6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Johnny23 on December 04, 2017, 08:15:36 AM
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Don't sleep on this team. It looks like Majerle went the overseas route and has several Aussies and Euros on this squad. Some decent beef up front too. This could be a trap game. Can't overlook them.
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Johniees 78
Grand Canyon 64
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Need to win this one, because it’s a no-win game for us but a sos and too killer to lose it. Not my favorite game onthw schedule. A must-win against a sneaky-good team that is well-coached with great fan support. I don’t like this game but no excuses to be down for it. Need a win here...
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They start:
6'3 185 Casey Benson - Grad transfer from Oregon (20 mpg there)
6'4 220 Joshua Braun - Senior and leading scorer
6'7 190 Oscar Frayer - Soph; poor man's PJ Dozier from SC last year
6'10 225 Roberts Blumbergs - Freshman from Latvia
6'6 240 Keonta Vernon - Senior PF/C and leading rebounder
All of their games are online which seems appropriate since I'm not convinced they have an actual school offline. Their arena and fan support look incredible. It's truly bizarre to me.
Their PG is a lefty transfer from Oregon who can't go left AT ALL. It looks like someone f*cked up and taught him to shoot lefty when he is clearly a righty. He can't defend the position, so expect their soph SF Oscar Frayer to cover Ponds unless their staff didn't put in the work scouting and goes with him on Simon based on stats. Either way, Frayer will be on Ponds in the second half barring foul trouble. I like this kid Frayer. Good feet, tremendous athlete and wingspan. Raw as hell offensively. He should transfer to a bigger program with a coach that can develop him in his redshirt year. Back to the PG, he turns his back to the defender a lot and Ponds will eat that up.
Their leading scorer, Joshua Braun, is nothing more than a high level MAAC scorer that you see all the time. He cuts hard and has a good shot, but his 220 lbs isn't functional. He is slow and doesn't guard well.
Their PF, Keonta Vernon, is a strong kid and looks like trouble on paper, but he's a dumb player and he makes Marvin Clark look judicious and patient with fouls. If we don't sent him to the bench with two fouls before the under 16, then shame on the staff. You can get him switched on Ponds and that's all she wrote. Ponds will get his shoulder into his midsection turning the corner and Vernon will ride him and bump him to an easy foul. Face up Ahmed on him too. Those two will be a sh*t show together.
This should be a 15-20 pt win. Maybe the home court mitigates that a bit. They are an easy team to defend. They don't crash the offensive glass. They don't create or penetrate well. They drive and kick, go inside out, pick and pop, try to loosen up the perimeter with backdoors. Everything comes off a screen....a ton of back screens and stuff off the ball.
They cheat way too much on defense. The corner threes will be there all game if we go inside-out, drive and kick, or skip it baseline like St. Jean loves. Bash could go for 25.
Over/under is 11 blocks for us.
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They start:
6'3 185 Casey Benson - Grad transfer from Oregon (20 mpg there)
6'4 220 Joshua Braun - Senior and leading scorer
6'7 190 Oscar Frayer - Soph; poor man's PJ Dozier from SC last year
6'10 225 Roberts Blumbergs - Freshman from Latvia
6'6 240 Keonta Vernon - Senior PF/C and leading rebounder
All of their games are online which seems appropriate since I'm not convinced they have an actual school offline. Their arena and fan support look incredible. It's truly bizarre to me.
Their PG is a lefty transfer from Oregon who can't go left AT ALL. It looks like someone f*cked up and taught him to shoot lefty when he is clearly a righty. He can't defend the position, so expect their soph SF Oscar Frayer to cover Ponds unless their staff didn't put in the work scouting and goes with him on Simon based on stats. Either way, Frayer will be on Ponds in the second half barring foul trouble. I like this kid Frayer. Good feet, tremendous athlete and wingspan. Raw as hell offensively. He should transfer to a bigger program with a coach that can develop him in his redshirt year. Back to the PG, he turns his back to the defender a lot and Ponds will eat that up.
Their leading scorer, Joshua Braun, is nothing more than a high level MAAC scorer that you see all the time. He cuts hard and has a good shot, but his 220 lbs isn't functional. He is slow and doesn't guard well.
Their PF, Keonta Vernon, is a strong kid and looks like trouble on paper, but he's a dumb player and he makes Marvin Clark look judicious and patient with fouls. If we don't sent him to the bench with two fouls before the under 16, then shame on the staff. You can get him switched on Ponds and that's all she wrote. Ponds will get his shoulder into his midsection turning the corner and Vernon will ride him and bump him to an easy foul. Face up Ahmed on him too. Those two will be a sh*t show together.
This should be a 15-20 pt win. Maybe the home court mitigates that a bit. They are an easy team to defend. They don't crash the offensive glass. They don't create or penetrate well. They drive and kick, go inside out, pick and pop, try to loosen up the perimeter with backdoors. Everything comes off a screen....a ton of back screens and stuff off the ball.
They cheat way too much on defense. The corner threes will be there all game if we go inside-out, drive and kick, or skip it baseline like St. Jean loves. Bash could go for 25.
Over/under is 11 blocks for us.
Put Marillac on the SJ staff.
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Lovett ?
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Lovett ?
My guess is he will rehab to be ready for ASU. It’s just a sprain so it all just depends on how he feels.
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They start:
6'3 185 Casey Benson - Grad transfer from Oregon (20 mpg there)
6'4 220 Joshua Braun - Senior and leading scorer
6'7 190 Oscar Frayer - Soph; poor man's PJ Dozier from SC last year
6'10 225 Roberts Blumbergs - Freshman from Latvia
6'6 240 Keonta Vernon - Senior PF/C and leading rebounder
All of their games are online which seems appropriate since I'm not convinced they have an actual school offline. Their arena and fan support look incredible. It's truly bizarre to me.
Their PG is a lefty transfer from Oregon who can't go left AT ALL. It looks like someone f*cked up and taught him to shoot lefty when he is clearly a righty. He can't defend the position, so expect their soph SF Oscar Frayer to cover Ponds unless their staff didn't put in the work scouting and goes with him on Simon based on stats. Either way, Frayer will be on Ponds in the second half barring foul trouble. I like this kid Frayer. Good feet, tremendous athlete and wingspan. Raw as hell offensively. He should transfer to a bigger program with a coach that can develop him in his redshirt year. Back to the PG, he turns his back to the defender a lot and Ponds will eat that up.
Their leading scorer, Joshua Braun, is nothing more than a high level MAAC scorer that you see all the time. He cuts hard and has a good shot, but his 220 lbs isn't functional. He is slow and doesn't guard well.
Their PF, Keonta Vernon, is a strong kid and looks like trouble on paper, but he's a dumb player and he makes Marvin Clark look judicious and patient with fouls. If we don't sent him to the bench with two fouls before the under 16, then shame on the staff. You can get him switched on Ponds and that's all she wrote. Ponds will get his shoulder into his midsection turning the corner and Vernon will ride him and bump him to an easy foul. Face up Ahmed on him too. Those two will be a sh*t show together.
This should be a 15-20 pt win. Maybe the home court mitigates that a bit. They are an easy team to defend. They don't crash the offensive glass. They don't create or penetrate well. They drive and kick, go inside out, pick and pop, try to loosen up the perimeter with backdoors. Everything comes off a screen....a ton of back screens and stuff off the ball.
They cheat way too much on defense. The corner threes will be there all game if we go inside-out, drive and kick, or skip it baseline like St. Jean loves. Bash could go for 25.
Over/under is 11 blocks for us.
I also wasnt convinced they had a school off line. Since I also was perplexed, I looked them up. They do. Enrollment really increased lately, pushing 20,000. Like MCNA said tough game on the road w little upside. They have to concentrate on this game and worry about ASU later.
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Re the school they advertise quite heavily out here in SoCal. Despite the secular name they market themselves as a "private Christian university" whatever that means. Doesn't appear to have any official church affiliation. Very affordable for private school as well.
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Cadence ST John 78
Christy Canyon 73
Have fun googling.
Ponds scores 30 on 8 of 32 shooting
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SJU press release excerpt
While St. John’s offense continues to thrive, the team’s defensive efficiency has been the story eight games into the 2017-18 campaign. The Johnnies have limited their opponents to just 60.0 points per game, including a mere 55.7 points per contest in their seven victories. In addition, St. John’s 10.0 steals, 6.6 blocks and 20.3 forced turnovers per game are figures that rank in the top-15 of Division I.
Led by Oregon transfer Casey Benson, Grand Canyon has won five of its first six games and is coming off a 68-56 victory over UC Riverside on Saturday. Benson, a 6-foot-3 guard from Tempe, Ariz., has averaged 11.0 points and 5.3 assists per game, while redshirt senior Joshua Braun leads team with a 15.5 point per game scoring average. After playing the first six games of the season inside their on-campus home, Grand Canyon University Arena, the Lopes will travel less than 10 miles to Talking Stick Resort Arena for Tuesday’s contest.
After the BBVA Compass Valley of the Sun Shootout, St. John’s will depart for Los Angeles where the Johnnies will square off with No. 16/17 Arizona State (7-0) on Friday at the STAPLES Center as part of the Hall of Fame Classic tripleheader. Tip off is slated for 8 p.m. with the contest airing on Pac-12 Network.
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Johnnies 75
GC 58
Ponds drops 35. Owens 5 blocks, 10 boards and 8 points. Yakwe has a big game w 10 points, 8 boards and 3 blocks.
And really, no need to push LoVett. Sit him out until he's healthy. Don't want to make it worse by rushing things.
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Cadence ST John 78
Christy Canyon 73
Have fun googling.
Ponds scores 30 on 8 of 32 shooting
christy looks like hell now but then....wow
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Cadence ST John 78
Christy Canyon 73
Have fun googling.
Ponds scores 30 on 8 of 32 shooting
christy looks like hell now but then....wow
Not an easy life I am guessing. Have to think has severe back problems from being so top heavy as well.
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SJU show cases that defense
SJU 70
GC 47
No problem
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SJU show cases that defense
SJU 70
GC 47
No problem
You do realize they are 3 point favorites right? I'll be thrilled to come away with a one point victory.
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SJU show cases that defense
SJU 70
GC 47
No problem
You do realize they are 3 point favorites right? I'll be thrilled to come away with a one point victory.
Where did you see that? Neutral court and Grand Canyon is favorite? Find that hard to believe
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SJU show cases that defense
SJU 70
GC 47
No problem
You do realize they are 3 point favorites right? I'll be thrilled to come away with a one point victory.
This loser-mentality is nonsense and classic for SJU fans. It’s a syndrome because of our history. Don’t let the spread dictate our mentality. We are more talented, better overall and shouldn’t be praying for one point wins against New D1 teams...
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I got sju -6 to open.
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I got sju -6 to open.
I see SJU -3 everywhere
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SJU show cases that defense
SJU 70
GC 47
No problem
You do realize they are 3 point favorites right? I'll be thrilled to come away with a one point victory.
This loser-mentality is nonsense and classic for SJU fans. It’s a syndrome because of our history. Don’t let the spread dictate our mentality. We are more talented, better overall and shouldn’t be praying for one point wins against New D1 teams...
Unless I'm going completely senile Paultzman posted it on one of the cites. Not a loser mentality to win by one against this team on the road if they are anything like the team I saw a couple of years ago on TV. Dan Majerle had some athletes and they were playing good basketball.
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Just checked the other cite and Paultzman did post us as 3 point dogs and then new posts had us a 5 point fav and the talk was of divergent spreads. Hey if you can't trust Paultzman who can you trust? I don't make shit up on this board. Oh and BTW even as a 5 point fav I'll take a one point win and I am not one of those guys that says a win is a win I always want us to play well and look good or otherwise I'm rarely happy.
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SJU show cases that defense
SJU 70
GC 47
No problem
You do realize they are 3 point favorites right? I'll be thrilled to come away with a one point victory.
This loser-mentality is nonsense and classic for SJU fans. It’s a syndrome because of our history. Don’t let the spread dictate our mentality. We are more talented, better overall and shouldn’t be praying for one point wins against New D1 teams...
Unless I'm going completely senile Paultzman posted it on one of the cites. Not a loser mentality to win by one against this team on the road if they are anything like the team I saw a couple of years ago on TV. Dan Majerle had some athletes and they were playing good basketball.
Another poster on RM Initially said we were three point dogs, but I have also seen us as 5 point favorite.
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The Canyon beat my other favorite team last season at Mohegan sun and my other favorite team is darn good. We have to hope that the Havoc's are somewhat negated by the off campus site.
I predict a life or death struggle in this one and fear that if Love it doesn't play, we die.
Grand Canyon - 69
Canyon of Heroes - 65
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Think the talk of SJU being 3 point dogs in this one is coming from here which seems to have an incorrect feed. Because we are 3-5 point favorites everywhere i've checked.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/las-vegas/
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SJU show cases that defense
SJU 70
GC 47
No problem
You do realize they are 3 point favorites right? I'll be thrilled to come away with a one point victory.
This loser-mentality is nonsense and classic for SJU fans. It’s a syndrome because of our history. Don’t let the spread dictate our mentality. We are more talented, better overall and shouldn’t be praying for one point wins against New D1 teams...
Unless I'm going completely senile Paultzman posted it on one of the cites. Not a loser mentality to win by one against this team on the road if they are anything like the team I saw a couple of years ago on TV. Dan Majerle had some athletes and they were playing good basketball.
Still a loser-mentality IMO.... Good D1 teams don't go out thinking they are going out to lose to the Grand Canyon's of the world. This isn't a knock on Grand Canyon. It's more of a mind set of winning. If we are believing we are lucky to escape this with a win, then we have no business thinking we are a tourney team. We have no business thinking we are even a top 6 Big East team if we are entering this with that sort of mindset. I hope the players aren't... we are more talented, and this is the time to showcase that,..
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Think the talk of SJU being 3 point dogs in this one is coming from here which seems to have an incorrect feed. Because we are 3-5 point favorites everywhere i've checked.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/las-vegas/
ESPN has us as a 5 point favorite, and FPI gives us a 65% chance of winning.
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Rule 3: All St John's games are either gimmes, must wins, or must win gimmes.
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Rule 3: All St John's games are either gimmes, must wins, or must win gimmes.
If this is considered a road game it is worth as much in the RPI as a home win over Duke. SJU has to win one of the games this week or they will have dig a very deep hole and are likely out of NCAA tournament contention.
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It is way too early to think that we are out of the tournament if we lose this game. If we win 9 or more games in conference we are in. Given key injuries to several middle of the pack teams this should be no problem.....as long as we have no key injuries. Think optimistically.
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SJU show cases that defense
SJU 70
GC 47
No problem
You do realize they are 3 point favorites right? I'll be thrilled to come away with a one point victory.
This loser-mentality is nonsense and classic for SJU fans. It’s a syndrome because of our history. Don’t let the spread dictate our mentality. We are more talented, better overall and shouldn’t be praying for one point wins against New D1 teams...
Unless I'm going completely senile Paultzman posted it on one of the cites. Not a loser mentality to win by one against this team on the road if they are anything like the team I saw a couple of years ago on TV. Dan Majerle had some athletes and they were playing good basketball.
Still a loser-mentality IMO.... Good D1 teams don't go out thinking they are going out to lose to the Grand Canyon's of the world. This isn't a knock on Grand Canyon. It's more of a mind set of winning. If we are believing we are lucky to escape this with a win, then we have no business thinking we are a tourney team. We have no business thinking we are even a top 6 Big East team if we are entering this with that sort of mindset. I hope the players aren't... we are more talented, and this is the time to showcase that,..
First off, the mentality of posters on a message board ( and there are a lot of mental cases here ) is insignificant. The state of mind of the team is all that matters.
Secondly, seeing potential danger in playing a west coast road game at 1130 at night against a team that's done a lot of winning and has a ridiculously strong fan base without your best player is natural.
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Rule 3: All St John's games are either gimmes, must wins, or must win gimmes.
If this is considered a road game it is worth as much in the RPI as a home win over Duke. SJU has to win one of the games this week or they will have dig a very deep hole and are likely out of NCAA tournament contention.
Someone said that this wasn't a road game. Hopefully that's incorrect and we come away with a convincing win.
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SJU show cases that defense
SJU 70
GC 47
No problem
You do realize they are 3 point favorites right? I'll be thrilled to come away with a one point victory.
This loser-mentality is nonsense and classic for SJU fans. It’s a syndrome because of our history. Don’t let the spread dictate our mentality. We are more talented, better overall and shouldn’t be praying for one point wins against New D1 teams...
Unless I'm going completely senile Paultzman posted it on one of the cites. Not a loser mentality to win by one against this team on the road if they are anything like the team I saw a couple of years ago on TV. Dan Majerle had some athletes and they were playing good basketball.
Still a loser-mentality IMO.... Good D1 teams don't go out thinking they are going out to lose to the Grand Canyon's of the world. This isn't a knock on Grand Canyon. It's more of a mind set of winning. If we are believing we are lucky to escape this with a win, then we have no business thinking we are a tourney team. We have no business thinking we are even a top 6 Big East team if we are entering this with that sort of mindset. I hope the players aren't... we are more talented, and this is the time to showcase that,..
First off, the mentality of posters on a message board ( and there are a lot of mental cases here ) is insignificant. The state of mind of the team is all that matters.
Secondly, seeing potential danger in playing a west coast road game at 1130 at night against a team that's done a lot of winning and has a ridiculously strong fan base without your best player is natural.
Lovett is our best player? Where does that leave Amar?
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I think this is by and large a confident group. Whether that leads to more basketball like the 2nd half of Sacred Heart, we’ll see. This isn’t Sacred Heart. Frankly, I’m surprised we’ve agreed to play them at all.
Ponds lit it up in the second half on Saturday, and so did everyone else. But it was our amped up defense that kept deflating SH’s game. Eventually they just started chucking up shots. We need that level of defense for both halves.
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It is way too early to think that we are out of the tournament if we lose this game. If we win 9 or more games in conference we are in. Given key injuries to several middle of the pack teams this should be no problem.....as long as we have no key injuries. Think optimistically.
If we lose both of the games this week, we will have virtually no chance at making the tournament with 9 conference wins. That would leave us with 17 wins (assuming wins over St. Joe's and Iona) counted by the committee and an RPI in the mid-50's to high 60's. And to get more than 9 wins in the Big East means beating Nova and sweeping one or more teams. That's a tall task for this team. We were fighting an uphill battle to dance to begin with this year.
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Rule 3: All St John's games are either gimmes, must wins, or must win gimmes.
If this is considered a road game it is worth as much in the RPI as a home win over Duke. SJU has to win one of the games this week or they will have dig a very deep hole and are likely out of NCAA tournament contention.
Someone said that this wasn't a road game. Hopefully that's incorrect and we come away with a convincing win.
The RPI used to count our holiday tournament games at MSG as neutral court games but that changed a few years ago. I hope it's the same for the Grand Canyon game given the proximity to their campus.
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Rule 3: All St John's games are either gimmes, must wins, or must win gimmes.
If this is considered a road game it is worth as much in the RPI as a home win over Duke. SJU has to win one of the games this week or they will have dig a very deep hole and are likely out of NCAA tournament contention.
Someone said that this wasn't a road game. Hopefully that's incorrect and we come away with a convincing win.
The RPI used to count our holiday tournament games at MSG as neutral court games but that changed a few years ago. I hope it's the same for the Grand Canyon game given the proximity to their campus.
It depends on if it is part of the Grand Canyon season ticket package. If it is, this is a road game. If not, it's neutral.
Now, if the RPI considers it neutral, some of the other rankings (like KenPom and Sagarin) will at least consider it "semi-road", since it's still in Grand Canyon's market, so those rankings will be friendlier to us either way. The game against Central Florida worked the same way.
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Maybe I am crazy . But losing to this shit team would be an awful loss. I don’t care what time or where this game is being played. The excuses and loser mentality is sad from the Mullin faithful. If you guys really believed in our coach this should be a win. Every starter on our team were certainly rated higher then the guys in HS on their team. Our guys should be bigger, stronger , and faster.
It would also be a bad loss if we lost to Utah valley preseason 2 in the wac. Grand Canyon was 3. Not afraid of New Mexico State either. They were 1st. Also this game is not a Home game . All their crazy fans might not even make the trip.
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Not an easy game as others have echoed but an important point is this game is not on campus and thus that crazy home court will be mostly negated so now we are just facing an average team on a neutral court. Missing Marcus is tough but even without him this should be a win. If NCAA is the goal this is a game we have to win. It won’t be easy but we should win.
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Rule 3: All St John's games are either gimmes, must wins, or must win gimmes.
If this is considered a road game it is worth as much in the RPI as a home win over Duke. SJU has to win one of the games this week or they will have dig a very deep hole and are likely out of NCAA tournament contention.
If that's true we should schedule lots of road games in the preseason versus bad teams. But I don't know if it is. According to the NCAA RPI Is calculated using three factors:
FACTOR 1- Division I Winning Percentage: Take the team’s won-lost percentage against Division I
opponents only.
FACTOR 2. Strength of Schedule: Take each opponent’s won-lost percentage against other Division I
teams and then average these percentages.
FACTOR 3. Opponents’ Strength of Schedule: The strength of each opponent’s schedule is measured by
using the same formula from Factor 2 for each opponent, then averaging these percentages.
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/FAQ_for_MLAX_RPI.pdf
Nothing about home and away in there. Maybe there's some further calculation but the NCAA doesn't mention it. And anyway "The RPI is just one of many factors used by the committee."
And another anyway, teams are rarely out of NCAA tournament contention the first week of December.
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Rule 3: All St John's games are either gimmes, must wins, or must win gimmes.
If this is considered a road game it is worth as much in the RPI as a home win over Duke. SJU has to win one of the games this week or they will have dig a very deep hole and are likely out of NCAA tournament contention.
Someone said that this wasn't a road game. Hopefully that's incorrect and we come away with a convincing win.
The RPI used to count our holiday tournament games at MSG as neutral court games but that changed a few years ago. I hope it's the same for the Grand Canyon game given the proximity to their campus.
It depends on if it is part of the Grand Canyon season ticket package. If it is, this is a road game. If not, it's neutral.
Now, if the RPI considers it neutral, some of the other rankings (like KenPom and Sagarin) will at least consider it "semi-road", since it's still in Grand Canyon's market, so those rankings will be friendlier to us either way. The game against Central Florida worked the same way.
Thanks for the explanation. That seems like a very arbitrary method for determining whether a game should be counted as a home game or not. The St. John's game is not part of the GCU season package. So they will have 10k fans there 10 miles from their campus and we won't even get the huge away game boost in the RPI. And the game v. Iona is offered as part of at least our mini-package, so it will get us twice. Terrific.
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
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All reasons that this is not my favorite type game to schedule. I’d avoid these type of no-win games on future schedules. Regardless, we now need to take care of business...
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
This would go in the "good win" category, IMO. It's nice to be excited for games, at times the last few seasons it felt more like a chore.
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Spread has moved even more, -6 this afternoon.
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Rule 3: All St John's games are either gimmes, must wins, or must win gimmes.
If this is considered a road game it is worth as much in the RPI as a home win over Duke. SJU has to win one of the games this week or they will have dig a very deep hole and are likely out of NCAA tournament contention.
Someone said that this wasn't a road game. Hopefully that's incorrect and we come away with a convincing win.
The RPI used to count our holiday tournament games at MSG as neutral court games but that changed a few years ago. I hope it's the same for the Grand Canyon game given the proximity to their campus.
It depends on if it is part of the Grand Canyon season ticket package. If it is, this is a road game. If not, it's neutral.
Now, if the RPI considers it neutral, some of the other rankings (like KenPom and Sagarin) will at least consider it "semi-road", since it's still in Grand Canyon's market, so those rankings will be friendlier to us either way. The game against Central Florida worked the same way.
Thanks for the explanation. That seems like a very arbitrary method for determining whether a game should be counted as a home game or not. The St. John's game is not part of the GCU season package. So they will have 10k fans there 10 miles from their campus and we won't even get the huge away game boost in the RPI. And the game v. Iona is offered as part of at least our mini-package, so it will get us twice. Terrific.
The method the NCAA uses, is they look at games played there by a team. If it exceeds a certain percentage it is considered a home game. A BE Tourny game played by us at MSG is considered a home game for us because we play a lot of games there. Whereas if we played at Barcleys it would be a neutral game. GCU doesn't play there, hence the game is a neutral court.
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
This would go in the "good win" category, IMO. It's nice to be excited for games, at times the last few seasons it felt more like a chore.
I wouldn't argue that it's a solid win, but it's not going to be a top 10-12 win for us by season's end. If we lost, though, it would be used against us as a bad loss.
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Should win, but nothing a lock. Winning 3 of 4 including this game, ASU, St. Joe's & Iona is very essential in my opinion. The BE is too tough to assume you can make up for lost ground in League play.
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
This would go in the "good win" category, IMO. It's nice to be excited for games, at times the last few seasons it felt more like a chore.
I wouldn't argue that it's a solid win, but it's not going to be a top 10-12 win for us by season's end. If we lost, though, it would be used against us as a bad loss.
Even if they win the WAC the way they're predicted to? I'd come out tonight with a full court press after the first bucket. Set the tone early while avoiding early fouls as much as possible. I think that the stars (Shamorie & Justin) really shine tonight.
Johnnies- 82
GCU- 68
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Not an easy game as others have echoed but an important point is this game is not on campus and thus that crazy home court will be mostly negated so now we are just facing an average team on a neutral court. Missing Marcus is tough but even without him this should be a win. If NCAA is the goal this is a game we have to win. It won’t be easy but we should win.
Forget should win, they better f'ing win if they want in the NCAA tourny. I don't want to hear omg omg it's a tough game.
We're talking GCU, not a power 6 team, or Wich St, or Zaga.
Every team will give it their best, but we gotta win the winnable games.
Put up or shut up time, contenders or pretenders?
Bottom line is you gotta get it done, no excuses.
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Maybe I am crazy . But losing to this shit team would be an awful loss. I don’t care what time or where this game is being played. The excuses and loser mentality is sad from the Mullin faithful. If you guys really believed in our coach this should be a win. Every starter on our team were certainly rated higher then the guys in HS on their team. Our guys should be bigger, stronger , and faster.
It would also be a bad loss if we lost to Utah valley preseason 2 in the wac. Grand Canyon was 3. Not afraid of New Mexico State either. They were 1st. Also this game is not a Home game . All their crazy fans might not even make the trip.
This game is on par with Murray State or Old Dominion. Losing usually means you’re not a good team if you lose, but it doesn’t automatically mean that. We lost to Stamford and then won the BE tourney. We’ve lost to Niagara (badly, twice), Fordham, The Bonnies, and Manhattan (twice) and still rebounded to make the tournament.
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SJU show cases that defense
SJU 70
GC 47
No problem
You do realize they are 3 point favorites right? I'll be thrilled to come away with a one point victory.
Relax, we got this. Statement game tonight to put AZ St on notice.
"WE'RE COMING." Plus, we can't allow a NJ B.E school to dominate the local college scene.
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Rule 3: All St John's games are either gimmes, must wins, or must win gimmes.
If this is considered a road game it is worth as much in the RPI as a home win over Duke. SJU has to win one of the games this week or they will have dig a very deep hole and are likely out of NCAA tournament contention.
Someone said that this wasn't a road game. Hopefully that's incorrect and we come away with a convincing win.
The RPI used to count our holiday tournament games at MSG as neutral court games but that changed a few years ago. I hope it's the same for the Grand Canyon game given the proximity to their campus.
It depends on if it is part of the Grand Canyon season ticket package. If it is, this is a road game. If not, it's neutral.
Now, if the RPI considers it neutral, some of the other rankings (like KenPom and Sagarin) will at least consider it "semi-road", since it's still in Grand Canyon's market, so those rankings will be friendlier to us either way. The game against Central Florida worked the same way.
Thanks for the explanation. That seems like a very arbitrary method for determining whether a game should be counted as a home game or not. The St. John's game is not part of the GCU season package. So they will have 10k fans there 10 miles from their campus and we won't even get the huge away game boost in the RPI. And the game v. Iona is offered as part of at least our mini-package, so it will get us twice. Terrific.
The method the NCAA uses, is they look at games played there by a team. If it exceeds a certain percentage it is considered a home game. A BE Tourny game played by us at MSG is considered a home game for us because we play a lot of games there. Whereas if we played at Barcleys it would be a neutral game. GCU doesn't play there, hence the game is a neutral court.
I looked into it. Here is the official NCAA policy: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/Policies.pdf
Some sections are susceptible to multiple interpretations, such as the conference tournaments. It does allow the school to appeal for the determination of the contest to be changed for the RPI. I don't know if SJU has the type of talent in the athletic department to get that done, though.
Here are the relevant sections:
It's considered a home game for Team A if the site:
"Is in the same city or a reasonable distance within the metropolitan area of Team A, and its opponent, Team B is from outside the metropolitan area. "
However, the contest is considered a neutral-site contest for both teams if the site:
"Is at a venue other than Team A's and Team B's home venue and is hosted and organized by a third party."
This game hits both of those sections, but I'd argue that the proximity to the GCU campus and the disparity in fan support (10k v. <100) combined with GCU season ticket holders, students and alumni receiving discounted admission render this a home game for GCU.
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
You guys are funny. Arguing about whether or not a coach is doing a good job or not is one thing but now people taking unecessary shots at one of our two best offensive players. Lovett is one of our two best players. However you rate him, it is not a shot at Ponds. Most teams have more than one good player. This team has two on offense. Team is going to struggle against anyone decent without Lovett or Ponds. W/o Lovett, Ponds shoots too much and shoots bad shots which is why his % is so awful. It also makes Ahmed the 2nd best option and no one wants that.
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Maybe I am crazy . But losing to this shit team would be an awful loss. I don’t care what time or where this game is being played. The excuses and loser mentality is sad from the Mullin faithful. If you guys really believed in our coach this should be a win. Every starter on our team were certainly rated higher then the guys in HS on their team. Our guys should be bigger, stronger , and faster.
It would also be a bad loss if we lost to Utah valley preseason 2 in the wac. Grand Canyon was 3. Not afraid of New Mexico State either. They were 1st. Also this game is not a Home game . All their crazy fans might not even make the trip.
It is 8 miles from campus, uber fare must be at least $10.
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
You guys are funny. Arguing about whether or not a coach is doing a good job or not is one thing but now people taking unecessary shots at one of our two best offensive players. Lovett is one of our two best players. However you rate him, it is not a shot at Ponds. Most teams have more than one good player. This team has two on offense. Team is going to struggle against anyone decent without Lovett or Ponds. W/o Lovett, Ponds shoots too much and shoots bad shots which is why his % is so awful. It also makes Ahmed the 2nd best option and no one wants that.
Ponds is our best player. Lovett is our second best player. Where is the shot I took?
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
You guys are funny. Arguing about whether or not a coach is doing a good job or not is one thing but now people taking unecessary shots at one of our two best offensive players. Lovett is one of our two best players. However you rate him, it is not a shot at Ponds. Most teams have more than one good player. This team has two on offense. Team is going to struggle against anyone decent without Lovett or Ponds. W/o Lovett, Ponds shoots too much and shoots bad shots which is why his % is so awful. It also makes Ahmed the 2nd best option and no one wants that.
Ponds is our best player. Lovett is our second best player. Where is the shot I took?
Have in past and someone compared him to Amar on this thread. Ponds is really good but people on here way overate him. Not Hatten carry the team by himself good.
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
You guys are funny. Arguing about whether or not a coach is doing a good job or not is one thing but now people taking unecessary shots at one of our two best offensive players. Lovett is one of our two best players. However you rate him, it is not a shot at Ponds. Most teams have more than one good player. This team has two on offense. Team is going to struggle against anyone decent without Lovett or Ponds. W/o Lovett, Ponds shoots too much and shoots bad shots which is why his % is so awful. It also makes Ahmed the 2nd best option and no one wants that.
Ponds is our best player. Lovett is our second best player. Where is the shot I took?
Have in past and someone compared him to Amar on this thread. Ponds is really good but people on here way overate him. Not Hatten carry the team by himself good.
Hatten was carrying Tallahassee Community college as a soph. My fears are becoming true as Ponds made his way into his first mock draft last week: http://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft
He's projected as #44 pick in 2019 ahead of Jalen Brunson. Listed as a PG and not SG or PG/SG like Jalen Adams and others. No knock to Lovett, but he will not be considered by NBA teams unless it's a favor to Mullin.
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
You guys are funny. Arguing about whether or not a coach is doing a good job or not is one thing but now people taking unecessary shots at one of our two best offensive players. Lovett is one of our two best players. However you rate him, it is not a shot at Ponds. Most teams have more than one good player. This team has two on offense. Team is going to struggle against anyone decent without Lovett or Ponds. W/o Lovett, Ponds shoots too much and shoots bad shots which is why his % is so awful. It also makes Ahmed the 2nd best option and no one wants that.
Ponds is our best player. Lovett is our second best player. Where is the shot I took?
Have in past and someone compared him to Amar on this thread. Ponds is really good but people on here way overate him. Not Hatten carry the team by himself good.
Hatten was carrying Tallahassee Community college as a soph. My fears are becoming true as Ponds made his way into his first mock draft last week: http://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft
He's projected as #44 pick in 2019 ahead of Jalen Brunson. Listed as a PG and not SG or PG/SG like Jalen Adams and others. No knock to Lovett, but he will not be considered by NBA teams unless it's a favor to Mullin.
My fear isn't that Ponds is good enough to play himself into the NBA draft. It's that he turns out not to be.
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
You guys are funny. Arguing about whether or not a coach is doing a good job or not is one thing but now people taking unecessary shots at one of our two best offensive players. Lovett is one of our two best players. However you rate him, it is not a shot at Ponds. Most teams have more than one good player. This team has two on offense. Team is going to struggle against anyone decent without Lovett or Ponds. W/o Lovett, Ponds shoots too much and shoots bad shots which is why his % is so awful. It also makes Ahmed the 2nd best option and no one wants that.
Ponds is our best player. Lovett is our second best player. Where is the shot I took?
Have in past and someone compared him to Amar on this thread. Ponds is really good but people on here way overate him. Not Hatten carry the team by himself good.
Let’s see. Ponds could end up being as good as Hatten. I won’t say better yet out of respect for a great player. Let’s not forget, Ponds is a Sophomore, and 9 games ago he was a freshman.
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
You guys are funny. Arguing about whether or not a coach is doing a good job or not is one thing but now people taking unecessary shots at one of our two best offensive players. Lovett is one of our two best players. However you rate him, it is not a shot at Ponds. Most teams have more than one good player. This team has two on offense. Team is going to struggle against anyone decent without Lovett or Ponds. W/o Lovett, Ponds shoots too much and shoots bad shots which is why his % is so awful. It also makes Ahmed the 2nd best option and no one wants that.
Ponds is our best player. Lovett is our second best player. Where is the shot I took?
Have in past and someone compared him to Amar on this thread. Ponds is really good but people on here way overate him. Not Hatten carry the team by himself good.
Hatten was carrying Tallahassee Community college as a soph. My fears are becoming true as Ponds made his way into his first mock draft last week: http://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft
He's projected as #44 pick in 2019 ahead of Jalen Brunson. Listed as a PG and not SG or PG/SG like Jalen Adams and others. No knock to Lovett, but he will not be considered by NBA teams unless it's a favor to Mullin.
My fear isn't that Ponds is good enough to play himself into the NBA draft. It's that he turns out not to be.
I don't want to lose him early. The ceiling next year is probably winning a game in the tournament. Two years from now it could be actually competing to win it with Ponds and Simon as seniors and Dixon, Trimle, and Keit as juniors. I'd hate to have to rebuild again after next year losing Owens, Clark, Yakwe, Ponds, and Lovett.
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
You guys are funny. Arguing about whether or not a coach is doing a good job or not is one thing but now people taking unecessary shots at one of our two best offensive players. Lovett is one of our two best players. However you rate him, it is not a shot at Ponds. Most teams have more than one good player. This team has two on offense. Team is going to struggle against anyone decent without Lovett or Ponds. W/o Lovett, Ponds shoots too much and shoots bad shots which is why his % is so awful. It also makes Ahmed the 2nd best option and no one wants that.
Ponds is our best player. Lovett is our second best player. Where is the shot I took?
Have in past and someone compared him to Amar on this thread. Ponds is really good but people on here way overate him. Not Hatten carry the team by himself good.
Hatten was carrying Tallahassee Community college as a soph. My fears are becoming true as Ponds made his way into his first mock draft last week: http://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft
He's projected as #44 pick in 2019 ahead of Jalen Brunson. Listed as a PG and not SG or PG/SG like Jalen Adams and others. No knock to Lovett, but he will not be considered by NBA teams unless it's a favor to Mullin.
My fear isn't that Ponds is good enough to play himself into the NBA draft. It's that he turns out not to be.
I agree with the sentiment but in this day and age you can't even worry about those things. To me leaving to be a 2nd round pick or leaving to get paid in Europe doesn't make sense but that is what kids are doing and it doesn't matter what we think. I hope he and Lovett play really well. Whatever happens after that is not something I will worry about. Judging by recent recruiting it appears that the staff thinks one or both won't be here. Or they hate tall people.
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Prediction:
SJU 71
GCU 65
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
This would go in the "good win" category, IMO. It's nice to be excited for games, at times the last few seasons it felt more like a chore.
I wouldn't argue that it's a solid win, but it's not going to be a top 10-12 win for us by season's end. If we lost, though, it would be used against us as a bad loss.
Even if they win the WAC the way they're predicted to? I'd come out tonight with a full court press after the first bucket. Set the tone early while avoiding early fouls as much as possible. I think that the stars (Shamorie & Justin) really shine tonight.
Johnnies- 82
GCU- 68
Sounds good except we always seem to start slow. It would be nice if we could impose our will on them early on.
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Not an easy game as others have echoed but an important point is this game is not on campus and thus that crazy home court will be mostly negated so now we are just facing an average team on a neutral court. Missing Marcus is tough but even without him this should be a win. If NCAA is the goal this is a game we have to win. It won’t be easy but we should win.
Forget should win, they better f'ing win if they want in the NCAA tourny. I don't want to hear omg omg it's a tough game.
We're talking GCU, not a power 6 team, or Wich St, or Zaga.
Every team will give it their best, but we gotta win the winnable games.
Put up or shut up time, contenders or pretenders?
Bottom line is you gotta get it done, no excuses.
Very true.
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76-70. Mullin over Majerle
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20,000 enrollment, at a site 15 minutes from campus, with a pro coach, without our "best" player, with a stagnant offense, seems like a tough matchup to me.
Let's not get carried away. They aren't a cupcake but they aren't very good either. And our best player is going to drop 30 tonight. A bubble team should be able to walk in and beat them by double-digits. San Diego beat them by 10 on the GCU campus and then lost to UCSB by 10. They are ranked #141 by Ken Pom and 3-4 Iona is #143.
You guys are funny. Arguing about whether or not a coach is doing a good job or not is one thing but now people taking unecessary shots at one of our two best offensive players. Lovett is one of our two best players. However you rate him, it is not a shot at Ponds. Most teams have more than one good player. This team has two on offense. Team is going to struggle against anyone decent without Lovett or Ponds. W/o Lovett, Ponds shoots too much and shoots bad shots which is why his % is so awful. It also makes Ahmed the 2nd best option and no one wants that.
Ponds is our best player. Lovett is our second best player. Where is the shot I took?
Have in past and someone compared him to Amar on this thread. Ponds is really good but people on here way overate him. Not Hatten carry the team by himself good.
Hatten was carrying Tallahassee Community college as a soph. My fears are becoming true as Ponds made his way into his first mock draft last week: http://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft
He's projected as #44 pick in 2019 ahead of Jalen Brunson. Listed as a PG and not SG or PG/SG like Jalen Adams and others. No knock to Lovett, but he will not be considered by NBA teams unless it's a favor to Mullin.
My fear isn't that Ponds is good enough to play himself into the NBA draft. It's that he turns out not to be.
I agree with the sentiment but in this day and age you can't even worry about those things. To me leaving to be a 2nd round pick or leaving to get paid in Europe doesn't make sense but that is what kids are doing and it doesn't matter what we think. I hope he and Lovett play really well. Whatever happens after that is not something I will worry about. Judging by recent recruiting it appears that the staff thinks one or both won't be here. Or they hate tall people.
Once Mullin has a .500 season I'll start to worry about how we're going to fare in the 2019 NCAA tournament.
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So we are playing in Phoenix? Villanova is playing at MSG?
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An interesting side story for this game is Simon is not only playing near his old Arizona campus, but Arizona is the game before SJU. He'll probably want to make a big impression.
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So we are playing in Phoenix? Villanova is playing at MSG?
Their heading out west spreading the gospel of St John’s.
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Ugh, terrible game to schedule. They have a huge home court advantage. Won't look great on our resume if we win, but looks awful if we lose.
But, like someone said, this is the type of game tournament teams win. Time to see if we're one of them.
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So we are playing in Phoenix? Villanova is playing at MSG?
So is Syracuse, uconn, and seton hall . But atleast we get to play in our world famous Carnesecca Arena!
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Ugh, terrible game to schedule. They have a huge home court advantage. Won't look great on our resume if we win, but looks awful if we lose.
But, like someone said, this is the type of game tournament teams win. Time to see if we're one of them.
The committee knows this game ain’t no picnic.
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Ugh, terrible game to schedule. They have a huge home court advantage. Won't look great on our resume if we win, but looks awful if we lose.
But, like someone said, this is the type of game tournament teams win. Time to see if we're one of them.
The committee knows this game ain’t no picnic.
I don’t believe that
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Could see this Arizona/A&M game going to 3OT and we don't start until 12:30
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Thank god Wilson missed that free throw I was thinking same thing haha
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Bashir out of control to start....up 7-5 first timeout...need to get ponds shooting.....as someone mentioned early I would also go right out there 6'5 player to pick up his second foul
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It's very discouraging that our staff hasn't gone after Vernon. They switch very predictably and Vernon oberhedges. Get him on Ponds.
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Frustrating..
I do have wifi on a cruise ship between Mexico and Florida.
But cant bring in the “watch espn” app tv feed...
So i am Tracking score on espn.com.
Well, i have you guys for color commentary anyway.
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Why is ponds not looking to shoot!!
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This team is way better when Ponds is playing off the ball
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Why is ponds not looking to shoot!!
I noticed the same.
EDIT: Right on cue. He shoots a trey and nails it.
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Their student turnout is at least 3-4 games worth of what SJU brings.
They should join the WCC with Gonzaga.
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Good passing, but an airball by Ahmed.
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Interesting that it's Amar and not Yakwe in for Clark
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Amar first off the bench?
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bashir give a pump fake there and either go to the hole for two or draw a 3shott foul
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A sloppy sequence going on for us.
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Maybe Clark shouldn't be allowed to take the ball out anymore
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We look like some clowns out there. Ponds is playing like Nurideen Lindsey when we visited Detroit a few years ago.
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It's so frustrating when the other team is outhustling us. No excuse for that.
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Give me Lovett running the point and ponds off ball every single day
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We're getting throttled on the boards. Jesus.
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A sloppy sequence going on for us.
Very sloppy. Keeping the other team in the game again.
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Give me Lovett running the point and ponds off ball every single day
We have exactly one ball handler tonight...and he has to be our leading scorer. Give him a break.
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Simon seems to be money in that corner, once he sets up.
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Back-to-back treys to build ourselves a double-digit lead (up 11).
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Simon and ponds back to back threes...Let's keep this up and bury them before Half
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Defense has been solid. Making them earn their points
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We are shooting 29% from the field....but they are at 24%
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Good ball movement tonight.
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Simon seems to be money in that corner, once he sets up.
Agree. Scary set up & release but he's been on money everytime.
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Very impressed with Simon's three-point selection this year. He can't shoot well but he picks his spots and only takes wide open, set shots.
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In the bonus now. Gotta make our FTs.
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OWens not having a good half
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Sweet oop!
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And there is a Owens slam!!
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Dumb foul by Clark on the screen. He seems to pick up one of those every game.
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Simon with 9points and 5 rebounds leads team in both
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Every single 3 our guys have taken tonight has been behind the NBA 3 point line with Simon's make being the only exception
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Are we ever gonna block out?
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Ahmed is killing us
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Every single 3 our guys have taken tonight has been behind the NBA 3 point line with Simon's make being the only exception
That's a sign of being well coached and disciplined.
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Yikes
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They are up 9-2 on the offensive glass. Pitiful.
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More Shamorie. That is basically all.
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Owens played terrible this half, Bashir playing 1-1 ball . ....there is not one player who could guard ponds or Simon on this team attack attack attack
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First time on a NBA floor this year, takes time to adjust. I'm not surprised by the GCU run, however these kids are flat out terrible. We have to put our collective foot down in the 2nd half and blow these bums out. Shamorie needs to get in the lane and Bash needs to take better shots.
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I say this every game, but our shot selection sucks. This team could and would be miles better if they stop taking long contested 2s and 3s way behind the line with 20 seconds left on the shot clock
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I say this every game, but our shot selection sucks. This team could and would be miles better if they stop taking long contested 2s and 3s way behind the line with 20 seconds left on the shot clock
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Man, I miss the days when we attacked the offensive glass like mad men. Why can't Ahmed andC Clark do what Vernon does for GCU? We'd be unstoppable.
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I say this every game, but our shot selection sucks. This team could and would be miles better if they stop taking long contested 2s and 3s way behind the line with 20 seconds left on the shot clock
Shot selection and rebounding will be the undoing of this team, if we fall short of our goals. If they cleaned up their shot selection, then it may even slightly offset the rebounding or lack of.
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We are lucky to be up at this point. Our defensive rebounding has been flat-out terrible so far. They probably have a good 8 or 9 offensive boards and they don't really have a prolific big man.
Ahmed is just freelancing out there, plain and simple. Trimble's few shots have looked rushed and nervy. Simon and Ponds saving us right now. Our defense besides the rebounding has been good too.
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I say this every game, but our shot selection sucks. This team could and would be miles better if they stop taking long contested 2s and 3s way behind the line with 20 seconds left on the shot clock
Shot selection and rebounding will be the undoing of this team, if we fall short of our goals. If they cleaned up their shot selection, then it may even slightly offset the rebounding or lack of.
And the thing that makes it so frustrating is that shot selection is so correctable and has nothing to do with talent, and yet it hasn't gotten any better over the past 2 years
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Lord knows how many more turnovers we'd have if Marcus was playing.
The inept defensive rebounding is what is keeping this a game.
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Trimble took some bad shots
Ponds I can deal with it because he's so good but guys like Ahmed and Trimble it shouldn't be happening.
Another shaky 1st half, would be nice to have another solid 2nd, but Arizona St. routs St. John's with that 1st half effort.
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We shot 38% fg, 41 from 3
They were 31% and 30%
We were outrebounded 28 to 19
Vernon got 8 rebounds for them, firtunately he was 0 for 5 at the line and didnt score.
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I don't have a problem with Ahmed's play. He has to make stuff happen...it's on him and Ponds. I'd like to see some hi-lo and posting up to kick from Simon. Take the load off Ponds and let him get a few set jumpers.
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Lord knows how many more turnovers we'd have if Marcus was playing.
The inept defensive rebounding is what is keeping this a game.
If Lovett is playing we are up 12-15 easily ...need his scoring and ponds is better off the ball as he was the final couple minutes when Simon was running the point and ponds coming screens to free him up
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Haha, classic hi-lo offense right there.
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What the hell kind of shot is that by Simon
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More Ponds
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What the hell kind of shot is that by Simon
Not his shot. Want to see him go strong to the basket.
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I don't mind the announcers but they don't say how many fouls each individual player has.
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Sloppy start to the 2nd half.
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simon is a human turnover
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Clark, Simon and Ahmed with 2
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Make that Clark with 3 fouls
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Clark man, take it easy. Don’t pick up a 4th.
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WTH is Clark doing? Give up the ball! Ponds was wide open for a trey.
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Dammit
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Another rock fight.
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3-1 and he does that god damn that's 4 on Clark
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WTH is Clark doing? Give up the ball! Ponds was wide open for a trey.
He’s basically replaced Mussini on the roster.
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When Clark fouls it's all at once...Mullin needs to get him under control
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Another rock fight.
More like pebble.
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Another rock fight.
More like pebble.
Pebble fights aren't nearly this ugly.
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Guess it was defensive foul
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Moving screen by Vernon at half court on Ponds. Almost ended our season.
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I guess they changed it to a blocking foul.
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I guess they changed the call to a block. Huge break
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Damn! Block out!
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Now he gets his 4th
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Take a breath guys
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big break with the # of fouls for clark and the pts
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Sloppy
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can't even get a rebound all alone, no one else underneath the basket
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Luckily these guys suck
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Ahmed missed two, fairly easy shots in a row.
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Man...this is ugggulyyy
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Luckily these guys suck
+1
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I like Ahmed getting in the lane. We need more of that. They will fall.
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Valium for Ahmed
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Luckily these guys suck
Yeah we suck just a little bit less...so far.
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Ponds sooooooo good
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How many games before people admit this defense is for real.
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Owens has yawke hands now
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Ponds needs to slow down, losing control
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Ponds sooooooo good
Best player to put on a St Johns jersey in maybe decades.
Danny Ainge is in the crowd. I'd be crushed if the Celtics picked him up in the bottom of the 1st or 2nd
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Ponds should have 12 assists. These drops are just crazy.
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How many games before people admit this defense is for real.
Yup great D on an 0 on 2 where they missed two lay ups. Let's see how good the D is when they start playing real teams.
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Ponds needs to slow down, losing control
What game are you watching dude?!!!!
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How many games before people admit this defense is for real.
You must not be watching the game. Defense started out fine but there's been a ton of mistakes made on D that has been masked by GCU's awfulness
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How many games before people admit this defense is for real.
It's clearly the team's best attribute. Although, in this game, that's not saying a whole lot.
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How many games before people admit this defense is for real.
I think the majority of us have already given credit to the defense being much better than the past two seasons. We look like night and day on that particular end. But, the shot selection and rebounding hasn't improved.
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Ponds should have 12 assists. These drops are just crazy.
this team has no hands, it's unreal
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Ponds sooooooo good
Best player to put on a St Johns jersey in maybe decades.
Danny Ainge is in the crowd. I'd be crushed if the Celtics picked him up in the bottom of the 1st or 2nd
Relax
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Ponds needs to slow down, losing control
What game are you watching dude?!!!!
he's been playing great but was that him with the behind the back dribble and turnover or was that someone else, if so, nevermind
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Ponds should have 12 assists. These drops are just crazy.
You would think after the first 2-3 the big guys would be ready down low.
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Owens has yawke hands now
Ha! Actually, Owens never owned good hands. Not bad or good. Average.
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Valium for Ahmed
He’s what Fran meant when he said we play too fast. I agree he needs to calm down but as a senior he should have more control over his game. He’s still the bull in the china closet. Takes good and bad shots when he feels like it and drives when he feels like it, but only a handful of times does he do those things when it’s a good idea to.
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Good catch and finish by Yakwe!
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Yakwe making plays on both ends of the court is nice to see
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Grand Canyon is double teaming a 5'10 sophomore point guard in the post.
They are showing more respect to Shamorie than members of his team's fansite.
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nice draw of the charge by yawke
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Yakwe must lead the country on charges drawn per minute.
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Btw, Simon and Ahmed with 9 rebounds.....Clarke has 1
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Grand Canyon is double teaming a 5'10 sophomore point guard in the post.
They are showing more respect to Shamorie than members of his team's fansite.
Ponds shrink 3 inches?
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Time to put these guys away
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Ponds is so tough.
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Grand Canyon is double teaming a 5'10 sophomore point guard in the post.
They are showing more respect to Shamorie than members of his team's fansite.
Ponds shrink 3 inches?
You think he's 6'1?
I've stood next to him. I'm 6'2 myself.
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wow and ponds with his own rebound unreal
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Ponds is so much better than everyone it's unreal.
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Grand Canyon is double teaming a 5'10 sophomore point guard in the post.
They are showing more respect to Shamorie than members of his team's fansite.
Ponds shrink 3 inches?
You think he's 6'1?
I've stood next to him. I'm 6'2 myself.
I thought you were 6'5
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Grand Canyon is double teaming a 5'10 sophomore point guard in the post.
They are showing more respect to Shamorie than members of his team's fansite.
Ponds shrink 3 inches?
You think he's 6'1?
I've stood next to him. I'm 6'2 myself.
Measured at 6'0 without shoes this summer. That's 6'2-6'3 on most rosters.
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Ponds is so much better than everyone it's unreal.
It would be unbelievable to have a big man who could complement his talent.
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Ponds is so much better than everyone it's unreal.
It would be unbelievable to have a big man who could complement his talent.
And a third ball handler/creator.
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The offense is now:
Option 1: Ponds
Option 2: Ponds
Option 3: Ponds
And I'm fine with that
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ponds does everything to give ahmed an open look and...brick/horrible foul
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Ponds is so much better than everyone it's unreal.
It would be unbelievable to have a big man who could complement his talent.
And a third ball handler/creator.
I don't think LoVett is at Ponds' level but he's certainly no slouch.
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To think Ponds came within a hair of going to Providence.
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The offense is now:
Option 1: Ponds
Option 2: Ponds
Option 3: Ponds
And I'm fine with that
Needs to be option 4,5,6,7,8....
how many scholarship players do we have again? You get the point.
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That baseline pass to Ahmed is there every time. Let's take advantage of their help and put this game out of reach with a few treys.
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Simon going to work.
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Haha! Ponds yoking it!
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Simon 13points and 9 rebounds....
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PONDS!!!
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Play smart now
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10 pt game because of a bad 3 at the beginning of the possession
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We never have anyone under the boards for an O rebound
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Grand Canyon is double teaming a 5'10 sophomore point guard in the post.
They are showing more respect to Shamorie than members of his team's fansite.
Ponds shrink 3 inches?
You think he's 6'1?
I've stood next to him. I'm 6'2 myself.
I’m 6’2 as well. I agree. He’s 5’10.
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We keep leaving the door slightly open. Let’s blow them out!
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door open
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Two bad turnovers there by Ponds. He may be tired.
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Dangerous time in the game right now. All momentum with Grand Canyon.
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Two bad turnovers there by Ponds. He may be tired.
+1
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Need a bucket this next possession
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need to score coming off the TV timeout...team has gone silent for minutes now when they had a chance to end this game
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Need to make sure we're using clock too.
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gotta finish with some smart play, this has been incredibly sloppy. Should have blown them out but every time we were up double digits we lost focus.
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Good job by Ponds on the offensive rebound. Bailed us out.
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Owens gets ball way outb on perimeter too much
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game over,, Ponds will get to the line as we wrap it up
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could owens have worse hands...this is easy stuff
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This team won't go away
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if you're going to foul they can't get the shot at the rim
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This team won't go away
It ain't them it's US
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Ponds with 28
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28 for Ponds...he would not let them lose tonight
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This team won't go away
It ain't them it's US
Concur.
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28 for Ponds...he would not let them lose tonight
If we play like this on Friday, then he may need to go for 50.
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The rebounding is so bad
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Nice, with the rebound Simon has hos double double
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way too many guys in the backcourt trying to catch these inbounds passes. Everything is congested
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So after a horrible turnover, Ahmed fouls...so stupid
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THis is a joke
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Sheesh.... A clown show going on. They can't grab a defensive rebound to save their life.
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We can't inbounds the ball are you kidding
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no one will rebound, no one can inbound
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Simon shouldn't be allowed to touch the ball with under 3 minutes. Holy crap.
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Nobody on this team other than Ponds can rebound. Actually, nobody other than Ponss can do anything right now. It's unbelievable, haha
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if Mullin had longer hair he'd be tearing it out
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Simon shouldn't be allowed to touch the ball with under 3 minutes. Holy crap.
all he does it cough it up
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At least we got a jump ball off the D board. Now that's progress.
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Their inbound plays are atrocious!
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This has the feel of being “saved by the bell”
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Good win.
Tough team in essentially a road game without our second best player.
You can talk about playing bad offensively but that is the 5th best scoring defense in the NCAA.
And a team thats probably going to win more games than us this year.
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Positives: Ponds
Negatives: Basically everything else
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A W is a W. Friday should be a good barometer
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Cant be too mad at Simon.
He was AGAIN our highest rebounder and scored 17
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Boy was that ugly we need Lovett back bad....a win is a win 8-1....let's go beat a top 25 team Friday night
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Nice of Ponds to roll it back when GCU still decided to run a full court press down 8 with 16 seconds to go
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Good win.
Tough team in essentially a road game without our second best player.
You can talk about playing bad offensively but that is the 5th best scoring defense in the NCAA.
And a team thats probably going to win more games than us this year.
They may win more games than us, but that's irrelevant. We're the better team, but poor rebounding and a few, too many sloppy sequences kept Grand Canyon in the game.
A win, nonetheless. Get ready for Friday.
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Ponds is awesome
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Cant be too mad at Simon.
He was AGAIN our highest rebounder and scored 17
You can say that because you didn't watch the game.
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1-1 is what we had to get on this trip...Friday is gravy, no chance without LoVett
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A win is a win, but the guys better chip in and buy Ponds a steak dinner after that game. Simon, really, the only other guy who contributed.
This team has to learn to box out and pursue. Need to work on breaking the press too. All-in-all we won a virtual road game against a team that won't lose at home that much this season so that's a big plus.
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1-1 is what we had to get on this trip...Friday is gravy, no chance without LoVett
We need to go 2-0. I don't think anyone wanted to go 1-1. It's not a disaster like 0-2 would have been but if you want to make the tournament you have to win games like on Friday.
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1-1 is what we had to get on this trip...Friday is gravy, no chance without LoVett
We need to go 2-0. I don't think anyone wanted to go 1-1. It's not a disaster like 0-2 would have been but if you want to make the tournament you have to win games like on Friday.
It's more about conference play but yeah that's a resume builder
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The GCU fans had a children of the corn vibe.
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1-1 is what we had to get on this trip...Friday is gravy, no chance without LoVett
We need to go 2-0. I don't think anyone wanted to go 1-1. It's not a disaster like 0-2 would have been but if you want to make the tournament you have to win games like on Friday.
Of course, I wanna go 2-0 and feel we need to go 2-0 for a good boost to our NCAA resume'. Before the start of the season, I thought we could and would go 2-0 on this west coast stretch.
But, I'm not confident about winning on Friday. I certainly hope our group proves me wrong.
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Business like W. Just like UCF it wasn't pretty, but a win nonetheless. Hoping GCU wins their conference easy.
I'm saying it right now, Kassoum should be starting again. Marv needs to bring a lunch pale role off the bench. We need Kassoum's consistent defense and limited offensive turnovers on a regular basis.
Hopefully Marcus is on a flight out to LA to see his family and get the biggest program W in the Mullin era tomorrow.
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1-1 is what we had to get on this trip...Friday is gravy, no chance without LoVett
We need to go 2-0. I don't think anyone wanted to go 1-1. It's not a disaster like 0-2 would have been but if you want to make the tournament you have to win games like on Friday.
Of course, I wanna go 2-0 and feel we need to go 2-0 for a good boost to our NCAA resume'. Before the start of the season, I thought we could and would go 2-0 on this west coast stretch.
But, I'm not confident about winning on Friday. I certainly hope our group proves me wrong.
If Lovett plays they have a decent shot. They need contributions out of Owens, Ahmed and Clark who all looked horrible tonight. Owens couldn't even catch a pass tonight, Clark looked underwhelming, and it was the same old Ahmed with 0 basketball IQ out there tonight.
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The GCU fans had a children of the corn vibe.
Agreed, a very weird vibe.
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Good win.
Tough team in essentially a road game without our second best player.
You can talk about playing bad offensively but that is the 5th best scoring defense in the NCAA.
And a team thats probably going to win more games than us this year.
Agreed on all points.....they better win more than us, they are in the WAC. Lovett has time to recover for St Joes and Iona, easy wins if he is healthy. Next game will show just how much progress has really been made. D looked good again, great quickness which will continue to give opponents problems. Winning this game easily without Lovett a very positive sign. Lovett is so important offensively that any win without him is a great win.....offense and ballhandling against the press are a problem without him.
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Ponds had more offensive rebounds than the rest of the team combined. We need to get Simon and Clark on the glass. Ahmed more as well.
Yakwe played well. He hustled on the offensive glass, played good D, and he drew yet another charge. He should have played more.
I liked that Simon got the ball a few times at the FT line and faced up for 1-2 dribble takes. That's his spot. Much more of that is needed. Post him up too. But keep the ball away from at the end. 5 turnovers and it could have been 8-9 if GCU accepted some of his gifts.
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Not an easy game as others have echoed but an important point is this game is not on campus and thus that crazy home court will be mostly negated so now we are just facing an average team on a neutral court. Missing Marcus is tough but even without him this should be a win. If NCAA is the goal this is a game we have to win. It won’t be easy but we should win.
Forget should win, they better f'ing win if they want in the NCAA tourny. I don't want to hear omg omg it's a tough game.
We're talking GCU, not a power 6 team, or Wich St, or Zaga.
Every team will give it their best, but we gotta win the winnable games.
Put up or shut up time, contenders or pretenders?
Bottom line is you gotta get it done, no excuses.
CHECK!!!!!!!
It wasn't pretty but got the w.
Now we're gonna see where we're at with the big boys, #16 Az St..
22 wins for the ncaa tourny? 10-8 maybe 11-7? that's 18-19 win Need 3 more out of AZ St, Iona, St. Joe's and Duke.
Or split the 4 (20-21 wins) maybe a win or 2 in the BE Tourny?
I'm just really hoping we win Friday.
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Sounds like we played sloppy and again didn’t totally put together a rounded performance. We need Lovett back and to play much, much better to win Friday. Our offense has not come together yet. Sounds like our rebounding wasn’t great today either. That isn’t gonna cut it because they’ll blow us out Friday. Time to pick it up. Needed this win today though.
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We won which is good. Especially without Lovett.
Terrible shot selection and getting killed on the boards vs an inferior team. Can’t win like that . The real season is starting soon. We are going to have to play a lot better.
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I thought the team played really well. Different guys stepped up at different times and collectively never got rattled. I'm not so concerned with rebounding when the other team shot 32 threes and most of their twos were long. They're bound to get some junk boards.
I thought Trimble played a really good 27 min despite not making a shot from the floor. Had some good defensive moments and handled the rock well in the back court. Amar played 3 min and passed up two shots while someone open. That maturity is needed.
Clark got into foul trouble, turned the ball over, yet he still had 10 points in 18 min. He's an important part of this team.
Simon and Ahmed did work on the glass and great to see them hustling.
We lose this game last two years.
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I like the idea of running the offense completely through ponds. He is overall careful with the ball and a capable passer out of the double team. Will allow for more open catch and shoot opportunities for Lovett/Ahmed. I also didn't mind seeing him with his back to the basket a few times. It gives him a lot of options.
Simon is this teams 2nd best player, IMO. He showed a great ability to score when needed last night. He can hit the open 3, can pass, rebound, and plays defense.
I like what Trimble brings as a freshman. He should be a good 4 year role player. He's been exactly what he was advertised as.
One of Yakwe/Owens/or Clark needs to take a big leap forward this season in terms of rebounding or else I don't see us finishing much better than .500 in BE play. Our guards should not be getting double digit rebounds while our bruising power forward gets 3.
But, if you told me prior to the season we'd be 8-1 going into the Arizona St. game, I would take that in a heartbeat. A win against them would be absolutely huge.
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https://nypost.com/2017/12/06/st-johns-avoids-falling-into-grand-canyon-trap/
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We won which is good. Especially without Lovett.
Terrible shot selection and getting killed on the boards vs an inferior team. Can’t win like that . The real season is starting soon. We are going to have to play a lot better.
I'm not sure how inferior. They were picked to win the WAC. The announcer said there aren't many teams in the west that could beat St John's. I thought the refs were screwing us at the end and we overcame that. Good win!
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Valium for Ahmed
He’s what Fran meant when he said we play too fast. I agree he needs to calm down but as a senior he should have more control over his game. He’s still the bull in the china closet. Takes good and bad shots when he feels like it and drives when he feels like it, but only a handful of times does he do those things when it’s a good idea to.
It's who he is. He's a kamikaze and you can only hope that he has more good than bad moments. However he will always be somewhat out of control.
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I wish Clark was a little more aggressive in looking for his shot on O. He's playing good so far but he strikes me as a guy with a lot more potential.
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We won which is good. Especially without Lovett.
Terrible shot selection and getting killed on the boards vs an inferior team. Can’t win like that . The real season is starting soon. We are going to have to play a lot better.
I'm not sure how inferior. They were picked to win the WAC. The announcer said there aren't many teams in the west that could beat St John's. I thought the refs were screwing us at the end and we overcame that. Good win!
It’s a good point. We haven’t been playing our best ball and putting together complete games, but we have been winning with relative ease, not playing our best ball. That’s still a good sign. Grand Canyon would have killed us last few years. We used to be totally paranoid about losing to teams like St. Francis and LIU by big numbers at home. Friday is an all together different test, but we’ve done a very good job in general, dispatching about most others.. Winning these types of games goes a long way when at the end of the year people are looking at your record. Now let’s also hope GC wins the WAC..
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Work is miserable right now but i can tell you what a win is making it somewhat better.......even though we were not able to pull away there was no doubt in my mind that they were going to lose this game. When they needed the bucket ponds or simon were able to iso there defenders to get a bucket or free throws. If we had Lovett it would have been a 15-20 point win as not one defender on Grand Canyon would have been able to guard him off the dribble. We are still a work in progress on offense with some players and Owens, Clark and Bashir (even Simon at end and Ponds turnovers) had those WTF moments last night its good to get a win.
8-1 with a huge opportunity to make a statement nationally with beating a very good Arizona State team in LA. This group might make mistakes were we pull our hair out but its a special group and hopefully we can get that big out of conference to come back to NY with.
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Sounds like we played sloppy and again didn’t totally put together a rounded performance. We need Lovett back and to play much, much better to win Friday. Our offense has not come together yet. Sounds like our rebounding wasn’t great today either. That isn’t gonna cut it because they’ll blow us out Friday. Time to pick it up. Needed this win today though.
The Johnnies had a Mike Jarvis 2001-2002 squad feel last night. Played tough defense with only a few short lapses. Everyone chipped in defensively. And we couldn’t throw it in the ocean offensively from anywhere except for our one star guard, who’s awesome.
Team needs Tariq Owens to play better. You can make the case that everyone else played well. He was a mess. Get it together kid! You’re better than that.
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Biggest key I see so far is a team that couldn’t defend has now proven to be able to at a high level. They give up less points than any BE team this year. That shows me Mullin is teaching them well. My concern going into the season was player development and tonight was a great example of that. I think we can be a tourney team. These guys are working.
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Sounds like we played sloppy and again didn’t totally put together a rounded performance. We need Lovett back and to play much, much better to win Friday. Our offense has not come together yet. Sounds like our rebounding wasn’t great today either. That isn’t gonna cut it because they’ll blow us out Friday. Time to pick it up. Needed this win today though.
The Johnnies had a Mike Jarvis 2001-2002 squad feel last night. Played tough defense with only a few short lapses. Everyone chipped in defensively. And we couldn’t throw it in the ocean offensively from anywhere except for our one star guard, who’s awesome.
Team needs Tariq Owens to play better. You can make the case that everyone else played well. He was a mess. Get it together kid! You’re better than that.
+1 ....Defense was very good last night sans the last min were we could not rebound but very good game on that side of the ball and Tariq probably played his worst game in a Johniee Uniform yesterday (Missed Free throws, jumpers, got bullied on boards, could not catch a pass from ponds)...hoping he has a huge bounce back game Friday vs ASU.
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Biggest key I see so far is a team that couldn’t defend has now proven to be able to at a high level. They give up less points than any BE team this year. That shows me Mullin is teaching them well. My concern going into the season was player development and tonight was a great example of that. I think we can be a tourney team. These guys are working.
Agree with that. But we have to take better shots. To many 3’s
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Based on feedback I received preseason from a friend who attended several practices, Simon is living up to his assessment; great athlete, solid defender, rebounds & makes plays. He is obviously not a great shooter & is really a wing. I agreed early on with Marillac about the latter, but must say he is a difference maker this season.
Always felt Ponds was best player on team & LoVett a close second. However, Simon complements them well & as noted can make a plays when you need it, be it a steal, rebound or finding guys. That trio would be even more effective passing the ball inside, but our bigs are not blessed with good hands, to be kind.
All in all, great start & if we can get some scoring, rebounding & less fouls from Clark, we can surprise a lot of teams.
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Guys like Bash, Simon and Clark need to go to the hoop more and finish and/or draw fouls. Their outside shooting is valuable when opportune but we have been chucking too much.
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Guys like Bash, Simon and Clark need to go to the hoop more and finish and/or draw fouls. Their outside shooting is valuable when opportune but we have been chucking too much.
Agree
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I thought the team played really well. Different guys stepped up at different times and collectively never got rattled. I'm not so concerned with rebounding when the other team shot 32 threes and most of their twos were long. They're bound to get some junk boards.
I thought Trimble played a really good 27 min despite not making a shot from the floor. Had some good defensive moments and handled the rock well in the back court. Amar played 3 min and passed up two shots while someone open. That maturity is needed.
Clark got into foul trouble, turned the ball over, yet he still had 10 points in 18 min. He's an important part of this team.
Simon and Ahmed did work on the glass and great to see them hustling.
We lose this game last two years.
I like Clark. But minimal rebounds and fouling out in 18 minutes against a mid major is cause for concern. Should not happen, we are not deep and need him on the floor more and must rebound. Ill take the w and am happy w our record even though this wasnt the prettiest game to watch. Both teams are good defensive teams.
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Clark needs to rebound better. People criticizing Simon are crazy. Ponds might be able to make NBA as a point guard. Yesterday sort of reminded me of an undersized D'Angelo Russell. Ahmed drives me crazy. I am now actually surprised when shot goes in or his drives don't lead to a turnover or charge.
A solid big that could get you an easy basket from time to time and another wing that could knock down a three and this team would be dangerous.
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Ahmed drives me crazy. I am now actually surprised when shot goes in or his drives don't lead to a turnover or charge.
And yet he averages the fewest turnovers per game of the five starters.
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I thought the team played really well. Different guys stepped up at different times and collectively never got rattled. I'm not so concerned with rebounding when the other team shot 32 threes and most of their twos were long. They're bound to get some junk boards.
I thought Trimble played a really good 27 min despite not making a shot from the floor. Had some good defensive moments and handled the rock well in the back court. Amar played 3 min and passed up two shots while someone open. That maturity is needed.
Clark got into foul trouble, turned the ball over, yet he still had 10 points in 18 min. He's an important part of this team.
Simon and Ahmed did work on the glass and great to see them hustling.
We lose this game last two years.
I like Clark. But minimal rebounds and fouling out in 18 minutes against a mid major is cause for concern. Should not happen, we are not deep and need him on the floor more and must rebound. Ill take the w and am happy w our record even though this wasnt the prettiest game to watch. Both teams are good defensive teams.
Bryan must be doing well in practice bc he's certainly getting the minutes, I feel that the staff is expecting on a breakout performance sooner rather than later.
IMO Kassoum should either be starting or getting 15-20 mpg nightly. Given the opportunity his propensity to block shots has been proven, he plays sound, swarming D and rarely turns the ball over.
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Ahmed drives me crazy. I am now actually surprised when shot goes in or his drives don't lead to a turnover or charge.
And yet he averages the fewest turnovers per game of the five starters.
Actually his turnover rate is significantly higher than Lovett's and Ponds' but significantly lower than Simon's and Clark's
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Grand Canyon is double teaming a 5'10 sophomore point guard in the post.
They are showing more respect to Shamorie than members of his team's fansite.
Ponds shrink 3 inches?
You think he's 6'1?
I've stood next to him. I'm 6'2 myself.
I’m 6’2 as well. I agree. He’s 5’10.
He's bigger then Lovett so Lovett must be 5"7
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Ahmed drives me crazy. I am now actually surprised when shot goes in or his drives don't lead to a turnover or charge.
And yet he averages the fewest turnovers per game of the five starters.
In fairness I like Lovett who also averages more TO's than assists. Lovett seems to annoy people on here which I think is silly. Ahmed's game bugs me personally. Maybe the stats don't fully support my annoyance but it doesn't make it any less true.
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The game thread is truly an enjoyable read. I prefer to shut the electronics off when I go to the home games or watch the away games on TV. Commenting on the games throughout can be done by shouting at refs/TV for me. Commenting throughout is like reading one page of a Dickens novel or Patterson book. You can always find fault on one page but need to look at the whole work before evaluation. There will be points where there are screw ups and points of fine play but it is the end result that matters.
In the GCU game, we were what-6 point favorites? We won by eight. We played in a hostile environment for the first time this year and handled the crowd. Ponds was his usual self, but he probably knew he was going to play 40 minutes and thus paced himself nicely (only shock I had was that he missed 2 FT's as he has been near perfect). Simon played well and his 8-8 FT's were key. Vernon of GCU was a monster on the boards but he could do nothing with them, zero points. Lastly, we accomplished this win without Marcus.
As noted by others, team defense has been vastly improved. We held GCU to 11 points below the per game average. Furthermore, through 9 games, we are giving up 10 points less per game- a positive accomplishment.
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One thing I’d like to see more of is getting in the lane. We settled for too many jumpers.
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Ahmed drives me crazy. I am now actually surprised when shot goes in or his drives don't lead to a turnover or charge.
And yet he averages the fewest turnovers per game of the five starters.
Actually his turnover rate is significantly higher than Lovett's and Ponds' but significantly lower than Simon's and Clark's
Actually, what I said was actually correct.
(http://theweasels.com/ahmed.JPG)
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Ahmed drives me crazy. I am now actually surprised when shot goes in or his drives don't lead to a turnover or charge.
And yet he averages the fewest turnovers per game of the five starters.
Actually his turnover rate is significantly higher than Lovett's and Ponds' but significantly lower than Simon's and Clark's
Actually, what I said was actually correct.
(http://theweasels.com/ahmed.JPG)
Actually, what I said is correct as well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQYi7xcUEAAuyaQ.jpg:large
Any "per game" stats are pretty useless considering some guys play way more minutes than other guys and some have the the ball in their hands way more than others
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I think the other poster is referring to TO's per minute in which case his stats are correct. I'm sure there's some analytic that could calculate TO's per time of possession in which case Ahmed would likely be leading the team given that the guys with higher TO/game averages handle the ball the lion's share of the time.
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People criticizing Simon are crazy.
He has averaged nearly five turnovers a game our last four games and he barely dribbles. He's given the ball away to the opponent multiple times at the end of two close games and they didn't want it for some reason. He also gets bailed out of bad decisions due to his athletic ability, but will that continue against better teams with better athletes? I think it's fair to criticize aspects of a player's game and still appreciate the player. Simon is a game saver on the defensive glass, he plays very good D, he passes well 37 minutes at game, he has displayed excellent understanding of his shooting limitations by only taking open set shots from deep, and he has an ability to create off 1-2 bounces.
What he can't do: dribble and handle the ball in the half court or in close games.
I'd like to see him closer to the basket. I loved the back to back takes he had off 1 dribble from the FT line. He's a dangerous player from that distance with his athletic ability and length.
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Ahmed drives me crazy. I am now actually surprised when shot goes in or his drives don't lead to a turnover or charge.
And yet he averages the fewest turnovers per game of the five starters.
Actually his turnover rate is significantly higher than Lovett's and Ponds' but significantly lower than Simon's and Clark's
Actually, what I said was actually correct.
(http://theweasels.com/ahmed.JPG)
Actually, what I said is correct as well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQYi7xcUEAAuyaQ.jpg:large
Any "per game" stats are pretty useless considering some guys play way more minutes than other guys and some have the the ball in their hands way more than others
Ahmed has the ball in his hands more than Simon. He's not the same passer, but he is tasked with creating shots off the bounce more than anyone not named Ponds.
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Ahmed drives me crazy. I am now actually surprised when shot goes in or his drives don't lead to a turnover or charge.
And yet he averages the fewest turnovers per game of the five starters.
Actually his turnover rate is significantly higher than Lovett's and Ponds' but significantly lower than Simon's and Clark's
Actually, what I said was actually correct.
(http://theweasels.com/ahmed.JPG)
Actually, what I said is correct as well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQYi7xcUEAAuyaQ.jpg:large
Any "per game" stats are pretty useless considering some guys play way more minutes than other guys and some have the the ball in their hands way more than others
Ahmed has the ball in his hands more than Simon.
No
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Ahmed drives me crazy. I am now actually surprised when shot goes in or his drives don't lead to a turnover or charge.
And yet he averages the fewest turnovers per game of the five starters.
Actually his turnover rate is significantly higher than Lovett's and Ponds' but significantly lower than Simon's and Clark's
Actually, what I said was actually correct.
(http://theweasels.com/ahmed.JPG)
Actually, what I said is correct as well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQYi7xcUEAAuyaQ.jpg:large
Any "per game" stats are pretty useless considering some guys play way more minutes than other guys and some have the the ball in their hands way more than others
Ahmed has the ball in his hands more than Simon. He's not the same passer, but he is tasked with creating shots off the bounce more than anyone not named Ponds.
Yes, the link I posted accounts for how often a player's action ends a possession. Ahmed's TO Rate is significantly lower than Simon's (lower is better) but it is significantly higher than Lovett's and Ponds'. He averages slightly less turnovers per game than Lovett and Ponds but Lovett and Ponds play way more minutes and have the ball in their hands way more.
Both Ponds and Lovett are in the top 500 of all division 1 players in fewest turnovers per usage. Simon and Clark's TO rate is almost double their numbers. Ahmed is in the middle.
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Ahmed drives me crazy. I am now actually surprised when shot goes in or his drives don't lead to a turnover or charge.
And yet he averages the fewest turnovers per game of the five starters.
Actually his turnover rate is significantly higher than Lovett's and Ponds' but significantly lower than Simon's and Clark's
Actually, what I said was actually correct.
(http://theweasels.com/ahmed.JPG)
Actually, what I said is correct as well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQYi7xcUEAAuyaQ.jpg:large
Any "per game" stats are pretty useless considering some guys play way more minutes than other guys and some have the the ball in their hands way more than others
Ahmed has the ball in his hands more than Simon. He's not the same passer, but he is tasked with creating shots off the bounce more than anyone not named Ponds.
At the end of games my preference Would be Owens, Clark, Simon, Lovett, Ponds.
I am not a fan of Ahmed's game. I guess someone has to annoy you he is it for me .
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Ahmed drives me crazy. I am now actually surprised when shot goes in or his drives don't lead to a turnover or charge.
And yet he averages the fewest turnovers per game of the five starters.
Actually his turnover rate is significantly higher than Lovett's and Ponds' but significantly lower than Simon's and Clark's
Actually, what I said was actually correct.
(http://theweasels.com/ahmed.JPG)
Actually, what I said is correct as well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQYi7xcUEAAuyaQ.jpg:large
Any "per game" stats are pretty useless considering some guys play way more minutes than other guys and some have the the ball in their hands way more than others
What you said did not refute what I said, which makes it either non responsive or a non sequitur, take your pick. And per game stats are quite relevant, because you can't turn the ball over while you're on the bench. If you do X Y times in Z minutes that's how many time you do things. How many times you might do X in Q minutes is a silly metric where Q minutes don't exist.
Jason Camus averages .5 steals in 2 minutes per game, so if he played 40 minutes he'd average 10 steals per game? If so he should start.
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I think the other poster is referring to TO's per minute in which case his stats are correct. I'm sure there's some analytic that could calculate TO's per time of possession in which case Ahmed would likely be leading the team given that the guys with higher TO/game averages handle the ball the lion's share of the time.
I'm aware what the other poster was referring to, having learned to read in third grade. And I didn't say anything about his stats one way or the other. I said that what I said was correct, which it was.
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Ponds is about 6'1 and Lovett is 5'11. Not hard to see.
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I think the other poster is referring to TO's per minute in which case his stats are correct. I'm sure there's some analytic that could calculate TO's per time of possession in which case Ahmed would likely be leading the team given that the guys with higher TO/game averages handle the ball the lion's share of the time.
I'm aware what the other poster was referring to, having learned to read in third grade. And I didn't say anything about his stats one way or the other. I said that what I said was correct, which it was.
No one said it wasn't.
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I think the other poster is referring to TO's per minute in which case his stats are correct. I'm sure there's some analytic that could calculate TO's per time of possession in which case Ahmed would likely be leading the team given that the guys with higher TO/game averages handle the ball the lion's share of the time.
I'm aware what the other poster was referring to, having learned to read in third grade. And I didn't say anything about his stats one way or the other. I said that what I said was correct, which it was.
What foady didn’t consider, which is sample size and level of play. Bashir Ahmed and everyone has played 9 games this season- 1 against Malloy and 4 more lower division 1 talent. His stats through 9 games are not accurate. They tell us nothing. Only a rube would think other wise.
You can tell something about a baseball players numbers, because they play so many game s vs similar competition.
Bernie Williams stats meant something. But His numbers when he was 27 were different then when he was 35 though. His spring training numbers vs single talent told you nothing about the player he was.
How many turnovers Bashir Ahmed had vs central Connecticut state mean nothing. How good he was vs a much lesser athlete will not translate into big east play. However if you watched last nights game, bashir was a problem.
Sample size and the foad- a few years ago he argued that Felix B was a good shooter. He used is free throw shooter as an example. One year he shot 80 percent. What he neglected to say that Felix was 4/5 on the season
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I think the other poster is referring to TO's per minute in which case his stats are correct. I'm sure there's some analytic that could calculate TO's per time of possession in which case Ahmed would likely be leading the team given that the guys with higher TO/game averages handle the ball the lion's share of the time.
I'm aware what the other poster was referring to, having learned to read in third grade. And I didn't say anything about his stats one way or the other. I said that what I said was correct, which it was.
No one said it wasn't.
Actually the other guy actually said what I actually said was actually factually incorrect. Whereas actually what I actually said was actually factually actually correct.
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Bashir Ahmed and everyone has played 9 games this season- 1 against Malloy and 4 more lower division 1 talent. His stats through 9 games are not accurate. They tell us nothing.
They do though tell us how to spell Molloy. Also they tell us how he has performed against the players against whom he has played. No doubt as a gym teacher you know how he would have performed against teams that he has not played. That's why I did not major in gym: I care little about the future.
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Kenpom calculates turnover rate by TO/Possesion and he has Ponds - 12.8, Lovett - 12.4, Ahmed - 18.7, Simon- 24.8, and Clark- 23.3.
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We need Marvin Clark to get his act together.
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We need Marvin Clark to get his act together.
Clark is a better version of Mussini. He makes his free throws and he hits three pointers, and he does it against teams other than Wagner. He can’t play defense without fouling right now, but I think he can how do. He’s has a ways to go, but he’s not the problem right now.
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We need Marvin Clark to get his act together.
Clark is a better version of Mussini. He makes his free throws and he hits three pointers, and he does it against teams other than Wagner. He can’t play defense without fouling right now, but I think he can how do. He’s has a ways to go, but he’s not the problem right now.
Couldn't disagree more with your first sentence.
Couldn't agree more with your last.
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Post game quotes
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/120617aaa.html
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We need Marvin Clark to get his act together.
Start Kassoum again for consistent defense and blocked shots early, it would help the offense break out into fast breaks earlier each game and would instantly put the ball in the shooters hands (Shamorie/Marcus/Bash).
Bring in Marv with Tariq off the bench fresh with no foul trouble and completely reset with another tone.
This would help combat opponent's gameplan against us. This can atleast be experimented, as should Tariq in the starting lineup.
CM played Bryan a ton last night, he's clearly still tinkering with lineups, getting a feel for this team and testing out his substation patterns.
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Hope (and expect) he develops into a kid who makes more of an impact on the boards (offensive and defensive glass), as well as provides some interior scoring. Right now, we have no one who has showed the ability to catch the ball in the post and score occasionally on his man.
We need Marvin Clark to get his act together.
Clark is a better version of Mussini. He makes his free throws and he hits three pointers, and he does it against teams other than Wagner. He can’t play defense without fouling right now, but I think he can how do. He’s has a ways to go, but he’s not the problem right now.
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Clark is much better than Mussini, who was a one dimensional player. He’s valuable to us. Defends and shoots well. But as a 4 th year junior from MSU, coupled w his strength, I can’t understand all the fouling. We also need him to rebound more. Nevertheless, a good get for the program.
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Clark is much better than Mussini, who was a one dimensional player. He’s valuable to us. Defends and shoots well. But as a 4 th year junior from MSU, coupled w his strength, I can’t understand all the fouling. We also need him to rebound more. Nevertheless, a good get for the program.
Mussini (2 year average) 9.5 ppg, 2.1 rebounds, 1.5 assists
Clark 9.4 ppg, 3.9 rebounds, 0.7 assists
He’s a more efficient, and significantly larger Mussini. When he wants to rebound, I’m all for it, but he hasn’t so far.
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Clark is much better than Mussini, who was a one dimensional player. He’s valuable to us. Defends and shoots well. But as a 4 th year junior from MSU, coupled w his strength, I can’t understand all the fouling. We also need him to rebound more. Nevertheless, a good get for the program.
Mussini (2 year average) 9.5 ppg, 2.1 rebounds, 1.5 assists
Clark 9.4 ppg, 3.9 rebounds, 0.7 assists
He’s a more efficient, and significantly larger Mussini. When he wants to rebound, I’m all for it, but he hasn’t so far.
You’re not wrong about Clark. He needs to hit the glass. He’s a guy that’s could be a Caron Butler type. Not a direct comparison as butler was more of a wing and had a decent nba career as well. Caron Butler averaged 7.6 rebounds per game and he was even more of a SF than PF unlike Clark. I wanna see a bit more Anthony Glover out of Clark. With all that said, the kid has plenty of time to get better and people are pretty harsh on him early. It’s only his second full season play D1 ball and he’s only at the beginning of the season. Clark has been excellent with good numbers. He needs to play a bit smarter on defense without fouling, and take more pride at scoring the ball in the paint. Mullin should bring Rodman in every year to give a seminar on rebounding.
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Clark is much better than Mussini, who was a one dimensional player. He’s valuable to us. Defends and shoots well. But as a 4 th year junior from MSU, coupled w his strength, I can’t understand all the fouling. We also need him to rebound more. Nevertheless, a good get for the program.
Mussini (2 year average) 9.5 ppg, 2.1 rebounds, 1.5 assists
Clark 9.4 ppg, 3.9 rebounds, 0.7 assists
He’s a more efficient, and significantly larger Mussini. When he wants to rebound, I’m all for it, but he hasn’t so far.
Clark is much better than Mussini, who was a one dimensional player. He’s valuable to us. Defends and shoots well. But as a 4 th year junior from MSU, coupled w his strength, I can’t understand all the fouling. We also need him to rebound more. Nevertheless, a good get for the program.
Mussini (2 year average) 9.5 ppg, 2.1 rebounds, 1.5 assists
Clark 9.4 ppg, 3.9 rebounds, 0.7 assists
He’s a more efficient, and significantly larger Mussini. When he wants to rebound, I’m all for it, but he hasn’t so far.
You’re not wrong about Clark. He needs to hit the glass. He’s a guy that’s could be a Caron Butler type. Caron Butler averaged 7.6 rebounds per game and he was even more of a SF than PF unlike Clark. I wanna see a bit more Anthony Glover out of Clark. With all that said, the kid has plenty of time to get better and people are pretty harsh on him early. It’s only his second full season play D1 ball and he’s only at the beginning of the season. Mullin should bring Rodman in every year to give a seminar on rebounding.
Clark is much better than Mussini, who was a one dimensional player. He’s valuable to us. Defends and shoots well. But as a 4 th year junior from MSU, coupled w his strength, I can’t understand all the fouling. We also need him to rebound more. Nevertheless, a good get for the program.
Mussini (2 year average) 9.5 ppg, 2.1 rebounds, 1.5 assists
Clark 9.4 ppg, 3.9 rebounds, 0.7 assists
He’s a more efficient, and significantly larger Mussini. When he wants to rebound, I’m all for it, but he hasn’t so far.
You’re not wrong about Clark. He needs to hit the glass. He’s a guy that’s could be a Caron Butler type. Caron Butler averaged 7.6 rebounds per game and he was even more of a SF than PF unlike Clark. I wanna see a bit more Anthony Glover out of Clark. With all that said, the kid has plenty of time to get better and people are pretty harsh on him early. It’s only his second full season play D1 ball and he’s only at the beginning of the season. Mullin should bring Rodman in every year to give a seminar on rebounding.
I thought Clark is a jr. making this his 3rd season plus a redshirt year. Plus he had 2 years of tutelage from Izzo at Michigan State. I don’t think harsh is the right word. I think people were expecting more in the areas of rebounding, inside game and fouling less. He should be a seasoned veteran by now.
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Clark is much better than Mussini, who was a one dimensional player. He’s valuable to us. Defends and shoots well. But as a 4 th year junior from MSU, coupled w his strength, I can’t understand all the fouling. We also need him to rebound more. Nevertheless, a good get for the program.
Mussini (2 year average) 9.5 ppg, 2.1 rebounds, 1.5 assists
Clark 9.4 ppg, 3.9 rebounds, 0.7 assists
He’s a more efficient, and significantly larger Mussini. When he wants to rebound, I’m all for it, but he hasn’t so far.
Clark is much better than Mussini, who was a one dimensional player. He’s valuable to us. Defends and shoots well. But as a 4 th year junior from MSU, coupled w his strength, I can’t understand all the fouling. We also need him to rebound more. Nevertheless, a good get for the program.
Mussini (2 year average) 9.5 ppg, 2.1 rebounds, 1.5 assists
Clark 9.4 ppg, 3.9 rebounds, 0.7 assists
He’s a more efficient, and significantly larger Mussini. When he wants to rebound, I’m all for it, but he hasn’t so far.
You’re not wrong about Clark. He needs to hit the glass. He’s a guy that’s could be a Caron Butler type. Caron Butler averaged 7.6 rebounds per game and he was even more of a SF than PF unlike Clark. I wanna see a bit more Anthony Glover out of Clark. With all that said, the kid has plenty of time to get better and people are pretty harsh on him early. It’s only his second full season play D1 ball and he’s only at the beginning of the season. Mullin should bring Rodman in every year to give a seminar on rebounding.
Clark is much better than Mussini, who was a one dimensional player. He’s valuable to us. Defends and shoots well. But as a 4 th year junior from MSU, coupled w his strength, I can’t understand all the fouling. We also need him to rebound more. Nevertheless, a good get for the program.
Mussini (2 year average) 9.5 ppg, 2.1 rebounds, 1.5 assists
Clark 9.4 ppg, 3.9 rebounds, 0.7 assists
He’s a more efficient, and significantly larger Mussini. When he wants to rebound, I’m all for it, but he hasn’t so far.
You’re not wrong about Clark. He needs to hit the glass. He’s a guy that’s could be a Caron Butler type. Caron Butler averaged 7.6 rebounds per game and he was even more of a SF than PF unlike Clark. I wanna see a bit more Anthony Glover out of Clark. With all that said, the kid has plenty of time to get better and people are pretty harsh on him early. It’s only his second full season play D1 ball and he’s only at the beginning of the season. Mullin should bring Rodman in every year to give a seminar on rebounding.
I thought Clark is a jr. making this his 3rd season plus a redshirt year. Plus he had 2 years of tutelage from Izzo at Michigan State. I don’t think harsh is the right word. I think people were expecting more in the areas of rebounding, inside game and fouling less. He should be a seasoned veteran by now.
If you read the Michigan state message boards, he was always more of a SF type of player, not a PF. Likely why he didn't get the minutes he wanted. He still has time to improve though and become that player. The harsh comment is that he's actually playing really well. He's a very good shooter from the outside, and does a lot of good things. More rebounding and taking it to the hoop and he'd be that player. I do agree though. At this point he should be. 7-9 rebound per game player, not a 2.9-3.9 guy. That's on him. Needs to commit to being a PF a bit more, even though he has range,
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Our starting center averages 2 made threes a game and is hitting them at 50% a clip. He's scored in double figures 6 of his first 9 games after not playing a game for a year. He's terrible.
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Walden was magnificent! Really shouldered the burden sans Love it.
You guys got it all backwards. MC's hitting three's at a 52% clip. Needs to play more outside, not inside. Speaking of which - can Simon miss more than 1 three before he's labeled a bad shooter?
The refs can go to the monitor and change a charge into a block call? I guess by determining if the defender's in the restricted area? Announcers were speaking to the Gm and didn't say anything about it.
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Our starting center averages 2 made threes a game and is hitting them at 50% a clip. He's scored in double figures 6 of his first 9 games after not playing a game for a year. He's terrible.
Plus, I don't have proof that Mc and Simon are primarily responsible for the defensive makeover. Perhaps it's been Trimble? But logic would dictate it's been the two transfers.
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Anyone else think Trimble looked more trim and moved better this game?
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Agree, saw him shooting around in the practice facility after the Sacred Heart game and noticed the change. Making his foul shots at the end of the Grand Canyon game was also big. Need him now and down the road.
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Bashir Ahmed and everyone has played 9 games this season- 1 against Malloy and 4 more lower division 1 talent. His stats through 9 games are not accurate. They tell us nothing.
They do though tell us how to spell Molloy. Also they tell us how he has performed against the players against whom he has played. No doubt as a gym teacher you know how he would have performed against teams that he has not played. That's why I did not major in gym: I care little about the future.
I used to think you were fxcking with me and others. We would argue about players. And you bring up stats that didn’t really matter. I have come to realize that you have no idea what you are talking about. You still think Larry wright was a good player (their is no stat showing how soft he was) and norm Roberts was a rube for not playing him. You had no idea that christina jones was awful (built like Tarzan played like Jane ) . When he played enough he would accumulate stats. When he played enough the team always lost. Now Bashir Ahmed, you don’t see the black hole he is on offense. You don’t notice him leaving shooters on defense or not boxing out. Nothing like that willl be found in the box score. Like christina he will accumulate stats. Good teams are going to try and stop ponds and Lovett and let bashir shoot and make decisions. Hopefully he is up to it. Often bad shots are taken.
As for being a gym teacher- you are a pus. Because of the that you would have a tough time even with your vocabulary.
One more suggestion- change the picture from the Manson girl to son of Sam. Son of Sam is close to son of sloth! Exclamation means I am laughing at you!
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Our starting center averages 2 made threes a game and is hitting them at 50% a clip. He's scored in double figures 6 of his first 9 games after not playing a game for a year. He's terrible.
He's also averaging just 3.9 rebounds a game compared with 3.4 fouls and 1.9 turnovers. On the list of things coaches want big men to do, shooting threes is very low.
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Our starting center averages 2 made threes a game and is hitting them at 50% a clip. He's scored in double figures 6 of his first 9 games after not playing a game for a year. He's terrible.
He's also averaging just 3.9 rebounds a game compared with 3.4 fouls and 1.9 turnovers. On the list of things coaches want big men to do, shooting threes is very low.
I think he will be fine and with our offense it is nice that he can hit a three, but he absolutely has to rebound better. In the BE Ponds and Simon won't be able to keep up their current rebounding pace, which has saved us. Clark has to get about 6 boards a game. BTW Ahmed also has to rebound better!
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Bashir Ahmed and everyone has played 9 games this season- 1 against Malloy and 4 more lower division 1 talent. His stats through 9 games are not accurate. They tell us nothing.
They do though tell us how to spell Molloy. Also they tell us how he has performed against the players against whom he has played. No doubt as a gym teacher you know how he would have performed against teams that he has not played. That's why I did not major in gym: I care little about the future.
I used to think you were fxcking with me and others. We would argue about players. And you bring up stats that didn’t really matter. I have come to realize that you have no idea what you are talking about. You still think Larry wright was a good player (their is no stat showing how soft he was) and norm Roberts was a rube for not playing him. You had no idea that christina jones was awful (built like Tarzan played like Jane ) . When he played enough he would accumulate stats. When he played enough the team always lost. Now Bashir Ahmed, you don’t see the black hole he is on offense. You don’t notice him leaving shooters on defense or not boxing out. Nothing like that willl be found in the box score. Like christina he will accumulate stats. Good teams are going to try and stop ponds and Lovett and let bashir shoot and make decisions. Hopefully he is up to it. Often bad shots are taken.
As for being a gym teacher- you are a pus. Because of the that you would have a tough time even with your vocabulary.
One more suggestion- change the picture from the Manson girl to son of Sam. Son of Sam is close to son of sloth! Exclamation means I am laughing at you!
I think you are confusing two of the most famous and popular posters in the history of these boards. I am the better looking one BTW. I was Larry Wright's champion not Fun/ Foad and Norm was a dope for many, many reasons. Larry Wright's lack of PT was just one of them.
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All of us with eyes can see that Hammer could stand some improvement with regards to rebounding and foul trouble.
Still, he obviously is part of the major talent upgrade on Union turnpike and a big reason we've made a 360 turn from last year out of conference thus far. He considers himself a team leader and I'ld bet the other players and staff do too.
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All of us with eyes can see that Hammer could stand some improvement with regards to rebounding and foul trouble.
Still, he obviously is part of the major talent upgrade on Union turnpike and a big reason we've made a 360 turn from last year out of conference thus far. He considers himself a team leader and I'ld bet the other players and staff do too.
That's a 180 George
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All of us with eyes can see that Hammer could stand some improvement with regards to rebounding and foul trouble.
Still, he obviously is part of the major talent upgrade on Union turnpike and a big reason we've made a 360 turn from last year out of conference thus far. He considers himself a team leader and I'ld bet the other players and staff do too.
That's a 180 George
Ooopps...I struggle with academia in general and geology in particular.
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All of us with eyes can see that Hammer could stand some improvement with regards to rebounding and foul trouble.
Still, he obviously is part of the major talent upgrade on Union turnpike and a big reason we've made a 360 turn from last year out of conference thus far. He considers himself a team leader and I'ld bet the other players and staff do too.
That's a 180 George
Ooopps...I struggle with academia in general and geology in particular.
Geometry
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I used to think you were fxcking with me and others. We would argue about players. And you bring up stats that didn’t really matter. I have come to realize that you have no idea what you are talking about. You still think Larry wright was a good player (their is no stat showing how soft he was) and norm Roberts was a rube for not playing him.
You're confused. I was never a big Larry Wright fan. That was poster WASJU. They were in luv.
You had no idea that christina jones was awful (built like Tarzan played like Jane ) . When he played enough he would accumulate stats. When he played enough the team always lost.
I believed that Christian Jones - currently a professional basketball player - who averaged 9 points and 5 rebounds as a junior could have contributed as a senior on a team that won 13 games and lacked an insider presence. A team on which the two big men (Alibegowitz and Freudenburg) who got his minutes averaged 3 points and three rebounds between them. And I still believe it.
Now Bashir Ahmed, you don’t see the black hole he is on offense. You don’t notice him leaving shooters on defense or not boxing out. Nothing like that willl be found in the box score. Like christina he will accumulate stats. Good teams are going to try and stop ponds and Lovett and let bashir shoot and make decisions.
Wait. Stop the presses. Your theory is that teams are going to try and stop our two best players and make other less good players makes plays to beat them? My god, how has no one ever thought of that before, that's genius. I take back everything I ever said about gym teachers being complete and utter nice persons. It's a shame you're functionally illiterate, you could write a book on basketball strategy. Chapter One: Stop opposing teams best players. Chapter Two: Score more points than other team. And so on.
As for being a gym teacher- you are a pus. Because of the that you would have a tough time even with your vocabulary.
Actually I was a pretty good athlete as a tad. I played field hockey in the fall and figure skated in the winter and still have the taut thighs of a Swedish gymynast.
One more suggestion- change the picture from the Manson girl to son of Sam.
Yeah, it's not really a Manson girl stupid. That was me fxcking with you.
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I used to think you were fxcking with me and others. We would argue about players. And you bring up stats that didn’t really matter. I have come to realize that you have no idea what you are talking about. You still think Larry wright was a good player (their is no stat showing how soft he was) and norm Roberts was a rube for not playing him.
You're confused. I was never a big Larry Wright fan. That was poster WASJU. They were in luv.
You had no idea that christina jones was awful (built like Tarzan played like Jane ) . When he played enough he would accumulate stats. When he played enough the team always lost.
I believed that Christian Jones - currently a professional basketball player - who averaged 9 points and 5 rebounds as a junior could have contributed as a senior on a team that won 13 games and lacked an insider presence. A team on which the two big men (Alibegowitz and Freudenburg) who got his minutes averaged 3 points and three rebounds between them. And I still believe it.
Now Bashir Ahmed, you don’t see the black hole he is on offense. You don’t notice him leaving shooters on defense or not boxing out. Nothing like that willl be found in the box score. Like christina he will accumulate stats. Good teams are going to try and stop ponds and Lovett and let bashir shoot and make decisions.
Wait. Stop the presses. Your theory is that teams are going to try and stop our two best players and make other less good players makes plays to beat them? My god, how has no one ever thought of that before, that's genius. I take back everything I ever said about gym teachers being complete and utter nice persons. It's a shame you're functionally illiterate, you could write a book on basketball strategy. Chapter One: Stop opposing teams best players. Chapter Two: Score more points than other team. And so on.
As for being a gym teacher- you are a pus. Because of the that you would have a tough time even with your vocabulary.
Actually I was a pretty good athlete as a tad. I played field hockey in the fall and figure skated in the winter and still have the taut thighs of a Swedish gymynast.
One more suggestion- change the picture from the Manson girl to son of Sam.
Yeah, it's not really a Manson girl stupid. That was me fxcking with you.
There is a saying "press box hot". Back in the day when sportswriters were all 60 year old guys smoking cigars and any woman walked into the press box, no matter what she actually looked like she appeared to be a super model. Anthony Mason, Cedric Jackson, Geno Lawrence, Avery Patterson, etc. Larry Wright's jumper looked like Kate Upton compared to those mushes.
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All of us with eyes can see that Hammer could stand some improvement with regards to rebounding and foul trouble.
Still, he obviously is part of the major talent upgrade on Union turnpike and a big reason we've made a 360 turn from last year out of conference thus far. He considers himself a team leader and I'ld bet the other players and staff do too.
That's a 180 George
Ooopps...I struggle with academia in general and geology in particular.
Geometry
You see.