6th Man of St. John's Basketball
Non-Sport Related Discussion => Red and White Board => Topic started by: pmg911 on September 07, 2010, 03:58:44 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/07/pastor-says-church-deterred-petraeus-warning-koran-burning/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/07/pastor-says-church-deterred-petraeus-warning-koran-burning/)
This ignorant minister from Florida thinks he is doing the right thing by buring the Holy Koran in protest on Septmeber 11th.
What a dope..!!
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the amount of disrespect and prejudice being shown to muslims by some people is absolutely disgusting.
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It's scary that there are people like this in America...
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The fortunate thing is that when extremists (on either end of the spectrum) go too far, reasonable people, which most Americans are, come together to make things right. The unfortunate thing is that some people do suffer before that happens.
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the amount of disrespect and prejudice being shown to muslims by some people is absolutely disgusting.
Whose fault is that?
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the amount of disrespect and prejudice being shown to muslims by some people is absolutely disgusting.
Whose fault is that?
his. not all muslims committed the crimes on 9/11. the muslim religion should not be punished for it.
just like all germans didn't take part in the holocaust, and just like not all christians protest the funerals of American soldiers.
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I don't get President Obama on this one and I want to be clear, I think it is WRONG if this pastor goes ahead with his Koran burning.
President Obama doesn't want this pastor to burn the Koran because it will offend Muslims here and abroadd but he thinks it ok and supports the Muslims rights to build a mosque 550 feet from Ground Zero that will offend the familes of murdered American citizens.
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the amount of disrespect and prejudice being shown to muslims by some people is absolutely disgusting.
Whose fault is that?
his. not all muslims committed the crimes on 9/11. the muslim religion should not be punished for it.
just like all germans didn't take part in the holocaust, and just like not all christians protest the funerals of American soldiers.
His? Who, the pastor? Who cares about him? The Muslim people need to repair their image, they have noone to blame but themselves
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I don't get President Obama on this one and I want to be clear, I think it is WRONG if this pastor goes ahead with his Koran burning.
President Obama doesn't want this pastor to burn the Koran because it will offend Muslims here and abroadd but he thinks it ok and supports the Muslims rights to build a mosque 550 feet from Ground Zero that will offend the familes of murdered American citizens.
Amen!
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It's probably Bush's fault
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It's the fault of people like you who can't differentiate between extremists and peaceful followers of a religion.
Are you an IRA terrorist baldi? Am I?
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It's the fault of people like you who can't differentiate between extremists and peaceful followers of a religion.
Are you an IRA terrorist baldi? Am I?
Peaceful followers who stone people and cut limbs off
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really, where does that happen in america?
Are we the same as IRA terrorists, Baldi?
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really, where does that happen in america?
Are we the same as IRA terrorists, Baldi?
According to Baldi's logic, you are the same as the people who go around the USA with "God Hates America" signs, protest the funerals of American soldiers, and burn down abortion clinics.
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really, where does that happen in america?
Are we the same as IRA terrorists, Baldi?
No, but if IRA terrorists flew planes into buildings in the U.S.A murdering thousands of people, I would be embarassed and apologetic about it. And I certainly would not want to set up shop on what they consider their top military victory. All those pro mosque protestors should be ashamed of themselves, especially on a day like tomorrow. Fckin ridiculous
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I don't get President Obama on this one and I want to be clear, I think it is WRONG if this pastor goes ahead with his Koran burning.
President Obama doesn't want this pastor to burn the Koran because it will offend Muslims here and abroadd but he thinks it ok and supports the Muslims rights to build a mosque 550 feet from Ground Zero that will offend the familes of murdered American citizens.
The pastor has every right to burn a Koran. Here is the difference in terms of morality:
The burning of the Koran is an OBVIOUS and BLATANT way to bully and disrespect a minority faith in this country. As for the building of the mosque, there has YET TO BE PROOF of an INTENTION to disrespect victims of 9/11. You can point out to me all the shady questions you want about the Imam leading it, however there has yet to be any remote PROOF that this project is being taken up to disrespect anybody.
If a Christian group had committed the terrorist acts of 9/11 in the name of Jesus Christ, we wouldn't hear ANYTHING if a group wanted to build a church 2.5 blocks from Ground Zero. Its the BULLYING of Muslims that is so utterly disgusting. This type of treatment would have NEVER been leveled upon a Christian or Jewish group if it had been one of them that committed the terrorist acts of 9/11.
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really, where does that happen in america?
Are we the same as IRA terrorists, Baldi?
According to Baldi's logic, you are the same as the people who go around the USA with "God Hates America" signs, protest the funerals of American soldiers, and burn down abortion clinics.
I actually think Baldi's logic equates me and him with IRA terrorists. Irish catholic terrorists in Ireland who have nothing to do with catholics, nor irish-americans, in america.
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Well the pastor decided it was a stupid idea (or was pressured not to do it) and didn't go through with it even though he had every right to do it. Interesting. Imam should take note perhaps. Or maybe not.
Also lets not pretend that Muslims are this peaceful ever loving group. There are plenty that are, of course. But, they also treat women, gays, and other minorities like they are complete trash. Tolerance goes both ways.
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Well the pastor decided it was a stupid idea (or was pressured not to do it) and didn't go through with it even though he had every right to do it. Interesting. Imam should take note perhaps. Or maybe not.
Also lets not pretend that Muslims are this peaceful ever loving group. There are plenty that are, of course. But, they also treat women, gays, and other minorities like they are complete trash. Tolerance goes both ways.
Most major religions and countries treated women, gays and other minorities like complete trash circa 20-50 years ago...or even today in some cases. Islam has not been a religion fully embraced in first world countries...in time Islam will also evolve.
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Well the pastor decided it was a stupid idea (or was pressured not to do it) and didn't go through with it even though he had every right to do it. Interesting. Imam should take note perhaps. Or maybe not.
Also lets not pretend that Muslims are this peaceful ever loving group. There are plenty that are, of course. But, they also treat women, gays, and other minorities like they are complete trash. Tolerance goes both ways.
Most major religions and countries treated women, gays and other minorities like complete trash circa 20-50 years ago...or even today in some cases. Islam has not been a religion fully embraced in first world countries...in time Islam will also evolve.
What would lead you to believe they will evolve? Women can't even show their faces. I'm by no means an expert on the subject but seems to me the problem with most religion, in general, is the lack of evolving with the times. Whether its hasidic jews, catholics , or muslims, most religious customs remain in the "dark ages" for lack of a better term.
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Well the pastor decided it was a stupid idea (or was pressured not to do it) and didn't go through with it even though he had every right to do it. Interesting. Imam should take note perhaps. Or maybe not.
Also lets not pretend that Muslims are this peaceful ever loving group. There are plenty that are, of course. But, they also treat women, gays, and other minorities like they are complete trash. Tolerance goes both ways.
Most major religions and countries treated women, gays and other minorities like complete trash circa 20-50 years ago...or even today in some cases. Islam has not been a religion fully embraced in first world countries...in time Islam will also evolve.
What would lead you to believe they will evolve? Women can't even show their faces. I'm by no means an expert on the subject but seems to me the problem with most religion, in general, is the lack of evolving with the times. Whether its hasidic jews, catholics , or muslims, most religious customs remain in the "dark ages" for lack of a better term.
I've seen plenty of American muslims who show their face. Haven't you?
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Of course. I've also seen plenty of Catholics who eat meat on fridays during lent and jews who eat cheeseburgers. Doesn't mean the tenants of the religion have evolved. Not sure if a Catholic went to Vatican City and ate a steak on good friday they'd be stoned to death though.
Back to my question. What makes you think Islam will evolve as a religion. It hasn't yet, in thousands of years.
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Of course. I've also seen plenty of Catholics who eat meat on fridays during lent and jews who eat cheeseburgers. Doesn't mean the tenants of the religion have evolved. Not sure if a Catholic went to Vatican City and ate a steak on good friday they'd be stoned to death though.
Back to my question. What makes you think Islam will evolve as a religion. It hasn't yet, in thousands of years.
It will evolve, or there will be a major break and spinoff by peaceful muslims in first world countries. Kinda like the protestant movemet.
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Of course. I've also seen plenty of Catholics who eat meat on fridays during lent and jews who eat cheeseburgers. Doesn't mean the tenants of the religion have evolved. Not sure if a Catholic went to Vatican City and ate a steak on good friday they'd be stoned to death though.
Back to my question. What makes you think Islam will evolve as a religion. It hasn't yet, in thousands of years.
It will evolve, or there will be a major break and spinoff by peaceful muslims in first world countries. Kinda like the protestant movemet.
So you think the Muslim faith is about 500 years behind the times and we just need to be patient with them..?
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Of course. I've also seen plenty of Catholics who eat meat on fridays during lent and jews who eat cheeseburgers. Doesn't mean the tenants of the religion have evolved. Not sure if a Catholic went to Vatican City and ate a steak on good friday they'd be stoned to death though.
Back to my question. What makes you think Islam will evolve as a religion. It hasn't yet, in thousands of years.
It will evolve, or there will be a major break and spinoff by peaceful muslims in first world countries. Kinda like the protestant movemet.
So you think the Muslim faith is about 500 years behind the times and we just need to be patient with them..?
my point exactly...
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We should be patient and tolerant of the peaceful ones, yes - the majority of those who are in america...
Speaking in terms of religion gets you in trouble, IMO. I think we should be placing blame on certain arab countries and making them pay, and not discriminating based on economics (cough cough saudi arabia cough cough).
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We should be patient and tolerant of the peaceful ones, yes - the majority of those who are in america...
Speaking in terms of religion gets you in trouble, IMO. I think we should be placing blame on certain arab countries and making them pay, and not discriminating based on economics (cough cough saudi arabia cough cough).
Tolerance is a two way street...
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How many peaceful muslims do you know that aren't tolerant? I know plenty of peaceful muslims, but not intolerant ones.
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Apparently the Saudis aren't very tolerant either. Arresting Catholics for......being catholic and not following Islam. These people are unbelievable.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20101006-296336/Saudis-arrest-Filipino-Catholics-at-massreport (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20101006-296336/Saudis-arrest-Filipino-Catholics-at-massreport)
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Apparently the Saudis aren't very tolerant either. Arresting Catholics for......being catholic and not following Islam. These people are unbelievable.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20101006-296336/Saudis-arrest-Filipino-Catholics-at-massreport (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20101006-296336/Saudis-arrest-Filipino-Catholics-at-massreport)
Cmon boo, be patient and tolerant
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Apparently the Saudis aren't very tolerant either. Arresting Catholics for......being catholic and not following Islam. These people are unbelievable.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20101006-296336/Saudis-arrest-Filipino-Catholics-at-massreport (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20101006-296336/Saudis-arrest-Filipino-Catholics-at-massreport)
Cmon boo, be patient and tolerant
So you want us to be like the Saudis and NOT be tolerant?? Good to see where some people are setting the bar.
We're supposed to be the model country for tolerance and freedoms, and yet with the bigotry and discrimination against Muslims and Homosexuals it appears that we may not be.
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Apparently the Saudis aren't very tolerant either. Arresting Catholics for......being catholic and not following Islam. These people are unbelievable.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20101006-296336/Saudis-arrest-Filipino-Catholics-at-massreport (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20101006-296336/Saudis-arrest-Filipino-Catholics-at-massreport)
Cmon boo, be patient and tolerant
So you want us to be like the Saudis and NOT be tolerant?? Good to see where some people are setting the bar.
We're supposed to be the model country for tolerance and freedoms, and yet with the bigotry and discrimination against Muslims and Homosexuals it appears that we may not be.
You know what happens to models? They get f ucked. Just like this country
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Apparently the Saudis aren't very tolerant either. Arresting Catholics for......being catholic and not following Islam. These people are unbelievable.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20101006-296336/Saudis-arrest-Filipino-Catholics-at-massreport (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20101006-296336/Saudis-arrest-Filipino-Catholics-at-massreport)
Cmon boo, be patient and tolerant
So you want us to be like the Saudis and NOT be tolerant?? Good to see where some people are setting the bar.
We're supposed to be the model country for tolerance and freedoms, and yet with the bigotry and discrimination against Muslims and Homosexuals it appears that we may not be.
Who said that, theo? Please don't put words in my mouth. I was simply providing an example of how Islam isn't all peaceful and tolerant as our friends on the extreme left want everyone to believe. For the record, i'm not a right-winger at all. I'm fairly moderate.
Why bring up homosexuals? Has nothing to do with this whatsoever. I couldn't care less what anyone does.
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why should we base our level of tolerance on what the saudis do?? we should be able to rise above that. what happens in saudi arabia should have nothing to do with how we treat muslim-americans here in our country.
we should stick to our principles and stop trying to bully muslim-americans out of an area. bullying is exactly what its become.