stock in JJ or if he is dating your sister, if he goes after one of ours, he is fair game.
Finally, his wise-arse comment about coaching from sunny Florida was another delibertae low blow to a coach trying to re-sign the most important 2012 recruit Gathers........which, after all the B.S. was the subject of this thread!
I really don't get all the message board lingo. Troll and flame? He's a St. John's fan who has more posts than anyone on this site. He has over 100x more posts than you and has been here since day 1. He also roots for another team where he went to school?
C'mon. Making this into a bigger deal than it needs to be.
Beach bum , think we get Gaathers?
Beach bum , think we get Gaathers?
If we do not get Gathers it will not be for lack of trying. I would have put a full court press on Anthony Bennett also and made sure a pure PG was in the fold. 2012 is more difficult than 2011 since we only had 2 ships initially and most 2012's were committed. 2013 and 2014 will be great classes for Lav.
So sick I should call my posts in from a warmer place. Just to make sure you gsuys think everythngs alright
Joe?
I thought Beast tourney - :2funny:I liked Norm because he wasnt Jarvis. He gaves us guys we could root for. Guys like Paris Horne,Burrell etc. Guys like Sean Evans. But I did answer your question, Lavin pulled them together. Ceiling with Norm was 1st round loss in tournyThe NIT tourney.
No way Norm would have beaten Duke,Gtown,Pitt,Uconn etc last year.
We had the best run over 1-2 months I had seen since Jarvis in the beginning. Norm's best was 2 games in a row
Not every kid would love to play for Duke :) Exhibits A & B - Mitch, and Shaq (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?20939-2012-recruiting-thread&p=537735#post537735 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?20939-2012-recruiting-thread&p=537735#post537735))Beach bum , think we get Gaathers?
If we do not get Gathers it will not be for lack of trying. I would have put a full court press on Anthony Bennett also and made sure a pure PG was in the fold. 2012 is more difficult than 2011 since we only had 2 ships initially and most 2012's were committed. 2013 and 2014 will be great classes for Lav.
I am not as doom and gloom as others. we remain in pretty good shape with Gathers. The family is close to Lavin and staff. Every kid would love to play for Duke, whether they are the right fit for him remains to be seen.
Beach bum , think we get Gaathers?
If we do not get Gathers it will not be for lack of trying. I would have put a full court press on Anthony Bennett also and made sure a pure PG was in the fold. 2012 is more difficult than 2011 since we only had 2 ships initially and most 2012's were committed. 2013 and 2014 will be great classes for Lav.
I am not as doom and gloom as others. we remain in pretty good shape with Gathers. The family is close to Lavin and staff. Every kid would love to play for Duke, whether they are the right fit for him remains to be seen.
Beach bum , think we get Gaathers?
If we do not get Gathers it will not be for lack of trying. I would have put a full court press on Anthony Bennett also and made sure a pure PG was in the fold. 2012 is more difficult than 2011 since we only had 2 ships initially and most 2012's were committed. 2013 and 2014 will be great classes for Lav.
I am not as doom and gloom as others. we remain in pretty good shape with Gathers. The family is close to Lavin and staff. Every kid would love to play for Duke, whether they are the right fit for him remains to be seen.
Perhaps your not as doom & gloom because your not looking at the facts realistically. If we're in such pretty good shape with Gathers than why did he decommit in the first place?
I'm not saying that Gathers won't ultimately end up here in the end again, but don't be so surprised if he doesn't now that he decided to decommit.
I'd give us a 50% chance at eventually signing Gathers, it can go either way (imho).
Beach bum , think we get Gaathers?
If we do not get Gathers it will not be for lack of trying. I would have put a full court press on Anthony Bennett also and made sure a pure PG was in the fold. 2012 is more difficult than 2011 since we only had 2 ships initially and most 2012's were committed. 2013 and 2014 will be great classes for Lav.
I am not as doom and gloom as others. we remain in pretty good shape with Gathers. The family is close to Lavin and staff. Every kid would love to play for Duke, whether they are the right fit for him remains to be seen.
Perhaps your not as doom & gloom because your not looking at the facts realistically. If we're in such pretty good shape with Gathers than why did he decommit in the first place?
I'm not saying that Gathers won't ultimately end up here in the end again, but don't be so surprised if he doesn't now that he decided to decommit.
I'd give us a 50% chance at eventually signing Gathers, it can go either way (imho).
Rojostorm, Buki or Scotch?
Rut-Rohh
http://fivestarbasketball.com/commitment-corner/12-28-2011-gathers-on-teaming-with-goodwin-at-uk-recruitment (http://fivestarbasketball.com/commitment-corner/12-28-2011-gathers-on-teaming-with-goodwin-at-uk-recruitment)
Young Dave.....100x more posts than me? So, this is about the # of hits your site gets as a result of flaming and not the quality of the post? Thanks for the ground rules! I will try to post 20x times a day to catch up!
WINNA WINNA CHICKEN DINNA
I know our staff is going hard after Ricardo, and it sounds like we're not out of it; but it's going to be difficult to beat out UK and Duke if they have actually offered Gathers. In a year or two that might not be the case, but right now I think we're just too much of an unknown commodity when compared to those programs. We're inticing for sure, and have some definite pluses, but it would take a leap of faith for a recruit to choose us over them.And if the moon is in the 7th house and Jupiter aligns with Mars...still think we have good shot at Gather regardless of Duke Kentucky interest.
That's just being realistic.
Now - if Lavin comes back 100% healthy, the Big East stabilizes (or we form our own conference), the team has a winning BE record this year, signs another recruit or two, and Moe becomes a lotto pick in 2013 - we'll then in the years that follow it wouldn't be such a stretch. But right now it's asking a lot I think for Gathers to come back if UK is offering him a chance to start next year.
I know our staff is going hard after Ricardo, and it sounds like we're not out of it; but it's going to be difficult to beat out UK and Duke if they have actually offered Gathers. In a year or two that might not be the case, but right now I think we're just too much of an unknown commodity when compared to those programs. We're inticing for sure, and have some definite pluses, but it would take a leap of faith for a recruit to choose us over them.And if the moon is in the 7th house and Jupiter aligns with Mars...still think we have good shot at Gather regardless of Duke Kentucky interest.
That's just being realistic.
Now - if Lavin comes back 100% healthy, the Big East stabilizes (or we form our own conference), the team has a winning BE record this year, signs another recruit or two, and Moe becomes a lotto pick in 2013 - we'll then in the years that follow it wouldn't be such a stretch. But right now it's asking a lot I think for Gathers to come back if UK is offering him a chance to start next year.
Young Dave.....100x more posts than me? So, this is about the # of hits your site gets as a result of flaming and not the quality of the post? Thanks for the ground rules! I will try to post 20x times a day to catch up!
WINNA WINNA CHICKEN DINNA
Huh?
I know our staff is going hard after Ricardo, and it sounds like we're not out of it; but it's going to be difficult to beat out UK and Duke if they have actually offered Gathers. In a year or two that might not be the case, but right now I think we're just too much of an unknown commodity when compared to those programs. We're inticing for sure, and have some definite pluses, but it would take a leap of faith for a recruit to choose us over them.And if the moon is in the 7th house and Jupiter aligns with Mars...still think we have good shot at Gather regardless of Duke Kentucky interest.
That's just being realistic.
Now - if Lavin comes back 100% healthy, the Big East stabilizes (or we form our own conference), the team has a winning BE record this year, signs another recruit or two, and Moe becomes a lotto pick in 2013 - we'll then in the years that follow it wouldn't be such a stretch. But right now it's asking a lot I think for Gathers to come back if UK is offering him a chance to start next year.
Yes we have a chance, but IMO to do so, Lavin needs to come back pretty soon. We have to compete with the big boys if we want to land the big boys. Our roster we have now with a few more guys like gathers etc and we are competing with the big boys. We destroyed Duke last season and eventual NC Uconn. Lavin is putting together the roster to compete with those teams consistently. We need guys like Gathers to buy in like Mo, D'Angelo and others have. He gets to walk in here and be starting PF. He won't get that guarantee at UK nor Duke. Duke is a bad style choice for gathers. Uk is a factory, but SJU would prepare him just well and he can be part of a team not just a factory.
Why would anyone ever go to LSU for basketball? Does their fanbase even care about basketball? Last stats I saw in 2010 they averaged barely 4k at
home games. I couldn't even find a LSU basketall message board.
Why would anyone ever go to LSU for basketball? Does their fanbase even care about basketball? Last stats I saw in 2010 they averaged barely 4k at
home games. I couldn't even find a LSU basketall message board.
I think LSU is one of those southern schools with strong regional appeal. So if you're from that part of the country, it's probably on the list of potential schools, notwithstanding that basketball is a distant second to football as being the top school sport. Besides, having Shaq and Pistol Pete Maravich as alumni ain't too shabby.
I know our staff is going hard after Ricardo, and it sounds like we're not out of it; but it's going to be difficult to beat out UK and Duke if they have actually offered Gathers. In a year or two that might not be the case, but right now I think we're just too much of an unknown commodity when compared to those programs. We're inticing for sure, and have some definite pluses, but it would take a leap of faith for a recruit to choose us over them.And if the moon is in the 7th house and Jupiter aligns with Mars...still think we have good shot at Gather regardless of Duke Kentucky interest.
That's just being realistic.
Now - if Lavin comes back 100% healthy, the Big East stabilizes (or we form our own conference), the team has a winning BE record this year, signs another recruit or two, and Moe becomes a lotto pick in 2013 - we'll then in the years that follow it wouldn't be such a stretch. But right now it's asking a lot I think for Gathers to come back if UK is offering him a chance to start next year.
Yes we have a chance, but IMO to do so, Lavin needs to come back pretty soon. We have to compete with the big boys if we want to land the big boys. Our roster we have now with a few more guys like gathers etc and we are competing with the big boys. We destroyed Duke last season and eventual NC Uconn. Lavin is putting together the roster to compete with those teams consistently. We need guys like Gathers to buy in like Mo, D'Angelo and others have. He gets to walk in here and be starting PF. He won't get that guarantee at UK nor Duke. Duke is a bad style choice for gathers. Uk is a factory, but SJU would prepare him just well and he can be part of a team not just a factory.
Duke is a bad style choice, I agree. But it's hard to argue with any HS basketball player who says he's going to UK. 9 guys drafted in the last two years if you count Kanter. And they have at least 3 guys who will be first round picks this year, maybe 5 draft picks in total if they all come out. That's just ridiculous. Call it a factory, say it's impersonal - that all may be true, but if you define "success" as getting drafted, and preferably in the first round; and that's how these kids look at it; then there is no better route than to go through UK under Calipari right now.
If you want an all around experience, it's certainly debatable. If you want to win a National Championship, it can be said that you may be better off somewhere else. BUT, if you want to shake Stern's hand, it's hard to say no to UK right now IMHO.
MCN, I agree with your post 100%
Duke is not the best choice for wannabe pros because their style doesn't seem to translate well for some reason. Kids are better off choosing schools where they get PT, exposure and the style suits their game.
I'm pretty sure they just had the top overall pick.
Call it a hunch. He is going to go to UK if Shabazz doesn't and come here if he does. UK is most likely going to lose all of their bigs except that tall white kid (I forget his name). They really don't have anyone coming in as good as Gathers coming in as a 4/5 except Cauley who isn't as physical. Also, I don't see him as a one and done unless he grows to 6' 9".
the bottom line...by the looks of gathers he's already a one and done lottery pick...i don't care if he goes to pottawatomie. he's a man playing with boys.
no question, he can be helped by the great coaching he'll get at st john's. either way, he'll be a monster in the nba.
Coach K is terrible at turning mcds all Americans into good pros his players become role players in the league. All of dukes lottery picks bust! Except Brand who would of been brand no matter what school he attended he play dam near the same in high school
We haven't had this problem in years past; but going forward with the Lavin/Dunlap regime, do you think the fact that we play a zone hurts us with recruits?
Does a Calipari or Coach K telling Gathers their style of play will better prepare him to play man to man in the post at the next level, is something that plays a factor?
Doesn't seem to have hurt Syracuse, but coaches will use whatever edge they can.
MCNPA - agree with what you are saying about SJU being a better fit for Gathers but saying Duke is not hte best choice for wanna be pros is just not accurate.
Duke is not the best choice for wannabe pros because their style doesn't seem to translate well for some reason
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/12/26/duke-ucla-kentucky-have-most-pros/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/12/26/duke-ucla-kentucky-have-most-pros/)
Ever wonder which colleges produce the most NBA players?
Here’s the updated list in terms of the 2011-12 NBA rosters. As you might expect, Duke, UCLA and Kentucky top the list.
1. Duke, 17
2(t). UCLA, 15
2(t). Kentucky 15
4(t). Texas, 13
4(t). UConn, 13
6(t). North Carolina, 12
6(t). Kansas, 12
8(t). Arizona, 10
8(t). Florida, 10
We haven't had this problem in years past; but going forward with the Lavin/Dunlap regime, do you think the fact that we play a zone hurts us with recruits?
Does a Calipari or Coach K telling Gathers their style of play will better prepare him to play man to man in the post at the next level, is something that plays a factor?
Doesn't seem to have hurt Syracuse, but coaches will use whatever edge they can.
Wasn't Jay Williams career effectively ended by a motorcycle accident?We haven't had this problem in years past; but going forward with the Lavin/Dunlap regime, do you think the fact that we play a zone hurts us with recruits?
Does a Calipari or Coach K telling Gathers their style of play will better prepare him to play man to man in the post at the next level, is something that plays a factor?
Doesn't seem to have hurt Syracuse, but coaches will use whatever edge they can.
Can't forget Hill I copied my game after him when I was kid. I was mad with Jay Will lack of success If someone would of told me Wade would of been better than him I would of smacked them!
Wasn't Jay Williams career effectively ended by a motorcycle accident?We haven't had this problem in years past; but going forward with the Lavin/Dunlap regime, do you think the fact that we play a zone hurts us with recruits?
Does a Calipari or Coach K telling Gathers their style of play will better prepare him to play man to man in the post at the next level, is something that plays a factor?
Doesn't seem to have hurt Syracuse, but coaches will use whatever edge they can.
Can't forget Hill I copied my game after him when I was kid. I was mad with Jay Will lack of success If someone would of told me Wade would of been better than him I would of smacked them!
I just posted an update under Amile Jefferson, but it possibly applies to Ricardo. They speculate coach K may not be liking Puke's chances with Ricardo or Parker. Duke now pursuing Amile:MCNPA - agree with what you are saying about SJU being a better fit for Gathers but saying Duke is not hte best choice for wanna be pros is just not accurate.
Duke is not the best choice for wannabe pros because their style doesn't seem to translate well for some reason
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/12/26/duke-ucla-kentucky-have-most-pros/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/12/26/duke-ucla-kentucky-have-most-pros/)
Ever wonder which colleges produce the most NBA players?
Here’s the updated list in terms of the 2011-12 NBA rosters. As you might expect, Duke, UCLA and Kentucky top the list.
1. Duke, 17
2(t). UCLA, 15
2(t). Kentucky 15
4(t). Texas, 13
4(t). UConn, 13
6(t). North Carolina, 12
6(t). Kansas, 12
8(t). Arizona, 10
8(t). Florida, 10
i agree with mcnpa, duke players just dont succeed in the nba, like they do in college. they may have a lot of players in the league. but hardly any of them are impact players.
Exactly Dave. For every 6'8" Brand that winds up above average in the NBA, there are 15 or more Marcus Fizers. Players in Ricardo's height range are crap shoots for the NBA. Ricardo has a long way to go. I'd bet he doesn't go after his frosh season.the bottom line...by the looks of gathers he's already a one and done lottery pick...i don't care if he goes to pottawatomie. he's a man playing with boys.
no question, he can be helped by the great coaching he'll get at st john's. either way, he'll be a monster in the nba.
1 and done?
His class his loaded with talented big men. He's probably around 10-12 in his position let alone his class. He's undersized and needs to do work to expand his game. No doubt he is super talented but he's not NBA ready coming in.
I just posted an update under Amile Jefferson, but it possibly applies to Ricardo. They speculate coach K may not be liking Puke's chances with Ricardo or Parker. Duke now pursuing Amile:MCNPA - agree with what you are saying about SJU being a better fit for Gathers but saying Duke is not hte best choice for wanna be pros is just not accurate.
Duke is not the best choice for wannabe pros because their style doesn't seem to translate well for some reason
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/12/26/duke-ucla-kentucky-have-most-pros/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/12/26/duke-ucla-kentucky-have-most-pros/)
Ever wonder which colleges produce the most NBA players?
Here’s the updated list in terms of the 2011-12 NBA rosters. As you might expect, Duke, UCLA and Kentucky top the list.
1. Duke, 17
2(t). UCLA, 15
2(t). Kentucky 15
4(t). Texas, 13
4(t). UConn, 13
6(t). North Carolina, 12
6(t). Kansas, 12
8(t). Arizona, 10
8(t). Florida, 10
i agree with mcnpa, duke players just dont succeed in the nba, like they do in college. they may have a lot of players in the league. but hardly any of them are impact players.
http://www.scacchoops.com/tt_newsbreaker_external.asp (http://www.scacchoops.com/tt_newsbreaker_external.asp)
Wasn't Jay Williams career effectively ended by a motorcycle accident?We haven't had this problem in years past; but going forward with the Lavin/Dunlap regime, do you think the fact that we play a zone hurts us with recruits?
Does a Calipari or Coach K telling Gathers their style of play will better prepare him to play man to man in the post at the next level, is something that plays a factor?
Doesn't seem to have hurt Syracuse, but coaches will use whatever edge they can.
Can't forget Hill I copied my game after him when I was kid. I was mad with Jay Will lack of success If someone would of told me Wade would of been better than him I would of smacked them!
You are correct
Evrytime I see a new post here I think: "They is some new info on RG! Gotta click this!"
Then I come here and see its all 'bout Fab-stinkin-Melo!
C'MON NOW!!!!!!
Evrytime I see a new post here I think: "They is some new info on RG! Gotta click this!"
Then I come here and see its all 'bout Fab-stinkin-Melo!
C'MON NOW!!!!!!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/01/04/louisianas-jarell-martin-drawing-major-interest/#more-64558 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/01/04/louisianas-jarell-martin-drawing-major-interest/#more-64558)
Here is the article that Zagoria posted. Mostly about Martin but the two may be interested in playing together and its only us and LSU that is looking at both.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/01/04/louisianas-jarell-martin-drawing-major-interest/#more-64558 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/01/04/louisianas-jarell-martin-drawing-major-interest/#more-64558)
Here is the article that Zagoria posted. Mostly about Martin but the two may be interested in playing together and its only us and LSU that is looking at both.
Who'd have thought that another top PF would help us land Gathers? Sounds good to me.
Update on Gathers from Paul Biancardi of ESPN.com
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/post?id=1198 (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/post?id=1198)
Update on Gathers
St. John's decommit PF Ricardo Gathers (Laplace, La./Riverside Academy) has a long list of suitors -- LSU, St. John's, Baylor, Duke, Florida, NC State and Cal -- and a tough decision ahead. All prospects want to make the right decision, but there is no "perfect" place. And after a long conversation with him about his recruiting process, it is easy to see he is confused about his choices and I believe it may be affecting his approach, preparation and ultimately his play on the court.
Yes, he is scoring inside, displaying some monster dunks, blocknig shots and rebounding with a passion -- but he is just not himself on a consistent basis.
Update on Gathers from Paul Biancardi of ESPN.com
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/post?id=1198 (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/post?id=1198)
Update on Gathers
St. John's decommit PF Ricardo Gathers (Laplace, La./Riverside Academy) has a long list of suitors -- LSU, St. John's, Baylor, Duke, Florida, NC State and Cal -- and a tough decision ahead. All prospects want to make the right decision, but there is no "perfect" place. And after a long conversation with him about his recruiting process, it is easy to see he is confused about his choices and I believe it may be affecting his approach, preparation and ultimately his play on the court.
Yes, he is scoring inside, displaying some monster dunks, blocknig shots and rebounding with a passion -- but he is just not himself on a consistent basis.
I wonder why he seems confused about it. ::)
Update on Gathers from Paul Biancardi of ESPN.com
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/post?id=1198 (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/post?id=1198)
Update on Gathers
St. John's decommit PF Ricardo Gathers (Laplace, La./Riverside Academy) has a long list of suitors -- LSU, St. John's, Baylor, Duke, Florida, NC State and Cal -- and a tough decision ahead. All prospects want to make the right decision, but there is no "perfect" place. And after a long conversation with him about his recruiting process, it is easy to see he is confused about his choices and I believe it may be affecting his approach, preparation and ultimately his play on the court.
Yes, he is scoring inside, displaying some monster dunks, blocknig shots and rebounding with a passion -- but he is just not himself on a consistent basis.
I wonder why he seems confused about it. ::)
I am pretty sure Rico was very comfortable with St Johns and NYC, I heard his mom liked the city and the family for the most part really likes Lavin. Then they get the big boy attention from some schools, he has different people pushing him different ways, and Lavin remains out. I am sure is Lavin continues to reassure him that he will be back that he will recommit to St Johns.
All these FAVORABLE St. John's recruiting posts regarding top St. John's recruiting targets, and during that period of time of 4 months we've proceeded to lose (7) previously committed players and gained NOBODY.
Hello...earth to this board.
Put the Kool-Aid down for a minute guys and comeback down to what has ACTUALLY taken place.
All these FAVORABLE St. John's recruiting posts regarding top St. John's recruiting targets, and during that period of time of 4 months we've proceeded to lose (7) previously committed or signed roster St. John's players and gained NOBODY. That is a fact and unfortunately not just a bad dream/nightmare.
Hello...earth to this board.
Put the Kool-Aid down for a minute guys and comeback down to what has ACTUALLY taken place. Am I lieing about the above or is not true/a fact?
Lavin's first class that was ranked #3 in the country, that was before they lost Pelle and Sampson and Lindsey/(Transfer) etc.
Now we've lost Gathers and Wood and had a Tranfer to SDS. That's (6) lost recruits in a 4 month span with [ZERO] replacements.
Lavin's first class that was ranked #3 in the country, that was before they lost Pelle and Sampson and Lindsey/(Transfer) etc.
Now we've lost Gathers and Wood and had a Tranfer to SDS. That's (6) lost recruits in a 4 month span with [ZERO] replacements.
Rojo, Buki or Scotch? My money is on Buki.
All these FAVORABLE St. John's recruiting posts regarding top St. John's recruiting targets, and during that period of time of 4 months we've proceeded to lose (7) previously committed or signed roster St. John's players and gained NOBODY. That is a fact and unfortunately not just a bad dream/nightmare.
Hello...earth to this board.
Put the Kool-Aid down for a minute guys and comeback down to what has ACTUALLY taken place. Am I lieing about the above or is not true/a fact?
Yeah, but Roji may be Buki.
Yeah, but Roji may be Buki.
Yeah, but Roji may be Buki.
Well I don't know who those posters are, but if they exist than where are they or why don't ever see them post on these boards? Perhaps they were banned for being more honest rather than being poltically St. John's basketball correct and sugarcoating everything. "Show me a hero (who has the guts to tell it like it is during unfavorable times) and I'll write you a tragedy" on this board.
I again ask you to ask yourselves if I wrote anything that didn't happen or wasn't true? Is what I wrote only my opinion or did actually happen? Based on your reactions, you would think that I'm the one lieing here and your justified in shooting it down instead of it being the other way around. (lol) What do want me to do, lie to myself too. I don't why it's happening so often (players de-committing for SJU, but better stop ASAP therwise we're in big trouble again. I like Steve Lavin a lot, he's a very good recruiter, but something is working against us right now like negative recruiting by other schools or conference realignment or Lavin non-existense/current void etc. etc.
We cannot go into another season next season with just 7 or 8 scholarship players again, NO WAY NO HOW.
We have a lot of real Sherlock Holmes here.
We have a lot of real Sherlock Holmes here.
Jealous of my talents? :)
We have a lot of real Sherlock Holmes here.
Jealous of my talents? :)
Some people just scare me.
We have a lot of real Sherlock Holmes here.
Jealous of my talents? :)
So Rico Gathers...no moss??
We have a lot of real Sherlock Holmes here.
Jealous of my talents? :)
For your next investigation, Sherlock, you should try to determine why Baldi never gets scolded. He must have naked pics of Dave or some juicy info that he's holding over his head. ;D
I'm guessing that Gathers is about a 50% chance at best of reaffirming to The Good Guys now. It's more important to find adequate replacements for the (6) lost players rather than resign them specifically. We cannot go into another season next season with just 7 or 8 scholarship players again, NO WAY NO HOW.
I scold everyone more than I'd like to especially lately. I think everyone enjoys talking and reading about basketball more.
Rico Gathers tweets tonight:
"LSU fans are sore losers, all they know how to do is point the finger". Continues about Jarrett Lee...
"I wouldnt want to play LSU football. Fake AF"
not to go out of the way to interpret, but I know there is a lot of pressure for Rico to stay home and play for LSU to play bball and even consider football. Well duke is out with Gathers, and he isn't likely going to LSU with that reaction to their fans. Call it at least a small step in our direction because I was most worried about LSU and Rico considering football there as well.
Rico Gathers tweets tonight:
"LSU fans are sore losers, all they know how to do is point the finger". Continues about Jarrett Lee...
"I wouldnt want to play LSU football. Fake AF"
not to go out of the way to interpret, but I know there is a lot of pressure for Rico to stay home and play for LSU to play bball and even consider football. Well duke is out with Gathers, and he isn't likely going to LSU with that reaction to their fans. Call it at least a small step in our direction because I was most worried about LSU and Rico considering football there as well.
Why do you keep calling him Rico? Does he go by that?
Rico Gathers tweets tonight:
"LSU fans are sore losers, all they know how to do is point the finger". Continues about Jarrett Lee...
"I wouldnt want to play LSU football. Fake AF"
not to go out of the way to interpret, but I know there is a lot of pressure for Rico to stay home and play for LSU to play bball and even consider football. Well duke is out with Gathers, and he isn't likely going to LSU with that reaction to their fans. Call it at least a small step in our direction because I was most worried about LSU and Rico considering football there as well.
Why do you keep calling him Rico? Does he go by that?
Rico Gathers tweets tonight:
"LSU fans are sore losers, all they know how to do is point the finger". Continues about Jarrett Lee...
"I wouldnt want to play LSU football. Fake AF"
not to go out of the way to interpret, but I know there is a lot of pressure for Rico to stay home and play for LSU to play bball and even consider football. Well duke is out with Gathers, and he isn't likely going to LSU with that reaction to their fans. Call it at least a small step in our direction because I was most worried about LSU and Rico considering football there as well.
Rico Gathers tweets tonight:
"LSU fans are sore losers, all they know how to do is point the finger". Continues about Jarrett Lee...
"I wouldnt want to play LSU football. Fake AF"
not to go out of the way to interpret, but I know there is a lot of pressure for Rico to stay home and play for LSU to play bball and even consider football. Well duke is out with Gathers, and he isn't likely going to LSU with that reaction to their fans. Call it at least a small step in our direction because I was most worried about LSU and Rico considering football there as well.
Duke out ?
Rico Gathers tweets tonight:
"LSU fans are sore losers, all they know how to do is point the finger". Continues about Jarrett Lee...
"I wouldnt want to play LSU football. Fake AF"
not to go out of the way to interpret, but I know there is a lot of pressure for Rico to stay home and play for LSU to play bball and even consider football. Well duke is out with Gathers, and he isn't likely going to LSU with that reaction to their fans. Call it at least a small step in our direction because I was most worried about LSU and Rico considering football there as well.
Duke out ?
Duke isn't interested.
Dave,
Seems like STJ, LSU, and Florida are the major players here?
Thanks!
Dave,
Seems like STJ, LSU, and Florida are the major players here?
Thanks!
Do you think KY gets involved if they lose Bennett?
Thought Dick was short for Richard.Rico Gathers tweets tonight:
"LSU fans are sore losers, all they know how to do is point the finger". Continues about Jarrett Lee...
"I wouldnt want to play LSU football. Fake AF"
not to go out of the way to interpret, but I know there is a lot of pressure for Rico to stay home and play for LSU to play bball and even consider football. Well duke is out with Gathers, and he isn't likely going to LSU with that reaction to their fans. Call it at least a small step in our direction because I was most worried about LSU and Rico considering football there as well.
Why do you keep calling him Rico? Does he go by that?
I've seen him referred to as Rico before. And Rico is short for Ricardo as Rich is to Richard.
Thought Dick was short for Richard.
Thought Dick was short for Richard.
We've got too many dicks around here already. ;D
On a completely unimportant side note, my friend's father introduces himself as Dick when meeting older people, but calls himself Richard when talking to younger ones.
Thought Dick was short for Richard.
We've got too many dicks around here already. ;D
On a completely unimportant side note, my friend's father introduces himself as Dick when meeting older people, but calls himself Richard when talking to younger ones.
Thought Dick was short for Richard.
We've got too many dicks around here already. ;D
On a completely unimportant side note, my friend's father introduces himself as Dick when meeting older people, but calls himself Richard when talking to younger ones.
just noticed ricardo retweeted lindseys commitment to arkansas, not sure if hes friends with lindsey or if hes making a point that another stjohns player goes somewhere else. maybe im looking into it too much.I think it was dick who retweeted that - :idiot2:
just noticed ricardo retweeted lindseys commitment to arkansas, not sure if hes friends with lindsey or if hes making a point that another stjohns player goes somewhere else. maybe im looking into it too much.
just noticed ricardo retweeted lindseys commitment to arkansas, not sure if hes friends with lindsey or if hes making a point that another stjohns player goes somewhere else. maybe im looking into it too much.
He probably met Nuri when he visited or during Midnight Madness and became friendly with him. He probably just did that retweet because he is happy Nuri has found a landing spot. Don't over think things, people retweet things constantly its not a big deal at all.
Thought Dick was short for Richard.
The above was actually a quote from the divorce proceedings from the second divorce between Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor.
just noticed ricardo retweeted lindseys commitment to arkansas, not sure if hes friends with lindsey or if hes making a point that another stjohns player goes somewhere else. maybe im looking into it too much.
Not sure how true this is....
LSU out of the Ricardo Gathers sweepstakes...btw...gtown surge,,,13-12 johnnies ...gtown ball #stjbb
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/LennRobbins/status/158600577746604033
Not sure how true this is....
LSU out of the Ricardo Gathers sweepstakes...btw...gtown surge,,,13-12 johnnies ...gtown ball #stjbb
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/LennRobbins/status/158600577746604033
Florida doesn't have a shot and NC State doesn't seem logical with TJ Warren basically telling them if they recruit anyone else he's out. They list Warren as a SF but he's going to be an inside guy.
Florida doesn't have a shot and NC State doesn't seem logical with TJ Warren basically telling them if they recruit anyone else he's out. They list Warren as a SF but he's going to be an inside guy.
Florida doesn't have a shot and NC State doesn't seem logical with TJ Warren basically telling them if they recruit anyone else he's out. They list Warren as a SF but he's going to be an inside guy.
And CJ Leslie is only a soph. Seems like a logjam at pf for at least the next few years.
Almost forgot they also have Tyler Harris this year, who may never start, but he will steal some minutes too. Certainly the starting lineup won't be as wide open for him as it would here.
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/)
Ricardo Gathers (Riverside Academy 2012) – Gathers listed Baylor, NC State, St. John’s and Florida as his 4 favorites with LSU and California also heavily involved. He said that Kentucky coach John Calipari has been to see one of his games but hasn’t been in contact. Duke has offered but has only been in contact once during the season and stands clearly below his top 4. Gathers does plan to visit Duke along with NC State, Florida and Baylor.
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/)
Ricardo Gathers (Riverside Academy 2012) – Gathers listed Baylor, NC State, St. John’s and Florida as his 4 favorites with LSU and California also heavily involved. He said that Kentucky coach John Calipari has been to see one of his games but hasn’t been in contact. Duke has offered but has only been in contact once during the season and stands clearly below his top 4. Gathers does plan to visit Duke along with NC State, Florida and Baylor.
I believe the Duke interest is contingent on NOT landing Tony Parker....
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/)
Ricardo Gathers (Riverside Academy 2012) – Gathers listed Baylor, NC State, St. John’s and Florida as his 4 favorites with LSU and California also heavily involved. He said that Kentucky coach John Calipari has been to see one of his games but hasn’t been in contact. Duke has offered but has only been in contact once during the season and stands clearly below his top 4. Gathers does plan to visit Duke along with NC State, Florida and Baylor.
I believe the Duke interest is contingent on NOT landing Tony Parker....
Jefferson is involved somewhere in that scenario as well.
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/)
Ricardo Gathers (Riverside Academy 2012) – Gathers listed Baylor, NC State, St. John’s and Florida as his 4 favorites with LSU and California also heavily involved. He said that Kentucky coach John Calipari has been to see one of his games but hasn’t been in contact. Duke has offered but has only been in contact once during the season and stands clearly below his top 4. Gathers does plan to visit Duke along with NC State, Florida and Baylor.
I believe the Duke interest is contingent on NOT landing Tony Parker....
Jefferson is involved somewhere in that scenario as well.
Duke has really turned it up on Jefferson.
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/)
Ricardo Gathers (Riverside Academy 2012) – Gathers listed Baylor, NC State, St. John’s and Florida as his 4 favorites with LSU and California also heavily involved. He said that Kentucky coach John Calipari has been to see one of his games but hasn’t been in contact. Duke has offered but has only been in contact once during the season and stands clearly below his top 4. Gathers does plan to visit Duke along with NC State, Florida and Baylor.
I believe the Duke interest is contingent on NOT landing Tony Parker....
Jefferson is involved somewhere in that scenario as well.
Duke has really turned it up on Jefferson.
Jefferson is a prototypical Duke recruit. I'd be shocked not to see him end up a Blue Devil.
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/)
Ricardo Gathers (Riverside Academy 2012) – Gathers listed Baylor, NC State, St. John’s and Florida as his 4 favorites with LSU and California also heavily involved. He said that Kentucky coach John Calipari has been to see one of his games but hasn’t been in contact. Duke has offered but has only been in contact once during the season and stands clearly below his top 4. Gathers does plan to visit Duke along with NC State, Florida and Baylor.
I believe the Duke interest is contingent on NOT landing Tony Parker....
Jefferson is involved somewhere in that scenario as well.
Duke has really turned it up on Jefferson.
Jefferson is a prototypical Duke recruit. I'd be shocked not to see him end up a Blue Devil.
To sound like Rothstein so much Lance Thomas in Amile :)
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/)
Ricardo Gathers (Riverside Academy 2012) – Gathers listed Baylor, NC State, St. John’s and Florida as his 4 favorites with LSU and California also heavily involved. He said that Kentucky coach John Calipari has been to see one of his games but hasn’t been in contact. Duke has offered but has only been in contact once during the season and stands clearly below his top 4. Gathers does plan to visit Duke along with NC State, Florida and Baylor.
I believe the Duke interest is contingent on NOT landing Tony Parker....
Jefferson is involved somewhere in that scenario as well.
Duke has really turned it up on Jefferson.
Jefferson is a prototypical Duke recruit. I'd be shocked not to see him end up a Blue Devil.
To sound like Rothstein so much Lance Thomas in Amile :)
Some one must of told him that hes opinion of comparisons is well respected. I personally think hes way off on a lot of the ones he makes.
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/)
Ricardo Gathers (Riverside Academy 2012) – Gathers listed Baylor, NC State, St. John’s and Florida as his 4 favorites with LSU and California also heavily involved. He said that Kentucky coach John Calipari has been to see one of his games but hasn’t been in contact. Duke has offered but has only been in contact once during the season and stands clearly below his top 4. Gathers does plan to visit Duke along with NC State, Florida and Baylor.
I believe the Duke interest is contingent on NOT landing Tony Parker....
Jefferson is involved somewhere in that scenario as well.
Duke has really turned it up on Jefferson.
Jefferson is a prototypical Duke recruit. I'd be shocked not to see him end up a Blue Devil.
To sound like Rothstein so much Lance Thomas in Amile :)
Some one must of told him that hes opinion of comparisons is well respected. I personally think hes way off on a lot of the ones he makes.
Understatement of the year.
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/)
Ricardo Gathers (Riverside Academy 2012) – Gathers listed Baylor, NC State, St. John’s and Florida as his 4 favorites with LSU and California also heavily involved. He said that Kentucky coach John Calipari has been to see one of his games but hasn’t been in contact. Duke has offered but has only been in contact once during the season and stands clearly below his top 4. Gathers does plan to visit Duke along with NC State, Florida and Baylor.
I believe the Duke interest is contingent on NOT landing Tony Parker....
Jefferson is involved somewhere in that scenario as well.
Duke has really turned it up on Jefferson.
Jefferson is a prototypical Duke recruit. I'd be shocked not to see him end up a Blue Devil.
To sound like Rothstein so much Lance Thomas in Amile :)
Some one must of told him that hes opinion of comparisons is well respected. I personally think hes way off on a lot of the ones he makes.
Understatement of the year.
Personally I find his player comparison tweets to be sooooo annoying.
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2012-0115/hoophall-classic-2012-saturday-recap/)
Ricardo Gathers (Riverside Academy 2012) – Gathers listed Baylor, NC State, St. John’s and Florida as his 4 favorites with LSU and California also heavily involved. He said that Kentucky coach John Calipari has been to see one of his games but hasn’t been in contact. Duke has offered but has only been in contact once during the season and stands clearly below his top 4. Gathers does plan to visit Duke along with NC State, Florida and Baylor.
I believe the Duke interest is contingent on NOT landing Tony Parker....
Jefferson is involved somewhere in that scenario as well.
Duke has really turned it up on Jefferson.
Jefferson is a prototypical Duke recruit. I'd be shocked not to see him end up a Blue Devil.
To sound like Rothstein so much Lance Thomas in Amile :)
Some one must of told him that hes opinion of comparisons is well respected. I personally think hes way off on a lot of the ones he makes.
Understatement of the year.
Personally I find his player comparison tweets to be sooooo annoying.
I guess everyone missed my tweet yesterday. So much Ray Lewis in D'Angelo Harrison's taking a charge celebration
Glad to know i'm not the only one who gets annoyed with all those comparisons. I've seen "So much Salim Stoudamire in D'Angelo Harrison...." about 7 times and "Maurice Harkless is a poor man's Rudy Gay" about 4 times. Hopefully next year when he covers St Johns we get a "So much Kurt Thomas in Ricardo Gathers...." or something along those lines
Glad to know i'm not the only one who gets annoyed with all those comparisons. I've seen "So much Salim Stoudamire in D'Angelo Harrison...." about 7 times and "Maurice Harkless is a poor man's Rudy Gay" about 4 times. Hopefully next year when he covers St Johns we get a "So much Kurt Thomas in Ricardo Gathers...." or something along those lines
I think your gonna get Corliss Williamson in Gathers.
Lol I dont care who he is compared to as long as he is here next year
Lol I dont care who he is compared to as long as he is here next year
Hes coming
Lol I dont care who he is compared to as long as he is here next year
Hes coming
Lol I dont care who he is compared to as long as he is here next year
Hes coming
Do you say that because you know something we don't?
Glad to know i'm not the only one who gets annoyed with all those comparisons. I've seen "So much Salim Stoudamire in D'Angelo Harrison...." about 7 times and "Maurice Harkless is a poor man's Rudy Gay" about 4 times. Hopefully next year when he covers St Johns we get a "So much Kurt Thomas in Ricardo Gathers...." or something along those lines
I think your gonna get Corliss Williamson in Gathers.
I think I used that one already...lol. How about Danny Fortson and Gathers? Fortson had longer arms though. People must remember that comparos are just stylistic, not necessarily in terms of impact.
please don't let this turn into the Baldi mush :)Lol I dont care who he is compared to as long as he is here next year
Hes coming
please don't let this turn into the Baldi mush :)Lol I dont care who he is compared to as long as he is here next year
Hes coming
please don't let this turn into the Baldi mush :)Lol I dont care who he is compared to as long as he is here next year
Hes coming
Ive been on the mark lately
Lol I dont care who he is compared to as long as he is here next year+1
Dick Vitale Mentioned Lavs was on his way to see Jakaar (Sat) then Ricardo (Sun)
Fingers Crossed folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That we reel in both!
Ricardo Gathers Recruiting Update (Kentucky, St. John's, Baylor, LSU, N.C. State) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp6Yj2oblY0#ws)
Thought his comments were weird in this video. He says "Hopefully" he's one of the recruits at St. John's next year. It definitely seems like if the choice was just up to him, he'd be locked up for us, but others are getting in his way.
Ricardo Gathers Recruiting Update (Kentucky, St. John's, Baylor, LSU, N.C. State) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp6Yj2oblY0#ws)
Thought his comments were weird in this video. He says "Hopefully" he's one of the recruits at St. John's next year. It definitely seems like if the choice was just up to him, he'd be locked up for us, but others are getting in his way.
From a few weeks ago.
Just read on ESPN insider that Baylor could be out in front after this visit, and also that he could be holding out for Kentucky to offer him a scholarship.
Just read on ESPN insider that Baylor could be out in front after this visit, and also that he could be holding out for Kentucky to offer him a scholarship.
Did you read it from ESPN Insider Rumors section.
If so I put no credence to it :)
I hear that Waco Texas is beautiful... Compares favorably to NYC. :2funny:
I hear that Waco Texas is beautiful... Compares favorably to NYC. :2funny:
Waco, Tx--home of Ted Nugent, David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and Baylor. Who wouldn't want to go there??
Just read on ESPN insider that Baylor could be out in front after this visit, and also that he could be holding out for Kentucky to offer him a scholarship.
Did you read it from ESPN Insider Rumors section.
If so I put no credence to it :)
It was posted on ESPN Insider's "Rumor Central" :)
I hear that Waco Texas is beautiful... Compares favorably to NYC. :2funny:
Waco, Tx--home of Ted Nugent, David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and Baylor. Who wouldn't want to go there??
Joke all you like but clearly Baylor has some advantages. When have we ever signed a top 10 recruit in three straight classes?
And it's not like Ricardo is a city guy from the Northeast. Baylor and UF worry me.
I hear that Waco Texas is beautiful... Compares favorably to NYC. :2funny:
Waco, Tx--home of Ted Nugent, David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and Baylor. Who wouldn't want to go there??
Joke all you like but clearly Baylor has some advantages. When have we ever signed a top 10 recruit in three straight classes?
And it's not like Ricardo is a city guy from the Northeast. Baylor and UF worry me.
2013 St. John's will.
UF is not a concern just as Duke wasn't.
Kentucky won't get involved because they are on bigger fish.
Baylor is legit concern as they are with Sampson.
St. John's has Steve Lavin.
I hear that Waco Texas is beautiful... Compares favorably to NYC. :2funny:
Waco, Tx--home of Ted Nugent, David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and Baylor. Who wouldn't want to go there??
Joke all you like but clearly Baylor has some advantages. When have we ever signed a top 10 recruit in three straight classes?
And it's not like Ricardo is a city guy from the Northeast. Baylor and UF worry me.
2013 St. John's will.
UF is not a concern just as Duke wasn't.
Kentucky won't get involved because they are on bigger fish.
Baylor is legit concern as they are with Sampson.
St. John's has Steve Lavin.
I hear that Waco Texas is beautiful... Compares favorably to NYC. :2funny:
Waco, Tx--home of Ted Nugent, David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and Baylor. Who wouldn't want to go there??
Joke all you like but clearly Baylor has some advantages. When have we ever signed a top 10 recruit in three straight classes?
And it's not like Ricardo is a city guy from the Northeast. Baylor and UF worry me.
2013 St. John's will.
2013 St. John's will.
2013 St. John's will.
My fave.
2013 St. John's will.
My fave.
Was McCullough right choz?
2013 St. John's will.
My fave.
Was McCullough right choz?
No
2013 St. John's will.
My fave.
Was McCullough right choz?
No
So who is it?
I hear that Waco Texas is beautiful... Compares favorably to NYC. :2funny:
Waco, Tx--home of Ted Nugent, David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and Baylor. Who wouldn't want to go there??
Joke all you like but clearly Baylor has some advantages. When have we ever signed a top 10 recruit in three straight classes?
And it's not like Ricardo is a city guy from the Northeast. Baylor and UF worry me.
2013 St. John's will.
UF is not a concern just as Duke wasn't.
Kentucky won't get involved because they are on bigger fish.
Baylor is legit concern as they are with Sampson.
St. John's has Steve Lavin.
Would you agree the final 3 for Sampson are STJ, BAY and FLA?
I hear that Waco Texas is beautiful... Compares favorably to NYC. :2funny:
Waco, Tx--home of Ted Nugent, David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and Baylor. Who wouldn't want to go there??
Joke all you like but clearly Baylor has some advantages. When have we ever signed a top 10 recruit in three straight classes?
And it's not like Ricardo is a city guy from the Northeast. Baylor and UF worry me.
2013 St. John's will.
UF is not a concern just as Duke wasn't.
Kentucky won't get involved because they are on bigger fish.
Baylor is legit concern as they are with Sampson.
St. John's has Steve Lavin.
Bennett to UF Dave?
2013 St. John's will.
My fave.
Was McCullough right choz?
No
So who is it?
Jermaine Lawrence
2013 St. John's will.
My fave.
Was McCullough right choz?
No
So who is it?
Jermaine Lawrence
Really? dont even see him on most top 100 lists
2013 St. John's will.
My fave.
Was McCullough right choz?
No
So who is it?
Jermaine Lawrence
Really? dont even see him on most top 100 lists
Evaluators don't put players on lists that they don't see. Neither Evan Daniels or Brian Snow from Scout have seen Lawerence. I'm almost certain Eric Bossi from Rivals hasn't seen him nor has Dave Telep of ESPN. John Stovall from ESPN saw Lawrence at Hoop Group New York Top 100 this past spring.
Going off the Scout list I'd put Lawrence right there with Troy Williams, BeeJay Anya, Isaiah Hicks, and Jordan Mickey. All players I've seen multiple times. While Hicks and Anya are more inside while Troy Williams and Jordan Mickey are more perimeter oriented Jermaine Lawrence is a hybrid guy. I'd say he is more of a 4/3 while I'd say Harkless is a 3/4 if that makes sense. He'll be right in the mix of top 20 player.
2013 St. John's will.
My fave.
Was McCullough right choz?
No
So who is it?
Jermaine Lawrence
Really? dont even see him on most top 100 lists
Evaluators don't put players on lists that they don't see. Neither Evan Daniels or Brian Snow from Scout have seen Lawerence. I'm almost certain Eric Bossi from Rivals hasn't seen him nor has Dave Telep of ESPN. John Stovall from ESPN saw Lawrence at Hoop Group New York Top 100 this past spring.
Going off the Scout list I'd put Lawrence right there with Troy Williams, BeeJay Anya, Isaiah Hicks, and Jordan Mickey. All players I've seen multiple times. While Hicks and Anya are more inside while Troy Williams and Jordan Mickey are more perimeter oriented Jermaine Lawrence is a hybrid guy. I'd say he is more of a 4/3 while I'd say Harkless is a 3/4 if that makes sense. He'll be right in the mix of top 20 player.
Any chance this Sparta NJ thing is temporary and he goes back to Dozo or maybe a NEPSAC school
2013 St. John's will.
My fave.
Was McCullough right choz?
No
So who is it?
Jermaine Lawrence
Really? dont even see him on most top 100 lists
Evaluators don't put players on lists that they don't see. Neither Evan Daniels or Brian Snow from Scout have seen Lawerence. I'm almost certain Eric Bossi from Rivals hasn't seen him nor has Dave Telep of ESPN. John Stovall from ESPN saw Lawrence at Hoop Group New York Top 100 this past spring.
Going off the Scout list I'd put Lawrence right there with Troy Williams, BeeJay Anya, Isaiah Hicks, and Jordan Mickey. All players I've seen multiple times. While Hicks and Anya are more inside while Troy Williams and Jordan Mickey are more perimeter oriented Jermaine Lawrence is a hybrid guy. I'd say he is more of a 4/3 while I'd say Harkless is a 3/4 if that makes sense. He'll be right in the mix of top 20 player.
2013 St. John's will.
My fave.
Was McCullough right choz?
No
So who is it?
Jermaine Lawrence
Really? dont even see him on most top 100 lists
Evaluators don't put players on lists that they don't see. Neither Evan Daniels or Brian Snow from Scout have seen Lawerence. I'm almost certain Eric Bossi from Rivals hasn't seen him nor has Dave Telep of ESPN. John Stovall from ESPN saw Lawrence at Hoop Group New York Top 100 this past spring.
Going off the Scout list I'd put Lawrence right there with Troy Williams, BeeJay Anya, Isaiah Hicks, and Jordan Mickey. All players I've seen multiple times. While Hicks and Anya are more inside while Troy Williams and Jordan Mickey are more perimeter oriented Jermaine Lawrence is a hybrid guy. I'd say he is more of a 4/3 while I'd say Harkless is a 3/4 if that makes sense. He'll be right in the mix of top 20 player.
Really appreciate the info Dave. Hopefully Lawrence will explode up the rankings after he verbals to STJ :)
Is he a guacho?
I hear that Waco Texas is beautiful... Compares favorably to NYC. :2funny:
Waco, Tx--home of Ted Nugent, David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and Baylor. Who wouldn't want to go there??
Joke all you like but clearly Baylor has some advantages. When have we ever signed a top 10 recruit in three straight classes?
And it's not like Ricardo is a city guy from the Northeast. Baylor and UF worry me.
2013 St. John's will.
UF is not a concern just as Duke wasn't.
Kentucky won't get involved because they are on bigger fish.
Baylor is legit concern as they are with Sampson.
St. John's has Steve Lavin.
Would you agree the final 3 for Sampson are STJ, BAY and FLA?
St. John's or Baylor. Florida has no chance.
I hear that Waco Texas is beautiful... Compares favorably to NYC. :2funny:
Waco, Tx--home of Ted Nugent, David Koresh and the Branch Dividians, and Baylor. Who wouldn't want to go there??
Joke all you like but clearly Baylor has some advantages. When have we ever signed a top 10 recruit in three straight classes?
And it's not like Ricardo is a city guy from the Northeast. Baylor and UF worry me.
2013 St. John's will.
UF is not a concern just as Duke wasn't.
Kentucky won't get involved because they are on bigger fish.
Baylor is legit concern as they are with Sampson.
St. John's has Steve Lavin.
Would you agree the final 3 for Sampson are STJ, BAY and FLA?
St. John's or Baylor. Florida has no chance.
I know Providence has been following Sampson around how much of a threat do you they are to us? Would be painful to lose him to another big east team
Sidiki johnson committed to providence today. I don't know how similar their games are but they are both PFs so even if Providence was a blip on his screen he probably won't be considering them anymore.
Baylor.
Baylor.
Ugh! Telep could be wrong, but if not, at least now Sampson won't need to worry about competing for playing time with Gathers, he just needs to recommit!
That sucks. And we might end up seeing him next year as Baylor plays in the Charleston Classic.
Baylor.
Ugh! Telep could be wrong, but if not, at least now Sampson won't need to worry about competing for playing time with Gathers, he just needs to recommit!
Telep isn't wrong. Its coming from Greg Gathers.
Also surprised since he said he would wait till after his season.
Hoping coach has some tricks up his sleeve, Would be painful if those reports about Jakarr are true.What reports about Jakarr?
Hoping coach has some tricks up his sleeve, Would be painful if those reports about Jakarr are true.What reports about Jakarr?
Hoping coach has some tricks up his sleeve, Would be painful if those reports about Jakarr are true.What reports about Jakarr?
Hoping coach has some tricks up his sleeve, Would be painful if those reports about Jakarr are true.What reports about Jakarr?
and Kansas.
Another one lost to the highest bidder
Another one lost to the highest bidder
Normally, I don't go that route, Baldi. I also became wary of his recruitment once his brother got involved.
Next season, SJU and Baylor both play in the Charleston Classic
Thats a bummer. Obekpa and Samson are must gets now. We don't seem to have many other 4/5 options after that, but who knows what will happen in the spring.
Another one lost to the highest bidder
Interesting quote sheds some light on maybe why Gathers didn't come back.
http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1328368 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1328368)
"Ricardo has always had to play the five," said Gathers. "With Isaiah there, he will get to play the four."
Interesting quote sheds some light on maybe why Gathers didn't come back.
http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1328368 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1328368)
"Ricardo has always had to play the five," said Gathers. "With Isaiah there, he will get to play the four."
Maybe but if he was so worried about playing the 4 or 5, why not wait to see who we added first?
Interesting quote sheds some light on maybe why Gathers didn't come back.
http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1328368 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1328368)
"Ricardo has always had to play the five," said Gathers. "With Isaiah there, he will get to play the four."
another decommit who recommits?
another decommit who recommits?
Big bro may have already spent the money.
Why are we still talking about him. Good luck young man!
another decommit who recommits?
Big bro may have already spent the money.
On that note did anyone notice when Rico committed to Baylor he was never quoted. It was his brother who told all the recruiting services?
Did anyone see that article on the internet that Scott Drew was trying to go after that kid on ohio after his freshman year while at ohio ?
Did anyone see that article on the internet that Scott Drew was trying to go after that kid on ohio after his freshman year while at ohio ?
Did anyone see that article on the internet that Scott Drew was trying to go after that kid on ohio after his freshman year while at ohio ?
I meant to post that. Drew of course denies it, but what does the kid gain to stand by lying about it?
Invaluable actually means more valuable than valuable means. :)Why are we still talking about him. Good luck young man!
Why not?
Thats why there is a recruitment section of the forum to talk specifically about each player. You can elect not to read or participate in any thread you feel to be invaluable.
Did anyone see that article on the internet that Scott Drew was trying to go after that kid on ohio after his freshman year while at ohio ?
Drew and pearl. Could you find less ethical people? The ncaa should look into it
Did anyone see that article on the internet that Scott Drew was trying to go after that kid on ohio after his freshman year while at ohio ?
Drew and pearl. Could you find less ethical people? The ncaa should look into it
Pearl had a kid at a BBQ at his house and lied about it. Should have just told the truth from the start and it was a secondary violation. Hardly going to condemn the guy for it.
Did anyone see that article on the internet that Scott Drew was trying to go after that kid on ohio after his freshman year while at ohio ?
Drew and pearl. Could you find less ethical people? The ncaa should look into it
To me, the biggest irony is that Kenneth Starr is the Prez of Baylor, and he's got the biggest conniving lier of a head basketball coach at the helm. Time to investigate him Ken!!!Did anyone see that article on the internet that Scott Drew was trying to go after that kid on ohio after his freshman year while at ohio ?
I meant to post that. Drew of course denies it, but what does the kid gain to stand by lying about it?
Not that this should surprise anyone
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/ohios-cooper-has-seen-the-dark-side/ (http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/ohios-cooper-has-seen-the-dark-side/)
Obviously Drew denies it. But it's the kids mom who claims Drew was amongst the coaches calling him. Sooner or later he's going to get caught.
Did anyone see that article on the internet that Scott Drew was trying to go after that kid on ohio after his freshman year while at ohio ?
Drew and pearl. Could you find less ethical people? The ncaa should look into it
Pearl had a kid at a BBQ at his house and lied about it. Should have just told the truth from the start and it was a secondary violation. Hardly going to condemn the guy for it.
Did anyone see that article on the internet that Scott Drew was trying to go after that kid on ohio after his freshman year while at ohio ?
Drew and pearl. Could you find less ethical people? The ncaa should look into it
Pearl had a kid at a BBQ at his house and lied about it. Should have just told the truth from the start and it was a secondary violation. Hardly going to condemn the guy for it.
Didn't he also deny some kid a waiver to transfer to be near a dying parent?
Did anyone see that article on the internet that Scott Drew was trying to go after that kid on ohio after his freshman year while at ohio ?
Drew and pearl. Could you find less ethical people? The ncaa should look into it
Pearl had a kid at a BBQ at his house and lied about it. Should have just told the truth from the start and it was a secondary violation. Hardly going to condemn the guy for it.
Didn't he also deny some kid a waiver to transfer to be near a dying parent?
No. You are thinking of Tyler Smith who signed with UT under their old Coach Buzz Petersen who was subsequently fired in 2005 and replaced by Pearl.
When Pearl was hired he refused to let Smith out of his NLI. Smith did a year of prep rather then attend UT and then ended up at Iowa. He is originally from Tennessee and so when his father got sick he asked for a hardship transfer to UT. Then Iowa Coach Todd Lickliter supported it and it was granted by the NCAA. And Smith and Pearl kissed and made up. And he was allowed to transfer to UT without sitting out a year.
Is the ink dry yet?
I don't think he is signed yet and I am also hearing Baylor has a lot more problems coming besides to many phone calls and text messages.
This is just the tip of the iceberg...assuming the NCAA really wants to find more.
Death penalty?
At least no one has been murdered (that we know of), unlike the Bliss days.
Don't feel sorry for him one bit, he should thank his brother lol see ya!!!
This is just the tip of the iceberg...assuming the NCAA really wants to find more.
pretty amazing too that both gathers and his brother called out lsu head coach for not recruiting him hard enough. I guess doing things the right way doesn't count anymore. Posters are right "where's there's smoke there's fire". Phone calls are gonna be least of problems if NCAA finds out more and no one will be surprised if gathers is one of top players mentioned in a scandal.
I think you guys are going a little overboard. Right now we're talking about phone calls and text messages. The kid changed his mind...no reason to trash him. Maybe his family wanted him closer to home?
I think you guys are going a little overboard. Right now we're talking about phone calls and text messages. The kid changed his mind...no reason to trash him. Maybe his family wanted him closer to home?
+1
Recruiting "violations" doesn't mean pay-for-play. Too often schools that lose out on a recruit jump to that conclusion. PC fans swear that's what happened with Jakaar.
Drew may be dirty. But illegal calls, and even rg brother being an ass, don't mean there was an exchange of $.
I think you guys are going a little overboard. Right now we're talking about phone calls and text messages. The kid changed his mind...no reason to trash him. Maybe his family wanted him closer to home?
+1
Recruiting "violations" doesn't mean pay-for-play. Too often schools that lose out on a recruit jump to that conclusion. PC fans swear that's what happened with Jakaar.
Drew may be dirty. But illegal calls, and even rg brother being an ass, don't mean there was an exchange of $.
True, but isn't this what pretty much put Kelvin Sampson out of college coaching, and truly scrod IU for like 3 or 4 seasons? Crean's just NOW getting THEM back on track.
But you't think if there's ANY school that couldn't risk another "institutional lack of control" indictment, it's Baylor. Even if it is "just" 1200 illegal contacts. You'd think the AD would be in just as much crap as the coaching staffs. How do you take your eye off the ball after what Bliss got caught doing??????
I think you guys are going a little overboard. Right now we're talking about phone calls and text messages. The kid changed his mind...no reason to trash him. Maybe his family wanted him closer to home?
+1
Recruiting "violations" doesn't mean pay-for-play. Too often schools that lose out on a recruit jump to that conclusion. PC fans swear that's what happened with Jakaar.
Drew may be dirty. But illegal calls, and even rg brother being an ass, don't mean there was an exchange of $.
True, but isn't this what pretty much put Kelvin Sampson out of college coaching, and truly scrod IU for like 3 or 4 seasons? Crean's just NOW getting THEM back on track.
But you't think if there's ANY school that couldn't risk another "institutional lack of control" indictment, it's Baylor. Even if it is "just" 1200 illegal contacts. You'd think the AD would be in just as much crap as the coaching staffs. How do you take your eye off the ball after what Bliss got caught doing??????
Drew is dirty as hell. This is just the start
+1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.............
Drew is dirty as hell. This is just the start
+1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.............
I'm sure he is. But I feel like the NCAA looks the other way, and doesn't want to know about more serious violations.
They go after Drew for text messaging recruits during no-contact periods. Or ban Bruce Pearl for having kids over for a bbq.
For once I'd like to see the NCAA really go after the meat of allegations. Stop acting like your tough on violators, when you don't investigate the real questions.
Drew is dirty as hell. This is just the start
+1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.............
I'm sure he is. But I feel like the NCAA looks the other way, and doesn't want to know about more serious violations.
They go after Drew for text messaging recruits during no-contact periods. Or ban Bruce Pearl for having kids over for a bbq.
For once I'd like to see the NCAA really go after the meat of allegations. Stop acting like your tough on violators, when you don't investigate the real questions.
txt msgs and phone calls is the easiet thing to prove since they is a paper trail.
A lot harder to prove the rest.
Just sayin....
A simple trip to the team parking lots would be revealing. It worked on Barkley even though it was a used SUV. The boys at Cuse always crashed new ones but nobody asked about it. Who's kidding who. Virtually all top recruits are bought and nobody is stupid enough to put that cash in a bank account.
Will be interesting to see how Rico feels when Quincy Miller doesn't declare for the draft like he was expected to
check cashed? Perfect Roots song for that - Drew's motto - "Don't Say Nuthin'"Is the ink dry yet?
More like,is the check cashed?
Is some of the 2A higher ups are Democrats, do not be surprised to hear allegations of a politically motivated bashing of Baylor due to Kenneth Starr. I would not be surprised if it goes down like that.This is just the tip of the iceberg...assuming the NCAA really wants to find more.
NCAA has no love for Baylor.
Gathers sounds pretty supportive of the move....So much for gathers reconsidering-unless someone can talk so sense into him right quick.
@qmillertime all i know is one year with your boy and you'll go out with a bang. Whatever you wanna accomplish i'm coming to help ya bro.
SJU runs a clean program and always has.Than maybe we do run a clean program.
Every succesful high level program breaks the rules to different degrees, no one runs a clean program and has continued success.
Except for Jarvis, there is no hint of anything suggesting SJU has not run a clean program. Jarvis was an anomaly and a cancer. But the other coaches we have had have been clean. Let's not put ourselves down unnecessarily.
Telep notes Gathers not signing now, wants to see what happens with Baylor investigation. His beloved brother sw Telep.
“@DaveTelep: About to jump into an ESPN chat. Have some news to pass on regarding Ricardo Gathers. Join us at 3pm ET http://t.co/Kup6zU2t (http://t.co/Kup6zU2t)”
Telep notes Gathers not signing now, wants to see what happens with Baylor investigation. His beloved brother sw Telep.
“@DaveTelep: About to jump into an ESPN chat. Have some news to pass on regarding Ricardo Gathers. Join us at 3pm ET http://t.co/Kup6zU2t (http://t.co/Kup6zU2t)”
Every program breaks rules, many worse than others, the stupid ones get caught (Calipari, Sampson etc.) the smart ones get a pass (Coach K, Howland) You cannot survive these days without doing it.Don't believe you can say Cal himself was caught as in both the Camby and Rose violations Cal himself was actually cleared-not saying he is clean or not just that nothing has ever been actually pinned on him directly at least to my knowledge.
Telep notes Gathers not signing now, wants to see what happens with Baylor investigation. His beloved brother sw Telep.Right after the Gathers "news," Reggie Rankin was asked this concerning biggest recruiting surprise(s):
“@DaveTelep: About to jump into an ESPN chat. Have some news to pass on regarding Ricardo Gathers. Join us at 3pm ET http://t.co/Kup6zU2t (http://t.co/Kup6zU2t)”
Telep notes Gathers not signing now, wants to see what happens with Baylor investigation. His beloved brother sw Telep.Right after the Gathers "news," Reggie Rankin was asked this concerning biggest recruiting surprise(s):
“@DaveTelep: About to jump into an ESPN chat. Have some news to pass on regarding Ricardo Gathers. Join us at 3pm ET http://t.co/Kup6zU2t (http://t.co/Kup6zU2t)”
"Chris (St. Louis): Of the prospects already committed, who surprised you the most with where they decided to commit?
Reggie Rankin
(4:05 PM)I am a little surprised, from a geographic standpoint. Kyle Anderson to UCLA. Kaleb Tarczewski to Arizona. Glen Robinson (son of Purdue great Glen Big Dog Robinson) to Michigan. There are a lot of things that could influence a decision but these surprised me.
I agree. When I read that he was surprised, that surprised me. Like you said Moose, he usually knows what's going on.Telep notes Gathers not signing now, wants to see what happens with Baylor investigation. His beloved brother sw Telep.Right after the Gathers "news," Reggie Rankin was asked this concerning biggest recruiting surprise(s):
“@DaveTelep: About to jump into an ESPN chat. Have some news to pass on regarding Ricardo Gathers. Join us at 3pm ET http://t.co/Kup6zU2t (http://t.co/Kup6zU2t)”
"Chris (St. Louis): Of the prospects already committed, who surprised you the most with where they decided to commit?
Reggie Rankin
(4:05 PM)I am a little surprised, from a geographic standpoint. Kyle Anderson to UCLA. Kaleb Tarczewski to Arizona. Glen Robinson (son of Purdue great Glen Big Dog Robinson) to Michigan. There are a lot of things that could influence a decision but these surprised me.
Reggie really needs more love as one of the experts. He really knows his stuff. Moreso than some of the blowhards out there.
SJU runs a clean program and always has.
Every succesful high level program breaks the rules to different degrees, no one runs a clean program and has continued success.
Would there be anything better for banter on this board than Iona coming out as a dirty program and having to watch Baldi bash them? I do not wish that on Iona, but it'd make for some great message board fodder
Would there be anything better for banter on this board than Iona coming out as a dirty program and having to watch Baldi bash them? I do not wish that on Iona, but it'd make for some great message board fodder
Iona has had its fair share of dirty laundry, see Ruland as player and coach. Sore loser Kevin Willard is even spreading rumors about the team recently.
Would there be anything better for banter on this board than Iona coming out as a dirty program and having to watch Baldi bash them? I do not wish that on Iona, but it'd make for some great message board fodder
Iona has had its fair share of dirty laundry, see Ruland as player and coach. Sore loser Kevin Willard is even spreading rumors about the team recently.
What is Willard saying
Yeah I mean why would Willard question why the Gael$ would get a top recruit over a Big East school in Seton Hall? Nothing $u$piciou$ about it, right Baldi? ;)
Yeah I mean why would Willard question why the Gael$ would get a top recruit over a Big East school in Seton Hall? Nothing $u$piciou$ about it, right Baldi? ;)
I thought I was coming on here to read about Ricardo Gathers
I thought I was coming on here to read about Ricardo Gathers
Every thread turns into a Iona debate.
When a recruit commits elsewhere, I don't think it's that surprising that it turns into more of an off-topic. And is that so bad? First was about Baylor's lack of institutional control (not Gathers), then about Baldi thinking some programs are actually clean, then I brought up Iona, and then it snowballed. THreads evolve by their nature...while it is FANTASTIC they are so organized here, to expect there won't be any digression is to ignore the nature of the beast.
I thought I was coming on here to read about Ricardo Gathers
Every thread turns into a Iona debate.
I didn't bring it up,was just responding
When a recruit commits elsewhere, I don't think it's that surprising that it turns into more of an off-topic. And is that so bad? First was about Baylor's lack of institutional control (not Gathers), then about Baldi thinking some programs are actually clean, then I brought up Iona, and then it snowballed. THreads evolve by their nature...while it is FANTASTIC they are so organized here, to expect there won't be any digression is to ignore the nature of the beast.
Was arrested last week for shoplifting:
http://m.wacotrib.com/news/police/baylor-basketball-forward-gathers-arrested-on-theft-charge/article_ef57c4f1-2707-59bf-816d-5cac8500a4ba.html?mode=jqm
He should have went to boosters through his family.