6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2012 Class => Topic started by: STJ11Redmen on March 10, 2012, 09:20:32 PM
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria
.@STJCoachLavin watched 6-9 Chris Obekpa and wing Felix Balamou last night and is watching Monroe College's Marco Bourgault tonight #stjbb
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6'6" and is shooting 41.5% from 3 on the season.
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If he's watching Monroe wouldn't he be watching Orlando Sanchez too?
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Is beginning to bug me that where looking at all these nice sounding potential recruits but which ones have we offered? I know Lav and the staff have been out to see a number of recruits but who is he throwing the ships at? Besides Jakarr, obekpa and the ineligible Hall. Have we offered Morris? Bloodman? Parga? Etc
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This is from a Zagsblog article in late December.
“Marco is a great shooter; they really like him,” Joe Boncore, who trains Bourgault and helped bring him over from France, told SNY.tv. “He’s been going to Maryland in the summer [to train] the last three years.”
Bourgault, averaging 9.2 points and 3.6 rebounds for unbeaten Monroe (12-0), initially signed with Montana State in 2009, but was ruled ineligible by the NCAA. He then enrolled at Notre Dame Prep.
Bourgault, who also has interest from Iona and Florida International, would have three years of Division 1 eligibility remaining.
“He’s really interested in going to Maryland,” Boncore said. “They like him. Coach [Scott] Spinelli likes his intelligence on the court, that he can pass and shoot. He’s really got range.”
Bourgault is very close with Maryland big man Alex Len, the 7-foot-1 Ukrainian who was suspended the first 10 games of the season and becomes eligible Wednesday against Albany.
“Marco is very, very close friends with Alex Len and thats the connection,” Boncore said.
Bourgault also rooms with Sanchez, averaging 9.6 points and 7.0 rebounds.
“Since they are roommates and best friends they might go together if Orlando chooses there also,” Boncore said.
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http://247sports.com/Player/Marco-Bourgault-17304 (http://247sports.com/Player/Marco-Bourgault-17304)
Sharpshooting guard with prototypical shooting guard size. Not a stellar athlete but known as a heady player who makes teammates better and can knock down the three-pointer. Native of France who committed to Montana originally but was ruled ineligible by the NCAA, prompting him to enroll at junior college.
Mentions ?maryland as the leader in January
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Is beginning to bug me that where looking at all these nice sounding potential recruits but which ones have we offered? I know Lav and the staff have been out to see a number of recruits but who is he throwing the ships at? Besides Jakarr, obekpa and the ineligible Hall. Have we offered Morris? Bloodman? Parga? Etc
Parga ship has sailed. I think we have offered Morris. Bloodman not sure.
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Is beginning to bug me that where looking at all these nice sounding potential recruits but which ones have we offered? I know Lav and the staff have been out to see a number of recruits but who is he throwing the ships at? Besides Jakarr, obekpa and the ineligible Hall. Have we offered Morris? Bloodman? Parga? Etc
Parga ship has sailed. I think we have offered Morris. Bloodman not sure.
Moes def not staying if we've only offered 1 more big.
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Moes def not staying if we've only offered 1 more big.
The staff envisions Sampson at PF and Obekpa at C. I think that's enough to make Harkless stay as long as he's no worse than 50-50 on staying. We wouldn't be huge, but good enough for the style we play. With so many ships available they may opt to bring in a tall project as well.
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With the exception of Tony Parker, the French players are very, very overrated.
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With the exception of Tony Parker, the French players are very, very overrated.
This -not a big fan of French basketball payers. The boom to bust ratio is pretty alarming.
Remember when the Knicks chose Frederic Weis( sp?), the Frech dude, over Artest :idiot2:
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With the exception of Tony Parker, the French players are very, very overrated.
Not sure if he is overrated or not... But Nicolas Batum for the Blazers is French and gonna be a real good player.. That kid is nice.
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With the exception of Tony Parker, the French players are very, very overrated.
This -not a big fan of French basketball payers. The boom to bust ratio is pretty alarming.
:idiot2:
Remember when the Knicks chose Frederic Weis( sp?), the Frech dude, over Artest
Uh, we're recruiting for St. Johnns, NOT the freaking NBA. I'd LOVE to go into the BE schedule next year with a 19 year old 7'2 260 lb Fredrick Weis at center!
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With the exception of Tony Parker, the French players are very, very overrated.
This -not a big fan of French basketball payers. The boom to bust ratio is pretty alarming.
:idiot2:
Remember when the Knicks chose Frederic Weis( sp?), the Frech dude, over Artest
Uh, we're recruiting for St. Johnns, NOT the freaking NBA. I'd LOVE to go into the BE schedule next year with a 19 year old 7'2 260 lb Fredrick Weis at center!
Gonzalo mentioned Tony Parker. He's in the NBA. I brought up Frederick Weis because as St. John's (and I'm assuming Knicks fans) people would be familiar with him. My point was to highlight the overrated French players.
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With the exception of Tony Parker, the French players are very, very overrated.
You've got to be kidding. You know who else is very, very overrated? NYC kids.
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Currently there are 10 French born players in the NBA. 9 since one is Noah and some might not consider him French. The other 9 are-
Nicolas Batum
Rodrigue Beaubois
Boris Diaw
Ian Mahinmi
Tony Parker
Johan Petro
Mickael Pietrus
Kevin Seraphin
Ronny Turiaf
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With the exception of Tony Parker, the French players are very, very overrated.
You've got to be kidding. You know who else is very, very overrated? NYC kids.
Nicolas Batum averages 14 points, playing in a losing team (Portland).
Rodrigue Beaubois is averaging a career high 8.5 points with a not good team (Dallas).
Boris Diaw averages 9.7 points in his career. He has played playoffs 4 times in 8 years, so he has not played in very good teams.
Ian Mahinmi is averaging a career high 6.3 points and 4.7 rebounds with Dallas.
Johan Petro averages 4.7 in his career. He has only played in 2 playoffs in 6 years.
Mickael Pietrus was chosen 13th in 2003 draft. He has only scored more than 10 ppg in 1 season. He has only played in 3 playoffs in 8 years.
Kevin Seraphin is averaging a career high 3.7 points with the second worst NBA team (Washington).
Ronny Turiaf has averaged 5.2 points in his career.
Yes, they have some NBA players. But the French National Team never wins a championship, usually doesn´t play the Final Four (Olympic games, European Championship, World Championship).
I repeat it: they are very, very overrated. They are very physical and very athletics, but they don´t have any IQ, they don´t play a good basketball. Parker (and perhaps Batum) is the exception.
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Alright enough with the stuff about French NBA players it has littler to nothing to do about Bourgault. Let's keep it on topic please
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Alright enough with the stuff about French NBA players it has littler to nothing to do about Bourgault. Let's keep it on topic please
Of course it does.
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Alright enough with the stuff about French NBA players it has littler to nothing to do about Bourgault. Let's keep it on topic please
Of course it does.
How because every kid from France is comparable in basketball? What does how good of a player Tony Parker is have to do with Bourgault? Listing every nba player from France has no relevance to st. John's recruitment of this player.
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Alright enough with the stuff about French NBA players it has littler to nothing to do about Bourgault. Let's keep it on topic please
Of course it does.
How because every kid from France is comparable in basketball? What does how good of a player Tony Parker is have to do with Bourgault? Listing every nba player from France has no relevance to st. John's recruitment of this player.
I don't want to start a war but since I posted the list of French players I think it is very relevant. It's kind of like if we went after a 6'5 PF and we listed 6'5 players who played PF and how they succeeded.
I know if a perfect world you'd like every thread to stay on topic but thread will naturally run off course. The best part about this site is knowing there is a thread on Bourgault and if news on him comes up everyone knows where to post it.
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“@AdamZagoria: #stjbb has offered Marco Bourgault, a 6-6 shooter from Monroe (NY) College, and remains in very strong position.”
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Sanchez roommate
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Position:
Height: 6-6
Class: Sophomore
Hometown: St. Malo, France
High School: Notre Dame Prep HS
There are many dimensions to Marco’s game, but the facet that stands out the most is his ability to shoot the basketball and for a player his size, that’s impressive. He also has what Coach Brustad likes to call a “high basketball IQ” which backs up his variety of skills, including getting to the basket on the drive as well as shooting from the outside. In addition to his experience in basketball, he’s an accomplished swimmer and soccer player.
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So I'm guessing he was better than parga. But Carlos Morris?
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So I'm guessing he was better than parga. But Carlos Morris?
Good fall back position for Morris or enticement for his roomie, Sanchez?
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So I'm guessing he was better than parga. But Carlos Morris?
Good fall back position for Morris or enticement for his roomie, Sanchez?
The more I try to anticipate the more confusing the recruiting merry go round becomes. So I'm on cruise control now and just going to enjoy the ride
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http://www.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=1323851 (http://www.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=1323851)
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Haven't a few posters gone to see Monroe play this year? Moose didn't you go to see Sanchez?
What did Bourgault look like in person?
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Haven't a few posters gone to see Monroe play this year? Moose didn't you go to see Sanchez?
What did Bourgault look like in person?
I didn't get a chance but Theo did.
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http://www.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=1323851 (http://www.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=1323851)
Like the Eric Hayes comparison
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Lavin being worldly. Mary Loves Paris. There are a ton of great french restaurants in NY and easy flights to paris and we have a campus in paris.
Hmmm
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:)
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this team
Nicolas Batum
Rodrigue Beaubois
Boris Diaw
Ian Mahinmi
Tony Parker
Johan Petro
Mickael Pietrus
Kevin Seraphin
Ronny Turiaf
would win quite a few NCAA games
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Bourgault Marc-Antoine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG52J1m9fr8#)
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Nice stroke on his jumper. Looks like a pure shooter.
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I know clips are meant to only show highlights of players, but he reminded me of the guy on St. Mary's, who torched us last year with those wide open bombs. Marco does seem to have more ball skills than that guy.
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Do you think STJ is trying to land Morris and Bourgault? Or is the scholarship going to go to whomever signs first?
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Do you think STJ is trying to land Morris and Bourgault? Or is the scholarship going to go to whomever signs first?
Good question
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We could take both. We were woefully short this year and we could be losing Moe. There still won't be overcrowding. Can't have too many shooters.
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Based on what I read, I thought Maryland was almost a lock to get Bourgault. Did Bourgault indicate that SJU is a possible school for him?
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We could take both. We were woefully short this year and we could be losing Moe. There still won't be overcrowding. Can't have too many shooters.
Do not think we take both, it's one or the other
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We could take both. We were woefully short this year and we could be losing Moe. There still won't be overcrowding. Can't have too many shooters.
Do not think we take both, it's one or the other
Agree. Just saying it certainly is possible if staff feels strongly enough about them. Certainly up to the staff to figure out which one they like better. Both apparently good players.
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Sign him up-he never misses a shot (highlights) and he is already used to playing in empty arenas.
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Dangelo has to slowly but surely begin to transform his game into more of a lead guard role for the next level. Because if we where to have him on the ball with Morris and bourgalt on the wings defenses would have to pick their poisin.
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Based on what I read, I thought Maryland was almost a lock to get Bourgault. Did Bourgault indicate that SJU is a possible school for him?
Package deal to Maryland perhaps. Marco and Sanchez have same trainer/advisor, interestingly the same as Ice Asortse
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Based on what I read, I thought Maryland was almost a lock to get Bourgault. Did Bourgault indicate that SJU is a possible school for him?
Package deal to Maryland perhaps. Marco and Sanchez have same trainer/advisor, interestingly the same as Ice Asortse
Also understand that Bourgault and Alex Len are good friends, and that Bourgault trains at Maryland's facility in the offseason. Heck, I put nothing past Lavin and his ability to recruit anyone, just didn't know if we have a legit shot at getting Bourgault if Maryland wants him too.
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Based on what I read, I thought Maryland was almost a lock to get Bourgault. Did Bourgault indicate that SJU is a possible school for him?
Package deal to Maryland perhaps. Marco and Sanchez have same trainer/advisor, interestingly the same as Ice Asortse
Also understand that Bourgault and Alex Len are good friends, and that Bourgault trains at Maryland's facility in the offseason. Heck, I put nothing past Lavin and his ability to recruit anyone, just didn't know if we have a legit shot at getting Bourgault if Maryland wants him too.
The Maryland article was from January, no?
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Based on what I read, I thought Maryland was almost a lock to get Bourgault. Did Bourgault indicate that SJU is a possible school for him?
Package deal to Maryland perhaps. Marco and Sanchez have same trainer/advisor, interestingly the same as Ice Asortse
Also understand that Bourgault and Alex Len are good friends, and that Bourgault trains at Maryland's facility in the offseason. Heck, I put nothing past Lavin and his ability to recruit anyone, just didn't know if we have a legit shot at getting Bourgault if Maryland wants him too.
The Maryland article was from January, no?
Yeah it was, and he says his dream school was Maryland but only the little schools have bit at him. The article said Maryland likes him but never said they were pursuing him. We're the first big school to get involved with him. Seems lav is aiming at a plethora of undervalued talent this year. However his first get in Felix I think was excellent.
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Based on what I read, I thought Maryland was almost a lock to get Bourgault. Did Bourgault indicate that SJU is a possible school for him?
Package deal to Maryland perhaps. Marco and Sanchez have same trainer/advisor, interestingly the same as Ice Asortse
Also understand that Bourgault and Alex Len are good friends, and that Bourgault trains at Maryland's facility in the offseason. Heck, I put nothing past Lavin and his ability to recruit anyone, just didn't know if we have a legit shot at getting Bourgault if Maryland wants him too.
The Maryland article was from January, no?
Yeah it was, and he says his dream school was Maryland but only the little schools have bit at him. The article said Maryland likes him but never said they were pursuing him. We're the first big school to get involved with him. Seems lav is aiming at a plethora of undervalued talent this year. However his first get in Felix I think was excellent.
Confirmed/Agreed with the above. My point was that if Maryland wants him, our chances appear slim, but I wasn't sure if Maryland made an offer.
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Based on what I read, I thought Maryland was almost a lock to get Bourgault. Did Bourgault indicate that SJU is a possible school for him?
Package deal to Maryland perhaps. Marco and Sanchez have same trainer/advisor, interestingly the same as Ice Asortse
Also understand that Bourgault and Alex Len are good friends, and that Bourgault trains at Maryland's facility in the offseason. Heck, I put nothing past Lavin and his ability to recruit anyone, just didn't know if we have a legit shot at getting Bourgault if Maryland wants him too.
The Maryland article was from January, no?
Yeah it was, and he says his dream school was Maryland but only the little schools have bit at him. The article said Maryland likes him but never said they were pursuing him. We're the first big school to get involved with him. Seems lav is aiming at a plethora of undervalued talent this year. However his first get in Felix I think was excellent.
Confirmed/Agreed with the above. My point was that if Maryland wants him, our chances appear slim, but I wasn't sure if Maryland made an offer.
If that article was from January and they still haven't got him, then fair game.
Purist can speak better but I think they are wrapped up for '12. Holding for '13 with the Harrison twins.
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http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2012/3/20/2888102/recruiting-update-getting-to-know-marco-bourgault#storyjump (http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2012/3/20/2888102/recruiting-update-getting-to-know-marco-bourgault#storyjump)
Interesting tidbits.
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I figure I would move Marco's recruiting site up to the front, as he is one of our top six recruits being sought. There has not been any action on Marco in about a month. I guess we are all waiting until Marco and his team mate return from OR, along with Chris.
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I figure I would move Marco's recruiting site up to the front, as he is one of our top six recruits being sought. There has not been any action on Marco in about a month. I guess we are all waiting until Marco and his team mate return from OR, along with Chris.
Marco and Sanchez didn't go to Oregon
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So I guess we may know which way they are headed, college-wise, by next week this time.
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So I guess we may know which way they are headed, college-wise, by next week this time.
Just to clarify they were never going to Oregon, only Obekpa was visiting there. You might have mixed that up.
That being said STJ is the last visit for Marco and Orlando so soon after that we should hear.
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Who else is recruiting Marco?
Outside of depth, I'm trying to understand how much value he can actually add to this club.
His numbers are pedestrian, at best.
I don't think everyone needs to be an all star, but he doesn't really impress me.
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Who else is recruiting Marco?
Outside of depth, I'm trying to understand how much value he can actually add to this club.
His numbers are pedestrian, at best.
I don't think everyone needs to be an all star, but he doesn't really impress me.
Thats what should impress you most. On a great Monroe team he was 5th option. Behind Orlando, 2 guards who never met a shot they didn't like. And a low post threat in Ndour. He won't come in here expecting minutes like a Morris would or expect to be the main like he was in HS like a Hall. Plus its a 2 year risk. (I know he might have a 3rd year but no guarantee on his end or ours for that). Maryland was hot after him.
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This is why I have a hard time believing he'd come to St Johns. Minutes are not guaranteed and with Branch and Felix already on board, it's slim to none he gets off the bench. With 2 years left in his college eligibility, would he want to be a cheerleader?
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This is why I have a hard time believing he'd come to St Johns. Minutes are not guaranteed and with Branch and Felix already on board, it's slim to none he gets off the bench. With 2 years left in his college eligibility, would he want to be a cheerleader?
He would play ahead of Felix from the start, not saying that he would keep the spot in the rotation. The kid can shoot which is what we need.
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This is why I have a hard time believing he'd come to St Johns. Minutes are not guaranteed and with Branch and Felix already on board, it's slim to none he gets off the bench. With 2 years left in his college eligibility, would he want to be a cheerleader?
+1
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This is why I have a hard time believing he'd come to St Johns. Minutes are not guaranteed and with Branch and Felix already on board, it's slim to none he gets off the bench. With 2 years left in his college eligibility, would he want to be a cheerleader?
Maybe he can dress in Steve Novak's locker
Everyone says we can't have a team of all studs. Well here is a role player. Now people don't want him?
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This is why I have a hard time believing he'd come to St Johns. Minutes are not guaranteed and with Branch and Felix already on board, it's slim to none he gets off the bench. With 2 years left in his college eligibility, would he want to be a cheerleader?
He would play ahead of Felix from the start, not saying that he would keep the spot in the rotation. The kid can shoot which is what we need.
Plus rebound a bit, pass and play smart.
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This is why I have a hard time believing he'd come to St Johns. Minutes are not guaranteed and with Branch and Felix already on board, it's slim to none he gets off the bench. With 2 years left in his college eligibility, would he want to be a cheerleader?
Maybe he can dress in Steve Novak's locker
Everyone says we can't have a team of all studs. Well here is a role player. Now people don't want him?
I hear you, and I have stated that we can't have a team full of all stars. I guess I am cautious about how much production we will get out of him.
I dig the fact that he is a shooter, but how many points will he score. The guy is not exactly lighting it up at Monroe.
With only two years of eligibility, I won't be mad about him joining, just cautious.
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This is why I have a hard time believing he'd come to St Johns. Minutes are not guaranteed and with Branch and Felix already on board, it's slim to none he gets off the bench. With 2 years left in his college eligibility, would he want to be a cheerleader?
Maybe he can dress in Steve Novak's locker
Everyone says we can't have a team of all studs. Well here is a role player. Now people don't want him?
I hear you, and I have stated that we can't have a team full of all stars. I guess I am cautious about how much production we will get out of him.
I dig the fact that he is a shooter, but how many points will he score. The guy is not exactly lighting it up at Monroe.
With only two years of eligibility, I won't be mad about him joining, just cautious.
Part of the puzzle, not the solution!
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Who else is recruiting Marco?
Outside of depth, I'm trying to understand how much value he can actually add to this club.
His numbers are pedestrian, at best.
I don't think everyone needs to be an all star, but he doesn't really impress me.
Thats what should impress you most. On a great Monroe team he was 5th option. Behind Orlando, 2 guards who never met a shot they didn't like. And a low post threat in Ndour. He won't come in here expecting minutes like a Morris would or expect to be the main like he was in HS like a Hall. Plus its a 2 year risk. (I know he might have a 3rd year but no guarantee on his end or ours for that). Maryland was hot after him.
I thought the story was he was close friends with the big kid Alex over at Maryland and worked out there in the summer also had said it was his dream school but they never offered. The article I remember reading was they loved him as a kid but not so much as a possible recruit.
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But for the record I'm all on board for him, he's 6'6 and steady. Nice stroke and can provide ball handling in certain stints and good passer.
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Who else is recruiting Marco?
Outside of depth, I'm trying to understand how much value he can actually add to this club.
His numbers are pedestrian, at best.
I don't think everyone needs to be an all star, but he doesn't really impress me.
Thats what should impress you most. On a great Monroe team he was 5th option. Behind Orlando, 2 guards who never met a shot they didn't like. And a low post threat in Ndour. He won't come in here expecting minutes like a Morris would or expect to be the main like he was in HS like a Hall. Plus its a 2 year risk. (I know he might have a 3rd year but no guarantee on his end or ours for that). Maryland was hot after him.
I thought the story was he was close friends with the big kid Alex over at Maryland and worked out there in the summer also had said it was his dream school but they never offered. The article I remember reading was they loved him as a kid but not so much as a possible recruit.
Yes he was close with Len. I don't know about dream school but he was definitely interested, and they were as well. But Turgeon was in similar position to Lav where he had tons of ships and more needs so went in another direction with his class.
Lets not kid ourselves either it might be a ticket to Orlando. Lav has shown a willingness to play nice with package deals. Granted none have worked so far.
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Who else is recruiting Marco?
Outside of depth, I'm trying to understand how much value he can actually add to this club.
His numbers are pedestrian, at best.
I don't think everyone needs to be an all star, but he doesn't really impress me.
Thats what should impress you most. On a great Monroe team he was 5th option. Behind Orlando, 2 guards who never met a shot they didn't like. And a low post threat in Ndour. He won't come in here expecting minutes like a Morris would or expect to be the main like he was in HS like a Hall. Plus its a 2 year risk. (I know he might have a 3rd year but no guarantee on his end or ours for that). Maryland was hot after him.
I thought the story was he was close friends with the big kid Alex over at Maryland and worked out there in the summer also had said it was his dream school but they never offered. The article I remember reading was they loved him as a kid but not so much as a possible recruit.
Yes he was close with Len. I don't know about dream school but he was definitely interested, and they were as well. But Turgeon was in similar position to Lav where he had tons of ships and more needs so went in another direction with his class.
Lets not kid ourselves either it might be a ticket to Orlando. Lav has shown a willingness to play nice with package deals. Granted none have worked so far.
Glad you mentioned that, seems anytime I accuse or suppose Lav uses some bait to get a big fish I'm delusional.
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This kid just knows how to fit in. The two games i witnessed showed me that he would be extremely beneficial in breaking down a zone, both with his shooting and with his passing which was really good. Kid never held on to the ball for longer than 2 seconds when it wasnt warranted.
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Update on weekend visit w his buddy, Sanchez
“@AdamZagoria: Johnnies Hosting Key Visitors This Weekend http://t.co/i5cD4VGy (http://t.co/i5cD4VGy) #stjbb”
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Update on weekend visit w his buddy, Sanchez
“@AdamZagoria: Johnnies Hosting Key Visitors This Weekend http://t.co/i5cD4VGy (http://t.co/i5cD4VGy) #stjbb”
this could be bad if both bourgault and balamou commit and both sanchez and obekpa go elsewhere
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Update on weekend visit w his buddy, Sanchez
“@AdamZagoria: Johnnies Hosting Key Visitors This Weekend http://t.co/i5cD4VGy (http://t.co/i5cD4VGy) #stjbb”
this could be bad if both bourgault and balamou commit and both sanchez and obekpa go elsewhere
Dont see that happening in regards to Sanchez. I don't think we land Obekpa.
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Update on weekend visit w his buddy, Sanchez
“@AdamZagoria: Johnnies Hosting Key Visitors This Weekend http://t.co/i5cD4VGy (http://t.co/i5cD4VGy) #stjbb”
this could be bad if both bourgault and balamou commit and both sanchez and obekpa go elsewhere
I'd say.
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Update on weekend visit w his buddy, Sanchez
“@AdamZagoria: Johnnies Hosting Key Visitors This Weekend http://t.co/i5cD4VGy (http://t.co/i5cD4VGy) #stjbb”
this could be bad if both bourgault and balamou commit and both sanchez and obekpa go elsewhere
Dont see that happening in regards to Sanchez. I don't think we land Obekpa.
Right on the money! Wild card is Chandler.
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Update on weekend visit w his buddy, Sanchez
“@AdamZagoria: Johnnies Hosting Key Visitors This Weekend http://t.co/i5cD4VGy (http://t.co/i5cD4VGy) #stjbb”
this could be bad if both bourgault and balamou commit and both sanchez and obekpa go elsewhere
Dont see that happening in regards to Sanchez. I don't think we land Obekpa.
Right on the money! Wild card is Chandler.
To be completely honest, I am not sure that the staff likes Obekpa as much as Chandler anyway, not getting around the grades issue with the NCAA. Not trying to sugar coat this but Chandler is a far more well rounded post player than Obekpa on the first day they would be freshman on a college campus.
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Update on weekend visit w his buddy, Sanchez
“@AdamZagoria: Johnnies Hosting Key Visitors This Weekend http://t.co/i5cD4VGy (http://t.co/i5cD4VGy) #stjbb”
this could be bad if both bourgault and balamou commit and both sanchez and obekpa go elsewhere
Dont see that happening in regards to Sanchez. I don't think we land Obekpa.
Right on the money! Wild card is Chandler.
To be completely honest, I am not sure that the staff likes Obekpa as much as Chandler anyway, not getting around the grades issue with the NCAA. Not trying to sugar coat this but Chandler is a far more well rounded post player than Obekpa on the first day they would be freshman on a college campus.
+1
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Who else is recruiting Marco?
Outside of depth, I'm trying to understand how much value he can actually add to this club.
His numbers are pedestrian, at best.
I don't think everyone needs to be an all star, but he doesn't really impress me.
Per Zagsblog: Bourgault averaged 10.9 points and shot 42 percent from beyond the arc (81-for-192) at Monroe.
I would take thos numbers. If he came anywhere close to scoring 10 pts. on 42% from the 3pt line, he would be a fantastic add.
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Looks like Sergio Luyk
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Update on weekend visit w his buddy, Sanchez
“@AdamZagoria: Johnnies Hosting Key Visitors This Weekend http://t.co/i5cD4VGy (http://t.co/i5cD4VGy) #stjbb”
this could be bad if both bourgault and balamou commit and both sanchez and obekpa go elsewhere
Dont see that happening in regards to Sanchez. I don't think we land Obekpa.
Right on the money! Wild card is Chandler.
To be completely honest, I am not sure that the staff likes Obekpa as much as Chandler anyway, not getting around the grades issue with the NCAA. Not trying to sugar coat this but Chandler is a far more well rounded post player than Obekpa on the first day they would be freshman on a college campus.
+1
If he's eligible I want Chandler playing Center for us over all other possible options.
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Update on weekend visit w his buddy, Sanchez
“@AdamZagoria: Johnnies Hosting Key Visitors This Weekend http://t.co/i5cD4VGy (http://t.co/i5cD4VGy) #stjbb”
this could be bad if both bourgault and balamou commit and both sanchez and obekpa go elsewhere
Dont see that happening in regards to Sanchez. I don't think we land Obekpa.
Right on the money! Wild card is Chandler.
To be completely honest, I am not sure that the staff likes Obekpa as much as Chandler anyway, not getting around the grades issue with the NCAA. Not trying to sugar coat this but Chandler is a far more well rounded post player than Obekpa on the first day they would be freshman on a college campus.
+1
If he's eligible I want Chandler playing Center for us over all other possible options.
And has his head screwed on proper.
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This is why I have a hard time believing he'd come to St Johns. Minutes are not guaranteed and with Branch and Felix already on board, it's slim to none he gets off the bench. With 2 years left in his college eligibility, would he want to be a cheerleader?
+1
Shooters seem to always find the floor. We have no shooters besides Harrison, and Marco spoke about that. He knows he could be that spot-up shooter we need and he seems to be very good in other areas. He's seems like he has the kind of game that would do better at higher levels.
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This is why I have a hard time believing he'd come to St Johns. Minutes are not guaranteed and with Branch and Felix already on board, it's slim to none he gets off the bench. With 2 years left in his college eligibility, would he want to be a cheerleader?
+1
Shooters seem to always find the floor. We have no shooters besides Harrison, and Marco spoke about that. He knows he could be that spot-up shooter we need and he seems to be very good in other areas. He's seems like he has the kind of game that would do better at higher levels.
Unless he doesn't want to be just a spot up shooter. Which could mean he goes the mid major level
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This is why I have a hard time believing he'd come to St Johns. Minutes are not guaranteed and with Branch and Felix already on board, it's slim to none he gets off the bench. With 2 years left in his college eligibility, would he want to be a cheerleader?
+1
Shooters seem to always find the floor. We have no shooters besides Harrison, and Marco spoke about that. He knows he could be that spot-up shooter we need and he seems to be very good in other areas. He's seems like he has the kind of game that would do better at higher levels.
Unless he doesn't want to be just a spot up shooter. Which could mean he goes the mid major level
Agreed. I think the only way we don't get Bourgault this weekend is if he feels he won't play major minutes, AND he wants to go somewhere where he will get 15+ minutes ala Louisiana Tech, whatever that is.
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Update on weekend visit w his buddy, Sanchez
“@AdamZagoria: Johnnies Hosting Key Visitors This Weekend http://t.co/i5cD4VGy (http://t.co/i5cD4VGy) #stjbb”
this could be bad if both bourgault and balamou commit and both sanchez and obekpa go elsewhere
Dont see that happening in regards to Sanchez. I don't think we land Obekpa.
Right on the money! Wild card is Chandler.
To be completely honest, I am not sure that the staff likes Obekpa as much as Chandler anyway, not getting around the grades issue with the NCAA. Not trying to sugar coat this but Chandler is a far more well rounded post player than Obekpa on the first day they would be freshman on a college campus.
+1
If he's eligible I want Chandler playing Center for us over all other possible options.
And has his head screwed on proper.
Also true.
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This is why I have a hard time believing he'd come to St Johns. Minutes are not guaranteed and with Branch and Felix already on board, it's slim to none he gets off the bench. With 2 years left in his college eligibility, would he want to be a cheerleader?
+1
Shooters seem to always find the floor. We have no shooters besides Harrison, and Marco spoke about that. He knows he could be that spot-up shooter we need and he seems to be very good in other areas. He's seems like he has the kind of game that would do better at higher levels.
Unless he doesn't want to be just a spot up shooter. Which could mean he goes the mid major level
Agreed. I think the only way we don't get Bourgault this weekend is if he feels he won't play major minutes, AND he wants to go somewhere where he will get 15+ minutes ala Louisiana Tech, whatever that is.
That would be the school that sent Karl Malone to the NBA. Paul Milsap to the NBA. PJ Brown, Randy White, Mike Green, Magnum Rolle......Also 53 NFL players including Terry Bradshaw...
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Hey CR, should he also look at San Francisco and City College?
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Hey CR, should he also look at San Francisco and City College?
Sorry, D-1's rebounding champion in 2004, 2005 and 2006 and I don't get that reference. I guess it's over my head, and he's too busy getting 17 pts and 9 boards a game for the Jazz this season to really think about it.....
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I am thinking with San Francisco he is referring to K.C. Jones, Bill Russell, Bill Cartwright and Quentin Daily,
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I am thinking with San Francisco he is referring to K.C. Jones, Bill Russell, Bill Cartwright and Quentin Daily,
All that I'm saying is that I'm not afraid of Pepperdine anymore than I'm afraid of the 1989 Oakland A's, the 1992 UNLV Runnin Rebels or the 1986 Edmonton Oilers.
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Even if Marco B hits one or two timely shots per game he can be a big help off the bench.
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Even if Marco B hits one or two timely shots per game he can be a big help off the bench.
Exactly. Give me two 3's a game and I'm ecstatic.
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Committed to St.John's!
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Just committed, would of rather had Hooper but hopefully this gets Sanchez on board. Welcome to the team Marco!
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Just committed, would of rather had Hooper but hopefully this gets Sanchez on board. Welcome to the team Marco!
I've been told Marco doesn't necessarily exclude Hooper from coming.
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Welcome aboard Marco!
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Just committed, would of rather had Hooper but hopefully this gets Sanchez on board. Welcome to the team Marco!
I've been told Marco doesn't necessarily exclude Hooper from coming.
I believe that. Gotta get Sanchez now
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Nice, IMO that we got Sanchez. I don't think Lavin takes this kid unles it was a package deal.
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Nice, IMO that we got Sanchez. I don't think Lavin takes this kid unles it was a package deal.
We Got Sanchez too!!!!!
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hope his shooting is as good as it's being said, hopefully will provide spark off the bench
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Finally the little fish helped get the big fish. But what about Darrick and Carlos?
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welcome aboard marco! wish you lots of luck and success with the Redmen!
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Just committed, would of rather had Hooper but hopefully this gets Sanchez on board. Welcome to the team Marco!
I've been told Marco doesn't necessarily exclude Hooper from coming.
Would Hooper be 2nd semester this year or would he have to be fall 2013?
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Just committed, would of rather had Hooper but hopefully this gets Sanchez on board. Welcome to the team Marco!
I've been told Marco doesn't necessarily exclude Hooper from coming.
Would Hooper be 2nd semester this year or would he have to be fall 2013?
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Welcome aboard Marco!!
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Bonjour Marco. Looking forward to that outside shot at 40%+.
Does anyone know if Marco will be the first Redmen from France?
Does this mean Marco Baldi changes his screen name to Marco B?
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Welcome Marco. Come join the party.
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welcome marco
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Bourgault Marc-Antoine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG52J1m9fr8#)
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Marc-antoine Bourgault Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B85YpO6QhXs#)
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Welcome
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“@AdamZagoria: You know how you know no one cares about college basketball in NYC? St. John's has gotten 3 commits in the last 2 ... http://t.co/kVwpNF4n (http://t.co/kVwpNF4n)”
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“@AdamZagoria: You know how you know no one cares about college basketball in NYC? St. John's has gotten 3 commits in the last 2 ... http://t.co/kVwpNF4n (http://t.co/kVwpNF4n)”
Sad but true, but if any of the three recruits were listed in the ESPN top 100, I think it would have been picked up by the local press.
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yea went through the papers today after reading that quote and I found so many articles about Kim K. NY loves their Gossip. They don't talk about Moe Harkless at all or DJ being called up geez gives us something! Oh Yea Ron Ron!
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“@AdamZagoria: You know how you know no one cares about college basketball in NYC? St. John's has gotten 3 commits in the last 2 ... http://t.co/kVwpNF4n (http://t.co/kVwpNF4n)”
First of all these are verbals- not signings
I expect a little press when SJU announces them formally.
And lets get real- Kentucky & NC live & die for their college Basketball.
The press properly is concentrating on Hockey, Knicks, Yanks & (Mets?)
I'm happy with the press we get the weeks before & during the season
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The Rangers, Knicks and Yankees are news now. And I suppose technically the Mets are still considered professionals. It's our off season, but I agree, I'd like to see something in actual ink.
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No stories because no local recruits
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I hear there will be a report later in the week in the Post. we will see.
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I hear there will be a report later in the week in the Post. we will see.
i would imagine we'd get some pub once all the recruits are signed. all we have our verbals, that doesn't allow for the school to comment on. So it makes sense we don't have any pub. Plus in order to get into the news, it's usually triggered by a press release from the school. everything is still very fluid right now. too many variables. turner, chandler, goodman, nolan... we'll get our press once lavin decides.
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I hear there will be a report later in the week in the Post. we will see.
i would imagine we'd get some pub once all the recruits are signed. all we have our verbals, that doesn't allow for the school to comment on. So it makes sense we don't have any pub. Plus in order to get into the news, it's usually triggered by a press release from the school. everything is still very fluid right now. too many variables. turner, chandler, goodman, nolan... we'll get our press once lavin decides.
+1
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I hear there will be a report later in the week in the Post. we will see.
i would imagine we'd get some pub once all the recruits are signed. all we have our verbals, that doesn't allow for the school to comment on. So it makes sense we don't have any pub. Plus in order to get into the news, it's usually triggered by a press release from the school. everything is still very fluid right now. too many variables. turner, chandler, goodman, nolan... we'll get our press once lavin decides.
Sampson's verbal was reported on by the local newspapers, and I believe most, if not all, of the verbals from the 2011 class were reported on well before they signed commitments. Accordingly, the press did not find the verbals from our last three recruits as newsworthy as some of our past verbals.
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No stories because no local recruits
When Sampson committed for the second time there were articles and he is no local:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-recruit-jakarr-sampson-literally-big-pickup-red-storm-article-1.1039453 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-recruit-jakarr-sampson-literally-big-pickup-red-storm-article-1.1039453)
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/impact_forward_sampson_recommitts_btMEsbNrM9G5KohD2iiQfL (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/impact_forward_sampson_recommitts_btMEsbNrM9G5KohD2iiQfL)
But when we outrecruit Oakland for Hooper and Louisiana Tech, Penn State and St. Louis for Bourgault perhaps the reporters don´t give too much consideration for these news.
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Ris is absolutely right.
The recruits who have verbal-ed so far aren't on par with Jakarr. We beat out Kansas and other Big East programs to sign him.
The press don't know who Hooper and Bourgault are. And, depending who you listen to, Sanchez may still be thinking things over with his people.
Were getting visits from 4 or 5 top 100 type recruits, Nolan, Wood, Turner, and Goodman, and we'll hear about Chandler sooner or later. So I'm sure there will be press coverage when the staff is ready to announce things.
Plus, there's Obekpa. Although it appears we'll be an after-mention, in that article.
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No stories because no local recruits
Last I checked Monroe College plays its games in that beautiful city of New Ro. A mere 20 minutes from STJ.
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No stories because no local recruits
Last I checked Monroe College plays its games in that beautiful city of New Ro. A mere 20 minutes from STJ.
Other than message board heroes, nobody has ever heard of these 2. One from France, the other from DR.
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No stories because no local recruits
Last I checked Monroe College plays its games in that beautiful city of New Ro. A mere 20 minutes from STJ.
Other than message board heroes, nobody has ever heard of these 2. One from France, the other from DR.
NYC is a melting pot. Publicize it. Remember how you want NY players because Brian Bernardi and Daniel Dingle would have packed MSG. Maybe French and Domincan's will come now :)
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No stories because no local recruits
Last I checked Monroe College plays its games in that beautiful city of New Ro. A mere 20 minutes from STJ.
Other than message board heroes, nobody has ever heard of these 2. One from France, the other from DR.
NYC is a melting pot. Publicize it. Remember how you want NY players because Brian Bernardi and Daniel Dingle would have packed MSG. Maybe French and Domincan's will come now :)
Felipe had a DR following.
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Ris is absolutely right.
The recruits who have verbal-ed so far aren't on par with Jakarr. We beat out Kansas and other Big East programs to sign him.
The press don't know who Hooper and Bourgault are. And, depending who you listen to, Sanchez may still be thinking things over with his people.
Were getting visits from 4 or 5 top 100 type recruits, Nolan, Wood, Turner, and Goodman, and we'll hear about Chandler sooner or later. So I'm sure there will be press coverage when the staff is ready to announce things.
Plus, there's Obekpa. Although it appears we'll be an after-mention, in that article.
I get the feeling that Orlando is going to be a lot better than people are assuming. He has amazing athleiticism for 6'9" and wasn't utilized for all his talents at Monroe. I think he will be a legit threat in the frontcourt. He has elite athleticism and can dribble and shoot as well as board.
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Theo, who watches a lot of bball, in earlier posts said Sanchez has nba talent. Never seen him play so can't comment but some think he is that good. I would be happy if he is a JB2 talent.
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Ris is absolutely right.
The recruits who have verbal-ed so far aren't on par with Jakarr. We beat out Kansas and other Big East programs to sign him.
The press don't know who Hooper and Bourgault are. And, depending who you listen to, Sanchez may still be thinking things over with his people.
Were getting visits from 4 or 5 top 100 type recruits, Nolan, Wood, Turner, and Goodman, and we'll hear about Chandler sooner or later. So I'm sure there will be press coverage when the staff is ready to announce things.
Plus, there's Obekpa. Although it appears we'll be an after-mention, in that article.
I get the feeling that Orlando is going to be a lot better than people are assuming. He has amazing athleiticism for 6'9" and wasn't utilized for all his talents at Monroe. I think he will be a legit threat in the frontcourt. He has elite athleticism and can dribble and shoot as well as board.
Agree Marcus! He played on a team with two guards who never gave it up, limiting his touches. Very well rounded player, who will have a nice impact right away IMO.
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Ris is absolutely right.
The recruits who have verbal-ed so far aren't on par with Jakarr. We beat out Kansas and other Big East programs to sign him.
The press don't know who Hooper and Bourgault are. And, depending who you listen to, Sanchez may still be thinking things over with his people.
Were getting visits from 4 or 5 top 100 type recruits, Nolan, Wood, Turner, and Goodman, and we'll hear about Chandler sooner or later. So I'm sure there will be press coverage when the staff is ready to announce things.
Plus, there's Obekpa. Although it appears we'll be an after-mention, in that article.
I get the feeling that Orlando is going to be a lot better than people are assuming. He has amazing athleiticism for 6'9" and wasn't utilized for all his talents at Monroe. I think he will be a legit threat in the frontcourt. He has elite athleticism and can dribble and shoot as well as board.
Toatally agree with your assessment MCN.
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If you'd really like to know why the NYDN and the NYP didn't cover this why not send a Twitter message to one of their journalists?
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. Never seen him play so can't comment but some think he is that good. I would be happTheo, who watches a lot of bball, in earlier posts said Sanchez has nba talenty if he is a JB2 talent.
Theo wasn't the one last year saying Nuri was NBA-ready, was he? :)
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. Never seen him play so can't comment but some think he is that good. I would be happTheo, who watches a lot of bball, in earlier posts said Sanchez has nba talenty if he is a JB2 talent.
Theo wasn't the one last year saying Nuri was NBA-ready, was he? :)
Nuri was a ballhog and a quitter. Makes him NBA ready in my book. ;D
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. Never seen him play so can't comment but some think he is that good. I would be happTheo, who watches a lot of bball, in earlier posts said Sanchez has nba talenty if he is a JB2 talent.
Theo wasn't the one last year saying Nuri was NBA-ready, was he? :)
To be fair, a number of people on the board were saying that. But so was Chad Ford from ESPN.
Ford is no Mel Kiper of basketball, that's for sure. If ESPN devoted half the resources to the nba draft that they do the the nfl draft, they would've laughed about even mentioning Nuri as a prospect for the league.
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And Marco checks in at no. 49 in Brad Winton's top 100 JUCO's:
http://www.jucorecruiting.com/?page_id=434 (http://www.jucorecruiting.com/?page_id=434)
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I hope we keep an eye on their other big guy next year who was a freshman this year. I liked him a lot in the playoff games
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I hope we keep an eye on their other big guy next year who was a freshman this year. I liked him a lot in the playoff games
+1!
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I hope we keep an eye on their other big guy next year who was a freshman this year. I liked him a lot in the playoff games
From every photo and video I've seen it looks like Sanchez clearly has an inch on him, and Sanchez is said to only be 6'8 3/4. I would like to think that we would only be looking at legit top players for the next two years with the core in place: Lawrence, McCullough, etc.
I can't imagine he'd be good enough to play over more experienced guys like Pointer, Garret, Sampson, Sanchez, Bourgault, and (possibly) Obekpa and/or Chandler.
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I hope we keep an eye on their other big guy next year who was a freshman this year. I liked him a lot in the playoff games
From every photo and video I've seen it looks like Sanchez clearly has an inch on him, and Sanchez is said to only be 6'8 3/4. I would like to think that we would only be looking at legit top players for the next two years with the core in place: Lawrence, McCullough, etc.
I can't imagine he'd be good enough to play over more experienced guys like Pointer, Garret, Sampson, Sanchez, Bourgault, and (possibly) Obekpa and/or Chandler.
Nice problem to have. :)
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Just now?
“@Marco_Bourgault: I am CLEAR by the NCAA!!! Let's goooo”
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Just now?
“@Marco_Bourgault: I am CLEAR by the NCAA!!! Let's goooo”
Well, it's good news. But now I'm wondering who else is waiting.
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Just now?
“@Marco_Bourgault: I am CLEAR by the NCAA!!! Let's goooo”
Its clear if there was a legit worry he wouldnt be already in classes and such.
Much ado about nothing.
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Just now?
“@Marco_Bourgault: I am CLEAR by the NCAA!!! Let's goooo”
Its clear if there was a legit worry he wouldnt be already in classes and such.
Much ado about nothing.
Agree on the ado response, but was surprised he was waiting to hear.
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Wonder if it was due to history of foreign school, JUCO and the like? Bottom line, who cares? He's clear.
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Wonder if it was due to history of foreign school, JUCO and the like? Bottom line, who cares? He's clear.
I think we'd be a bit surprised at the number of players for whom there is a "late" clearance, even if there is no real investigation, no accusations of shortcomings or wrongdoing - just the logistics of issuing clearances of 5,300 Division-1 basketball players each pre-season....It's still a month and a half till practice starts...unless theres an announced problem being investigated, or an August international Exhibition tour the player needs to qualify for (ala Mohamad at UCLA), there would be no reason for the public to know WHEN a player actually receives their Clearinghouse approval.
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NCAA works at their own pace at their convenience. Counting all that money takes up a big chunk of their day
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I believe we fully expect all to qualify however Marco must have gotten official word yesterday. Let's nor forget that the NCAA has to work compliance for every sport at each of tyhe 3 levels. Lots of athletes to clear.
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I believe we fully expect all to qualify however Marco must have gotten official word yesterday. Let's nor forget that the NCAA has to work compliance for every sport at each of tyhe 3 levels. Lots of athletes to clear.
If it were a school that made the NCAA a lot of money, they'd move faster.
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I believe we fully expect all to qualify however Marco must have gotten official word yesterday. Let's nor forget that the NCAA has to work compliance for every sport at each of tyhe 3 levels. Lots of athletes to clear.
If it were a school that made the NCAA a lot of money, they'd move faster.
They moved incredibly quick getting Amir eligible in December.
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Probably a lot less work in december.
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Hope that includes shooting eye!
“@STJ_Basketball: RT @Marco_Bourgault: I am about to be in the BEST SHAPE, I ever been!! #stjbb”
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Hope that includes shooting eye!
“@STJ_Basketball: RT @Marco_Bourgault: I am about to be in the BEST SHAPE, I ever been!! #stjbb”
Is this a Rico-Reference? :)
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Hope that includes shooting eye!
“@STJ_Basketball: RT @Marco_Bourgault: I am about to be in the BEST SHAPE, I ever been!! #stjbb”
Is this a Rico-Reference? :)
Actually there ARE NON UCLA people at STJ :)
Could be the strength and conditioning coach.
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Hope that includes shooting eye!
“@STJ_Basketball: RT @Marco_Bourgault: I am about to be in the BEST SHAPE, I ever been!! #stjbb”
Is this a Rico-Reference? :)
Actually there ARE NON UCLA people at STJ :)
Could be the strength and conditioning coach.
Are there?
“@Kieran_Lynch: Darrick Martin spotted today on campus at St. John's wearing a #stjbb polo shirt, but only because @QSTJHoops pointed him out.”
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Hope that includes shooting eye!
“@STJ_Basketball: RT @Marco_Bourgault: I am about to be in the BEST SHAPE, I ever been!! #stjbb”
Is this a Rico-Reference? :)
Actually there ARE NON UCLA people at STJ :)
Could be the strength and conditioning coach.
Are there?
“@Kieran_Lynch: Darrick Martin spotted today on campus at St. John's wearing a #stjbb polo shirt, but only because @QSTJHoops pointed him out.”
Darrick started work at STJ earlier this week. As for why it hasn't been announced I'll let everyone panic about that :)
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Hope that includes shooting eye!
“@STJ_Basketball: RT @Marco_Bourgault: I am about to be in the BEST SHAPE, I ever been!! #stjbb”
Is this a Rico-Reference? :)
Actually there ARE NON UCLA people at STJ :)
Could be the strength and conditioning coach.
Are there?
“@Kieran_Lynch: Darrick Martin spotted today on campus at St. John's wearing a #stjbb polo shirt, but only because @QSTJHoops pointed him out.”
Darrick started work at STJ earlier this week. As for why it hasn't been announced I'll let everyone panic about that :)
Maybe NCAA hasn't cleared him.... ;-)
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this is hilarious:
St. Johns Problems @StJohnsPrblms
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Lets just say that there are going to be way more girls watching St. Johns basketball this year thanks to @Marco_Bourgault #stjohnsproblems
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this is hilarious:
St. Johns Problems @StJohnsPrblms
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Lets just say that there are going to be way more girls watching St. Johns basketball this year thanks to @Marco_Bourgault #stjohnsproblems
Haha
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Sergio Luyk part deux
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this is hilarious:
St. Johns Problems @StJohnsPrblms
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Lets just say that there are going to be way more girls watching St. Johns basketball this year thanks to @Marco_Bourgault #stjohnsproblems
He was a huge fan fave at Monroe. Whenever he touched the ball the fans screamed his name.
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http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/st-johns-red-storm-mens-basketball/2012/10/28/3560288/marco-bourgault-knee-injury-montana-steve-lavin-monroe (http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/st-johns-red-storm-mens-basketball/2012/10/28/3560288/marco-bourgault-knee-injury-montana-steve-lavin-monroe)
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Not really about Bourgault, but I love the photo of Balamou defending him from the scrimmage. Man, you just gotta love kids that are willing to get low and D-up. It's makes me very angry to see these guys out of a defensive stance just going through the motions.
On to Bourgault, I think he is our x-factor this year. He is the one guy that can put us over the edge. We need another shooter and I was impressed with his court presence, handle, and passing ability. He's also much more sturdy in the post than I figured he'd be.
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Not really about Bourgault, but I love the photo of Balamou defending him from the scrimmage. Man, you just gotta love kids that are willing to get low and D-up. It's makes me very angry to see these guys out of a defensive stance just going through the motions.
On to Bourgault, I think he is our x-factor this year. He is the one guy that can put us over the edge. We need another shooter and I was impressed with his court presence, handle, and passing ability. He's also much more sturdy in the post
than I figured he'd be.
He's definitely AN x-factor, but isn't THE x-factor the true PG we've been lacking since Erick Barkley?
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Not really about Bourgault, but I love the photo of Balamou defending him from the scrimmage. Man, you just gotta love kids that are willing to get low and D-up. It's makes me very angry to see these guys out of a defensive stance just going through the motions.
On to Bourgault, I think he is our x-factor this year. He is the one guy that can put us over the edge. We need another shooter and I was impressed with his court presence, handle, and passing ability. He's also much more sturdy in the post
than I figured he'd be.
He's definitely AN x-factor, but isn't THE x-factor the true PG we've been lacking since Erick Barkley?
D'Angelo Harrison and Phil Greene could step up if Branch proved to be at 10-15 mpg bust. If Marco can't get on the court, I don't see who our next shooter would be this year. I love this team--no knock to them at all--but we would be lying if we didn't acknowledge that we are a very below average shooting team after Harrison. It's not even just shooting, scoring will be a problem in the half court. Defensively this team can matchup with anyone and there will be a ton of points in transition, but there could be dry spells without a second proven shooter/scorer.
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Good point. The zone buster has eluded us since Bootsy.
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Marillac's spot-on. Excellent post.
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Not really about Bourgault, but I love the photo of Balamou defending him from the scrimmage. Man, you just gotta love kids that are willing to get low and D-up. It's makes me very angry to see these guys out of a defensive stance just going through the motions.
On to Bourgault, I think he is our x-factor this year. He is the one guy that can put us over the edge. We need another shooter and I was impressed with his court presence, handle, and passing ability. He's also much more sturdy in the post than I figured he'd be.
I mentioned this before, but Balamou is going to he a monster defender with some coaching. Kid has the fastest lateral speed I've seen in a while and has the right instincts. He changes direction incredibly fast and anticipates well. No doubt he didn't defend like he could at OSNA, but he has all the skills.
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If he has the skills, he will respond. As a junior Mo had rough time keeping guards in front of him. As senior progressed to where he was a big help vs Conn who had some nice, hard to contain guards on their team. Kids now will be coached to spot where help is needed and will adjust.
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Good point. The zone buster has eluded us since Bootsy.
So Hardy, Horne and DJ didn't bust any zones? I loved Bootsy but he was way more than just a Zone buster. Let's see what the new guys can do before we get on them. Penetration is another good thing and I think we're going to be OK in that category. It's all about players and we have a lot of them. That's the key to the year.
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Good point. The zone buster has eluded us since Bootsy.
So Hardy, Horne and DJ didn't bust any zones? I loved Bootsy but he was way more than just a Zone buster. Let's see what the new guys can do before we get on them. Penetration is another good thing and I think we're going to be OK in that category. It's all about players and we have a lot of them. That's the key to the year.
Not like Bootsy, no. Hardy was great senior year. DJ and Horne were not what I would call zone busters. They were both erratic shooters. If they could bust a zone, they would have.
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Good point. The zone buster has eluded us since Bootsy.
So Hardy, Horne and DJ didn't bust any zones? I loved Bootsy but he was way more than just a Zone buster. Let's see what the new guys can do before we get on them. Penetration is another good thing and I think we're going to be OK in that category. It's all about players and we have a lot of them. That's the key to the year.
Not like Bootsy, no. Hardy was great senior year. DJ and Horne were not what I would call zone busters. They were both erratic shooters. If they could bust a zone, they would have.
My experience is that fans are NEVER satisfied with their OWN teams shooters. Three point shooting SHOULD be a pretty fixed deal. You take x amount of shots from beyond the arc, you make a certain percentage - thats how good a shooter you are. You make 34 of 100, you're getting your team more points that if you made 50 of 100 from inside. Forty of 100 gets you f120 pts - the same as making 60 of 100 inside. 50 of 100 gets you the same as making 75 of 100 inside the arc. It's pretty easy stuff.
Fans always seem to look at OTHER teams players and say, why don't we have a shooter like that? But in the very rare occasion, you usually DO. You've got someon who's probably making the same percentage, or maybe had 3 or 4 that just ticked the rim for a miss. You remember those opponnents shots "always" going in (escpecially if you lost!) - while you tend to remember your guys shots missing - and MAYBE the occasional "big" shot that goes in.
On the Bruin boards, there has been a lament that NOT gettting a "zone" buster has been one of Ben Howland's biggest failures. He's a pound it inside guy, so good teams just zone him and he loses the big games. Bruins hadn't had a "zone buster" since Jason kapono.
Trouble is, when they went to the final Four in 2008, Darren Collison was hitting 53 of 101 three pointers for the year. The following year, Mike Roll (injured in 2008) hit 51-99. Back to back years with guys shooting FIFTY TWO percent from distance. Yet the perception was, no zone buster.
For us last year, D'lo hit 37% - as a freshman - and people are "disappointed". I'll take that all season long. If one or two of the newbies come close to that, we'll be just fine. Because th ats the same as hitting 55 1/2% from inside the arc. Folks WILL have to come out to guard them. Only this year, we have more than just Mo waiting to take advantage of the middle opening up. Chris. Orlando, Jakarr, Chrisitan.
As I said, we'd be fine if that's what we get. But I really think we do much better than that. Given this INTERIOR group we have this season, I think the perimeter shooting is gonna be fish in a barrel - opposition will have to pick their poison, and I think it will trying to protect the middle. I foresee more 3s this year, but I see far less FORCED 3s. I think we get them as a result of the offense succeeding, not desparation when it fails, as was the case quite often last year. And shots WITHIN the offense are better shots - and MORE of those tend to go in! I EXPECT we'll at least two 40+% 3 pt shooters, and at least 2 others above 35% at the end of the season.
Of course, thats part of my 40-0 overall prediction :)
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Just now?
“@Marco_Bourgault: I am CLEAR by the NCAA!!! Let's goooo”
marco said he was cleared on sep 10. so maybe it is just about classification right now. something is off here
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Not poisitive but I think on Sept 10th he was probably cleared academically, but now they're reviewing how many years he is eligible for.
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Not poisitive but I think on Sept 10th he was probably cleared academically, but now they're reviewing how many years he is eligible for.
Correct.
Marco is peculiar case. First off overseas player. 2nd he went to Montana but was never cleared because he was foreign and missing some requirements. 3rd went to prep school (and a sketchy one at that) in ND Prep. 4th went JUCO and missed a whole year with injury so only playing 1 of 2 years.
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With all that red tape he better have a shot as sweet as advertised.
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Not poisitive but I think on Sept 10th he was probably cleared academically, but now they're reviewing how many years he is eligible for.
Correct.
Marco is peculiar case. First off overseas player. 2nd he went to Montana but was never cleared because he was foreign and missing some requirements. 3rd went to prep school (and a sketchy one at that) in ND Prep. 4th went JUCO and missed a whole year with injury so only playing 1 of 2 years.
what's throwing me off is quotes like this from coach:
"With Marco and Orlando, we're waiting on a ruling regarding their eligibility and we expect to hear at some point in the next week or so"
Can you be "cleared by the ncaa" but not be "eligible"? Maybe it's just semantics but is seems fishy to me
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Not poisitive but I think on Sept 10th he was probably cleared academically, but now they're reviewing how many years he is eligible for.
Correct.
Marco is peculiar case. First off overseas player. 2nd he went to Montana but was never cleared because he was foreign and missing some requirements. 3rd went to prep school (and a sketchy one at that) in ND Prep. 4th went JUCO and missed a whole year with injury so only playing 1 of 2 years.
what's throwing me off is quotes like this from coach:
"With Marco and Orlando, we're waiting on a ruling regarding their eligibility and we expect to hear at some point in the next week or so"
Can you be "cleared by the ncaa" but not be "eligible"? Maybe it's just semantics but is seems fishy to me
Its how your reading the word eligibility. They were cleared. That's a fact. Otherwise they wouldnt be practicing, on the roster, in Midnight Madness, taking classes. Eligibility in this case means for how long can they play.
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Their both "eligible" its just how long they are "elible" for. I know what you mean though. Getting cleared once by the NCAA is enough of a wait. Twice really sucks.
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Thanks guys. I think I just need games to start and Jordan to commit. Then I'll stop nitpicking.
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So if it's just a matter of what year they are in and are eligible what difference does that make in terms of holding them out of the game saturday unless they had no eligibility left. In other words WTF.
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With all that red tape he better have a shot as sweet as advertised.
If you didn't see his shot at midnight madness, he really does. Kid has amazing stroke from outside. I think he is a big addition for us and a kid who can bust zones for sure.
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With all that red tape he better have a shot as sweet as advertised.
If you didn't see his shot at midnight madness, he really does. Kid has amazing stroke from outside. I think he is a big addition for us and a kid who can bust zones for sure.
What I love about our fans is he doesn't shoot like 40% from 3 they will all say he was overrated.
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With all that red tape he better have a shot as sweet as advertised.
If you didn't see his shot at midnight madness, he really does. Kid has amazing stroke from outside. I think he is a big addition for us and a kid who can bust zones for sure.
What I love about our fans is he doesn't shoot like 40% from 3 they will all say he was overrated.
Lol, true. I thought his shot looked fantastic though. Rainbows...
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Was just joking with my earlier comment. It just seems funny how much crap kids have to go through, even if their good students.
And I didn't get to see midnight madness, but I trust everyone's opinion on his shot. It will be real sweet next year when we add hooper as well. If DLo sticks around we will have 2 or 3 sharpshooters on the floor for most of the game.
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So if it's just a matter of what year they are in and are eligible what difference does that make in terms of holding them out of the game saturday unless they had no eligibility left. In other words WTF.
That's why this doesn't add up. The NCAA is evil, we know that, but if they are harassing us for another reason, something needs to be done about that. There have to be some unemployed mobsters out there.
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Not poisitive but I think on Sept 10th he was probably cleared academically, but now they're reviewing how many years he is eligible for.
Correct.
Marco is peculiar case. First off overseas player. 2nd he went to Montana but was never cleared because he was foreign and missing some requirements. 3rd went to prep school (and a sketchy one at that) in ND Prep. 4th went JUCO and missed a whole year with injury so only playing 1 of 2 years.
what's throwing me off is quotes like this from coach:
"With Marco and Orlando, we're waiting on a ruling regarding their eligibility and we expect to hear at some point in the next week or so"
Can you be "cleared by the ncaa" but not be "eligible"? Maybe it's just semantics but is seems fishy to me
They are both cleared academically from what I understand. The question is years left. It is possible that the NCAA can rule that they have no years left. That is just a guess on my part why the staff cannot let them play.
I know from doing my own kids NCAA clearinghouse process that there is a section on the website that says, cleared to play academically at Div 1 2 or 3 but there is a separate tab that says you are able to compete at a Div 1 2 or 3.
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Declared at junior hope to see him on the court soon
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Not poisitive but I think on Sept 10th he was probably cleared academically, but now they're reviewing how many years he is eligible for.
Correct.
Marco is peculiar case. First off overseas player. 2nd he went to Montana but was never cleared because he was foreign and missing some requirements. 3rd went to prep school (and a sketchy one at that) in ND Prep. 4th went JUCO and missed a whole year with injury so only playing 1 of 2 years.
what's throwing me off is quotes like this from coach:
"With Marco and Orlando, we're waiting on a ruling regarding their eligibility and we expect to hear at some point in the next week or so"
Can you be "cleared by the ncaa" but not be "eligible"? Maybe it's just semantics but is seems fishy to me
They are both cleared academically from what I understand. The question is years left. It is possible that the NCAA can rule that they have no years left. That is just a guess on my part why the staff cannot let them play.
I know from doing my own kids NCAA clearinghouse process that there is a section on the website that says, cleared to play academically at Div 1 2 or 3 but there is a separate tab that says you are able to compete at a Div 1 2 or 3.
Remember this tweet in September from Marco:
“@Marco_Bourgault: I am CLEAR by the NCAA!!! Let's goooo”
This is not academics with either.