6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2009 Class => Topic started by: TRabinowitz on January 15, 2008, 12:37:30 AM
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A film crew has been following Lance around for the last number of months and they have decided to use the footage for short-web episodes on him. The trailor, plus the first 2 episodes can be seen at www.bornready.tv
2 new episodes will be published each day for the rest of the week and then one new episode a week after that.
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wish these things were a lot longer.
he seems like a nice kid who's rough around the edges.
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=814281
Since Lance Stephenson was participating in the games at the St. Johns University team camp, the school took advantage of the opportunity to give Lance a tour of the campus.
Lance Stephenson with Dad at St. John's
The unofficial visit was given Tuesday, June 3rd, on the second day of the Abraham Lincoln phenom's play schedule.
"I got to meet the coach, I got to play with the players in a scrimmage and it was real fun", said Stephenson. "I've only been to front entrance by the main gym. I didn't know it was that big, so I got to see the rest of the school."
"I think if I come to St. Johns I think I can make the team better and I can bring more players," said Stephenson.
Stephenson could definitely bring success and more talent, but he's keeping his options open. He said that USC, Kansas, and Tennessee are also interested in him, but he won't be making any other visits until the fall.
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a glimmer of hope.
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This young man will not go far from home in my opinion...
I have been saying for 2 years SJU had a chance with him if they played it right... who knows if it happens...
It would not shock me at all if he ended up at Seton Hall or Rutgers either.....
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he loves playing at MSG. and he seriously seems like the kid who would stay home. and he loves the media and he'd LOVE to bring a NYC back to the big dance.
we have a small chance imo. w/ a better coach (even a paul hewitt) we would have a much b better chance
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if norm lands him, i become a believer and sip the kool-aid.
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if norm lands him, i become a believer and sip the kool-aid.
if norm lands him, and we land omari and kevin....all will be forgiven...yes all 5 years......
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Lance, do it for the city of NY....your gonna be a lottery pick for 2010's draft, so minus will make us miserable fans happy for one year!
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Imagine being one of the Studs that committs to STJ and help really turn this thing around. He would become legendary in the NYC. He is such a talent that others would follow. Lance you could be LEGENDARY in NYC!!
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Lance you could be LEGENDARY in NYC!!
He is already pretty damm close...
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It's very simple. Does he have the guts?
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It's very simple. Does he have the guts?
GUTS..? please. . that is a just a silly thing to say...
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that sounds like something mr. chris russo would say.
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my open letter to lance stephenson: myrandomsportsblog.blogspot.com
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Lance you could be LEGENDARY in NYC!!
He is already pretty damm close...
Felipe Lopez, Anthony Glover, Omar Cook, Lenny Cooke (almost)
Come on over Stephenson (pops and entourage too) and join your place along these recent NYC legends
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this man is sick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_coa9WjvcYU&feature=related
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That guy never misses! :D
All kidding aside, I get goosebumps just thinking about him wearing red.
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THe Athletic Dept should hire this kids father, maybe DOBO or something
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A kid like Lance Stephenson would have to be INSANE not to see the potential on him coming to SJU. You put him alongside juniors like Burrell, Evans, Coker, Kennedy, Thomas & Boothe to go with the 7'1 Wait & our new influx of talented/tough/physical guards. And imo u are talking about the original "Beast Of The East" being back in business baby. MSG/NYC would rock like it never has before if this kid had the guts to wear the Red & White... He would quickly become a basketball LEGEND in this town & nationally as well.. 8) .. Unfortunately, he'll probably end up taking the "easy" way out. Sad.
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MSG/NYC would rock like it never has before if this kid had the guts to wear the Red & White...
Guts? Thats not necessary. Quit Goatin' the man.
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MSG/NYC would rock like it never has before if this kid had the guts to wear the Red & White...
Guts? Thats not necessary. Quit Goatin' the man.
I'm not "goatin" the man. Just speakin' the truth... If he really loves NYC & playing in MSG so much. Then have the balls to stand on ur own and choose SJU. Instead of listening to his "entourage" & his AAU coach.. ::) .. It's that simple. "Guts" might have been a poor choice of words but that is what i meant... peace!
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MSG/NYC would rock like it never has before if this kid had the guts to wear the Red & White...
Guts? Thats not necessary. Quit Goatin' the man.
I'm not "goatin" the man. Just speakin' the truth... If he really loves NYC & playing in MSG so much. Then have the balls to stand on ur own and choose SJU. Instead of listening to his "entourage" & his AAU coach.. ::) .. It's that simple. "Guts" might have been a poor choice of words but that is what i meant... peace!
You have a local player who is about to make the most important decision of his life. . one that will impact himself and his family FOREVER...
But you think he should have "THE GUTS" to go to St. John's..? you have to be kidding me... and especially in regards to Lance Stephenson... he is already a LEGEND in the basketball community... he can go anywhere he wants.... he doesn't need St. John's. . St. John's desperately needs him...
This kid a sure fire NBA Lottery pick.. but he needs THE GUTS to come play for a coach who has to develop a single NBA Draft pick... Old Red.. even for you. . this one was horrendous...
I do think there is a chance he stays home and I have been saying it for over a year but no one can fault the kid if he opts to play for a coach with an established record of sending kids to the NBA...
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If there is a chance that this kid plays at SJU, it will simply depend on 3 things:
1. how our team looks this year,
2. norm's situation in 09.
3. Mr. Stephenson's take
the money/nba is already there, count it. nothing to do with guts or becoming a legend......
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If there is a chance that this kid plays at SJU, it will simply depend on 3 things:
1. how our team looks this year,
2. norm's situation in 09.
3. Mr. Stephenson's take
the money/nba is already there, count it. nothing to do with guts or becoming a legend......
Hire the father now
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I wonder if World Wide Wes has been in contact with Lance?
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Holy sh*t, go get him NORM!
http://blog.zagsblog.net/2008/06/14/lance-has-final-four.aspx
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Never seen stephenson play but have heard he is a likely one and done. Is he the savior we need? Would anyone change their opinion of norm if we landed him?
"I know it has been down in the past, but St. John's has a great tradition. Coach Roberts is trying, he's working hard. He's out recruiting, trying to get some of the best caliber kids. He's working hard. With Lance working hard, I think it could definitely happen."
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so you're telling me there's a chance
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there's most defintely a chance! if he comes and our players develop we can make it to march madness.
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so you're telling me there's a chance
From what i hear Lance was very surprised/impressed with our talent level. Plus, he loved the coaches. Like i said, he and his pop would be insane not to see the huge oppurtunity he would have here at SJU/MSG/NYC.. ;D .. Keep ur fingers crossed folks.
"Right now we're down to Kansas, UCLA and USC," Stephenson Sr. said after his summer team, Raising Champions, blew a 21-point lead and was upset by the Central Jersey Hawks, 66-64, in their first game at Fordham University. "St. John's, too. St. John's came on late after the team camp that they had last week. Lance liked what he saw there, so that's kind of the new team.
"We're trying to narrow it down at this point, so I would say that's about it."
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there's most defintely a chance! if he comes and our players develop we can make it to march madness.
he must have read your letter..:)
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Never seen stephenson play but have heard he is a likely one and done. Is he the savior we need? Would anyone change their opinion of norm if we landed him?
"I know it has been down in the past, but St. John's has a great tradition. Coach Roberts is trying, he's working hard. He's out recruiting, trying to get some of the best caliber kids. He's working hard. With Lance working hard, I think it could definitely happen."
norm would make ALOT of people (including myself) eat their words if he lands lance. i still think sju's shot at lance is VERY slim though, but obviously that news is encouraging.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/weiss/2008/06/lance-cuts-college-list-to-thr.html
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MSG/NYC would rock like it never has before if this kid had the guts to wear the Red & White...
Guts? Thats not necessary. Quit Goatin' the man.
Actually, I think that guts has a lot to do with it. Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton came here, and it backfired for them big time. The NY media came down on them like they were pros. Ron Artest might be crazy, but he has a set of brass balls. Did it intefere with his decision? Barkley, too.
SJU needs kids that want to be in the limelight, not kids that settle for lower level ACC teams just to get out of NYC.
Any top recruit who comes here knows full well that their progress will be tracked like they were a professional athlete.
What kind of ridicule did Willie Dersch go through in Virginia when it became clear that he was barely a D1 talent?
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MSG/NYC would rock like it never has before if this kid had the guts to wear the Red & White...
Guts? Thats not necessary. Quit Goatin' the man.
Actually, I think that guts has a lot to do with it. Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton came here, and it backfired for them big time. The NY media came down on them like they were pros. Ron Artest might be crazy, but he has a set of brass balls. Did it intefere with his decision? Barkley, too.
SJU needs kids that want to be in the limelight, not kids that settle for lower level ACC teams just to get out of NYC.
Any top recruit who comes here knows full well that their progress will be tracked like they were a professional athlete.
What kind of ridicule did Willie Dersch go through in Virginia when it became clear that he was barely a D1 talent?
If SJU is a good fit for Lance, then he will come. Only Lance and his family can determine that. If this is the pitch that is being used, it sounds like desperation.
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MSG/NYC would rock like it never has before if this kid had the guts to wear the Red & White...
Guts? Thats not necessary. Quit Goatin' the man.
Actually, I think that guts has a lot to do with it. Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton came here, and it backfired for them big time. The NY media came down on them like they were pros. Ron Artest might be crazy, but he has a set of brass balls. Did it intefere with his decision? Barkley, too.
SJU needs kids that want to be in the limelight, not kids that settle for lower level ACC teams just to get out of NYC.
Any top recruit who comes here knows full well that their progress will be tracked like they were a professional athlete.
What kind of ridicule did Willie Dersch go through in Virginia when it became clear that he was barely a D1 talent?
MSG/NYC would rock like it never has before if this kid had the guts to wear the Red & White...
Guts? Thats not necessary. Quit Goatin' the man.
Actually, I think that guts has a lot to do with it. Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton came here, and it backfired for them big time. The NY media came down on them like they were pros. Ron Artest might be crazy, but he has a set of brass balls. Did it intefere with his decision? Barkley, too.
SJU needs kids that want to be in the limelight, not kids that settle for lower level ACC teams just to get out of NYC.
Any top recruit who comes here knows full well that their progress will be tracked like they were a professional athlete.
What kind of ridicule did Willie Dersch go through in Virginia when it became clear that he was barely a D1 talent?
STJ was not down in out for any of those players to pick.
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MSG/NYC would rock like it never has before if this kid had the guts to wear the Red & White...
Guts? Thats not necessary. Quit Goatin' the man.
Actually, I think that guts has a lot to do with it. Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton came here, and it backfired for them big time. The NY media came down on them like they were pros. Ron Artest might be crazy, but he has a set of brass balls. Did it intefere with his decision? Barkley, too.
SJU needs kids that want to be in the limelight, not kids that settle for lower level ACC teams just to get out of NYC.
Any top recruit who comes here knows full well that their progress will be tracked like they were a professional athlete.
What kind of ridicule did Willie Dersch go through in Virginia when it became clear that he was barely a D1 talent?
MSG/NYC would rock like it never has before if this kid had the guts to wear the Red & White...
Guts? Thats not necessary. Quit Goatin' the man.
Actually, I think that guts has a lot to do with it. Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton came here, and it backfired for them big time. The NY media came down on them like they were pros. Ron Artest might be crazy, but he has a set of brass balls. Did it intefere with his decision? Barkley, too.
SJU needs kids that want to be in the limelight, not kids that settle for lower level ACC teams just to get out of NYC.
Any top recruit who comes here knows full well that their progress will be tracked like they were a professional athlete.
What kind of ridicule did Willie Dersch go through in Virginia when it became clear that he was barely a D1 talent?
STJ was not down in out for any of those players to pick.
Yea, they were. We were coming off an 12 win season that included an opening game loss to Townson State.
There was no promising talent on the team, and the HOF coach had just retired.
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MSG/NYC would rock like it never has before if this kid had the guts to wear the Red & White...
Guts? Thats not necessary. Quit Goatin' the man.
Actually, I think that guts has a lot to do with it. Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton came here, and it backfired for them big time. The NY media came down on them like they were pros. Ron Artest might be crazy, but he has a set of brass balls. Did it intefere with his decision? Barkley, too.
SJU needs kids that want to be in the limelight, not kids that settle for lower level ACC teams just to get out of NYC.
Any top recruit who comes here knows full well that their progress will be tracked like they were a professional athlete.
What kind of ridicule did Willie Dersch go through in Virginia when it became clear that he was barely a D1 talent?
Great point Poison, I wonder if any of that played into Landesbergs choice of schools?
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Lance says he can "Bring New York Back"
http://w3.nbebasketball.com/index.php/lance-stephenson-i-can-bring-new-york-back/
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too bad we got 1/2 of the criteria he's looking for... i'm telling ya guys, if we had paul hewitt i'd be confident in landing him.
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too bad we got 1/2 of the criteria he's looking for... i'm telling ya guys, if we had paul hewitt i'd be confident in landing him.
Then why isn't Lance Stephenson barking down Georgia Tech's door?
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the combination of hewitt and the home town team would be too much. hewitt has proven he can get guys drafted and develop stars (chris bosh). lance sr. would see that and push for stj. hewitt isn't one of the best coaches which is why they arne't knocking on gt's door, but i'm talking about the combination of hewitt and stj.
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the combination of hewitt and the home town team would be too much. hewitt has proven he can get guys drafted and develop stars (chris bosh). lance sr. would see that and push for stj. hewitt isn't one of the best coaches which is why they arne't knocking on gt's door, but i'm talking about the combination of hewitt and stj.
This is really a weak argument for your case.... We have what we have and just deal with it. Norm is making headway on a lot of recruits shouldn't we be happy about this?
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i have some sick feeling he will pick SJU.....with that being said, i hope he aint blowing smoke us our a$$es because I'm beginning to believe that with all the top NYC talent that has left, the odds will eventually turn in our favor.
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the combination of hewitt and the home town team would be too much. hewitt has proven he can get guys drafted and develop stars (chris bosh). lance sr. would see that and push for stj. hewitt isn't one of the best coaches which is why they arne't knocking on gt's door, but i'm talking about the combination of hewitt and stj.
This is really a weak argument for your case.... We have what we have and just deal with it. Norm is making headway on a lot of recruits shouldn't we be happy about this?
all i'm saying is if the rumor on BEB were true that hewitt would be here, i'd be confident in him coming here.
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the combination of hewitt and the home town team would be too much. hewitt has proven he can get guys drafted and develop stars (chris bosh). lance sr. would see that and push for stj. hewitt isn't one of the best coaches which is why they arne't knocking on gt's door, but i'm talking about the combination of hewitt and stj.
This is really a weak argument for your case.... We have what we have and just deal with it. Norm is making headway on a lot of recruits shouldn't we be happy about this?
Headway doesn't mean he is signing them... its about result on the recruiting trail and on the court. . Norm has not achieved either...
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norm has made headway with a lot of other big recruits. it's old news.
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the combination of hewitt and the home town team would be too much. hewitt has proven he can get guys drafted and develop stars (chris bosh). lance sr. would see that and push for stj. hewitt isn't one of the best coaches which is why they arne't knocking on gt's door, but i'm talking about the combination of hewitt and stj.
This is really a weak argument for your case.... We have what we have and just deal with it. Norm is making headway on a lot of recruits shouldn't we be happy about this?
all i'm saying is if the rumor on BEB were true that hewitt would be here, i'd be confident in him coming here.
Even a broke clock is right twice a day.... give it up
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i dont expect norm to get stephenson, even after his comment about bringing new york back...if norm gets stephenson, with how good this kid is, how poorly the team has been doing, and with the amazing programs also recruiting him, i think we should all take norm out for drinks...we have been involved with some very talented recruits, and came very close to getting them...the only reason i think these kids signed elsewhere is that we simply havent been winning...if we can throw down 18 wins this year and show noticeable improvement, maybe we have a real shot at this kid...this kid at st johns, unlike any other school that is recruiting him, has an opportunity to really lock down a high draft spot...even if hes on a crappy st johns team, if he throws up 20+ a game in the big east, he's gonna be a lottery pick...that has to be something hes thinking about
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18 wins??? :o :o what happened, we left the big east.
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That is some crazy talk there. Seriously, I think that if we got to 15-16 wins, some more prospects would think about being the missing piece. Others, of course, would think "man, that team STILL sucks." And does being the "missing piece" and the profile (in an age where few places are uncovered by national media if they're any good) compare to being thought of as a "winner", playing big and being in position to win against name programs?
Pro scouts also can see through empty numbers. And a good player would get frustrated with those 20 point beatings.
There's reward for Stephenson if he stays here, but still risk, let's not sugarcoat it. A lot of risk.
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there's not that much risk. the guy will be a first round pick no matter where he goes.
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While he can raise his stock by coming here he can also hurt it. What if he gets exposed by not having talent around him? This is a kid that has played on one of the most talented teams in NY for 3 years now. Of course the kid is gunna go in the first round either way, but Norm is becoming notorious for getting the "right direction" quotes from players and not the signatures!
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that's why i'm not exicited. he's gotten people to say he's a nice guy, and "stj is going the right direction" and sometimes visit but that's it.
if rob thomas (if he stays healthy), justin burrell, dj kennedy, evans, and horne all stay and don't transfer. and lance comes. i think that's enough talent. i think our team has ok role players for a BE team, but we don't have the primary scorer. lance would be the primary scorer, and he'd have a very decent justin burrell has the #2.
i think the one concern should be if norm can develop him.
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18 wins??? :o :o what happened, we left the big east.
no but it seems everyone on the forum who isnt just being negative is projecting 14-16 wins, so i said 18...i didnt say it'd be easy, and i dont expect more than 16, all i said is if we can get 18 he might come...idt he would settle for us if we didnt do anything but above average in the win column this year...i dont think 15 or 16 will cut it...but then again considering the other schools offering i dont think 30 wins would do it...and also, i dont think we will be getting beat by 20 with all our guys as juniors without stephenson
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the combination of hewitt and the home town team would be too much. hewitt has proven he can get guys drafted and develop stars (chris bosh). lance sr. would see that and push for stj. hewitt isn't one of the best coaches which is why they arne't knocking on gt's door, but i'm talking about the combination of hewitt and stj.
This is really a weak argument for your case.... We have what we have and just deal with it. Norm is making headway on a lot of recruits shouldn't we be happy about this?
Headway doesn't mean he is signing them... its about result on the recruiting trail and on the court. . Norm has not achieved either...
What exactly is passing as headway at STJ these days?
Is it giving a local recruit a tour of Taffner?
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the combination of hewitt and the home town team would be too much. hewitt has proven he can get guys drafted and develop stars (chris bosh). lance sr. would see that and push for stj. hewitt isn't one of the best coaches which is why they arne't knocking on gt's door, but i'm talking about the combination of hewitt and stj.
This is really a weak argument for your case.... We have what we have and just deal with it. Norm is making headway on a lot of recruits shouldn't we be happy about this?
Headway doesn't mean he is signing them... its about result on the recruiting trail and on the court. . Norm has not achieved either...
What exactly is passing as headway at STJ these days?
Is it giving a local recruit a tour of Taffner?
SJu sells Tafner as if anyone give a ****
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still in his top 4
http://blog.zagsblog.net/2008/06/21/stephenson-and-sidney-a-package.aspx
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Were still in it.....
http://www.zagsblog.net/
Heading to the U18 Trials
Posted on Jul 2, 2008 7:04 am
I’m on the train bright and early today headed to the U.S. U18 trials in Washington, D.C. If anyone has any questions about the goings on, feel free to register on the site and send in comments. I’ll be there Wednesday and Thursday.
Here is the official roster, which includes several of the top prep and incoming college players from the New York-New Jersey area: Lance Stephenson, Dominic Cheek, Kemba Walker and Sylven Landesberg.
UCLA recruits Reeves Nelson and Malcolm Lee will be on hand, as well as North Carolina commits David and Travis Wear; Memphis commit Wesley Witherspoon; and Villanova commit Maalik Wayns.
Speaking of Lance, his father said at the Steve Nash camp that North Carolina was Lance’s dream school but that the coaches never really pursued his son hard.
“North Carolina really didn’t come hard at Lance like that,†he said. “They haven’t been to a Lincoln game. They haven’t been visible in the recruitment of Lance. I guess it’s just low interest.â€
He maintained that Kansas, USC and UCLA were the leaders, but also mentions St. John’s, Memphis and Louisville.
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were in, were out, were in, were out?
http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/07/03/usa-u18-cuts-to-14-players/#more-305
USA U18 Cuts to 14 Players; Lance & Dom’s Lists
Posted on Jul 3, 2008 9:50 am
The USA U18 team cut three players Wednesday night, and they weren’t much of a surprise. Uncommitted forward Ari Stewart of Marietta, Ga.; Georgetown commit Hollis Thompson, a 6-6 forward out of Los Angeles Loyola; and Tennessee commit Kenny Hall, a 6-8 big man out of Stone Mountain Ga. Redan, were let go, paring the roster to 14. Reeves Nelson, a 6-7 UCLA commit from Modesto (Ca.) High, is injured and out of the mix as well. Head coach Bob McKillop said they will keep that number until July 7, when two more players will be cut.
New York area players Lance Stephenson, Kemba Walker and Dominic Cheek all seem locks to make the team, barring some unforseen circumstances.
Lance is telling reporters here that his top three schools are Kansas, Memphis and Tennessee, which is different from the list his father recently gave out of Kansas, USC, UCLA and maybe St. John’s. Read more…
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From today on Rivals....
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=823814
WASHINGTON, D.C.- It took Lance Stephenson a little while to get untracked at the USA Basketball U18 National Team Trials, but by the third session Stephenson found his stride.
Stephenson is excited about representing the USA.
Implementing more of a streamlined physical approach to the game, Stephenson was simply the dominant force on the court Wednesday night. He bullied defenders with slashing drives to the basket and crashed the boards for rebounds. With less dribbles he made more positive things happen for his scrimmage squad, and in the process found the touch on his jumper.
Stephenson was the first to admit that he had to go through an adjustment period.
"I'm trying to get used to not getting the ball like I'm used to getting it," said Stephenson. "Now when I get the ball I'm trying to finish the play quicker."
He also rejected recent talk that he might take some other route than attending college after next year.
"I'm more focused on school and getting an education. I'm more about learning new stuff and then go to the NBA. Skipping college and going to Europe is something you think about as a last resort when your messing up in school, but I'm doing well in school."
St. John's, Texas, North Carolina and Duke are still in the running to land Stephenson, but three other schools standout at the top of his list.
"Kansas, Memphis and Tennessee, those are the three schools I'm looking at really hard," said Stephenson, who is planning to wait until the spring before committing to a college.
With the trials, practices and then the World Games in Argentina conflicting with the shoe company camps, many prospects declined invitations to play for USA Basketball. Stephenson, however, is hungry for a new experience and excited about playing for his country.
"I'm more about helping the United States," he said. "I'm not about sneakers or the latest Lebron camp jersey. I've already done the Lebron camp and the other camps, so this is a new experience for me."
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What can we all conclude? Nobody really knows what the hell will happen.
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This kid is a nut job. If Memphis and WWW are involved, hes as good as theirs.
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If he is plans on waiting until the Spring... Storm'n Norman and staff are going to play a very danergeous game ....
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If he is plans on waiting until the Spring... Storm'n Norman and staff are going to play a very danergeous game ....
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In the articles on Lance above. . it's indicated that he is going to wait until the Spring to sign...
"Kansas, Memphis and Tennessee, those are the three schools I'm looking at really hard," said Stephenson, who is planning to wait until the spring before committing to a college.
If Norm plans on waiting for Lance to sign and waits on signing any other player until Lance makes a decision. . that is a very dangerous game... does that clear it up for you..? and here I thought SFP was a good school...
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In the articles on Lance above. . it's indicated that he is going to wait until the Spring to sign...
"Kansas, Memphis and Tennessee, those are the three schools I'm looking at really hard," said Stephenson, who is planning to wait until the spring before committing to a college.
If Norm plans on waiting for Lance to sign and waits on signing any other player until Lance makes a decision. . that is a very dangerous game... does that clear it up for you..? and here I thought SFP was a good school...
Whats so dangerous about it? Either he gets the kid or he doesnt, not the end of the world. SFP is great school, its just that I get dumber reading some posts on these boards
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I figure Lance will wait until the spring as well - get the best deal including the best coach (or at least knowing if his coach is going to be there. For all we know, Cal will try his hand at the pros again). PMG is right, waiting until the spring would be a dangerous game for St. John's. This isn't the kind of staff or situation that compels a solid 4-star wing to come when he decommits (or late commits) in April and May.
So if we were in the mix with Lance, and didn't get him in April, we'd be S.O.L. and looking at mediocre JC players and undersized scoring point guards and notable late spring blow-up players.
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Tuesday, July 1, 2008
Update on . . . Lance Stephenson- A Father's Perspective
http://northstarbasketball.blogspot.com/2008/07/update-on-lance-stephenson-fathers.html
Lance Stephenson has been the talk of America in the high school basketball world for quite some time. The class of 2009 6'6 superstar swingman at Lincoln (NY) has been talked about in New York City for much longer though. Yet even before the NYC circle began to discuss Stephenson, his father saw something in him. Lance Stephenson, Sr. has seen his son progress from a youngster all the way to one of the best players in America. I spoke with Mr. Stephenson at the Steve Nash Skills Academy, where he was taking in the action.
NB: What schools [are] Lance really considering?
LS: UCLA, Kansas, USC, and St. John’s . . . [and] Memphis.
NB: What do you think Lance needs to work on the most?
LS: A little bit of everything. He has an all-around game, . . . so he’s got to keep brushing up on everything, all his tools. . . . It’s not that one thing that I can say he needs to work on, just everything, just keep getting better.
NB: What do you see as the strongest point in his game?
LS: His strength, his agility, he’s real quick, he [has] got good lateral movement, he’s explosive, he’s got the complete package right now.
NB: What do you think helped him get to where he is right now? Other than just having the natural ability.
LS: Just working out, [a] lot of push-ups. . . . It’s a little bit of a mix of everything, natural ability, a lot of hard work, push-ups, pull-ups, dips, . . . a whole lot of advice, information, so he [has] known how to make the right plays from an early age.
NB: When Lance was young, did you see him having the potential to be such a talented player?
LS: Yes, yeah, from day one, I knew that he was going to be a real talented player, just like my other son.
NB: Other than you two, who’s going to be involved in the decision process for college?
LS: My wife, that’s about it. . . . His high school coach [Dwayne “Tiny†Morton of Lincoln (NY)] has a little bit on influence as well.
NB: Is Lance going to eventually make the final decision, or is it just going to be a group choice?
LS: I would say he [is] going to make the final decision. We [are] just going to give him all the information and let him decide what he wants to do.
NB: Is there a school . . . that you favor, that you think Lance should go to right now?
LS: Right now my favorite school is UCLA.
NB: What makes the Bruins standout to you?
LS: Well, the tradition, the conference, the style of play, they let the guards play pretty free.
NB: If not for the NBA age limit, would Lance be going pro next year?
LS: I think if you asked me that question . . . when that times [I would have a better idea], but an educated guess, I would say ‘yeah,’ he’s definitely got all the skills, and after looking at [Thursday’s NBA] Draft, all of those kids, all of the freshman that went, he’s playing against or with before, so we pretty much know some of the good players.
NB: You mentioned all the freshmen. Do you think Lance is a lock to be a one-and-done [player in college]?
LS: No, nothing is a lock, . . . he got to play the games. I wouldn’t say he’s a lock, he still has a lot of work to do.
NB: With all the attention that he’s been receiving since eighth grade, do you ever see it getting to him, kind of . . . bringing him down a little bit, having all that focus on him?
LS: No, nothing [is] bringing him down, he’s still rising. Heading into his senior year he has a lot . . . of accomplishments that he’s already done, wining three [New York] City [championships], two state [championships]. He’s still rising, next year I think will be the icing on the cake.
NB: What are you most proud of Lance for?
LS: Just staying with it, and really not folding, he’s kept the same . . . demeanor all the way through . . . high school. He’s kept the same demeanor, he hasn’t let the media change his game, he still has his attitude, he still has his . . . aggressiveness, and that’s really what I’m most proud of him [for]. He designed his game, and he’s sticking with it.
NB: What [are you most proud of him for] . . . outside of basketball?
LS: What am I most proud of him . . . [for] outside of basketball? I’m proud that he’s my son. I’m proud that he’s healthy. I’m proud that he’s [a] pretty good student in school.
NB: What are Lance’s plans for July during the evaluation period?
LS: He’ll be trying out for the USA . . . 18 and Under team.
The younger Lance Stephenson was by far the most impressive player at the Steve Nash Skills Academy. His play in the five-on-five scrimmage to end the event was fantastic. Lance's father certainly knows of the talent and potential that his son possesses. He definitely is proud of Lance's game, and he should be, as Lance is one of the best player in the United States. I'll make sure that I keep you updated on how things are moving along for the younger Lance Stephenson.
Scouting Report on Stephenson:
Lance Stephenson may well be the best player in America. He has a fantastic all-around game. The Lincoln (NY) stud is even talented enough that his teammates deferred to him at the Steve Nash Skills Academy to run the point in the scrimmage, despite being the only non-point guard on his team. Stephenson '09, a 6'6 swingman, can shoot the rock, with range that extends out to the three-point line. Lance can also get to the hole and has a solid handle. He is a spectacular athlete with great hops, and well-chiseled frame. The NYC phenom seems to have a good work ethic, as he chose to shoot around during the water break in the scrimmage at the Nash Academy. At times, Stephenson can be a bit too flashy. As well, his attitude is something that he needs to work on. He gets frustrated with lesser teammates when they make mistakes and is a bit cocky. Yet, that may well be from being "the man" in the Big Apple for so long. A change of scenery for college may be quite helpful for the gifted ballplayer. Attitude aside, Lance might have the most complete game of anyone in America, including graduating seniors from the class of 2008. Lance Stephenson is the real deal.
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In the articles on Lance above. . it's indicated that he is going to wait until the Spring to sign...
"Kansas, Memphis and Tennessee, those are the three schools I'm looking at really hard," said Stephenson, who is planning to wait until the spring before committing to a college.
If Norm plans on waiting for Lance to sign and waits on signing any other player until Lance makes a decision. . that is a very dangerous game... does that clear it up for you..? and here I thought SFP was a good school...
Whats so dangerous about it? Either he gets the kid or he doesnt, not the end of the world. SFP is great school, its just that I get dumber reading some posts on these boards
You just don't get it...
We aren't Kansas or Noth Carolina who are just reloading every year... and can wait to see if a kid wants to sign...
If Norm waits on Lance Stephenson and then he goes elsewhere.. Norm and staff will once again be looking to find a diamond in the rough late in the recruiting season... (I think I just experienced deja vu)
Although by the time next Spring rolls around .. St. John's will undoubtly have one or two extra scholarships to hand out due to transfers...
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In the articles on Lance above. . it's indicated that he is going to wait until the Spring to sign...
"Kansas, Memphis and Tennessee, those are the three schools I'm looking at really hard," said Stephenson, who is planning to wait until the spring before committing to a college.
If Norm plans on waiting for Lance to sign and waits on signing any other player until Lance makes a decision. . that is a very dangerous game... does that clear it up for you..? and here I thought SFP was a good school...
Whats so dangerous about it? Either he gets the kid or he doesnt, not the end of the world. SFP is great school, its just that I get dumber reading some posts on these boards
You just don't get it...
We aren't Kansas or Noth Carolina who are just reloading every year... and can wait to see if a kid wants to sign...
If Norm waits on Lance Stephenson and then he goes elsewhere.. Norm and staff will once again be looking to find a diamond in the rough late in the recruiting season... (I think I just experienced deja vu)
Although by the time next Spring rolls around .. St. John's will undoubtly have one or two extra scholarships to hand out due to transfers...
Oh I see. Youre right, its very dangerous!
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You can join the Lance Stephenson Come to St. John's Facebook group
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=54478475225&ref=mf.
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http://www.zagsblog.net/
Lance, Witherspoon Cut from U18 Team
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In the articles on Lance above. . it's indicated that he is going to wait until the Spring to sign...
"Kansas, Memphis and Tennessee, those are the three schools I'm looking at really hard," said Stephenson, who is planning to wait until the spring before committing to a college.
If Norm plans on waiting for Lance to sign and waits on signing any other player until Lance makes a decision. . that is a very dangerous game... does that clear it up for you..? and here I thought SFP was a good school...
Whats so dangerous about it? Either he gets the kid or he doesnt, not the end of the world. SFP is great school, its just that I get dumber reading some posts on these boards
You just don't get it...
We aren't Kansas or Noth Carolina who are just reloading every year... and can wait to see if a kid wants to sign...
If Norm waits on Lance Stephenson and then he goes elsewhere.. Norm and staff will once again be looking to find a diamond in the rough late in the recruiting season... (I think I just experienced deja vu)
Although by the time next Spring rolls around .. St. John's will undoubtly have one or two extra scholarships to hand out due to transfers...
How do you know it will take that long? We could have two more open ships in a month for all we know.
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http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1325111506&channel=1215674518&lineup=1227642805
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If he is plans on waiting until the Spring... Storm'n Norman and staff are going to play a very danergeous game ....
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grave danger?
is there any other kind?
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i guess mckillop could have used stevenson. this is from about.com:
The United States' under-18 squad lost to host country Argentina in the gold medal game of the FIBA Americas U18 Tournament, 77-64.
Spurred by a supportive home crowd, team Argentina rolled to an early 20-11 lead. Team USA went on several runs to stay in the game, but was never able to recover.
Kemba Walker, who will play for Connecticut this fall, had a game-high 21 points and was named tournament MVP. Malcolm Lee, Travis Releford and JaMychal Green also scored in double figures, and Green contributed a game-high 14 boards.
The loss was only Team USA's second in the history of the U18 Tournament. Their record now stands at 33-2 overall through six tournaments, with four golds medals, one silver and one bronze.
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apparently McKillop, and assistant coaches Anthony Grant (VCU) and John Thompson have no idea what they're doing. ;)
Same goes for the program leader Jim Boeheim. :P
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SFP is a great school, its just that I get dumber reading some posts on these boards.
Good one marco.. ;D .. some of the "logic" used on these boards is downright hysterical.
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From Jeff Goodman and Adam Zagoria:
(Goodman: http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/goodmanonfox/2008/07/23/STILL_NO_NUMERO_UNO; Zagoria: http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/07/23/kansas-st-johns-watching-lance-vegas-notes/)
Honestly, and I’ve been a noted Lance Stephenson critic, the New York native – when he plays under control and has the right mindset – could certainly lay as much claim as anyone else as the top player in the class.
How about the fact that Kansas’ Bill Self was the only high-major coach in the gym watching Stephenson.
That’s right. Self and his good buddy, Norm Roberts of St. John’s, are basically the only ones actively recruiting Stephenson.
I’m not quite sure what that says. On second thought, I think I am sure.
Is he saying: 1. there is a done deal or 2. lance won't qualify or 3. those are the only coaches willing to put up with lance? because that makes little sense.
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Is he saying: 1. there is a done deal or 2. lance won't qualify or 3. those are the only coaches willing to put up with lance? because that makes little sense.
I'm hoping for 1 or 3. Even if this kid only stays for one year and has a poor attitude atleast it will finally have the city buzzing about St. John's again.
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beasley was supposed to be a punk kid and he came into kstate and i could be wrong but i dont think he did one thing wrong all year...the one thing norm has proven is that he is a good guy and a strict coach...he can handle lance...and even if he doesnt, if hes as good as advertised ill put up with whatever bs the kid decides to pull, scandals aside
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beasley was supposed to be a punk kid and he came into kstate and i could be wrong but i dont think he did one thing wrong all year...the one thing norm has proven is that he is a good guy and a strict coach...he can handle lance...and even if he doesnt, if hes as good as advertised ill put up with whatever bs the kid decides to pull, scandals aside
I met Beasley when he was in highschool when I worked for ESPN and he wasn't so much of a punk but more of an idiot. It was a struggle to interview him because he couldn't speak in sentences. He might be a punk to a teacher but I don't think he was a punk in a sense like pac man jones.
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Its sad to say but at this point in time we are not good enough to pass on a kid because he may or may not have behavioral issues. Norm stay on this kid and worry about controlling him once he signs on the dotted line.
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I don't think Lance has behavioral issues but more ego issues. I think this is what throws up the red flags to most coaches. Any combo of Lance, Omari, and Scott would be pretty awesome.
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he did get suspended for punching a kid i think.
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lance's big prob is his temper.
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you gotta figure every 17 or 18 year old is somewhat undisciplined and immature...and that shouldnt be a big deal...kids are kids...they occasionally get into fights, get in trouble at school, do bad on tests...its normal...as long as a kid doesnt mess up too badly or go outside the norm for teenage behavior, you shouldnt brand a kid as a bad seed...the media shouldnt blow every little thing an athlete does way out of proportion...off topic, so i hope i dont get yelled at here, but same thing with some of the miley cyrus pics that people are going off on...i have friends with sisters and i dated in hs...a 15 year old girl taking pics with her friends making a kissey face is what every girl that age does...yea shes a celeb and it starts the whole argument that athletes and celebs should be held to a higher standard bc people look up to them, etc, but i feel like they're just kids, leave them alone...and back on topic, a kid like lance or beasely, when they get to college and realizes college coaches and more importantly (to them maybe) nba teams wont put up with it, their attitudes change pretty quick
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watch lance during a game. he's constantly yelling and looking frustrated. he's got serious temper issues.
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these guys didn't seem to like Lance very much
http://nbadraft.net/node/1586
Lance Stephenson
There was much buzz surrounding Lance "Born Ready" Stephenson's talent and skill set. Unfortunately, what we saw today was...mildly put...disappointing. Seeing him for the first time, he immediately looks very awkward and his body is not that of a basketball player. He is somewhat bowlegged and tends to move around on his toes too much, making him look as if he is strutting rather than running.
He has a very well-defined body and some nice length, but his quickness and explosiveness are marginal. Both he and his team were badly outplayed by a squad that put on an offensive clinic, running backdoors and getting shooters open coming of numerous screens.
Stephenson forced the issue early on, putting up shots and trying to attack the basket even when numerous defenders ran at him. His handles are decent, but when it takes 8-10 dribbles to get anywhere, it defeats the purpose of putting the ball on the deck in the first place. His shooting stroke is nice, but he rushes it almost every time and he likes to fade on shots that don't require it.
He got into foul trouble in the second half, and that is when his team actually made a push and got the game close. Once he returned, he killed all the rhythm his team had going. Surprisingly, his motor and intensity level was highly suspect, not running back on defense, and even taking possessions of on offense as his teammates were fighting to score. One has to wonder if he has bought into all the hype and stopped working hard at his game.
There was no official boxscore available for the game, but Stephenson did not score more than six points. His team lost, meaning they're out of the tournament. Based on what we saw today, Stephenson struggled to look like a high-major college player, much less a player worthy of getting drafted.
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OUCH!.. :o ... man this kid is getting "killed" out there by the critics.
http://www.thememphisedge.com/2008/07/25/more-from-vegas/
More from Vegas
Posted by Dan Wolken
Sorry it’s late (almost 2 a.m. Memphis time!) but I just got in from watching games, then a late dinner.
Observations:
- I went to watch Lance Stephenson. First time I’ve seen him. I was so personally offended by his play, I had to leave at halftime. I just couldn’t take it anymore. It was like when you walk into a bad movie and 30 minutes into it, you know this thing is going nowhere. Folks, he’s a complete circus. A walking debacle. The pouting, the bad body language, the lazy play, the throwing elbows when he gets frustrated. And he’s not even really that good. Certainly not worth the trouble. I have it on very good authority that Memphis is NOT recruiting him. By the way, when I left his team was down 15 to some suburban Chicago kids
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OUCH!.. :o ... man this kid is getting "killed" out there by the critics.
http://www.thememphisedge.com/2008/07/25/more-from-vegas/
More from Vegas
Posted by Dan Wolken
Sorry it’s late (almost 2 a.m. Memphis time!) but I just got in from watching games, then a late dinner.
Observations:
- I went to watch Lance Stephenson. First time I’ve seen him. I was so personally offended by his play, I had to leave at halftime. I just couldn’t take it anymore. It was like when you walk into a bad movie and 30 minutes into it, you know this thing is going nowhere. Folks, he’s a complete circus. A walking debacle. The pouting, the bad body language, the lazy play, the throwing elbows when he gets frustrated. And he’s not even really that good. Certainly not worth the trouble. I have it on very good authority that Memphis is NOT recruiting him. By the way, when I left his team was down 15 to some suburban Chicago kids
I think him getting killed by the media might actually be a good thing for us. The kid is going to have to prove himself for atleast one year in college and what better place to prove himself then in NYC at St. Johns ...
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Do we really assume he stays for one year? Maybe he needs more time to mature.
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Do we really assume he stays for one year? Maybe he needs more time to mature.
LOL
To an extent, the NBA will be willing to overlook his immaturity.
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Do we really assume he stays for one year? Maybe he needs more time to mature.
LOL
To an extent, the NBA will be willing to overlook his immaturity.
Based on other peoples observations maybe Lance is not "Born Ready" for the NBA. Is he another over hyped NYC basketball player?
The below comments really trouble me:
He got into foul trouble in the second half, and that is when his team actually made a push and got the game close. Once he returned, he killed all the rhythm his team had going. Surprisingly, his motor and intensity level was highly suspect, not running back on defense, and even taking possessions of on offense as his teammates were fighting to score. One has to wonder if he has bought into all the hype and stopped working hard at his game.
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http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=838419
Stephenson speculation
Where do you think Lance Stephenson is going to school? Does Tennessee have a shot?
-- Jon from Knoxville
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Tennessee did get a mention by Stephenson when I interviewed him at the beginning of July at the USA U18 National Team Trials. At that point he named Kansas, Memphis and Tennessee as the three schools he was looking at the hardest. He also mentioned St. John's, Texas, North Carolina and Duke as schools of interest.
A couple of days ago there was some buzz going around that Stephenson might have committed to Memphis. When I spoke with Stephenson about the speculation concerning Memphis, he denied having committed. He told me Kansas, Memphis, USC and Texas were the schools he was looking at the hardest.
In between these two interviews I've seen a variety of schools mentioned by Stephenson. Speculation about him going to St. John's has been strong. So the point is, there is a whole lot of guess work going on in trying to get a handle on Stephenson's recruitment. Two schools, however, that seem to be mainstays on his revolving school list are Kansas and Memphis.
Tennessee probably does have a shot, but I'd term it a long shot. And with Stephenson, I expect a lot of rumors to circulate - including him following Brandon Jennings to Europe - before he makes an official decision.
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Writer forgot the mention the Army as one of his possibilities. ;)
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Think Omari helps us get Lance?
http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/08/21/boost-mobile-lance-planning-visits/#more-2435
Asked if he was still considering St. John’s, Stephenson said, “Yeah, yeah.â€
St. John’s just got a commitment from Omari Lawrence of South Kent (Conn.), but Stephenson said that wouldn’t necessarily impact his decision.
“Omari Lawrence is a good player. He’s from New York and he comes from a good school,†he said.
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BALDI.....OPEN THE FLOODGATES!!!
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BALDI.....OPEN THE FLOODGATES!!!
Its happenning and the anti-Norm contingent are running for cover. Lets give this guy some credit. Hes on fire, even if it has to do with the new hirings
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posted on redmen.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/columns/story?columnist=lawlor_christopher&id=3544469
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posted on redmen.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/columns/story?columnist=lawlor_christopher&id=3544469
Before he closes out his illustrious prep career, Stephenson will choose a college. He won't tip his hand but hinted programs such as Memphis, Kansas, Texas, St. John's and Southern California are in the mix.
Two decades ago, St. John's might have been a no-brainer for a Brooklyn kid (see Chris Mullin or Mark Jackson). Despite the Red Storm's recent struggles, Stephenson is intrigued.
"I'm looking at them hard," Stephenson said. "It would be great to bring back New York and rebuild one of the great programs. It's close to home; my family could see me play, but I'm interested also in seeing new places and going away."
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http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/08/21/boost-mobile-lance-planning-visits/#more-2435
Asked if he was still considering St. John’s, Stephenson said, “Yeah, yeah.â€
St. John’s just got a commitment from Omari Lawrence of South Kent (Conn.), but Stephenson said that wouldn’t necessarily impact his decision.
“Omari Lawrence is a good player. He’s from New York and he comes from a good school,†he said.
Whatever happens, he won’t decide until after the season.
“Right now, I’m just worrying about basketball and at the end I’ll do all that college stuff,†he said. “I’m going to do my high school season and after that I look forward to telling everybody what school I should go to.â€
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another article on lance.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=2&c=781952&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fscouthoops.scout.com%2fa.z%3fs%3d75%26p%3d2%26c%3d781952
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According to rivals Lance has had an "epiphany"... he now wants to become a point guard.. :o .. here's the jist of the aricle :
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http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=840923
When asked what his plans are for the Elite 24 game on Friday at Rucker Park in Manhattan, NY, Stephenson said, "I want to break Brandon Jennings' assist record."
This looks to be part of a serious shift in Stephenson's game approach. Apparently, Stephenson has had an epiphany saying, "I'm trying to see if I could be a real point guard. Try to make assists. Try to be a playmaker."
Asked if point guard is a position that he wants to play going forward to get to the next level, Stephenson responded, "Yeah, that's what I'm working on now. I don't think I'm going to get any taller so I think I'm a good point guard height."
The jury is out as to whether Stephenson can flip the script and become the ultimate playmaker, using his exceptional scoring ability as a back-up weapon similar to the NBA's Steve Nash.
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I think I read something on Lance on Rivals perhaps it said the same thing about being a PG. It said he is a very good passer when he wants to be. I'm not sure where it was I read it I'm sure it will surface up on here though.
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I think I read something on Lance on Rivals perhaps it said the same thing about being a PG. It said he is a very good passer when he wants to be. I'm not sure where it was I read it I'm sure it will surface up on here though.
I left this line out of the synopsis :
"To Stephenson's credit, in addition to being a phenomenal scoring machine, he is also an exceptional passer when he wants to be."
- Maurice Wingate, NYC hoops editor
p.s. - keep in mind this is from the same guy who "reported" that Parrom was commiting to SJU yesterday morning.. ??? .. peace!
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Stephenson A Johnnie?
August 22, 2008
by Maurice Wingate, RedStormReport.com Editor
http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=841154
On Thursday, when asked about the possibilities of committing St. John's, Stephenson said, "St. John's is looking real good right now. I'm trying to bring New York back so I think that (St. John's) would be a good decision."
Asked if he think he would work well with the recent St. John's commit Omari Lawrence, Stephenson said, "Yeah, I think me and him could bring New York back."
Stephenson, shifting to point guard status might actually bode well with the possibilities of him becoming a member of the Red Storm and playing along side of Lawrence, who is a shooting guard. With Stephenson at point guard, the competition for minutes becomes a moot issue.
Stephenson also confirmed that even he and Durand Scott, another high level New York player, have already discussed the 'what if' possibilities of them both playing together on the Johnnies and the impact it would have on the team and the city.
Asked about his opinion of St. John's, as a team, right now and in the near future, the rising junior from the NYS federation defending champion Abraham Lincoln HS said, "They've already got a couple of good players and a good big man and I think with a new point guard coming in, we can work with it."
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this guy is pure drama!
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this guy is pure drama!
In mo ways than one, yo.
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this guy is pure drama!
He is, but I'd love for him to join us.
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Yea well Omari, Durand, and Lance have been hanging out the past few nights at Elite 24. Omari told me that they would be talking..... I guess they have been.
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lance can play pg. i've said that already. i think some reason he isn't is because of the height of buddha ellis, and the depth they had last year w/ staten and flowers. they didn't need lance at pg, this year i can see them experimenting with that idea.
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lance can play pg. i've said that already. i think some reason he isn't is because of the height of buddha ellis, and the depth they had last year w/ staten and flowers. they didn't need lance at pg, this year i can see them experimenting with that idea.
If yo definition of PG is a playa who can take the ball up the court, dribble fo a while and then either try to drive fo a layup or jack up a 20 foot J witout lookin at another playa... then yeah, Lance is a point.
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Yea well Omari, Durand, and Lance have been hanging out the past few nights at Elite 24. Omari told me that they would be talking..... I guess they have been.
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p.s. - If omari pulls that off he will be a "legend" before he even puts on the Red & White.. ;) ;D .. fact is NYC is right there for the TAKIN' fellas... listen to to your boy!!
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Oh, hell, man. I hope he comes and Boothe gets on a stepladder and knocks him out for talking about his spot like that.
Dude talks just to make sure he can still hear his own dulcet tones.
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lance can play pg. i've said that already. i think some reason he isn't is because of the height of buddha ellis, and the depth they had last year w/ staten and flowers. they didn't need lance at pg, this year i can see them experimenting with that idea.
If yo definition of PG is a playa who can take the ball up the court, dribble fo a while and then either try to drive fo a layup or jack up a 20 foot J witout lookin at another playa... then yeah, Lance is a point.
Those are two of Stretch's favorite plays on his new AAU team. ;D
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lance can play pg. i've said that already. i think some reason he isn't is because of the height of buddha ellis, and the depth they had last year w/ staten and flowers. they didn't need lance at pg, this year i can see them experimenting with that idea.
If yo definition of PG is a playa who can take the ball up the court, dribble fo a while and then either try to drive fo a layup or jack up a 20 foot J witout lookin at another playa... then yeah, Lance is a point.
as a PG i'm assuming he'd look at other guys. he's also got the bball iq already. if he can control his emotions and look for his team mates more often/not force up as many shots, he can be an effective pg. he's got the tools. in 2007 he averaged 6 assists...
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this guy is pure drama!
In mo ways than one, yo.
Choz i respect your opinion to the HIGHEST degree... but if this kid wants to come here we HAVE take him. Plus, if any coach can keep this kid under control it's Norm imo. He is a "city guy" from springfield gardens, his players respect him & he 'aint gonna take no sh*t... just ask Torres, Patterson & Wright. They didn't want to get with the program - study hard, play hard, be unselfish & wear the jersey with pride/respect - and he basically told them to hit the road... plus, judging by some of Lances recent quotes it sounds like he's finally starting to "get it"... and hopefully he's starting to realize that with kids like Lawrence, Scott, Parrom, Burrell, Coker, Kennedy, Evans, T, Roberts, Wait, Boothe, etc... by his side we can take this city & the college b-ball world by STORM next year.. :o ;D .. and as a result he could be the "KING of NYC".. 8).. ala Mullin, Berry, Frazier, King, etc.... this city is STARVING for a good, hard-nosed, in your face, winning basketball team... we're talking girls, commercials, billboards, magazine spreads, ESPN/SNY/YES/CBS/ABC segements on the re-birth of SJU hoops & celebs sitting courtside at MSG for us NOT the knicks... IMHO, this kid has the oppurtunity of a lifetime staring him right in the face & i for one hope he makes up his OWN mind and goes for the "gold" baby!!.. ;) .. If not. I wish him nothin' the best.
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Two things about the subject.
One, maybe McKillop actually made an impression on the kid. Stranger things have happened.
Two, what say ye to those who claim he has no chance to qualify. He's not going prep, he'll follow Brandon Jennings to Europe no doubt. Or enlist . . .
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if he doesn't qualify he will defintely go to europe imo. i do think he will qualify. just a feeling.
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Two things about the subject.
One, maybe McKillop actually made an impression on the kid. Stranger things have happened.
Two, what say ye to those who claim he has no chance to qualify. He's not going prep, he'll follow Brandon Jennings to Europe no doubt. Or enlist . . .
Laura Bush will join Mensa before Lance enlists in the Army.
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this guy is pure drama!
In mo ways than one, yo.
It's probably why almost all of the big schools, even the ones that usually target the lowest common denominator kids, are staying far away from a top 5/10 talent, but it's also a unique opportunity for Norm to use the rep that he earned at Kansas and swoop in to get the player.
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http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=841298
The co-MVP game title would go to Cheek of New Jersey and John Wall while Philadelphia's Maalik Wayns and Brooklyn, NY's Lance Stephenson were co-MVP for the Goat team. Stephenson, who said he wanted to break Brandon Jennings 23 assists record, was the games high scorer with 29 points, four rebounds, but only three assists.
So Lance the PG hmmm?
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http://w3.nbebasketball.com/index.php/boost-mobile-elite-24-player-evals-notes/#more-2484
Lance Stephenson (The Goat)
Lance started early with a pull up three-pointer. The King of New York then began shaking defenders with his array of dribbling moves. No one could contain him as he got to the rim with ease all game long. Lance’s length makes him near impossible to stop around the rim, especially in a contest like this where defense tends to be lacking. He loves using a crossover, but is also very effective with spin move. On one play, Lance even threw a no look pass over the shoulder right in the middle of one of those spin moves. He had several fine passes to his teammates too. Lance was clearly determined to hold his own in his home town. If he played with this much passion and energy every time out, he might find himself atop all of the national rankings. It’s certainly to ignore his talent and Lance is a joy to watch when he really brings it. He finished the night with 29 points.
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http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=841298
The co-MVP game title would go to Cheek of New Jersey and John Wall while Philadelphia's Maalik Wayns and Brooklyn, NY's Lance Stephenson were co-MVP for the Goat team. Stephenson, who said he wanted to break Brandon Jennings 23 assists record, was the games high scorer with 29 points, four rebounds, but only three assists.
So Lance the PG hmmm?
If he comes here, his position is whatever he wants it to be.
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SJU is an ideal situation for Lance. He would create tremendous excitement for the program and he would get incredible media attention. We would win more games and can afford to sacrifice team chemistry for one year. In return, future recruiting would take off. His family could attend every game of his brief college career. Win-win for everyone involved.
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http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=841298
The co-MVP game title would go to Cheek of New Jersey and John Wall while Philadelphia's Maalik Wayns and Brooklyn, NY's Lance Stephenson were co-MVP for the Goat team. Stephenson, who said he wanted to break Brandon Jennings 23 assists record, was the games high scorer with 29 points, four rebounds, but only three assists.
So Lance the PG hmmm?
So I just watched the replay and to Lance's defense he made some nice passes and his teammates missed a lot of open shots. I counted either 6-7 shots that guys could have made. 3-4 of them were layups too...
What I liked from Lance was that he could get to the basket at will. Also he had a great natural sense of being around the basket, he picks up a lot of garbage points.
What I didn't get a feel from Lance was that he has a great basketball IQ. I think physically he is wow but I think he would be so much of a better player if he went to say St. Anthony's as opposed to Lincoln. It looks like Lance was always worried about public perception rather than the game at hand. Take what I say with a grain of salt.... I was watching an allstar game so my opinion is subject to change.
I'd take him here in a heartbeat though other than John Wall I thought he was the best player out there.
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From "Hoops" Weiss :
August 25, 2008
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/weiss/2008/08/nova-lands-coveted-recruit.html
Speaking of recruiting, the buzz at Rucker is that St. John’s is closer than a lot of people think in the Lance Stephenson sweepstakes. We’re probably prejudiced, but we think the 6-6 Stephenson, who already has led Lincoln to three PSAL titles, has as many skills as any prospect in the country.
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From "Hoops" Weiss :
August 25, 2008
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/weiss/2008/08/nova-lands-coveted-recruit.html
Speaking of recruiting, the buzz at Rucker is that St. John’s is closer than a lot of people think in the Lance Stephenson sweepstakes. We’re probably prejudiced, but we think the 6-6 Stephenson, who already has led Lincoln to three PSAL titles, has as many skills as any prospect in the country.
im startin' to believe fellas.......
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From "Hoops" Weiss :
August 25, 2008
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/weiss/2008/08/nova-lands-coveted-recruit.html
Speaking of recruiting, the buzz at Rucker is that St. John’s is closer than a lot of people think in the Lance Stephenson sweepstakes. We’re probably prejudiced, but we think the 6-6 Stephenson, who already has led Lincoln to three PSAL titles, has as many skills as any prospect in the country.
im startin' to believe fellas.......
i'm not sure WHAT to believe at this point NYC.. ??? .. like i said, if he wants to come here we HAVE to take him. The question is can we really wait for him if either Parrom or Williams wants to commit tomorrow... We could wait IF we had another 'ship but i really don't see where that's coming from at this point... plus, are his academics a concern as some suggest.... IMHO, norm has to call each of these three kids tomorrow & tell them FIRST come first serve... and let the "rest" work itself out. No way u can wait for Lance & risk losing BOTH parrom & williams... NO f'n way imo.... Can't wait to see how this all goes down.... should be VERY interesting.. ;) .. peace!
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I expect to see Stephenson waiting til spring...so take whoever commits first...hopefully Parrom...and then most likely something will open up in the Spring.
Lance would be phenomenal...it would definitely create a buzz we haven't had since Felipe. One and done would open up a ship for the 2010 class as well.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3549763&categoryId=2997469&n8pe6c=2
here's some highlights.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/basketball/boys/news/story?columnist=lawlor_christopher&id=3552714
Lance Stephenson, who was playing in his second Elite 24 event for The Goat, was questionable before the game with a strained muscle near his hip but dispelled any doubts in the opening minute when he drained a long 3-pointer, pleasing the hometown crowd. Later in the first half, he took a rebound coast-to-coast for a one-handed dunk for a 40-38 lead.
A crowd favorite, Stephenson of Lincoln (Brooklyn, N.Y.) -- the No. 7-rated player in the ESPN 100 -- did not disappoint as he scored 29 points, dished out three assists and was named his team's co-MVP along with Maalik Wayns.
"I like keeping order," said Stephenson, who looked comfortable distributing in his third Boost Mobile game. "I like being in control with the ball in my hands."
Stephenson alternately directed The Goats from the point and unleashed his retooled, NBA-range 3-point jumper. Stephenson, undecided about college, is considering Memphis, Kansas, Texas, St. John's and Southern California.
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No disrpct to Lance, but y'all cant take nuthin away from the Rucker. My grams could drop 30 in that game.
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No disrpct to Lance, but y'all cant take nuthin away from the Rucker. My grams could drop 30 in that game.
Totally agree... game is bit of a joke...
It is nice for all of the young kids to get up to Rucker and play where many legends have tested themeselves though..
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But if your grams doesn't dribble the ball, she won't see the rock long enough to hit 30.
I turned off the Rucker game early. But I like what I saw from Durand Scott in his limited time. Looked smooth.
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Stephenson spends summer getting bigger and better
By Christopher Lawlor, ESPN.com
August 20, 2008
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/columns/story?columnist=lawlor_christopher&id=3544469
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0820/recruit_stephenson_580.jpg)
NEW YORK -- Dawn along Coney Island Beach is when Lance Stephenson Jr. enjoys the remnants of solitude. His days are long. His time is in demand.
While slogging through the sand on Brooklyn's southernmost tip, Stephenson is alone in thought. He's focused on each step, on pushing closer to greatness. The morning run is when he envisions unleashing a killer crossover dribble, ponders where he might attend college next fall, or contemplates school assignments he needs to complete.
Chasing greatness begins at 5:30 a.m. on streets named Surf, Mermaid and Atlantic. After an intense hour workout, which includes pull-ups and dips on a jungle gym in a nearby playground, Stephenson heads down Ocean Parkway to school.
For the faint at heart, the rigorous daily regimen is just that; reflecting the work ethic needed to rise above the competition and atop the analyst's charts in the high school basketball Class of 2009.
The 6-foot-6-inch guard no longer needs introductions. In the grassroots basketball universe, Stephenson is sun, the moon and the star.
The sun: players revolve around him, feeding off his energy. He's the center of the prep hoop universe.
The moon: a cold, desolate place, but one that breeds the cool mannerisms and individual drive to conquer greatness.
The star: his is shining brighter than ever.
Stargazing is the norm when Stephenson takes the court; he is the fan favorite. He regularly drains Sharpies signing autographs, but it's his signature moves and cocksure attitude that attract basketball aficionados.
Stephenson, like neighborhood legends Stephon Marbury and Sebastian Telfair, was earmarked for greatness at an early age. Stephenson, dubbed "Sir Lancelot" or "Born Ready," has grasped the Brooklyn torch with flair.
On Friday, Stephenson and 23 of the nation's elite boys' high school basketball players will compete in the Boost Mobile Elite 24 (ESPNU, 8 p.m. ET), a unique, summer-ending all-star game at the famed outdoor court at Rucker Park in Harlem.
The event's third incarnation is a celebration of the outdoor game, popularized by urban street legends. Thirteen of the 24 chosen players are rising seniors, including Stephenson.
Stephenson is no stranger to the event, having played in last year's game.
"Crowds can be tough [at Rucker] but I'm used to it," Stephenson said. "Outdoor games are about up and down court and showmanship. People want you to show them what you have. It's pretty much the same at the Gardens in Coney Island."
That's where Stephenson, the latest Brooklyn prodigy to lace them up for Lincoln High, toils and resides. He's a few blocks from the amusement park, home of the renowned Cyclone Roller Coaster, Nathan's Hot Dog stand and the New York Aquarium.
Killer workout
The mist usually lifts from the shores of the Atlantic shortly after sunrise. By that time Stephenson and his father Lance Sr. or "Stretch" (a name derived from a six-inch summertime growth spurt as a teen) have completed the "killer" workout.
Running, pushups, pull-ups, proper stretching and jump shots comprise the daily routine. (Stephenson and his father complete it in an hour, allowing both to be on time for school and work.)
The workout is patterned after the one created for Telfair by his half-brother, Jamel Thomas. Stephenson began running the beach with Telfair when he was 12.
"At first, Sebastian just sprinted in the sand leaving me way behind," Stephenson said. "But to be the best that's what I needed to do."
Running in the sand gives athletes a tough workout in a short distance; in Stephenson's case the route lasts 22 blocks (approximately two miles) on the sand, followed by a return trip on the boardwalk.
The back and shoulders benefit greatly from running on sand, because balance is stressed. Quadriceps (four muscles in the front thigh) bulge. Fast and slow twitch fibers generate short bursts of speed and strength, giving the legs their spring. Training in the sand cushions the knees, saving on wear and tear of the joint and surrounding soft tissue.
"After running on sand when I run the boardwalk it's like running on air," Stephenson said, grinning.
After that it's off to the Surfside Houses, a 15-story housing project, where Stephenson runs five sets of stairs. Translation: He sprints 15 flights of stairs to the roof and back, equaling a set.
As if that wasn't enough, Stephenson interweaves 500 push-ups between runs.
No wonder Stephenson has packed on nearly 20 pounds since the end of the high school season in March. He now carries 225 pounds on his sleek frame.
His defined body would send Praxiteles, an ancient Greek sculptor, scurrying for a chisel and hammer.
Stretch Stephenson says the blue print for "the perfect basketball body" took form when he saw LeBron James at the ABCD Camp in 2001.
"That's the body type you need to absorb the punishment," Stretch said.
Dwayne "Tiny" Morton, Lincoln's coach said: "I've seen [Stephenson] play around the neighborhood this summer and he's bigger; more [muscle] definition. He's nearly unstoppable down low and his outside shot is going down; that's against experienced players. Imagine when he's back at Lincoln."
Summertime blues
Stephenson and his father remained tight this summer. Stretch coached Raising Champions, a club team featuring Lance and several New York prospects.
Lance toyed with the nation's top-rated point guards at the Nike Steve Nash Skills Academy in June in New Jersey, then he attended the LeBron James Skills Academy, where 80 of the country's top prep players congregated in Akron, Ohio.
Last weekend, he played in outdoor tournaments at Orchard Beach (City Island in the Bronx) and the famed West Fourth Street Court in Greenwich Village. Tuesday he competed in a Marbury-Telfair sponsored event at the Gardens, just five blocks from home.
Stephenson ended the summer as the No. 7 prospect in the ESPN 100 player rankings. The knock on Stephenson was not necessarily his shooting ability, it was when and where he takes his shots. So instead of shooting racks of balls, Stephenson needed to understand why his shot was off target.
Enter Jerry Powell of Basketball Results, who has trained Stephenson weekly for the past three years. Powell reprogrammed Stephenson, drilling him in ballhandling skills, shooting and flexibility.
When Stephenson began, Powell noted he was "too stiff."
"Lance, like many athletes, did not know how to properly warm up or stretch," Powell said. "If your muscles aren't warmed up properly, you'll lose range of motion. Stretching properly before and after a workout helps prevent injuries."
It also helped Stephenson to become in tune with his body.
"Lance knows if he misses a jumper what we needs to do next time," said Powell, who currently trains NBA players Ron Artest, Al Harrington, Jermaine O'Neal, Mike James, Rajon Rondo, Marko Jaric and Dahntay Jones.
"The key is to make the adjustment immediately."
Stephenson has worked tirelessly on his long-range jumper -- he knows pundits question his shot's consistency. Powell continuously articulates why the drills will work.
"There is no offseason; Lance can't take anything for granted," Powell said.
Stephenson hasn't, and neither have the Lincoln Railsplitters. Last season, Lincoln (29-4), No. 11 in the ESPN HIGH Elite 25 final rankings, captured a sixth New York PSAL AA city championship in seven years (and third straight) and a second consecutive New York State Federation title.
Before he closes out his illustrious prep career, Stephenson will choose a college. He won't tip his hand but hinted programs such as Memphis, Kansas, Texas, St. John's and Southern California are in the mix.
Two decades ago, St. John's might have been a no-brainer for a Brooklyn kid (see Chris Mullin or Mark Jackson). Despite the Red Storm's recent struggles, Stephenson is intrigued.
"I'm looking at them hard," Stephenson said. "It would be great to bring back New York and rebuild one of the great programs. It's close to home; my family could see me play, but I'm interested also in seeing new places and going away."
College will likely last only one year before Stephenson declares for the NBA draft in 2010.
Stephenson, though, won't fast-forward his upcoming senior season. Lincoln will make three appearances on ESPN as part of a tortuous national schedule with stops in Oklahoma, New Jersey and Florida.
"You put together a schedule like this to test your players," Morton said. "The nation will see what we see every day."
That's Stephenson at his best.
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A 4 page write up on Lance talking about his development as player and person. Some interesting quotes I partticularly liked to hear Kenny Anderson's thoughts. However the Daily News prints some seriously bad quotes. Remember the anynomous quote from the Big East Ast about Norm. Well in this article they quote b&g assistant coach Elmer Anderson for saying Lance tells opponents that their girl friend is in his room. Now I know his point was that he will play head games with the opponents much like Lebron whispered in Arenas' ear on the free throw line but what a terrible quote for a man who is employed by a high school. Also why would the writer print this? He didn't have to quote him he could have said that he whispers in his opponents ear talking trash. IDK just my two cents on things. Overall its an enjoyable read.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2008/08/30/2008-08-30_time_for_lincoln_phenom_lance_stephenson.html
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Post-Summer College Projections :
http://blog.northstarbball.com/2008/08/30/postsummer-college-projections.aspx
LANCE STEPHENSON, LINCOLN (NY)
Projection: Memphis
Second in Line: Kansas
Third in Line: St. John's
(http://media.scout.com/media/image/39/390408.jpg)
I really think that Memphis is the team to beat to land Lance Stephenson, but Kansas and St. John's certainly have a legitimate shot as well. Some schools that Lance is considering may be lukewarm on getting him, as there are some character concerns. Meanwhile, other schools such as Memphis, Kansas, St. John's, and USC may be more likely to put these aside. John Calipari has dealt with players such as Robert Dozier and Joey Dorsey quite well. Bill Self is bringing in Marcus and Markieff Morris this year who are by no means angels. St. John's has already started a New York City pipeline by hiring Kimani Young, formerly of the New Heights AAU program, and Oswald "Oz" Cross, formerly of the NY Panthers AAU program, and by getting a commitment from Omari Lawrence. I think that Memphis, Kansas, St. John's, and USC are the four teams with the best shots and landing "Born Ready," in that order.
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I am hearing STRONG statements from people stating that Lance will commit to SJU
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I am hearing STRONG statements from people stating that Lance will commit to SJU
Reliable people?
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At this point its all hearsay and buzz I wouldn't hold too much stock in this but its encouraging that people are thinking and talking about it.
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i'm honestly not THAT shocked. i've said forever we are the perfect place for him to play and since he's so close to his family, he'll want to stay close.
i hope lance commits before anyone else, if he wants to come here we take him. period.
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We will get Stephenson and Parrom. Eat crow Norm haters
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We will get Stephenson and Parrom. Eat crow Norm haters
Don't jinx things - your last big prediction was us getting Syl.
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fellas relax I say y'all have about a 45% of getting him
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who's got the other 55%?
a combination of europe, kansas or usc?
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u right I take that back 21%
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We will get Stephenson and Parrom. Eat crow Norm haters
Don't jinx things - your last big prediction was us getting Syl.
Yea so Im due to be right. Anyways Syl led his team with 5 pts in a loss to a Canadian team last weekend.
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We will get Stephenson and Parrom. Eat crow Norm haters
Don't jinx things - your last big prediction was us getting Syl.
Yea so Im due to be right. Anyways Syl led his team with 5 pts in a loss to a Canadian team last weekend.
Just don't jinx things. Let it happen, then boast.
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We will get Stephenson and Parrom. Eat crow Norm haters
Don't jinx things - your last big prediction was us getting Syl.
Yea so Im due to be right. Anyways Syl led his team with 5 pts in a loss to a Canadian team last weekend.
Just don't jinx things. Let it happen, then boast.
What fun is that?
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u right I take that back 21%
haha im not quite understanding your mathematical breakdown here KOB. anyway, it is hearsay but it is the buzz going around right now.
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We will get Stephenson and Parrom. Eat crow Norm haters
Don't jinx things - your last big prediction was us getting Syl.
Yea so Im due to be right. Anyways Syl led his team with 5 pts in a loss to a Canadian team last weekend.
Yes they lost to McGill University last Sunday morning but the day before he had 16 points and 10 boards in his collegiate debut in a 15 point win over Concordia University last Saturday afternoon.
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i think that if lance decides to come that in the long run we are gonne wish we got parrom instead
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i think that if lance decides to come that in the long run we are gonne wish we got parrom instead
The grass is always greener on the other side isn't it?
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Guys Lance could take a full page ad out in the NY DAILY NEW, NY POST and NEWDAYS declaring his intention to attend St. John's... tons and tons of VERY loyal fans would be thrilled...
BUT HE STILL HAS TO GET ELIGIBLE AND MAKE IT THROUGH THE CLEARINGHOUSE...
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Guys Lance could take a full page ad out in the NY DAILY NEW, NY POST and NEWDAYS declaring his intention to attend St. John's... tons and tons of VERY loyal fans would be thrilled...
BUT HE STILL HAS TO GET ELIGIBLE AND MAKE IT THROUGH THE CLEARINGHOUSE...
You don't usually mince words.
Just how bad are LS's "academics?"
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Guys Lance could take a full page ad out in the NY DAILY NEW, NY POST and NEWDAYS declaring his intention to attend St. John's... tons and tons of VERY loyal fans would be thrilled...
BUT HE STILL HAS TO GET ELIGIBLE AND MAKE IT THROUGH THE CLEARINGHOUSE...
You don't usually mince words.
Just how bad are LS's "academics?"
I have said for a long long time that Lance might come here.. people can say anything they want.. his Father has a massive amount of influence with the kid and his Father doesn't want him to far away...
Lance's grades might keep him eligible to play in the PSAL but as of right now he sure isn't getting through the clearinghouse.. and if he got the score he needed on the SAT/ACT last Spring on his first try. . you would have heard about it...
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If Zendon Hamilton,Ron Artest and Erick Barkley can get eligible-so can Lance.
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If Zendon Hamilton,Ron Artest and Erick Barkley can get eligible-so can Lance.
Different standards these days Marco...
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Guys Lance could take a full page ad out in the NY DAILY NEW, NY POST and NEWDAYS declaring his intention to attend St. John's... tons and tons of VERY loyal fans would be thrilled...
BUT HE STILL HAS TO GET ELIGIBLE AND MAKE IT THROUGH THE CLEARINGHOUSE...
You don't usually mince words.
Just how bad are LS's "academics?"
I have said for a long long time that Lance might come here.. people can say anything they want.. his Father has a massive amount of influence with the kid and his Father doesn't want him to far away...
Lance's grades might keep him eligible to play in the PSAL but as of right now he sure isn't getting through the clearinghouse.. and if he got the score he needed on the SAT/ACT last Spring on his first try. . you would have heard about it...
I was hoping for something more concrete, one way or the other, but thanks for the reply.
We'll just have to wait and see if Tiny can pull out any more stops.
If Zendon Hamilton,Ron Artest and Erick Barkley can get eligible-so can Lance.
From your lips to God's ears, but..
Barkley had to go to MCI and arrive as a 20 year old. Hamilton took his infamous SAT test.
Even after going to Old Tappan for a pair of years, Lenny Cooke, who was certainly on Jarvis' radar, never qualified.
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If Zendon Hamilton,Ron Artest and Erick Barkley can get eligible-so can Lance.
Different standards these days Marco...
Different standards for who? The NCAA,school,coaching staff,athletic dept or the fans?
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If Zendon Hamilton,Ron Artest and Erick Barkley can get eligible-so can Lance.
Different standards these days Marco...
Different standards for who? The NCAA,school,coaching staff,athletic dept or the fans?
There are different standards to become eligible for the players now...
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this was on BEB, per redstormhoopsfan..
NEW RULE:
14 Core Courses:
4 years of English.
2 years of mathematics ( Algebra I or higher ) .
2 years of natural/physical science ( 1year of lab if offered by high school ) .
1 year of additional English, mathematics or natural/physical science.
2 years of social science.
3 years of additional courses ( from any area above or foreign language, nondoctrinal religion/philosophy, computer science ).
Computer science is being eliminated as an acceptable core-course area for students first entering any college or university on or after August 1, 2005. Students entering college on or after August 1, 2005, may not use any computer science courses in meeting the core course requirements.
The "sliding scale" has also been extended. It will now allow a higher core GPA to reduce the SAT component. A 2.5 core GPA will still require a 820 SAT score, a higher core GPA of 2.75 GPA would need a 720 SAT score, a 3.0 core GPA would only require a 620 SAT score and a 3.55 core GPA would require just a 400 SAT score. The NCAA states that their research indicates that core class grades were the best indicators of academic success during a student-athlete’s freshman year. The NCAA has also announced that they might also increase the overall number of required core classes to 15 or 16 in the near future.
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If Zendon Hamilton,Ron Artest and Erick Barkley can get eligible-so can Lance.
Different standards these days Marco...
Different standards for who? The NCAA,school,coaching staff,athletic dept or the fans?
There are different standards to become eligible for the players now...
Oh I thought we were talking about morals here. Would or should we go back to the days of shadiness, like some schools stilll practice?
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this was on BEB, per redstormhoopsfan..
actually there were changes as of 8/1/08..another year of Math and another year of "other" courses...we wouldn't want any athletes coming up 2 courses short because of the Jungle.
"Important Information About Division I
Initial-Eligibility Changes
The Division I initial-eligibility requirements have changed.
For the class of 2008: Division I only -- 16 core courses
If you plan to enter college in 2008 or after, you will need to present 16 core courses in the following breakdown:
4 years of English
3 years of mathematics (Algebra I or higher)
2 years of natural/physical science (one must be a lab science)
1 year of additional English, math or science
2 years of social studies
4 years of additional core courses (from any area listed above, or from foreign language, nondoctrinal religion or philosophy)"
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this was on BEB, per redstormhoopsfan..
actually there were changes as of 8/1/08..another year of Math and another year of "other" courses...we wouldn't want any athletes coming up 2 courses short because of the Jungle.
"Important Information About Division I
Initial-Eligibility Changes
The Division I initial-eligibility requirements have changed.
For the class of 2008: Division I only -- 16 core courses
If you plan to enter college in 2008 or after, you will need to present 16 core courses in the following breakdown:
4 years of English
3 years of mathematics (Algebra I or higher)
2 years of natural/physical science (one must be a lab science)
1 year of additional English, math or science
2 years of social studies
4 years of additional core courses (from any area listed above, or from foreign language, nondoctrinal religion or philosophy)"
I hear Tiny Morton teaches all these classes
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Marco, shadiness or no shadiness the Clearinghouse requirements are the Clearinghouse requirements. There are different requirements for Division I than Division II. If the numbers on the players' transcript don't meet up to the Clearinghouse requirements (whether it's the 16 cores, or the sliding scale of SAT score and GPA) then the athlete won't be cleared to play.
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Latest update from Zags:
http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/09/12/lances-recruiting-on-the-down-low/ (http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/09/12/lances-recruiting-on-the-down-low/)
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Latest update from Zags:
http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/09/12/lances-recruiting-on-the-down-low/ (http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/09/12/lances-recruiting-on-the-down-low/)
This has old quotes in it.
Anyways Lance Stephenson requested friendship with Johnny Jungle today.....progress....maybe...
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He requested it or was asked? I can't picture Lance reaching out to the jungle.
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he asked.
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In home visit last Thursday...
http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/09/17/lance-the-st-johns-home-visit/ (http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/09/17/lance-the-st-johns-home-visit/)
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some interesting quotes...this would be huge. I also like that he would be a one and done which would free up a ship for 2010 class.
"According to sources, the visit with Lance and his parents went very well, St. John’s feels good about it and the Red Storm believe they have a realistic shot at landing the 6-foot-5 Stephenson in the spring.
“He’s always had St. John’s on his list,†Morton said.
“I think they’re going to have a very good shot at him,†said recruiting analyst Tom Konchalski, who is close to the Stephenson family."
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http://www.zagsblog.net
Lance Stephenson had an in-home visit last Thursday with St. John’s head coach Norm Roberts and assistant Fred Quartlebaum.
“Yes,” said Lincoln coach Dwayne “Tiny” Morton.
According to sources, the visit with Lance and his parents went very well, St. John’s feels good about it and the Red Storm believe they have a realistic shot at landing the 6-foot-5 Stephenson in the spring.
“He’s always had St. John’s on his list,” Morton said.
“I think they’re going to have a very good shot at him,” said recruiting analyst Tom Konchalski, who is close to the Stephenson family.
Only a handful of schools are recruiting Stephenson — Kansas and USC and Lance has also mentioned Memphis and Texas — perhaps in part because they think Stephenson will be a one-and-done or that he might go overseas, a la Brandon Jennings.
Lance has said on several occasions that he won’t sign until the late signing period in April.
“Right now, I’m just worrying about basketball and at the end I’ll do all that college stuff,” Stephenson, a senior at Brooklyn Lincoln ranked No. 4 among shooting guards in the Class of 2009, told me recently. “I’m going to do my high school season and after that I look forward to telling everybody what school I should go to.”
Lance Stephenson Sr. did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
“We’re just not talking about it really,” he said previously. “We’re just going to keep it private. That’s the way it is.”
St. John’s also had an in-home visit Monday with 6-7 power forward James Padgett. Padgett took an official visit last weekend to Maryland, which he described as “fair.” He will visit Pittsburgh this weekend.
HALL OF FAME INDUCTIONS TONIGHT
Kenny Anderson, Rod Strickland, and Sam Perkins headline tonight’s inductions into the NYC Basketball Hall of Fame at the New York Athletic Club.
Eddie “The Eel” Younger, who played at Long Island University and with the New York Rens, coach Pete Gillen, and Rucker Pro League contributor Bob McCullough will also be inducted, as will former Columbia star Lou Bender.
The event is sold out.
-Good news to hear St. John's has a good shot at this talented kid.
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=852617
Top NY guard takes 2nd visit to Johnnies
Maurice Wingate
RedStormReport.com Editor
After the verbal commitment of Omari Lawrence, it looks like the flood gates have opened with regard to interest in St. John's University.
Lance Stephenson A top player in New York has recently taken a second visit to University and has placed them on high on his list.
While some looked at the commitment of Kevin Parrom to Xavier as proof that the Lawrence commitment was just a glitch, there are also signs that there might be more commitments to follow.
Last Thursday, Lance Stephenson had another unofficial visit to St. Johns. Stephenson had taken his first visit during the St. John's camp this summer.
When asked about his opinion of the Johnnies, Stephenson said, "They've already got a couple of good players and a good big man and I think with a new point guard coming in, we can work with it."
Asked if he thinks he would work well with Lawrence, Stephenson said, "Yeah, I think me and him could bring New York back."
Stephenson was also clear to point out that he has not made a final decision with regard to which school he will ultimately pick and won't decide on one until after the upcoming season. He plans to take a few more visits but it is also clear that St. John's is right up there in the running.
Another New Yorker that St. John's coach Norm Roberts is focusing on is Abraham Lincoln senior center James Padgett
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St. John's hoping to be Born again
Landing Lance Stephenson could revive fledgling program
By Adam Zagoria / SNY.tv
Lance Stephenson said he will focus on the upcoming high school season before making his college decision. (AP)
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The biggest star at the St. John's basketball Midnight Madness event Thursday wasn't Anthony Mason Jr., Justin Burrell or even head coach Norm Roberts.
No, the most honored guest at the 2008 Red Storm Tip-Off was a 6-foot-5, 200-pound senior guard from Lincoln High School on Coney Island who some think could transform the program simply by committing there.
Lance Stephenson, known by the moniker "Born Ready," also the title of an Internet documentary detailing his life story and available at BornReady.tv, attended the event with his parents, Lance Sr. and Bern.
Despite imminent rain, several hundred fans also joined the festivities, which included a free BBQ, speeches by Roberts and women's head coach Kim Barnes Arrico and scrimmages by both teams.
Stephenson, a tremendously strong and athletic top-10 recruit out of the same high school that produced Stephon Marbury and Sebastian Telfair, is considering St. John's, along with a few other schools. Kansas, USC, Texas and Memphis are also on his list.
He says he won't announce his choice until the spring signing period in April.
"Right now, I'm just worrying about basketball and at the end I'll do all that college stuff," Stephenson, ranked No. 4 among shooting guards in the Class of 2009, told me recently. "I'm going to do my high school season and after that I look forward to telling everybody what school I should go to."
More and more, though, it looks like he could well end up at St. John's, serving as the biggest recruit of a Roberts Era which has been marked by mediocrity as the program attempts to lift itself out of the probation triggered under Mike Jarvis.
"I think they're going to have a very good shot at him," said recruiting analyst Tom Konchalski, who is close to the Stephenson family.
Konchalski knows as well as anyone that Stephenson brings some baggage. His body language and attitude sometimes reflect negatively on teammates and coaches.
This summer he was cut from the USA U-18 National team despite being the most talented player at the tryouts. He was cut after repeated clashes with head coach Bob McKillop, the Davidson coach, yet both Lance and his father later said they were never told explicitly why he was let go, and that McKillop told Lance what a talented player he was.
Still, St. John's needs Lance Stephenson perhaps more than it has ever needed a recruit.
There was a time when St. John's was a national basketball powerhouse that would regularly draw the top players from all five boroughs.
In the early 1980s, Chris Mullin, Mark Jackson and Walter Berry led the Red Men (as they were then known) to the 1985 NCAA Final Four, one of three Big East teams that made the trip. Mullin won the Wooden Award in '85 and Berry captured it a year later.
Later, the late Malik Sealy dazzled crowds at Madison Square Garden and Carnesecca Arena.
Those days are long past, and St. John's, along with Rutgers and Seton Hall, have been relegated to the lower division of the now monstrous 16-team Big East -- with a long climb ahead of them.
Louisville coach Rick Pitino, Pittsburgh's Jamie Dixon and now West Virginia's Bob Huggins routinely come into New York City and pull away the Big Apple's top talent. With several trips a year back to New York and New Jersey for conference games, plus the promise of the Big East tournament every March at the Garden, every local kid knows he'll play near home no matter what school he attends.
Roberts, who signed a five-year extension in May after an 11-19 season, knows this better than anybody. And he knows he must start landing local talent.
The Red Storm have already secured a verbal commitment from Omari Lawrence, a 6-4 senior shooting guard from the Bronx now playing at South Kent, a prep school in Connecticut.
"I think you always want to get the highest quality player that you can get," Roberts told me this summer. "There are some locally that aren't too far away that of course you'd want to have them, and we'd love to add someone like that to our program.
"That could be the person that helps get you over the top."
Lance Stephenson is likely to only be on campus for a year before heading off to the riches of the NBA. Some NBA coaches and players have already pronounced him physically ready for the league.
Yet for that one year, he could help stir excitement around the program and draw fans to the Garden.
He plays some of his best ball there.
This spring he dropped 27 points at the Garden when Lincoln routed rival Boys & Girls, 88-57, to win its third straight public school title.
"I was so hyped before the game, I just wanted to get out there and destroy them, and get the game over with so my other teammates can see how the court feels," Stephenson said that night.
"I got chills. We all got chills," Lincoln coach Dwayne "Tiny" Morton told reporters. "It was the second coming to Sebastian. Too bad he can't go straight from high school [to the pros]."
No, he can't, although he has mentioned the possibility of playing overseas, following the trailblazing path set by onetime Arizona commit Brandon Jennings, who recently signed a three-year, multimillion dollar deal to play in Italy.
Some think Stephenson will take the money and run. Others find it hard to imagine a Coney Island kid going to Europe.
Which brings us back to St. John's. Kansas coach Bill Self and USC coach Tim Floyd recruited Stephenson this summer in Las Vegas, but Roberts is working hard. He recently had an in-home visit with the family.
The Red Storm fans know all about it and are agog with excitement at the chance of "Born Ready" playing for the Johnnies.
"As a St. John's fan and season ticket holder, I think his committing to St. John's is a huge win for both parties involved," Bob Gunther, a longtime St. John's fan, wrote in an email. "For Lance's benefit, Carnesecca Arena and Madison Square Garden will be packed to the rafters to see this top-rated phenomenon play... right in our backyard. And most likely televised on SNY!
"Since 'Born Ready' is projected to be a one-and-done by most, where better to showcase his talent than at St. John's, playing in the toughest conference, the Big East; playing in New York City at the World's Most Famous Arena. It doesn't get much better than that!
"New York, the media capital of the world. New York, home to the NBA Headquarters. Imagine the number of scouts and team executives who would be sitting at the Garden for every St. John's game watching and wishing."
Yes, imagine. It could happen sooner than you think. And it might turn out to be "Born Ready"'s best move.
Adam Zagoria is a regular contributor to SNY.tv. Read his blog at ZagsBlog.net.
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:) make that mofo happen
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http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/11001288/2
• Lance Stephenson
Stephenson broke onto the national scene three summers ago when he battled O.J. Mayo at the ABCD Camp. Immediately, his talent was noticeable. But so was his attitude, and the latter has seemed to overshadow the former in recent years. That's why many of the elite schools have moved on, because they're not interested in dealing with the circus that could follow Stephenson to campus. But again, he's a talented dude. And if the New Yorker proves to be coachable he'll be a huge coup for anybody, especially if that anybody is his hometown school.
Where is Stephenson headed?
Telep: St. John's
Daniels: St. John's
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I watched episodes 1-20 of the Born Ready Documentary its pretty good. Lance is just a kid and I think people tend to forget that. I really want to see this kid in a St. John's uniform it would be awesome on so many levels.
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http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/11001288/2
• Lance Stephenson
Stephenson broke onto the national scene three summers ago when he battled O.J. Mayo at the ABCD Camp. Immediately, his talent was noticeable. But so was his attitude, and the latter has seemed to overshadow the former in recent years. That's why many of the elite schools have moved on, because they're not interested in dealing with the circus that could follow Stephenson to campus. But again, he's a talented dude. And if the New Yorker proves to be coachable he'll be a huge coup for anybody, especially if that anybody is his hometown school.
Where is Stephenson headed?
Telep: St. John's
Daniels: St. John's
Hopefully, Vaccaro doesn't persuade him to go to Europe.
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
No doubt.
Y'all see this gonna be the biggest trend in high school hoops 'less the NCAA or NBA change some of them rules.
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
I am sorry. . I totally disagree here...
It will be a trend for the kids that pay no attention to their academics and can't get through the NCAA Clearinghouse...?
Could you imagine an immature 19 year like Lance Stephenson on his own in Europe...?
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Could you imagine an immature 19 year like Lance Stephenson on his own in Europe...?
Nah, 'cause he gonna have his whole entourage wit him. Just like the TV show 'cept wit his pops too.
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
I am sorry. . I totally disagree here...
It will be a trend for the kids that pay no attention to their academics and can't get through the NCAA Clearinghouse...?
Could you imagine an immature 19 year like Lance Stephenson on his own in Europe...?
I have a really hard time believing that if there are contracts for the most talented American players, that they will be on their own. They'll have an advisor/ part of their entourage or someone with them, depending on the salaries. Kids are already not paying much attention to their academics - that's already a trend. And many of those kids have no interest in school. So that other option will certainly be palatable.
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NBA should make it you can leave right out of HS, but if you go to NCAA, you have to stay for at least 2 years.
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http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/11001288/2
• Lance Stephenson
Stephenson broke onto the national scene three summers ago when he battled O.J. Mayo at the ABCD Camp. Immediately, his talent was noticeable. But so was his attitude, and the latter has seemed to overshadow the former in recent years. That's why many of the elite schools have moved on, because they're not interested in dealing with the circus that could follow Stephenson to campus. But again, he's a talented dude. And if the New Yorker proves to be coachable he'll be a huge coup for anybody, especially if that anybody is his hometown school.
Where is Stephenson headed?
Telep: St. John's
Daniels: St. John's
Excellent find kjd. It's interesting that both telep and Daniels believe lance will end up signing with St. john's. These two gentleman seem to have their finger on the pulse of the national recruiting scene. Very encouraging report.
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
No doubt.
Y'all see this gonna be the biggest trend in high school hoops 'less the NCAA or NBA change some of them rules.
I hate to say it, but if the top 3-4 HS players went to Europe every year, the College game might be better for it.
It would open more Scholarships for lesser players who really want to go to the school.
Coaches would not have to chase the superstars.
And the one and done would become a thing of the past.
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http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/10/01/lance-planning-visits-to-kansas-memphis/
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Lance Stephenson is planning visits to Kansas and Memphis, according to Hassani Stewart, Stephenson’s coach with the Raising Champions AAU team.
“We don’t have anything concrete,†Stewart said by phone. “We’re planning on visiting Memphis and Kansas. We’re looking at Oct. 15 or 17 for Kansas. I have to talk to (head coach) Bill Self and (assistant) Joe Dooley. Memphis we’re definitely not sure. We’re supposed to go down for their Midnight Madness (Oct. 17).
“What’s throwing us off is this iS8 stuff.â€
The iS8 playoffs begin Oct. 7.
Kansas is also hosting its “Late Night in the Phog†event Oct. 17, and Dominic Cheek of St. Anthony of Jersey City may well attend.
Stewart said Stephenson also considered visiting USC for the Ohio State football game on Sept. 13 but “decided not to go on the trip.â€
Stephenson is also considering USC and UCLA.
“We’re trying to get three visits in prior to the start of the (high school) season,†Stewart said.
Whatever happens, Lance won’t decide until the spring.
“After the season,†Stewart said.
As far as academics, Stephenson has taken the PSAT and his “grades are on track†to be academically eligible, Stewart said.
The coach added that Stephenson wants to play in college, not go overseas or to the Army, options which he and his father have mentioned.
“He really wants to go to college,†Stewart said. “He’s still a kid. He’s a ballplayer and he wants to perform. He doesn’t want any special treatment.â€
Stephenson recently had an in-home visit with St. John’s head coach Norm Roberts and assistant Fred Quartlebaum, and followed that up with an unofficial visit to Queens for the the St. John’s Midnight Madness event.
Stewart said Stephenson would have to decide whether he wants to remain close to home for college or leave the watchful eye of his family.
“The deciding factor right now is A) does he want to go away; or B) does he want to stay home,†Stewart said.
“If he stays home, you have to deal with the media at St. John’s and he’s going to have a lot of pressure on him here. I don’t think that scares him. Will it scare him more being away from home, or dealing with the pressure (of New York City)?â€
Stewart said Stephenson has admiration for all the college coaches involved.
“They’re all great coaches and all great schools,†he said.
Stewart added that Stephenson learned from his experience this summer in which he was cut from the USA U18 team, and hoped to enjoy his senior season with his teammates. Lincoln is pursuing its fourth straight PSAL title.
“He’s taken the constructive criticism,†he said. “He wants to be positive with his teammates, minimize his antics, smile more and enjoy his last year of high school because once it’s over, it’s over.â€
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that Memphis visit is gonna be something
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that Memphis visit is gonna be something
$omething?
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NBA should make it you can leave right out of HS, but if you go to NCAA, you have to stay for at least 2 years.
there shouldnt be any rule of the sort...i hate to sound lame but this is america, any qualified person should be able to have any job at any time if there is someone willing to employ them
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
I am not sure if I agree or disagree.
If you family is in a tough financial situation... chances are that they have been dealing with it for your whole life (18-19 years). Therefore, what is another 4 years while you get your education (for free)???
If your as good as everyone thinks you are... then in 4 years you will be educated and rich. Rather than uneducated and rich.... which will most uneducated kids just blow the money on cars, jewerly, etc.
On the other hand, he can always go back to school and pay for it himself if he takes the check now. But I only can name a few players who have done this.
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disagree.
there should be some rules to protect your product. most americans are addicted to high standards.
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I think that high school seniors should be able to enter, but they should make less money and have a longer contract before a supposed free agency payday. It may make kids think harder about entering the draft. And seniors should be rewarded for sticking it out.
For example, if the No. 1 pick overall is a:
senior: 3 years at $5 million per.
junior: 4 years at $3.25 million per.
sophmore: 5 years at $2.5 million per.
freshman: 6 years at 1.75 million per.
H.S. senior: 7 years at $900,000 per.
I just threw these numbers out and didn't calculate proper spacing but you get the idea.
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
I am not sure if I agree or disagree.
If you family is in a tough financial situation... chances are that they have been dealing with it for your whole life (18-19 years). Therefore, what is another 4 years while you get your education (for free)???
If your as good as everyone thinks you are... then in 4 years you will be educated and rich. Rather than uneducated and rich.... which will most uneducated kids just blow the money on cars, jewerly, etc.
On the other hand, he can always go back to school and pay for it himself if he takes the check now. But I only can name a few players who have done this.
And what if the kid blows his knee out? Waht if a family member of the kid, god forbid, is hurt or killed while still living in a rough neighborhood when the kid could've taken the money and gotten his family out of the situation? Very easy to downplay this stuff when people haven't walked a mile in those shoes.
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Take the money if the check big enough.
Opportunity may not present itself later.
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Take the money if the check big enough.
Opportunity may not present itself later.
It's true. What would we do if it were us? He could get hurt, or prove that he was never that good to begin with like Lopez and Rhodes.
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Take the money if the check big enough.
Opportunity may not present itself later.
It's true. What would we do if it were us? He could get hurt, or prove that he was never that good to begin with like Lopez and Rhodes.
Well if you want to look at the negatives coming here you have to also look at the negatives going elsewhere. Be fair. I think there are plenty of positives if he came here more so than anywhere else.
Lance is not as cultured as Jennings not even close. Lance has pretty much never left Coney Island for an extended period of time. Jennings at least had 2 years on his own at Oak Hill Academy. There are so many factors thaet could go right/wrong for Lance over in Europe. Also I'm not sold on the success that Jennings will have over there. All it takes is for one Euro to get heated over something with him or call him a bad teammate, selfish american, and things could get very bad. We don't have constant media over there covering this so things could get spun unfairly very easily.
Lance was called selfish for team America and got cut. What do you think about guys who are trying to earn a paycheck/living think about some 20 year old kid who will be here for a year taking 30 shots a game killing their personal stats from lack of involvement while they are playing for a contract next year. How will that go over? I can go over plenty of scenarios. I don't think Euro is a good idea.
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http://www.sports.ru/blog/messina/5873746.html
Vaccaro likes to point out the sunny side of European basketball, but the other side includes the weak financial positions of the leagues and teams (which results in the uncertainty of receiving full payment), roster instabilty (fans don't become emotionally attached), weak player unions, and burgeoning resentment towards foreign players.
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
I am not sure if I agree or disagree.
If you family is in a tough financial situation... chances are that they have been dealing with it for your whole life (18-19 years). Therefore, what is another 4 years while you get your education (for free)???
If your as good as everyone thinks you are... then in 4 years you will be educated and rich. Rather than uneducated and rich.... which will most uneducated kids just blow the money on cars, jewerly, etc.
On the other hand, he can always go back to school and pay for it himself if he takes the check now. But I only can name a few players who have done this.
And what if the kid blows his knee out? Waht if a family member of the kid, god forbid, is hurt or killed while still living in a rough neighborhood when the kid could've taken the money and gotten his family out of the situation? Very easy to downplay this stuff when people haven't walked a mile in those shoes.
I can understand that. Maybe the NBA can institute a policy that if the kid signs and takes a check... a lot of the money (something like 50%) is put into some type of deferred compensation plan. This way the kid cannot touch all of the money upfront and possibly blow it on unnecessary things.
For instance, if the kid makes 3 million in his first year, take 1.5 million and put it in a deferred compensation plan or some other type of plan that has a 5 to 10 year vesting schedule. The plan can have some kind of provision that if he is buying a house, he can take the proceeds. If not, he cant touch it. The other 1.5, he can take upfront to help his family out immediately.
I think this would help out kids who are too immature to manage such a huge amount of cash themselves... until they have grown up a bit.
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
I am not sure if I agree or disagree.
If you family is in a tough financial situation... chances are that they have been dealing with it for your whole life (18-19 years). Therefore, what is another 4 years while you get your education (for free)???
If your as good as everyone thinks you are... then in 4 years you will be educated and rich. Rather than uneducated and rich.... which will most uneducated kids just blow the money on cars, jewerly, etc.
On the other hand, he can always go back to school and pay for it himself if he takes the check now. But I only can name a few players who have done this.
And what if the kid blows his knee out? Waht if a family member of the kid, god forbid, is hurt or killed while still living in a rough neighborhood when the kid could've taken the money and gotten his family out of the situation? Very easy to downplay this stuff when people haven't walked a mile in those shoes.
I can understand that. Maybe the NBA can institute a policy that if the kid signs and takes a check... a lot of the money (something like 50%) is put into some type of deferred compensation plan. This way the kid cannot touch all of the money upfront and possibly blow it on unnecessary things.
For instance, if the kid makes 3 million in his first year, take 1.5 million and put it in a deferred compensation plan or some other type of plan that has a 5 to 10 year vesting schedule. The plan can have some kind of provision that if he is buying a house, he can take the proceeds. If not, he cant touch it. The other 1.5, he can take upfront to help his family out immediately.
I think this would help out kids who are too immature to manage such a huge amount of cash themselves... until they have grown up a bit.
Deferred compensation plans are now way too complicated under tax law. Couldn't withdraw money to buy a house without incurring an additional 20% tax. Also, why subject money that you could have today to risk of forfeiture? It's one thing to defer w/o adding any vesting conditions in order to delay income, but why would the kid want to add vesting conditions as well?
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Pittsburgh, interested in Lance?
http://w3.nbebasketball.com/index.php/big-east-news-notes-1062008/
Also, St. John’s might not be the only Big East team involved with the mega-talented Lance Stephenson as Pittsburgh has entered the mix with Brandin Knight leading their efforts on the recruiting trail.
Note that there is no attribution for the info, so I'm not sure how reliable the source is.
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Note that there is no attribution for the info, so I'm not sure how reliable the source is.
“Kansas, Memphis, USC and UCLA are the schools Lance wants to visit within the month,†Stewart told JayHawkslant.com. “Brandin Knight from Pittsburgh is really pushing hard for a visit. He’s done a great job of providing a lot of information about the school to Lance, but I just don’t know at this point if a visit to Pittsburgh will happen.â€
NBE->Zags->JHS
http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/10/03/williams-lawrence-to-visit-st-johns/
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
I am not sure if I agree or disagree.
If you family is in a tough financial situation... chances are that they have been dealing with it for your whole life (18-19 years). Therefore, what is another 4 years while you get your education (for free)???
If your as good as everyone thinks you are... then in 4 years you will be educated and rich. Rather than uneducated and rich.... which will most uneducated kids just blow the money on cars, jewerly, etc.
On the other hand, he can always go back to school and pay for it himself if he takes the check now. But I only can name a few players who have done this.
And what if the kid blows his knee out? Waht if a family member of the kid, god forbid, is hurt or killed while still living in a rough neighborhood when the kid could've taken the money and gotten his family out of the situation? Very easy to downplay this stuff when people haven't walked a mile in those shoes.
I can understand that. Maybe the NBA can institute a policy that if the kid signs and takes a check... a lot of the money (something like 50%) is put into some type of deferred compensation plan. This way the kid cannot touch all of the money upfront and possibly blow it on unnecessary things.
For instance, if the kid makes 3 million in his first year, take 1.5 million and put it in a deferred compensation plan or some other type of plan that has a 5 to 10 year vesting schedule. The plan can have some kind of provision that if he is buying a house, he can take the proceeds. If not, he cant touch it. The other 1.5, he can take upfront to help his family out immediately.
I think this would help out kids who are too immature to manage such a huge amount of cash themselves... until they have grown up a bit.
Deferred compensation plans are now way too complicated under tax law. Couldn't withdraw money to buy a house without incurring an additional 20% tax. Also, why subject money that you could have today to risk of forfeiture? It's one thing to defer w/o adding any vesting conditions in order to delay income, but why would the kid want to add vesting conditions as well?
Q: Also, why subject money that you could have today to risk of forfeiture?
A: From my understanding, if invested prudently there wouldn't be a forfeiture.
Q: It's one thing to defer w/o adding any vesting conditions in order to delay income, but why would the kid want to add vesting conditions as well?
A: The kid wouldn't want to delay income or want a vesting schedule. But I think it would be in the best interest of the kid to prevent him from making financial mistakes. Let's face it, there aren't too many 18-21 year olds who would do the right thing with their money by becoming an instant millionaire. Under my suggestion, I was trying to say if the kid signed for 3 million. He would get 50% in cash. The other 50% would be in a deferred comp plan (let's say 10 years) where he would be able to take 20% per year, after year 5.
Contract: 3 million per year for 3 years (9 million total)
Year 1: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Year 2: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Year 3: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Now let's just say the kid blows out his knee and never signs a contract again.
Year 4: Nothing
Year 5: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300K (plus any interest in the deferred comp)
Year 6: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k
Year 7: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million in deferred comp from year 3 = 300k (Total payout 900k)
year 8: Again... 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million in deferred comp from year 3 = 300k (Total payout 900k)
year 9: repeat of years 7 & 8
year 10: repeat of years 7, 8 & 9.
year 11: you get the idea....
In summary his cash payout would look like this:
Year 1: 1.5 million
Year 2: 1.5 million
Year 3: 1.5 million
Year 4: 0
Year 5: 300k
Year 6: 600k
Year 7: 900k
Year 8: 900k
Year 9: 900k
Year 10: 600k
Year 11: 300k
Year 12: nothing
Like I mentioned earlier this would assume he would blow out his knee in year 3/4 and wouldnt play a game of basketball ever again. It also assumes the kid didn't make any interest/gains from the money kept in the deferred comp plan. I think something like this would help the kids save their money until they grow up a bit and become more responsible. Additionally, under my scenario, if the kid did blow out his knee in year 3/4, he would (1) be older and hopefully more responsible (2) still have some money saved to live a good life afterwards for him and his family.
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
I am not sure if I agree or disagree.
If you family is in a tough financial situation... chances are that they have been dealing with it for your whole life (18-19 years). Therefore, what is another 4 years while you get your education (for free)???
If your as good as everyone thinks you are... then in 4 years you will be educated and rich. Rather than uneducated and rich.... which will most uneducated kids just blow the money on cars, jewerly, etc.
On the other hand, he can always go back to school and pay for it himself if he takes the check now. But I only can name a few players who have done this.
And what if the kid blows his knee out? Waht if a family member of the kid, god forbid, is hurt or killed while still living in a rough neighborhood when the kid could've taken the money and gotten his family out of the situation? Very easy to downplay this stuff when people haven't walked a mile in those shoes.
I can understand that. Maybe the NBA can institute a policy that if the kid signs and takes a check... a lot of the money (something like 50%) is put into some type of deferred compensation plan. This way the kid cannot touch all of the money upfront and possibly blow it on unnecessary things.
For instance, if the kid makes 3 million in his first year, take 1.5 million and put it in a deferred compensation plan or some other type of plan that has a 5 to 10 year vesting schedule. The plan can have some kind of provision that if he is buying a house, he can take the proceeds. If not, he cant touch it. The other 1.5, he can take upfront to help his family out immediately.
I think this would help out kids who are too immature to manage such a huge amount of cash themselves... until they have grown up a bit.
Deferred compensation plans are now way too complicated under tax law. Couldn't withdraw money to buy a house without incurring an additional 20% tax. Also, why subject money that you could have today to risk of forfeiture? It's one thing to defer w/o adding any vesting conditions in order to delay income, but why would the kid want to add vesting conditions as well?
Q: Also, why subject money that you could have today to risk of forfeiture?
A: From my understanding, if invested prudently there wouldn't be a forfeiture.
Q: It's one thing to defer w/o adding any vesting conditions in order to delay income, but why would the kid want to add vesting conditions as well?
A: The kid wouldn't want to delay income or want a vesting schedule. But I think it would be in the best interest of the kid to prevent him from making financial mistakes. Let's face it, there aren't too many 18-21 year olds who would do the right thing with their money by becoming an instant millionaire. Under my suggestion, I was trying to say if the kid signed for 3 million. He would get 50% in cash. The other 50% would be in a deferred comp plan (let's say 10 years) where he would be able to take 20% per year, after year 5.
Contract: 3 million per year for 3 years (9 million total)
Year 1: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Year 2: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Year 3: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Now let's just say the kid blows out his knee and never signs a contract again.
Year 4: Nothing
Year 5: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300K (plus any interest in the deferred comp)
Year 6: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k
Year 7: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million in deferred comp from year 3 = 300k (Total payout 900k)
year 8: Again... 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million in deferred comp from year 3 = 300k (Total payout 900k)
year 9: repeat of years 7 & 8
year 10: repeat of years 7, 8 & 9.
year 11: you get the idea....
In summary his cash payout would look like this:
Year 1: 1.5 million
Year 2: 1.5 million
Year 3: 1.5 million
Year 4: 0
Year 5: 300k
Year 6: 600k
Year 7: 900k
Year 8: 900k
Year 9: 900k
Year 10: 600k
Year 11: 300k
Year 12: nothing
Like I mentioned earlier this would assume he would blow out his knee in year 3/4 and wouldnt play a game of basketball ever again. It also assumes the kid didn't make any interest/gains from the money kept in the deferred comp plan. I think something like this would help the kids save their money until they grow up a bit and become more responsible. Additionally, under my scenario, if the kid did blow out his knee in year 3/4, he would (1) be older and hopefully more responsible (2) still have some money saved to live a good life afterwards for him and his family.
I think you're conflating vesting with distribution.
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
I am not sure if I agree or disagree.
If you family is in a tough financial situation... chances are that they have been dealing with it for your whole life (18-19 years). Therefore, what is another 4 years while you get your education (for free)???
If your as good as everyone thinks you are... then in 4 years you will be educated and rich. Rather than uneducated and rich.... which will most uneducated kids just blow the money on cars, jewerly, etc.
On the other hand, he can always go back to school and pay for it himself if he takes the check now. But I only can name a few players who have done this.
And what if the kid blows his knee out? Waht if a family member of the kid, god forbid, is hurt or killed while still living in a rough neighborhood when the kid could've taken the money and gotten his family out of the situation? Very easy to downplay this stuff when people haven't walked a mile in those shoes.
I can understand that. Maybe the NBA can institute a policy that if the kid signs and takes a check... a lot of the money (something like 50%) is put into some type of deferred compensation plan. This way the kid cannot touch all of the money upfront and possibly blow it on unnecessary things.
For instance, if the kid makes 3 million in his first year, take 1.5 million and put it in a deferred compensation plan or some other type of plan that has a 5 to 10 year vesting schedule. The plan can have some kind of provision that if he is buying a house, he can take the proceeds. If not, he cant touch it. The other 1.5, he can take upfront to help his family out immediately.
I think this would help out kids who are too immature to manage such a huge amount of cash themselves... until they have grown up a bit.
Deferred compensation plans are now way too complicated under tax law. Couldn't withdraw money to buy a house without incurring an additional 20% tax. Also, why subject money that you could have today to risk of forfeiture? It's one thing to defer w/o adding any vesting conditions in order to delay income, but why would the kid want to add vesting conditions as well?
Q: Also, why subject money that you could have today to risk of forfeiture?
A: From my understanding, if invested prudently there wouldn't be a forfeiture.
Q: It's one thing to defer w/o adding any vesting conditions in order to delay income, but why would the kid want to add vesting conditions as well?
A: The kid wouldn't want to delay income or want a vesting schedule. But I think it would be in the best interest of the kid to prevent him from making financial mistakes. Let's face it, there aren't too many 18-21 year olds who would do the right thing with their money by becoming an instant millionaire. Under my suggestion, I was trying to say if the kid signed for 3 million. He would get 50% in cash. The other 50% would be in a deferred comp plan (let's say 10 years) where he would be able to take 20% per year, after year 5.
Contract: 3 million per year for 3 years (9 million total)
Year 1: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Year 2: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Year 3: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Now let's just say the kid blows out his knee and never signs a contract again.
Year 4: Nothing
Year 5: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300K (plus any interest in the deferred comp)
Year 6: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k
Year 7: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million in deferred comp from year 3 = 300k (Total payout 900k)
year 8: Again... 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million in deferred comp from year 3 = 300k (Total payout 900k)
year 9: repeat of years 7 & 8
year 10: repeat of years 7, 8 & 9.
year 11: you get the idea....
In summary his cash payout would look like this:
Year 1: 1.5 million
Year 2: 1.5 million
Year 3: 1.5 million
Year 4: 0
Year 5: 300k
Year 6: 600k
Year 7: 900k
Year 8: 900k
Year 9: 900k
Year 10: 600k
Year 11: 300k
Year 12: nothing
Like I mentioned earlier this would assume he would blow out his knee in year 3/4 and wouldnt play a game of basketball ever again. It also assumes the kid didn't make any interest/gains from the money kept in the deferred comp plan. I think something like this would help the kids save their money until they grow up a bit and become more responsible. Additionally, under my scenario, if the kid did blow out his knee in year 3/4, he would (1) be older and hopefully more responsible (2) still have some money saved to live a good life afterwards for him and his family.
I think you're conflating vesting with distribution.
Vesting is the termology that is used (it is used in the industry when talking about restricted stock, employee stock options, 401k plans, etc). But it means the same thing as a distribution.
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
I am not sure if I agree or disagree.
If you family is in a tough financial situation... chances are that they have been dealing with it for your whole life (18-19 years). Therefore, what is another 4 years while you get your education (for free)???
If your as good as everyone thinks you are... then in 4 years you will be educated and rich. Rather than uneducated and rich.... which will most uneducated kids just blow the money on cars, jewerly, etc.
On the other hand, he can always go back to school and pay for it himself if he takes the check now. But I only can name a few players who have done this.
And what if the kid blows his knee out? Waht if a family member of the kid, god forbid, is hurt or killed while still living in a rough neighborhood when the kid could've taken the money and gotten his family out of the situation? Very easy to downplay this stuff when people haven't walked a mile in those shoes.
I can understand that. Maybe the NBA can institute a policy that if the kid signs and takes a check... a lot of the money (something like 50%) is put into some type of deferred compensation plan. This way the kid cannot touch all of the money upfront and possibly blow it on unnecessary things.
For instance, if the kid makes 3 million in his first year, take 1.5 million and put it in a deferred compensation plan or some other type of plan that has a 5 to 10 year vesting schedule. The plan can have some kind of provision that if he is buying a house, he can take the proceeds. If not, he cant touch it. The other 1.5, he can take upfront to help his family out immediately.
I think this would help out kids who are too immature to manage such a huge amount of cash themselves... until they have grown up a bit.
Deferred compensation plans are now way too complicated under tax law. Couldn't withdraw money to buy a house without incurring an additional 20% tax. Also, why subject money that you could have today to risk of forfeiture? It's one thing to defer w/o adding any vesting conditions in order to delay income, but why would the kid want to add vesting conditions as well?
Q: Also, why subject money that you could have today to risk of forfeiture?
A: From my understanding, if invested prudently there wouldn't be a forfeiture.
Q: It's one thing to defer w/o adding any vesting conditions in order to delay income, but why would the kid want to add vesting conditions as well?
A: The kid wouldn't want to delay income or want a vesting schedule. But I think it would be in the best interest of the kid to prevent him from making financial mistakes. Let's face it, there aren't too many 18-21 year olds who would do the right thing with their money by becoming an instant millionaire. Under my suggestion, I was trying to say if the kid signed for 3 million. He would get 50% in cash. The other 50% would be in a deferred comp plan (let's say 10 years) where he would be able to take 20% per year, after year 5.
Contract: 3 million per year for 3 years (9 million total)
Year 1: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Year 2: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Year 3: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Now let's just say the kid blows out his knee and never signs a contract again.
Year 4: Nothing
Year 5: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300K (plus any interest in the deferred comp)
Year 6: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k
Year 7: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million in deferred comp from year 3 = 300k (Total payout 900k)
year 8: Again... 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million in deferred comp from year 3 = 300k (Total payout 900k)
year 9: repeat of years 7 & 8
year 10: repeat of years 7, 8 & 9.
year 11: you get the idea....
In summary his cash payout would look like this:
Year 1: 1.5 million
Year 2: 1.5 million
Year 3: 1.5 million
Year 4: 0
Year 5: 300k
Year 6: 600k
Year 7: 900k
Year 8: 900k
Year 9: 900k
Year 10: 600k
Year 11: 300k
Year 12: nothing
Like I mentioned earlier this would assume he would blow out his knee in year 3/4 and wouldnt play a game of basketball ever again. It also assumes the kid didn't make any interest/gains from the money kept in the deferred comp plan. I think something like this would help the kids save their money until they grow up a bit and become more responsible. Additionally, under my scenario, if the kid did blow out his knee in year 3/4, he would (1) be older and hopefully more responsible (2) still have some money saved to live a good life afterwards for him and his family.
I think you're conflating vesting with distribution.
Vesting is the termology that is used (it is used in the industry when talking about restricted stock, employee stock options, 401k plans, etc). But it means the same thing as a distribution.
Not to belabor the point or bore anyone more than I already have, but if something needs to "vest", then you don't have the right to it, unless you meet continued service or other requirements. If something needs to vest, then it is subject to a risk of forfeiture (you need a substantial risk of forfeiture for restricted stock). So if you're suggesting that these amounts be subject to vesting conditions (rather than simply defer distribution), then you're saying that these kids should put money that they would have otherwise been entitled to today at risk.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:bnqiasQSqa6grM:http://blog.lib.umn.edu/snackeru/greet/images/vizzini.jpg)
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
I am not sure if I agree or disagree.
If you family is in a tough financial situation... chances are that they have been dealing with it for your whole life (18-19 years). Therefore, what is another 4 years while you get your education (for free)???
If your as good as everyone thinks you are... then in 4 years you will be educated and rich. Rather than uneducated and rich.... which will most uneducated kids just blow the money on cars, jewerly, etc.
On the other hand, he can always go back to school and pay for it himself if he takes the check now. But I only can name a few players who have done this.
And what if the kid blows his knee out? Waht if a family member of the kid, god forbid, is hurt or killed while still living in a rough neighborhood when the kid could've taken the money and gotten his family out of the situation? Very easy to downplay this stuff when people haven't walked a mile in those shoes.
I can understand that. Maybe the NBA can institute a policy that if the kid signs and takes a check... a lot of the money (something like 50%) is put into some type of deferred compensation plan. This way the kid cannot touch all of the money upfront and possibly blow it on unnecessary things.
For instance, if the kid makes 3 million in his first year, take 1.5 million and put it in a deferred compensation plan or some other type of plan that has a 5 to 10 year vesting schedule. The plan can have some kind of provision that if he is buying a house, he can take the proceeds. If not, he cant touch it. The other 1.5, he can take upfront to help his family out immediately.
I think this would help out kids who are too immature to manage such a huge amount of cash themselves... until they have grown up a bit.
Deferred compensation plans are now way too complicated under tax law. Couldn't withdraw money to buy a house without incurring an additional 20% tax. Also, why subject money that you could have today to risk of forfeiture? It's one thing to defer w/o adding any vesting conditions in order to delay income, but why would the kid want to add vesting conditions as well?
Q: Also, why subject money that you could have today to risk of forfeiture?
A: From my understanding, if invested prudently there wouldn't be a forfeiture.
Q: It's one thing to defer w/o adding any vesting conditions in order to delay income, but why would the kid want to add vesting conditions as well?
A: The kid wouldn't want to delay income or want a vesting schedule. But I think it would be in the best interest of the kid to prevent him from making financial mistakes. Let's face it, there aren't too many 18-21 year olds who would do the right thing with their money by becoming an instant millionaire. Under my suggestion, I was trying to say if the kid signed for 3 million. He would get 50% in cash. The other 50% would be in a deferred comp plan (let's say 10 years) where he would be able to take 20% per year, after year 5.
Contract: 3 million per year for 3 years (9 million total)
Year 1: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Year 2: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Year 3: 1.5 million cash (1.5 million in deferred comp; 20% vesting per year, starting in year 5)
Now let's just say the kid blows out his knee and never signs a contract again.
Year 4: Nothing
Year 5: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300K (plus any interest in the deferred comp)
Year 6: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k
Year 7: 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million in deferred comp from year 3 = 300k (Total payout 900k)
year 8: Again... 20% of the 1.5 million from year 1 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million from year 2 = 300k plus 20% of the 1.5 million in deferred comp from year 3 = 300k (Total payout 900k)
year 9: repeat of years 7 & 8
year 10: repeat of years 7, 8 & 9.
year 11: you get the idea....
In summary his cash payout would look like this:
Year 1: 1.5 million
Year 2: 1.5 million
Year 3: 1.5 million
Year 4: 0
Year 5: 300k
Year 6: 600k
Year 7: 900k
Year 8: 900k
Year 9: 900k
Year 10: 600k
Year 11: 300k
Year 12: nothing
Like I mentioned earlier this would assume he would blow out his knee in year 3/4 and wouldnt play a game of basketball ever again. It also assumes the kid didn't make any interest/gains from the money kept in the deferred comp plan. I think something like this would help the kids save their money until they grow up a bit and become more responsible. Additionally, under my scenario, if the kid did blow out his knee in year 3/4, he would (1) be older and hopefully more responsible (2) still have some money saved to live a good life afterwards for him and his family.
I think you're conflating vesting with distribution.
Vesting is the termology that is used (it is used in the industry when talking about restricted stock, employee stock options, 401k plans, etc). But it means the same thing as a distribution.
Not to belabor the point or bore anyone more than I already have, but if something needs to "vest", then you don't have the right to it, unless you meet continued service or other requirements. If something needs to vest, then it is subject to a risk of forfeiture (you need a substantial risk of forfeiture for restricted stock). So if you're suggesting that these amounts be subject to vesting conditions (rather than simply defer distribution), then you're saying that these kids should put money that they would have otherwise been entitled to today at risk.
You are right in the traditional terms of the word "vest". However, I meant it as a distribution.
My idea I was trying to communicate was give the kid the money. But don't give it to him all at once. Make it stretch out over a longer period in time.
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http://w3.nbebasketball.com/index.php/big-east-news-notes-1062008/
Also, St. John’s might not be the only Big East team involved with the mega-talented Lance Stephenson as Pittsburgh has entered the mix with Brandin Knight leading their efforts on the recruiting trail.
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http://w3.nbebasketball.com/index.php/big-east-news-notes-1062008/
Also, St. John’s might not be the only Big East team involved with the mega-talented Lance Stephenson as Pittsburgh has entered the mix with Brandin Knight leading their efforts on the recruiting trail.
Look up about 6 posts...this was posted. Come on Baldi!
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http://w3.nbebasketball.com/index.php/big-east-news-notes-1062008/
Also, St. John’s might not be the only Big East team involved with the mega-talented Lance Stephenson as Pittsburgh has entered the mix with Brandin Knight leading their efforts on the recruiting trail.
Look up about 6 posts...this was posted. Come on Baldi!
Baldi is on some painkillers at the moment, please come back later
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http://w3.nbebasketball.com/index.php/big-east-news-notes-1062008/
Also, St. John’s might not be the only Big East team involved with the mega-talented Lance Stephenson as Pittsburgh has entered the mix with Brandin Knight leading their efforts on the recruiting trail.
Look up about 6 posts...this was posted. Come on Baldi!
Baldi is on some painkillers at the moment, please come back later
I guess I am going to have to post a picture of Brandin Knight on the Off Topic board - "People Who You Wish Will Go Away" ;)
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/columns/story?columnist=williams_antonio&id=3635981
However, recent reports have begun to spread that these talented prospects will head to Europe instead of playing college basketball.
The two players most prone to Sonny Vaccaro
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I'd say more rumors have him to st johns than Europe. Take rumors for what they are worth...rumors.
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Honestly, if I was a high school All American, i would be on my way to Europe. College is fun, but when your family is in a tough financial situation like a lot of these guys' families are, it's very hard to turn down the money.
I am not sure if I agree or disagree.
If you family is in a tough financial situation... chances are that they have been dealing with it for your whole life (18-19 years). Therefore, what is another 4 years while you get your education (for free)???
If your as good as everyone thinks you are... then in 4 years you will be educated and rich. Rather than uneducated and rich.... which will most uneducated kids just blow the money on cars, jewerly, etc.
On the other hand, he can always go back to school and pay for it himself if he takes the check now. But I only can name a few players who have done this.
And what if the kid blows his knee out? Waht if a family member of the kid, god forbid, is hurt or killed while still living in a rough neighborhood when the kid could've taken the money and gotten his family out of the situation? Very easy to downplay this stuff when people haven't walked a mile in those shoes.
I can understand that. Maybe the NBA can institute a policy that if the kid signs and takes a check... a lot of the money (something like 50%) is put into some type of deferred compensation plan. This way the kid cannot touch all of the money upfront and possibly blow it on unnecessary things.
For instance, if the kid makes 3 million in his first year, take 1.5 million and put it in a deferred compensation plan or some other type of plan that has a 5 to 10 year vesting schedule. The plan can have some kind of provision that if he is buying a house, he can take the proceeds. If not, he cant touch it. The other 1.5, he can take upfront to help his family out immediately.
I think this would help out kids who are too immature to manage such a huge amount of cash themselves... until they have grown up a bit.
the only thing the nba wants to institute is what is in their OWN best interests.
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in today's Daily News:
Lincoln High School hoops phenom Lance Stephenson charged with school grope
BY DORIAN BLOCK
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Sunday, October 19th 2008, 1:25 AM
Noonan for News
Lance Stephenson
A highly recruited high school hoops star from Brooklyn was arrested earlier this month for sexually abusing a 17-year-old girl inside the school, police said.
Lance Stephenson, a 6-foot-5, 200-pound guard from Abraham Lincoln High School, the former school of NBA players Stephon Marbury and Sebastian Telfair, has been charged with a Class B misdemeanor.
the article goes on...
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oh boy here we go
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http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2008/10/18/2008-10-18_lincoln_high_school_hoops_phenom_lance_s.html
I'm not doubting the possibilities of it occouring but these are always terrible cases because its all about he said she said. Usually people go with what she said.
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im gonna wait to pass judgment until i hear the whole story but these young kids in the spotlight need to remember they have no shot at messing up and not having someone notice...they really need to be at another level in terms of maturity than the normal 17 yr old...now he may or may not have done this, or if he did do it, it may be in such a context that its just blown out of proportion, but the thing he needs to learn is that you can not put yourself in a position where something like this can happen...maybe its a blessing in disguise...maybe the bigger schools will back off now...they prob wont...i imagine somewhere down the line whoever picked him up would say hes just a kid, he learned a lesson, he deserves a shot...but press like this is not good for the school that eventually gets him
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this is very disappointing news. where there is smoke, there is fire.
he may not have grady'd the girl, but he sounds like a thug to me.
not the kind of person that norm is going to bring in here, or even be allowed to bring in here.
It never ceases to amaze me how kids with talent like that can have clue how to carry themselves.
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this is very disappointing news. where there is smoke, there is fire.
he may not have grady'd the girl, but he sounds like a thug to me.
not the kind of person that norm is going to bring in here, or even be allowed to bring in here.
It never ceases to amaze me how kids with talent like that can have clue how to carry themselves.
you're entitled to your opinion but maybe you havent noticed we are ranked nearly last to last in the league by everyone...if he wants to come here, you still dont want him here???
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the kid grabbed a girls ass...not smart...but lets not make him out to be a rapist.
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the kid grabbed a girls ass...not smart...but lets not make him out to be a rapist.
well we dont really know exactly what happened...thats why we shouldnt over analyze yet...im sure all you guys know how things that happen can get portrayed...the girl is gonna blow it outta proportion, then the media, most likely followed by 50% of the posters on this site
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the kid grabbed a girls ass...not smart...but lets not make him out to be a rapist.
If grabbing girls asses is wrong that I dont wanna be right
(http://www.arseniohall.com/images/toAmerica2.jpg)
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then I am a thug and rapist because I was grabbing ass and looking up skirts since kindergarden.
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this is very disappointing news. where there is smoke, there is fire.
he may not have grady'd the girl, but he sounds like a thug to me.
not the kind of person that norm is going to bring in here, or even be allowed to bring in here.
It never ceases to amaze me how kids with talent like that can have clue how to carry themselves.
you're entitled to your opinion but maybe you havent noticed we are ranked nearly last to last in the league by everyone...if he wants to come here, you still dont want him here???
I'm not sure. SJU needs to know more about this before they make a decision on him.
Kansas, Memphis and USC don't care who they take. We need to care right now.
Uconn wins with criminals. Do we want to do it the same way?
Maybe we do. I really don't know anymore. It seems nearly impossible to compete with teams like that
if we take this moral high road so seriously regarding every recruit.
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this is very disappointing news. where there is smoke, there is fire.
he may not have grady'd the girl, but he sounds like a thug to me.
not the kind of person that norm is going to bring in here, or even be allowed to bring in here.
It never ceases to amaze me how kids with talent like that can have clue how to carry themselves.
you're entitled to your opinion but maybe you havent noticed we are ranked nearly last to last in the league by everyone...if he wants to come here, you still dont want him here???
I'm not sure. SJU needs to know more about this before they make a decision on him.
Kansas, Memphis and USC don't care who they take. We need to care right now.
Uconn wins with criminals. Do we want to do it the same way?
Maybe we do. I really don't know anymore. It seems nearly impossible to compete with teams like that
if we take this moral high road so seriously regarding every recruit.
thats what i'm saying...we are building a basketball team, not a church choir...if the kid can come here and control himself, idc what he did in hs
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... but these young kids in the spotlight need to remember they have no shot at messing up and not having someone notice...they really need to be at another level in terms of maturity than the normal 17 yr old...now he may or may not have done this, or if he did do it, it may be in such a context that its just blown out of proportion, but the thing he needs to learn is that you can not put yourself in a position where something like this can happen...
Excellent post. Right or wrong, because of their talent and ability, these kids are held to a different standard that the rest of their class. They can never allow themselves to be put in a position like this. He's young and hopefully he will learn from this. I hear he's got a great family support system, and I hope his folks will help him to understand how to avoid these situations in the future.
It sucks, but it's part of the package when you have talent like him and want to play on the world biggest stage. It's almost like having a target on his back.
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... but these young kids in the spotlight need to remember they have no shot at messing up and not having someone notice...they really need to be at another level in terms of maturity than the normal 17 yr old...now he may or may not have done this, or if he did do it, it may be in such a context that its just blown out of proportion, but the thing he needs to learn is that you can not put yourself in a position where something like this can happen...
Excellent post. Right or wrong, because of their talent and ability, these kids are held to a different standard that the rest of their class. They can never allow themselves to be put in a position like this. He's young and hopefully he will learn from this. I hear he's got a great family support system, and I hope his folks will help him to understand how to avoid these situations in the future.
It sucks, but it's part of the package when you have talent like him and want to play on the world biggest stage. It's almost like having a target on his back.
this is very disappointing news. where there is smoke, there is fire.
he may not have grady'd the girl, but he sounds like a thug to me.
not the kind of person that norm is going to bring in here, or even be allowed to bring in here.
It never ceases to amaze me how kids with talent like that can have clue how to carry themselves.
you're entitled to your opinion but maybe you havent noticed we are ranked nearly last to last in the league by everyone...if he wants to come here, you still dont want him here???
I'm not sure. SJU needs to know more about this before they make a decision on him.
Kansas, Memphis and USC don't care who they take. We need to care right now.
Uconn wins with criminals. Do we want to do it the same way?
Maybe we do. I really don't know anymore. It seems nearly impossible to compete with teams like that
if we take this moral high road so seriously regarding every recruit.
thats what i'm saying...we are building a basketball team, not a church choir...if the kid can come here and control himself, idc what he did in hs
The then I am a thug and rapist because I was grabbing ass and looking up skirts since kindergarden.
If it was a joke, why they did they arrest him?
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I didn't say it was a joke I just said I would jvae been locked up also with my fast self
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Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
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I'll bring up a case here. At my job recently a female decided to give out invitations to all the females on staff to come to her house for this party. You know how women have pocketbook, candle, etc. parties to sell things. Well hers was a sex toy party.
So it was an office joke for a while and the party went on and I don't think anyone attended. So the next week I asked her how the "sex party" was.
She went to my boss and complained that I sexually harassed her.
There was a big to do and I got questioned about everything I said to her and I was really taken back by everything because I felt I did nothing wrong. I didn't go into any further detail about anything and our conversation was very brief and friendly. I said I apologized if asking her was inappropriate.
So I was pretty upset my character was being called into question especially by this person who I wouldn't exactly call a classy woman. She started saying I said more and more stuff about her and to her and I started getting scared because how do I defend myself in this situation?
So for some reason I checked her facebook and actually caught her writing on someone else's wall(page) about making all this stuff up about me because she simply didn't like me since I got a promotion. I printed it out and delivered to my boss and that was the end of things. I don't talk to the female anymore or even around her. In fact no one at work has talked to her so it kind of sucks for her.
I also looked up some legality on things because of slander and defamation but according to some workers union there is no retaliation for acquisitions of sexual harassment because they don't want to discourage people from coming forward. Its pretty bogus in my opinion.
So lets reserve judgement. I don't condone unwanted advances by touching/groping but perhaps it wasn't unwanted. Its like a girl who says don't look at my breasts but has a low cut shirt on with glitter all over her boobs. Its not fair.
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thats bs JJ, glad you caught her...and it is unfortunate that the girls word always goes, no matter who they are or who they are accusing
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thats bs JJ, glad you caught her...and it is unfortunate that the girls word always goes, no matter who they are or who they are accusing
Yea it was terrible for about a day but I got lucky and had proof she was lying. Most times this isn't the case and who knows what happened. Like I said before I'm not condoning the behavior but who knows what the case is. Remember he is still a kid and has a lot of future ahead of him.
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exactly
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Two things:
1) JJ, your co-worker should have been fired.
2) Didn't Lance also throw one of his teammates through a table (or something to that effect) during a fight last season? I think the kid is a major tool and a spoiled f'ing brat. He thinks he can get away with whatever the hell he wants because he's Lance Stephenson. Give both a polygraph, and make the liar pay for the cost. If Lance is the liar, his scholarship offers (all of them) should be pulled. He can have fun playing in Europe. Play in Italy and he'll fit right in with all the ass grabbers.
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Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
If it was my daughter and her ass was grabbed a ass whopping would have been delivered. And it would not have taken 3 days to be handled. The day it happened lance would have gotten handled. But I don't have a daughter I have a boy
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Lance’s Attorney Denies Groping Charge
Posted on Oct 20, 2008 9:37 am
The attorney for Lance Stephenson denies that his client groped a female student at Lincoln High School in Brooklyn earlier this month.
“He did absolutely nothing wrong,†Alberto Ebanks, Stephenson’s lawyer, told The Daily News. “He categorically denies these allegations.â€
The News reported on Sunday that Stephenson, a 6-foot-5, 200-pound guard considering among the best players in the nation, had been arrested for groping a 17-year-old girl’s breasts and buttocks through her clothes at the high school Oct. 3. Police say the incident occurred on school grounds, but school officials say it happened at a bus stop near the school.
“Where is the proof?†Ebanks said. “There’s not one independent witness that will verify this. … At 2:50 on or near school grounds, someone has to see this happen.â€
The woman reported the incident to the police three days after it happened, saying she punched and kicked Stephenson to resist.
Stephenson was charged with a Class B misdemeanor and Ebanks said Stephenson turned himself in to police last Friday and was released on his own recognizance after appearing in court Saturday.
“I’ve seen this young man grow up, known him for a long time, and I think he’s incapable of committing this kind of offense,†Ebanks told the News, adding that the hoops star “has great respect for women.â€
Despite the incident, Stephenson played in the is8 playoffs over the weekend in Queens, scoring 30 points in a semifinal victory over New Heights and 22 in the championship game loss to the Playaz Seniors.
Stephenson is being recruited by St. John’s, Kansas, Memphis, USC and UCLA. He took an unofficial visit to St. John’s earlier this month and St. John’s head coach Norm Roberts had an in-home visit with the Stephenson family prior to that.
Stephenson also considered visiting Kansas this past weekend for its Midnight Madness event but stayed home to play in is8.
Stephenson’s father, Lance Sr., declined comment to the News on Sunday at is8.
“I’m not talking to anybody,†the paper quoted him as saying.
“The family’s eager to put this entire debacle behind them,†said Ebanks.
(Photo courtesy Daily News)
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Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
If it was my daughter and her ass was grabbed a ass whopping would have been delivered. And it would not have taken 3 days to be handled. The day it happened lance would have gotten handled. But I don't have a daughter I have a boy
I think kob has a great point here. If this really went down, what took her 3 days to come forward with the accusations?
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Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
If it was my daughter and her ass was grabbed a ass whopping would have been delivered. And it would not have taken 3 days to be handled. The day it happened lance would have gotten handled. But I don't have a daughter I have a boy
I think kob has a great point here. If this really went down, what took her 3 days to come forward with the accusations?
Sounds like a scam that Calipari would run. Pay some girl to accuse Stephenson of this so schools like St Johns back off on the recruiting of this kid.
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Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
If it was my daughter and her ass was grabbed a ass whopping would have been delivered. And it would not have taken 3 days to be handled. The day it happened lance would have gotten handled. But I don't have a daughter I have a boy
I think kob has a great point here. If this really went down, what took her 3 days to come forward with the accusations?
Sounds like a scam that Calipari would run. Pay some girl to accuse Stephenson of this so schools like St Johns back off on the recruiting of this kid.
how far fetched is that? almost as far fetched is stephenson coming here a few years after FH railed on about the "culture" of the basketball team. he may be completely innocent, but unless this completely blows over, FH will put the word out that this kid is toxic.
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Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
If it was my daughter and her ass was grabbed a ass whopping would have been delivered. And it would not have taken 3 days to be handled. The day it happened lance would have gotten handled. But I don't have a daughter I have a boy
I take it you're not a teacher?
Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
If it was my daughter and her ass was grabbed a ass whopping would have been delivered. And it would not have taken 3 days to be handled. The day it happened lance would have gotten handled. But I don't have a daughter I have a boy
Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
If it was my daughter and her ass was grabbed a ass whopping would have been delivered. And it would not have taken 3 days to be handled. The day it happened lance would have gotten handled. But I don't have a daughter I have a boy
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Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
If it was my daughter and her ass was grabbed a ass whopping would have been delivered. And it would not have taken 3 days to be handled. The day it happened lance would have gotten handled. But I don't have a daughter I have a boy
I think kob has a great point here. If this really went down, what took her 3 days to come forward with the accusations?
Do you really think that's a great point? It could mean nothing more than the girl was scared.
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Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
If it was my daughter and her ass was grabbed a ass whopping would have been delivered. And it would not have taken 3 days to be handled. The day it happened lance would have gotten handled. But I don't have a daughter I have a boy
I think kob has a great point here. If this really went down, what took her 3 days to come forward with the accusations?
Do you really think that's a great point? It could mean nothing more than the girl was scared.
Scared of what? shes from Brooklyn
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http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/10/22/lance-could-face-disciplinary-action-from-school/#more-5449
Lance Stephenson could face disciplinary action from Lincoln High School as a result of his recent arrest.
The 6-foot-5, 200-pound Stephenson was arrested earlier this month and charged with a Class B misdemeanor for allegedly groping a 17-year-old girl on school grounds.
“Disciplinary action is pending the police investigation,†Margie Feinberg, a Department of Education spokesman, said Tuesday by phone. “We are working with the police. There is no timeframe.â€
Stephenson denied the charges through his attorney, Alberto Ebanks.
“Where is the proof?†Ebanks told The Daily News. “There’s not one independent witness that will verify this. … At 2:50 on or near school grounds, someone has to see this happen.â€
Stephenson is being recruited by St. John’s, Kansas, Memphis, USC and UCLA but he has yet to take an official visit. A student-athlete must have a test score, PSAT, SAT or ACT, to take an official visit. Stephenson took an unofficial visit to St. John’s last month for its Midnight Madness event.
Several Big East coaches said they think he will attempt to play professionally overseas next season, a la Brandon Jennings, instead of going to college.
“I think he’s going to try it,†one Big East assistant coach said.
One Big East head coach reiterated that sentiment during Wednesday’s Big East Media Day, saying he thought Stephenson would head to Italy or somewhere in Europe.
Stephenson has previously said he was keeping an eye on Jennings, but also reiterated that he wanted to go to college. Jennings is earning $1.2 million this year in Italy, and Stephenson could potentially earn similar money.
“I think I want the education so I think I would go to college,†Stephenson said. “I’m looking at Brandon right now, see how he’s doing. If he goes there, then I’ll see how it is. If I do it, then I’ll do it, but right now I’m thinking about college.â€
Former sneaker guru Sonny Vaccaro said he has heard from the parents of about a dozen prep players interested in learning more about Jennings’ decision.
“I’ve talked to more parents in the last three months regarding their son’s future than I ever have,†Vaccaro said. “There’s a lot of interest. And they’re not all seniors. They’re not all like Lance or Renardo [Sidney]. There are some parents of sophomores in this year’s class. They’re just getting information. One parent’s concern was, ‘How can anybody with an intelligent mind not look at the options in the economic world we live in today?’â€
Stephenson has led Lincoln to three straight PSAL championships and says he is focused on winning a fourth and becoming more of a team player before worrying about college visits and choices.
“Right now, I’m just worrying about basketball and at the end I’ll do all that college stuff,†he said this summer. “I’m going to do my high school season and after that I look forward to telling everybody what school I should go to.â€
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I really hate when quotes are formed from unnamed Big East assistants. Especially on this topic when no Big East school's besides St. John's is after Lance. Even though I agree he is probably headed overseas why are they even commenting on it especially to media. Coaches aren't supposed to talk to media about recruits, which is why the guy is unnamed.
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Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
But I don't have a daughter I have a boy
And just like his dad the boy has been grabbing @ss since his 1st day in the nursery. :)
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Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
But I don't have a daughter I have a boy
And just like his dad the boy has been grabbing @ss since his 1st day in the nursery. :)
I heard his crib in the hospital was in between two baby girls......pimp
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I'll bring up a case here. At my job recently a female decided to give out invitations to all the females on staff to come to her house for this party. You know how women have pocketbook, candle, etc. parties to sell things. Well hers was a sex toy party.
So it was an office joke for a while and the party went on and I don't think anyone attended. So the next week I asked her how the "sex party" was.
She went to my boss and complained that I sexually harassed her.
There was a big to do and I got questioned about everything I said to her and I was really taken back by everything because I felt I did nothing wrong. I didn't go into any further detail about anything and our conversation was very brief and friendly. I said I apologized if asking her was inappropriate.
So I was pretty upset my character was being called into question especially by this person who I wouldn't exactly call a classy woman. She started saying I said more and more stuff about her and to her and I started getting scared because how do I defend myself in this situation?
So for some reason I checked her facebook and actually caught her writing on someone else's wall(page) about making all this stuff up about me because she simply didn't like me since I got a promotion. I printed it out and delivered to my boss and that was the end of things. I don't talk to the female anymore or even around her. In fact no one at work has talked to her so it kind of sucks for her.
I also looked up some legality on things because of slander and defamation but according to some workers union there is no retaliation for acquisitions of sexual harassment because they don't want to discourage people from coming forward. Its pretty bogus in my opinion.
So lets reserve judgement. I don't condone unwanted advances by touching/groping but perhaps it wasn't unwanted. Its like a girl who says don't look at my breasts but has a low cut shirt on with glitter all over her boobs. Its not fair.
I honestly dont know how the girl couldnt have been fired when you got the evidence.
You have to be very careful of what you say though in the workplace. My office was the center of a big sexual harrassment suit that was all over the news.
Luckily it didnt involve me and most of it was BS but you have to be very careful even when out of the office. I know someone who got suspended for 2 weeks for an innocent comment that was made at a bar.
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Well if some guy grabbed your daughters' ass i'm sure you would be fine with that, it's all a joke.
But I don't have a daughter I have a boy
And just like his dad the boy has been grabbing @ss since his 1st day in the nursery. :)
I heard his crib in the hospital was in between two baby girls......pimp
Yeah and he had nurses breastfeeding him. KOB tried to get some of that also I heard. LOL
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I'll bring up a case here. At my job recently a female decided to give out invitations to all the females on staff to come to her house for this party. You know how women have pocketbook, candle, etc. parties to sell things. Well hers was a sex toy party.
So it was an office joke for a while and the party went on and I don't think anyone attended. So the next week I asked her how the "sex party" was.
She went to my boss and complained that I sexually harassed her.
There was a big to do and I got questioned about everything I said to her and I was really taken back by everything because I felt I did nothing wrong. I didn't go into any further detail about anything and our conversation was very brief and friendly. I said I apologized if asking her was inappropriate.
So I was pretty upset my character was being called into question especially by this person who I wouldn't exactly call a classy woman. She started saying I said more and more stuff about her and to her and I started getting scared because how do I defend myself in this situation?
So for some reason I checked her facebook and actually caught her writing on someone else's wall(page) about making all this stuff up about me because she simply didn't like me since I got a promotion. I printed it out and delivered to my boss and that was the end of things. I don't talk to the female anymore or even around her. In fact no one at work has talked to her so it kind of sucks for her.
I also looked up some legality on things because of slander and defamation but according to some workers union there is no retaliation for acquisitions of sexual harassment because they don't want to discourage people from coming forward. Its pretty bogus in my opinion.
So lets reserve judgement. I don't condone unwanted advances by touching/groping but perhaps it wasn't unwanted. Its like a girl who says don't look at my breasts but has a low cut shirt on with glitter all over her boobs. Its not fair.
I honestly dont know how the girl couldnt have been fired when you got the evidence.
You have to be very careful of what you say though in the workplace. My office was the center of a big sexual harrassment suit that was all over the news.
Luckily it didnt involve me and most of it was BS but you have to be very careful even when out of the office. I know someone who got suspended for 2 weeks for an innocent comment that was made at a bar.
She got a written warning next thing she does wrong she is fired. Personally I would have fired her a long time ago and definitely after this as well but whatever. Everything is in the past.
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Boss has to be careful about a wrongful termination lawsuit also. Even if its frivolous, it could take years and many $$$ to defend. Sometimes a boss wants to build a strong enough case before he fires an employee.
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Lance Stephenson, the marquee player for the Boros, did not show up for the game.
http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/10/27/hofstras-williams-lifts-boros-in-metro-classic/#more-5830
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That's pretty responsible of him. He's just the type of fine young man I'd want on my team.
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That's pretty responsible of him. He's just the type of fine young man I'd want on my team.
Pretty harsh. Is he under contract getting paid to play in these games? Last time I checked he is a kid.
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That's pretty responsible of him. He's just the type of fine young man I'd want on my team.
Pretty harsh. Is he under contract getting paid to play in these games? Last time I checked he is a kid.
It is probably harsh because I don't even know if he said he'd play, but if he gave his word he should have showed. If he even offers an excuse, you can bet it'll be a lame one.
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That's pretty responsible of him. He's just the type of fine young man I'd want on my team.
Pretty harsh. Is he under contract getting paid to play in these games? Last time I checked he is a kid.
It is probably harsh because I don't even know if he said he'd play, but if he gave his word he should have showed. If he even offers an excuse, you can bet it'll be a lame one.
Maybe he had a test in school he was studying for the next day ;D
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That's pretty responsible of him. He's just the type of fine young man I'd want on my team.
Pretty harsh. Is he under contract getting paid to play in these games? Last time I checked he is a kid.
It is probably harsh because I don't even know if he said he'd play, but if he gave his word he should have showed. If he even offers an excuse, you can bet it'll be a lame one.
Most of his remaining defenders live in the NY area.
There is a reason why a kid with that much talent doesn't get recruited by all of the big schools. Maybe the sexual accusation will shoo away even the Caliparis and Selfs of the world. If he ever blows out his knee, he'll be as forgetable as former St. John's recruit and one time top 5 talent Lenny Cooke. For a bottom of the Big East program like ours, he's worth the trouble for nine months.
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Most of his remaining defenders live in the NY area.
There is a reason why a kid with that much talent doesn't get recruited by all of the big schools. Maybe the sexual accusation will shoo away even the Caliparis and Selfs of the world. If he ever blows out his knee, he'll be as forgetable as former St. John's recruit and one time top 5 talent Lenny Cooke. For a bottom of the Big East program like ours, he's worth the trouble for nine months.
You couldn't have summed this up any better.
But given the choice, I'd prefer that Miller split for Arizona, leaving Parrom to decommit and come here.
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That's pretty responsible of him. He's just the type of fine young man I'd want on my team.
Pretty harsh. Is he under contract getting paid to play in these games? Last time I checked he is a kid.
It is probably harsh because I don't even know if he said he'd play, but if he gave his word he should have showed. If he even offers an excuse, you can bet it'll be a lame one.
Most of his remaining defenders live in the NY area.
There is a reason why a kid with that much talent doesn't get recruited by all of the big schools. Maybe the sexual accusation will shoo away even the Caliparis and Selfs of the world. If he ever blows out his knee, he'll be as forgetable as former St. John's recruit and one time top 5 talent Lenny Cooke. For a bottom of the Big East program like ours, he's worth the trouble for nine months.
Are you nuts? Shoo away the Caliparis of the world? Caliparis top recruit drove the getaway car in a drive by murder. Some kid playing grabass would be an altar boy on that Memphis team
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That's pretty responsible of him. He's just the type of fine young man I'd want on my team.
Pretty harsh. Is he under contract getting paid to play in these games? Last time I checked he is a kid.
It is probably harsh because I don't even know if he said he'd play, but if he gave his word he should have showed. If he even offers an excuse, you can bet it'll be a lame one.
Most of his remaining defenders live in the NY area.
There is a reason why a kid with that much talent doesn't get recruited by all of the big schools. Maybe the sexual accusation will shoo away even the Caliparis and Selfs of the world. If he ever blows out his knee, he'll be as forgetable as former St. John's recruit and one time top 5 talent Lenny Cooke. For a bottom of the Big East program like ours, he's worth the trouble for nine months.
Are you nuts? Shoo away the Caliparis of the world? Caliparis top recruit drove the getaway car in a drive by murder. Some kid playing grabass would be an altar boy on that Memphis team
that is just not true and flat out lie...
do you really think he would be at Memphis if it were true...
keep spinning though
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Would be shocked if Lance didn't end up in Europe next year.
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Are you nuts? Shoo away the Caliparis of the world? Caliparis top recruit drove the getaway car in a drive by murder. Some kid playing grabass would be an altar boy on that Memphis team
haha...good point Marco. Whatever happened with that? Memphis booster pay off the DA? ;)
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Would be shocked if Lance didn't end up in Europe next year.
Renardo Sidney is another likely one.
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That's pretty responsible of him. He's just the type of fine young man I'd want on my team.
Pretty harsh. Is he under contract getting paid to play in these games? Last time I checked he is a kid.
It is probably harsh because I don't even know if he said he'd play, but if he gave his word he should have showed. If he even offers an excuse, you can bet it'll be a lame one.
Most of his remaining defenders live in the NY area.
There is a reason why a kid with that much talent doesn't get recruited by all of the big schools. Maybe the sexual accusation will shoo away even the Caliparis and Selfs of the world. If he ever blows out his knee, he'll be as forgetable as former St. John's recruit and one time top 5 talent Lenny Cooke. For a bottom of the Big East program like ours, he's worth the trouble for nine months.
Are you nuts? Shoo away the Caliparis of the world? Caliparis top recruit drove the getaway car in a drive by murder. Some kid playing grabass would be an altar boy on that Memphis team
that is just not true and flat out lie...
do you really think he would be at Memphis if it were true...
keep spinning though
How do you know this not true and a flat out lie? Were you in the car? Do you have any info to back this up?
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That's pretty responsible of him. He's just the type of fine young man I'd want on my team.
Pretty harsh. Is he under contract getting paid to play in these games? Last time I checked he is a kid.
It is probably harsh because I don't even know if he said he'd play, but if he gave his word he should have showed. If he even offers an excuse, you can bet it'll be a lame one.
Most of his remaining defenders live in the NY area.
There is a reason why a kid with that much talent doesn't get recruited by all of the big schools. Maybe the sexual accusation will shoo away even the Caliparis and Selfs of the world. If he ever blows out his knee, he'll be as forgetable as former St. John's recruit and one time top 5 talent Lenny Cooke. For a bottom of the Big East program like ours, he's worth the trouble for nine months.
Are you nuts? Shoo away the Caliparis of the world? Caliparis top recruit drove the getaway car in a drive by murder. Some kid playing grabass would be an altar boy on that Memphis team
that is just not true and flat out lie...
do you really think he would be at Memphis if it were true...
keep spinning though
How do you know this not true and a flat out lie? Were you in the car? Do you have any info to back this up?
LOL
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That's pretty responsible of him. He's just the type of fine young man I'd want on my team.
Pretty harsh. Is he under contract getting paid to play in these games? Last time I checked he is a kid.
It is probably harsh because I don't even know if he said he'd play, but if he gave his word he should have showed. If he even offers an excuse, you can bet it'll be a lame one.
Most of his remaining defenders live in the NY area.
There is a reason why a kid with that much talent doesn't get recruited by all of the big schools. Maybe the sexual accusation will shoo away even the Caliparis and Selfs of the world. If he ever blows out his knee, he'll be as forgetable as former St. John's recruit and one time top 5 talent Lenny Cooke. For a bottom of the Big East program like ours, he's worth the trouble for nine months.
Are you nuts? Shoo away the Caliparis of the world? Caliparis top recruit drove the getaway car in a drive by murder. Some kid playing grabass would be an altar boy on that Memphis team
that is just not true and flat out lie...
do you really think he would be at Memphis if it were true...
keep spinning though
How do you know this not true and a flat out lie? Were you in the car? Do you have any info to back this up?
Well the police have arrested his cousin and Evans was never charged... if you were going to an inflamatory statement like that give all of the information not just put the part you wanted in there to get a reaction or "stir the pot"
If the police remotely thought the kid had any clue as to what was going or was involved he he would have been charged as accessory to murder with out missing a beat... the kid fully cooperated with authoities after the crime...
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That's pretty responsible of him. He's just the type of fine young man I'd want on my team.
Pretty harsh. Is he under contract getting paid to play in these games? Last time I checked he is a kid.
It is probably harsh because I don't even know if he said he'd play, but if he gave his word he should have showed. If he even offers an excuse, you can bet it'll be a lame one.
Most of his remaining defenders live in the NY area.
There is a reason why a kid with that much talent doesn't get recruited by all of the big schools. Maybe the sexual accusation will shoo away even the Caliparis and Selfs of the world. If he ever blows out his knee, he'll be as forgetable as former St. John's recruit and one time top 5 talent Lenny Cooke. For a bottom of the Big East program like ours, he's worth the trouble for nine months.
Are you nuts? Shoo away the Caliparis of the world? Caliparis top recruit drove the getaway car in a drive by murder. Some kid playing grabass would be an altar boy on that Memphis team
that is just not true and flat out lie...
do you really think he would be at Memphis if it were true...
keep spinning though
How do you know this not true and a flat out lie? Were you in the car? Do you have any info to back this up?
Well the police have arrested his cousin and Evans was never charged... if you were going to an inflamatory statement like that give all of the information not just put the part you wanted in there to get a reaction or "stir the pot"
If the police remotely thought the kid had any clue as to what was going or was involved he he would have been charged as accessory to murder with out missing a beat... the kid fully cooperated with authoities after the crime...
Evans was driving the gold Ford Expedition(probably paid for by William Wesley). Bulletsd come flying out of his car and anotherthug is dead from those bullets. He drives away and admits to the story only after getting caught. Sounds like a great kid to make excusesfor PMG
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Evans was driving the gold Ford Expedition(probably paid for by William Wesley). Bulletsd come flying out of his car and anotherthug is dead from those bullets. He drives away and admits to the story only after getting caught. Sounds like a great kid to make excusesfor PMG
you really can twist anything you want. .
you said he was the get away driver... that would mean he knew what was going on and involved in it. . do you really think the police would let a muder accomplice off the hook if they were not confident he was uninvolved...
you hate Memphis.. you hate Calipari and take shots at him and their program at every chance you get get.... right, wrong or just to "stir it up"
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Evans was driving the gold Ford Expedition(probably paid for by William Wesley). Bulletsd come flying out of his car and anotherthug is dead from those bullets. He drives away and admits to the story only after getting caught. Sounds like a great kid to make excusesfor PMG
you really can twist anything you want. .
you said he was the get away driver... that would mean he knew what was going on and involved in it. . do you really think the police would let a muder accomplice off the hook if they were not confident he was uninvolved...
you hate Memphis.. you hate Calipari and take shots at him and their program at every chance you get get.... right, wrong or just to "stir it up"
I suppose you think OJ was innocent as well? Caliparis teams are always laoded with thugs, when they leave he reloads just like his players do with their artillery.
Inciting riots? Beating women? Throwing punches at opposing fans? Driving get away cars? Thats what his players do, and they do it well.
You hate Norm and take shots at this program every chance you get, which is fine but maybe you could back some of the kids who play for St Johns once in a while
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You hate Norm and take shots at this program every chance you get, which is fine but maybe you could back some of the kids who play for St Johns once in a while
I have more then earned the right to take shots at the St. John's program and the horrendous job of the current staff... I have a lot of time and money invested in supporting the program...
I am 14 years season ticket holder... have give my money to the school to support the basketball program... I attend every game I am able to get to...
You on the other hand claim to be a fan of the program and are a huge fan of Norm Roberts...... have you been to 5 games in the last 2 years..? Did you even attend a single game last season..?
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pmg, are you a premium or storm saver season ticket holder.....what is the difference in seating?
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You hate Norm and take shots at this program every chance you get, which is fine but maybe you could back some of the kids who play for St Johns once in a while
I have more then earned the right to take shots at the St. John's program and the horrendous job of the current staff... I have a lot of time and money invested in supporting the program...
I am 14 years season ticket holder... have give my money to the school to support the basketball program... I attend every game I am able to get to...
You on the other hand claim to be a fan of the program and are a huge fan of Norm Roberts...... have you been to 5 games in the last 2 years..? Did you even attend a single game last season..?
So who is the dope here, me or you? You giving money to the school and program that you bash constantly but yet still contribute. If you are so unhappy with the product,Norm and the program, dont donate, dont go to games. I stopped going consistently to games during the Jarvis regime. Ive been recovering ever since. But hey,keep donating and paying Norms salary.Youre right though, you do pay alot so you can complain all you want
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pmg, are you a premium or storm saver season ticket holder.....what is the difference in seating?
To be perfectly honest.. I have never hear either term before... I get my invoice and send in the check...
If I had to guess... I would say premium because I am not getting any type of "savings"
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Marco I have beeen to games and spoke with pmg he likes the kids just can't stand the coaching staff
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i'm not usually big on this, but let's try to keep this about lance. i see new posts on this thread, and i expect stuff on lance, not about baldi stirring the pot like usual.
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i'm not usually big on this, but let's try to keep this about lance. i see new posts on this thread, and i expect stuff on lance, not about baldi stirring the pot like usual.
good point randomhero although somehow all this banter kind of relates to Lance lets get it back on topic.
A question to the board: What do you think are chances are of landing Lance?
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i'm not usually big on this, but let's try to keep this about lance. i see new posts on this thread, and i expect stuff on lance, not about baldi stirring the pot like usual.
good point randomhero although somehow all this banter kind of relates to Lance lets get it back on topic.
A question to the board: What do you think are chances are of landing Lance?
prob 20%, no more
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I think the chances of Lance committing to St. John's are above 60% but the chances of him ever playing a game for them are about 20%.
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I think the chances of Lance committing to St. John's are above 60% but the chances of him ever playing a game for them are about 20%.
Agreed.
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I think the chances of Lance committing to St. John's are above 60% but the chances of him ever playing a game for them are about 20%.
I say zero chance of both. Hes not signing at SJU and will got to Europe with Stephen Baldwin. But Im usually wrong.
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No Steph-Lance Backcourt at Lincoln After All
Posted on Nov 8, 2008 1:01 am
For a brief moment there, it appeared basketball fans might see two legendary Lincoln High School players from different generations pair up in the backcourt.
Stephon Marbury and Lance Stephenson — “Starbury and “Born Ready” — together for the first time? At least for a quick minute in practice.
Seriously, Marbury said he might go back and practice with his old high school team in Brooklyn, the one he led to the 1995 city championship, now that he’s been declared inactive by the Knicks.
But that delicious scenario dried up Friday when the Players’ Association advised Marbury against running with the Railsplitters.
“They didn’t think it was a good idea,” Marbury told Frank Isola of hte Daily New during Friday’s shoot-around in Washington. “I’ll probably go to the practice and just watch.”
Isola joked that perhaps Steph just couldn’t fit under Lincoln’s salary cap.
But for a few, bright shining hours, hoops fans could fantasize about a potential practice backcourt of Marbury at point and the 6-foot-5 Stephenson as the off guard. Lance is one of the top players in the nation in the Class of 2009 and has guided Lincoln to three straight PSAL titles. He seeks a fourth in his senior year.
“I think I’m going to start practicing with my high school team,” Marbury told Isola Thursday. “Seriously. I’ve already called the coach to see if I can run up and down with the guys and at the same time help teach the younger guys the NBA game.”
Even Lincoln coach Dwayne “Tiny” Morton endorsed the idea.
“If he does I’d be excited about it and I know the kids would be delighted,” Morton told Isola. “I know he’s thinking about it.”
Many expect that Stephenson will play that NBA game beginning in 2010 — after a year of college.
At this point. Stephenson could end up spending a year at St. John’s before potentially going pro. He visited the Queens campus for its Midnight Madness event and St. John’s coach Norm Roberts has had an in-home visit with the Stephensons.
Kansas, Memphis and USC are also involved, but St. John’s is hoping Lance will fall into their lap in the spring and light up the Garden for a year.
Of course, Stephenson could also opt to go to Europe a la Brandon Jennings. A number of top prep stars are waiting until the April signing period to commit — Stephenson, Xavier Henry, Dominic Cheek of St. Anthony in Jersey City and John Wall of Raleigh (N.C) Word of God.
During that time, they will be able to gauge whether Jennings helped his stock in the 2009 NBA Draft by signing a three-year deal starting at $1.2 million to play in Italy.
Former sneaker guru Sonny Vaccaro said he’s heard from the parents of a number of high school players interested in exploring their options in Europe.
Too bad that Steph can’t pair up with Stephenson. Lance and his teammates, including Maryland commit James Padgett, probably could have beneftted from practicing with Starbury.
And why not? He’s not getting any run from Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni despite his $21.9 million salary, yet he won’t accept a buyout for a penny less.
So the backcourt made in fantasy heaven — Starbury and Born Ready — must sit on the sidelines for now.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/11/08/no-steph-lance-backcourt-at-lincoln-after-all/
I got this off of Zagsblog.... Thats a pretty bold statement, do you think there is anything behind it?
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what a tease
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/11/18/xavier-henry-to-memphis/#more-7190
Xavier Henry going to Memphis.
"With Henry going to Memphis, look for the Jayhawks to step up pursuit of Cheek and possibly Lance Stephenson of Brooklyn Lincoln."
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/11/18/xavier-henry-to-memphis/#more-7190
Xavier Henry going to Memphis.
"With Henry going to Memphis, look for the Jayhawks to step up pursuit of Cheek and possibly Lance Stephenson of Brooklyn Lincoln."
C'mon Self..throw Norm a bone.
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Remember Stephenson skipped out on his Kansas visit a month or so ago for an IS8 game. He wanted to win in NY, keep his legacy in NY, in front of his people in NY, is anyone catching on to my point?
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Remember Stephenson skipped out on his Kansas visit a month or so ago for an IS8 game. He wanted to win in NY, keep his legacy in NY, in front of his people in NY, is anyone catching on to my point?
he'll goto USC?
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Would be shocked if he doesn't end up in Europe.
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Would be shocked if he doesn't end up in Europe.
Is that because you don't think he has the grades to qualify or he will just exploit the oppurtunity to get paid a year early?
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Would be shocked if he doesn't end up in Europe.
i think in that case we need to root against brandon jennings
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http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=43501&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d43501
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18 year old kids running to europe...i bet stern is rethinking that age rule now
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18 year old kids running to europe...i bet stern is rethinking that age rule now
Yeah, he might make it 19. These kids will develop more skills in Europe full time than as part-time college players and if they're good enough they'll come back to the NBA playing at a higher level thereby improving the pro game. I know re the pros leaving for Europe the Josh Childress defection has hurt ticket sales all around the country but that's a price you pay. ;D
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/11/18/xavier-henry-to-memphis/#more-7190
Xavier Henry going to Memphis.
"With Henry going to Memphis, look for the Jayhawks to step up pursuit of Cheek and possibly Lance Stephenson of Brooklyn Lincoln."
C'mon Self..throw Norm a bone.
LOL. Don't just throw NR a bone... throw one with some meat on it!!!
Seriously.... if we get Lance with the addition of Lawerance and Hardy with our Sophmores... we will be a dangerous team.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ABtNdwEAU&feature=related
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sign him Norm!!!!!!!!
Glad to hear SJU was the first school he mentioned. Kid loves the Garden.
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if we win this year, this is a slam dunk
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Anyone know if he's even taken the SAT?
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Tiny should be fired if he hasn't.
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Lance, you said it yourself. Bring the legacy back to New York.
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Tiny should be fired if he hasn't.
Guys.. Tiny only cares about Tiny and where his next pay check is going to come from...
The day Lance leaves Lincoln and Tiny doesn't make any money off of him is the day he stops caring about the kid...
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Jerry Meyer from Rivals rips into Lance in his mailbag:
Who do you think will be the better college player: Lance Stephenson or Xavier Henry?
-- Tim from Oakland
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Lance Stephenson has developed a reputation for struggling to fit into a team concept.
Stephenson is an exceptional physical talent, but the odds are much better that Henry excels as a college player than Stephenson. Henry is a great physical talent as well, but also has the complete package as far as intangibles and coachability. The same just can't be said for Stephenson, who has a reputation for erratic behavior and an inability to fit into a team concept.
One glaring example of Stephenson's struggles is when he was cut for the USA 18-under national team this summer by Davidson coach Bob McKillop. Stephenson was clearly the most physically gifted player trying out for the team, but the nature of his game and his attitude just wouldn't mesh with McKillop's system. Stephenson's necessity to over dribble and dominate the ball killed any offensive flow, and his attitude alienated himself from his teammates.
Stephenson's game is best suited for a situation where he can dominate the action playing with players who are significantly less talented than him. His high school team is of this nature, and a travel team was created last summer around Stephenson.
Henry on the other hand, played for a travel team with three other high major prospects and fit in well with them while still putting up big numbers. At Memphis, Henry will also put up big numbers while playing within the system and fitting in with his teammates.
If Stephenson played for a struggling program like St. John's next year, he will likely be given free reign and will put up huge numbers - but most likely in a losing cause. The other probable scenario for Stephenson is that he finds a European team that will take a chance on him, and then we will never know the answer to this question.
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well henry and stephenson will face off on ESPN, so we'll see.
I do think that is a little harsh on Lance. Lance does care about winning, I don't think he just plays to put up stats, which is being inferred in that piece. I also do believe Lance makes the players around him better, rather that's a "accident" or not is another story...
Lance with Burrell, Kennedy, Boothe, Evans, Horne, Omari and maybe even an improved Rob Thomas (?) can be an NCAA team.... For that to happen though, we will need a good coach...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ABtNdwEAU&feature=related
I guess we can take UCLA out of the picture! ;)
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don’t want to talk,†Stephenson told the Daily News for its high school basketball preview. “Just want to play.â€
http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/12/03/lance-not-talking-just-playing/#more-8155
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Now that's good motto.
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Jerry Meyer from Rivals rips into Lance in his mailbag:
Who do you think will be the better college player: Lance Stephenson or Xavier Henry?
-- Tim from Oakland
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Lance Stephenson has developed a reputation for struggling to fit into a team concept.
Stephenson is an exceptional physical talent, but the odds are much better that Henry excels as a college player than Stephenson. Henry is a great physical talent as well, but also has the complete package as far as intangibles and coachability. The same just can't be said for Stephenson, who has a reputation for erratic behavior and an inability to fit into a team concept.
One glaring example of Stephenson's struggles is when he was cut for the USA 18-under national team this summer by Davidson coach Bob McKillop. Stephenson was clearly the most physically gifted player trying out for the team, but the nature of his game and his attitude just wouldn't mesh with McKillop's system. Stephenson's necessity to over dribble and dominate the ball killed any offensive flow, and his attitude alienated himself from his teammates.
Stephenson's game is best suited for a situation where he can dominate the action playing with players who are significantly less talented than him. His high school team is of this nature, and a travel team was created last summer around Stephenson.
Henry on the other hand, played for a travel team with three other high major prospects and fit in well with them while still putting up big numbers. At Memphis, Henry will also put up big numbers while playing within the system and fitting in with his teammates.
If Stephenson played for a struggling program like St. John's next year, he will likely be given free reign and will put up huge numbers - but most likely in a losing cause. The other probable scenario for Stephenson is that he finds a European team that will take a chance on him, and then we will never know the answer to this question.
That sums it up well.
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Jerry Meyer from Rivals rips into Lance in his mailbag:
Stephenson's game is best suited for a situation where he can dominate the action playing with players who are significantly less talented than him. His high school team is of this nature, and a travel team was created last summer around Stephenson.
Jerry Meyer obviously doesn't know anything about Lance's high school team... Tiny has put together quite the talented group ...
They have at least 4 Div I players on the roster...
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Jerry Meyer from Rivals rips into Lance in his mailbag:
Stephenson's game is best suited for a situation where he can dominate the action playing with players who are significantly less talented than him. His high school team is of this nature, and a travel team was created last summer around Stephenson.
Jerry Meyer obviously doesn't know anything about Lance's high school team... Tiny has put together quite the talented group ...
They have at least 4 Div I players on the roster...
Whats the pg's name? What type of D1 talent is he? Big East,Mid Major,MAAC?
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Jerry Meyer from Rivals rips into Lance in his mailbag:
Stephenson's game is best suited for a situation where he can dominate the action playing with players who are significantly less talented than him. His high school team is of this nature, and a travel team was created last summer around Stephenson.
Jerry Meyer obviously doesn't know anything about Lance's high school team... Tiny has put together quite the talented group ...
They have at least 4 Div I players on the roster...
Whats the pg's name? What type of D1 talent is he? Big East,Mid Major,MAAC?
Thye actually have 2..
Darwin Ellis & Shaquille Stokes
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This is Shaq Stokes' first year with Lincoln. He should be a low high major player.
Vincent Council was with Lincoln last year and commited to Kansas State (he's @ prep school). Ellis is a good mid-major player who is CLUTCH and takes a lot of the big shots.
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a low high major player? what exactly is a low high guy? is he shortish tallish? kind of skinny fat?
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a low high major player? what exactly is a low high guy? is he shortish tallish? kind of skinny fat?
I think it means more Nebraska than Kansas, more Iowa than Michigan State, more - dare I say - St Johns than UConn.
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This is Shaq Stokes' first year with Lincoln. He should be a low high major player.
Vincent Council was with Lincoln last year and commited to Kansas State (he's @ prep school). Ellis is a good mid-major player who is CLUTCH and takes a lot of the big shots.
Tiny was very vocal about saying Stokes was going to be the starting point guard this year...
Its amazing that he got a kid to transfer to Lincoln from a school in NJ...
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a low high major player? what exactly is a low high guy? is he shortish tallish? kind of skinny fat?
I think it means more Nebraska than Kansas, more Iowa than Michigan State, more - dare I say - St Johns than UConn.
exactly.
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So he'd be a low major or a mid major. low high major is just contradictory.
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So he'd be a low major or a mid major. low high major is just contradictory.
Not necessarily true.
Conferences really break down into three groups:
BCS/High Major
Mid Major
Low Major
Where you as an individual put conferences in the last two groups is very subjective but the BCS/High Major group is not, it is clearly defined. Of course now everyone's gonna jump in the air and say how can even dare to think that Memphis, Gonzaga, Xavier, etc... are mid majors. Well I think so because they are - programs from mid major conferences are by definition mid majors, even if every other aspect of their program and operation is as or even more major than some BCS schools.
Within the High Major's there is also a relative pecking order so each BCS conference has "low" schools who aren't expected to be able to compete on the cour and on the recruiting consistently year in and year out with the "high" schools who are expected to excel each and every year. Such schools again could be subjective but directionally I'd say if you're thinking Nebraska, Northwestern, USF, Penn St, etc... you're off to a good start. Folks can argue all day about who belongs in this group - Va Tech? Iowa St? Iowa? - but I think a good barometer is if those who believe SJU is a recruiting powerhouse are disappointed with the BCS conference competitive suitors for a recruits services that those competitive suitors are "low, high majors". Does that make any sense?
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We're not scouting teams here. We're talking about a player.
He could be an impact player, rotational, bench, or walkon player for a low, mid, high major team. Saying low high major sounds dumb.
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We're not scouting teams here. We're talking about a player.
He could be an impact player, rotational, bench, or walkon player for a low, mid, high major team. Saying low high major sounds dumb.
Who cares how it sounds, when sites or experts describe players they are talking about the types of teams that they would fit in on and attract interest in from a recruiting standpoint. Not all high major recruits are going to be superstars at high major schools but in that expert's opinion they will be able to contribute more positives than negatives at that level. These terms describe the schools they would best fit at not the player himself.
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We're not scouting teams here. We're talking about a player.
He could be an impact player, rotational, bench, or walkon player for a low, mid, high major team. Saying low high major sounds dumb.
Who cares how it sounds, when sites or experts describe players they are talking about the types of teams that they would fit in on and attract interest in from a recruiting standpoint. Not all high major recruits are going to be superstars at high major schools but in that expert's opinion they will be able to contribute more positives than negatives at that level. These terms describe the schools they would best fit at not the player himself.
I understand your distinction.
Tom Konchalski would grade that player as a 5/5-, generally meaning capable of being a major contributor at the mid-major level and a potential role player at the major level.
Another term often used is an elite level recruit, usually these players wind up at UCLA, Kansas, Duke, Florida, UConn, Memphis, Texas, UNC, Kentucky, etc. Every once in an odd while, a DeMarcus Cousins-type will wind up at a UAB.
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Does this help our chances with Lance???
http://www.brandonjennings.net/2008/11/29/brandon-jennings-stats-2/
Some of Brandon Jenning’s statistics so far this young season:
In the Italian league, Jennings is averaging 4.9 points, 3.0 assists, and 1.3 steals in only 17.3 minutes over 7 games.
In the Euroleague, he is averaging 9.4 points, 1.4 assists, and 0.8 steals in 18.0 minutes over 5 games.
His highest scoring game was 14 points and his highest assist total was 7.
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We're not scouting teams here. We're talking about a player.
He could be an impact player, rotational, bench, or walkon player for a low, mid, high major team. Saying low high major sounds dumb.
Who cares how it sounds, when sites or experts describe players they are talking about the types of teams that they would fit in on and attract interest in from a recruiting standpoint. Not all high major recruits are going to be superstars at high major schools but in that expert's opinion they will be able to contribute more positives than negatives at that level. These terms describe the schools they would best fit at not the player himself.
This is really pointless debating. I still don't think it makes sense.
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how does it not make sense?
when people say a high major school, people naturally think of teams like uconn, ucla, north carolina, kansas, texas, florida, memphis, duke, pittsburgh, etc.
vincent council is not going to get any playing time at schools like that. but he will be going to a BCS school, so therefore he isn't going to a mid major school, hence low high major.
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I see what people are getting at here. It kinda makes sense, the lower tier high-majors (maybe that phrasing makes more sense lol) are the BCS conference schools that have been in the lower echelon of their respective conferences in recent years. Makes sense to me but it's a bit murky...
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Does BCS really have anything to do with college basketball? Isn't that just football?
Anyways if you are ranking the kid's talent and you say he isn't a high major player but rather a mid major talent who might wind up playing(sitting bench) for a lower tiered team in a power conference(which you call high major team). I've never heard the term low high major player.
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I see what people are getting at here. It kinda makes sense, the lower tier high-majors (maybe that phrasing makes more sense lol) are the BCS conference schools that have been in the lower echelon of their respective conferences in recent years. Makes sense to me but it's a bit murky...
I think it makes perfect sense! You are describing a borderline BCS conference basketball player. Like someone that should play for us, Rutgers, South Florida, Penn State, Northwestern, etc. etc. etc. It's pathetic I have to group us in this.
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I understood what he meant but personally I think its Low Major, Mid Major, and High Major and it is based on the conference. Either a player can play in that conference or he can't.
At what point do we stop the madness? Low Low High Major for South Florida. Or a Mid Low High Major for Depaul. It gets to be a bit much.
Anyway I sure hope Lance qualifies and chooses to go to college!
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I understood what he meant but personally I think its Low Major, Mid Major, and High Major and it is based on the conference. Either a player can play in that conference or he can't.
At what point do we stop the madness? Low Low High Major for South Florida. Or a Mid Low High Major for Depaul. It gets to be a bit much.
Anyway I sure hope Lance qualifies and chooses to go to college!
IMO, the more detailed the classification, the better - otherwise Hasheem Thabeet and Phil Wait would both just be considered "high major" players --- and that's unfair to BOTH players to group them like that.
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So anyways....Lance Stephenson is a high major player....
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So anyways....Lance Stephenson is a high major player....
Wrong. He's a high high high major player. Hopefully he doesn't meet Willie Shaw, or else he might become a high high high HIGH major player. ;)
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I understood what he meant but personally I think its Low Major, Mid Major, and High Major and it is based on the conference. Either a player can play in that conference or he can't.
At what point do we stop the madness? Low Low High Major for South Florida. Or a Mid Low High Major for Depaul. It gets to be a bit much.
Anyway I sure hope Lance qualifies and chooses to go to college!
IMO, the more detailed the classification, the better - otherwise Hasheem Thabeet and Phil Wait would both just be considered "high major" players --- and that's unfair to BOTH players to group them like that.
IMO its not meant to be a detailed description of the player's ability. Its a generic description of the schools a player is looking at.
What if Thabeet came to St. John's and Wait went to Uconn. Does that mean Wait is better than Thabeet because he chose Uconn?
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I understood what he meant but personally I think its Low Major, Mid Major, and High Major and it is based on the conference. Either a player can play in that conference or he can't.
At what point do we stop the madness? Low Low High Major for South Florida. Or a Mid Low High Major for Depaul. It gets to be a bit much.
Anyway I sure hope Lance qualifies and chooses to go to college!
IMO, the more detailed the classification, the better - otherwise Hasheem Thabeet and Phil Wait would both just be considered "high major" players --- and that's unfair to BOTH players to group them like that.
IMO its not meant to be a detailed description of the player's ability. Its a generic description of the schools a player is looking at.
What if Thabeet came to St. John's and Wait went to Uconn. Does that mean Wait is better than Thabeet because he chose Uconn?
Well, he'd probably end up better. ;)
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So anyways....Lance Stephenson is a high major player....
Does Brandon Jennings need to implode for Lance to decide to go to college?
Or will Lance even get the chance to go to college(qualify)?
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I understood what he meant but personally I think its Low Major, Mid Major, and High Major and it is based on the conference. Either a player can play in that conference or he can't.
At what point do we stop the madness? Low Low High Major for South Florida. Or a Mid Low High Major for Depaul. It gets to be a bit much.
Anyway I sure hope Lance qualifies and chooses to go to college!
IMO, the more detailed the classification, the better - otherwise Hasheem Thabeet and Phil Wait would both just be considered "high major" players --- and that's unfair to BOTH players to group them like that.
IMO its not meant to be a detailed description of the player's ability. Its a generic description of the schools a player is looking at.
What if Thabeet came to St. John's and Wait went to Uconn. Does that mean Wait is better than Thabeet because he chose Uconn?
I think it's a detailed description of the schools a kid COULD go to. Example: If Lance goes to St. John's he's still a high high high major player b/c his talent level would have allowed him to go anywhere. Same with thabeet. On the other hand is Geno lawrence who would have been described a LOW high major player b/c the only "BCS" conference recruiting him was St. John's.
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I don't think Brandon Jennings is helping the cause for Lance to go over to Europe. In the end will Brandon Jennings be a better player? Maybe? I think bigger college numbes = better than playing 20mpg with mediocre stats in Europe. We just have to hope Jennings continues to get kicked out of practices(I'm not sure if someone mentioned that yet over here or I read that in my personal readings but he did its not uncommon though) and doesn't get more and more minutes.
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Well, he'd probably end up better. ;)
I knew that was coming as soon as I hit post.
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I think it's a detailed description of the schools a kid COULD go to. Example: If Lance goes to St. John's he's still a high high high major player b/c his talent level would have allowed him to go anywhere. Same with thabeet. On the other hand is Geno lawrence who would have been described a LOW high major player b/c the only "BCS" conference recruiting him was St. John's.
Thats fine but the description was always used as a way to give a generic description as to what conference a kid can play in...as in...is he a Big East player or a MAAC player.
Honestly I was about to make fun of everyone for debating about this and somehow I got myself involved. :-X
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I don't think Brandon Jennings is helping the cause for Lance to go over to Europe. In the end will Brandon Jennings be a better player? Maybe? I think bigger college numbes = better than playing 20mpg with mediocre stats in Europe. We just have to hope Jennings continues to get kicked out of practices(I'm not sure if someone mentioned that yet over here or I read that in my personal readings but he did its not uncommon though) and doesn't get more and more minutes.
In that ESPN article he didn't make it seem very glamorous.
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I think Lance would be crazy NOT to come here. If he signed... they day he landed on campus... he would be more popular (and in the spotlight) than Lopez was!
Once he got on the court... proved he could ball at the college level and made the Johnnies a contender again... he would be an instant NBA prospect.
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I think Lance would be crazy NOT to come here. If he signed... they day he landed on campus... he would be more popular (and in the spotlight) than Lopez was!
Once he got on the court... proved he could ball at the college level and made the Johnnies a contender again... he would be an instant NBA prospect.
He already is an NBA prospect. For his nine months, he won't be in the spotlight more the Dominican Jordan was as a freshman. Unless he punches someone in the face or commits armed robbery before a game against an NEC team, he's unlikely to make the cover of SI.
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If he comes and St. John's wins then he will be King of NY and the King of NY is King of All.
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i am pretty sure he wants to go to college.
but i am not sure if he can qualify...
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If he signed... they day he landed on campus... he would be more popular (and in the spotlight) than Lopez was!
Dude.. that would take a lot... not sure how old you are but do you remember the big deal it was when Felipe entered St. John's.. think about it, he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated before ever played a game... I have never seen a player enter college with the hype he did...
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lance wouldn't be has popular because the media is all over everybody, rather they are from NYC or Oklahoma, they are real hyped.
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The times are different these kids all have more exposure than Felipe did through the internet.
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lance wouldn't be has popular because the media is all over everybody, rather they are from NYC or Oklahoma, they are real hyped.
Let me guess... you graduated from UConn? ;D
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If he signed... they day he landed on campus... he would be more popular (and in the spotlight) than Lopez was!
entered St. John's.. think about it, he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated before ever played a game... I have never seen a player enter college with the hype he did...
I do remember... that's why I said what I said. He was the man on campus. Lance would get that attention here because he would be labeled as the guy who will bring the Johnnies back.
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lance wouldn't be has popular because the media is all over everybody, rather they are from NYC or Oklahoma, they are real hyped.
Let me guess... you graduated from UConn? ;D
He needs to graduate high school first
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I don't think Brandon Jennings is helping the cause for Lance to go over to Europe. In the end will Brandon Jennings be a better player? Maybe? I think bigger college numbes = better than playing 20mpg with mediocre stats in Europe. We just have to hope Jennings continues to get kicked out of practices(I'm not sure if someone mentioned that yet over here or I read that in my personal readings but he did its not uncommon though) and doesn't get more and more minutes.
In that ESPN article he didn't make it seem very glamorous.
WAYYYYY less pub in America and on ESPN by going to Europe than even playing on a crappy team in NCAA but dominating.
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I think STJ would be a great place for Lance. His versatility on offense would create so much offense its silly. Malik could penetrate like he does so often and instead of forcing it down low, you can hit Lance cuting to the basket. Lance can also penetrate and hit shooters like Paris and DJ. The Johnnies would have many weapons on offense which is very much needed to compete in the BIG EAST. Does anyone know Lance's status on where he is leaning for next year? When will he make his final decision? Lance if you are reading this, come to St. John's and bring us back to the dance.
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he's making his final decision in the spring.
i honestly think the question really is, can/will he qualify
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I saw Lance play at the Primetime SHootout in Trenton last year and I felt like I was watching a college game. This is last year when he was a junior so...I think he would be great for them.
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http://saintjohns.scout.com/a.z?s=443&p=8&c=1&nid=1995807
looks like ucla, kentucky is off the list
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Nice Nice.....now let him come visit the school again..and lets seal the deal
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I look at the scout STJ list once a week.
Thet never showed us on Lance's list till this week.
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well im taking it as a good sign
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I look at the scout STJ list once a week.
Thet never showed us on Lance's list till this week.
Dont put much stock into those. I am pretty sure rivals still doesnt have us listed for lance.
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well kansas is now going to go after lance HARD after losing out on cheek.
self versus norm...who wins?
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well kansas is now going to go after lance HARD after losing out on cheek.
self versus norm...who wins?
It is going to be interesting. Lance isnt really tipping his hand. There are postives and negatives to either way he could go. Lets all just hope he realizes the impact and exposure he could experience coming to STJ.
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I think St. John's needs to be respectable this year for Lance to come. Not even so much just Wins and Losses but no blowouts or embarrassing losses. A few upset wins wouldn't hurt either.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/12/11/lance-on-the-worldwide-leader/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/12/11/lance-on-the-worldwide-leader/)
Lance on ESPN tonight.
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9:30 on ESPN tonight against Duncanville (TX), the #2 team in the country with about 4 high-major players.
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and I just got my 40in high def TV installed today...very nice!
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http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=24058
Roger (FL): Will Lance Stephenson go to Europe? if not which school has the best shot to get him?
Reggie Rankin: Great question Roger. I think Lance Stephenson will probably listen to the pro teams in Europe because of his aspirations to play professionally as soon as possible. I'm hesitant because of his young age living alone overseas. If he doesn't go, I see him possibly sticking around the NYC area, in particular St. John's. He would be an unbelievable get for them and someone who bring immediate attention to a program in dire need. Another possibility is USC, where he would follow the path of a similar player, O.J. Mayo. Kentucky is also a good choice, because he would be an immediate impact player in a hoop crazy area of the country where he could showcase his offensive talent right from the get go. It will certainly be interesting to see. Don't forget to watch Lance and Lincoln High battle Duncanville Thursday night at 9:30 on ESPN!
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Stephenson is goin off
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wow we need this kid.
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Asked about the possibility of playing overseas like Brandon Jennings, Stephenson reportedly told the ESPN guys before the game, “Going to college.â€
http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/12/11/lance-has-17-at-the-half/#more-8668
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Offtopic, but I read(Daily News I think) that Brandon Jennings is the 4th guard on the team and isnt playing too well
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Offtopic, but I read(Daily News I think) that Brandon Jennings is the 4th guard on the team and isnt playing too well
his agent should have really went to a team who guaranteed playing time even still that would have probably would have given some of his teammates ulcers saying who is this american prima donna
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Jennings' coach got fired. He was only playing about 16 mpg and the coach was supposedly playing a 12 man rotation...
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money talks
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Revised article excerpts:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/12/11/lance-has-17-at-the-half/#more-8668
With Kansas head coach Bill Self looking on courtside, Lance Stephenson scored a game-high 32 points but the Lincoln Railsplitters came up on the losing end, 77-57, against Duncanville (Texas) in the Old Spice Classic on ESPN.
After repeatedly powering his way to the basket and also showing his long-range shooting skills by draining a 3-pointer from two feet behind the line, the 6-foot-5, 220-pound Stephenson was named MVP of the game upon making 13 of 21 from the field. He entered averaging 34.3 points per game.
“He’s got the God-given body, and he’s blessed with quickness to go with it,†Duncanville coach Phil McNeely told the Dallas Morning News prior to the game. “That’s a deadly combination.â€
Coach Self sat courtside with a Diet Coke. Stephenson is being most heavily recruited by Kansas and St. John’s, and Self is clearly interested.
Asked about the possibility of playing overseas like Brandon Jennings, Stephenson reportedly told the ESPN guys before the game, “Going to college.â€
Lincoln, No. 6 in the ESPN Rise Fab 50, overcame a 20-4 deficit to take 36-35 halftime lead on No. 10 Duncanville behind 17 points on 7-of-11 shooting from Stephenson.
“[Lance] is a kid who can put the ball in the basket,†Lincoln coach Dwayne “Tiny†Morton told the Dallas Morning News.
“Lance is very aggressive on the court. I think a lot coaches would love to have a kid who could put ball in the hole the way he does.â€
“Every coach in the country will tell you he’s as talented as anybody in the Class of ‘09,†he said. “Part of the question mark you have about Stephenson if you’re a college coach evaluating him is, How does he fit into a team setting? Sometimes a little bit selfish, maybe a little bit lackadaisical in his approach to the game.
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Offtopic, but I read(Daily News I think) that Brandon Jennings is the 4th guard on the team and isnt playing too well
his agent should have really went to a team who guaranteed playing time even still that would have probably would have given some of his teammates ulcers saying who is this american prima donna
The only teams that are going to make those guarantees in Europe are pretty mediocre, low-level squads, as far as I know... the ones who don't make payroll. Even if a player doesn't get that much time, contributing on a top team still gets notice by the NBA, as Jennings is (and Ricky Rubio as well):
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2008-12-11-jennings-rubio_N.htm
and
http://slamonline.com/online/columnists/the-links/2008/12/links-jennings-vs-rubio-round-one/
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Rubio was coming off an injury but from what I read he still blew by Jennings a few times. Also Jennings is playing off the ball(can't see how that helps his draft status) so the big head to head matchup was pretty uneventful
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How hot is this photo I made...
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1396/39/13/717884853/n717884853_975874_1822.jpg)
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(http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1994/1128_large.jpg)
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Another one I made
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1396/39/13/717884853/n717884853_977786_5678.jpg)
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Those are pretty sweet... If lance is in attendance for any of our games someone should definitely make those into posters
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Another one I made
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1396/39/13/717884853/n717884853_977786_5678.jpg)
gotta find another number if mase returns!
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How hot is this photo I made...
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1396/39/13/717884853/n717884853_975874_1822.jpg)
YOU made?? lol JK man, glad you liked it!
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hahaha I should have said that I "got" made up. Tyler these are awesome. Hopefully we'll get a tyler request thread going so you can make up some signatures for people, if interested.
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How hot is this photo I made...
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1396/39/13/717884853/n717884853_975874_1822.jpg)
Dave... I told you that he would be as big as Felipe was!!! LOL
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Another one I made
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1396/39/13/717884853/n717884853_977786_5678.jpg)
gotta find another number if mase returns!
You mean Mase will need to find another number if Lance comes!
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hahaha I should have said that I "got" made up. Tyler these are awesome. Hopefully we'll get a tyler request thread going so you can make up some signatures for people, if interested.
good thing you're not at st. john's...that's gotta be in the realm of plagiarism!
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hahaha I should have said that I "got" made up. Tyler these are awesome. Hopefully we'll get a tyler request thread going so you can make up some signatures for people, if interested.
good thing you're not at st. john's...that's gotta be in the realm of plagiarism!
These were made exclusively for Johnny Jungle...Tyler has been busting my chops all weekend about it.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/12/18/lincoln-downs-jefferson-in-psal-thriller/#more-8974
norm was at the thomas jeff/lincoln game.
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Why wasn't Bill Self there?
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how can self not be there?!1?!1 he blew it!1!
we are getting lance!1111!11!!!!1111111
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how can self not be there?!1?!1 he blew it!1!
we are getting lance!1111!11!!!!1111111
poor attempt lol
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/12/18/lincoln-downs-jefferson-in-psal-thriller/
Lance on Norm Roberts coming to the game: “I was surprised when he came in the building. He’s a good coach.
im assuming he means dedicated coach lol, but that is a good thing to hear none the less
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That cover is pretty fly. Props.
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from Meyer's Mailbag from Rivals:
Lasting impact?
What impact would Lance Stephenson have on St. John's if he was to commit to Norm Roberts? Would it elevate the program for merely a year or galvanize the city's players for future seasons?
-- LaQuifa from Brooklyn, N.Y.
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Stephenson going to St. John's would create a one-year buzz for St. John's, but I really don't see it having any significant long-term effect. The fact is that Stephenson at St. John's would be a whole lot more about Stephenson than about the St. John's program.
Playing for St. John's would give Stephenson the chance to dominate the ball and the action, put up big numbers and be the focal point of the program for a year. He probably only makes St. John's marginally better for one year and is then out the door. I don't know what there would be to show for Stephenson having been at St. John's.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=891777
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from Meyer's Mailbag from Rivals:
Lasting impact?
What impact would Lance Stephenson have on St. John's if he was to commit to Norm Roberts? Would it elevate the program for merely a year or galvanize the city's players for future seasons?
-- LaQuifa from Brooklyn, N.Y.
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Stephenson going to St. John's would create a one-year buzz for St. John's, but I really don't see it having any significant long-term effect. The fact is that Stephenson at St. John's would be a whole lot more about Stephenson than about the St. John's program.
Playing for St. John's would give Stephenson the chance to dominate the ball and the action, put up big numbers and be the focal point of the program for a year. He probably only makes St. John's marginally better for one year and is then out the door. I don't know what there would be to show for Stephenson having been at St. John's.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=891777
paul harris was going to go to syracuse for one year.
kids go to college, and discover it isn't easy to play REAL basketball.
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harris realized he needed a jump shot to be successful outside of HS.
lance has a jump shot.
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harris realized he needed a jump shot to be successful outside of HS.
lance has a jump shot.
did he tell you that? ;D
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from Meyer's Mailbag from Rivals:
Lasting impact?
What impact would Lance Stephenson have on St. John's if he was to commit to Norm Roberts? Would it elevate the program for merely a year or galvanize the city's players for future seasons?
-- LaQuifa from Brooklyn, N.Y.
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Stephenson going to St. John's would create a one-year buzz for St. John's, but I really don't see it having any significant long-term effect. The fact is that Stephenson at St. John's would be a whole lot more about Stephenson than about the St. John's program.
Playing for St. John's would give Stephenson the chance to dominate the ball and the action, put up big numbers and be the focal point of the program for a year. He probably only makes St. John's marginally better for one year and is then out the door. I don't know what there would be to show for Stephenson having been at St. John's.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=891777
LaQuifa
;D ;D ;D
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/12/25/withey-to-kansas-updated-transfer-list/#more-9423 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/12/25/withey-to-kansas-updated-transfer-list/#more-9423)
Hopefully, this helps us with Lance. He should see that we are more committed to him than any other school (aka we have fewer options).
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although it really does not matter....
scout now has lance with "high interest" in st john's...
http://hsnewyork.scout.com/a.z?s=403&p=8&c=1&nid=1995807 (http://hsnewyork.scout.com/a.z?s=403&p=8&c=1&nid=1995807)
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For those that care, Lance scored 37 yesterday against Boys and Girls but lost 71-61. What's going on at Lincoln?
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For those that care, Lance scored 37 yesterday against Boys and Girls but lost 71-61. What's going on at Lincoln?
The have THE most overrated coach in NYC.
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For those that care, Lance scored 37 yesterday against Boys and Girls but lost 71-61. What's going on at Lincoln?
The have THE most overrated coach in NYC.
Thats too nice a statement. "COACH" Tiny is street agent thug
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They beat us and now they are trying to take another Coney Island Legend from us. >:(
I can't lie , this team would be a good fit for him next year :'( , they lose a lot of proven offense for the 09-10 season.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/11/lance-considering-pittsburgh-favors-gilchrist-updates/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/11/lance-considering-pittsburgh-favors-gilchrist-updates/)
Pitt associate head coach Tom Herrion watched Stephenson drop 37 points last week on Brooklyn Boys & Girls in a loss and a source close to the situation says Stephenson has “interest†in the Panthers.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/15/lance-wants-to-bring-st-johns-back/#more-10350 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/15/lance-wants-to-bring-st-johns-back/#more-10350)
- Asked if he was considering No. 1 Pitt, Stephenson said, “No, no, no.”
- “They played against Connecticut. It was real tough. I think if I come here I could change that around. We would win that game.”
- As Stephenson stood outside the St. John’s locker room and was greeted by various people, he sure sounded like he was thinking seriously about playing for the Red Storm.
“I think if I come here I could bring New York back, that would be a good look for me and St. John’s,” Stephenson said. “I love playing in the Garden, the bright lights, the fire comes out of me so I’m ready for all challenges.”
sounds good to me, make it happen Lance!!
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/15/lance-wants-to-bring-st-johns-back/#more-10350 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/15/lance-wants-to-bring-st-johns-back/#more-10350)
- Asked if he was considering No. 1 Pitt, Stephenson said, “No, no, no.â€
- “They played against Connecticut. It was real tough. I think if I come here I could change that around. We would win that game.â€
- As Stephenson stood outside the St. John’s locker room and was greeted by various people, he sure sounded like he was thinking seriously about playing for the Red Storm.
“I think if I come here I could bring New York back, that would be a good look for me and St. John’s,†Stephenson said. “I love playing in the Garden, the bright lights, the fire comes out of me so I’m ready for all challenges.â€
sounds good to me, make it happen Lance!!
Best news I've heard all week.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/15/lance-wants-to-bring-st-johns-back/#more-10350 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/15/lance-wants-to-bring-st-johns-back/#more-10350)
- Asked if he was considering No. 1 Pitt, Stephenson said, “No, no, no.â€
- “They played against Connecticut. It was real tough. I think if I come here I could change that around. We would win that game.â€
- As Stephenson stood outside the St. John’s locker room and was greeted by various people, he sure sounded like he was thinking seriously about playing for the Red Storm.
“I think if I come here I could bring New York back, that would be a good look for me and St. John’s,†Stephenson said. “I love playing in the Garden, the bright lights, the fire comes out of me so I’m ready for all challenges.â€
sounds good to me, make it happen Lance!!
Best news I've heard all week.
It was great just to see Omari and him at the game. He was sitting right in front of Walter Berry. This was better news.
Mo Hicks and Durand Scott were also at the game.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/15/lance-wants-to-bring-st-johns-back/#more-10350 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/15/lance-wants-to-bring-st-johns-back/#more-10350)
- Asked if he was considering No. 1 Pitt, Stephenson said, “No, no, no.â€
- “They played against Connecticut. It was real tough. I think if I come here I could change that around. We would win that game.â€
- As Stephenson stood outside the St. John’s locker room and was greeted by various people, he sure sounded like he was thinking seriously about playing for the Red Storm.
“I think if I come here I could bring New York back, that would be a good look for me and St. John’s,†Stephenson said. “I love playing in the Garden, the bright lights, the fire comes out of me so I’m ready for all challenges.â€
sounds good to me, make it happen Lance!!
These are all real, REAL positive things to hear out of him.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/15/lance-wants-to-bring-st-johns-back/#more-10350 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/15/lance-wants-to-bring-st-johns-back/#more-10350)
- Asked if he was considering No. 1 Pitt, Stephenson said, “No, no, no.â€
- “They played against Connecticut. It was real tough. I think if I come here I could change that around. We would win that game.â€
- As Stephenson stood outside the St. John’s locker room and was greeted by various people, he sure sounded like he was thinking seriously about playing for the Red Storm.
“I think if I come here I could bring New York back, that would be a good look for me and St. John’s,†Stephenson said. “I love playing in the Garden, the bright lights, the fire comes out of me so I’m ready for all challenges.â€
sounds good to me, make it happen Lance!!
Wow...that's awesome. Let's go Lance! St. John's needs you...New York needs you. Let's get this done.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_u5BnGJx2w&eurl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_u5BnGJx2w&eurl)
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Wow. Kid has an all around offensive game.
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=902333 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=902333)
Lance Stephenson (Lincoln) 24 points on 9-18 shooting, 0-2 from three, 6-11 from the line, 8 rebounds, 3 steals, 3 turnovers in 28 minutes
It was rough going for in the first half for Stephenson, but in the second half he found his dribble offensive game. He was never, however, able to muster up enough offense to turn the tables for his team.
Stephenson also commented on his recruitment after the game, saying he is considering Kansas, St. John's, Memphis and USC. After the season Stephenson wants to visit all four of these schools and is in the process of identifying a fifth school to visit as well. He named Wake Forest, Georgia Tech and Georgetown as schools that are vying for that fifth spot.
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I was in Springfield for the game. He did not play well at all.
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I was in Springfield for the game. He did not play well at all.
Theo any college coaches in the house?
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I was in Springfield for the game. He did not play well at all.
i would have to disagree. though his first half was rough. he dominated most of the second half.
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Coach Quartlebaum, John Calipari and his assistant (and one of the top young assistants in the country) Josh Pastner was in the house.
In other Lincoln news, coach Tiny Morton has found himself in the middle of some controversy:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/01/20/2009-01-20_leroy_fludd_propels_grady_after_spurning-1.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/01/20/2009-01-20_leroy_fludd_propels_grady_after_spurning-1.html)
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Coach Quartlebaum, John Calipari and his assistant (and one of the top young assistants in the country) Josh Pastner was in the house.
In other Lincoln news, coach Tiny Morton has found himself in the middle of some controversy:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/01/20/2009-01-20_leroy_fludd_propels_grady_after_spurning-1.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/01/20/2009-01-20_leroy_fludd_propels_grady_after_spurning-1.html)
Theo, this story deserves its own thread. Tiny Morton is a skell
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=902333 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=902333)
Lance Stephenson (Lincoln) 24 points on 9-18 shooting, 0-2 from three, 6-11 from the line, 8 rebounds, 3 steals, 3 turnovers in 28 minutes
It was rough going for in the first half for Stephenson, but in the second half he found his dribble offensive game. He was never, however, able to muster up enough offense to turn the tables for his team.
Stephenson also commented on his recruitment after the game, saying he is considering Kansas, St. John's, Memphis and USC. After the season Stephenson wants to visit all four of these schools and is in the process of identifying a fifth school to visit as well. He named Wake Forest, Georgia Tech and Georgetown as schools that are vying for that fifth spot.
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Could have sworn I saw him at the game sitting 4 rows in front of Lou, Brian and Mel.
I could be wrong though. If it was him, and I really think it was, he seemed pretty comfortable at Alumni Hall. Saying hi to people as he walked by, smiling ear to ear.
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there were chants for him throughout the game last night, so I assume he was there.
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Haven't seen this posted yet but on Sunday morning from 11am-1pm Lance and Lincoln will be playing St. Benedict's on MSG Plus. Should be fun to watch, tons of talent on the floor.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/25/lance-says-europe-is-not-an-option/#more-10864 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/25/lance-says-europe-is-not-an-option/#more-10864)
The 6-foot-5 Stephenson, ranked No. 1 in the Class of 2009 by the Hoop Scoop and No. 9 by Rivals, lists St. John’s, Kansas, Memphis and USC as his favorites and has repeatedly told me and other reporters he likes the idea of bringing St. John’s back.
“I think about that a lot,†he told MSG. “I was thinking about that with my family, to bring St. John’s back, so I think that would be a good look.â€
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/25/lance-says-europe-is-not-an-option/#more-10864 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/25/lance-says-europe-is-not-an-option/#more-10864)
The 6-foot-5 Stephenson, ranked No. 1 in the Class of 2009 by the Hoop Scoop and No. 9 by Rivals, lists St. John’s, Kansas, Memphis and USC as his favorites and has repeatedly told me and other reporters he likes the idea of bringing St. John’s back.
“I think about that a lot,†he told MSG. “I was thinking about that with my family, to bring St. John’s back, so I think that would be a good look.â€
A very good look...this kid better not be messing with us. Sign him up already!
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Haven't seen this posted yet but on Sunday morning from 11am-1pm Lance and Lincoln will be playing St. Benedict's on MSG Plus. Should be fun to watch, tons of talent on the floor.
Lincoln gottheir ass whipped.. they are over rated this year...
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their two small guards kill them. all they do is shoot and turn the ball over
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Haven't seen this posted yet but on Sunday morning from 11am-1pm Lance and Lincoln will be playing St. Benedict's on MSG Plus. Should be fun to watch, tons of talent on the floor.
Lincoln gottheir ass whipped.. they are over rated this year...
(http://www.fiveborosports.com/multimedia/news_images/Tinylost.jpg)
:) :) :)
When Lance showed up to the UConn game a few weeks ago, one of the Husky fans in the section was joking that all of Lance's losing this season was in preparation for next year.
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We have a real chance at getting Lance, according to Rivals he will go to Saint Johns or play in Europe
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We have a real chance at getting Lance, according to Rivals he will go to Saint Johns or play in Europe
link?
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Lance Stephenson says Europe is not an option and that he will definitely go to college next year.
“I don’t think it’s a good decision to go to Europe,†Stephenson told the MSG Network in a interview broadcast at halftime of St. Benedict’s 89-53 victory over Lincoln Saturday at the Prudential Center. “I just want to go to college and experience new things.â€
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So according to Rivals he will be going to SJU then?
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434 posts on Lance?
Some y'all thinkin he the savin grace.
Think again.
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434 posts on Lance?
Some y'all thinkin he the savin grace.
Think again.
This team doesnt need a saving grace. Just a few top 50 recruits, which Omari and Lance are.
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434 posts on Lance?
Some y'all thinkin he the savin grace.
Think again.
I think he'd be a great fit for many reasons. I don't think he is a saving grace and I don't think anyone out there is but he would definitely be a huge help.
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The savin grace they need dont wear shorts. He wear a suit.
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The savin grace they need dont wear shorts. He wear a suit.
Well that isnt happenning, so I'll take Lance.
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With Lance i promise you this team will have a huge turn around
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I know he said he was going to commit in the Spring, do we know when in the Spring? Early or late?
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/31/lance-gilchrist-named-1st-team-all-americans/#more-11127 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/01/31/lance-gilchrist-named-1st-team-all-americans/#more-11127)
**Rutgers, Seton Hall and St. John’s don’t have a single player on the list. Among Big East teams will multiple commits on the first 20 teams are: Villanova (4); Marquette (3), Louisville (2) and Pittsburgh (2). Syracuse, Cincinnati and UConn each had one.
HOOP SCOOP FIRST TEAM ALL-AMERICAN
Derrick Favors, Sr. C, South Atlanta High - GEORGIA TECH
Michael Gilchrist, So WF, Elizabeth (NJ) St. Patrick
Lance Stephenson, Sr. WF, Brooklyn Lincoln
Kenny Boynton, Sr. 2G, American Heritage (Fla.)
Avery Bradley, Sr. 2G, Findlay Prep (NV) - TEXAS
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He is currently down in Maryland watching the Terps play Miami. My friend, a Maryland fan, called and said Lance called Gary abt coming down to watch a game there. I know Padgett his teammate is committed to the terps. They may be another team to watch out for.
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/press-break/2009/01/jan_31_8_pm.html#more (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/press-break/2009/01/jan_31_8_pm.html#more)
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/03/lance-says-marylands-in-memphis-is-out-plans-on-announcing-in-march/#more-11258 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/03/lance-says-marylands-in-memphis-is-out-plans-on-announcing-in-march/#more-11258)
Lance Says Maryland’s in, Memphis is Out; Plans on Announcing in March
Posted on Feb 3, 2009 10:11 pm
Lance Stephenson’s recruitment has taken another interesting turn.
The 6-foot-5 Stephenson says Maryland is now on his list, and Memphis is out.
He also plans on announcing in March, ideally after Lincoln plays in the PSAL Boys AA championship game slated for March 21 at Madison Square Garden.
“Hopefully when I win the city championship — hopefully we get there — I’ll name right after that,†Stephenson said. The Railsplitters are the three-time defending PSAL AA champions.
Stephenson, the No. 1 player in the Class of 2009 according to the Hoop Scoop, made his latest comments after posting a double-double of 21 points and 20 rebounds as the Railsplitters downed PSAL AA rival Thomas Jefferson, 88-81, Tuesday night at Jefferson in Brooklyn.
Lance says his new list looks like this.
“St. John’s, Maryland, Kansas and USC,†he said.
What about Memphis?
“They’re not really recruiting me no more,†Stephenson said. “I think they got the shooting guard that they want [Xavier Henry], so I don’t want to name them no more.â€
Stephenson has taken an unofficial visit to St. John’s and has repeatedly said he likes the idea of bringing the Johnnies back to prominence. Yet he has not taken officials anywhere but Maryland.
“Not as of right now, no,†Stephenson said. “But I’m going to look at all the other schools I just named.â€
In a surprising development, Stephenson visited Maryland Saturday night, his first official visit.
“Maryland, I had fun,†he said. “We talked about Padge [6-8 Maryland-bound forward James Padgett of Lincoln], how we’re going to get him ready for Maryland,†Stephenson said. “That’s a good look for me and him to go to. I’m just looking at different schools and trying to see where the best fit is.â€
He added: “They’re kind of high on my list. I didn’t go and visit all the other schools. I just visited that school. It’s the first official visit. I’m just going to see what the other schools look like and pick by that.â€
Stephenson watched the Terps beat Miami in ACC action and said he was impressed.
“I watched the game,†he said. “They played against Miami. They beat Miami. That was a tough win. They played hard that game and after that I just chilled with the coaches. We talked about how I could make a big change in the program.â€
Asked what he thought of the ACC, Stephenson said, “That’s the toughest league in college.â€
Asked what he thought about the Terps’ style, he said: “They play up and down, up tempo. And they play hard defense though they don’t have a big man. They still look like they have a big man by the way that they play.â€
Stephenson said Maryland assistant Keith Booth first reached out to him during the time they were recruiting Padgett.
“They come to see Padgett, so they just figured that it would be a good look if they talked to me too and tried to get me and Padgett to play together again,†Stephenson said.
Said Padgett: “He said it was pretty cool [on the visit]. He liked it up there, but it’s up to him. Nobody knows what he’s going to do. He has a lot of options.â€
He added: “It would be pretty good [to play with him again]. He could help the team out on the perimeter.â€
Stephenson said he would like to play with Padgett again at the next level.
“He loves playing with me and he said I always motivate him to play harder in all the games and at practice,†Stephensonn said, “so he said that would be a good look.â€
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Padgett sucks IMO.
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“Hopefully when I win the city championship — hopefully we get there — I’ll name right after that,†Stephenson said.
Announcing at MSG? No better place to say you're bringing college hoops back to NYC!
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“Hopefully when I win the city championship — hopefully we get there — I’ll name right after that,†Stephenson said.
Announcing at MSG? No better place to say you're bringing college hoops back to NYC!
I agree, but first they have to get to the Championship game.
Not sure if that’s a lock at this point in their season!
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He is currently down in Maryland watching the Terps play Miami. My friend, a Maryland fan, called and said Lance called Gary abt coming down to watch a game there. I know Padgett his teammate is committed to the terps. They may be another team to watch out for.
Looks like Gary Williams made a desperation move and opened up the checkbook
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“Hopefully when I win the city championship — hopefully we get there — I’ll name right after that,†Stephenson said.
Announcing at MSG? No better place to say you're bringing college hoops back to NYC!
I agree, but first they have to get to the Championship game.
Not sure if that’s a lock at this point in their season!
Don't worry. Lance will carry Lincoln when it counts and win his record 4th city championship.
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Padgett sucks IMO.
I'd rather have Omari Lawrence in my class than Padgett.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/07/lance-dexter-to-headline-nike-super-6/#more-11399 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/07/lance-dexter-to-headline-nike-super-6/#more-11399)
"Don’t be surprised if he leads Lincoln to the PSAL title on March 21 at Madison Square Garden and then announces amidst all the confetti and celebration that he’ll suit up next year for the Johnnies."
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434 posts on Lance?
Some y'all thinkin he the savin grace.
Think again.
This team doesnt need a saving grace. Just a few top 50 recruits, which Omari and Lance are.
Choz is right --- Lance would def be a great player to have, but you're kidding yourself Baldi if you think we are more than a 9 or 10 seed at BEST even with lance. And then it just gets worse again when he leaves and our sophs graduate. We need a coach - but until we know we are looking for one, Lance is the best option.
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With Lance i promise you this team will have a huge turn around
You've been wrong about everything since you started posting. A promise from you is meaningless--at least when it relates to this team.
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It seems to me that you have a problem with what i think and say and the sad thing is that you are negative about everything and when the program does turn around you will find other things to whine and or complain about, so anything you say is worthless
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Alright guys lets just agree to disagree so stay on topic and if you want continue into I'm right you're wrong please do it via PM. Lets keep discussion on Lance Stephenson here
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You guys should have a cage match with Lance as special guest referee. All proceeds can go toward Norm's buyout.
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Does anyone know why Lance didn't make the Jordan Brand game?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=3897085 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=3897085)
Jordan Classic Rosters
Name Position State College
Kenny Boynton G Fla. Florida
Avery Bradley G Nev. Texas
Dominic Cheek W N.J. Villanova
DeMarcus Cousins F/C Ala. Undecided
Derrick Favors F/C Ga. Georgia Tech
Abdul Gaddy G Wash. Washington
Keith Gallon F/C Va. Oklahoma
Jordan Hamilton W Calif. Texas
Xavier Henry W Okla. Memphis
John Henson F/C Fla. North Carolina
Lamont Jones G Va. Virginia Tech
Wallace Judge F Fla. Kansas State
Tommy Mason-Griffin G Texas Okla.
Alex Oriakhi F/C N.H. UConn
Daniel Orton C Okla. Kentucky
Mason Plumlee F/C N.C. Duke
Durand Scott G N.Y. Miami
Renardo Sidney F Calif. Undecided
John Wall G N.C. Undecided
Royce White W Minn. Minnesota
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Does anyone know why Lance didn't make the Jordan Brand game?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=3897085 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=3897085)
Jordan Classic Rosters
Name Position State College
Kenny Boynton G Fla. Florida
Avery Bradley G Nev. Texas
Dominic Cheek W N.J. Villanova
DeMarcus Cousins F/C Ala. Undecided
Derrick Favors F/C Ga. Georgia Tech
Abdul Gaddy G Wash. Washington
Keith Gallon F/C Va. Oklahoma
Jordan Hamilton W Calif. Texas
Xavier Henry W Okla. Memphis
John Henson F/C Fla. North Carolina
Lamont Jones G Va. Virginia Tech
Wallace Judge F Fla. Kansas State
Tommy Mason-Griffin G Texas Okla.
Alex Oriakhi F/C N.H. UConn
Daniel Orton C Okla. Kentucky
Mason Plumlee F/C N.C. Duke
Durand Scott G N.Y. Miami
Renardo Sidney F Calif. Undecided
John Wall G N.C. Undecided
Royce White W Minn. Minnesota
Not sure if this is the reason, but are these kids only allowed to play in 2 all star games? I think that used to be the rule? Either way, very suprising hes not on that list-Did they release the local rosters yet?
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/10/jordan-brand-selections-mickey-ds-leaking-out/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/10/jordan-brand-selections-mickey-ds-leaking-out/)
The selections for the Jordan Brand Classic were announced Tuesday night on ESPNU and the shocking news is that both Lance Stephenson and North Carolina-bound guard Dexter Strickland did not make the team.
Ironically, the announcements were made on the same night Lance dropped 50 points in front of Maryland Coach Gary Williams.
I can’t imagine why these guys aren’t in it, but it’s a bad job by the folks at Jordan. If it has something to do with Lance wear-testing Under Armour gear for Lincoln, then shame on the Jordan folks.
“Yes, that’s terrible,†Lincoln coach Dwayne “Tiny†Morton wrote in a text message. “I don’t believe that, in New York City at the Garden. He played at their [Nike] camps. He loves Jordan shoes. I know he wanted to play in that game
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Go away Gary Williams
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So far it looks like Lance didn't make the Mcd-All American game either, this is crazy I am picketing at the Jordan game if he choose St.Johns matter of fact the Jungle should follow me!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/10/jordan-brand-selections-mickey-ds-leaking-out/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/10/jordan-brand-selections-mickey-ds-leaking-out/)
Abdul Gaddy, Avery Bradley, Alex Oriakhi, Maalik Wayns, Dominic Cheek, Tommy Mason-Griffin, Kenny Boynton, Ryan Kelly, David & Travis Wear, Xavier Henry, Keith “Tiny†Gallon, Dante Taylor, Wally Judge, DeMarcus Cousins, Dexter Strickland and John Henson.
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Dex Strickland was out for a little bit this season so I can at least justify him not making the game but why not Lance?
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His name probably got cut from the McDonald's list right after he was accused of sexual assault.
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Go away Gary Williams
I have a bad feeling Williams is gonna grab Stephenson in March. The last minute swoop.
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I have a bad feeling Williams is gonna grab Stephenson in March. The last minute swoop.
I do too but the good thing, hopefully this is the final nail in Norm's coffin.
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His name probably got cut from the McDonald's list right after he was accused of sexual assault.
Tyreke Evans was involved in a drive by murder, he played in the game.
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So does $ play a roll in Maryland's recruitment of Lance? Lance has ties with Under Armor which just so happen to sponsor Maryland.
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Your too smart for your own good saying comments like that. :-X
But at the same times the Vice President of a major department for Under Armour graduated from St.johns he spoke at Sport management night in Staten island in November. Someone needs to let Lance know that!
I doubt he goes to MD I really think he will be on a Queens campus in fall 2009.Once Lance said he will decide during the PSAL championship game that told me he has already made his decision.
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Once Lance said he will decide during the PSAL championship game that told me he has already made his decision.
the way Lincoln has been playing, they are no lock to make it to MSG this year..
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I agree but Boys & Girls & Jefferson are not playing great basketball as of late either.
If Lincon makes it to state do they match up with JAMESVILLE-DEWITT, I think they are in a different division right?
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His name probably got cut from the McDonald's list right after he was accused of sexual assault.
Tyreke Evans was involved in a drive by murder, he played in the game.
He was cleared of any wrongdoing, I'm guessing well in advance of the game. Lance's case is still pending, as far as I know. He also didn't have the A-hole reputation that Lance does.
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Once Lance said he will decide during the PSAL championship game that told me he has already made his decision.
Did he actually say that, though? I thought he said he would decide after the game. That doesn't necessarily mean that same day. If he does I think it'll be SJU, but if it's a week later, it could be anyone.
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473 posts on Lance.
Straight up embarrisin', but that all St. John fans got, right? RIGHT?
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473 posts on Lance.
Straight up embarrisin', but that all St. John fans got, right? RIGHT?
I don't get why its embarrassing? I'm providing a free open forum for fans to discuss anything and everything. If you wish to post more, please do so. If you don't want to participate in certain threads then you don't need to either.
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473 posts on Lance.
Straight up embarrisin', but that all St. John fans got, right? RIGHT?
I don't get why its embarrassing? I'm providing a free open forum for fans to discuss anything and everything. If you wish to post more, please do so. If you don't want to participate in certain threads then you don't need to either.
First off you know I got respct fo you and the boards. No doubt.
What straight up embarrissin is not y'all talking bout Lance.
What straight up embarrissin is that the Lance pipedream is all the St. John fan got goin nowadays.
St. John fans' attention, love and thought at this time of the year use to be on they team 'cause they team was relevant and competin.
But St. John administration has given y'all nuthin to cheer bout fo years. YEARS MY BROTHERS!
So now the St. John fan can only focus on the narrow, narrow chance that Lance come and actually aclimate his game to a team concept so the team could win.
It straight up revoltin.
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473 posts on Lance.
Straight up embarrisin', but that all St. John fans got, right? RIGHT?
I don't get why its embarrassing? I'm providing a free open forum for fans to discuss anything and everything. If you wish to post more, please do so. If you don't want to participate in certain threads then you don't need to either.
First off you know I got respct fo you and the boards. No doubt.
What straight up embarrissin is not y'all talking bout Lance.
What straight up embarrissin is that the Lance pipedream is all the St. John fan got goin nowadays.
St. John fans' attention, love and thought at this time of the year use to be on they team 'cause they team was relevant and competin.
But St. John administration has given y'all nuthin to cheer bout fo years. YEARS MY BROTHERS!
So now the St. John fan can only focus on the narrow, narrow chance that Lance come and actually aclimate his game to a team concept so the team could win.
It straight up revoltin.
I don't think there is anyone happy about the current state of the program and we can all agree we want better. Do you think landing Lance helps improve the program? I'm not making him out to be the messiah of the program but simply are we better program with Lance than without?
I'd encourage more and more talk about Lance. I think anything that gives St. John's fans something to be excited about is a good thing. I also feel St. John's need to remain realistic when participating in discussion and debate but I never try to curb one's enthusiasm in regards to wanting a recruit to come here.
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473 posts on Lance.
Straight up embarrisin', but that all St. John fans got, right? RIGHT?
I guess we should start some more Norm threads? ::)
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473 posts on Lance.
Straight up embarrisin', but that all St. John fans got, right? RIGHT?
I don't get why its embarrassing? I'm providing a free open forum for fans to discuss anything and everything. If you wish to post more, please do so. If you don't want to participate in certain threads then you don't need to either.
First off you know I got respct fo you and the boards. No doubt.
What straight up embarrissin is not y'all talking bout Lance.
What straight up embarrissin is that the Lance pipedream is all the St. John fan got goin nowadays.
St. John fans' attention, love and thought at this time of the year use to be on they team 'cause they team was relevant and competin.
But St. John administration has given y'all nuthin to cheer bout fo years. YEARS MY BROTHERS!
So now the St. John fan can only focus on the narrow, narrow chance that Lance come and actually aclimate his game to a team concept so the team could win.
It straight up revoltin.
I don't think there is anyone happy about the current state of the program and we can all agree we want better. Do you think landing Lance helps improve the program? I'm not making him out to be the messiah of the program but simply are we better program with Lance than without?
I'd encourage more and more talk about Lance. I think anything that gives St. John's fans something to be excited about is a good thing. I also feel St. John's need to remain realistic when participating in discussion and debate but I never try to curb one's enthusiasm in regards to wanting a recruit to come here.
We have never had an elite player under the Norm tenure --- but if Lance takes the shoot shoot shoot green light that Mase has had...we won't win cr@p.
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Dex Strickland was out for a little bit this season so I can at least justify him not making the game but why not Lance?
Strickland was suspended, while John Wall is technically a fifth year. My guess would be his long running character issues or the sexual assault charge.
You brought up an interesting point to be concerned about the aggressiveness of Kevin Plank, the founder of UA.
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Does anyone have Rivals they have an article on why Lance didn't make the Jordan team but it is for members only
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Does anyone have Rivals they have an article on why Lance didn't make the Jordan team but it is for members only
Doesn't give distinct reason but sites the under armor conspiracy theory and mentions that this might be the reason why he visited and now interested in Maryland.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/12/lance-to-visit-kansas/#more-11700 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/12/lance-to-visit-kansas/#more-11700)
visiting kansas.
imo, he is just visiting kansas because the university pays for official visits. if i was a betting man, he lands at STJ. why announce @ MSG that your attending Kansas?
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/12/lance-to-visit-kansas/#more-11700 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/12/lance-to-visit-kansas/#more-11700)
visiting kansas.
imo, he is just visiting kansas because the university pays for official visits. if i was a betting man, he lands at STJ. why announce @ MSG that your attending Kansas?
I really really hope you are right. We need Lance bad.
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the way Lincoln has been playing, they are no lock to make it to MSG this year..
Lincoln is playing a national against the top programs in the country. Unfortunately, they only have one great player that can compete at that level. Many of those opponents have multiple impact D1 players. The PSAL is mediocre. Most of the best NYC players are in the CHSAA. Lincoln will likely sleepwalk their way to the Garden unless Lance is injured or has a really bad game. That's unlikely to happen.
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Looks like Lance and Strickland are in the game:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/13/lance-talks-kansas-jordan-game-stephenson-strickland-chosen-mcdonalds-all-americans/#more-11807 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/13/lance-talks-kansas-jordan-game-stephenson-strickland-chosen-mcdonalds-all-americans/#more-11807)
STRICKLAND, STEPHENSON GOING TO MICKEY D’S
As for the Jordan Brand Classic and McDonald’s All-American Games, both Stephenson and Strickland were left off the former, but made the latter.
“I think McDonald’s is more important than anything,†Stephenson said. “If I didn’t make the McDonald’s I’d be more mad, but the McDonald’s I’m happy to be in it.â€
Strickland said he was “surprised†that he wasn’t chosen for the Jordan Brand game, but “I just moved on from it.â€
“I just look at it as other players getting an opportunity to showcase their talent,†Strickland said. “But God Bless anyone making it.
“But I’ll have an opportunity to play in the McDonald’s All-American Game.â€
As reported here earlier, the Senior Showcase in Orlando on April 18 has also reached out to both players, along with Villanova-bound guard Maalik Wayns, to play in their event.
“We’d love to have Lance, Dexter and Maalik,†said Sean Russell, publisher of Faaz Magazine, the title sponsor of the showcase.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/15/lance-sets-new-york-scoring-record/#more-11933 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/15/lance-sets-new-york-scoring-record/#more-11933)
Stephenson recently took an official visit to Maryland and his father, Lance Stephenson Sr., told The Washington Post that he could envision his son leaving New York for college.
“Coming from New York, the fans just want to see a show every night; there’s no real support,†Lance Sr. said. “He wants to go to a place where the fans are behind him.â€
Several recruiting experts say don’t think Stephenson would be a good fit with Maryland coach Gary Williams, a task-master who won the 2002 national championship but is facing serious heat for his recruiting failures in recent years.
“Lance is not in a position to pick his school,†Jerry Meyer, the national recruiting analyst for Rivals, told The Washington Post. “There are schools that didn’t want to mess with him. That’s the irony of Gary Williams recruiting him. It sounds like a match made in hell to me.
“Gary Williams, as we all know, is being maligned for his lack of recruiting. Maybe he sees this as a chance to get the monkey off his back. He has a chance to land a consensus top 10 prospect. It’s like he’s going for broke.â€
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Top-10 prospect Lance Stephenson put his name in the New York State record book, passing Sebastian Telfair as the state's all-time scoring leader on Sunday. On the recruiting front the New York Lincoln star has a couple new schools in his top five list as he heads toward an official visit to Kansas.
Lance Stephenson will be in Lawrence, Kan., this weekend.
UCLA and Wake Forest now join Kansas, St. John's and Maryland on Stephenson's school list. According to Stephenson, he will visit both UCLA and Wake Forest after the season.
This weekend Kansas will try to make a favorable impression on Stephenson like Maryland did when Stephenson visited College Park, Md.
"I had fun down in Maryland," Stephenson said. "I had a chance to meet the coach and the players. They play up and down and that's the way I like it. Coach [Gary] Williams said he wanted to use me as a go-to player."
Stephenson has also spent time on the St. John's campus in an unofficial capacity.
Sunday was a big day for the physical wing scorer. Along with breaking Telfair's state scoring record, Stephenson's Lincoln squad beat Jefferson High School 81-61 for the PSAL Brooklyn Championship. Stephenson made it clear that his focus was on getting a championship and not the record.
"I wasn't thinking about the record," said Stephenson, who now has 2,808 points in his career. "I was focused on just playing my game and getting a city championship. Now we start the real playoffs. We're playing well and have a chance to win the state."
The more I read about him changing school's on his list, the less I think he will commit to St. John's. I don't think the kid knows what he wants. He is probably changing his mind on a daily basis!!!
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We've been down this road a million times in the Norm era. For two years everyone thought we would land Syl...some even guaranteed it. We were close with Casaan Breden, Fields, and Leo Criswell and so many other locals that kept STJ in their top five with four other teams changing almost weekly.
We didn't get any of them.
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I don't think the admin should use the "if we get Lance, then Norm stays" excuse. But if we lose out on Lance, that has to be the Final Straw!!!
My perfect end of March would be, preparing for fantasy baseball drafts, watching the NCAA tourney with buddies, and reading about who the Johnnies are interviewing for Norm's replacement!!!!
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Lance Stephenson told Jerry Meyer of Rivals that he would like to visit UCLA and Wake Forest before making a final decision, but no visit dates have been set
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http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090222&content_id=1492352&oid=2&vkey=21 (http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090222&content_id=1492352&oid=2&vkey=21)
Lance Stephenson, the No. 1 prospect in the Class of 2009 out of Brooklyn Lincoln High School, took an official visit to Kansas this weekend. He has already visited Maryland and is also considering St. John's, USC and UCLA. St. John's coaches are attempting to set up an official visit in the near future but none has been set.
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How come Lance isnt on the local roster for the Jordan Brand game? Would that be a step down I guess?
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Lance was in the first row on the baseline tonight. He caught a t-shirt but didn't seem to be having too much fun. A few students went up to him and talked to him until they were told to get lost by security.
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Lance said he likes :-* Wakeforest because they have a good group of big men & that is the same reason why he likes the Jayhawks because of the twins that is not a good sign for us. Our C & PF position are one of our weak points :'(.That scares me to know he actually watches college basketball.
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Lance said he likes :-* Wakeforest because they have a good group of big men & that is the same reason why he likes the Jayhawks because of the twins that is not a good sign for us. Our C & PF position are one of our weak points :'(.That scares me to know he actually watches college basketball.
Evans and Burrell are not the weak point of our team shooting is and Lance would cure that quickly. Replace Kennedy with Mason and Boothe with Lance and we are bsting that zone
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Does anyone else think that last nights game will be the sole reason that Lance doesnt come here?
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Does anyone else think that last nights game will be the sole reason that Lance doesnt come here?
He has said before last nights game that he want to be a part of bring St John's back.
The fact that he likes playing at MSG is in our favor, but last night did not help.
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hes not considering STJ because of norm.
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i'd say he'd come if he had a coach who could take him to the next level. I'm not convinced he believes norm's the guy.
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i'd say he'd come if he had a coach who could take him to the next level. I'm not convinced he believes norm's the guy.
When you go by the name "Born Ready" I do not think you you look for anyone to take you to the next level. You take yourself.
Lance likes the big stage and there will be no bigger stage then leading St. John's back to the top of the Big East.
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Lance said he likes :-* Wakeforest because they have a good group of big men & that is the same reason why he likes the Jayhawks because of the twins that is not a good sign for us. Our C & PF position are one of our weak points :'(.That scares me to know he actually watches college basketball.
Evans and Burrell are not the weak point of our team shooting is and Lance would cure that quickly. Replace Kennedy with Mason and Boothe with Lance and we are bsting that zone
We don't have the type of big men you can dump the ball into & they can do a post move. They are good role players but not like the dominate big men in Wake & Kansas.
Lance said he is down to 3 in the scout article does anyone know what 3?
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http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=917736 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=917736)
I do like Maryland's chances, though, to land Stephenson. Maryland has some positive energy going. Washington, D.C., is a large metropolitan area that is accessible from New York City. And I haven't seen or heard any type of refutation of the Stephenson-Under Armour-Maryland connection.
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although i've said stj would be a good fit. i'm really starting to think kansas would be perfect for him.
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maryland is probably out because williams has been dissing the aau.
maybe self will throw norm a bone....not that norm ever did anything for self except ride his coattails.
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http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/ncaa#?eref=fromSI (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/ncaa#?eref=fromSI)
When Lance Stephenson and his parents came to the area in late January for an official visit to the University of Maryland, the high school basketball standout from Brooklyn, N.Y., was courted by two suitors. His itinerary included not just attending a Maryland home game and meeting Terrapins coaches, but also a visit to the Under Armour athletic apparel company in Baltimore. Maryland wanted the heralded guard to be the centerpiece of a recruiting class that would help make the Terrapins a contender in the ACC in the 2009-10 season. At the same time, industry sources said, Under Armour wanted to build a relationship with Stephenson so he would become part of its fledgling basketball shoe division if he reaches the NBA. The most elite high school basketball players are often recruited by shoe companies, but rarely is a company also a major benefactor of a university pursuing the same player. Under Armour founder and chief executive Kevin Plank is a former Maryland football player and member of the school's Board of Trustees. That means the NCAA considers him a "representative of the institution's athletics interests," commonly known as a booster. Under Armour Inc. is acknowledged by Maryland as a member of its "Legends" benefactor group, meaning it has donated more than $1 million to the school. NCAA recruiting bylaws can make such an arrangement dicey. A Maryland official said the school, after being asked by a Washington Post reporter about Under Armour's relationship with Stephenson, is investigating the case to determine whether any NCAA rules have been violated. The official said the school plans to speak to Under Armour personnel tomorrow.
Washington Post
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although i've said stj would be a good fit. i'm really starting to think kansas would be perfect for him.
The biggest negative that Kansas has going for them is that they play in Kansas—and if you've ever been there, you know that it's as crappy as this country gets.
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although i've said stj would be a good fit. i'm really starting to think kansas would be perfect for him.
The biggest negative that Kansas has going for them is that they play in Kansas—and if you've ever been there, you know that it's as crappy as this country gets.
I've been in every state in the union.
I'd rather spend my winters in Lawrence, which is essentially a suburb of Kansas City, than depressing Syracuse.
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although i've said stj would be a good fit. i'm really starting to think kansas would be perfect for him.
The biggest negative that Kansas has going for them is that they play in Kansas—and if you've ever been there, you know that it's as crappy as this country gets.
I've been in every state in the union.
I'd rather spend my winters in Lawrence, which is essentially a suburb of Kansas City, than depressing Syracuse.
Syracuse...I spent a month there one night.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/02/maryland-reviewing-lance-related-ncaa-violations/#more-12716 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/02/maryland-reviewing-lance-related-ncaa-violations/#more-12716)
The University of Maryland is investigating potential NCAA violations connected to Lance Stephenson’s official visit to campus last month.
The Washington Post on Sunday reported that Maryland may have violated NCAA rules by allowing Stephenson, the 6-foot-5 star out of Brooklyn Lincoln, and his family to take a tour of the Under Armour facilities in Baltimore. Under Armour is owned and run by Kevin Plank, a former Maryland football player and member of the school’s Board of Trustees. (Plank is pictured at center, courtesy the AP).
The story also reported that Byron Mouton, a former Maryland basketball player, spoke to Stephenson and encouraged him to come to the program, a potential violation of NCAA recruiting practices.
The University issued the following statement on its Website.
“The coaches and staff of Maryland Athletics are diligent in regards to following NCAA rules and regulations. We have worked for many years with numerous corporate partners and sponsors, including Under Armour, to provide them with comprehensive rules education support. Our business relationship with Under Armour, as the department’s exclusive apparel provider, is a relationship common throughout collegiate athletics.
“Per the University’s normal compliance review policy, which includes University legal counsel and faculty athletic representative participation, allegations of improprieties are reviewed whenever anything is brought to our attention. The review related to Byron Mouton’s recent, public comments in the Washington Post, regarding conversation with a recruit during his visit to campus, is in process. The contact was reported to the Atlantic Coast Conference, per standard procedure. If this situation did occur as described in the Post story of March 1st, it would most likely be a minor violation, per NCAA rules, not likely impacting the eligibility and/or recruitment of the recruit.
“As the campus review process for both of these situations is ongoing, there can be no further comment from Maryland Athletics in order to best ensure the integrity of the process.â€
Stephenson is considering Maryland, Kansas and St. John’s and says he could announce March 21 after the PSAL championship game at Madison Square Garden
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I've been in every state in the union.
that is pretty cool.. i bet not a lot of people can say that
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I've been in every state in the union.
that is pretty cool.. i bet not a lot of people can say that
Thanks. There are a lot of people that tend not to get out of their region or even state. I've tried to explore and experience this great country of ours.
As for Lance, I don't know how serious of a player Kansas is, but Self is one of the most effective recruiters in the country.
http://theshiver.com/2009/02/ill-be-back-lance-stephenson-talks-kansas/ (http://theshiver.com/2009/02/ill-be-back-lance-stephenson-talks-kansas/)
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"However, Lance does have a date in mind to make his announcement.
“April 15,†said Stephenson.
April 15th certainly won’t come fast enough for Kansas fans as the highly regarded player from New York has one of the most anticipated decsions in recent memory."
I thought he was announcing march 21st?
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"However, Lance does have a date in mind to make his announcement.
“April 15,†said Stephenson.
April 15th certainly won’t come fast enough for Kansas fans as the highly regarded player from New York has one of the most anticipated decsions in recent memory."
I thought he was announcing march 21st?
as far as im concerned, the longer it takes him to announce, the less of a chance we have.
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I heard Lance changed it to April 15th to make sure guilt wouldn't get the better of him and prompt him to declare Maryland's payoff on his tax return.
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/03082009/sports/college/stephenson_puts_on_show_for_sju_staff_158530.htm (http://www.nypost.com/seven/03082009/sports/college/stephenson_puts_on_show_for_sju_staff_158530.htm)
St. John's had the welcoming committee out in full force for Lance Stephenson yesterday when the Lincoln senior played his first game on the SJU campus this year.
Norm Roberts, several assistants and players stood near the court for the duration of top-seeded Lincoln's surprisingly close 86-80 win over No. 9 Transit Tech in the PSAL AA quarterfinals. The three-time defending champs advanced to next Sunday's semifinals, where they will meet No. 4 Boys & Girls, a 63-51 winner over No. 12 Edison.
So, what kind of show did Roberts & Co. see last night from the coveted recruit?
Stephenson scored a game-high 28 points, but lacked some of the dominance that he has displayed at times during his four-year career at the Coney Island school. Still, he was good - and perhaps just as importantly - the demonstrativeness that occasionally has marred his game - arguing with teammates and officials, among other things - was largely absent.
"I had fun," said Stephenson, trying to help Lincoln become the first team in PSAL history to win four straight titles. "This was my first time on their new court, and I wanted to play well."
And he admitted that he is feeling the effects of being just two wins from history.
"There's a lot of pressure," Stephenson said. "Everyone knows what we're going for, and they don't want to let me get there."
Last night, Transit Tech put up a fight, staying in the game throughout. Lincoln figures to be in for another battle in the semis, taking on Boys & Girls, one of the few city teams that has shown it can beat Lincoln.
The teams met for the PSAL title in each of the past two years, and coach Ruth Lovelace thinks next week's game, also at St. John's, could be to his team's advantage.
"It might be good not to play at the Garden," Lovelace said with a laugh, her team filled with five new starters from a year ago. "Mix it up a little bit."
Second-seeded JFK also advanced to the semis, thanks in part to the coaching of Johnny Mathis, who has his players believing that the Knights can win it all for the first time since 2005.
JFK beat Lincoln in that championship game, the last time the Railsplitters didn't capture the title. Lincoln responded by ending the Knights' season with playoff wins each of the past three years.
"Other coaches don't have his experience," said Naquan Pierce, who scored 38 points as the Knights squeaked by No. 10 McKee, 85-81, in OT. "He's won championships. He's beaten Lincoln. There's no one else around who can say that they've done what he's done."
All while battling diabetes, which has cost him six toes to amputation.
"I've never thought of giving it up," said Mathis, 64. "Coaching keeps me young. It keeps me going."
Next up is No. 3 Jefferson, which knocked off sixth-seeded Forest Hills, 70-59, getting 24 points from Joel Wright and 19 from Keith Spellman.
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lance to maryland..
the show is over folks.
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lance to maryland..
the show is over folks.
Coming from a Seton Hall fan.... Yeah, right!
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lance to maryland..
the show is over folks.
Heavy lean? or he's already committed?
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lance to maryland..
the show is over folks.
Heavy lean? or he's already committed?
It was a spam post, jumpinjohnny.
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i heard he already made his decision. he didn't "officially" commit.
my gut feeling tells me he's waiting because of the maryland allegations and he wants to make sure they are clear.
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Wait, youre a freshman and SHU and you have sources?
Edit: Youre not even a freshman...
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I read but NEVER post...but Lance has NOT even come close to deciding on MD...I know Sr. well and this post is garbage. And will somebody please fore Norm. Thank you and good-bye.
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i heard it on saturday and i read it on a message board today... doesn't mean it's right but don't make it sound like i'm pulling it out of my ass..
http://nyhoops.com/msgboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=787 (http://nyhoops.com/msgboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=787)
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I don't doubt that's what you heard but call it what it is...a rumor.
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lance to maryland..
the show is over folks.
Is this the same source who told you in your high school hallway that Lance was going to China and Chaz was de-committing from Hofstra? Those sources were impeccable
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no. i did hear it. he told me. he's a reputable source too.
and they aren't the same sources, dave. nor are they the same sources to tell me that stith was going to decommit on signing day.
we shall see what happens...
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no. i did hear it. he told me. he's a reputable source too.
and they aren't the same sources, dave. nor are they the same sources to tell me that stith was going to decommit on signing day.
we shall see what happens...
So first you heard, then you read it on message boards, and now you're saying Lance told you. Right!
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ok dave.
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ok dave.
Where's your quote. Print it if he said it.
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Whatever. We'll see; it stands to reason that an 18 year old baller's gonna change his mind a time or two, no matter what anyone's sources say.
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did Lincoln win this weekend?
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of course.
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Dave, I know this isn't on the recruiting section, but he is more than a recruit for us.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/24/exclusive-lance-stephenson-interview/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/02/24/exclusive-lance-stephenson-interview/)
Interesting how excited he was talking about Kansas and St. John's, but not Maryland.
He says he still plans to announce on the 21st. Four days!
He will make his announcement in a presser after the game by picking a hit and putting it on. Historically, this method has not worked out for St. John's, but you have to love a NYC kid announcing in the Garden after winning the city championship.
My gut tells me Kansas, but I think St. John's has a puncher's chance.
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The interview was done a few weeks ago. As of now, it's still up in the air as to whether he'll make his announcement on Saturday or not.
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The interview was done a few weeks ago. As of now, it's still up in the air as to whether he'll make his announcement on Saturday or not.
I get the impression that he will only announce if they win.
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He already knows where he is going. He said it would be a surprise, whatever that means. Assuming he already knows what school, If he announces after they win in MSG I think it's us. What does he have to gain by announcing Kansas and Maryland over us at our place?
IF he doesnt announce after the game (assuming they win) I think it wont be us. There is no better place to announce you are attending STJ then MSG after a 4th straight city title.
Only time will tell...
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He already knows where he is going. He said it would be a surprise, whatever that means. Assuming he already knows what school, If he announces after they win in MSG I think it's us. What does he have to gain by announcing Kansas and Maryland over us at our place?
IF he doesnt announce after the game (assuming they win) I think it wont be us. There is no better place to announce you are attending STJ then MSG after a 4th straight city title.
Only time will tell...
I agree.
I think what doesn't bode well for us is that he does have his mind made up and the announcement is only four days away, but nobody here knows. You'd think he would at least inform Norm so he can be there for the announcement. If Norm knew, it would only be hours before we all did.
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Yea, whatever happens Norm better be there Sat. unless the CBI stuff gets in the way. I know in the interview (which was in Feb) he said he will announce the 21st but my friend, a die hard Maryland fan, are all under the impression that he will announce April 15th. This according to some interview with him or his father on one of the Maryland websites (i will try to find a link).
IF this is the case it's prob game over, unless Lance is waiting til a schollie opens up from us before he announces.
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Who said Lance has his mind made up? Who said he doesn't have his mind made up? You can speculate but lets not assume anything.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/11/danny-manning-recruiting-lance/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/11/danny-manning-recruiting-lance/)
Half way it appears he already made up his mind. "It's going to be a surprise." That's the assumption that he knows.
The msg stuff if he announces or doesnt is pure speculation looking at the situation logically.
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felipe lopez did the hat thing when he announced he was coming here.
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Who said Lance has his mind made up? Who said he doesn't have his mind made up? You can speculate but lets not assume anything.
I believe it has been printed. I don't have the energy to find it now, but I've definately read that somewhere.
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Who said Lance has his mind made up? Who said he doesn't have his mind made up? You can speculate but lets not assume anything.
"It's going to be a surprise," said Stephenson, who has gone on official recruiting visits to Kansas and Maryland, but also is considering St. John's. There's an outside chance he could end up playing overseas, and there's a real chance he may have to reschedule his announcement.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/03/10/2009-03-10_boys__girls_in_way_of_lance_stephensons_.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/03/10/2009-03-10_boys__girls_in_way_of_lance_stephensons_.html)
i'm almost positive his mind is made up...
and i have heard he may wait until april to announce.
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Who said Lance has his mind made up? Who said he doesn't have his mind made up? You can speculate but lets not assume anything.
"It's going to be a surprise," said Stephenson, who has gone on official recruiting visits to Kansas and Maryland, but also is considering St. John's. There's an outside chance he could end up playing overseas, and there's a real chance he may have to reschedule his announcement.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/03/10/2009-03-10_boys__girls_in_way_of_lance_stephensons_.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/03/10/2009-03-10_boys__girls_in_way_of_lance_stephensons_.html)
i'm almost positive his mind is made up...
and i have heard he may wait until april to announce.
I just spoke to my mailman, he says Lance might be coming to St Johns or he might go to a differnet school. Hes also thought about the NBA and playing overseas...
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hilarious man. i really can't stop laughing.
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http://www.fiveborosports.com/ssp/news?news_id=1965 (http://www.fiveborosports.com/ssp/news?news_id=1965)
1. Lincoln (21-10) (Last week: 2)
Life sure is good for Lance Stephenson. Danny Manning comes to watch him play. He chats with Jay-Z after victories. Oh, and there is this: with a win Saturday, he becomes the first player to ever win four city championships.
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he said it would be a surprise, and hes announcing at the garden...would stand to reason hes gonna pick us...kids his age are idiots though, so who knows
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April 1st is the new announcement date.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/17/stephenson-to-announce-at-mcdonalds-game/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/17/stephenson-to-announce-at-mcdonalds-game/)
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April 1st is the new announcement date.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/17/stephenson-to-announce-at-mcdonalds-game/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/17/stephenson-to-announce-at-mcdonalds-game/)
Danny Manning mu$t have made $ome impre$$ion
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I do not think this is good for us.
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national stage for a national program...born ready going top the land of dorothy and toto...hello kansas
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I don't really see it being a significance for either. I think Lance just wants to steal the spotlight of the mickey d's game. Hopefully Kansas signs John Wall and we can all be put at ease.
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i disagree, i would be very excited if i were a kansas fan. but i hope i'm wrong.
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not that surprised...
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not that surprised...
lance to maryland..
the show is over folks.
Not that surprised ???
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this is the most important coin flip in STJ basketball history.
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not that surprised...
lance to maryland..
the show is over folks.
Not that surprised ???
not thatsurprised about it being moved to the donanlds all american game.
i'm not buying ku or stj. i'll find out sat.
and the most improtant coin flip is: is norm fired or not. not lance.
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http://www.zagsblog.com (http://www.zagsblog.com)
Under Armor wasnt enough, Maryland Out....He will now announce at the Mdaa game. Although one less team...I still dont like that he is not announcing this Sat. For some reason it just doesnt make sense if its us. Hopefully Im wrong!!!
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originally supposed to announce at the garden which favored us, now at all american game, which doesnt...maybe he was picking us and changed his mind...maybe hes waiting to see if we get killed by richmond if norms still here...you know, ill never root against this team but if we lose lance and get killed by richmond and those two things result in a norm firing, then ill still be in heaven
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assuming they win. i'll ask lance if maryland is in the running..
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assuming they win. i'll ask lance if maryland is in the running..
Better yet, ask him if hes coming to St johns
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Dag we have been down this rode before with Sylven , I hate this stress >:(
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I don't see how announcing it at the mickey d's game is against or favor. I don't think its really any pro/con for anyone. If he picks St. John's and they televise it on ESPN then its huge for us.
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Wow. I guess my inference in the post earlier about Lance not sounding excited about Maryland was on target!
Dave, I unerstand your P.O.V., but I think announcing after the NYC championship in our arena would have heavily favored us. I do not like the waiting until the McDonald's game.
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Wow. I guess my inference in the post earlier about Lance not sounding excited about Maryland was on target!
Dave, I unerstand your P.O.V., but I think announcing after the NYC championship in our arena would have heavily favored us. I do not like the waiting until the McDonald's game.
I don't disagree there that it would be to our advantage to have the announcement at MSG but I don't think its to our disadvantage having it at Micky D's game.
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Wow. I guess my inference in the post earlier about Lance not sounding excited about Maryland was on target!
Dave, I unerstand your P.O.V., but I think announcing after the NYC championship in our arena would have heavily favored us. I do not like the waiting until the McDonald's game.
I don't disagree there that it would be to our advantage to have the announcement at MSG but I don't think its to our disadvantage having it at Micky D's game.
This kid says he loves NYC, maybe he'll show that after that game and make a scene
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Wow. I guess my inference in the post earlier about Lance not sounding excited about Maryland was on target!
Dave, I unerstand your P.O.V., but I think announcing after the NYC championship in our arena would have heavily favored us. I do not like the waiting until the McDonald's game.
unfortunately I agree :'( , he would of did it at the Garden if he was coming here. But sports are all about surprises that is why we follow. Every time I look at the Born Ready Photo on the site in a SJU uniform he looks tailor made for Stephenson
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643)
New article, nothing new or surprising....
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643)
New article, nothing new or surprising....
yes there is..
Stephenson said he will attend either “St. John’s, Maryland [or] Kansas†and that he talks with coaches from each school every day.
i told you guys. maryland is not out of it...
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643)
New article, nothing new or surprising....
yes there is..
Stephenson said he will attend either “St. John’s, Maryland [or] Kansas†and that he talks with coaches from each school every day.
i told you guys. maryland is not out of it...
But Zags followed it up with this...
A source close to his inner circle told me Tuesday night that Stephenson, ranked No. 1 in the Class of 2009 by the Hoop Scoop and No. 9 by Rivals, would likely end up at either Kansas or St. John’s and that Maryland was basically out of the running.
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he's sayign taht cover himself from saying umd is not in the race...
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643)
New article, nothing new or surprising....
yes there is..
Stephenson said he will attend either “St. John’s, Maryland [or] Kansas†and that he talks with coaches from each school every day.
i told you guys. maryland is not out of it...
But Zags followed it up with this...
A source close to his inner circle told me Tuesday night that Stephenson, ranked No. 1 in the Class of 2009 by the Hoop Scoop and No. 9 by Rivals, would likely end up at either Kansas or St. John’s and that Maryland was basically out of the running.
that was tuesday nite, today is wed.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643)
New article, nothing new or surprising....
yes there is..
Stephenson said he will attend either “St. John’s, Maryland [or] Kansas†and that he talks with coaches from each school every day.
i told you guys. maryland is not out of it...
But Zags followed it up with this...
A source close to his inner circle told me Tuesday night that Stephenson, ranked No. 1 in the Class of 2009 by the Hoop Scoop and No. 9 by Rivals, would likely end up at either Kansas or St. John’s and that Maryland was basically out of the running.
that was tuesday nite, today is wed.
Wow...thanks I had no idea today was Wednesday.
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he's sayign taht cover himself from saying umd is not in the race...
Or maybe he's implying that even though Lance says Maryland is in the running they're really not.
What are you worried about? I though the party was over! :-X
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with our luck, he signs, then gets injured first game...it wouldnt be st johns basketball unless something bad immediately followed something good
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http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/recruit-makes-decision-but-hes-not-telling/ (http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/recruit-makes-decision-but-hes-not-telling/)
“I want a coach that’s going to push me, the players surrounding me are good, and I just want to have a chance to win the tournament,†Stephenson said at a Garden news conference to promote the P.S.A.L. AA boys and girls title games. “So I’m picking by that.â€
When told that St. John’s did not seem close to being able to win the N.C.A.A. tournament, Stephenson laughed and said, “I don’t want to talk about college talk no more.â€
Stephenson is the state’s career boys scoring leader and is ranked as the eighth-best prospect in the Class of 2009 by ESPNU. He said he continued to call all three finalists regularly because “maybe I could change my mind.†But asked if that really could happen, he said, “I think I’m set.â€
Speculate away, all.
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Sounds like Kansas if that's his priority list.
He already mentioned how he thinks Self could be the coach to push him....and Kansas is better than Maryland and St. John's in the other 2 categories(players and chance of winning).
Also disappointing we never got him on campus for an official visit. (I know I know he's been there unofficially a bunch of times.)
I can't believe we have to wait 2 more weeks. >:(
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I'm not convinced we're out of the running.... Everybody can speculate for the next two weeks, but none of us will actually know 'til the day of the Mickey D's game.
Stephenson will make a bigger splash for himself and St. John's by announcing on national tv. 'Ya just never know! Stay in NYC, Stephenson!
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http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/recruit-makes-decision-but-hes-not-telling/ (http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/recruit-makes-decision-but-hes-not-telling/)
“I want a coach that’s going to push me, the players surrounding me are good, and I just want to have a chance to win the tournament,†Stephenson said at a Garden news conference to promote the P.S.A.L. AA boys and girls title games. “So I’m picking by that.â€
When told that St. John’s did not seem close to being able to win the N.C.A.A. tournament, Stephenson laughed and said, “I don’t want to talk about college talk no more.â€
Stephenson is the state’s career boys scoring leader and is ranked as the eighth-best prospect in the Class of 2009 by ESPNU. He said he continued to call all three finalists regularly because “maybe I could change my mind.†But asked if that really could happen, he said, “I think I’m set.â€
Speculate away, all.
How do you know what tourney he meant? Maybe he ment the CBI?
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I don't see how announcing it at the mickey d's game is against or favor. I don't think its really any pro/con for anyone. If he picks St. John's and they televise it on ESPN then its huge for us.
I actually think it would be better for the team if he announces St. John's at the Mickey D's game. Although, I can understand why everyone is skeptical of the switch in days.
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i think him not setting up an official visit to us hurts our chances
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i think him not setting up an official visit to us hurts our chances
Kid has been to St. john's many many times and has played at Carnesecca at least twice this year.
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Some folks in Maryland...are very, very confident that he is going there. Supposedly a member of the Maryland staff leaked it to the guy who runs the site Jeff Ermann.
http://www.terpcenter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9642 (http://www.terpcenter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9642)
Of course Kansas is confident too but the Terp fans are downright arrogant.
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when is the McDonalds game?
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when is the McDonalds game?
4/1
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I hope he puts on a Maryland hat on and say April fools and then puts on a St. John's hat.
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I hope he puts on a Maryland hat on and say April fools and then puts on a St. John's hat.
I'll gladly lend him my SJU shirt...
my UnderArmour SJU shirt that is!!!
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643)
" base my decision on the players surrounding me, the coach and wherever I feel comfortable at.â€
He later added: “I just want to have a chance to win the tournament, so I’m picking by that.â€
I never thought Sylven Landesberg wanted to come to SJU I kind of knew he wanted to get away from NY, so I was not stressing him. However, I think Lance actually wants to bring SJU back but he knows this is not the best situation for him. The coaching staffs does not develop players which is a huge negative for someone who has NBA aspirations & the SJU players don't match his skill set. We don't have the shooters he would need when double ,we don't have a tradition post player with post moves on this team that he can dump the ball down to when he gets tired & most importantly we don't have a PG that can get the ball over half court consistently & get us in our sets so he can maximize on his playing ability.
As of today If he choose KU I would not even be upset with him because I understand this is not a good fit for him.If he was a PG or C I would be very angry with him, because I see the fit & the need.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/18/lance-stephenson-has-decided/#more-13643)
" base my decision on the players surrounding me, the coach and wherever I feel comfortable at.â€
He later added: “I just want to have a chance to win the tournament, so I’m picking by that.â€
This quote makes it obvious. We got NO chance at Lance.
It's time for all the supporters to give it up. We need a new coach. Season is over - and it was a mediocre season AT best - and could have ended fine with a nice little run but then getting blown out by an NCAA team - but by ending it with a loss to Richmond in the CBI it just put a damper on all that was built at the end. We need a new coach. Now. NOW.
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I don't really see it being a significance for either. I think Lance just wants to steal the spotlight of the mickey d's game. Hopefully Kansas signs John Wall and we can all be put at ease.
Short of my life, I will bet any amount that John Wall will not wind up at Kansas.
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I don't really see it being a significance for either. I think Lance just wants to steal the spotlight of the mickey d's game. Hopefully Kansas signs John Wall and we can all be put at ease.
Short of my life, I will bet any amount that John Wall will not wind up at Kansas.
It's more wishful thinking on my part.
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I don't see how announcing it at the mickey d's game is against or favor. I don't think its really any pro/con for anyone. If he picks St. John's and they televise it on ESPN then its huge for us.
I actually think it would be better for the team if he announces St. John's at the Mickey D's game. Although, I can understand why everyone is skeptical because he switched the announcement in date.
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I hope he puts on a Maryland hat on and say April fools and then puts on a St. John's hat.
more like he says st johns, then puts on a maryland hat, and points and laughs at the st johns fans in attendance
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Lance Stephenson will make his college announcement March 31 in Miami, according to the McDonald’s All-American media relations folks.
“We are excited to report that Lance Stephenson, the highly recruited 6-5 senior guard from Brooklyn, NY, is set to announce his college decision during the 2009 McDonald’s All American Games in Miami Fla,†according to a release. “This much anticipated announcement will take place during Media Day on Tuesday, March 31 at 11:45 a.m. ET at the BankUnited Center.â€
The 6-foot-5 Stephenson said he has already decided and will attend either Kansas, Maryland or St. John’s. A source close to the decision-making process told us it will be either Kansas or St. John’s.
The game itself is set for 8 o’clock on April 1 and will be shown live on ESPNU
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Lance Sr. now saying that Europe is still an option:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/sports/basketball/Will-Lance-Stephenson-Go-to-College.html (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/sports/basketball/Will-Lance-Stephenson-Go-to-College.html)
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going to Kansas. :( :( :(
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Lance makes history
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/21/lance-lincoln-win-4th-straight-title/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/21/lance-lincoln-win-4th-straight-title/)
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going to Kansas. :( :( :(
Are you just guessing or do you have inside information?
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coach q was there today.
he finished with 24 pts and 10 rebounds. but he had 14 pts in the first q alone. if he didn't pick up his 3rd foul in the 2nd, he coulda had 40
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Lance Sr. now saying that Europe is still an option:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/sports/basketball/Will-Lance-Stephenson-Go-to-College.html (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/sports/basketball/Will-Lance-Stephenson-Go-to-College.html)
Wow makes sense I can't see why anyone wouldn't want to go to Europe to play as long as they give me my money up front.Wow could that be the surprise he puts on a CSKA Moscow hat :o
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http://nyhoops.com/new/the-news/nyhoops-stories/688-lance-stephensons-garden-finale (http://nyhoops.com/new/the-news/nyhoops-stories/688-lance-stephensons-garden-finale)
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“If I keep playing hard and pick the right college and show my talent, I think I’ll be here again.â€
If he picks the "right" college he'll definitely be here again.
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doubt he meant that. the question asked was "was this your last home game at msg?"
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he probably meant playing in the NBA in that answer
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Lets not make Lance out to be aristotle with these quotes.
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Lets not make Lance out to be aristotle with these quotes.
Or even an idiot savant like Manny Ramirez
On that note, is there any recent word on whether Lance will be qualified?
The whole recruitment may be moot.
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Lets not make Lance out to be aristotle with these quotes.
Or even an idiot savant like Manny Ramirez
On that note, is there any recent word on whether Lance will be qualified?
The whole recruitment may be moot.
he has said he's qualified. who knows though..
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Has any player won 3 state titles? I know rice won 3 out 4 state titles in 96, 98 & 99 did they have one player on all 3 of those championship teams ?
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Once again, Lance will commit to either St. Johns,Kansas or Maryland-maybe even play overseas. My sources also tell me he will announce at or around the Mcdonalds All American game...
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All Signs Point to Lance Landing at Kansas
All Signs Point to Lance Landing at Kansas
Posted on Mar 22, 2009 9:24 pm
Lance Stephenson says he’s already chosen his college, and at this point all signs indicate he’ll end up at Kansas.
Go to Zags for more....
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/22/all-signs-point-to-lance-landing-at-kansas/#more-13817 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/22/all-signs-point-to-lance-landing-at-kansas/#more-13817)
edited buckeye please include links to your sources and do not copy and paste entire content thanks.
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Yup, nothing we all didn't know. He wont be coming to SJU-and NR needs to go now.
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Yup, nothing we all didn't know. He wont be coming to SJU-and NR needs to go now.
Lets not make Lance out to be aristotle with these quotes.
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Yup, nothing we all didn't know. He wont be coming to SJU-and NR needs to go now.
There's little point in retaining Roberts if he couldn't get Stephenson. The only reason to retain him would be if the school is so poor that it couldn't bring in a better alternative, which would be hard to believe.
He's an inept bench coach and a below-average recruiter. As it is, the next guy is going to have to figure his way out of the skewed scholarship situation created by the massive rising junior class.
The problem is that there are quite a few good jobs open and likely to open that Monasch better have his short list ready in order to act and react, depending upon the initial feedback.
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All Signs Point to Lance Landing at Kansas
All Signs Point to Lance Landing at Kansas
Posted on Mar 22, 2009 9:24 pm
Lance Stephenson says he’s already chosen his college, and at this point all signs indicate he’ll end up at Kansas.
Go to Zags for more....
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/22/all-signs-point-to-lance-landing-at-kansas/#more-13817 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/22/all-signs-point-to-lance-landing-at-kansas/#more-13817)
“Maybe I’ll get drafted to the Knicks, who knows? If I keep playing hard and pick the right college and show my talent, I think I’ll be here again.â€
If he won’t play at the Garden again until he’s on the Knicks, he’s not likely to suit up for the Johnnies.
So Lance is out but I was able to face it last week :'( .
However with the signing of Omari & Hardy ,the return of Mase & with Paris Horne having a break out season, I thought this team had enough perimeter fire power & didn't need Lance anyway because he is not a PG or a PF or C with any kinds of post moves.
As for the Jayhawks if Sherron stays like most mock drafts have him doing, does Lance start over there next season? The Jayhawks would then return 3 starting guards to their line up & he is not a 4 in college.
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right..we don't need the number one high school player in the country.
we are... mediocrity,
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we need a new coach more than the #1 recruit in the country
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Yup, nothing we all didn't know. He wont be coming to SJU-and NR needs to go now.
Lets not make Lance out to be aristotle with these quotes.
How about Plato, Socrates or Dr. Kennedy? :D
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we need a new coach more than the #1 recruit in the country
I agree I would trade a Big name coach for Lance anyday
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/28/sherrod-wright-on-the-mason-visit-lance-named-co-mr-ny-basketball/#more-14039 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/28/sherrod-wright-on-the-mason-visit-lance-named-co-mr-ny-basketball/#more-14039)
What I’m saying right now is I’m coming back,†said Collins, who added that he is in fine shape financially and has the blessing of his family to return.
All we need is Cole to stay @ Kansas & they are maxed out with scholarships , NCAA better watch for some funny business.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/28/sherrod-wright-on-the-mason-visit-lance-named-co-mr-ny-basketball/#more-14039 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/28/sherrod-wright-on-the-mason-visit-lance-named-co-mr-ny-basketball/#more-14039)
What I’m saying right now is I’m coming back,†said Collins, who added that he is in fine shape financially and has the blessing of his family to return.
All we need is Cole to stay @ Kansas & they are maxed out with scholarships , NCAA better watch for some funny business.
Do you have any idea how college works? Scholarships are renewed annually. Self can choose to not renew any player he wants. There will be room. Heck, they could make room for five Lances if they had to. There is no "funny business."
Norm cannot get a kid that another school really wants. It's that simple. He could be all over a kid for three years and all Pitino has to do is walk in his gym or living room once and it's all over. Norm sucks.
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yea it has never been a problem...all schools find a way to do it..make a kid a walkon and pay for his tuition
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Nope never knew that :-\ , I thought as long as a player had academic success & showed good player conduct on & off the court he was stuck on the team for all four years.
This is great news , can someone give me a situation where a coach took away his kids scholarship who could not afford to walk on to the team ?
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players walking on is rare. players being asked to transfer isn't.
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lance stephenson is said to make his announcement tomorrow on his decision to attend Kansas next year
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http://www.draftexpress.com/article/McDonaldas-All-American-Practices-Day-One-3155/ (http://www.draftexpress.com/article/McDonaldas-All-American-Practices-Day-One-3155/)
Both teams are down to 11 players right now, as Lance Stephenson missed his flight and may be at somewhat of a disadvantage this week considering that he already missed two of the three days of practices.
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so is he announcing tmrw at 1145 or wednesdsay during the game?
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so is he announcing tmrw at 1145 or wednesdsay during the game?
Who cares?
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so is he announcing tmrw at 1145 or wednesdsay during the game?
Who cares?
thanks for answerin the question bud. appreciate it
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so is he announcing tmrw at 1145 or wednesdsay during the game?
Who cares?
I care....i know what the answer is going to but once it is official i move on. I don't think Lance is going to come to a program not ready to compete when he has one or two years at the college level. Odds are pointing to Kanas but strangers things have happened. He is not a savior but it would be nice to see Omari and Lance play together.
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Lance and Wall to Kansas?
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/30/calhoun-bennett-to-virginia-smith-to-uconn/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/30/calhoun-bennett-to-virginia-smith-to-uconn/)
**Andy Katz says John Calipari is close to taking the Kentucky job. IT will be interesting to see if DeMarcus Cousins and John Wall follow him. Wall is reportedly down to Memphis and Kansas and one source told me he’d be surprised if it wasn’t Memphis. If Cal leaves for Kentucky, Wall could pick Kansas or potentially follow Cal to Kentucky. Imagine if Kansas lands both Wall and Lance Stephenson? Watch out for the Jayhawks if that happens
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/31/now-lance-wont-announce-this-week/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/31/now-lance-wont-announce-this-week/)
Now Lance Won’t Announce This Week
Posted on Mar 31, 2009 8:18 am
Amazingly, this Lance Stephenson Saga still isn’t over and apparently won’t end at the McDonald’s All-American Game.
Lance Stephenson Sr. called the McDonald’s PR people Monday night and told them his son wasn’t yet ready to announce his college decision. The 6-foot-5 Stephenson was expected to announce for Kansas today at media day.
“Following [Monday night's] POWERADE Jam Fest, the McDonald’s All-American Games staff learned that Lance Stephenson will not make his college decision at media day, Tuesday, March 31 at 11:45 a.m. or during the game on Wednesday, April 1 at the BankUnited Center in Miami,†the statement read.
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how many spots does kentucky have open? lance may want to play for calipari.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/31/now-lance-wont-announce-this-week/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/31/now-lance-wont-announce-this-week/)
Now Lance Won’t Announce This Week
Posted on Mar 31, 2009 8:18 am
Amazingly, this Lance Stephenson Saga still isn’t over and apparently won’t end at the McDonald’s All-American Game.
Lance Stephenson Sr. called the McDonald’s PR people Monday night and told them his son wasn’t yet ready to announce his college decision. The 6-foot-5 Stephenson was expected to announce for Kansas today at media day.
“Following [Monday night's] POWERADE Jam Fest, the McDonald’s All-American Games staff learned that Lance Stephenson will not make his college decision at media day, Tuesday, March 31 at 11:45 a.m. or during the game on Wednesday, April 1 at the BankUnited Center in Miami,†the statement read.
AAAAGGGHHHHHH
WHAT THE PLUCK, MAN! Sweet Jesu this kid loves the f**king attention! GET IT OVER ALREADY!
You know what? For all of y'all who hear the rumors or think you know where this kid is going, I don't think HE knows where he's going. or why not announce at the Garden? Why not announce at McD's? He doesn't know. What does he need to be ready? One more surgery seminar? This ain't surgery! Just drop a hot damned name and be quick with it, son!
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this has everything to do with calipari, xavier henry might decommit from memphis and sign with kansas, leaving lance out. i think we still have a small chance.
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this has everything to do with calipari, xavier henry might decommit from memphis and sign with kansas, leaving lance out. i think we still have a small chance.
I wouldn't be so sure about Herney walking away from Memphis. Doesn't his brother go to school there already..?
Memphis would also have to release him from his LOI.
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What about John Wall? I thought he was down to Memphis and Kansas...
Also, looks like Henry would be looking to leave according to Zags...
http://blog.zagsblog.net/ (http://blog.zagsblog.net/)
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this has everything to do with calipari, xavier henry might decommit from memphis and sign with kansas, leaving lance out. i think we still have a small chance.
I wouldn't be so sure about Herney walking away from Memphis. Doesn't his brother go to school there already..?
Memphis would also have to release him from his LOI.
I've read reports that Memphis already said they would grant him a release if Calipari left
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/31/now-lance-wont-announce-this-week/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/31/now-lance-wont-announce-this-week/)
Now Lance Won’t Announce This Week
Posted on Mar 31, 2009 8:18 am
Amazingly, this Lance Stephenson Saga still isn’t over and apparently won’t end at the McDonald’s All-American Game.
Lance Stephenson Sr. called the McDonald’s PR people Monday night and told them his son wasn’t yet ready to announce his college decision. The 6-foot-5 Stephenson was expected to announce for Kansas today at media day.
“Following [Monday night's] POWERADE Jam Fest, the McDonald’s All-American Games staff learned that Lance Stephenson will not make his college decision at media day, Tuesday, March 31 at 11:45 a.m. or during the game on Wednesday, April 1 at the BankUnited Center in Miami,†the statement read.
AAAAGGGHHHHHH
WHAT THE PLUCK, MAN! Sweet Jesu this kid loves the f**king attention! GET IT OVER ALREADY!
You know what? For all of y'all who hear the rumors or think you know where this kid is going, I don't think HE knows where he's going. or why not announce at the Garden? Why not announce at McD's? He doesn't know. What does he need to be ready? One more surgery seminar? This ain't surgery! Just drop a hot damned name and be quick with it, son!
I think you're right. What's the hold up?
SJU and Maryland might not be out of the mix yet.
Maybe he wants payment in advance from shady Europe.
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when is he going to announce now and what venue will it be at?
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You know that Taco Bell across from the West 4th courts? There. Right before the summer leagues start.
No, wait, on the can at Jay-Z's club.
No, wait, on an east river helipad...
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I know for one thing the recent revelations means we are out & him changing his mind to announce is directly connect with Kentucky , Memphis & Kansas
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well if it is connected with only Kansas Kentucky and Memphis then we arent out then. If Wall goes to Kansas because of Calipari going to Kentucky then Lance obviously does not want another highly touted recruit stealing his spotlight.
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Or maybe Lance wants to play with the best. If he's really serious about wanting to "win a championship," why not recreate a version of the Fab 5? I mean, imagine if one team had 3-4 of the top ten recruits in the country and won the NCAA championship? That team would be talked about for years.
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this has everything to do with calipari, xavier henry might decommit from memphis and sign with kansas, leaving lance out. i think we still have a small chance.
Bingo. Cousins, Henry, and Wall are all now considering Kansas. I think Self takes any of the three over Lance.
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this has everything to do with calipari, xavier henry might decommit from memphis and sign with kansas, leaving lance out. i think we still have a small chance.
Bingo. Cousins, Henry, and Wall are all now considering Kansas. I think Self takes any of the three over Lance.
bottom line. this young man is lost in his recruiting. cmon lance, suit up in red.
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we have a chance, small, but still a chance.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/31/now-lance-wont-announce-this-week/#more-14216 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/31/now-lance-wont-announce-this-week/#more-14216)
Stephenson Says He’ll Hold Off (UPDATED)
Posted on Mar 31, 2009 8:18 am
There will be no college announcement from Lance Stephenson today.
Apparently the coaches at Kansas, Maryland and St. John’s — as well as their fans — will have to wait until Stephenson finalizes his plans.
“Me and my family and I have decided that we are going to wait it out and I’m going to make the best decision for me and my family,†Stephenson told the media assembled at the McDonald’s All-American media day.
Lance Stephenson Sr. called the McDonald’s PR people Monday night and told them his son wasn’t yet ready to announce his college decision. The 6-foot-5 Stephenson was expected to announce for Kansas today at media day.
This marks the second time Lance has delayed his announcement. He was originally supposed to do it March 21 at Madison Square Garden, but held off.
“It wasn’t a change,†he said. “It’s just been hard for me and my family to make a decision. I’m just going to wait it out.â€
He added: “This is my life. I want to go somewhere that I’m comfortable and I can play at.†It remains unclear if John Calipari’s pending move to Kentucky has anything to do with Stephenson’s decision. If Calipari were to take the Kentucky job, several of his recruits, including wing Xavier Henry, could follow suit.
But Calipari did not recruit Stephenson at Memphis, so it would seem like Kansas would still have the upper hand.
It could also be that Stephenson wants to see what Sherron Collins and Cole Aldrich are doing before committing to Kansas, but indications are that Aldrich will return. Stephenson has long said he wants to play with a talented big man.
Stephenson said he had no timetable for deciding. The late signing period begins April 15.
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why does everyone think he delayed? Its funny on Kansas' site they are all ready to bail on Lance in favor of Xavier Henry. Funny how the tide turns and do you think Self said Lance we're going to have to wait to see how things play out?
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I wonder if this Lance delayed decision had anything to do with the so called "Norm meeting" last night
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I wonder if this Lance delayed decision had anything to do with the so called "Norm meeting" last night
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I wonder if this Lance delayed decision had anything to do with the so called "Norm meeting" last night
We don't even know if that metting took place. Secondly, I don't thin STJ factored into it at all. It was all about Kansas.
Honestly, even if he doesn't choose Kansas I still don't think he comes here. We are a bridesmaid and nothing more.
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I wonder if this Lance delayed decision had anything to do with the so called "Norm meeting" last night
Marco... care to elborate or explain how you know that Lance and Norm had a meeting last night?
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Someone mentioned it on one the other boards from a second source. I think it was PMG, can't remember.
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link please!
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I wonder if this Lance delayed decision had anything to do with the so called "Norm meeting" last night
Marco... care to elborate or explain how you know that Lance and Norm had a meeting last night?
That might have been interpreted the wrong way. Supposedly Norm met with Monasch with his agent, but as this point im not even sure that happenned. It probably had nothing to do with Lance anyway, i was just throwing that out there
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/31/now-lance-wont-announce-this-week/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/03/31/now-lance-wont-announce-this-week/)
Watch this interview, when asked what are his top 3 choices-Lance says St Johns right away. For him to mention us first might be a good thing. At the end Tony Danza asks him what is the most important things hes looking for-Lance's reply 1-tradition 2-coach 3-players surrounding him. Lets go kid, COME TO ST JOHNS!
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http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/1116123.html (http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/1116123.html)
Near the bottom of the article.
Even if KU was to get a commitment from Stephenson or Henry, the fact remains that the Jayhawks would have 15 scholarships occupied if Sherron Collins and Cole Aldrich return to school. That’s two over the limit of 13. Kansas would have to cut two scholarships either through Collins and/or Aldrich’s early defection to the NBA or players transferring this offseason.
It is also possible that a returning player could volunteer to give up his scholarship. It has long been rumored that Lawrence native and KU basketball legacy Brady Morningstar would make that sacrifice. Morningstar told The Star in January that he would be open to that option if it made the team better
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now its NOT about who will go further into the ncaa tournament???...i cant follow this story anymore, its too stressful, this kid changes his mind too much...when he announces he announces...i will be 1000000000000 times more excited for a new coach than lance anyway
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hes is so destined to be here.
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:o ;D
Because he doesn't know what he's doing?
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why does everyone think he delayed? Its funny on Kansas' site they are all ready to bail on Lance in favor of Xavier Henry. Funny how the tide turns and do you think Self said Lance we're going to have to wait to see how things play out?
http://www.cjonline.com/interact/blog/tully_corcoran/2009-04-01/should_you_feel_sorry_for_lance_stephenson (http://www.cjonline.com/interact/blog/tully_corcoran/2009-04-01/should_you_feel_sorry_for_lance_stephenson)
No, this twinge is a twinge of sympathy for Lance Stephenson, the super recruit who reportedly had his heart set on Kansas and may now have to go somewhere else because of big, bad Xavier Henry*, who may or may not be about to accept the scholarship Stephenson wanted.
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http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/1116123.html (http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/1116123.html)
Near the bottom of the article.
Even if KU was to get a commitment from Stephenson or Henry, the fact remains that the Jayhawks would have 15 scholarships occupied if Sherron Collins and Cole Aldrich return to school. That’s two over the limit of 13. Kansas would have to cut two scholarships either through Collins and/or Aldrich’s early defection to the NBA or players transferring this offseason.
It is also possible that a returning player could volunteer to give up his scholarship. It has long been rumored that Lawrence native and KU basketball legacy Brady Morningstar would make that sacrifice. Morningstar told The Star in January that he would be open to that option if it made the team better
I had a feeling it would of been him
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/04/02/2009-04-02_lance_stephenson_may_mull_st_johns_thank.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/04/02/2009-04-02_lance_stephenson_may_mull_st_johns_thank.html)
Lance Stephenson may mull St. John's, thanks to John Calipari assist
BY Mark Lelinwalla
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Thursday, April 2nd 2009, 4:00 AM
Fixed Link KJD
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2009mcdonalds002 (http://www.nbadraft.net/2009mcdonalds002)
Lance Stephenson -- 12 pts, 6-11 fg, 0-2 3p, 0-2 ft, 4 rebs, 3 stls, 6 asts, 6 to, 23 min -- Had a rough go of things committing 6 turnovers. Showed good speed in the open floor with the ball, but gets out of control. On one occasion, he got off the ground before passing causing a turnover showing his lack of fundamentals. He did make some solid plays down the stretch including the game clinching pass to Favors. Has a nose for scoring. Really excels attacking the rim off the bounce. On the negative side his feet look awkward, as he runs up on his toes, not fluid. Talented kid with a great body for his age, but below average athleticism for the NBA level and his fundamentals, work ethic, and body language are big concerns.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/03/27/lance.stephenson/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/03/27/lance.stephenson/index.html)
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What is Rivals saying about the perfect storm?
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What is Rivals saying about the perfect storm?
A lot of nothing. Basically a lot of hear say that Lance's situation has changed due to Calipari's move and St. John's may be back in the front running but this is all speculation.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO5vJz11u9w&feature=channel_page#ws-hd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO5vJz11u9w&feature=channel_page#ws-hd)
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/03/27/lance.stephenson/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/03/27/lance.stephenson/index.html)
That was a great article by Kevin.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/03/27/lance.stephenson/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/03/27/lance.stephenson/index.html)
That was a great article by Kevin.
I agree, great stuff. Tiny Morton and PSAL basketball never cease to amaze me
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/03/27/lance.stephenson/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/03/27/lance.stephenson/index.html)
That was a great article by Kevin.
I agree, great stuff. Tiny Morton and PSAL basketball never cease to amaze me
The only Brooklyn middle school teacher with an Escalade
http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/bozich/2009/04/vitale-crean-and-other-final-four.html (http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/bozich/2009/04/vitale-crean-and-other-final-four.html)
Word is that Kansas coach Bill Self is concerned the Jayhawks will lose New York City high school guard Lance Stephenson to Kentucky
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any word on when he "plans to commit"...again... key word "plans." Proabably not till henry and cousins commit im guessing?
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Lance, Wall, Cousins and the Henry brothers should all commit to NJIT, a la the fab 5, and see what they could do.
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Jayhawk website says its a done deal.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=4194015 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=4194015)
"Decourcy on 810 now re Lance ....says he's committed to KU but KU is waiting to see if he'll qualify. Thinks Self would turn him into a "spectacular player." fwiw"
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Jayhawk website says its a done deal.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=4194015 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=4194015)
"Decourcy on 810 now re Lance ....says he's committed to KU but KU is waiting to see if he'll qualify. Thinks Self would turn him into a "spectacular player." fwiw"
Let me take a moment to congratulate all the Norm bashers on all the boards for chasing this kid away. Great job! Next season, when youre watching a 6 minute scoring drought, ask the whiner sitting next to you for a pat on the back. You deserve it! :)
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how is this guy a mod?
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how is this guy a mod?
Dont you worry my little friend, you'll be a Seton Hall fan shortly anyways. Maybe you can write some cute articles about Gonzo's thugs in the school paper
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how is this guy a mod?
What's your point?
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/08/stephenson-still-weighing-options/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/08/stephenson-still-weighing-options/)
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/08/stephenson-still-weighing-options/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/08/stephenson-still-weighing-options/)
Baldi spreading rumors again?
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Jayhawk website says its a done deal.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=4194015 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=4194015)
"Decourcy on 810 now re Lance ....says he's committed to KU but KU is waiting to see if he'll qualify. Thinks Self would turn him into a "spectacular player." fwiw"
Let me take a moment to congratulate all the Norm bashers on all the boards for chasing this kid away. Great job! Next season, when youre watching a 6 minute scoring drought, ask the whiner sitting next to you for a pat on the back. You deserve it! :)
dude, seriously, if you think it'll help recruiting, post a video on here of you blowing norm, but dont push blame on the posters of this site for COMMENTING on our horrible coach not getting the job done...have you been following this team the last 5 years...where do you get off saying people are bashing him?...hes an incapable coach and hes made a complete joke of this program, to the fans, the media, hs coaches, aau coaches, and recruits, but its the posters fault? get real man....im a lifelong fan of the program and i havent missed a game in 7 years, and i for damn sure am not going to support a coach whos driving the program into the shitter
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everyone is so hard up for lance...what happens when he leaves in a year...what then...do you think norm is going to keep getting top 5 recruits...i really hope lance opens the "floodgates" and top 25 recruits start coming here but im not gonna put money on it, and i doubt anyone else here is either...we need a new coach...lance would be great but he would extend the problem we have...a guy doesnt just all of a sudden wake up and know how to coach after a long career...norm has not yet and will never understand the game...god help us if we even get to the tournament next year bc what happens when the games on the line and we need a play...whats norm gonna do???? just tell lance to try to score???
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/09/thomas-appleton-transferring-from-ku/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/09/thomas-appleton-transferring-from-ku/)
Looks like they have a chance to get Lance and both of the Henry brothers, these two scholarships plus Brad saying he would do what is best for the team.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/09/thomas-appleton-transferring-from-ku/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/09/thomas-appleton-transferring-from-ku/)
Looks like they have a chance to get Lance and both of the Henry brothers, these two scholarships plus Brad saying he would do what is best for the team.
thats not very good news
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doubt lance wants to play with henry
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doubt lance wants to play with henry
seems like thats what we're waiting on.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2009/04/09/2009-04-09_lance_stephenson_plans_to_visit_st_johns.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2009/04/09/2009-04-09_lance_stephenson_plans_to_visit_st_johns.html)
April 9th 2009, 8:09 PM
Kansas coach Bill Self is expected to drop in on Lincoln High School star Lance Stephenson at his home in Coney Island on Friday, and the 6-6 guard is planning to make an official visit to St. John's at some point over the weekend, a source told the Daily News.
Stephenson is then expected to finally decide between Kansas and St. John's in an official commitment announcement - possibly at his high school - early next week.
Sources still are saying that Stephenson's first choice is Kansas, but the Coney Island product may wind up signing with St. John's by default. That's because Stephenson is still waiting on Xavier Henry - a 6-6 guard from Oklahoma City who is ESPN's No.1-ranked player in the country - to make his official commitment. Reports continue to indicate that Henry wants to play for Kansas and it's widely believed the Jayhawks would make an offer to him over Stephenson.
Such a scenario would create the opening for St.John's to sign Stephenson. The Johnnies say Stephenson's grades are not an issue and that he is academically eligible. Sources continue to rule out Maryland and the option to play in Europe.
For weeks, sources pointed to Kansas as Stephenson's most likely destination, but that changed when John Calipari bolted to Kentucky last week. Henry had originally chosen Memphis over Kansas, but withdrew his commitment when Calipari became the Wildcats' coach. Henry still has the option to follow Calipari to Kentucky.
While it seems highly unlikely, there's an outside chance that Calipari could become interested in Stephenson in case Henry doesn't follow him to Kentucky and/or Wildcats guard Jodie Meeks doesn't return for his senior season. (Meeks has already submitted his name for the NBA draft, but will not hire an agent.)
TYSHAWN GONE: St. John's announced yesterday that freshman guard TyShwan Edmondson will transfer. Edmondson averaged 1.7 points and 1.0 rebounds.
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... well, the team needs someone to put points on the board, but the squad would be much better if multiple people could handle the point guard position... and not turn the damned ball over. Seriously, along with the scoring points efficiently thing, it's the next biggest problem.
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I think its great we get him on campus officially which means all expenses paid. We can really wine and dine him. Its too bad most students will be home for easter. Its also great to get the final impression of Lance and who knows maybe he'll commit this weekend. How cool would that be?
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At least we are still in running :) I didn't foresee this visit happening. Thank u Calipari for being greedy.
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Some of these Maryland fans are up in arms that St Johns is listed as ahead of them on Lance's list
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/10/stephenson-to-make-official-to-st-johns/#comments (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/10/stephenson-to-make-official-to-st-johns/#comments)
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I think its great we get him on campus officially which means all expenses paid. We can really wine and dine him. Its too bad most students will be home for easter. Its also great to get the final impression of Lance and who knows maybe he'll commit this weekend. How cool would that be?
We hardly "wine and dine." Norm takes the recruits to ESPN Zone. It would be amazing if they were 12, but they aren't.
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Some of these Maryland fans are up in arms that St Johns is listed as ahead of them on Lance's list
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/10/stephenson-to-make-official-to-st-johns/#comments (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/10/stephenson-to-make-official-to-st-johns/#comments)
My impression is that their version of the Maven said it was in the bag, and the fans flat-out refuse to believe the situation may have changed, if indeed their guy was correct to begin with. It is laughable how angry they are about the whole thing.
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maybe he announces at the wheelchair classic all-star game at LIU...
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http://www.examiner.com/x-1089-Baltimore-Sports-Examiner~y2009m4d11-Still-awaiting-Stephenson-decision (http://www.examiner.com/x-1089-Baltimore-Sports-Examiner~y2009m4d11-Still-awaiting-Stephenson-decision)
Still awaiting Stephenson decision
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The Maryland Terrapins are still awaiting a decision from top high school recruit Lance Stephenson on where he will play basketball next year, but unfortunately it is looking more and more likely that it won't be in College Park.
It seems that Stephenson is now likely to land with St. John's, although he is holding out hope that he might still end up at Kansas. The Kansas situation is tricky because it depends on the decision of Xavier Henry, the top rated recruit in the country. After John Calipari left Memphis, Henry re-opened his recruitment and Kansas had been the second choice on his list.
If it comes down to Henry of Stephenson, Bill Self will definitely choose to give the scholarship to the country's top recruit. Henry and Stephenson play the same positions, so the New York guard would not really have the option of going to Kansas. That leaves St. John's and Maryland.
Most insiders have been saying for months that Maryland and playing for a year in Europe are two options that are not on the table, leaving St. John's the only logical choice. While the program is terrible, Stephenson would be very close to home and get the opportunity to play in Madison Square Garden. However, he has made it clear he wants to play somewhere that he can win a national championship, and the chance of that would be much higher at Maryland than St. John's, although it is highly unlikely to happen with the Terps.
A lot of Maryland fans are to the point now where they just want a decision from Stephenson one way or the other so that they can move on from his recruitment. I think most fans are pretty skeptical about his chances of coming to College Park but are still holding out hope that he surprises everyone at the last minute.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/11/henrys-in-a-holding-pattern-weekend-visitors/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/11/henrys-in-a-holding-pattern-weekend-visitors/)
Meantime, Kansas coach Bill Self flew in to visit Brooklyn’s Lance Stephenson on Friday at his home in Coney Island. The 6-5 Stephenson is currently on an official visit at St. John’s that included a trip to head coach Norm Roberts’ Dix Hills, N.Y. home.
The visit ends Sunday a source close to the family said a decision was coming soon.
Comment by Adam Zagoria
2009-04-11 00:13:30
Memo to Maryland fans: It’s over.
It’s either Kansas or St. John’s, unless somebody swoops in at the last minute and makes a big pitch.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I reported this a while back and the Daily News reiterated it today.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2009/04/09/2009-04-09_lance_stephenson_plans_to_visit_st_johns.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2009/04/09/2009-04-09_lance_stephenson_plans_to_visit_st_johns.html)
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Some more on Lance....
http://www.johnnyjungle.com/getsmart_Lance_Stephenson_to_Stj? (http://www.johnnyjungle.com/getsmart_Lance_Stephenson_to_Stj?)
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Think y'all need to ask y'selves one question:
Do any y'all really think Stretch would leave the decision on his son's future in the hands of another player?
Think 'bout it, cause thats all this brother is gonna say on the situation.
Peace out!
-Choz4Life
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Think y'all need to ask y'selves one question:
Do any y'all really think Stretch would leave the decision on his son's future in the hands of another player?
Think 'bout it, cause thats all this brother is gonna say on the situation.
Peace out!
-Choz4Life
No but if Lance signs at Kansas and Henry signs after then that really effects Lance's situation especially with Collins and Aldrich returning. Thats a lot of ball to share and I'm not sure how that goes with Lance's 1 year plan.
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Still, the visit to St. John's went well, by all accounts.
http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090415&content_id=1498709&oid=2&vkey=21 (http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090415&content_id=1498709&oid=2&vkey=21)
After an unofficial workout with members of the team, one St. John's player asked Stephenson, "Alright man, so I'll see you at practice?"
"No doubt, no doubt," Stephenson replied with a smile.
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Still, the visit to St. John's went well, by all accounts.
http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090415&content_id=1498709&oid=2&vkey=21 (http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090415&content_id=1498709&oid=2&vkey=21)
After an unofficial workout with members of the team, one St. John's player asked Stephenson, "Alright man, so I'll see you at practice?"
"No doubt, no doubt," Stephenson replied with a smile.
what a tease man....
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Sorry, Terrapins.
http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=8&id=27631 (http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=8&id=27631)
According to several reports, the heralded Lincoln High School swingman is expected to make a decision any day now regarding his choice of school.
But Maryland has already been picked as the odd-team out.
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memphis in play
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/15/memphis-has-interest-in-lance-famous/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/15/memphis-has-interest-in-lance-famous/)
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Still, the visit to St. John's went well, by all accounts.
As Stephenson was leaving the campus, one St. John's player asked him, "Alright man, so I'll see you at practice?"
"No doubt, no doubt," Stephenson replied with a smile.
http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090415&content_id=1498709&oid=2&vkey=21 (http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090415&content_id=1498709&oid=2&vkey=21)
by the way when is the last day of the signing period??
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memphis in play
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/15/memphis-has-interest-in-lance-famous/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/15/memphis-has-interest-in-lance-famous/)
memphis def not in play lol...i saw that, didnt even feel like posting it...thats a new coach trying to be a big shot...why in god's name would lance, who has whittled his list down over the last year all of a sudden want memphis now that cal is gone...YAY, good thing that stupid cal is gone, now i can fulfill my lifelong dream of playing for JOSH PASTNER...and the week that hes finally choosing his school lol, come on...this pastner fella is a douche for even trying at this point
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/19/gary-williams-visits-lance-in-home/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/19/gary-williams-visits-lance-in-home/)
Gary Williams in-home visit with Lance.
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Arizona is now officially in the mix.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?sport=2&pr_key=41972 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?sport=2&pr_key=41972)
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/co..._st_johns.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/co..._st_johns.html)
Lance Stephenson KO's St. John's
BY Mark Lelinwalla, Roger Rubin, & Ian Begley
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS
Friday, May 1st 2009, 4:00 AM
Lincoln HS standout Lance Stephenson has been doing the recruiting dance with St.John's for more than a year. Not any more.
According to sources on both sides, the odds are virtually nil that the 6-6 guard from Coney Island will join the Red Storm. And sources say ditto for Maryland, another college heavily recruiting Stephenson.
"At this point (St.John's is) out," a source told the Daily News. "They're not a priority for us. Maryland coach (Gary Williams) embraced Lance, but for some reason that wasn't the right move."
According to a source with knowledge of St. John's recruiting strategy, coach Norm Roberts and his staff have waited patiently but time is growing short. They still want Stephenson but are now fearful that waiting much longer means missing out on others. The Johnnies got a commitment from point guard and Queens product Malik Stith yesterday.
Last week, Kansas coach Bill Self preferred a commitment from Xavier Henry, ESPN'S No. 1 ranked player, over Stephenson.
That leaves Arizona, Memphis and possibly even Kentucky as possible destinations for Stephenson.
Concerns about Stephenson's future are not limited to basketball.
He has a court case scheduled for May 19 at Kings County Criminal Court in Brooklyn, stemming from an alleged incident at Lincoln HS, in which a 17-year-old girl claims he groped her on Oct. 3 of last year. Stephenson's lawyer, Alberto Ebanks, has maintained his client's innocence throughout.
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Can we please get rid of all this lance stuff. He does not want to come to SJU. Please remove all the lance hype and lets concentrate on kids who want to be part of our family, not some perp who wants to use us and any other schools to spread his bs hype. ps he does not fit our CLEAN PROGRAM father harrington and mr monasch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/mens/bal-lance-stephenson-615,0,1739869.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basketball/mens/bal-lance-stephenson-615,0,1739869.story)
Maryland stops recruiting Lance.
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Just finished watching Lance at Rucker with Artest's brother on his team they were playing for Sean Bell. They played blew out Tru warier Ron Artest;s team(why was Dainel not on his bros team?).Anyway my point is Lance's game has not changed not one bit since he was 15.He still takes too many plays off, especially on D. Still yells at the refs, he was not yelling at his teammates for the first time history.He really needed a coach like Gary Williams that will hold him accountable for his actions too bad they are not recruiting him anymore.
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Just finished watching Lance at Rucker with Artest's brother on his team they were playing for Sean Bell. They played blew out Tru warier Ron Artest;s team(why was Dainel not on his bros team?).Anyway my point is Lance's game has not changed not one bit since he was 15.He still takes too many plays off, especially on D. Still yells at the refs, he was not yelling at his teammates for the first time history.He really needed a coach like Gary Williams that will hold him accountable for his actions too bad they are not recruiting him anymore.
Soon Lance will be yelling at teammates who dont speak english
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What gas station is Lenny Cooke working at?
And are they hiring?
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What gas station is Lenny Cooke working at?
And are they hiring?
I think Dajuan Wagner is the cashier there
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Lenny Cooke works at a grocery store the Brooklyn barbers shops say. After he torn his knee in Philippines, he started to lose his love for B-Ball the rumor is.
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I think Dajuan Wagner is the cashier there
I saw Wagner in Trenton, NJ in February. He's packed on some weight and let's just say his entourage has dwindled.
He said he hadn't spoken to Cal recently and his father was way down in El Paso, so he doesn't see him that much.
Antonio Williams, who does some scouting for ESPN, said he's seen 6' 10" DeAngelo Collins, who was also in the 2002 draft, actually pumping gas in the LA area.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/06/21/2009-06-21_end_zone_who_wants_lance.html?page=0 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/06/21/2009-06-21_end_zone_who_wants_lance.html?page=0)
The DN did a piece on why schools are staying away from Stephenson. For whatever reason, they didn't use Zagoria's race excuse.
One reporter (not for DN), who has been to the house, told me that house has all the makings of a future NCAA investigation story.
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Who ever takes lance is gonna get investigated. But kah to say his game didn't grow is crazy
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How funny would it be if Lance stays local,meaning Manhattan or Hofstra?
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How funny would it be if Lance stays local,meaning Manhattan or Hofstra?
Provided he gets out of jail before the season starts.
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Dude's not in jail, won't be going to jail for some touchy-feely on a girl. I don't know why colleges would be all up in arms about that; his issues have to be the eligibility and his pops. And even then, I just don't know why other schools aren't trying to lock down a talent who might just give them 20 points every single night. He's could be like the angry Stephen Curry.
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I would go the Mississippi state way and get a lawyer and sign him. But thatas just me. And by the way mississippi is gonna get hella investigated with both sidney and riek. And they are gonna be a elite 8 team if they get cleared
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You know what, though? So what if those wins get cleared from the record and banners get taken down? It's embarrassing, it's tough, but the fans remember you had a great year and saw a good team, the gate receipts stay with the school (the NCAA doesn't fine a school when they sanction them, so the cost is the cost of court costs). And the program's seen as a little dirty (as long as you can't be connected with actually handing a baller cash). It's not the most moral, and I am admittedly happy that the school I cheer on isn't considered "dirty," but the school stays in the fans' memories and the money's been made.
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I get your angle, Peter, but I doubt STJ would take the gamble on the short-term gain. They can't afford to have two NCAA investigations in a decade.
It's like college basketball's Scarlet Letter.
There are still plenty of casual college basketball fans that remember the Jarvis money scandal and the Pittsburgh " rape" accusations. They know we were a good Big East program under Carnesecca and again in the late 90s, but we've been a Big East doormat for a while and may never get back to the former heights. They usually think we're sitting on a lot of basketball talent and squandering it.
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I can't believe i'm actually saying this, but i'm starting to feel sorry for this kid. His dad and "handlers" have completely made a mockery of what should be one of the most exciting times of his life. Now he probably goes to a JC for 1 year and struggles to be a second round pick next year. Many of the draft sites, including nbadraft.net, have lance going undrafted, while John Wall is No.1.
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I get your angle, Peter, but I doubt STJ would take the gamble on the short-term gain. They can't afford to have two NCAA investigations in a decade.
It's like college basketball's Scarlet Letter.
There are still plenty of casual college basketball fans that remember the Jarvis money scandal and the Pittsburgh " rape" accusations. They know we were a good Big East program under Carnesecca and again in the late 90s, but we've been a Big East doormat for a while and may never get back to the former heights. They usually think we're sitting on a lot of basketball talent and squandering it.
Oh HELLS no, not for St. John's! I'm saying for other universities with less of an implicit "morals clause," like Memphis. I wasn't that big on the prospect of Lance from the get-go, I like my red flags less glaring.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/06/28/lance-stephenson-to-cincinnati/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/06/28/lance-stephenson-to-cincinnati/)
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NO WAY! They're gonna be good next year.
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NO WAY! They're gonna be good next year.
Theyll probably be under investigation too
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NO WAY! They're gonna be good next year.
Theyll probably be under investigation too
Weren't they at some point during Huggins tenure? Not sure. I guess the real question is. Would you rather have 2- 5 sick years( ala Memphis) and have a shot at the NCAA championship, or play close to the vest (ala st.john's), and wallow in mediocrodity ? this question probably deserves its own thread. Personally, I just want a run! give me another run to the final four. I just don't see it from this Admin./team any time soon.
Not saying Cinci makes a run or anything. But lance going there(if he does), what are we doing? Really
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NO WAY! They're gonna be good next year.
Theyll probably be under investigation too
Weren't they at some point during Huggins tenure? Not sure. I guess the real question is. Would you rather have 2- 5 sick years( ala Memphis) and have a shot at the NCAA championship, or play close to the vest (ala st.john's), and wallow in mediocrodity ? this question probably deserves its own thread. Personally, I just want a run! give me another run to the final four. I just don't see it from this Admin./team any time soon.
Not saying Cinci makes a run or anything. But lance going there(if he does), what are we doing? Really
St Johns already had their run with shaddiness under previous coaches.. Now the Johnnies are paying for it
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NO WAY! They're gonna be good next year.
Theyll probably be under investigation too
Weren't they at some point during Huggins tenure? Not sure. I guess the real question is. Would you rather have 2- 5 sick years( ala Memphis) and have a shot at the NCAA championship, or play close to the vest (ala st.john's), and wallow in mediocrodity ? this question probably deserves its own thread. Personally, I just want a run! give me another run to the final four. I just don't see it from this Admin./team any time soon.
Not saying Cinci makes a run or anything. But lance going there(if he does), what are we doing? Really
St Johns already had their run with shaddiness under previous coaches.. Now the Johnnies are paying for it
To a point Baldi , i agree. But, Harrington and Roberts have taken this holier than thou approach way too far. Far worse has been done by teams that have come back a lot quicker than St. Johns. Paying Keita $300 bucks a weeks pales in comparison to having someone take Rose and Doziers SATs....no? You think Memphis fans care? Probably not. They had the time of their lives 2 years ago, and we still suck!
I'm not advocating cheating, although it may seem that way. Being irrelevalent blows! But no, we're too good for Lance. Enjoy debateing whether being 8th in Big East is a great season or not. I'm not having it.
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NO WAY! They're gonna be good next year.
Theyll probably be under investigation too
Weren't they at some point during Huggins tenure? Not sure. I guess the real question is. Would you rather have 2- 5 sick years( ala Memphis) and have a shot at the NCAA championship, or play close to the vest (ala st.john's), and wallow in mediocrodity ? this question probably deserves its own thread. Personally, I just want a run! give me another run to the final four. I just don't see it from this Admin./team any time soon.
Not saying Cinci makes a run or anything. But lance going there(if he does), what are we doing? Really
St Johns already had their run with shaddiness under previous coaches.. Now the Johnnies are paying for it
To a point Baldi , i agree. But, Harrington and Roberts have taken this holier than thou approach way too far. Far worse has been done by teams that have come back a lot quicker than St. Johns. Paying Keita $300 bucks a weeks pales in comparison to having someone take Rose and Doziers SATs....no? You think Memphis fans care? Probably not. They had the time of their lives 2 years ago, and we still suck!
I'm not advocating cheating, although it may seem that way. Being irrelevalent blows! But no, we're too good for Lance. Enjoy debateing whether being 8th in Big East is a great season or not. I'm not having it.
Somebody took Zendon Hamilton's SAT, another players grades were changed, cars were "loaned" to players. We went through this all already, and still didnt win anything. And do you honestly believe Keita was the only player on the payroll?
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Someone took Zendons Sats? never been proved. Another players grades were changed ? where? Cars! where's the proof? Logic tells me if this was all true, we would be considered a real "thug " program. guess what! we're not. Just by you.
This stuff happens everywhere. Like i said, I can't wait till next March when we are all on here debating whether our 8th place BE finish was an accomplishment. You know what. It's not!
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Someone took Zendons Sats? never been proved. Another players grades were changed ? where? Cars! where's the proof? Logic tells me if this was all true, we would be considered a real "thug " program. guess what! we're not. Just by you.
This stuff happens everywhere. Like i said, I can't wait till next March when we are all on here debating whether our 8th place BE finish was an accomplishment. You know what. It's not!
If "this stuff happens everywhere"-why are you having a hard time believing it happenned at St Johns?
Its clear that President of the University doesnt want to be involved with this kind of stuff anymore, thats why Norm was brought in
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Someone took Zendons Sats? never been proved. Another players grades were changed ? where? Cars! where's the proof? Logic tells me if this was all true, we would be considered a real "thug " program. guess what! we're not. Just by you.
This stuff happens everywhere. Like i said, I can't wait till next March when we are all on here debating whether our 8th place BE finish was an accomplishment. You know what. It's not!
If "this stuff happens everywhere"-why are you having a hard time believing it happenned at St Johns?
Its clear that President of the University doesnt want to be involved with this kind of stuff anymore, thats why Norm was brought in
I never said i had a hard time believing it. Just wanted some proof. Think Uconn fans care they are subject to criticism at every turn? Because i know you love to bust their chops. Would you trade St.Johns last 5 years for Uconns, for a little "heat"?. Your a fool if you wouldn't. "Thats why Norm was brought in.' And thats also why we suck.
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My last post on this subject... How bad does it suck that not only do we lose Lance, but to another Big East school. Would that even have been fathomable 3 months ago?
And the fact that we will lose to Cincy again next year! With or without Lance! Get the Pom Poms out boys...
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Someone took Zendons Sats? never been proved. Another players grades were changed ? where? Cars! where's the proof? Logic tells me if this was all true, we would be considered a real "thug " program. guess what! we're not. Just by you.
This stuff happens everywhere. Like i said, I can't wait till next March when we are all on here debating whether our 8th place BE finish was an accomplishment. You know what. It's not!
Baldi doesn't have the same burden of proof of even Perez Hilton. All he needs is a rumor--sometimes from himself.
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wow this is pretty shocking and sudden
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wow this is pretty shocking and sudden
What are you reading Cosmo again, Dave? You sound like a 17 year old chick that just got dumped.
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Someone took Zendons Sats? never been proved. Another players grades were changed ? where? Cars! where's the proof? Logic tells me if this was all true, we would be considered a real "thug " program. guess what! we're not. Just by you.
This stuff happens everywhere. Like i said, I can't wait till next March when we are all on here debating whether our 8th place BE finish was an accomplishment. You know what. It's not!
Baldi doesn't have the same burden of proof of even Perez Hilton. All he needs is a rumor--sometimes from himself.
Which of "my rumors" do you not believe to be true yourself?
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wow this is pretty shocking and sudden
What are you reading Cosmo again, Dave? You sound like a 17 year old chick that just got dumped.
I'm not sure I get the reference.
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Someone took Zendons Sats? never been proved. Another players grades were changed ? where? Cars! where's the proof? Logic tells me if this was all true, we would be considered a real "thug " program. guess what! we're not. Just by you.
This stuff happens everywhere. Like i said, I can't wait till next March when we are all on here debating whether our 8th place BE finish was an accomplishment. You know what. It's not!
Baldi doesn't have the same burden of proof of even Perez Hilton. All he needs is a rumor--sometimes from himself.
Which of "my rumors" do you not believe to be true yourself?
They all might be true - but the point was, who cares? The ONLY problem was Keita getting paid.
The car thing was outside of STJ and so was Z's SATs....if a player decides to break the NCAA rules and regs thats his business and will not get probation or anything from a program.
The goal isn't to stay away from all kids who might cause issues...the goal is to recruit the right way. And so what if a booster sends a car to Lance and he signs up with Cincy? Who the F cares? Everyone does it.
Do you feel any better knowing we probably aren't as dirty as other programs? Does that give you any more enjoyment during the regular season?
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Hold up. If a school's recruits are often involved with some booster activity, some extra perks, contact with agents, et cetera, it's a little more than who the F cares - the NCAA comes sniffing when they see what could be flagrant, easy-to-prove violations they can find, right?
And again, not saying that I particularly care, or not agreeing with Marco's assertions, but there is an issue when players are getting unsanctioned benefits. Any coach worth a hot damn knows not to actually hand a cat an envelope with cash, and they know how to encourage benefits without having their name in an email somewhere. But what about when someone starts snitching like Guillory (or whatever his name was) in the OJ Mayo case? What about enough violations that the schools wins are stricken from the record like U Mass' in the 90's? Didn't Barkley go pro (too early) in part because the NCAA was on his case about Myron Piggie's car? Even if everyone does it, there are consequences when the school gets caught near that stuff and you have to acknowledge that.
And Boo's right in what he says above. This holier than thou approach is too far.
That's a problem. Personally, I don't care that much, but an administration might care. Moreover, if the local papers come up with some rumors, and there's a hint that the NCAA might come around, that's gonna be used against the school's team on the recruiting trail.
So you gotta be wary of those "boosts" outside of the school. Or at least know how to manage them.
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Hold up. If a school's recruits are often involved with some booster activity, some extra perks, contact with agents, et cetera, it's a little more than who the F cares - the NCAA comes sniffing when they see what could be flagrant, easy-to-prove violations they can find, right?
And again, not saying that I particularly care, or not agreeing with Marco's assertions, but there is an issue when players are getting unsanctioned benefits. Any coach worth a hot damn knows not to actually hand a cat an envelope with cash, and they know how to encourage benefits without having their name in an email somewhere. But what about when someone starts snitching like Guillory (or whatever his name was) in the OJ Mayo case? What about enough violations that the schools wins are stricken from the record like U Mass' in the 90's? Didn't Barkley go pro (too early) in part because the NCAA was on his case about Myron Piggie's car? Even if everyone does it, there are consequences when the school gets caught near that stuff and you have to acknowledge that.
And Boo's right in what he says above. This holier than thou approach is too far.
That's a problem. Personally, I don't care that much, but an administration might care. Moreover, if the local papers come up with some rumors, and there's a hint that the NCAA might come around, that's gonna be used against the school's team on the recruiting trail.
So you gotta be wary of those "boosts" outside of the school. Or at least know how to manage them.
I'd prefer to get the kids without boosters. But if it's a Michigan or UMass situation where NO sanctions occur but just records stricken, who cares? If you're the 1-2 teams that get caught, bad luck for you, but tons of other teams do it.
You just need the coach and admin to have NO connections.
I will repeat: I prefer St. John's NOT do this. I think if we get the right coach, which is NOT Norm, we can do this. But if I found out a booster paid Lance something to get him to come to StJ while Norm was coach, and getting Lance got us to the sweet 16, and there were no ties to the admin so st johns got no violations...I wouldnt care much.
I still consider that we won the 2003 NIT...does anyone say oh crap its invalid it never happened? No, we enjoyed Marcus and the run.
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I agree on that. And I think the NCAA sanctions are often wrong-headed, but that's the best they've come up with. It's the schools that are sanctioned, and not the coaches or the player; I am pretty sure the booster is never sanctioned, either. I mean, the schools still make the money and sell the merchandise, right?
And I remember U Mass well, the 2003 NIT was more enjoyable to me than it should have been, given that it was the f'in' NIT.
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Hold up. If a school's recruits are often involved with some booster activity, some extra perks, contact with agents, et cetera, it's a little more than who the F cares - the NCAA comes sniffing when they see what could be flagrant, easy-to-prove violations they can find, right?
And again, not saying that I particularly care, or not agreeing with Marco's assertions, but there is an issue when players are getting unsanctioned benefits. Any coach worth a hot damn knows not to actually hand a cat an envelope with cash, and they know how to encourage benefits without having their name in an email somewhere. But what about when someone starts snitching like Guillory (or whatever his name was) in the OJ Mayo case? What about enough violations that the schools wins are stricken from the record like U Mass' in the 90's? Didn't Barkley go pro (too early) in part because the NCAA was on his case about Myron Piggie's car? Even if everyone does it, there are consequences when the school gets caught near that stuff and you have to acknowledge that.
And Boo's right in what he says above. This holier than thou approach is too far.
That's a problem. Personally, I don't care that much, but an administration might care. Moreover, if the local papers come up with some rumors, and there's a hint that the NCAA might come around, that's gonna be used against the school's team on the recruiting trail.
So you gotta be wary of those "boosts" outside of the school. Or at least know how to manage them.
I'd prefer to get the kids without boosters. But if it's a Michigan or UMass situation where NO sanctions occur but just records stricken, who cares? If you're the 1-2 teams that get caught, bad luck for you, but tons of other teams do it.
You just need the coach and admin to have NO connections.
I will repeat: I prefer St. John's NOT do this. I think if we get the right coach, which is NOT Norm, we can do this. But if I found out a booster paid Lance something to get him to come to StJ while Norm was coach, and getting Lance got us to the sweet 16, and there were no ties to the admin so st johns got no violations...I wouldnt care much.
I still consider that we won the 2003 NIT...does anyone say oh crap its invalid it never happened? No, we enjoyed Marcus and the run.
Its obvious the administration cares, otherwise their might be a different coach here. But, you and I could argue this point til we;re red in the face and it wont matter. WE dont make the decisions
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Hold up. If a school's recruits are often involved with some booster activity, some extra perks, contact with agents, et cetera, it's a little more than who the F cares - the NCAA comes sniffing when they see what could be flagrant, easy-to-prove violations they can find, right?
And again, not saying that I particularly care, or not agreeing with Marco's assertions, but there is an issue when players are getting unsanctioned benefits. Any coach worth a hot damn knows not to actually hand a cat an envelope with cash, and they know how to encourage benefits without having their name in an email somewhere. But what about when someone starts snitching like Guillory (or whatever his name was) in the OJ Mayo case? What about enough violations that the schools wins are stricken from the record like U Mass' in the 90's? Didn't Barkley go pro (too early) in part because the NCAA was on his case about Myron Piggie's car? Even if everyone does it, there are consequences when the school gets caught near that stuff and you have to acknowledge that.
And Boo's right in what he says above. This holier than thou approach is too far.
That's a problem. Personally, I don't care that much, but an administration might care. Moreover, if the local papers come up with some rumors, and there's a hint that the NCAA might come around, that's gonna be used against the school's team on the recruiting trail.
So you gotta be wary of those "boosts" outside of the school. Or at least know how to manage them.
I'd prefer to get the kids without boosters. But if it's a Michigan or UMass situation where NO sanctions occur but just records stricken, who cares? If you're the 1-2 teams that get caught, bad luck for you, but tons of other teams do it.
You just need the coach and admin to have NO connections.
I will repeat: I prefer St. John's NOT do this. I think if we get the right coach, which is NOT Norm, we can do this. But if I found out a booster paid Lance something to get him to come to StJ while Norm was coach, and getting Lance got us to the sweet 16, and there were no ties to the admin so st johns got no violations...I wouldnt care much.
I still consider that we won the 2003 NIT...does anyone say oh crap its invalid it never happened? No, we enjoyed Marcus and the run.
Its obvious the administration cares, otherwise their might be a different coach here. But, you and I could argue this point til we;re red in the face and it wont matter. WE dont make the decisions
They don't give a F about the program being clean/not clean, boosters paying/not paying. They make decisions because Fr. harrington doesn't want HIS personal name to be tarnished and the scandal did that. I don't believe that the admin is scared so sh!tless that they need Mr. Clean coaching no matter what the record because of the Keita incident. It was the Pitt incident that scared Harrington and changed his ways, and nothing could convince me otherwise. That is what hurt St. John's rep as a school and Harrington's rep - not Keita.
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Hold up. If a school's recruits are often involved with some booster activity, some extra perks, contact with agents, et cetera, it's a little more than who the F cares - the NCAA comes sniffing when they see what could be flagrant, easy-to-prove violations they can find, right?
And again, not saying that I particularly care, or not agreeing with Marco's assertions, but there is an issue when players are getting unsanctioned benefits. Any coach worth a hot damn knows not to actually hand a cat an envelope with cash, and they know how to encourage benefits without having their name in an email somewhere. But what about when someone starts snitching like Guillory (or whatever his name was) in the OJ Mayo case? What about enough violations that the schools wins are stricken from the record like U Mass' in the 90's? Didn't Barkley go pro (too early) in part because the NCAA was on his case about Myron Piggie's car? Even if everyone does it, there are consequences when the school gets caught near that stuff and you have to acknowledge that.
And Boo's right in what he says above. This holier than thou approach is too far.
That's a problem. Personally, I don't care that much, but an administration might care. Moreover, if the local papers come up with some rumors, and there's a hint that the NCAA might come around, that's gonna be used against the school's team on the recruiting trail.
So you gotta be wary of those "boosts" outside of the school. Or at least know how to manage them.
I'd prefer to get the kids without boosters. But if it's a Michigan or UMass situation where NO sanctions occur but just records stricken, who cares? If you're the 1-2 teams that get caught, bad luck for you, but tons of other teams do it.
You just need the coach and admin to have NO connections.
I will repeat: I prefer St. John's NOT do this. I think if we get the right coach, which is NOT Norm, we can do this. But if I found out a booster paid Lance something to get him to come to StJ while Norm was coach, and getting Lance got us to the sweet 16, and there were no ties to the admin so st johns got no violations...I wouldnt care much.
I still consider that we won the 2003 NIT...does anyone say oh crap its invalid it never happened? No, we enjoyed Marcus and the run.
Its obvious the administration cares, otherwise their might be a different coach here. But, you and I could argue this point til we;re red in the face and it wont matter. WE dont make the decisions
They don't give a F about the program being clean/not clean, boosters paying/not paying. They make decisions because Fr. harrington doesn't want HIS personal name to be tarnished and the scandal did that. I don't believe that the admin is scared so sh!tless that they need Mr. Clean coaching no matter what the record because of the Keita incident. It was the Pitt incident that scared Harrington and changed his ways, and nothing could convince me otherwise. That is what hurt St. John's rep as a school and Harrington's rep - not Keita.
I thought Jarvis was fired before the Pitt incident? Why did they fire him if it didnt matter?
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
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Huggins has got to be laughing at this.
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
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This backhistory stuff could be another topic. Marco, I leave splitting the topic (and taking a bunch of these threads) to you! Because I have to run soon.
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wow this is pretty shocking and sudden
What are you reading Cosmo again, Dave? You sound like a 17 year old chick that just got dumped.
I'm not sure I get the reference.
Not sure what part confuses you ;) Haven't you ever heard a girl you dumped say those things? Shocking? So sudden? I remember Baldi saying the same things to RSHF at the last gathering.
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wow this is pretty shocking and sudden
What are you reading Cosmo again, Dave? You sound like a 17 year old chick that just got dumped.
I'm not sure I get the reference.
Not sure what part confuses you ;) Haven't you ever heard a girl you dumped say those things? Shocking? So sudden? I remember Baldi saying the same things to RSHF at the last gathering.
lol ok i get it now. Lance, was it something I did? ;D
I tried to get some interviews with him but stretch shut me out.
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
Were you even a St. John's fan back then? Do you not remember anything? Barkley's incidents went down in 1999-2000. Then Barkley left. After that, there was Omar Cook's first season (2001-02), Hatten's first season AND NCAA berth (2002-03), and the NIT title season (2003-04). Now you tell me. Do you think the Barkley incident which was TOTALLY separate from Jarvis had anything to do with Jarvis' firing 3+ years later?
He was fired because the team wasn't winning, they were getting bad recruits, etc. And this is a guy who took us to THREE NCAA tourneys and an NIT title in 5 years! He brought in 2 MCD AA's of his own AND Daryll Hill and Marcus Hatten.
Jarvis had NOTHING to do with the Pitt strip club scandal.
Jarvis - if he directly had something to do with Keita's payments, which there is no proof of, he was paying a poor dude from West Africa $250 a month. If you're gettin the heebiejeebies because of that, perhaps you should get a reality check.
Jarvis hurt this program badly...but he hurt it by ruining the ties to the city AAU programs.
I think you need to pull up some articles of the Jarvis years and re-read them, bro. I don't think you quite get it.
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Supposedly a done deal. lance to Cincy. truly remarkable!!!!
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Which of "my rumors" do you not believe to be true yourself?
Was it ever proven that someone took Zendon Hamilton's SAT for him..?
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sorry
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
Were you even a St. John's fan back then? Do you not remember anything? Barkley's incidents went down in 1999-2000. Then Barkley left. After that, there was Omar Cook's first season (2001-02), Hatten's first season AND NCAA berth (2002-03), and the NIT title season (2003-04). Now you tell me. Do you think the Barkley incident which was TOTALLY separate from Jarvis had anything to do with Jarvis' firing 3+ years later?
He was fired because the team wasn't winning, they were getting bad recruits, etc. And this is a guy who took us to THREE NCAA tourneys and an NIT title in 5 years! He brought in 2 MCD AA's of his own AND Daryll Hill and Marcus Hatten.
Jarvis had NOTHING to do with the Pitt strip club scandal.
Jarvis - if he directly had something to do with Keita's payments, which there is no proof of, he was paying a poor dude from West Africa $250 a month. If you're gettin the heebiejeebies because of that, perhaps you should get a reality check.
Jarvis hurt this program badly...but he hurt it by ruining the ties to the city AAU programs.
I think you need to pull up some articles of the Jarvis years and re-read them, bro. I don't think you quite get it.
Why so angry? You should take some time off ;)
What I meant was maybe the Barkley ordeal was the beginning-by the time of the firing maybe Harringtone had had enough of the shenanigans. But since you are a better fan than me, mabybe you know better
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
Were you even a St. John's fan back then? Do you not remember anything? Barkley's incidents went down in 1999-2000. Then Barkley left. After that, there was Omar Cook's first season (2001-02), Hatten's first season AND NCAA berth (2002-03), and the NIT title season (2003-04). Now you tell me. Do you think the Barkley incident which was TOTALLY separate from Jarvis had anything to do with Jarvis' firing 3+ years later?
He was fired because the team wasn't winning, they were getting bad recruits, etc. And this is a guy who took us to THREE NCAA tourneys and an NIT title in 5 years! He brought in 2 MCD AA's of his own AND Daryll Hill and Marcus Hatten.
Jarvis had NOTHING to do with the Pitt strip club scandal.
Jarvis - if he directly had something to do with Keita's payments, which there is no proof of, he was paying a poor dude from West Africa $250 a month. If you're gettin the heebiejeebies because of that, perhaps you should get a reality check.
Jarvis hurt this program badly...but he hurt it by ruining the ties to the city AAU programs.
I think you need to pull up some articles of the Jarvis years and re-read them, bro. I don't think you quite get it.
Why so angry? You should take some time off ;)
What I meant was maybe the Barkley ordeal was the beginning-by the time of the firing maybe Harringtone had had enough of the shenanigans. But since you are a better fan than me, mabybe you know better
So if you're right, why does Harrington wait OVER 3 years to fire him? Why doesn't he fire them after the Omar Cook season where they don't make NCAA and Omar is a 1 and done?
Your conspiracy theories lack proof and have too much BS. I have no idea if I'm a better fan than you, but if you think the Erick barkley car incident had ANYTHING to do with Jarvis getting fired in 2004 you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
I'm not angry - I'm just sick of your BS where you throw around rumors and BS without anything to back it up. It pollutes every board you post on. Stick to the stuff you know. You do realize Jarvis was never alleged to have anything to do with the Barkley car thing, right?
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As for Lance and Cincy, I hope we utterly dominate his sorry @$$ when we play them. His recruitment has been a total circus.
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
Were you even a St. John's fan back then? Do you not remember anything? Barkley's incidents went down in 1999-2000. Then Barkley left. After that, there was Omar Cook's first season (2001-02), Hatten's first season AND NCAA berth (2002-03), and the NIT title season (2003-04). Now you tell me. Do you think the Barkley incident which was TOTALLY separate from Jarvis had anything to do with Jarvis' firing 3+ years later?
He was fired because the team wasn't winning, they were getting bad recruits, etc. And this is a guy who took us to THREE NCAA tourneys and an NIT title in 5 years! He brought in 2 MCD AA's of his own AND Daryll Hill and Marcus Hatten.
Jarvis had NOTHING to do with the Pitt strip club scandal.
Jarvis - if he directly had something to do with Keita's payments, which there is no proof of, he was paying a poor dude from West Africa $250 a month. If you're gettin the heebiejeebies because of that, perhaps you should get a reality check.
Jarvis hurt this program badly...but he hurt it by ruining the ties to the city AAU programs.
I think you need to pull up some articles of the Jarvis years and re-read them, bro. I don't think you quite get it.
Why so angry? You should take some time off ;)
What I meant was maybe the Barkley ordeal was the beginning-by the time of the firing maybe Harringtone had had enough of the shenanigans. But since you are a better fan than me, mabybe you know better
So if you're right, why does Harrington wait OVER 3 years to fire him? Why doesn't he fire them after the Omar Cook season where they don't make NCAA and Omar is a 1 and done?
Your conspiracy theories lack proof and have too much BS. I have no idea if I'm a better fan than you, but if you think the Erick barkley car incident had ANYTHING to do with Jarvis getting fired in 2004 you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
I'm not angry - I'm just sick of your BS where you throw around rumors and BS without anything to back it up. It pollutes every board you post on. Stick to the stuff you know. You do realize Jarvis was never alleged to have anything to do with the Barkley car thing, right?
You need to settle down. Somebody run over your poodle?
I never said I was right, I said MAYBE the Barkley situation was the start of it. Wasnt Jarvis the coach when Barkley was driving around campus is his new ride? If he had no idea what was going on, he should have never been hired.
Do you think I make up these rumors out of thin air? If so, you give me too much credit.
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As for Lance and Cincy, I hope we utterly dominate his sorry @$$ when we play them. His recruitment has been a total circus.
I agree! Is this kid even eligible?
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
Were you even a St. John's fan back then? Do you not remember anything? Barkley's incidents went down in 1999-2000. Then Barkley left. After that, there was Omar Cook's first season (2001-02), Hatten's first season AND NCAA berth (2002-03), and the NIT title season (2003-04). Now you tell me. Do you think the Barkley incident which was TOTALLY separate from Jarvis had anything to do with Jarvis' firing 3+ years later?
He was fired because the team wasn't winning, they were getting bad recruits, etc. And this is a guy who took us to THREE NCAA tourneys and an NIT title in 5 years! He brought in 2 MCD AA's of his own AND Daryll Hill and Marcus Hatten.
Jarvis had NOTHING to do with the Pitt strip club scandal.
Jarvis - if he directly had something to do with Keita's payments, which there is no proof of, he was paying a poor dude from West Africa $250 a month. If you're gettin the heebiejeebies because of that, perhaps you should get a reality check.
Jarvis hurt this program badly...but he hurt it by ruining the ties to the city AAU programs.
I think you need to pull up some articles of the Jarvis years and re-read them, bro. I don't think you quite get it.
Why so angry? You should take some time off ;)
What I meant was maybe the Barkley ordeal was the beginning-by the time of the firing maybe Harringtone had had enough of the shenanigans. But since you are a better fan than me, mabybe you know better
So if you're right, why does Harrington wait OVER 3 years to fire him? Why doesn't he fire them after the Omar Cook season where they don't make NCAA and Omar is a 1 and done?
Your conspiracy theories lack proof and have too much BS. I have no idea if I'm a better fan than you, but if you think the Erick barkley car incident had ANYTHING to do with Jarvis getting fired in 2004 you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
I'm not angry - I'm just sick of your BS where you throw around rumors and BS without anything to back it up. It pollutes every board you post on. Stick to the stuff you know. You do realize Jarvis was never alleged to have anything to do with the Barkley car thing, right?
You need to settle down. Somebody run over your poodle?
I never said I was right, I said MAYBE the Barkley situation was the start of it. Wasnt Jarvis the coach when Barkley was driving around campus is his new ride? If he had no idea what was going on, he should have never been hired.
Do you think I make up these rumors out of thin air? If so, you give me too much credit.
Baldi kids drive around with nice cars around campuses THROUGHOUT the country. It is NOT the coach's job to inquire how he got it and report the kid to the NCAA, is it? Out of sight out of mind I'm sure is the policy. The Duke guys were driving in Escalades everywhere...do I think Duhon and his mom had enough money to afford one? Probably not. Did Coach K pay for them? No. So why should Coach K inquire as to how he got it?
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
Were you even a St. John's fan back then? Do you not remember anything? Barkley's incidents went down in 1999-2000. Then Barkley left. After that, there was Omar Cook's first season (2001-02), Hatten's first season AND NCAA berth (2002-03), and the NIT title season (2003-04). Now you tell me. Do you think the Barkley incident which was TOTALLY separate from Jarvis had anything to do with Jarvis' firing 3+ years later?
He was fired because the team wasn't winning, they were getting bad recruits, etc. And this is a guy who took us to THREE NCAA tourneys and an NIT title in 5 years! He brought in 2 MCD AA's of his own AND Daryll Hill and Marcus Hatten.
Jarvis had NOTHING to do with the Pitt strip club scandal.
Jarvis - if he directly had something to do with Keita's payments, which there is no proof of, he was paying a poor dude from West Africa $250 a month. If you're gettin the heebiejeebies because of that, perhaps you should get a reality check.
Jarvis hurt this program badly...but he hurt it by ruining the ties to the city AAU programs.
I think you need to pull up some articles of the Jarvis years and re-read them, bro. I don't think you quite get it.
Why so angry? You should take some time off ;)
What I meant was maybe the Barkley ordeal was the beginning-by the time of the firing maybe Harringtone had had enough of the shenanigans. But since you are a better fan than me, mabybe you know better
So if you're right, why does Harrington wait OVER 3 years to fire him? Why doesn't he fire them after the Omar Cook season where they don't make NCAA and Omar is a 1 and done?
Your conspiracy theories lack proof and have too much BS. I have no idea if I'm a better fan than you, but if you think the Erick barkley car incident had ANYTHING to do with Jarvis getting fired in 2004 you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
I'm not angry - I'm just sick of your BS where you throw around rumors and BS without anything to back it up. It pollutes every board you post on. Stick to the stuff you know. You do realize Jarvis was never alleged to have anything to do with the Barkley car thing, right?
You need to settle down. Somebody run over your poodle?
I never said I was right, I said MAYBE the Barkley situation was the start of it. Wasnt Jarvis the coach when Barkley was driving around campus is his new ride? If he had no idea what was going on, he should have never been hired.
Do you think I make up these rumors out of thin air? If so, you give me too much credit.
Baldi kids drive around with nice cars around campuses THROUGHOUT the country. It is NOT the coach's job to inquire how he got it and report the kid to the NCAA, is it? Out of sight out of mind I'm sure is the policy. The Duke guys were driving in Escalades everywhere...do I think Duhon and his mom had enough money to afford one? Probably not. Did Coach K pay for them? No. So why should Coach K inquire as to how he got it?
They should inquire about it because the STUDENT ATHLETE could get in trouble or suspended,like Barkley did
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
Were you even a St. John's fan back then? Do you not remember anything? Barkley's incidents went down in 1999-2000. Then Barkley left. After that, there was Omar Cook's first season (2001-02), Hatten's first season AND NCAA berth (2002-03), and the NIT title season (2003-04). Now you tell me. Do you think the Barkley incident which was TOTALLY separate from Jarvis had anything to do with Jarvis' firing 3+ years later?
He was fired because the team wasn't winning, they were getting bad recruits, etc. And this is a guy who took us to THREE NCAA tourneys and an NIT title in 5 years! He brought in 2 MCD AA's of his own AND Daryll Hill and Marcus Hatten.
Jarvis had NOTHING to do with the Pitt strip club scandal.
Jarvis - if he directly had something to do with Keita's payments, which there is no proof of, he was paying a poor dude from West Africa $250 a month. If you're gettin the heebiejeebies because of that, perhaps you should get a reality check.
Jarvis hurt this program badly...but he hurt it by ruining the ties to the city AAU programs.
I think you need to pull up some articles of the Jarvis years and re-read them, bro. I don't think you quite get it.
Why so angry? You should take some time off ;)
What I meant was maybe the Barkley ordeal was the beginning-by the time of the firing maybe Harringtone had had enough of the shenanigans. But since you are a better fan than me, mabybe you know better
So if you're right, why does Harrington wait OVER 3 years to fire him? Why doesn't he fire them after the Omar Cook season where they don't make NCAA and Omar is a 1 and done?
Your conspiracy theories lack proof and have too much BS. I have no idea if I'm a better fan than you, but if you think the Erick barkley car incident had ANYTHING to do with Jarvis getting fired in 2004 you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
I'm not angry - I'm just sick of your BS where you throw around rumors and BS without anything to back it up. It pollutes every board you post on. Stick to the stuff you know. You do realize Jarvis was never alleged to have anything to do with the Barkley car thing, right?
You need to settle down. Somebody run over your poodle?
I never said I was right, I said MAYBE the Barkley situation was the start of it. Wasnt Jarvis the coach when Barkley was driving around campus is his new ride? If he had no idea what was going on, he should have never been hired.
Do you think I make up these rumors out of thin air? If so, you give me too much credit.
Baldi kids drive around with nice cars around campuses THROUGHOUT the country. It is NOT the coach's job to inquire how he got it and report the kid to the NCAA, is it? Out of sight out of mind I'm sure is the policy. The Duke guys were driving in Escalades everywhere...do I think Duhon and his mom had enough money to afford one? Probably not. Did Coach K pay for them? No. So why should Coach K inquire as to how he got it?
They should inquire about it because the STUDENT ATHLETE could get in trouble or suspended,like Barkley did
Should it anger Duke's AD and get him on a path where he fires Coach K for not monitoring what his players are driving closely enough?
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
Were you even a St. John's fan back then? Do you not remember anything? Barkley's incidents went down in 1999-2000. Then Barkley left. After that, there was Omar Cook's first season (2001-02), Hatten's first season AND NCAA berth (2002-03), and the NIT title season (2003-04). Now you tell me. Do you think the Barkley incident which was TOTALLY separate from Jarvis had anything to do with Jarvis' firing 3+ years later?
He was fired because the team wasn't winning, they were getting bad recruits, etc. And this is a guy who took us to THREE NCAA tourneys and an NIT title in 5 years! He brought in 2 MCD AA's of his own AND Daryll Hill and Marcus Hatten.
Jarvis had NOTHING to do with the Pitt strip club scandal.
Jarvis - if he directly had something to do with Keita's payments, which there is no proof of, he was paying a poor dude from West Africa $250 a month. If you're gettin the heebiejeebies because of that, perhaps you should get a reality check.
Jarvis hurt this program badly...but he hurt it by ruining the ties to the city AAU programs.
I think you need to pull up some articles of the Jarvis years and re-read them, bro. I don't think you quite get it.
Why so angry? You should take some time off ;)
What I meant was maybe the Barkley ordeal was the beginning-by the time of the firing maybe Harringtone had had enough of the shenanigans. But since you are a better fan than me, mabybe you know better
So if you're right, why does Harrington wait OVER 3 years to fire him? Why doesn't he fire them after the Omar Cook season where they don't make NCAA and Omar is a 1 and done?
Your conspiracy theories lack proof and have too much BS. I have no idea if I'm a better fan than you, but if you think the Erick barkley car incident had ANYTHING to do with Jarvis getting fired in 2004 you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
I'm not angry - I'm just sick of your BS where you throw around rumors and BS without anything to back it up. It pollutes every board you post on. Stick to the stuff you know. You do realize Jarvis was never alleged to have anything to do with the Barkley car thing, right?
You need to settle down. Somebody run over your poodle?
I never said I was right, I said MAYBE the Barkley situation was the start of it. Wasnt Jarvis the coach when Barkley was driving around campus is his new ride? If he had no idea what was going on, he should have never been hired.
Do you think I make up these rumors out of thin air? If so, you give me too much credit.
Baldi kids drive around with nice cars around campuses THROUGHOUT the country. It is NOT the coach's job to inquire how he got it and report the kid to the NCAA, is it? Out of sight out of mind I'm sure is the policy. The Duke guys were driving in Escalades everywhere...do I think Duhon and his mom had enough money to afford one? Probably not. Did Coach K pay for them? No. So why should Coach K inquire as to how he got it?
They should inquire about it because the STUDENT ATHLETE could get in trouble or suspended,like Barkley did
Should it anger Duke's AD and get him on a path where he fires Coach K for not monitoring what his players are driving closely enough?
When the University gets negative attention and negative press because of it, than maybe paying attention to what the studen athlete is driving should be looked after. Coach K makes a alot of money and makes alot of money for the University, maybe a coach should put one of his underlings to look after the players and their extracurricular activities(the obvious stuff anyways,like vehicles)
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
Were you even a St. John's fan back then? Do you not remember anything? Barkley's incidents went down in 1999-2000. Then Barkley left. After that, there was Omar Cook's first season (2001-02), Hatten's first season AND NCAA berth (2002-03), and the NIT title season (2003-04). Now you tell me. Do you think the Barkley incident which was TOTALLY separate from Jarvis had anything to do with Jarvis' firing 3+ years later?
He was fired because the team wasn't winning, they were getting bad recruits, etc. And this is a guy who took us to THREE NCAA tourneys and an NIT title in 5 years! He brought in 2 MCD AA's of his own AND Daryll Hill and Marcus Hatten.
Jarvis had NOTHING to do with the Pitt strip club scandal.
Jarvis - if he directly had something to do with Keita's payments, which there is no proof of, he was paying a poor dude from West Africa $250 a month. If you're gettin the heebiejeebies because of that, perhaps you should get a reality check.
Jarvis hurt this program badly...but he hurt it by ruining the ties to the city AAU programs.
I think you need to pull up some articles of the Jarvis years and re-read them, bro. I don't think you quite get it.
Why so angry? You should take some time off ;)
What I meant was maybe the Barkley ordeal was the beginning-by the time of the firing maybe Harringtone had had enough of the shenanigans. But since you are a better fan than me, mabybe you know better
So if you're right, why does Harrington wait OVER 3 years to fire him? Why doesn't he fire them after the Omar Cook season where they don't make NCAA and Omar is a 1 and done?
Your conspiracy theories lack proof and have too much BS. I have no idea if I'm a better fan than you, but if you think the Erick barkley car incident had ANYTHING to do with Jarvis getting fired in 2004 you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
I'm not angry - I'm just sick of your BS where you throw around rumors and BS without anything to back it up. It pollutes every board you post on. Stick to the stuff you know. You do realize Jarvis was never alleged to have anything to do with the Barkley car thing, right?
You need to settle down. Somebody run over your poodle?
I never said I was right, I said MAYBE the Barkley situation was the start of it. Wasnt Jarvis the coach when Barkley was driving around campus is his new ride? If he had no idea what was going on, he should have never been hired.
Do you think I make up these rumors out of thin air? If so, you give me too much credit.
Baldi kids drive around with nice cars around campuses THROUGHOUT the country. It is NOT the coach's job to inquire how he got it and report the kid to the NCAA, is it? Out of sight out of mind I'm sure is the policy. The Duke guys were driving in Escalades everywhere...do I think Duhon and his mom had enough money to afford one? Probably not. Did Coach K pay for them? No. So why should Coach K inquire as to how he got it?
They should inquire about it because the STUDENT ATHLETE could get in trouble or suspended,like Barkley did
Should it anger Duke's AD and get him on a path where he fires Coach K for not monitoring what his players are driving closely enough?
When the University gets negative attention and negative press because of it, than maybe paying attention to what the studen athlete is driving should be looked after. Coach K makes a alot of money and makes alot of money for the University, maybe a coach should put one of his underlings to look after the players and their extracurricular activities(the obvious stuff anyways,like vehicles)
Why is it their business? What if it was obtained legally through hard work, or gift from a family member? Why should it be looked into without other evidence?
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
Were you even a St. John's fan back then? Do you not remember anything? Barkley's incidents went down in 1999-2000. Then Barkley left. After that, there was Omar Cook's first season (2001-02), Hatten's first season AND NCAA berth (2002-03), and the NIT title season (2003-04). Now you tell me. Do you think the Barkley incident which was TOTALLY separate from Jarvis had anything to do with Jarvis' firing 3+ years later?
He was fired because the team wasn't winning, they were getting bad recruits, etc. And this is a guy who took us to THREE NCAA tourneys and an NIT title in 5 years! He brought in 2 MCD AA's of his own AND Daryll Hill and Marcus Hatten.
Jarvis had NOTHING to do with the Pitt strip club scandal.
Jarvis - if he directly had something to do with Keita's payments, which there is no proof of, he was paying a poor dude from West Africa $250 a month. If you're gettin the heebiejeebies because of that, perhaps you should get a reality check.
Jarvis hurt this program badly...but he hurt it by ruining the ties to the city AAU programs.
I think you need to pull up some articles of the Jarvis years and re-read them, bro. I don't think you quite get it.
Why so angry? You should take some time off ;)
What I meant was maybe the Barkley ordeal was the beginning-by the time of the firing maybe Harringtone had had enough of the shenanigans. But since you are a better fan than me, mabybe you know better
So if you're right, why does Harrington wait OVER 3 years to fire him? Why doesn't he fire them after the Omar Cook season where they don't make NCAA and Omar is a 1 and done?
Your conspiracy theories lack proof and have too much BS. I have no idea if I'm a better fan than you, but if you think the Erick barkley car incident had ANYTHING to do with Jarvis getting fired in 2004 you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
I'm not angry - I'm just sick of your BS where you throw around rumors and BS without anything to back it up. It pollutes every board you post on. Stick to the stuff you know. You do realize Jarvis was never alleged to have anything to do with the Barkley car thing, right?
You need to settle down. Somebody run over your poodle?
I never said I was right, I said MAYBE the Barkley situation was the start of it. Wasnt Jarvis the coach when Barkley was driving around campus is his new ride? If he had no idea what was going on, he should have never been hired.
Do you think I make up these rumors out of thin air? If so, you give me too much credit.
Baldi kids drive around with nice cars around campuses THROUGHOUT the country. It is NOT the coach's job to inquire how he got it and report the kid to the NCAA, is it? Out of sight out of mind I'm sure is the policy. The Duke guys were driving in Escalades everywhere...do I think Duhon and his mom had enough money to afford one? Probably not. Did Coach K pay for them? No. So why should Coach K inquire as to how he got it?
They should inquire about it because the STUDENT ATHLETE could get in trouble or suspended,like Barkley did
Should it anger Duke's AD and get him on a path where he fires Coach K for not monitoring what his players are driving closely enough?
When the University gets negative attention and negative press because of it, than maybe paying attention to what the studen athlete is driving should be looked after. Coach K makes a alot of money and makes alot of money for the University, maybe a coach should put one of his underlings to look after the players and their extracurricular activities(the obvious stuff anyways,like vehicles)
Why is it their business? What if it was obtained legally through hard work, or gift from a family member? Why should it be looked into without other evidence?
Thats what I meant, somebody from the staff should make sure its not an NCAA violation that would come back and haunt them. In the case of Barkley, he said the car was a loaner-maybe it was,maybe it wasnt. Some higher ups didnt believe that and not that it matters, neither did I
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
Were you even a St. John's fan back then? Do you not remember anything? Barkley's incidents went down in 1999-2000. Then Barkley left. After that, there was Omar Cook's first season (2001-02), Hatten's first season AND NCAA berth (2002-03), and the NIT title season (2003-04). Now you tell me. Do you think the Barkley incident which was TOTALLY separate from Jarvis had anything to do with Jarvis' firing 3+ years later?
He was fired because the team wasn't winning, they were getting bad recruits, etc. And this is a guy who took us to THREE NCAA tourneys and an NIT title in 5 years! He brought in 2 MCD AA's of his own AND Daryll Hill and Marcus Hatten.
Jarvis had NOTHING to do with the Pitt strip club scandal.
Jarvis - if he directly had something to do with Keita's payments, which there is no proof of, he was paying a poor dude from West Africa $250 a month. If you're gettin the heebiejeebies because of that, perhaps you should get a reality check.
Jarvis hurt this program badly...but he hurt it by ruining the ties to the city AAU programs.
I think you need to pull up some articles of the Jarvis years and re-read them, bro. I don't think you quite get it.
Why so angry? You should take some time off ;)
What I meant was maybe the Barkley ordeal was the beginning-by the time of the firing maybe Harringtone had had enough of the shenanigans. But since you are a better fan than me, mabybe you know better
So if you're right, why does Harrington wait OVER 3 years to fire him? Why doesn't he fire them after the Omar Cook season where they don't make NCAA and Omar is a 1 and done?
Your conspiracy theories lack proof and have too much BS. I have no idea if I'm a better fan than you, but if you think the Erick barkley car incident had ANYTHING to do with Jarvis getting fired in 2004 you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
I'm not angry - I'm just sick of your BS where you throw around rumors and BS without anything to back it up. It pollutes every board you post on. Stick to the stuff you know. You do realize Jarvis was never alleged to have anything to do with the Barkley car thing, right?
You need to settle down. Somebody run over your poodle?
I never said I was right, I said MAYBE the Barkley situation was the start of it. Wasnt Jarvis the coach when Barkley was driving around campus is his new ride? If he had no idea what was going on, he should have never been hired.
Do you think I make up these rumors out of thin air? If so, you give me too much credit.
Baldi kids drive around with nice cars around campuses THROUGHOUT the country. It is NOT the coach's job to inquire how he got it and report the kid to the NCAA, is it? Out of sight out of mind I'm sure is the policy. The Duke guys were driving in Escalades everywhere...do I think Duhon and his mom had enough money to afford one? Probably not. Did Coach K pay for them? No. So why should Coach K inquire as to how he got it?
They should inquire about it because the STUDENT ATHLETE could get in trouble or suspended,like Barkley did
Should it anger Duke's AD and get him on a path where he fires Coach K for not monitoring what his players are driving closely enough?
When the University gets negative attention and negative press because of it, than maybe paying attention to what the studen athlete is driving should be looked after. Coach K makes a alot of money and makes alot of money for the University, maybe a coach should put one of his underlings to look after the players and their extracurricular activities(the obvious stuff anyways,like vehicles)
Why is it their business? What if it was obtained legally through hard work, or gift from a family member? Why should it be looked into without other evidence?
Thats what I meant, somebody from the staff should make sure its not an NCAA violation that would come back and haunt them. In the case of Barkley, he said the car was a loaner-maybe it was,maybe it wasnt. Some higher ups didnt believe that and not that it matters, neither did I
Why look into it at all unless there is more evidence than "it's surprising this kid has this nice a car"
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Because they cared about winning back then maybe? It was stupid to fire him when they did, but that had noithing to do with Keita either, Baldi. So what's your point?
In all seriousness, why do you think they got rid of Jarvis? How did it go down in your opinoin, meaning in senses of timing of events?
First of all, I think Harrington did not like the fact that Jarvis would call the program out and demand all this $ be spent to improve facilities, etc. Jarvis was right, too.
I think in Feb 2003, they were ready to fire Jarvis at season's end for poor performance, lack of recruiting, etc. Then St. John's made a crazy run, beat Duke, won the NIT, hopes were high, and they couldn't fire him. They start off the next season HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLY and Harrington goes well now public opinion is against him, I better do it now before they make a stupid run at season's end again, and he cans him.
Then because Jarvis had the planes chartered and st johns stopped that, the Pitt incident happened, etc. etc. etc.
Do you remember the incidents Marco? Do you REALLY believe Keita talks if he doesn't get expelled for the Pitt incident? I think it's pretty obvious how it all went down.
How do YOU think it went down Mr. Mel Gibson from Conspiracy Theory?
Of course I remember the incidents, just the timetable of events is a bit blurry. Do you think the Erick Barkley incidents were the start of Harrington and the administration decisison set in motion?
Were you even a St. John's fan back then? Do you not remember anything? Barkley's incidents went down in 1999-2000. Then Barkley left. After that, there was Omar Cook's first season (2001-02), Hatten's first season AND NCAA berth (2002-03), and the NIT title season (2003-04). Now you tell me. Do you think the Barkley incident which was TOTALLY separate from Jarvis had anything to do with Jarvis' firing 3+ years later?
He was fired because the team wasn't winning, they were getting bad recruits, etc. And this is a guy who took us to THREE NCAA tourneys and an NIT title in 5 years! He brought in 2 MCD AA's of his own AND Daryll Hill and Marcus Hatten.
Jarvis had NOTHING to do with the Pitt strip club scandal.
Jarvis - if he directly had something to do with Keita's payments, which there is no proof of, he was paying a poor dude from West Africa $250 a month. If you're gettin the heebiejeebies because of that, perhaps you should get a reality check.
Jarvis hurt this program badly...but he hurt it by ruining the ties to the city AAU programs.
I think you need to pull up some articles of the Jarvis years and re-read them, bro. I don't think you quite get it.
Why so angry? You should take some time off ;)
What I meant was maybe the Barkley ordeal was the beginning-by the time of the firing maybe Harringtone had had enough of the shenanigans. But since you are a better fan than me, mabybe you know better
So if you're right, why does Harrington wait OVER 3 years to fire him? Why doesn't he fire them after the Omar Cook season where they don't make NCAA and Omar is a 1 and done?
Your conspiracy theories lack proof and have too much BS. I have no idea if I'm a better fan than you, but if you think the Erick barkley car incident had ANYTHING to do with Jarvis getting fired in 2004 you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
I'm not angry - I'm just sick of your BS where you throw around rumors and BS without anything to back it up. It pollutes every board you post on. Stick to the stuff you know. You do realize Jarvis was never alleged to have anything to do with the Barkley car thing, right?
You need to settle down. Somebody run over your poodle?
I never said I was right, I said MAYBE the Barkley situation was the start of it. Wasnt Jarvis the coach when Barkley was driving around campus is his new ride? If he had no idea what was going on, he should have never been hired.
Do you think I make up these rumors out of thin air? If so, you give me too much credit.
Baldi kids drive around with nice cars around campuses THROUGHOUT the country. It is NOT the coach's job to inquire how he got it and report the kid to the NCAA, is it? Out of sight out of mind I'm sure is the policy. The Duke guys were driving in Escalades everywhere...do I think Duhon and his mom had enough money to afford one? Probably not. Did Coach K pay for them? No. So why should Coach K inquire as to how he got it?
They should inquire about it because the STUDENT ATHLETE could get in trouble or suspended,like Barkley did
Should it anger Duke's AD and get him on a path where he fires Coach K for not monitoring what his players are driving closely enough?
When the University gets negative attention and negative press because of it, than maybe paying attention to what the studen athlete is driving should be looked after. Coach K makes a alot of money and makes alot of money for the University, maybe a coach should put one of his underlings to look after the players and their extracurricular activities(the obvious stuff anyways,like vehicles)
Why is it their business? What if it was obtained legally through hard work, or gift from a family member? Why should it be looked into without other evidence?
Thats what I meant, somebody from the staff should make sure its not an NCAA violation that would come back and haunt them. In the case of Barkley, he said the car was a loaner-maybe it was,maybe it wasnt. Some higher ups didnt believe that and not that it matters, neither did I
Why look into it at all unless there is more evidence than "it's surprising this kid has this nice a car"
Because if there is a doubt, maybe this will throw up a red flag and the NCAA will come knocking on your door. And as you said, if this is happening all over the country-you dont want to draw the Investigators attention. See Erick
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What drew the investigators attention was Fran Fraschilla being pissed off he was fired, IMO.
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What drew the investigators attention was Fran Fraschilla being pissed off he was fired, IMO.
Or the more likely,
rival coaches angry over Ernie Lorch, the then head of the most powerful AAU program in NY, helping out St. John's
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What drew the investigators attention was Fran Fraschilla being pissed off he was fired, IMO.
Or the more likely,
rival coaches angry over Ernie Lorch, the then head of the most powerful AAU program in NY, helping out St. John's
Agreed.
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UC has endless potential & good depth.Mick Cronin really uses his ships well, they are spread out over five positions.
Does Mike Williams still have eligibility left ? If so I can see UC being like WakeForest last year dominating the regular season & cooling off in the NCAA
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lance is gonna crush them. norm needed lance in the worse way. cincy is in the ncaa tournament
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lance is gonna crush them. norm needed lance in the worse way. cincy is in the ncaa tournament
KOB, not if you can wake up JB!
We all know he has the talent, there's no question about his ability.
We just need to find a way to get him to show it again!!!
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listen i love justin thats family. but im being so serious lance is a program changer. anyone who thinks other wise needs their heads examine. i dont care about his attitude or his legal issues. im talking skills. he is a talent. this kid would throw it on his mom while she is breast feeding his younger brother. and that is what they need. if lance gets cleared and that is a big if oh my god. im gonna be so pissed.
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Not sure what part confuses you ;) Haven't you ever heard a girl you dumped say those things? Shocking? So sudden? I remember Baldi saying the same things to RSHF at the last gathering.
Yes, Baldi turned to me and said “shocking†and “so sudden†when WASJU informed the entire St. John’s crowd that Marillac did in fact like girls, and that he was not a homo, despite what he had always said.
It was very difficult for most of us to accept knowing him as we do.
(http://www.screamingqueens.com/files/images/galleries/drag_performers/Olivia-Pink-Huge-s.jpg)
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this kid would throw it on his mom while she is breast feeding his younger brother.
hahahahah-i prefer not to picture this.
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Talk about a kid who made the right decisions and is about to get paid on his second contract...
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Talk about a kid who made the right decisions and is about to get paid on his second contract...
How much more over his rookie deal? LS is making around 918k per. Do you think he can break 6-8 MIL per?
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Guess it depends how much teams like his upside. Similar stats went for 4-8 per year
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Guess it depends how much teams like his upside. Similar stats went for 4-8 per year
He is only getting better..
If he is smart he will resign with Pacers and stay away from anything big city related. He has thrived under the Pacers management.