6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: talkbigeast on December 01, 2017, 10:14:04 AM
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First game attending this year and Going to my first game on Campus this weekend...dreading the commute out there.....but with that, Johniees come out running in 1st half and have the game in hands by halftime.
St.Johns 75
Sacred Heart 58
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SJU 85
The other SHU 67
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This is a bloodbath, I want to see Shamorie regain his shooting form. Most importantly I would like to see Tariq have a great game in and around the paint. I also would like to see extended minutes for our bench, if Bryan/Amar/Kassoum are all playing 10+ minutes and gaining confidence it'll go a long way as we enter into consistent, competitive ball this month.
I think that we continue to hold another opponent to less than 65 total points, the turnovers forced, team steals and blocks continue to rise-
SHU 59
SJU 81
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This is a bloodbath, I want to see Shamorie regain his shooting form. Most importantly I would like to see Tariq have a great game in and around the paint. I also would like to see extended minutes for our bench, if Bryan/Amar/Kassoum are all playing 10+ minutes and gaining confidence it'll go a long way as we enter into consistent, competitive ball this month.
I think that we continue to hold another opponent to less than 65 total points, the turnovers forced, team steals and blocks continue to rise-
SHU 59
SJU 81
Agree getting the bench some minutes. We are going to need them .
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This is a bloodbath, I want to see Shamorie regain his shooting form. Most importantly I would like to see Tariq have a great game in and around the paint. I also would like to see extended minutes for our bench, if Bryan/Amar/Kassoum are all playing 10+ minutes and gaining confidence it'll go a long way as we enter into consistent, competitive ball this month.
I think that we continue to hold another opponent to less than 65 total points, the turnovers forced, team steals and blocks continue to rise-
SHU 59
SJU 81
Agree getting the bench some minutes. We are going to need them .
Although Yakwe hasn’t been great, he has proved to be a valuable contributor. Considering our limited depth and the propensity for Clark and Owens to get in foul trouble. I think he should be getting 10 minutes a game against good competition. More against patsies.
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Heart Attack Burger. 85
Cardiac Arrest. 60
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They beat Maine by 1 and Maine is terrible.
We should lay the wood to this team.
80 - 51
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This is a bloodbath, I want to see Shamorie regain his shooting form. Most importantly I would like to see Tariq have a great game in and around the paint. I also would like to see extended minutes for our bench, if Bryan/Amar/Kassoum are all playing 10+ minutes and gaining confidence it'll go a long way as we enter into consistent, competitive ball this month.
I think that we continue to hold another opponent to less than 65 total points, the turnovers forced, team steals and blocks continue to rise-
SHU 59
SJU 81
Agree getting the bench some minutes. We are going to need them .
Although Yakwe hasn’t been great, he has proved to be a valuable contributor. Considering our limited depth and the propensity for Clark and Owens to get in foul trouble. I think he should be getting 10 minutes a game against good competition. More against patsies.
I think yakwe has been better lately. He is going to have to play more then 10 minutes most games. I don’t think Clarke or Owens are that much better then him.
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I agree Yakwe's been better and will have to get minutes, but I'm way more confident in Clark's shooting and ability to be physical or Owen's blocking and overall court awareness... and if Owens got more opportunities to shoot it might open floor better. I feel like he's underutilized that way
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St.John’s - 89
Sacred Heart - 56
Close!
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Queens 95 Brooklawn 45
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I think we win by 20. Regarding Owen and Clark, they should get as much time as they can, considering fouls and fatigue against good competition. Owens outside shot has improved. But, I am not that confident in it. If you look at our bigs under Mullin; Sima, Yakwe, Owens, none have really had a good offensive game, I wonder how much of that is coaching. I would like to see Owens and Yakwe , get rebounds and put backs. Unfortunately Amar has shown no desire to play on the inside, so the biggest guy on our team can sit on the bench and wave towels against good competition. But He should get some time today, regardless.
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Marcus LoVett is out today against Sacred Heart with an injury, per source. Will update soon. #sjubb
Zach B
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Zach B
Marcus LoVett has a sprained left knee. Didn’t practice this week. Doesn’t appear to be serious. Uncertain if he’ll play against Grand Canyon Tuesday #sjubb
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71-64 good guys
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Ponds gets his first 30 point game.
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Ponds gets his first 30 point game.
A little late to the party. A day late and a dollar short. Ponds already had 31 against Mizzu. Don't you follow it?
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Lovett not practicing all week with a bum knee is a very bad sign. Can't afford to lose anybody for an extended period of time especially him
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Ponds gets his first 30 point game.
A little late to the party. A day late and a dollar short. Ponds already had 31 against Mizzu. Don't you follow it?
Ponds gets his first 30 point game in a win :)
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The shot selection is still atrocious
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That pass by Ponds to Simon was as elite as it gets. He sees everything.
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Soon it’s gonna be time to play some December-level ball. It’s not like we don’t have the tools. Need to want it at both ends.
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If Clark continues to hit the offensive glass like this he'll be my favorite player very quickly.
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If Clark continues to hit the offensive glass like this he'll be my favorite player very quickly.
He he needs to be more Anthony Glover and less Willie Shaw. He’s a PF who can hit and open outside shot, but should be an inside guy at both ends.
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I missed it. Where's Lovett?
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Sprained left knee
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To all the people asking for a game where St. John's is playing unquestionably good, here ya go.
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To all the people asking for a game where St. John's is playing unquestionably good, here ya go.
A December second half.. Good to see... Lovett better rest up. It might be good for his game to calm it down a bit anyway. Hopefully not too long ...
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If Clark continues to hit the offensive glass like this he'll be my favorite player very quickly.
He he needs to be more Anthony Glover and less Willie Shaw. He’s a PF who can hit and open outside shot, but should be an inside guy at both ends.
We need his threes but he's got to be on the glass every shot.
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For as worrisome as the 1st half was, the 2nd half allievated it. Hopefully LoVett is okay because they need him to be at the top of his game.
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Ok Coach, pull everyone but Yakwe, AA, and Trimble.
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Real good signs today:
Clark hitting the offensive glas hard.
The hi-lo with Simon to Owens was goddamn beautiful.
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If Clark continues to hit the offensive glass like this he'll be my favorite player very quickly.
That’s what we need him for. Very strong physically. It was nice to see his inside presence and inside offense. Owens also had a nice game getting put backs and dunks. Nice to see. Ponds coming out of his offensive funk. Not a good first half, but fired on all cylinders second half.
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We have all the tools to be a strong team this season. We need Clark as an inside player and Owens to keep doing what he’s doing. We won’t create more depth, but Yakwe also seems to be doing his thing now... gotta fake it to the next level...
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
Not too bad. We can still beat Grand Canyon if we play well. ASU was gonna be a tough one anyway. Trimble gonna have to get more time, which imo might be good for us down the line this season in Big East play...
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
Hard to find something negative to say after a 35 point win where they shot 55 percent from the floor, held their 6th opponent to under 61 points, were +8 rebounds, had 15 steals, 8 blocks, and forced 25 to's, but you managed it. Kudos.
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Post Game Press Conference
http://www.redstormsports.com/collegesportslive/index_ie.html?media=567480
Post Game Quotes
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/120217aab.html
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So like molloy and today, we'll toy with the lesser teams for a half, and let them feel good about themselves.
Then wipe them out in the 2nd half? lol
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
Hard to find something negative to say after a 35 point win where they shot 55 percent from the floor, held their 6th opponent to under 61 points, were +8 rebounds, had 15 steals, 8 blocks, and forced 25 to's, but you managed it. Kudos.
So just because we beat a team we're 35 points better than by 35 points, I should hold off mentioning that one of our starters won't be playing in neither of the next 2 big games due to an injury nobody had known about prior to today? You're a clown.
You want a parade down Union Turnpike for beating Sacred Heart, one of the 30 or so worst teams in division 1. It's no wonder this program hasn't ascended from mediocrity in decades with standards like this
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
100% the fault of the staff. It’s too bad they can’t be fined for their carelessness.
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
Hard to find something negative to say after a 35 point win where they shot 55 percent from the floor, held their 6th opponent to under 61 points, were +8 rebounds, had 15 steals, 8 blocks, and forced 25 to's, but you managed it. Kudos.
So just because we beat a team we're 35 points better than by 35 points, I should hold off mentioning that one of our starters won't be playing in neither of the next 2 big games due to an injury nobody had known about prior to today? You're a clown.
You want a parade down Union Turnpike for beating Sacred Heart, one of the 30 or so worst teams in division 1. It's no wonder this program hasn't ascended from mediocrity in decades with standards like this
Debbie downer
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I just have to say I never thought I'd ever be at CA for a National Championship banner unveiling but yet here we are, felt amazing. Fantastic day today.
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
Hard to find something negative to say after a 35 point win where they shot 55 percent from the floor, held their 6th opponent to under 61 points, were +8 rebounds, had 15 steals, 8 blocks, and forced 25 to's, but you managed it. Kudos.
So just because we beat a team we're 35 points better than by 35 points, I should hold off mentioning that one of our starters won't be playing in neither of the next 2 big games due to an injury nobody had known about prior to today? You're a clown.
You want a parade down Union Turnpike for beating Sacred Heart, one of the 30 or so worst teams in division 1. It's no wonder this program hasn't ascended from mediocrity in decades with standards like this
So if they don't win by 35 it's embarrassing this programs struggles or somehow loses a game like this.
If they do win by 35 it's why are you excited about winning and looking like the superior team?
Another good win and team is looking improved.
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
100% the fault of the staff. It’s too bad they can’t be fined for their carelessness.
That's a bold claim
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That's not a bold claim. It is an idiotic claim.
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That's not a bold claim. It is an idiotic claim.
Who hands out the ships smart guy? A long time fan should know that. No one told them to begin the season with 9 players. That is 100% on the staff. If you don’t see that you don’t understand how this works.
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So, if we had all 13 ships filled and Lovett still played his usual 30 min/game, would it still be coaches fault that he sprained his knee in a way you have no idea how it occurred?
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
Hard to find something negative to say after a 35 point win where they shot 55 percent from the floor, held their 6th opponent to under 61 points, were +8 rebounds, had 15 steals, 8 blocks, and forced 25 to's, but you managed it. Kudos.
So just because we beat a team we're 35 points better than by 35 points, I should hold off mentioning that one of our starters won't be playing in neither of the next 2 big games due to an injury nobody had known about prior to today? You're a clown.
Personally I don't go in for name calling but I know you're still mourning the loss of Coach Lavs so I'll chalk your intemperate language up to grief.
You want a parade down Union Turnpike for beating Sacred Heart, one of the 30 or so worst teams in division 1. It's no wonder this program hasn't ascended from mediocrity in decades with standards like this
I don't recall asking for a parade. I recall pointing out that a poster who calls himself "go redmen" posted three comments, all of them negative, during and after what was a pretty convincing win. Seems kind of pathetic to me. Where exactly do you want the redmen to go?
You want standards? Last year the team was 2-5 after seven games. This year they're 7-1 after eight. Last year they were 302nd in scoring defense at nearly 80 points a game. This year they're 24th, at 60 ppg. That's constitutes improvement by any standard. That a couple of the wins were over just the sort of cupcakes that Lou Carnesecca used to feast upon on his yearly trek to a first round loss - which is about the last time St John's was relevant - well, last year this time they'd lost to Delaware State and Old Dominion. So I'll be happy with this. Because you can only beat the teams you play and you beat them one at a time. It's like what coach Lavs said after won of his signature wins over mighty Fordham: "focus on the path of incremental progress, because that's what ultimately positions a team to do something special come March. Focusing on growth doesn't guarantee success, but it's proved to be the most effective approach to enhance the percentages or probabilities of playing your best basketball in the postseason."
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So, if we had all 13 ships filled and Lovett still played his usual 30 min/game, would it still be coaches fault that he sprained his knee in a way you have no idea how it occurred?
This isn’t complicated. The staff went into the season without enough players. Whether it’s LoVett or another important player that gets hurt isn’t the point. Did you actually think that I’m somehow blaming the staff for an injury?
It probably would have been a challenge to land a grad transfer big and maybe another combo guard, but the staff has the same resinsibility to field a full roster as any other in our conference. Now, we’re going to be asked to play a ranked team with 3 guards.
Like I said earlier, the staff should be fined for their incompetence and laziness.
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
Hard to find something negative to say after a 35 point win where they shot 55 percent from the floor, held their 6th opponent to under 61 points, were +8 rebounds, had 15 steals, 8 blocks, and forced 25 to's, but you managed it. Kudos.
So just because we beat a team we're 35 points better than by 35 points, I should hold off mentioning that one of our starters won't be playing in neither of the next 2 big games due to an injury nobody had known about prior to today? You're a clown.
Personally I don't go in for name calling but I know you're still mourning the loss of Coach Lavs so I'll chalk your intemperate language up to grief.
You want a parade down Union Turnpike for beating Sacred Heart, one of the 30 or so worst teams in division 1. It's no wonder this program hasn't ascended from mediocrity in decades with standards like this
I don't recall asking for a parade. I recall pointing out that a poster who calls himself "go redmen" posted three comments, all of them negative, during and after what was a pretty convincing win. Seems kind of pathetic to me. Where exactly do you want the redmen to go?
You want standards? Last year the team was 2-5 after seven games. This year they're 7-1 after eight. Last year they were 302nd in scoring defense at nearly 80 points a game. This year they're 24th, at 60 ppg. That's constitutes improvement by any standard. That a couple of the wins were over just the sort of cupcakes that Lou Carnesecca used to feast upon on his yearly trek to a first round loss - which is about the last time St John's was relevant - well, last year this time they'd lost to Delaware State and Old Dominion. So I'll be happy with this. Because you can only beat the teams you play and you beat them one at a time. It's like what coach Lavs said after won of his signature wins over mighty Fordham: "focus on the path of incremental progress, because that's what ultimately positions a team to do something special come March. Focusing on growth doesn't guarantee success, but it's proved to be the most effective approach to enhance the percentages or probabilities of playing your best basketball in the postseason."
I was as anti-Lavin as they come. I get nauseas when I see him on TV.
All I did was provide an update on that status of an injury to one of our best players in this thread and somehow that's negative. We looked good against Sacred Heart, congrats. So would my nephews 5th grade CYO team. This game was a glorified practice and we should have won by 35 and glad that we did. Now, onto the next since we play some real teams coming up
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So, if we had all 13 ships filled and Lovett still played his usual 30 min/game, would it still be coaches fault that he sprained his knee in a way you have no idea how it occurred?
This isn’t complicated. The staff went into the season without enough players. Whether it’s LoVett or another important player that gets hurt isn’t the point. Did you actually think that I’m somehow blaming the staff for an injury?
It probably would have been a challenge to land a grad transfer big and maybe another combo guard, but the staff has the same resinsibility to field a full roster as any other in our conference. Now, we’re going to be asked to play a ranked team with 3 guards.
Like I said earlier, the staff should be fined for their incompetence and laziness.
+1
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I get your point now.
Still not sure if it's laziness & incompetence as much as having an explainable crappy record the last two years and making it hard to attract marginal D1 players to fill bottom or roster spots vs. look to go to a school in a weaker conference or without a strong starting 5 and have better likelihood of minutes.
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I get your point now.
Still not sure if it's laziness & incompetence as much as having an explainable crappy record the last two years and making it hard to attract marginal D1 players to fill bottom or roster spots vs. look to go to a school in a weaker conference or without a strong starting 5 and have better likelihood of minutes.
I agree. I think they didn’t want to field the roster w mediocre players and would rather get quality players over time and not waste scholarships. Thankfully we were able to get Trimble last minute. Looks good for a frosh. That said, no excuse for us not being able to recruit 1 big eligible to play this year. WLovett out, we will see Bash getting plenty of time at the 3. Fortunately Yakwe stepped up his game. Next year we will add Williams and Dixon as guards. Two pretty good players. Recruiting is tough. Maybe hard to predict who leaves. We lost Mussini and Ellison. We were lucky Lovett decided to stay.
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
Hard to find something negative to say after a 35 point win where they shot 55 percent from the floor, held their 6th opponent to under 61 points, were +8 rebounds, had 15 steals, 8 blocks, and forced 25 to's, but you managed it. Kudos.
So just because we beat a team we're 35 points better than by 35 points, I should hold off mentioning that one of our starters won't be playing in neither of the next 2 big games due to an injury nobody had known about prior to today? You're a clown.
You want a parade down Union Turnpike for beating Sacred Heart, one of the 30 or so worst teams in division 1. It's no wonder this program hasn't ascended from mediocrity in decades with standards like this
So if they don't win by 35 it's embarrassing this programs struggles or somehow loses a game like this.
If they do win by 35 it's why are you excited about winning and looking like the superior team?
Another good win and team is looking improved.
This is not a good win and you know that. It's a win. The only thing that can happen from playing a team like Sacred Heart is being embarrassed. I get why these games are scheduled and you beat them and move on.
You also can't tell how your team looks based on a game against a team like Sacred Heart. Yeah we aren't terrible but that's all that can gained from that. Last year we beat Bethune Cookman by 47 then Binghamton by 16. We then went on to lose 5 in a row including one to Delaware State. Following a 28 point win vs Fordham we lost to LIU.
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
Hard to find something negative to say after a 35 point win where they shot 55 percent from the floor, held their 6th opponent to under 61 points, were +8 rebounds, had 15 steals, 8 blocks, and forced 25 to's, but you managed it. Kudos.
So just because we beat a team we're 35 points better than by 35 points, I should hold off mentioning that one of our starters won't be playing in neither of the next 2 big games due to an injury nobody had known about prior to today? You're a clown.
Personally I don't go in for name calling but I know you're still mourning the loss of Coach Lavs so I'll chalk your intemperate language up to grief.
You want a parade down Union Turnpike for beating Sacred Heart, one of the 30 or so worst teams in division 1. It's no wonder this program hasn't ascended from mediocrity in decades with standards like this
I don't recall asking for a parade. I recall pointing out that a poster who calls himself "go redmen" posted three comments, all of them negative, during and after what was a pretty convincing win. Seems kind of pathetic to me. Where exactly do you want the redmen to go?
You want standards? Last year the team was 2-5 after seven games. This year they're 7-1 after eight. Last year they were 302nd in scoring defense at nearly 80 points a game. This year they're 24th, at 60 ppg. That's constitutes improvement by any standard. That a couple of the wins were over just the sort of cupcakes that Lou Carnesecca used to feast upon on his yearly trek to a first round loss - which is about the last time St John's was relevant - well, last year this time they'd lost to Delaware State and Old Dominion. So I'll be happy with this. Because you can only beat the teams you play and you beat them one at a time. It's like what coach Lavs said after won of his signature wins over mighty Fordham: "focus on the path of incremental progress, because that's what ultimately positions a team to do something special come March. Focusing on growth doesn't guarantee success, but it's proved to be the most effective approach to enhance the percentages or probabilities of playing your best basketball in the postseason."
I was as anti-Lavin as they come. I get nauseas when I see him on TV.
Huh. Maybe I am a clown.
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
Hard to find something negative to say after a 35 point win where they shot 55 percent from the floor, held their 6th opponent to under 61 points, were +8 rebounds, had 15 steals, 8 blocks, and forced 25 to's, but you managed it. Kudos.
So just because we beat a team we're 35 points better than by 35 points, I should hold off mentioning that one of our starters won't be playing in neither of the next 2 big games due to an injury nobody had known about prior to today? You're a clown.
You want a parade down Union Turnpike for beating Sacred Heart, one of the 30 or so worst teams in division 1. It's no wonder this program hasn't ascended from mediocrity in decades with standards like this
So if they don't win by 35 it's embarrassing this programs struggles or somehow loses a game like this.
If they do win by 35 it's why are you excited about winning and looking like the superior team?
Another good win and team is looking improved.
This is not a good win and you know that. It's a win. The only thing that can happen from playing a team like Sacred Heart is being embarrassed. I get why these games are scheduled and you beat them and move on.
You also can't tell how your team looks based on a game against a team like Sacred Heart. Yeah we aren't terrible but that's all that can gained from that. Last year we beat Bethune Cookman by 47 then Binghamton by 16. We then went on to lose 5 in a row including one to Delaware State. Following a 28 point win vs Fordham we lost to LIU.
No one is dancing down Union turnpike after this win. Need some patsies on the schedule , gives us a chance to give our backups some experience and confidence and work on things. . It’s a win . Next week will be challenging, especially wo Lovett. Hoping for a split.
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Lovett most likely out for the 2 west coast games according to Zach. Not good
Hard to find something negative to say after a 35 point win where they shot 55 percent from the floor, held their 6th opponent to under 61 points, were +8 rebounds, had 15 steals, 8 blocks, and forced 25 to's, but you managed it. Kudos.
So just because we beat a team we're 35 points better than by 35 points, I should hold off mentioning that one of our starters won't be playing in neither of the next 2 big games due to an injury nobody had known about prior to today? You're a clown.
You want a parade down Union Turnpike for beating Sacred Heart, one of the 30 or so worst teams in division 1. It's no wonder this program hasn't ascended from mediocrity in decades with standards like this
So if they don't win by 35 it's embarrassing this programs struggles or somehow loses a game like this.
If they do win by 35 it's why are you excited about winning and looking like the superior team?
Another good win and team is looking improved.
This is not a good win and you know that. It's a win. The only thing that can happen from playing a team like Sacred Heart is being embarrassed. I get why these games are scheduled and you beat them and move on.
You also can't tell how your team looks based on a game against a team like Sacred Heart. Yeah we aren't terrible but that's all that can gained from that. Last year we beat Bethune Cookman by 47 then Binghamton by 16. We then went on to lose 5 in a row including one to Delaware State. Following a 28 point win vs Fordham we lost to LIU.
No one is dancing down Union turnpike after this win. Need some patsies on the schedule , gives us a chance to give our backups some experience and confidence and work on things. . It’s a win . Next week will be challenging, especially wo Lovett. Hoping for a split.
Wow, how negative of you
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I get your point now.
Still not sure if it's laziness & incompetence as much as having an explainable crappy record the last two years and making it hard to attract marginal D1 players to fill bottom or roster spots vs. look to go to a school in a weaker conference or without a strong starting 5 and have better likelihood of minutes.
I expected this staff to work significantly harder at recruiting because that as I understand it is one the reasons Lavin was let go. Of course guys are going to get hurt. Every team has guys that get hurt. Lovett was hurt last year, too. In year 3 we shouldn't be dealing with what Georgetown should be dealing with now, and isn't.
They could have looked a lot harder for a 6'7 mid major combo forward who could have given us 10/15 minutes a game as a grad transfer. Kid from LIU for example. Why aren't we after that guy? Or one like him? Maybe there weren't 6/11 studs out there, but we've got Alibegovic and I find it hard to believe that there wasn't a better option available somewhere. They could have found someone to replace Holifield, because we are now an ankle injury away from having 2 guards. Sometimes I hate being right. Now is one of those of times.
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I get your point now.
Still not sure if it's laziness & incompetence as much as having an explainable crappy record the last two years and making it hard to attract marginal D1 players to fill bottom or roster spots vs. look to go to a school in a weaker conference or without a strong starting 5 and have better likelihood of minutes.
I expected this staff to work significantly harder at recruiting because that as I understand it is one the reasons Lavin was let go. Of course guys are going to get hurt. Every team has guys that get hurt. Lovett was hurt last year, too. In year 3 we shouldn't be dealing with what Georgetown should be dealing with now, and isn't.
They could have looked a lot harder for a 6'7 mid major combo forward who could have given us 10/15 minutes a game as a grad transfer. Kid from LIU for example. Why aren't we after that guy? Or one like him? Maybe there weren't 6/11 studs out there, but we've got Alibegovic and I find it hard to believe that there wasn't a better option available somewhere. They could have found someone to replace Holifield, because we are now an ankle injury away from having 2 guards. Sometimes I hate being right. Now is one of those of times.
That combo forward you're describing sounds an awful lot like Sidney Wilson. Not sure how much blame staff deserves for him leaving in June. I also don't know much about why Darien Williams transferred, but he would have fit your description as well (I'm not a big fan of his, but he'd give us energy and 6-12 minutes per game of ok basketball as a tall guy).
I don't disagree with your larger point though.
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Sacred Heart recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
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I get your point now.
Still not sure if it's laziness & incompetence as much as having an explainable crappy record the last two years and making it hard to attract marginal D1 players to fill bottom or roster spots vs. look to go to a school in a weaker conference or without a strong starting 5 and have better likelihood of minutes.
I expected this staff to work significantly harder at recruiting because that as I understand it is one the reasons Lavin was let go. Of course guys are going to get hurt. Every team has guys that get hurt. Lovett was hurt last year, too. In year 3 we shouldn't be dealing with what Georgetown should be dealing with now, and isn't.
They could have looked a lot harder for a 6'7 mid major combo forward who could have given us 10/15 minutes a game as a grad transfer. Kid from LIU for example. Why aren't we after that guy? Or one like him? Maybe there weren't 6/11 studs out there, but we've got Alibegovic and I find it hard to believe that there wasn't a better option available somewhere. They could have found someone to replace Holifield, because we are now an ankle injury away from having 2 guards. Sometimes I hate being right. Now is one of those of times.
That combo forward you're describing sounds an awful lot like Sidney Wilson. Not sure how much blame staff deserves for him leaving in June. I also don't know much about why Darien Williams transferred, but he would have fit your description as well (I'm not a big fan of his, but he'd give us energy and 6-12 minutes per game of ok basketball as a tall guy).
I don't disagree with your larger point though.
The staff recruited and lost two guys that were wrong for our program. For different reasons Brown and Wilson were wrong for this program. The staff should have been elsewhere. Instead they counted on guys that weren’t ready to come here. After Brown was turned away a lot of time passed before they added anyone and when they finally did, it was a guy with his own issues. Again, different ones, but issues.
I refuse to believe that they couldn’t have found a lunch pail big man who loves to board. So, why didn’t they?
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That said, we should be talking about how well we played in the second half yesterday. Ponds is hot again at the right time.
Some other random things I liked:
-I loved the up and under by Yakwe. Haven’t seen him even try that. It’s very simple he needs to keep working at it and he’ll get it. He really doesn’t have a natural feel for the game, and that means that he still needs to learn it. It seems that he’s improving a little each game. He could put it together soon.
-I like that we are running plays did Owens. We desperately need him to be an offensive threat this season. His defense yesterday in the second half was stellar.
-Alibegovic was ok yesterday. He did some things well that don’t show up in the box score. Like when he tipped the rebound to Ponds. Sure, I’d prefer he catch it, but baby steps. And seriously, stop friggen dribbling from 30 feet out. That hasn’t worked since Mike Hopkins was coaching against you.
-Clark had a solid game. He gives us 14 and 7 and we’re golden.
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I get your point now.
Still not sure if it's laziness & incompetence as much as having an explainable crappy record the last two years and making it hard to attract marginal D1 players to fill bottom or roster spots vs. look to go to a school in a weaker conference or without a strong starting 5 and have better likelihood of minutes.
I expected this staff to work significantly harder at recruiting because that as I understand it is one the reasons Lavin was let go. Of course guys are going to get hurt. Every team has guys that get hurt. Lovett was hurt last year, too. In year 3 we shouldn't be dealing with what Georgetown should be dealing with now, and isn't.
They could have looked a lot harder for a 6'7 mid major combo forward who could have given us 10/15 minutes a game as a grad transfer. Kid from LIU for example. Why aren't we after that guy? Or one like him? Maybe there weren't 6/11 studs out there, but we've got Alibegovic and I find it hard to believe that there wasn't a better option available somewhere. They could have found someone to replace Holifield, because we are now an ankle injury away from having 2 guards. Sometimes I hate being right. Now is one of those of times.
That combo forward you're describing sounds an awful lot like Sidney Wilson. Not sure how much blame staff deserves for him leaving in June. I also don't know much about why Darien Williams transferred, but he would have fit your description as well (I'm not a big fan of his, but he'd give us energy and 6-12 minutes per game of ok basketball as a tall guy).
I don't disagree with your larger point though.
The staff recruited and lost two guys that were wrong for our program. For different reasons Brown and Wilson were wrong for this program. The staff should have been elsewhere. Instead they counted on guys that weren’t ready to come here. After Brown was turned away a lot of time passed before they added anyone and when they finally did, it was a guy with his own issues. Again, different ones, but issues.
I refuse to believe that they couldn’t have found a lunch pail big man who loves to board. So, why didn’t they?
I didn't mention Brown because everyone knew there were obvious red flags about him ever going to college. Staff should not be excused for not having three or four viable backup plans -- especially since he decommitted early in the year.
I'm more lenient on Wilson because when someone signs a LOI and literally starts taking summer classes at your school, you should fairly presume they will suit up and play for that season. That's a fair expectation and shouldn't require a backup plan of any sort -- that situation is irregular. I'd blame the staff more for not retaining Williams. The guy is playing 8 minutes a game at Nevada (played 6 against UC Irvine last night). He would be doing the same, if not more, here. I don't know the particular circumstances or if it was actually preventable, but he's the type of depth guy who's OK as your 8th man.
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That said, we should be talking about how well we played in the second half yesterday. Ponds is hot again at the right time.
Some other random things I liked:
-I loved the up and under by Yakwe. Haven’t seen him even try that. It’s very simple he needs to keep working at and he’ll get it. It seems that he’s improving a little each game. He could put it together.
-I like that we are running plays did Owens. We desperately need him to be an offensive threat this season. His defense yesterday in the second half was stellar.
-Alibegovic was ok yesterday. He did some things well that don’t show up in the box score. Like when he tipped the rebound to Ponds. Sure, I’d prefer he catch it, but baby steps. And seriously, stop friggen dribbling from 30 feet out. That hasn’t worked since Mike Hopkins was coaching against you.
-Clark had a solid game. He gives us 14 and 7 and we’re golden.
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I'm impressed that this team generally revamped their whole attitude about defense. To see the effort 40 minutes a game, it's what separates us from last year and keeps us in a game where we struggle in the first half.
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That said, we should be talking about how well we played in the second half yesterday. Ponds is hot again at the right time.
Some other random things I liked:
-I loved the up and under by Yakwe. Haven’t seen him even try that. It’s very simple he needs to keep working at and he’ll get it. It seems that he’s improving a little each game. He could put it together.
-I like that we are running plays did Owens. We desperately need him to be an offensive threat this season. His defense yesterday in the second half was stellar.
-Alibegovic was ok yesterday. He did some things well that don’t show up in the box score. Like when he tipped the rebound to Ponds. Sure, I’d prefer he catch it, but baby steps. And seriously, stop friggen dribbling from 30 feet out. That hasn’t worked since Mike Hopkins was coaching against you.
-Clark had a solid game. He gives us 14 and 7 and we’re golden.
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I'm impressed that this team generally revamped their whole attitude about defense. To see the effort 40 minutes a game, it's what separates us from last year and keeps us in a game where we struggle in the first half.
I agree. They are getting after it this year on defense.
I’m sure everyone wondered what Chris Mullin said to his team at half time, but they stopped hitting threes and STJ started to play the cohesive style of basketball that Mullin not unlike the unselfish squads that he played on here.
Now let’s see them do that for 40 minutes against Grand Canyon. Whoever they are.
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I didn't mention Brown because everyone knew there were obvious red flags about him ever going to college. Staff should not be excused for not having three or four viable backup plans -- especially since he decommitted early in the year.
I'm more lenient on Wilson because when someone signs a LOI and literally starts taking summer classes at your school, you should fairly presume they will suit up and play for that season. That's a fair expectation and shouldn't require a backup plan of any sort -- that situation is irregular. I'd blame the staff more for not retaining Williams. The guy is playing 8 minutes a game at Nevada (played 6 against UC Irvine last night). He would be doing the same, if not more, here. I don't know the particular circumstances or if it was actually preventable, but he's the type of depth guy who's OK as your 8th man.
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Could be wrong but think Williams left because he thought he deserved more PT. Grass is not always greener.
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Grand Canyon who ever they are is right. No excuses. Need the win
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They are getting after it this year on defense.
I liked the full court pressure. Something we haven't seen.
Now let’s see them do that for 40 minutes against Grand Canyon. Whoever they are.
55 and 16 over two years is pretty good (including four respectable losses to ranked teams), I don't care what league they're in. An 11:30 est start on the road adds two degrees of difficulty and no Lovett adds another. It might be a should win but it's not a gimme.
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They are getting after it this year on defense.
I liked the full court pressure. Something we haven't seen.
Now let’s see them do that for 40 minutes against Grand Canyon. Whoever they are.
55 and 16 over two years is pretty good (including four respectable losses to ranked teams), I don't care what league they're in. An 11:30 est start on the road adds two degrees of difficulty and no Lovett adds another. It might be a should win but it's not a gimme.
55-16 is obscene. I had no idea they were that dominant. Clearly, it’s no gimme. Still, no road game is a gimme. Most of the guys will have to play well. If Ponds or Ahmed or Simon are off, we’re in big trouble.
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Although I never heard of them, I looked them up last night. They may only have 1 loss, to San Diego State. Playing out west against them wo Lovett is challenging. Hope to get the W , but they are not Sacred Heart.
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Although I never heard of them, I looked them up last night. They may only have 1 loss, to San Diego State. Playing out west against them wo Lovett is challenging. Hope to get the W , but they are not Sacred Heart.
They lost to San Diego. Not San Diego State.
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They are getting after it this year on defense.
I liked the full court pressure. Something we haven't seen.
Now let’s see them do that for 40 minutes against Grand Canyon. Whoever they are.
55 and 16 over two years is pretty good (including four respectable losses to ranked teams), I don't care what league they're in. An 11:30 est start on the road adds two degrees of difficulty and no Lovett adds another. It might be a should win but it's not a gimme.
55-16 is obscene. I had no idea they were that dominant. Clearly, it’s no gimme. Still, no road game is a gimme. Most of the guys will have to play well. If Ponds or Ahmed or Simon are off, we’re in big trouble.
And this is close to their Super Bowl, which adds another degree. They play Louisville but no one else. I suspect Dan Majerle will have them up for it, he being a lesser version of Mullin.
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I didn't mention Brown because everyone knew there were obvious red flags about him ever going to college. Staff should not be excused for not having three or four viable backup plans -- especially since he decommitted early in the year.
I'm more lenient on Wilson because when someone signs a LOI and literally starts taking summer classes at your school, you should fairly presume they will suit up and play for that season. That's a fair expectation and shouldn't require a backup plan of any sort -- that situation is irregular. I'd blame the staff more for not retaining Williams. The guy is playing 8 minutes a game at Nevada (played 6 against UC Irvine last night). He would be doing the same, if not more, here. I don't know the particular circumstances or if it was actually preventable, but he's the type of depth guy who's OK as your 8th man.
Could be wrong but think Williams left because he thought he deserved more PT. Grass is not always greener.
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Wilson committed in late May land at it was a surprise he when he announced he was not going to go to Brewster earlier that month as much as it was a surprise he committed to STJ. It could be said that the staff should probably have already had other options and a fuller roster for this season before they even knew they had a chance at Wilson. And yes it's their fault. But next year the roster will be pretty full so they go that going for them.
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Grand Canyon has a nice record. They are new to D1 ball. We need to beat them... period. It will certainly be a tough game and if we aren’t ready and come out playing like garbage it won’t help. Need to give their record and their home respect, but gotta go in looking to winand nothing else. No surprises.
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Grand Canyon has a nice record. They are new to D1 ball. We need to beat them... period. It will certainly be a tough game and if we aren’t ready and come out playing like garbage it won’t help. Need to give their record and their home respect, but gotta go in looking to winand nothing else. No surprises.
Agree, a tough game, but one that must be won with relative ease if this team is going to accomplish anything of significance this season
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We've got to beat Grand Canyon, Iona, and St. Joe's. No excuses.
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Don't get frustrated on what you wish the staff did to "screw up" roster and leave us "short" of players but remember that they lost 2 guards, Ellison and Mussini, after the season (Mussini in June). The fact that were able to come up with Trimble says something positive. They also bring in 2 transfers in Dixon and Keita ( we are happy with transfers Simon and Clark so maybe not such a bad thing). Having too many players can cause problems re playing time (Ellerson and Williams). Furthermore, most teams only play 7 to 8 players on average. Not comparing us to quality but take a look at Nova and Duke over the years.
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Don't get frustrated on what you wish the staff did to "screw up" roster and leave us "short" of players but remember that they lost 2 guards, Ellison and Mussini, after the season (Mussini in June). The fact that were able to come up with Trimble says something positive. They also bring in 2 transfers in Dixon and Keita ( we are happy with transfers Simon and Clark so maybe not such a bad thing). Having too many players can cause problems re playing time (Ellerson and Williams). Furthermore, most teams only play 7 to 8 players on average. Not comparing us to quality but take a look at Nova and Duke over the years.
The staff screwed up. End of story. I think it is the kind of mistake that only has to happen once. I love the concept of bringing in a pair of redshirt transfers each year. Hopefully that continues.
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Don't get frustrated on what you wish the staff did to "screw up" roster and leave us "short" of players but remember that they lost 2 guards, Ellison and Mussini, after the season (Mussini in June). The fact that were able to come up with Trimble says something positive. They also bring in 2 transfers in Dixon and Keita ( we are happy with transfers Simon and Clark so maybe not such a bad thing). Having too many players can cause problems re playing time (Ellerson and Williams). Furthermore, most teams only play 7 to 8 players on average. Not comparing us to quality but take a look at Nova and Duke over the years.
The staff screwed up. End of story. I think it is the kind of mistake that only has to happen once. I love the concept of bringing in a pair of redshirt transfers each year. Hopefully that continues.
Agree with both. Staff probably should have had a player or two more on boards this season, we are struggling with depth. That said, Sid Wilson would probably have filled much of the depth void, but not at guard nor center.
Also agree with the redshirt transfers. We are getting quality players and guys that really want to be here. I’m happy with 2 per year as well because almost nobody goes 13 deep with blue chippers. I’d be very happy with our 12/th and 13th men being transfers of quality, and going 11 deep with two full, talented lineups +1. It assures we always have a steady flow of experienced guys in one way or anothe.
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Don't get frustrated on what you wish the staff did to "screw up" roster and leave us "short" of players but remember that they lost 2 guards, Ellison and Mussini, after the season (Mussini in June). The fact that were able to come up with Trimble says something positive. They also bring in 2 transfers in Dixon and Keita ( we are happy with transfers Simon and Clark so maybe not such a bad thing). Having too many players can cause problems re playing time (Ellerson and Williams). Furthermore, most teams only play 7 to 8 players on average. Not comparing us to quality but take a look at Nova and Duke over the years.
The staff screwed up. End of story. I think it is the kind of mistake that only has to happen once. I love the concept of bringing in a pair of redshirt transfers each year. Hopefully that continues.
I just don't think it's so cut and dried. I'd rather not have guys here just to fill out the roster when you know you have quality waiting in the wings.
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Don't get frustrated on what you wish the staff did to "screw up" roster and leave us "short" of players but remember that they lost 2 guards, Ellison and Mussini, after the season (Mussini in June). The fact that were able to come up with Trimble says something positive. They also bring in 2 transfers in Dixon and Keita ( we are happy with transfers Simon and Clark so maybe not such a bad thing). Having too many players can cause problems re playing time (Ellerson and Williams). Furthermore, most teams only play 7 to 8 players on average. Not comparing us to quality but take a look at Nova and Duke over the years.
The staff screwed up. End of story. I think it is the kind of mistake that only has to happen once. I love the concept of bringing in a pair of redshirt transfers each year. Hopefully that continues.
I just don't think it's so cut and dried. I'd rather not have guys here just to fill out the roster when you know you have quality waiting in the wings.
Their was a center from Christ the king brought up today. Which got me thinking of Jose Alvarado. I don’t follow recruiting as much as some of you guys. From memory we weren’t that interested in him. Supposedly he wasn’t good enough. I checked his stats quick. Seems like he is playing plenty. Maybe even starting at Georgia Tech.
We don’t really need a PG. but he could have been a 4 year player for us. Currently we need any players.
It seems like we let so many of these guys go. Much rather take a chance on local kids then the Europeans.
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Their was a center from Christ the king brought up today. Which got me thinking of Jose Alvarado. I don’t follow recruiting as much as some of you guys. From memory we weren’t that interested in him. Supposedly he wasn’t good enough. I checked his stats quick. Seems like he is playing plenty. Maybe even starting at Georgia Tech.
We don’t really need a PG. but he could have been a 4 year player for us. Currently we need any players.
It seems like we let so many of these guys go. Much rather take a chance on local kids then the Europeans.
The staff works very hard with the 4-5 stars NY players (Rawle Alkins, Moses Brown, Shamorie Ponds) but it looks like there is no much interest in 3 stars players (Keith Williams, Jose Alvarado, Khalid Moore).
And we have several 3 stars players (Marvin Clark, Josh Roberts, Bryan Trimble, Mikey Dixon).