6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: JohnnyJungle on March 29, 2015, 07:44:20 PM
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just curious of your thoughts. I'm sure some of you may have strong opinions but please be respectful and civil.
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Yes. No brainer. Kids (youngin's make mistakes so do older people) Should be Coach's and teammates decision though.
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Nope. Time for Mullin to create his own culture for the SJU basketball program. Guys like Obekpa should not have a place in that culture
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Let Mullin decide.
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I'd see where his head is first. If he seems genuinely sorry, yes. On a short leash. Keep tracks on him and if he messes up, dismiss him before the season even starts. He's already gotten chances, this should be the last straw.
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Only if he can sit across the table from Mullin , look him in the eyes and dedicate himself 100%. Anything less, let him go on his merry way.
It's not the pot thing, but a pattern of behavior.
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Yes but on short leash.
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Of course you take him back. He's the only proven post defender on this team and one of the premiere shot blockers in the country.
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As upset as I was, I do believe Chris might respond in a magnificent way to a new coach. As much as Coach tried to get through to him, it seemed to be 1 step forward, two back in the beginning, to two steps forward, one back lately. If the new coach can channel Chris' focus, there's a chance. He can mature some more.
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Has CO even apologized for this? I don't recall reading about one.
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i think CO would be a different person with a different staff and his buddy Diallo there
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Nope. Time for Mullin to create his own culture for the SJU basketball program. Guys like Obekpa should not have a place in that culture
So our fearless leader who battled alcohol addiction and won can't make his own judgment as to whether obekpa is strong enough and has the right mindset to come back a diff man, battle whatever demons he has (not suggesting drugs could just be inner demons) and become a success story?
How can you say Mullins path can't include obekpa?
As HNK said, let Mullin decide. We are talkin about a kid who was dumb and got caught w pot in his system. Not a sexual assaulter or something very bad like that.
In Mullin we Trust.
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Only two people can make the decision and it needs to be unanimous!
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yes. mistakes happen. and his came at the worst time. if he was your son you'd want another chance. he has one last year to graduate. let him finish his sju career on a high note.
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yes. mistakes happen. and his came at the worst time. if he was your son you'd want another chance. he has one last year to graduate. let him finish his sju career on a high note.
"High" note! Poor choice of words lol
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Did anyone vote not to take Lamont Hamilton back?
Obekpa was guilty of being selfish and stupid, not of being a bad person, or kid for that matter. Many people have done just as much as Obekpa, and I actually think it's safe to say that there isn't a college student who hasn't.
He can play on my team. Personally, I don't give a shit what he did. I'd take him back if he punch Lavin in the face while wearing brass knuckles. Just say your sorry, and get ready for your senior year.
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Yes because I think Mullin can relate his own personal experiences to him and hopefully he learns from his mistake. ! mistake going further and off the team
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Chris has made his own mistakes and faced/corrected them. CO should sit down with him, learn some life's lessons and then jointly decide if they can work together
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yes, if he recognized how he hurt the team and apologized.
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I think basketball is the last thing that needs to be considered when making this decision. Mullin is going to try to create a culture and identity here and if he feels Obekpa won't fit into that culture then he shouldn't be back. If Mullin feels he will get his act together and will fit into that culture/identity then bring him back. Need to send a clear message right away about what this program is going to be moving forward
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This is not CYO. We need him, he gets another chance. Wish we could tell him to fxck off.
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This is not CYO. We need him, he gets another chance. Wish we could tell him to fxck off.
Would he really be the missing piece to the puzzle next year? I have a feeling the new staff is going to rebuild really quick to the point where we won't necessarily need him to be successful or we are going to take some lumps next year with or without him
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just curious of your thoughts. I'm sure some of you may have strong opinions but please be respectful and civil.
yes
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This is not CYO. We need him, he gets another chance. Wish we could tell him to fxck off.
Would he really be the missing piece to the puzzle next year? I have a feeling the new staff is going to rebuild really quick to the point where we won't necessarily need him to be successful or we are going to take some lumps next year with or without him
If Mullin thinks he can reach Obekpa, don't you want to see what Obekpa looks like with a coach who may get him more focused?
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This is not CYO. We need him, he gets another chance. Wish we could tell him to fxck off.
Would he really be the missing piece to the puzzle next year? I have a feeling the new staff is going to rebuild really quick to the point where we won't necessarily need him to be successful or we are going to take some lumps next year with or without him
If Mullin thinks he can reach Obekpa, don't you want to see what Obekpa looks like with a coach who may get him more focused?
Yes, I think if Mullin truly believes that Obekpa will fit into the new culture/identity that he is trying to create then I won't be against it at all
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This is not CYO. We need him, he gets another chance. Wish we could tell him to fxck off.
Would he really be the missing piece to the puzzle next year? I have a feeling the new staff is going to rebuild really quick to the point where we won't necessarily need him to be successful or we are going to take some lumps next year with or without him
If Mullin thinks he can reach Obekpa, don't you want to see what Obekpa looks like with a coach who may get him more focused?
very happy that I will never stick for Lavin again. Not lavin's fault Obekpa is a dxck.
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Diallo relationship
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I'll let Mullin decide for me.
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Yes. While I hate that he screwed us, he has to live with much more than just being booted. He has to live with our exit in the tournament and possibly costing Lavin his job. If he wants to return and work, he should talk to the new coach and im ok with that. In fact if he wants to make something of himself basketball-wise, he should return and try to have a great year. It looks better than him transferring, wussing out and avoiding the situation. It's favorable for him as well as the team to re-commit to winning and getting better. It wasn't a huge offense. It's the timing that made it really bad.
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Is he still in school?
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Yes. While I hate that he screwed us, he has to live with much more than just being booted. He has to live with our exit in the tournament and possibly costing Lavin his job. If he wants to return and work, he should talk to the new coach and im ok with that. In fact if he wants to make something of himself basketball-wise, he should return and try to have a great year. It looks better than him transferring, wussing out and avoiding the situation. It's favorable for him as well as the team to re-commit to winning and getting better. It wasn't a huge offense. It's the timing that made it really bad.
Honestly I don't he cares about anybody but himself. At this point he can find a route he will take it. If he does want to come back and Mullin accepts him, then you got to trust that CO will have a different attitude.
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Let Mullin decide on this. He'll know what's best.
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Yes. While I hate that he screwed us, he has to live with much more than just being booted. He has to live with our exit in the tournament and possibly costing Lavin his job. If he wants to return and work, he should talk to the new coach and im ok with that. In fact if he wants to make something of himself basketball-wise, he should return and try to have a great year. It looks better than him transferring, wussing out and avoiding the situation. It's favorable for him as well as the team to re-commit to winning and getting better. It wasn't a huge offense. It's the timing that made it really bad.
If he wants to make it in the NBA, he should be taking 10 bong hits a day.
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Let Mullin decide on this. He'll know what's best.
So people aren't allowed their own opinion?
Dave asked: " would you take Obekpa back", not "do you think Mullin should take him back."
I definitely would. Remember 2 years ago CO refusing to go into the PC game.
After that game there's no way Chris would have been here this year.
I don't care how great a shot blocker chris is.
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Let Mullin decide on this. He'll know what's best.
So people aren't allowed their own opinion?
Dave asked: " would you take Obekpa back", not "do you think Mullin should take him back."
I definitely would. Remember 2 years ago CO refusing to go into the PC game.
After that game there's no way Chris would have been here this year.
I don't care how great a shot blocker chris is.
I think I share Paultzman's opinion (not sure what part of what he said implies no one else is allowed an opinion). The new coach will be able to get a more clear view of what Obekpa wants, and what is best for the program - I think that's why they get paid so much. So, my opinion, is that the new coach should be capable of making this decision, since I am not close enough to the situation to make an educated decision.
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pull his scholarship, pay for his cab to JFK
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I tried to keep it short but......this kid let his teammates, coach and university down, probably cost Lavin his job.....team went from a team that nobody wanted to play to an impossibly undersized tem with no chance in the torney. Cant believe most of you guys want him back or would even consider it as an option. His history is pathetic. Ask yourself, what would Bobby Knight do with this kid? Or any other coach. Nice guys finish last and Lavin was entirely too forgiving.
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Nope. Obekpa = N. Pelle Part Deux
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Nope. Obekpa = N. Pelle Part Deux
Don't you think that's a little extreme? Obekpa played 3 years here, and we saw in the first round of the NCAA tournament just how much we missed him. He F'd up w smoking. No one can deny that. But his behavior during games, albeit childish wasn't any different than the crap Dom has been pulling since his freshman year. And by the time he became a senior, even he grew up.
To deny Obekpa the chance to finish growing up at St.John's just because he smoked a joint is awful. No fan, coach, university or dispicable organization should have the right to take that away from him.
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pull his scholarship, pay for his cab to JFK
So, if we should deport Chris Obekpa for smoking a j, what should we have done to Father Harrington for stealing money from the University and intentionally sabotaging the basketball program for his own personal gain?
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pull his scholarship, pay for his cab to JFK
So, if we should deport Chris Obekpa for smoking a j, what should we have done to Father Harrington for stealing money from the University and intentionally sabotaging the basketball program for his own personal gain?
Yeah Poison, he never did refuse to go in vs. Pc last year huh? That was in march also (which was also an elimination game.)
Like it or not, he f'ed us the last 2 years.
Is anyone bigger then the team? Bet ya Chris wouldn't have played this past year, if he refused Mullin.
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pull his scholarship, pay for his cab to JFK
So, if we should deport Chris Obekpa for smoking a j, what should we have done to Father Harrington for stealing money from the University and intentionally sabotaging the basketball program for his own personal gain?
Yeah Poison, he never did refuse to go in vs. Pc last year huh? That was in march also (which was also an elimination game.)
Like it or not, he f'ed us the last 2 years.
Is anyone bigger then the team? Bet ya Chris wouldn't have played this past year, if he refused Mullin.
I can't judge Obekpa based on message boards rumors from last year. His behavior, along with Harrison's and Jordan's have been an embarrassment to the program. Obekpa was the latest player to screw the program, so now we want him gone. Two years ago, have the board was happy to tell Harrison to get out. Had that happened, St.John's wouldn't have the CBI last year or this year.
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Yes, of course. He's a kid and did something nearly all of us have done at least once in our lives.
He's been very immature his whole career, but Steve wasn't exactly a disciplinarian. Mullin will demand respect.
Also, who better than Mullin to give him a second chance and help him overcome it and grow as a person? Mullin had to the same with a substance problem in his past.
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I saw a few say second chance. How many has he already received?
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pull his scholarship, pay for his cab to JFK
So, if we should deport Chris Obekpa for smoking a j, what should we have done to Father Harrington for stealing money from the University and intentionally sabotaging the basketball program for his own personal gain?
Wasn't he deported to Aruba, at least for a few weeks a year?
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I saw a few say second chance. How many has he already received?
Lets see, last year he refused to go in, so this year was a 2nd chance. Now we should give him a 3r?d chance?
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I don't want to give another chance. I want us to have a power forward. We should let him play becuse we need him.
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I saw a few say second chance. How many has he already received?
Truth is he's probably had 25 from middle school up until now. The question is more if Chris2 is better than one Chris.
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pull his scholarship, pay for his cab to JFK
So, if we should deport Chris Obekpa for smoking a j, what should we have done to Father Harrington for stealing money from the University and intentionally sabotaging the basketball program for his own personal gain?
Has nothing to do with smoking weed. Smoke all the weed you want after the season with my blessing, it is harmless. It has to do with a pattern, starting with his refusal to go in a game which is unpardonable and continuing thru his lack of self control on the court and culminating with letting everyone down this year, particularly the seniors, his teammates. What recruit would want to play with a guy who opts out of a game and lets down his teammates at the most crucial point of their career. He is a cancer and must be removed.
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Has nothing to do with smoking weed. Smoke all the weed you want after the season with my blessing, it is harmless. It has to do with a pattern, starting with his refusal to go in a game which is unpardonable and continuing thru his lack of self control on the court and culminating with letting everyone down this year, particularly the seniors, his teammates. What recruit would want to play with a guy who opts out of a game and lets down his teammates at the most crucial point of their career. He is a cancer and must be removed.
It's everything. It's the shorts, and the finger wagging, and the woofing, and the cheap shots, and the attempted murder, and especially the insane inappropriate grinning. I'm frankly pretty convinced he's a sociopath. That said, Marvin Barnes was a sociopath. So was Artest. Rodman. Calvin Murphy. There's a long list.
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1. Refusing to enter the game last year.
2. De-committing from the program last off season. Remember Lavin had to re-recruit Obekpa and Greene back to the team for this past season.
3. Testing positive for weed in March. His second University offence. This would have been much worse if he tested positive at the NCAAs. A University suspension is two weeks, an NCAA suspension would have been a year.
4. At times, illogical behavior on the court. Illogical elbow swinging, technicals.
If he can't commit to get serious for the next twelve months, the next coach is going to have to think moving forward without Obekpa.
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1. Refusing to enter the game last year.
2. De-committing from the program last off season. Remember Lavin had to re-recruit Obekpa and Greene back to the team for this past season.
3. Testing positive for weed in March. His second University offence. This would have been much worse if he tested positive at the NCAAs. A University suspension is two weeks, an NCAA suspension would have been a year.
4. At times, illogical behavior on the court. Illogical elbow swinging, technicals.
If he can't commit to get serious for the next twelve months, the next coach is going to have to think moving forward without Obekpa.
Other than on message boards where is there more than rumor regarding Obekpa refusing to enter a game?
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1. Refusing to enter the game last year.
2. De-committing from the program last off season. Remember Lavin had to re-recruit Obekpa and Greene back to the team for this past season.
3. Testing positive for weed in March. His second University offence. This would have been much worse if he tested positive at the NCAAs. A University suspension is two weeks, an NCAA suspension would have been a year.
4. At times, illogical behavior on the court. Illogical elbow swinging, technicals.
If he can't commit to get serious for the next twelve months, the next coach is going to have to think moving forward without Obekpa.
Other than on message boards where is there more than rumor regarding Obekpa refusing to enter a game?
I could see it with my own eyes. It happened.
I couldn't hear what they were saying, but it definitely happened.
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I have sat behind the bench at plenty of games . Very rarely do I hear anything of substance. I Don't believe anyone in the stands heard anything at a big east game with the crowd that was there.
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Keep him or let him go, I can see both sides of this argument. I'll have no problem with whatever Mullin decides to do.
Any students on here know if Chris is still going to class? That would at least tell us if that door is still open
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If I was Mullin, I would sit down with CO and his former coaches at OSNA (handlers?) and tell them that I'm giving CO one last chance. Not because he is a good basketball player but because he has a chance to get a free education. He would be on a very short leash and the smallest #$%^ up he can watch the team from the stands.
This would kill two birds with one stone. CO gets a second chance and keep a relationship with the people at OSNA and their pipeline.
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Smoke all the weed you want after the season with my blessing, it is harmless.
Doesn't it lead to the harder stuff?
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Marvin Barnes was a sociopath. So was Artest. Rodman. Calvin Murphy.
What did Calvin Murphy do besides hitting free throws?
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He should stay, I am sure the staff would hev significant rules for him
I would have to accept them, his options are not the greatest at this point
He can only HELP HIMSELF by having a great senior season
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Hes a young man who has made mistakes. He should be given another chance, but he should be made aware that he has multiple strikes. He of all people should realize what a guy like Mullin could do for his future prospects.
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CO would love to play for Chris as he would find someone who agrees with him on the "short shorts". Redmen would be first team to all wear them like Chris in the early 1980's :)
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CO would love to play for Chris as he would find someone who agrees with him on the "short shorts". Redmen would be first team to all wear them like Chris in the early 1980's :)
Lol
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pull his scholarship, pay for his cab to JFK
So, if we should deport Chris Obekpa for smoking a j, what should we have done to Father Harrington for stealing money from the University and intentionally sabotaging the basketball program for his own personal gain?
Wasn't he deported to Aruba, at least for a few weeks a year?
If Aruba has a pro team he may make it if he improves his footwork. :)
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Smoke all the weed you want after the season with my blessing, it is harmless.
Doesn't it lead to the harder stuff?
I hope you are kidding, that belief is ridiculous and has been for 30 years
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The guy is a good player. Good players get extra chances. Simple as that. Hope he takes advantage.
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pull his scholarship, pay for his cab to JFK
So, if we should deport Chris Obekpa for smoking a j, what should we have done to Father Harrington for stealing money from the University and intentionally sabotaging the basketball program for his own personal gain?
Wasn't he deported to Aruba, at least for a few weeks a year?
If Aruba has a pro team he may make it if he improves his footwork. :)
Sorry, cj, I should have been clearer. I was referring to the post that Harrington should be deported. Aruba is/was one of his favorite destinations when his shenannigans were going on at St. John's. Harrington's footwork was good enough to dodge criminal prosecution.
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pull his scholarship, pay for his cab to JFK
So, if we should deport Chris Obekpa for smoking a j, what should we have done to Father Harrington for stealing money from the University and intentionally sabotaging the basketball program for his own personal gain?
Wasn't he deported to Aruba, at least for a few weeks a year?
If Aruba has a pro team he may make it if he improves his footwork. :)
Sorry, cj, I should have been clearer. I was referring to the post that Harrington should be deported. Aruba is/was one of his favorite destinations when his shenannigans were going on at St. John's. Harrington's footwork was good enough to dodge criminal prosecution.
I have a place in Aruba, can I get deported there too?
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Yes. I want to see Obekpa win a nail biter for us at the foul line.
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Smoke all the weed you want after the season with my blessing, it is harmless.
Doesn't it lead to the harder stuff?
I hope you are kidding, that belief is ridiculous and has been for 30 years
Have you seen the excellent documentary "Reefer Madness"? It will teach you all you need to know.
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Hearing he wants to stay.
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He just posted on Instagram
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Great news!
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https://instagram.com/p/0_vFCNCbrF/
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Are you sure?
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It would appear so but its April. We will see in a few months.
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"Sometimes you have to take the leap of faith first, the trust part comes later. #SJUBB #REBIRTH"
First, what the heck does this mean?
Second, how does one figure this mean he is back? Did I miss a quote or some other wording?
Third, I thought it was up to Coach Mullin to allow Chris O. back.
Fourth, trust who? I think Coach Mullin has to trust Chris O. before any leap of faith.
We need to see something from Coach before we starting jumping up and down that Chris O. is back, or rather has been accepted back.
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Hearing he wants to stay.
Same. I think he will be.
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The big issue is Chris O. convincing Coach why he should be re-instated onto the Team.
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"Sometimes you have to take the leap of faith first, the trust part comes later. #SJUBB #REBIRTH"
First, what the heck does this mean?
Second, how does one figure this mean he is back? Did I miss a quote or some other wording?
Third, I thought it was up to Coach Mullin to allow Chris O. back.
Fourth, trust who? I think Coach Mullin has to trust Chris O. before any leap of faith.
We need to see something from Coach before we starting jumping up and down that Chris O. is back, or rather has been accepted back.
I don't think I'm reading into it too much, but Chris O already spoke to Mo. They would have had to agreed on this or he never would have been so presumptuous to assume this - that would be outrageous.
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"Sometimes you have to take the leap of faith first, the trust part comes later. #SJUBB #REBIRTH"
First, what the heck does this mean?
Second, how does one figure this mean he is back? Did I miss a quote or some other wording?
Third, I thought it was up to Coach Mullin to allow Chris O. back.
Fourth, trust who? I think Coach Mullin has to trust Chris O. before any leap of faith.
We need to see something from Coach before we starting jumping up and down that Chris O. is back, or rather has been accepted back.
I don't think I'm reading into it too much, but Chris O already spoke to Mo. They would have had to agreed on this or he never would have been so presumptuous to assume this - that would be outrageous.
Exactly
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"Sometimes you have to take the leap of faith first, the trust part comes later. #SJUBB #REBIRTH"
First, what the heck does this mean?
Second, how does one figure this mean he is back? Did I miss a quote or some other wording?
Third, I thought it was up to Coach Mullin to allow Chris O. back.
Fourth, trust who? I think Coach Mullin has to trust Chris O. before any leap of faith.
We need to see something from Coach before we starting jumping up and down that Chris O. is back, or rather has been accepted back.
I don't think I'm reading into it too much, but Chris O already spoke to Mo. They would have had to agreed on this or he never would have been so presumptuous to assume this - that would be outrageous.
Agreed. And to be frank it's a leap of faith on both parts.
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The big issue is Chris O. convincing Coach why he should be re-instated onto the Team.
He's on the team - his two week suspension is officially over.
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"I don't think I'm reading into it too much, but Chris O already spoke to Mo. They would have had to agreed on this or he never would have been so presumptuous to assume this - that would be outrageous."
True, but getting kicked off the Team before the NCAAs is outrageous already.
I think we can feel confident, but really have to wait until we hear from Coach on this issue.
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"I don't think I'm reading into it too much, but Chris O already spoke to Mo. They would have had to agreed on this or he never would have been so presumptuous to assume this - that would be outrageous."
True, but getting kicked off the Team before the NCAAs is outrageous already.
I think we can feel confident, but really have to wait until we hear from Coach on this issue.
Chris was kicked off the team? I don't think that was the case.
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Hearing he wants to stay.
Were is he going to go? Istanbul? He doesn't have many options.
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"I don't think I'm reading into it too much, but Chris O already spoke to Mo. They would have had to agreed on this or he never would have been so presumptuous to assume this - that would be outrageous."
True, but getting kicked off the Team before the NCAAs is outrageous already.
I think we can feel confident, but really have to wait until we hear from Coach on this issue.
Chris was kicked off the team? I don't think that was the case.
What is the school rule for 2 failed tests?
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We have two Forums going on whether or not Chris O. will be back or should be back. So I am not sure JJ posters are making that assumption, even though it could be right.
Yes, he met with Coach, but I would still wait until I see the white smoke, no pun intended, from Coach Mullin's office on this matter. The offense was not missing a practice, it was a very serious offense for two reasons- what he did and the impact on his Team.
Personally, I think he will be back, play better, and be more responsible as a person in the coming season..
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We have two Forums going on whether or not Chris O. will be back or should be back. So I am not sure JJ posters are making that assumption, even though it could be right.
Yes, he met with Coach, but I would still wait until I see the white smoke, no pun intended, from Coach Mullin's office on this matter. The offense was not missing a practice, it was a very serious offense for two reasons- what he did and the impact on his Team.
Personally, I think he will be back, play better, and be more responsible as a person in the coming season..
It could also be argued that he helped get Lavin fired, because of another off the court infraction, which es helped them get bounced in the first round. Note I did not say the reason.
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What is the school rule for 2 failed tests?
I'm pretty sure, it is double secret probation.
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What is the school rule for 2 failed tests?
I'm pretty sure, it is double secret probation.
My status at the University of Iona
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1) I think it's good he's coming back. Good for the kid. Good for SJU. Good for Obekpa's potential career as he likely would have tried declaring for the draft unprepared and without a degree. Now he has a chance to get better, actually become a prospect AND get a degree.
2) I don't think he will be making the same mistake twice. Hopefully we are getting a more motivated and focused player.
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he was seen eating white castle at 1am last night. I'm concerned :)
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Can't really recall other African born college hoop players having behavioral issues like our CO. I could be wrong on this and even if there are others, percentage wise it would seem to be low. Of course i could be wrong on this also. Opinions? Just curious.
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Can't really recall other African born college hoop players having behavioral issues like our CO. I could be wrong on this and even if there are others, percentage wise it would seem to be low. Of course i could be wrong on this also. Opinions? Just curious.
Why does it matter that he's African born? How is that relevant to his behavior?
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Can't really recall other African born college hoop players having behavioral issues like our CO. I could be wrong on this and even if there are others, percentage wise it would seem to be low. Of course i could be wrong on this also. Opinions? Just curious.
Just that they don't seem to get in trouble that's all but I don't know if I am right, just curious. hope you are not insinuating that I am making any time of racial issue out of this.
Why does it matter that he's African born? How is that relevant to his behavior?
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"Sometimes you have to take the leap of faith first, the trust part comes later. #SJUBB #REBIRTH"
First, what the heck does this mean?
Second, how does one figure this mean he is back? Did I miss a quote or some other wording?
Third, I thought it was up to Coach Mullin to allow Chris O. back.
Fourth, trust who? I think Coach Mullin has to trust Chris O. before any leap of faith.
We need to see something from Coach before we starting jumping up and down that Chris O. is back, or rather has been accepted back.
The leap of faith part is susceptible to a few interpretations, but following it up with "the trust part comes later" pretty much eliminates all reasonable interpretations besides returning and playing for a new coach.
Good decision by Chris. I think he's a really good kid that just needs to grow up a bit. Remember, this is the same young man that started his own charity last year. How many college students do that? Mullin will be running a very different ship than the previous regime.
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"Sometimes you have to take the leap of faith first, the trust part comes later. #SJUBB #REBIRTH"
First, what the heck does this mean?
Second, how does one figure this mean he is back? Did I miss a quote or some other wording?
Third, I thought it was up to Coach Mullin to allow Chris O. back.
Fourth, trust who? I think Coach Mullin has to trust Chris O. before any leap of faith.
We need to see something from Coach before we starting jumping up and down that Chris O. is back, or rather has been accepted back.
Perhaps obekpa is saying that Mullin is taking the leap of faith but he will earn Mullins trust later.
Regardless this is great and hopefully obekpa dedicates himself.
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"Sometimes you have to take the leap of faith first, the trust part comes later. #SJUBB #REBIRTH"
First, what the heck does this mean?
Second, how does one figure this mean he is back? Did I miss a quote or some other wording?
Third, I thought it was up to Coach Mullin to allow Chris O. back.
Fourth, trust who? I think Coach Mullin has to trust Chris O. before any leap of faith.
We need to see something from Coach before we starting jumping up and down that Chris O. is back, or rather has been accepted back.
Perhaps obekpa is saying that Mullin is taking the leap of faith but he will earn Mullins trust later.
Regardless this is great and hopefully obekpa dedicates himself.
The leap of faith is the leap of faith Obekpa is staying. I don't he believes he did anything wrong. In his head, he probably thinks there are hundreds of players who have gotten away with much worse. Too bad he's right.
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Kierkegaard called faith the great leap into the absurd.
The interesting thing about this
"Sometimes you have to take the leap of faith first, the trust part comes later."
is that it's evidently Mullin who has to take the leap. You'd think it was the other way around, that the multiple offender would have to demonstrate remorse and rehabilitation before being rewarded with ablution. Unless you were a sociopath obviously, then you'd think that you were owed a secondteenth chance.
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Kierkegaard called faith the great leap into the absurd.
The interesting thing about this
"Sometimes you have to take the leap of faith first, the trust part comes later."
is that it's evidently Mullin who has to take the leap. You'd think it was the other way around, that the multiple offender would have to demonstrate remorse and rehabilitation before being rewarded with ablution. Unless you were a sociopath obviously, then you'd think that you were owed a secondteenth chance.
Obekpa is clearly operating on the emotional level of a 3 year old. If he's going to cut the shit, it isn't because Mullin inspired him. It will be because his room for error in the eyes of the University, the NCAA and the general public is thin.
It is also going to be a concern for NBA GMs. Marcus Hatten was caught with a doobie in Queens after his college career was over. That didn't kill his dream, but if you're a fringe prospect, you've now made it clear how seriously you take your career.
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"Sometimes you have to take the leap of faith first, the trust part comes later. #SJUBB #REBIRTH"
First, what the heck does this mean?
Second, how does one figure this mean he is back? Did I miss a quote or some other wording?
Third, I thought it was up to Coach Mullin to allow Chris O. back.
Fourth, trust who? I think Coach Mullin has to trust Chris O. before any leap of faith.
We need to see something from Coach before we starting jumping up and down that Chris O. is back, or rather has been accepted back.
Possibly referring Chris M having to take the leap of faith (not him)
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Let's be real. He's referring to taking a leap of faith with a coach he doesn't know.
He doesn't perceive himself as the risk, he thinks Mullin is lol. That's what you get with young pampered athletes
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Smoke all the weed you want after the season with my blessing, it is harmless.
Doesn't it lead to the harder stuff?
Have seen it, mediocre comedy
I hope you are kidding, that belief is ridiculous and has been for 30 years
Have you seen the excellent documentary "Reefer Madness"? It will teach you all you need to know.
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he was seen eating white castle at 1am last night. I'm concerned :)
Carvel at 2;30 with a larger grin then usual ;D
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Good....he needs the weight/muscle. I think he's back or will be and could help with getting Diallo.
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Let's be real. He's referring to taking a leap of faith with a coach he doesn't know.
He doesn't perceive himself as the risk, he thinks Mullin is lol. That's what you get with young pampered athletes
That was my interpretation as well. CO isn't alone in having that opinion these days, so I agree with you.
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His post is a quote from a superman movie, so not sure what it means exactly in this context, but I don't think is has as much depth or nuance as some are ascribing to it.
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Let's be real. He's referring to taking a leap of faith with a coach he doesn't know.
He doesn't perceive himself as the risk, he thinks Mullin is lol. That's what you get with young pampered athletes
That was my interpretation as well. CO isn't alone in having that opinion these days, so I agree with you.
This happens with every Kid who "looses" the coach who recruited him. The player built a rapport with the coach who recruited him and developed a relationship as he played for the individual. The coach leaves and someone comes in who the player does not know. Anxiety develops because the player, at 20, has to deal with someone they know nothing about--what style will the new coach play? Will I fit in? Think about yourselves when you get a new boss who comes from outside of your company--you go through the same anxiety as you don't know if you will fit in; you wonder if the new boss will bring in folks he is familiar with and promote them over you; etc.
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Valid points Redslope. I agree with your comments.
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Let's be real. He's referring to taking a leap of faith with a coach he doesn't know.
He doesn't perceive himself as the risk, he thinks Mullin is lol. That's what you get with young pampered athletes
That was my interpretation as well. CO isn't alone in having that opinion these days, so I agree with you.
This happens with every Kid who "looses" the coach who recruited him. The player built a rapport with the coach who recruited him and developed a relationship as he played for the individual. The coach leaves and someone comes in who the player does not know. Anxiety develops because the player, at 20, has to deal with someone they know nothing about--what style will the new coach play? Will I fit in? Think about yourselves when you get a new boss who comes from outside of your company--you go through the same anxiety as you don't know if you will fit in; you wonder if the new boss will bring in folks he is familiar with and promote them over you; etc.
What ever he may feel justified or not he should be talkibg privately To friends and fanily that you have doubts or that you feel you are taking a leap of faith with your new boss. Saying it publicly, especially after you did a boneheaded thing that screwed your teammates, embarrased your employer, and ruined the chance to have your company succeed is quite another. It also doesn't hell that as a worker, you have not been a model citizen, and the only reason why you have stayed at your current job is because there is no solid place to go at this point.
...To be fair this is definitely a generational thing and that the millennium generations today do not see social media as a public forum, but has personnel place where you can share your thoughts. I do think it was more of personnel thoughts then a knock against Coach Mullin.
I am glad that he is back and I have full faith he will do his part for the team.
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I think it was a message for Diallo.