6th Man of St. John's Basketball

St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: apesNapes on December 04, 2014, 11:13:04 AM

Title: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: apesNapes on December 04, 2014, 11:13:04 AM
I know it's a while out, but I think they'll give this team a lot of problems (not a hot take, I know).  They really dominated wisconsin in their building, more than the score shows.  They are so efficient on offense it's scary.  They put themselves in a position to take really good shots.  I think st. John's is a completely different team than wisconsin and our defenders could give duke fits if we play man and play physical and stay in everyone's face.  To win this game it will take a little home cooking from the refs at msg.

Also of note, both bo ryan and coach k called timeouts after big 3s by their own teams (I'd never really watched for this before), i think coach k did this twice actually
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: simplyred on December 04, 2014, 11:19:02 AM
A lot of coaches call TO's after made baskets.  I don't understand the reason but I know that it is not unique to Lavin.
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: desco80 on December 04, 2014, 12:34:04 PM
Duke is very very good.   Everyone talks about all the talent on Kentucky, but Duke is right behind them with 9 mcdonalds all-americans on their roster.
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: Ron Artesticles on December 04, 2014, 01:05:03 PM
Duke is very very good.   Everyone talks about all the talent on Kentucky, but Duke is right behind them with 9 mcdonalds all-americans on their roster.

It's amazing how Coach K can get all these studs to still buy in and play team basketball. IMO, Duke is the best team in the country. They looked unbeatable last night.
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: bball purist on December 04, 2014, 01:26:01 PM
Duke is very very good.   Everyone talks about all the talent on Kentucky, but Duke is right behind them with 9 mcdonalds all-americans on their roster.

It's amazing how Coach K can get all these studs to still buy in and play team basketball. IMO, Duke is the best team in the country. They looked unbeatable last night.
Have enough talent on the perimeter.  they need to watch if Okafor gets in foul trouble, as only Amile J is solid down low.
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: Wods317 on December 04, 2014, 01:37:01 PM
Having watched Duke play a few times this year I can't say I agree that we will give them problems. This Duke team is different then ones in the past. A lot of old school Duke teams had very heady players who all weren't necessarily top tier athletes but played so well as a team. We could take advantage of those teams on occassion with our defense, speed and athleticism. This year Duke is loaded with athletes who also happened to tremendous players. Anything can happen but I don't see us winning this game. I think every game from here on out we have a good shot at winning except this one.
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: Foad on December 04, 2014, 02:05:34 PM
Also of note, both bo ryan and coach k called timeouts after big 3s by their own teams (I'd never really watched for this before), i think coach k did this twice actually

According to the ESPN play by play DoOk's three TOs all came after Wisconsin baskets. Wisconsin took one TO after their own made three, presumably to stop the clock down 6 with 2 minutes to go.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=400587822
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 04, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
30 point loss. Okafor is a going to kill it
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: Tha Kid on December 05, 2014, 09:02:17 AM
This is my favorite Duke team in a while.  The freshmen are so talented and have all bought into team basketball and play w so much poise.  Cook has willingly taken a back seat at pg and converted himself into a dangerous 2.  If sulaomon keeps a good attitude and gets some burn from the bench, that's a huge plus.  I think they are the best team in the country.
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: paultzman on December 05, 2014, 10:15:34 AM
This is my favorite Duke team in a while. The freshmen are so talented and have all bought into team basketball and play w so much poise. Cook has willingly taken a back seat at pg and converted himself into a dangerous 2. If sulaomon keeps a good attitude and gets some burn from the bench, that's a huge plus. I think they are the best team in the country.
Their lack of inside depth may make them vulnerable to Ky., but agree this is one of better Duke teams in some time. The post kid is so fundamentally sound for a freshman. They have all the pieces for sure. A year ago Duke loses to Mercer in NCAA T. An infusion of talented newcomers mixed in with solid returnees turned that around quickly.
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: Celtics11 on December 05, 2014, 02:51:21 PM
Wonder if they are discussing SJU on the Duke boards already.  :-\ ??? ;) ::) :)
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 18, 2014, 09:46:19 PM
UConn's Brimah has barely played with foul trouble tonight. Okafor is gonna be a problem for Obekpa and I hope he can handle it after the Gonzaga game. Need him on the floor.
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: paultzman on December 18, 2014, 10:11:04 PM
UConn's Brimah has barely played with foul trouble tonight. Okafor is gonna be a problem for Obekpa and I hope he can handle it after the Gonzaga game. Need him on the floor.
Joey DelaRosa :)
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: Marillac on December 19, 2014, 09:55:37 PM
We should have a good chance in the Duke game because Coach K is too stubborn to zone us and will extend his guards far enough to play into the hands of our guards.  He'd be better served packing it in and trying to turn us into a one-dimensional team.

Title: Re: Duke
Post by: Tha Kid on December 20, 2014, 10:26:14 AM
We should have a good chance in the Duke game because Coach K is too stubborn to zone us and will extend his guards far enough to play into the hands of our guards.  He'd be better served packing it in and trying to turn us into a one-dimensional team.

Bingo.  His stubbornness re anti-zone has been the most frustrating aspect as a Duke fan.  But for our game against Duke I'll take it.
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 20, 2014, 10:39:29 AM
We should have a good chance in the Duke game because Coach K is too stubborn to zone us and will extend his guards far enough to play into the hands of our guards. He'd be better served packing it in and trying to turn us into a one-dimensional team.
Bingo. His stubbornness re anti-zone has been the most frustrating aspect as a Duke fan. But for our game against Duke I'll take it.
Who ya rooting for kid?
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: simplyred on December 20, 2014, 03:14:44 PM
We should have a good chance in the Duke game because Coach K is too stubborn to zone us and will extend his guards far enough to play into the hands of our guards. He'd be better served packing it in and trying to turn us into a one-dimensional team.
Bingo. His stubbornness re anti-zone has been the most frustrating aspect as a Duke fan. But for our game against Duke I'll take it.
Who ya rooting for kid?
Are you mistaking Kid for Baldi?
Title: Re: Duke
Post by: Tha Kid on December 23, 2014, 09:09:17 AM
We should have a good chance in the Duke game because Coach K is too stubborn to zone us and will extend his guards far enough to play into the hands of our guards. He'd be better served packing it in and trying to turn us into a one-dimensional team.
Bingo. His stubbornness re anti-zone has been the most frustrating aspect as a Duke fan. But for our game against Duke I'll take it.
Who ya rooting for kid?

I was at a wedding with 20 Duke people on Saturday.  Feel free to ask any of them who they know I will root for.  I Don't hide my allegiance to the first team I ever rooted for and grew up following.
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: theTransfer22 on December 23, 2014, 01:44:27 PM
Duke is a really good team and has some depth in the back court with Cook, Tyus Jones, Matt Jones (who plays big minutes defensively) and Suliamon.
Okafor is the best big in college basketball
Jefferson is huge on the glass
Winslow is a scorer


It is going to be a test for St.John's. They can't fall into dry spells scoring because once Duke goes on that run it is over.

Duke over St.John's
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: simplyred on December 23, 2014, 02:09:45 PM
This is the only game on our schedule that I thought, from the beginning of the year, was unwinnable.  Okafor is as fundamentally sound a big man as I can recall seeing as a freshman.  So many guys would have to have an off night for us to pull this one out.  Hope we shock the world!
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: theTransfer22 on December 23, 2014, 02:12:35 PM
This is the only game on our schedule that I thought, from the beginning of the year, was unwinnable.  Okafor is as fundamentally sound a big man as I can recall seeing as a freshman.  So many guys would have to have an off night for us to pull this one out.  Hope we shock the world!

They shocked everyone a few years ago when they upset Duke, but this years Duke team is a lot more athletic.
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: mullin85berry86 on December 23, 2014, 03:25:04 PM
Can't fear Duke. Just gotta know that you're a damn good team as well, and take a backseat to no one.
Look them in the eye and go punch for punch.
Play that relentless defense.

I think CO and Joey will have to play alot together, Joey must be a presense. Rebound and block shot, and anything extra is gravy.
He still has a month to improve
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 26, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
Santa delivered  Duke/SJU, Iona/Niagara doubleheader tickets to Baldi this Christmas. Section 107
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on December 26, 2014, 03:29:42 PM
Santa delivered Duke/SJU, Iona/Niagara doubleheader tickets to Baldi this Christmas. Section 107

Whats the headliner? 
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: carmineabbatiello on December 26, 2014, 03:31:48 PM
Santa delivered Duke/SJU, Iona/Niagara doubleheader tickets to Baldi this Christmas. Section 107

A gift good as that makes up for 10 years worth of socks and ties.  Don't you just love it when they get it perfectly right?

Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 26, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Santa delivered Duke/SJU, Iona/Niagara doubleheader tickets to Baldi this Christmas. Section 107
Whats the headliner?
STJohns vs Duke, JV game
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: apesNapes on January 11, 2015, 03:14:38 PM
from around 12mins to 6mins left of duke ncstate game have been really ugly for duke.  i don't think they could play any worse than that.  turnovers by the guards, big men playing soft, leaving guys unguarded under the basket.  hopefully we get some of that when they come to msg
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: mjmaherjr on January 11, 2015, 03:17:18 PM
I'm worried about beating providence this week before I can even think about Duke because if we dont get 2 wins this week the duke game might be irrelevant
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: paultzman on January 11, 2015, 03:18:20 PM
I'm worried about beating providence this week before I can even think about Duke because if we dont get 2 wins this week the duke game might be irrelevant
Smart man MJ
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: apesNapes on January 11, 2015, 03:28:39 PM
I'm worried about beating providence this week before I can even think about Duke because if we dont get 2 wins this week the duke game might be irrelevant
Smart man MJ
I thought we weren't allowed to think about next year, but next week also out of bounds?

and within no time they go on an 11-0 run capped by a quinn cook 3 (followed immediately by a coach k time out).  cook is a really good player
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: mjmaherjr on January 11, 2015, 03:41:26 PM
I'm worried about beating providence this week before I can even think about Duke because if we dont get 2 wins this week the duke game might be irrelevant
Smart man MJ
I thought we weren't allowed to think about next year, but next week also out of bounds?

and within no time they go on an 11-0 run capped by a quinn cook 3 (followed immediately by a coach k time out).  cook is a really good player
I forgot completely about Cook. What year is he ?
Title: Re: Can we beat Duke?
Post by: apesNapes on January 11, 2015, 04:10:29 PM
I'm worried about beating providence this week before I can even think about Duke because if we dont get 2 wins this week the duke game might be irrelevant
Smart man MJ
I thought we weren't allowed to think about next year, but next week also out of bounds?

and within no time they go on an 11-0 run capped by a quinn cook 3 (followed immediately by a coach k time out).  cook is a really good player
I forgot completely about Cook. What year is he ?
senior. nice four year player, not a superstar on that team, but shoots it well, can take it to the basket, looks to pass, doesn't turn it over too much. offensively he does everything well at this level