6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: hnk on February 05, 2018, 10:54:51 AM
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Spellman is a beast...rebounds....hits the three especially from the corner...hits his foul shots.
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Donte kills St Johns, Simon has to keep a hand in his face.
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The next 2 games we need to guard the 3 point line.
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Too many weapons, tough at home > 15 point loss, but a win v Marquette Saturday
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I'm expecting a beatdown.
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I'm expecting a beatdown.
Thank God. Not sure if some of the St Johns fans here could handle another top 5 win. There would be a battle royal. Winner gets anal
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I'm expecting a beatdown.
Thank God. Not sure if some of the St Johns fans here could handle another top 5 win. There would be a battle royal. Winner gets anal
According to JJ , we have to determine the kenpom ranking of anal vs strapon
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I'm expecting a beatdown.
Thank God. Not sure if some of the St Johns fans here could handle another top 5 win. There would be a battle royal. Winner gets anal
According to JJ , we have to determine the kenpom ranking of anal vs strapon
Can you guys stop with these words before we get targeted by bots again? Way too descriptive.
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I'm expecting a beatdown.
Thank God. Not sure if some of the St Johns fans here could handle another top 5 win. There would be a battle royal. Winner gets anal
According to JJ , we have to determine the kenpom ranking of anal vs strapon
Can you guys stop with these words before we get targeted by bots again? Way too descriptive.
Is that accurate? That is why we were attacked?
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I'm expecting a beatdown.
Thank God. Not sure if some of the St Johns fans here could handle another top 5 win. There would be a battle royal. Winner gets anal
According to JJ , we have to determine the kenpom ranking of anal vs strapon
Ha! Y'all are wild.
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I'm expecting a beatdown.
Thank God. Not sure if some of the St Johns fans here could handle another top 5 win. There would be a battle royal. Winner gets anal
After watching the body shots debacle you guys had a the BEB get together I would list you Marillac and Carmine as the favorites. Tha Kid was involved too I believe. Who was the poster that tried to molest poor Dave? That was a wild scene.
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Yes he does. And hard to focus on him when you have to worry about one of the top point guards in the country and likely first rounder plus two other guys who may be lottery picks at some point
Donte kills St Johns, Simon has to keep a hand in his face.
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I'm expecting a beatdown.
Thank God. Not sure if some of the St Johns fans here could handle another top 5 win. There would be a battle royal. Winner gets anal
After watching the body shots debacle you guys had a the BEB get together I would list you Marillac and Carmine as the favorites. Tha Kid was involved too I believe. Who was the poster that tried to molest poor Dave? That was a wild scene.
Beast of the East?
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Nova clearly deserves the respect and the #1 ranking but I wonder when the lose of Booth will be fit--they are short handed like us, We have to careful on the switching and leaving an open three. Let's try to stop Donte for a change
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As long as Donte isn't set he won't go crazy, make him move.
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As long as Donte isn't set he won't go crazy, make him move.
Need to keep him off the boards too
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Nova clearly deserves the respect and the #1 ranking but I wonder when the lose of Booth will be fit--they are short handed like us, We have to careful on the switching and leaving an open three. Let's try to stop Donte for a change
It's odd how they can be so good while being so shoethanded. Usually it takes a few games to have a lost player really set in. Guys can rally around a loss and step up in the short term.
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As long as Donte isn't set he won't go crazy, make him move.
Need to keep him off the boards too
Does Chris follow the game plan of how they defended against Allan of Duke and have Bash stay with him all over the court?
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Asking too much for a win this week against Nova on the road.
Hopefully keep it somewhat respectable and again let's see what we can do overall the last month, maybe go 4-3/5-2 over last 7 and get some momentum into next year.
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Terrible incoming weather + Eagles parade Thursday should keep the crowd limited. Nova has a $5.20 Super Bowl themed promotion ongoing, they're struggling to sell seats. If Tariq plays the same way against Spellman the way he did Bagley, and the high/low post game is working we'll keep it close again. Have to hope Bash & Shamorie stay hot. There hasn't been one night this year besides Nebraska where we were clicking on all cylinders, we're going to need that same synergy tomorrow night. I agree w Paultz btw, we're going to have fun inside Carnesecca come high noon Saturday.
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I just want to see improvement. We took 17 3’s Saturday. Usually it’s closer to 30. I thought we were more aggressive. We went hard to basket and earned some free throws. Need to rebound and close out on shooters. Simple things.
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Terrible incoming weather + Eagles parade Thursday should keep the crowd limited. Nova has a $5.20 Super Bowl themed promotion ongoing, they're struggling to sell seats. If Tariq plays the same way against Spellman the way he did Bagley, and the high/low post game is working we'll keep it close again. Have to hope Bash & Shamorie stay hot. There hasn't been one night this year besides Nebraska where we were clicking on all cylinders, we're going to need that same synergy tomorrow night. I agree w Paultz btw, we're going to have fun inside Carnesecca come high noon Saturday.
Saw on twitter last week that Kris Jenkins was asking where are all the students
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Start Yakwe over Clark and leave him on Spellman
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Start Yakwe over Clark and leave him on Spellman
I don’t hate Clarke. But I agree. Yakwe doesn’t have to play starters minutes. And the second unit needs more offense. Yakwe is an on defender and he has 5 fouls to give.
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Terrible incoming weather + Eagles parade Thursday should keep the crowd limited. Nova has a $5.20 Super Bowl themed promotion ongoing, they're struggling to sell seats. If Tariq plays the same way against Spellman the way he did Bagley, and the high/low post game is working we'll keep it close again. Have to hope Bash & Shamorie stay hot. There hasn't been one night this year besides Nebraska where we were clicking on all cylinders, we're going to need that same synergy tomorrow night. I agree w Paultz btw, we're going to have fun inside Carnesecca come high noon Saturday.
Saw on twitter last week that Kris Jenkins was asking where are all the students
Having to trek from Villanova to the Wells Fargo Center for 20+ nights over 4 months is tiresome for their student body. When I went to St. Joe's during their on campus arena renovation they played an entire season at The Palestra, it was a real treat.
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Terrible incoming weather + Eagles parade Thursday should keep the crowd limited. Nova has a $5.20 Super Bowl themed promotion ongoing, they're struggling to sell seats. If Tariq plays the same way against Spellman the way he did Bagley, and the high/low post game is working we'll keep it close again. Have to hope Bash & Shamorie stay hot. There hasn't been one night this year besides Nebraska where we were clicking on all cylinders, we're going to need that same synergy tomorrow night. I agree w Paultz btw, we're going to have fun inside Carnesecca come high noon Saturday.
Saw on twitter last week that Kris Jenkins was asking where are all the students
Having to trek from Villanova to the Wells Fargo Center for 20+ nights over 4 months is tiresome for their student body. When I went to St. Joe's during their on campus arena renovation they played an entire season at The Palestra, it was a real treat.
Ya it must suck to travel to see your #1 ranked team . Typical millennial spoiled garbage
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+1
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Start Yakwe over Clark and leave him on Spellman
Yakwe hasn’t played well since mid Dec, but yeah, there just aren’t any options.
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18 point dog
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Start Yakwe over Clark and leave him on Spellman
Yakwe hasn’t played well since mid Dec, but yeah, there just aren’t any options.
Mid Dec 2016?
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18 point dog
Might have to take that
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It's almost certainly back to reality tonight, but imagine they pulled this out?
I say let Spellman get his and don't cheat at all on defense. Swarm the boards on both ends. They rebounded so well in the second half against Duke.
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I just want to see improvement. We took 17 3’s Saturday. Usually it’s closer to 30. I thought we were more aggressive. We went hard to basket and earned some free throws. Need to rebound and close out on shooters. Simple things.
Clark, Ponds and Ahmed do not close out on shooters. That’s our greatest weakness. Nova does too many things well every night that I can’t see us beating them, but any team can have an off night.
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It's almost certainly back to reality tonight, but imagine they pulled this out?
I say let Spellman get his and don't cheat at all on defense. Swarm the boards on both ends. They rebounded so well in the second half against Duke.
Cheating on defense is our defense. It works a few times per game. It’s an awful plan. I’m particularly disappointed with Clark and Ahmed on d. They commit fouls because they cheat and try to make up for it, and also because they aren’t paying atrention. The rest of guys follow suit.
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It's almost certainly back to reality tonight, but imagine they pulled this out?
I say let Spellman get his and don't cheat at all on defense. Swarm the boards on both ends. They rebounded so well in the second half against Duke.
Cheating on defense is our defense. It works a few times per game. It’s an awful plan. I’m particularly disappointed with Clark and Ahmed on d. They commit fouls because they cheat and try to make up for it, and also because they aren’t paying atrention. The rest of guys follow suit.
I meant cheat off their man to help.
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It's almost certainly back to reality tonight, but imagine they pulled this out?
I say let Spellman get his and don't cheat at all on defense. Swarm the boards on both ends. They rebounded so well in the second half against Duke.
Cheating on defense is our defense. It works a few times per game. It’s an awful plan. I’m particularly disappointed with Clark and Ahmed on d. They commit fouls because they cheat and try to make up for it, and also because they aren’t paying atrention. The rest of guys follow suit.
I meant cheat off their man to help.
It’s that, too. They overcommit all over the court. Lavin’s teams with Obekpa did, too - but they were better at it.
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@BarstoolReags
Source: Eric Paschall suffered a concussion and is expected to miss tonight's game #ScoopCity
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@BarstoolReags
Source: Eric Paschall suffered a concussion and is expected to miss tonight's game #ScoopCity
4 broken hands and now a concussion...sounds like Nova is doing MMA for conditioning. If Spellman gets into foul trouble they will have some problems.
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Paschall has been playing great in BE play. Will be a big help for us.
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Watch for Bash on Donte tonight similar to defense on Allan of Duke
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Watch for Bash on Donte tonight similar to defense on Allan of Duke
Donte is much better with the ball in his hands than Allan though. Tougher assignment...but I don't count Bash out of anything when he's properly focused.
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I like Simon, but damn his jumper is fugly
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This is actually fun.
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Man Ponds is fun to watch
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I like Simon, but damn his jumper is fugly
Everything he does with the ball is ugly.
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I know we just beat Duke and all but that was probably our best half of basketball in a long time. Played D without fouling and rebounded. Made Nova had to make tough shots. Just have to run Gillespie off the 3 point line.
Know Villanova is going to bring it in the 2nd half and a run is coming, just can't let the train go off the rails.
This sideline reporter is smoking hot
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Great first half. We know that Nova is gonna come out ready and Ponds isn’t getting a put back opportunity like he did before the end of the half. Jay Wright will make his adjustments. We need to be aware that it’s coming. Mullin’s or St.Jean’s half time speech needs to recognize where we were gifted points.
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Has anyone ever played as well for us as Ponds v. top ten teams? This is crazy. He's making a first round pick look like Geno Lawrence.
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please do this...
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Not to go off topic here, but if Ponds does leave for whatever reason after this year it will be a damn shame we got 2 years of him and accomplished nothing. Same goes for if he comes back next year and we only go to the NIT or something. Can't waste a talent like this
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We Are Saint Ponds
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First 4 minutes of the second half are huge
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Great first half. We know that Nova is gonna come out ready and Ponds isn’t getting a put back opportunity like he did before the end of the half. Jay Wright will make his adjustments. We need to be aware that it’s coming. Mullin’s or St.Jean’s half time speech needs to recognize where we were gifted points.
This huge for us. We never make adjustments. Maybe these guys learned something. We dont need a speech. Just have to play smart
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Not to go off topic here, but if Ponds does leave for whatever reason after this year it will be a damn shame we got 2 years of him and accomplished nothing. Same goes for if he comes back next year and we only go to the NIT or something. Can't waste a talent like this
This is exactly what I said this summer and got killed for it for calling Ponds the best players we've had in 20 years.
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Nova looked exhausted just stretch. We are making some ugly shots by bullying through them. Spellman has no gas tank.
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Gotta keep attacking. Ponds won’t miss those again. Find clark a breather before he picks up 2 dumb fouls.
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We cannot miss layups and expect to beat the best team in the country on the road.
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Need to play a perfect 11:25 here
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In case no one has heard, Paschal and Booth aren't playing
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In case no one has heard, Paschal and Booth aren't playing
Very negative, dick
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Spellman is a total liability tired.
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I like Simon, but damn his jumper is fugly
Everything he does with the ball is ugly.
Yeah, he's horrible. You need new basketball glasses
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We got this
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cmon cmon!! so close
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Hopefully not the kiss of death. Anyone else having trouble with the site tonight? Keep getting Gator Error screen.
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Keep Donte off the boards
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Do I hear some let's go johnnies?
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Clark dunk the ball for Christ sakes
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Clark is so miserable
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Clark is so miserable
Useless
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Thatta boy Clark lol
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Simon is a disaster late.
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thank you clark finally
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we got this
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make FTs and double Brunson. Make somebody else do something
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yes
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Clark got a rebound, Baldi
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baseball pass, end this shit
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Inbounding the ball under our own basket with 3 seconds left and no timeouts. Don't push off, don't set a moving screen and throw it deep if you are up against the 5 count
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This is hilarious
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Where's that extension Goff?
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This is really gonna suck when I wake up and realize this actually didn't happen
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WOW
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knew it the whole time
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Crazy! Great win. Happy for the guys.
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Extend Mullin ASAP ;)
Great win. I'm at least a little encouraged for next season if they can return most of their core. Very excited for Saturday's game at Carnasecca bright and early. #WinOut
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#1 and #4 in four days!!! A win Saturday and our season is somehow back in play. 17 wins gets this team in with these last two wins.
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I didn't see the game. I listened to last 3 minutes of the game on satellite radio, and was stunned upon seeing (the score shows up on the face) we were up 4.
A heckuva few days for this group. Kudos! Keep the train rollin'!
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I didn't see the game. I listened to last 3 minutes of the game on satellite radio, and was stunned upon seeing (the score shows up on the face) we were up 4.
A heckuva few days for this group. Kudos! Keep the train rollin'!
Two great wins in a row! Someone has to convince the team Marquette is ranked second or third in the nation.
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https://nypost.com/2018/02/07/st-johns-stuns-no-1-villanova/
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Great win. Let's enjoy it. But let's also cool it with NCAA Tournament talk. It is not happening. Even if we win out during the regular season we'd still have work to do in the BET to get in. Going 4-2 over the last 6 and we have to win BET to get in. 4-2 plus a loss in the BET championship game puts us at an 8-14 overall conference record. That doesn't even put us in the conversation
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http://dalydoseofhoops.blogspot.com/2018/02/listen-final-call-as-st-johns-defeats.html
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If the team finishes over 500, are they NIT bound?
How ironic would that be? From complete disaster to right where the team should be....
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If the team finishes over 500, are they NIT bound?
How ironic would that be? From complete disaster to right where the team should be....
Would think so based on strength of conference and at least two wins over top 5 teams.
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What a win. What a week. Easy group to root for. Ponds needs to stay for junior year!
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Great win. Let's enjoy it. But let's also cool it with NCAA Tournament talk. It is not happening. Even if we win out during the regular season we'd still have work to do in the BET to get in. Going 4-2 over the last 6 and we have to win BET to get in. 4-2 plus a loss in the BET championship game puts us at an 8-14 overall conference record. That doesn't even put us in the conversation
Stop peeing in our Wheaties.
This was an incredible and franky, astonishing win. If you can win at Nova why shouldn’t you believe you can beat anyone? Isn’t that what we want our guys to think?
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#1 and #4 in four days!!! A win Saturday and our season is somehow back in play. 17 wins gets this team in with these last two wins.
As crazy as this sounds, if we get 17 wins, we will be finishing as one of the hottest teams in the country w 2 top 4 wins and near wins agaist #5Xavier, certainly considered good losses. We went from looking like we would be winless in the BE to playing like a final four team. Let’s hope we can continue the momentum. Would definitely help w recruiting and retaining our players. Hard for opposing coaches to negatively recruit after this week.
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There are six games left
Home vs. Marquette, Butler, and Seton Hall
Away vs. Marquette, Depaul and Providence
If you win all of them plus the first round of the big east tournament (and assume a loss in the next round). That puts us at 19-14 (8-12 BE) with one of the best SOS in the country, and two top 5 wins. I would think we'd at least be on the bubble.
I do not expect this to happen, but at least there's a glimmer of hope. If we can beat Nova on the road and Duke we should be able to beat anyone. I just don't think we have the consistency to pull it off. I'm hoping for NIT at this point to salvage what looked like a completely lost season.
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I didn't see the game. I listened to last 3 minutes of the game on satellite radio, and was stunned upon seeing (the score shows up on the face) we were up 4.
A heckuva few days for this group. Kudos! Keep the train rollin'!
Two great wins in a row! Someone has to convince the team Marquette is ranked second or third in the nation.
Tell 'em the 1976-1977 Marquette team will hit the floor on Saturday.
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Great win. Let's enjoy it. But let's also cool it with NCAA Tournament talk. It is not happening. Even if we win out during the regular season we'd still have work to do in the BET to get in. Going 4-2 over the last 6 and we have to win BET to get in. 4-2 plus a loss in the BET championship game puts us at an 8-14 overall conference record. That doesn't even put us in the conversation
Stop peeing in our Wheaties.
This was an incredible and franky, astonishing win. If you can win at Nova why shouldn’t you believe you can beat anyone? Isn’t that what we want our guys to think?
I didn't say anything about who we can or can't beat. All I said was being 1-11 and talking about getting an at large bid to the NCAA Tournament is insane
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Great win. Let's enjoy it. But let's also cool it with NCAA Tournament talk. It is not happening. Even if we win out during the regular season we'd still have work to do in the BET to get in. Going 4-2 over the last 6 and we have to win BET to get in. 4-2 plus a loss in the BET championship game puts us at an 8-14 overall conference record. That doesn't even put us in the conversation
Stop peeing in our Wheaties.
This was an incredible and franky, astonishing win. If you can win at Nova why shouldn’t you believe you can beat anyone? Isn’t that what we want our guys to think?
I didn't say anything about who we can or can't beat. All I said was being 1-11 and talking about getting an at large bid to the NCAA Tournament is insane
I’m not saying we will make the tourney. But if a poster said we would have lost a nail biter to Xavier, than beat Nova and Duke, he would have been considered delusional.
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Great win. Let's enjoy it. But let's also cool it with NCAA Tournament talk. It is not happening. Even if we win out during the regular season we'd still have work to do in the BET to get in. Going 4-2 over the last 6 and we have to win BET to get in. 4-2 plus a loss in the BET championship game puts us at an 8-14 overall conference record. That doesn't even put us in the conversation
You have no idea what you're talking about. We are going to finish with the #1 SOS. 5 wins means a top 45 RPI and a strong finish. Let me know the last time a high major was left out with a top 50 RPI. We have two of the biggest resume wins you can ask for. We also lost a bunch of close games adjusting to losing our second leading scorer. We'd check every box the committee looks for.
Now whether we can go 5-2 or 6-2 is another story.
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You'd have to win the BET, 0-11 is far too big of a hole to dig out of. Now if you kept this up and fell just short of the BE title, you could make an NIT argument, which would be beyond my wildest expectations of where I thought they'd be after 0-11. These were great wins...this one even better than Duke since it was #1 on the road, Big East play. Let's see if it keeps up or if they let down/revert back before we start talking about the postseason in earnest, however. Still it's nice to see great wins after such a poor showing.
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You'd have to win the BET, 0-11 is far too big of a hole to dig out of. Now if you kept this up and fell just short of the BE title, you could make an NIT argument, which would be beyond my wildest expectations of where I thought they'd be after 0-11. These were great wins...this one even better than Duke since it was #1 on the road, Big East play. Let's see if it keeps up or if they let down/revert back before we start talking about the postseason in earnest, however. Still it's nice to see great wins after such a poor showing.
False. Anything over .500 and we're NIT bound. We have the #3 SOS in the country and we will likely have the #1 with a few more wins (so losses to us don't kill our former opponents).
Georgia made it to the dance with a 16-14 record in like 2001 because they had a top 5 SOS. Vanderbilt made it last year with 15 losses because they had a top 50 RPI and strong SOS.
5-1 to finish and 1-1 in the BET likely gets us in the dance. 5-1 and 2-1 guarantees it.
That kind of finish seems incredibly unlikely, but a little positivity after an 0-11 start won't kill anyone.
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Great win hearing from people have not talk in years.
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Great win. Let's enjoy it. But let's also cool it with NCAA Tournament talk. It is not happening. Even if we win out during the regular season we'd still have work to do in the BET to get in. Going 4-2 over the last 6 and we have to win BET to get in. 4-2 plus a loss in the BET championship game puts us at an 8-14 overall conference record. That doesn't even put us in the conversation
You have no idea what you're talking about. We are going to finish with the #1 SOS. 5 wins means a top 45 RPI and a strong finish. Let me know the last time a high major was left out with a top 50 RPI. We have two of the biggest resume wins you can ask for. We also lost a bunch of close games adjusting to losing our second leading scorer. We'd check every box the committee looks for.
Now whether we can go 5-2 or 6-2 is another story.
Ok, let's say for the sake argument we go 4-2 in the last 6 regular season games with the losses @ Marquette and @Providence. That puts us at 5-13. That means we play Wednesday against Georgetown or DePaul. Win that, play Thursday vs Nova or Xavier. Let's say we win that too because why not. Friday night the fatigue from a short rotation shows and we lose to Butler. That puts us at 7-14 in conference and 18-15 overall. That doesn't get us in the conversation.
Last year Providence was 20-12 overall, 10-9 in conference. Barely got them in.
Yes, good wins count for a lot by the committee. But so do bad losses. We have 3 of those right now too.
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Great win. Let's enjoy it. But let's also cool it with NCAA Tournament talk. It is not happening. Even if we win out during the regular season we'd still have work to do in the BET to get in. Going 4-2 over the last 6 and we have to win BET to get in. 4-2 plus a loss in the BET championship game puts us at an 8-14 overall conference record. That doesn't even put us in the conversation
You have no idea what you're talking about. We are going to finish with the #1 SOS. 5 wins means a top 45 RPI and a strong finish. Let me know the last time a high major was left out with a top 50 RPI. We have two of the biggest resume wins you can ask for. We also lost a bunch of close games adjusting to losing our second leading scorer. We'd check every box the committee looks for.
Now whether we can go 5-2 or 6-2 is another story.
Ok, let's say for the sake argument we go 4-2 in the last 6 regular season games with the losses @ Marquette and @Providence. That puts us at 5-13. That means we play Wednesday against Georgetown or DePaul. Win that, play Thursday vs Nova or Xavier. Let's say we win that too because why not. Friday night the fatigue from a short rotation shows and we lose to Butler. That puts us at 7-14 in conference and 18-15 overall. That doesn't get us in the conversation.
Last year Providence was 20-12 overall, 10-9 in conference. Barely got them in.
Yes, good wins count for a lot by the committee. But so do bad losses. We have 3 of those right now too.
Comparing us to Providence last year shows that you don't understand the math. Providence had the #61 RPI and the #50 SOS last year. We would be top 45 RPI and #1 SOS with 6 more wins. The only two good comps would be 16-14 Georgia from over a decade ago and 19-15 Vanderbilt from last year. Both had top 50 RPIs and a top 5 SOS. Wed have that and two February wins over top 5 teams in a 4 day span.
4-2 won't get it done. 5-1 with a BET win or a 6-0 finish regardless of what happens in the BET would get us in.
Again, I don't expect us to win 5-6 to close things out, but you bet your arse there will be an article talking about our chances to dance if we win the next three games and have 2/3 left at home and a date with #10 Depaul in the first round of the BET.
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Great win. Let's enjoy it. But let's also cool it with NCAA Tournament talk. It is not happening. Even if we win out during the regular season we'd still have work to do in the BET to get in. Going 4-2 over the last 6 and we have to win BET to get in. 4-2 plus a loss in the BET championship game puts us at an 8-14 overall conference record. That doesn't even put us in the conversation
You have no idea what you're talking about. We are going to finish with the #1 SOS. 5 wins means a top 45 RPI and a strong finish. Let me know the last time a high major was left out with a top 50 RPI. We have two of the biggest resume wins you can ask for. We also lost a bunch of close games adjusting to losing our second leading scorer. We'd check every box the committee looks for.
Now whether we can go 5-2 or 6-2 is another story.
Ok, let's say for the sake argument we go 4-2 in the last 6 regular season games with the losses @ Marquette and @Providence. That puts us at 5-13. That means we play Wednesday against Georgetown or DePaul. Win that, play Thursday vs Nova or Xavier. Let's say we win that too because why not. Friday night the fatigue from a short rotation shows and we lose to Butler. That puts us at 7-14 in conference and 18-15 overall. That doesn't get us in the conversation.
Last year Providence was 20-12 overall, 10-9 in conference. Barely got them in.
Yes, good wins count for a lot by the committee. But so do bad losses. We have 3 of those right now too.
We have to run the table for the rest of the year and win at least 1 game in the big east tournament to even have an shot. That would put us at 19-14 overall with wins against Duke, Villanova on the road, Seton Hall, Marquette (twice), PC on the road, and Butler.
That to me may get us in. Anything other than that I think we'd be out barring winning the Big East tournament which we simply do not have the depth to do in my opinion. You can't play 6 guys and win 4 games in 4 days against top competition. So basically we have to win out for the regular season. I have no expectation of that happening, but hey, we had a 0.3% of winning the past two games so you never know.....
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http://dalydoseofhoops.blogspot.com/2018/02/st-johns-reaps-rewards-for-struggle-in.html
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Two great wins in a row! Someone has to convince the team Marquette is ranked second or third in the nation.
+100
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An incredible 5 days that one could only dream about. Gonna remember this week for a long time.
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https://nypost.com/2018/02/07/st-johns-stuns-no-1-villanova/
There was no wild celebration after the victory. A few players exited the locker room with smiles, but nothing over the top. St. John’s is just getting started.
“We can’t go backwards,” Ponds said. “We have to keep going up and up.”
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One game at a time, gotta take out Marquette
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Clark and Simon were to this game what’ve Tariq’s and Ahmed were vs Duke. Shamorie is shamorie. Collectively rebound and keep up solid shot selection and our 5 can play with anyone.
Clark chose a hell of a time to grab some big boards. Keep it up Big fella.
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Keeping the players’ heads up during such a challenging season is something you have to commend staff for. Mullin may not be Wooden, but he never had any quit in him as a player & that quality clearly was evident in his players during this “death march”. We’ll see how his tenure evolves, but for now kudos for holding this together.
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What a game! Great game plan also attacking Spellman when he switched onto a guard.
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Clark is not perfect, but spirited guy:
https://twitter.com/b_rabold/status/961477394417713152
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These wins are quite the bright spot on what had been for me the most gut wrenching season to watch for me as a fan. It's been clear all year that this team could play and had talent. That's why 0-11 hurt so bad. Winning these last two were sweet.
Regarding the tournament, how can anyone completely rule it out after we just beat Duke and Nova in a row? I want our guys to believe they can win the BET, which quite honestly, I can't even rule out after how they've played the last 2 games.
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Realistically, NIT is a possibility. Which should be looked at as a successful season, especially after starting 0-11.
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The biggest things you can take from this past week are:
1)The team has not quit in any way shape or form. That is a credit to Chris and the staff. That doesn't excuse the 0-11 start but it shows that people who actually thought he would resign or wanted to be somewhere else were wrong. He is 100% into this. That is big. As Tierney tweeted last night, CM did not come back to his alma mater to be embarrassed. His goal was to make SJU relevant again Nationally. Has not been the smoothest ride but we may be seeing it finally turn now. And he is not quitting until that happens.
2)The argument that they are close because of close losses has much more credibility now than before. If you win 4-5 then you can plausibly argue that they were a play or two away in 4-5 more games, Heck can you imagine if they made a play or two late at home against Xavier, you could have had 3 straight wins in a week over top 5 teams...
3)The 2 year plan is now not just a plan but becoming a clearer reality. Now if they hold the class together and keep the core (Ponds, Clark, Owens, Simon etc) the significant jump they can make next year doesn't look so daunting...
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Great win. Only took 15 3’s. Out rebounded nova. Held them to 24 percent from 3. Great win. Certainly an upset. But we didn’t look like any Cinderella last night. Brunson is really good. Ponds was also.
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The biggest things you can take from this past week are:
1)The team has not quit in any way shape or form. That is a credit to Chris and the staff. That doesn't excuse the 0-11 start but it shows that people who actually thought he would resign or wanted to be somewhere else were wrong. He is 100% into this. That is big. As Tierney tweeted last night, CM did not come back to his alma mater to be embarrassed. His goal was to make SJU relevant again Nationally. Has not been the smoothest ride but we may be seeing it finally turn now. And he is not quitting until that happens.
2)The argument that they are close because of close losses has much more credibility now than before. If you win 4-5 then you can plausibly argue that they were a play or two away in 4-5 more games, Heck can you imagine if they made a play or two late at home against Xavier, you could have had 3 straight wins in a week over top 5 teams...
3)The 2 year plan is now not just a plan but becoming a clearer reality. Now if they hold the class together and keep the core (Ponds, Clark, Owens, Simon etc) the significant jump they can make next year doesn't look so daunting...
My opinion is changing. Nothing lucky about our last 2 wins. Hoping the staff figured somethings out. Excited for Saturday.
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Great win. Let's enjoy it. But let's also cool it with NCAA Tournament talk. It is not happening. Even if we win out during the regular season we'd still have work to do in the BET to get in. Going 4-2 over the last 6 and we have to win BET to get in. 4-2 plus a loss in the BET championship game puts us at an 8-14 overall conference record. That doesn't even put us in the conversation
You have no idea what you're talking about. We are going to finish with the #1 SOS. 5 wins means a top 45 RPI and a strong finish. Let me know the last time a high major was left out with a top 50 RPI. We have two of the biggest resume wins you can ask for. We also lost a bunch of close games adjusting to losing our second leading scorer. We'd check every box the committee looks for.
Now whether we can go 5-2 or 6-2 is another story.
Ok, let's say for the sake argument we go 4-2 in the last 6 regular season games with the losses @ Marquette and @Providence. That puts us at 5-13. That means we play Wednesday against Georgetown or DePaul. Win that, play Thursday vs Nova or Xavier. Let's say we win that too because why not. Friday night the fatigue from a short rotation shows and we lose to Butler. That puts us at 7-14 in conference and 18-15 overall. That doesn't get us in the conversation.
Last year Providence was 20-12 overall, 10-9 in conference. Barely got them in.
Yes, good wins count for a lot by the committee. But so do bad losses. We have 3 of those right now too.
Comparing us to Providence last year shows that you don't understand the math. Providence had the #61 RPI and the #50 SOS last year. We would be top 45 RPI and #1 SOS with 6 more wins. The only two good comps would be 16-14 Georgia from over a decade ago and 19-15 Vanderbilt from last year. Both had top 50 RPIs and a top 5 SOS. Wed have that and two February wins over top 5 teams in a 4 day span.
4-2 won't get it done. 5-1 with a BET win or a 6-0 finish regardless of what happens in the BET would get us in.
Again, I don't expect us to win 5-6 to close things out, but you bet your arse there will be an article talking about our chances to dance if we win the next three games and have 2/3 left at home and a date with #10 Depaul in the first round of the BET.
What exactly is "the math ?"
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The biggest things you can take from this past week are:
1)The team has not quit in any way shape or form. That is a credit to Chris and the staff. That doesn't excuse the 0-11 start but it shows that people who actually thought he would resign or wanted to be somewhere else were wrong. He is 100% into this. That is big. As Tierney tweeted last night, CM did not come back to his alma mater to be embarrassed. His goal was to make SJU relevant again Nationally. Has not been the smoothest ride but we may be seeing it finally turn now. And he is not quitting until that happens.
2)The argument that they are close because of close losses has much more credibility now than before. If you win 4-5 then you can plausibly argue that they were a play or two away in 4-5 more games, Heck can you imagine if they made a play or two late at home against Xavier, you could have had 3 straight wins in a week over top 5 teams...
3)The 2 year plan is now not just a plan but becoming a clearer reality. Now if they hold the class together and keep the core (Ponds, Clark, Owens, Simon etc) the significant jump they can make next year doesn't look so daunting...
My opinion is changing. Nothing lucky about our last 2 wins. Hoping the staff figured somethings out. Excited for Saturday.
See that is surprising. Usually really, really dumb people are so set in their ways that they simply are unable to change. But I guess beating the number 4 and number 1 teams back to back can reach even the feeblest mind.
Good for you Tony
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The biggest things you can take from this past week are:
1)The team has not quit in any way shape or form. That is a credit to Chris and the staff. That doesn't excuse the 0-11 start but it shows that people who actually thought he would resign or wanted to be somewhere else were wrong. He is 100% into this. That is big. As Tierney tweeted last night, CM did not come back to his alma mater to be embarrassed. His goal was to make SJU relevant again Nationally. Has not been the smoothest ride but we may be seeing it finally turn now. And he is not quitting until that happens.
2)The argument that they are close because of close losses has much more credibility now than before. If you win 4-5 then you can plausibly argue that they were a play or two away in 4-5 more games, Heck can you imagine if they made a play or two late at home against Xavier, you could have had 3 straight wins in a week over top 5 teams...
3)The 2 year plan is now not just a plan but becoming a clearer reality. Now if they hold the class together and keep the core (Ponds, Clark, Owens, Simon etc) the significant jump they can make next year doesn't look so daunting...
My opinion is changing. Nothing lucky about our last 2 wins. Hoping the staff figured somethings out. Excited for Saturday.
See that is surprising. Usually really, really dumb people are so set in their ways that they simply are unable to change. But I guess beating the number 4 and number 1 teams back to back can reach even the feeblest mind.
Good for you Tony
Does that mean I finally get a pass?
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St John's Villanova recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
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Great win. Let's enjoy it. But let's also cool it with NCAA Tournament talk. It is not happening. Even if we win out during the regular season we'd still have work to do in the BET to get in. Going 4-2 over the last 6 and we have to win BET to get in. 4-2 plus a loss in the BET championship game puts us at an 8-14 overall conference record. That doesn't even put us in the conversation
You have no idea what you're talking about. We are going to finish with the #1 SOS. 5 wins means a top 45 RPI and a strong finish. Let me know the last time a high major was left out with a top 50 RPI. We have two of the biggest resume wins you can ask for. We also lost a bunch of close games adjusting to losing our second leading scorer. We'd check every box the committee looks for.
Now whether we can go 5-2 or 6-2 is another story.
Ok, let's say for the sake argument we go 4-2 in the last 6 regular season games with the losses @ Marquette and @Providence. That puts us at 5-13. That means we play Wednesday against Georgetown or DePaul. Win that, play Thursday vs Nova or Xavier. Let's say we win that too because why not. Friday night the fatigue from a short rotation shows and we lose to Butler. That puts us at 7-14 in conference and 18-15 overall. That doesn't get us in the conversation.
Last year Providence was 20-12 overall, 10-9 in conference. Barely got them in.
Yes, good wins count for a lot by the committee. But so do bad losses. We have 3 of those right now too.
Comparing us to Providence last year shows that you don't understand the math. Providence had the #61 RPI and the #50 SOS last year. We would be top 45 RPI and #1 SOS with 6 more wins. The only two good comps would be 16-14 Georgia from over a decade ago and 19-15 Vanderbilt from last year. Both had top 50 RPIs and a top 5 SOS. Wed have that and two February wins over top 5 teams in a 4 day span.
4-2 won't get it done. 5-1 with a BET win or a 6-0 finish regardless of what happens in the BET would get us in.
Again, I don't expect us to win 5-6 to close things out, but you bet your arse there will be an article talking about our chances to dance if we win the next three games and have 2/3 left at home and a date with #10 Depaul in the first round of the BET.
The 16-14 Georgia team didn't go to the NCAA Tournament. Last year's Vanderbilt team was 12-9 in conference.
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Great win. Let's enjoy it. But let's also cool it with NCAA Tournament talk. It is not happening. Even if we win out during the regular season we'd still have work to do in the BET to get in. Going 4-2 over the last 6 and we have to win BET to get in. 4-2 plus a loss in the BET championship game puts us at an 8-14 overall conference record. That doesn't even put us in the conversation
You have no idea what you're talking about. We are going to finish with the #1 SOS. 5 wins means a top 45 RPI and a strong finish. Let me know the last time a high major was left out with a top 50 RPI. We have two of the biggest resume wins you can ask for. We also lost a bunch of close games adjusting to losing our second leading scorer. We'd check every box the committee looks for.
Now whether we can go 5-2 or 6-2 is another story.
Ok, let's say for the sake argument we go 4-2 in the last 6 regular season games with the losses @ Marquette and @Providence. That puts us at 5-13. That means we play Wednesday against Georgetown or DePaul. Win that, play Thursday vs Nova or Xavier. Let's say we win that too because why not. Friday night the fatigue from a short rotation shows and we lose to Butler. That puts us at 7-14 in conference and 18-15 overall. That doesn't get us in the conversation.
Last year Providence was 20-12 overall, 10-9 in conference. Barely got them in.
Yes, good wins count for a lot by the committee. But so do bad losses. We have 3 of those right now too.
Comparing us to Providence last year shows that you don't understand the math. Providence had the #61 RPI and the #50 SOS last year. We would be top 45 RPI and #1 SOS with 6 more wins. The only two good comps would be 16-14 Georgia from over a decade ago and 19-15 Vanderbilt from last year. Both had top 50 RPIs and a top 5 SOS. Wed have that and two February wins over top 5 teams in a 4 day span.
4-2 won't get it done. 5-1 with a BET win or a 6-0 finish regardless of what happens in the BET would get us in.
Again, I don't expect us to win 5-6 to close things out, but you bet your arse there will be an article talking about our chances to dance if we win the next three games and have 2/3 left at home and a date with #10 Depaul in the first round of the BET.
The 16-14 Georgia team didn't go to the NCAA Tournament. Last year's Vanderbilt team was 12-9 in conference.
The only reason the Georgia team (from a decade ago) went to the Tournament because they won the SEC Tournament.
IMO, the only way we get in is to run the table in conference play and win a game (or two) in the conference tournament. If we're not able to win out, then we're gonna have to win the Big East Tournament.
I'm not hopeful of the NCAA's, so I'm thinking more of our chances of participating in the NIT.
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need to win out 18-13 (7-11) then need to go 1-1 or 2-1 in big east conference .....19/20-14 will get us in the tournament ....lets enjoy this and take it one game at a time!! Bring on Marquette!!! Fun 5 days to be a St John's fan lets keep it going!
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No I think Marillac is talking about the 2000-1 Georgia team coached by Jim Herrick. They made the Tourney at 16-14. That is the fewest wins of any at large team.
That team however was 9-7 in the SEC, meaning they had a winning league record. Also their RPI was ridiculous, I believe it was top 20. So the committee had a choice leave out the highest RPI from a power conference or invite the fewest wins team from a power conference. They chose the latter.
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St John's Villanova recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
At the 1:43 mark in the video of that other historic MSG win vs. Dook, look who we find in the MSG stands! Coach Mullin!
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I think if the Lovett not playing news had broke earlier, the staff and team would have regrouped sooner and won 3 or 4 of those games. The Lovett uncertainty and then sudden announcement really derailed things.
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We'd have to run the table, and lose in the BET championship game to get an at large bid. And even then we'd probably be a bubble team.
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We'd have to run the table, and lose in the BET championship game to get an at large bid. And even then we'd probably be a bubble team.
All of these are far fetched and hypotheticals but if you think we’d only be a bubble team after winnin what would be at least 8 straight with some road wins and ranked teams along the way you’re nuts. Our rpi and sos would make us shoe ins.
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We'd have to run the table, and lose in the BET championship game to get an at large bid. And even then we'd probably be a bubble team.
I think we would have a shot if we went 5-1 and lost BET championship game. If we run the table then lose title game I think we would get in. But conference record would be the issue even running the table.
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St John's Villanova recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
At the 1:43 mark in the video of that other historic MSG win vs. Dook, look who we find in the MSG stands! Coach Mullin!
St John's Villanova recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
At the 1:43 mark in the video of that other historic MSG win vs. Dook, look who we find in the MSG stands! Coach Mullin!
Foad-good write and thanks for including that 2003 video; remember it and the Garden going crazy
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We'd have to run the table, and lose in the BET championship game to get an at large bid. And even then we'd probably be a bubble team.
so you think if we run the table and lose in BET with a 21-14 record with wins over Duke Nova, seton hall, butler, 2x Marq and Nebraska and say hypothetical (Depaul, Xavier and Creighton) in big east tourney and lose nova in championship we would be still only bubble? i think thats more like a lock 11-1 last 12 games....again what are chances that happens or we do that but hey its fun to dream!!
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Clark is not perfect, but spirited guy:
https://twitter.com/b_rabold/status/961477394417713152
We're 1 and 11. The last thing we need is bulletin board material.
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We'd have to run the table, and lose in the BET championship game to get an at large bid. And even then we'd probably be a bubble team.
so you think if we run the table and lose in BET with a 21-14 record with wins over Duke Nova, seton hall, butler, 2x Marq and Nebraska and say hypothetical (Depaul, Xavier and Creighton) in big east tourney and lose nova in championship we would be still only bubble? i think thats more like a lock 11-1 last 12 games....again what are chances that happens or we do that but hey its fun to dream!!
I think it would be very tough to overcome a losing conference record. Has there ever been a team with a losing conference record that was considered much more than a bubble team?
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Coach will be on the Michael Kay Show at 4:30
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We'd have to run the table, and lose in the BET championship game to get an at large bid. And even then we'd probably be a bubble team.
so you think if we run the table and lose in BET with a 21-14 record with wins over Duke Nova, seton hall, butler, 2x Marq and Nebraska and say hypothetical (Depaul, Xavier and Creighton) in big east tourney and lose nova in championship we would be still only bubble? i think thats more like a lock 11-1 last 12 games....again what are chances that happens or we do that but hey its fun to dream!!
I think it would be very tough to overcome a losing conference record. Has there ever been a team with a losing conference record that was considered much more than a bubble team?
Not only will we have a losing record we'll be 5-7 games under at best
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We'd have to run the table, and lose in the BET championship game to get an at large bid. And even then we'd probably be a bubble team.
so you think if we run the table and lose in BET with a 21-14 record with wins over Duke Nova, seton hall, butler, 2x Marq and Nebraska and say hypothetical (Depaul, Xavier and Creighton) in big east tourney and lose nova in championship we would be still only bubble? i think thats more like a lock 11-1 last 12 games....again what are chances that happens or we do that but hey its fun to dream!!
I think it would be very tough to overcome a losing conference record. Has there ever been a team with a losing conference record that was considered much more than a bubble team?
Not only will we have a losing record we'll be 5-7 games under at best
Where do you get 5-7 under at best from?
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When you remove Booth and Paschall from Villanova we're the better team. All of the ingredients made last night ripe for an upset, once I heard the Paschall news I really started to get excited pregame. The building was still hungover from the Super Bowl, the weather sucked, and they were down two starters. We proved we could hang in w their full roster weeks before and they were the better team on the floor all night long yesterday.
The past 5 days have changed the season around in remarkable fashion. We were looking at 10-15 (0-12), to be now @12-13 (1-11) and the talk of the country is remarkable. You couldn't of scripted a better timed surge in Year3 of Mullin. Everything has now changed--perception, recruiting, and most importantly more life this season.
These wins more than anything have gifted us the ability to be able to surpass last season's win total, have another year end winning record, and play in the post season. We all deserve this after the rebuild we've been through and the January we all experienced together. Hat tip to the players, who's resiliency is a life lesson for anyone. You never give up belief in yourself no matter the circumstances. Get me to Saturday!
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I'm expecting a beatdown.
Thank God. Not sure if some of the St Johns fans here could handle another top 5 win. There would be a battle royal. Winner gets anal
Well.... We haven't seen you around today, Baldi. Did you take yourself up on your own words? LOL Just clownin'.
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We'd have to run the table, and lose in the BET championship game to get an at large bid. And even then we'd probably be a bubble team.
so you think if we run the table and lose in BET with a 21-14 record with wins over Duke Nova, seton hall, butler, 2x Marq and Nebraska and say hypothetical (Depaul, Xavier and Creighton) in big east tourney and lose nova in championship we would be still only bubble? i think thats more like a lock 11-1 last 12 games....again what are chances that happens or we do that but hey its fun to dream!!
I think it would be very tough to overcome a losing conference record. Has there ever been a team with a losing conference record that was considered much more than a bubble team?
Not only will we have a losing record we'll be 5-7 games under at best
Where do you get 5-7 under at best from?
If we go 4-2 in last 6 regular season and 2-1 in the BET which is a generous assumption, that puts us at 7 games under
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We'd have to run the table, and lose in the BET championship game to get an at large bid. And even then we'd probably be a bubble team.
so you think if we run the table and lose in BET with a 21-14 record with wins over Duke Nova, seton hall, butler, 2x Marq and Nebraska and say hypothetical (Depaul, Xavier and Creighton) in big east tourney and lose nova in championship we would be still only bubble? i think thats more like a lock 11-1 last 12 games....again what are chances that happens or we do that but hey its fun to dream!!
I think it would be very tough to overcome a losing conference record. Has there ever been a team with a losing conference record that was considered much more than a bubble team?
Not only will we have a losing record we'll be 5-7 games under at best
Where do you get 5-7 under at best from?
If we go 4-2 in last 6 regular season and 2-1 in the BET which is a generous assumption, that puts us at 7 games under
Gottya. The scenario referenced was run the table and lose in conference finals.
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I'm expecting a beatdown.
Thank God. Not sure if some of the St Johns fans here could handle another top 5 win. There would be a battle royal. Winner gets anal
Well.... We haven't seen you around today, Baldi. Did you take yourself up on your own words? LOL Just clownin'.
Been traveling since 3am. Jackson Hole
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Another mental black passed was that Wright try to psych out the team by purposely fouling them with a lot of time on the clock. They weren’t perfect but they were clutch enough.
CA should be rocking again so hopefully this will give the team enough juice to notcome out sluggish and end up trying to play catch up the whole game. It would’ve great to keep the buzz going and be at 500.
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We'd have to run the table, and lose in the BET championship game to get an at large bid. And even then we'd probably be a bubble team.
so you think if we run the table and lose in BET with a 21-14 record with wins over Duke Nova, seton hall, butler, 2x Marq and Nebraska and say hypothetical (Depaul, Xavier and Creighton) in big east tourney and lose nova in championship we would be still only bubble? i think thats more like a lock 11-1 last 12 games....again what are chances that happens or we do that but hey its fun to dream!!
I think it would be very tough to overcome a losing conference record. Has there ever been a team with a losing conference record that was considered much more than a bubble team?
Not only will we have a losing record we'll be 5-7 games under at best
Where do you get 5-7 under at best from?
If we go 4-2 in last 6 regular season and 2-1 in the BET which is a generous assumption, that puts us at 7 games under
4-2 isn't an option. It's 6-0 or 5-1 with a win or two in the BET. You're focusing on win-loss instead of SOS and categories of losses. That is what the committee prioritized. Nearly all of our losses in either scenario above would be consisered a "quadrant 1" loss. ON PAPER we played one of the toughest seasons college basketball has ever seen.
I'd be ecstatic with a .500 finish and NIT invite after the way things started in conference play, but I'd love to see these kids rattle off 5-6 wins in a row with this new do or die mentality.
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BTW Donte looks like a different player when he isn't the 4th or 5th option doesn't he? It's not easy shouldering responsibility like that.
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BTW Donte looks like a different player when he isn't the 4th or 5th option doesn't he? It's not easy shouldering responsibility like that.
Yeah he was exposed but they had another just random white guy sharpshooter ready. Where do these guys even come from
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BTW Donte looks like a different player when he isn't the 4th or 5th option doesn't he? It's not easy shouldering responsibility like that.
Yeah he was exposed but they had another just random white guy sharpshooter ready. Where do these guys even come from
It's that role that's so dangerous. Donte killed us in it. Gillespie did some damage too last night. Brunson is a beast. Spellman, when he's not tired, is a beast, and Bridges is a lottery pick. Someone is going to get looks with that many options. Nova always has a back-breaking # of options.
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BTW Donte looks like a different player when he isn't the 4th or 5th option doesn't he? It's not easy shouldering responsibility like that.
He’ll come off the bench in the NBDL with Grayson.
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Lets just hope we finish strong and make the NIT. If Ponds continues to play like this then we will win some games.
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I'm expecting a beatdown.
Thank God. Not sure if some of the St Johns fans here could handle another top 5 win. There would be a battle royal. Winner gets anal
Well.... We haven't seen you around today, Baldi. Did you take yourself up on your own words? LOL Just clownin'.
Been traveling since 3am. Jackson Hole
"JACKSON'S HOLE" - anal reference
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Reality check here. No team with 15 losses has ever received an at large bid. I'm betting no team with an 11 game losing streak has either. Choice is simple. Wow the committee by winning out in the regular season and at least 2 in the BET or win the BET. No other options, #1 SOS or not. And getting into the NIT is going to require being at least a couple games over .500 as well. At present the RPI/Committee record is still 11-13, Molloy doesn't count. That means 5-1 finish and 1-1 BET to even make the NIT.
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Reality check here. No team with 15 losses has ever received an at large bid. I'm betting no team with an 11 game losing streak has either. Choice is simple. Wow the committee by winning out in the regular season and at least 2 in the BET or win the BET. No other options, #1 SOS or not. And getting into the NIT is going to require being at least a couple games over .500 as well. At present the RPI/Committee record is still 11-13, Molloy doesn't count. That means 5-1 finish and 1-1 BET to even make the NIT.
Thanks wet blanket.
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Reality check here. No team with 15 losses has ever received an at large bid.
Vanderbilt got an at large bid with 15 losses just last season. Are you serious?
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Reality check here. No team with 15 losses has ever received an at large bid. I'm betting no team with an 11 game losing streak has either. Choice is simple. Wow the committee by winning out in the regular season and at least 2 in the BET or win the BET. No other options, #1 SOS or not. And getting into the NIT is going to require being at least a couple games over .500 as well. At present the RPI/Committee record is still 11-13, Molloy doesn't count. That means 5-1 finish and 1-1 BET to even make the NIT.
Could you possibly squeeze anymore wrong into one post? You think we need to go 5-1 and 1-1 to make the NIT!!!! Have you ever heard of RPI before? 5-1 and 1-1 is a goddamn #1 seed in the NIT if we aren't in the dance. Some of you are just clueless.
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Reality check here. No team with 15 losses has ever received an at large bid. I'm betting no team with an 11 game losing streak has either. Choice is simple. Wow the committee by winning out in the regular season and at least 2 in the BET or win the BET. No other options, #1 SOS or not. And getting into the NIT is going to require being at least a couple games over .500 as well. At present the RPI/Committee record is still 11-13, Molloy doesn't count. That means 5-1 finish and 1-1 BET to even make the NIT.
Could you possibly squeeze anymore wrong into one post? You think we need to go 5-1 and 1-1 to make the NIT!!!! Have you ever heard of RPI before? 5-1 and 1-1 is a goddamn #1 seed in the NIT if we aren't in the dance. Some of you are just clueless.
There is no way a team that went 7-13 in their conference with 2 losses to Georgetown and a loss to DePaul is even in the conversation for the NCAA Tournament. RPI is just one of like 8 things the committee will look at this year.
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Reality check here. No team with 15 losses has ever received an at large bid. I'm betting no team with an 11 game losing streak has either. Choice is simple. Wow the committee by winning out in the regular season and at least 2 in the BET or win the BET. No other options, #1 SOS or not. And getting into the NIT is going to require being at least a couple games over .500 as well. At present the RPI/Committee record is still 11-13, Molloy doesn't count. That means 5-1 finish and 1-1 BET to even make the NIT.
Could you possibly squeeze anymore wrong into one post? You think we need to go 5-1 and 1-1 to make the NIT!!!! Have you ever heard of RPI before? 5-1 and 1-1 is a goddamn #1 seed in the NIT if we aren't in the dance. Some of you are just clueless.
There is no way a team that went 7-13 in their conference with 2 losses to Georgetown and a loss to DePaul is even in the conversation for the NCAA Tournament. RPI is just one of like 8 things the committee will look at this year.
Agreed. Georgia was 9-7 in the SEC in 2001 and Vandy was 10-8 last year in SEC, the
All but impossible to make it with a league record 4+ games under .500 and with 3 bad losses against non-top 100 RPI teams.
Let's stop NCAA and NIT talk. Let's just get a few wins and hold the class together and set up for strong 2019 class. There is hope but let's not get carried away. If it happens fine but the NIT or NCAA is not the current short term goal.
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SJU finishes over 500 they will make the NIT. If they finish with momentum they will be fun to watch, and the NIT will be inclined to have them in the tournament.
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Nobody wants to face St Johns now at the Garden in the Big East tournament. Win the tournament
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Reality check here. No team with 15 losses has ever received an at large bid. I'm betting no team with an 11 game losing streak has either. Choice is simple. Wow the committee by winning out in the regular season and at least 2 in the BET or win the BET. No other options, #1 SOS or not. And getting into the NIT is going to require being at least a couple games over .500 as well. At present the RPI/Committee record is still 11-13, Molloy doesn't count. That means 5-1 finish and 1-1 BET to even make the NIT.
Could you possibly squeeze anymore wrong into one post? You think we need to go 5-1 and 1-1 to make the NIT!!!! Have you ever heard of RPI before? 5-1 and 1-1 is a goddamn #1 seed in the NIT if we aren't in the dance. Some of you are just clueless.
There is no way a team that went 7-13 in their conference with 2 losses to Georgetown and a loss to DePaul is even in the conversation for the NCAA Tournament. RPI is just one of like 8 things the committee will look at this year.
Agreed. Georgia was 9-7 in the SEC in 2001 and Vandy was 10-8 last year in SEC, the
All but impossible to make it with a league record 4+ games under .500 and with 3 bad losses against non-top 100 RPI teams.
Let's stop NCAA and NIT talk. Let's just get a few wins and hold the class together and set up for strong 2019 class. There is hope but let's not get carried away. If it happens fine but the NIT or NCAA is not the current short term goal.
The NCAA is not the goal? Have you ever competed in an organized sport a day in your life? I guaran-#$%^ing-tee you every member of that team and staff is only thinking about the NCAA right now. They have a path via at large bid or automatic berth despite what some uninformed posters write. What is Ahmed's two year plan? Back against the wall...one game at a time.
As for giving up on the NIT, here is last year's field:
TCU 6-12 conference record (won the NIT) as a six seed
Clemson 7-11 conference record and 17-15 overall RPI of 71 got a two seed!
Indiana 7-12 conference record 18-15 overall and got a three seed
Ga Tech 8-10 conference record 17-15 overall
Illinois 8-10 conference record 18-14 overall
And the highest RPI out of that group was 52 by TCU and only Illinois was lower than 70 (60).
None of them had a SOS inside the top 25!
5 wins makes us a clear cut #1 seed in the NIT. Stop being nice persons.
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Nobody wants to face St Johns now at the Garden in the Big East tournament. Win the tournament
I'd like to see how we fare the rest of the season before that proclamation. I also believe this is where our lack of depth would likely show up, as we'd have to play 4 games in 4 days. That might be a bit too much. If we finish in the 8 or 9 spot (who plays in the 7pm game) in the conference, then that guarantees the 'noon game the following day. If we finish last or in 7th place (9pm game), then a game the following night at 7pm is the better deal.
Maybe, we can catch up and end up in 7th. Winning tomorrow afternoon would be a start.
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One at a time. NIT more than fine considering the crater we dug. At this point finishing well & setting tone for a solid next season is fine by me. Beating a sweating, screaming Wojo is step 1.
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One at a time. NIT more than fine considering the crater we dug. At this point finishing well & setting tone for a solid next season is fine by me. Beating a sweating, screaming Wojo is step 1.
Very tired of hearing/ saying "next year is the year" but 100% agree id be very happy with nit this year considering the start we had to conference play.
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Reality check here. No team with 15 losses has ever received an at large bid. I'm betting no team with an 11 game losing streak has either. Choice is simple. Wow the committee by winning out in the regular season and at least 2 in the BET or win the BET. No other options, #1 SOS or not. And getting into the NIT is going to require being at least a couple games over .500 as well. At present the RPI/Committee record is still 11-13, Molloy doesn't count. That means 5-1 finish and 1-1 BET to even make the NIT.
Could you possibly squeeze anymore wrong into one post? You think we need to go 5-1 and 1-1 to make the NIT!!!! Have you ever heard of RPI before? 5-1 and 1-1 is a goddamn #1 seed in the NIT if we aren't in the dance. Some of you are just clueless.
There is no way a team that went 7-13 in their conference with 2 losses to Georgetown and a loss to DePaul is even in the conversation for the NCAA Tournament. RPI is just one of like 8 things the committee will look at this year.
Agreed. Georgia was 9-7 in the SEC in 2001 and Vandy was 10-8 last year in SEC, the
All but impossible to make it with a league record 4+ games under .500 and with 3 bad losses against non-top 100 RPI teams.
Let's stop NCAA and NIT talk. Let's just get a few wins and hold the class together and set up for strong 2019 class. There is hope but let's not get carried away. If it happens fine but the NIT or NCAA is not the current short term goal.
The NCAA is not the goal? Have you ever competed in an organized sport a day in your life? I guaran-#$%^ing-tee you every member of that team and staff is only thinking about the NCAA right now. They have a path via at large bid or automatic berth despite what some uninformed posters write. What is Ahmed's two year plan? Back against the wall...one game at a time.
As for giving up on the NIT, here is last year's field:
TCU 6-12 conference record (won the NIT) as a six seed
Clemson 7-11 conference record and 17-15 overall RPI of 71 got a two seed!
Indiana 7-12 conference record 18-15 overall and got a three seed
Ga Tech 8-10 conference record 17-15 overall
Illinois 8-10 conference record 18-14 overall
And the highest RPI out of that group was 52 by TCU and only Illinois was lower than 70 (60).
None of them had a SOS inside the top 25!
5 wins makes us a clear cut #1 seed in the NIT. Stop being nice persons.
Re my original post I was talking about the crazy talk about the dance. TO get there you have to agree that 19 wins (win out and 3 in BET) or winning the BET is the only path to being a bubble team.
Re the rest of my post, 5-1, 1-1 would make them 17-15 (not counting Molloy). Not a chance at the dance even with 2 marquee wins. I did say that record likely gets them into the NIT, though I doubt they will be a #1, those are traditionally bubble teams, but one less win or one more loss and even the NIT is doubtful.
Also, re 15 losses it must have been Vanderbilt starting the conversation last year that made me think there were none, but you're right there was one. They did have 19 wins though.
Sorry for the weird looking post, if it is weird looking, in these times of reduced functionality I can't seem to get the quote button to work.
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I want to be clear: I don't think we will go 5-0 or 4-1 to finish the year. However, there has never been a team with the resume we would have if we did. The committtee has implemented a new way to classify wins and losses this year, seemingly opwning the door for the first 16 loss team if they played a hard schedule and away from home. It classifies wins and losses into one of four quadrants with one being best and four being worst. Nearly all of our losses are quadrant 1. We have no quadrant 4 losses -- although dePaul is close.
We have the most neutral court games in the country. We will finish with the strongest SOS in the country if we win 5-6 more games (we are currently at #3). The committee would be full of sh*t to deny St. John's is they didn't let us in at 18-14 or 19-15with the #1 SOS and at top 45 RPI after talking about how important playing away from home and playing a tough schedule was going to be beginning this year. Also, conference record is not specifically listed on their criteria. 7-11 usually means teams are out because the RPI isn't good and they didn't go 11-3 in the OOC. We've improved our RPI 40 spots in a week to #68. Wins at Depaul and Marquette would put us in the high 40's with three games left against good RPI opponents.
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I think the formula for a bubble discussion would be anywhere from 4-5 wins over this final stretch + a BET run of atleast 2 wins.
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I was most negative. Very positive now . Let’s beat depaull
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I think the formula for a bubble discussion would be anywhere from 4-5 wins over this final stretch + a BET run of atleast 2 wins.
Reasonable position.
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Nobody wants to face St Johns now at the Garden in the Big East tournament. Win the tournament
Bingo. Forget this NIT talk. We just beat Duke and Nova, almost beat Xavier, and then didn't show a let down and beat Marquette. Keep the streak alive - not because of some miracle that will get us in as an at large - so that we're rolling when the BET starts. A strong St John's team playing at home has an advantage --- let's just win the damn tourney and force them to take us to the dance.
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Right know all I am hoping is they beat Depaul tonight. They have to take 1 game at a time.
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Nobody wants to face St Johns now at the Garden in the Big East tournament. Win the tournament
Bingo. Forget this NIT talk. We just beat Duke and Nova, almost beat Xavier, and then didn't show a let down and beat Marquette. Keep the streak alive - not because of some miracle that will get us in as an at large - so that we're rolling when the BET starts. A strong St John's team playing at home has an advantage --- let's just win the damn tourney and force them to take us to the dance.
Hope you're right and hope Ponds goes all Kemba in the BET but going to be extremely tough to play 160 minutes of great basketball over 4 days with 6 players against at least 3 really good teams
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