6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: carmineabbatiello on January 04, 2018, 05:50:19 PM
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These next too are pretty big. :tickedoff:
I will not shall not can not believe we're the worst team in the league:
Gun violence capital of America - 68
Gun violence and homicide numbers way down - 69
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I predict Lovett will not play.
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I predict Lovett will not play.
lol good prediction.
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Limit Maric and Strus and we're good, with or without Marcus.
Blue Demons 72
Johnnies 86
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Strus - how did DePaul find this former D2 player - averaging almost 19 ppg....
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Strus - how did DePaul find this former D2 player - averaging almost 19 ppg....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/daily-southtown/sports/ct-sta-mens-basketball-depaul-max-strus-st-0424-20160422-story.html
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Strus - how did DePaul find this former D2 player - averaging almost 19 ppg....
Um, they looked. ;)
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If they show the same effort they did in the last 2 games, then this is a double digit victory.
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We pull this one out.
Honestly with only 5 BE players every game will be a tough one for us. All you can ask for is the effort of last 2. The worry is if you keep losing will the effort remain?
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We pull this one out.
Honestly with only 5 BE players every game will be a tough one for us. All you can ask for is the effort of last 2. The worry is if you keep losing will the effort remain?
Lose this game, there is no recovery
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These next too are pretty big. :tickedoff:
I will not shall not can not believe we're the worst team in the league:
Gun violence capital of America - 68
Gun violence and homicide numbers way down - 69
I stand corrected. We are the worst team in the league.
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These next too are pretty big. :tickedoff:
I will not shall not can not believe we're the worst team in the league:
Gun violence capital of America - 68
Gun violence and homicide numbers way down - 69
I stand corrected. We are the worst team in the league.
Last honest man on the planet. :)
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Let's use this for @DePaul tonight, we are about a 1.5 pt favorite. Can't stop now, no time for a let down. LETS GO!
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88-85 Johnnies in a war
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Get up by double digits early. Hold them off late. Yakwe contributes.
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Johnnies by 14.
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Let's use this for @DePaul tonight, we are about a 1.5 pt favorite. Can't stop now, no time for a let down. LETS GO!
No way I would have believed that we would be favored tonight. For the first time since providence, I expect to win and would be disappointed if we lost.
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Ahmed contracted Ellison disease at the line
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what is chris mullin doing
TO should have been at 6-0
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Let's use this for @DePaul tonight, we are about a 1.5 pt favorite. Can't stop now, no time for a let down. LETS GO!
No way I would have believed that we would be favored tonight. For the first time since providence, I expect to win and would be disappointed if we lost.
The last time I expected a win was during the first Georgetown game. I also would be disappointed with a loss tonight.
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Shitty start. Still we could tie the game up. Effort looks to there. Dumb fouls
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Tonight's game look like the last arena where DePaul played.... A mausoleum.
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back to a close game after a rough start
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Ahmed has a crappy, low release.
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Yakwe sighting because of foul trouble. Ahmed still missing free throws.
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Getting mauled on the boards similar to our first game against DePaul.
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not winning loose balls and not hustling
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Tonight's game look like the last arena where DePaul played.... A mausoleum.
Yeah it’s kind of sad . I read on their board that next year will probably be worse. They more then usual season ticklers this year .
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Is anyone else getting server errors a lot more recently? makes it hard to post here
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That was the first time this season Trimble touched the ball on offense inside the 3 point line and hopefully the last time
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Is anyone else getting server errors a lot more recently? makes it hard to post here
Yeah. It should have happened during the losing streak
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Simon cannot finish.
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Tonight's game look like the last arena where DePaul played.... A mausoleum.
Yeah it’s kind of sad . I read on their board that next year will probably be worse. They more then usual season ticklers this year .
They made it smaller too, still no noise or anything.
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seriously did justin simon learn how to make a layup? happens too often
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We gotta tighten up defensively. They're breaking us down.
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Ahmed has a crappy, low release.
Lower than his b-ball IQ mj?
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We gotta tighten up defensively. They're breaking us down.
so many open 3s
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officiating in this game has also been terrible
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That was the first time this season Trimble touched the ball on offense inside the 3 point line and hopefully the last time
Dave posted to please be patient he's working on it in the Nova thread
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What a shitty half. And we are winning
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Ponds has been seriously ballin'!
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ponds doing work to keep them going, otherwise team has been poor
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Bad half, horrible half, down 1. Come out strong and win this game.
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8-3 run to end the half after Simon sat with three was huge. That could have been ugly. We were robbed 5 seconds on that last inbounds. That is inexcusable officiating. We probably have the lead if the clock was correctly set.
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Ahmed has a crappy, low release.
Lower than his b-ball IQ mj?
Awww, man! He has decent skills, but his IQ is so low. He's done some good things during his time at St. John's, but he's a frustrating watch.
By the way, we were screwed at the end of the half. We lost about 4 or 5 seconds, and the clueless refs didn't do anything about it.
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What's the deal with this kid on the DePaul bench that keeps dancing?
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DePaul is just apparently a horrible matchup for us. Infuriating.
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Ahmed is trash tonight.
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DePaul is just apparently a horrible matchup for us. Infuriating.
Can we run these dudes off the 3-point line? Make 'em put it on the floor.
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they are going to go right at Trimble . Hope he is up to it
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Ponds is playing out of his mind.
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Please go back to that high screen from Clark. He'll be open for the three all game.
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What the hell was Ahmed doing the possession before Clark's trey? Really, dude?
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Dumb tech . We can’t afford stupid fouls
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Ahmed is completely lost on both ends tonight
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Scared by the zone. Let's put Simon at the FT line to kick.
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Should have taken Ahmed out instead of Trimble when Owens came back in. Ahmed is having the worst game I've ever seen of anybody and thats only a slight exaggeration
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down 4 at the U4 with the ball. This is winning time gotta pull it out
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Simon missed steal was huge. Can’t have those last five minutes of game. Ugly floater wasn’t helpful either. Could really use a guy to set up ponds.
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simon had such a dreadful runner attempt
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It's hard to win when Simon has had an off game, Ahmed has been terrible and Trimble is a pylon and that's being kind, he's not a player
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Mullin has gotta be willing to go 2-3 now and then.
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That possession was unreal, why is Ponds deferring
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Ahmed has been bad. Trimble is useless.
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Down 2 with the ball, let's go
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Let’s see what they draw up here. Biggest possession of game.
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Mullin has gotta be willing to go 2-3 now and then.
He has a couple times and gave up uncontested layups. They don't know how to play zone. You can blame Mullin for that but right now playing a zone would be suboptimal
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Mullin has gotta be willing to go 2-3 now and then.
He has a couple times and gave up uncontested layups. They don't know how to play zone. You can blame Mullin for that but right now playing a zone would be suboptimal
THis game?
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HHaha good luck keeping ponds out of the league!
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justin simon is so tentative in crunch time
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Ahmed is completely lost on both ends tonight
Easily.
Good defense by us on the previous possession. Big offensive possession here.
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What happens first, dan says something positive or sju goes to the dance?
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ponds is destroying them
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We may have this one!
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I'd give my right testicle for one more year of Ponds with decent players around him
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Ponds is just incredible right now
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Wow what was that? Is the team allergic to hitting the floor for a ball on the ground?
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I'd give my right testicle for one more year of Ponds with decent players around him
Yo aint this the truth
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Free throw time. Not Ahmed or Simon.
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rebounding is a joke
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I'd give my right testicle for one more year of Ponds with decent players around him
It’s not the players around him. It’s the players not around him.
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Damn! Hit your freebies!
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Foul DePaul! Do not allow 'em to get off a 3-point shot!
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Whew! Just hit one of these freebies.
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can't even get on clark, if not for him and ponds depaul blows them out again
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Hit one and head to the hotel!
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I'd give my right testicle for one more year of Ponds with decent players around him
It’s not the players around him. It’s the players not around him.
Agree. Imagine if we had a PG and another foward . That team could win the big east. Those guys would just have to be ok
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well I'm happy about the win.... but man that 3 at the buzzer by DePaul really hurt. ugghhh
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well I'm happy about the win.... but man that 3 at the buzzer by DePaul really hurt. ugghhh
For the betting folks, huh? LOL
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Ponds and Clark won this game, nice work
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Ponds and Clark won this game, nice work
No doubt! Keep the train rollin'!
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well I'm happy about the win.... but man that 3 at the buzzer by DePaul really hurt. ugghhh
For the betting folks, huh? LOL
Woof. Just once I want to be on the right side of one of those
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Ponds was insane. Clark was great. Everyone else was crap but we got the win playing poorly.
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Ahmed has been bad. Trimble is useless.
Aww. They won, are you sad?
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Does anyone know who that kid wearing #2 for us that hit 4-8 from three? WASJU insists that Ponds can't shoot so it couldn't be him.
Are any of you willing to say Ponds is as good as Hatten yet or so we have to keep this charade going?
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Ponds is a straight up killer man. Made the plays when it was time to win the game. Love it.
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well I'm happy about the win.... but man that 3 at the buzzer by DePaul really hurt. ugghhh
You need to call your sponsor now.
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Does anyone know who that kid wearing #2 for us that hit 4-8 from three? WASJU insists that Ponds can't shoot so it couldn't be him.
Are any of you willing to say Ponds is as good as Hatten yet or so we have to keep this charade going?
Hatten has said that Ponds is as good as Hatten.
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Ponds is a straight up killer man. Made the plays when it was time to win the game. Love it.
I'm a bit confused, are you crediting Ponds or Love it? Haven't seen game yet but when a battle for last place falls on Valentine's Day I have no problem with the wife prevailing. Reading box score and posts looks like we got killed on the boards by like 20. Would think if guys like Owens and especially Ahmed who was 1-7 are having off games offensively they would try to contribute in other ways and become an animal on the boards. Hope Ponds can keep up his stellar play as he has been the biggest difference in our losing streak turning into a winning streak. Seem to recall he tweeted don't worry St. John's fans I got this, well he has really lived up to his word.
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Ponds is a straight up killer man. Made the plays when it was time to win the game. Love it.
I'm a bit confused, are you crediting Ponds or Love it? Haven't seen game yet but when a battle for last place falls on Valentine's Day I have no problem with the wife prevailing. Reading box score and posts looks like we got killed on the boards by like 20. Would think if guys like Owens and especially Ahmed who was 1-7 are having off games offensively they would try to contribute in other ways and become an animal on the boards. Hope Ponds can keep up his stellar play as he has been the biggest difference in our losing streak turning into a winning streak. Seem to recall he tweeted don't worry St. John's fans I got this, well he has really lived up to his word.
Owens, Simon, and Ahmed were crap. Ponds still won us the game. Clark made some big shots but they were all setup beautifully by Ponds. This was as close to a one-man win as you can get in basketball.
His hands are unreal. Anytime you see someone making something happen on a loose ball when the camera doesn't even know where to focus, it's always Ponds. He was going yo and snagging rebounds in traffic too. Goddamn this kid is special.
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well I'm happy about the win.... but man that 3 at the buzzer by DePaul really hurt. ugghhh
You need to call your sponsor now.
Not allowed to have a little extra incentive on a game?
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LOL you mean Lovett and Sid Wilson or Lovett and some type of improvement from Yawke (the biggest enigma of anyone I can remember from their freshman year to junior year).
I'd give my right testicle for one more year of Ponds with decent players around him
It’s not the players around him. It’s the players not around him.
Agree. Imagine if we had a PG and another foward . That team could win the big east. Those guys would just have to be ok
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Ponds a one man band!!
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Ponds a one man band!!
Walden was spectacular once again but didn't do it alone. Hammer and Garfunkel both had good games. Check the box score.
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Ponds is a straight up killer man. Made the plays when it was time to win the game. Love it.
I'm a bit confused, are you crediting Ponds or Love it? Haven't seen game yet but when a battle for last place falls on Valentine's Day I have no problem with the wife prevailing. Reading box score and posts looks like we got killed on the boards by like 20. Would think if guys like Owens and especially Ahmed who was 1-7 are having off games offensively they would try to contribute in other ways and become an animal on the boards. Hope Ponds can keep up his stellar play as he has been the biggest difference in our losing streak turning into a winning streak. Seem to recall he tweeted don't worry St. John's fans I got this, well he has really lived up to his word.
Owens, Simon, and Ahmed were crap. Ponds still won us the game. Clark made some big shots but they were all setup beautifully by Ponds. This was as close to a one-man win as you can get in basketball.
His hands are unreal. Anytime you see someone making something happen on a loose ball when the camera doesn't even know where to focus, it's always Ponds. He was going yo and snagging rebounds in traffic too. Goddamn this kid is special.
Simon had 16 points 3 rebounds 3 assists 6-11 FG 2-2 3pt. Not a spectacular game, but definitely not crap. He was in foul trouble from early on and stuck around. I think he was solid.
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You can tell that while this was a Ponds game he really does need Simon out there with him. Takes some pressure off.
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Ponds is a straight up killer man. Made the plays when it was time to win the game. Love it.
I'm a bit confused, are you crediting Ponds or Love it? Haven't seen game yet but when a battle for last place falls on Valentine's Day I have no problem with the wife prevailing. Reading box score and posts looks like we got killed on the boards by like 20. Would think if guys like Owens and especially Ahmed who was 1-7 are having off games offensively they would try to contribute in other ways and become an animal on the boards. Hope Ponds can keep up his stellar play as he has been the biggest difference in our losing streak turning into a winning streak. Seem to recall he tweeted don't worry St. John's fans I got this, well he has really lived up to his word.
Owens, Simon, and Ahmed were crap. Ponds still won us the game. Clark made some big shots but they were all setup beautifully by Ponds. This was as close to a one-man win as you can get in basketball.
His hands are unreal. Anytime you see someone making something happen on a loose ball when the camera doesn't even know where to focus, it's always Ponds. He was going yo and snagging rebounds in traffic too. Goddamn this kid is special.
Simon had 16 points 3 rebounds 3 assists 6-11 FG 2-2 3pt. Not a spectacular game, but definitely not crap. He was in foul trouble from early on and stuck around. I think he was solid.
Exactly! He missed three layups in the first half, but he surely didn't play like crap. He also ended the game with zero turnovers.
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I also thought Simon did a great job of staying out of foul trouble after picking up those 2 early ones. That third wasn't a foul IMO and then had none in the second half.
Just wish we had any sort of bench....Going to be tough to win with no rest in the BE tournament...
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Did not see the game, but nice to see Clark figuring things out. He's rebounds, we win. Ponds is playing the best ball in the nation right now. Great job by Mullin on this stretch. 1 mire win and above .500
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Owens, Simon, and Ahmed were crap. Ponds still won us the game. Clark made some big shots but they were all setup beautifully by Ponds. This was as close to a one-man win as you can get in basketball.
You need to stop, you sound like an 11 year old girl talking to her diary about Frankie Avalon or who ever the kids are listening to today. He's a good basketball player, he's not dreamy.
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Does anyone know who that kid wearing #2 for us that hit 4-8 from three? WASJU insists that Ponds can't shoot so it couldn't be him.
Are any of you willing to say Ponds is as good as Hatten yet or so we have to keep this charade going?
No
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Owens, Simon, and Ahmed were crap. Ponds still won us the game. Clark made some big shots but they were all setup beautifully by Ponds. This was as close to a one-man win as you can get in basketball.
You need to stop, you sound like an 11 year old girl talking to her diary about Frankie Avalon or who ever the kids are listening to today. He's a good basketball player, he's not dreamy.
I was thinking more like those old clips of the girls screaming and fainting at the airport for the Beatles but yeah I agree with you. Sane Marillac has gone bye bye
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Imagine this team with an Orlando Sanchez or a Jusin Burrell.
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Imagine this team with an Orlando Sanchez or a Jusin Burrell.
I'd take a bought in Darien Williams and under control Malik Ellison.
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Does anyone know who that kid wearing #2 for us that hit 4-8 from three? WASJU insists that Ponds can't shoot so it couldn't be him.
Are any of you willing to say Ponds is as good as Hatten yet or so we have to keep this charade going?
No
Tend to agree. Ponds is a much better shooter, Hatten a much better defender. Passing and rebounding is more or less a wash. Hatten never loss ten games in a row though and the team won 20 games both of his years. OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman. If Ponds stays four years and continues apace he's going to be a top five or six player all time. Because he's really good. If he were leave after this year he'd be remembered as a very good two year player on some pretty bad teams. Mo Harkless territory. As far as two year players go off the top of my head: (1) Berry (2) Hatten (3) Hardy (4) everyone else. Despite the record I'd put Ponds probably slightly ahead of Hardy and nipping at Hatten's heels.
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well I'm happy about the win.... but man that 3 at the buzzer by DePaul really hurt. ugghhh
You need to call your sponsor now.
Not allowed to have a little extra incentive on a game?
you think it hurt you, how do these kids feel..?
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/craziest-tiebreaker-in-sports-history-will-affect-two-new-york-high-school-basketball-teams
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Does anyone know who that kid wearing #2 for us that hit 4-8 from three? WASJU insists that Ponds can't shoot so it couldn't be him.
Are any of you willing to say Ponds is as good as Hatten yet or so we have to keep this charade going?
No
Tend to agree. Ponds is a much better shooter, Hatten a much better defender. Passing and rebounding is more or less a wash. Hatten never loss ten games in a row though and the team won 20 games both of his years. OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman. If Ponds stays four years and continues apace he's going to be a top five or six player all time. Because he's really good. If he were leave after this year he'd be remembered as a very good two year player on some pretty bad teams. Mo Harkless territory. As far as two year players go off the top of my head: (1) Berry (2) Hatten (3) Hardy (4) everyone else. Despite the record I'd put Ponds probably slightly ahead of Hardy and nipping at Hatten's heels.
If Ponds somehow leads them to the tourney this year, all bets are off for me. Then he would move into at least a tie with Hatten. The thing with Hatten is he made the tourney and won the NIT with worse players than Ponds. Even if we finish strong and make NIT Ponds would have played same amount of years with worse guys and not made a tourney. Which for me is the bottom line. And now Mariillac will wax poetic about Grady Reynolds, Willie Shaw and Anthony Glover. None of those guys were better than Simon, Lovett(from last year) or even Clark and Owens.
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Does anyone know who that kid wearing #2 for us that hit 4-8 from three? WASJU insists that Ponds can't shoot so it couldn't be him.
Are any of you willing to say Ponds is as good as Hatten yet or so we have to keep this charade going?
No
Tend to agree. Ponds is a much better shooter, Hatten a much better defender. Passing and rebounding is more or less a wash. Hatten never loss ten games in a row though and the team won 20 games both of his years. OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman. If Ponds stays four years and continues apace he's going to be a top five or six player all time. Because he's really good. If he were leave after this year he'd be remembered as a very good two year player on some pretty bad teams. Mo Harkless territory. As far as two year players go off the top of my head: (1) Berry (2) Hatten (3) Hardy (4) everyone else. Despite the record I'd put Ponds probably slightly ahead of Hardy and nipping at Hatten's heels.
If Ponds somehow leads them to the tourney this year, all bets are off for me. Then he would move into at least a tie with Hatten. The thing with Hatten is he made the tourney and won the NIT with worse players than Ponds. Even if we finish strong and make NIT Ponds would have played same amount of years with worse guys and not made a tourney. Which for me is the bottom line. And now Mariillac will wax poetic about Grady Reynolds, Willie Shaw and Anthony Glover. None of those guys were better than Simon, Lovett(from last year) or even Clark and Owens.
Meant Ponds played with better guys, than Hatten did .I can't modify
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Does anyone know who that kid wearing #2 for us that hit 4-8 from three? WASJU insists that Ponds can't shoot so it couldn't be him.
Are any of you willing to say Ponds is as good as Hatten yet or so we have to keep this charade going?
No
Tend to agree. Ponds is a much better shooter, Hatten a much better defender. Passing and rebounding is more or less a wash. Hatten never loss ten games in a row though and the team won 20 games both of his years. OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman. If Ponds stays four years and continues apace he's going to be a top five or six player all time. Because he's really good. If he were leave after this year he'd be remembered as a very good two year player on some pretty bad teams. Mo Harkless territory. As far as two year players go off the top of my head: (1) Berry (2) Hatten (3) Hardy (4) everyone else. Despite the record I'd put Ponds probably slightly ahead of Hardy and nipping at Hatten's heels.
If Ponds somehow leads them to the tourney this year, all bets are off for me. Then he would move into at least a tie with Hatten. The thing with Hatten is he made the tourney and won the NIT with worse players than Ponds. Even if we finish strong and make NIT Ponds would have played same amount of years with worse guys and not made a tourney. Which for me is the bottom line. And now Mariillac will wax poetic about Grady Reynolds, Willie Shaw and Anthony Glover. None of those guys were better than Simon, Lovett(from last year) or even Clark and Owens.
Shaw was good freshmen year. Thought his potential was really high. Instead he was just really high.
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Does anyone know who that kid wearing #2 for us that hit 4-8 from three? WASJU insists that Ponds can't shoot so it couldn't be him.
Are any of you willing to say Ponds is as good as Hatten yet or so we have to keep this charade going?
No
Tend to agree. Ponds is a much better shooter, Hatten a much better defender. Passing and rebounding is more or less a wash. Hatten never loss ten games in a row though and the team won 20 games both of his years. OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman. If Ponds stays four years and continues apace he's going to be a top five or six player all time. Because he's really good. If he were leave after this year he'd be remembered as a very good two year player on some pretty bad teams. Mo Harkless territory. As far as two year players go off the top of my head: (1) Berry (2) Hatten (3) Hardy (4) everyone else. Despite the record I'd put Ponds probably slightly ahead of Hardy and nipping at Hatten's heels.
If Ponds somehow leads them to the tourney this year, all bets are off for me. Then he would move into at least a tie with Hatten. The thing with Hatten is he made the tourney and won the NIT with worse players than Ponds. Even if we finish strong and make NIT Ponds would have played same amount of years with worse guys and not made a tourney. Which for me is the bottom line. And now Mariillac will wax poetic about Grady Reynolds, Willie Shaw and Anthony Glover. None of those guys were better than Simon, Lovett(from last year) or even Clark and Owens.
Shaw was good freshmen year. Thought his potential was really high. Instead he was just really high.
That was with Cook though. Which weed issue aside probably had a lot to do with Shaw having a good year. Was stupid for him to leave early but I think people forget how good Cook was. He had to be best player and scorer and a team when that really wasn't who he was.
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Does anyone know who that kid wearing #2 for us that hit 4-8 from three? WASJU insists that Ponds can't shoot so it couldn't be him.
Are any of you willing to say Ponds is as good as Hatten yet or so we have to keep this charade going?
No
Tend to agree. Ponds is a much better shooter, Hatten a much better defender. Passing and rebounding is more or less a wash. Hatten never loss ten games in a row though and the team won 20 games both of his years. OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman. If Ponds stays four years and continues apace he's going to be a top five or six player all time. Because he's really good. If he were leave after this year he'd be remembered as a very good two year player on some pretty bad teams. Mo Harkless territory. As far as two year players go off the top of my head: (1) Berry (2) Hatten (3) Hardy (4) everyone else. Despite the record I'd put Ponds probably slightly ahead of Hardy and nipping at Hatten's heels.
If Ponds somehow leads them to the tourney this year, all bets are off for me. Then he would move into at least a tie with Hatten. The thing with Hatten is he made the tourney and won the NIT with worse players than Ponds. Even if we finish strong and make NIT Ponds would have played same amount of years with worse guys and not made a tourney. Which for me is the bottom line. And now Mariillac will wax poetic about Grady Reynolds, Willie Shaw and Anthony Glover. None of those guys were better than Simon, Lovett(from last year) or even Clark and Owens.
Agree except maybe Anthony Glover, very underrated player. Heart of a lion, made some huge shots, won everywhere he went. What I don't understand about this discussion is why you can't think Ponds is great without slamming everybody else so he looks even better.
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Does anyone know who that kid wearing #2 for us that hit 4-8 from three? WASJU insists that Ponds can't shoot so it couldn't be him.
Are any of you willing to say Ponds is as good as Hatten yet or so we have to keep this charade going?
No
Tend to agree. Ponds is a much better shooter, Hatten a much better defender. Passing and rebounding is more or less a wash. Hatten never loss ten games in a row though and the team won 20 games both of his years. OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman. If Ponds stays four years and continues apace he's going to be a top five or six player all time. Because he's really good. If he were leave after this year he'd be remembered as a very good two year player on some pretty bad teams. Mo Harkless territory. As far as two year players go off the top of my head: (1) Berry (2) Hatten (3) Hardy (4) everyone else. Despite the record I'd put Ponds probably slightly ahead of Hardy and nipping at Hatten's heels.
If Ponds somehow leads them to the tourney this year, all bets are off for me. Then he would move into at least a tie with Hatten. The thing with Hatten is he made the tourney and won the NIT with worse players than Ponds. Even if we finish strong and make NIT Ponds would have played same amount of years with worse guys and not made a tourney. Which for me is the bottom line. And now Mariillac will wax poetic about Grady Reynolds, Willie Shaw and Anthony Glover. None of those guys were better than Simon, Lovett(from last year) or even Clark and Owens.
Agree except maybe Anthony Glover, very underrated player. Heart of a lion, made some huge shots, won everywhere he went. What I don't understand about this discussion is why you can't think Ponds is great without slamming everybody else so he looks even better.
It just furthers his narrative. Argument against Ponds being the next Steph Curry is how does the next Steph Curry not make an NCAA tourney. Has to make it look like Ponds is all by himself.
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Comparing Ponds to other "2 year players" you have to realize his 2 years are Frosh and Soph--not Jr. and Sr. after JUCO. Last night he surpassed Chris' first 2 year total points in 4 less games (yes Chris did not get benefit of 3 point shot). He already is the leading Freshman scorer in team history and baring injury should become out leading Soph scorer. Thus when comparing him to others please also consider the chronological age when making comparisons. The young man is a wonderful player and a pleasure to watch as long as he is here.
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Does anyone know who that kid wearing #2 for us that hit 4-8 from three? WASJU insists that Ponds can't shoot so it couldn't be him.
Are any of you willing to say Ponds is as good as Hatten yet or so we have to keep this charade going?
No
Tend to agree. Ponds is a much better shooter, Hatten a much better defender. Passing and rebounding is more or less a wash. Hatten never loss ten games in a row though and the team won 20 games both of his years. OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman. If Ponds stays four years and continues apace he's going to be a top five or six player all time. Because he's really good. If he were leave after this year he'd be remembered as a very good two year player on some pretty bad teams. Mo Harkless territory. As far as two year players go off the top of my head: (1) Berry (2) Hatten (3) Hardy (4) everyone else. Despite the record I'd put Ponds probably slightly ahead of Hardy and nipping at Hatten's heels.
If Ponds somehow leads them to the tourney this year, all bets are off for me. Then he would move into at least a tie with Hatten. The thing with Hatten is he made the tourney and won the NIT with worse players than Ponds. Even if we finish strong and make NIT Ponds would have played same amount of years with worse guys and not made a tourney. Which for me is the bottom line. And now Mariillac will wax poetic about Grady Reynolds, Willie Shaw and Anthony Glover. None of those guys were better than Simon, Lovett(from last year) or even Clark and Owens.
Shaw was good freshmen year. Thought his potential was really high. Instead he was just really high.
That was with Cook though. Which weed issue aside probably had a lot to do with Shaw having a good year. Was stupid for him to leave early but I think people forget how good Cook was. He had to be best player and scorer and a team when that really wasn't who he was.
Hey are you saying Hatten didn’t make the players around him better 😉
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Comparing Ponds to other "2 year players" you have to realize his 2 years are Frosh and Soph--not Jr. and Sr. after JUCO. Last night he surpassed Chris' first 2 year total points in 4 less games (yes Chris did not get benefit of 3 point shot). He already is the leading Freshman scorer in team history and baring injury should become out leading Soph scorer. Thus when comparing him to others please also consider the chronological age when making comparisons. The young man is a wonderful player and a pleasure to watch as long as he is here.
Sorry, I thought I mentioned that. Oh wait I did: "OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman."
Comparing Ponds to Hatten - IM not at all HO one of the best half dozen St John's players I've ever seen - isn't negative. It's high praise. He's great, nobody's saying he isn't. If he stays four years he's going to be the player all subsequent players get compared to. He's just not that player yet.
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St John's DePaul recap http://www.bigeastboards.com/
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Comparing Ponds to other "2 year players" you have to realize his 2 years are Frosh and Soph--not Jr. and Sr. after JUCO. Last night he surpassed Chris' first 2 year total points in 4 less games (yes Chris did not get benefit of 3 point shot). He already is the leading Freshman scorer in team history and baring injury should become out leading Soph scorer. Thus when comparing him to others please also consider the chronological age when making comparisons. The young man is a wonderful player and a pleasure to watch as long as he is here.
Sorry, I thought I mentioned that. Oh wait I did: "OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman."
Comparing Ponds to Hatten - IM not at all HO one of the best half dozen St John's players I've ever seen - isn't negative. It's high praise. He's great, nobody's saying he isn't. If he stays four years he's going to be the player all subsequent players get compared to. He's just not that player yet.
Not there yet as a player? Or not there yet there in terms of accomplishments? I doubt we’ll see a better five game stretch than this even if he stays two more years.
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well I'm happy about the win.... but man that 3 at the buzzer by DePaul really hurt. ugghhh
You need to call your sponsor now.
Not allowed to have a little extra incentive on a game?
you think it hurt you, how do these kids feel..?
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/craziest-tiebreaker-in-sports-history-will-affect-two-new-york-high-school-basketball-teams
It was a tiebreaker for 1st place in a diocesan tournament, not the city playoffs. That really had little impact and something important wouldn't be decided that way. It's almost a lock those two teams will meet in the championship game anyway
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Posting on here is like golfing in Florida. Every couple minutes you see a Gator.
BTW no matter how much I golf down South I will never get used to Alligators just being allowed to roam around.
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Comparing Ponds to other "2 year players" you have to realize his 2 years are Frosh and Soph--not Jr. and Sr. after JUCO. Last night he surpassed Chris' first 2 year total points in 4 less games (yes Chris did not get benefit of 3 point shot). He already is the leading Freshman scorer in team history and baring injury should become out leading Soph scorer. Thus when comparing him to others please also consider the chronological age when making comparisons. The young man is a wonderful player and a pleasure to watch as long as he is here.
Sorry, I thought I mentioned that. Oh wait I did: "OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman."
Comparing Ponds to Hatten - IM not at all HO one of the best half dozen St John's players I've ever seen - isn't negative. It's high praise. He's great, nobody's saying he isn't. If he stays four years he's going to be the player all subsequent players get compared to. He's just not that player yet.
Not there yet as a player? Or not there yet there in terms of accomplishments? I doubt we’ll see a better five game stretch than this even if he stays two more years.
Either. It's been a wonderful five games and he's a wonderful player and maybe nobody will top his week. The game before this five he was oh for 12 from the floor. I doubt we'll see that either and anyway neither is a useful benchmark. I'm talking about the body of his work, his career. Mullin and Berry were more impactful - Boo Harvey was more impactful - and I can't remember one game they played much less how they did in any particular five game stretch. I don't understand the hurry to anoint him as the GOAT.
In 1972 Nate Colbert hit five home runs on six pitches and drove in 13 runs in a double header. I doubt we'll ever see that again. Nobody compares anybody to Nate Colbert.
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Comparing Ponds to other "2 year players" you have to realize his 2 years are Frosh and Soph--not Jr. and Sr. after JUCO. Last night he surpassed Chris' first 2 year total points in 4 less games (yes Chris did not get benefit of 3 point shot). He already is the leading Freshman scorer in team history and baring injury should become out leading Soph scorer. Thus when comparing him to others please also consider the chronological age when making comparisons. The young man is a wonderful player and a pleasure to watch as long as he is here.
Sorry, I thought I mentioned that. Oh wait I did: "OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman."
Comparing Ponds to Hatten - IM not at all HO one of the best half dozen St John's players I've ever seen - isn't negative. It's high praise. He's great, nobody's saying he isn't. If he stays four years he's going to be the player all subsequent players get compared to. He's just not that player yet.
Not there yet as a player? Or not there yet there in terms of accomplishments? I doubt we’ll see a better five game stretch than this even if he stays two more years.
Either. It's been a wonderful five games and he's a wonderful player and maybe nobody will top his week. The game before this five he was oh for 12 from the floor. I doubt we'll see that either and anyway neither is a useful benchmark. I'm talking about the body of his work, his career. Mullin and Berry were more impactful - Boo Harvey was more impactful - and I can't remember one game they played much less how they did in any particular five game stretch. I don't understand the hurry to anoint him as the GOAT.
In 1972 Nate Colbert hit five home runs on six pitches and drove in 13 runs in a double header. I doubt we'll ever see that again. Nobody compares anybody to Nate Colbert.
I agree but have Hatten slightly lower in my ratings then you do. As far as Harvey goes didn't he hit like 3 game winners his Senior Year? And I think he scored 40 against Seton Hall that year.
Here is a good one for you. Who had better ST John's career, Felipe Lopez or Harrison?
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Comparing Ponds to other "2 year players" you have to realize his 2 years are Frosh and Soph--not Jr. and Sr. after JUCO. Last night he surpassed Chris' first 2 year total points in 4 less games (yes Chris did not get benefit of 3 point shot). He already is the leading Freshman scorer in team history and baring injury should become out leading Soph scorer. Thus when comparing him to others please also consider the chronological age when making comparisons. The young man is a wonderful player and a pleasure to watch as long as he is here.
Sorry, I thought I mentioned that. Oh wait I did: "OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman."
Comparing Ponds to Hatten - IM not at all HO one of the best half dozen St John's players I've ever seen - isn't negative. It's high praise. He's great, nobody's saying he isn't. If he stays four years he's going to be the player all subsequent players get compared to. He's just not that player yet.
Not there yet as a player? Or not there yet there in terms of accomplishments? I doubt we’ll see a better five game stretch than this even if he stays two more years.
Either. It's been a wonderful five games and he's a wonderful player and maybe nobody will top his week. The game before this five he was oh for 12 from the floor. I doubt we'll see that either and anyway neither is a useful benchmark. I'm talking about the body of his work, his career. Mullin and Berry were more impactful - Boo Harvey was more impactful - and I can't remember one game they played much less how they did in any particular five game stretch. I don't understand the hurry to anoint him as the GOAT.
In 1972 Nate Colbert hit five home runs on six pitches and drove in 13 runs in a double header. I doubt we'll ever see that again. Nobody compares anybody to Nate Colbert.
All that is fair. I’m talking about if you take away the wins, the games played, the tourney appearances. Just strictly who is a better basketball player. The old eye test. I’m taking ponds over hardy without a question. And I’m probably taking him over Hatten.
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Comparing Ponds to other "2 year players" you have to realize his 2 years are Frosh and Soph--not Jr. and Sr. after JUCO. Last night he surpassed Chris' first 2 year total points in 4 less games (yes Chris did not get benefit of 3 point shot). He already is the leading Freshman scorer in team history and baring injury should become out leading Soph scorer. Thus when comparing him to others please also consider the chronological age when making comparisons. The young man is a wonderful player and a pleasure to watch as long as he is here.
Sorry, I thought I mentioned that. Oh wait I did: "OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman."
Comparing Ponds to Hatten - IM not at all HO one of the best half dozen St John's players I've ever seen - isn't negative. It's high praise. He's great, nobody's saying he isn't. If he stays four years he's going to be the player all subsequent players get compared to. He's just not that player yet.
Not there yet as a player? Or not there yet there in terms of accomplishments? I doubt we’ll see a better five game stretch than this even if he stays two more years.
Either. It's been a wonderful five games and he's a wonderful player and maybe nobody will top his week. The game before this five he was oh for 12 from the floor. I doubt we'll see that either and anyway neither is a useful benchmark. I'm talking about the body of his work, his career. Mullin and Berry were more impactful - Boo Harvey was more impactful - and I can't remember one game they played much less how they did in any particular five game stretch. I don't understand the hurry to anoint him as the GOAT.
In 1972 Nate Colbert hit five home runs on six pitches and drove in 13 runs in a double header. I doubt we'll ever see that again. Nobody compares anybody to Nate Colbert.
I agree but have Hatten slightly lower in my ratings then you do. As far as Harvey goes didn't he hit like 3 game winners his Senior Year? And I think he scored 40 against Seton Hall that year.
Here is a good one for you. Who had better ST John's career, Felipe Lopez or Harrison?
Harrison, with no hesitation.
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And I’m probably taking him over Hatten.
That's because you're young and in love.
Pick one of these guys
22 pts /5 reb /5 ass /3 st /44% FG /30 % three / 75 % FT
versus
21 pts /4 reb /3 ass /2 st /42 % FG /26 % three / 85 % FT
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And I’m probably taking him over Hatten.
That's because you're young and in love.
Pick one of these guys
22 pts /5 reb /5 ass /3 st /44% FG /30 % three / 75 % FT
versus
21 pts /4 reb /3 ass /2 st /42 % FG /26 % three / 85 % FT
Like I said, eye test. Regardless, neither of those are Ponds career or season stats so not sure the point.
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Comparing Ponds to other "2 year players" you have to realize his 2 years are Frosh and Soph--not Jr. and Sr. after JUCO. Last night he surpassed Chris' first 2 year total points in 4 less games (yes Chris did not get benefit of 3 point shot). He already is the leading Freshman scorer in team history and baring injury should become out leading Soph scorer. Thus when comparing him to others please also consider the chronological age when making comparisons. The young man is a wonderful player and a pleasure to watch as long as he is here.
Sorry, I thought I mentioned that. Oh wait I did: "OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman."
Comparing Ponds to Hatten - IM not at all HO one of the best half dozen St John's players I've ever seen - isn't negative. It's high praise. He's great, nobody's saying he isn't. If he stays four years he's going to be the player all subsequent players get compared to. He's just not that player yet.
Not there yet as a player? Or not there yet there in terms of accomplishments? I doubt we’ll see a better five game stretch than this even if he stays two more years.
Either. It's been a wonderful five games and he's a wonderful player and maybe nobody will top his week. The game before this five he was oh for 12 from the floor. I doubt we'll see that either and anyway neither is a useful benchmark. I'm talking about the body of his work, his career. Mullin and Berry were more impactful - Boo Harvey was more impactful - and I can't remember one game they played much less how they did in any particular five game stretch. I don't understand the hurry to anoint him as the GOAT.
In 1972 Nate Colbert hit five home runs on six pitches and drove in 13 runs in a double header. I doubt we'll ever see that again. Nobody compares anybody to Nate Colbert.
I agree but have Hatten slightly lower in my ratings then you do. As far as Harvey goes didn't he hit like 3 game winners his Senior Year? And I think he scored 40 against Seton Hall that year.
Here is a good one for you. Who had better ST John's career, Felipe Lopez or Harrison?
Harrison, with no hesitation.
Taking away the hype factor I think I would go with Lopez. I know it was not what we were expecting but I think he was a better player for us.
BTW started reading Blood Meridian. So far so good but for me does not compare to Lonesome Dove. Different kind of books and authors. LD was more character driven which is more my preference. LD, Blood Meridian, True Grit and The Virginian are usually listed in some order as the best Western books.
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And I’m probably taking him over Hatten.
That's because you're young and in love.
Pick one of these guys
22 pts /5 reb /5 ass /3 st /44% FG /30 % three / 75 % FT
versus
21 pts /4 reb /3 ass /2 st /42 % FG /26 % three / 85 % FT
Like I said, eye test. Regardless, neither of those are Ponds career or season stats so not sure the point.
I know you never saw him play but at this point I think you have Ponds over Mullin
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And I’m probably taking him over Hatten.
That's because you're young and in love.
Pick one of these guys
22 pts /5 reb /5 ass /3 st /44% FG /30 % three / 75 % FT
versus
21 pts /4 reb /3 ass /2 st /42 % FG /26 % three / 85 % FT
Like I said, eye test. Regardless, neither of those are Ponds career or season stats so not sure the point.
I know you never saw him play but at this point I think you have Ponds over Mullin
Lol no. Thank god for youtube. But you saw him play and didn’t think he had a great looking jumper? Starting to wonder about your opinion on jump shooting form.
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And I’m probably taking him over Hatten.
That's because you're young and in love.
Pick one of these guys
22 pts /5 reb /5 ass /3 st /44% FG /30 % three / 75 % FT
versus
21 pts /4 reb /3 ass /2 st /42 % FG /26 % three / 85 % FT
Like I said, eye test. Regardless, neither of those are Ponds career or season stats so not sure the point.
Those are Ponds stats for this year (which according to you is the bench mark for all future generations) according to sports reference dot com and the point is that Hatten had better numbers across the board his best year.
There's no point in arguing the eye test. It's like arguing whether you like gin better than vodka or Beethoven better than Mozart. You like what you like. You like Ponds and nothing will dissuade you from your preference. Fine. Discussion over.
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And I’m probably taking him over Hatten.
That's because you're young and in love.
Pick one of these guys
22 pts /5 reb /5 ass /3 st /44% FG /30 % three / 75 % FT
versus
21 pts /4 reb /3 ass /2 st /42 % FG /26 % three / 85 % FT
Like I said, eye test. Regardless, neither of those are Ponds career or season stats so not sure the point.
I know you never saw him play but at this point I think you have Ponds over Mullin
Lol no. Thank god for youtube. But you saw him play and didn’t think he had a great looking jumper? Starting to wonder about your opinion on jump shooting form.
Mullin is best jump shooter I have ever seen. It wasn't classic shot like say Allan Houston or Klay Thompson. It was sort of a snap shot. He shot it the same way every time and I was confused when he missed. You sure you are not confusing something I posted about BERRY? Who is my all time favorite basketball player.
Larry Wright had a really nice looking jumper. Do you really think I think he shot better than Mullin?
Two separate things. I like to breakdown jumpshots and hitters swings.
Ponds has a nice touch. He just has way to many moving parts. Especially when his feet are set. I think he could clean it up and but I don't think he will ever be a high % shooter.
I really like Simon. His shot is a hot mess. I am surprised when his shot goes in. I can like a guys game but still look at it objectively.
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Comparing Ponds to other "2 year players" you have to realize his 2 years are Frosh and Soph--not Jr. and Sr. after JUCO. Last night he surpassed Chris' first 2 year total points in 4 less games (yes Chris did not get benefit of 3 point shot). He already is the leading Freshman scorer in team history and baring injury should become out leading Soph scorer. Thus when comparing him to others please also consider the chronological age when making comparisons. The young man is a wonderful player and a pleasure to watch as long as he is here.
Sorry, I thought I mentioned that. Oh wait I did: "OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman."
Comparing Ponds to Hatten - IM not at all HO one of the best half dozen St John's players I've ever seen - isn't negative. It's high praise. He's great, nobody's saying he isn't. If he stays four years he's going to be the player all subsequent players get compared to. He's just not that player yet.
Not there yet as a player? Or not there yet there in terms of accomplishments? I doubt we’ll see a better five game stretch than this even if he stays two more years.
Either. It's been a wonderful five games and he's a wonderful player and maybe nobody will top his week. The game before this five he was oh for 12 from the floor. I doubt we'll see that either and anyway neither is a useful benchmark. I'm talking about the body of his work, his career. Mullin and Berry were more impactful - Boo Harvey was more impactful - and I can't remember one game they played much less how they did in any particular five game stretch. I don't understand the hurry to anoint him as the GOAT.
In 1972 Nate Colbert hit five home runs on six pitches and drove in 13 runs in a double header. I doubt we'll ever see that again. Nobody compares anybody to Nate Colbert.
I agree but have Hatten slightly lower in my ratings then you do. As far as Harvey goes didn't he hit like 3 game winners his Senior Year? And I think he scored 40 against Seton Hall that year.
Here is a good one for you. Who had better ST John's career, Felipe Lopez or Harrison?
Harrison, with no hesitation.
Taking away the hype factor I think I would go with Lopez. I know it was not what we were expecting but I think he was a better player for us.
BTW started reading Blood Meridian. So far so good but for me does not compare to Lonesome Dove. Different kind of books and authors. LD was more character driven which is more my preference. LD, Blood Meridian, True Grit and The Virginian are usually listed in some order as the best Western books.
I can't dismiss the hype. If I saw Harrison on a trampoline in front of a Houston skyline before he game here I'd have a whole different opinion of his career.
BM Is just so savage and nihilistic, it makes No Country for Old Men look like Mary Poppins. True Grit is really good, I just read it recently. I don't know who's list that is but Little Big Man should be on it, it's on my list of desert island books.
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And I’m probably taking him over Hatten.
That's because you're young and in love.
Pick one of these guys
22 pts /5 reb /5 ass /3 st /44% FG /30 % three / 75 % FT
versus
21 pts /4 reb /3 ass /2 st /42 % FG /26 % three / 85 % FT
Like I said, eye test. Regardless, neither of those are Ponds career or season stats so not sure the point.
Those are Ponds stats for this year (which according to you is the bench mark for all future generations) according to sports reference dot com and the point is that Hatten had better numbers across the board his best year.
There's no point in arguing the eye test. It's like arguing whether you like gin better than vodka or Beethoven better than Mozart. You like what you like. You like Ponds and nothing will dissuade you from your preference. Fine. Discussion over.
Choosing Hatten is fine. But if your gonna bring stats to prove your point just bring the right stats.
Ponds this year:
22 pts / 5 rbs/ 5 asts / 2.5 stls/ .43 fg/ .26 3gf / .84 ft
Neither of the ones you listed are that.
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Comparing Ponds to other "2 year players" you have to realize his 2 years are Frosh and Soph--not Jr. and Sr. after JUCO. Last night he surpassed Chris' first 2 year total points in 4 less games (yes Chris did not get benefit of 3 point shot). He already is the leading Freshman scorer in team history and baring injury should become out leading Soph scorer. Thus when comparing him to others please also consider the chronological age when making comparisons. The young man is a wonderful player and a pleasure to watch as long as he is here.
Sorry, I thought I mentioned that. Oh wait I did: "OTOH Ponds is a sophomore whereas Hatten was an upperclassman."
Comparing Ponds to Hatten - IM not at all HO one of the best half dozen St John's players I've ever seen - isn't negative. It's high praise. He's great, nobody's saying he isn't. If he stays four years he's going to be the player all subsequent players get compared to. He's just not that player yet.
Not there yet as a player? Or not there yet there in terms of accomplishments? I doubt we’ll see a better five game stretch than this even if he stays two more years.
Either. It's been a wonderful five games and he's a wonderful player and maybe nobody will top his week. The game before this five he was oh for 12 from the floor. I doubt we'll see that either and anyway neither is a useful benchmark. I'm talking about the body of his work, his career. Mullin and Berry were more impactful - Boo Harvey was more impactful - and I can't remember one game they played much less how they did in any particular five game stretch. I don't understand the hurry to anoint him as the GOAT.
In 1972 Nate Colbert hit five home runs on six pitches and drove in 13 runs in a double header. I doubt we'll ever see that again. Nobody compares anybody to Nate Colbert.
I agree but have Hatten slightly lower in my ratings then you do. As far as Harvey goes didn't he hit like 3 game winners his Senior Year? And I think he scored 40 against Seton Hall that year.
Here is a good one for you. Who had better ST John's career, Felipe Lopez or Harrison?
Harrison, with no hesitation.
Taking away the hype factor I think I would go with Lopez. I know it was not what we were expecting but I think he was a better player for us.
BTW started reading Blood Meridian. So far so good but for me does not compare to Lonesome Dove. Different kind of books and authors. LD was more character driven which is more my preference. LD, Blood Meridian, True Grit and The Virginian are usually listed in some order as the best Western books.
I can't dismiss the hype. If I saw Harrison on a trampoline in front of a Houston skyline before he game here I'd have a whole different opinion of his career.
BM Is just so savage and nihilistic, it makes No Country for Old Men look like Mary Poppins. True Grit is really good, I just read it recently. I don't know who's list that is but Little Big Man should be on it, it's on my list of desert island books.
Fair enough about Lopez
If you google best Western novels same books are listed in some order. Never read Virginian but that always pops up.
If you liked True Grit def give Lonesome Dove another shot. I think it is like 1200 pages and have read it at least 3 times.
If you do like it just never ever read any of the sequel books.
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And I’m probably taking him over Hatten.
That's because you're young and in love.
Pick one of these guys
22 pts /5 reb /5 ass /3 st /44% FG /30 % three / 75 % FT
versus
21 pts /4 reb /3 ass /2 st /42 % FG /26 % three / 85 % FT
Like I said, eye test. Regardless, neither of those are Ponds career or season stats so not sure the point.
I know you never saw him play but at this point I think you have Ponds over Mullin
Lol no. Thank god for youtube. But you saw him play and didn’t think he had a great looking jumper? Starting to wonder about your opinion on jump shooting form.
Mullin is best jump shooter I have ever seen. It wasn't classic shot like say Allan Houston or Klay Thompson. It was sort of a snap shot. He shot it the same way every time and I was confused when he missed. You sure you are not confusing something I posted about BERRY? Who is my all time favorite basketball player.
Larry Wright had a really nice looking jumper. Do you really think I think he shot better than Mullin?
Two separate things. I like to breakdown jumpshots and hitters swings.
Ponds has a nice touch. He just has way to many moving parts. Especially when his feet are set. I think he could clean it up and but I don't think he will ever be a high % shooter.
I really like Simon. His shot is a hot mess. I am surprised when his shot goes in. I can like a guys game but still look at it objectively.
Here’s what you said.
“This should make all the Harrison fans happy but Mullin's jumper wasn't that pretty. Now he shot great and he is my 2nd favorite SJU player of all time. But honestly he shot a "flick" shot with all wrist. It is the reason he was not a particulary great Pro three point shooter.”
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And I’m probably taking him over Hatten.
That's because you're young and in love.
Pick one of these guys
22 pts /5 reb /5 ass /3 st /44% FG /30 % three / 75 % FT
versus
21 pts /4 reb /3 ass /2 st /42 % FG /26 % three / 85 % FT
Like I said, eye test. Regardless, neither of those are Ponds career or season stats so not sure the point.
I know you never saw him play but at this point I think you have Ponds over Mullin
Lol no. Thank god for youtube. But you saw him play and didn’t think he had a great looking jumper? Starting to wonder about your opinion on jump shooting form.
Mullin is best jump shooter I have ever seen. It wasn't classic shot like say Allan Houston or Klay Thompson. It was sort of a snap shot. He shot it the same way every time and I was confused when he missed. You sure you are not confusing something I posted about BERRY? Who is my all time favorite basketball player.
Larry Wright had a really nice looking jumper. Do you really think I think he shot better than Mullin?
Two separate things. I like to breakdown jumpshots and hitters swings.
Ponds has a nice touch. He just has way to many moving parts. Especially when his feet are set. I think he could clean it up and but I don't think he will ever be a high % shooter.
I really like Simon. His shot is a hot mess. I am surprised when his shot goes in. I can like a guys game but still look at it objectively.
Here’s what you said.
“This should make all the Harrison fans happy but Mullin's jumper wasn't that pretty. Now he shot great and he is my 2nd favorite SJU player of all time. But honestly he shot a "flick" shot with all wrist. It is the reason he was not a particulary great Pro three point shooter.”
Yeah that sounds right. 'Not that pretty". Difference is it was technically sound and he shot the same shot every time.
Forgot about getting flak for Harrison's push shot.
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I have no problem with someone choosing Hatten, but I 100% believe Ponds beats that mediocre 18-12 Wisconsin team if he had Hatten's guys.
We outrebounded Wisconsin on both sides of the ball and 30-25 overall (we were ranked #10 in the entire country in offensive rebounding). Our starting front court scored 38 pts on 10-18 shooting 14-16 from the line (wow), 4-10 from three, and four assists. Ponds has to find ways to win games with 20-rebound deficits like last night.
Hatten was bad. 12-33 from the field, only 1-3 from the line, 3-13 from three, and only 1 assist.
Glover and King were two of the top four offensive rebounders I've seen in my time (with Postell and Grant) and Fordham wasn't far behind.
That team had three other ball handlers in Andre Stanley, Sharif Fordham, and Tristan Smith to take pressure off Hatten. I think Tristan Smith, even though he wasn't that good, would be 20 minutes per game on this team.
Hatten's junior stats:
38% from the field, 28% from three, 72% from the line, 3.7 turnovers, 5.3 rebounds, 4.5 assists, 20.1 points.
Ponds sophomore stats:
42% from the field, 26% (and rising) from three, 84% from the line, 2.7 turnovers, 5.1 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 21.6 points.
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Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
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Let's also not forget that Donald Emanuel played 31 games for a team that was a shot away from the Final Four in 98-99 and then 33 games for a team that won the old Big East in 99-00 where he and Glover were our only two front court players. They played every minute of the center position well enough to get to lose to an eventual elite 8 team, Gonzaga. Glover was a 5-star top 20 recruit and he went averaged 14 and 6 on 91.7% shooting in the 2001 NCAA tournament.
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Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
This is the typical St. John's fan reaction. Sharif Fordham was as an exceptional glue guy. Stanley to a lesser degree. Smith was just a pure PG with a decent shot that can give backup minutes. You can win with guys like that if you have a Ponds or Hatten. Not everyone has to be a star or a super athlete.
We are surviving now by having Simon taking the load of Ponds just enough to allow ponds to conserve his energy to win the second half. Ponds would really benefit from any one of those
Guys.
Our new PG recruiting strategy should be to send WASJU out to find the one guy he hates most and sign him to be our backup. Your crazy if you think Stanley and Fordham wouldn't have take all of Trimble's minutes.
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Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
This is the typical St. John's fan reaction. Sharif Fordham was as an exceptional glue guy. Stanley to a lesser degree. Smith was just a pure PG with a decent shot that can give backup minutes. You can win with guys like that if you have a Ponds or Hatten. Not everyone has to be a star or a super athlete.
We are surviving now by having Simon taking the load of Ponds just enough to allow ponds to conserve his energy to win the second half. Ponds would really benefit from any one of those
Guys.
Our new PG recruiting strategy should be to send WASJU out to find the one guy he hates most and sign him to be our backup. Your crazy if you think Stanley and Fordham wouldn't have take all of Trimble's minutes.
Fordham played defense . Andre Staley is freshman Brian Trimble. Tristan smith should have played division 3 football
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Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
This is the typical St. John's fan reaction. Sharif Fordham was as an exceptional glue guy. Stanley to a lesser degree. Smith was just a pure PG with a decent shot that can give backup minutes. You can win with guys like that if you have a Ponds or Hatten. Not everyone has to be a star or a super athlete.
We are surviving now by having Simon taking the load of Ponds just enough to allow ponds to conserve his energy to win the second half. Ponds would really benefit from any one of those
Guys.
Our new PG recruiting strategy should be to send WASJU out to find the one guy he hates most and sign him to be our backup. Your crazy if you think Stanley and Fordham wouldn't have take all of Trimble's minutes.
Fordham played defense . Andre Staley is freshman Brian Trimble. Tristan smith should have played division 3 football
Trimble just shoots jumpers and Andre Stanley only tried to get in the lane. They are nothing alike. Stanley would help this current team more....better defender and better ball handler. I'd be inclined to take Trimble over him long term.
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Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
This is the typical St. John's fan reaction. Sharif Fordham was as an exceptional glue guy. Stanley to a lesser degree. Smith was just a pure PG with a decent shot that can give backup minutes. You can win with guys like that if you have a Ponds or Hatten. Not everyone has to be a star or a super athlete.
We are surviving now by having Simon taking the load of Ponds just enough to allow ponds to conserve his energy to win the second half. Ponds would really benefit from any one of those
Guys.
Our new PG recruiting strategy should be to send WASJU out to find the one guy he hates most and sign him to be our backup. Your crazy if you think Stanley and Fordham wouldn't have take all of Trimble's minutes.
Fordham played defense . Andre Staley is freshman Brian Trimble. Tristan smith should have played division 3 football
Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
Took 3902 posts but we agree
See Marillac. You have gone so far off the reservation I am agreeing with Tony.
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I have no problem with someone choosing Hatten, but I 100% believe Ponds beats that mediocre 18-12 Wisconsin team if he had Hatten's guys.
We outrebounded Wisconsin on both sides of the ball and 30-25 overall (we were ranked #10 in the entire country in offensive rebounding). Our starting front court scored 38 pts on 10-18 shooting 14-16 from the line (wow), 4-10 from three, and four assists.
You're silly. Stanley, Glover and King fouled out of the Wisconsin game. Stanley scored 0 points in 20 minutes. Fordham scored 0 points in 20 minutes. Cuffe scored 2 points in 15 minutes. Wisconsin shot 60 percent from three and made 30 of 40 FTs (wow).
Ponds has to find ways to win games with 20-rebound deficits like last night.
Ponds has found a way to lose 10 straight games on his way to a lifetime 28-32 record.
Hatten was bad. 12-33 from the field, only 1-3 from the line, 3-13 from three, and only 1 assist.
Hatten was magic. He carried SJ on his back for two years to two post seasons including a NIT championship. That you feel the need to shit on him is sad.
Glover and King were two of the top four offensive rebounders I've seen in my time (with Postell and Grant) and Fordham wasn't far behind.
Eric King wasn't the top anything anyone has ever seen do anything ever.
That team had three other ball handlers in Andre Stanley, Sharif Fordham, and Tristan Smith to take pressure off Hatten. I think Tristan Smith, even though he wasn't that good, would be 20 minutes per game on this team.
Stanley was a walk on. Fordham was a great on the ball defender and not much else. Smith - who I thought Jarvis ill used - averaged two points in 20 minute a game in the NEC at St Francis. Justin Simon who you shit on is averaging a bit off a triple double in the best basketball conference in the country.
You really need to lie down, I think you're unwell.
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Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
This is the typical St. John's fan reaction. Sharif Fordham was as an exceptional glue guy. Stanley to a lesser degree. Smith was just a pure PG with a decent shot that can give backup minutes. You can win with guys like that if you have a Ponds or Hatten. Not everyone has to be a star or a super athlete.
We are surviving now by having Simon taking the load of Ponds just enough to allow ponds to conserve his energy to win the second half. Ponds would really benefit from any one of those
Guys.
Our new PG recruiting strategy should be to send WASJU out to find the one guy he hates most and sign him to be our backup. Your crazy if you think Stanley and Fordham wouldn't have take all of Trimble's minutes.
Fordham played defense . Andre Staley is freshman Brian Trimble. Tristan smith should have played division 3 football
Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
Took 3902 posts but we agree
See Marillac. You have gone so far off the reservation I am agreeing with Tony.
I'm just happy to see Tony posting again, I was worried he was constipated.
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I have no problem with someone choosing Hatten, but I 100% believe Ponds beats that mediocre 18-12 Wisconsin team if he had Hatten's guys.
We outrebounded Wisconsin on both sides of the ball and 30-25 overall (we were ranked #10 in the entire country in offensive rebounding). Our starting front court scored 38 pts on 10-18 shooting 14-16 from the line (wow), 4-10 from three, and four assists.
You're silly. Stanley, Glover and King fouled out of the Wisconsin game. Stanley scored 0 points in 20 minutes. Fordham scored 0 points in 20 minutes. Cuffe scored 2 points in 15 minutes. Wisconsin shot 60 percent from three and made 30 of 40 FTs (wow).
Ponds has to find ways to win games with 20-rebound deficits like last night.
Ponds has found a way to lose 10 straight games on his way to a lifetime 28-32 record.
Hatten was bad. 12-33 from the field, only 1-3 from the line, 3-13 from three, and only 1 assist.
Hatten was magic. He carried SJ on his back for two years to two post seasons including a NIT championship. That you feel the need to shit on him is sad.
Glover and King were two of the top four offensive rebounders I've seen in my time (with Postell and Grant) and Fordham wasn't far behind.
Eric King wasn't the top anything anyone has ever seen do anything ever.
That team had three other ball handlers in Andre Stanley, Sharif Fordham, and Tristan Smith to take pressure off Hatten. I think Tristan Smith, even though he wasn't that good, would be 20 minutes per game on this team.
Stanley was a walk on. Fordham was a great on the ball defender and not much else. Smith - who I thought Jarvis ill used - averaged two points in 20 minute a game in the NEC at St Francis. Justin Simon who you shit on is averaging a bit off a triple double in the best basketball conference in the country.
You really need to lie down, I think you're unwell.
We would never lose 10 games in a row with a team that played defense and hit the boards as consistent as that team did.
I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
1. Barkley
2. Ponds
3. Hatten
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Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
This is the typical St. John's fan reaction. Sharif Fordham was as an exceptional glue guy. Stanley to a lesser degree. Smith was just a pure PG with a decent shot that can give backup minutes. You can win with guys like that if you have a Ponds or Hatten. Not everyone has to be a star or a super athlete.
We are surviving now by having Simon taking the load of Ponds just enough to allow ponds to conserve his energy to win the second half. Ponds would really benefit from any one of those
Guys.
Our new PG recruiting strategy should be to send WASJU out to find the one guy he hates most and sign him to be our backup. Your crazy if you think Stanley and Fordham wouldn't have take all of Trimble's minutes.
Fordham played defense . Andre Staley is freshman Brian Trimble. Tristan smith should have played division 3 football
Trimble just shoots jumpers and Andre Stanley only tried to get in the lane. They are nothing alike. Stanley would help this current team more....better defender and better ball handler. I'd be inclined to take Trimble over him long term.
+1
Trimble is Ricky Torres. Stanley was a street baller.
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Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
This is the typical St. John's fan reaction. Sharif Fordham was as an exceptional glue guy. Stanley to a lesser degree. Smith was just a pure PG with a decent shot that can give backup minutes. You can win with guys like that if you have a Ponds or Hatten. Not everyone has to be a star or a super athlete.
We are surviving now by having Simon taking the load of Ponds just enough to allow ponds to conserve his energy to win the second half. Ponds would really benefit from any one of those
Guys.
Our new PG recruiting strategy should be to send WASJU out to find the one guy he hates most and sign him to be our backup. Your crazy if you think Stanley and Fordham wouldn't have take all of Trimble's minutes.
Fordham played defense . Andre Staley is freshman Brian Trimble. Tristan smith should have played division 3 football
Trimble just shoots jumpers and Andre Stanley only tried to get in the lane. They are nothing alike. Stanley would help this current team more....better defender and better ball handler. I'd be inclined to take Trimble over him long term.
+1
Trimble is Ricky Torres. Stanley was a street baller.
Trimble is way better than Ricky Torres already.
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I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
You're denigrating his accomplishments to make Ponds look better by comparison.
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I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
You're denigrating his accomplishments to make Ponds look better by comparison.
What would providing the wrong stats for ponds in comparison to Hatten be considered as?
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I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
You're denigrating his accomplishments to make Ponds look better by comparison.
What would providing the wrong stats for ponds in comparison to Hatten be considered as?
If I got the stats wrong I'd call it a mistake. If you think I quoted stats incorrectly on purpose then you're stupider than I take you for and I didn't give you much credit to begin with.
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I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
You're denigrating his accomplishments to make Ponds look better by comparison.
What would providing the wrong stats for ponds in comparison to Hatten be considered as?
If I got the stats wrong I'd call it a mistake. If you think I quoted stats incorrectly on purpose then you're stupider than I take you for and I didn't give you much credit to begin with.
Good just admit you made the mistake next time. Because the mistake you made discredits your “better stats across the board” argument.
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Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
This is the typical St. John's fan reaction. Sharif Fordham was as an exceptional glue guy. Stanley to a lesser degree. Smith was just a pure PG with a decent shot that can give backup minutes. You can win with guys like that if you have a Ponds or Hatten. Not everyone has to be a star or a super athlete.
We are surviving now by having Simon taking the load of Ponds just enough to allow ponds to conserve his energy to win the second half. Ponds would really benefit from any one of those
Guys.
Our new PG recruiting strategy should be to send WASJU out to find the one guy he hates most and sign him to be our backup. Your crazy if you think Stanley and Fordham wouldn't have take all of Trimble's minutes.
Fordham played defense . Andre Staley is freshman Brian Trimble. Tristan smith should have played division 3 football
Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
Took 3902 posts but we agree
See Marillac. You have gone so far off the reservation I am agreeing with Tony.
I'm just happy to see Tony posting again, I was worried he was constipated.
Traveling. At airport toilet as we speak.
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I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
You're denigrating his accomplishments to make Ponds look better by comparison.
What would providing the wrong stats for ponds in comparison to Hatten be considered as?
Here are the stats I go by. And I don't care about the years because basketball has changed and good players don't stick around past Soph year anymore.
Hatten-41-25 / 16-16 BE
1 NCAA appearance and 1 NIT championship
Hardy-38-28 / 18-18 BE
1 NCAA appearance
1 NIT appearance
Harrison 1st two years-30-35 / 14-22 BE
1 NIT appearance
Ponds-28-32 / 10-21
I have Ponds ranked below Hatten and above Hardy and Harrison as a player.
As far as his legacy goes, so far he is more in step with Harrison at this point and well below Hatten and Hardy. If he stays another year he could possibly overtake Hatten in my opinion but if he leaves after this year and only can manage an NIT or worse then years from now when you think back on him, his legacy will be lacking compared to other similar players.
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I love ponds. But he needs to win games. If he leaves after this year and we don’t even make the NIT he is harkless. Hardy>>> ponds. That can change. It hasn’t at 3-11. Plenty of season left. Hopefully atleast another year .
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I love ponds. But he needs to win games. If he leaves after this year and we don’t even make the NIT he is harkless. Hardy>>> ponds. That can change. It hasn’t at 3-11. Plenty of season left. Hopefully atleast another year .
Two solid posts in a row. Change your diet for Lent or something?
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I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
You're denigrating his accomplishments to make Ponds look better by comparison.
What would providing the wrong stats for ponds in comparison to Hatten be considered as?
Here are the stats I go by. And I don't care about the years because basketball has changed and good players don't stick around past Soph year anymore.
Hatten-41-25 / 16-16 BE
1 NCAA appearance and 1 NIT championship
Hardy-38-28 / 18-18 BE
1 NCAA appearance
1 NIT appearance
Harrison 1st two years-30-35 / 14-22 BE
1 NIT appearance
Ponds-28-32 / 10-21
I have Ponds ranked below Hatten and above Hardy and Harrison as a player.
As far as his legacy goes, so far he is more in step with Harrison at this point and well below Hatten and Hardy. If he stays another year he could possibly overtake Hatten in my opinion but if he leaves after this year and only can manage an NIT or worse then years from now when you think back on him, his legacy will be lacking compared to other similar players.
That’s fair dude and like you said it’s how you see it. This discussion was simply as players. I brought up the eye test and Foad dismissed it. So HE brought up their stats for comparison. Problem was the stats were wrong. Simple my mistake would have worked. Instead he doubled down and said where he got the stats from. Problem is that’s where I got the stats from.
Do you put pippen over Lebron?
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I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
You're denigrating his accomplishments to make Ponds look better by comparison.
What would providing the wrong stats for ponds in comparison to Hatten be considered as?
Here are the stats I go by. And I don't care about the years because basketball has changed and good players don't stick around past Soph year anymore.
Hatten-41-25 / 16-16 BE
1 NCAA appearance and 1 NIT championship
Hardy-38-28 / 18-18 BE
1 NCAA appearance
1 NIT appearance
Harrison 1st two years-30-35 / 14-22 BE
1 NIT appearance
Ponds-28-32 / 10-21
I have Ponds ranked below Hatten and above Hardy and Harrison as a player.
As far as his legacy goes, so far he is more in step with Harrison at this point and well below Hatten and Hardy. If he stays another year he could possibly overtake Hatten in my opinion but if he leaves after this year and only can manage an NIT or worse then years from now when you think back on him, his legacy will be lacking compared to other similar players.
That’s fair dude and like you said it’s how you see it. This discussion was simply as players. I brought up the eye test and Foad dismissed it. So HE brought up their stats for comparison. Problem was the stats were wrong. Simple my mistake would have worked. Instead he doubled down and said where he got the stats from. Problem is that’s where I got the stats from.
Do you put pippen over Lebron?
No or Robert Horry over Jordan.
You know the deal. Best player comparison.
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Kobe over Lebron?
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Winning at that level you can use your judgement. I am sure some have Kobe over him. I have Lebron.
If Peyton Manning had won another Super Bowl or two he would have had a case against Brady even if Brady had won more.
Best QB I ever saw was Marino but he isn't even mention as GOAT.
Right now Ponds as best player on his team last two years has not won at all. Obviously not all his fault but again Hatten had comparable if not worse talent.
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Hatten’s talent <<< this team.
Mike Jarvis >>> Chris Mullin . I thought Jarvis was a very good game coach.
Mullin lately has been much improved.
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Kobe over Lebron?
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Winning at that level you can use your judgement. I am sure some have Kobe over him. I have Lebron.
If Peyton Manning had won another Super Bowl or two he would have had a case against Brady even if Brady had won more.
Best QB I ever saw was Marino but he isn't even mention as GOAT.
Right now Ponds as best player on his team last two years has not won at all. Obviously not all his fault but again Hatten had comparable if not worse talent.
Am I wrong in remembering you saying Lovett was best player on team last year?
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Kobe over Lebron?
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Winning at that level you can use your judgement. I am sure some have Kobe over him. I have Lebron.
If Peyton Manning had won another Super Bowl or two he would have had a case against Brady even if Brady had won more.
Best QB I ever saw was Marino but he isn't even mention as GOAT.
Right now Ponds as best player on his team last two years has not won at all. Obviously not all his fault but again Hatten had comparable if not worse talent.
Am I wrong in remembering you saying Lovett was best player on team last year?
Was close. Hardy was not best player his Junior year though he probably should have been.
You are looking for loopholes now. Better than posting outrageous stuff like your tag team partner Marillac I guess.
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Kobe over Lebron?
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Winning at that level you can use your judgement. I am sure some have Kobe over him. I have Lebron.
If Peyton Manning had won another Super Bowl or two he would have had a case against Brady even if Brady had won more.
Best QB I ever saw was Marino but he isn't even mention as GOAT.
Right now Ponds as best player on his team last two years has not won at all. Obviously not all his fault but again Hatten had comparable if not worse talent.
Am I wrong in remembering you saying Lovett was best player on team last year?
Was close. Hardy was not best player his Junior year though he probably should have been.
You are looking for loopholes now. Better than posting outrageous stuff like your tag team partner Marillac I guess.
Don’t make me go look it up now 😉
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Kobe over Lebron?
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Winning at that level you can use your judgement. I am sure some have Kobe over him. I have Lebron.
If Peyton Manning had won another Super Bowl or two he would have had a case against Brady even if Brady had won more.
Best QB I ever saw was Marino but he isn't even mention as GOAT.
Right now Ponds as best player on his team last two years has not won at all. Obviously not all his fault but again Hatten had comparable if not worse talent.
Am I wrong in remembering you saying Lovett was best player on team last year?
Was close. Hardy was not best player his Junior year though he probably should have been.
You are looking for loopholes now. Better than posting outrageous stuff like your tag team partner Marillac I guess.
Marillacnis right. We need a PG. we need another guaed that plays defense. Sharif Fordham not a ball handler would be great here. Malik boothe (not really a big east player ) would be useful on this team.
Need to get yakwe some minutes. Staff needs to figure out how he can play and not kill us. No post ups. We need 10 minutes and 5 fouls of competency.
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I have no problem with someone choosing Hatten, but I 100% believe Ponds beats that mediocre 18-12 Wisconsin team if he had Hatten's guys.
We outrebounded Wisconsin on both sides of the ball and 30-25 overall (we were ranked #10 in the entire country in offensive rebounding). Our starting front court scored 38 pts on 10-18 shooting 14-16 from the line (wow), 4-10 from three, and four assists.
You're silly. Stanley, Glover and King fouled out of the Wisconsin game. Stanley scored 0 points in 20 minutes. Fordham scored 0 points in 20 minutes. Cuffe scored 2 points in 15 minutes. Wisconsin shot 60 percent from three and made 30 of 40 FTs (wow).
Ponds has to find ways to win games with 20-rebound deficits like last night.
Ponds has found a way to lose 10 straight games on his way to a lifetime 28-32 record.
Hatten was bad. 12-33 from the field, only 1-3 from the line, 3-13 from three, and only 1 assist.
Hatten was magic. He carried SJ on his back for two years to two post seasons including a NIT championship. That you feel the need to shit on him is sad.
Glover and King were two of the top four offensive rebounders I've seen in my time (with Postell and Grant) and Fordham wasn't far behind.
Eric King wasn't the top anything anyone has ever seen do anything ever.
That team had three other ball handlers in Andre Stanley, Sharif Fordham, and Tristan Smith to take pressure off Hatten. I think Tristan Smith, even though he wasn't that good, would be 20 minutes per game on this team.
Stanley was a walk on. Fordham was a great on the ball defender and not much else. Smith - who I thought Jarvis ill used - averaged two points in 20 minute a game in the NEC at St Francis. Justin Simon who you shit on is averaging a bit off a triple double in the best basketball conference in the country.
You really need to lie down, I think you're unwell.
We would never lose 10 games in a row with a team that played defense and hit the boards as consistent as that team did.
I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
1. Barkley
2. Ponds
3. Hatten
Not to be confused with Marillac's sexiest basketball player list:
1. Ponds
2. Taurasi
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Kobe over Lebron?
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Winning at that level you can use your judgement. I am sure some have Kobe over him. I have Lebron.
If Peyton Manning had won another Super Bowl or two he would have had a case against Brady even if Brady had won more.
Best QB I ever saw was Marino but he isn't even mention as GOAT.
Right now Ponds as best player on his team last two years has not won at all. Obviously not all his fault but again Hatten had comparable if not worse talent.
Am I wrong in remembering you saying Lovett was best player on team last year?
Was close. Hardy was not best player his Junior year though he probably should have been.
You are looking for loopholes now. Better than posting outrageous stuff like your tag team partner Marillac I guess.
Don’t make me go look it up now 😉
Lovett was good. Ponds was a freshman. At beginning of year Lovett was better player. By end was Ponds. If Lovett played this year Ponds would probably not gone off on this hot streak but we also would not have lost 11 games in a row and would probably have 2 or 3 more wins and would be a better team.
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Kobe over Lebron?
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Winning at that level you can use your judgement. I am sure some have Kobe over him. I have Lebron.
If Peyton Manning had won another Super Bowl or two he would have had a case against Brady even if Brady had won more.
Best QB I ever saw was Marino but he isn't even mention as GOAT.
Right now Ponds as best player on his team last two years has not won at all. Obviously not all his fault but again Hatten had comparable if not worse talent.
Am I wrong in remembering you saying Lovett was best player on team last year?
Was close. Hardy was not best player his Junior year though he probably should have been.
You are looking for loopholes now. Better than posting outrageous stuff like your tag team partner Marillac I guess.
Don’t make me go look it up now 😉
Lovett was good. Ponds was a freshman. At beginning of year Lovett was better player. By end was Ponds. If Lovett played this year Ponds would probably not gone off on this hot streak but we also would not have lost 11 games in a row and would probably have 2 or 3 more wins and would be a better team.
AGREE. would say more than 2-3 wins
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Kobe over Lebron?
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Winning at that level you can use your judgement. I am sure some have Kobe over him. I have Lebron.
If Peyton Manning had won another Super Bowl or two he would have had a case against Brady even if Brady had won more.
Best QB I ever saw was Marino but he isn't even mention as GOAT.
Right now Ponds as best player on his team last two years has not won at all. Obviously not all his fault but again Hatten had comparable if not worse talent.
Am I wrong in remembering you saying Lovett was best player on team last year?
Was close. Hardy was not best player his Junior year though he probably should have been.
You are looking for loopholes now. Better than posting outrageous stuff like your tag team partner Marillac I guess.
Don’t make me go look it up now 😉
Lovett was good. Ponds was a freshman. At beginning of year Lovett was better player. By end was Ponds. If Lovett played this year Ponds would probably not gone off on this hot streak but we also would not have lost 11 games in a row and would probably have 2 or 3 more wins and would be a better team.
AGREE. would say more than 2-3 wins
Hard to say because we won last 4 with Ponds going nuts. Does he go nuts with Lovett there? Going nuts now out of necessity. I think it took him awhile to get comfortable doing that. If Ponds does not play the way he has would we have beaten Duke or Nova? I don't know but I def think we would have won some of the 11 we lost with Lovett.
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I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
You're denigrating his accomplishments to make Ponds look better by comparison.
What would providing the wrong stats for ponds in comparison to Hatten be considered as?
Here are the stats I go by. And I don't care about the years because basketball has changed and good players don't stick around past Soph year anymore.
Hatten-41-25 / 16-16 BE
1 NCAA appearance and 1 NIT championship
Hardy-38-28 / 18-18 BE
1 NCAA appearance
1 NIT appearance
Harrison 1st two years-30-35 / 14-22 BE
1 NIT appearance
Ponds-28-32 / 10-21
I have Ponds ranked below Hatten and above Hardy and Harrison as a player.
As far as his legacy goes, so far he is more in step with Harrison at this point and well below Hatten and Hardy. If he stays another year he could possibly overtake Hatten in my opinion but if he leaves after this year and only can manage an NIT or worse then years from now when you think back on him, his legacy will be lacking compared to other similar players.
That’s fair dude and like you said it’s how you see it. This discussion was simply as players. I brought up the eye test and Foad dismissed it. So HE brought up their stats for comparison. Problem was the stats were wrong. Simple my mistake would have worked. Instead he doubled down and said where he got the stats from. Problem is that’s where I got the stats from.
I didn't dismiss the eye test, I said it was pointless, because I don't care about your personal preferences and I don't know how good your eyesight is. And having gone back and looked what I did, what I did was combine Ponds stats from last year and this. Which confusion you characterized as lying, for which you think you deserve an apology. Eye disagree.
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Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
This is the typical St. John's fan reaction. Sharif Fordham was as an exceptional glue guy. Stanley to a lesser degree. Smith was just a pure PG with a decent shot that can give backup minutes. You can win with guys like that if you have a Ponds or Hatten. Not everyone has to be a star or a super athlete.
We are surviving now by having Simon taking the load of Ponds just enough to allow ponds to conserve his energy to win the second half. Ponds would really benefit from any one of those
Guys.
Our new PG recruiting strategy should be to send WASJU out to find the one guy he hates most and sign him to be our backup. Your crazy if you think Stanley and Fordham wouldn't have take all of Trimble's minutes.
Fordham played defense . Andre Staley is freshman Brian Trimble. Tristan smith should have played division 3 football
Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
Took 3902 posts but we agree
See Marillac. You have gone so far off the reservation I am agreeing with Tony.
I'm just happy to see Tony posting again, I was worried he was constipated.
Traveling. At airport toilet as we speak.
Don't drink the water.
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Kobe over Lebron?
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Winning at that level you can use your judgement. I am sure some have Kobe over him. I have Lebron.
If Peyton Manning had won another Super Bowl or two he would have had a case against Brady even if Brady had won more.
Best QB I ever saw was Marino but he isn't even mention as GOAT.
Right now Ponds as best player on his team last two years has not won at all. Obviously not all his fault but again Hatten had comparable if not worse talent.
Am I wrong in remembering you saying Lovett was best player on team last year?
No. WASJU repeatedly posted how Lovett was better than Ponds. He also said he didn't like the way the outside shots of Mullin, Harrison, and Ponds look!
He put Ponds behind Harrison and Hardy as well and scoffed a the notion of Ponds being as good as Hatten. Now he has Ponds ahead of two and wants to act like its always been that way.
His stance on how good of a shooter Ponds is has also undergone some comical changes. He went from not liking the way the shot looks (couldn't knock him as a bad shooter yet after 38% as a freshman), to he flat out can't shoot after a 17% start, to he can only shoot off the bounce once Ponds bringing his %s up.
At the same time he blasts me for saying Simon is playing out of position while giving the kid the respect that he could play in the NBA in a different role. Simon dribbles the ball to his chin. If you asked him personally he'd say he needs to work on his handle.
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I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
You're denigrating his accomplishments to make Ponds look better by comparison.
What would providing the wrong stats for ponds in comparison to Hatten be considered as?
Here are the stats I go by. And I don't care about the years because basketball has changed and good players don't stick around past Soph year anymore.
Hatten-41-25 / 16-16 BE
1 NCAA appearance and 1 NIT championship
Hardy-38-28 / 18-18 BE
1 NCAA appearance
1 NIT appearance
Harrison 1st two years-30-35 / 14-22 BE
1 NIT appearance
Ponds-28-32 / 10-21
I have Ponds ranked below Hatten and above Hardy and Harrison as a player.
As far as his legacy goes, so far he is more in step with Harrison at this point and well below Hatten and Hardy. If he stays another year he could possibly overtake Hatten in my opinion but if he leaves after this year and only can manage an NIT or worse then years from now when you think back on him, his legacy will be lacking compared to other similar players.
St. John's was 8-8 in conference the year before Hatten with the same (younger) players and a freshman Omar Cook. They were 9-7 adding a junior Hatten and a soph Stanley as transfers and Eric King as a frosh while losing the great Alpha Bangura to transfer the following year. Both years they finished third in the Big East's East division.
St. John's was 1-17 in the Big East before Ponds and went 8-12 with him, Lovett, and Owens.
Glover and Emanuel played every minute of the center position and sometimes as PF and C together for a Big East championship team. Willie Shaw averaged 14 ppg as the second leading scorer on an 8-8 Big East team the year prior. It's not like Hatten was taking over a team that couldn't compete.
I get that Hatten team was limited, but they were big and deep. They were physical as hell too. Always crashing glass.
BTW Donald Emanuel's record was 87-44 and he played at least 31 games on three separate NCAA tournament teams.
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Kobe over Lebron?
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Winning at that level you can use your judgement. I am sure some have Kobe over him. I have Lebron.
If Peyton Manning had won another Super Bowl or two he would have had a case against Brady even if Brady had won more.
Best QB I ever saw was Marino but he isn't even mention as GOAT.
Right now Ponds as best player on his team last two years has not won at all. Obviously not all his fault but again Hatten had comparable if not worse talent.
Am I wrong in remembering you saying Lovett was best player on team last year?
No. WASJU repeatedly posted how Lovett was better than Ponds. He also said he didn't like the way the outside shots of Mullin, Harrison, and Ponds look!
He put Ponds behind Harrison and Hardy as well and scoffed a the notion of Ponds being as good as Hatten. Now he has Ponds ahead of two and wants to act like its always been that way.
His stance on how good of a shooter Ponds is has also undergone some comical changes. He went from not liking the way the shot looks (couldn't knock him as a bad shooter yet after 38% as a freshman), to he flat out can't shoot after a 17% start, to he can only shoot off the bounce once Ponds bringing his %s up.
At the same time he blasts me for saying Simon is playing out of position while giving the kid the respect that he could play in the NBA in a different role. Simon dribbles the ball to his chin. If you asked him personally he'd say he needs to work on his handle.
Ponds play changed my mind. What is hard to understand about that? Only crazy people do not alter their thought process as things change.
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I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
You're denigrating his accomplishments to make Ponds look better by comparison.
What would providing the wrong stats for ponds in comparison to Hatten be considered as?
Here are the stats I go by. And I don't care about the years because basketball has changed and good players don't stick around past Soph year anymore.
Hatten-41-25 / 16-16 BE
1 NCAA appearance and 1 NIT championship
Hardy-38-28 / 18-18 BE
1 NCAA appearance
1 NIT appearance
Harrison 1st two years-30-35 / 14-22 BE
1 NIT appearance
Ponds-28-32 / 10-21
I have Ponds ranked below Hatten and above Hardy and Harrison as a player.
As far as his legacy goes, so far he is more in step with Harrison at this point and well below Hatten and Hardy. If he stays another year he could possibly overtake Hatten in my opinion but if he leaves after this year and only can manage an NIT or worse then years from now when you think back on him, his legacy will be lacking compared to other similar players.
St. John's was 8-8 in conference the year before Hatten with the same (younger) players and a freshman Omar Cook. They were 9-7 adding a junior Hatten and a soph Stanley as transfers and Eric King as a frosh while losing the great Alpha Bangura to transfer the following year. Both years they finished third in the Big East's East division.
St. John's was 1-17 in the Big East before Ponds and went 8-12 with him, Lovett, and Owens.
Glover and Emanuel played every minute of the center position and sometimes as PF and C together for a Big East championship team. Willie Shaw averaged 14 ppg as the second leading scorer on an 8-8 Big East team the year prior. It's not like Hatten was taking over a team that couldn't compete.
I get that Hatten team was limited, but they were big and deep. They were physical as hell too. Always crashing glass.
BTW Donald Emanuel's record was 87-44 and he played at least 31 games on three separate NCAA tournament teams.
Below is the stats for the team Hatten carried to the tourney. I posted this because I feel bad that some of the younger posters might think some of the guys Marillac keeps talking about were good. They were not. Please see below. And honestly my memories of them are even worse than their terrible stats indicate.
Eric King 1 FR F 6-6 230 Brooklyn, NY 7.6 Pts, 4.5 Reb, 0.7 Ast
Willie Shaw 23 SO G 6-6 190 Bronx, NY 6.8 Pts, 2.3 Reb, 1.0 Ast
Donald Emanuel 33 SR F 6-9 230 Houston, TX 6.1 Pts, 2.8 Reb, 1.0 Ast
Sharif Fordham 3 SR G 6-4 200 Far Rockaway, NY 5.1 Pts, 3.5 Reb, 0.9 Ast
Kyle Cuffe 25 SO F 6-9 243 Bronx, NY 5.6 Pts, 3.0 Reb, 0.6 Ast
Alpha Banurga 15 JR G 6-6 215 Lanham, MD 5.6 Pts, 2.2 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Andre Stanley 14 JR G 6-4 204 Brooklyn, NY 3.2 Pts, 2.5 Reb, 1.7 Ast
Abe Keita 4 JR C 6-11 222 Winchendon, MA 2.4 Pts, 2.6 Reb, 0.3 Ast
Tristan Smith 2 FR G 6-1 185 Amityville, NY 1.4 Pts, 0.9 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Mohamed Diakite 44 SO C 6-11 235 Rockville, MD 2.1 Pts, 1.6 Reb, 0.1 Ast
Curtis Johnson 52 SO C 7-3 308 Norfolk, VA 0.8 Pts, 1.2 Reb, 0.0 Ast
Jon Scheiman 11 JR G 6-1 178 New York, NY 0.3 Pts, 0.2 Reb, 0.2 Ast
Danny Bovain 55 JR G 6-3 0 1.0 Pts, 0.0 Reb, 0.0 Ast
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BTW Donald Emanuel's record was 87-44 and he played at least 31 games on three separate NCAA tournament teams.
Emanuel was awful for three years. His fourth year - a year where he averaged 6 points and 3 rebounds a game - was nothing short of astonishing.
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I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
You're denigrating his accomplishments to make Ponds look better by comparison.
What would providing the wrong stats for ponds in comparison to Hatten be considered as?
Here are the stats I go by. And I don't care about the years because basketball has changed and good players don't stick around past Soph year anymore.
Hatten-41-25 / 16-16 BE
1 NCAA appearance and 1 NIT championship
Hardy-38-28 / 18-18 BE
1 NCAA appearance
1 NIT appearance
Harrison 1st two years-30-35 / 14-22 BE
1 NIT appearance
Ponds-28-32 / 10-21
I have Ponds ranked below Hatten and above Hardy and Harrison as a player.
As far as his legacy goes, so far he is more in step with Harrison at this point and well below Hatten and Hardy. If he stays another year he could possibly overtake Hatten in my opinion but if he leaves after this year and only can manage an NIT or worse then years from now when you think back on him, his legacy will be lacking compared to other similar players.
St. John's was 8-8 in conference the year before Hatten with the same (younger) players and a freshman Omar Cook. They were 9-7 adding a junior Hatten and a soph Stanley as transfers and Eric King as a frosh while losing the great Alpha Bangura to transfer the following year. Both years they finished third in the Big East's East division.
St. John's was 1-17 in the Big East before Ponds and went 8-12 with him, Lovett, and Owens.
Glover and Emanuel played every minute of the center position and sometimes as PF and C together for a Big East championship team. Willie Shaw averaged 14 ppg as the second leading scorer on an 8-8 Big East team the year prior. It's not like Hatten was taking over a team that couldn't compete.
I get that Hatten team was limited, but they were big and deep. They were physical as hell too. Always crashing glass.
BTW Donald Emanuel's record was 87-44 and he played at least 31 games on three separate NCAA tournament teams.
They replaced a very good player Cook with a fantastic player and made the tourney. That is really the whole story.
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Wish we were playing tomorrow because this dead horse reeks. :).
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BTW Donald Emanuel's record was 87-44 and he played at least 31 games on three separate NCAA tournament teams.
Emanuel was awful for three years. His fourth year - a year where he averaged 6 points and 3 rebounds a game - was nothing short of astonishing.
I wasn't a fan of Emanuel during his time at SJU. I've come to appreciate him more since I learned what terrible play and players actually looks like.
Not many kids could give 10 mpg to a team that was a shot away from the Final Four as a freshman and then 15 minutes to a team that won the old Big East as a soph. He was big and he boxed out every shot, set good screens, and played tough D.
If you had a choice between Glover and Emanuel or Owens and Clark who would you choose?
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I wasn't a fan of Emanuel during his time at SJU. I've come to appreciate him more since I learned what terrible play and players actually looks like.
Not many kids could give 10 mpg to a team that was a shot away from the Final Four as a freshman and then 15 minutes to a team that won the old Big East as a soph. He was big and he boxed out every shot, set good screens, and played tough D.
I can't really remember how well DE boxed out or set screens, as that was nearly 20 years ago. I'll take you're word for it. The only defensive play I remember him making was fouling a three point shooter against someone, UConn maybe, with like 10 seconds left in some game and I only remember that because I saw it replayed recently on ESPN. He was a very dumb player, he'd fit right in on this year's team.
If you had a choice between Glover and Emanuel or Owens and Clark who would you choose?
Depends what version of which player to what on which team. In a vacuum probably Owens and Clark. If I had to pick one of them I'd take Glover.
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I do not think listing Hatten as the third best guard that we've had in my 25 years as
a fan is sh*tting on him.
You're denigrating his accomplishments to make Ponds look better by comparison.
What would providing the wrong stats for ponds in comparison to Hatten be considered as?
Here are the stats I go by. And I don't care about the years because basketball has changed and good players don't stick around past Soph year anymore.
Hatten-41-25 / 16-16 BE
1 NCAA appearance and 1 NIT championship
Hardy-38-28 / 18-18 BE
1 NCAA appearance
1 NIT appearance
Harrison 1st two years-30-35 / 14-22 BE
1 NIT appearance
Ponds-28-32 / 10-21
I have Ponds ranked below Hatten and above Hardy and Harrison as a player.
As far as his legacy goes, so far he is more in step with Harrison at this point and well below Hatten and Hardy. If he stays another year he could possibly overtake Hatten in my opinion but if he leaves after this year and only can manage an NIT or worse then years from now when you think back on him, his legacy will be lacking compared to other similar players.
St. John's was 8-8 in conference the year before Hatten with the same (younger) players and a freshman Omar Cook. They were 9-7 adding a junior Hatten and a soph Stanley as transfers and Eric King as a frosh while losing the great Alpha Bangura to transfer the following year. Both years they finished third in the Big East's East division.
St. John's was 1-17 in the Big East before Ponds and went 8-12 with him, Lovett, and Owens.
Glover and Emanuel played every minute of the center position and sometimes as PF and C together for a Big East championship team. Willie Shaw averaged 14 ppg as the second leading scorer on an 8-8 Big East team the year prior. It's not like Hatten was taking over a team that couldn't compete.
I get that Hatten team was limited, but they were big and deep. They were physical as hell too. Always crashing glass.
BTW Donald Emanuel's record was 87-44 and he played at least 31 games on three separate NCAA tournament teams.
They replaced a very good player Cook with a fantastic player and made the tourney. That is really the whole story.
It's not that simple. Jarvis started three freshman that year and two sophs. That was a young team. Jessie was a senior but he was terrible that year. The only other upperclassmen were Emanuel and first year Sharif Fordham.
You'd expect an 8-8 team with that many young kids to add a few wins as sophs and juniors, right? Plus, the Omar team played the toughest OOC we've ever had: Kentucky, Kansas, national champion Duke, Michigan, @Ohio State, @George Washington, @Hofstra (26-5 that year), San Francisco, and @Fordham. 2001-2002 had two top 20 opponent and got crushed by both: #3 Duke by 42 and #13 Miami by 23.
Cook's squad beat #12 Kentucky, lost to #7 Kansas by 12, lost @ #10 Uconn by 2 in OT, lost by 32 to #3 Duke, and lost by 2 in double OT to #19 Syracuse.
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Kobe over Lebron?
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Winning at that level you can use your judgement. I am sure some have Kobe over him. I have Lebron.
If Peyton Manning had won another Super Bowl or two he would have had a case against Brady even if Brady had won more.
Best QB I ever saw was Marino but he isn't even mention as GOAT.
Right now Ponds as best player on his team last two years has not won at all. Obviously not all his fault but again Hatten had comparable if not worse talent.
OMG agree with you on Marino and I go further back than you to Unitas , Starr and Namath. Believe marino doesn't get the credit he deserves because his teams never won the Super Bowl but to me he was still the best. Of course it is hair close with Brady, P. Manning, Montana, Elway, Rodgers and probably a few others.
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Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
This is the typical St. John's fan reaction. Sharif Fordham was as an exceptional glue guy. Stanley to a lesser degree. Smith was just a pure PG with a decent shot that can give backup minutes. You can win with guys like that if you have a Ponds or Hatten. Not everyone has to be a star or a super athlete.
We are surviving now by having Simon taking the load of Ponds just enough to allow ponds to conserve his energy to win the second half. Ponds would really benefit from any one of those
Guys.
Our new PG recruiting strategy should be to send WASJU out to find the one guy he hates most and sign him to be our backup. Your crazy if you think Stanley and Fordham wouldn't have take all of Trimble's minutes.
Fordham played defense . Andre Staley is freshman Brian Trimble. Tristan smith should have played division 3 football
Trimble just shoots jumpers and Andre Stanley only tried to get in the lane. They are nothing alike. Stanley would help this current team more....better defender and better ball handler. I'd be inclined to take Trimble over him long term.
+1
Trimble is Ricky Torres. Stanley was a street baller.
Trimble is way better than Ricky Torres already.
Is he really? I think he's a little better than. Overweight shooting guards who can't get into the lane, and are overmatched defensively.
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Trimble has been fine for a freshman getting so many minutes. Next year the rubber meets road for him relative to increased competition. Heard staff has been real clear with him re need to pay the price and lose weight. If he does, I suspect his outside shooting potential will buy him decent time. If not ....
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Trimble has been fine for a freshman getting so many minutes. Next year the rubber meets road for him relative to increased competition. Heard staff has been real clear with him re need to pay the price and lose weight. If he does, I suspect his outside shooting potential will buy him decent time. If not ....
Though better than Amar it is same story. Trimble was probably recruited a s a 4 year guy who would not play much in beginning if ever. It is not his fault he is the 6th man.
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Trimble has been fine for a freshman getting so many minutes. Next year the rubber meets road for him relative to increased competition. Heard staff has been real clear with him re need to pay the price and lose weight. If he does, I suspect his outside shooting potential will buy him decent time. If not ....
He's been very solid. All you can ask of a freshman is his situation is to not play you out of games. He does just enough defensively and on the glass to play pretty much even. That's huge for this team. It would have been nice to have his PG equivalent this year.
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The best thing about Trimble is seems to be very aware of what he's capable of and what his limitations are. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes, and rarely takes bad shots or forces anything.
I don't see him ever being a great player but hopefully a back end rotation player for 4 years.
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I’m no B.B. genius. But w Trimble getting more time and Yakwe and Amar glued to the bench, we have been winning. And he is only a freshman. If he looses weight , should be a nice 4 year contributor.
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Trimble has been fine for a freshman getting so many minutes. Next year the rubber meets road for him relative to increased competition. Heard staff has been real clear with him re need to pay the price and lose weight. If he does, I suspect his outside shooting potential will buy him decent time. If not ....
As a unheralded recruit he has done a fine job as a freshman playing expanded minutes and meshing in with the fabric of this team. He's kept his turnovers down, plays solid on/off ball D and is slowly adapting to pace of play in the BE. I think that he's done a honorable job for a 3 star, Midwest 18 year old thrown into the highest level of D1 hoops. Rooting for him and hope he continues to improve as the years go on.
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Trimble has been fine for a freshman getting so many minutes. Next year the rubber meets road for him relative to increased competition. Heard staff has been real clear with him re need to pay the price and lose weight. If he does, I suspect his outside shooting potential will buy him decent time. If not ....
As a unheralded recruit he has done a fine job as a freshman playing expanded minutes and meshing in with the fabric of this team. He's kept his turnovers down, plays solid on/off ball D and is slowly adapting to pace of play in the BE. I think that he's done a honorable job for a 3 star, Midwest 18 year old thrown into the highest level of D1 hoops. Rooting for him and hope he continues to improve as the years go on.
Agree. This isn't Kentucky. We bemoan the lack of experience on the one hand and throw freshmen under the bus with the other. He's too fat, he's too slow, he's too short, he's too thin, he's too this, he's too that. He's too freshmen, that's what he is. He's a good shooter, he's a sneaky good rebounder, he doesn't turn the ball over and he tries on defense. I wish we had three more of him, each one fatter than the next.
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Trimble was #1 in the country in turnover rate. That's crazy.
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Johnnies coming in at #12 in the power rankings on The Ringer.
https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/16/17019206/college-basketball-power-rankings-michigan-state-texas-tech
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Trimble was #1 in the country in turnover rate. That's crazy.
How is that crazy? He never hold the ball for more than 2 seconds. He either shoots it or passes it back to the teammate 4 feet away from him as soon as he gets it. Which is what he should do honestly. He understands his role
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Andre Staley, Tristan smith, and sharif Fordham Ball handlers? Wooooow!
This is the typical St. John's fan reaction. Sharif Fordham was as an exceptional glue guy. Stanley to a lesser degree. Smith was just a pure PG with a decent shot that can give backup minutes. You can win with guys like that if you have a Ponds or Hatten. Not everyone has to be a star or a super athlete.
We are surviving now by having Simon taking the load of Ponds just enough to allow ponds to conserve his energy to win the second half. Ponds would really benefit from any one of those
Guys.
Our new PG recruiting strategy should be to send WASJU out to find the one guy he hates most and sign him to be our backup. Your crazy if you think Stanley and Fordham wouldn't have take all of Trimble's minutes.
Fordham played defense . Andre Staley is freshman Brian Trimble. Tristan smith should have played division 3 football
Trimble just shoots jumpers and Andre Stanley only tried to get in the lane. They are nothing alike. Stanley would help this current team more....better defender and better ball handler. I'd be inclined to take Trimble over him long term.
+1
Trimble is Ricky Torres. Stanley was a street baller.
Trimble is way better than Ricky Torres already.
Is he really? I think he's a little better than. Overweight shooting guards who can't get into the lane, and are overmatched defensively.
I see the comparison but it's not an immediate 10 - 0 run for the opponent as it was with Torres.
Elway best quarterback ever.
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Johnnies coming in at #12 in the power rankings on The Ringer.
https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/16/17019206/college-basketball-power-rankings-michigan-state-texas-tech
" There isn’t a thing on this earth that I want more than to see the Johnnies run the table from here on out, make the NCAA tournament as a no. 13 seed, and then get absolutely stomped by a team like Tennessee or West Virginia in the first round because Chris Mullin was so busy popping champagne bottles that he forgot to prep for the game."
Hoping that a reformed alcoholic like Chris Mullin relapses and succumbs to a life threatening disease seems cruel to me. There isn't a thing on earth that I want to see more than this nice person's kids get cancer.
Oh I'm sorry, was that harsh? Oh well, Hashtag mindless cynicism.
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Trimble was #1 in the country in turnover rate. That's crazy.
How is that crazy? He never hold the ball for more than 2 seconds. He either shoots it or passes it back to the teammate 4 feet away from him as soon as he gets it. Which is what he should do honestly. He understands his role
He a freshman. Freshmen make mistakes...a lot of them. He does his share of handling in the open court and passing in the half court too. He may not be Ponds but he's not Yakwe either. Think of how many minutes he's played in close games against good teams. I'm impressed.
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Johnnies coming in at #12 in the power rankings on The Ringer.
https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/16/17019206/college-basketball-power-rankings-michigan-state-texas-tech
" There isn’t a thing on this earth that I want more than to see the Johnnies run the table from here on out, make the NCAA tournament as a no. 13 seed, and then get absolutely stomped by a team like Tennessee or West Virginia in the first round because Chris Mullin was so busy popping champagne bottles that he forgot to prep for the game."
Hoping that a reformed alcoholic like Chris Mullin relapses and succumbs to a life threatening disease seems cruel to me. There isn't a thing on earth that I want to see more than this nice person's kids get cancer.
Oh I'm sorry, was that harsh? Oh well, Hashtag mindless cynicism.
The main issue I have with this is that if we run the table including the BET and go into Selection Sunday on a 12 game winning streak we sure as shit aren't going to be a 13 seed.
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Trimble was #1 in the country in turnover rate. That's crazy.
How is that crazy? He never hold the ball for more than 2 seconds. He either shoots it or passes it back to the teammate 4 feet away from him as soon as he gets it. Which is what he should do honestly. He understands his role
He a freshman. Freshmen make mistakes...a lot of them. He does his share of handling in the open court and passing in the half court too. He may not be Ponds but he's not Yakwe either. Think of how many minutes he's played in close games against good teams. I'm impressed.
And has made some intelligent, key plays like his pass to Owens for a bucket v Duke. Very poised player.
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Johnnies coming in at #12 in the power rankings on The Ringer.
https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/16/17019206/college-basketball-power-rankings-michigan-state-texas-tech
" There isn’t a thing on this earth that I want more than to see the Johnnies run the table from here on out, make the NCAA tournament as a no. 13 seed, and then get absolutely stomped by a team like Tennessee or West Virginia in the first round because Chris Mullin was so busy popping champagne bottles that he forgot to prep for the game."
Hoping that a reformed alcoholic like Chris Mullin relapses and succumbs to a life threatening disease seems cruel to me. There isn't a thing on earth that I want to see more than this nice person's kids get cancer.
Oh I'm sorry, was that harsh? Oh well, Hashtag mindless cynicism.
He's and idiot if he thinks we'd be a 13 seed if we won the next eight games and finished 22-13. That is a 6-8 seed.
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Johnnies coming in at #12 in the power rankings on The Ringer.
https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/16/17019206/college-basketball-power-rankings-michigan-state-texas-tech
" There isn’t a thing on this earth that I want more than to see the Johnnies run the table from here on out, make the NCAA tournament as a no. 13 seed, and then get absolutely stomped by a team like Tennessee or West Virginia in the first round because Chris Mullin was so busy popping champagne bottles that he forgot to prep for the game."
Hoping that a reformed alcoholic like Chris Mullin relapses and succumbs to a life threatening disease seems cruel to me. There isn't a thing on earth that I want to see more than this nice person's kids get cancer.
Oh I'm sorry, was that harsh? Oh well, Hashtag mindless cynicism.
He's and idiot if he thinks we'd be a 13 seed if we won the next eight games and finished 22-13. That is a 6-8 seed.
Either way I'll take some positive press with a serving of negativity included.
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I like Trimble . Don’t like the way he is being used. Think more of his minutes should go to yakwe. Wojo is going to attack Trimble. In my opinion Trimble and yakwe are equally useless. Yakwe can play better defense.
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I like Trimble . Don’t like the way he is being used. Think more of his minutes should go to yakwe. Wojo is going to attack Trimble. In my opinion Trimble and yakwe are equally useless. Yakwe can play better defense.
You "like Trimble," who's "useless," Fair enough. Considering that he's useless and that he's being used as a sixth man who plays 20 minutes because there's no one else to play, other than not playing him at all how would you use him, taking into account that you like him.
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Trimble has been fine for a freshman getting so many minutes. Next year the rubber meets road for him relative to increased competition. Heard staff has been real clear with him re need to pay the price and lose weight. If he does, I suspect his outside shooting potential will buy him decent time. If not ....
It’s a huge summer for him. The kid is more than a little out of shape. He has a gut. He can’t guard anyone without fouling. He has hit threes in bunches and he’s not afraid to mix it up for a rebound.
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I like Trimble . Don’t like the way he is being used. Think more of his minutes should go to yakwe. Wojo is going to attack Trimble. In my opinion Trimble and yakwe are equally useless. Yakwe can play better defense.
You "like Trimble," who's "useless," Fair enough. Considering that he's useless and that he's being used as a sixth man who plays 20 minutes because there's no one else to play, other than not playing him at all how would you use him, taking into account that you like him.
Foady, I like him. I liked Omari Laurence also. Hated the German, Italian, Frenchman, and all the white guys since Fred lyson. I don’t think he is good now. I think he will be good in a few years. This is a useful player. Phil green was not good as a freshman. But I didn’t hate him. He was good as a junior and very good as a senior.
I sat in the student section (for some weird reason) against Marquette. Wojo went right at him . Trimble isn’t quick enough to guard their guards. Not big enough to guard their forwards. He should absolutely not be the 6th man this game.
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Trimble has been fine for a freshman getting so many minutes. Next year the rubber meets road for him relative to increased competition. Heard staff has been real clear with him re need to pay the price and lose weight. If he does, I suspect his outside shooting potential will buy him decent time. If not ....
It’s a huge summer for him. The kid is more than a little out of shape. He has a gut. He can’t guard anyone without fouling. He has hit threes in bunches and he’s not afraid to mix it up for a rebound.
Agree. But he has to be replaced. Not a fan of Ellison. We could have used him this year.
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Trimble has been fine for a freshman getting so many minutes. Next year the rubber meets road for him relative to increased competition. Heard staff has been real clear with him re need to pay the price and lose weight. If he does, I suspect his outside shooting potential will buy him decent time. If not ....
It’s a huge summer for him. The kid is more than a little out of shape. He has a gut. He can’t guard anyone without fouling. He has hit threes in bunches and he’s not afraid to mix it up for a rebound.
Agree. But he has to be replaced. Not a fan of Ellison. We could have used him this year.
He doesn’t have to be replaced. That’s what this staffis doing wrong. He needs to take his health seriously. Get to the gym, stop eating garbage and work hard on every aspect his game. Freudenberg leaving was awful for the program and complete failure for the staff. Not because he was overwhelmed and outclassed at this level, but because they couldn’t keep him. That’s the trend that needs to end.
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He was fine dealing with their third guard/swing man, none of whom create much and play off others for open shots. The problem is that Marquette was running him into switches and, yes, him on Howard or Rousey is a problem. But going with the short rotation has led to us playing the best ball minus Lovett, so why not keep a good thing going? If Yawke wants to earn time, he has plenty of opportunities in practice to show he should be out there.
I like Trimble . Don’t like the way he is being used. Think more of his minutes should go to yakwe. Wojo is going to attack Trimble. In my opinion Trimble and yakwe are equally useless. Yakwe can play better defense.
You "like Trimble," who's "useless," Fair enough. Considering that he's useless and that he's being used as a sixth man who plays 20 minutes because there's no one else to play, other than not playing him at all how would you use him, taking into account that you like him.
Foady, I like him. I liked Omari Laurence also. Hated the German, Italian, Frenchman, and all the white guys since Fred lyson. I don’t think he is good now. I think he will be good in a few years. This is a useful player. Phil green was not good as a freshman. But I didn’t hate him. He was good as a junior and very good as a senior.
I sat in the student section (for some weird reason) against Marquette. Wojo went right at him . Trimble isn’t quick enough to guard their guards. Not big enough to guard their forwards. He should absolutely not be the 6th man this game.
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Agreed. Continuity is key. Hard to keep kids happy these days when other players are coming in that will steal burn - no doubt that is what happened with Ellison. Most kids and their "advisors" aren't patient. But need to do a better job at limiting roster turnover, some of which is inevitable.
Trimble has been fine for a freshman getting so many minutes. Next year the rubber meets road for him relative to increased competition. Heard staff has been real clear with him re need to pay the price and lose weight. If he does, I suspect his outside shooting potential will buy him decent time. If not ....
It’s a huge summer for him. The kid is more than a little out of shape. He has a gut. He can’t guard anyone without fouling. He has hit threes in bunches and he’s not afraid to mix it up for a rebound.
Agree. But he has to be replaced. Not a fan of Ellison. We could have used him this year.
He doesn’t have to be replaced. That’s what this staffis doing wrong. He needs to take his health seriously. Get to the gym, stop eating garbage and work hard on every aspect his game. Freudenberg leaving was awful for the program and complete failure for the staff. Not because he was overwhelmed and outclassed at this level, but because they couldn’t keep him. That’s the trend that needs to end.
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Trimble has been fine for a freshman getting so many minutes. Next year the rubber meets road for him relative to increased competition. Heard staff has been real clear with him re need to pay the price and lose weight. If he does, I suspect his outside shooting potential will buy him decent time. If not ....
It’s a huge summer for him. The kid is more than a little out of shape. He has a gut. He can’t guard anyone without fouling. He has hit threes in bunches and he’s not afraid to mix it up for a rebound.
Agree. But he has to be replaced. Not a fan of Ellison. We could have used him this year.
He doesn’t have to be replaced. That’s what this staffis doing wrong. He needs to take his health seriously. Get to the gym, stop eating garbage and work hard on every aspect his game. Freudenberg leaving was awful for the program and complete failure for the staff. Not because he was overwhelmed and outclassed at this level, but because they couldn’t keep him. That’s the trend that needs to end.
Mis spoke. Meant to say if he leaves he need to be replaced. Hoping that he puts the work in.
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I can finally post again. First post after not being able to for the last two weeks.
Mullin and staff better not get complacent now. They still need an impact big for next year like a Brooks. The staff also needs to be shaken up before next year without question. With this winning streak they have bought themselves a little recruiting capital. Need to cash it in.
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I could not post for awhile either, have no idea why. Amazing how the cries for Mullin's head have disappeared. Seems like he went from goat to genius rather quickly. ;D
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I could not post for awhile either, have no idea why. Amazing how the cries for Mullin's head have disappeared. Seems like he went from goat to genius rather quickly. ;D
Indeed. Funny how that works. :)
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I could not post for awhile either, have no idea why. Amazing how the cries for Mullin's head have disappeared. Seems like he went from goat to genius rather quickly. ;D
I'm pretty sure no one thinks he's a genius. Still think this team is easily at 17-18 wins with any competent coach, but the results the past two weeks have been good. Hopefully he can turn it around.
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I could not post for awhile either, have no idea why. Amazing how the cries for Mullin's head have disappeared. Seems like he went from goat to genius rather quickly. ;D
Indeed. Funny how that works. :)
Yes, very odd how a coach of a team on an 11 game losing streak engendered criticism and now in the mist of a 4 game winning steak with two of those wins against top 5 teams the criticism has subsided. Maybe Mr. ponds incredible steak has something to do with it but who knows. Will wonders never cease?
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I could not post for awhile either, have no idea why. Amazing how the cries for Mullin's head have disappeared. Seems like he went from goat to genius rather quickly. ;D
Indeed. Funny how that works. :)
Yes, very odd how a coach of a team on an 11 game losing streak engendered criticism and now in the mist of a 4 game winning steak with two of those wins against top 5 teams the criticism has subsided. Maybe Mr. ponds incredible steak has something to do with it but who knows. Will wonders never cease?
No one's saying they aren't playing good ball right now and it's fun to watch. I hope they make the NIT or better. But let's keep things in context. It's 4 games. The roster and coaching staff still need some upgrades.
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Back to Trimble, should be a nice fit with Williams and Dixon for the next couple of years, we will have good variety at the guard spot.
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Even if Trimble never becomes more than a spot up shooter, plenty of athletes around him to disguise his weaknesses.
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Even if Trimble never becomes more than a spot up shooter, plenty of athletes around him to disguise his weaknesses.
I disagree with this. I don’t think he is a great shooter. He has the green light here. But so does everyone else. I don’t think he is a bad athlete. Hoping he puts the work in. Maybe he becomes a great shooter.
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Even if Trimble never becomes more than a spot up shooter, plenty of athletes around him to disguise his weaknesses.
I disagree with this. I don’t think he is a great shooter. He has the green light here. But so does everyone else. I don’t think he is a bad athlete. Hoping he puts the work in. Maybe he becomes a great shooter.
hopefully he follows Myles Powell’s route who came in chunky and reworked his body.