6th Man of St. John's Basketball

St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting => 2019 Class => Topic started by: QuanMan on November 09, 2018, 02:40:03 PM

Title: Ian Steere - PF - NC State - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: QuanMan on November 09, 2018, 02:40:03 PM
NCST freshman who is highly rumored to be transferring, Matt started following him today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWii--TSrOA

Fwiw he played in their game against Mt. St. Mary's this week, lets see what it means for his eligibility. Kid looks like a beast who we can use next Winter.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: wpc77 on November 09, 2018, 03:24:19 PM
Committed to Creighton, decommited from Creighton, courted heavily by Louisville, then committed to NC State.   All 3 schools feature prominently in the recent scandal.

Careful!
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: wpc77 on November 09, 2018, 04:57:13 PM
"Fwiw he played in their exhibition game this week, lets see what it means for his eligibility."

A student-athlete redshirts when they do not participate in any intercollegiate competition during a given academic year. The main reason for purposely redshirting a student-athlete is to preserve a year of their eligibility. The moment a student-athlete competes for a single second of time or a single play, they will use up one of their four years of eligibility. “Intercollegiate competition” includes any contests against outside competition, regardless of how the competition is classified (e.g., scrimmages, exhibitions, etc.). (NCAA Bylaw 14.02.6)

There is an exception - During a student-athlete’s initial year of enrollment, they may compete in preseason exhibition contests and preseason practice scrimmages without counting such competition as a season of competition. (Bylaw 14.2.3.1.3) This would applies to the sports of Field Hockey, Soccer and Basketball.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: paultzman on November 09, 2018, 05:15:24 PM
"Fwiw he played in their exhibition game this week, lets see what it means for his eligibility."

A student-athlete redshirts when they do not participate in any intercollegiate competition during a given academic year. The main reason for purposely redshirting a student-athlete is to preserve a year of their eligibility. The moment a student-athlete competes for a single second of time or a single play, they will use up one of their four years of eligibility. “Intercollegiate competition” includes any contests against outside competition, regardless of how the competition is classified (e.g., scrimmages, exhibitions, etc.). (NCAA Bylaw 14.02.6)

There is an exception - During a student-athlete’s initial year of enrollment, they may compete in preseason exhibition contests and preseason practice scrimmages without counting such competition as a season of competition. (Bylaw 14.2.3.1.3) This would applies to the sports of Field Hockey, Soccer and Basketball.
NC State played a regular game Tuesday v Mt St Mary’s. Steere is from same high school as Caraher FYI.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: gonzalo on November 10, 2018, 09:02:09 AM
Committed to Creighton, decommited from Creighton, courted heavily by Louisville, then c
committed to NC State.   All 3 schools feature prominently in the recent scandal.

Careful!
No, thanks.
Too many schools.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 10, 2018, 09:43:24 AM
Love Ian great kid. He’s a beast with some girth. Plays hard and yes played on same program as Caraher which is a team I work with.

He isn’t a Lovett with all the schools. I think it’s more simply being uninformed and he blew up late. So wasn’t feeling Creighton and a panic commitment to local NC State.

My understanding he’d be very likely to be immediately eligible next year assuming he doesn’t continue at NC State.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: Lycidas on November 10, 2018, 10:09:58 AM
Steere played 5 minutes and scored 4 points in State's game against Mt. Saint Mary's. It was a game, not an exhibition. Exactly how would he be eligible to play next year? Wouldn't he lose a semester? And where's our open scholarship to park a transfer student this year?
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: paultzman on November 10, 2018, 10:20:35 AM
There is no roster spot now for Steere if he chose to leave NC State immediately. His slot would count towards roster limit. Thus, it would have to be in the Spring when spot opens up, unless a current player leaves before that.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 10, 2018, 11:42:48 AM
There is no roster spot now for Steere if he chose to leave NC State immediately. His slot would count towards roster limit. Thus, it would have to be in the Spring when spot opens up, unless a current player leaves before that.

I'm not sure how that works. If there is "walk-on" ability for any of the guys.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: QuanMan on November 10, 2018, 12:07:44 PM
My apologies on the exhibition, corrected.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: paultzman on November 10, 2018, 07:05:57 PM
Here it goes;
https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article221478715.html
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: mavericknyc1980 on November 10, 2018, 09:18:04 PM
Would we even be an option
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 10, 2018, 11:20:24 PM
Would we even be an option

We'll be in the mix. I like the chances due to fit/need/culture.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: goredmen on November 10, 2018, 11:25:14 PM
Would we even be an option

We'll be in the mix. I like the chances due to fit/need/culture.

Who gets shipped out of town to make room for him?
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 10, 2018, 11:31:00 PM
Would we even be an option

We'll be in the mix. I like the chances due to fit/need/culture.

Who gets shipped out of town to make room for him?

I don't think anyone needs to. I think there will be a way to get someone to walk on.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: colelatshaw2010 on November 11, 2018, 08:51:53 AM
Would we even be an option

We'll be in the mix. I like the chances due to fit/need/culture.

Who gets shipped out of town to make room for him?

I don't think anyone needs to. I think there will be a way to get someone to walk on.
Earlington or Caraher move to walk on?
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: gonzalo on November 11, 2018, 10:04:25 AM
He isn’t a Lovett with all the schools. I think it’s more simply being uninformed and he blew up late. So wasn’t feeling Creighton and a panic commitment to local NC State.

He also played at three high schools.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 11, 2018, 12:25:26 PM
He isn’t a Lovett with all the schools. I think it’s more simply being uninformed and he blew up late. So wasn’t feeling Creighton and a panic commitment to local NC State.

He also played at three high schools.

You wouldn't want this...

https://youtu.be/6uQQK3Qw0bQ
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: Marillac on November 11, 2018, 02:28:58 PM
He isn’t a Lovett with all the schools. I think it’s more simply being uninformed and he blew up late. So wasn’t feeling Creighton and a panic commitment to local NC State.

He also played at three high schools.

You wouldn't want this...

https://youtu.be/6uQQK3Qw0bQ
m

Kid needs to learn to use his left.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: section3 on November 11, 2018, 04:12:17 PM
He isn’t a Lovett with all the schools. I think it’s more simply being uninformed and he blew up late. So wasn’t feeling Creighton and a panic commitment to local NC State.

He also played at three high schools.
How would they do that?
How do you get someone to start paying a dime in tuition.
Or do you change to an academic scholarship.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: gonzalo on November 12, 2018, 03:56:37 AM
He isn’t a Lovett with all the schools. I think it’s more simply being uninformed and he blew up late. So wasn’t feeling Creighton and a panic commitment to local NC State.

He also played at three high schools.

You wouldn't want this...

https://youtu.be/6uQQK3Qw0bQ

Dave, I don´t doubt that he is a talented player. He was recruited by (very) good schools.
But we don´t have roster stability because we have so many transfers in and out. And with so  many high schools and colleges it looks like he is not going to give us stability.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: paultzman on November 12, 2018, 08:05:40 AM
He isn’t a Lovett with all the schools. I think it’s more simply being uninformed and he blew up late. So wasn’t feeling Creighton and a panic commitment to local NC State.

He also played at three high schools.

You wouldn't want this...

https://youtu.be/6uQQK3Qw0bQ

Dave, I don´t doubt that he is a talented player. He was recruited by (very) good schools.
But we don´t have roster stability because we have so many transfers in and out. And with so  many high schools and colleges it looks like he is not going to give us stability.

Staff knows Kofi is likely out of reach & this is a way to fill big void next season.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: colelatshaw2010 on November 12, 2018, 10:14:58 AM
He isn’t a Lovett with all the schools. I think it’s more simply being uninformed and he blew up late. So wasn’t feeling Creighton and a panic commitment to local NC State.

He also played at three high schools.

You wouldn't want this...

https://youtu.be/6uQQK3Qw0bQ

Dave, I don´t doubt that he is a talented player. He was recruited by (very) good schools.
But we don´t have roster stability because we have so many transfers in and out. And with so  many high schools and colleges it looks like he is not going to give us stability.

Staff knows Kofi is likely out of reach & this is a way to fill big void next season.
Ugh I was afraid that would be the reason why we would be trying to get involved.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 12, 2018, 06:21:51 PM
He isn’t a Lovett with all the schools. I think it’s more simply being uninformed and he blew up late. So wasn’t feeling Creighton and a panic commitment to local NC State.

He also played at three high schools.

You wouldn't want this...

https://youtu.be/6uQQK3Qw0bQ

Dave, I don´t doubt that he is a talented player. He was recruited by (very) good schools.
But we don´t have roster stability because we have so many transfers in and out. And with so  many high schools and colleges it looks like he is not going to give us stability.


Huh? He'd most likely be eligible immediately next year, worst case after 1st semester. Where is the stability issue?
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 12, 2018, 06:23:06 PM
He isn’t a Lovett with all the schools. I think it’s more simply being uninformed and he blew up late. So wasn’t feeling Creighton and a panic commitment to local NC State.

He also played at three high schools.

You wouldn't want this...

https://youtu.be/6uQQK3Qw0bQ

Dave, I don´t doubt that he is a talented player. He was recruited by (very) good schools.
But we don´t have roster stability because we have so many transfers in and out. And with so  many high schools and colleges it looks like he is not going to give us stability.

Staff knows Kofi is likely out of reach & this is a way to fill big void next season.

Kofi is a monster but seems like he comes with headache recruitment similar to Whitehead or Briscoe.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: paultzman on November 12, 2018, 08:00:04 PM
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1062141467236487170
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: gonzalo on November 13, 2018, 03:55:44 AM
Dave, I don´t doubt that he is a talented player. He was recruited by (very) good schools.
But we don´t have roster stability because we have so many transfers in and out. And with so  many high schools and colleges it looks like he is not going to give us stability.



Huh? He'd most likely be eligible immediately next year, worst case after 1st semester. Where is the stability issue?

It looks like he is not the type of player that it´s going to be with us 3 and a half years.
I would like to have 4 years players. It should not be a miracle for us.
The stability of Providence, for example, where there are no 7-8 new players in a season.
The mentality of Justin Wright Foreman, a local player who averaged 4 minutes as freshman at Hofstra and now he averages 24-25 points per game at the same school as senior.
I´m not saying that Wright Foreman is better than Steere, but I like this kind of mentality: play little as freshman, have patience, improve.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 13, 2018, 10:09:50 AM
It looks like he is not the type of player that it´s going to be with us 3 and a half years.
I would like to have 4 years players. It should not be a miracle for us.
The stability of Providence, for example, where there are no 7-8 new players in a season.
The mentality of Justin Wright Foreman, a local player who averaged 4 minutes as freshman at Hofstra and now he averages 24-25 points per game at the same school as senior.
I´m not saying that Wright Foreman is better than Steere, but I like this kind of mentality: play little as freshman, have patience, improve.

Ok... so you just compared a guard to a big and a low end CAA team to Big East. These are apples and oranges.

There are 3 freshman on the team who have barely seen the light of day. The stable is building. Outside of Kofi who is an attainable high school senior near the talent of Steere? What would be your plan?
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: gonzalo on November 13, 2018, 11:09:10 AM
Ok... so you just compared a guard to a big and a low end CAA team to Big East. These are apples and oranges.

There are 3 freshman on the team who have barely seen the light of day. The stable is building. Outside of Kofi who is an attainable high school senior near the talent of Steere? What would be your plan?

I have not compared the talent of Wright Foreman and Steere. I have compared the type of mentality of Wright Foreman (played very little as freshman and didn´t transfer) with the 3 high schools and 3 colleges of Steere.
My plan is very simple: Cockburn and Achiuwa. Less Golden State Warriors and more high school gyms.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 13, 2018, 02:37:47 PM
I have not compared the talent of Wright Foreman and Steere. I have compared the type of mentality of Wright Foreman (played very little as freshman and didn´t transfer) with the 3 high schools and 3 colleges of Steere.
My plan is very simple: Cockburn and Achiuwa. Less Golden State Warriors and more high school gyms.

So in one breathe you're mentioning a 2 star guard who had low major interest and couldn't play immediately at Hofstra as a target player and in the next you're saying St. John's should go after 4-5 star players who have interest from all high majors.

These guys are completely contrasting.

Marcellus Earlington is a better example of Wright-Foreman. You can recruit those type of guys when your roster is filled out.

Get Steere, forget Kofi, and go all out on Precious.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: paultzman on November 14, 2018, 11:11:36 AM
Steere and Mack visiting SJU this weekend. Double good news perhaps
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: paultzman on November 14, 2018, 11:13:32 AM
Steere and Mack visiting SJU this weekend. Double good news perhaps
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: colelatshaw2010 on November 14, 2018, 11:52:01 AM
Steere and Mack visiting SJU this weekend. Double good news perhaps
Paultz what's your opinion of Steere and Mack?  All I can find is their 247 rankings and a few highlight videos.  What happened to Mack at SFA? Should we be concerned at all with Steere bouncing around between schools?  Since we're already low on schollys, if we land these two can we assume we're out on Kofi and Precious?
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: paultzman on November 14, 2018, 12:10:18 PM
Paultz what's your opinion of Steere and Mack?  All I can find is their 247 rankings and a few highlight videos.  What happened to Mack at SFA? Should we be concerned at all with Steere bouncing around between schools?  Since we're already low on schollys, if we land these two can we assume we're out on Kofi and Precious?
Have only seen clips of both, so no opinion. Of course they present risks re multiple schools. Kofi would be waste of time imo, but hear often that Precious respects Mullin. That said, imo SJU needs to have a solid season & “dance” for him to find Johnnies appealing. Seem to still be very much in it for PA though.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: colelatshaw2010 on November 14, 2018, 02:49:17 PM
Have only seen clips of both, so no opinion. Of course they present risks re multiple schools. Kofi would be waste of time imo, but hear often that Precious respects Mullin. That said, imo SJU needs to have a solid season & “dance” for him to find Johnnies appealing. Seem to still be very much in it for PA though.
Thanks Paultz.  Great to hear about Precious. Tough to project how good a kid can be from watching highlight clips but I was very entertained watching Steere's mix tapes.  Looks to have the skill set and body of an unrefined Blake Griffin.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: Mike on November 15, 2018, 12:14:47 AM
We have been hoping for a big body for a while and now we have the potential to get one and people aren’t happy. So we push him aside and pray and hope for Kofi?? From the sounds of it the chances are very slim. Even if he came how long will he be here before people are pushing him to the draft.
If Steere wants to come and the staff is ok with it, you take him. Most likely the roster will have spots so I don’t see this hurting us.
Gonzalo, you can hope and pray for the 5* big guys but you should be realistic on our chances for any of them at this point. Which basically means it’s not happening.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: colelatshaw2010 on November 15, 2018, 08:51:07 AM
We have been hoping for a big body for a while and now we have the potential to get one and people aren’t happy. So we push him aside and pray and hope for Kofi?? From the sounds of it the chances are very slim. Even if he came how long will he be here before people are pushing him to the draft.
If Steere wants to come and the staff is ok with it, you take him. Most likely the roster will have spots so I don’t see this hurting us.
Gonzalo, you can hope and pray for the 5* big guys but you should be realistic on our chances for any of them at this point. Which basically means it’s not happening.
I was excited watching Steere's highlight tape but lets not get it twisted, he's still a 3 star kid ranked in the 140's.  Getting him and maybe Cam Mack on board isn't going to make this a good recruiting class.  If you're saying we need to get realistic and accept that we can't get 5 star players then that's a severe indictment on the coaching staff.  We hired a guy with no coaching experience so we knew he would be awful at x's and o's but he was expected to be able to attract top talent.  So far he has not been able to do that.  If it's "unrealistic" for us to expect this staff to ever land top 30 kids then I don't think this experiment should continue.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: sju89tr on November 15, 2018, 04:19:50 PM
I was excited watching Steere's highlight tape but lets not get it twisted, he's still a 3 star kid ranked in the 140's.  Getting him and maybe Cam Mack on board isn't going to make this a good recruiting class.  If you're saying we need to get realistic and accept that we can't get 5 star players then that's a severe indictment on the coaching staff.  We hired a guy with no coaching experience so we knew he would be awful at x's and o's but he was expected to be able to attract top talent.  So far he has not been able to do that.  If it's "unrealistic" for us to expect this staff to ever land top 30 kids then I don't think this experiment should continue.

We have 3 Top 50 guys on the roster in Ponds, Heron, and Simon
The rest are top 150 guys
The recruiting has been up and down but lets see how the year turns out
Winning will do a lot to get kids in here
Getting a Heron or Ponds to the league will add some cred to the regime     
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: ras on November 15, 2018, 05:20:09 PM
LJ and Keita were top 100 out of HS, also Ely, the sit out pg . Hopefully Simon will return next year. We can use another big. I’m all for signing Steele.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: RedStormNC on November 15, 2018, 06:54:50 PM
in general, a top 150 big is still good... a lot more guards fill up these rankings.

he was ranked # 18 at the Center position for his class.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 16, 2018, 01:42:14 AM
Steere came on late and some outlets didn't catch much of him in the summer. Arguably he'd be 80-100 guy which for a big guy PF or C is generally top 15 at position.

Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: SJUFAN on November 16, 2018, 01:58:16 AM
Some of you act like we have better options. We need bigs, hope we can land him.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: colelatshaw2010 on November 16, 2018, 11:28:45 AM
LJ and Keita were top 100 out of HS, also Ely, the sit out pg . Hopefully Simon will return next year. We can use another big. I’m all for signing Steele.
You guys realize that these transfers are making their way to st johns because another staff is looking at them and saying they're not good enough to earn pt? Seede and Tariq could only get low single digit mins at South Carolina and Tennessee. Eli and Justin Simon couldn't beat out similarly ranked guards for mins at miss St and zona. I'm not saying these guys aren't good players but transfers come with the blemish of already having another staff evaluate them and say they are not good enough. 
I've always given staff credit for ponds as he's the only top 50 kid they've gotten out of hs. Heron is a unique situation as he wasn't transferring because of lack of playing time, so they deserve kudos for that. Same with lj coming out of juco but it's too early to say that will definitively be a good pick up.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: colelatshaw2010 on November 16, 2018, 11:30:18 AM
Steere came on late and some outlets didn't catch much of him in the summer. Arguably he'd be 80-100 guy which for a big guy PF or C is generally top 15 at position.


What does him coming on late have to do with his final ranking being 140? If anything id argue that his current playing abilities aren't as good as that 140 ranking since he couldn't impress enough to earn playing time at nc state.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: Celtics11 on November 16, 2018, 11:44:51 AM
What does him coming on late have to do with his final ranking being 140? If anything id argue that his current playing abilities aren't as good as that 140 ranking since he couldn't impress enough to earn playing time at nc state.
Kid played one game as a freshman and NC St. had bigs ahead of him. Yup kid should just be thrown on the scrap heap. Let him play Division 3 ball. YIKES
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: colelatshaw2010 on November 16, 2018, 07:38:37 PM
Kid played one game as a freshman and NC St. had bigs ahead of him. Yup kid should just be thrown on the scrap heap. Let him play Division 3 ball. YIKES
Seriously dude?  My point is don't tell me he should've been 80-100 when the final 247 rankings say 140 and then he doesn't prove enough over the summer/ in practice for him to think it makes sense to stay at nc state. He would be a decent addition to our program but I'm not going to do cartwheels that we got steere and missed out on igiehon and Kofi. Steere is the type of player that should be on the roster instead of Roberts and Earlington.

I think probably any kid that gets even a 2 star rating ends up getting a d 1 scholarship but good joke, that d 3 thing was really funny.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: Celtics11 on November 16, 2018, 07:50:54 PM
Seriously dude?  My point is don't tell me he should've been 80-100 when the final 247 rankings say 140 and then he doesn't prove enough over the summer/ in practice for him to think it makes sense to stay at nc state.

I think probably any kid that gets even a 2 star rating ends up getting a d 1 scholarship but good joke, that d 3 thing was really funny.
Serious as a fing heart attack dude. I don't give a crap about his ranking. Watch his video kid looks good but maybe a head case who knows.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: colelatshaw2010 on November 16, 2018, 07:58:00 PM
Serious as a fing heart attack dude. I don't give a crap about his ranking. Watch his video kid looks good but maybe a head case who knows.
Yea you're opinion based off of a 2 and a half minute highlight video is probably a better assessment then Jerry Meyer and folks who make a living off of ranking these kids. I also was one of the first person on this thread to mention I loved watching his tape.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: Celtics11 on November 16, 2018, 08:04:07 PM
Yea you're opinion based off of a 2 and a half minute highlight video is probably a better assessment then Jerry Meyer and folks who make a living off of ranking these kids. I also was one of the first person on this thread to mention I loved watching his tape.
so we agree and dopes like meyer make a living at ranking players because dopes like me pay for the service.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: Mike on November 16, 2018, 11:25:07 PM
I was excited watching Steere's highlight tape but lets not get it twisted, he's still a 3 star kid ranked in the 140's.  Getting him and maybe Cam Mack on board isn't going to make this a good recruiting class.  If you're saying we need to get realistic and accept that we can't get 5 star players then that's a severe indictment on the coaching staff.  We hired a guy with no coaching experience so we knew he would be awful at x's and o's but he was expected to be able to attract top talent.  So far he has not been able to do that.  If it's "unrealistic" for us to expect this staff to ever land top 30 kids then I don't think this experiment should continue.

I said “at this point”, win some games and make the tournament will help a lot. Who wants to commit to us when we are in the cellar every year?? It’s time for the staff to show us what they got.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 17, 2018, 12:28:13 AM
What does him coming on late have to do with his final ranking being 140? If anything id argue that his current playing abilities aren't as good as that 140 ranking since he couldn't impress enough to earn playing time at nc state.

Good question. Let me break it down for you. There are usually 4-5 weekends where scouts have the ability to evaluate a large number of kids in the spring and summer. Lets just say ESPN comes to the first one and 247 comes to the second. They might come again in 4th or 5th but they might not OR they are watching someone else.

So sometimes rankings are a bit skewed based on what they evaluated in the 1 or 2 times they saw the player.

If a player has a great July sometimes they'll be more hesitant to have that player make a large jump in the rankings because they don't want it to be fools gold. This happened to guys even like Donovan Mitchell who missed spring and had a monster July and guys wouldn't put him in top 20.

Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 17, 2018, 12:34:05 AM
You guys realize that these transfers are making their way to st johns because another staff is looking at them and saying they're not good enough to earn pt? Seede and Tariq could only get low single digit mins at South Carolina and Tennessee. Eli and Justin Simon couldn't beat out similarly ranked guards for mins at miss St and zona. I'm not saying these guys aren't good players but transfers come with the blemish of already having another staff evaluate them and say they are not good enough. 
I've always given staff credit for ponds as he's the only top 50 kid they've gotten out of hs. Heron is a unique situation as he wasn't transferring because of lack of playing time, so they deserve kudos for that. Same with lj coming out of juco but it's too early to say that will definitively be a good pick up.

Not getting minutes does not translate into not being good enough. Nor does transferring mean you're not good enough.

Sometimes coaching staffs change, log jam at position, injuries, and bad culture/experience.

Justin Simon played with Alonzo Trier and Rawle Aikens not exactly known for being great teammates. How was going to practice everyday? Probably not so fun. I don't know every guy's situation but glad they're here.

You ever leave a company to take a different job somewhere else? It's no different.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: paultzman on November 17, 2018, 10:28:22 AM
Sense Steere gets done rather quickly. Perhaps a duo with Mack?
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: survivedc on November 17, 2018, 11:34:22 AM
How is Steere going to work with the scholarship situation? Aren’t we full up?
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: gonzalo on November 17, 2018, 03:54:08 PM
Justin Simon played with Alonzo Trier and Rawle Aikens not exactly known for being great teammates. How was going to practice everyday? Probably not so fun.
Simon and Alkins never played together.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: mavericknyc1980 on November 17, 2018, 10:02:52 PM
Sense Steere gets done rather quickly. Perhaps a duo with Mack?

That’s exciting.  Let’s lock these two up
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 17, 2018, 11:46:37 PM
Simon and Alkins never played together.

I believe Rawle was recruited the year after. They didn't recruit Rawle to sit him.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 18, 2018, 07:46:45 PM
Have a good feeling Steere will be staying in Queens. Will be a tremendous asset down low.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: mavericknyc1980 on November 18, 2018, 07:55:59 PM
Have a good feeling Steere will be staying in Queens. Will be a tremendous asset down low.

This would be a good get.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: QuanMan on November 18, 2018, 08:00:34 PM
Great great news. Sorely needed. After the Team Rio Summer/Fall debacle, and missing out on each of our Class of 19' targets, entering the Winter with Mack and Steere committed would be quite the turnaround.

Do we expect him to apply for first semester eligibility? Those 4 minutes in his first and only collegiate game shouldn't hold him back 1.5 years.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: pmg911 on November 19, 2018, 03:23:44 PM
Would he eligible for 2nd Semester next year..?
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: ras on November 19, 2018, 03:37:30 PM
Would he eligible for 2nd Semester next year..?
Why not? He has to sit out a year. We are looking at 2nd semester next year.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: mavericknyc1980 on November 19, 2018, 09:08:59 PM
Why not? He has to sit out a year. We are looking at 2nd semester next year.

Was 2nd semester?
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 20, 2018, 12:34:36 AM
Good chance elgible immediately next year. Worst case would be 2nd semester
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: Celtics11 on November 20, 2018, 12:50:00 AM
Good chance elgible immediately next year. Worst case would be 2nd semester
That would be mint as it is hard to assimilate a player into the rotation at mid season.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: colelatshaw2010 on November 20, 2018, 09:20:27 AM
Not getting minutes does not translate into not being good enough. Nor does transferring mean you're not good enough.

Sometimes coaching staffs change, log jam at position, injuries, and bad culture/experience.

Justin Simon played with Alonzo Trier and Rawle Aikens not exactly known for being great teammates. How was going to practice everyday? Probably not so fun. I don't know every guy's situation but glad they're here.

You ever leave a company to take a different job somewhere else? It's no different.
Go ahead and name a player who transferred to Mullin as a result of a coaching change. "Log jam at a position" is a fancy way of saying a coaching staff doesn't think the player in question is better then the other players in-front of him at his position. Justin Simon didn't transfer because he didn't like the culture with Alonzo Trier and Sean Miller.  He transferred because he only got 7.5 mins a game as a freshman and then was over recruited with Rawle coming in.  Same with Tariq, Seede, Eli Wright.  The post you quoted was in response to someone disagreeing with my notion that Mullin has done a subpar job recruiting because many of the transfer kids were highly rated coming out of hs.  I don't believe transfers have as much potential as a hs kid.  I would be more excited to have Luther Muhammad ranked 79 in his class then Eli Wright ranked 80 in his class because it was determined Eli didn't deserve pt as a freshman.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: RedStormNC on November 20, 2018, 09:43:59 AM
Tariq Owens was one who transferred to us as a result of coaching change.

Tennessee fired Donnie Tyndall after one year following an NCAA investigation into his time at Southern Miss.  He had recruited Owens to Tennessee.

The point about Muhammed being better at 79 as a freshman  vs. Eli Wright at 80 as a transfer doesn't hold much weight.... It's partially about who is in front of them vs. their talent/potential.   We don't have many guys standing in the way of others that want to come here after a year on the bench. 
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on November 20, 2018, 09:50:48 AM
Go ahead and name a player who transferred to Mullin as a result of a coaching change. "Log jam at a position" is a fancy way of saying a coaching staff doesn't think the player in question is better then the other players in-front of him at his position. Justin Simon didn't transfer because he didn't like the culture with Alonzo Trier and Sean Miller.  He transferred because he only got 7.5 mins a game as a freshman and then was over recruited with Rawle coming in.  Same with Tariq, Seede, Eli Wright.  The post you quoted was in response to someone disagreeing with my notion that Mullin has done a subpar job recruiting because many of the transfer kids were highly rated coming out of hs.  I don't believe transfers have as much potential as a hs kid.  I would be more excited to have Luther Muhammad ranked 79 in his class then Eli Wright ranked 80 in his class because it was determined Eli didn't deserve pt as a freshman.

What transfers that we’ve gotten have you been disappointed with? Your dislike for them seems so weird to me.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: JohnnyJungle on November 20, 2018, 10:44:36 AM
Go ahead and name a player who transferred to Mullin as a result of a coaching change. "Log jam at a position" is a fancy way of saying a coaching staff doesn't think the player in question is better then the other players in-front of him at his position. Justin Simon didn't transfer because he didn't like the culture with Alonzo Trier and Sean Miller.  He transferred because he only got 7.5 mins a game as a freshman and then was over recruited with Rawle coming in.  Same with Tariq, Seede, Eli Wright.  The post you quoted was in response to someone disagreeing with my notion that Mullin has done a subpar job recruiting because many of the transfer kids were highly rated coming out of hs.  I don't believe transfers have as much potential as a hs kid.  I would be more excited to have Luther Muhammad ranked 79 in his class then Eli Wright ranked 80 in his class because it was determined Eli didn't deserve pt as a freshman.

So a few things.

1. Every transfer is for different reasons. No one can blanket say it's because of playing time nor is playing time an indication of skill. There are system, style, role, and usage that all factor.

2. Potential of HS vs Transfer- Again this is a case by case basis. You could arguably say that production of transfers might be greater due to a year of strength & conditioning and practice. I for one would have loved Luther Muhammed but I don't think Eli Wright was a direct substitute for him. I think it's fairer to say that Greg Williams is and I also think highly of him too.

3. Fantasy vs Reality- St. John's isn't or wasn't getting Justin Simon out of high school nor Mustapha Heron nor Sedee Keita. However they are on the roster now for multiple years. So who cares about their path here?

4. Scholarship balance. We finally have a plan and path to not recruiting a whole new team every 4 years like it's been for nearly the past decade. This is incredibly important to longevity.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: paultzman on November 23, 2018, 02:20:29 PM
Get ready

Per Julius Kim
NC State transfer Ian Steere @notorious21_ tells me he will announce his decision at 3PM today
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on November 23, 2018, 03:03:48 PM
@NYPost_Brazille
4m4 minutes ago
St. John's has landed a commitment from NC State transfer Ian Steere. #sjubb

@NYPost_Brazille
3m3 minutes ago
With no open scholarships available, Ian Steere will be on financial aid this coming semester. #sjubb

@NYPost_Brazille
2m2 minutes ago
Ian Steere was a consensus four-star prospect out of HS. A true center. Played AAU with David Caraher. #sjubb


Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on November 23, 2018, 03:09:12 PM
http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/11/23/st-johns-lands-n-c-state-transfer-ian-steere/

The 6-foot-9, 250-pound Fayetteville, N.C., native will seek a waiver to play beginning in the 2019-20 season because he played just five minutes in N.C. State’s season-opening 105-55 win over Mount St. Mary’s, scoring four points and grabbing four rebounds.

“I’m pretty confident that I’m going to get a waiver to play immediately in November [2019],” he said Friday by phone. “We’re going to try and get that, but we’ll see what happens.”
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260 - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on November 23, 2018, 03:32:50 PM
Awesome. Welcome to sju!
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260 - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: Johnny23 on November 23, 2018, 03:42:17 PM
Nice get! Finally a much needed big boy.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260 - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: Johnnystar on November 23, 2018, 04:16:04 PM
I'll take this transfer route all day. Needed a guy like this, don't really care how we get them. He'll still have 3 years of eligibility.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260 - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: mavericknyc1980 on November 23, 2018, 04:18:13 PM
Amazing get
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260 - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: braintrust on November 23, 2018, 05:07:53 PM
Welcome!
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260 - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: Celtics11 on November 23, 2018, 09:14:40 PM
Great get as at worse he is a big body that every basketball team can use and he actually appears to be much more than that.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260 - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: Tolentine on November 24, 2018, 12:20:02 AM
Great news!!! Welcome aboard Ian! Need some bigs for sure.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260 - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: RedStormNC on November 24, 2018, 07:33:50 AM
https://www.nypost.com/2018/11/24/st-johns-adding-ex-n-c-state-player-in-latest-transfer/amp/
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260 - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: redmen4life on November 24, 2018, 11:29:32 AM
@NYPost_Brazille
4m4 minutes ago
St. John's has landed a commitment from NC State transfer Ian Steere. #sjubb

@NYPost_Brazille
3m3 minutes ago
With no open scholarships available, Ian Steere will be on financial aid this coming semester. #sjubb

@NYPost_Brazille
2m2 minutes ago
Ian Steere was a consensus four-star prospect out of HS. A true center. Played AAU with David Caraher. #sjubb




I highly doubt he will pay his own way. 

Zero inside information,but I’m willing to bet someone transfers by end of semester.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260 - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: redslope on November 24, 2018, 02:21:38 PM
I highly doubt he will pay his own way. 

Zero inside information,but I’m willing to bet someone transfers by end of semester.

Don't know the young man's family finances but depending he could be eligible for Pell Grant; and SEOG Grant federal programs.  Also could qualify for University Funded grant.  I read somewhere that nearly 90% of students receive financial aid at St. John's (part of thr Vincentian Tradition/the school's history.  Also there is work study available and lastly, if necessary-student loan.  He will only need assistance for the spring semester.  I am sure he met with the school's financial aid officials.
Title: Re: Ian Steere- (NC State, PF) 6'9/260 - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: goredmen on November 24, 2018, 03:03:31 PM
Don't know the young man's family finances but depending he could be eligible for Pell Grant; and SEOG Grant federal programs.  Also could qualify for University Funded grant.  I read somewhere that nearly 90% of students receive financial aid at St. John's (part of thr Vincentian Tradition/the school's history.  Also there is work study available and lastly, if necessary-student loan.  He will only need assistance for the spring semester.  I am sure he met with the school's financial aid officials.

This is college basketball. I'm sure they will find a way for this to work out just fine for everybody
Title: Re: Ian Steere - PF - NC State - ST. JOHN’S
Post by: gonzalo on December 31, 2020, 01:25:54 PM
https://www.wect.com/2020/12/23/iam-steere-no-longer-member-uncw-basketball-program/