6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2016 Class => Topic started by: jmattera83 on April 17, 2013, 08:38:34 AM
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http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1494141#sthash.GDz7wDys.dpbs (http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1494141#sthash.GDz7wDys.dpbs)
He had a phenomenal year for the Knights averaging 25 points and 12 rebounds a game playing as a hybrid 3/4 type for the Bronx school. On Friday he continued to prove why he is one of the best, helping lead the PSAL to the Mayor's Cup title with 20 points. We caught up with Ahmed after the game to get the scoop as to what's going on with his recruitment.
With his numbers, and the fact he played with New Heights 17's last summer, you would think Ahmed would be rolling with interest and offers, but academic question marks have held him back, though he says he is starting to receive some attention now.
"I have an offer from Norfolk State, and St. John's, Providence, and Iona are showing interest." Ahmed said.
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http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1494141#sthash.GDz7wDys.dpbs (http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1494141#sthash.GDz7wDys.dpbs)
He had a phenomenal year for the Knights averaging 25 points and 12 rebounds a game playing as a hybrid 3/4 type for the Bronx school. On Friday he continued to prove why he is one of the best, helping lead the PSAL to the Mayor's Cup title with 20 points. We caught up with Ahmed after the game to get the scoop as to what's going on with his recruitment.
With his numbers, and the fact he played with New Heights 17's last summer, you would think Ahmed would be rolling with interest and offers, but academic question marks have held him back, though he says he is starting to receive some attention now.
"I have an offer from Norfolk State, and St. John's, Providence, and Iona are showing interest." Ahmed said.
Have we ever gotten a New Heights kid? Quite a range of schools there! Beware of academic questions.
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Obekpa ran with New Heights last spring during the April live periods if that counts I believe.
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John isn't Bashir a 2014 kid?
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Obekpa ran with New Heights last spring during the April live periods if that counts I believe.
That's right, thanks.
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He quite possibly can be maybe i read the article wrong. It's early LOL.
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Saw him last night at wheelchair, needs to add some weight. Good skills , scoring machine , legit 6'4.5. Heard he has no grades though and is 19 already. Probably headed to juco
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Obekpa ran with New Heights last spring during the April live periods if that counts I believe.
So did Felix
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For those interested he matches up with isaiah whitehead tonight in the final bronx vs Brooklyn , York college 8pm wheelchair classic final
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“@GothamHoops: @GlennSanabria of @NewHeightsNYC discusses @TheHoopGroup Philly Jam Fest, @BKYSC Spring Invitational and more http://www.gothamhoops.com/?p=6017 (http://www.gothamhoops.com/?p=6017)”
"Bashir Ahmed, New Heights (John F. Kennedy): Ahmed undoubtedly made his presence felt throughout the tournament. The electrifying 6-6 wing sparked an incredible come-from-behind victory over the New Jersey Playaz to move onto the 17U Gold Bracket semi-finals on Saturday. Ahmed’s phenomenal athleticism was on display as well, causing havoc for opponents on both ends of the floor."
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“@TheRecruitScoop: 2014 New Heights (NY) wing Bashir Ahmed has been terrific at drawing contact in the lane here at the #RUMBLE2013. He's versatile & athletic.”
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Doesn't appear he is BE level, but who knows.
“@TheRecruitScoop: Here's my recap of the top performers from this weekend's Rumble in the Bronx - http://recruitscoop.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1514162 (http://recruitscoop.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1514162)”
Bashir Ahmed, New Heights, 2014 6-foot-6 wing - Ahmed is long, athletic and always in attack mode. A leader by his play on the court, and will to win, the New York native excels at making contact in order to finish at the basket, or simply get to the free throw line. Ahmed will likely enroll at The Robinson School (NJ) for his final year, but his recruitment is off to a strong start this spring. He holds three offers: Iona, Hofstra and Manhattan. Schools such as Delaware, Quinnipiac, Wagner, Creighton, Buffalo and Oklahoma State have shown interest. The rising senior hopes to begin taking visits at the conclusion of the July Live Period.
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“@JonRothstein: The Robinson School's Bashir Ahmed has committed to Iona, per a source. 6-7.”
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“@JonRothstein: The Robinson School's Bashir Ahmed has committed to Iona, per a source. 6-7.”
He is no where near 6'7
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“@JonRothstein: The Robinson School's Bashir Ahmed has committed to Iona, per a source. 6-7.”
He is no where near 6'7
Ya he would be 8 foot tall if he went to St Johns
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“@JonRothstein: The Robinson School's Bashir Ahmed has committed to Iona, per a source. 6-7.”
He is no where near 6'7
Ya he would be 8 foot tall if he went to St Johns
If he went to sju he would have been a top 100 recruit.
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“@JonRothstein: The Robinson School's Bashir Ahmed has committed to Iona, per a source. 6-7.”
He is no where near 6'7
Ya he would be 8 foot tall if he went to St Johns
and shoot bolts of lightning out of his arse
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“@JonRothstein: The Robinson School's Bashir Ahmed has committed to Iona, per a source. 6-7.”
He is no where near 6'7
Ya he would be 8 foot tall if he went to St Johns
and shoot bolts of lightning out of his arse
Hahahha. Post of the year candidate
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“@TheRecruitScoop: 2014 Iona commit Bashir Ahmed of Robinson School has re-opened his recruitment, per a source.”
“@TheRecruitScoop: Since opening up his recruitment from Iona, 2014 Robinson School (NJ) wing Bashir Ahmed has received offers from Kansas State & Dayton.”
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“@TheRecruitScoop: 2014 Iona commit Bashir Ahmed of Robinson School has re-opened his recruitment, per a source.”
“@TheRecruitScoop: Since opening up his recruitment from Iona, 2014 Robinson School (NJ) wing Bashir Ahmed has received offers from Kansas State & Dayton.”
The dreaded reopening of recruitment. Iona at about 2% now, if not zero....I have to go to the Cluess thread to find out what's going on from Baldi
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@JucoRecruiting: Name to remember for 2016 JUCO class: Bashir Ahmed of Hutch. Brought it @JUCOShowcase this weekend. Will be one top JC prospects in the US
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http://www.hutchnews.com/sports/reserves-spur-hcc-over-lamar/article_365ffc10-ce67-52df-93e7-ad8272b1026c.html (http://www.hutchnews.com/sports/reserves-spur-hcc-over-lamar/article_365ffc10-ce67-52df-93e7-ad8272b1026c.html)
Bashir had 16 points in win with four 3s.His outside stroke seems to have improved. He & Freeman may not be a bad package deal.
This should be moved to 15 list btw. Thx,
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I apologize. He is a 16 recruit.
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@JucoRecruiting: Name to remember for 2016 JUCO class: Bashir Ahmed of Hutch. Brought it @JUCOShowcase this weekend. Will be one top JC prospects in the US
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http://www.hutchnews.com/sports/juco_small_college/ahmed-points-remains-hot-as-blue-dragons-prevail/article_ea9db192-63dd-5315-866b-d9344668a6c9.html
Freeman had twelve points, but was under the weather a bit.
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Stay tuned. Offer?
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This kid out up very good numbers last year and at 6'6 215 sign me up for that
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Juco Honorable Mention this year, developing good three point stroke, a point of emphasis of new regime. Expect offer very soon. it is clear staff is working hard to balance roster and systematically recruit, avoid quick fixes & last minute signings. Nice!
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It is going to be nice to see the perspective of Mullin and staff placing a premium on getting good sound basketball players rather than just the "upside" point of view.
Yes you do need those freak athletes but also you need kids who are lunch pail players.
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Stay tuned. Offer?
Chris Mullin offered JUCO freshman Bashir Ahmed of Hutch CC last night per source #sjubb
9:55am - 3 Apr 15
Zach tweet
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For this coming year or year after?
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Stay tuned. Offer?
Chris Mullin offered JUCO freshman Bashir Ahmed of Hutch CC last night per source #sjubb
9:55am - 3 Apr 15
Zach tweet
I would have liked to get some word out to Freeman which we have not heard but perhaps it's because we are heavily involved with Darien Williams.
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For this coming year or year after?
I think he's a 2016
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For this coming year or year after?
I think he's a 2016
Yes
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For this coming year or year after?
I think he's a 2016
Yes
Would he stay Juco or transfer now, sit a year and have 3 yrs of eligibility left?
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For this coming year or year after?
I think he's a 2016
Yes
Would he stay Juco or transfer now, sit a year and have 3 yrs of eligibility left?
Will stay Juco & come in 16
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For this coming year or year after?
I think he's a 2016
Yes
Would he stay Juco or transfer now, sit a year and have 3 yrs of eligibility left?
Will stay Juco & come in 16
got it, thanks
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Paultzman....is the pizza for slice or for the Italian kid?
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Paultzman....is the pizza for slice or for the Italian kid?
Don't open a detective agency :)
Just adding to the obvious & having some fun
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Paultzman....is the pizza for slice or for the Italian kid?
Don't open a detective agency :)
Just adding to the obvious & having some fun
Nice Slice!
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Paultzman....is the pizza for slice or for the Italian kid?
Don't open a detective agency :)
Just adding to the obvious & having some fun
I'm getting hungry now LOL You know I can't get good stuff like that here in LA.
Back on topic, some kids need to stay the 2 years in JUCO to get their AA as they are only partial or non qualifiers. If you get your AA you will no longer need an SAT or ACT score and they also make up for any core classes missed in HS.
A partial qualifier can go to JUCO for a year and make up the classes or get the SAT or ACT score they need on the sliding scale. (Higher GPA and lower SAT score for example)
Some kids just end up in JUCO to get a better 4 year offer later
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_MjSVcbnTM
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@NYPost_Brazille
Also, OSNA"s Kassoum Yakwe and JUCO standout Bashir Ahmed visiting #sjubb unofficially this weekend, source says.
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@NYPost_Brazille
Also, OSNA"s Kassoum Yakwe and JUCO standout Bashir Ahmed visiting #sjubb unofficially this weekend, source says.
Braziller messing with Marillac for pay back?
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@NYPost_Brazille
Also, OSNA"s Kassoum Yakwe and JUCO standout Bashir Ahmed visiting #sjubb unofficially this weekend, source says.
Braziller messing with Marillac for pay back?
Marillawhack
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Staff is all over him.. Kid is a pro scorer
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@NYPost_Brazille
Also, OSNA"s Kassoum Yakwe and JUCO standout Bashir Ahmed visiting #sjubb unofficially this weekend, source says.
That makes it a pretty big weekend for us, not only for the 15' class, but the 16' class as well. Ahmed is excellent at going to the basket with both hands. Hard to stop off the dribble. Nice to hear they are visiting.
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Staff is all over him.. Kid is a pro scorer
He really has improved his outside shot since his JFK, the Bronx, days if I am recalling correctly.
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I worked at JFK for a few years, and always wondered if Bashir would be a Johnnie, or if we'd show interest.
Sounds like the staff is on him, and are living up to their word of recruiting NY hard.
I dig the approach.
Our backyard is so fertile, that we really only need an out of state prospect or two per year. Staff is taking the right approach, which is promising. They are leaving no stone unturned.
Love the direction we are heading in.
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I worked at JFK for a few years, and always wondered if Bashir would be a Johnnie, or if we'd show interest.
Sounds like the staff is on him, and are living up to their word of recruiting NY hard.
I dig the approach.
Our backyard is so fertile, that we really only need an out of state prospect or two per year. Staff is taking the right approach, which is promising. They are leaving no stone unturned.
Love the direction we are heading in.
I think the staff will look primarily at high scvhool kids for 2016 so adding a Juco like Ahmed will be ideal
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I worked at JFK for a few years, and always wondered if Bashir would be a Johnnie, or if we'd show interest.
Sounds like the staff is on him, and are living up to their word of recruiting NY hard.
I dig the approach.
Our backyard is so fertile, that we really only need an out of state prospect or two per year. Staff is taking the right approach, which is promising. They are leaving no stone unturned.
Love the direction we are heading in.
I think the staff will look primarily at high scvhool kids for 2016 so adding a Juco like Ahmed will be ideal
If the grad transfer rule hasn't been amended to force them to sit out, I think we'll nab another 1-2. We lose Johnson, M'Vouika, Obekpa, Balamou, and Jones at a minimum...perhaps Jordan as well. That is a lot to lose without replacing with experienced guys. This is what makes picking up Larrier so important. Larrier, Owens, and Ahmed could help soften that blow.
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I worked at JFK for a few years, and always wondered if Bashir would be a Johnnie, or if we'd show interest.
Sounds like the staff is on him, and are living up to their word of recruiting NY hard.
I dig the approach.
Our backyard is so fertile, that we really only need an out of state prospect or two per year. Staff is taking the right approach, which is promising. They are leaving no stone unturned.
Love the direction we are heading in.
Think I coached against him . He killed us.
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I worked at JFK for a few years, and always wondered if Bashir would be a Johnnie, or if we'd show interest.
Sounds like the staff is on him, and are living up to their word of recruiting NY hard.
I dig the approach.
Our backyard is so fertile, that we really only need an out of state prospect or two per year. Staff is taking the right approach, which is promising. They are leaving no stone unturned.
Love the direction we are heading in.
I think the staff will look primarily at high scvhool kids for 2016 so adding a Juco like Ahmed will be ideal
Sure would. Balancing out the roster is vital.
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I worked at JFK for a few years, and always wondered if Bashir would be a Johnnie, or if we'd show interest.
Sounds like the staff is on him, and are living up to their word of recruiting NY hard.
I dig the approach.
Our backyard is so fertile, that we really only need an out of state prospect or two per year. Staff is taking the right approach, which is promising. They are leaving no stone unturned.
Love the direction we are heading in.
Think I coached against him . He killed us.
Great player, tons of upside.
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Matt A has long time relationship with Bashir, having recruited him to ISU. I sense that could pay off. We'll see.
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Matt A has long time relationship with Bashir, having recruited him to ISU. I sense that could pay off. We'll see.
Would be nice to get 2016 started soon after we finish off these last 2 ships for 2015.
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Matt A has long time relationship with Bashir, having recruited him to ISU. I sense that could pay off. We'll see.
I'll take Bashir and Heron.
As much it would pain me to hear he popped for Iona first.
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http://zagsblog.com/st-johns/juco-star-bashir-ahmed-enjoys-st-johns-visit-on-big-recruiting-weekend/
Kid really seemed to enjoy the visit. Other then him committing to us doesn't seem like it could have gone much better. Would be a great start to a hugely important '16 class.
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Great quotes. This kid's ceiling is crazy. He has true first round potential if he can smooth out the few rough areas of his game and put on some weight.
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Sensing staff wants to get a commitment soon;
@JucoRecruiting: Bashir Ahmed (6'6/2016/Hutchinson CC) holds offers from Cinci, Rutgers, St. John's + others: http://t.co/kXNTi3b6J1 http://t.co/uzHJtxuEy9
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@AdamZagoria: JUCO wing Bashir Ahmed took an unofficial to Rutgers today, source tells @SNYtv . Recently visited St. John's too.
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http://zagsblog.com/rutgers/juco-star-bashir-ahmed-visits-rutgers/
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria · 46m46 minutes ago Avalon, NJ
St. John's saw 2016 JUCO wing Bashir Ahmed this weekend in St. Louis
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This probable JC first team AA will be a Johnny I sense;
@NYPost_Brazille: To give #sjubb fans idea of what staff thinks of top JUCO target Bashir Ahmed: Mullin, Slice and Matt A all went to see him last week.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Elite JUCO prospect Bashir Ahmed to visit #sjubb weekend of Sept. 26 for official, source confirms. @JonRothstein had it first.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Elite JUCO prospect Bashir Ahmed to visit #sjubb weekend of Sept. 26 for official, source confirms. @JonRothstein had it first.
Hey Gil
Are you still feeling good here?
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@NYPost_Brazille: Elite JUCO prospect Bashir Ahmed to visit #sjubb weekend of Sept. 26 for official, source confirms. @JonRothstein had it first.
Hey Gil
Are you still feeling good here?
:) Btw, congrats on winning that PGA event yesterday. Dead ringer? :)
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@NYPost_Brazille: Elite JUCO prospect Bashir Ahmed to visit #sjubb weekend of Sept. 26 for official, source confirms. @JonRothstein had it first.
Hey Gil
Are you still feeling good here?
:) Btw, congrats on winning that PGA event yesterday. Dead ringer? :)
I shaved :)
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@JucoRecruiting: Bashir Ahmed (6'6/G/2016) from Hutchinson CC will take official visits to Cincinnati (Sept 18) & St. John's (Sept 26) http://t.co/kXNTi2TvRt
@JucoRecruiting: Bashir Ahmed will also take an official visit to Lousiville in late September, but exact date hasn't been finalized http://t.co/AB2Qu9gtZ4
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@JucoRecruiting: Bashir Ahmed (6'6/G/2016) from Hutchinson CC will take official visits to Cincinnati (Sept 18) & St. John's (Sept 26) http://t.co/kXNTi2TvRt
@JucoRecruiting: Bashir Ahmed will also take an official visit to Lousiville in late September, but exact date hasn't been finalized http://t.co/AB2Qu9gtZ4
Well the last weekend of September is Friday 9/25 thru Sunday 9/27 which is SJU's visit. Unless he takes a visit during the middle of the week not sure how it can be in "late September?"
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Signing in the early period in November?
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I know Rutgers is feeling very good about landing this kid.
I didn't know Louisville was that involved.
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I know Rutgers is feeling very good about landing this kid.
I didn't know Louisville was that involved.
Sense it is a two program race: SJU & Rutgers. We'll see.
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I know Rutgers is feeling very good about landing this kid.
I didn't know Louisville was that involved.
Sense it is a two program race: SJU & Rutgers. We'll see.
Hearing Cincy and SJU with lean towards SJU.
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@JonRothstein: JUCO wing Bashir Ahmed (Hutchinson CC) will visit Rutgers on 9/12, source told @CBSSports. St. John's, Cincinnati, & Louisville in mix.
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What happened to the supposed sure thing and his great love of SJU?
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What happened to the supposed sure thing and his great love of SJU?
How can you say no to Rutgers?
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What happened to the supposed sure thing and his great love of SJU?
How can you say no to Rutgers?
Thanks Poison. You made my day. But seriously now how can we lose this player to Rutgers ( not saying that we will but how could this even be part of a discussion ).
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What happened to the supposed sure thing and his great love of SJU?
How can you say no to Rutgers?
Thanks Poison. You made my day. But seriously now how can we lose this player to Rutgers ( not saying that we will but how could this even be part of a discussion ).
Major reason to go to St.John's and Rutgers is to give your family and friends the opportunity to see your games live without paying for travel. That's a nice to do for your family - provided you like them, and provided that there is at the very least, a decent option locally.
I don't recall off hand if Rutgers has improved at all since Eddie Jordan took over. I believe this is year 3 coming up for him, and if it isn't clear that the program is headed in the right direction, I think its safe to say that going to RU is a risk on par with playing for Norm Roberts at STJ.
Coach Mullin, much like Lavin before him, has the "honeymoon period" on his side. (For now) Once the ball goes up, we need to see what Mullin can point to as a selling point. We don't to make the NCAAs to show recruits that we're headed in the direction, but we do need to look like a well coached group, and that's going to take a big effort in year one with almost zero continuity.
I do believe, however, that these kids will respect and listen to Coach's philosophy on conditioning, practice and in-game approach. Coach Mullin has a pedigree, and I don't think he's going to have to tell his guys to work harder, because he's sought out hard workers - which will be refreshing.
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Another difference: our history, by and large, destroys Rutgers from a men's basketball perspective. Even over the last 15 years (end of Jarvis/Norm/Lavin/Mully), we have had some moments. We have guys in the league. And, when we are having any semblance of a solid season, we get substantial (and sometimes national) attention. Rutgers doesn't have that, and the only men's basketball attention it has received in recent years was for negative reasons (Rice).
Jordan has some NBA credit and Rutgers move to the Big 10 is a selling point from a basketball perspective. But I think we have much more to offer.
That said, we have won recruiting battles over schools that have had far more success recently. So while I've read/heard that we are the favorite for Ahmed, I wouldn't count out Rutgers.
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While nothing is definite until a recruit commits, I would like our chances, if it is us vs. RU. I forgot they even had a team.
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For a JUCO with 2 years left playing time will be a big factor as he has to have a "resume" for a future job.
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Rutgers is a program that's been stuck in place forever. They're never going to amount to anything in the Big 10. That said, they have been able to sign some highly rated guys including a few nice 4 stars over the last 5 years. Mostly due to their recruiting hooks down in DC/MD area and a few other areas. I suspect this will remain the same as long as Jordan is the coach as he has DC roots as well. It doesn't change the fact that they will continue to be a bottom feeder in their conference.
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Another difference: our history, by and large, destroys Rutgers from a men's basketball perspective. Even over the last 15 years (end of Jarvis/Norm/Lavin/Mully), we have had some moments. We have guys in the league. And, when we are having any semblance of a solid season, we get substantial (and sometimes national) attention. Rutgers doesn't have that, and the only men's basketball attention it has received in recent years was for negative reasons (Rice).
Jordan has some NBA credit and Rutgers move to the Big 10 is a selling point from a basketball perspective. But I think we have much more to offer.
That said, we have won recruiting battles over schools that have had far more success recently. So while I've read/heard that we are the favorite for Ahmed, I wouldn't count out Rutgers.
I don't think kids care that we were good 25 years ago. How can they relate to that?
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Likely Poison. But there guardians, parents or advisors might. And they definitely care IMO that we play in the Garden, not New Brunswick, that our coach is a legend, and that he has a NBA background.
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http://www.onthebanks.com/2015/9/7/9252321/rutgers-basketball-recruiting-eddie-jordan-kwe-parker-taurean-thompson-deriante-jenkins
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Busy week! I appreciate how hard these guys are working.
@NYPost_Brazille: #sjubb will also see JUCO star Bashir Ahmed Thursday in Kansas.
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Busy week! I appreciate how hard these guys are working.
@NYPost_Brazille: #sjubb will also see JUCO star Bashir Ahmed Thursday in Kansas.
Wednesday Contact/Recruiting Period starts. Coaches can hit the road for in-home visits.
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Busy week! I appreciate how hard these guys are working.
@NYPost_Brazille: #sjubb will also see JUCO star Bashir Ahmed Thursday in Kansas.
Wednesday Contact/Recruiting Period starts. Coaches can hit the road for in-home visits.
Yup
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@NYPost_Brazille: In addition to meeting with JUCO Bashir Ahmed tomorrow, #sjubb staff will be at Putnam Science Academy for Hamidou Diallo and Eric Ayala
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From Brad Winton interview yesterday;
@LvilleSprtsLive: .@JucoRecruiting told us that UofL made contact in mid-August w/ Bashir Ahmed & that he's likely to make an official visit in late September
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@JonRothstein: JUCO wing Bashir Ahmed (Hutchinson CC) will visit Rutgers on 9/12, source told @CBSSports. St. John's, Cincinnati, & Louisville in mix.
Supposedly, he's not making the visit to Rutgers this weekend.
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http://nypost.com/2015/09/11/well-traveled-bronx-product-hot-commodity-as-juco-transfer/
Close the deal Matt!
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@NYPost_Brazille: Doesn't appear like JUCO target Bashir Ahmed will visit Rutgers as scheduled this weekend. #rhoops #sjubb
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@JucoRecruiting: Rick Pitino & two assistants were at Hutchinson CC today to watch Bashir Ahmed. Chris Mullin + asst at Hutch as well http://t.co/AB2Qu9gtZ4
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/after-postponing-rutgers-visit-bashir-ahmed-planning-three-trips-planned/
If I were a Rutgers fan I wouldn't get my hopes up again.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/after-postponing-rutgers-visit-bashir-ahmed-planning-three-trips-planned/
If I were a Rutgers fan I wouldn't get my hopes up again.
Fwiw, I spoke with Rutgers recruiting Twitter guy yesterday, who heard Rutgers ship has sailed on this one. We'll see.
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Rutgers ship has sailed or SJU ship sailed?
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Rutgers ship has sailed or SJU ship sailed?
Rutgers
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Yeah I figured he wouldn't be visiting us otherwise. Geez that went down hill quickly for Rutgers
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@JonRothstein: JUCO wing Bashir Ahmed (Hutchinson CC) will visit Cincinnati this weekend. Visits St. John's next weekend. Talented scorer. #sjubb
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/bashir-ahmed-set-for-st-johns-visit-following-cincinnati-trip/
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Per Zags, at Louisville today.
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Good, let him get a little mid week'er in at louisville.
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I believe pitino visited him today and not the other way around. Sill planning a visit to Louisville in the future.
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I believe pitino visited him today and not the other way around. Sill planning a visit to Louisville in the future.
Correct
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@NYPost_Brazille: Told Bashir Ahmed visit went "great" as most officials do. #sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: Elite JUCO wing Bashir Ahmed said he hasn't set Louisville visit yet, but plans to take it at some point. #sjubb
@NYPost_Brazille: Bashir Ahmed on #sjubb: "The coaches are very close with their players. I got a chance to play with them and i think it's a great fit."
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Still very confident right Paultz?
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Still very confident right Paultz?
Optimistic
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@NYPost_Brazille: Bashir Ahmed on #sjubb: "St. John's was great. I enjoyed going back home. The team is like a family and I felt I was apart of their family."
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Still very confident right Paultz?
Optimistic
The avi knows all.
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https://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1809120
All in all, considering Ahmed's apparent desire to be close to home, and his longstanding relationship with Matt Abdelmassih (as reported by the New York Post), St. John's should probably be considered the favorite for him, although it's too early to pencil him into the lineup just yet. If it does come to fruition however, it will be another win over top flight competition for the Johnnies, will fill a huge hole on the wing for 2016, and also balance out classes since he will only be around for two years. And from the sounds of things, there is a very good chance we will see that.
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We got Yawke and Ponds. Give me Bashir and my cup is filled. If that comes to fruition, we will have a very good, well balanced team. Anyone else would be gravy
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We got Yawke and Ponds. Give me Bashir and my cup is filled. If that comes to fruition, we will have a very good, well balanced team. Anyone else would be gravy
Completely agree. Staff can recruit the 17 class hard and swing for a homer with the rest of the 16 class with very limited downside. Refreshing position for SJU
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It would be good to have one more bruiser, rebounding type...good for defense, five fouls a game, clog the middle type of player.....220lbs plus all muscle.....
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It would be good to have one more bruiser, rebounding type...good for defense, five fouls a game, clog the middle type of player.....220lbs plus all muscle.....
You've basically just elaborated on Yakwe's style of play. But, he doesn't seems like a "hacker," who'll pick up a bunch of fouls and he's probably not quite 220 lbs.
I'm not confident he'll suit up for us this season, but he'd certainly be a welcomed addition.
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I think we suffered greatly not having a few of that type of player the last few years. Agree on Yakwe, but it would be nice to have one more....to bang in the Big East (GT, Butler, even NOVA etc. ....someone (or two) with a real upperbody.....
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Someone who knows his role is to bang, play d and get boards. A junior college type. The guy with the fictional transcript from Westchester CC is a prototype of the type of need.
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Exactly....get the ball and give it to Lovett or Ponds etc.....make someone pay the price if they come into the lane.
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I think we suffered greatly not having a few of that type of player the last few years. Agree on Yakwe, but it would be nice to have one more....to bang in the Big East (GT, Butler, even NOVA etc. ....someone (or two) with a real upperbody.....
Darien Williams is 6'8" and 230 lbs...
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I wonder how much Bashir enjoyed his visit to Louisville?
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I wonder how much Bashir enjoyed his visit to Louisville?
Hasn't "come" yet. :)
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In addition, this recent sheitstorm at Louisville is going to bloom a bit. It can only help us. Tends to hurt teams when embroiled in scandal of some sort. Hoping the timing helps and he wants to come back home. Assuming it's he or Freuenberg...
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I think we suffered greatly not having a few of that type of player the last few years. Agree on Yakwe, but it would be nice to have one more....to bang in the Big East (GT, Butler, even NOVA etc. ....someone (or two) with a real upperbody.....
Darien Williams is 6'8" and 230 lbs...
And may turn out to be the star in the incoming group
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I wonder how much Bashir enjoyed his visit to Louisville?
Hasn't "come" yet. :)
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In addition, this recent sheitstorm at Louisville is going to bloom a bit. It can only help us. Tends to hurt teams when embroiled in scandal of some sort. Hoping the timing helps and he wants to come back home. Assuming it's he or Freuenberg...
Hasn't seemed to have hurt Cuse's recruiting so far. They were hit hard with penalties; twice.
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Love history:
Tell me about Rick Pitino and Reggie Carter
Tell me about Providence College and Soph All Conference forward from Brooklyn who left for Europe after it was discovered that recruits were provided head
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Love history:
Tell me about Rick Pitino and Reggie Carter
Tell me about Providence College and Soph All Conference forward from Brooklyn who left for Europe after it was discovered that recruits were provided head
Reggie Carter played for St.John's.
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Captain McCluskey; "How is the veal in this restaurant?"
The Turk; "Best in the City"
Captain McCluskey; "I'll have it"
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Captain McCluskey; "How is the veal in this restaurant?"
The Turk; "Best in the City"
Captain McCluskey; "I'll have it"
Awesome!
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Great thread about Bashir
Who are the two schools leading for Bashir? Louisville and St. John's. So a current scandal at Louisville relates directly to his recruitment.
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Per Zags not visiting Louisville. As I said earlier, Cincy biggest competition.
Be very surprised if not SJU.
AdamZagoria ·6 minutes ago
JUCO wing Bashir Ahmed tells me he no longer plans to visit Louisville. Has visited Cincinnati and St. John's.
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:)
@NYPost_Brazille: To follow up on @AdamZagoria report Bashir Ahmed not visiting Louisville told #sjubb will see him this weekend at JUCO showcase.
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Per Zags not visiting Louisville. As I said earlier, Cincy biggest competition.
Be very surprised if not SJU.
AdamZagoria ·6 minutes ago
JUCO wing Bashir Ahmed tells me he no longer plans to visit Louisville. Has visited Cincinnati and St. John's.
Awesome... Would be Great to add a top juco wing, and NYC kid to boot. Thank you Loisville!
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Live game on web tonight at 6:30...blue dragon sports network...oops football not basketball
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From Zach B today;
"St. John’s assistant Matt Abdelmassih will be in Dallas this weekend for the Mullin/Mitchell Jamboree, to see top JUCO target Bashir Ahmed of The Bronx. Ahmed has taken official visits to Cincinnati and St. John’s in recent weeks."
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From Zach B today;
"St. John’s assistant Matt Abdelmassih will be in Dallas this weekend for the Mullin/Mitchell Jamboree, to see top JUCO target Bashir Ahmed of The Bronx. Ahmed has taken official visits to Cincinnati and St. John’s in recent weeks."
From Zach B today;
"St. John’s assistant Matt Abdelmassih will be in Dallas this weekend for the Mullin/Mitchell Jamboree, to see top JUCO target Bashir Ahmed of The Bronx. Ahmed has taken official visits to Cincinnati and St. John’s in recent weeks."
See, now Paultzman confusing me with the Freudenberg avatar.
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From Zach B today;
"St. John’s assistant Matt Abdelmassih will be in Dallas this weekend for the Mullin/Mitchell Jamboree, to see top JUCO target Bashir Ahmed of The Bronx. Ahmed has taken official visits to Cincinnati and St. John’s in recent weeks."
From Zach B today;
"St. John’s assistant Matt Abdelmassih will be in Dallas this weekend for the Mullin/Mitchell Jamboree, to see top JUCO target Bashir Ahmed of The Bronx. Ahmed has taken official visits to Cincinnati and St. John’s in recent weeks."
See, now Paultzman confusing me with the Freudenberg avatar.
Perhaps we get both.
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Most recruiting sites saying we get this player. He would be a huge get for us.
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Most recruiting sites saying we get this player. He would be a huge get for us.
exact quote from a local assistant - "his transcript is a mess"
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You don't think we should take him PMG?
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Unlike the last staff, Mullin doesn't need to take chances hahaha
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Most recruiting sites saying we get this player. He would be a huge get for us.
exact quote from a local assistant - "his transcript is a mess"
Of course it is. Ugh.
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You don't think we should take him PMG?
Never said that... have heard very good things about his basketball ability and that he is a good guy ...
As a fan, I hate waiting on so many kids that are academic or Clearinghouse question marks..
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Agreed. And I know you didn't say that. Was just asking your take on the situation in light of the discussion you posted.
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Most recruiting sites saying we get this player. He would be a huge get for us.
exact quote from a local assistant - "his transcript is a mess"
Don't want to start a fight, but this is not true. The assistant must be talking about high school.
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If you are not qualified out of High School and go JUCO for 2 years it is near impossible for you not to qualify after that.
You would have to be a complete nice person. By then the NCAA is only interested in your 2 years at JUCO which means the JUCO would to have done something screwed up.
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If you are not qualified out of High School and go JUCO for 2 years it is near impossible for you not to qualify after that.
You would have to be a complete nice person. By then the NCAA is only interested in your 2 years at JUCO which means the JUCO would to have done something screwed up.
Sucks that we had a near impossible case a few years back.
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If you are not qualified out of High School and go JUCO for 2 years it is near impossible for you not to qualify after that.
You would have to be a complete nice person. By then the NCAA is only interested in your 2 years at JUCO which means the JUCO would to have done something screwed up.
Sucks that we had a near impossible case a few years back.
Who?
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If you are not qualified out of High School and go JUCO for 2 years it is near impossible for you not to qualify after that.
You would have to be a complete nice person. By then the NCAA is only interested in your 2 years at JUCO which means the JUCO would to have done something screwed up.
Sucks that we had a near impossible case a few years back.
Who?
I assume he means last year and Keith Thomas.
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If you are not qualified out of High School and go JUCO for 2 years it is near impossible for you not to qualify after that.
You would have to be a complete nice person. By then the NCAA is only interested in your 2 years at JUCO which means the JUCO would to have done something screwed up.
Sucks that we had a near impossible case a few years back.
Who?
I think he's referring to the kid who shot someone with a BB gun. Keith Thomas.
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Most recruiting sites saying we get this player. He would be a huge get for us.
exact quote from a local assistant - "his transcript is a mess"
Don't want to start a fight, but this is not true. The assistant must be talking about high school.
I hope you are right but I will take the word of the guy who has taken a look at the transcripts...
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To be eigible to play this year he needs to be a full time student and be passing. After 2 years of Juco he should have atleast 48 credits. Dont know all the rules but he should be fine.
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If you are not qualified out of High School and go JUCO for 2 years it is near impossible for you not to qualify after that.
You would have to be a complete nice person. By then the NCAA is only interested in your 2 years at JUCO which means the JUCO would to have done something screwed up.
Sucks that we had a near impossible case a few years back.
Who?
I assume he means last year and Keith Thomas.
Yeah Thomas. I know it's not exactly the same but I will never say impossible until a kid is on the court for our first regular season game.
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Most recruiting sites saying we get this player. He would be a huge get for us.
exact quote from a local assistant - "his transcript is a mess"
Don't want to start a fight, but this is not true. The assistant must be talking about high school.
I hope you are right but I will take the word of the guy who has taken a look at the transcripts...
Then know you are taking the word of a guy that is either (a) violating the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act by disclosing information found in Bashir's transcript to you or (b) outright lying to you. It doesn't take a detective to deduce the source of your information is your purported Seton Hall contact -- the one that told you Angel Delgado wasn't going to qualify and who gives you free floor seats.
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If you are not qualified out of High School and go JUCO for 2 years it is near impossible for you not to qualify after that.
You would have to be a complete nice person. By then the NCAA is only interested in your 2 years at JUCO which means the JUCO would to have done something screwed up.
Sucks that we had a near impossible case a few years back.
Who?
I assume he means last year and Keith Thomas.
Good point but Keith Thomas did clear and then it became clear the entire school and athletic program at his JUCO was a fraud.
Hutchinson is totally different. Again for the most part transcripts are associated with HS kids not JUCO kids.
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Yeah, I believe his high school transcripts are moot at this point, with him already enrolled in a 2 year college. If his grades are ok, has enough credits and is in good standing, I don't see an issue. There aren't any transcript(s), there is one transcript from a reputable JUCO. As long as he's passing his classes, can't foresee an issue.
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Most recruiting sites saying we get this player. He would be a huge get for us.
exact quote from a local assistant - "his transcript is a mess"
Don't want to start a fight, but this is not true. The assistant must be talking about high school.
I hope you are right but I will take the word of the guy who has taken a look at the transcripts...
Then know you are taking the word of a guy that is either (a) violating the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act by disclosing information found in Bashir's transcript to you or (b) outright lying to you. It doesn't take a detective to deduce the source of your information is your purported Seton Hall contact -- the one that told you Angel Delgado wasn't going to qualify and who gives you free floor seats.
You didn't want to start a fight but start making accusations about a friend...
My "purported" Seton Hall contact has not been at Seton Hall in years but glad you are paying attention.... that contact is now a Div I head coach.
As for the person violating something - he did nothing wrong because he told me nothing specific. Maybe you should call the NCAA on me and they can investigate and make sure you give then all those specifics you seem to think you know.
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If you are not qualified out of High School and go JUCO for 2 years it is near impossible for you not to qualify after that.
You would have to be a complete nice person. By then the NCAA is only interested in your 2 years at JUCO which means the JUCO would to have done something screwed up.
Sucks that we had a near impossible case a few years back.
Who?
I assume he means last year and Keith Thomas.
Good point but Keith Thomas did clear and then it became clear the entire school and athletic program at his JUCO was a fraud.
Hutchinson is totally different. Again for the most part transcripts are associated with HS kids not JUCO kids.
I have no idea how it works with JUCO...
So a kid that is non-qualifier can go to JUCO and as long as he passes he can be deemed eligible. Are there requirements to meet for the NCAA Clearinghouse? Do players have to get an Associates Degree or maintain minimum GPA to gain Div I eligibility..?
honestly don't know any of these answers...
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If you are not qualified out of High School and go JUCO for 2 years it is near impossible for you not to qualify after that.
You would have to be a complete nice person. By then the NCAA is only interested in your 2 years at JUCO which means the JUCO would to have done something screwed up.
Sucks that we had a near impossible case a few years back.
Who?
I assume he means last year and Keith Thomas.
Good point but Keith Thomas did clear and then it became clear the entire school and athletic program at his JUCO was a fraud.
Hutchinson is totally different. Again for the most part transcripts are associated with HS kids not JUCO kids.
I have no idea how it works with JUCO...
So a kid that is non-qualifier can go to JUCO and as long as he passes he can be deemed eligible. Are there requirements to meet for the NCAA Clearinghouse? Do players have to get an Associates Degree or maintain minimum GPA to gain Div I eligibility..?
honestly don't know any of these answers...
Do not need an associates degree if they are in good academic standing, at least thats the case with normal students. Not sure if thats the case with players who originally didn't qualify.
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Most recruiting sites saying we get this player. He would be a huge get for us.
exact quote from a local assistant - "his transcript is a mess"
Don't want to start a fight, but this is not true. The assistant must be talking about high school.
I hope you are right but I will take the word of the guy who has taken a look at the transcripts...
Then know you are taking the word of a guy that is either (a) violating the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act by disclosing information found in Bashir's transcript to you or (b) outright lying to you. It doesn't take a detective to deduce the source of your information is your purported Seton Hall contact -- the one that told you Angel Delgado wasn't going to qualify and who gives you free floor seats.
You didn't want to start a fight but start making accusations about a friend...
My "purported" Seton Hall contact has not been at Seton Hall in years but glad you are paying attention.... that contact is now a Div I head coach.
As for the person violating something - he did nothing wrong because he told me nothing specific. Maybe you should call the NCAA on me and they can investigate and make sure you give then all those specifics you seem to think you know.
Actually he did do something very wrong if he is telling the truth because he viewed protected information in his capacity as an employee for a university and then disclosed that information to you.
If you bothered to do a 30-second google search you would have realized that the NJCAA requires 2nd year student-athletes to have 24 or more earned credits and a 2.0 or higher GPA. Hutchinson requires its students to have above a 2.0 GPA as well and Bashir's conference requires all scholarship athletes to maintain a 3.5 GPA .
I don't mean to stand on a soap box, but surely you see the difference between posting that you think someone will be ineligible and citing to information a young kid has the right to keep private? How would you like it if someone posted hearsay about your medical records?
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A 3.5 GPA seems very high. Especially for players who couldn't qualify out of HS. Hard to believe that number for scholarship athletes in the conference is correct.
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Most recruiting sites saying we get this player. He would be a huge get for us.
exact quote from a local assistant - "his transcript is a mess"
Don't want to start a fight, but this is not true. The assistant must be talking about high school.
I hope you are right but I will take the word of the guy who has taken a look at the transcripts...
Then know you are taking the word of a guy that is either (a) violating the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act by disclosing information found in Bashir's transcript to you or (b) outright lying to you. It doesn't take a detective to deduce the source of your information is your purported Seton Hall contact -- the one that told you Angel Delgado wasn't going to qualify and who gives you free floor seats.
You didn't want to start a fight but start making accusations about a friend...
My "purported" Seton Hall contact has not been at Seton Hall in years but glad you are paying attention.... that contact is now a Div I head coach.
As for the person violating something - he did nothing wrong because he told me nothing specific. Maybe you should call the NCAA on me and they can investigate and make sure you give then all those specifics you seem to think you know.
Actually he did do something very wrong if he is telling the truth because he viewed protected information in his capacity as an employee for a university and then disclosed that information to you.
If you bothered to do a 30-second google search you would have realized that the NJCAA requires 2nd year student-athletes to have 24 or more earned credits and a 2.0 or higher GPA. Hutchinson requires its students to have above a 2.0 GPA as well and Bashir's conference requires all scholarship athletes to maintain a 3.5 GPA .
I don't mean to stand on a soap box, but surely you see the difference between posting that you think someone will be ineligible and citing to information a young kid has the right to keep private? How would you like it if someone posted hearsay about your medical records?
You can't help yourself in terms of the soap box, you do it on EVERY topic you engage.
If the person shared specific information in regards to Ahmed, I would say you were 100% correct.
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Most recruiting sites saying we get this player. He would be a huge get for us.
exact quote from a local assistant - "his transcript is a mess"
Don't want to start a fight, but this is not true. The assistant must be talking about high school.
I hope you are right but I will take the word of the guy who has taken a look at the transcripts...
Then know you are taking the word of a guy that is either (a) violating the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act by disclosing information found in Bashir's transcript to you or (b) outright lying to you. It doesn't take a detective to deduce the source of your information is your purported Seton Hall contact -- the one that told you Angel Delgado wasn't going to qualify and who gives you free floor seats.
You didn't want to start a fight but start making accusations about a friend...
My "purported" Seton Hall contact has not been at Seton Hall in years but glad you are paying attention.... that contact is now a Div I head coach.
As for the person violating something - he did nothing wrong because he told me nothing specific. Maybe you should call the NCAA on me and they can investigate and make sure you give then all those specifics you seem to think you know.
Actually he did do something very wrong if he is telling the truth because he viewed protected information in his capacity as an employee for a university and then disclosed that information to you.
If you bothered to do a 30-second google search you would have realized that the NJCAA requires 2nd year student-athletes to have 24 or more earned credits and a 2.0 or higher GPA. Hutchinson requires its students to have above a 2.0 GPA as well and Bashir's conference requires all scholarship athletes to maintain a 3.5 GPA .
I don't mean to stand on a soap box, but surely you see the difference between posting that you think someone will be ineligible and citing to information a young kid has the right to keep private? How would you like it if someone posted hearsay about your medical records?
You can't help yourself in terms of the soap box, you do it on EVERY topic you engage.
If the person shared specific information in regards to Ahmed, I would say you were 100% correct.
Now that we've got all that sorted out :) Bashir Ahmed has already played in multiple scrimmages this season and Matt A went to see one at the Dallas Jamboree. That means he has at least 24 credits earned and at least a 2.0 GPA. In other words, he is on pace to qualify and play D-1 ball. Obviously that is subject to him taking care of his school work the rest of this school year.
In other news, Bashir won the Hutchinson CC chess tournament, so congrats to him on that.
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My two cents for what is worth two cents. If student was awarded an associate degree and credits( his ) are acceptable by local accredited colleges and universities he meets the NCAA requirements
In the alternative 48 semester hours completed at a JC can qualify if they are in an academic area. I recall a few years ago St Bonaventure's recruited a student athlete where the majority of earned credits were in welding. Did no pass muster with NCAA
Not sure why 48 could be it is considered normal or minimal progress toward earning a degree. and 12 credits per term is qualification for full time status.
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Most recruiting sites saying we get this player. He would be a huge get for us.
exact quote from a local assistant - "his transcript is a mess"
Don't want to start a fight, but this is not true. The assistant must be talking about high school.
I hope you are right but I will take the word of the guy who has taken a look at the transcripts...
Then know you are taking the word of a guy that is either (a) violating the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act by disclosing information found in Bashir's transcript to you or (b) outright lying to you. It doesn't take a detective to deduce the source of your information is your purported Seton Hall contact -- the one that told you Angel Delgado wasn't going to qualify and who gives you free floor seats.
Cmon Marillac. We like scoop and word of mouth posts here. It's a message board .
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Agreed. Appreciate when Paultz, Baldi, Happy, 79, Dave, PMG, Fordham, Moose or others post something they hear which has credibility. What PMG heard is definitely relevant to this topic - obviously others disagree. Perhaps the local assistant is just wrong - that happens a lot. Or perhaps the assistant doesn't like St John's or failed to land Bashir and is annoyed at that. Either way, I like hearing this stuff when it comes from good sources, right or wrong.
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Most recruiting sites saying we get this player. He would be a huge get for us.
exact quote from a local assistant - "his transcript is a mess"
Don't want to start a fight, but this is not true. The assistant must be talking about high school.
I hope you are right but I will take the word of the guy who has taken a look at the transcripts...
Then know you are taking the word of a guy that is either (a) violating the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act by disclosing information found in Bashir's transcript to you or (b) outright lying to you. It doesn't take a detective to deduce the source of your information is your purported Seton Hall contact -- the one that told you Angel Delgado wasn't going to qualify and who gives you free floor seats.
Cmon Marillac. We like scoop and word of mouth posts here. It's a message board .
You can't just post whatever you want under the guise of a scoop and it be okay. It's demonstrably false.
Bashir has been playing for month. Matt A even went to see one of his games a few weeks ago. The NJCAA requires a second year athlete to have earned at least 24 credits and have a GPA of 2.0 or higher to participate. Kids only need 48 credits and 2.0 to qualify to play D-1. Am I missing something? Here is the rule:
Second Season Academic Requirements: Prior to a student-athlete’s participation in a second season of
a sport he/she must meet the appropriate Academic requirements of a first season participant AND.
D.3.a. Have accumulated 24 earned/passing semester hours with a GPA of 2.00 or OR
D.3.b. Have accumulated 36 quarter hours with a GPA of 2.00 or higher.
I'm done discussing this. I hope Dave deletes this whole string of posts. Some things are out of bounds even for high profile athletes, and information contained in their transcripts is certainly one of those areas.
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You can't just post whatever you want under the guise of a scoop and it be okay. It's demonstrably false.
Bashir has been playing for month. Matt A even went to see one of his games a few weeks ago. The NJCAA requires a second year athlete to have earned at least 24 credits and have a GPA of 2.0 or higher to participate. Kids only need 48 credits and 2.0 to qualify to play D-1. Am I missing something? Here is the rule:
Second Season Academic Requirements: Prior to a student-athlete’s participation in a second season of
a sport he/she must meet the appropriate Academic requirements of a first season participant AND.
D.3.a. Have accumulated 24 earned/passing semester hours with a GPA of 2.00 or OR
D.3.b. Have accumulated 36 quarter hours with a GPA of 2.00 or higher.
I'm done discussing this. I hope Dave deletes this whole string of posts. Some things are out of bounds even for high profile athletes, and information contained in their transcripts is certainly one of those areas.
Marillac, you really need to stop yourself. Are you suggesting PMG is now creating and spreading false rumors about a potential recruit? What has PMG ever done to deserve that kind of assumption being made of him? Step back from this and gather yourself....
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You can't just post whatever you want under the guise of a scoop and it be okay. It's demonstrably false.
Bashir has been playing for month. Matt A even went to see one of his games a few weeks ago. The NJCAA requires a second year athlete to have earned at least 24 credits and have a GPA of 2.0 or higher to participate. Kids only need 48 credits and 2.0 to qualify to play D-1. Am I missing something? Here is the rule:
Second Season Academic Requirements: Prior to a student-athlete’s participation in a second season of
a sport he/she must meet the appropriate Academic requirements of a first season participant AND.
D.3.a. Have accumulated 24 earned/passing semester hours with a GPA of 2.00 or OR
D.3.b. Have accumulated 36 quarter hours with a GPA of 2.00 or higher.
I'm done discussing this. I hope Dave deletes this whole string of posts. Some things are out of bounds even for high profile athletes, and information contained in their transcripts is certainly one of those areas.
Marillac, you really need to stop yourself. Are you suggesting PMG is now creating and spreading false rumors about a potential recruit? What has PMG ever done to deserve that kind of assumption being made of him? Step back from this and gather yourself....
Kid - thank you but don't worry about it.
Marillac the All Knowing has spoken - we should all now change the subject..
If I had posted something specific - like his GPA last semester (which I have no idea what it is) then Marillac the ALL Knowing would have a very good argument and I would be out of bounds.
But hey - Marillac is right - just ask him
**PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DELETE ANY OF MY POSTS ON THE ENTIRE SITE IF THE MODS THINK APPROPRIATE**
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Guys,
Lets settle down.
1. Without guys posting what they hear, know, or think we wouldn't have much to talk about so don't stop.
2. It's not the first or last time you'll hear something questionable regarding academics with JUCO
3. I think Marillac may wind up being right but don't need to jump down PMG's throat for sharing.
4. PMG never posts anything untruthful. He might not have the most contacts but the ones he has are very good.
5. Both Marillac and PMG are great members of this community.
I trust this staff whole heartedly recruiting. I know Matt has been very successful recruiting JUCO, transfers, and overseas that if he's targeting a guy he's doing his due diligence on the player. With that being said you still roll the dice sometimes and hope you don't crap out. I have no first hand knowledge of his academic standing but with St. John's so far down the road with him I imagine they must feel pretty good.
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@AdamZagoria: Hutchinson College wing Bashir Ahmed took an unofficial to Oklahoma State last week. Says Texas and Texas A&M also recruiting him.
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Tonight;
@bluedragonsport: Bashir Ahmed has 27 points at halftime to lead HCC. He's 9 of 11 overall, 5 of 7 from 3 and 4 of 4 from the line
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For his 5-0 team in 21 points win:
@bluedragonsport: Bashir Ahmed scores a game-high 32 points with 9 rebounds. Samajae Haynes-Jones with 16.
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@JucoRecruiting: 2016 Hutchinson CC guard, Bashir Ahmed, discusses recruitment and time-frame on decision: https://t.co/1gQVOvxTIP https://t.co/dWB4GXuDVC
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@NYPost_Brazille: Per @JucoRecruiting, top JUCO prospect Bashir Ahmed of The Bronx plans to verbal in December, says #sjubb and Cincinnati at top of his list.
@NYPost_Brazille: All along, #sjubb has been confident where it stands with Bashir Ahmed. This latest news supports that.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Was told when Bashir Ahmed comes home for holiday break, he plans to attend an #sjubb game.
And....😊
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Hutch now 9-0. Bash is averaging 20.1 ppg,50.4% from the field, 43.2% from three, 78.5% from the line, 5.8 boards, and 2.1 assists per game. Only 13 turnovers through nine games thus far and averaging over 7 FT attempts per game. Impressive.
He's playing mostly SF and some PF for a small team.
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I hope he stops blowing up...or we'll really diminish our chances of getting him. I'd prefer him over every other potential recruit including Thon or Rawlee.
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Hutch now 9-0. Bash is averaging 20.1 ppg,50.4% from the field, 43.2% from three, 78.5% from the line, 5.8 boards, and 2.1 assists per game. Only 13 turnovers through nine games thus far and averaging over 7 FT attempts per game. Impressive.
He's playing mostly SF and some PF for a small team.
Those shooting percentages are awesome. Was it you marillac who has said you can't always take those seriously?
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@bluedragonsport: Bashir Ahmed with a first half double-double, 12 pts, 10 boards. The Dragons outrebounded Trinidad St. 30-19.
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Team undefeated & #2 in country
@bluedragonsport: FINAL--HCC defeats Trinidad St. 82-53. Hutchinson was lead in scoring by Bashir Ahmed, with a double-double, 20 pts, 16 boards.
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Matt just tweeted a picture of him in Kansas.
Would assume he is there recruiting Ahmed.
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They are working extremely hard.
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Matt just tweeted a picture of him in Kansas.
Would assume he is there recruiting Ahmed.
Yup
@NYPost_Brazille: St. John's assistant Matt Abdelmassih was in to see top JUCO target Bashir Ahmed of Hutchinson CC, I'm told. #sjubb
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He will announce SJU soon enough for you guys to enjoy the holidays
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He will announce SJU soon enough for you guys to enjoy the holidays
:)
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He will announce SJU soon enough for you guys to enjoy the holidays
A round of applause for this man right here.
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The German kid too is looking solid along with Ahmed.
Then it's all out for Rawle.
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The German kid too is looking solid along with Ahmed.
Then it's all out for Rawle.
But no tall PG's or wide bodies for the paint?????
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Hutch now 9-0. Bash is averaging 20.1 ppg,50.4% from the field, 43.2% from three, 78.5% from the line, 5.8 boards, and 2.1 assists per game. Only 13 turnovers through nine games thus far and averaging over 7 FT attempts per game. Impressive.
He's playing mostly SF and some PF for a small team.
Those shooting percentages are awesome. Was it you marillac who has said you can't always take those seriously?
Yeah, plenty of opportunity to favorably "adjust" at JUCO level. It's a lot easier to do so in NY/NJ than out there though. JUCO basketball and football is the only show in town for some of those places.
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Imgine the addition of big, skilled forwards like Ahmed and Freudenberg to this roster? We will have a great stable of guards as well and several 6'10"+ guys who are also skilled ready to go. Exciting times ahead.
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Box score of victory at bottom & his stats to date in right column of opening page
http://www.bluedragonsports.com/news/102196
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He said he might push back decision announcement to January.
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He said he might push back decision announcement to January.
Link?
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It was at the bottom of the last interview he did...not sure where.
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zags article on SNY
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Zags: ST. JOHN'S CHECKS IN WITH BASHIR AHMED
St. John's assistant Matt Abdelmassih was in Kansas over the weekend checking in on JUCO wing Bashir Ahmed.
"It was great," Ahmed said by text.
The 6-foot-7, 205-pound combo guard from Hutchinson (KS) College and The Bronx now lists Cincinnati, St. John's, Oklahoma State, Texas, Oregon and Texas A&M. He hopes to decide soon.
"If not December, then January," he said.
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They quoted him in one article saying he planned to announce in December and now he says January or December so I don't think this really means anything. Hope we get this kid, we need some wings who can provide some scoring punch for us next year.
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They quoted him in one article saying he planned to announce in December and now he says January or December so I don't think this really means anything. Hope we get this kid, we need some wings who can provide some scoring punch for us next year.
Be confident
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From Zach B
#sjubb target, JUCO G Bashir Ahmed, to visit Texas Dec. 12, per @JucoRecruiting. Plans to see a few SJU games when he comes home in 2 weeks
Also notes, SJU is still the favorite.
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From Zach B
#sjubb target, JUCO G Bashir Ahmed, to visit Texas Dec. 12, per @JucoRecruiting. Plans to see a few SJU games when he comes home in 2 weeks
Also notes, SJU is still the favorite.
Visiting Texas!?!?!!?
I guess he heard we need a wide body ;)
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http://247sports.com/Bolt/Texas-to-host-four-star-juco-41683776
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Nah, he just saw last night's game.
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Nah, he just saw last night's game.
Can't blame these kids for weighing their options.
Careers hinge on it.
I sure as hell would be concerned if my squad lost to Fordham.
SMH, lived across the street from Fordham... Pains me to take the L from them.
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To me there is basically two schools of thought by Ahmed and any other 2016 recruits. They either see the poor performances and loses and say hmm is this really where I want go? Or they say hey these guys could really use my skill set and I can contribute right away but also develop under a hall of fame player and great staff. I hope these kids and their guardians see things the second way because if not they are going to miss out when we turn this around have a special team in a year or two.
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To me there is basically two schools of thought by Ahmed and any other 2016 recruits. They either see the poor performances and loses and say hmm is this really where I want go? Or they say hey these guys could really use my skill set and I can contribute right away but also develop under a hall of fame player and great staff. I hope these kids and their guardians see things the second way because if not they are going to miss out when we turn this around have a special team in a year or two.
He wants to play and that is really all there is to it. He'll be at SJU.
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Zags;
JUCO wing Bashir Ahmed is expected at St. John's game Dec. 18 and Dec. 20, source tells @SNYtv
Xmas present?
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maybe he'll get to see his future point guard play also :)
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From Texas Rivals site, not visiting for today's game but visiting Monday:
The Skinny - A sophomore for the No. 1 NCJAA team in the country, Ahmed was a very lightly recruited wing out of the Bronx, New York in 2014. Since he arrived at Hutchinson Community College, Ahmed has emerged into one of the more coveted JUCO prospects in the country.
Recently in mid-November, SNY.tv and JUCOrecruiting.com reported that Ahmed is listing Cincinnati, St. John's, Oklahoma State, Texas, Oregon, and Texas A&M. Hutchinson C.C. head coach Steve Eck said earlier this week that Ahmed has "narrowed it down to 10-15 [teams]," but didn't specify which, and described his wing as being "wide open." However, most believe, right now, that hometown St. John's is the team to beat. According to reports, Ahmed has visited St. John's and Cincinnati officially.
Look for Ahmed to likely make a decision this month. He'll arrive at Texas Monday to begin his visit, per a source.
https://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1835756
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In a win for unbeaten #1 ranked HCC, Bashir Ahmed has 23 points, 9 rebounds to lead the Blue Dragons
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Zach B tweeted;
JUCO Bashir Ahmed, who visits #sjubb this weekend, averaging 19.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 2.3 apg, and shooting 37 percent from 3. Huge recruit.
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:up: :up:
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:up: :up:
Well that can't be bad...
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Any chance we can secure a verbal this weekend?
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Any chance we can secure a verbal this weekend?
Of course :) :) :)
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Zach B tweeted;
Bashir Ahmed is here also. Told me still planning to decide "soon," but no idea when. #sjubb
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I just hope the game yesterday didn't scare off Bashir Ahmed from commiting
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if nothing else he has to believe he will get playing time
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if nothing else he has to believe he will get playing time
very true... As much as first reaction would be a top level recruit gets turned off by poor play that they may exclusively back to coaching staff, the thought of sitting on the bench is in their top 2 priorities. Let's hope he and the others in the mix see if as getting keys to a new car handed to them.
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Slip sliding away. 90 days ago the signing was just a formality, as per the postings
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Slip sliding away. 90 days ago the signing was just a formality, as per the postings
Nonsense
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I just hope the game yesterday didn't scare off Bashir Ahmed from commiting
Sitting there, he must have had a few "wtf" moments. I know I did.
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Results on the court this year, IMO, will have little to no impact on the 3 recruits we are chasing. Kids/parents/advisors are very aware that this was going to be an extremely difficult season on the court. More important that they trust Mullin & Co to get them to the next level of basketball, whatever that may be, and provide a positive environment for them growing as young men.
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Results on the court this year, IMO, will have little to no impact on the 3 recruits we are chasing. Kids/parents/advisors are very aware that this was going to be an extremely difficult season on the court. More important that they trust Mullin & Co to get them to the next level of basketball, whatever that may be, and provide a positive environment for them growing as young men.
Exactly, but panic struck folks just love to say "The sky is falling".
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Results on the court this year, IMO, will have little to no impact on the 3 recruits we are chasing. Kids/parents/advisors are very aware that this was going to be an extremely difficult season on the court. More important that they trust Mullin & Co to get them to the next level of basketball, whatever that may be, and provide a positive environment for them growing as young men.
Exactly, but panic struck folks just love to say "The sky is falling".
I don't think our recruits expect us to be a player, but we need to show them what we're trying to accomplish here. Otherwise we're just asking them to suspend belief. Another program doesn't have ask for that kind of faith. Nova is great now. UNC is great now.
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No difference ...kids coming
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No difference ...kids coming
For sure
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No difference ...kids coming
For sure
Curious for your insight. - why do you think he's holding out on a public verbal and even bothered to take the visit to Texas ?
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Wouldn't you want to visit Texas for free?
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Slip sliding away. 90 days ago the signing was just a formality, as per the postings
Nonsense
+1
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Wouldn't you want to visit Texas for free?
very fair point... Austin is fun place.
Still, these poor performing games while even if they don't hurt us, definitely don't help
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Should we expect verbal before Christmas
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Unless this kid BLEEDS Red and White, he is not a lock by any means.
With that said, I hope he verbals tomorrow and makes me look like a tool.
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If Bashir was at both games, I know what he saw--PT and plenty of it.
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337 Division 1 mens basketball teams...avg 10 scholarships per team....do the math...not every kid recruited goes to the team with the best record that offers......Right now ST johns is a a bad basketball team.....if anybody ever thought otherwise than I'm sorry. However they have some good young talent, a really dynamic staff and as mentioned playing time, a big conference and MSG doesn't hurt. Because they lost to a college nobodies ever heard of or NJIT has ZERO impact on 99% of the kids. Any past failures in securing kids is indicative of the recruiting efforts not the teams success.
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337 Division 1 mens basketball teams...avg 10 scholarships per team....do the math...not every kid recruited goes to the team with the best record that offers......Right now ST johns is a a bad basketball team.....if anybody ever thought otherwise than I'm sorry. However they have some good young talent, a really dynamic staff and as mentioned playing time, a big conference and MSG doesn't hurt. Because they lost to a college nobodies ever heard of or NJIT has ZERO impact on 99% of the kids. Any past failures in securing kids is indicative of the recruiting efforts not the teams success.
Oh stop trying to make sense
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337 Division 1 mens basketball teams...avg 10 scholarships per team....do the math...not every kid recruited goes to the team with the best record that offers......Right now ST johns is a a bad basketball team.....if anybody ever thought otherwise than I'm sorry. However they have some good young talent, a really dynamic staff and as mentioned playing time, a big conference and MSG doesn't hurt. Because they lost to a college nobodies ever heard of or NJIT has ZERO impact on 99% of the kids. Any past failures in securing kids is indicative of the recruiting efforts not the teams success.
That may be true, but no one can make a blanket statement that it doesn't matter to almost everyone. We already heard Jordan Tucker come out and say that he wants to see how Mullin uses players at his position. I think Mullin and company, by and large, will get a pass for the first year, but zero impact? I don't think we can say that.
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If Bashir was at both games, I know what he saw--PT and plenty of it.
He also saw ugly BB. Not saying he wont committ, but there are good teams w PT. I guess a lot comes down to what he believes is the future of the program w Mullin.
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If Bashir was at both games, I know what he saw--PT and plenty of it.
He also saw ugly BB. Not saying he wont committ, but there are good teams w PT. I guess a lot comes down to what he believes is the future of the program w Mullin.
PT alone doesn't work. That was Norm's go-to.
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Idk if Mullin holds his players accountable? As far as effort and intensity. The last two games was difficult to watch. I mean it's one thing the team is rebuilding, personnel, new players, new system etc. Which most of the times won't result or translate into a winning season. And quite Franklin that's understandable. But where is the sense of urgency from the players, where is the heart? Where is the toughness? where is the fight? It's one thing to lose but you have to put it all out there! Are the players suppose to hold each other accountable or that's the coaches job? Buttons has to be pushed and it has to come from the staff.
Two back to back ugly losses! Shouldn't be a reason why the Top Juco player Bashir Ahmed don't commit to Us. But it's definitely a concern, huge concern. For him to even witness the lack of aggression on both ends of the floor in person.
I'm just saying......... ::)
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If Bashir was at both games, I know what he saw--PT and plenty of it.
He also saw ugly BB. Not saying he wont committ, but there are good teams w PT. I guess a lot comes down to what he believes is the future of the program w Mullin.
PT alone doesn't work. That was Norm's go-to.
Yeah I mean what does Chris Mullin have that Norm doesn't have?
I agree with most of your points lately poison, that the losses MAY have an affect on recruits, or maybe not, but to act like there is no WAY they could is ridiculous. However let's not start comparing Chris to Norm with PT to offer and nothing else....
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If Bashir was at both games, I know what he saw--PT and plenty of it.
He also saw ugly BB. Not saying he wont committ, but there are good teams w PT. I guess a lot comes down to what he believes is the future of the program w Mullin.
PT alone doesn't work. That was Norm's go-to.
Norm would have landed Bash as well but he would never be playing next to talent like Sima, Yakwe, Mussini, and Ponds--plus he wouldn't have been coached well.
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If Bashir was at both games, I know what he saw--PT and plenty of it.
He also saw ugly BB. Not saying he wont committ, but there are good teams w PT. I guess a lot comes down to what he believes is the future of the program w Mullin.
PT alone doesn't work. That was Norm's go-to.
Yeah I mean what does Chris Mullin have that Norm doesn't have?
I agree with most of your points lately poison, that the losses MAY have an affect on recruits, or maybe not, but to act like there is no WAY they could is ridiculous. However let's not start comparing Chris to Norm with PT to offer and nothing else....
No one wants to compare Mullin to Norm. The truth is it's way too early to go there. So I shouldn't have. That said, the idea of selling playing time is awful. If we had Bashir now, it probably wouldn't help much because what I see is a collective defensive mindset that is unprepared for D1 ball. We know what's wrong with our offense, and without ball handlers that won't improve, but we should be, and Bashir should be as well, looking to see how this staff continues to make adjustments, especially on the defensive end.
Let's see how the team responds on Tuesday night.
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Agree poison. Honestly don't expect anything new. Business as usual. The team will be prepared. But no one on the staff is losing sleep over this game. They get a pass. Coach will be enjoying a fancy water as we get our ass kicked. It is a process . Future looks good.
I hope that's not true . I hope the boys come fired up. Not expecting that. Coaching college is about emotion and excitement . Besides our 4th coach our staff doesn't understand that . Another big game. If we play like we have another blow out. I am not shitting on the staff, I am hoping to see something different.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 38m38 minutes ago West Haven, CT
I'm hearing it is looking very good for St. John's in its pursuit of Bashir Ahmed, per a source close to the JUCO star. #sjubb
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great,, God knows we need him next year
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Zagoria tweet;
St. John's feeling optimistic on Bashir Ahmed but still no word on Marcus LoVett.
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:)
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Do you think he commits this weekend
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He's a big piece of this puzzle. Too many people have panties in a bunch about this season which is essentially training camp for our young guys. Anybody expecting to compete nightly is sorely misguided. Would love to add Bashir. He's that Duke-type wing that can get the ball past almost anybody.
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He's a big piece of this puzzle. Too many people have panties in a bunch about this season which is essentially training camp for our young guys. Anybody expecting to compete nightly is sorely misguided. Would love to add Bashir. He's that Duke-type wing that can get the ball past almost anybody.
You are
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Again this is a done deal. DONE DONE DONE
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Again this is a done deal. DONE DONE DONE
When When When. Wake me up when it's really done yup
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Again this is a done deal. DONE DONE DONE
I feel confident, but if totally decided/done what would be the reason at this point for not directly giving a public verbal commit vs. close sources in the news?
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Again this is a done deal. DONE DONE DONE
I feel confident, but if totally decided/done what would be the reason at this point for not directly giving a public verbal commit vs. close sources in the news?
Some folks enjoy the weekend. :)
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Again this is a done deal. DONE DONE DONE
Thanks SJU and Paultz. Appreciate the info as always. We need scoring from our guards and wings and I think Ahmed and Ponds will help a lot.
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Hope everybody had a great and bless Christmas
On the redmen site every body says its official that Bashir Ahmed has committed .
I don't see it official on anybody website.
Did he commit.
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Hope everybody had a great and bless Christmas
On the redmen site every body says its official that Bashir Ahmed has committed .
I don't see it official on anybody website.
Did he commit.
He hasn't announced anything formally but I am assuming he gave the staff some type of verbal if everyone is so confident he is locked up. We should hear very soon from him from what everyone has said.
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Just popped. Great get !
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@NYPost_Brazille Bronx wing Bashir Ahmed, arguably the top JUCO prospect in the country, has committed to St. John's, per source. #sjubb
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Merry Christmas....and I hear soon enough(not for some) SJU will be adding to the haul
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Great news! Anyone know if he'll have two or three years of eligibility at St. John's?
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On to Freudenberg guys :)
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Great news! Anyone know if he'll have two or three years of eligibility at St. John's?
Two
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Assistant Matt Abdelmassih did the heavy lifting on Bashir Ahmed. Was recruiting him at Iowa State and continued when he came to #sjubb
#sjubb beat out Cincinnati, Oregon, Oklahoma State, Texas and Louisville for Bashir Ahmed. Not bad.
Zach B
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Great news. Welcome home young man.
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Anyone have any recent video of him? All I could find was from 2013.
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Matt Abdelmassih @mabde33 10m10 minutes ago
Great day for our program. Building piece by piece #sjubb
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Brian Snow;
In essence St. John's adds 2 top 100 PG's (LoVett & Ponds) & 1 of the best JUCO players (Ahmed) and probably a top Euro Freudenberg next yr
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Brian Snow;
In essence St. John's adds 2 top 100 PG's (LoVett & Ponds) & 1 of the best JUCO players (Ahmed) and probably a top Euro Freudenberg next yr
First of all gotta give Mullin and staff some credit here. Great job landing this kid. Any shot we can land Rawle or Thon on top of this?
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Welcome Bashir!!!
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Brian Snow;
In essence St. John's adds 2 top 100 PG's (LoVett & Ponds) & 1 of the best JUCO players (Ahmed) and probably a top Euro Freudenberg next yr
First of all gotta give Mullin and staff some credit here. Great job landing this kid. Any shot we can land Rawle or Thon on top of this?
Matt in particular on this one
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Brian Snow;
In essence St. John's adds 2 top 100 PG's (LoVett & Ponds) & 1 of the best JUCO players (Ahmed) and probably a top Euro Freudenberg next yr
Owens too, could be a dangerous team next year if things break right.
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The ballas are coming...
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A late Christmas gift but better than the stuff under the tree.
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Great news. How many scholis do we have left for next year?
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Great job by staff. Let's hope the transcript is together
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Great get! RF next up and if a finish of Alkins or Thon it would be thru the roof! :)
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Brian Snow;
In essence St. John's adds 2 top 100 PG's (LoVett & Ponds) & 1 of the best JUCO players (Ahmed) and probably a top Euro Freudenberg next yr
First of all gotta give Mullin and staff some credit here. Great job landing this kid. Any shot we can land Rawle or Thon on top of this?
I'm expecting Freudenberg to be next in line, but either Alkins or Maker (if not both) would be the cherry on top of the cake. Alkins is probably the more "likely" candidate for us out of those two.
Glad to have Ahmed aboard!
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Brian Snow;
In essence St. John's adds 2 top 100 PG's (LoVett & Ponds) & 1 of the best JUCO players (Ahmed) and probably a top Euro Freudenberg next yr
First of all gotta give Mullin and staff some credit here. Great job landing this kid. Any shot we can land Rawle or Thon on top of this?
I'm expecting Freudenberg to be next in line, but either Alkins or Maker (if not both) would be the cherry on top of the cake. Alkins is probably the more "likely" candidate for us out of those two.
Glad to have Ahmed to aboard!
Agree Dink!
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Great get.
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Welcome bashir! great job by the staff
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Zach B tweeted;
Bashir Ahmed: "I will bring that New York City Swagger that people are accustomed to seeing." #sjubb
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Rawlie is becoming more and more realistic by the day. SJU is right there.
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Rawlie is becoming more and more realistic by the day. SJU is right there.
Sweet!
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Rawlie is becoming more and more realistic by the day. SJU is right there.
Sense a three horse race
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http://nypost.com/2015/12/26/st-johns-lands-juco-star/
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Rawlie is becoming more and more realistic by the day. SJU is right there.
Sense a three horse race
NC State and who Paultz ?
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Rawlie is becoming more and more realistic by the day. SJU is right there.
Sense a three horse race
NC State and who Paultz ?
NC
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Welcome to St. John's!
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HS days at JFK;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MJgKWPdcxTc
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Heard of baggy shorts but those were the baggiest jerseys I have ever seen! :)
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Us, NC St. and Carolina, Paultz?
Rawlie is becoming more and more realistic by the day. SJU is right there.
Sense a three horse race
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HS days at JFK;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MJgKWPdcxTc
Looks like the turnaround fadeaway is a goto move. Looked skilled then can't wait to see what he looks like now.
Can't wait!!!
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What is a goto move? :)
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Great job Staff....Welcome home Bashir!!!
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I think it will be RF and Alkins to finish off the class.
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If so, would that give us a top five class?
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Thank you Paultzman and Happy for being right as always
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I think it will be RF and Alkins to finish off the class.
That would be a truely remarkable first full recruiting cycle for this staff. I am happy just getting RF but Alkins would be a top rated class. Looking forward to seeing what these guys do with '17 and '18 classes
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Think UNC is losing steam...Paultz is right more often than me but heard recently SJU has made massive headway and its a NC ST/SJU race as of now. Ironically I think basketball won't be the deciding factor.....his trip home for xmas is HUGE
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I think it will be RF and Alkins to finish off the class.
RF definitely. Sensing staff may surprise us with a twist for one opening. Btw, count on someone of limited consequence leaving, nature of the beast.
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I think it will be RF and Alkins to finish off the class.
RF definitely. Sensing staff may surprise us with a twist for one opening. Btw, count on someone of limited consequence leaving, nature of the beast.
lol this context clue cracked me up. You're 100% right with everything you said.
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http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=928.msg10391#msg10391
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Brian Snow;
In essence St. John's adds 2 top 100 PG's (LoVett & Ponds) & 1 of the best JUCO players (Ahmed) and probably a top Euro Freudenberg next yr
Nm
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http://nypost.com/2015/12/26/st-johns-lands-juco-star/
In re-reading the first paragraph, I was surprised to see Zach say that we landed "it's top remaining target".
Can be construed a few ways - good, bad or unintentional.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rk4RafSgE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_MjSVcbnTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKpkFb4hcKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoaovpUopiY
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Blue Dragon Sports
@bluedragonsport Bashir Ahmed ties Darius Johnson-Odom's single-game scoring record with 46 points. He tied his career high with 16 rebounds.
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Wow...
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Wow...
https://youtu.be/sOFle4tr4Mg
Bashir highlight starts at 5:10
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I'm most impressed by the made free throws. We could really use that next year.
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His game has always reminded me of Felipe Lopez.
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His game has always reminded me of Felipe Lopez.
Yeah a little less athletic but physically tougher. Kid will be great for us.
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I'm most impressed by the made free throws. We could really use that next year.
This in spades.
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Very good rebounder as well.
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Eligible?
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Eligible?
Well on his way.
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Eligible?
thank you for a question seldom asked around here
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Verified account @NYPost_Brazille
Very cool story on #sjubb recruit Bashir Ahmed http://www.hutchnews.com/sports/chess-captivates-hcc-s-ahmed/article_8b40c056-f767-5f67-ac8b-d936633c35e1.html …
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His game has always reminded me of Felipe Lopez.
Speaking of Lopez, here's a funny quote:
"What separates Lopez from most of the other great city players of the past and present, including Pearl Washington, Mark Jackson and Rod Strickland, is that he can consistently hit jump shots from 22 feet out. He is hitting 38 percent of his 3-point attempts. "It's just a constant shot that a lot of high school kids wished they had," said DeMello. It is a shot that many playground players never develop because the city game puts such an emphasis on going to the basket.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/03/sports/basketball-lopez-baseball-no-basketball-yes.html
The paper of record.
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His game has always reminded me of Felipe Lopez.
Speaking of Lopez, here's a funny quote:
"What separates Lopez from most of the other great city players of the past and present, including Pearl Washington, Mark Jackson and Rod Strickland, is that he can consistently hit jump shots from 22 feet out. He is hitting 38 percent of his 3-point attempts. "It's just a constant shot that a lot of high school kids wished they had," said DeMello. It is a shot that many playground players never develop because the city game puts such an emphasis on going to the basket.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/03/sports/basketball-lopez-baseball-no-basketball-yes.html
The paper of record.
Why do you think that's funny?
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His game has always reminded me of Felipe Lopez.
Speaking of Lopez, here's a funny quote:
"What separates Lopez from most of the other great city players of the past and present, including Pearl Washington, Mark Jackson and Rod Strickland, is that he can consistently hit jump shots from 22 feet out. He is hitting 38 percent of his 3-point attempts. "It's just a constant shot that a lot of high school kids wished they had," said DeMello. It is a shot that many playground players never develop because the city game puts such an emphasis on going to the basket.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/03/sports/basketball-lopez-baseball-no-basketball-yes.html
The paper of record.
Why do you think that's funny?
Because I have a finely tuned sense of the absurd. And also because Lopez was not a fine three point shooter, as compare to say Mark Jackson. Or anyone really.
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His game has always reminded me of Felipe Lopez.
Speaking of Lopez, here's a funny quote:
"What separates Lopez from most of the other great city players of the past and present, including Pearl Washington, Mark Jackson and Rod Strickland, is that he can consistently hit jump shots from 22 feet out. He is hitting 38 percent of his 3-point attempts. "It's just a constant shot that a lot of high school kids wished they had," said DeMello. It is a shot that many playground players never develop because the city game puts such an emphasis on going to the basket.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/03/sports/basketball-lopez-baseball-no-basketball-yes.html
The paper of record.
Why do you think that's funny?
Because I have a finely tuned sense of the absurd. And also because Lopez was not a fine three point shooter, as compare to say Mark Jackson. Or anyone really.
Shot best as a frosh I think. Even his FT % kept going down.
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His game has always reminded me of Felipe Lopez.
Speaking of Lopez, here's a funny quote:
"What separates Lopez from most of the other great city players of the past and present, including Pearl Washington, Mark Jackson and Rod Strickland, is that he can consistently hit jump shots from 22 feet out. He is hitting 38 percent of his 3-point attempts. "It's just a constant shot that a lot of high school kids wished they had," said DeMello. It is a shot that many playground players never develop because the city game puts such an emphasis on going to the basket.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/03/sports/basketball-lopez-baseball-no-basketball-yes.html
The paper of record.
Why do you think that's funny?
Because I have a finely tuned sense of the absurd. And also because Lopez was not a fine three point shooter, as compare to say Mark Jackson. Or anyone really.
Shot best as a frosh I think. Even his FT % kept going down.
307 / 260 / 250 / 337 = 3 point
411 / 406 / 407 / 431 = FG
75 / 68 / 62 / 57 = FT
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His game has always reminded me of Felipe Lopez.
Speaking of Lopez, here's a funny quote:
"What separates Lopez from most of the other great city players of the past and present, including Pearl Washington, Mark Jackson and Rod Strickland, is that he can consistently hit jump shots from 22 feet out. He is hitting 38 percent of his 3-point attempts. "It's just a constant shot that a lot of high school kids wished they had," said DeMello. It is a shot that many playground players never develop because the city game puts such an emphasis on going to the basket.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/03/sports/basketball-lopez-baseball-no-basketball-yes.html
The paper of record.
Why do you think that's funny?
Because I have a finely tuned sense of the absurd. And also because Lopez was not a fine three point shooter, as compare to say Mark Jackson. Or anyone really.
Agreed. His jumper had too high of an arc.
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His game has always reminded me of Felipe Lopez.
Speaking of Lopez, here's a funny quote:
"What separates Lopez from most of the other great city players of the past and present, including Pearl Washington, Mark Jackson and Rod Strickland, is that he can consistently hit jump shots from 22 feet out. He is hitting 38 percent of his 3-point attempts. "It's just a constant shot that a lot of high school kids wished they had," said DeMello. It is a shot that many playground players never develop because the city game puts such an emphasis on going to the basket.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/03/sports/basketball-lopez-baseball-no-basketball-yes.html
The paper of record.
Why do you think that's funny?
Because I have a finely tuned sense of the absurd. And also because Lopez was not a fine three point shooter, as compare to say Mark Jackson. Or anyone really.
Shot best as a frosh I think. Even his FT % kept going down.
307 / 260 / 250 / 337 = 3 point
411 / 406 / 407 / 431 = FG
75 / 68 / 62 / 57 = FT
Free throw thing is odd
Had nice touch, never shot ball the same way two times in a row and drifted on his shot
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLZLoJY8Xf8
I believe Bashir's game is being streamed at 9 PM EST
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Game is on. Apparently Bashir is sick but still playing. This kid going to be nearly impossible for opponents to stop on offense next 2 seasons. Ridiculously fluid and quick with both hands. Apparently he's not playing "well" today because he's sick, but I can see he's gonna be a handful, especially when we add Lovett, Ponds, Owens, Freudenberg etc.
We are going to be a very talented team next year, even if young and unbridled a bit. Kid is really talented. He's got all the tools. If Mullun can get him shooting those shots with consistency and under control, he will be a killer. Yakwe is already becoming a killer. We have some serious young talent here.
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Game is on. Apparently Bashir is sick but still playing. This kid going to be nearly impossible for opponents to stop on offense next 2 seasons. Ridiculously fluid and quick with both hands. Apparently he's not playing "well" today because he's sick, but I can see he's gonna be a handful, especially when we add Lovett, Ponds, Owens, Freudenberg etc.
We are going to be a very talented team next year, even if young and unbridled a bit. Kid is really talented. He's got all the tools. If Mullun can get him shooting those shots with consistency and under control, he will be a killer. Yakwe is already becoming a killer. We have some serious young talent here.
Nearly impossible to stop? We need to stop doing this.
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Game is on. Apparently Bashir is sick but still playing. This kid going to be nearly impossible for opponents to stop on offense next 2 seasons. Ridiculously fluid and quick with both hands. Apparently he's not playing "well" today because he's sick, but I can see he's gonna be a handful, especially when we add Lovett, Ponds, Owens, Freudenberg etc.
We are going to be a very talented team next year, even if young and unbridled a bit. Kid is really talented. He's got all the tools. If Mullun can get him shooting those shots with consistency and under control, he will be a killer. Yakwe is already becoming a killer. We have some serious young talent here.
Nearly impossible to stop? We need to stop doing this.
He is gonna be hard to guard. Guaranteed. Kid is real quick and slashes with both hands and can shoot. He swished a lefty jumper in yesterday's game, even though he is a right handed shooter. I think he's going to very hard for opponents to guard. If that puts it into better context for you.
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In the beginning, he is going to get a bunch of offensive fouls.....and later shots blocked by Big East rim protectors. It will be fun to watch him develop.
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26 & 12 last night
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In the beginning, he is going to get a bunch of offensive fouls.....and later shots blocked by Big East rim protectors. It will be fun to watch him develop.
Key is will he be a Durand Johnson, where he gets the ball, and thinks this is a one on one game, or is he Bootsy Thornton, and he plays from the neck up? A lot of Jucos are ball hogs, because they've just come from a situation where there is absolutely no defense, and therefore no reason to pass the damn ball.
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I think he is going to be really good....the issue for me is whether it takes 5 or 10 Big East games or the whole season for him to get acclimated. ...and whether he can defend and stay out of foul trouble.
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He will be a better JC transfer than James Scott and not as good as JC transfer Walter Berry. That's my prediction. :-\
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I think he is going to be really good....the issue for me is whether it takes 5 or 10 Big East games or the whole season for him to get acclimated. ...and whether he can defend and stay out of foul trouble.
Those are significant questions and until we know the answer to them we can't really say if he'll be "really good"
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In the beginning, he is going to get a bunch of offensive fouls.....and later shots blocked by Big East rim protectors. It will be fun to watch him develop.
Key is will he be a Durand Johnson, where he gets the ball, and thinks this is a one on one game, or is he Bootsy Thornton, and he plays from the neck up? A lot of Jucos are ball hogs, because they've just come from a situation where there is absolutely no defense, and therefore no reason to pass the damn ball.
I watched his game yesterday. He's not Durand at all. He passes he ball like a guard and gives it up, doesn't force things. Big body and good hands. Good defender as well. It's the only actual game I saw him in and apparently he was sick and was under the weather. The kid is gonna be good. multi-dimensional player and it's only small sample size I saw.
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In the beginning, he is going to get a bunch of offensive fouls.....and later shots blocked by Big East rim protectors. It will be fun to watch him develop.
Key is will he be a Durand Johnson, where he gets the ball, and thinks this is a one on one game, or is he Bootsy Thornton, and he plays from the neck up? A lot of Jucos are ball hogs, because they've just come from a situation where there is absolutely no defense, and therefore no reason to pass the damn ball.
I watched his game yesterday. He's not Durand at all. He passes he ball like a guard and gives it up, doesn't force things. Big body and good hands. Good defender as well. It's the only actual game I saw him in and apparently he was sick and was under the weather. The kid is gonna be good. multi-dimensional player and it's only small sample size I saw.
The junior colleges do a terrible job of promoting their players. It's like they don't even care about them. I hope you're right. We need this class to be the team we didn't have this year. I just think it's best if we don't call out one player, no matter who it is and describe them as a second coming or even an NBA talent.
We've seen time again that you never know what you really have until the games begin.
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I didn't call him a second coming nor an NBA talent btw. Just saying he's going to be very hard to defend, even by Big East defenders. Kid is smooth and savvy player. Lots of tools. Love his handle and passing for his size. Not trying to overhype him. Was just impressed with the way he handled himself on the court. He will be a handful to guard and I stand by that.
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Last Juco guard we got from the Bronx did very well & suspect this Kennedy HS product will do quite well here. :)
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I think he is better than Durand now. I don't think he is going to be averaging 20 a game but I could see 14t o 16 a game with 6 rebounds next yr
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.
What secret have they kept? We're talking about a 1st team JUCO All-American, conference player of the year, and possibly the national player of the year. The irony of you trying to temper optimism, when you let your negativity run rampant for a years at a time, is crazy. You are a first ballot troll. MCN could run around throwing glitter and giving compliments at every game and not touch the level of untempered emotion you show on a daily basis.
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.
Literally no one said those guys were pros, let alone a coach who personally scouted Bashir. I think everyone gets your position on the current roster, but the hyperbole is exhausting.
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FWIW
Top 7 JUCO players from last year:
Artis-UTEP 11.8
Dunans-Auburn 11.6
Manyang-Oak 2.7
Montero-Portland TrailBlazers
Ibaka-OSU 0.9
Myers-Wake Forrest 2.4
Dima- WA 6.8
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FWIW
Top 7 JUCO players from last year:
Artis-UTEP 11.8
Dunans-Auburn 11.6
Manyang-Oak 2.7
Montero-Portland TrailBlazers
Ibaka-OSU 0.9
Myers-Wake Forrest 2.4
Dima- WA 6.8
Well, the best comp is Kadeem Allen, also from Hutchinson and played the same position. He is averaging 8 points 3.6 assists and 3 boards in 25 minutes per game with Arizona in his first year. Both guys were player of the year for their conference.
I think we'd all take that.
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FWIW
Top 7 JUCO players from last year:
Artis-UTEP 11.8
Dunans-Auburn 11.6
Manyang-Oak 2.7
Montero-Portland TrailBlazers
Ibaka-OSU 0.9
Myers-Wake Forrest 2.4
Dima- WA 6.8
Well, the best comp is Kadeem Allen, also from Hutchinson and played the same position. He is averaging 8 points 3.6 assists and 3 boards in 25 minutes per game with Arizona in his first year. Both guys were player of the year for their conference.
I think we'd all take that.
I think a lot of people are expecting more than 8 ppg including myself. Maybe we should all tempter our expectations a little for him
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FWIW
Top 7 JUCO players from last year:
Artis-UTEP 11.8
Dunans-Auburn 11.6
Manyang-Oak 2.7
Montero-Portland TrailBlazers
Ibaka-OSU 0.9
Myers-Wake Forrest 2.4
Dima- WA 6.8
Well, the best comp is Kadeem Allen, also from Hutchinson and played the same position. He is averaging 8 points 3.6 assists and 3 boards in 25 minutes per game with Arizona in his first year. Both guys were player of the year for their conference.
I think we'd all take that.
Those are stats on a far more talented team, Bashir may be and I emphasize may be (as none of us knows right now) our best player.
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FWIW
Top 7 JUCO players from last year:
Artis-UTEP 11.8
Dunans-Auburn 11.6
Manyang-Oak 2.7
Montero-Portland TrailBlazers
Ibaka-OSU 0.9
Myers-Wake Forrest 2.4
Dima- WA 6.8
Well, the best comp is Kadeem Allen, also from Hutchinson and played the same position. He is averaging 8 points 3.6 assists and 3 boards in 25 minutes per game with Arizona in his first year. Both guys were player of the year for their conference.
I think we'd all take that.
I think a lot of people are expecting more than 8 ppg including myself. Maybe we should all tempter our expectations a little for him
That is on a 24-win team with Gabe York, Alonzo Trier, and Parker Jackson-Cartwright in the back court and 5th-year senior BC transfer leading the team in scoring at PF.
I think he'd probably would have scored 20 for this team. I don't think Ahmed has to be a savior or force anything. Lovett and Ponds will be able to carry the load with him.
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.
There is not one person in this
@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.
Literally no one said those guys were pros, let alone a coach who personally scouted Bashir. I think everyone gets your position on the current roster, but the hyperbole is exhausting.
Its not only exhausting...more like bad diarrhea that just keeps coming.
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How does Poison not get banned ever? I got banned twice already from Redmen.com alone.
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Who said Mussini, Johnson and Williams were pros?!?!
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.
What secret have they kept? We're talking about a 1st team JUCO All-American, conference player of the year, and possibly the national player of the year. The irony of you trying to temper optimism, when you let your negativity run rampant for a years at a time, is crazy. You are a first ballot troll. MCN could run around throwing glitter and giving compliments at every game and not touch the level of untempered emotion you show on a daily basis.
I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post. You did.
I suggest reading it again, only slower so your small brain can comprehend all of it. I was mainly calling attention to the horrendous job that shitbox Hurchinson Community College does of promoting their players because their All American has been kept a secret not just from us, but from everyone, and I place all of that blame on them.
And yes, I did attempt to temper expectations, because we are so often disappointed when delusional fans like yourself build up players like they're the next Dwayne Wade and then upon arrival we see that they can't handle a D3 man to man defense. But please, by all means keep calling people trolls when they call you out for your ridiculous predictions of players that you've never seen before in your life.
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.
What secret have they kept? We're talking about a 1st team JUCO All-American, conference player of the year, and possibly the national player of the year. The irony of you trying to temper optimism, when you let your negativity run rampant for a years at a time, is crazy. You are a first ballot troll. MCN could run around throwing glitter and giving compliments at every game and not touch the level of untempered emotion you show on a daily basis.
I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post. You did.
I suggest reading it again, only slower so your small brain can comprehend all of it. I was mainly calling attention to the horrendous job that shitbox Hurchinson Community College does of promoting their players because their All American has been kept a secret not just from us, but from everyone, and I place all of that blame on them.
And yes, I did attempt to temper expectations, because we are so often disappointed when delusional fans like yourself build up players like they're the next Dwayne Wade and then upon arrival we see that they can't handle a D3 man to man defense. But please, by all means keep calling people trolls when they call you out for your ridiculous predictions of players that you've never seen before in your life.
What are your expectations for Bashir's SJU career?
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.
What secret have they kept? We're talking about a 1st team JUCO All-American, conference player of the year, and possibly the national player of the year. The irony of you trying to temper optimism, when you let your negativity run rampant for a years at a time, is crazy. You are a first ballot troll. MCN could run around throwing glitter and giving compliments at every game and not touch the level of untempered emotion you show on a daily basis.
I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post. You did.
I suggest reading it again, only slower so your small brain can comprehend all of it. I was mainly calling attention to the horrendous job that shitbox Hurchinson Community College does of promoting their players because their All American has been kept a secret not just from us, but from everyone, and I place all of that blame on them.
And yes, I did attempt to temper expectations, because we are so often disappointed when delusional fans like yourself build up players like they're the next Dwayne Wade and then upon arrival we see that they can't handle a D3 man to man defense. But please, by all means keep calling people trolls when they call you out for your ridiculous predictions of players that you've never seen before in your life.
What are your expectations for Bashir's SJU career?
My expectations for Bashir's career are that fans and media will build him up to be the next Walter Berry before ever actually seeing him play. And I think that because the team is in such dire need of a go to player, that all signs based on his likely meaningless juco awards will point to him carrying that unfair responsibility.
While it would be great if he was up to that task, I would rather give him the time he probably needs to adjust to D1 basketball without the pressure of having to bring St.John's back from the 25 year shit storm that defines them.
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FWIW
Top 7 JUCO players from last year:
Artis-UTEP 11.8
Dunans-Auburn 11.6
Manyang-Oak 2.7
Montero-Portland TrailBlazers
Ibaka-OSU 0.9
Myers-Wake Forrest 2.4
Dima- WA 6.8
Well, the best comp is Kadeem Allen, also from Hutchinson and played the same position. He is averaging 8 points 3.6 assists and 3 boards in 25 minutes per game with Arizona in his first year. Both guys were player of the year for their conference.
I think we'd all take that.
Those are stats on a far more talented team, Bashir may be and I emphasize may be (as none of us knows right now) our best player.
Oh Marillac knows. Just ask him.
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.
There is not one person in this
@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.
Literally no one said those guys were pros, let alone a coach who personally scouted Bashir. I think everyone gets your position on the current roster, but the hyperbole is exhausting.
Its not only exhausting...more like bad diarrhea that just keeps coming.
Keep posting princess.
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.
What secret have they kept? We're talking about a 1st team JUCO All-American, conference player of the year, and possibly the national player of the year. The irony of you trying to temper optimism, when you let your negativity run rampant for a years at a time, is crazy. You are a first ballot troll. MCN could run around throwing glitter and giving compliments at every game and not touch the level of untempered emotion you show on a daily basis.
I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post. You did.
I suggest reading it again, only slower so your small brain can comprehend all of it. I was mainly calling attention to the horrendous job that shitbox Hurchinson Community College does of promoting their players because their All American has been kept a secret not just from us, but from everyone, and I place all of that blame on them.
And yes, I did attempt to temper expectations, because we are so often disappointed when delusional fans like yourself build up players like they're the next Dwayne Wade and then upon arrival we see that they can't handle a D3 man to man defense. But please, by all means keep calling people trolls when they call you out for your ridiculous predictions of players that you've never seen before in your life.
What are your expectations for Bashir's SJU career?
My expectations for Bashir's career are that fans and media will build him up to be the next Walter Berry before ever actually seeing him play. And I think that because the team is in such dire need of a go to player, that all signs based on his likely meaningless juco awards will point to him carrying that unfair responsibility.
While it would be great if he was up to that task, I would rather give him the time he probably needs to adjust to D1 basketball without the pressure of having to bring St.John's back from the 25 year shit storm that defines them.
You answered the "expectations for his career" question with remarks expressing skepticism of his Juco all American distinction and that fans are excited that he has NBA upside based on reports from coaches and recruiting rankers who like his game.
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@bluedragonsport
Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,
More to come :)
To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect. He clearly has NBA physical talent and size. It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not.
In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.
We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.
What secret have they kept? We're talking about a 1st team JUCO All-American, conference player of the year, and possibly the national player of the year. The irony of you trying to temper optimism, when you let your negativity run rampant for a years at a time, is crazy. You are a first ballot troll. MCN could run around throwing glitter and giving compliments at every game and not touch the level of untempered emotion you show on a daily basis.
I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post. You did.
I suggest reading it again, only slower so your small brain can comprehend all of it. I was mainly calling attention to the horrendous job that shitbox Hurchinson Community College does of promoting their players because their All American has been kept a secret not just from us, but from everyone, and I place all of that blame on them.
And yes, I did attempt to temper expectations, because we are so often disappointed when delusional fans like yourself build up players like they're the next Dwayne Wade and then upon arrival we see that they can't handle a D3 man to man defense. But please, by all means keep calling people trolls when they call you out for your ridiculous predictions of players that you've never seen before in your life.
What are your expectations for Bashir's SJU career?
My expectations for Bashir's career are that fans and media will build him up to be the next Walter Berry before ever actually seeing him play. And I think that because the team is in such dire need of a go to player, that all signs based on his likely meaningless juco awards will point to him carrying that unfair responsibility.
While it would be great if he was up to that task, I would rather give him the time he probably needs to adjust to D1 basketball without the pressure of having to bring St.John's back from the 25 year shit storm that defines them.
You answered the "expectations for his career" question with remarks expressing skepticism of his Juco all American distinction and that fans are excited that he has NBA upside based on reports from coaches and recruiting rankers who like his game.
I have no expectations for his career. I've seen nothing from him for over 2 years.
And hey, fans should be excited. But they should also remember and recognize that they do this way too often.
Give the kid a break, and instead of hyping him up to be Walter Berry, and when he gets here, let's see how he does before sharing how good we think he is based on what we've read.
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The expectations that excited fans have are that Bashir contribute meaningfully on what will otherwise be a young but deep team. If he develops and performs at a high level, his ceiling could be the league after his senior year. I'd say that's pretty reasonable fodder for a message board, all things considered.
This argument holds more water with Ponds and Lovett, who probably will struggle next year despite their upside. I'd actually say Bashir the least "hyped" newcomer.
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I got banned twice already from Redmen.com alone.
Really? I knew you got banned during the Norm "error," right? I'm assuming you got banned a few months ago.
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My expectations for Bashir's career are that fans and media will build him up to be the next Walter Berry before ever actually seeing him play. And I think that because the team is in such dire need of a go to player, that all signs based on his likely meaningless juco awards will point to him carrying that unfair responsibility.
I don't agree with a lot of things you say, but this right here I feel you on this one. One poster--who I happen to like--on Redmen asked Paultz about the comparison between Larry Johnson (a JUCO AA and POY during his days in junior college) and Ahmed. Seriously? Yeah, let's just ask about a comparison between one of the best players to probably ever play JUCO hoops, and probably the best player in UNLV basketball history and an NBA stud before injuries derailed his career to a player he probably never seen play. That sounds reasonable, right?
Not to mention, Johnson and Ahmed are two different players. People also forget (or, aren't aware) Larry Johnson was considered the #1 player in the '87 high school class (of course, a McDonald's AA to boot) by some analysts.
I'm still cautiously optimistic, and will temper my enthusiam and hope for the best. I'd probably be a bit more gung-ho, per my expectations, but this past season has humbled those prospects on my end.
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My expectations for Bashir's career are that fans and media will build him up to be the next Walter Berry before ever actually seeing him play. And I think that because the team is in such dire need of a go to player, that all signs based on his likely meaningless juco awards will point to him carrying that unfair responsibility.
I don't agree with a lot of things you say, but this right here I feel you on this one. One poster--who I happen to like--on Redmen asked Paultz about the comparison between Larry Johnson (a JUCO AA and POY during his days in junior college) and Ahmed. Seriously? Yeah, let's just ask about a comparison between one of the best players to probably ever play JUCO hoops, and probably the best player in UNLV basketball history and an NBA stud before injuries derailed his career to a player he probably never seen play. That sounds reasonable, right?
Not to mention, Johnson and Ahmed are two different players. People also forget (or, aren't aware) Larry Johnson was considered the #1 player in the '87 high school class (of course, a McDonald's AA to boot) by some analysts.
I'm still cautiously optimistic, and will temper my enthusiam and hope for the best. I'd probably be a bit more gung-ho, per my expectations, but this past season has humbled those prospects on my end.
How can anyone make a comparison of any kind? He's been invisible for two years. This is why Jucos are such a mystery. I have never been to a juco, but I can only imagine that their facilities and overall operations are similar to what you'd find at a poorly funded low security prison.
The last time Ahmed was in the public eye he was committed to play for another program. That's how long it's been.
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@bluedragonsport
Final score: Hutchinson 84, Moberly 74. HCC, now 30-4, takes on Northwest Florida State at 6 p.m. Thursday in the NJCAA Quarterfinals
22/12 for Ahmed
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@bluedragonsport
Final score: Hutchinson 84, Moberly 74. HCC, now 30-4, takes on Northwest Florida State at 6 p.m. Thursday in the NJCAA Quarterfinals
22/12 for Ahmed
Yet another full game available for fans to see the "invisible" Ahmed. Looked good. Next round will be tough.
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@bluedragonsport
Final score: Hutchinson 84, Moberly 74. HCC, now 30-4, takes on Northwest Florida State at 6 p.m. Thursday in the NJCAA Quarterfinals
22/12 for Ahmed
Yet another full game available for fans to see the "invisible" Ahmed. Looked good. Next round will be tough.
Coach of their next opponent is local guy who played at Cardozo & was an AC at Iona, among other places, Steve DeMeo. Nice guy.
http://nwfraiders.com/sports/mbkb/coaches/Steve_DeMeo
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@bluedragonsport
Final score: Hutchinson 84, Moberly 74. HCC, now 30-4, takes on Northwest Florida State at 6 p.m. Thursday in the NJCAA Quarterfinals
22/12 for Ahmed
Yet another full game available for fans to see the "invisible" Ahmed. Looked good. Next round will be tough.
Hey - if you watched. How is his shot selection? Does his decision making need work, or is he making good decisions with the ball?
Thanks in advance.
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@bluedragonsport
Final score: Hutchinson 84, Moberly 74. HCC, now 30-4, takes on Northwest Florida State at 6 p.m. Thursday in the NJCAA Quarterfinals
22/12 for Ahmed
Doing a great job down there. Their size will give Hutch problems. We'll get a good feel for Ahmed's effectiveness as a stretch-four.
Yet another full game available for fans to see the "invisible" Ahmed. Looked good. Next round will be tough.
Coach of their next opponent is local guy who played at Cardozo & was an AC at Iona, among other places, Steve DeMeo. Nice guy.
http://nwfraiders.com/sports/mbkb/coaches/Steve_DeMeo
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I think he is way to short too be a legit stretch four.
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Per Zach B
#SJUBB coach Chris Mullin and assistant Matt Abdelmassih just saw Bashir Ahmed lead Hutchinson CC to win in JUCO national tournament.
Good place to see a few other kids. :)
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I think he is way to short to be a legit stretch four.
He's a wing, but physically strong and a good rebounder for a wing. He's not a 4. Regardless, people are really gonna like him and he will be a big contributor for us next season. Having guards like we will have around him will certainly help, Nd he can play that wing role because we also have a couple of PF's.
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@bluedragonsport
Final score: Hutchinson 84, Moberly 74. HCC, now 30-4, takes on Northwest Florida State at 6 p.m. Thursday in the NJCAA Quarterfinals
22/12 for Ahmed
Yet another full game available for fans to see the "invisible" Ahmed. Looked good. Next round will be tough.
I take it all back. Let's just call him "The Truth" from here on out.
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http://www.bluedragonsports.com/news/102360
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http://www.bluedragonsports.com/news/102360
Still not enough publicity.
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I think he is way to short too be a legit stretch four.
Listed at 6'7 215 and has been playing the four for them all season. He is best suited for the wing as a pro and high level college, but plenty of wings his size and smaller have killed it at the four in college.
http://www.hutchcc.edu/docs/Athletics/Basketball-Men/Roster-Basketball-Men.pdf
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@bluedragonsport
Final score: Hutchinson 84, Moberly 74. HCC, now 30-4, takes on Northwest Florida State at 6 p.m. Thursday in the NJCAA Quarterfinals
22/12 for Ahmed
Yet another full game available for fans to see the "invisible" Ahmed. Looked good. Next round will be tough.
I take it all back. Let's just call him "The Truth" from here on out.
Only fools deal in absolutes. Try keeping an open mind and being optimistic for once.
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I think he is way to short too be a legit stretch four.
Listed at 6'7 215 and has been playing the four for them all season. He is best suited for the wing as a pro and high level college, but plenty of wings his size and smaller have killed it at the four in college.
http://www.hutchcc.edu/docs/Athletics/Basketball-Men/Roster-Basketball-Men.pdf
I E A smaller Dom Pointer
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I think he is way to short too be a legit stretch four.
Listed at 6'7 215 and has been playing the four for them all season. He is best suited for the wing as a pro and high level college, but plenty of wings his size and smaller have killed it at the four in college.
http://www.hutchcc.edu/docs/Athletics/Basketball-Men/Roster-Basketball-Men.pdf
I E A smaller Dom Pointer
Or bigger
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I think he is way to short too be a legit stretch four.
Listed at 6'7 215 and has been playing the four for them all season. He is best suited for the wing as a pro and high level college, but plenty of wings his size and smaller have killed it at the four in college.
http://www.hutchcc.edu/docs/Athletics/Basketball-Men/Roster-Basketball-Men.pdf
I E A smaller Dom Pointer
He's 2-3 inches taller than Dom. He's a better shooter with both hands and better rebounder actually. Dom was a beast, and Ahmed a different player, but IMO will have similar impact if not more for us.
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I think he is way to short too be a legit stretch four.
Listed at 6'7 215 and has been playing the four for them all season. He is best suited for the wing as a pro and high level college, but plenty of wings his size and smaller have killed it at the four in college.
http://www.hutchcc.edu/docs/Athletics/Basketball-Men/Roster-Basketball-Men.pdf
I E A smaller Dom Pointer
He's 2-3 inches taller than Dom. He's a better shooter with both hands and better rebounder actually. Dom was a beast, and Ahmed a different player, but IMO will have similar impact if not more for us.
Dom was an elite rebounder when he was in position or wasn't and wanted to be. That was the part that made seeing him flat-footed 20-25 feet from the basket as a junior seizure-inducing. I've literally never seen a player more misused in my life. If Ahmed is even half the rebounder Dom was as a senior, we'll be fortunate. Offensively, Ahmed is clearly on another level with his skills.
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Never thought it was accurate but Dom was listed at 195.
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Info on his game today;
http://www.bluedragonsports.com/news/102361
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Dennis Rodman played at 6'7" 220 and led the NBA in rebounding seven years. Ahmed's size isn't a problem.
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I think he is way to short too be a legit stretch four.
Listed at 6'7 215 and has been playing the four for them all season. He is best suited for the wing as a pro and high level college, but plenty of wings his size and smaller have killed it at the four in college.
http://www.hutchcc.edu/docs/Athletics/Basketball-Men/Roster-Basketball-Men.pdf
In SJU terminology that's about 6'5" even though the 6'7 comes from his current roster.
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I think he is way to short too be a legit stretch four.
Listed at 6'7 215 and has been playing the four for them all season. He is best suited for the wing as a pro and high level college, but plenty of wings his size and smaller have killed it at the four in college.
http://www.hutchcc.edu/docs/Athletics/Basketball-Men/Roster-Basketball-Men.pdf
I E A smaller Dom Pointer
Or bigger
I was saying Dom was smaller than Bashir, but he was a very good 4.
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Per Zach B;
Told #sjubb commit Bashir Ahmed in running for JUCO National Player of Year award. Plays in Elite 8 of national tournament today.
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I think he is way to short too be a legit stretch four.
Listed at 6'7 215 and has been playing the four for them all season. He is best suited for the wing as a pro and high level college, but plenty of wings his size and smaller have killed it at the four in college.
http://www.hutchcc.edu/docs/Athletics/Basketball-Men/Roster-Basketball-Men.pdf
I E A smaller Dom Pointer
Or bigger
I was saying Dom was smaller than Bashir, but he was a very good 4.
Or were you saying Dom Pointer is smaller than himself? ??? ;) :)
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Per Zach B;
Told #sjubb commit Bashir Ahmed in running for JUCO National Player of Year award. Plays in Elite 8 of national tournament today.
Looks like Jared Fogle has been reading my posts.
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Per Zach B;
Told #sjubb commit Bashir Ahmed in running for JUCO National Player of Year award. Plays in Elite 8 of national tournament today.
Looks like Jared Fogle has been reading my posts.
No, he Is tight with Matt and knows Ahmed back to his HS days actually.
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Per Zach B;
Told #sjubb commit Bashir Ahmed in running for JUCO National Player of Year award. Plays in Elite 8 of national tournament today.
Looks like Jared Fogle has been reading my posts.
No, he Is tight with Matt and knows Ahmed back to his HS days actually.
Reality won't knock down Marillac's ego a peg. It's like throwing spitballs at a battleship. :) :) :)
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Per Brad Winton
Hutch up 94-62 with 6:30 to play. Samajae Haynes Jones (2017) has 28, Bashir Ahmed with 21 and Shakur Juiston has 19.
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Hutchison Blue Dragons will advance to the NJCAA Tournament semifinals for the first time since 1994 and the 8th time in team history
@bluedragonsport
Final score: No. 7 seed Hutchinson 116, No. 2 Northwest Florida St. 90. The 31-4 Blue Dragons advance to the national semifinals Friday @ 8
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Per Brad Winton;
2017 Hutch guard Samajae Haynes-Jones led all scorers with 31. Bashir Ahmed had 21 pts, 10 rebs & 7 assists. Daryl Edwards led NW FL with 15
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Hutchison Blue Dragons will advance to the NJCAA Tournament semifinals for the first time since 1994 and the 8th time in team history
@bluedragonsport
Final score: No. 7 seed Hutchinson 116, No. 2 Northwest Florida St. 90. The 31-4 Blue Dragons advance to the national semifinals Friday @ 8
Wow. What a performance. Hutch is gong to take it all.
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love the assist total, maybe we will move the ball efficiently next year
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Hutchinson down 2 at the half. The game is streaming and very clear at njcaa site. Ans poision, you might think it's small time, but nice sized arena with packed house. Get a glimpse of Bashir. Interestingly enough, Ranger CC is coached by Billy Gillespie. Talk about Icarus' flight... From head coach of UK to Ranger CC...
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Hutchinson down 2 at the half. The game is streaming and very clear at njcaa site. Ans poision, you might think it's small time, but nice sized arena with packed house. Get a glimpse of Bashir. Interestingly enough, Ranger CC is coached by Billy Gillespie. Talk about Icarus' flight... From head coach of UK to Ranger CC...
Playing opposite the NCAA is not only small time, it's bad judgement. But it's juco.
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Hutchinson down 2 at the half. The game is streaming and very clear at njcaa site. Ans poision, you might think it's small time, but nice sized arena with packed house. Get a glimpse of Bashir. Interestingly enough, Ranger CC is coached by Billy Gillespie. Talk about Icarus' flight... From head coach of UK to Ranger CC...
Playing opposite the NCAA is not only small time, it's bad judgement. But it's juco.
It's only online but it's a heck of a game actually. Bashir on bench with 3 fouls. Should be back in soon.
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Hutchinson down 2 at the half. The game is streaming and very clear at njcaa site. Ans poision, you might think it's small time, but nice sized arena with packed house. Get a glimpse of Bashir. Interestingly enough, Ranger CC is coached by Billy Gillespie. Talk about Icarus' flight... From head coach of UK to Ranger CC...
Playing opposite the NCAA is not only small time, it's bad judgement. But it's juco.
It's only online but it's a heck of a game actually. Bashir on bench with 3 fouls. Should be back in soon.
Thanks for sharing. Much appreciated.
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Bashir not playing much due to 4 fouls. It's OT now. Bashir is excellent rebounder for a wing. Great with both hands. Nice athlete. Very savy down low. His biggest weakness is that he shoots a flat shot when he rushes his offense. Mullin can fix that. Ahmed has the whole package but must be more focused when getting "creative" on offense. Very talented kid. Needs to take more jumpshots and learn to release properly when off balance.
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Not a good showing in 2h and ot although limited minutes as mcn mentioned
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Bashir in foul trouble second half and missed all but one FG and all the FTs he took in second half. Went to foul line up 3 with 4 seconds left and bricked both that would have iced game. Ranger missed heave at buzzer so Bashir advanced to final as teammates bailed him out. Hope he plays better tomorrow and they claim the championship.
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Worst I've ever seen him play. Team picked him up. Ranger was well coached by Billy Gillespie--former UK coach. Game plan was to take Ahmed and Semaji-Jones out of game and let supporting players beat them.
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Yeah not a great game with foul trouble early. Bashir usually a double-double machine. Hutch survives and gets to play in NC tomorrow. SJU fans should keep an eye out on that game. Pretty sure Bashir will be ready to go...
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was 0 for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was ) for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
Looked physically worn down to me. Other guys didn't look for him enough and he's asked to do everything for them close to basket. He's a comlementary scorer year one. Don't expect an alpha scorer.
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The Blue Dragons are a national runner-up for the third time in program history, also occurring in 1949 and 1973
Bashir Ahmed leads the Blue Dragons with 22 points. Samajae Haynes-Jones has 11 and Shakur Juiston has 11.
Bashir Ahmed, Akbar Hoffman, and Keanu Pinder named to the 2016 All-Tournament team.
@bluedragonsport
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was ) for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
Agree. Sometimes, JUCO guys take time to adjust and are better as seniors. Norm was crucified for Hardy and Brownlee when it is possible that those guys just progressed in their 2nd year in the program.
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was ) for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
Looked physically worn down to me. Other guys didn't look for him enough and he's asked to do everything for them close to basket. He's a comlementary scorer year one. Don't expect an alpha scorer.
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Disagree marillac... He's gonna be a killer. Maybe a little sloppy at first but a killer.. We have others up front too. There aren't two better offensive rebounders than Yakwe and Ahmed with their strength and ability...
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was ) for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
Looked physically worn down to me. Other guys didn't look for him enough and he's asked to do everything for them close to basket. He's a comlementary scorer year one. Don't expect an alpha scorer.
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Disagree marillac... He's gonna be a killer. Maybe a little sloppy at first but a killer.. We have others up front too. There aren't two better offensive rebounders than Yakwe and Ahmed with their strength and ability...
MCNPA taking over the title of King of hyperbole from Marillac.
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Not trying to add hyperbole. Kids just hustles and is good on the glass. I think he's really gonna help us. He really goes after it.
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was ) for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
Looked physically worn down to me. Other guys didn't look for him enough and he's asked to do everything for them close to basket. He's a comlementary scorer year one. Don't expect an alpha scorer.
I seem to remember a certain poster saying something to that effect recently. Oh well, must have been my imagination.
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was ) for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
Agree. Sometimes, JUCO guys take time to adjust and are better as seniors. Norm was crucified for Hardy and Brownlee when it is possible that those guys just progressed in their 2nd year in the program.
Norm should have been crucified. Lavin moved Hardy to the point. He gets the credit for Hardy's career. All of it. Norm almost ruined him completely having come off the bench to back up Horne and DJ.
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I love when NYERS come back home and play for SJU
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was ) for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
Looked physically worn down to me. Other guys didn't look for him enough and he's asked to do everything for them close to basket. He's a comlementary scorer year one. Don't expect an alpha scorer.
I seem to remember a certain poster saying something to that effect recently. Oh well, must have been my imagination.
Ummm, no. Had you said that, it would have been reasonable. Nothing about you is reasonable anymore. You said repeatedly--seems to be the only way you say anything--that he was completely "unknown" and has been entirely "invisible" for two years. You said we can't count on in for anything. I'm saying let's not expect him to be an alpha scorer, but I full expect him to contribute on the glass, as a secondary scoring option, and hopefully defensively. I am optimistic given his physical talent and skill, but I also realize I cheer for St. John's and not a lot breaks our way.
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was ) for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
Looked physically worn down to me. Other guys didn't look for him enough and he's asked to do everything for them close to basket. He's a comlementary scorer year one. Don't expect an alpha scorer.
I seem to remember a certain poster saying something to that effect recently. Oh well, must have been my imagination.
Ummm, no. Had you said that, it would have been reasonable. Nothing about you is reasonable anymore. You said repeatedly--seems to be the only way you say anything--that he was completely "unknown" and has been entirely "invisible" for two years. You said we can't count on in for anything. I'm saying let's not expect him to be an alpha scorer, but I full expect him to contribute on the glass, as a secondary scoring option, and hopefully defensively. I am optimistic given his physical talent and skill, but I also realize I cheer for St. John's and not a lot breaks our way.
He is a complete unknown. There is no reasonable way to make an educated guess regarding how he will do in the BE. The competition in juco ball isn't what it was 15 years ago. Have a look at where the top 10 jucos are going next year. But by all means, before you do, write another childish post calling me a troll, because that makes good sense.
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was ) for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
Looked physically worn down to me. Other guys didn't look for him enough and he's asked to do everything for them close to basket. He's a comlementary scorer year one. Don't expect an alpha scorer.
I seem to remember a certain poster saying something to that effect recently. Oh well, must have been my imagination.
Ummm, no. Had you said that, it would have been reasonable. Nothing about you is reasonable anymore. You said repeatedly--seems to be the only way you say anything--that he was completely "unknown" and has been entirely "invisible" for two years. You said we can't count on in for anything. I'm saying let's not expect him to be an alpha scorer, but I full expect him to contribute on the glass, as a secondary scoring option, and hopefully defensively. I am optimistic given his physical talent and skill, but I also realize I cheer for St. John's and not a lot breaks our way.
He is a complete unknown. There is no reasonable way to make an educated guess regarding how he will do in the BE.
This is so foolish and so wrong. Do you really think high school kids are any easier? There are programs like Wichita State and Utah State that rely on JUCOs and unproven transfers to win 25 games a year the last decade +.
How is the talent down? Gary Payton's son is a projected 2nd round pick this year and wasn't even that great in JUCO. The Knicks drafted Cleanthony Early a few years ago and also had John Harrelslon at one point.
Just look at three Marquette teammates to show you how silly your comment was: Jimmy Butler is averaging 22 ppg for the Bulls, Jae Crowder (14.4 ppg for Celtics) and Darius Johnson--played two years in the NBA.
Jimmy Butler could be a future hall of famer if he keeps it up. He's only 26 and he's a two-time all-star.
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was ) for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
Looked physically worn down to me. Other guys didn't look for him enough and he's asked to do everything for them close to basket. He's a comlementary scorer year one. Don't expect an alpha scorer.
I seem to remember a certain poster saying something to that effect recently. Oh well, must have been my imagination.
Ummm, no. Had you said that, it would have been reasonable. Nothing about you is reasonable anymore. You said repeatedly--seems to be the only way you say anything--that he was completely "unknown" and has been entirely "invisible" for two years. You said we can't count on in for anything. I'm saying let's not expect him to be an alpha scorer, but I full expect him to contribute on the glass, as a secondary scoring option, and hopefully defensively. I am optimistic given his physical talent and skill, but I also realize I cheer for St. John's and not a lot breaks our way.
He is a complete unknown. There is no reasonable way to make an educated guess regarding how he will do in the BE.
This is so foolish and so wrong. Do you really think high school kids are any easier? There are programs like Wichita State and Utah State that rely on JUCOs and unproven transfers to win 25 games a year the last decade +.
How is the talent down? Gary Payton's son is a projected 2nd round pick this year and wasn't even that great in JUCO. The Knicks drafted Cleanthony Early a few years ago and also had John Harrelslon at one point.
Just look at three Marquette teammates to show you how silly your comment was: Jimmy Butler is averaging 22 ppg for the Bulls, Jae Crowder (14.4 ppg for Celtics) and Darius Johnson--played two years in the NBA.
Jimmy Butler could be a future hall of famer if he keeps it up. He's only 26 and he's a two-time all-star.
Jimmy Butler was an unknown before he got to Marquette. You just proved my point. There are no Larry Johnsons and Steve Francis types anymore in Juco. Jucos used to produce significantly more top talent than they do now. If you don't want to accept that, that's your choice. Throwing out names like Utah State is really reaching.
We beat out numerous top tier programs for Ponds. Let that tell you something. He's going up against the nation's top high school talent on a regular basis. It's much easier to make an educated guess as to what kind of player he'll be in year one of BE ball, than following delusions of greatness because Ahmed is ranked #1 of something. That ranking is meaningless.
One would think after your bullshit with Derian Williams, you'd cut the crap, but don't let being ridiculously wrong about a player you knew nothing about stop you from doing it again about a player you know nothing about. And just so we're clear, watching a juco game tells you nothing. That is not a barometer anymore.
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was ) for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
Looked physically worn down to me. Other guys didn't look for him enough and he's asked to do everything for them close to basket. He's a comlementary scorer year one. Don't expect an alpha scorer.
I seem to remember a certain poster saying something to that effect recently. Oh well, must have been my imagination.
Ummm, no. Had you said that, it would have been reasonable. Nothing about you is reasonable anymore. You said repeatedly--seems to be the only way you say anything--that he was completely "unknown" and has been entirely "invisible" for two years. You said we can't count on in for anything. I'm saying let's not expect him to be an alpha scorer, but I full expect him to contribute on the glass, as a secondary scoring option, and hopefully defensively. I am optimistic given his physical talent and skill, but I also realize I cheer for St. John's and not a lot breaks our way.
He is a complete unknown. There is no reasonable way to make an educated guess regarding how he will do in the BE. The competition in juco ball isn't what it was 15 years ago. Have a look at where the top 10 jucos are going next year. But by all means, before you do, write another childish post calling me a troll, because that makes good sense.
Iowa St, Baylor, Wichita St., Alabama, Arkansas....these are the schools that got the bulk of the best JUCOs in the country. Are you implying these are not good basketball schools? Arkansas sucks, but Alabama looks to be on the up, Wichita St is one of the premiere mid-majors in the country, Baylor was a 5 seed and Iowa St a 4 seed. If JUCOs are good enough for two top 20 teams, I would think they are good enough for us, no?
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
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Have seen the last 2 1/2 games Ahmed has played. In champioship game they lost to a team with 8 losses playing an extra game as in 5 games in 5 days and lost by 10. Think Bashir finished with 20 but was ) for 7 or 8 from 3. Think he will need year to adjust to BE level of play and we will be lucky if he can replace DJ's production next year.
Looked physically worn down to me. Other guys didn't look for him enough and he's asked to do everything for them close to basket. He's a comlementary scorer year one. Don't expect an alpha scorer.
I seem to remember a certain poster saying something to that effect recently. Oh well, must have been my imagination.
Ummm, no. Had you said that, it would have been reasonable. Nothing about you is reasonable anymore. You said repeatedly--seems to be the only way you say anything--that he was completely "unknown" and has been entirely "invisible" for two years. You said we can't count on in for anything. I'm saying let's not expect him to be an alpha scorer, but I full expect him to contribute on the glass, as a secondary scoring option, and hopefully defensively. I am optimistic given his physical talent and skill, but I also realize I cheer for St. John's and not a lot breaks our way.
He is a complete unknown. There is no reasonable way to make an educated guess regarding how he will do in the BE. The competition in juco ball isn't what it was 15 years ago. Have a look at where the top 10 jucos are going next year. But by all means, before you do, write another childish post calling me a troll, because that makes good sense.
Iowa St, Baylor, Wichita St., Alabama, Arkansas....these are the schools that got the bulk of the best JUCOs in the country. Are you implying these are not good basketball schools? Arkansas sucks, but Alabama looks to be on the up, Wichita St is one of the premiere mid-majors in the country, Baylor was a 5 seed and Iowa St a 4 seed. If JUCOs are good enough for two top 20 teams, I would think they are good enough for us, no?
I'm implying that Bashir Ahmed shouldn't be sold in to the fan base as a savior, because dear God, when will we learn our #$%^ing lesson? He's a juco, he's the #1 ranked juco, and yes, that means that he's probably severely overrated. It would be wonderful if that is not the case, but let's stop dancing in the streets the way we did when we got Mussini and acted like he was Steve Nash.
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Shaka Smart hosted him at Texas like two weeks before he committed here; Cincy had him in officially a week before that. No two ways about it - that is legitimate interest from real programs.
I get the skepticism around JUCOs or SJU recruits in general, but you seemingly can't accept that there is reason to be optimistic about this kid.
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Nobody is calling him a savior. Where do you get this stuff? He is a kid that many of us hope can be a quality Big East starter sooner rather than later. He has undeniable NBA size and physical talent, but he wouldn't be the first player we had like that to completely disappoint us if it went that way. In general, if you are looking for a JUCO as a savior, you are in trouble. Jesus, we are talking about a two-time JUCO All-American and likely JUCO player of the year here. What's his floor if healthy, 10 and 5? SJU was his dream school from high school and made no secret of that. That is why he didn't get the full court press from interested programs like Louisville and Texas.
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Nobody is calling him a savior. Where do you get this stuff? He is a kid that many of us hope can be a quality Big East starter sooner rather than later. He has undeniable NBA size and physical talent, but he wouldn't be the first player we had like that to completely disappoint us if it went that way. In general, if you are looking for a JUCO as a savior, you are in trouble. Jesus, we are talking about a two-time JUCO All-American and likely JUCO player of the year here. What's his floor if healthy, 10 and 5? SJU was his dream school from high school and made no secret of that. That is why he didn't get the full court press from interested programs like Louisville and Texas.
Two time JUCO AA? Where did you see that for last season?
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Nobody is calling him a savior. Where do you get this stuff? He is a kid that many of us hope can be a quality Big East starter sooner rather than later. He has undeniable NBA size and physical talent, but he wouldn't be the first player we had like that to completely disappoint us if it went that way. In general, if you are looking for a JUCO as a savior, you are in trouble. Jesus, we are talking about a two-time JUCO All-American and likely JUCO player of the year here. What's his floor if healthy, 10 and 5? SJU was his dream school from high school and made no secret of that. That is why he didn't get the full court press from interested programs like Louisville and Texas.
Two time JUCO AA? Where did you see that for last season?
He was a two time Marillac Juco AA. And Marillac do you really think other schools didn't go hard after him because we were his dream school. Many kids pick other than their dream schools.
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Shaka Smart hosted him at Texas like two weeks before he committed here; Cincy had him in officially a week before that. No two ways about it - that is legitimate interest from real programs.
I get the skepticism around JUCOs or SJU recruits in general, but you seemingly can't accept that there is reason to be optimistic about this kid.
I'm not saying that he can't turn out to be a great player. I see a juco who is ranked #1, a depressed fan base, and it reminds me of a familiar cycle. Hype begets more hype. I'd rather come in cold and without these expectations, and be given the chance to play his game without dozens of microphones constantly in his face.
Let him be Bootsy Thornton instead of James Scott. Scott spent his first year here trying to do too much. He had two great weeks at St.John's as a senior. I think the pressure of playing in front of large loud crowds and seeing BE defenses really got in his head as a junior. There really wasn't much else on that team, and he was totally overwhelmed.
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Nobody is calling him a savior. Where do you get this stuff? He is a kid that many of us hope can be a quality Big East starter sooner rather than later. He has undeniable NBA size and physical talent, but he wouldn't be the first player we had like that to completely disappoint us if it went that way. In general, if you are looking for a JUCO as a savior, you are in trouble. Jesus, we are talking about a two-time JUCO All-American and likely JUCO player of the year here. What's his floor if healthy, 10 and 5? SJU was his dream school from high school and made no secret of that. That is why he didn't get the full court press from interested programs like Louisville and Texas.
Two time JUCO AA? Where did you see that for last season?
Don't be so negative. Why does it matter if it's true or not? :)
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Shaka Smart hosted him at Texas like two weeks before he committed here; Cincy had him in officially a week before that. No two ways about it - that is legitimate interest from real programs.
I get the skepticism around JUCOs or SJU recruits in general, but you seemingly can't accept that there is reason to be optimistic about this kid.
I'm not saying that he can't turn out to be a great player. I see a juco who is ranked #1, a depressed fan base, and it reminds me of a familiar cycle. Hype begets more hype. I'd rather come in cold and without these expectations, and be given the chance to play his game without dozens of microphones constantly in his face.
Let him be Bootsy Thornton instead of James Scott. Scott spent his first year here trying to do too much. He had two great weeks at St.John's as a senior. I think the pressure of playing in front of large loud crowds and seeing BE defenses really got in his head as a junior. There really wasn't much else on that team, and he was totally overwhelmed.
I guess what I am missing is the expectations that you speak of. Maybe a poll on his ppg next year will elucidate it. For me, I'd expect 10 ppg and for him to start at the 3 on a young team that's a year away. I wouldn't be surprised if he was coming off the bench and took a year to meaningfully contribute, nor would I be surprised if he averaged 15 ppg immediately. I would be surprised and disappointed if he was worthless in his two years here.
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Shaka Smart hosted him at Texas like two weeks before he committed here; Cincy had him in officially a week before that. No two ways about it - that is legitimate interest from real programs.
I get the skepticism around JUCOs or SJU recruits in general, but you seemingly can't accept that there is reason to be optimistic about this kid.
I'm not saying that he can't turn out to be a great player. I see a juco who is ranked #1, a depressed fan base, and it reminds me of a familiar cycle. Hype begets more hype. I'd rather come in cold and without these expectations, and be given the chance to play his game without dozens of microphones constantly in his face.
Let him be Bootsy Thornton instead of James Scott. Scott spent his first year here trying to do too much. He had two great weeks at St.John's as a senior. I think the pressure of playing in front of large loud crowds and seeing BE defenses really got in his head as a junior. There really wasn't much else on that team, and he was totally overwhelmed.
I guess what I am missing is the expectations that you speak of. Maybe a poll on his ppg next year will elucidate it. For me, I'd expect 10 ppg and for him to start at the 3 on a young team that's a year away. I wouldn't be surprised if he was coming off the bench and took a year to meaningfully contribute, nor would I be surprised if he averaged 15 ppg immediately. I would be surprised and disappointed if he was worthless in his two years here.
Very fair.
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Vorfreude
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I think a lot of us also have to remember that this is not the old Big East. There's very good teams but it's not as tough as it used to be. Villanova and Xavier are consistent tourney programs that are built to make Sweet 16's just about every year (built not guaranteed. The expectation is Sweet 16-ish). Seton Hall is not (although they will be very very tough if all return). Marquette is a solid team. Butler is a very solid team. Georgetown is a very solid team. Creighton is a solid team. Those 7 teams are the top of our program and it's very reasonable to see a year where only 4 teams make the tournament and not as high seeds. We had two teams that were seeded 5 or higher (3 if you give Seton Hall the credit the NCAA didn't).
If the Old Big East had 5 teams make it and only two were 5 or higher, it would be one of the worst seasons in conference history. This conference has solid programs that are on the rise. But let's stop pretending that the competition is what it used to be. The ranking of major conferences in B-ball goes like this to me;
1. Big 12
2. ACC
3. Big 10
4. SEC
5. AAC
6. Big East
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I think a lot of us also have to remember that this is not the old Big East. There's very good teams but it's not as tough as it used to be. Villanova and Xavier are consistent tourney programs that are built to make Sweet 16's just about every year (built not guaranteed. The expectation is Sweet 16-ish). Seton Hall is not (although they will be very very tough if all return). Marquette is a solid team. Butler is a very solid team. Georgetown is a very solid team. Creighton is a solid team. Those 7 teams are the top of our program and it's very reasonable to see a year where only 4 teams make the tournament and not as high seeds. We had two teams that were seeded 5 or higher (3 if you give Seton Hall the credit the NCAA didn't).
If the Old Big East had 5 teams make it and only two were 5 or higher, it would be one of the worst seasons in conference history. This conference has solid programs that are on the rise. But let's stop pretending that the competition is what it used to be. The ranking of major conferences in B-ball goes like this to me;
1. Big 12
2. ACC
3. Big 10
4. SEC
5. AAC
6. Big East
We are better then the AAC. I think if we are consistently 4th or 5th best conference that is a reasonable goal to have for the short term future.
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Nobody is calling him a savior. Where do you get this stuff? He is a kid that many of us hope can be a quality Big East starter sooner rather than later. He has undeniable NBA size and physical talent, but he wouldn't be the first player we had like that to completely disappoint us if it went that way. In general, if you are looking for a JUCO as a savior, you are in trouble. Jesus, we are talking about a two-time JUCO All-American and likely JUCO player of the year here. What's his floor if healthy, 10 and 5? SJU was his dream school from high school and made no secret of that. That is why he didn't get the full court press from interested programs like Louisville and Texas.
Two time JUCO AA? Where did you see that for last season?
http://www.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/div1/all-americans/index
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Nobody is calling him a savior. Where do you get this stuff? He is a kid that many of us hope can be a quality Big East starter sooner rather than later. He has undeniable NBA size and physical talent, but he wouldn't be the first player we had like that to completely disappoint us if it went that way. In general, if you are looking for a JUCO as a savior, you are in trouble. Jesus, we are talking about a two-time JUCO All-American and likely JUCO player of the year here. What's his floor if healthy, 10 and 5? SJU was his dream school from high school and made no secret of that. That is why he didn't get the full court press from interested programs like Louisville and Texas.
Two time JUCO AA? Where did you see that for last season?
http://www.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/div1/all-americans/index
Ok, Honorable Mention, Thx
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I think a lot of us also have to remember that this is not the old Big East. There's very good teams but it's not as tough as it used to be. Villanova and Xavier are consistent tourney programs that are built to make Sweet 16's just about every year (built not guaranteed. The expectation is Sweet 16-ish). Seton Hall is not (although they will be very very tough if all return). Marquette is a solid team. Butler is a very solid team. Georgetown is a very solid team. Creighton is a solid team. Those 7 teams are the top of our program and it's very reasonable to see a year where only 4 teams make the tournament and not as high seeds. We had two teams that were seeded 5 or higher (3 if you give Seton Hall the credit the NCAA didn't).
If the Old Big East had 5 teams make it and only two were 5 or higher, it would be one of the worst seasons in conference history. This conference has solid programs that are on the rise. But let's stop pretending that the competition is what it used to be. The ranking of major conferences in B-ball goes like this to me;
1. Big 12
2. ACC
3. Big 10
4. SEC
5. AAC
6. Big East
We are better then the AAC. I think if we are consistently 4th or 5th best conference that is a reasonable goal to have for the short term future.
You left out the PAC-12 which we are better than as well. One must remember though that many of these leagues have 14-16 teams. Can't compare how many teams making it head-to-head unless the conference numbers were even. Big East had half their teams make it, and was one of the best regular season conference teams. That's including a year where SJU has been decimated.
I'd also argue that the Big East could and should easily have Xavier in the sweet 16 as well. They were robbed by that bogus charging call at the end which gave Wisconsin that final shot. Big East is also only 3 seasons old in its current iteration. I think we are on a good trajectory, especially if SJU can start getting in the mix.
The conference overall must recruit more top tier guys though. Need to crack that top 50 more often. It hasn't helped that Wojo has been underwhelming at Marquette despite excellent recruiting, and JT3 hasn't lit it up in the tourney lately either.
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Nobody is calling him a savior. Where do you get this stuff? He is a kid that many of us hope can be a quality Big East starter sooner rather than later. He has undeniable NBA size and physical talent, but he wouldn't be the first player we had like that to completely disappoint us if it went that way. In general, if you are looking for a JUCO as a savior, you are in trouble. Jesus, we are talking about a two-time JUCO All-American and likely JUCO player of the year here. What's his floor if healthy, 10 and 5? SJU was his dream school from high school and made no secret of that. That is why he didn't get the full court press from interested programs like Louisville and Texas.
Two time JUCO AA? Where did you see that for last season?
http://www.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/div1/all-americans/index
Ok, Honorable Mention, Thx
I honestly thought he was third team, but I knew he was named. 1st team all-conference both years, though, and quite the resume out of a very tough JUCO conference. He should be a solid player, but can't bank on anything with St. John's basketball. IMO, Ponds has a better chance of being an alpha scorer--the only question I have is when that starts.
Watching the tournament this past week has made it pretty clear that we are probably two years away from being able to win a game there.
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Nobody is calling him a savior. Where do you get this stuff? He is a kid that many of us hope can be a quality Big East starter sooner rather than later. He has undeniable NBA size and physical talent, but he wouldn't be the first player we had like that to completely disappoint us if it went that way. In general, if you are looking for a JUCO as a savior, you are in trouble. Jesus, we are talking about a two-time JUCO All-American and likely JUCO player of the year here. What's his floor if healthy, 10 and 5? SJU was his dream school from high school and made no secret of that. That is why he didn't get the full court press from interested programs like Louisville and Texas.
Two time JUCO AA? Where did you see that for last season?
http://www.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/div1/all-americans/index
Ok, Honorable Mention, Thx
I honestly thought he was third team, but I knew he was named. 1st team all-conference both years, though, and quite the resume out of a very tough JUCO conference. He should be a solid player, but can't bank on anything with St. John's basketball. IMO, Ponds has a better chance of being an alpha scorer--the only question I have is when that starts.
Watching the tournament this past week has made it pretty clear that we are probably two years away from being able to win a game there.
Agree on that prognosis.
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I think a lot of us also have to remember that this is not the old Big East. There's very good teams but it's not as tough as it used to be. Villanova and Xavier are consistent tourney programs that are built to make Sweet 16's just about every year (built not guaranteed. The expectation is Sweet 16-ish). Seton Hall is not (although they will be very very tough if all return). Marquette is a solid team. Butler is a very solid team. Georgetown is a very solid team. Creighton is a solid team. Those 7 teams are the top of our program and it's very reasonable to see a year where only 4 teams make the tournament and not as high seeds. We had two teams that were seeded 5 or higher (3 if you give Seton Hall the credit the NCAA didn't).
If the Old Big East had 5 teams make it and only two were 5 or higher, it would be one of the worst seasons in conference history. This conference has solid programs that are on the rise. But let's stop pretending that the competition is what it used to be. The ranking of major conferences in B-ball goes like this to me;
1. Big 12
2. ACC
3. Big 10
4. SEC
5. AAC
6. Big East
How could you possibly say that the American was better then the BE? And the SEC? Based on what?
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Nobody is calling him a savior. Where do you get this stuff? He is a kid that many of us hope can be a quality Big East starter sooner rather than later. He has undeniable NBA size and physical talent, but he wouldn't be the first player we had like that to completely disappoint us if it went that way. In general, if you are looking for a JUCO as a savior, you are in trouble. Jesus, we are talking about a two-time JUCO All-American and likely JUCO player of the year here. What's his floor if healthy, 10 and 5? SJU was his dream school from high school and made no secret of that. That is why he didn't get the full court press from interested programs like Louisville and Texas.
Two time JUCO AA? Where did you see that for last season?
http://www.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/div1/all-americans/index
Ok, Honorable Mention, Thx
IMO, Ponds has a. . . chance of being an alpha scorer--the only question I have is when that starts.
Yes.
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Ahmed was recruited by Louisville (Pitino visited him in the fall), Texas (official in December), Cincinnati (official in December), and Oregon. http://247sports.com/player/bashir-ahmed-52192
Dele Coler was recruited by Pitt. If Louisville really wanted him to be a priority, Pitino wouldn't be making last minute attempts to get him, and even if it worked out, playing time at Louisville isn't going to be just handed to you like it most definitely will be at St.John's.
Nobody is calling him a savior. Where do you get this stuff? He is a kid that many of us hope can be a quality Big East starter sooner rather than later. He has undeniable NBA size and physical talent, but he wouldn't be the first player we had like that to completely disappoint us if it went that way. In general, if you are looking for a JUCO as a savior, you are in trouble. Jesus, we are talking about a two-time JUCO All-American and likely JUCO player of the year here. What's his floor if healthy, 10 and 5? SJU was his dream school from high school and made no secret of that. That is why he didn't get the full court press from interested programs like Louisville and Texas.
Two time JUCO AA? Where did you see that for last season?
http://www.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/div1/all-americans/index
Ok, Honorable Mention, Thx
I honestly thought he was third team, but I knew he was named. 1st team all-conference both years, though, and quite the resume out of a very tough JUCO conference. He should be a solid player, but can't bank on anything with St. John's basketball. IMO, Ponds has a better chance of being an alpha scorer--the only question I have is when that starts.
Watching the tournament this past week has made it pretty clear that we are probably two years away from being able to win a game there.
Agree on that prognosis.
And that is more than reasonable considering we are coming off a 1-win Big East campaign with a quickly put-together team. Some people have absolutely unreasonable expectations of whom we should be landing this season and where we should be next season.
Even with the best recruiting class in the Big East, we will be one of the youngest teams in the country next year with almost no upperclassmen. I think we will be a lot more talented than this past year, no doubt, but with little upperclassmen experience. It will take a few years to build this.
Not to hijack the Bashir thread, but I've seen him in one or two other games this season. These last two aren't a very good indication IMO. Kid is going to be very good for us. Like all Juco's he's going to have to work on a few aspects, but he's more talented than Durand as some compared him, and my bet is he will be game-ready pretty early on. He's a good player. I think he's being underestimated a bit lately on this thread. He can do a lot of things on the court. He needs to sure-up his shot selection a bit and get more consistent.
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Per Zach B
Recruits Bashir Ahmed and Richard Freudenberg expected to sign tomorrow on first day of late period I'm told #sjubb
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Per Zach B
Looks like JUCO player of the year will get announced today. Bashir Ahmed a candidate. #sjubb
St John's makes it official. Richard Freudenberg and Bashir Ahmed have signed. #sjubb
Bashir Ahmed tells me he will be in summer school in July at St. John's. More later. #sjubb
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Per Zach B
Looks like JUCO player of the year will get announced today. Bashir Ahmed a candidate. #sjubb
St John's makes it official. Richard Freudenberg and Bashir Ahmed have signed. #sjubb
Bashir Ahmed tells me he will be in summer school in July at St. John's. More later. #sjubb
Hopefully, Bashir just wants to get a head start on his studies and this has nothing at all to do with not being academically eligible yet.
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I hope the whole team is there..getting credits,,,,,,getting practice......getting to know each other.....getting in the weight room.....getting personal development.
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Per Zach B
Looks like JUCO player of the year will get announced today. Bashir Ahmed a candidate. #sjubb
St John's makes it official. Richard Freudenberg and Bashir Ahmed have signed. #sjubb
Bashir Ahmed tells me he will be in summer school in July at St. John's. More later. #sjubb
Hopefully, Bashir just wants to get a head start on his studies and this has nothing at all to do with not being academically eligible yet.
Kids enrolling in summer school is actually a good sign. It usually means they are eligible. Most of the incoming freshman/JUCO transfers enroll in college for a summer session to get a head start because they miss time during the season (same thing with football). By enrolling SJU normally is saying they are cleared to go, if they weren't; they wouldn't enroll them before they were cleared.
When SJU freshmen Harkless, Harrison et al were enrolled at SJU in the summer of 2011 Amir, Norvel and JaKarr were in Philly trying to get eligible. You would be MORE worried if they did NOT enroll for the summer.
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Per Zach B
Looks like JUCO player of the year will get announced today. Bashir Ahmed a candidate. #sjubb
St John's makes it official. Richard Freudenberg and Bashir Ahmed have signed. #sjubb
Bashir Ahmed tells me he will be in summer school in July at St. John's. More later. #sjubb
Hopefully, Bashir just wants to get a head start on his studies and this has nothing at all to do with not being academically eligible yet.
I heard transcript issues awhile back, hope it's straight
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Per Zach B
Looks like JUCO player of the year will get announced today. Bashir Ahmed a candidate. #sjubb
St John's makes it official. Richard Freudenberg and Bashir Ahmed have signed. #sjubb
Bashir Ahmed tells me he will be in summer school in July at St. John's. More later. #sjubb
Hopefully, Bashir just wants to get a head start on his studies and this has nothing at all to do with not being academically eligible yet.
Kids enrolling in summer school is actually a good sign. It usually means they are eligible. Most of the incoming freshman/JUCO transfers enroll in college for a summer session to get a head start because they miss time during the season (same thing with football). By enrolling SJU normally is saying they are cleared to go, if they weren't; they wouldn't enroll them before they were cleared.
When SJU freshmen Harkless, Harrison et al were enrolled at SJU in the summer of 2011 Amir, Norvel and JaKarr were in Philly trying to get eligible. You would be MORE worried if they did NOT enroll for the summer.
Thank you
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http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2655727-ranking-the-top-junior-college-transfers-to-watch-in-the-2016-17-cbb-season
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Great article about him:
http://nypost.com/2016/09/04/st-johns-recruit-has-taken-the-long-road-to-reach-his-dream/
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Great article about him:
http://nypost.com/2016/09/04/st-johns-recruit-has-taken-the-long-road-to-reach-his-dream/
"Ahmed grew up wanting to play for St. John’s. In high school, he attended a lot of games at the Garden, and was frustrated his hometown school, under coach Steve Lavin, didn’t recruit him."
He should have moved to Rome, Lavin would have been all over him.
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Great article about him:
http://nypost.com/2016/09/04/st-johns-recruit-has-taken-the-long-road-to-reach-his-dream/
"Ahmed grew up wanting to play for St. John’s. In high school, he attended a lot of games at the Garden, and was frustrated his hometown school, under coach Steve Lavin, didn’t recruit him."
He should have moved to Rome, Lavin would have been all over him.
I assume you read the next line that you didn't quote. Ahmed was not considered a big east player at the time which is why he committed to Iona .
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I assume you read the next line that you didn't quote. Ahmed was not considered a big east player at the time which is why he committed to Iona .
How about I quote what I want and you quote what you want. For example I like this one: “I thought he was better than Isaiah Whitehead coming out of high school,” said one local college coach.
I mean sure, not everyone can be a flat out Big East stud in the mold of Feddy Mussini and Amir Albigvicwith and Marco Bourgault all the other gems Lavin brought back from his yearly European "recruiting" trips. But imagine how many more games we might have won if Lavin had been able to recruit mid major talent as well as Grasso does. Instead we ended up with Jamal Branch and Felix Balamou. Oh well.
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Also did you read Iona is a mid major college and didn't think he was a major division one prospect at the time.
Don't forget you are other one that refuses to give Matt any credit for his hard instead of praising grasso praise matt for once.