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Title: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: tnice on December 17, 2017, 04:54:38 PM
10-6 Johnnies w 13 to go in 1st half

2 observations:

Kudos to the SJU staff for taking my suggestion to run 1 guy to the foul line v. the zone instead of 2. If you need any more helpful suggestions, PM me.

Justin Simon is going to be really, really good before he's done here.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: newsman13 on December 17, 2017, 04:57:52 PM
Still blowing majority of layups...tough to watch.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: TheVig on December 17, 2017, 05:02:57 PM
Ponds should check into whether And1 mixtape tour is still around. That's where he belongs
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 05:13:06 PM
maybe try a TO because this team looks lost
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: goredmen on December 17, 2017, 05:15:08 PM
Need to get Ponds the ball in position to score or make a play
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Redmaninflorida on December 17, 2017, 05:15:39 PM
On offense we have had decent shot opportunities, we just missed them. Rather than looking lost, i think they looked too casual...after they had a modest lead and blocked shots, it seemed to me they played way too casual.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Redmaninflorida on December 17, 2017, 05:22:05 PM
We really let Iona hang around with our terrible shooting offsetting their terrible ball handling and our blocks.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 05:22:12 PM
Need to get Ponds the ball in position to score or make a play

I mean, yeah, but Ponds doesn't look decisive at all

no points in the first half against Iona is rough, no other way to put it
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 05:23:27 PM
behind the back dribbling from ponds...out of control
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on December 17, 2017, 05:24:46 PM
This is tough to watch.  I think I'll tune in to the NFL.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on December 17, 2017, 05:25:03 PM
On offense we have had decent shot opportunities, we just missed them. Rather than looking lost, i think they looked too casual...after they had a modest lead and blocked shots, it seemed to me they played way too casual.
You think that was casual. You should have watched them warm up. Never saw a team like this. Bricks and missed dunks in warmups.  We miss Lovett. But Iona sucks. But atleast they seem to want to be here
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: goredmen on December 17, 2017, 05:25:13 PM
Pathetic
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 05:26:09 PM
Defense only reason this is still a game...with Ponds having a bad half, Simon foul trouble and Lovett out again it's no surprise they can't score

good second half and win this one...but just like with the other bad 1st half efforts, you're not winning big east games like this
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: goredmen on December 17, 2017, 05:27:49 PM
Defense only reason this is still a game...with Ponds having a bad half, Simon foul trouble and Lovett out again it's no surprise they can't score

good second half and win this one...but just like with the other bad 1st half efforts, you're not winning big east games like this

Defense and the fact that Iona is terrible. Lucky to be tied
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: TheVig on December 17, 2017, 05:35:26 PM
On offense we have had decent shot opportunities, we just missed them. Rather than looking lost, i think they looked too casual...after they had a modest lead and blocked shots, it seemed to me they played way too casual.
You think that was casual. You should have watched them warm up. Never saw a team like this. Bricks and missed dunks in warmups.  We miss Lovett. But Iona sucks. But atleast they seem to want to be here

I've noticed this for years and it pisses me off immensely. They clown around jogging through warmups and it carries over to the game. The coaching staff doesn't give a shit
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Redmaninflorida on December 17, 2017, 05:36:02 PM
I thought we could have trouble with Iona but the problem is ourselves, not Iona.
We need Ponds or Ahmed to Show some emotion with a few scores to put life in this team.
Playing flat today could be a recipe for missing the tournament in March.
Providence should have lost to Stony Brook but a walk on gave them some emotion and they escaped with a win.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 17, 2017, 05:40:04 PM
Iona looks bad, St Johns worse
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Johnny23 on December 17, 2017, 05:42:51 PM
Bashir Ahmed pulling his best Charles Smith can't make a layup impression there.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Johnny23 on December 17, 2017, 05:44:06 PM
Very sloppy effort for the Johnnies so far. Add to that no 3's and makes it a much closer game than it should be.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Marillac on December 17, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Ahmed playing like a savage on the glass.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: TheVig on December 17, 2017, 05:45:05 PM
Bashir Ahmed pulling his best Charles Smith can't make a layup impression there.
NBA Draft Evaluation: cannot make layup with right (strong) hand
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: goredmen on December 17, 2017, 05:51:55 PM
Much better energy to start the 2nd half. Looking to beat that Iona nonsense pressure for scores and it's working
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Redmaninflorida on December 17, 2017, 05:53:24 PM
Ahmed is having a real good game with not out of control effort..
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Marillac on December 17, 2017, 06:04:40 PM
Iona sucks.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on December 17, 2017, 06:08:42 PM
Iona sucks.
Yes
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: goredmen on December 17, 2017, 06:10:21 PM
Iona sucks.

Understatement
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 06:15:55 PM
much better from ponds...close it out
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 06:17:39 PM
Amar Alibegovic as a legendary pylon
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 06:19:44 PM
lol at simon just wow
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: patrick on December 17, 2017, 06:20:16 PM
We'd be better off playing with 4 Than ever with Ali
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: TheVig on December 17, 2017, 06:21:37 PM
Ahmed is having a real good game with not out of control effort..
Never have I seen a guy air ball and then near air ball two bear uncontested layups
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: goredmen on December 17, 2017, 06:21:59 PM
Ahmed would be lucky if he finds a pro team in Somalia that would give him a contract
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 06:22:23 PM
simon and 1 makes up for that turnover
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 06:23:36 PM
Owens with another block and then shows how bad his hands are, lets a guard rip the ball out of his hands
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 06:27:37 PM
great putback from owens
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Johnny23 on December 17, 2017, 06:29:05 PM
Owens with the Block party!
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: talkbigeast on December 17, 2017, 06:31:45 PM
This game was over 6 min into second half ...Iona's run meant nothing and  still waiting for ponds to be suspended ...hey baldi go kick rocks
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: goredmen on December 17, 2017, 06:37:13 PM
Iona's streak of double digit losses to power conference teams continues
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 06:38:19 PM
9-2...not a great performance but they won

Lovett needs to get healthy, getting concerned with how long it's taking
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Foryoureyesonly88 on December 17, 2017, 06:40:19 PM
-Iona came into this game on a four game win streak
-St. John’s doesn’t hit one three
-Our second best player was out

And we still beat Iona by double figures.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: wpc77 on December 17, 2017, 06:44:59 PM
-Iona came into this game on a four game win streak
-St. John’s doesn’t hit one three
-Our second best player was out

And we still beat Iona by double figures.

That's a bit of a polly approach.  The more measured approach would be to acknowledge that, and also remember that:

- we were outrebounded by 7

- our bench sucks hard ass. Literally no one of worth.

- Ponds' outside shooting is somehow degrading under 2 NBA all time great outside shooters
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: goredmen on December 17, 2017, 06:49:51 PM
-Iona came into this game on a four game win streak
-St. John’s doesn’t hit one three
-Our second best player was out

And we still beat Iona by double figures.

That's a bit of a polly approach.  The more measured approach would be to acknowledge that, and also remember that:

- we were outrebounded by 7

- our bench sucks hard ass. Literally no one of worth.

- Ponds' outside shooting is somehow degrading under 2 NBA all time great outside shooters

The bench is shallow which is why any injuries are killers. Not having Lovett is forcing the staff to play the bench guys more than they would like. That being said, Amar is the only one that gets run that is completely worthless. Trimble gives the team solid minutes because he's solid on the defensive end and knows his role on offense. He doesn't take stupid shots or have unforced turnovers. Yakwe also gives the team solid minutes on the bench. Neither of those 2 guys are great players by any stretch but they are solid bench players
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: MCNPA on December 17, 2017, 06:50:09 PM
-Iona came into this game on a four game win streak
-St. John’s doesn’t hit one three
-Our second best player was out

And we still beat Iona by double figures.

That's a bit of a polly approach.  The more measured approach would be to acknowledge that, and also remember that:

- we were outrebounded by 7

- our bench sucks hard ass. Literally no one of worth.

- Ponds' outside shooting is somehow degrading under 2 NBA all time great outside shooters

Ponds just a sophomore slump...  fwiw, I'm hoping it gets us another with SJU.  Would be amazing and at this rate, I'd hope he wouldn't jump.    Our bench is thin, they don't suck except for maybe AliB.  A narrow rebounding margin means nada.  We already know we don't have a very tall nor deep frontcourt.  That will all change next year. 
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Pete88 on December 17, 2017, 06:53:53 PM
-Iona came into this game on a four game win streak
-St. John’s doesn’t hit one three
-Our second best player was out

And we still beat Iona by double figures.

That's a bit of a polly approach.  The more measured approach would be to acknowledge that, and also remember that:

- we were outrebounded by 7

- our bench sucks hard ass. Literally no one of worth.

- Ponds' outside shooting is somehow degrading under 2 NBA all time great outside shooters

Ponds just a sophomore slump...  fwiw, I'm hoping it gets us another with SJU.  Would be amazing and at this rate, I'd hope he wouldn't jump.    Our bench is thin, they don't suck except for maybe AliB.  A narrow rebounding margin means nada.  We already know we don't have a very tall nor deep frontcourt.  That will all change next year. 

Where's Ponds going to jump to?
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Celtics11 on December 17, 2017, 06:58:54 PM
Ponds is playing too nonchalant and with too much French pastry. Make the simple play once in awhile and stop hanging out with Melo.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 17, 2017, 07:00:08 PM
Ponds is playing too nonchalant and with too much French pastry. Make the simple play once in awhile and stop hanging out with Melo.

Noticed that too. He dribbles up the court like he's playing in the park with his nephews
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Pete88 on December 17, 2017, 07:02:47 PM
Ponds is playing too nonchalant and with too much French pastry. Make the simple play once in awhile and stop hanging out with Melo.

Noticed that too. He dribbles up the court like he's playing in the park with his nephews

Ponds is playing too nonchalant and with too much French pastry. Make the simple play once in awhile and stop hanging out with Melo.

Noticed that too. He dribbles up the court like he's playing in the park with his nephews

In fairness, his nephews are most likely better than the IONA players though
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 17, 2017, 07:16:17 PM
Ponds is playing too nonchalant and with too much French pastry. Make the simple play once in awhile and stop hanging out with Melo.

Noticed that too. He dribbles up the court like he's playing in the park with his nephews

Ponds is playing too nonchalant and with too much French pastry. Make the simple play once in awhile and stop hanging out with Melo.

Noticed that too. He dribbles up the court like he's playing in the park with his nephews

In fairness, his nephews are most likely better than the IONA players though

Ya you're right. St Johns dominated them today
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 17, 2017, 07:22:44 PM
Justin Simon certainly is athletic, but makes too many bone head plays. Gonna hurt in big east. Owens was a savage today, love what I saw from him., Clark too. If Trimble is getting minutes in Big east play. Not a good sign.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on December 17, 2017, 07:34:57 PM
Ahmed playing like a savage on the glass.

If only his first priority was to make the shots he takes around the basket he would lose about half his offensive rebounding opportunities.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: capmaker on December 17, 2017, 08:26:52 PM
https://nypost.com/2017/12/17/st-johns-flips-a-switch-and-isnt-haunted-by-uneven-play-yet/
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: prjohnnies on December 17, 2017, 08:33:48 PM
Negatives - yet another first half where we play down the comp; getting out-rebounded by a team that has no business being us on the glass; not hitting a 3 (didn't think I'd see that happen); Ponds continues to struggle from the outside, which at this point I'm chalking to either his gaining strength in the offseason such that it is taking some time for his body to figure things out or some type of hand injury.  Hoping that turns.

Positives - yet another second half where we come out early against a team that has no business being close to us and put the game out of sight (this one was over after the 19-4 run); winning by double digits without hitting a 3, with Ponds having a horrific game from the outside, and without Lovett.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Celtics11 on December 17, 2017, 08:43:49 PM
Negatives - yet another first half where we play down the comp; getting out-rebounded by a team that has no business being us on the glass; not hitting a 3 (didn't think I'd see that happen); Ponds continues to struggle from the outside, which at this point I'm chalking to either his gaining strength in the offseason such that it is taking some time for his body to figure things out or some type of hand injury.  Hoping that turns.

Positives - yet another second half where we come out early against a team that has no business being close to us and put the game out of sight (this one was over after the 19-4 run); winning by double digits without hitting a 3, with Ponds having a horrific game from the outside, and without Lovett.
Or maybe his goldfish died. Maybe he is just in a shooting slump. Might also help if he didn't take some of them from Steph Curry range. Try being less of a showman and be a more productive player you're not Magic Johnson.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Marillac on December 17, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
Ahmed playing like a savage on the glass.

If only his first priority was to make the shots he takes around the basket he would lose about half his offensive rebounding opportunities.

He went out and got some rebounds tonight as tenaciously as I've seen from anyone in many years. What we need is Clark, Simon, and Owens to do the same and we become very tough to beat.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: shamsman2 on December 17, 2017, 08:47:13 PM
Justin Simon certainly is athletic, but makes too many bone head plays. Gonna hurt in big east. Owens was a savage today, love what I saw from him., Clark too. If Trimble is getting minutes in Big east play. Not a good sign.

He has one turnover in the last two games, I'll take his bonehead plays.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: MCNPA on December 17, 2017, 08:49:56 PM
Ahmed playing like a savage on the glass.

If only his first priority was to make the shots he takes around the basket he would lose about half his offensive rebounding opportunities.

He went out and got some rebounds tonight as tenaciously as I've seen from anyone in many years. What we need is Clark, Simon, and Owens to do the same and we become very tough to beat.

Dont include Owens... he was a beast tonight overall.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: MCNPA on December 17, 2017, 08:51:23 PM
Justin Simon certainly is athletic, but makes too many bone head plays. Gonna hurt in big east. Owens was a savage today, love what I saw from him., Clark too. If Trimble is getting minutes in Big east play. Not a good sign.

He has one turnover in the last two games, I'll take his bonehead plays.

Owens has been awesome overall.  A little more touch off the glass and refinement.  He still has some years here and is a big catalyst. 
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on December 17, 2017, 08:53:41 PM
Ahmed playing like a savage on the glass.

If only his first priority was to make the shots he takes around the basket he would lose about half his offensive rebounding opportunities.

He went out and got some rebounds tonight as tenaciously as I've seen from anyone in many years. What we need is Clark, Simon, and Owens to do the same and we become very tough to beat.

My point was that Bashir takes inside shots with the intention to get fouled. No exaggeration. Not once does he go straight up to finish and because of that his fg% is garbage.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Foad on December 17, 2017, 08:56:07 PM
Ahmed playing like a savage on the glass.

If only his first priority was to make the shots he takes around the basket he would lose about half his offensive rebounding opportunities.

He went out and got some rebounds tonight as tenaciously as I've seen from anyone in many years.

Five rebounds in one remarkable six second span under the basket in the second half. 29 rebounds his past three games. People see what they want to see. It's almost sad.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: RedStormNC on December 17, 2017, 08:59:15 PM
Post game press conf

http://www.redstormsports.com/collegesportslive/?media=567970

Post game quotes

http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/121717aaf.html
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: dalydoseofhoops on December 17, 2017, 09:17:40 PM
http://dalydoseofhoops.blogspot.com/2017/12/st-johns-length-and-athleticism-too.html
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: carmineabbatiello on December 17, 2017, 09:17:53 PM
With fans like us our players don't need enemies.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: desco80 on December 17, 2017, 09:43:35 PM
Justin Simon certainly is athletic, but makes too many bone head plays. Gonna hurt in big east. Owens was a savage today, love what I saw from him., Clark too. If Trimble is getting minutes in Big east play. Not a good sign.

He has one turnover in the last two games, I'll take his bonehead plays.
+1
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: desco80 on December 17, 2017, 09:48:12 PM
I think shot selection has a lot to do with Ponds's shooting percentages from 3.    He didn't come here with a reputation as a sharpshooter, and put up surprisingly good shooting numbers as a frosh.  Now he's acting as if he has a green light inside half court (and maybe he does).
Either way, coaches need to stop this.   Get Marcus back to taking reasonable shots in rhythm.     We don't need 30ft fade-aways from him.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: desco80 on December 17, 2017, 09:49:47 PM
Lovett not playing probably also creates less open opportunities for Ponds.  That's a reasonable assumption.    Not the whole story, but getting him back should help Ponds get back on track.   
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: redslope on December 17, 2017, 09:54:45 PM
Lovett not playing probably also creates less open opportunities for Ponds.  That's a reasonable assumption.    Not the whole story, but getting him back should help Ponds get back on track.   

I was thinking something similar as he might be feeling the pressure of not having Lovett on the floor with him.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Poison on December 17, 2017, 10:05:20 PM
Owens with another block and then shows how bad his hands are, lets a guard rip the ball out of his hands

He needs to get stronger. We all know that. He knows that. But come on, he outplayed anyone on Iona today. The proof is in Tariq Owens. 6 blocks. Respect.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: rdstr25 on December 17, 2017, 10:33:21 PM
Owens has been fantastic this year, really stepped up since Lovett’s injury. He’s never gonna be mistaken for Kennedy Meeks but kid can play and plays well.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Moon Mullen on December 17, 2017, 10:45:11 PM
Owens was arguably MVP today.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: MCNPA on December 17, 2017, 10:49:21 PM
Owens was a beast.  He won't be a versatile offensive center, but defensively, he's not just blocks.  Moves feet well, attacks glass on offense, can even guard SF's.  Kid keeps getting better.  Imagine when he has 3-4 "colleagues" alongside next year?
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 18, 2017, 08:54:30 AM
Announced attendance was 9515.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on December 18, 2017, 09:47:03 AM
Announced attendance was 9515.
I have seen much worse crowds. Especially for this festival. It didn’t seem half full though. Iona brought some fans. They seemed very happy to be playing in the garden.
Who is in charge of our schedule? We lose garden games.  Nova and seton hall play good teams in the garden. We played Grand Canyon at 11:30. We play Arizona State without tv. Next we play a bad st. Joes team at 4:30. That game could have been fun to go to. Not worth taking 2 days off from work
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Johnny23 on December 18, 2017, 09:53:30 AM
Announced attendance was 9515.
I have seen much worse crowds. Especially for this festival. It didn’t seem half full though. Iona brought some fans. They seemed very happy to be playing in the garden.
Who is in charge of our schedule? We lose garden games.  Nova and seton hall play good teams in the garden. We played Grand Canyon at 11:30. We play Arizona State without tv. Next we play a bad st. Joes team at 4:30. That game could have been fun to go to. Not worth taking 2 days off from work

I was also kinda shocked to hear the announcers saying yesterday that this was the first of 5 reg season games at MSG for the Johnnies this year. Only 5? I would've thought more than that.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: apesNapes on December 18, 2017, 10:00:36 AM
iona was trash, like watching the ucf game again.  iona is the type of team we should play in a half empty carnasecca. the holiday festival needs to step it up and get some excitement back to this game even if it isn't a local (but not penn state either).  they can't get uconn to come down for this game?
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 18, 2017, 10:14:29 AM
iona was trash, like watching the ucf game again.  iona is the type of team we should play in a half empty carnasecca. the holiday festival needs to step it up and get some excitement back to this game even if it isn't a local (but not penn state either).  they can't get uconn to come down for this game?

Make it a 2 day tournament again. A power team, St. John's and 2 locals.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Poison on December 18, 2017, 10:21:16 AM
Announced attendance was 9515.

That's not bad.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Marillac on December 18, 2017, 10:31:44 AM
Justin Simon certainly is athletic, but makes too many bone head plays. Gonna hurt in big east. Owens was a savage today, love what I saw from him., Clark too. If Trimble is getting minutes in Big east play. Not a good sign.

He has one turnover in the last two games, I'll take his bonehead plays.

True, but his turnover lost us the Arizona St. game and then his completely unforced turnover tonight with around 5 minutes left brought Iona within 6-7 briefly. He has done a very impressive realizing his dribbling limitations in the half court the last few games (even more impressive with Lovett out) and has really kept it to 1-2 dribbles when he had the mismatch. In the open court, he's a demon.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: sju61982 on December 18, 2017, 10:31:45 AM
Announced attendance was 9515.

That's not bad.


Army had decent fan support for game 1 (I was there for the second half of it), but most of the fans were there for Iona-SJU.  Iona had a pretty good number of fans, but it was still an overwhelmingly SJU crowd.  I'd say around 7500 was the actual attendance during our game.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Foad on December 18, 2017, 10:38:51 AM
St John's Iona recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: apesNapes on December 18, 2017, 10:43:35 AM
Justin Simon certainly is athletic, but makes too many bone head plays. Gonna hurt in big east. Owens was a savage today, love what I saw from him., Clark too. If Trimble is getting minutes in Big east play. Not a good sign.

He has one turnover in the last two games, I'll take his bonehead plays.

True, but his turnover lost us the Arizona St. game and then his completely unforced turnover tonight with around 5 minutes left brought Iona within 6-7 briefly. He has done a very impressive realizing his dribbling limitations in the half court the last few games (even more impressive with Lovett out) and has really kept it to 1-2 dribbles when he had the mismatch. In the open court, he's a demon.
I agree his turnovers have been at very bad times so they stick out BUT, in simon's defense, he really shouldn't be bringing the ball up as much in crunch time but he has had to bc of lovett's injury
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: we are sju on December 18, 2017, 10:59:56 AM
Justin Simon certainly is athletic, but makes too many bone head plays. Gonna hurt in big east. Owens was a savage today, love what I saw from him., Clark too. If Trimble is getting minutes in Big east play. Not a good sign.

He has one turnover in the last two games, I'll take his bonehead plays.

True, but his turnover lost us the Arizona St. game and then his completely unforced turnover tonight with around 5 minutes left brought Iona within 6-7 briefly. He has done a very impressive realizing his dribbling limitations in the half court the last few games (even more impressive with Lovett out) and has really kept it to 1-2 dribbles when he had the mismatch. In the open court, he's a demon.

After 11 games Justin Simon is MVP of the team. Not really close even.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: redslope on December 18, 2017, 11:21:37 AM
iona was trash, like watching the ucf game again.  iona is the type of team we should play in a half empty carnasecca. the holiday festival needs to step it up and get some excitement back to this game even if it isn't a local (but not penn state either).  they can't get uconn to come down for this game?

Make it a 2 day tournament again. A power team, St. John's and 2 locals.

sad to say but things have changed.  To those too young to remember this was once a great tournament.  I remember going to "old Garden" with a GO card when it was an 8 team get together and seeing some fantastic games.  1964 had Michigan with Cazzie and Princeton with Bradley (who scored 41 before fouling out in semi final to #1 Michigan--one of the greatest BB performances ever). and our Redmen winning it all over Michigan by 1.  A couple of years later Lew and UCLA came in (we lost to them in the final. In 1975, we lost the final to Indiana that went unbeaten.  Problem now is all the November tournaments and NCAA game limits (and all the college FB bowls).
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 18, 2017, 11:30:47 AM
I believe the reason it isn't a tournament anymore is there is a new rule you can't play in two tournaments in one season.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Marillac on December 18, 2017, 11:35:30 AM
Justin Simon certainly is athletic, but makes too many bone head plays. Gonna hurt in big east. Owens was a savage today, love what I saw from him., Clark too. If Trimble is getting minutes in Big east play. Not a good sign.

He has one turnover in the last two games, I'll take his bonehead plays.

True, but his turnover lost us the Arizona St. game and then his completely unforced turnover tonight with around 5 minutes left brought Iona within 6-7 briefly. He has done a very impressive realizing his dribbling limitations in the half court the last few games (even more impressive with Lovett out) and has really kept it to 1-2 dribbles when he had the mismatch. In the open court, he's a demon.

After 11 games Justin Simon is MVP of the team. Not really close even.

I think he keys the defense, but we'd have 5-6 losses without Ponds. I'd like to see him and Clark commit to the offensive glass and okayncloser to the basket.

Ponds has to create everything for us right now. I don't think our fans realize how hard that is without a post presence or a second capable ball-handler. Look how good Ponds is in any situation where he can come off the ball:  he looked incredible getting the ball at the ft line against the zone, he posts up well, and he is unguardable facing up in the mid and high post.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 18, 2017, 11:55:23 AM
I believe the reason it isn't a tournament anymore is there is a new rule you can't play in two tournaments in one season.

Then call it a 2 day Holiday Festival
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on December 18, 2017, 12:30:32 PM
I believe the reason it isn't a tournament anymore is there is a new rule you can't play in two tournaments in one season.
I believe the reason it isn't a tournament anymore is there is a new rule you can't play in two tournaments in one season.

Then call it a 2 day Holiday Festival

Then call it a 2 day Holiday Festival
Or we could just skip going to places like Orlando and playing teams like Oregon state and central Florida.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: we are sju on December 18, 2017, 12:36:52 PM
Justin Simon certainly is athletic, but makes too many bone head plays. Gonna hurt in big east. Owens was a savage today, love what I saw from him., Clark too. If Trimble is getting minutes in Big east play. Not a good sign.

He has one turnover in the last two games, I'll take his bonehead plays.

True, but his turnover lost us the Arizona St. game and then his completely unforced turnover tonight with around 5 minutes left brought Iona within 6-7 briefly. He has done a very impressive realizing his dribbling limitations in the half court the last few games (even more impressive with Lovett out) and has really kept it to 1-2 dribbles when he had the mismatch. In the open court, he's a demon.

After 11 games Justin Simon is MVP of the team. Not really close even.

I think he keys the defense, but we'd have 5-6 losses without Ponds. I'd like to see him and Clark commit to the offensive glass and okayncloser to the basket.

Ponds has to create everything for us right now. I don't think our fans realize how hard that is without a post presence or a second capable ball-handler. Look how good Ponds is in any situation where he can come off the ball:  he looked incredible getting the ball at the ft line against the zone, he posts up well, and he is unguardable facing up in the mid and high post.

Honestly I am encouraged we are where we are considering how terribly Ponds has shot the ball.  I understand he is a volume scorer but..... he really needs Lovett back. 
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: sju61982 on December 18, 2017, 12:41:14 PM
iona was trash, like watching the ucf game again.  iona is the type of team we should play in a half empty carnasecca. the holiday festival needs to step it up and get some excitement back to this game even if it isn't a local (but not penn state either).  they can't get uconn to come down for this game?

Make it a 2 day tournament again. A power team, St. John's and 2 locals.

sad to say but things have changed.  To those too young to remember this was once a great tournament.  I remember going to "old Garden" with a GO card when it was an 8 team get together and seeing some fantastic games.  1964 had Michigan with Cazzie and Princeton with Bradley (who scored 41 before fouling out in semi final to #1 Michigan--one of the greatest BB performances ever). and our Redmen winning it all over Michigan by 1.  A couple of years later Lew and UCLA came in (we lost to them in the final. In 1975, we lost the final to Indiana that went unbeaten.  Problem now is all the November tournaments and NCAA game limits (and all the college FB bowls).

The Great Alaska Shootout is another tournament that really got hurt by all the ESPN events.  In fact, that tournament will no longer be taking place, in any form.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: carmineabbatiello on December 18, 2017, 02:15:36 PM
True, but his turnover lost us the Arizona St. game 

That's bullshite ya hater.

Perhaps your boyfriends 6 for 23 and 1 for 8 lost us the game.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: carmineabbatiello on December 18, 2017, 02:23:46 PM
iona was trash, like watching the ucf game again.  iona is the type of team we should play in a half empty carnasecca. the holiday festival needs to step it up and get some excitement back to this game even if it isn't a local (but not penn state either).  they can't get uconn to come down for this game?

Make it a 2 day tournament again. A power team, St. John's and 2 locals.

It's time to get New York's team, Albany, into the event.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: austour on December 18, 2017, 03:48:35 PM
I believe the reason it isn't a tournament anymore is there is a new rule you can't play in two tournaments in one season.

Kind of, but also not all tournaments are created equal.  I don't think the holiday festival was ever an exempt tournament.

Prior to about 10 years ago  teams had a maximum number of games they could play.  In the mid oughts the rules were changed and teams could play either 29 regular season games or 27 regular season games plus no more than four games in one multi-team tournament (four games, ergo "home tournament games" in addition to the 8 team on site brackets) for a maximum of 31 games. Postseason tournaments do not count against the limit.  At that time they also eliminated the rule where teams could only play in two exempt tournaments every 4  years.  When that rule was in place some teams would play the Holiday Fest when they weren't eligible for exempt tournaments.

So the Holiday Fest as a non exempt 2 game tourney back then counted as two games.  Two games that can be played at home to generate significant revenue, instead of giving away one of those games to play in an exempt tournament.  Why is it not exempt?  That I do not know or remember.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: cjfish on December 18, 2017, 06:17:27 PM
-Iona came into this game on a four game win streak
-St. John’s doesn’t hit one three
-Our second best player was out

And we still beat Iona by double figures.

That's a bit of a polly approach.  The more measured approach would be to acknowledge that, and also remember that:

- we were outrebounded by 7

- our bench sucks hard ass. Literally no one of worth.

- Ponds' outside shooting is somehow degrading under 2 NBA all time great outside shooters

Ponds just a sophomore slump...  fwiw, I'm hoping it gets us another with SJU.  Would be amazing and at this rate, I'd hope he wouldn't jump.    Our bench is thin, they don't suck except for maybe AliB.  A narrow rebounding margin means nada.  We already know we don't have a very tall nor deep frontcourt.  That will all change next year.






Alib   is saving his best performances  for the conference season where he will confidently give 4 fouls a game  ;D ;D
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: section3 on December 18, 2017, 09:39:55 PM
Owens was a beast.  He won't be a versatile offensive center, but defensively, he's not just blocks.  Moves feet well, attacks glass on offense, can even guard SF's.  Kid keeps getting better.  Imagine when he has 3-4 "colleagues" alongside next year?
And it looked like he calmed Ponds down when he was chirping to refs.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: redstorm212 on December 18, 2017, 09:50:48 PM
We still haven't put it all together yet, which IMO, could mean our best games this season are yet to come. I believe Ponds will find his 3pt shot at some point, could be the Saint Joe's game. Simon needs to keep attacking the basket. He's hard to guard once he decides that's what he's doing. Clark continues to become better and more consistent. Rebounding and interior defense will plague us all year but it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.

Shaping up to be a fun season.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Poison on December 18, 2017, 09:52:25 PM
Justin Simon certainly is athletic, but makes too many bone head plays. Gonna hurt in big east. Owens was a savage today, love what I saw from him., Clark too. If Trimble is getting minutes in Big east play. Not a good sign.

He has one turnover in the last two games, I'll take his bonehead plays.

True, but his turnover lost us the Arizona St. game and then his completely unforced turnover tonight with around 5 minutes left brought Iona within 6-7 briefly. He has done a very impressive realizing his dribbling limitations in the half court the last few games (even more impressive with Lovett out) and has really kept it to 1-2 dribbles when he had the mismatch. In the open court, he's a demon.

After 11 games Justin Simon is MVP of the team. Not really close even.

You can't take that many milligrams at once. You have to be patient with edibles.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: redstorm212 on December 18, 2017, 09:58:43 PM
Justin Simon certainly is athletic, but makes too many bone head plays. Gonna hurt in big east. Owens was a savage today, love what I saw from him., Clark too. If Trimble is getting minutes in Big east play. Not a good sign.

He has one turnover in the last two games, I'll take his bonehead plays.

True, but his turnover lost us the Arizona St. game and then his completely unforced turnover tonight with around 5 minutes left brought Iona within 6-7 briefly. He has done a very impressive realizing his dribbling limitations in the half court the last few games (even more impressive with Lovett out) and has really kept it to 1-2 dribbles when he had the mismatch. In the open court, he's a demon.

After 11 games Justin Simon is MVP of the team. Not really close even.

This can't be a serious take. I'm a huge Simon fan, but...come on.
Title: Re: SJU-Iona game thread
Post by: Celtics11 on December 18, 2017, 10:37:19 PM
I believe the reason it isn't a tournament anymore is there is a new rule you can't play in two tournaments in one season.

Kind of, but also not all tournaments are created equal.  I don't think the holiday festival was ever an exempt tournament.

Prior to about 10 years ago  teams had a maximum number of games they could play.  In the mid oughts the rules were changed and teams could play either 29 regular season games or 27 regular season games plus no more than four games in one multi-team tournament (four games, ergo "home tournament games" in addition to the 8 team on site brackets) for a maximum of 31 games. Postseason tournaments do not count against the limit.  At that time they also eliminated the rule where teams could only play in two exempt tournaments every 4  years.  When that rule was in place some teams would play the Holiday Fest when they weren't eligible for exempt tournaments.

So the Holiday Fest as a non exempt 2 game tourney back then counted as two games.  Two games that can be played at home to generate significant revenue, instead of giving away one of those games to play in an exempt tournament.  Why is it not exempt?  That I do not know or remember.
Very astute austour.