6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: JohnnyJungle on March 31, 2015, 11:47:09 AM
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
Recruitment will move fast but I'd temper expectations for Cheick Diallo. His recruitment will take some time to unfold. A lot of ground needs to be made up there.
Damion Lee will definitely be a target and his family ties in the area will certainly help.
Other 5th year transfer guards will be targets. The bigs most likely will be JUCOs.
Goal is to win now and balance out scholarship distribution. Coach A specializes in such.
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Dave - with Matt on board, i expect a lot more scoops on JJ ;-)
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
Recruitment will move fast but I'd temper expectations for Cheick Diallo. His recruitment will take some time to unfold. A lot of ground needs to be made up there.
Damion Lee will definitely be a target and his family ties in the area will certainly help.
Other 5th year transfer guards will be targets. The bigs most likely will be JUCOs.
Goal is to win now and balance out scholarship distribution. Coach A specializes in such.
Music to my ears - "balance out scholarship distribution. Coach A specializes in such"
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
Recruitment will move fast but I'd temper expectations for Cheick Diallo. His recruitment will take some time to unfold. A lot of ground needs to be made up there.
Damion Lee will definitely be a target and his family ties in the area will certainly help.
Other 5th year transfer guards will be targets. The bigs most likely will be JUCOs.
Goal is to win now and balance out scholarship distribution. Coach A specializes in such.
Is Mullins first recruit a high quality player?
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Goal is to win now and balance out scholarship distribution.
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This right here!
I wasn't one of the folks who felt next season was or had to be a wash. Keep Jordan and Obekpa, and round out the roster with solid 5th year guys; a solid, JUCO big or two; and the other kids we've been recruiting or have landed. Next season could very, well end up being a decent-to-good year.
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
Recruitment will move fast but I'd temper expectations for Cheick Diallo. His recruitment will take some time to unfold. A lot of ground needs to be made up there.
Damion Lee will definitely be a target and his family ties in the area will certainly help.
Other 5th year transfer guards will be targets. The bigs most likely will be JUCOs.
Goal is to win now and balance out scholarship distribution. Coach A specializes in such.
Music to my ears - "balance out scholarship distribution. Coach A specializes in such"
Yeah, it's key to consistently winning unless you're Kentucky and even they have vet depth.
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"Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ."
I'm betting on Papa G signing because....
Matt's bio - I did not know this until Dave posted:
"Abdelmassih also helped the Cyclones sign Oregon State transfer Hallice Cooke and Greek national team player Georgios Tsalmpouris, a skilled 7-1 center."
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how does all this happen so fast?
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Coach Mullin and new staff had/have pre-exisiting relationships.....also this is going to be fun to be a part. Lots of playing time is available if recruits believe there is going to be a critical mass....plus this is decision time for all!
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
You're usually very good about this Dave, but let the kid have his moment
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
Recruitment will move fast but I'd temper expectations for Cheick Diallo. His recruitment will take some time to unfold. A lot of ground needs to be made up there.
Damion Lee will definitely be a target and his family ties in the area will certainly help.
Other 5th year transfer guards will be targets. The bigs most likely will be JUCOs.
Goal is to win now and balance out scholarship distribution. Coach A specializes in such.
Dave, is this recruit who is signing by weeks end someone who we would expect or someone new that is being brought in through Mullin or Matt A's connections?
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how does all this happen so fast?
Its called working or effort ;)
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how does all this happen so fast?
Its called working or effort ;)
Well, it seems like we needed a Truman Show type of deal to keep tabs on how much work and effort went in to the past 2 years.
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how does all this happen so fast?
Its called working or effort ;)
I love what's happening, but let's be fair to Lavin too. He signed Polee, a top 100 recruit, within days of taking job and then added more top 100 recruits the next seven months than our school had all century.
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FWIW, adding Damion Lee would be bigger for this team than getting either CO or Rysheed back IMO. Four years of college experience, a position we have nobody at, shooter, versatile, good size, skilled, and accomplished.
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FWIW, adding Damion Lee would be bigger for this team than getting either CO or Rysheed back IMO. Four years of college experience, a position we have nobody at, shooter, versatile, good size, skilled, and accomplished.
Is the drexel kid a wing? Can he play SF?
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FWIW, adding Damion Lee would be bigger for this team than getting either CO or Rysheed back IMO. Four years of college experience, a position we have nobody at, shooter, versatile, good size, skilled, and accomplished.
Is the drexel kid a wing? Can he play SF?
He's a 6'6 shooter. I don't see much of a difference between SG and SF in basketball anymore. In college, due to the smaller, quicker kids playing the two and so many two-pg looks, kids his size usually are better off defending the three.
He'd be a huge addition.
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@TravisHines21: Spoke ISU signee Darien Williams, who Abdelmassih recruited. He’s evaluating the news & how it relates to his future. (1/2)
@TravisHines21: He said he plans on being at ISU, but that Abdelmassih was his lead recruiter and that could change things for him. (2/2)
@TravisHines21: Williams certainly didn’t indicate he wasn’t going to come to ISU. He just got the news and wants to evaluate it.
Juco Forward
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Listed as 6'6" 200.
Would have been a backup center on last year's team.
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http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/basketball-mens/2014/11/12/darien-williams-signs-national-letter-of-intent-with-iowa-state-basketball/18911299/
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how does all this happen so fast?
Its called working or effort ;)
I love what's happening, but let's be fair to Lavin too. He signed Polee, a top 100 recruit, within days of taking job and then added more top 100 recruits the next seven months than our school had all century.
Sure
Whatever makes you feel good inside.
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Listed as 6'6" 200.
Would have been a backup center on last year's team.
The Harrison twins are the same size as Dom. It's amazing we won as much as we did with so little size.
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
You're usually very good about this Dave, but let the kid have his moment
huh?
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Listed as 6'6" 200.
Would have been a backup center on last year's team.
The Harrison twins are the same size as Dom. It's amazing we won as much as we did with so little size.
And so little depth. The 7 out of 8 BE run was the players doing everything they could to bail out the staffs neglect, and of course winning games for themselves. By the time Nova on the road came around they were shot. The blow they got between Sunday and Friday might have helped some had CO played. I do wonder if the staff thinks that run was their doing. On with the new, go Storm.
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http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/basketball-mens/2015/03/31/iowa-state-lead-assistant-matt-abdelmassih-leaves-iowa-state/70712256/
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
You're usually very good about this Dave, but let the kid have his moment
huh?
Idk
You were implying that you would give the scoop first on this recruit signing with us.
I'm just saying, I'd rather find out a day later and let this kid announce it on his own. But I think you do that normally, rather than spoil the kids fun.
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how does all this happen so fast?
Its called working or effort ;)
I love what's happening, but let's be fair to Lavin too. He signed Polee, a top 100 recruit, within days of taking job and then added more top 100 recruits the next seven months than our school had all century.
Sure
Whatever makes you feel good inside.
He dumped Lavin last week but now he thinks he might have made a huge mistake.
GEORGE: It'll be different this time.
SUSAN: I need someone a little more stable.
GEORGE: I'm not stable? I'm like a rock. I take these glasses off, you can't tell the difference between me and a rock. I put these glasses on a rock. You know what jumps into most people's minds? Costanza!
SUSAN: People don't change.
GEORGE: I change I change. Two weeks ago I tried a soft boiled egg. Never liked it before. Now I'm dunkin a piece of toast in there and I'm loving it.
SUSAN: I'm not a soft boiled egg.
GEORGE: And I am not a piece of toast.
SUSAN: I just don't think we have anything in common.
GEORGE: That's okay. That's good. You think Louie Pasteur and his wife had anything in common? He was in the fields all day with the cows, you know with the milk, examining the milk, delving into milk, consummed with milk. Pasteurization, Homogenization, She was in the kitchen killing cockroaches with a boot on each hand.
SUSAN: Why were there so many cockroaches?
GEORGE: Because. There was a lot of cake lying around the house. Just sitting there going with all the excess milk from all the experiments [grins]
SUSAN: And they got along?
GEORGE: Yes! Yes. You know. She didn't know about Pasteurization. He didn't know anout Fumigation. But they made it work!
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how does all this happen so fast?
Its called working or effort ;)
I love what's happening, but let's be fair to Lavin too. He signed Polee, a top 100 recruit, within days of taking job and then added more top 100 recruits the next seven months than our school had all century.
Sure
Whatever makes you feel good inside.
He dumped Lavin last week but now he thinks he might have made a huge mistake.
GEORGE: It'll be different this time.
SUSAN: I need someone a little more stable.
GEORGE: I'm not stable? I'm like a rock. I take these glasses off, you can't tell the difference between me and a rock. I put these glasses on a rock. You know what jumps into most people's minds? Costanza!
SUSAN: People don't change.
GEORGE: I change I change. Two weeks ago I tried a soft boiled egg. Never liked it before. Now I'm dunkin a piece of toast in there and I'm loving it.
SUSAN: I'm not a soft boiled egg.
GEORGE: And I am not a piece of toast.
SUSAN: I just don't think we have anything in common.
GEORGE: That's okay. That's good. You think Louie Pasteur and his wife had anything in common? He was in the fields all day with the cows, you know with the milk, examining the milk, delving into milk, consummed with milk. Pasteurization, Homogenization, She was in the kitchen killing cockroaches with a boot on each hand.
SUSAN: Why were there so many cockroaches?
GEORGE: Because. There was a lot of cake lying around the house. Just sitting there going with all the excess milk from all the experiments [grins]
SUSAN: And they got along?
GEORGE: Yes! Yes. You know. She didn't know about Pasteurization. He didn't know anout Fumigation. But they made it work!
Big day for Seinfeld quotes on SJU boards today!
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Listed as 6'6" 200.
Would have been a backup center on last year's team.
He wouldn't have been backup anything. He and Dom wold have been the twin towers in there for us.
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
Recruitment will move fast but I'd temper expectations for Cheick Diallo. His recruitment will take some time to unfold. A lot of ground needs to be made up there.
Damion Lee will definitely be a target and his family ties in the area will certainly help.
Other 5th year transfer guards will be targets. The bigs most likely will be JUCOs.
Goal is to win now and balance out scholarship distribution. Coach A specializes in such.
Like the idea of trying to win now
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
Recruitment will move fast but I'd temper expectations for Cheick Diallo. His recruitment will take some time to unfold. A lot of ground needs to be made up there.
Damion Lee will definitely be a target and his family ties in the area will certainly help.
Other 5th year transfer guards will be targets. The bigs most likely will be JUCOs.
Goal is to win now and balance out scholarship distribution. Coach A specializes in such.
Like the idea of trying to win now
Got to be in it, to win it...
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
Recruitment will move fast but I'd temper expectations for Cheick Diallo. His recruitment will take some time to unfold. A lot of ground needs to be made up there.
Damion Lee will definitely be a target and his family ties in the area will certainly help.
Other 5th year transfer guards will be targets. The bigs most likely will be JUCOs.
Goal is to win now and balance out scholarship distribution. Coach A specializes in such.
Like the idea of trying to win now
Got to be in it, to win it...
It will be nice to see some creative recruiting around here. Lavin did not embrace the transfer or JUCO game nearly enough when we had to watch Oregon St. and a few other schools making the tournament every year built on those guys--even locally with Iona.
If balance is important, we certainly have room in the junior and senior classes to add some immediately eligible recruits.
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Grrat to hear about a recruit on board and Damion Lee. Any smart staff knows they are better off winning now as well as balancing needs of future classes. Immediate eligible players like Damion Lee and Angel Nunez, coupled with Jucos and some freshmen studs like Sampson, The Greek kid, or Diallo and things can get rolling quickly out the gate. A guy like Damion Lee, an immediately eligible SF who averaged over 20ppg could pay huge dividends right away and not mess up any scholarship situations. Gonna be exciting times for the foreseeable future...
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Has anyone heard anything about any of the current players looking for a fresh start elsewhere? Jones? Felix? Stewart?
with any coaching change usually at least someone decides to go in a different direction
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
You're usually very good about this Dave, but let the kid have his moment
huh?
Idk
You were implying that you would give the scoop first on this recruit signing with us.
I'm just saying, I'd rather find out a day later and let this kid announce it on his own. But I think you do that normally, rather than spoil the kids fun.
I don't think it spoils the kids fun that people who read this site know that they're coming here a day early. I appreciate getting the inside scoop from Dave and others and it's one of the main reasons I check this website daily.
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Has anyone heard anything about any of the current players looking for a fresh start elsewhere? Jones? Felix? Stewart?
with any coaching change usually at least someone decides to go in a different direction
Just a guess, 2 of those 3 gone
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Has anyone heard anything about any of the current players looking for a fresh start elsewhere? Jones? Felix? Stewart?
with any coaching change usually at least someone decides to go in a different direction
Just a guess, 2 of those 3 gone
We may need bodies period, but frankly I don't know that we'd miss any of them.
Adonis and Amar are the key returning role players, along w Chris and Rysheed if they're here. Felix and Christian have had year after year to prove themselves. Nothing suggests to me they are anything more than 10min per game type guys.
Stewart is still young and has a needed skill, so if we're keeping one I prefer it be him. But he's also a west coast guy w ties to lavin.
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Has anyone heard anything about any of the current players looking for a fresh start elsewhere? Jones? Felix? Stewart?
with any coaching change usually at least someone decides to go in a different direction
Just a guess, 2 of those 3 gone
We may need bodies period, but frankly I don't know that we'd miss any of them.
Adonis and Amar are the key returning role players, along w Chris and Rysheed if they're here. Felix and Christian have had year after year to prove themselves. Nothing suggests to me they are anything more than 10min per game type guys.
Stewart is still young and has a needed skill, so if we're keeping one I prefer it be him. But he's also a west coast guy w ties to lavin.
I suggested that Jones might bolt because it's clear that he doesn't play hard, but there are a lot of players who struggle their first 2 or even 3 years before we see what they can really do. A good example is Donald Emanuel. A great player by no means, but by his senior year, he had carved out an important role for himself.
Balamou and Jones have had such little success here, that it's hard to see them getting better, but stranger things have happened.
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Has anyone heard anything about any of the current players looking for a fresh start elsewhere? Jones? Felix? Stewart?
with any coaching change usually at least someone decides to go in a different direction
Just a guess, 2 of those 3 gone
We may need bodies period, but frankly I don't know that we'd miss any of them.
Adonis and Amar are the key returning role players, along w Chris and Rysheed if they're here. Felix and Christian have had year after year to prove themselves. Nothing suggests to me they are anything more than 10min per game type guys.
Stewart is still young and has a needed skill, so if we're keeping one I prefer it be him. But he's also a west coast guy w ties to lavin.
I suggested that Jones might bolt because it's clear that he doesn't play hard, but there are a lot of players who struggle their first 2 or even 3 years before we see what they can really do. A good example is Donald Emanuel. A great player by no means, but by his senior year, he had carved out an important role for himself.
Balamou and Jones have had such little success here, that it's hard to see them getting better, but stranger things have happened.
Is there a David Cain in that bunch? I agree about C. Jones. He seems like a PF who does not rebound. Is that possible?
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I'd have no issue with letting Jones, Limscomb, and Stewart walking.
Balamou, Amar, and Delarosas can hang. I think all Felix needs is some minutes. Those guys play hard.
As for Stewart I think he's a nice player but might be in his best interest to seek minutes elsewhere.
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Has anyone heard anything about any of the current players looking for a fresh start elsewhere? Jones? Felix? Stewart?
with any coaching change usually at least someone decides to go in a different direction
Just a guess, 2 of those 3 gone
We may need bodies period, but frankly I don't know that we'd miss any of them.
Adonis and Amar are the key returning role players, along w Chris and Rysheed if they're here. Felix and Christian have had year after year to prove themselves. Nothing suggests to me they are anything more than 10min per game type guys.
Stewart is still young and has a needed skill, so if we're keeping one I prefer it be him. But he's also a west coast guy w ties to lavin.
I suggested that Jones might bolt because it's clear that he doesn't play hard, but there are a lot of players who struggle their first 2 or even 3 years before we see what they can really do. A good example is Donald Emanuel. A great player by no means, but by his senior year, he had carved out an important role for himself.
Balamou and Jones have had such little success here, that it's hard to see them getting better, but stranger things have happened.
Is there a David Cain in that bunch? I agree about C. Jones. He seems like a PF who does not rebound. Is that possible?
If there is, I don't think it's Jones. Balamou is more likely. The guy gets after it, and we'll need players to set an example in practice.
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I suggested that Jones might bolt because it's clear that he doesn't play hard, but there are a lot of players who struggle their first 2 or even 3 years before we see what they can really do. A good example is Donald Emanuel. A great player by no means, but by his senior year, he had carved out an important role for himself.
You don't have to go so far back to find them: Dom - Phil
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I suggested that Jones might bolt because it's clear that he doesn't play hard, but there are a lot of players who struggle their first 2 or even 3 years before we see what they can really do. A good example is Donald Emanuel. A great player by no means, but by his senior year, he had carved out an important role for himself.
You don't have to go so far back to find them: Dom - Phil
Except we kinda do in this case. Dom had moments. Not as many as we would have liked, but Jones and Balamou have done next to nothing in BE games. Dom at least got to play.
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@EvanDaniels: Source tells Scout that Damion Lee, who averaged 21.4 points a game this year, received his release from Drexel on Tuesday.
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I suggested that Jones might bolt because it's clear that he doesn't play hard, but there are a lot of players who struggle their first 2 or even 3 years before we see what they can really do. A good example is Donald Emanuel. A great player by no means, but by his senior year, he had carved out an important role for himself.
You don't have to go so far back to find them: Dom - Phil
Except we kinda do in this case. Dom had moments. Not as many as we would have liked, but Jones and Balamou have done next to nothing in BE games. Dom at least got to play.
+1
Felix and Jones have had tons of chances. And they've barely contributed, if at all.
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I'd have no issue with letting Jones, Limscomb, and Stewart walking.
Balamou, Amar, and Delarosas can hang. I think all Felix needs is some minutes. Those guys play hard.
As for Stewart I think he's a nice player but might be in his best interest to seek minutes elsewhere.
Dave is spot on here. Jones, lipscomb and stewart are gonna struggle to find much OT if any here and it might be smarter for them to make marks at smaller programs. I like Balamou and alibegovic. Both can be at least role players at this level. I saw quite a few nice things out of Alibegovic. He likely will improve quite a bit over next few. Delarosa's are big bodies. Can't hurt to have one or two, and to see if adonis reaches some of his potential. Other than that, we'd be better off with more scholarships to give out and see what we come up with via transfers, Jucos and freshman recruits.
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I'd have no issue with letting Jones, Limscomb, and Stewart walking.
Balamou, Amar, and Delarosas can hang. I think all Felix needs is some minutes. Those guys play hard.
As for Stewart I think he's a nice player but might be in his best interest to seek minutes elsewhere.
Dave is spot on here. Jones, lipscomb and stewart are gonna struggle to find much OT if any here and it might be smarter for them to make marks at smaller programs. I like Balamou and alibegovic. Both can be at least role players at this level. I saw quite a few nice things out of Alibegovic. He likely will improve quite a bit over next few. Delarosa's are big bodies. Can't hurt to have one or two, and to see if adonis reaches some of his potential. Other than that, we'd be better off with more scholarships to give out and see what we come up with via transfers, Jucos and freshman recruits.
And Chris Will get Adonis into reasonable shape & realize his potential.
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I personally think the only guys (excluding the walkon's) that stay are Amar, Felix, Obekpa, and Jordan
Jones is in a tough spot because he already redshirted so in order to not lose a year he would have to go D2 or NAIA
Stewart could transfer and is definitely worthy of a D1 scholarship at a school like UC Irvine, Fullerton, etc. I would give him a ship at SJU. I like him
ADR I don't see him having a future here unless he just has a change of heart regarding what it takes to be an athlete at this level
Lipscombe is a walk on and will likely stay until he graduates and play his last year somewhere where he can get some minutes
We may be looking at filling up to 9 spots on the roster. I would like the staff to possibly add a few D1 transfers to play in the 16-17 season.
Main thing at this point is start to look at getting this roster divided every 4 years so you are not looking to replace more than 4 kids in any one year
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Main thing at this point is start to look at getting this roster divided every 4 years so you are not looking to replace more than 4 kids in any one year
Sounds great, but talented kids will always leave early, and recreate the problem (as well as other defections). The problem has to be addressed now, and then on a regular basis. Just balancing the current scholarships won't stop it from happening again. I'm sure you realize that.
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Main thing at this point is start to look at getting this roster divided every 4 years so you are not looking to replace more than 4 kids in any one year
Sounds great, but talented kids will always leave early, and recreate the problem (as well as other defections). The problem has to be addressed now, and then on a regular basis. Just balancing the current scholarships won't stop it from happening again. I'm sure you realize that.
Of course, but your roster should never be graduating like 5-6 guys with an early defection to boot.
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Main thing at this point is start to look at getting this roster divided every 4 years so you are not looking to replace more than 4 kids in any one year
Sounds great, but talented kids will always leave early, and recreate the problem (as well as other defections). The problem has to be addressed now, and then on a regular basis. Just balancing the current scholarships won't stop it from happening again. I'm sure you realize that.
Of course, but your roster should never be graduating like 5-6 guys with an early defection to boot.
Tell that to Calipari. Stuff happens ... good coaches will deal with it, and be ready for it, not make it an excuse.
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Main thing at this point is start to look at getting this roster divided every 4 years so you are not looking to replace more than 4 kids in any one year
Sounds great, but talented kids will always leave early, and recreate the problem (as well as other defections). The problem has to be addressed now, and then on a regular basis. Just balancing the current scholarships won't stop it from happening again. I'm sure you realize that.
Of course, but your roster should never be graduating like 5-6 guys with an early defection to boot.
Tell that to Calipari. Stuff happens ... good coaches will deal with it, and be ready for it, not make it an excuse.
Calipari is at a different level than almost everyone else. I can't even think of having this staff replicate his model.
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Main thing at this point is start to look at getting this roster divided every 4 years so you are not looking to replace more than 4 kids in any one year
Sounds great, but talented kids will always leave early, and recreate the problem (as well as other defections). The problem has to be addressed now, and then on a regular basis. Just balancing the current scholarships won't stop it from happening again. I'm sure you realize that.
Of course, but your roster should never be graduating like 5-6 guys with an early defection to boot.
Uderstood but as dR3w pointed out sometimes things are unforseen. Look at Louisville, inluding transfers and graduating kids and kickingkids off the team (Chris Jones) and kids leaving early will lose 6-7 this year easy. Pitino didn't plan that.
You can kill Lavin for a number of things but his plan was never to have as many holes as he had this year. Two kids left early over the last 3 years (who were not projected as 1 and done or 2 and done), 2 kids initially cleared and then were declared ineigible and more importantly he failed to land key recruits who he targeted over the last two years(Briscoe being 1 big one). You want to claim he did not put in the work to close on some of these kids, fair point and that is on him. But trust me his plan was not to have those holes. Sometimes situations take on a life of their own and are not necessarily in your control.
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If you start with a 10 man class, it is not far-fetched to have 4 of them graduate together. Granted, Branch transferred in, but he ended up in the same class after sitting out..
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Lavin swung for the fences and missed a bunch of times. The real issue is that he did not have any options or back up plans if he missed or of people left. It would have been real interesting if he would have lost in the first round this year but had a stacked class for next year comming in.
Dissapointment happens in one and done tournaments, but to follow that up with a team that needed to be rebuilt is not good. The only thing Lavin seemed to offer was trust me I'll fix it without tangible results wasn't good either.
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Very happy we have a new coach. But the old coach wasn't such an idiot and the new coach won't be able to work miracles. Adonis out of shape is almost all his fault. Not even sure if their is a strength coach at the school, if there is he should get some of the blame. If Adonis gets into shape. almost 100 of the praise should be his.
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Main thing at this point is start to look at getting this roster divided every 4 years so you are not looking to replace more than 4 kids in any one year
Sounds great, but talented kids will always leave early, and recreate the problem (as well as other defections). The problem has to be addressed now, and then on a regular basis. Just balancing the current scholarships won't stop it from happening again. I'm sure you realize that.
Of course, but your roster should never be graduating like 5-6 guys with an early defection to boot.
Uderstood but as dR3w pointed out sometimes things are unforseen. Look at Louisville, inluding transfers and graduating kids and kickingkids off the team (Chris Jones) and kids leaving early will lose 6-7 this year easy. Pitino didn't plan that.
You can kill Lavin for a number of things but his plan was never to have as many holes as he had this year. Two kids left early over the last 3 years (who were not projected as 1 and done or 2 and done), 2 kids initially cleared and then were declared ineigible and more importantly he failed to land key recruits who he targeted over the last two years(Briscoe being 1 big one). You want to claim he did not put in the work to close on some of these kids, fair point and that is on him. But trust me his plan was not to have those holes. Sometimes situations take on a life of their own and are not necessarily in your control.
So his plan wasn't to fail? Tell me more.
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No doubt it wasn't Lavin's intent, but he cast a very narrow net when recruiting, which is to his own admission. Lavin was putting too many eggs into one basket. We whiffed and he was quite laissez faire in his approach to having a backup plan, or rather having none. It took a toll in a few short years, when we should have been reloading in 2014 and 15' classes. Instead we fizzled on the recruiting trail.
I think a smarter approach to recruiting is needed. Balancing the classes is an art that I think the new staff will have an idea how to do. Chris has a keen eye for basketball, so I don't see him and his staff loading up for one recruit for months and have no other pokers in the fire. It is as much Lavin's approach to this as anything else. Under Lavin it was the first option or bust. By the time it busted, other options were all gone. Simply need to be smarter and more dilligent.
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I suggested that Jones might bolt because it's clear that he doesn't play hard, but there are a lot of players who struggle their first 2 or even 3 years before we see what they can really do. A good example is Donald Emanuel. A great player by no means, but by his senior year, he had carved out an important role for himself.
You don't have to go so far back to find them: Dom - Phil
Except we kinda do in this case. Dom had moments. Not as many as we would have liked, but Jones and Balamou have done next to nothing in BE games. Dom at least got to play.
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Felix and Jones have had tons of chances. And they've barely contributed, if at all.
Jones and Balamou should not be lumped together. Jones doesn't play hard and Balamou plays as hard as anyone. He played behind four seniors--two of them all-Big East selections--and a former five-star recruit. He clearly wasn't comfortable out there with the sporadic minutes. The potential is still there, and at the very least, the guy give you all he has when his # is called. Jones is a SG trapped in a PF's body...he has no nose for the ball or desire to get it.
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Just a FYI on Josh Cunningham
@TravisHines21: Josh Cunningham, who ISU (Abdelmassih at point) recruited out of HS, is transferring from Bradley, per @michaelsobrien. Name to watch.
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What's the word on Jordan and Obekpa? I think getting a feel for what they are going to do is going to set the strategy on how Mullin and staff recruit. Unless Mullin doesn't want them for whatever reason.
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What's the word on Jordan and Obekpa? I think getting a feel for what they are going to do is going to set the strategy on how Mullin and staff recruit. Unless Mullin doesn't want them for whatever reason.
jordan not being there today speaks volumes. he doesn't care.
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What's the word on Jordan and Obekpa? I think getting a feel for what they are going to do is going to set the strategy on how Mullin and staff recruit. Unless Mullin doesn't want them for whatever reason.
jordan not being there today speaks volumes. he doesn't care.
Exactly and it's a slap in the face to Mullin and the University.
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What's the word on Jordan and Obekpa? I think getting a feel for what they are going to do is going to set the strategy on how Mullin and staff recruit. Unless Mullin doesn't want them for whatever reason.
jordan not being there today speaks volumes. he doesn't care.
Listening to Chris today, he wants kids who practice, practice, practice. He does not want kids who ask if practice is over but rather those who were like him and turn out the lights. It is a shame if Sheed can not buy in to the philosophy because he appears to have a great upside which could only blossom under Chris.. If he walks away from this chance, I'm sure NBA GM's will notice the lack of devotion to his craft
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Just a FYI on Josh Cunningham
@TravisHines21: Josh Cunningham, who ISU (Abdelmassih at point) recruited out of HS, is transferring from Bradley, per @michaelsobrien. Name to watch.
Would love Cunningham, who we also recruited even if he has to sit a year. It helps balance things out and kid is truly a good player.
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If he walks away from this chance, I'm sure NBA GM's will notice the lack of devotion to his craft
That's reading a bit too much into it. If he declares they'll think he's another kid who went pro prematurely because he didn't grow up with financial security and wanted to play for $ finally.
That's all. Not returning to play for Mullin specifically won't earn him any additional criticism from GMs.
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Assuming (or hoping) we land 6'6 Lee and 6'7 Williams--both of whom I love as recruits--and have both Obekpa and Sampson on the team, we would still need a point guard with or without Jordan.
A couple of things fall the right way and we can end up being really good next season after all.
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I don't think we/he have any idea whether he's coming back yet. He'll meet w Coach Lavin and then maybe we'll have an idea.
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I don't think we/he have any idea whether he's coming back yet. He'll meet w Coach Lavin and then maybe we'll have an idea.
Agree Freudian slip you mean Mullin.
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Oooops.
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Well if anyone can tell him if the NBA thinks he is ready... it's Mullin.
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What's the word on Jordan and Obekpa? I think getting a feel for what they are going to do is going to set the strategy on how Mullin and staff recruit. Unless Mullin doesn't want them for whatever reason.
jordan not being there today speaks volumes. he doesn't care.
Exactly and it's a slap in the face to Mullin and the University.
Chris M said students are on break and Jordan isn't on campus. I would imagine he is back home in Philly so in this instance let's give the kid a break.
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Oooops.
Not a big deal here but make sure you don't call out his name next time you're at it, broads hate that.
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Rawle Alkins just got an offer from the johnnies, said he has been waiting for it.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Finally got that St.Johns Offer I've been wanting !
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What's the word on Jordan and Obekpa? I think getting a feel for what they are going to do is going to set the strategy on how Mullin and staff recruit. Unless Mullin doesn't want them for whatever reason.
jordan not being there today speaks volumes. he doesn't care.
Exactly and it's a slap in the face to Mullin and the University.
Chris M said students are on break and Jordan isn't on campus. I would imagine he is back home in Philly so in this instance let's give the kid a break.
Agreed. Let's stop bashing the kid. He's got to sort things out and there will be a time and place when he and Coach will talk.
There is no need to insinuate anything. This was a great day for SJU and more to follow.
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What's the word on Jordan and Obekpa? I think getting a feel for what they are going to do is going to set the strategy on how Mullin and staff recruit. Unless Mullin doesn't want them for whatever reason.
jordan not being there today speaks volumes. he doesn't care.
Exactly and it's a slap in the face to Mullin and the University.
Chris M said students are on break and Jordan isn't on campus. I would imagine he is back home in Philly so in this instance let's give the kid a break.
Agreed. Let's stop bashing the kid. He's got to sort things out and there will be a time and place when he and Coach will talk.
There is no need to insinuate anything. This was a great day for SJU and more to follow.
I saw Henderson was also home in Orlando, so we can't conclude anything. Mullin seemed sincere about wanting to meet with Jordan, noting how talented he was. We'll see, but you are right. This has been a great day & beginning.
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What's the word on Jordan and Obekpa? I think getting a feel for what they are going to do is going to set the strategy on how Mullin and staff recruit. Unless Mullin doesn't want them for whatever reason.
jordan not being there today speaks volumes. he doesn't care.
Exactly and it's a slap in the face to Mullin and the University.
Chris M said students are on break and Jordan isn't on campus. I would imagine he is back home in Philly so in this instance let's give the kid a break.
Agreed. Let's stop bashing the kid. He's got to sort things out and there will be a time and place when he and Coach will talk.
There is no need to insinuate anything. This was a great day for SJU and more to follow.
I already think Rysheed showed a bit more maturity at the end of the season. Whether he decides to take that next step with Chris remains to be seen. He's crazy if he doesn't take this next year as his blueprint to begin a journey to becoming a polished professional. Long way to go, but next year might be his best chance.
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Some fans probably traveled the same distance as Philly to get to the press conference.
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Some fans probably traveled the same distance as Philly to get to the press conference.
Let it go. Let's wait and see on this. No one's going to con a Brooklyn guy. He's done and heard it all
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We need Rysheed back if we want any hope of going to the ncaas again. Point guards don't grow on trees, and he'd be among the best in the conference if he returned.
Honestly, I think he could strive in a Mullin system. Assuming we play a pro style, Rysheed has the best court vision on the team, can make those cross court passes, and runs the pick n roll well.
My gut tells me it's a long shot, but we'll see.
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We need Rysheed back if we want any hope of going to the ncaas again. Point guards don't grow on trees, and he'd be among the best in the conference if he returned.
Honestly, I think he could strive in a Mullin system. Assuming we play a pro style, Rysheed has the best court vision on the team, can make those cross court passes, and runs the pick n roll well.
My gut tells me it's a long shot, but we'll see.
Dead on.
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What's the word on Jordan and Obekpa? I think getting a feel for what they are going to do is going to set the strategy on how Mullin and staff recruit. Unless Mullin doesn't want them for whatever reason.
jordan not being there today speaks volumes. he doesn't care.
Exactly and it's a slap in the face to Mullin and the University.
Chris M said students are on break and Jordan isn't on campus. I would imagine he is back home in Philly so in this instance let's give the kid a break.
Agreed. Let's stop bashing the kid. He's got to sort things out and there will be a time and place when he and Coach will talk.
There is no need to insinuate anything. This was a great day for SJU and more to follow.
I saw Henderson was also home in Orlando, so we can't conclude anything. Mullin seemed sincere about wanting to meet with Jordan, noting how talented he was. We'll see, but you are right. This has been a great day & beginning.
Stewart was in LA and Jones was off campus too I believe
I guess it's spring break
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Marillac correctly pointed out that spring break begins tomorrow(Thursday) so, many students had already left campus.
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We need Rysheed back if we want any hope of going to the ncaas again. Point guards don't grow on trees, and he'd be among the best in the conference if he returned.
Honestly, I think he could strive in a Mullin system. Assuming we play a pro style, Rysheed has the best court vision on the team, can make those cross court passes, and runs the pick n roll well.
My gut tells me it's a long shot, but we'll see.
But is he a point guard or even close to one? He hasn't been the past two seasons. Don't get me wrong, I want him back, but establishing a winning culture has already started and no coach can ever let one guy jeopardize that...it's a slippery slope.
He needs to be all in or it won't work. His games won't cut it with Mullin at the helm.
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Easter Break dudes calm down.
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We need Rysheed back if we want any hope of going to the ncaas again. Point guards don't grow on trees, and he'd be among the best in the conference if he returned.
Honestly, I think he could strive in a Mullin system. Assuming we play a pro style, Rysheed has the best court vision on the team, can make those cross court passes, and runs the pick n roll well.
My gut tells me it's a long shot, but we'll see.
But is he a point guard or even close to one? He hasn't been the past two seasons. Don't get me wrong, I want him back, but establishing a winning culture has already started and no coach can ever let one guy jeopardize that...it's a slippery slope.
He needs to be all in or it won't work. His games won't cut it with Mullin at the helm.
He hasn't been asked to play like a true point yet, I agree. But he hasn't shown he's selfish with the ball really. Maybe a few I'll advised shots, but that's correctable.
It's the head games, trips homes, aversion to games at CA etc that concern me. I think he can play the position fine, it's the other stuff you alluded to.
I will give Rysheed credit though, I thought he did a better job than anyone on the team at leading Obekpa with easy passes on pick n rolls. None of our other ball handlers even looked for chris.
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Easter Break dudes calm down.
I was there-today was a school day. D'Angelo Hall was full. If women softball and volleyball players could show up to hear the new coach, those that want to play for him could show up. CO showed up despite the embarrassment he caused, like the prodigal son he can be forgiven if he understands. Chris wants kids who understand the importance of practice--Sheed has to show he understands and then demonstrates that he gets it. If he does not, there is always Amtrak out of town as he will not fit in with the program which is more important than the individual. That said I hope Sheed gets it as I think he has great potential that I would hate to see unrealized
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Easter Break dudes calm down.
I was there-today was a school day. D'Angelo Hall was full. If women softball and volleyball players could show up to hear the new coach, those that want to play for him could show up. CO showed up despite the embarrassment he caused, like the prodigal son he can be forgiven if he understands. Chris wants kids who understand the importance of practice--Sheed has to show he understands and then demonstrates that he gets it. If he does not, there is always Amtrak out of town as he will not fit in with the program which is more important than the individual. That said I hope Sheed gets it as I think he has great potential that I would hate to see unrealized
There was school, but not everyone has the same class schedule so Jordan might have gone home 1-2 days ago. I'm not going to bash a kid without all of the facts.
It's a shame that more students didn't go to the press conference. Was an okay turn out (for short notice) but most other schools would have had a packed house.
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Easter Break dudes calm down.
I was there-today was a school day. D'Angelo Hall was full. If women softball and volleyball players could show up to hear the new coach, those that want to play for him could show up. CO showed up despite the embarrassment he caused, like the prodigal son he can be forgiven if he understands. Chris wants kids who understand the importance of practice--Sheed has to show he understands and then demonstrates that he gets it. If he does not, there is always Amtrak out of town as he will not fit in with the program which is more important than the individual. That said I hope Sheed gets it as I think he has great potential that I would hate to see unrealized
There was school, but not everyone has the same class schedule so Jordan might have gone home 1-2 days ago. I'm not going to bash a kid without all of the facts.
It's a shame that more students didn't go to the press conference. Was an okay turn out (for short notice) but most other schools would have had a packed house.
It's a shame that St.John's students have zero school pride. That's what other schools have that St.John's doesn't have. Their students really are different. It's too bad they can't hire that.
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Easter Break dudes calm down.
I was there-today was a school day. D'Angelo Hall was full. If women softball and volleyball players could show up to hear the new coach, those that want to play for him could show up. CO showed up despite the embarrassment he caused, like the prodigal son he can be forgiven if he understands. Chris wants kids who understand the importance of practice--Sheed has to show he understands and then demonstrates that he gets it. If he does not, there is always Amtrak out of town as he will not fit in with the program which is more important than the individual. That said I hope Sheed gets it as I think he has great potential that I would hate to see unrealized
There was school, but not everyone has the same class schedule so Jordan might have gone home 1-2 days ago. I'm not going to bash a kid without all of the facts.
It's a shame that more students didn't go to the press conference. Was an okay turn out (for short notice) but most other schools would have had a packed house.
It's a shame that St.John's students have zero school pride. That's what other schools have that St.John's doesn't have. Their students really are different. It's too bad they can't hire that.
This is true.
For a long time, I could understand the apathy. The Norm years were rough.
But the team was exciting and competitive under Lavin. Student support should be better. We're not a cellar dweller anymore.
And the school has ponied up the money for two headline coaches in a row now. The school is doing their part.
Honestly, the school needs to start giving out student tickets more easily. Place should be packed with students. And schedule games according to the class schedule.
If we're going to play CW Post or Eastern Idaho why does it have to be on a Friday night on Thanksgiving break?
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Easter Break dudes calm down.
I was there-today was a school day. D'Angelo Hall was full. If women softball and volleyball players could show up to hear the new coach, those that want to play for him could show up. CO showed up despite the embarrassment he caused, like the prodigal son he can be forgiven if he understands. Chris wants kids who understand the importance of practice--Sheed has to show he understands and then demonstrates that he gets it. If he does not, there is always Amtrak out of town as he will not fit in with the program which is more important than the individual. That said I hope Sheed gets it as I think he has great potential that I would hate to see unrealized
There was school, but not everyone has the same class schedule so Jordan might have gone home 1-2 days ago. I'm not going to bash a kid without all of the facts.
It's a shame that more students didn't go to the press conference. Was an okay turn out (for short notice) but most other schools would have had a packed house.
It's a shame that St.John's students have zero school pride. That's what other schools have that St.John's doesn't have. Their students really are different. It's too bad they can't hire that.
This is true.
For a long time, I could understand the apathy. The Norm years were rough.
But the team was exciting and competitive under Lavin. Student support should be better. We're not a cellar dweller anymore.
And the school has ponied up the money for two headline coaches in a row now. The school is doing their part.
Honestly, the school needs to start giving out student tickets more easily. Place should be packed with students. And schedule games according to the class schedule.
If we're going to play CW Post or Eastern Idaho why does it have to be on a Friday night on Thanksgiving break?
Agree. An event like yesterday was free so the money issue excuse is out the window. Maybe if they gave out free t-shirts more students would have showed up.
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We need Rysheed back if we want any hope of going to the ncaas again. Point guards don't grow on trees, and he'd be among the best in the conference if he returned.
Honestly, I think he could strive in a Mullin system. Assuming we play a pro style, Rysheed has the best court vision on the team, can make those cross court passes, and runs the pick n roll well.
My gut tells me it's a long shot, but we'll see.
Jordan's handle is garbage. He gets the ball picked way too often when bringing it up the court and directing the offense. The one thing Jordan had going for him at the end of this past season was his outside shot. He was unconscious from outside late in the season. He's also a good driver but there is no way Jordan makes the NBA as a PG. I'm sure Mullin will be targeting at least one PG in this cycle, if not more.
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just figured out Paultzman's avatar so that should brighten the outlook.
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just figured out Paultzman's avatar so that should brighten the outlook.
Who is it now?
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Easter Break dudes calm down.
I was there-today was a school day. D'Angelo Hall was full. If women softball and volleyball players could show up to hear the new coach, those that want to play for him could show up. CO showed up despite the embarrassment he caused, like the prodigal son he can be forgiven if he understands. Chris wants kids who understand the importance of practice--Sheed has to show he understands and then demonstrates that he gets it. If he does not, there is always Amtrak out of town as he will not fit in with the program which is more important than the individual. That said I hope Sheed gets it as I think he has great potential that I would hate to see unrealized
Would love him to return next season but agree its hard to understand how he wasn't there yesterday. just figured out Paultzman's avatar so that should brighten the outlook.
Who is it?
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Easter Break dudes calm down.
I was there-today was a school day. D'Angelo Hall was full. If women softball and volleyball players could show up to hear the new coach, those that want to play for him could show up. CO showed up despite the embarrassment he caused, like the prodigal son he can be forgiven if he understands. Chris wants kids who understand the importance of practice--Sheed has to show he understands and then demonstrates that he gets it. If he does not, there is always Amtrak out of town as he will not fit in with the program which is more important than the individual. That said I hope Sheed gets it as I think he has great potential that I would hate to see unrealized
Would love him to return next season but agree its hard to understand how he wasn't there yesterday. just figured out Paultzman's avatar so that should brighten the outlook.
Who is it?
Looks like some memorial of sorts, flag and flower on it
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Easter Break dudes calm down.
I was there-today was a school day. D'Angelo Hall was full. If women softball and volleyball players could show up to hear the new coach, those that want to play for him could show up. CO showed up despite the embarrassment he caused, like the prodigal son he can be forgiven if he understands. Chris wants kids who understand the importance of practice--Sheed has to show he understands and then demonstrates that he gets it. If he does not, there is always Amtrak out of town as he will not fit in with the program which is more important than the individual. That said I hope Sheed gets it as I think he has great potential that I would hate to see unrealized
Would love him to return next season but agree its hard to understand how he wasn't there yesterday. just figured out Paultzman's avatar so that should brighten the outlook.
Who is it?
Looks like some memorial of sorts, flag and flower on it
Not sure what avatar you're looking at. Paultzman has a ball player on there. Not hard to figure out with some google help. Very good player that would suit us well right away. Not a guard and would help distribute our scholarships.
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Easter Break dudes calm down.
I was there-today was a school day. D'Angelo Hall was full. If women softball and volleyball players could show up to hear the new coach, those that want to play for him could show up. CO showed up despite the embarrassment he caused, like the prodigal son he can be forgiven if he understands. Chris wants kids who understand the importance of practice--Sheed has to show he understands and then demonstrates that he gets it. If he does not, there is always Amtrak out of town as he will not fit in with the program which is more important than the individual. That said I hope Sheed gets it as I think he has great potential that I would hate to see unrealized
Would love him to return next season but agree its hard to understand how he wasn't there yesterday. just figured out Paultzman's avatar so that should brighten the outlook.
Who is it?
Looks like some memorial of sorts, flag and flower on it
Not sure what avatar you're looking at. Paultzman has a ball player on there. Not hard to figure out with some google help. Very good player that would suit us well right away. Not a guard and would help distribute our scholarships.
You are late to the game on this MCN - was discussed either yesterday or the day before that it's Darien Williams.
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Easter Break dudes calm down.
I was there-today was a school day. D'Angelo Hall was full. If women softball and volleyball players could show up to hear the new coach, those that want to play for him could show up. CO showed up despite the embarrassment he caused, like the prodigal son he can be forgiven if he understands. Chris wants kids who understand the importance of practice--Sheed has to show he understands and then demonstrates that he gets it. If he does not, there is always Amtrak out of town as he will not fit in with the program which is more important than the individual. That said I hope Sheed gets it as I think he has great potential that I would hate to see unrealized
Would love him to return next season but agree its hard to understand how he wasn't there yesterday. just figured out Paultzman's avatar so that should brighten the outlook.
Who is it?
Looks like some memorial of sorts, flag and flower on it
Not sure what avatar you're looking at. Paultzman has a ball player on there. Not hard to figure out with some google help. Very good player that would suit us well right away. Not a guard and would help distribute our scholarships.
Named? ;)
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Didn't realize it was out there. Guessing we are looking good. Big, talented wing that can should would be great way to get things rolling. Get Sampson back in the fold etc.
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Didn't realize it was out there. Guessing we are looking good. Big, talented wing that can should would be great way to get things rolling. Get Sampson back in the fold etc.
Agreed - Sampson and Williams would be a great start. Then try to woo Lee, Diallo, and others and hope sit downs with Obekpa and Jordan go over and they are ready to rededicate, recommitt and earn their St. John's uniforms.
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Didn't realize it was out there. Guessing we are looking good. Big, talented wing that can should would be great way to get things rolling. Get Sampson back in the fold etc.
Agreed - Sampson and Williams would be a great start. Then try to woo Lee, Diallo, and others and hope sit downs with Obekpa and Jordan go over and they are ready to rededicate, recommitt and earn their St. John's uniforms.
Yup... Can you imagine Diallo at Pf next to Obekpa at C and Williams at wing. SG's like Sampson and Lee? Gonna be a very interesting few weeks coming up...
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Isnt Williams signed by Iowa St. Are they going to let him come here?
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Didn't realize it was out there. Guessing we are looking good. Big, talented wing that can should would be great way to get things rolling. Get Sampson back in the fold etc.
Agreed - Sampson and Williams would be a great start. Then try to woo Lee, Diallo, and others and hope sit downs with Obekpa and Jordan go over and they are ready to rededicate, recommitt and earn their St. John's uniforms.
Yup... Can you imagine Diallo at Pf next to Obekpa at C and Williams at wing. SG's like Sampson and Lee? Gonna be a very interesting few weeks coming up...
Team could be better than we ever imagined in our wildest dreams. Very exciting times even if we just land a few of the guys discussed and then fill in with other under the radar targets who are ready to work hard and improve, etc.
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Assuming no Jordan, do we have any viable PG targets? One grad transfer that I think could be an interesting stopgap for next year is Anthony Collins from USF.
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Isnt Williams signed by Iowa St. Are they going to let him come here?
I believe he did sign. Wonder if it was mostly because of Matt A and if Williams requested it Hoiberg will let him go. Who knows. But great question.
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Jordan really wasn't much of a PG last year. Team was better w Branch in there and Dom racked up a lot of assists. Howe many times did we see Sheed travel because of hesitation? How many 2-3 turnovers in a row, giving away 4-5 pt. swings? Nice offensive game, developed a nice three, has that hanging drive move. But a PG...not really.
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Jordan really wasn't much of a PG last year. Team was better w Branch in there and Dom racked up a lot of assists. Howe many times did we see Sheed travel because of hesitation? How many 2-3 turnovers in a row, giving away 4-5 pt. swings? Nice offensive game, developed a nice three, has that hanging drive move. But a PG...not really.
He only averaged 3 turnovers per game. So that couldn't have happened too often, unless all his turnovers were on consecutive possessions. Seems unlikely
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Holberg in line for possible Bulls job. If that occurs, schools will usually give player a release.
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Isnt Williams signed by Iowa St. Are they going to let him come here?
Hoiberg is stand up guy and won't stand in the way of a guy who committed because of Matt.
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Isnt Williams signed by Iowa St. Are they going to let him come here?
I believe he did sign. Wonder if it was mostly because of Matt A and if Williams requested it Hoiberg will let him go. Who knows. But great question.
There was an article or twitter posts on one of the sites stating that Matt A was the primary recruiter for Williams. Williams did state that he would probably still go to Iowa St, but who knows.
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As of right now, we can still be optimists.
1. Great move by SJU to open the ceremony/press conference to the public...First time ever at SJU and 1,000 people showed up at the last second at 1:30pm before a four day....They made AIT I nkise and there was a buzz around the campus from what I heard. Could more people showed up....Sure... The ones that were there were Lund and energetic and the real test will be when the team starts this fall and how many people show up to the game.
2. CO showing up is a great sign that shows he actually gives a crap. I really pegged him to be long gone by now...Hopefully this shows he is changing for the better.
3. If he stays or goes the Jordan drama will end regardless...Hopefully for the better.
4. There is a sense of ease that this team will be balanced, the players will actually play, and the program for good, bad or, I different will stop with Mullin...No more classes about life.
5. SJU culture needs to be rebuilt and needs to be united again. Between Mullin and the new President, they will make students proud to be part of SJU and rally around the basketball team.
It's ok to be optimists, it's April, and more importantly the coach has a plan and loves this school When was the last time that happened?
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Easter Break dudes calm down.
I was there-today was a school day. D'Angelo Hall was full. If women softball and volleyball players could show up to hear the new coach, those that want to play for him could show up. CO showed up despite the embarrassment he caused, like the prodigal son he can be forgiven if he understands. Chris wants kids who understand the importance of practice--Sheed has to show he understands and then demonstrates that he gets it. If he does not, there is always Amtrak out of town as he will not fit in with the program which is more important than the individual. That said I hope Sheed gets it as I think he has great potential that I would hate to see unrealized
There was school, but not everyone has the same class schedule so Jordan might have gone home 1-2 days ago. I'm not going to bash a kid without all of the facts.
It's a shame that more students didn't go to the press conference. Was an okay turn out (for short notice) but most other schools would have had a packed house.
It's a shame that St.John's students have zero school pride. That's what other schools have that St.John's doesn't have. Their students really are different. It's too bad they can't hire that.
This is true.
For a long time, I could understand the apathy. The Norm years were rough.
But the team was exciting and competitive under Lavin. Student support should be better. We're not a cellar dweller anymore.
And the school has ponied up the money for two headline coaches in a row now. The school is doing their part.
Honestly, the school needs to start giving out student tickets more easily. Place should be packed with students. And schedule games according to the class schedule.
If we're going to play CW Post or Eastern Idaho why does it have to be on a Friday night on Thanksgiving break?
Agree. An event like yesterday was free so the money issue excuse is out the window. Maybe if they gave out free t-shirts more students would have showed up.
I try to put myself in the position of a current student. And being a basketball fanatic like I was in college. And I'm out of state instead of being a commuter like I was in college.
It's my Easter recess starting April 2nd-6th.
Scenario one - I have no classes on the 1st. I head home. I've already called up coach, and I've let him know I will speak to him the first day he's available when I'm back on campus.
Scenario two - I have class on the 1st. I check schedule to see if I have class just before, during, or after the presser. I arrange my time to be there at some point if possible. If not, I ask my professor if I can attend for that day, find out the assignment if any.
Scenario three - I have classes all day on the 1st. I am blowing them all off, and will be there the entire before, during and after the presser. I plan to take photos with Coach and all the esteemed basketball alums, get their autographs, ask for advice moving forward, and chat it up with Prez Gempenshaw. I chat with Matt and ask him to look over some of my game film so that he might notice anything new I can work on to improve my game before summer workouts start.
Scenarios one and two - most likely. Scenario 3 - me dreaming as I stand on the court for intramurals that Monday night...
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
They could have learned something for sure - great thought
One area out of many I feel really good about - almost everything Chris talked about involved heavy preparation. There's no secret to it, but it takes the right motivators as a staff to get an entire team committed to being the best they can be. I thought the guys played much better as a team this season, but there are so many areas to work on that we did not excel on this season. Average, Good, Above Average, Very Good, yes. But excel - maybe Dom's recovery abilities in making steals/blocks. Chris will pursue excellence in all facets of the game because he knows the nuances.
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
Was very impressed with our new President. He understands the importance of SJU hoops and appears to be a fan of basketball as he stated himself basketball was his first sport. As long as we have the backing of the President, no reason why this program cannot be successful.
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
Was very impressed with our new President. He understands the importance of SJU hoops and appears to be a fan of basketball as he stated himself basketball was his first sport. As long as we have the backing of the President, no reason why this program cannot be successful.
yes. was also happy to hear him say he attended practices.
i also saw him in the stands in Charlotte. Good to have his support.
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
Also was 1:30 the best time to do the press conference? No idea just wondering.
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
To the consternation of many professors. Placing athletics over academics. Very few complaints from the students.
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
Also was 1:30 the best time to do the press conference? No idea just wondering.
Yes--it gave local TV to be there and make the 5PM news (and later). Gave print guys time to write and get to Indianapolis to cover final 4. In addition, it got Chris interview with our "Illustious" alumni on FAN and let FS 1 eat into his TV time and cover the conference which was better than Mike's bloviating.
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I did like what I heard out of the new President. He seems fully committed to making this a big-time basketball program again.
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And gave him plenty of time for recruiting calls after all that was over.
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
To the consternation of many professors. Placing athletics over academics. Very few complaints from the students.
I love the basketball team, but I would be up in arms if a professor ever encouraged us to miss class for an athletics-related press conference.
Completely unacceptable.
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
Also was 1:30 the best time to do the press conference? No idea just wondering.
Yes--it gave local TV to be there and make the 5PM news (and later). Gave print guys time to write and get to Indianapolis to cover final 4. In addition, it got Chris interview with our "Illustious" alumni on FAN and let FS 1 eat into his TV time and cover the conference which was better than Mike's bloviating.
Good points.
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
To the consternation of many professors. Placing athletics over academics. Very few complaints from the students.
I love the basketball team, but I would be up in arms if a professor ever encouraged us to miss class for an athletics-related press conference.
Completely unacceptable.
I am supposed to be laughing hysterically right now, no?
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
To the consternation of many professors. Placing athletics over academics. Very few complaints from the students.
I love the basketball team, but I would be up in arms if a professor ever encouraged us to miss class for an athletics-related press conference.
Completely unacceptable.
I am supposed to be laughing hysterically right now, no?
priorities.
At the end of the day sports is just a form of entertainment.
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
To the consternation of many professors. Placing athletics over academics. Very few complaints from the students.
I love the basketball team, but I would be up in arms if a professor ever encouraged us to miss class for an athletics-related press conference.
Completely unacceptable.
I am supposed to be laughing hysterically right now, no?
priorities.
At the end of the day sports is just a form of entertainment.
Would be a good way to maybe drum up some support or school pride for some who otherwise could care less
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
To the consternation of many professors. Placing athletics over academics. Very few complaints from the students.
I love the basketball team, but I would be up in arms if a professor ever encouraged us to miss class for an athletics-related press conference.
Completely unacceptable.
I am supposed to be laughing hysterically right now, no?
priorities.
At the end of the day sports is just a form of entertainment.
Would be a good way to maybe drum up some support or school pride for some who otherwise could care less
I'm with you on that.
But there are only so many class hours in a semester. 14 weeks.
And it sends the wrong message, that sports is more important than class.
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Lets be honest, St Johns has a very large and diverse student base. Not everyone cares about basketball.. COuple that with the fact this was kind of a last minute thing as well as being "get-away" day for Easter break.. I'm sure a lot of kids had arrangements to get out of dodge that they weren't going to change for an introductory presser... Plus, the crowd was great from all accounts? How many did you expect? 6k?
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
To the consternation of many professors. Placing athletics over academics. Very few complaints from the students.
I love the basketball team, but I would be up in arms if a professor ever encouraged us to miss class for an athletics-related press conference.
Completely unacceptable.
I am supposed to be laughing hysterically right now, no?
priorities.
At the end of the day sports is just a form of entertainment.
Would be a good way to maybe drum up some support or school pride for some who otherwise could care less
I'm with you on that.
But there are only so many class hours in a semester. 14 weeks.
And it sends the wrong message, that sports is more important than class.
Not to mention theres been a ton of closures/late openings because of snow this semester
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1 hour of missed class won't destroy your college experience
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
To the consternation of many professors. Placing athletics over academics. Very few complaints from the students.
I love the basketball team, but I would be up in arms if a professor ever encouraged us to miss class for an athletics-related press conference.
Completely unacceptable.
I am supposed to be laughing hysterically right now, no?
priorities.
At the end of the day sports is just a form of entertainment.
It sure is. I was joking. No professors would have let me out of class. We would get written up if we missed more than three classes per semester (Manhattan - I think they might still have that rule)
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
To the consternation of many professors. Placing athletics over academics. Very few complaints from the students.
I love the basketball team, but I would be up in arms if a professor ever encouraged us to miss class for an athletics-related press conference.
Completely unacceptable.
I am supposed to be laughing hysterically right now, no?
priorities.
At the end of the day sports is just a form of entertainment.
It sure is. I was joking. No professors would have let me out of class. We would get written up if we missed more than three classes per semester (Manhattan - I think they might still have that rule)
Kids miss a lot of classes these days. I was always afraid to miss as I did not want to create extra work for myself. My kid is a student athlete and they never check on his missed classes.
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He only averaged 3 turnovers per game.
Only? That 3 average led the team by a lot and he played a lot less minutes than the senior three. His assist/to ratio was terrible for a guard. Plus, who can forget against Gonzaga when he threw the game with a conference record? nine turnovers.
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President could've told all the professors to bring their classes to the press conference.
To the consternation of many professors. Placing athletics over academics. Very few complaints from the students.
I love the basketball team, but I would be up in arms if a professor ever encouraged us to miss class for an athletics-related press conference.
Completely unacceptable.
I am supposed to be laughing hysterically right now, no?
priorities.
At the end of the day sports is just a form of entertainment.
It sure is. I was joking. No professors would have let me out of class. We would get written up if we missed more than three classes per semester (Manhattan - I think they might still have that rule)
Kids miss a lot of classes these days. I was always afraid to miss as I did not want to create extra work for myself. My kid is a student athlete and they never check on his missed classes.
Does your son go to a big school, or is it smaller? The professors with those big auditorium classes of 300-500 students don't seem to mind.
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As the season went on Jordan largely corrected his turnover issue.
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As the season went on Jordan largely corrected his turnover issue.
Jordan was great down the stretch. Should he return, he will be the best talent in the Big East.
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@AdamZagoria: St. John's coach Chris Mullin offered 6-10 2018 Naz Reid of Roselle Catholic today, per his coach. Good idea, kid is a beast.
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As the season went on Jordan largely corrected his turnover issue.
Jordan was great down the stretch. Should he return, he will be the best talent in the Big East.
Agree 100% iff Kris Dunn doesnt stay. Still would be close.
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Re: school on Wednesday.
Wednesdays are only three hour classes. So if you don't have a three hour class you don't have to go to school.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/st-johns-mullin-making-recruiting-moves-offers-naz-reid-transfers-to-visit/
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/st-johns-mullin-making-recruiting-moves-offers-naz-reid-transfers-to-visit/
zags taking credit?
"Both players were targets we suggested Mullin should offer."
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"Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ."
Dave, it's almost midnight - I'm waiting 8)
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http://nypost.com/2015/04/02/chris-mullin-making-push-for-this-top-nyc-recruit/
Mullin and Abdelmassih were planning to speak with a number of local coaches Wednesday night and Abdelmassih said they will be extending scholarship offers “galore these next couple of days.”
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@AdamZagoria
St. John's will be in New Orleans & Dallas for the first AAU weekend April 10 and will then begin home visits April 17, per source.
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What I'm saying about Jordan as a point guard...if you want to say that as a recruiting tool, that's great. On-court, not ready to hand him 30-35 minutes a night as the primary point guard. Great option for offense, no doubt about it.
But it isn't just the turnovers. Point guards need to get people involved and too many times it was Sheed bringing it down and taking a jumper or a drive. A lot of those missed shots are turnovers.
We need a mature, pass first PG. Hope Sheed comes back, but needs to be more committed and focused than he has been the last two seasons.
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Mullin's first recruit should be on board by end of week. Expect the scoop on JJ.
Recruitment will move fast but I'd temper expectations for Cheick Diallo. His recruitment will take some time to unfold. A lot of ground needs to be made up there.
Damion Lee will definitely be a target and his family ties in the area will certainly help.
Other 5th year transfer guards will be targets. The bigs most likely will be JUCOs.
Goal is to win now and balance out scholarship distribution. Coach A specializes in such.
Is this still happening? Or did something go wrong?
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It's great how the Chris and Matt reached out to Sima. I'd recommend one of the next out of state calls goes to old friend Jay Murphy to see if there's any chance Tomas would consider taking a look at what he's doing here. Tomas will be a really versatile 4 as I posted a while back.
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We need Rysheed back if we want any hope of going to the ncaas again. Point guards don't grow on trees, and he'd be among the best in the conference if he returned.
Honestly, I think he could strive in a Mullin system. Assuming we play a pro style, Rysheed has the best court vision on the team, can make those cross court passes, and runs the pick n roll well.
My gut tells me it's a long shot, but we'll see.
But is he a point guard or even close to one? He hasn't been the past two seasons. Don't get me wrong, I want him back, but establishing a winning culture has already started and no coach can ever let one guy jeopardize that...it's a slippery slope.
He needs to be all in or it won't work. His games won't cut it with Mullin at the helm.
I think he's a 2 who can make a good pass. If he wants to be a point he must reach out to everybody he can for help. He can be a better 2 learning to play without the ball in his hands. That might be the way to go.
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While none of us knows the final outcome of this year's recruiting efforts, it sure sounds better than it was two weeks ago.
We might even have a good team this coming season. Lets hope so!