6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2008 Class => Topic started by: kjd01067 on March 05, 2008, 05:55:10 PM
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March 5, 2008
Jerry Meyer
Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting
... but the play of three-star senior point guard Tyshwan Edmondson has also been critical to University Heights success this year.
Edmondson, who is averaging 18 points, six rebounds and five assists per game, began the season with offers from Austin Peay, Eastern Kentucky and Morehead State. A strong senior season, however, has a number of schools making their way to Hopkinsville, Ky., to watch him play.
According to University Heights head coach Randy McCoy, VCU, SMU, Richmond and Nebraska have all recently watched Edmondson. St. John's is expected to watch him play this week, and Rutgers recently called about him.
With University Heights beginning the region tournament this week, Edmondson won't evaluate his recruiting situation until after the season.
"A lot of people are coming to watch him play and calling about him," said McCoy. "Ty is wide open and won't do anything until we are finished with the season. Then he will decide who is serious about him and who he wants to visit."
Despite Edmondson's rising stock as a prospect, in-state NAIA power Georgetown College is in the best shape of any school recruiting Edmondson according to Coach McCoy.
A point guard with size, Edmondson has the versatility to make plays at either guard position. He has a well rounded skill set and is athletic but does have room for improvement with his long range jump shot.
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March 5, 2008
Jerry Meyer
Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting
... but the play of three-star senior point guard Tyshwan Edmondson has also been critical to University Heights success this year.
Edmondson, who is averaging 18 points, six rebounds and five assists per game, began the season with offers from Austin Peay, Eastern Kentucky and Morehead State. A strong senior season, however, has a number of schools making their way to Hopkinsville, Ky., to watch him play.
According to University Heights head coach Randy McCoy, VCU, SMU, Richmond and Nebraska have all recently watched Edmondson. St. John's is expected to watch him play this week, and Rutgers recently called about him.
With University Heights beginning the region tournament this week, Edmondson won't evaluate his recruiting situation until after the season.
"A lot of people are coming to watch him play and calling about him," said McCoy. "Ty is wide open and won't do anything until we are finished with the season. Then he will decide who is serious about him and who he wants to visit."
Despite Edmondson's rising stock as a prospect, in-state NAIA power Georgetown College is in the best shape of any school recruiting Edmondson according to Coach McCoy.
A point guard with size, Edmondson has the versatility to make plays at either guard position. He has a well rounded skill set and is athletic but does have room for improvement with his long range jump shot.
Well, at least we're competing against power Georgetown, albeit KY's version
We should be able to compete against Richmond, SMU, VCU, and even Nebraska.
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scout has him visiting st john's today (4/21)
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p= ... 5639&fhn=1
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we need warm bodies.
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I think of the recruits we still have on our radar on want this kid the most. A 3 star point guard with size. Norm better be putting the full court press on him.
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i see scout lists him as two stars.
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i see scout lists him as two stars.
Rivals has him as a 3, Scout has has as a 2. I dont care how many stars he has from what I have read about him he is a very talented player. We need another point guard badly and this kid has size. We dont need this kid to be a super-star we need him to backup boothe cause after watching geno play for 4 years everyone knows a point cant play all 40 minutes.
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it's just that we're not breaking the cycle of overhyping players before they suit up. then when they fail to meet unfair expectations, we get posters who say they're glad norm kicked them out.
i respect every kid who comes here...but a stud is a stud and a role player is a role player.
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it's just that we're not breaking the cycle of overhyping players before they suit up. then when they fail to meet unfair expectations, we get posters who say they're glad norm kicked them out.
i respect every kid who comes here...but a stud is a stud and a role player is a role player.
At this point I dont think anybody is hyping the players we are currently recruiting with maybe the exception of Kilpatrick (all depends on who you ask). As stated again and again with only 9 scholarship athletes on the roster we need warm bodies. From what I have read on this guy he seems like he can be a serviceable backup point guard in the BE. All I know is we have to sign somebody because we arent gonna win many games with 9 players.
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With all due repect to Malik Boothe. . its not going to take a superhuman effort to be the starting point guard next season...
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With all due repect to Malik Boothe. . its not going to take a superhuman effort to be the starting point guard next season...
I disagree. I think Boothe is a lock for starting point guard.
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he agrees with that too.
as much as i like boothe, he cannot play 40 min a game nor can he even play 30..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SzhVABhiaY
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Being reported by HTGS on BEB that Edmonson and Quincy Roberts are close to signing with STJ.
http://www.bigeastboards.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=27640&sid=324ffd5d6c4034603cec93fa39381af7
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Does that guy have any credibility?
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he's usually good with his scoops.
we need a warm body who can play pg. that's all i know.
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=800751
A source close to St. John's revealed that on Sunday and Monday 6-3 senior point guard Tyshawn Edmondson from University Heights Academy in Hopkinsville, KY made his official visits at St. John's. In addition, 6-5 shooting guard Quincy Roberts from Harrisburg, PA High School will be paying the Johnnies a visit this Thursday.
Edmondson averages 18 points, six rebounds and five assists per game. This season he received offers from Austin Peay, Eastern Kentucky and Morehead State. Sources also say there is interest from VCU, SMU, Richmond and Nebraska for this hot prospect.
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Does that guy have any credibility?
no one is right all the time, but i believe it.
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he's usually good with his scoops.
we need a warm body who can play pg. that's all i know.
There is no doubt he is right about a lot of things and definitely gets some good scoops however he is also wrong about a lot of things too. There might be some truth to what he has to say here but wait and see.
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http://redstormsports.cstv.com/sports/m ... 08aab.html
TyShwan Edmondson To Bolster St. John's Basketball Backcourt In 2008-09
Norm Roberts inks second guard this week for the Red Storm men's team.
April 30, 2008
QUEENS, N.Y. - St. John's head men's basketball coach Norm Roberts announced the signing of the second high school guard this week, TyShwan Edmondson (Hopkinsville, Ky.), to a national letter of intent to join the Red Storm for the 2008-09 season.
"TyShwan will give us great minutes at the point and solid minutes off the ball as well, because he is a quality scorer," said Roberts. "He will help us on the defensive end with his length and quickness, and we are very excited to add him to our backcourt."
Edmondson, a 6-4, 175-pound dynamic playmaking guard from University Heights Academy in Hopkinsville, Ky., is a lightning-quick floor leader with the ability to score in transition, create his own shot, score off his defense and set up his teammates. He comes from the same high school program as former St. John's player Sergio Luyk (1991-95), who passed away recently in Spain.
A first team all-state selection by the Louisville Courier-Journal and the Kentucky Herald Leader, and a second team honoree according to the Associated Press, Edmondson averaged 18.4 points per game, 6.7 rebounds, 4.3 assists and 2.7 steals as a senior at UHA. He keyed the Blazers to a 30-5 record in 2007-08, leading UHA to the Kentucky High School Athletic Association (KHSAA) District 8 and Region 2 championship, before reaching the KHSAA Sweet Sixteen in the large school state tournament and taking the title among the smaller schools in the Kentucky All "A" Tournament.
After being named the Kentucky All "A" Tournament's most valuable player, Edmondson was selected to participate in the Kentucky-Ohio All-Star game, where he won the dunk contest and scored 14 points for his home state's squad on April 13.
"St. John's is getting a quality person that will represent the program well in the classroom, on campus and on the basketball court," said UHA high school coach Randy McKoy. "His upside is tremendous. He was a great high school player in the state of Kentucky, and at the next level with a structured weight program, he will really excel."
On Tuesday, Roberts and the Red Storm announced the signing of combo guard and all-state selection Quincy Roberts (Harrisburg, Pa./Harrisburg) to a NLI as well. Roberts and Edmondson should both give St. John's talented options in the backcourt in 2008-09.
Check back with RedStormSports.com, the home of St. John's Basketball on the Internet, for the latest Spring NLI updates.
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http://www.hoopsreport.com/player_database_details.php?id=328
Another short video of Ty. Video is in the middle of the page
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they rank him as a high major...so anywhere from 75-175.
"High Major-Likely two year starter for a team in a major conference (or an impact player at a mid-major program). In a typical class the top 175 players will receive a rating of High Major or higher."
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saw this blog from someone who posted on rivals...it quoted some stats...he shot 40% from 3...only took about 3 a game though (106 total). Seems like he is a "can keep them honest" type of shooter that can hit the shot if you give him space.
http://pennypick.blogspot.com/search?q=edmondson
I saw University Heights play Bowling Green in December when the Blazers cruised into the Purples' gym and cruised out with a victory. That night, Tyshwan Edmondson caught my eye, and he came into the state tournament averaging 18.2 points a game while hitting 42 of 106 three point goals and dishing out 143 assists in 34 ballgames. Scotty Hopson was the leading scorer for the Blazers with 24.4 points a game, and he averaged 11.4 rebounds per game. He gets all the attention, and rightly so with those gaudy numbers. DaQuan Brown ads 12.8 points per game for UHA.
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Just wanted to say nothin but the best fo this young man on the court and in the classroom.
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Here is what I'm going to say on this:
I can't seem to understand how this kid could be a high-major caliber player. He played with Scotty Hopson, one of the best seniors in the country that was unsigned throughout the season. That meant that there were tons of ACC and SEC coaches in attendance at his games throughout this season. Not a single one of them thought highly enough of Edmondson while watching Hopson to offer a scholarship. Sorry if I'm being a negative Nancy on this, but it's hard to imagine him being a high-major talent.
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Guess we'll see on the court, though. Tennessee needed a point guard and didn't look his way. But maybe he can suit St. John's backup needs and if not...
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From what i hear this kid is more of a combo guard/forward, who can handle the rock. Not a pure point... Plus, he is obviously a late bloomer that can jump OUT of the gym. And most people who saw him play this year say he was the best ALL-AROUND player on his team, not Hopson. I spoke to Q about T as well & he seemed pretty excited about this kid. Bottom line is he's a legit 6'4 with long arms, is very athletic, goes strong to the hoop & is relentless on 'D". He is also a better shooter than people are giving him credit. IMO, he could be the steal of this class. But all of this is speculation at this point. Can't wait to see this kid in action this summer.. 8) .. peace!
http://forums.kentucky.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-uksportsky&msg=44226.1&ctx=128
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Old Red- good info & discussion from that Kentucky board.
Since Ty sounds like a 2/3 combo (& Q Roberts is a 3),
who is backing up Booth this year ? (We have Stith coming in 09)
The Kentucky discussion above contradicts the
1st page on this thread with the "rivals" story.
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Old Red- good info & discussion from that Kentucky board.
Since Ty sounds like a 2/3 combo (& Q Roberts is a 3),
who is backing up Booth this year ? (We have Stith coming in 09)
The Kentucky discussion above contradicts the
1st page on this thread with the "rivals" story.
That's why I can't wait to see this kid in action. Because the reports on him are all over the place. On one hand u have Norm, Meyer from rivals & his own H.S. coach saying he can handle the point. And then u have people like this guy from the Kentucky board saying he is best suited for the SF spot... As far as who is backing up Boothe i would guess it's going to be a combo of Horne, Roberts & Edmondson. But i thinks it's too early to say at this point. Hopefully we'll have the answer to that question by the time conference play starts next year.
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Old Red- good info & discussion from that Kentucky board.
Since Ty sounds like a 2/3 combo (& Q Roberts is a 3),
who is backing up Booth this year ? (We have Stith coming in 09)
The Kentucky discussion above contradicts the
1st page on this thread with the "rivals" story.
That's why I can't wait to see this kid in action. Because the reports on him are all over the place. On one hand u have Norm, Meyer from rivals & his own H.S. coach saying he can handle the point. And then u have people like this guy from the Kentucky board saying he is best suited for the SF spot... As far as who is backing up Boothe i would guess it's going to be a combo of Horne, Roberts & Edmondson. But i thinks it's too early to say at this point. Hopefully we'll have the answer to that question by the time conference play starts next year.
we already have mase kennedy and thomas to play the three. if he's really a 3, he should redshirt if we land williams.
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Old Red- good info & discussion from that Kentucky board.
Since Ty sounds like a 2/3 combo (& Q Roberts is a 3),
who is backing up Booth this year ? (We have Stith coming in 09)
The Kentucky discussion above contradicts the
1st page on this thread with the "rivals" story.
That's why I can't wait to see this kid in action. Because the reports on him are all over the place. On one hand u have Norm, Meyer from rivals & his own H.S. coach saying he can handle the point. And then u have people like this guy from the Kentucky board saying he is best suited for the SF spot... As far as who is backing up Boothe i would guess it's going to be a combo of Horne, Roberts & Edmondson. But i thinks it's too early to say at this point. Hopefully we'll have the answer to that question by the time conference play starts next year.
don't know who this guys is on the kentucky board but he doesn't sound too bright. this guy actually calls him a 4...and no offense to Ty but he is no way comparable to Hopson.
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Old Red- good info & discussion from that Kentucky board.
Since Ty sounds like a 2/3 combo (& Q Roberts is a 3),
who is backing up Booth this year ? (We have Stith coming in 09)
The Kentucky discussion above contradicts the
1st page on this thread with the "rivals" story.
That's why I can't wait to see this kid in action. Because the reports on him are all over the place. On one hand u have Norm, Meyer from rivals & his own H.S. coach saying he can handle the point. And then u have people like this guy from the Kentucky board saying he is best suited for the SF spot... As far as who is backing up Boothe i would guess it's going to be a combo of Horne, Roberts & Edmondson. But i thinks it's too early to say at this point. Hopefully we'll have the answer to that question by the time conference play starts next year.
don't know who this guys is on the kentucky board but he doesn't sound too bright. this guy actually calls him a 4...and no offense to Ty but he is no way comparable to Hopson.
Have u seen him & his h.s. tream play? Because if u read all the articles it sounded like he was their best player down the stretch. And i'm pretty sure this guy has seen more than a few highlight tapes of this kid. Plus the kid is 6'4, still growing & has very long arms. He also averaged 18 pts & 8 boards a game last year. So i don't think it's a stretch to think he might have played a little 4 for his h.s. team this year... Regardless, i think we might have a real "sleeper" on our hands. I know the staff loves this kid.
http://fieldsnotes.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/h/
http://forum.bluegrassinsider.com/yaf_postsm56_08-PG-Tyshawn-Edmundson--UHA.aspx
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No way this kid is a four or played it in high school. He is a Jason Terry like point guard.
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No way this kid is a four or played it in high school. He is a Jason Terry like point guard.
No one is saying the kid is a 4. But he did average close to 8 rebounds & is a legit 6'4. Alot of h.s. teams have ZERO bigmen & a center around 6'6. So like i said, i don't think it's a stretch to think AT TIMES he may have slid down low to help on the boards & play some 'D'. He also regardless of size usually guarded the opposing teams best player. Plus, this kid is tough as they come. Sorry, but i'm going to go with the person that has actually seen this kid play & the statements of one of our assistants on this one.. ;D .. peace!
St. Johns got a real steal here.
The reason many fans think Tyshawn is a better college prospect than Scotty, his team mate who got so much more attention, is that Tyshawn goes to war every second he's on the floor. Doesn't matter 20 up, 20 down, first quarter, 4th quarter, top 10 opponent, winless opponent. Only thing that matters is when's the clock running. Ball's in play, he goes to war. Relentless.
He's also a better team player. He doesn't care how many points he gets. If the team needs him and they pass him the ball, he's happy to score. If not, he's happy to rebound, run up his assist total and play defense on the opponent's top player. For the last two years he's got most of his points on rebound putbacks.
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Bottom line he didn't play the four. He played each guard spot and is known for attacking the basket and being a crafty dribbler. He was and is too skinny to play anything inside even at the high school level and its pointless even debating this because either way its completely irrelevant.
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Bottom line he didn't play the four. He played each guard spot and is known for attacking the basket and being a crafty dribbler. He was and is too skinny to play anything inside even at the high school level and its pointless even debating this because either way its completely irrelevant.
Bottom line is u have never seen him play. So u have no idea whether he -AT TIMES - played the 4 or not. And my main point is we got ourselves a "player" who does whatever it takes to win games.. 8) .. peace!
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Bottom line he didn't play the four. He played each guard spot and is known for attacking the basket and being a crafty dribbler. He was and is too skinny to play anything inside even at the high school level and its pointless even debating this because either way its completely irrelevant.
Bottom line is u have never seen him play. So u have no idea whether he -AT TIMES - played the 4 or not. And my main point is we got ourselves a "player" who does whatever it takes to win games.. 8) .. peace!
You're right, you know all. I mean I guess conversations I've had with his high school coach, with our coaching staff, with a few writers who have covered his aau and high school team all don't know what they're talking about. Lets listen to some halfwit poster on a message board in Kentucky.
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No one is saying the kid is a 4.
I have not seen him play but I've seen Hopson play...and its a ridiculous statement to say he's a better player...they obviously liked Ty better because Hopson dogged it.
And actually that guy on the message board called him a 4...so I wouldn't put much stock in what he says. He says Kentucky would've taken him except he was too short to play the 4 at Kentucky...sounds like a pretty clueless basketball fan if you ask me. As for playing the 4 in high school who cares...he would never play the 4 in college at any level nevermind the bigeast.
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Numerous reports have said Hopson was a better AAU player than high school and it looked like he was never trying in high school.
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Bottom line he didn't play the four. He played each guard spot and is known for attacking the basket and being a crafty dribbler. He was and is too skinny to play anything inside even at the high school level and its pointless even debating this because either way its completely irrelevant.
Bottom line is u have never seen him play. So u have no idea whether he -AT TIMES - played the 4 or not. And my main point is we got ourselves a "player" who does whatever it takes to win games.. 8) .. peace!
You're right, you know all. I mean I guess conversations I've had with his high school coach, with our coaching staff, with a few writers who have covered his aau and high school team all don't know what they're talking about. Lets listen to some halfwit poster on a message board in Kentucky.
JJ. . don't let Scotch/Old Red 77&88/JDMcNugget/JB24/Dele15/Redmen55/Red Ghost bother you....
You might see him on campus one days soon.. . you know he "bumps into" the players all the time... he can usually be seen with his nose pressed against the glass of Tafner with a sign that reads.. I FLUFF FOR NORM..
peace. . bump.. yawn...
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http://www.hoopsreport.com/player_database_details.php?id=328
Another short video of Ty. Video is in the middle of the page
Just saw this post. Thanks for the video kjd.. 8) .. here is another scouting report from '07 on him from that same site :
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:8g3GzhL0ZaAJ:www.hoopsreport.com/news/hoopsnews/allaclassic+TyShwan+Edmondson&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=50&gl=us
The Hoopsreport staff was eager to get another look at University Height's Scotty Hopson who is a top 100 junior nationally and the 2nd ranked player in the state of Kentucky, but on this day it was Hopson's running mate, Tyshwan Edmondson who stole the show. Hopson had an off game and wasn't much of a factor. He was plagued by foul trouble that kept him out of the flow of the game and finished with a quiet 11pts-6reb-3ast.
Tyshwan Edmondson had a monster game and set a new career high with 33pts, beating his previous high of 29pts. He had a good enough first half that we noticed him but didn't shine until late in the game when the score was close and Hopson was struggling. That's when he took over hitting shot after shot and slowly put the game away and led University Height's to a 71-60 win over Heath. His final numbers were 33pts 10reb and 4ast. When we asked his coach about some of Edmondson's strength's here's some of the things he told us:
* Great work habit: he is the kind of kid that will stay after practice and shoot hundred's of extra shots and do defensive slides to improve his game.
* At 6'4 he is still growing
* He is very good at the point position where he keeps the game under control and gets his teammates involved.
* Very good offensive rebounder
*3.0 student
Schools: Vanderbilt,Florida,Wake Forest,Ohio St.
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(http://alleyoopscoop.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/ted.jpg)
btw - I hear "T" is the first one in the gym EVERY morning... working on his game & hitting the weights.. 8) .. imho, he will turn out to be the STEAL of this class.. ;) .. peace!
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(http://alleyoopscoop.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/ted.jpg)
btw - I hear "T" is the first one in the gym EVERY morning... working on his game & hitting the weights.. 8) .. imho, he will turn out to be the STEAL of this class.. ;) .. peace!
Good to hear. Thanks. Actually, I've heard that Phil Wait is the first one in the gym because he's getting there at 1 am thinking it's 7 am.
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hahahahaha!
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hahaha thats hilarious
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p.s. - In all seriousness, i think this class is being over-looked... with the "hype" of a possible '09 class of Stith, Lawrence & Parrom/Williams combined with the expected maturation of our '07 class - Burrell, Kennedy, Coker, Evans... etc... these recruits are getting lost in the shuffle.... all i know is i spoke to "Q", Casey & a former sju player a week ago & they were RAVING about these kids & their work ethic : Wait - legit 7'1, athletic, post player that runs the court... Edmondson - 6'4, still growing, jumps out of the gym, strong to the hoop, just needs muscle.... Roberts - 6'5, can play multiple positions, hits the open J, unselfish, strong & a very good passer.. ;D .. of course, they are freshmen & will have their share of growing pains... BUT... i can't wait for the season to start... yes, there are ALOT of "if's" but this team is the MOST talented team we've put on the court in a long, LONG time.. :o 8) ... it's all on Norm & Co. now... we've got the horses... now it's TIME to start winning some games : 18-20+ to be exact.. ;) ... the "gloves are off" normie... design an offense, pressure the ball & allow us "die-hards" to hold our heads HIGH again... if not... BEAT IT!!.. :) .. peace!!
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WHOA. Let's not get into predictions quite yet. Work ethic doesn't win games unless there's talent behind it and that work is efficient, good work.
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Also keep in mind do you think the coaches are going to diss their own people? You have to remember where you are getting this info from. If you ask coaches about Tomas they'll say he is working really really hard this offseason...what does that translate into? Not much.
I don't doubt he is working hard but I think we should expect him to be working hard. I honestly don't expect anything out of this class out of the gates. So if they give us anything year one....great.
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p.s. - In all seriousness, i think this class is being over-looked... with the "hype" of a possible '09 class of Stith, Lawrence & Parrom/Williams combined with the expected maturation of our '07 class - Burrell, Kennedy, Coker, Evans... etc... these recruits are getting lost in the shuffle.... all i know is i spoke to "Q", Casey & a former sju player a week ago & they were RAVING about these kids & their work ethic : Wait - legit 7'1, athletic, post player that runs the court... Edmondson - 6'4, still growing, jumps out of the gym, strong to the hoop, just needs muscle.... Roberts - 6'5, can play multiple positions, hits the open J, unselfish, strong & a very good passer.. ;D .. of course, they are freshmen & will have their share of growing pains... BUT... i can't wait for the season to start... yes, there are ALOT of "if's" but this team is the MOST talented team we've put on the court in a long, LONG time.. :o 8) ... it's all on Norm & Co. now... we've got the horses... now it's TIME to start winning some games : 18-20+ to be exact.. ;) ... the "gloves are off" normie... design an offense, pressure the ball & allow us "die-hards" to hold our heads HIGH again... if not... BEAT IT!!.. :) .. peace!!
It is a post like this that will NEVER EVER allow a real fan of the game of basketball, forget St. John's, to ever take you seriously... PURE COMEDY
The gloves were off last year too...
If this team wins 18 - 20 games next season... you can have dinner on me at any steakhouse in NYC you like.. and I will pay on my bet if I lose..
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play nice boys...
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p.s. - In all seriousness, i think this class is being over-looked... with the "hype" of a possible '09 class of Stith, Lawrence & Parrom/Williams combined with the expected maturation of our '07 class - Burrell, Kennedy, Coker, Evans... etc... these recruits are getting lost in the shuffle.... all i know is i spoke to "Q", Casey & a former sju player a week ago & they were RAVING about these kids & their work ethic : Wait - legit 7'1, athletic, post player that runs the court... Edmondson - 6'4, still growing, jumps out of the gym, strong to the hoop, just needs muscle.... Roberts - 6'5, can play multiple positions, hits the open J, unselfish, strong & a very good passer.. ;D .. of course, they are freshmen & will have their share of growing pains... BUT... i can't wait for the season to start... yes, there are ALOT of "if's" but this team is the MOST talented team we've put on the court in a long, LONG time.. :o 8) ... it's all on Norm & Co. now... we've got the horses... now it's TIME to start winning some games : 18-20+ to be exact.. ;) ... the "gloves are off" normie... design an offense, pressure the ball & allow us "die-hards" to hold our heads HIGH again... if not... BEAT IT!!.. :) .. peace!!
It is a post like this that will NEVER EVER allow a real fan of the game of basketball, forget St. John's, to ever take you seriously... PURE COMEDY
The gloves were off last year too...
If this team wins 18 - 20 games next season... you can have dinner on me at any steakhouse in NYC you like.. and I will pay on my bet if I lose..
Oldred, keep your optomistic posts coming. I enjoy them. Some others should stop being so negative all the time.
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Marco you play nice too....
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Marco you play nice too....
PMG ask you to say that? LOL
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p.s. - In all seriousness, i think this class is being over-looked... with the "hype" of a possible '09 class of Stith, Lawrence & Parrom/Williams combined with the expected maturation of our '07 class - Burrell, Kennedy, Coker, Evans... etc... these recruits are getting lost in the shuffle.... all i know is i spoke to "Q", Casey & a former sju player a week ago & they were RAVING about these kids & their work ethic : Wait - legit 7'1, athletic, post player that runs the court... Edmondson - 6'4, still growing, jumps out of the gym, strong to the hoop, just needs muscle.... Roberts - 6'5, can play multiple positions, hits the open J, unselfish, strong & a very good passer.. ;D .. of course, they are freshmen & will have their share of growing pains... BUT... i can't wait for the season to start... yes, there are ALOT of "if's" but this team is the MOST talented team we've put on the court in a long, LONG time.. :o 8) ... it's all on Norm & Co. now... we've got the horses... now it's TIME to start winning some games : 18-20+ to be exact.. ;) ... the "gloves are off" normie... design an offense, pressure the ball & allow us "die-hards" to hold our heads HIGH again... if not... BEAT IT!!.. :) .. peace!!
It is a post like this that will NEVER EVER allow a real fan of the game of basketball, forget St. John's, to ever take you seriously... PURE COMEDY
The gloves were off last year too...
If this team wins 18 - 20 games next season... you can have dinner on me at any steakhouse in NYC you like.. and I will pay on my bet if I lose..
Oldred, keep your optomistic posts coming. I enjoy them. Some others should stop being so negative all the time.
RED, I will dream the dream with U. 4 down 2 to go. Norm , CONGRATS!!!!! I'm alot happier than I was yesterday!
Can we all agree?
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Marco you play nice too....
PMG ask you to say that? LOL
Probably.. lol .. he can dish it out marco, but usually whines like a baby when he gets it thrown back his way... that is why i choose to ignore him now for the most part... it's like arguing with a schizophrenic ten year old at this point.. ;D ... regardless, neither he or anybody else will ever change my "optomistic" nature when it comes to SJU hoops & it has NOTHING to do with who is coaching the team at the time.. ::) .. I've been going to games with my family since i could barely walk & every year i "dream up" a scenario in which we reach the "promised land".. :o :) ... and one of these years the stars will align & we will have OUR moment in the sun... i truelly believe that we are on the verge of a RE-BIRTH... whether i'm right or not remains to be seen... but i refuse to TRASH a guy like Roberts & have no respect for anyone who does... The man grew up in NYC, is a class act, has only the BEST interests of the school/players in mind & is an actual "fan" of SJU as well. IMHO, he(and his staff) has put EVERYTHING he has into ressurecting this program... who in case people forgot, was on it's DEATH bed when he took the reigns 4 years ago thanks to that bald stooge Jarvis.. >:( ... To make a long story short : I like the team he has assembled & LET'S GO REDMEN!!!!.. 8) .. peace!
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every year i "dream up" a scenario in which we reach the "promised land"..
exactly--you dream and not look at the facts and live in reality.
i refuse to TRASH a guy like Roberts & have no respect for anyone who does
thanks to that bald stooge Jarvis
funny, how it is ok then to trash Jarvis then. not saying he did what was right, but he was representing SJU at the time yet it is ok when YOU feel it is ok.
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it's like arguing with a schizophrenic ten year old at this point..
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA..........
You calling anyone schizophrenic .. PURE COMEDY...
Scotch 77 & 88, Old Red, Red Ghost, Redmen 55, JB24, Dele15, Bucky Waters, Red Royal, Ronnie15
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every year i "dream up" a scenario in which we reach the "promised land"..
exactly--you dream and not look at the facts and live in reality.
i refuse to TRASH a guy like Roberts & have no respect for anyone who does
thanks to that bald stooge Jarvis
funny, how it is ok then to trash Jarvis then. not saying he did what was right, but he was representing SJU at the time yet it is ok when YOU feel it is ok.
Funny, i'm surprised it took u this long to come to ur girlfriends defense.. :D .. my point about "dreaming up a scenario" was that some ACTUAL fans do that before each season. Reality has nothing to do with it... it's about thinking up the best possible scenario & hoping it plays out... even though u KNOW in all likelihood it will not... Get it now son?
Your second point is so stupid it's almost not even worth responding to.. ::) ... In a nut-shell : Roberts = class act who has slowly but surely RE-BUILT everything that phoney sc*mbag tore down.... Jarvis = bald criminal who destroyed the SJU program.... and everything he got from SJU fans was WELL deserved... plus, if i ever saw him on the street i would not hesitate to spit right in his face.. 8) .. peace!
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it's like arguing with a schizophrenic ten year old at this point..
You calling anyone schizophrenic .. PURE COMEDY...
Scotch 77 & 88, Old Red, Red Ghost, Redmen 55, JB24, Dele15, Bucky Waters, Red Royal, Ronnie15
Red Royal.....LOL
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this thread is for Tyshwan...enough already.
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The real question about Tyshwan is he going to be able to play the PG at this level?
We really need another PG on the roster besides Malik. If Ty isn't the guy who is?
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Thats the biggest question mark of this years team...I don't see Paris being able to handle a lot of time at the point. Lets hope Ty can. Based on clips of Q. Roberts he seems more of a SG/SF than PG. Kennedy as point forward?
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This could be the pitfall to this year's team if Malik isn't playing well, in foul trouble, or hurt. Bodywise and looks Ty looks like Larry Wright. I don't think Ty has the same stroke though and I'm not sure if he can or can't play the point.
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This could be the pitfall to this year's team if Malik isn't playing well, in foul trouble, or hurt. Bodywise and looks Ty looks like Larry Wright. I don't think Ty has the same stroke though and I'm not sure if he can or can't play the point.
Very good point. . point guard play is going to continue to be a major issue for St. John's.. the team struggles to score and Malik is not remotely an offensive point guard... if Ty can really handle the position he will get a lot of minutes...
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This could be the pitfall to this year's team if Malik isn't playing well, in foul trouble, or hurt. Bodywise and looks Ty looks like Larry Wright. I don't think Ty has the same stroke though and I'm not sure if he can or can't play the point.
He may "look" like Wright facially & body-wise... but that is where the comparisons END imo. Unlike larry, "T" brings his lunch pail to the court/gym EVERY day & is an in ur face defender who used to "lockdown" the oppenents best player in h.s... He may not be as good a shooter but he is fearless going to the hoop & is an excellent passer as well.... Larry is at Oakland(lol) for two reasons : he did not give 100% in the classroom & in practice for SJU... and couldn't handle being yelled at either.. :'( .. btw - it remains to be seen whether he can handle the pg spot at this level... but i for one wouldn't bet against TE at this "point".. ;) .. peace!
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I haven't heard anything about Larry's academic failings. Let's just leave the young man be, don't need to disparage Wright; and we don't know what kind of student Tyshwan's gonna be. Hopefully he's as good a defender as his supporters make him out to be, and can dribble the team into sets without turning the ball over. That would be TE doing a good job; anything else would be gravy, and greatly appreciated.
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tyshawn isn't 6'5 he is like 6'2 and isn't big at all he has the biggest question. Mark for me
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I haven't heard anything about Larry's academic failings. Let's just leave the young man be, don't need to disparage Wright; and we don't know what kind of student Tyshwan's gonna be. Hopefully he's as good a defender as his supporters make him out to be, and can dribble the team into sets without turning the ball over. That would be TE doing a good job; anything else would be gravy, and greatly appreciated.
agreed...no reason to bash Larry...seemed like a good kid.
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Lets leave Larry be. He isn't on the squad anymore and we shouldn't say anything to slander his name. I have no knowledge that he wasn't doing well in school. There were issues with his work ethic in practice but I'll pull a line from AI and we're talking about practice?
Every coach wants a guy to give it 110% in practice but Larry always brought it in games. You can't replace his J. I thought we under utilized him as a shooter and there is no way Tyshwan steps in and replaces what Larry offered us. You want to knock him for his defense? Well with whoever we replaced him with on the floor they weren't offering us much more on the defensive end nor did they even come close to what Larry offered us on the offensive end.
Larry couldn't handle the criticism or the yelling. Some players react differently to styles of coaching/discipline. I feel you have to treat every player differently some coaches feel they treat all their guys the same. Its a matter of opinion.
I've seen Ty and I think he is solid 6'3 but he is skinny. He looks a lot like Larry physically. I haven't seen him play though.
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tyshawn isn't 6'5 he is like 6'2 and isn't big at all he has the biggest question. Mark for me
How is Paris doing...do you think he could log minutes at the point?
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tyshawn isn't 6'5 he is like 6'2 and isn't big at all he has the biggest question. Mark for me
KOB living in reality. Thank you. You are not in your sleep waiting for the tooth fairy.
And coming from someone who said he doesn't put down people who wear the SJU uniform....seems like a little bit of hypocrite if you ask me.
I hope Ty can play the point but gets annoying when people always think "pie in the sky" rather than reality.
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I'm not knocking tyshawn he can shot the ball but they have him at pg and I don't think he can handle it in the big east I maybe corrected let's see
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I'm not knocking tyshawn
Either am I, it is better to be a bit more realistic and not make out every recruit to be the next NBA all star.
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Hopefully the staff can teach Ty enough tricks and tools that he can hold down the point. I mean, Geno did pick up some tricks along the way. And Ty seems to be at least quick.
How about Quincy, do you think he can play the point for 5-10 minutes a game? Be nice if Horne or Kennedy could... but that's probably asking a lot of them.
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Paris maybe Quincy is gonna be a good defensive player very good he has the body and athleticism
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Good to hear about Quincy. Are either of them quick enough to defend point guards? Is Tyshwan? If they can force turnovers (even if they make them as inexperienced points), maybe they'll have some value.
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tyshawn isn't 6'5 he is like 6'2 and isn't big at all he has the biggest question. Mark for me
KOB living in reality. Thank you. You are not in your sleep waiting for the tooth fairy.
And coming from someone who said he doesn't put down people who wear the SJU uniform....seems like a little bit of hypocrite if you ask me.
I hope Ty can play the point but gets annoying when people always think "pie in the sky" rather than reality.
Pssssst.. i never said "T" was 6'5... just that he has long arms & is still growing.
Pssssst... Larry does not wear an SJU uniform anymore. And i did not "put him down"... i gave u the FACTS regarding his departure from SJU & pointed out that going to Oakland was not exactly a "step up" from the Big East.
Psssst... I never said that "T" can definitely play the point at this level. What i said was i would not count the kid out because he is talented, has a GREAT work ethic & is in the gym every morning working on his game.. 8) .. That is the "REALITY" of the situation.
Psssst.... no one hear is making this kid out to be an "all-star" son.. ::) ... just relaying what a few people on the SJU staff & a former sju player think of one of our incoming recruits... Nothing more, Nothing less.. :) .. peace!
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just relaying what a few people on the SJU staff & a former sju player think of one of our incoming recruits... Nothing more, Nothing less.. :) .. peace!
*Picture of baby yawning
*Pic removed by KJD because it was huge and took forever for my computer to load (no need for useless pictures use words please)
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just relaying what a few people on the SJU staff & a former sju player think of one of our incoming recruits... Nothing more, Nothing less.. :) .. peace!
picture of baby yawning
LMFAO
*Edited by KJD for same reason as listed above
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p.s. - In all seriousness, i think this class is being over-looked... with the "hype" of a possible '09 class of Stith, Lawrence & Parrom/Williams combined with the expected maturation of our '07 class - Burrell, Kennedy, Coker, Evans... etc... these recruits are getting lost in the shuffle.... all i know is i spoke to "Q", Casey & a former sju player a week ago & they were RAVING about these kids & their work ethic : Wait - legit 7'1, athletic, post player that runs the court... Edmondson - 6'4, still growing, jumps out of the gym, strong to the hoop, just needs muscle.... Roberts - 6'5, can play multiple positions, hits the open J, unselfish, strong & a very good passer.. ;D .. of course, they are freshmen & will have their share of growing pains... BUT... i can't wait for the season to start... yes, there are ALOT of "if's" but this team is the MOST talented team we've put on the court in a long, LONG time.. :o 8) ... it's all on Norm & Co. now... we've got the horses... now it's TIME to start winning some games : 18-20+ to be exact.. ;) ... the "gloves are off" normie... design an offense, pressure the ball & allow us "die-hards" to hold our heads HIGH again... if not... BEAT IT!!.. :) .. peace!!
It is a post like this that will NEVER EVER allow a real fan of the game of basketball, forget St. John's, to ever take you seriously... PURE COMEDY
The gloves were off last year too...
If this team wins 18 - 20 games next season... you can have dinner on me at any steakhouse in NYC you like.. and I will pay on my bet if I lose..
Oldred, keep your optomistic posts coming. I enjoy them. Some others should stop being so negative all the time.
RED, I will dream the dream with U. 4 down 2 to go. Norm , CONGRATS!!!!! I'm alot happier than I was yesterday!
Can we all agree?
Welcome aboard "The Optomistic Express" brotha.. ;D .. btw - love the screen-name ""REVOLUTION"... something queens & this entrire country NEEDS at this time.. 8) .. peace!!
p.s. - chop Bu$h's head off first for TREASON sorrounding the ACTUAL events that took place before & after the 9/11 "attacks".. :-X >:( ... and than alternate between democrats & republicans untill all the RATS/TRAITORS to this country are brought to JUSTICE for their roles in the MASSACRE of 3,000 americans in the middle of new york city & the THOUSANDS of our military personal and civilians slaughtered in Iraq based on the LIES of all these sc*mbags in D.C.. :-[ :-[ :-[ .. God Bless America!!
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btw - Saw & spoke to Edmondson yesterday on campus with my cousin. He actually reminds of a shorter version of Kennedy. He is shy, skinny & definitely needs to put on 15-20 lbs of muscle. But from everything i have heard/seen he is a great athlete, loves the game & will do whatever it takes to win... He was walking by Taffner & i shouted out his name & he seemed absolutely shocked we knew who he was. I asked him how he liked NYC thus far & said he loved it. I thanked him for coming all the way from Kentucky to help restore our "good name"... we shook hands & he said something to the effect of "no doubt, that's what we are going to do".. :) .. the kid is still a "baby" physically but in a few years i think we REALLY got a "steal/sleeper" with this kid.... only time will tell.
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btw - Saw & spoke to Edmondson yesterday on campus with my cousin. He actually reminds of a shorter version of Kennedy. He is shy, skinny & definitely needs to put on 15-20 lbs of muscle. But from everything i have heard/seen he is a great athlete, loves the game & will do whatever it takes to win... He was walking by Taffner & i shouted out his name & he seemed absolutely shocked we knew who he was. I asked him how he liked NYC thus far & said he loved it. I thanked him for coming all the way from Kentucky to help restore our "good name"... we shook hands & he said something to the effect of "no doubt, that's what we are going to do".. :) .. the kid is still a "baby" physically but in a few years i think we REALLY got a "steal/sleeper" with this kid.... only time will tell.
Good work Oldred! You should have asked him if he can run the point
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btw - Saw & spoke to Edmondson yesterday on campus with my cousin. He actually reminds of a shorter version of Kennedy. He is shy, skinny & definitely needs to put on 15-20 lbs of muscle. But from everything i have heard/seen he is a great athlete, loves the game & will do whatever it takes to win... He was walking by Taffner & i shouted out his name & he seemed absolutely shocked we knew who he was. I asked him how he liked NYC thus far & said he loved it. I thanked him for coming all the way from Kentucky to help restore our "good name"... we shook hands & he said something to the effect of "no doubt, that's what we are going to do".. :) .. the kid is still a "baby" physically but in a few years i think we REALLY got a "steal/sleeper" with this kid.... only time will tell.
Good work Oldred! You should have asked him if he can run the point
Thanks Mr. Baldi.. 8) .. my cousin will probably see him before i do again. So i will instruct him to ask that question when/if he runs into him.... My bad!
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btw - Saw & spoke to Edmondson yesterday on campus with my cousin. He actually reminds of a shorter version of Kennedy. He is shy, skinny & definitely needs to put on 15-20 lbs of muscle. But from everything i have heard/seen he is a great athlete, loves the game & will do whatever it takes to win... He was walking by Taffner & i shouted out his name & he seemed absolutely shocked we knew who he was. I asked him how he liked NYC thus far & said he loved it. I thanked him for coming all the way from Kentucky to help restore our "good name"... we shook hands & he said something to the effect of "no doubt, that's what we are going to do".. :) .. the kid is still a "baby" physically but in a few years i think we REALLY got a "steal/sleeper" with this kid.... only time will tell.
Good work Oldred! You should have asked him if he can run the point
I don't think he would say no. Marco is a regular...
(http://www.mtv.com/news/moviehouse/photos/anchor_burgundy_mtvnews/MTVNews_RonBurgundy/ron_burgundy_sleazy.jpg)
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btw - Saw & spoke to Edmondson yesterday on campus with my cousin. He actually reminds of a shorter version of Kennedy. He is shy, skinny & definitely needs to put on 15-20 lbs of muscle. But from everything i have heard/seen he is a great athlete, loves the game & will do whatever it takes to win... He was walking by Taffner & i shouted out his name & he seemed absolutely shocked we knew who he was. I asked him how he liked NYC thus far & said he loved it. I thanked him for coming all the way from Kentucky to help restore our "good name"... we shook hands & he said something to the effect of "no doubt, that's what we are going to do".. :) .. the kid is still a "baby" physically but in a few years i think we REALLY got a "steal/sleeper" with this kid.... only time will tell.
Good work Oldred! You should have asked him if he can run the point
I don't think he would say no. Marco is a regular...
(http://www.mtv.com/news/moviehouse/photos/anchor_burgundy_mtvnews/MTVNews_RonBurgundy/ron_burgundy_sleazy.jpg)
Ur probably right JJ... but i have mad respect for marco. He is one funny mother-f*cker & a fellow prepster as well. Although i have heard he has an ego the the size of Jarvies bald dome.. :D .. peace!!
(http://www.shirtrocker.com/catalog/20069765_tp_29_1.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqAjA3ORFd8
p.s. - just kidding buddy.. ;D .. Ron Burgundy Rules!!!
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I have no ego but the fact is is that Im the best poster around, just ask PMG
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here's another video of Tyshwan
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A8A2PVURNCM&feature=user
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oh no he does the Larry Wright salute in starting lineups....
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also....do you hear the announcer "6'2 senior Ty..."
they also spell his name wrong at the end. Lets take bets what paper will spell it wrong first? Daily News or NY Post?
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oh no he does the Larry Wright salute in starting lineups....
Don't worry, the fact he is 6'3, a lefty & does that "salute" are where the comparisons end.... listen i was one of Wright's biggest fans early on & he is definitely a better shooter than "T"... but the FACTS are he was a below average defender & did not give enough effort on/off the court. Especially on the practice floor.. ::) ... Once again, there is a "reason" he ended up at Oakland(lol)... Let's just say the kid from Kentucky has a much better "attitude" & goes all out on every play.... plus, judging by that video he loves playing the game, goes hard to the hoop, has major hops/long arms & is basically fearless out there.. 8) .. the only negatives i can see from the video is that he is a little "loose" with his dribble. His jumper didn't look half bad though... and yes i realize this is a "highlight" video. But a BLIND man could see this kid has talent & just needs to be developed.
(http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/demling/uploaded_images/IMG_7219-770487.JPG)
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But a BLIND man could see this kid has talent & just needs to be developed.
Here is the issue with this staff... they DON'T DEVELOP PLAYERS.. they only kid I have seen major improvement from under this staff was Sean Evans last year.. and honestly. . I think a lot of that had to with the kid finally committing to basketball full time...
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But a BLIND man could see this kid has talent & just needs to be developed.
Here is the issue with this staff... they DON'T DEVELOP PLAYERS.. they only kid I have seen major improvement from under this staff was Sean Evans last year.. and honestly. . I think a lot of that had to with the kid finally committing to basketball full time...
Maybe this is why Norm brought in some new coaches.
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But a BLIND man could see this kid has talent & just needs to be developed.
Here is the issue with this staff... they DON'T DEVELOP PLAYERS.. they only kid I have seen major improvement from under this staff was Sean Evans last year.. and honestly. . I think a lot of that had to with the kid finally committing to basketball full time...
Maybe this is why Norm brought in some new coaches.
Yeah .. these guys both have such long historys of developing college level players... ha ha ha ha
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But a BLIND man could see this kid has talent & just needs to be developed.
Here is the issue with this staff... they DON'T DEVELOP PLAYERS.. they only kid I have seen major improvement from under this staff was Sean Evans last year.. and honestly. . I think a lot of that had to with the kid finally committing to basketball full time...
Maybe this is why Norm brought in some new coaches.
Yeah .. these guys both have such long historys of developing college level players... ha ha ha ha
Well, they seem to have a great record of developing High School players. Thats more than can be said of the other assistants, theyve already brought more talent in in a week than the others have in years. Its certainly easier to coach talented kids
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But a BLIND man could see this kid has talent & just needs to be developed.
Here is the issue with this staff... they DON'T DEVELOP PLAYERS.. they only kid I have seen major improvement from under this staff was Sean Evans last year.. and honestly. . I think a lot of that had to with the kid finally committing to basketball full time...
Beg to differ "pmg"... i've seen improvement from Mase but unfortunately the kid seems to have ZERO luck staying healthy. Plus, most of our FRESHMEN - evans, burrell, kennedy(our best player down the stretch) & even Horne(late) showed improvement during the season imo.... Has Norm & co. proven themselves to be big time coaches & talent developers yet? NO, of course not... but u have to remember they inhereited a bunch of "dogs" from Jarvis & unfortunately it took untill last years recruiting class to finally get some REAL players in here... now it's time for them & the TEAM to take that "next step" in their development... If not? Things are going to get ugly & i doubt that Norm and his staff would survive a complete "mutiny" by the students/fans after this season.... I for one think we finally have the "horses" & i'm expecting good things this year. Barring half the team going down with injuries... which i don't expect to happen.. :) .. peace!
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oh no he does the Larry Wright salute in starting lineups....
Don't worry, the fact he is 6'3, a lefty & does that "salute" are where the comparisons end.... listen i was one of Wright's biggest fans early on & he is definitely a better shooter than "T"... but the FACTS are he was a below average defender & did not give enough effort on/off the court. Especially on the practice floor.. ::) ... Once again, there is a "reason" he ended up at Oakland(lol)... Let's just say the kid from Kentucky has a much better "attitude" & goes all out on every play.... plus, judging by that video he loves playing the game, goes hard to the hoop, has major hops/long arms & is basically fearless out there.. 8) .. the only negatives i can see from the video is that he is a little "loose" with his dribble. His jumper didn't look half bad though... and yes i realize this is a "highlight" video. But a BLIND man could see this kid has talent & just needs to be developed.
(http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/demling/uploaded_images/IMG_7219-770487.JPG)
Come on...do you hear yourself? How do you know he goes all out all the time? A good jumpshot? By a 2 minute highlight video? I'm not saying he is a bust but I'm not making him out to be better than what he is. Fact is he is relatively unknown.
Also do you think I was actually serious by judging his talent based off what he does when his name is announced? Its the same as Larry Wright. Its funny. Ironic. Its a joke.
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But a BLIND man could see this kid has talent & just needs to be developed.
Here is the issue with this staff... they DON'T DEVELOP PLAYERS.. they only kid I have seen major improvement from under this staff was Sean Evans last year.. and honestly. . I think a lot of that had to with the kid finally committing to basketball full time...
Maybe this is why Norm brought in some new coaches.
Yeah .. these guys both have such long historys of developing college level players... ha ha ha ha
Well, they seem to have a great record of developing High School players. Thats more than can be said of the other assistants, theyve already brought more talent in in a week than the others have in years. Its certainly easier to coach talented kids
Do you really think that Oz Cross & Kiami Young have had a bigger role in developing the basketball skills of their AAU players then the kids high school coaches..?
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But a BLIND man could see this kid has talent & just needs to be developed.
Here is the issue with this staff... they DON'T DEVELOP PLAYERS.. they only kid I have seen major improvement from under this staff was Sean Evans last year.. and honestly. . I think a lot of that had to with the kid finally committing to basketball full time...
Maybe this is why Norm brought in some new coaches.
Yeah .. these guys both have such long historys of developing college level players... ha ha ha ha
Well, they seem to have a great record of developing High School players. Thats more than can be said of the other assistants, theyve already brought more talent in in a week than the others have in years. Its certainly easier to coach talented kids
Do you really think that Oz Cross & Kiami Young have had a bigger role in developing the basketball skills of their AAU players then the kids high school coaches..?
Nowadays, I have no clue. Its getting hard to seperate the coaches. Do you think guys like Antigua and Tiny Morton are teaching kids the game?
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This quote from Jeff Goodman is an experts view on AAU and reinforces my previously held opinions that AAU ball is about exposure and experience, not development. Not as immaterial as street ball but not fundamentally sound. Am I wrong?
"I caught a few minutes of the Boost Mobile Elite 24 game, but it was so painful to watch that I had to turn it off almost immediately. I know it’s hard to fathom, but it’s even a step down from AAU ball in terms of the quality of play."
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Do you really think that Oz Cross & Kiami Young have had a bigger role in developing the basketball skills of their AAU players then the kids high school coaches..?
High school season lasts 3 months...AAU season is year round. I developed a lot more with my AAU coach than I did with my high school coaches. Same for a lot of other players. As far as this particular situation...I don't know...but it would not surprise me if an AAU coach had a bigger role.
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Do you really think that Oz Cross & Kiami Young have had a bigger role in developing the basketball skills of their AAU players then the kids high school coaches..?
High school season lasts 3 months...AAU season is year round. I developed a lot more with my AAU coach than I did with my high school coaches. Same for a lot of other players. As far as this particular situation...I don't know...but it would not surprise me if an AAU coach had a bigger role.
where did you go to high school..?
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I don't know about kimani but Oz did
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K's knowledge of the game is def and he could easly been a head coach on the PSAL or CHSAA but those jobs dont come along too often. Major D1 playa fo Don Haskins.
And Oz already coach high and AAU wit much success.
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oh no he does the Larry Wright salute in starting lineups....
Don't worry, the fact he is 6'3, a lefty & does that "salute" are where the comparisons end.... listen i was one of Wright's biggest fans early on & he is definitely a better shooter than "T"... but the FACTS are he was a below average defender & did not give enough effort on/off the court. Especially on the practice floor.. ::) ... Once again, there is a "reason" he ended up at Oakland(lol)... Let's just say the kid from Kentucky has a much better "attitude" & goes all out on every play.... plus, judging by that video he loves playing the game, goes hard to the hoop, has major hops/long arms & is basically fearless out there.. 8) .. the only negatives i can see from the video is that he is a little "loose" with his dribble. His jumper didn't look half bad though... and yes i realize this is a "highlight" video. But a BLIND man could see this kid has talent & just needs to be developed.
(http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/demling/uploaded_images/IMG_7219-770487.JPG)
Come on...do you hear yourself? How do you know he goes all out all the time? A good jumpshot? By a 2 minute highlight video? I'm not saying he is a bust but I'm not making him out to be better than what he is. Fact is he is relatively unknown.
Also do you think I was actually serious by judging his talent based off what he does when his name is announced? Its the same as Larry Wright. Its funny. Ironic. Its a joke.
(http://www.bluegrassinsider.com/Images/Features/Edmondson.JPG)
http://forums.kentucky.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-uksportsky&msg=44226.1&ctx=128
Relax JJ... i guess u missed my earlier post when i mentioned discussing our new recruits with coach 'Q'(loves edmondson), casey & a former sju player who works for the university. Plus, in EVERY article u read about 'T' from the local kentucky newspaper(courier journal?) it lauds this kid for his effort & states how he was their best player(not scotty hopson) down the stretch. U also might want to re-read this thread & review the discussion i had with a guy from a kentucky message board who HAS actually seen him play. U might find it interesting.. :) .. btw - i realize it was a joke... just used it as an oppurtunity to point out that Wright & Edmondson are two totally different players... despite their similar physical attributes.
http://fieldsnotes.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/h/
http://forum.bluegrassinsider.com/yaf_postsm56_08-PG-Tyshawn-Edmundson--UHA.aspx
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oh no he does the Larry Wright salute in starting lineups....
Don't worry, the fact he is 6'3, a lefty & does that "salute" are where the comparisons end.... listen i was one of Wright's biggest fans early on & he is definitely a better shooter than "T"... but the FACTS are he was a below average defender & did not give enough effort on/off the court. Especially on the practice floor.. ::) ... Once again, there is a "reason" he ended up at Oakland(lol)... Let's just say the kid from Kentucky has a much better "attitude" & goes all out on every play.... plus, judging by that video he loves playing the game, goes hard to the hoop, has major hops/long arms & is basically fearless out there.. 8) .. the only negatives i can see from the video is that he is a little "loose" with his dribble. His jumper didn't look half bad though... and yes i realize this is a "highlight" video. But a BLIND man could see this kid has talent & just needs to be developed.
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Come on...do you hear yourself? How do you know he goes all out all the time? A good jumpshot? By a 2 minute highlight video? I'm not saying he is a bust but I'm not making him out to be better than what he is. Fact is he is relatively unknown.
Also do you think I was actually serious by judging his talent based off what he does when his name is announced? Its the same as Larry Wright. Its funny. Ironic. Its a joke.
(http://www.bluegrassinsider.com/Images/Features/Edmondson.JPG)
http://forums.kentucky.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=kr-uksportsky&msg=44226.1&ctx=128
Relax JJ... i guess u missed my earlier post when i mentioned discussing our new recruits with coach 'Q'(loves edmondson), casey & a former sju player who works for the university. Plus, in EVERY article u read about 'T' from the local kentucky newspaper(courier journal?) it lauds this kid for his effort & states how he was their best player(not scotty hopson) down the stretch. U also might want to re-read this thread & review the discussion i had with a guy from a kentucky message board who HAS actually seen him play. U might find it interesting.. :) .. btw - i realize it was a joke... just used it as an oppurtunity to point out that Wright & Edmondson are two totally different players... despite their similar physical attributes.
http://fieldsnotes.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/h/
http://forum.bluegrassinsider.com/yaf_postsm56_08-PG-Tyshawn-Edmundson--UHA.aspx
I believe I said this somewhere is that if you talk to our coaching staff or people on the payroll of St. John's they are going to give a biased opinion/statement to someone like yourself(any person on the street). They are not going to publicly state anything negative about one of their own.
Also are you getting all your information from an unknown guy on a message board? Is this the same guy who told you Tyshwan played the 4 and you tried to inform everyone here about it(see earlier in this thread). If you base your opinion off of articles than there would be a lot of kids who would be awesome and completely dominant. Liam Biestly averaged 27ppg or something like that in high school. STUD!
If you want to base your opinion on what you have heard or read thats fine. My opinion is that I'm indifferent at the moment because I have yet to see Ty play. I can't go off a highlight film against unknown competition and say too much. I think you can see some of his physical capabilities and see a little ball handling and form but there are too many intangibles that are unknown for me to get as excited as you. I respect your opinion but I disagree at this point in time because simply as I said before I am too uninformed to have an opinion on him.
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K's knowledge of the game is def and he could easly been a head coach on the PSAL or CHSAA but those jobs dont come along too often. Major D1 playa fo Don Haskins.
Kiami could never get a job as a CHSAA or PSAL coach with a drug conviction on hisd record.... Not taking a shot at him. . its just the way it is...