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Title: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on August 30, 2020, 11:46:27 PM
I think the election is effectively over now.  Trump will steamroll Biden and collect 320+ delegates and win the popular vote by seven-figures. The DNC did such a sh*t job with their campaign.  They've almost entirely left out Hispanic voters and that was clear to everyone after the convention. They made a severe miscalculation backing BLM over police and law and order. They read that completely wrong and their internal polling was a disaster there.

As VP, Biden got nearly every major law enforcement union to endorse his ticket in 2008 and 2012.  They even cited Biden as the main reason why.  There are a million police officers nationwide and probably another million court officers, correction officers, government agents, security personnel, etc. Add spouses, partners, kids, parents and extended family and there goes a ton of votes. A large % of those people are Black.

All the left had to do to win was cut the sh*t with the identity politics and the forced compliance.  That's it. 

After Trump wins big and the far-left riots and burns cities and then blames Russia for a few months, will the left learn from this or do they double down and follow maniacs like AOC? Are they going to continue to bully people into thinking pieces of sh*t like Jacob Blake are martyrs?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on August 31, 2020, 08:33:54 PM
you sound like a delusional chump supporter.  Your anaylsis is absurd.  He is digging his own grave deeper on a daily basis..  If you had any knowledge of history you would know that he is following the playbook of hitler and is a danger to our democracy
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on September 01, 2020, 02:31:25 AM
you sound like a delusional chump supporter.  Your anaylsis is absurd.  He is digging his own grave deeper on a daily basis..  If you had any knowledge of history you would know that he is following the playbook of hitler and is a danger to our democracy


The election is in 10 weeks so you don't have to knock the prediction.  If I'm wrong, as you suggest, time will show it soon.

The first mistake the left made was setting the bar at not being Hitler for him to be re-elected.

Do you care to offer any actual analysis or do you just want to knock what I wrote?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: friendofjohnnie on September 01, 2020, 03:26:21 PM
Did any of you go to school when Reagan spoke at St. John's? Did some research and found that he spoke there in 1985. Must have been a great experience.
https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/research/speeches/32885b

It would be nice to see the hometown kid and current occupier of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. who grew up 30 seconds from campus come by at some point.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on September 01, 2020, 03:45:23 PM
Did any of you go to school when Reagan spoke at St. John's? Did some research and found that he spoke there in 1985. Must have been a great experience.
https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/research/speeches/32885b

It would be nice to see the hometown kid and current occupier of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. who grew up 30 seconds from campus come by at some point.

He’s not a kid. He’s a child. Big difference.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on September 01, 2020, 10:29:10 PM
He’s not a kid. He’s a child. Big difference.

He's also your president and will be for four more years.
Do you have any predictions or any analysis on the two campaigns other than just trying to insult Trump.  I'm curious as to how the far-left feels.  The riots and the mass exodus from Democrat runs cities has to be troubling, no?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on September 02, 2020, 10:26:14 AM
Im a centrist, far from far-left.  I believe Trump will be beaten handily but will do everything in his power to stay in office.  He has disgracefully been attempting to suppress the vote and has a small possibility of winning because of it.  My likely scenario is that trump may be ahead election night but will ultimately lose because of mailin voting. He will challenge the validity of whatever happens because he is a divisive fool and has no integrity. His base, largely ignorant fools (the fundamentalists being the largest body of ignorance in our country) will support whatever he does.  Get ready for a stormy ride through 1-20-2001, I dont think he will leave peacefully.  The 2018 election showed suburban women going blue and I think that election is a reflection of how this one will go.  I expect the Dems to take control of the Senate as well.  I see the country as very dissatisfied with his cult of personality rule.  His base will stand by him but this is 30-35% of the populace.  Few on the fence will vote Red.   Anecdotally, I know many republicans and conservatives who are voting for Biden, even a conservative Catholic deacon who runs a parish.   I think the American people will largely see him for the corrupt conman he is. 
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on September 02, 2020, 11:00:08 AM
Im a centrist, far from far-left.  I believe Trump will be beaten handily but will do everything in his power to stay in office.  He has disgracefully been attempting to suppress the vote and has a small possibility of winning because of it.  My likely scenario is that trump may be ahead election night but will ultimately lose because of mailin voting. He will challenge the validity of whatever happens because he is a divisive fool and has no integrity. His base, largely ignorant fools (the fundamentalists being the largest body of ignorance in our country) will support whatever he does.  Get ready for a stormy ride through 1-20-2001, I dont think he will leave peacefully.  The 2018 election showed suburban women going blue and I think that election is a reflection of how this one will go.  I expect the Dems to take control of the Senate as well.  I see the country as very dissatisfied with his cult of personality rule.  His base will stand by him but this is 30-35% of the populace.  Few on the fence will vote Red.   Anecdotally, I know many republicans and conservatives who are voting for Biden, even a conservative Catholic deacon who runs a parish.   I think the American people will largely see him for the corrupt conman he is. 

I disagree with about everything you wrote, but I respect you for actually putting it out there. I am slightly left of center myself, but I haven't been able to identify as a democrat after the seismic shift that has taken place the last 6-8 years.

Seattle, SF, LA, and Portland were great cities not all that long ago. They are toast now...covered in human feces and littered with drugs, homeless encampments, and violence.  Those cities are facing a mass exodus of wealthy citizens and big businesses. They are going to go try the same b.s. where they move too.

The crazy thing is it's never enough for the maniacs on the far-left.  They go after the very people that acquiesce to their insane demands.  They just tried setting fire to the Portland mayor's condo.  He's been denying feds from coming in and letting their arrestees go free.  In Seattle they went to the Mayor's residence as well after she allowed them to have their autonomous zone and defended them to the whole country.  In Minneapolis they made that pajama boy Mayor do the walk of shame because he wouldn't agree to completely abolish the police department.  In Chicago, Mayor Beetlejuice has to have 24/7 armed guards on her street to keep the "peaceful protestors" at bay. 

In salt lakes, the water evaporates but the salt stays behind growing more and more concentrated.  The same kind of thing happens in big cities when republicans keep leaving. Dems grow more and more concentrated, and a super-majority rarely leads to a good outcome.

Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Ez_Uzi on September 02, 2020, 11:25:58 AM
Im a centrist, far from far-left.  I believe Trump will be beaten handily but will do everything in his power to stay in office.  He has disgracefully been attempting to suppress the vote and has a small possibility of winning because of it.  My likely scenario is that trump may be ahead election night but will ultimately lose because of mailin voting. He will challenge the validity of whatever happens because he is a divisive fool and has no integrity. His base, largely ignorant fools (the fundamentalists being the largest body of ignorance in our country) will support whatever he does.  Get ready for a stormy ride through 1-20-2001, I dont think he will leave peacefully.  The 2018 election showed suburban women going blue and I think that election is a reflection of how this one will go.  I expect the Dems to take control of the Senate as well.  I see the country as very dissatisfied with his cult of personality rule.  His base will stand by him but this is 30-35% of the populace.  Few on the fence will vote Red.   Anecdotally, I know many republicans and conservatives who are voting for Biden, even a conservative Catholic deacon who runs a parish.   I think the American people will largely see him for the corrupt conman he is. 

You don't offer much analysis, but I guess I appreciate whatever substantial points you make but I am afraid not your polemics. In essence, in America today, there are two populist movements happening right now. One that is new age conservativism and one that is new age socialism/communism. They both have different policy agendas but a common end, which is to undo the neo-liberal destruction of America through globalization of finance/production, outsourcing, open borders, urbanization and sanctuary cities and so on since the time of Clinton through Obama. For the conservative movement, the policy agenda focuses in on manufacturing, trade, law and order and equality of opportunity, and for the new left, it is almost all about redistribution (medicare for all, free college, UBI, defund the police for social purposes) and equality of outcomes.

Biden is in a tough spot, because at the moment centrist means a step back to the neo-liberal policies that created this mess to begin with and would alienate the left's populism (led by Sanders). Being a centrist is a losing strategy in current times, but the ploy of Trump to paint Biden as far left also checkmates Biden, who is now increasingly trying to move to the center more recently (his stand on defunding the police, law and order and medicare for all and other social protections). By moving more to the center, Biden will keep the wine sipping, suburban women but will lose the Bernie Bros. By moving further left, Biden will lose the suburban women, independents and a part of the black vote. In essence, check mate.

I don't think mail in voting is going to affect the outcome in already blue and red states. Where it can be troublesome is in those swing states that have a Democrat Governor and the system put in place to ensure accuracy and accountability.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on September 02, 2020, 01:16:23 PM
One interesting wrinkle in this election is just how weak the third party candidates are.  Gary Johnson was a weird dude, but he got 4.5 million votes.  Jill Stein got 1.5 milion.  Those two were all over mainstream and social media for several months.  I had to look up who the Libertarian and Green Party candidates even were this time around. They are just complete non-factors this election.

I would think those parties being crap will favor Trump. Johnson got nearly 10% of his home state of New Mexico--wider than Hillary's margin of victory there.  Also, Hillary won NH by less than 3,000 votes. Johnson got over 36,000 votes in NH.  Nevada went to Hillary by 27,000 votes and Johnson got over 37,000 votes there (Green party not on ballot).  A weak Libertarian party candidate puts that race at almost a dead heat, and when you figure in the very powerful culinary union there has 93% of workers out of jobs from COVID...that probably leans right. 
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Ez_Uzi on September 02, 2020, 02:01:00 PM
Agreed. The libertarian party is not only weak but also WOKE leaning. That in itself will send those voters towards Trump. Overall I don't see a clear or compelling democrat policy agenda which seems to lay emphasis on a perceived racial divide, removing statues and defunding the police, and that just won't cut it. On Trump's side, the policy agenda is clear and detailed, whether one likes the agenda or not. Finally, and historically, America also tends to lean right following civil strife.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on September 03, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
Biden’s position in the center will draw reasonable people away from Trump, particularly suburban women. The left has nowhere else to go and their justified hatred of trump will bring record numbers to the poles. Unlike 2016 Bernie and other leftists will back Biden aggressively due to this hatred. Nobody staying home this time  and a good turnout means a democrat victory. Trump knows this which he is doing everything in his power to suppress the vote and set up a scenario to contest the election. I notice many of you babble about socialist/communist influence. The right has been shouting about this since McCarthy. They have no real influence, Biden will throw them a few crumbs but they will have no real influence. Control of the center is what controls elections and Biden clearly has it. The real danger is the armed extreme right who will be a problem when trump loses
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on September 03, 2020, 12:32:16 PM
Biden’s position in the center will draw reasonable people away from Trump, particularly suburban women. The left has nowhere else to go and their justified hatred of trump will bring record numbers to the poles. Unlike 2016 Bernie and other leftists will back Biden aggressively due to this hatred. Nobody staying home this time  and a good turnout means a democrat victory. Trump knows this which he is doing everything in his power to suppress the vote and set up a scenario to contest the election. I notice many of you babble about socialist/communist influence. The right has been shouting about this since McCarthy. They have no real influence, Biden will throw them a few crumbs but they will have no real influence. Control of the center is what controls elections and Biden clearly has it. The real danger is the armed extreme right who will be a problem when trump loses
Medications not working I see.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: braintrust on September 03, 2020, 05:26:39 PM
Cuomo and De Blasio have really painted themselves into a poor corner. The nonsensical continuous bashing of President Trump is sophomoric and self destruction. The Senate notices it, McConnell in no rush to fund municipalities. With Sandy Cortez, Gerald Nadler and Chuck Schumer, these is zero motivation for a Republican to reach across the aisle to help New York.

These two clowns are betting on the less likely outcome; [1] the Democrats will be keeping the House and [2] Biden is beating Trump. That gets them their bloated bailouts.  The more likely outcome is [1] Republicans retake the House and [2] Trump wins White House.

As a lifelong New Yorker, I hope Washington doesnt give New York a penny. Let this shithole go bankrupt and let Cuomo and de Blasio wallow in it.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on September 03, 2020, 07:36:26 PM
Cuomo and De Blasio have really painted themselves into a poor corner. The nonsensical continuous bashing of President Trump is sophomoric and self destruction. The Senate notices it, McConnell in no rush to fund municipalities. With Sandy Cortez, Gerald Nadler and Chuck Schumer, these is zero motivation for a Republican to reach across the aisle to help New York.

These two clowns are betting on the less likely outcome; [1] the Democrats will be keeping the House and [2] Biden is beating Trump. That gets them their bloated bailouts.  The more likely outcome is [1] Republicans retake the House and [2] Trump wins White House.

As a lifelong New Yorker, I hope Washington doesnt give New York a penny. Let this shithole go bankrupt and let Cuomo and de Blasio wallow in it.
Cuomo basically threatened Trump by saying if he comes to NY bodyguards won't be enough to protect him he will need an army. Secret Service should be investigating Cuomo's ass!
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: braintrust on September 03, 2020, 07:49:22 PM
In the Constitution, Federal troops can legally arrest a governor and remove a high ranking official like a mayor. Those two clowns knew that when they declined Federal troops for the riots. Notice, the riots subsided shortly thereafter.

True. Cuomo basically threatened the life of the President of the United States. Maybe the nipple rings are irritating with the nursing home crimes not going away.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on September 03, 2020, 11:31:41 PM
Agreed. The libertarian party is not only weak but also WOKE leaning. That in itself will send those voters towards Trump. Overall I don't see a clear or compelling democrat policy agenda which seems to lay emphasis on a perceived racial divide, removing statues and defunding the police, and that just won't cut it. On Trump's side, the policy agenda is clear and detailed, whether one likes the agenda or not. Finally, and historically, America also tends to lean right following civil strife.

The Dems put all their eggs in the BLM basket.  It's such a puzzling strategy because Biden was wildly popular with cops and Kamala has an egregious record as a prosecutor -- not only putting thousands of blacks behind bars for drug offenses but also fighting the release of exculpatory evidence for them to use on appeal.  What is the reward for going in so hard on BLM?  Who are their  supporters going to vote for if not Biden/Harris.  Their entire identity has been being anti-Trump for four years.

The Dems should have hammered Trump on his Mexican comments like they did in 2016.  It was brought up daily.  You haven't heard a word about that.  In fact, Dems don't even seem to be spending any attention on the Hispanic vote.  That's a huge mistake.  Bush got over 40% of the Hispanic vote and Trump only got 28%.  That number will creep closer to 40% (I'm guessing 33-35%).

I think this will election should marka turning point for both parties.  I see Hispanic and Asian voters being the base of the republican party as early as 2028 with a 50/50 split by 2024. Both groups are generally high on family values and detest violence. As for the Dems, are they going to keep banging the identity politics and BLM drums after two consecutive losses to Donald Trump?  If you can't beat someone like Trump with that message how do you expect to beat what is sure to be a minority republican candidate in 2024?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on September 04, 2020, 11:41:44 AM
 I laugh at those of you defending  chump and thinking he will be reelected.  Logic is not your strongpoint.  The country is in chaos, thousands of people are dying and yet idiots support him.  His lack of action and poor attitude have made us an international medical pariah. 4% of the world's population, 20%+ of the world's deaths and infections....the only real issue and one which should send him packing.  Involuntary manslaughter.   
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on September 04, 2020, 01:23:05 PM
I laugh at those of you defending  chump and thinking he will be reelected.  Logic is not your strongpoint.  The country is in chaos, thousands of people are dying and yet idiots support him.  His lack of action and poor attitude have made us an international medical pariah. 4% of the world's population, 20%+ of the world's deaths and infections....the only real issue and one which should send him packing.  Involuntary manslaughter.   

Im a centrist
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on September 04, 2020, 04:38:14 PM
I laugh at those of you defending  chump and thinking he will be reelected.  Logic is not your strongpoint.  The country is in chaos, thousands of people are dying and yet idiots support him.  His lack of action and poor attitude have made us an international medical pariah. 4% of the world's population, 20%+ of the world's deaths and infections....the only real issue and one which should send him packing.  Involuntary manslaughter.   
Country is in chaos thanks to the leftist socialists. Policing hasn't changed from what it has always been including under Obama but now we have rioting and looting in democrat lead cities so can't blame Trump.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on September 04, 2020, 05:38:20 PM
Country is in chaos thanks to the leftist socialists. Policing hasn't changed from what it has always been including under Obama but now we have rioting and looting in democrat lead cities so can't blame Trump.

What has Trump done that you disagree with?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on September 04, 2020, 06:38:29 PM
What has Trump done that you disagree with?
Not squashing the rioting and looting from day one would be one of the things I disagree with him on.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on September 04, 2020, 07:23:33 PM
Instead of preaching unity and conciliation when the protesting began Chump elected to take the stance of a third world dictator....preach fear and send in the troops.  I believe this had a profound effect on the duration of the protests and especially the rioting that accompanied them. Obama would have Black Leaders in the WHitehouse within days....chump made no effort and fanned the flames
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on September 04, 2020, 07:27:13 PM
Instead of preaching unity and conciliation when the protesting began Chump elected to take the stance of a third world dictator....preach fear and send in the troops.  I believe this had a profound effect on the duration of the protests and especially the rioting that accompanied them. Obama would have Black Leaders in the WHitehouse within days....chump made no effort and fanned the flames
Well than Trump is ahead of his time because the dems will turn us into a third world country.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on September 04, 2020, 07:32:26 PM

Yes, I'm a centrist.  You dont need to be a left-wing radical to recognize Chump's inadequacies  in running the show.  The republican party has let him get out of control.  Disgraceful.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on September 05, 2020, 08:10:07 AM
Well than Trump is ahead of his time because the dems will turn us into a third world country.

Look out your window.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on September 05, 2020, 09:02:56 AM
Yes, I'm a centrist.  You dont need to be a left-wing radical to recognize Chump's inadequacies  in running the show.  The republican party has let him get out of control.  Disgraceful.

Right. You're one of those centrists who thinks former game show host Donald Trump is taking pages out of Hitler's playbook in his nefarious plot to subvert American democracy. That's quite a normal middle of the road take.

The reason buffoons like you preface their political commentary with 'I'm a centrist' is because of the tacit premise: your self proclaimed political independence makes your ideas reasonable and non-ideological and anyone who disagrees is an ideologue and an extremist. Whereas in reality you're just a mundane thinker and party hack. In conclusion, get bent.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on September 05, 2020, 09:33:18 AM
Right. You're one of those centrists who thinks former game show host Donald Trump is taking pages out of Hitler's playbook in his nefarious plot to subvert American democracy. That's quite a normal middle of the road take.

The reason buffoons like you preface their political commentary with 'I'm a centrist' is because of the tacit premise: your self proclaimed political independence makes your ideas reasonable and non-ideological and anyone who disagrees is an ideologue and an extremist. Whereas in reality you're just a mundane thinker and party hack. In conclusion, get bent.


What is the reasonable logic for supporting Trump?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on September 05, 2020, 12:59:12 PM
Right. You're one of those centrists who thinks former game show host Donald Trump is taking pages out of Hitler's playbook in his nefarious plot to subvert American democracy. That's quite a normal middle of the road take.

The reason buffoons like you preface their political commentary with 'I'm a centrist' is because of the tacit premise: your self proclaimed political independence makes your ideas reasonable and non-ideological and anyone who disagrees is an ideologue and an extremist. Whereas in reality you're just a mundane thinker and party hack. In conclusion, get bent.

. in reality you obviously know little history. You are a big-mouth who attempts to denigrate anyone who disagrees with you with what you believe is logic. Sometimes you may be correct but this post reveals your willingness to disparage even the obvious. The similarities between Chump and Hitler are glaring for anyone with even a passing knowledge of history. So, back at you. You are an alcoholic conservative fool sitting in your chair thinking you are the fountain of all knowledge when, in fact, you are just an obnoxious angry old man. Get a life
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on September 05, 2020, 01:58:00 PM
Not squashing the rioting and looting from day one would be one of the things I disagree with him on.

The federal government only has those powers that are expressly granted to it by the constitution -- the rest go to the states.  There is no general police power granted to the federal government, so there are only a handful of situations the feds can be brought in.

This is what makes the argument that these riots are happening under Trump so absurd.  These are happening exclusively in cities with democrat super-majorities. 

Dems use Blacks like pawns.  Write down every high profile incident with a Black man being shot by cops that the media force-fed us coverage on.  They are all in major election years. In odd years, the issues are Trans bathrooms, global warming, and #MeToo. Further, name one Hispanic, Asian, Indian-American, Polynesian, or a non-Black child killed by police in the last 100 years.  Weird that the media doesn't cover that, right?

It's funny how fast #MeToo was dropped, huh?  Kavanaugh was raked over the coals because some crazy-eyed lunatic accused him of being handsy when they were minors decades ago.  In 2020, Jacob Blake is a hero after sexually assaulting his victim and then violating her order of protection against him to further assault her and steal her keys (and then fighting cops and reaching for a weapon when they responded to her call for help).  Imagine Kavanaugh stuck his finger in Ford's vagina and said "smells like you've been with other men"!! And then violated the protection order to come back and assault her again?! White privilege, amirite? 
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on September 05, 2020, 04:02:14 PM
The federal government only has those powers that are expressly granted to it by the constitution -- the rest go to the states.  There is no general police power granted to the federal government, so there are only a handful of situations the feds can be brought in.

This is what makes the argument that these riots are happening under Trump so absurd.  These are happening exclusively in cities with democrat super-majorities. 

Dems use Blacks like pawns.  Write down every high profile incident with a Black man being shot by cops that the media force-fed us coverage on.  They are all in major election years. In odd years, the issues are Trans bathrooms, global warming, and #MeToo. Further, name one Hispanic, Asian, Indian-American, Polynesian, or a non-Black child killed by police in the last 100 years.  Weird that the media doesn't cover that, right?

It's funny how fast #MeToo was dropped, huh?  Kavanaugh was raked over the coals because some crazy-eyed lunatic accused him of being handsy when they were minors decades ago.  In 2020, Jacob Blake is a hero after sexually assaulting his victim and then violating her order of protection against him to further assault her and steal her keys (and then fighting cops and reaching for a weapon when they responded to her call for help).  Imagine Kavanaugh stuck his finger in Ford's vagina and said "smells like you've been with other men"!! And then violated the protection order to come back and assault her again?! White privilege, amirite?

Seven in the back. No weapon in his hands. Easy call, idiot cop
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: braintrust on September 05, 2020, 05:09:21 PM
The federal government only has those powers that are expressly granted to it by the constitution -- the rest go to the states.  There is no general police power granted to the federal government, so there are only a handful of situations the feds can be brought in.

This is what makes the argument that these riots are happening under Trump so absurd.  These are happening exclusively in cities with democrat super-majorities. 

Dems use Blacks like pawns.  Write down every high profile incident with a Black man being shot by cops that the media force-fed us coverage on.  They are all in major election years. In odd years, the issues are Trans bathrooms, global warming, and #MeToo. Further, name one Hispanic, Asian, Indian-American, Polynesian, or a non-Black child killed by police in the last 100 years.  Weird that the media doesn't cover that, right?

It's funny how fast #MeToo was dropped, huh?  Kavanaugh was raked over the coals because some crazy-eyed lunatic accused him of being handsy when they were minors decades ago.  In 2020, Jacob Blake is a hero after sexually assaulting his victim and then violating her order of protection against him to further assault her and steal her keys (and then fighting cops and reaching for a weapon when they responded to her call for help).  Imagine Kavanaugh stuck his finger in Ford's vagina and said "smells like you've been with other men"!! And then violated the protection order to come back and assault her again?! White privilege, amirite? 

Right on, Marillac. Great post.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on September 05, 2020, 05:25:21 PM
What is the reasonable logic for supporting Trump?

That's a silly question, even for you. It'd be impossible to describe reasonably and logically why to support Trump to someone who regularly confuses Trump with Hitler.

The fact is that Trump's policies - domestic, fiscal and foreign - are well within the mainstream of American politics. It's his personality that's outside the mainstream. Personally I enjoy having a troll as president. As usual, YMMV.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on September 05, 2020, 05:32:50 PM
The similarities between Chump and Hitler are glaring for anyone with even a passing knowledge of history.

Well if that's he case I'm sure you'll have no problem listing 10 things Hitler and Trump have in common. I'll start you off with five and you fill in the rest.

1. Both have funny little mustaches
2. Both invaded Poland.
3. Both rounded up, gassed and burned Jews.
4. Hitler appointed Heinrich Himmler, former host of Heil or no Heil, as head of the secret police; Trump appointed Wink Martindale to a similar position
5. Both married Eastern European women
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Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on September 05, 2020, 05:45:07 PM
Seven in the back. No weapon in his hands. Easy call, idiot cop

Yeah, it's an easy call. Jacob Blake forfeited his right to live the moment he resisted arrest and fought two cops.  What people on the far-left don't realize is that every physical confrontation with a police officer is life and death because, at the very least, the cop has a deadly weapon.  That weapon could be taken by the suspect any second. When you start that kind of incident you are gambling you life on whether the guy you are fighting is a super cop with amazing training and instincts or just some loser who joined the force because he was bullied in high school and lost every fight he's ever been in. I'll let you guess what kind the PD in KENOSHA is comprised of.

The officers tried restraining Blake with minimal force and he out-wrestled them and put one in a headlock.  They then tried using non-lethal force with their tasers. Blake walked through taser shots from two officers like Michael Myers heading after a virgin. He then resisted verbal commands when the officers had their guns drawn and were basically begging him to stop.  One officer made a last-ditch and probably foolish effort by taking one hand off his weapon and trying to pull the shirt of Blake to save his life.  Blake opened the car door, out of view of the officer, and reached for a knife he told the police he had in his car 90 seconds before.

What more can the cops do? This p.o.s. did all of this with his kids present.  He packed his kids into a car to go assault a woman he had a felony warrant for sexually assaulting in May and then fought the cops in front of them.  That is your martyr? He's a subhuman subjecting his children to that kind of trauma and even put them in jeopardy of being shot.  Imagine that white kid from Stanford got shot for fighting cops when the girl he sexually assaulted call them on him?  Not one person would protest or even feel bad about him.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on September 05, 2020, 09:27:12 PM
That's a silly question, even for you. It'd be impossible to describe reasonably and logically why to support Trump to someone who regularly confuses Trump with Hitler.

The fact is that Trump's policies - domestic, fiscal and foreign - are well within the mainstream of American politics. It's his personality that's outside the mainstream. Personally I enjoy having a troll as president. As usual, YMMV.

You put words in people’s mouths and argue against the point you’ve imagined. And in those cases, you still lose most debates.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on September 08, 2020, 10:47:05 AM
You put words in people’s mouths and argue against the point you’ve imagined. And in those cases, you still lose most debates.

Florida!
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on September 09, 2020, 09:01:10 AM
Florida!

There’s no need for insults.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on September 09, 2020, 02:00:43 PM
There’s no need for insults.
Cincinnati
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 06, 2020, 11:46:29 PM
So much for losing like a man.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: redstorm212 on November 07, 2020, 12:40:30 AM
I think the election is effectively over now.  Trump will steamroll Biden and collect 320+ delegates and win the popular vote by seven-figures. The DNC did such a sh*t job with their campaign.  They've almost entirely left out Hispanic voters and that was clear to everyone after the convention. They made a severe miscalculation backing BLM over police and law and order. They read that completely wrong and their internal polling was a disaster there.

As VP, Biden got nearly every major law enforcement union to endorse his ticket in 2008 and 2012.  They even cited Biden as the main reason why.  There are a million police officers nationwide and probably another million court officers, correction officers, government agents, security personnel, etc. Add spouses, partners, kids, parents and extended family and there goes a ton of votes. A large % of those people are Black.

All the left had to do to win was cut the sh*t with the identity politics and the forced compliance.  That's it. 

After Trump wins big and the far-left riots and burns cities and then blames Russia for a few months, will the left learn from this or do they double down and follow maniacs like AOC? Are they going to continue to bully people into thinking pieces of sh*t like Jacob Blake are martyrs?

lol
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 07, 2020, 01:39:33 AM
So much for losing like a man.
Thought dems rejected sexism and misogyny.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on November 07, 2020, 10:23:54 AM
and now trump supporters are gathering at vote counting sites. I hesitate to call it protesting because there is nothing to protest,...they don’t approve of democracy in action which is not surprising
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on November 07, 2020, 10:40:24 PM
lol

I toned down my expectations in the weeks leading up to the election when the ballots were being mailed out to everyone in multiple states and the Green Party was successfully kept off ballots by the DNC. But I was still off.

This wasn’t a victory by the Dems overall though. Florida Hispanics gave the rest of the nation’s Hispanics license to vote red. Bush got 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004. Trump was probably the only candidate that could have paused the manifest destiny of Hispanics becoming the  backbone of the GOP. I’m not sure how Dems can win going forward when A Cruz/Crenshaw ticket gets 50-55% of the Hispanic vote. That is unless they can push for another mass mail-in election.

 
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 08, 2020, 07:11:01 AM
I toned down my expectations in the weeks leading up to the election when the ballots were being mailed out to everyone in multiple states and the Green Party was successfully kept off ballots by the DNC. But I was still off.

This wasn’t a victory by the Dems overall though. Florida Hispanics gave the rest of the nation’s Hispanics license to vote red. Bush got 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004. Trump was probably the only candidate that could have paused the manifest destiny of Hispanics becoming the  backbone of the GOP. I’m not sure how Dems can win going forward when A Cruz/Crenshaw ticket gets 50-55% of the Hispanic vote. That is unless they can push for another mass mail-in election.


Exactly. Quietly and brilliantly, you knew that it wasn’t happening for Trump.

You always seem to know.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Johnny23 on November 08, 2020, 02:53:06 PM
I think the election is effectively over now.  Trump will steamroll Biden and collect 320+ delegates and win the popular vote by seven-figures.

Your political predictions are almost as accurate as your hoops prognostications.

Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 08, 2020, 08:55:12 PM
Trump is going to continue to hold rallies. Anyone going?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 09, 2020, 12:04:26 AM
Trump is going to continue to hold rallies. Anyone going?
Probably more people than went to Biden rallies pre-election but then all you need for that is more people than can fit in Biden's basement.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 09, 2020, 07:25:43 AM
Probably more people than went to Biden rallies pre-election but then all you need for that is more people than can fit in Biden's basement.

Trump holding rallies with thousands of people didn’t stop him from losing Arizona and even Georgia. The Dems weren’t even trying to win Arizona.

But the real question that’s on a everyone’s mind is when do we officially become a full blown socialist country, and kill capitalism once and for all?

Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on November 09, 2020, 11:25:32 AM
Despite all the misinformed McCarthy like paranoia of turning into a socialist country it will never happen. We became somewhat Socialist under FDR and will remain in that ballpark. I believe we eventually will have socialized medicine like the rest of the civilized world
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on November 09, 2020, 11:27:31 AM
heheh. What a divisive jerk. Go play golf and stfu
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on November 09, 2020, 11:33:17 AM
Cubans were the story in florida.   Don’t lump them with the rest of the Hispanics who are solidly democratic
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on November 09, 2020, 03:44:56 PM
Cubans were the story in florida.   Don’t lump them with the rest of the Hispanics who are solidly democratic

This is completely false. Colombians, Brazilians (Portuguese speaking, I know), Venezuelans, Cubans, and other people of South American descent all showed a ton of enthusiasm for Trump and the right. My son is a dual-citizen of Colombia and that entire side of his family (all immigrants) had MAGA hats and enthusiasm for Trump.

Bush got 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.  Trump could have built on that if he didn't put his foot in his mouth and the Hillary campaign brilliantly didn't let Hispanics forget for a minute.

Most groups of Hispanics are a natural fit for the right.  They generally:  are Catholic, place an emphasis on family values, reject identity politics, support the Second Amendment (especially in the Sun Belt), dislike excuses, and support law and order. The outpouring of support from Florida Hispanics gives many Hispanics elsewhere the license to express their support for the right.



Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on November 09, 2020, 03:51:30 PM
Your political predictions are almost as accurate as your hoops prognostications.



I'm not particularly good at predicting how many functionally illiterate people from cities like Detroit and Philadelphia will vote the same way they've voted for the last 60 years.

47% of Detroit is either illiterate or functionally illiterate.  It has the the lowest ranked schools in the country in spite of ranking 8th nationally in spending per student. I'm sure this term will be different, though.

Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on November 09, 2020, 03:52:28 PM
This is completely false. Colombians, Brazilians (Portuguese speaking, I know), Venezuelans, Cubans, and other people of South American descent all showed a ton of enthusiasm for Trump and the right. My son is a dual-citizen of Colombia and that entire side of his family (all immigrants) had MAGA hats and enthusiasm for Trump.

Bush got 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.  Trump could have built on that if he didn't put his foot in his mouth and the Hillary campaign brilliantly didn't let Hispanics forget for a minute.

Most groups of Hispanics are a natural fit for the right.  They generally:  are Catholic, place an emphasis on family values, reject identity politics, support the Second Amendment (especially in the Sun Belt), dislike excuses, and support law and order. The outpouring of support from Florida Hispanics gives many Hispanics elsewhere the license to express their support for the right.
.  The reason Republicans are in trouble in texas and arizona is the latino demographic. Florida is an exception to the rule.  Mexicans and Central Americans are the growing demographic which will push states to the Democratic side. Not too many new cuban immigrants
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on November 09, 2020, 05:08:31 PM
.  The reason Republicans are in trouble in texas and arizona is the latino demographic. Florida is an exception to the rule.  Mexicans and Central Americans are the growing demographic which will push states to the Democratic side. Not too many new cuban immigrants

I disagree. Political parties must evolve or they die. The democrats were enforcing Jim Crow laws with their militant arm, the KKK, in the 50's and they were getting 95% of the black vote by the end of the 60's.

The GOP has to not only embrace Hispanic voters, but make them the backbone of the party. There are obviously subgroups within that massive demographic where Republicans won't fair well in. Mexican-Americans will be a strength. What happens if the right runs Cruz or Rubio? The right simply cannot exist beyond 2020 without a massive shift.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 09, 2020, 05:13:28 PM
This is completely false. Colombians, Brazilians (Portuguese speaking, I know), Venezuelans, Cubans, and other people of South American descent all showed a ton of enthusiasm for Trump and the right. My son is a dual-citizen of Colombia and that entire side of his family (all immigrants) had MAGA hats and enthusiasm for Trump.

Bush got 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.  Trump could have built on that if he didn't put his foot in his mouth and the Hillary campaign brilliantly didn't let Hispanics forget for a minute.

Most groups of Hispanics are a natural fit for the right.  They generally:  are Catholic, place an emphasis on family values, reject identity politics, support the Second Amendment (especially in the Sun Belt), dislike excuses, and support law and order. The outpouring of support from Florida Hispanics gives many Hispanics elsewhere the license to express their support for the right.


MAGA hats? What day is trash day?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 09, 2020, 05:18:02 PM
This is completely false. Colombians, Brazilians (Portuguese speaking, I know), Venezuelans, Cubans, and other people of South American descent all showed a ton of enthusiasm for Trump and the right. My son is a dual-citizen of Colombia and that entire side of his family (all immigrants) had MAGA hats and enthusiasm for Trump.

Bush got 44% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.  Trump could have built on that if he didn't put his foot in his mouth and the Hillary campaign brilliantly didn't let Hispanics forget for a minute.

Most groups of Hispanics are a natural fit for the right.  They generally:  are Catholic, place an emphasis on family values, reject identity politics, support the Second Amendment (especially in the Sun Belt), dislike excuses, and support law and order. The outpouring of support from Florida Hispanics gives many Hispanics elsewhere the license to express their support for the right.


You just make stuff up. Hispanics did not come out in favor of Trump outside of one state. And what state was that? F’n Florida, because of course it was. Even Georgia knew better.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on November 09, 2020, 06:33:14 PM
Dixiecrats have no relation to the democratic party of today. The kkk and their ilk are today solidly in the  republican camp, home of racism since Nixon
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 09, 2020, 08:01:27 PM
Dixiecrats have no relation to the democratic party of today. The kkk and their ilk are today solidly in the  republican camp, home of racism since Nixon

Truth.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on November 10, 2020, 04:09:08 PM
The kkk and their ilk are today solidly in the  republican camp, home of racism since Nixon

"Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle"

"There are white n*ggers. I've seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time; I'm going to use that word."

Barrack Obama, "a light-skinned African-American with no negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

Damned republican racists.

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/2015/07/17/USATODAY/USATODAY/635727481112216492-AP-Veepstakes.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 10, 2020, 05:52:59 PM
Is that a picture of an exotic dancer or is Biden just fantasizing?  :-[ :( :'(
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 10, 2020, 07:07:44 PM
"Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle"

"There are white n*ggers. I've seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time; I'm going to use that word."

Barrack Obama, "a light-skinned African-American with no negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

Damned republican racists.

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/2015/07/17/USATODAY/USATODAY/635727481112216492-AP-Veepstakes.jpg)

Why are you sad comrade?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on November 11, 2020, 04:16:39 PM
Why are you sad comrade?

You'd better hope there's no socialist revolution Scarsdale, because neo capitalist dupes like you will be first for the rope.

Point of fact the election aftermath has left me sanguine. I had four years of a game show host president cum troll and in his wake more people allegedly voted for this guy

(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/acc/021/6aca1ab1629c7de8d8169f28fd8ea71d11-02-joe-biden-finger-nibble-wife.rsquare.w700.jpg)

than clean and articulate Barack Obama. I mean come on man. Sure he was the first coal miner from his family to graduate first in his class with three degrees from a coal mine, but more votes than Obama? Sounds like malarkey. Even you can admit that.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on November 11, 2020, 08:45:16 PM
You'd better hope there's no socialist revolution Scarsdale, because neo capitalist dupes like you will be first for the rope.

Point of fact the election aftermath has left me sanguine. I had four years of a game show host president cum troll and in his wake more people allegedly voted for this guy

(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/acc/021/6aca1ab1629c7de8d8169f28fd8ea71d11-02-joe-biden-finger-nibble-wife.rsquare.w700.jpg)

than clean and articulate Barack Obama. I mean come on man. Sure he was the first coal miner from his family to graduate first in his class with three degrees from a coal mine, but more votes than Obama? Sounds like malarkey. Even you can admit that.

the votes weren’t for Biden, they were against the cancer that is trump, a vote fueled by justifiable hatred of the man. Hatred can be a great motivator
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 12, 2020, 07:56:55 AM
the votes weren’t for Biden, they were against the cancer that is trump, a vote fueled by justifiable hatred of the man. Hatred can be a great motivator

Biden is a good man. Trump is not. The choice between the two of them is obvious, provided you’re not a stupid piece of shit.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on November 12, 2020, 09:47:38 AM
obvious but 70 million of us are unfortunately blind
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 12, 2020, 12:03:11 PM
Biden is a good man. Trump is not. The choice between the two of them is obvious, provided you’re not a stupid piece of shit.
If by good man you mean a crook then you are right. Used to give more weight to type of person a candidate is but now realize they are all the same all I care about is their policies meaning I'd vote for Jeffrey Dahmer if his political views more aligned with mine than the other candidate.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 12, 2020, 12:27:09 PM
If by good man you mean a crook then you are right. Used to give more weight to type of person a candidate is but now realize they are all the same all I care about is their policies meaning I'd vote for Jeffrey Dahmer if his political views more aligned with mine than the other candidate.

A conspiracy theorist has no evidence that something is a fact, but he believes it anyway. Don’t be that guy.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on November 12, 2020, 04:26:08 PM
Biden is a good man.

And he loves children.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYBDWBaV4AMNUFv.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 12, 2020, 06:28:58 PM
And he loves children.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYBDWBaV4AMNUFv.jpg)

Do you always source from Info Wars, or is that just your go to for fake political shit?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on November 12, 2020, 08:03:14 PM
Do you always source from Info Wars, or is that just your go to for fake political shit?

That was a PBS link Scarsdale, which I relied on because if you use porn hub to look up vice presidential CP they flag your IP address. Or so I've heard anyway. Anyhoo, enjoy this, from the NYT. Another example of a perfectly normal interaction between a geriatric and a child by a good man.

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2013/01/27/fashion/27BIDEN2/27BIDEN2-jumbo-v3.jpg)

I kid, I kid. I remember when my grandfather kissed me like this. We all do.

(https://static.ffx.io/images/afade26ca0af65f70771ebb62379e44045973211)

No seriously, this is all perfectly normal. I kissed my wife like this once. It was a long time ago, but still.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP0yfY9WoAA-zgR.jpg)

A good man and a good father. Several of his children haven't accused him of molesting them. The living sober ones anyway.


Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 13, 2020, 07:41:50 AM
8 years of Biden, followed by 8 years of Kamala. Where we go one, we go all. We will become a socialist America. I can’t wait.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 13, 2020, 10:42:00 AM
8 years of Biden, followed by 8 years of Kamala. Where we go one, we go all. We will become a socialist America. I can’t wait.

Do you mean to tell me we will have to wait 16 years to become a full blown communist country? How disappointing.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 13, 2020, 01:10:42 PM
Do you mean to tell me we will have to wait 16 years to become a full blown communist country? How disappointing.

President LeBron James will see to it.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on November 13, 2020, 04:33:20 PM
8 years of Biden

Unless you can call a lid on death he won't last eight months.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 13, 2020, 04:55:08 PM
President LeBron James will see to it.
Guess he will bitch, moan, complain and dribble his way to the White House huh?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 13, 2020, 05:50:30 PM
Guess he will bitch, moan, complain and dribble his way to the White House huh?

First the trash has to be taken out.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 14, 2020, 12:50:26 AM
First the trash has to be taken out.
Right, you said after 8 years of the hoe in the oval orifice.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: cjfish on November 15, 2020, 10:32:21 AM
Unless you can call a lid on death he won't last eight months.


Are you a doctor now Foad?  Fatboy Trump much more likely to go first with his obesity, fast food diet, lack of exercise and stress caused by the realization that he is a loser. Joe jogs to the podium, Trump drinks with two hands and cant handle a simple incline. 
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 15, 2020, 06:19:21 PM

Are you a doctor now Foad?  Fatboy Trump much more likely to go first with his obesity, fast food diet, lack of exercise and stress caused by the realization that he is a loser. Joe jogs to the podium, Trump drinks with two hands and cant handle a simple incline. 

Trump is not a well man.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on November 16, 2020, 08:54:06 AM
Biden is a good man. Trump is not. The choice between the two of them is obvious, provided you’re not a stupid piece of shit.

He might be a good man, but was openly racist for the fist 5-6 decades of his life.  I encourage you to watch his interaction with Clarence Thomas.  The hatred painted all over Biden's face as he assassinates the character of Thomas can be nothing other than racism. Trump may be racist himself, but he's never publicly uttered a single phrase that would be in the degree of Biden's greatest hits.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on November 16, 2020, 08:55:02 AM
Is that a picture of an exotic dancer or is Biden just fantasizing?  :-[ :( :'(

Settle down, Charlie Chaplin.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Johnny23 on November 16, 2020, 10:40:51 AM
He might be a good man, but was openly racist for the fist 5-6 decades of his life.  I encourage you to watch his interaction with Clarence Thomas.  The hatred painted all over Biden's face as he assassinates the character of Thomas can be nothing other than racism. Trump may be racist himself, but he's never publicly uttered a single phrase that would be in the degree of Biden's greatest hits.

Trump called Mexicans "rapists". May be racist? That right there would qualify as racist by any standard. And that's only the tip of the iceberg. Your guy lost. Game over.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 16, 2020, 11:52:18 AM
Trump called Mexicans "rapists". May be racist? That right there would qualify as racist by any standard. And that's only the tip of the iceberg. Your guy lost. Game over.
That is total bullshit and you know it. He was referring to the fact if you do not vet those crossing the boarder you could be letting rapists into our country which is totally logical and would go for any country letting in any people.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Johnny23 on November 16, 2020, 01:36:15 PM
That is total bullshit and you know it. He was referring to the fact if you do not vet those crossing the boarder you could be letting rapists into our country which is totally logical and would go for any country letting in any people.

It's not total bullshit. He said it. Stop lying and google it. It's there for all to see. Your boy lost. Get over it. If he doesn't leave they will forcibly remove his ass. Literally. God Bless the Constitution for lowlife punks like you and your ilk.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on November 16, 2020, 04:23:08 PM
It's not total bullshit. He said it. Stop lying and google it. It's there for all to see.

Well not quite, and thus your blatant lie is rated four pants on fire by me, an independent non partisan fact checker.

HEADLINE: Trump calls Mexicans good people.

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best; they're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

https://time.com/4473972/donald-trump-mexico-meeting-insult/

(https://static.politifact.com/img/meter-pants-fire.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on November 16, 2020, 08:14:04 PM
Trump called Mexicans "rapists". May be racist? That right there would qualify as racist by any standard. And that's only the tip of the iceberg. Your guy lost. Game over.

Are you lazy, stupid, or both?  It would have taken you less time to disprove your statement than it took to write it.  But, hey, why let facts get in the way of perpetuating a lie.

You know what's not a lie, though? Biden arguing on the record that he didn't want black students bussed into his kids school because it would create a racial jungle. But I guess you can look past that and the other few hundred recorded racist statements he made. 

It's really tough to tell blatant racists and white liberals apart these days.  What would a racist say about blacks?  Control their population and keep them away from other races and their kids.  Enter the white liberal:  let's kill two million black would-be children a year with abortions, lets fight against school choice so black kids have to go to violent failing schools, and let's up welfare to incentivize single motherhood (if they can't first be tricked in to killing the baby...oops, bundles of cells), and section 8 housing to keep them separated from the rest of us generation after generation.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 16, 2020, 08:48:24 PM
Are you lazy, stupid, or both?  It would have taken you less time to disprove your statement than it took to write it.  But, hey, why let facts get in the way of perpetuating a lie.

You know what's not a lie, though? Biden arguing on the record that he didn't want black students bussed into his kids school because it would create a racial jungle. But I guess you can look past that and the other few hundred recorded racist statements he made. 

It's really tough to tell blatant racists and white liberals apart these days.  What would a racist say about blacks?  Control their population and keep them away from other races and their kids.  Enter the white liberal:  let's kill two million black would-be children a year with abortions, lets fight against school choice so black kids have to go to violent failing schools, and let's up welfare to incentivize single motherhood (if they can't first be tricked in to killing the baby...oops, bundles of cells), and section 8 housing to keep them separated from the rest of us generation after generation.

You sound like you’re in a cult.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 16, 2020, 09:42:04 PM
You sound like you’re in a cult.
But not the Democrats cult.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on November 16, 2020, 11:49:27 PM
You sound like you’re in a cult.

Can you walk me through your thought process on this? 
I trust that the irony of a liberal accusing someone of being in a cult is lost on you.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Johnny23 on November 17, 2020, 07:05:16 AM
Well not quite, and thus your blatant lie is rated four pants on fire by me, an independent non partisan fact checker.

HEADLINE: Trump calls Mexicans good people.

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best; they're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

https://time.com/4473972/donald-trump-mexico-meeting-insult/

(https://static.politifact.com/img/meter-pants-fire.jpg)

You wouldn't know the meaning of non partisan if it smacked you between the eyes. Btw do you think your headline changes the fact of what he said?

He said they are "rapists". And your quote points that out again. That quote you sent out did not help your retort.

Of course it does not.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Johnny23 on November 17, 2020, 07:06:39 AM
Are you lazy, stupid, or both?  It would have taken you less time to disprove your statement than it took to write it.  But, hey, why let facts get in the way of perpetuating a lie.

You know what's not a lie, though? Biden arguing on the record that he didn't want black students bussed into his kids school because it would create a racial jungle. But I guess you can look past that and the other few hundred recorded racist statements he made. 

It's really tough to tell blatant racists and white liberals apart these days.  What would a racist say about blacks?  Control their population and keep them away from other races and their kids.  Enter the white liberal:  let's kill two million black would-be children a year with abortions, lets fight against school choice so black kids have to go to violent failing schools, and let's up welfare to incentivize single motherhood (if they can't first be tricked in to killing the baby...oops, bundles of cells), and section 8 housing to keep them separated from the rest of us generation after generation.

If it took you that much babble to try and disprove that Trump called Mexicans "rapists"  then clearly you lost the argument, and the War.

See you in 8 years when you come out of hiding, Trumper.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on November 17, 2020, 04:29:21 PM
You wouldn't know the meaning of non partisan if it smacked you between the eyes. Btw do you think your headline changes the fact of what he said?

No. I thought I was being ironic, which you didn't understand, because sarcasm is wasted on the stupid.

Quote
He said they are "rapists". And your quote points that out again. That quote you sent out did not help your retort.

I agree with your use of the word "retort," a noun meaning a "wittily incisive reply." That though is where we part company.

According to the quote I posted Trump said that Mexico was not sending its best people; rather it was sending people with problems. Implicit in that statement is that there are Mexicans who are "good people" and who don't have problems. Leaving aside that Mexicans are not a race, it's not racist to notice that there are people of a particular genetic make up that have problems. It is in fact racist to pretend otherwise.

If I were to say that Cuba sent rapists and drug dealers to the US during the Mariel boatlift, would that be racists against Cubans? I mean, did you see Scarface? If I were to say that England sent rapists to Australia in the 18th century, would that be racists against Anglo Saxons? Come on man, that's malarkey. Even you're not that dumb.

I don't get it. You should be happy. You proudly voted for a senile corrupt serial liar and soon enough he'll be inaugurated as the most powerful man in the world who touches children inappropriately since Jeffrey Epstein snuffed it. And of course you had no choice, because despite being a pedophile he was running against a former game show host literally Hitler and we can't have that. And soon enough thanks to your vote the US will be back to murdering brown people in the Middle East, which makes for great television. As a sometimes TV watcher I appreciate your dedication to the resistance.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 17, 2020, 07:47:57 PM
Flies are like Biden supporters-Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly would not understand.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 17, 2020, 08:05:55 PM
Flies are like Biden supporters-Even if the bee could explain to the fly why pollen is better than shit, the fly would not understand.

Biden won because the country had enough of Trump.

Since this is a St.John’s Basketball board, it’s not off topic to remind you that we won’t be attending St.John’s basketball games this year because of our stupid and careless President that you’ve been duped into supporting no matter what he destroys.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 17, 2020, 08:52:32 PM
Biden won because the country had enough of Trump.

Since this is a St.John’s Basketball board, it’s not off topic to remind you that we won’t be attending St.John’s basketball games this year because of our stupid and careless President that you’ve been duped into supporting no matter what he destroys.
Definitely could have done a lot better but it's still the China virus.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Johnny23 on November 17, 2020, 11:19:12 PM
No. I thought I was being ironic, which you didn't understand, because sarcasm is wasted on the stupid.

I agree with your use of the word "retort," a noun meaning a "wittily incisive reply." That though is where we part company.

According to the quote I posted Trump said that Mexico was not sending its best people; rather it was sending people with problems. Implicit in that statement is that there are Mexicans who are "good people" and who don't have problems. Leaving aside that Mexicans are not a race, it's not racist to notice that there are people of a particular genetic make up that have problems. It is in fact racist to pretend otherwise.

If I were to say that Cuba sent rapists and drug dealers to the US during the Mariel boatlift, would that be racists against Cubans? I mean, did you see Scarface? If I were to say that England sent rapists to Australia in the 18th century, would that be racists against Anglo Saxons? Come on man, that's malarkey. Even you're not that dumb.

I don't get it. You should be happy. You proudly voted for a senile corrupt serial liar and soon enough he'll be inaugurated as the most powerful man in the world who touches children inappropriately since Jeffrey Epstein snuffed it. And of course you had no choice, because despite being a pedophile he was running against a former game show host literally Hitler and we can't have that. And soon enough thanks to your vote the US will be back to murdering brown people in the Middle East, which makes for great television. As a sometimes TV watcher I appreciate your dedication to the resistance.

You mean the same Jeffrey Epstein that was a rear of a donkey buddies with your boy Trump?

Or in your world of warped morality you somehow believe the "senile corrupt serial liar" is worse than the guy who believes once you become famous that you get to "grab 'em by the pussy"?

Sounds like your "implicitly" full of shit.

Just think, (even though that's hard for you to do) you may get 8 years of Joe followed by 8 more years of the first minority, female President in history. What a country. Enjoy.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 18, 2020, 12:50:30 AM
Definitely could have done a lot better but it's still the China virus.

Eliminating the pandemic team in retrospect was actually exactly the kind of brain dead decision the right accuses Biden of making.

Incorrectly, of course.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Marillac on November 18, 2020, 02:04:12 AM
You wouldn't know the meaning of non partisan if it smacked you between the eyes. Btw do you think your headline changes the fact of what he said?

He said they are "rapists". And your quote points that out again. That quote you sent out did not help your retort.

Of course it does not.

You should probably have more intelligent members of your team make arguments on your behalf. Why would you put rapists in quotes when Trump using that term is not disputed?  The disagreement is over the context the term was used. You refuse to quote him correctly and want to remove all context of his statement. Trump's statement was recorded and can readily be found on Youtube -- but your bias renders your ignorance impenetrable.

How do you feel about Biden saying he didn't want black kids bussed in to his kid's school out of fear of creating a racial jungle?  There is no need to change his words or take them out of context either.  By any reasonable standard, his statement (and many others) are worse than anything Trump ever uttered about race.

I don't even dislike Joe Biden.  I think he's clearly compromised cognitively, but I find him a likeable guy if I'm being honest. But you maniacs beat the racism drum so hard for four years. You talk about sexism, how Trump is a rapist, and how inarticulate he is...and then run JOE BIDEN. I have no complaints for anyone who wants to argue policy differences, but to act like Biden is morally or ethically superior to Trump is simply not based in reality.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 18, 2020, 07:34:41 AM
You should probably have more intelligent members of your team make arguments on your behalf. Why would you put rapists in quotes when Trump using that term is not disputed?  The disagreement is over the context the term was used. You refuse to quote him correctly and want to remove all context of his statement. Trump's statement was recorded and can readily be found on Youtube -- but your bias renders your ignorance impenetrable.

How do you feel about Biden saying he didn't want black kids bussed in to his kid's school out of fear of creating a racial jungle?  There is no need to change his words or take them out of context either.  By any reasonable standard, his statement (and many others) are worse than anything Trump ever uttered about race.

I don't even dislike Joe Biden.  I think he's clearly compromised cognitively, but I find him a likeable guy if I'm being honest. But you maniacs beat the racism drum so hard for four years. You talk about sexism, how Trump is a rapist, and how inarticulate he is...and then run JOE BIDEN. I have no complaints for anyone who wants to argue policy differences, but to act like Biden is morally or ethically superior to Trump is simply not based in reality.

Let’s assume both of them are over 70, and senile. Trump is a racist. When he says racist things, and doesn’t clarify his intent, that’s by design. Trump’s dog whistles to the Proud Boys and other white supremacist groups are messages to his base, but the left sees right through it.

Let’s just look at the last 4 years. Trump has done a terrible job. Why isn’t that reason enough to vote him out? You think the left thinks Biden is a savior? Wrong again. He’s not Trump, and nothing else matters.

Trump has handled the pandemic as poorly as anyone could have imagined. He’s not on this for our America, and yeah, he’s got friends, but it’s funny that you think you’re not something he’d step on, and keep walking as if nothing happened.

Because to Trump, you are truly nothing.

Everything he touches dies, so it’s fitting that the GOP lost Arizona and Georgia, two states that should have been easy to keep in the white trash family.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 18, 2020, 07:50:10 AM
BTW, how’s the counting going? Looks like some really late nights.

It will all be worth it when they overturn the election (whoever they is) and make Trump president for another 4 years. Or 8, or 12.

Actually, I’m looking forward to a really, really angry FBI.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Johnny23 on November 18, 2020, 09:07:52 AM
You should probably have more intelligent members of your team make arguments on your behalf. Why would you put rapists in quotes when Trump using that term is not disputed?  The disagreement is over the context the term was used. You refuse to quote him correctly and want to remove all context of his statement. Trump's statement was recorded and can readily be found on Youtube -- but your bias renders your ignorance impenetrable.

How do you feel about Biden saying he didn't want black kids bussed in to his kid's school out of fear of creating a racial jungle?  There is no need to change his words or take them out of context either.  By any reasonable standard, his statement (and many others) are worse than anything Trump ever uttered about race.

I don't even dislike Joe Biden.  I think he's clearly compromised cognitively, but I find him a likeable guy if I'm being honest. But you maniacs beat the racism drum so hard for four years. You talk about sexism, how Trump is a rapist, and how inarticulate he is...and then run JOE BIDEN. I have no complaints for anyone who wants to argue policy differences, but to act like Biden is morally or ethically superior to Trump is simply not based in reality.

There's nothing even remotely reasonable about that statement.

If you polled any rational person and asked them who is the more racially tolerant person Biden wins in a landslide. It's not even close. And clearly the racial divide in this country (which was at a boiling point until the election) was representative of this.

Oh and even in full context, Trump's statements about Mexicans, Muslims, women, on, and on and on are still overtly discriminatory.

Clearly you have the Orange blinders on to even make a statement acting like Trump is not a vile, hate filled, human being. Anyone with a pulse knows that not to be the case.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 18, 2020, 01:55:49 PM
Let’s assume both of them are over 70, and senile. Trump is a racist. When he says racist things, and doesn’t clarify his intent, that’s by design. Trump’s dog whistles to the Proud Boys and other white supremacist groups are messages to his base, but the left sees right through it.

Let’s just look at the last 4 years. Trump has done a terrible job. Why isn’t that reason enough to vote him out? You think the left thinks Biden is a savior? Wrong again. He’s not Trump, and nothing else matters.

Trump has handled the pandemic as poorly as anyone could have imagined. He’s not on this for our America, and yeah, he’s got friends, but it’s funny that you think you’re not something he’d step on, and keep walking as if nothing happened.

Because to Trump, you are truly nothing.

Everything he touches dies, so it’s fitting that the GOP lost Arizona and Georgia, two states that should have been easy to keep in the white trash family.
How about ya boy Biden maintaining that ANTIFA is not an organization but an ideology? Guess teenaged girls dressed in black beating up old ladies and members of this organization throwing fireworks at diners is just a movie huh? This denial is a signal of support to the most violent terrorist organization in the U.S.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 18, 2020, 03:21:47 PM
How about ya boy Biden maintaining that ANTIFA is not an organization but an ideology? Guess teenaged girls dressed in black beating up old ladies and members of this organization throwing fireworks at diners is just a movie huh? This denial is a signal of support to the most violent terrorist organization in the U.S.

How exactly do you know what had Antifa responsible for?

And if they are members how did they become members?

I think it’s time to have a seat on the couch, put CNN on, and leave it on. At least, that would be a start.

But you make a good point, if they were an organization, like a non-profit, they could accept donations. I’ll alert headquarters. Just think what you have started.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on November 18, 2020, 03:54:58 PM
You mean the same Jeffrey Epstein that was a rear of a donkey buddies with your boy Trump?

If you'd been paying attention you'd have noticed that Trump is not attracted to children, he's attracted to bimbos - centerfolds, models, starlets, etc. (Except Melania obviously, she's no bimbo, she speaks six languages). In fact he banned Epstein from Mar a lago for hitting on an underaged girl, this long before Epstein was convicted. And Brad Edwards, lawyer for one of Epstein's victims, Virginia Guiffre, pictured here with a credibly accused rapist

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/18/16/32093410-8639501-image-a-2_1597762930515.jpg)

whose "lawsuit ... ultimately led to a new investigation and Epstein’s arrest" said of Trump that he was “the only person who picked up the phone and said Let's just talk." Which is not what guilty people do, I can tell you from bitter experience.

Other than that you make your usual salient points.


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Or in your world of warped morality you somehow believe the "senile corrupt serial liar"

Well he's not just a senile corrupt serial liar. He's also a racist who feared that integration would create a "racial jungle" and whose "Biden Crime Bill" put blacks in prison at record rates, many of them for the very behavior that his son took selfies of; who when asked about his possible appeal in the south said that Delaware "was a slave state that fought beside the North ... only because we couldn't figure out how to get to the South"; who called Obama "clean and articulate"; and who thinks blacks who wander off the democrat plantation "ain't black." And if he's not an actual pedophile - which he probably is, which explains why his son is one - he's at the very least, very very creepy.

(https://i.redd.it/xp9x284vcdo01.jpg)
 
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is worse than the guy who believes once you become famous that you get to "grab 'em by the pussy"?

One of the reasons men seek celebrity is so they can act inappropriately with women. I don't doubt that Trump did, although I doubt he sodomized a fat teenager with a cigar on Easter morning in the toilet outside the Oval Office. Mote, eye, etc.

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Sounds like your "implicitly" full of shit.

That would be "you're" implicitly full of shit Einstein. If your [sic] going to be condescending at least use proper grammar when doing so.


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you may get 8 years of Joe followed by 8 more years of the first minority, female President in history. What a country. Enjoy.

Eight years, good luck with that. The dims have already floated the 25th amendment trial balloon, which balloon was sent aloft by Pelosi to clear the way for getting rid of Biden when he starts drooling on his teleprompter during press conferences, assuming he can stay awake long enough to give any. And although some of my favorite ex wives are minority females I find Harris a giggling mediocrity, as do most blacks: she polled at six percent among them in the democrat primary field. Still, I think it's a testament to this country that a woman this authentically African American

(https://www.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_size_444x250/HT/p2/2020/08/14/Pictures/_fd5935d6-de27-11ea-a9c1-0156c0fcc051.jpg)

can get ahead just by banging Willie Brown. Here we agree: what a country.

Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on November 18, 2020, 04:00:28 PM
But you make a good point, if they were an organization, like a non-profit, they could accept donations. I’ll alert headquarters. Just think what you have started.

This might have been a good point if you weren't so hopeless. Here's a link. Although evidently they don't have a Scarsdale branch yet.

https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/support-antifa-sacramento-atlanta-antifascists
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 18, 2020, 05:53:27 PM
This might have been a good point if you weren't so hopeless. Here's a link. Although evidently they don't have a Scarsdale branch yet.

https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/support-antifa-sacramento-atlanta-antifascists

I am Antifa because I’m against fascism. If you are anti Antifa, guess what you are?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Foad on November 18, 2020, 07:01:36 PM
I am Antifa because I’m against fascism. If you are anti Antifa, guess what you are?

The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is democratic, it's right there in the name. The American Freedom Party stands for freedom. Good grief Scarsdale, you're not even trying anymore.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Moon Mullen on November 20, 2020, 07:37:55 PM
It’s still no contest Foad, it’s like your responding to children.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Poison on November 20, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
It’s still no contest Foad, it’s like your responding to children.

Do you really expect a bunch of snowflakes to match the immense maturity of Donald Trump?
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Moon Mullen on November 21, 2020, 09:33:03 PM
And I thought you were only knowledgeable about hoops.
Title: Re: 2020 Election
Post by: Celtics11 on November 22, 2020, 12:10:05 AM
And I thought you were only knowledgeable about hoops.
Wrong on both counts.