6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2011 Class => Topic started by: pmg911 on June 23, 2008, 03:16:16 PM
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Has anyone heard where this young man will attend school next year..
American Chrsitian is closing down and I haven't heard a word about where he was headed... If I remember correctly when he left NYC, his mother wanted to get him out of the city...
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"In other prep school news, the Philly Inquirer reports that former American Christian coach Tony Bergeron is going to Blair (Pa.) Christian and taking junior guard Lamont "Momo" Jones and freshman guard Achraf Yacoubou with him."
http://njmg.typepad.com/zagsblog/2008/06/new-prep-team-i.html
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thank you
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Any kids from Jersey play for St Anthonys?
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/weiss/2008/07/lamont-jones-tranfers-to-st-an.html
July 18, 2008
LaMont Jones tranfers to St. Anthony's
Former Rice guard LaMont Jones has transferred to St. Anthony’s. Jones, who played last year under Tony Bergeron at American Christian, will join former Molloy star Ashton Pankey and former All Hallows star Devon Collier at St. Anthony’s under legendary coach Bobby Hurley Sr.
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Any kids from Jersey play for St Anthonys?
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/weiss/2008/07/lamont-jones-tranfers-to-st-an.html
July 18, 2008
LaMont Jones tranfers to St. Anthony's
Former Rice guard LaMont Jones has transferred to St. Anthony’s. Jones, who played last year under Tony Bergeron at American Christian, will join former Molloy star Ashton Pankey and former All Hallows star Devon Collier at St. Anthony’s under legendary coach Bobby Hurley Sr.
If anyone can deal with those three, it's Bob Hurley.
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saw a rumor that he committed to Seton Hall
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Any kids from Jersey play for St Anthonys?
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/weiss/2008/07/lamont-jones-tranfers-to-st-an.html
July 18, 2008
LaMont Jones tranfers to St. Anthony's
Former Rice guard LaMont Jones has transferred to St. Anthony’s. Jones, who played last year under Tony Bergeron at American Christian, will join former Molloy star Ashton Pankey and former All Hallows star Devon Collier at St. Anthony’s under legendary coach Bobby Hurley Sr.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/weiss/2008/07/lamont-jones-tranfers-to-st-an.html
Seton Hall, St. John’s, South Florida, Oklahoma State, Xavier, UMass and Providence have all made formal scholarship offers to Jones. Jones, who had previously verbally committed to Louisville before backing out last summer, hasn’t listed any favorites.
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This kid is all over the place
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/weiss/2008/08/rice-has-jones-for-momo.html
August 12, 2008
Rice has Jones for Momo
Who says you can't go home again?
Lamont (Momo) Jones left Rice last summer to play for Tony Bergeron at American Christian. American Christian closed in June. Jones was set to transfer to New Jersey power St. Anthony last month, but head coach Bobby Hurley told Zagsblog.net that it was against school policy to accept senior transfers.
Now, Jones may be on his way back to Rice.
Raiders coach Maurice Hicks said he plans to meet this week with Jones' mother, Jeneen Fuller, to talk about Jones returning to Rice.
"We would love to have him back," Hicks said by phone last night. "In my opinion he should have never left. I just think that he's a Rice Raider. I saw that when he was younger and I still see that today."
The CHSAA Scholastic Eligibility Committee, a group composed of principals from member schools, would have to rule on Jones' eligibility to play in the upcoming school year.
League transfer rules require incoming players to sit out a season if they suited up for another school in the previous school year, said Holy Cross coach and Diocese of Brooklyn basketball chairman Paul Gilvary, but the committee can elect to waive the rule in extenuating circumstances.
Hicks said he didn't believe Jones would have to sit out any portion of the CHSAA season because American Christian closed its high school. He also didn't think the Harlem school would have any ill feelings toward Jones, who committed to Louisville as a sophomore but backed out last summer.
"That was a family decision and I understand that," Hicks said. "We miss him and we still miss him. If he was here last year, I think we would have won the state championship."
Jones, a 6-1 guard listed as a three-star prospect by Scout.com, would join Durand Scott in the backcourt if he returns to the Manhattan Catholic high school. The Raiders would also be seen as favorites to win the CHSAA city title.
"They would be very good together," Hicks said of a potential Scott-Jones backcourt. "That would be the best backcourt in the country."
Seton Hall, St. John's, South Florida, Oklahoma State, Xavier, UMass and Providence have all made formal scholarship offers to Jones.
Jones could not be reached for comment
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http://www.zagsblog.net/2008/09/09/momo-jones-to-oak-hill/
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How many schools can a kid go to? High School basketball and the whole transfer situation is a joke
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http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=3646885
The most impressive player in the scrimmage was Oak Hill's 6-0 PG Lamont "MoMo" Jones, who last year played with current Memphis freshman, Tyreke Evans, at American Christian School (Aston, Pa.). After that school closed, Jones was planning to enroll at Rice High School in New York City. However, when Oklahoma commit, Tommy Mason-Griffin, backed out on his earlier decision to attend Oak Hill, and stayed for his senior year at Madison (Houston), Jones quickly jumped at the opportunity to join Oak Hill. He is not jet-quick -- as Brandon Jennings, Oak Hill's point guard for the past two years, was. But, he is strong, confident, and a better shooter than Jennings. Jones led the Warriors in scoring with a combined 29 points and had eight assists. He made 4 of 7 3-point attempts, and was 8-for-8 at the free throw line. He has that Big Apple toughness, plays aggressive defense. Although he is primarily a scoring lead guard, he made some outstanding passes, and was a team player last night. Syracuse could be the school to beat in his recruitment, with Virginia Tech, Charlotte, Seton Hall, Cincinnati and others still involved.
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http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=3646885
The most impressive player in the scrimmage was Oak Hill's 6-0 PG Lamont "MoMo" Jones, who last year played with current Memphis freshman, Tyreke Evans, at American Christian School (Aston, Pa.). After that school closed, Jones was planning to enroll at Rice High School in New York City. However, when Oklahoma commit, Tommy Mason-Griffin, backed out on his earlier decision to attend Oak Hill, and stayed for his senior year at Madison (Houston), Jones quickly jumped at the opportunity to join Oak Hill. He is not jet-quick -- as Brandon Jennings, Oak Hill's point guard for the past two years, was. But, he is strong, confident, and a better shooter than Jennings. Jones led the Warriors in scoring with a combined 29 points and had eight assists. He made 4 of 7 3-point attempts, and was 8-for-8 at the free throw line. He has that Big Apple toughness, plays aggressive defense. Although he is primarily a scoring lead guard, he made some outstanding passes, and was a team player last night. Syracuse could be the school to beat in his recruitment, with Virginia Tech, Charlotte, Seton Hall, Cincinnati and others still involved.
How old is this kid 30? Hes been in more schools than AC Slater
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http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=3646885
The most impressive player in the scrimmage was Oak Hill's 6-0 PG Lamont "MoMo" Jones, who last year played with current Memphis freshman, Tyreke Evans, at American Christian School (Aston, Pa.). After that school closed, Jones was planning to enroll at Rice High School in New York City. However, when Oklahoma commit, Tommy Mason-Griffin, backed out on his earlier decision to attend Oak Hill, and stayed for his senior year at Madison (Houston), Jones quickly jumped at the opportunity to join Oak Hill. He is not jet-quick -- as Brandon Jennings, Oak Hill's point guard for the past two years, was. But, he is strong, confident, and a better shooter than Jennings. Jones led the Warriors in scoring with a combined 29 points and had eight assists. He made 4 of 7 3-point attempts, and was 8-for-8 at the free throw line. He has that Big Apple toughness, plays aggressive defense. Although he is primarily a scoring lead guard, he made some outstanding passes, and was a team player last night. Syracuse could be the school to beat in his recruitment, with Virginia Tech, Charlotte, Seton Hall, Cincinnati and others still involved.
How old is this kid 30? Hes been in more schools than AC Slater
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=3646885
The most impressive player in the scrimmage was Oak Hill's 6-0 PG Lamont "MoMo" Jones, who last year played with current Memphis freshman, Tyreke Evans, at American Christian School (Aston, Pa.). After that school closed, Jones was planning to enroll at Rice High School in New York City. However, when Oklahoma commit, Tommy Mason-Griffin, backed out on his earlier decision to attend Oak Hill, and stayed for his senior year at Madison (Houston), Jones quickly jumped at the opportunity to join Oak Hill. He is not jet-quick -- as Brandon Jennings, Oak Hill's point guard for the past two years, was. But, he is strong, confident, and a better shooter than Jennings. Jones led the Warriors in scoring with a combined 29 points and had eight assists. He made 4 of 7 3-point attempts, and was 8-for-8 at the free throw line. He has that Big Apple toughness, plays aggressive defense. Although he is primarily a scoring lead guard, he made some outstanding passes, and was a team player last night. Syracuse could be the school to beat in his recruitment, with Virginia Tech, Charlotte, Seton Hall, Cincinnati and others still involved.
How old is this kid 30? Hes been in more schools than AC Slater
he is ther same age as Davontay Grace. . and yet Grace is only a Sophomore...
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/11/12/oak-hill-update-momo-tiny-doron/
Smith said Virginia Tech is the leader for Jones, who previously played at both Rice and American Christian in Aston, Pa.
“It’s mainly Virginia Tech,†Smith said. “Seton Hall, Cincinnati, Arkansas and USC [are involved] but he likes Virginia Tech.â€
On the court, Jones is averaging 15.2 points, 5.2 assists and 4.4 rebounds.
“He’s playing well,†Smith said. “We’re 6-0 against some good competition. He’s doing what he needs to do for us to win and he plays on both ends of the court.
“Our point guards usually score a lot for us. Brandon [Jennings] averaged 15 points as a junior, Ty Lawson averaged 18, Rajon Rondo averaged about 18.
“Momo is comparable with the guards we have had. We have 5 guys averaging double figures after six games.â€
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MoMo committed to Virginia Tech today
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MoMo committed to Virginia Tech today
and will de-commit when?
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MoMo committed to Virginia Tech today
and will de-commit when?
Haha
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MoMo committed to Virginia Tech today
and will de-commit when?
Today
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MoMo committed to Virginia Tech today
and will de-commit when?
Today
HAHA what? what happenned now?
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MoMo committed to Virginia Tech today
and will de-commit when?
Today
HAHA what? what happenned now?
I think Telep officially broke it.
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Lotta people out there compare Momo to Corey Fisher. I think there is some of the same, no doubt, but I think they just do that cause both is the same height and is light skinned brothers.
I always thought Momo remind me of former Rice star Jerry McCullough who took his game to Pitt back in the early 90s. Momo shoot it the same way (form) Jerry did back in the day and Jerry could shoot long range Js. Plus both was more scoring first, good handle and good penetration. Both needed work runnin a team.
Now I aint seen Momo in some time. He been bouncin around ever since he left Rice, which I contend was a mistake. He aint a bad kid, just got hisself some lousy advice. Anyways, he doin his thing at Oak Hill and is puttin up some numbers from what I seen. And Oak Hill aint no joke. Look like he filled hisself out from what I seen in the summer. He ready fo D1.
Just imagine what the CHSAA woulda been like this season if Momo, Omari and Kev was still around.
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He aint a bad kid, just got hisself some lousy advice.
what was lousy about the advice to get out of the city..?
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He aint a bad kid, just got hisself some lousy advice.
what was lousy about the advice to get out of the city..?
'Less you is in a real bad situation, I advice players to stay in the city and be loyal to the school that's loyal to them.
Momo was treated good at Rice. He wuz a good student. He wuz gonna be Kemba's heir, but wuz already gettin major mins as an underclassman.
Always weary of when a brother leave the city fo some of these preps. Sometime it work out. Sometime it dont. Momo had good structure here. A lotta righteous brothers had his best in mind. He wudn't on the streets. He didnt have a bounty on his head. This aint no Lee Green situation.
Then they is the fallout out on NYC ball. It been fallin apart wit the departures. Games aint what they use to be. Its like NCAA ball wit all the stars goin to the league. Its gettin watered down - no offense to the hardcore brothers who play day in and out for the CHSAA and PSAL.
Momo seem to be in fine hand 'cept fo the college shoppin around, so I guess it wudn't the wrong decison. Just rather he stay at Rice and become an NYC name.
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He aint a bad kid, just got hisself some lousy advice.
what was lousy about the advice to get out of the city..?
'Less you is in a real bad situation, I advice players to stay in the city and be loyal to the school that's loyal to them.
Momo was treated good at Rice. He wuz a good student. He wuz gonna be Kemba's heir, but wuz already gettin major mins as an underclassman.
Always weary of when a brother leave the city fo some of these preps. Sometime it work out. Sometime it dont. Momo had good structure here. A lotta righteous brothers had his best in mind. He wudn't on the streets. He didnt have a bounty on his head. This aint no Lee Green situation.
Then they is the fallout out on NYC ball. It been fallin apart wit the departures. Games aint what they use to be. Its like NCAA ball wit all the stars goin to the league. Its gettin watered down - no offense to the hardcore brothers who play day in and out for the CHSAA and PSAL.
Momo seem to be in fine hand 'cept fo the college shoppin around, so I guess it wudn't the wrong decison. Just rather he stay at Rice and become an NYC name.
Completely agree about city getting a bit watered down talent wise... seeing all the kids leave is frustrating to say the least.
I thought MoMo left because his Mother wanted him in a better environment. I remember reading article that she wanted to get him out of the city.
Personally, I would rather see a concerned parent, if it was the case, looking out for their child's best interest then some of these kids today that are led around by AAU coaches or "advisors"
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He is more of a shoot first PG I hope he is not looking here unless someone transfers
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He aint a bad kid, just got hisself some lousy advice.
what was lousy about the advice to get out of the city..?
'Less you is in a real bad situation, I advice players to stay in the city and be loyal to the school that's loyal to them.
Momo was treated good at Rice. He wuz a good student. He wuz gonna be Kemba's heir, but wuz already gettin major mins as an underclassman.
Always weary of when a brother leave the city fo some of these preps. Sometime it work out. Sometime it dont. Momo had good structure here. A lotta righteous brothers had his best in mind. He wudn't on the streets. He didnt have a bounty on his head. This aint no Lee Green situation.
Then they is the fallout out on NYC ball. It been fallin apart wit the departures. Games aint what they use to be. Its like NCAA ball wit all the stars goin to the league. Its gettin watered down - no offense to the hardcore brothers who play day in and out for the CHSAA and PSAL.
Momo seem to be in fine hand 'cept fo the college shoppin around, so I guess it wudn't the wrong decison. Just rather he stay at Rice and become an NYC name.
Completely agree about city getting a bit watered down talent wise... seeing all the kids leave is frustrating to say the least.
I thought MoMo left because his Mother wanted him in a better environment. I remember reading article that she wanted to get him out of the city.
Personally, I would rather see a concerned parent, if it was the case, looking out for their child's best interest then some of these kids today that are led around by AAU coaches or "advisors"
two CHSAA high-major prospects are transferring. one outside nyc one to psal. that's the hot rumor rite now.
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two CHSAA high-major prospects are transferring. one outside nyc one to psal. that's the hot rumor rite now.
So when is Pinkston going to Lincoln?
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two CHSAA high-major prospects are transferring. one outside nyc one to psal. that's the hot rumor rite now.
So when is Pinkston going to Lincoln?
St Anthonys and Lincoln, no doubt
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/recruitinginsider/2009/04/former_va_tech_recruit_looking.html?wprss=recruitinginsider (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/recruitinginsider/2009/04/former_va_tech_recruit_looking.html?wprss=recruitinginsider)
Jones has scheduled a visit to Southern California and also is interested in Florida. He said he also has heard from coaches at Kentucky, Arkansas and Duke, while Coach Steve Smith said that Seton Hall and St. John's also had made inquiries. But it seems unlikely he will consider those schools because, he said, "There's not a lot of time left in the process. You can't get to know a person in a two- or four-week time frame."
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One is joey dela rosa. He may go to st.Anthony
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One is joey dela rosa. He may go to st.Anthony
wasn't talking about him. tbh he plays like a player who doesn't want to play but since he's 6'10 he's forced too
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http://www.nbadraft.net/node/5062 (http://www.nbadraft.net/node/5062)
Sr. G Lamont "MoMo" Jones - 5-11, 190 lbs. - Undeclared
Jones, who recently pulled out of a Virginia Tech commitment, was the best player on the court beyond a shadow of a doubt. He has an incredible feel for the game, looks just as comfortable setting up his teammates as scoring himself and plays strong defense. Maybe part of that is because he's still playing for something - a bigger, better offer than the ones he has on the line right now. All I know is, if a team like Duke misses out on John Wall and Eric Bledsoe, MoMo can really play.
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Lamont to USC
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Lamont to USC
And...he decommits again
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/06/09/floyd-out-at-usc-momo-to-leave/#more-17636 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/06/09/floyd-out-at-usc-momo-to-leave/#more-17636)
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Lamont to USC
And...he decommits again
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/06/09/floyd-out-at-usc-momo-to-leave/#more-17636 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/06/09/floyd-out-at-usc-momo-to-leave/#more-17636)
Can't really blame him for this one. Wish we had an opening.
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Zona
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Transferring per Jeff Goodman
http://bit.ly/iiK7uQ (http://bit.ly/iiK7uQ)
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announced it tonight apparently. Don't know to where just yet?
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Transfering is his hobby
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Multiple sources said that they wouldn't be shocked if MoMo Jones wound up at St. John's and tried to get a waiver to play immediately.
http://bit.ly/l7522i (http://bit.ly/l7522i)
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I tried to open up his thread in the 2009 Recruits area.
Now Goodman is saying STJ is possibility and waiver for immediate eligibility.
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haha this is getting ridiculous.....who isnt coming to play ball at sju? we need to get a wavier to add 5 more scholies from the ncaa
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He's welcome to enroll at St.John's and tryout for the team.
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Prefer Harrow even if it meant Harrow has to sit a year and Jones can play immediately.
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PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
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I'll take both... ;)
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If it was feasible if I am Tom Pecora I would push hard for Jones.
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He's not playing at Fordham. I mean lets get real.
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Several sources on twitter reporting that MoMo Jones likely to SJU. Any chance Lavin has already worked this out with Sean Miller? Sounds like the rumor mill swirling for SJU. As far as kids go, wr should take Lamont Jones especially if we can bring him on board this year. No guarantee that Harrow picks us and MoMo is a heck of a talent. We could figure out the rest later.
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Several sources on twitter reporting that MoMo Jones likely to SJU. Any chance Lavin has already worked this out with Sean Miller? Sounds like the rumor mill swirling for SJU. As far as kids go, wr should take Lamont Jones especially if we can bring him on board this year. No guarantee that Harrow picks us and MoMo is a heck of a talent. We could figure out the rest later.
The word is (per Goodman) MoMo has a sick family member back home.
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Harrow better just commit to us now before he loses a chance to play here.
Damn this Lavin recruiting is just getting crazy. He needs to recruit for 2 teams so many kids want to play for him
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He's not playing at Fordham. I mean lets get real.
Thanks. Surely you jest...
BTW-Jones leaving 'Zona, Dalton Pepper leaving West Virginia and Anthony Crater failed his 3rd drug test at S Florida and he has been kicked off the team.
I would only take Jones of he got the waiver and even then I am not sure I want him over Harrow. But at least you would get an experienced guard who can play immediately.
I think either way Stith is a goner. Probably won't last pass the summer.
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He's not playing at Fordham. I mean lets get real.
Thanks. Surely you jest...
BTW-Jones leaving 'Zona, Dalton Pepper leaving West Virginia and Anthony Crater failed his 3rd drug test at S Florida and he has been kicked off the team.
I would only take Jones of he got the waiver and even then I am not sure I want him over Harrow. But at least you would get an experienced guard who can play immediately.
I think either way Stith is a goner. Probably won't last pass the summer.
What is it about Harrow that you like so much?
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Whatever the outcome this press is positive for St. John's. Who doesn't want to come to St. John's? Puts positive pressure to commit before someone else just as talented does.
I'd be very surprised if MoMo came to St. John's. Stranger things have happened.
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He's not playing at Fordham. I mean lets get real.
Thanks. Surely you jest...
BTW-Jones leaving 'Zona, Dalton Pepper leaving West Virginia and Anthony Crater failed his 3rd drug test at S Florida and he has been kicked off the team.
I would only take Jones of he got the waiver and even then I am not sure I want him over Harrow. But at least you would get an experienced guard who can play immediately.
I think either way Stith is a goner. Probably won't last pass the summer.
What is it about Harrow that you like so much?
Harrow had numbers similar to MoMo as a freshman. Harrow is a great scorer and passer. I think he can be our next elite PG. The year off will be great for him to build his frame and learn the system. In all seriousness, if it came down to Harrow or MoMo, i'd prefer Harrow. Any way you cut it, are any of these really bad options? These are fantastic problems to have.
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Whatever the outcome this press is positive for St. John's. Who doesn't want to come to St. John's? Puts positive pressure to commit before someone else just as talented does.
I'd be very surprised if MoMo came to St. John's. Stranger things have happened.
OK I'll bite.
Why would you be surprised? He said "My desire to be closer to my family, and in particular my grandmother, is the reason I am transferring." So coming back home that would put STJ, SHU, Fordham, other local schools. We have his old HS coach. And I recall some quotes earlier this year where he expressed regret leaving Rice. An immediate contributor to a freshman laden team.
So again why do you think no.
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I'd rather have Harrow but then again it would be fun hearing Minko say MoMo to Moe for 2 mo points
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I don't know MCN. I'm not sure I would rather have Harrow. I hear what you are saying, kid is a talent. I like MoMo's intangibles better. I was really impressed with him during the NCAA tournament. I saw a kid perform well on a big stage. For us to possibly have that next year, for a young team to have a seasoned QB, I got to take that. Down the road, Harrow has a much higher potential. Interesting debate.
But I can def agree, we are in a great position these days.
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I don't know MCN. I'm not sure I would rather have Harrow. I hear what you are saying, kid is a talent. I like MoMo's intangibles better. I was really impressed with him during the NCAA tournament. I saw a kid perform well on a big stage. For us to possibly have that next year, for a young team to have a seasoned QB, I got to take that. Down the road, Harrow has a much higher potential. Interesting debate.
But I can def agree, we are in a great position these days.
Yeah, I just feel like its no-lose scenarios one after another lately. Harrow vs MoMo. One 5 star kid or another 5 star kid. I don't think we can lose with either one. I too love MoMo's intangibles. I love what Harrow has to offer also. Wish we could take both. It's great to be part of the upper tier recruiting-wise though. I thought we'd have to wait a few years to see what Lavin can do. At this point, I don't think i can name
10 guys who I'd rather have recruiting for us than Steve Lavin and that is quite a testament.
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so if he comes here and we have jevon we cant get ANYONE else?
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/16/momo-jones-transferring/#more-52444 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/16/momo-jones-transferring/#more-52444)
“After much thought, I have decided to pursue my goals at a school closer to home. My desire to be closer to my family, and in particular my grandmother, is the reason I am transferring. I want it to be known that I love this program, my coaches and teammates. I appreciate everyone for supporting me through this tough time.”
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Aren't we expecting Nurideen Lindsey to be running the point from day 1?
Nurideen included.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/05/16/jones.arizona.ap/index.html?sct=cb_t2_a10 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/05/16/jones.arizona.ap/index.html?sct=cb_t2_a10)
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Multiple sources said that they wouldn't be shocked if MoMo Jones wound up at St. John's and tried to get a waiver to play immediately.
http://bit.ly/l7522i (http://bit.ly/l7522i)
Would it be possible to play immediately?
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Multiple sources said that they wouldn't be shocked if MoMo Jones wound up at St. John's and tried to get a waiver to play immediately.
http://bit.ly/l7522i (http://bit.ly/l7522i)
Would it be possible to play immediately?
Not a chance.
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Multiple sources said that they wouldn't be shocked if MoMo Jones wound up at St. John's and tried to get a waiver to play immediately.
http://bit.ly/l7522i (http://bit.ly/l7522i)
Would it be possible to play immediately?
Not a chance.
Why do you say not a chance? He has a sick grandmother. I have seen too many cases over the years where immediate eligibility was granted. It's about time the sun shine on us in a case like that.
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3 high schools. 3 college commitments? No thanks.
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3 high schools. 3 college commitments? No thanks.
Well...he's not afraid to make a decision. He's got that going for him.
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He's not playing at Fordham. I mean lets get real.
Thanks. Surely you jest...
BTW-Jones leaving 'Zona, Dalton Pepper leaving West Virginia and Anthony Crater failed his 3rd drug test at S Florida and he has been kicked off the team.
I would only take Jones of he got the waiver and even then I am not sure I want him over Harrow. But at least you would get an experienced guard who can play immediately.
I think either way Stith is a goner. Probably won't last pass the summer.
What is it about Harrow that you like so much?
Basically I prefer his skill set as a pure PG to Jones. But just my opinion.
Will be interesting because Moose hit on it, Moe Hicks could be influential if he believes that MoMo is a better fit at SJU then Harrow.
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Slow-Mo > MoMo
Kyle Anderson appreciated that tweet too.
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Slow-Mo > MoMo
Kyle Anderson appreciated that tweet too.
But Dave are you saying YOU would prefer KA over MoMo or are you saying that you hear the STAFF prefers it that way?
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Slow-Mo > MoMo
Kyle Anderson appreciated that tweet too.
But Dave are you saying YOU would prefer KA over MoMo or are you saying that you hear the STAFF prefers it that way?
Yeah Dave and don't ignore my post to you above :)
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3 high schools. 3 college commitments? No thanks.
my sentiments exactly
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Whatever the outcome this press is positive for St. John's. Who doesn't want to come to St. John's? Puts positive pressure to commit before someone else just as talented does.
I'd be very surprised if MoMo came to St. John's. Stranger things have happened.
OK I'll bite.
Why would you be surprised? He said "My desire to be closer to my family, and in particular my grandmother, is the reason I am transferring." So coming back home that would put STJ, SHU, Fordham, other local schools. We have his old HS coach. And I recall some quotes earlier this year where he expressed regret leaving Rice. An immediate contributor to a freshman laden team.
So again why do you think no.
Sorry didn't see this before.
I would just be surprised because of team dynamics and how I'd envision the rotation playing out. I'm not sure I'd want MoMo here or here right away. I'm not sure MoMo would either.
He's talented for sure but St. John's is in the position to be picky in the back court.
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Whatever the outcome this press is positive for St. John's. Who doesn't want to come to St. John's? Puts positive pressure to commit before someone else just as talented does.
I'd be very surprised if MoMo came to St. John's. Stranger things have happened.
OK I'll bite.
Why would you be surprised? He said "My desire to be closer to my family, and in particular my grandmother, is the reason I am transferring." So coming back home that would put STJ, SHU, Fordham, other local schools. We have his old HS coach. And I recall some quotes earlier this year where he expressed regret leaving Rice. An immediate contributor to a freshman laden team.
So again why do you think no.
Sorry didn't see this before.
I would just be surprised because of team dynamics and how I'd envision the rotation playing out. I'm not sure I'd want MoMo here or here right away. I'm not sure MoMo would either.
He's talented for sure but St. John's is in the position to be picky in the back court.
Agreed that is why I don't think MoMo comes to SJU. I do however think he would prefer it.
I also don't think it will necessarily be directly in the NY area or even the BE. I could see a fit at Providence or even a school like Dayton (Archie Miller now the coach formerly at Arizona with his brother).
I also think a waiver is a reach especially for a grandmother. Maybe for a father or mother but not for a grandmother.
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3 high schools. 3 college commitments? No thanks.
And one Elite 8.
More experiene than our entire roster combined....Nurdeen is very talented, but he's played one year of basketball in the last 3 seasons. No offense to Stith, but a Momo/Lindsay rotation at PG gives this incoming class a chance to do something truly sepecial. Not sure Lindsay/Stith does the same....
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Agreed that is why I don't think MoMo comes to SJU. I do however think he would prefer it.
I also don't think it will necessarily be directly in the NY area or even the BE. I could see a fit at Providence or even a school like Dayton (Archie Miller now the coach formerly at Arizona with his brother).
I also think a waiver is a reach especially for a grandmother. Maybe for a father or mother but not for a grandmother.
Some people are very close to their grandparents. Not to mention, some are even raised by 'em.
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3 high schools. 3 college commitments? No thanks.
And one Elite 8.
More experiene than our entire roster combined....Nurdeen is very talented, but he's played one year of basketball in the last 3 seasons. No offense to Stith, but a Momo/Lindsay rotation at PG gives this incoming class a chance to do something truly sepecial. Not sure Lindsay/Stith does the same....
Where does Stith enter the equation at all?
Lindsey/Harrison then Stith/Greene. You add MoMo into the mix surely the team is better but not sure everyone stays happy.
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Agreed that is why I don't think MoMo comes to SJU. I do however think he would prefer it.
I also don't think it will necessarily be directly in the NY area or even the BE. I could see a fit at Providence or even a school like Dayton (Archie Miller now the coach formerly at Arizona with his brother).
I also think a waiver is a reach especially for a grandmother. Maybe for a father or mother but not for a grandmother.
Some people are very close to their grandparents. Not to mention, some are even raised by 'em.
That's not my point. You have to look at it from the NCAA perspective. You could be really close to a cousin as well. No doubt.
But the NCAA is the one that has to extend the waiver and they have been cracking down on them in terms of being very restrictive on what parameters are used to grant one. Remember the NCAA is not restricting him from transferring, all they require is that he sit out a year. What he is saying is there are extraordinary circumstances that force him to transfer back to the east coast and be closer to his family and because of this he would like to play immediately.
Being closer to one's sick grandmother, while admirable and I am sure genuine, could be grounds for a lot of people to play immediately after a transfer. That is my point.
Impossible? No but unlikely imho.
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J'mison Morgan got one for a sick grandmother when he transferred to Baylor as did a FB player from USC who transferred back to Arkansas.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/5584017 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/5584017)
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Agreed that is why I don't think MoMo comes to SJU. I do however think he would prefer it.
I also don't think it will necessarily be directly in the NY area or even the BE. I could see a fit at Providence or even a school like Dayton (Archie Miller now the coach formerly at Arizona with his brother).
I also think a waiver is a reach especially for a grandmother. Maybe for a father or mother but not for a grandmother.
Some people are very close to their grandparents. Not to mention, some are even raised by 'em.
That's not my point. You have to look at it from the NCAA perspective. You could be really close to a cousin as well. No doubt.
But the NCAA is the one that has to extend the waiver and they have been cracking down on them in terms of being very restrictive on what parameters are used to grant one. Remember the NCAA is not restricting him from transferring, all they require is that he sit out a year. What he is saying is there are extraordinary circumstances that force him to transfer back to the east coast and be closer to his family and because of this he would like to play immediately.
Being closer to one's sick grandmother, while admirable and I am sure genuine, could be grounds for a lot of people to play immediately after a transfer. That is my point.
Impossible? No but unlikely imho.
Truth (that NC2A will see behind the scenes too) = Josiah Turner, Nick Johnson = Transfer
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J'mison Morgan got one for a sick grandmother when he transferred to Baylor as did a FB player from USC who transferred back to Arkansas.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/5584017 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/5584017)
What I know about Lamont is that both of his parents are alive and his grandmother is not his legal guardian.
I would agree that if it were true that his grandmother were say the breadwinner in the family or his legal guardian then yes his chances would improve. And if I am mistaken and that is the case then again his chances greatly improve.
Simply being "close" to your grandmother won't be sufficient was my point.
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Agreed that is why I don't think MoMo comes to SJU. I do however think he would prefer it.
I also don't think it will necessarily be directly in the NY area or even the BE. I could see a fit at Providence or even a school like Dayton (Archie Miller now the coach formerly at Arizona with his brother).
I also think a waiver is a reach especially for a grandmother. Maybe for a father or mother but not for a grandmother.
Some people are very close to their grandparents. Not to mention, some are even raised by 'em.
That's not my point. You have to look at it from the NCAA perspective. You could be really close to a cousin as well. No doubt.
But the NCAA is the one that has to extend the waiver and they have been cracking down on them in terms of being very restrictive on what parameters are used to grant one. Remember the NCAA is not restricting him from transferring, all they require is that he sit out a year. What he is saying is there are extraordinary circumstances that force him to transfer back to the east coast and be closer to his family and because of this he would like to play immediately.
Being closer to one's sick grandmother, while admirable and I am sure genuine, could be grounds for a lot of people to play immediately after a transfer. That is my point.
Impossible? No but unlikely imho.
I had an idea what your point was initially. I was just stating some people are very close to their grandmother and in some cases, they are raised or brought up by 'em. I know it's a slippery slope when the grandparents come into the equation (with the NCAA), but it's a slope that does have some merit to it.
Will MoMo be granted the immediate waiver? Time will eventually tell.
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Truth (that NC2A will see behind the scenes too) = Josiah Turner, Nick Johnson = Transfer
Yes, that could also play a role in the NCAA's decision.
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
High School Hopefuls (Ryan Harrow) pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyo2b-mUhDI#)
this might answer your questions about harrows heart and desire to improve.
BTW he sounds like Mos Deff in 16 blocks.
Id rather have harrow but now id almost be shocked if we didn't end up with either one of them
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Is the reason for transferring because he will be pushed for the starting spot in Arizona?
I wonder if Masiello has something up his sleeve for this guy
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Is the reason for transferring because he will be pushed for the starting spot in Arizona?
I wonder if Masiello has something up his sleeve for this guy
"Something up his sleeve" in a Chris Mills/Tim Floyd kinda way? lmao... I hope Steve keeps my alma mater in tact and is mature enough to represent our HS well too...
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Look at this post from the Fordham board
"early word is that it looks like SJU for momo but i am just wondering if they are over their budget to pay any more incoming recruits for next year. I mean at some point that brown paper bag money has to run out. "
http://fordhamfans.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=19.msg82191#new (http://fordhamfans.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=19.msg82191#new)
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Look at this post from the Fordham board
"early word is that it looks like SJU for momo but i am just wondering if they are over their budget to pay any more incoming recruits for next year. I mean at some point that brown paper bag money has to run out. "
http://fordhamfans.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=19.msg82191#new (http://fordhamfans.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=19.msg82191#new)
;D I can't do nothing but laugh.
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
High School Hopefuls (Ryan Harrow) pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyo2b-mUhDI#)
this might answer your questions about harrows heart and desire to improve.
BTW he sounds like Mos Deff in 16 blocks.
Id rather have harrow but now id almost be shocked if we didn't end up with either one of them
LOLOLOL
My friend who is DIEHARD NC State fan and alum was killing him last night (after twice posting stuff on my wall last year about how good he was). He said he sounded like Urquel!!!! LOL now I see. Jesus...this kid is like 14 physically...which could mean that he is ready to explode once he physically matures.
Momo and Harrow...I'd take over Nuri and my boy Stith. Proven guys...especially Momo who started the whole season for a team that came a shot away from the Final Four. Stith would be the easiest to cut b/c of all the backcourt talent...the writing is on the wall. Just call him into the office and be like "look fella, Nuri, Phil Greene, Harrow, Momo, HARRISON, Pointer, Garret...I like your game, but you're not going to see the floor. You need to go to school that can give you 30 mpg."
Moose, this kid has no shot at a waiver because of his grandmother. The NCAA only grants those VERY VERY rarely and I know Momo lived with his mother growing up. It's a really slippery slope, because everyone has a sick grandparent or cousin.
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I'm not questioning his desire to get better, but I am questioning how Harrow fits into a team. The videos and stuff I have seen from an NC State fan's perspective has been that he's got a lot of maturing to do. And lets be honest, 99% of the videos and stuff out there on him is showing off his dunking ability, which as a PG, I could care less about. He can have all the potential in the world, but if you lack certain traits like leadership and unselfishness, then it won't translate. He has to be about winning, not his stats or his highlights.
Basically, I love Harrow's potential, but am worried that he's not on the right track to fulfill it. I am confident in our staff and the year off to help him get better and mature.
To me, Momo has a bit more of a NY type attitude and mentality, that could pay dividends right away for a young team trying to learn how to win next year.
If Momo though can't get the waiver, then I'd say Harrow has more upside.
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
High School Hopefuls (Ryan Harrow) pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyo2b-mUhDI#)
this might answer your questions about harrows heart and desire to improve.
BTW he sounds like Mos Deff in 16 blocks.
Id rather have harrow but now id almost be shocked if we didn't end up with either one of them
LOLOLOL
My friend who is DIEHARD NC State fan and alum was killing him last night (after twice posting stuff on my wall last year about how good he was). He said he sounded like Urquel!!!! LOL now I see. Jesus...this kid is like 14 physically...which could mean that he is ready to explode once he physically matures.
Momo and Harrow...I'd take over Nuri and my boy Stith. Proven guys...especially Momo who started the whole season for a team that came a shot away from the Final Four. Stith would be the easiest to cut b/c of all the backcourt talent...the writing is on the wall. Just call him into the office and be like "look fella, Nuri, Phil Greene, Harrow, Momo, HARRISON, Pointer, Garret...I like your game, but you're not going to see the floor. You need to go to school that can give you 30 mpg."
Moose, this kid has no shot at a waiver because of his grandmother. The NCAA only grants those VERY VERY rarely and I know Momo lived with his mother growing up. It's a really slippery slope, because everyone has a sick grandparent or cousin.
You may be right.. and it probably does happen.. but your comments about Stith are pretty unethical.
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
High School Hopefuls (Ryan Harrow) pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyo2b-mUhDI#)
this might answer your questions about harrows heart and desire to improve.
BTW he sounds like Mos Deff in 16 blocks.
Id rather have harrow but now id almost be shocked if we didn't end up with either one of them
LOLOLOL
My friend who is DIEHARD NC State fan and alum was killing him last night (after twice posting stuff on my wall last year about how good he was). He said he sounded like Urquel!!!! LOL now I see. Jesus...this kid is like 14 physically...which could mean that he is ready to explode once he physically matures.
Momo and Harrow...I'd take over Nuri and my boy Stith. Proven guys...especially Momo who started the whole season for a team that came a shot away from the Final Four. Stith would be the easiest to cut b/c of all the backcourt talent...the writing is on the wall. Just call him into the office and be like "look fella, Nuri, Phil Greene, Harrow, Momo, HARRISON, Pointer, Garret...I like your game, but you're not going to see the floor. You need to go to school that can give you 30 mpg."
Moose, this kid has no shot at a waiver because of his grandmother. The NCAA only grants those VERY VERY rarely and I know Momo lived with his mother growing up. It's a really slippery slope, because everyone has a sick grandparent or cousin.
From what I'm told, Lindsey is leagues better than Harrow and Jones. Leagues better.
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I'm not questioning his desire to get better, but I am questioning how Harrow fits into a team. The videos and stuff I have seen from an NC State fan's perspective has been that he's got a lot of maturing to do. And lets be honest, 99% of the videos and stuff out there on him is showing off his dunking ability, which as a PG, I could care less about. He can have all the potential in the world, but if you lack certain traits like leadership and unselfishness, then it won't translate. He has to be about winning, not his stats or his highlights.
Basically, I love Harrow's potential, but am worried that he's not on the right track to fulfill it. I am confident in our staff and the year off to help him get better and mature.
To me, Momo has a bit more of a NY type attitude and mentality, that could pay dividends right away for a young team trying to learn how to win next year.
If Momo though can't get the waiver, then I'd say Harrow has more upside.
Harrow has much higher upside that Momo IMO....it's not even close. I completely agree with you that Harrow needs to mature based on everything I've seen/heard/read. The videos do show a lot of him dunking, but he also has a FILTHY handle and creative passing ability. He also shot 87% from the line at 3 attempts per as a freshman and that is invaluable at the end of games out of your PG. He has the athletic ability to match what we have 2-4.
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
High School Hopefuls (Ryan Harrow) pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyo2b-mUhDI#)
this might answer your questions about harrows heart and desire to improve.
BTW he sounds like Mos Deff in 16 blocks.
Id rather have harrow but now id almost be shocked if we didn't end up with either one of them
LOLOLOL
My friend who is DIEHARD NC State fan and alum was killing him last night (after twice posting stuff on my wall last year about how good he was). He said he sounded like Urquel!!!! LOL now I see. Jesus...this kid is like 14 physically...which could mean that he is ready to explode once he physically matures.
Momo and Harrow...I'd take over Nuri and my boy Stith. Proven guys...especially Momo who started the whole season for a team that came a shot away from the Final Four. Stith would be the easiest to cut b/c of all the backcourt talent...the writing is on the wall. Just call him into the office and be like "look fella, Nuri, Phil Greene, Harrow, Momo, HARRISON, Pointer, Garret...I like your game, but you're not going to see the floor. You need to go to school that can give you 30 mpg."
Moose, this kid has no shot at a waiver because of his grandmother. The NCAA only grants those VERY VERY rarely and I know Momo lived with his mother growing up. It's a really slippery slope, because everyone has a sick grandparent or cousin.
Its about time the sun shined on us for a waiver like this. Some of the waivers they have granted have been head scratching.
I don't think the NCAA wants negative press. If they said no and he kicked and screamed and put up a fight the egg would be on their face in the ultra sensitive world we live in.
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
High School Hopefuls (Ryan Harrow) pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyo2b-mUhDI#)
this might answer your questions about harrows heart and desire to improve.
BTW he sounds like Mos Deff in 16 blocks.
Id rather have harrow but now id almost be shocked if we didn't end up with either one of them
LOLOLOL
My friend who is DIEHARD NC State fan and alum was killing him last night (after twice posting stuff on my wall last year about how good he was). He said he sounded like Urquel!!!! LOL now I see. Jesus...this kid is like 14 physically...which could mean that he is ready to explode once he physically matures.
Momo and Harrow...I'd take over Nuri and my boy Stith. Proven guys...especially Momo who started the whole season for a team that came a shot away from the Final Four. Stith would be the easiest to cut b/c of all the backcourt talent...the writing is on the wall. Just call him into the office and be like "look fella, Nuri, Phil Greene, Harrow, Momo, HARRISON, Pointer, Garret...I like your game, but you're not going to see the floor. You need to go to school that can give you 30 mpg."
Moose, this kid has no shot at a waiver because of his grandmother. The NCAA only grants those VERY VERY rarely and I know Momo lived with his mother growing up. It's a really slippery slope, because everyone has a sick grandparent or cousin.
From what I'm told, Lindsey is leagues better than Harrow and Jones. Leagues better.
I find that hard to believe. Lindsey is older than Harrow for one, but I think Harrow is a true point guard and as far as the NBA is concerned has all the physical tools to be a first rounder. Is he mature? Will he D up? Will he put in the work? Will he be a cancer? Don't know the answers. Only Lav can evaluate that when they meet.
In terms of athletic ability, Lindsey is about a 6 or 7 while Harrow is a 9 at worst. Lindsey looks infinitely stronger, however, and will def be a better scorer. Different players...Harrow's handle is filthy and Lindsey's is adequate for the point position.
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
High School Hopefuls (Ryan Harrow) pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyo2b-mUhDI#)
this might answer your questions about harrows heart and desire to improve.
BTW he sounds like Mos Deff in 16 blocks.
Id rather have harrow but now id almost be shocked if we didn't end up with either one of them
LOLOLOL
My friend who is DIEHARD NC State fan and alum was killing him last night (after twice posting stuff on my wall last year about how good he was). He said he sounded like Urquel!!!! LOL now I see. Jesus...this kid is like 14 physically...which could mean that he is ready to explode once he physically matures.
Momo and Harrow...I'd take over Nuri and my boy Stith. Proven guys...especially Momo who started the whole season for a team that came a shot away from the Final Four. Stith would be the easiest to cut b/c of all the backcourt talent...the writing is on the wall. Just call him into the office and be like "look fella, Nuri, Phil Greene, Harrow, Momo, HARRISON, Pointer, Garret...I like your game, but you're not going to see the floor. You need to go to school that can give you 30 mpg."
Moose, this kid has no shot at a waiver because of his grandmother. The NCAA only grants those VERY VERY rarely and I know Momo lived with his mother growing up. It's a really slippery slope, because everyone has a sick grandparent or cousin.
From what I'm told, Lindsey is leagues better than Harrow and Jones. Leagues better.
I find that hard to believe. Lindsey is older than Harrow for one, but I think Harrow is a true point guard and as far as the NBA is concerned has all the physical tools to be a first rounder. Is he mature? Will he D up? Will he put in the work? Will he be a cancer? Don't know the answers. Only Lav can evaluate that when they meet.
In terms of athletic ability, Lindsey is about a 6 or 7 while Harrow is a 9 at worst. Lindsey looks infinitely stronger, however, and will def be a better scorer. Different players...Harrow's handle is filthy and Lindsey's is adequate for the point position.
Regardless, we're not talking Lindsey vs Harrow. We very likely will end up witty both, which is a great thing. Don't know why people are questioning Harrows athleticicm. No, it's it always important for a PG to dunk, but it says something very important about his level of speed, explosiveness and athleticism. So what the kid is skinny? Doesn't mean much at all. He's got a phenomenal handle, speed, passing ability and just needs some strength on his frame. That will be easy sitting out a year and practicing with the team. Harrow is a no-brainer if we can land him IMO.
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
High School Hopefuls (Ryan Harrow) pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyo2b-mUhDI#)
this might answer your questions about harrows heart and desire to improve.
BTW he sounds like Mos Deff in 16 blocks.
Id rather have harrow but now id almost be shocked if we didn't end up with either one of them
LOLOLOL
My friend who is DIEHARD NC State fan and alum was killing him last night (after twice posting stuff on my wall last year about how good he was). He said he sounded like Urquel!!!! LOL now I see. Jesus...this kid is like 14 physically...which could mean that he is ready to explode once he physically matures.
Momo and Harrow...I'd take over Nuri and my boy Stith. Proven guys...especially Momo who started the whole season for a team that came a shot away from the Final Four. Stith would be the easiest to cut b/c of all the backcourt talent...the writing is on the wall. Just call him into the office and be like "look fella, Nuri, Phil Greene, Harrow, Momo, HARRISON, Pointer, Garret...I like your game, but you're not going to see the floor. You need to go to school that can give you 30 mpg."
Moose, this kid has no shot at a waiver because of his grandmother. The NCAA only grants those VERY VERY rarely and I know Momo lived with his mother growing up. It's a really slippery slope, because everyone has a sick grandparent or cousin.
From what I'm told, Lindsey is leagues better than Harrow and Jones. Leagues better.
I find that hard to believe. Lindsey is older than Harrow for one, but I think Harrow is a true point guard and as far as the NBA is concerned has all the physical tools to be a first rounder. Is he mature? Will he D up? Will he put in the work? Will he be a cancer? Don't know the answers. Only Lav can evaluate that when they meet.
In terms of athletic ability, Lindsey is about a 6 or 7 while Harrow is a 9 at worst. Lindsey looks infinitely stronger, however, and will def be a better scorer. Different players...Harrow's handle is filthy and Lindsey's is adequate for the point position.
I wish I could tell all this info like you from watching a 2 min highlight tape on youtube. Personally I can't gauge all of this by watching a guy's best plays. I can see some of the guy's capabilities and potential but if I put all my stock into highlights then Dele Coker was the next Dikembe Mutumbo.
I think it's safe to say these are all guys who were out of reach for St. John's potentially 2 years ago. Deciding on who not to take its a fantastic problem to have.
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
High School Hopefuls (Ryan Harrow) pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyo2b-mUhDI#)
this might answer your questions about harrows heart and desire to improve.
BTW he sounds like Mos Deff in 16 blocks.
Id rather have harrow but now id almost be shocked if we didn't end up with either one of them
LOLOLOL
My friend who is DIEHARD NC State fan and alum was killing him last night (after twice posting stuff on my wall last year about how good he was). He said he sounded like Urquel!!!! LOL now I see. Jesus...this kid is like 14 physically...which could mean that he is ready to explode once he physically matures.
Momo and Harrow...I'd take over Nuri and my boy Stith. Proven guys...especially Momo who started the whole season for a team that came a shot away from the Final Four. Stith would be the easiest to cut b/c of all the backcourt talent...the writing is on the wall. Just call him into the office and be like "look fella, Nuri, Phil Greene, Harrow, Momo, HARRISON, Pointer, Garret...I like your game, but you're not going to see the floor. You need to go to school that can give you 30 mpg."
Moose, this kid has no shot at a waiver because of his grandmother. The NCAA only grants those VERY VERY rarely and I know Momo lived with his mother growing up. It's a really slippery slope, because everyone has a sick grandparent or cousin.
From what I'm told, Lindsey is leagues better than Harrow and Jones. Leagues better.
I find that hard to believe. Lindsey is older than Harrow for one, but I think Harrow is a true point guard and as far as the NBA is concerned has all the physical tools to be a first rounder. Is he mature? Will he D up? Will he put in the work? Will he be a cancer? Don't know the answers. Only Lav can evaluate that when they meet.
In terms of athletic ability, Lindsey is about a 6 or 7 while Harrow is a 9 at worst. Lindsey looks infinitely stronger, however, and will def be a better scorer. Different players...Harrow's handle is filthy and Lindsey's is adequate for the point position.
Regardless, we're not talking Lindsey vs Harrow. We very likely will end up witty both, which is a great thing. Don't know why people are questioning Harrows athleticicm. No, it's it always important for a PG to dunk, but it says something very important about his level of speed, explosiveness and athleticism. So what the kid is skinny? Doesn't mean much at all. He's got a phenomenal handle, speed, passing ability and just needs some strength on his frame. That will be easy sitting out a year and practicing with the team. Harrow is a no-brainer if we can land him IMO.
Durant = 1 bench press rep at NBA combine.
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
High School Hopefuls (Ryan Harrow) pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyo2b-mUhDI#)
this might answer your questions about harrows heart and desire to improve.
BTW he sounds like Mos Deff in 16 blocks.
Id rather have harrow but now id almost be shocked if we didn't end up with either one of them
LOLOLOL
My friend who is DIEHARD NC State fan and alum was killing him last night (after twice posting stuff on my wall last year about how good he was). He said he sounded like Urquel!!!! LOL now I see. Jesus...this kid is like 14 physically...which could mean that he is ready to explode once he physically matures.
Momo and Harrow...I'd take over Nuri and my boy Stith. Proven guys...especially Momo who started the whole season for a team that came a shot away from the Final Four. Stith would be the easiest to cut b/c of all the backcourt talent...the writing is on the wall. Just call him into the office and be like "look fella, Nuri, Phil Greene, Harrow, Momo, HARRISON, Pointer, Garret...I like your game, but you're not going to see the floor. You need to go to school that can give you 30 mpg."
Moose, this kid has no shot at a waiver because of his grandmother. The NCAA only grants those VERY VERY rarely and I know Momo lived with his mother growing up. It's a really slippery slope, because everyone has a sick grandparent or cousin.
From what I'm told, Lindsey is leagues better than Harrow and Jones. Leagues better.
I find that hard to believe. Lindsey is older than Harrow for one, but I think Harrow is a true point guard and as far as the NBA is concerned has all the physical tools to be a first rounder. Is he mature? Will he D up? Will he put in the work? Will he be a cancer? Don't know the answers. Only Lav can evaluate that when they meet.
In terms of athletic ability, Lindsey is about a 6 or 7 while Harrow is a 9 at worst. Lindsey looks infinitely stronger, however, and will def be a better scorer. Different players...Harrow's handle is filthy and Lindsey's is adequate for the point position.
Regardless, we're not talking Lindsey vs Harrow. We very likely will end up witty both, which is a great thing. Don't know why people are questioning Harrows athleticicm. No, it's it always important for a PG to dunk, but it says something very important about his level of speed, explosiveness and athleticism. So what the kid is skinny? Doesn't mean much at all. He's got a phenomenal handle, speed, passing ability and just needs some strength on his frame. That will be easy sitting out a year and practicing with the team. Harrow is a no-brainer if we can land him IMO.
Durant = 1 bench press rep at NBA combine.
Harrow=slightly bigger Juan Dixon!
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Ok
Its 1 day later and no list or possible schools really being mentioned outside of Goodman's speculation.
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pretty interesting tweet from Jevon Thomas 17 minutes ago.. " if they recruit another guard im out!!! "
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
High School Hopefuls (Ryan Harrow) pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyo2b-mUhDI#)
this might answer your questions about harrows heart and desire to improve.
BTW he sounds like Mos Deff in 16 blocks.
Id rather have harrow but now id almost be shocked if we didn't end up with either one of them
LOLOLOL
My friend who is DIEHARD NC State fan and alum was killing him last night (after twice posting stuff on my wall last year about how good he was). He said he sounded like Urquel!!!! LOL now I see. Jesus...this kid is like 14 physically...which could mean that he is ready to explode once he physically matures.
Momo and Harrow...I'd take over Nuri and my boy Stith. Proven guys...especially Momo who started the whole season for a team that came a shot away from the Final Four. Stith would be the easiest to cut b/c of all the backcourt talent...the writing is on the wall. Just call him into the office and be like "look fella, Nuri, Phil Greene, Harrow, Momo, HARRISON, Pointer, Garret...I like your game, but you're not going to see the floor. You need to go to school that can give you 30 mpg."
Moose, this kid has no shot at a waiver because of his grandmother. The NCAA only grants those VERY VERY rarely and I know Momo lived with his mother growing up. It's a really slippery slope, because everyone has a sick grandparent or cousin.
From what I'm told, Lindsey is leagues better than Harrow and Jones. Leagues better.
I find that hard to believe. Lindsey is older than Harrow for one, but I think Harrow is a true point guard and as far as the NBA is concerned has all the physical tools to be a first rounder. Is he mature? Will he D up? Will he put in the work? Will he be a cancer? Don't know the answers. Only Lav can evaluate that when they meet.
In terms of athletic ability, Lindsey is about a 6 or 7 while Harrow is a 9 at worst. Lindsey looks infinitely stronger, however, and will def be a better scorer. Different players...Harrow's handle is filthy and Lindsey's is adequate for the point position.
I wish I could tell all this info like you from watching a 2 min highlight tape on youtube. Personally I can't gauge all of this by watching a guy's best plays. I can see some of the guy's capabilities and potential but if I put all my stock into highlights then Dele Coker was the next Dikembe Mutumbo.
I think it's safe to say these are all guys who were out of reach for St. John's potentially 2 years ago. Deciding on who not to take its a fantastic problem to have.
If you can't evaluate a kid's athletic abilty from a video than that is pretty sad. Watching a six footer tomahawk dunks and fly by his man...utilizing jump stops a great crossover and other skill is enough. I've never seen Michael Jordan in person, but I'm pretty sure he was awesome.
I know coaches that offer kids based soley on highlight videos. They don't look to see the ball go in--because it always does--they look at form and other skills. It's obviously better to see a person in person AND have the tapes, but I'll take the tapes over seeing a kid in AAU any day of the week. A meaningful high school game is a different story.
Harrow is a stellar athlete...and you don't need the hour of video of him on youtube to reach that conclusion...it's apparent immediately.
And funny you mention Dele, because I caught slack on here calling him Abe Keita when he was a freshman...I make a lot of claims about recruits...find me more than 3-4 mistakes I've made before you make jokes about how I can break down film. It used to be my job to look at video for the coach to see who was even worth a look out of the hundreds of highlight tapes we received. Yeah, it was only juco but ball is ball.
I agree with you that this is a good problem to have. It's a different world with Lav.
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I'd prefer Jones over Harrow I think. I'm not sold on Harrow's heart and toughness. He's more talenetd maybe, but Jones has already proven to be a winning PG. Harrow seems more concerned with being fancy.
Tough call, but if Momo can play right away, I think he makes us much much more dangerous immediately.
High School Hopefuls (Ryan Harrow) pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyo2b-mUhDI#)
this might answer your questions about harrows heart and desire to improve.
BTW he sounds like Mos Deff in 16 blocks.
Id rather have harrow but now id almost be shocked if we didn't end up with either one of them
LOLOLOL
My friend who is DIEHARD NC State fan and alum was killing him last night (after twice posting stuff on my wall last year about how good he was). He said he sounded like Urquel!!!! LOL now I see. Jesus...this kid is like 14 physically...which could mean that he is ready to explode once he physically matures.
Momo and Harrow...I'd take over Nuri and my boy Stith. Proven guys...especially Momo who started the whole season for a team that came a shot away from the Final Four. Stith would be the easiest to cut b/c of all the backcourt talent...the writing is on the wall. Just call him into the office and be like "look fella, Nuri, Phil Greene, Harrow, Momo, HARRISON, Pointer, Garret...I like your game, but you're not going to see the floor. You need to go to school that can give you 30 mpg."
Moose, this kid has no shot at a waiver because of his grandmother. The NCAA only grants those VERY VERY rarely and I know Momo lived with his mother growing up. It's a really slippery slope, because everyone has a sick grandparent or cousin.
From what I'm told, Lindsey is leagues better than Harrow and Jones. Leagues better.
I find that hard to believe. Lindsey is older than Harrow for one, but I think Harrow is a true point guard and as far as the NBA is concerned has all the physical tools to be a first rounder. Is he mature? Will he D up? Will he put in the work? Will he be a cancer? Don't know the answers. Only Lav can evaluate that when they meet.
In terms of athletic ability, Lindsey is about a 6 or 7 while Harrow is a 9 at worst. Lindsey looks infinitely stronger, however, and will def be a better scorer. Different players...Harrow's handle is filthy and Lindsey's is adequate for the point position.
I wish I could tell all this info like you from watching a 2 min highlight tape on youtube. Personally I can't gauge all of this by watching a guy's best plays. I can see some of the guy's capabilities and potential but if I put all my stock into highlights then Dele Coker was the next Dikembe Mutumbo.
I think it's safe to say these are all guys who were out of reach for St. John's potentially 2 years ago. Deciding on who not to take its a fantastic problem to have.
If you can't evaluate a kid's athletic abilty from a video than that is pretty sad. Watching a six footer tomahawk dunks and fly by his man...utilizing jump stops a great crossover and other skill is enough. I've never seen Michael Jordan in person, but I'm pretty sure he was awesome.
I know coaches that offer kids based soley on highlight videos. They don't look to see the ball go in--because it always does--they look at form and other skills. It's obviously better to see a person in person AND have the tapes, but I'll take the tapes over seeing a kid in AAU any day of the week. A meaningful high school game is a different story.
Harrow is a stellar athlete...and you don't need the hour of video of him on youtube to reach that conclusion...it's apparent immediately.
And funny you mention Dele, because I caught slack on here calling him Abe Keita when he was a freshman...I make a lot of claims about recruits...find me more than 3-4 mistakes I've made before you make jokes about how I can break down film. It used to be my job to look at video for the coach to see who was even worth a look out of the hundreds of highlight tapes we received. Yeah, it was only juco but ball is ball.
I agree with you that this is a good problem to have. It's a different world with Lav.
This board was around when Abe Keita was a freshmen?
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This board was around when Abe Keita was a freshmen?
No it wasn't lol I think we have been around for 3-4 years idk time flies I'm sure Dave can give you the exact date.
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pretty interesting tweet from Jevon Thomas 17 minutes ago.. " if they recruit another guard im out!!! "
Wow
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pretty interesting tweet from Jevon Thomas 17 minutes ago.. " if they recruit another guard im out!!! "
Wow
This might be the first i have heard any Lavin recruit semi unhappy. I hope he is kidding because Jevon is the real deal. Forget the rankings . He will be really really good.
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pretty interesting tweet from Jevon Thomas 17 minutes ago.. " if they recruit another guard im out!!! "
Wow
This might be the first i have heard any Lavin recruit semi unhappy. I hope he is kidding because Jevon is the real deal. Forget the rankings . He will be really really good.
Doubt he's kidding. Not a great idea bellyaching about it on twitter though. It just looks bad. Not sure if I care for that type of attitude from a kid that still has to get his grades in order. SJU doesn't have a lot of PG's on board right now except Lindsey. Even if Harrow comes on board, Lindsey will be an upperclassman or gone at that time. I like Jevon a lot, but we're far from loaded at PG.
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pretty interesting tweet from Jevon Thomas 17 minutes ago.. " if they recruit another guard im out!!! "
Wow
This might be the first i have heard any Lavin recruit semi unhappy. I hope he is kidding because Jevon is the real deal. Forget the rankings . He will be really really good.
Do you have a link...I searched for Jevon right after you posted this but didn't see anything. Did he take it down? I am twitter challenged so help me out.
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pretty interesting tweet from Jevon Thomas 17 minutes ago.. " if they recruit another guard im out!!! "
Wow
This might be the first i have heard any Lavin recruit semi unhappy. I hope he is kidding because Jevon is the real deal. Forget the rankings . He will be really really good.
Do you have a link...I searched for Jevon right after you posted this but didn't see anything. Did he take it down? I am twitter challenged so help me out.
I don't.. just read it from him on my twitter timeline
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Wow...this is a big deal. We don't even have a pure point on the roster...not sure what Jevon is upset about. As it stands now he literally has no competition.
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My guess is Jones to SJU, sit out a year. Harrow to Louisville
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I wish I could tell all this info like you from watching a 2 min highlight tape on youtube. Personally I can't gauge all of this by watching a guy's best plays. I can see some of the guy's capabilities and potential but if I put all my stock into highlights then Dele Coker was the next Dikembe Mutumbo.
I guess you haven't figured him out by now.
Nevertheless, I hope Thomas was joking about leaving if the Johnnies pick up another guard. I doubt the Johnnies take both Jones and Harrow. I believe only one of 'em will be with the team. Not to mention, these kids have to be careful what they say on social sites.
Finally, I'd hope Thomas wouldn't stray away from a lil' competition.
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I'm not questioning his desire to get better, but I am questioning how Harrow fits into a team. The videos and stuff I have seen from an NC State fan's perspective has been that he's got a lot of maturing to do. And lets be honest, 99% of the videos and stuff out there on him is showing off his dunking ability, which as a PG, I could care less about. He can have all the potential in the world, but if you lack certain traits like leadership and unselfishness, then it won't translate. He has to be about winning, not his stats or his highlights.
Basically, I love Harrow's potential, but am worried that he's not on the right track to fulfill it. I am confident in our staff and the year off to help him get better and mature.
To me, Momo has a bit more of a NY type attitude and mentality, that could pay dividends right away for a young team trying to learn how to win next year.
If Momo though can't get the waiver, then I'd say Harrow has more upside.
So, what I see here is that you have made lots of assumptions about a guys makeup that you have no way at all of knowing about, and then, based on those assumptions (which were based on nothing), your conclude that Momo is the better fit. Everything in this previous post was about his makeup, ability to be a teammate, and you preface basically everything with "I feel like" or "based on what I heard" or "it seems as if", which are all just more or less admissions of ignorance on this specific topic. You know nothing about Harrow or Momo personally, so forgive me if I don't agree with your assessment of a players game because you feel like he is all about his highlights. Sorry if I come off as a jerk.
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I'm not questioning his desire to get better, but I am questioning how Harrow fits into a team. The videos and stuff I have seen from an NC State fan's perspective has been that he's got a lot of maturing to do. And lets be honest, 99% of the videos and stuff out there on him is showing off his dunking ability, which as a PG, I could care less about. He can have all the potential in the world, but if you lack certain traits like leadership and unselfishness, then it won't translate. He has to be about winning, not his stats or his highlights.
Basically, I love Harrow's potential, but am worried that he's not on the right track to fulfill it. I am confident in our staff and the year off to help him get better and mature.
To me, Momo has a bit more of a NY type attitude and mentality, that could pay dividends right away for a young team trying to learn how to win next year.
If Momo though can't get the waiver, then I'd say Harrow has more upside.
So, what I see here is that you have made lots of assumptions about a guys makeup that you have no way at all of knowing about, and then, based on those assumptions (which were based on nothing), your conclude that Momo is the better fit. Everything in this previous post was about his makeup, ability to be a teammate, and you preface basically everything with "I feel like" or "based on what I heard" or "it seems as if", which are all just more or less admissions of ignorance on this specific topic. You know nothing about Harrow or Momo personally, so forgive me if I don't agree with your assessment of a players game because you feel like he is all about his highlights. Sorry if I come off as a jerk.
There are things one can guess at from others' accounts; hell, even coaches have to depend on the words of others. This is a message board, we all have opinions; be respectful of them. What do you see that makes you disagree with that assessment?
I go by the stats and by watching both players play; Momo - to me, I feel like he's Edgar Sosa. Which is good some games, less good other games. And Jones' passing rates/ assist numbers are not great for a lead guard. He's a short SG who isn't great at shooting (but doesn't turn the ball over, to his credit).
Harrow was a rough watch last year, though the whole team looked disconnected; he can pass but he couldn't convert and obviously needed more strength. All the dunking in the world is great when a player has an open lane, but how's he going to convert when there isn't one? That's a real issue. Anyone who follows NC State will tell you that Harrow seemed like he needed to mature - sensitive, even complaining about criticism.
I see why you went off on SJUHoopNut, but respectfully - there's a lot that he said that has already permeated discussions of both players.
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pretty interesting tweet from Jevon Thomas 17 minutes ago.. " if they recruit another guard im out!!! "
Great attitude...guess he wouldn't be ready to compete and show he's the best.
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I wish I could tell all this info like you from watching a 2 min highlight tape on youtube. Personally I can't gauge all of this by watching a guy's best plays. I can see some of the guy's capabilities and potential but if I put all my stock into highlights then Dele Coker was the next Dikembe Mutumbo.
I guess you haven't figured him out by now.
Nevertheless, I hope Thomas was joking about leaving if the Johnnies pick up another guard. I doubt the Johnnies take both Jones and Harrow. I believe only one of 'em will be with the team. Not to mention, these kids have to be careful what they say on social sites.
Finally, I'd hope Thomas wouldn't stray away from a lil' competition.
Figured him out? MJ, this is a fansite. I give my opinion and so do you. I don't put any weight in what say and you are free to do the same with my posts. Why do you have to keep this up? These sites are here so fans can speculate, share opinions, gossip, etc. We don't deal with facts. Get over it. If you don't like my posts, don't read them. It's really quite an easy fix.
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I wish I could tell all this info like you from watching a 2 min highlight tape on youtube. Personally I can't gauge all of this by watching a guy's best plays. I can see some of the guy's capabilities and potential but if I put all my stock into highlights then Dele Coker was the next Dikembe Mutumbo.
I guess you haven't figured him out by now.
Nevertheless, I hope Thomas was joking about leaving if the Johnnies pick up another guard. I doubt the Johnnies take both Jones and Harrow. I believe only one of 'em will be with the team. Not to mention, these kids have to be careful what they say on social sites.
Finally, I'd hope Thomas wouldn't stray away from a lil' competition.
Figured him out? MJ, this is a fansite. I give my opinion and so do you. I don't put any weight in what say and you are free to do the same with my posts. Why do you have to keep this up? These sites are here so fans can speculate, share opinions, gossip, etc. We don't deal with facts. Get over it. If you don't like my posts, don't read them. It's really quite an easy fix.
I know what fan sites are all about and what goes on on 'em. I also do not have an issue with you nor with what you say. OTOH, I also call it like I see it and we'll leave it at that.
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Marillac should know by now we like to bust his chops about his better than Bilas analysis of youtube clips. It's his thing, I'd be upset if he didn't do it.
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My guess is Jones to SJU, sit out a year. Harrow to Louisville
Guess again. :)
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/17/harrow-to-decide-by-end-of-may/#more-52541 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/17/harrow-to-decide-by-end-of-may/#more-52541)
St. John’s could also be a potential landing spot for former Arizona point guard Lamont “Momo” Jones of Harlem, who obtained his release Monday and said he hoped to transfer closer to home to be near his grandmother.
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Was Dunlap at AZ when MoMo was being recruited?
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Was Dunlap at AZ when MoMo was being recruited?
Dunlap was at Arizona for the '08-'09 season and MoMo was originally in the '09recruiting class so I would think yes but I could be wrong.
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My guess is Jones to SJU, sit out a year. Harrow to Louisville
Guess again. :)
Harrow to SJU, Jones to Seton Hall, Jevon Thomas to go get qualitized?
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My guess is Jones to SJU, sit out a year. Harrow to Louisville
Guess again. :)
Harrow to SJU, Jones to Seton Hall, Jevon Thomas to go get qualitized?
Why are you so dead set that Jevon is getting recruited over.. and forgive my ignorance.. but what does qualitize mean?
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My guess is Jones to SJU, sit out a year. Harrow to Louisville
Guess again. :)
Harrow to SJU, Jones to Seton Hall, Jevon Thomas to go get qualitized?
Why are you so dead set that Jevon is getting recruited over.. and forgive my ignorance.. but what does qualitize mean?
"We like to say we qualitize every kid who comes through here."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2011/04/23/2011-04-23_growing_hoops_program_in_north_carolina_raising_ncaa_eyebrows_over_schools_quali.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2011/04/23/2011-04-23_growing_hoops_program_in_north_carolina_raising_ncaa_eyebrows_over_schools_quali.html)
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Oh no, the LJSA mush is in - now we won't get either kid :)
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Was Dunlap at AZ when MoMo was being recruited?
Dunlap was at Arizona for the '08-'09 season and MoMo was originally in the '09recruiting class so I would think yes but I could be wrong.
I don't think Dunlap had anything to do with Momo going to Zona. It was the new staff and Book Richardson specifically that got him aboard.
Remember what happened. He, Derrick Williams and Solomon Hill were all set to go to USC and play for Tim Floyd. Jones and Williams actually signed NLI's. But then the NCAA thing hit the fan and Floyd was canned.
USC AD Mike Garrett did them both a huge favor. Not only did he release both of them to a rival PAC 10 school (unbelievable in itself) he helped get the waiver allowing them to not be penalized under PAC 10 intra-conference transfer rules which would have forced them to sit a year and lose a year of eligibility. Keep in mind the Big East is even tougher. The BE simply does not allow at all a player who signs a valid NLI with one member school to then go to another member school.
Hill, who had originally verbaled to Arizona when Olson was there then switched to USC after Olson retired, switched back to Zona along with Jones and Williams.
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Was Dunlap at AZ when MoMo was being recruited?
Dunlap was at Arizona for the '08-'09 season and MoMo was originally in the '09recruiting class so I would think yes but I could be wrong.
I don't think Dunlap had anything to do with Momo going to Zona. It was the new staff and Book Richardson specifically that got him aboard.
Not insinuating he had something to do with it but there could be familiarity if he was asst during the recruitment.
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I understand but I don't even think Zona was recruiting him when Dunlap was there (considering that everyone knew that Zona was going to hire someone not on the current staff during that year).
Jones just fell in their lap after the whole USC/Floyd thing blew up and Book saw an opportunity to get a kid he was familiar with.
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Was Dunlap at AZ when MoMo was being recruited?
Dunlap was at Arizona for the '08-'09 season and MoMo was originally in the '09recruiting class so I would think yes but I could be wrong.
I don't think Dunlap had anything to do with Momo going to Zona. It was the new staff and Book Richardson specifically that got him aboard.
Not insinuating he had something to do with it but there could be familiarity if he was asst during the recruitment.
Yea that's what I was trying to say. I don't know if Dunlap does much recruiting or had anything to do with the recruitment of MoMo but he was on staff at that point
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pretty interesting tweet from Jevon Thomas 17 minutes ago.. " if they recruit another guard im out!!! "
Wow
This might be the first i have heard any Lavin recruit semi unhappy. I hope he is kidding because Jevon is the real deal. Forget the rankings . He will be really really good.
Do you have a link...I searched for Jevon right after you posted this but didn't see anything. Did he take it down? I am twitter challenged so help me out.
Jevon's tweets are protected and you must request to become a twitter "friend." Go to twitter and search his name.
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I wish I could tell all this info like you from watching a 2 min highlight tape on youtube. Personally I can't gauge all of this by watching a guy's best plays. I can see some of the guy's capabilities and potential but if I put all my stock into highlights then Dele Coker was the next Dikembe Mutumbo.
I guess you haven't figured him out by now.
Nevertheless, I hope Thomas was joking about leaving if the Johnnies pick up another guard. I doubt the Johnnies take both Jones and Harrow. I believe only one of 'em will be with the team. Not to mention, these kids have to be careful what they say on social sites.
Finally, I'd hope Thomas wouldn't stray away from a lil' competition.
Figured him out? MJ, this is a fansite. I give my opinion and so do you. I don't put any weight in what say and you are free to do the same with my posts. Why do you have to keep this up? These sites are here so fans can speculate, share opinions, gossip, etc. We don't deal with facts. Get over it. If you don't like my posts, don't read them. It's really quite an easy fix.
I know what fan sites are all about and what goes on on 'em. I also do not have an issue with you nor with what you say. OTOH, I also call it like I see it and we'll leave it at that.
Mj and Marillac, I thought we left all of that "stuff" on redmen.com. You 2 are some of the better posters from there - always entertaining!
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Oh no, the LJSA mush is in - now we won't get either kid :)
Ouch. But I'm willing to put my non-reputation as an insider on the line. :)
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Oh no, the LJSA mush is in - now we won't get either kid :)
Ouch. But I'm willing to put my non-reputation as an insider on the line. :)
So what is your guess?
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Oh no, the LJSA mush is in - now we won't get either kid :)
Ouch. But I'm willing to put my non-reputation as an insider on the line. :)
So what is your guess?
I'd be shocked if we didn't get Harrow and Momo doesn't end up at Seton Hall. We don't really need Momo with D'Angelo Harrison, Nuri, and Phil Greene (especially if we get Harrow). No need to jeopardize losing Jevon Thomas. Plus, Momo would leave the year before this current class makes its biggest push as seniors. I think Harrison will be better by the time Momo is cleared to play and his shooting ability is a must for this team...Momo can't shoot well.
Thomas, Gathers, and Anderson could for the second generation Lavin core.
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The staff prefers Harrow.
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The staff prefers Harrow.
I'd love to know what the staff is thinking based on whether or not MoMo can play immediately. I honestly would only want MoMo if he can play this year. If he has to sit out I'd rather take Harrow. Is that playing into the staff's preferences?
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The staff prefers Harrow.
I'd love to know what the staff is thinking based on whether or not MoMo can play immediately. I honestly would only want MoMo if he can play this year. If he has to sit out I'd rather take Harrow. Is that playing into the staff's preferences?
A guy with some deep NCAA experience would be nice no?
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The staff prefers Harrow.
I'd love to know what the staff is thinking based on whether or not MoMo can play immediately. I honestly would only want MoMo if he can play this year. If he has to sit out I'd rather take Harrow. Is that playing into the staff's preferences?
A guy with some deep NCAA experience would be nice no?
Yeah definitely. I think this year would be great. A PG with Elite Eight experience leading a team of newcomers. But if he had to sit out I'd rather go with the more stable, more moldable (if thats even a word) Harrow. Either way you shake it, its a good problem to have.
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The staff prefers Harrow.
I'd love to know what the staff is thinking based on whether or not MoMo can play immediately. I honestly would only want MoMo if he can play this year. If he has to sit out I'd rather take Harrow. Is that playing into the staff's preferences?
A guy with some deep NCAA experience would be nice no?
Yeah definitely. I think this year would be great. A PG with Elite Eight experience leading a team of newcomers. But if he had to sit out I'd rather go with the more stable, more moldable (if thats even a word) Harrow. Either way you shake it, its a good problem to have.
Even if he does have to sit out, I'd take that Elite 8 run experience over Harrow's(plus I got a sweet spot for the locals). Unless of course this young team goes deep in their first season. ;)
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The staff prefers Harrow.
I'd love to know what the staff is thinking based on whether or not MoMo can play immediately. I honestly would only want MoMo if he can play this year. If he has to sit out I'd rather take Harrow. Is that playing into the staff's preferences?
I would think it would be because Harrow is a point guard with a higher ceiling whereas Momo is really a combo... and we already have three such players on our roster. We don't have an elite pure point on the roster.
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I'd love to know what the staff is thinking based on whether or not MoMo can play immediately. I honestly would only want MoMo if he can play this year. If he has to sit out I'd rather take Harrow. Is that playing into the staff's preferences?
I agree I think Harrow has unbelievable potential and think that sitting out a year under this staff could do wonders from him and St. John's. On the other hand if MoMo can come in and be our starting PG from day 1 as a junior that is hard to argue with. Needless to say I would take either one but seeing as I think MoMo will have a hard time getting a hardship waiver from the ncaa I would take Harrow. This is a nice dilemma to have though
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The staff prefers Harrow.
I'd love to know what the staff is thinking based on whether or not MoMo can play immediately. I honestly would only want MoMo if he can play this year. If he has to sit out I'd rather take Harrow. Is that playing into the staff's preferences?
A guy with some deep NCAA experience would be nice no?
Yeah definitely. I think this year would be great. A PG with Elite Eight experience leading a team of newcomers. But if he had to sit out I'd rather go with the more stable, more moldable (if thats even a word) Harrow. Either way you shake it, its a good problem to have.
Even if he does have to sit out, I'd take that Elite 8 run experience over Harrow's(plus I got a sweet spot for the locals). Unless of course this young team goes deep in their first season. ;)
Honestly I'd worry that in the year sitting out MoMo might leave for somewhere else ;)
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The staff prefers Harrow.
I'd love to know what the staff is thinking based on whether or not MoMo can play immediately. I honestly would only want MoMo if he can play this year. If he has to sit out I'd rather take Harrow. Is that playing into the staff's preferences?
A guy with some deep NCAA experience would be nice no?
Yeah definitely. I think this year would be great. A PG with Elite Eight experience leading a team of newcomers. But if he had to sit out I'd rather go with the more stable, more moldable (if thats even a word) Harrow. Either way you shake it, its a good problem to have.
Even if he does have to sit out, I'd take that Elite 8 run experience over Harrow's(plus I got a sweet spot for the locals). Unless of course this young team goes deep in their first season. ;)
Honestly I'd worry that in the year sitting out MoMo might leave for somewhere else ;)
Haha. Momo can be a travel agent when his hoops career comes to an end
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The relationship is with Mo Hicks and MoMo. Hicks is or is like his god father. MoMo's dad passed away and Hicks was his father figure.
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The relationship is with Mo Hicks and MoMo. Hicks is or is like his god father. MoMo's dad passed away and Hicks was his father figure.
Any chance that would help with the ncaa hardship waiver? Seems unlikely but an argument can be made nonetheless if Hicks is indeed his godfather and his grandmother is sick.
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The relationship is with Mo Hicks and MoMo. Hicks is or is like his god father. MoMo's dad passed away and Hicks was his father figure.
Why did he transfer away from his father figure?
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The relationship is with Mo Hicks and MoMo. Hicks is or is like his god father. MoMo's dad passed away and Hicks was his father figure.
Why did he transfer away from his father figure?
To get qualitized
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Their are some concerns about how Momo would "influence" some of the other kids. Additionally as previously pointed out Harrow is more of a natural 1.
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The relationship is with Mo Hicks and MoMo. Hicks is or is like his god father. MoMo's dad passed away and Hicks was his father figure.
Why did he transfer away from his father figure?
To get qualitized
Your loving that word.
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The relationship is with Mo Hicks and MoMo. Hicks is or is like his god father. MoMo's dad passed away and Hicks was his father figure.
Why did he transfer away from his father figure?
To get qualitized
Your loving that word.
I almost threw up on the train when I read that article in the paper that morning. I'll be using that word alot, sorry cant help it
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Maybe the staff thinks they already have a one & done on the 11-12 roster?
So if Harrow comes, he could step right in and run the offense while using this season to learn the system, get stronger and work on his game. To me, that sounds like great preparation.
I love hearing it, especially after watching 6 years of ball without 1 point guard. If Thomas expects to start right away, he'll have to earn it.
He should be fine w that.
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The relationship is with Mo Hicks and MoMo. Hicks is or is like his god father. MoMo's dad passed away and Hicks was his father figure.
Why did he transfer away from his father figure?
He didn't "transfer" away. He committed to Arizona which was the best possible destination for him.
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Their are some concerns about how Momo would "influence" some of the other kids. Additionally as previously pointed out Harrow is more of a natural 1.
This is why I said I would be "surprised" if he came. He's talented but in terms of team dynamics and chemistry I'm not sure it would be worth it.
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The staff prefers Harrow.
I'd love to know what the staff is thinking based on whether or not MoMo can play immediately. I honestly would only want MoMo if he can play this year. If he has to sit out I'd rather take Harrow. Is that playing into the staff's preferences?
A guy with some deep NCAA experience would be nice no?
Yeah definitely. I think this year would be great. A PG with Elite Eight experience leading a team of newcomers. But if he had to sit out I'd rather go with the more stable, more moldable (if thats even a word) Harrow. Either way you shake it, its a good problem to have.
Even if he does have to sit out, I'd take that Elite 8 run experience over Harrow's(plus I got a sweet spot for the locals). Unless of course this young team goes deep in their first season. ;)
Honestly I'd worry that in the year sitting out MoMo might leave for somewhere else ;)
I know you are joking, but I think any school taking in a transfer has a certain amount of leverage, because transferring twice in college not only will cost eligibility but creates a presumption that the kid is has something wrong...no doubt that would adversely affect chances to play professionally.
It's pretty much a kid's last chance and the kid and the coach know that and the kid better fall in line. :) I expect Harrow to have a better mindset coming in (if that was in fact a problem like some say). He was certainly trained well, let's see if he can be coached well now.
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The relationship is with Mo Hicks and MoMo. Hicks is or is like his god father. MoMo's dad passed away and Hicks was his father figure.
Why did he transfer away from his father figure?
He didn't "transfer" away. He committed to Arizona which was the best possible destination for him.
I think the reference was to why Momo first tried to transfer to St. Anthony's, then transferred to American Christian Academy, then transferred to Oak Hill after meeting with Mo Hicks about returning to Rice.
I really think Momo is not in the best interests of this team. Does anyone really believe that he'll be better than D'Angelo Harrison two years from now? He is a 6'0 combo that can't shoot well (but plays tough D). Harrison is a sharpshooter and this squad doesn't have a lot of great shooters.
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The relationship is with Mo Hicks and MoMo. Hicks is or is like his god father. MoMo's dad passed away and Hicks was his father figure.
Why did he transfer away from his father figure?
He didn't "transfer" away. He committed to Arizona which was the best possible destination for him.
I think he meant -why did Lamont leave Rice?
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Their are some concerns about how Momo would "influence" some of the other kids. Additionally as previously pointed out Harrow is more of a natural 1.
This is why I said I would be "surprised" if he came. He's talented but in terms of team dynamics and chemistry I'm not sure it would be worth it.
Is MoMo considered a bad seed? I know nothing about the kid other than watching him play in the ncaa tourny so I am unaware of his work ethic or whether or not he is a team player. I know he committed and de-committed several times in his initial recruitment but to me that isn't telling of a player's character because of how ridiculous the recruitment process has become.
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The relationship is with Mo Hicks and MoMo. Hicks is or is like his god father. MoMo's dad passed away and Hicks was his father figure.
Why did he transfer away from his father figure?
He didn't "transfer" away. He committed to Arizona which was the best possible destination for him.
I think he meant -why did Lamont leave Rice?
You qualitized that correctly.
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I know little to nothing about Momo outside of his play in the NCAA tournament, but checking the Arizona message board, there seems to be a consensus about love for his character and toughness.
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Their are some concerns about how Momo would "influence" some of the other kids. Additionally as previously pointed out Harrow is more of a natural 1.
This is why I said I would be "surprised" if he came. He's talented but in terms of team dynamics and chemistry I'm not sure it would be worth it.
Is MoMo considered a bad seed? I know nothing about the kid other than watching him play in the ncaa tourny so I am unaware of his work ethic or whether or not he is a team player. I know he committed and de-committed several times in his initial recruitment but to me that isn't telling of a player's character because of how ridiculous the recruitment process has become.
I always thought Momo got a bad rap. He had the chance to play alongside Tyreke Evans and that was a great opportunity. Then, he got a late offer to go to Oak Hill which is very hard to turn down. As for college, he committed to Louisville first if my memory serves me right, but I think Pitino soured on him. Then he committed to USC and the whole Tim Floyd thing went down and he was pretty much forced to leave with the rest of the class to go to Arizona.
His transfers make sense to me. It's not like some kids who just transfer for easier classes or shady reasons. Momo kept going up to better situations. Oak Hill is damn hard to turn down!
With that said, from a purely on-court perspective, I don' think Momo fits well going forward. I expect Harrison to be better than him and a better fit for this current roster in two years. And Momo will leave just as this team gets ready to make the biggest push as seniors.
* fixed your quotes marillac -kjd
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With that said, from a purely on-court perspective, I don' think Momo fits well going forward. I expect Harrison to be better than him and a better fit for this current roster in two years. And Momo will leave just as this team gets ready to make the biggest push as seniors.
* fixed your quotes marillac -kjd
We'll survive with or without MoMo. I also prefer Harrison over him (in the long run).
Hopefully, this isn't the scenario.... Unfortunately, I see some defections (whether, it's via playing professionally or transferring) by the time this upcoming class become seniors. Nevertheless, I still believe we should field a pretty, good team at that point.
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He wouldn,t be competing with Harrison. He would be competing with Nuri and Jevon. There is going to be competition at all positions. Harrow is a pure point guard and may be a better fit, but what if he(Harrow) opts to go elsewhere?
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Wonder if Hofstra put a call into Lamont?
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He wouldn,t be competing with Harrison. He would be competing with Nuri and Jevon. There is going to be competition at all positions. Harrow is a pure point guard and may be a better fit, but what if he(Harrow) opts to go elsewhere?
I think Harrison is every bit as much of a pg as Nuri. I see your point, though, and I'm happy with the three combo guards we already have--Nuri, Harrison and Greene--and I don't think we get any better adding a 6'0 kid that shot 25% from three and only handed out 2.4 assists per game. Harrow, on the other hand, gives us a pure pg that matches the athletic ability on the roster 2-5. He'd also be a killer at the end of games with his filthy handle and 87% from the FT line. One man press-breaker.
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Wonder if Hofstra put a call into Lamont?
Kid just quarterbacked an Elite 8 team as a sophmore. He'll be picking from a considerably higher strata than Hofstra.
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He wouldn,t be competing with Harrison. He would be competing with Nuri and Jevon. There is going to be competition at all positions. Harrow is a pure point guard and may be a better fit, but what if he(Harrow) opts to go elsewhere?
I think Harrison is every bit as much of a pg as Nuri. I see your point, though, and I'm happy with the three combo guards we already have--Nuri, Harrison and Greene--and I don't think we get any better adding a 6'0 kid that shot 25% from three and only handed out 2.4 assists per game. Harrow, on the other hand, gives us a pure pg that matches the athletic ability on the roster 2-5. He'd also be a killer at the end of games with his filthy handle and 87% from the FT line. One man press-breaker.
Actually, Momo shot 32% on 3s, and 83% FTs, leading his team to #9 in the country (and the Elite Eight). Harrow shot 22% from distance, and dished less than ONE more assist per game (3.3 to 2.4) for a LOSING team.
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He wouldn,t be competing with Harrison. He would be competing with Nuri and Jevon. There is going to be competition at all positions. Harrow is a pure point guard and may be a better fit, but what if he(Harrow) opts to go elsewhere?
I think Harrison is every bit as much of a pg as Nuri. I see your point, though, and I'm happy with the three combo guards we already have--Nuri, Harrison and Greene--and I don't think we get any better adding a 6'0 kid that shot 25% from three and only handed out 2.4 assists per game. Harrow, on the other hand, gives us a pure pg that matches the athletic ability on the roster 2-5. He'd also be a killer at the end of games with his filthy handle and 87% from the FT line. One man press-breaker.
Actually, Momo shot 32% on 3s, and 83% FTs, leading his team to #9 in the country (and the elite 8). Harrow shot 22% from distance, and dished less than ONE more assist per game (3.3 to 2.4) for a LOSING team.
I wouldn't say he led the team thats a blatant misrepresentation. Derrick Williams carried that team and Soloman Hill played 2nd fiddle. Was MoMo an important piece? Sure.
MoMo is a gunner and with a team that is bringing in two gunners in Nuri and Harrison I'm not sure how I see this fit.
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Re the headers for the posts on recruits. Why does Momo's list "American Christian" as his high school? He played less than a seaon for that school. As a high school senior, he took over at PG from Brandon Jennings at Oak Hill, and took them to the #1 ranking in HS ball (something Jennings didn't). Wouldn't the Oak Hill reference be more appropriate?
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He wouldn,t be competing with Harrison. He would be competing with Nuri and Jevon. There is going to be competition at all positions. Harrow is a pure point guard and may be a better fit, but what if he(Harrow) opts to go elsewhere?
I think Harrison is every bit as much of a pg as Nuri. I see your point, though, and I'm happy with the three combo guards we already have--Nuri, Harrison and Greene--and I don't think we get any better adding a 6'0 kid that shot 25% from three and only handed out 2.4 assists per game. Harrow, on the other hand, gives us a pure pg that matches the athletic ability on the roster 2-5. He'd also be a killer at the end of games with his filthy handle and 87% from the FT line. One man press-breaker.
Actually, Momo shot 32% on 3s, and 83% FTs, leading his team to #9 in the country (and the Elite Eight). Harrow shot 22% from distance, and dished less than ONE more assist per game (3.3 to 2.4) for a LOSING team.
32% this season and 18% (EIGHTEEN!!!!) as a freshman. He is a career 26.5% 3-pt shooter. Also, he shot 70.5% as a freshman from the line, so it's only fair to compare that with Harrow. Harrow has considerably better stats as a freshman--more than double the assists, 16.5% better from the line, 4% better from deep, almost 3 more more points per game, more steals, and for pretty even teams.
I agree with Dave, that the Zona team went through Williams.
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Question for Dave
Re the headers for the posts on recruits. Why does Momo's list "American Christian" as his high school? He played less than a seaon for that school. As a high school senior, he took over at PG from Brandon Jennings at Oak Hill, and took them to the #1 ranking in HS ball (something Jennings didn't). Wouldn't the Oak Hill reference be more appropriate?
It may have something to do with when the original post was made...feel free to let us know (like you just did) and we can update them. Hard to keep up with all the recruits now...it was a lot easier just a couple of years ago :)
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He wouldn,t be competing with Harrison. He would be competing with Nuri and Jevon. There is going to be competition at all positions. Harrow is a pure point guard and may be a better fit, but what if he(Harrow) opts to go elsewhere?
I think Harrison is every bit as much of a pg as Nuri. I see your point, though, and I'm happy with the three combo guards we already have--Nuri, Harrison and Greene--and I don't think we get any better adding a 6'0 kid that shot 25% from three and only handed out 2.4 assists per game. Harrow, on the other hand, gives us a pure pg that matches the athletic ability on the roster 2-5. He'd also be a killer at the end of games with his filthy handle and 87% from the FT line. One man press-breaker.
Actually, Momo shot 32% on 3s, and 83% FTs, leading his team to #9 in the country (and the elite 8). Harrow shot 22% from distance, and dished less than ONE more assist per game (3.3 to 2.4) for a LOSING team.
I wouldn't say he led the team thats a blatant misrepresentation. Derrick Williams carried that team and Soloman Hill played 2nd fiddle. Was MoMo an important piece? Sure.
MoMo is a gunner and with a team that is bringing in two gunners in Nuri and Harrison I'm not sure how I see this fit.
momo was second on the team in scoring. soloman hill was fourth. Williams did carry them however
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Re the headers for the posts on recruits. Why does Momo's list "American Christian" as his high school? He played less than a seaon for that school. As a high school senior, he took over at PG from Brandon Jennings at Oak Hill, and took them to the #1 ranking in HS ball (something Jennings didn't). Wouldn't the Oak Hill reference be more appropriate?
Thread was created back when he was at American Christian. It wasn't known where he was going to transfer to. By the time he did he was no longer a St. John's target, got buried, and was never changed.
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He wouldn,t be competing with Harrison. He would be competing with Nuri and Jevon. There is going to be competition at all positions. Harrow is a pure point guard and may be a better fit, but what if he(Harrow) opts to go elsewhere?
I think Harrison is every bit as much of a pg as Nuri. I see your point, though, and I'm happy with the three combo guards we already have--Nuri, Harrison and Greene--and I don't think we get any better adding a 6'0 kid that shot 25% from three and only handed out 2.4 assists per game. Harrow, on the other hand, gives us a pure pg that matches the athletic ability on the roster 2-5. He'd also be a killer at the end of games with his filthy handle and 87% from the FT line. One man press-breaker.
Actually, Momo shot 32% on 3s, and 83% FTs, leading his team to #9 in the country (and the elite 8). Harrow shot 22% from distance, and dished less than ONE more assist per game (3.3 to 2.4) for a LOSING team.
I wouldn't say he led the team thats a blatant misrepresentation. Derrick Williams carried that team and Soloman Hill played 2nd fiddle. Was MoMo an important piece? Sure.
MoMo is a gunner and with a team that is bringing in two gunners in Nuri and Harrison I'm not sure how I see this fit.
momo was second on the team in scoring. soloman hill was fourth. Williams did carry them however
Hill (zona's DJ Kennedy) was more valuable to that team than MoMo. Heck you could make a case for Parrom being more valuable off the bench too. If you ask an Arizona fan about MoMo I'm sure there would be no love lost especially with what they have coming in.
Honestly a great fit for MoMo would be UConn
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He wouldn,t be competing with Harrison. He would be competing with Nuri and Jevon. There is going to be competition at all positions. Harrow is a pure point guard and may be a better fit, but what if he(Harrow) opts to go elsewhere?
I think Harrison is every bit as much of a pg as Nuri. I see your point, though, and I'm happy with the three combo guards we already have--Nuri, Harrison and Greene--and I don't think we get any better adding a 6'0 kid that shot 25% from three and only handed out 2.4 assists per game. Harrow, on the other hand, gives us a pure pg that matches the athletic ability on the roster 2-5. He'd also be a killer at the end of games with his filthy handle and 87% from the FT line. One man press-breaker.
Actually, Momo shot 32% on 3s, and 83% FTs, leading his team to #9 in the country (and the elite 8). Harrow shot 22% from distance, and dished less than ONE more assist per game (3.3 to 2.4) for a LOSING team.
I wouldn't say he led the team thats a blatant misrepresentation. Derrick Williams carried that team and Soloman Hill played 2nd fiddle. Was MoMo an important piece? Sure.
MoMo is a gunner and with a team that is bringing in two gunners in Nuri and Harrison I'm not sure how I see this fit.
momo was second on the team in scoring. soloman hill was fourth. Williams did carry them however
Hill (zona's DJ Kennedy) was more valuable to that team than MoMo. Heck you could make a case for Parrom being more valuable off the bench too. If you ask an Arizona fan about MoMo I'm sure there would be no love lost especially with what they have coming in.
Honestly a great fit for MoMo would be UConn
Actually I was thinking Jevon Thomas ends up at UConn, God I hope not
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Wonder if Hofstra put a call into Lamont?
Kid just quarterbacked an Elite 8 team as a sophmore. He'll be picking from a considerably higher strata than Hofstra.
Yes and no. I agree Momo can play at a BCS level, no doubt. But remember he is going to be asking for a waiver and he almost certainly needs to be in the NY area to have any chance to get one. That limits his choices. There might not be room for him at SJU or SHU. He may have to take a step down (that is why I suggested Fordham) just to make sure he stays in the area.
Or he gives up his waiver request and instead decides to say go to Providence, who I think would take him in a minute.
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Wonder if Hofstra put a call into Lamont?
Kid just quarterbacked an Elite 8 team as a sophmore. He'll be picking from a considerably higher strata than Hofstra.
Yes and no. I agree Momo can play at a BCS level, no doubt. But remember he is going to be asking for a waiver and he almost certainly needs to be in the NY area to have any chance to get one. That limits his choices. There might not be room for him at SJU or SHU. He may have to take a step down (that is why I suggested Fordham) just to make sure he stays in the area.
Or he gives up his waiver request and instead decides to say go to Providence, who I think would take him in a minute.
I saw somewhere saying Va Tech too
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Wonder if Hofstra put a call into Lamont?
Kid just quarterbacked an Elite 8 team as a sophmore. He'll be picking from a considerably higher strata than Hofstra.
Yes and no. I agree Momo can play at a BCS level, no doubt. But remember he is going to be asking for a waiver and he almost certainly needs to be in the NY area to have any chance to get one. That limits his choices. There might not be room for him at SJU or SHU. He may have to take a step down (that is why I suggested Fordham) just to make sure he stays in the area.
Or he gives up his waiver request and instead decides to say go to Providence, who I think would take him in a minute.
I saw somewhere saying Va Tech too
I haven't seen ANYTHING! This continuation has to be a record for the fact that he still hasn't listed any schools and we're just debating him vs. Harrow.
And as for F96 SHU should want him, no? They have nobody. He would be a good get for them but of course I hope not.
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He wouldn,t be competing with Harrison. He would be competing with Nuri and Jevon. There is going to be competition at all positions. Harrow is a pure point guard and may be a better fit, but what if he(Harrow) opts to go elsewhere?
I think Harrison is every bit as much of a pg as Nuri. I see your point, though, and I'm happy with the three combo guards we already have--Nuri, Harrison and Greene--and I don't think we get any better adding a 6'0 kid that shot 25% from three and only handed out 2.4 assists per game. Harrow, on the other hand, gives us a pure pg that matches the athletic ability on the roster 2-5. He'd also be a killer at the end of games with his filthy handle and 87% from the FT line. One man press-breaker.
Actually, Momo shot 32% on 3s, and 83% FTs, leading his team to #9 in the country (and the elite 8). Harrow shot 22% from distance, and dished less than ONE more assist per game (3.3 to 2.4) for a LOSING team.
I wouldn't say he led the team thats a blatant misrepresentation. Derrick Williams carried that team and Soloman Hill played 2nd fiddle. Was MoMo an important piece? Sure.
MoMo is a gunner and with a team that is bringing in two gunners in Nuri and Harrison I'm not sure how I see this fit.
momo was second on the team in scoring. soloman hill was fourth. Williams did carry them however
Hill (zona's DJ Kennedy) was more valuable to that team than MoMo. Heck you could make a case for Parrom being more valuable off the bench too. If you ask an Arizona fan about MoMo I'm sure there would be no love lost especially with what they have coming in.
Honestly a great fit for MoMo would be UConn
He'd be buried behind Boatright, Lamb, and Napier, no?
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Wonder if Hofstra put a call into Lamont?
Kid just quarterbacked an Elite 8 team as a sophmore. He'll be picking from a considerably higher strata than Hofstra.
Yes and no. I agree Momo can play at a BCS level, no doubt. But remember he is going to be asking for a waiver and he almost certainly needs to be in the NY area to have any chance to get one. That limits his choices. There might not be room for him at SJU or SHU. He may have to take a step down (that is why I suggested Fordham) just to make sure he stays in the area.
Or he gives up his waiver request and instead decides to say go to Providence, who I think would take him in a minute.
I saw somewhere saying Va Tech too
I haven't seen ANYTHING! This continuation has to be a record for the fact that he still hasn't listed any schools and we're just debating him vs. Harrow.
And as for F96 SHU should want him, no? They have nobody. He would be a good get for them but of course I hope not.
Not sure if they did he would have interest.
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He wouldn,t be competing with Harrison. He would be competing with Nuri and Jevon. There is going to be competition at all positions. Harrow is a pure point guard and may be a better fit, but what if he(Harrow) opts to go elsewhere?
I think Harrison is every bit as much of a pg as Nuri. I see your point, though, and I'm happy with the three combo guards we already have--Nuri, Harrison and Greene--and I don't think we get any better adding a 6'0 kid that shot 25% from three and only handed out 2.4 assists per game. Harrow, on the other hand, gives us a pure pg that matches the athletic ability on the roster 2-5. He'd also be a killer at the end of games with his filthy handle and 87% from the FT line. One man press-breaker.
Actually, Momo shot 32% on 3s, and 83% FTs, leading his team to #9 in the country (and the elite 8). Harrow shot 22% from distance, and dished less than ONE more assist per game (3.3 to 2.4) for a LOSING team.
I wouldn't say he led the team thats a blatant misrepresentation. Derrick Williams carried that team and Soloman Hill played 2nd fiddle. Was MoMo an important piece? Sure.
MoMo is a gunner and with a team that is bringing in two gunners in Nuri and Harrison I'm not sure how I see this fit.
momo was second on the team in scoring. soloman hill was fourth. Williams did carry them however
Hill (zona's DJ Kennedy) was more valuable to that team than MoMo. Heck you could make a case for Parrom being more valuable off the bench too. If you ask an Arizona fan about MoMo I'm sure there would be no love lost especially with what they have coming in.
Honestly a great fit for MoMo would be UConn
He'd be buried behind Boatright, Lamb, and Napier, no?
I could see UCONN as well might even be close enough to have a shot at a waiver.
Calhoun indicated they have 9 scholarship players and are looking to add 1 more. We know they pursued Gibbs so Jones would seem to fit as well.
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I know many of you guys think or hope stith will transfer. I kind of think (thought) he will stay, but if we get either harrow or momo I think he leaves. I like stith's intangibles but i would be thrilled replacing him with s 5 star player and opening up another scholarship.
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Lenn Robbins is reporting today that this transfer to St. John's is a done deal.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/st_john_adds_kentucky_game_GG3Wfl4s2SlS5DMpsSpPhO (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/st_john_adds_kentucky_game_GG3Wfl4s2SlS5DMpsSpPhO)
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Lenny is jumping the gun. I can tell you he has not made a decision and SJU has not accepted anything.
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Lenny is jumping the gun. I can tell you he has not made a decision and SJU has not accepted anything.
You would think he's got a good source inside STJ if he's gonna print it.
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The same source that told him that Jamari Traylor was still a top target long after he was no longer considering SJU???
He does have good sources but his recruiting sources are a bit weak. He may in the end of the day right but I can tell you nothing is done yet.
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Lenny is jumping the gun. I can tell you he has not made a decision and SJU has not accepted anything.
You would think he's got a good source inside STJ if he's gonna print it.
Lenny is good, but not always accurate, as fordham96 pointed out to me when I posted a report from Robbins that said that STJ was still very much in the hunt for J Traylor AFTER STJ landed GG and following reports that Traylor wasn't even considering us anymore. Still, I hope he's right!
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Lenny is jumping the gun. I can tell you he has not made a decision and SJU has not accepted anything.
You would think he's got a good source inside STJ if he's gonna print it.
Lenny is good, but not always accurate, as fordham96 pointed out to me when I posted a report from Robbins that said that STJ was still very much in the hunt for J Traylor AFTER STJ landed GG and following reports that Traylor wasn't even considering us anymore. Still, I hope he's right!
I smell a jumping of the gun as well, and I personally hope Momo doesn't come. I don't really think he'll get the waiver. NCAA's gotten a little more leery of these "I wanna go home" transfers - Murphy Holloway transferred back to South Carolina and wasn't eligible, right? And he transferred to join his freaking son.
So then we have a chuck artist who wants playing time as a junior in 2012-13 with Nuri and D'Angelo and Jevon Thomas all wanting time...
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I smell a jumping of the gun as well, and I personally hope Momo doesn't come. I don't really think he'll get the waiver. NCAA's gotten a little more leery of these "I wanna go home" transfers - Murphy Holloway transferred back to South Carolina and wasn't eligible, right? And he transferred to join his freaking son.
Yes, Holloway did transfer to the Gamecocks to be near his son. The difference is his son wasn't ill. I'm not saying, MoMo is gonna be receive a waiver, but there is a difference in their situations.
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I smell a jumping of the gun as well, and I personally hope Momo doesn't come. I don't really think he'll get the waiver. NCAA's gotten a little more leery of these "I wanna go home" transfers - Murphy Holloway transferred back to South Carolina and wasn't eligible, right? And he transferred to join his freaking son.
Yes, Holloway did transfer to the Gamecocks to be near his son. The difference is his son wasn't ill. I'm not saying, MoMo is gonna be receive a waiver, but there is a difference in their situations.
I'd love to know if the NCAA has approved a waiver for an ill grandmother. Then precendence would be set.
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Zags on his recruitment. As I said Jones has not been contacted by SJU. I think SJU will wait to see how things shake out:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/momo-jones-awaiting-word-from-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/momo-jones-awaiting-word-from-st-johns/)
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Zags on his recruitment. As I said Jones has not been contacted by SJU. I think SJU will wait to see how things shake out:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/momo-jones-awaiting-word-from-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/momo-jones-awaiting-word-from-st-johns/)
Yeah, IMO St. John's will probably wait on Harrow's decision. They made a commitment to him and will likely wait to see what he does. Bottom line is that we won't take both. My guess is if Harrow commits to SJU, then he's our guy. If Harrow chooses another school, we will land MoMo Jones. We won't take both as it would hurt us with Jevon and won't help with existing players either. It should shake itself out after Harrow decides where he wants to go. I hope it is SJU. I think he's more of a PG than MoMo and offers us a bit greater upside overall.
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Anyone have any idea how long it will take for MoMo to get an answer on his waiver request?
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Anyone have any idea how long it will take for MoMo to get an answer on his waiver request?
When I looked at the Elliot Williams transfer from Duke to Memphis he got that waiver approved 2 months after he transfered. He transferred end of June and got the approval end of August.
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Anyone have any idea how long it will take for MoMo to get an answer on his waiver request?
When I looked at the Elliot Williams transfer from Duke to Memphis he got that waiver approved 2 months after he transfered. He transferred end of June and got the approval end of August.
Moose, do you remember what his reason was for the waiver?
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Not to defend Leonard (his real friends call him Leonard, not Lenny ;D ), but he has broken a couple of committments since Lavin took over (Jevon Thomas for one).
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Anyone have any idea how long it will take for MoMo to get an answer on his waiver request?
When I looked at the Elliot Williams transfer from Duke to Memphis he got that waiver approved 2 months after he transfered. He transferred end of June and got the approval end of August.
Moose, do you remember what his reason was for the waiver?
2 months??!! Well, if SJU is playing the wait and see game, it will only be doing so because Harrow doesn't come to SJU. BTW, I have found one case, J'Mison Morgan, where the waiver was granted for a terminally ill grandmother, BUT Morgan's grandmother was his legal guardian and was dying of cancer. Probably not MoMo's facts.
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Not to defend Leonard (his real friends call him Leonard, not Lenny ;D ), but he has broken a couple of committments since Lavin took over (Jevon Thomas for one).
I prefer Lenny but I know he likes Leonard which makes this all the more funny!!! LOL!
And you're right on Thomas and also I believe he tweeted first that GG was headed to SJU the night before. So I know he did not make it up.
However I can tell you that Zags is correct, SJU has not contacted him and it is not a definite they will offer. No doubt if they do he will jump at it but SJU is evaluating a number of things.
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Anyone have any idea how long it will take for MoMo to get an answer on his waiver request?
When I looked at the Elliot Williams transfer from Duke to Memphis he got that waiver approved 2 months after he transfered. He transferred end of June and got the approval end of August.
Moose, do you remember what his reason was for the waiver?
His was a sick parent. I wasn't trying to compare his reason to MoMo's. But for timing purposes thats the most recent high profile transfer I recall. I would love to know of a waiver was made for a grandparent.
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Anyone have any idea how long it will take for MoMo to get an answer on his waiver request?
When I looked at the Elliot Williams transfer from Duke to Memphis he got that waiver approved 2 months after he transfered. He transferred end of June and got the approval end of August.
Moose, do you remember what his reason was for the waiver?
His was a sick parent. I wasn't trying to compare his reason to MoMo's. But for timing purposes thats the most recent high profile transfer I recall. I would love to know of a waiver was made for a grandparent.
J'Mison Morgan
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Anyone have any idea how long it will take for MoMo to get an answer on his waiver request?
When I looked at the Elliot Williams transfer from Duke to Memphis he got that waiver approved 2 months after he transfered. He transferred end of June and got the approval end of August.
Moose, do you remember what his reason was for the waiver?
His was a sick parent. I wasn't trying to compare his reason to MoMo's. But for timing purposes thats the most recent high profile transfer I recall. I would love to know of a waiver was made for a grandparent.
J'Mison Morgan
The difference is she was legal guardian and I think some have said that was not the case with MoMo. I happen to think there shouldnt be a difference so if I was an esteemed lawyer like Mkras :) I would argue that. A grandparent is a grandparent. Not a 2nd cousin once removed.
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I smell a jumping of the gun as well, and I personally hope Momo doesn't come. I don't really think he'll get the waiver. NCAA's gotten a little more leery of these "I wanna go home" transfers - Murphy Holloway transferred back to South Carolina and wasn't eligible, right? And he transferred to join his freaking son.
Yes, Holloway did transfer to the Gamecocks to be near his son. The difference is his son wasn't ill. I'm not saying, MoMo is gonna be receive a waiver, but there is a difference in their situations.
You know, I I never got the rationale there for why an illness means a player should be able to transfer and play immediately. I mean, the player is on scholarship and only has to pay the expenses outside of what the schollie covers, and playing doesn't make any money - it takes time away from that players' time with a sick relative.
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I smell a jumping of the gun as well, and I personally hope Momo doesn't come. I don't really think he'll get the waiver. NCAA's gotten a little more leery of these "I wanna go home" transfers - Murphy Holloway transferred back to South Carolina and wasn't eligible, right? And he transferred to join his freaking son.
Yes, Holloway did transfer to the Gamecocks to be near his son. The difference is his son wasn't ill. I'm not saying, MoMo is gonna be receive a waiver, but there is a difference in their situations.
You know, I I never got the rationale there for why an illness means a player should be able to transfer and play immediately. I mean, the player is on scholarship and only has to pay the expenses outside of what the schollie covers, and playing doesn't make any money - it takes time away from that players' time with a sick relative.
The 1 year sit penalty keeps kids from just transferring to play at a different/better school. Theoretically that isn't the reason for his transfer when a sick relative is involved. ... My 2 cents.
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MoMo is recruiting St. John's more so than St. John's is recruiting MoMo. Lenn may turn out to be correct however its not done yet.
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I smell a jumping of the gun as well, and I personally hope Momo doesn't come. I don't really think he'll get the waiver. NCAA's gotten a little more leery of these "I wanna go home" transfers - Murphy Holloway transferred back to South Carolina and wasn't eligible, right? And he transferred to join his freaking son.
Yes, Holloway did transfer to the Gamecocks to be near his son. The difference is his son wasn't ill. I'm not saying, MoMo is gonna be receive a waiver, but there is a difference in their situations.
I'd love to know if the NCAA has approved a waiver for an ill grandmother. Then precendence would be set.
Precedence with the NCAA doesn't matter. They hold double-standards on seemingly every issue. This one is a toss-up as is most of these things, IMO.
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I support bringing Momo on board, but I do think peter has made some great (and truthful) points.
Momo is a headache. Has been a headache since his HS days and I hear he's still a bit of a handful. IF we decide to bring Jones on board, Lav will really need to work to make sure this A) doesnt alienate Nurideen Lindsey (who could be pissed off because of this) and B) doesnt affect the chemistry with the rest of the group. However, the reason I support bringing Momo on board is that, after watching a number of our recruits play, I really feel a number of these guys will be deficient offensively coming into the Big East next year, and we could REALLY use some scoring and this would be a huge boost.
This move is all about weighing the pros and cons. I can certainly see and understand either side of this argument.
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I support bringing Momo on board, but I do think peter has made some great (and truthful) points.
Momo is a headache. Has been a headache since his HS days and I hear he's still a bit of a handful. IF we decide to bring Jones on board, Lav will really need to work to make sure this A) doesnt alienate Nurideen Lindsey (who could be pissed off because of this) and B) doesnt affect the chemistry with the rest of the group. However, the reason I support bringing Momo on board is that, after watching a number of our recruits play, I really feel a number of these guys will be deficient offensively coming into the Big East next year, and we could REALLY use some scoring and this would be a huge boost.
This move is all about weighing the pros and cons. I can certainly see and understand either side of this argument.
dont worry about nurideen if hes good enough he'll earn the minutes same with everyone
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I smell a jumping of the gun as well, and I personally hope Momo doesn't come. I don't really think he'll get the waiver. NCAA's gotten a little more leery of these "I wanna go home" transfers - Murphy Holloway transferred back to South Carolina and wasn't eligible, right? And he transferred to join his freaking son.
Yes, Holloway did transfer to the Gamecocks to be near his son. The difference is his son wasn't ill. I'm not saying, MoMo is gonna be receive a waiver, but there is a difference in their situations.
I'd love to know if the NCAA has approved a waiver for an ill grandmother. Then precendence would be set.
Precedence with the NCAA doesn't matter. They hold double-standards on seemingly every issue. This one is a toss-up as is most of these things, IMO.
Amen to that. Back in 1998 Virginia Tech had a terrific frosh guard (10.6 pts, 3.6 assists) named Jenis Grindstaff. He transferred to Tennessee, because BOTH his parents were being treated for Cancer at the UT Medical Center. The NCAA made the kid sit out the transfer year. Both of his parents passed away during that year he sat out. And in the category of "can things get worse?" - in the Vols season opener, after sitting out that season, and just 3 weeks after his mom had died, the kid tore his ACL, and had to sit a 2nd year. Eventually played 2 full seasons at Tennessee, but was never close to the same player again (he was a 7pt 3assit reserve as a senior).
It is TOTALLY aribitrary when it comes to the NCAA....
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I support bringing Momo on board, but I do think peter has made some great (and truthful) points.
Momo is a headache. Has been a headache since his HS days and I hear he's still a bit of a handful. IF we decide to bring Jones on board, Lav will really need to work to make sure this A) doesnt alienate Nurideen Lindsey (who could be pissed off because of this) and B) doesnt affect the chemistry with the rest of the group. However, the reason I support bringing Momo on board is that, after watching a number of our recruits play, I really feel a number of these guys will be deficient offensively coming into the Big East next year, and we could REALLY use some scoring and this would be a huge boost.
This move is all about weighing the pros and cons. I can certainly see and understand either side of this argument.
I completely agree with you about our class a whole not having a lot of scorers, that is, guys that can create opportunities in the half court (at least first year), but our back court can. Nuri can get to the rim at will and Harrison can get to the rim, pull up for a midrange, or launch three's. I think those two will work really well, because defenses will have to cave to slow Nuri down and that will leave Harrison space to shoot or head to the basket. They will be tough to defend.
I actually think the two biggest factors that Momo could add would be winning and tough defense. I think Nuri and Harrison will be a rather soft defensie back court year one. I'll be honest, Nuri's defense from the broadcasted games was as bad as I've ever seen in terms of effort, but I also thought Hardy would be a liability on defense and he turned out to be pretty good this year.
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If he gets a waiver he will be a senior when Jevon is a frosh. Should not upset Jevon,Harrow is another story. An experienced upperclassman is a plus.
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Momo to St. John's and Harrow to Kentucky per UK twitter. DAMN I wanted that kid!!!!!
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Either you believe Robbins that its done, or Zagoria that we haven't even contacted him yet. I am leaning towards Zagoria. Neither has went back on their reports so who knows.
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Either you believe Robbins that its done, or Zagoria that we haven't even contacted him yet. I am leaning towards Zagoria. Neither has went back on their reports so who knows.
It's ALL OVER twitter now. Momo to STJ and Harrow to UK.
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i think its good we get a kid from an elite eight team he'll be able to play right away..supposedly.. and he'll be a junior so whether they start him or not i dont think he takes away from the team i think he'll be a good edition and it will create more competition whoever plays deserves it
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It's not really a shocker that Harrow goes that way, if it happens. Cal sits across from a PG and says look what I've done. Look at my PG's. Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans, John Wall, Brandon Knight. Teague will probably be gone to the show after 1 year and you'll be next. Also Kentucky's not listed with any of the top five PG's in the class of 2012. Pretty appealing really if you can get over the smell of snake oil and grease.
PS - that doesn't even include Bledsoe and now Liggins who was recruited as a PG (not by Cal if I'm not mistaken) but has become a draftable commodity under Cal's tutelage.
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Either you believe Robbins that its done, or Zagoria that we haven't even contacted him yet. I am leaning towards Zagoria. Neither has went back on their reports so who knows.
It's ALL OVER twitter now. Momo to STJ and Harrow to UK.
Link?
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Well, if its true he's headed here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/gamelog?playerId=45853 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/gamelog?playerId=45853)
His game log is really telling, IMO. His best games seemed to come in close games (Wins and Losses) and on the road/neutral court.
7-11 (4-5 3pt) 20 pts @ BYU (Loss)
9-12 20 pts @ Ore St. (Loss)
9-18 27 pts @ Cal (2 pt win)
5-10 (7-8 FT) 18 pts vs Memphis in the NCAA Tourney (2 pt win)
6-10 16 pts vs Duke in the tourney
He also had his fair share of duds (Texas game), and was virtually non-existent in some of their blowout losses which really hurt his averages. But when I read the Arizona message boards and they rave about his on-court toughness, I can see where they're coming from. And he was only a sophomore, and I for one, would be ecstatic if he could play next year. The College game is so far different from the NBA, and I think the concept of pass-first point guards are overrated anyway. Give me a leader at point guard who knows how to take over games, bunch of athletic scorers/guys who can run the floor on both ends and plug them into Lavin's/Dunlap's system.
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Either you believe Robbins that its done, or Zagoria that we haven't even contacted him yet. I am leaning towards Zagoria. Neither has went back on their reports so who knows.
It's ALL OVER twitter now. Momo to STJ and Harrow to UK.
Link?
@DaveKrupinski
Dave Krupinski
@LennRobbins & @GoodmanCBS are correct MoMo Jones will be heading to #stjbb & #Scoop Ryan Harrow transfers to #Kentucky #Wildcats #GoBigBlue
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So i understand. The decision on whether he must sit out a year or not , has not been made? Would it be to the teams benefit for him to sit out? Who gets squeezed out if he's allowed to play?
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Either you believe Robbins that its done, or Zagoria that we haven't even contacted him yet. I am leaning towards Zagoria. Neither has went back on their reports so who knows.
It's ALL OVER twitter now. Momo to STJ and Harrow to UK.
Even if it's true, MoMo is NOT a bad consolation prize by any stretch. Now we all have to go to church, temple, or wherever one prays and light a candle for MoMo to get a waiver.
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So i understand. The decision on whether he must sit out a year or not , has not been made? Would it be to the teams benefit for him to sit out? Who gets squeezed out if he's allowed to play?
He can't even appy until he officially transfers. Hopefully word comes before classes start next fall. Who gets squeezed out? This year you'd have to say Malik but only out of minutes for now and only if the waiver is granted. It does give the team 13 scholarship players already committed for 2012/13 if everyone shows up as scheduled and/or stays.
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Another Zagoria gaffe.
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Another Zagoria gaffe.
Can Zags call up Harrow's mom and get another interview and find out how 'home' was? Did Harrow even visit? Some people who followed him on Twitter still had him in his GA home last night when he was supposed to be visiting STJ.
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I really wanted harrow but its a great time to be a johnnys fan when freakin momo jones is the backup plan!
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I really wanted harrow but its a great time to be a johnnys fan when freakin momo jones is the backup plan!
Great to have another local on board! Even if he has to sit out the year, he can take the point over when Nuri leaves early. What happens with Phil Greene?
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So Dave is reporting this. He was the one who said that it was unlikely Momo to SJU would happen.
Now he is reporting it is done?
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So Dave is reporting this. He was the one who said that it was unlikely Momo to SJU would happen.
Now he is reporting it is done?
Where did you see Dave reporting on MoMo being a done deal?
BTW, regarding MoMo's family situation, someone posted the following information on MoMo in the TusconCitizen.com
"Lamont Da’sean Jones yes his middle name is ‘Da’sean is the son of Janeen Fuller(mother) & Clarence Sims(father).was raised primarily by his Grandmother.
Get the picture?"
Not sure if the above quote is true, but if it is, could help in getting the waiver...
http://tucsoncitizen.com/wildcatreport/2011/05/19/new-york-post-momo-jones-will-transfer-to-st-johns/ (http://tucsoncitizen.com/wildcatreport/2011/05/19/new-york-post-momo-jones-will-transfer-to-st-johns/)
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I really wanted harrow but its a great time to be a johnnys fan when freakin momo jones is the backup plan!
Great to have another local on board! Even if he has to sit out the year, he can take the point over when Nuri leaves early. What happens with Phil Greene?
$500 standing bet to any and all takers that think Nuri gets drafted in the first round in the next two years. Stop this talk about Nuri to the NBA...it is beyond ridiculous.
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FWIW Zagoria is reporting that Harrow has not yet decided on his destination www.zagsblog.com (http://www.zagsblog.com) ....
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He sounds a little like Bronx Carl.
Momo on Momo: "To other people, it may be something new. People may be like, 'I want to watch it again, because MoMo put on a show.' But to me, it's just another day in the life of MoMo Jones."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/05/former-usc-recruit-lamont-momo-jones-leaves-arizona-but-where-does-that-leave-arizona.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/05/former-usc-recruit-lamont-momo-jones-leaves-arizona-but-where-does-that-leave-arizona.html)
Other Great quote: "I don't necessarily think I played the basketball that MoMo likes to play." - on his play in the second half of the Pac-10 season, March 23
http://azstarnet.com/sports/basketball/college/wildcats/article_4b9a54dc-7213-5b54-a12b-1b96f1a4ddb7.html (http://azstarnet.com/sports/basketball/college/wildcats/article_4b9a54dc-7213-5b54-a12b-1b96f1a4ddb7.html)
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He sounds a little like Bronx Carl.
Momo on Momo: "To other people, it may be something new. People may be like, 'I want to watch it again, because MoMo put on a show.' But to me, it's just another day in the life of MoMo Jones."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/05/former-usc-recruit-lamont-momo-jones-leaves-arizona-but-where-does-that-leave-arizona.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/05/former-usc-recruit-lamont-momo-jones-leaves-arizona-but-where-does-that-leave-arizona.html)
Other Great quote: "I don't necessarily think I played the basketball that MoMo likes to play." - on his play in the second half of the Pac-10 season, March 23
http://azstarnet.com/sports/basketball/college/wildcats/article_4b9a54dc-7213-5b54-a12b-1b96f1a4ddb7.html (http://azstarnet.com/sports/basketball/college/wildcats/article_4b9a54dc-7213-5b54-a12b-1b96f1a4ddb7.html)
As Terrell Owens once said, "I love me some me".
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I really wanted harrow but its a great time to be a johnnys fan when freakin momo jones is the backup plan!
Great to have another local on board! Even if he has to sit out the year, he can take the point over when Nuri leaves early. What happens with Phil Greene?
$500 standing bet to any and all takers that think Nuri does NOT get drafted in the first round in the next two years. Stop this talk about Nuri to the NBA...it is beyond ridiculous.
If it wasn't 1st round I would probably take the bet.
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So Dave is reporting this. He was the one who said that it was unlikely Momo to SJU would happen.
Now he is reporting it is done?
Where did you see Dave reporting on MoMo being a done deal?
BTW, regarding MoMo's family situation, someone posted the following information on MoMo in the TusconCitizen.com
"Lamont Da’sean Jones yes his middle name is ‘Da’sean is the son of Janeen Fuller(mother) & Clarence Sims(father).was raised primarily by his Grandmother.
Get the picture?"
Not sure if the above quote is true, but if it is, could help in getting the waiver...
http://tucsoncitizen.com/wildcatreport/2011/05/19/new-york-post-momo-jones-will-transfer-to-st-johns/ (http://tucsoncitizen.com/wildcatreport/2011/05/19/new-york-post-momo-jones-will-transfer-to-st-johns/)
Looks like he tweeted it, no?
And yes that would help his waiver cause if true.
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I really wanted harrow but its a great time to be a johnnys fan when freakin momo jones is the backup plan!
Great to have another local on board! Even if he has to sit out the year, he can take the point over when Nuri leaves early. What happens with Phil Greene?
$500 standing bet to any and all takers that think Nuri does NOT get drafted in the first round in the next two years. Stop this talk about Nuri to the NBA...it is beyond ridiculous.
If it wasn't 1st round I would probably take the bet.
I do not think the odds are good that Nuri gets drafted in the first round in the next two years. But I hope he does. Nonetheless, I'd put up $500 that he does not.
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FWIW Zagoria is reporting that Harrow has not yet decided on his destination www.zagsblog.com (http://www.zagsblog.com) ....
He's got having a good day.
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FWIW Zagoria is reporting that Harrow has not yet decided on his destination www.zagsblog.com (http://www.zagsblog.com) ....
He's got having a good day.
Not that I have to regurgitate what is on twitter, but Zags is saying that Harrow didn't make the St John's visit. I was kinda wondering about the timeline myself. People were saying that he was done real early this morning, when I thought his visit was today. Seemed strange to me.
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ESPN reporting:
As first reported this morning by Lenn Robbins of the New York Post, former Arizona guard Lamont "MoMo" Jones is headed to play for Steve Lavin at St. John's.
Even as a transfer, his impact with the Red Storm could come as soon as next season; Jones cited moving closer to his ailing grandmother in New York as the primary reason for transferring from the Wildcats, and could be eligible to play in 2011-12 under NCAA hardship rules.
Jones will compete for playing time -- whenever he's eligible to play -- with a handful of other impressive players slated to soon join the Red Storm. Lavin signed guards D'Angelo Harrison, Phillip Greene and Nurideen Lindsey in St. John's 2011 recruiting class, and while all are listed as shooting guards, Jones is also not a true point guard. Which of those four becomes the primary distributor, and how Lavin rotates his guards will be something to watch in the coming years.
Jones has two years of eligibility remaining.
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/features/rumors/_/date/20110519#4357 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/features/rumors/_/date/20110519#4357)
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I really wanted harrow but its a great time to be a johnnys fan when freakin momo jones is the backup plan!
Great to have another local on board! Even if he has to sit out the year, he can take the point over when Nuri leaves early. What happens with Phil Greene?
$500 standing bet to any and all takers that think Nuri does NOT get drafted in the first round in the next two years. Stop this talk about Nuri to the NBA...it is beyond ridiculous.
If it wasn't 1st round I would probably take the bet.
I do not think the odds are good that Nuri gets drafted in the first round in the next two years. But I hope he does. Nonetheless, I'd put up $500 that he does not.
Sorry, fixed my post. I don't think there is any way in h'ell--with all due respect to Nuri--that he gets drafted in the first round (and I'd be willing to say the next 10 picks) over the next two years. He'll be like 22 after the season (at least?) he is a tweener...he doesnt have the size/jumper to be a two and he doesn't have the athletic ability/handle to be a point. It's just not happening. That doesn't mean he can't be a great college player like Scotty Reynolds, though.
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Marillac- not necessarily disagreeing with you, but, what are you basing your opinion on? One game? No one has really seen this kid play. There is little, to no video of him. I get it, you watched a game and were not impressed. However, others have stated he is a legit scorer. Monta Ellis is the same size as this kid. He's a tweener. Not comparing the two, just saying that tweeners that are scorers make it. I just don't get what you see, or don't see, because there is nothing out there. One game means absolutely nothing.
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A lot of chatter on twitter that this is not a done deal.
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Marillac- not necessarily disagreeing with you, but, what are you basing your opinion on? One game? No one has really seen this kid play. There is little, to no video of him. I get it, you watched a game and were not impressed. However, others have stated he is a legit scorer. Monta Ellis is the same size as this kid. He's a tweener. Not comparing the two, just saying that tweeners that are scorers make it. I just don't get what you see, or don't see, because there is nothing out there. One game means absolutely nothing.
People don't understand how unbelievably hard it is to make it to the NBA...how many AWESOME college players haven't been able to make that leap. But without seeing this kid, people are saying he is a candidate to leave early and that talk is just absurd. If he leaves early, he'll be doing it like Carleton Scott from Notre Dame...not expecting to be drafted.
Yes, he's the same size as Ellis, but Ellis is a freak of an athlete and Nuri isn't. Nuri is a tweener, a combo...and there is no harder position to make the NBA than a 1/2...NONE. Our legend, Marcus Hatten, didn't even get a sniff and he stayed four years. Bootsy didn't get a sniff and he was a lights out shooter/scorer that stayed all four years.
I think Nuri will score and I'm hoping he can be a great Johnny and college player, but he is already like 21 or 22, without out-of-this-planet athleticism, a great jumper, or a real position. Not happening. If somebody disagrees, I'd be glad to take their money because it's obvious.
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Marillac- not necessarily disagreeing with you, but, what are you basing your opinion on? One game? No one has really seen this kid play. There is little, to no video of him. I get it, you watched a game and were not impressed. However, others have stated he is a legit scorer. Monta Ellis is the same size as this kid. He's a tweener. Not comparing the two, just saying that tweeners that are scorers make it. I just don't get what you see, or don't see, because there is nothing out there. One game means absolutely nothing.
People don't understand how unbelievably hard it is to make it to the NBA...how many AWESOME college players haven't been able to make that leap. But without seeing this kid, people are saying he is a candidate to leave early and that talk is just absurd. If he leaves early, he'll be doing it like Carleton Scott from Notre Dame...not expecting to be drafted.
Yes, he's the same size as Ellis, but Ellis is a freak of an athlete and Nuri isn't. Nuri is a tweener, a combo...and there is no harder position to make the NBA than a 1/2...NONE. Our legend, Marcus Hatten, didn't even get a sniff and he stayed four years. Bootsy didn't get a sniff and he was a lights out shooter/scorer that stayed all four years.
I think Nuri will score and I'm hoping he can be a great Johnny and college player, but he is already like 21 or 22, without out-of-this-planet athleticism, a great jumper, or a real position. Not happening. If somebody disagrees, I'd be glad to take their money because it's obvious.
Hatten and Bootsy are great examples. I think Hardy will unfortunately join that list.
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Marillac- not necessarily disagreeing with you, but, what are you basing your opinion on? One game? No one has really seen this kid play. There is little, to no video of him. I get it, you watched a game and were not impressed. However, others have stated he is a legit scorer. Monta Ellis is the same size as this kid. He's a tweener. Not comparing the two, just saying that tweeners that are scorers make it. I just don't get what you see, or don't see, because there is nothing out there. One game means absolutely nothing.
People don't understand how unbelievably hard it is to make it to the NBA...how many AWESOME college players haven't been able to make that leap. But without seeing this kid, people are saying he is a candidate to leave early and that talk is just absurd. If he leaves early, he'll be doing it like Carleton Scott from Notre Dame...not expecting to be drafted.
Yes, he's the same size as Ellis, but Ellis is a freak of an athlete and Nuri isn't. Nuri is a tweener, a combo...and there is no harder position to make the NBA than a 1/2...NONE. Our legend, Marcus Hatten, didn't even get a sniff and he stayed four years. Bootsy didn't get a sniff and he was a lights out shooter/scorer that stayed all four years.
I think Nuri will score and I'm hoping he can be a great Johnny and college player, but he is already like 21 or 22, without out-of-this-planet athleticism, a great jumper, or a real position. Not happening. If somebody disagrees, I'd be glad to take their money because it's obvious.
I'll try to get this post to Baron Davis. HE'S pretty convinced Nuri will be in the league. :)
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Marillac- not necessarily disagreeing with you, but, what are you basing your opinion on? One game? No one has really seen this kid play. There is little, to no video of him. I get it, you watched a game and were not impressed. However, others have stated he is a legit scorer. Monta Ellis is the same size as this kid. He's a tweener. Not comparing the two, just saying that tweeners that are scorers make it. I just don't get what you see, or don't see, because there is nothing out there. One game means absolutely nothing.
People don't understand how unbelievably hard it is to make it to the NBA...how many AWESOME college players haven't been able to make that leap. But without seeing this kid, people are saying he is a candidate to leave early and that talk is just absurd. If he leaves early, he'll be doing it like Carleton Scott from Notre Dame...not expecting to be drafted.
Yes, he's the same size as Ellis, but Ellis is a freak of an athlete and Nuri isn't. Nuri is a tweener, a combo...and there is no harder position to make the NBA than a 1/2...NONE. Our legend, Marcus Hatten, didn't even get a sniff and he stayed four years. Bootsy didn't get a sniff and he was a lights out shooter/scorer that stayed all four years.
I think Nuri will score and I'm hoping he can be a great Johnny and college player, but he is already like 21 or 22, without out-of-this-planet athleticism, a great jumper, or a real position. Not happening. If somebody disagrees, I'd be glad to take their money because it's obvious.
I'll try to get this post to Baron Davis. HE'S pretty convinced Nuri will be in the league. :)
If Baron think so, then it must be true :)
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Kinda drifted off the "MOMO" track!
If he gets the waiver, we'll be running out SEVEN top 70 recruits, and 2 JC All Americans next season. Made it to the dance with none last year...
You should check out the free scout board for Arizona hoops - I've never read so much "love" for a player who's walking away from a team.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=106&f=1668 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=106&f=1668)
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Some of you guys are crazy, we've gotten a bit spoiled here in NYC I love it. Momo is a great player and someone we would have absolutely killed for in the past, and I am very pumped on this. #1 class vs. #2 class down in Kentucky... we are more then back when we have debates like this going in... I'm loving this.
IF this is all true welcome aboard Momo...
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Anyone who would bet $500 that someone will be a 1st round draft pick that they have never seen play is an idiot. Your not exactly going out a limb there Mr. Moneymaker. ;)
To take the flipside, the NBA is littered with players no one thought would ever make it. Heart and desire play a huge role as well as ability and physical tools. You need them all the be a success at the next level. To judge someone's heart and determination that you've never seen isn't a smart move. How about this little guy Barrea on the Mavs. How many times was he told he didn't have a chance. Probably a lot.
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Just saw this on Sporting News:
Former Arizona point guard Lamont “Momo” Jones wants to transfer and play closer to his Harlem home, but he reportedly has not heard from St. John's.
A person close to Jones told ZagsBlog.com on Thursday afternoon that St. John's coaches have not made contact with Jones since he announced Monday that he would leave Arizona. This report is in conflict with a New York Post report earlier in the day that said Jones had agreed to transfer to St. John's.
St. John's has nine incoming players for next season and also is involved in recruiting another transfer, N.C. State's Ryan Harrow, who won't be eligible until 2012-13.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-05-19/lamont-momo-jones-future-still-in-doubt#ixzz1MqF0aCB7 (http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-05-19/lamont-momo-jones-future-still-in-doubt#ixzz1MqF0aCB7)
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The more I think about it, MoMo coming here over Harrow might be more of a blessing. IF MoMo is able to play this season, he gives us a physically ready D1 guard and infusion of talent. Even better than a JC AA would. In addition, MOMo is less likely to upset the balance with Jevon because Jones would potentially be a senior when Jevon steps in here and Nuri would be a junior. It would balance out the PG's quite well. I liked Harrow a lot, but once again, MoMo is less likely to interfere with Jevon's commitment to SJU.
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Just saw this on Sporting News:
Former Arizona point guard Lamont “Momo” Jones wants to transfer and play closer to his Harlem home, but he reportedly has not heard from St. John's.
A person close to Jones told ZagsBlog.com on Thursday afternoon that St. John's coaches have not made contact with Jones since he announced Monday that he would leave Arizona. This report is in conflict with a New York Post report earlier in the day that said Jones had agreed to transfer to St. John's.
St. John's has nine incoming players for next season and also is involved in recruiting another transfer, N.C. State's Ryan Harrow, who won't be eligible until 2012-13.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-05-19/lamont-momo-jones-future-still-in-doubt#ixzz1MqF0aCB7 (http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-05-19/lamont-momo-jones-future-still-in-doubt#ixzz1MqF0aCB7)
I would put money on the fact that MoMo has more than certainly heard from at least one person on the SJU staff. No chance nobody has spoken to him yet. Maybe just not showing their hand, but with Hicks on staff, he has certainly heard from somebody.
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Just saw this on Sporting News:
Former Arizona point guard Lamont “Momo” Jones wants to transfer and play closer to his Harlem home, but he reportedly has not heard from St. John's.
A person close to Jones told ZagsBlog.com on Thursday afternoon that St. John's coaches have not made contact with Jones since he announced Monday that he would leave Arizona. This report is in conflict with a New York Post report earlier in the day that said Jones had agreed to transfer to St. John's.
St. John's has nine incoming players for next season and also is involved in recruiting another transfer, N.C. State's Ryan Harrow, who won't be eligible until 2012-13.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-05-19/lamont-momo-jones-future-still-in-doubt#ixzz1MqF0aCB7 (http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-05-19/lamont-momo-jones-future-still-in-doubt#ixzz1MqF0aCB7)
I would put money on the fact that MoMo has more than certainly heard from at least one person on the SJU staff. No chance nobody has spoken to him yet. Maybe just not showing their hand, but with Hicks on staff, he has certainly heard from somebody.
I agree. NO EFFING CHANCE Hicks hasn't talked to this kid. Please. Momo would instantly become our third strongest player behind Pointer and GG....and sadly, his listed weight of 200 puts him in a tie for 4th heaviest player on the roster. LOL
I still want Harrow bad....the kid coudl be an animal in two years.
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Just read the Arizona forum. Some say he is not a true point guard but they all agree he has a lot of heart.
They also mention he has intangibles,and is a leader
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So Dave is reporting this. He was the one who said that it was unlikely Momo to SJU would happen.
Now he is reporting it is done?
Yea I wasn't confirming at first because I was still checking sources. I confirmed with multiple sources today that MoMo is coming to St. John's.
Lav wants to load himself up with guards not to leave himself short. This might be an indication that JT's academic developments are in jeopardy for 2012.
I also found out that Harrow will be going to UK in the process as Lavin wasn't going on a goose chase to land him. He knows what he wants and gets it. MoMo was there as a sure thing and Harrow was not.
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I also found out that MoMo tried to transfer to St. John's before the start of last season too for whatever that is worth.
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Welcome aboard MoMo!
I really hope he gets that waiver...it will certainly help to balance out the schollies a little.
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I am assuming that the rules changes with regard to staff members that kept Mo Hicks kids away from STJ has no ramifications on this transfer since Momo hasn't played for Hicks for four years.
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So Dave is reporting this. He was the one who said that it was unlikely Momo to SJU would happen.
Now he is reporting it is done?
Yea I wasn't confirming at first because I was still checking sources. I confirmed with multiple sources today that MoMo is coming to St. John's.
Lav wants to load himself up with guards not to leave himself short. This might be an indication that JT's academic developments are in jeopardy for 2012.
I also found out that Harrow will be going to UK in the process as Lavin wasn't going on a goose chase to land him. He knows what he wants and gets it. MoMo was there as a sure thing and Harrow was not.
Zags has a story up now stating it's not done with quotes from his camp. I hope you are right because it would be a huge matzoh ball :)
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anyone know what this is about?
http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1223666&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid= (http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1223666&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=)
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Zags has a story up now stating it's not done with quotes from his camp. I hope you are right because it would be a huge matzoh ball :)
Yep - it's a steel cage match! Lenn Robbins and Dave vs. Adam Zagoria!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/)
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Zags has a story up now stating it's not done with quotes from his camp. I hope you are right because it would be a huge matzoh ball :)
Yep - it's a steel cage match! Lenn Robbins and Dave vs. Adam Zagoria!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/)
adam zagoria doesnt know anything
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Zags has a story up now stating it's not done with quotes from his camp. I hope you are right because it would be a huge matzoh ball :)
Yep - it's a steel cage match! Lenn Robbins and Dave vs. Adam Zagoria!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/)
adam zagoria doesnt know anything
I am not saying i don't believe Dave.. However Zags is usually a pretty credible dude.
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Zags is right on with what he's reporting. He's doing his job.
1. There is a reason this person is unnamed (we need to keep it that way)
2. Technically nothing is officially "official"
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I am not saying i don't believe Dave.. However Zags is usually a pretty credible dude.
Oh, I agree! Dave has confirmed with multiple sources but Zags has some quotes from an advisor...It's hard to tell what's going on...It seems like if it's not done yet, then it'll be done soon
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Zags has a story up now stating it's not done with quotes from his camp. I hope you are right because it would be a huge matzoh ball :)
Yep - it's a steel cage match! Lenn Robbins and Dave vs. Adam Zagoria!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/)
adam zagoria doesnt know anything
So if someone from both SJU's staff and someone from Momo's camp are telling him nothing is done he "doesn't know anything."
I'm with Disco on this, it may turn out to be true but I would wait. Again just 3 weeks ago Zags was telling us Traylor was not considering SJU anymore and Mr. Robbins was telling us that he was still under consideration.
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Zags is right on with what he's reporting. He's doing his job.
1. There is a reason this person is unnamed (we need to keep it that way)
2. Technically nothing is officially "official"
Thanks Dave - so it's all but done but not 'official' yet
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I've said more a few pages ago on how things shook out
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Zags has a story up now stating it's not done with quotes from his camp. I hope you are right because it would be a huge matzoh ball :)
Yep - it's a steel cage match! Lenn Robbins and Dave vs. Adam Zagoria!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/)
adam zagoria doesnt know anything
I am not saying i don't believe Dave.. However Zags is usually a pretty credible dude.
He has no connections at St. John's.
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Zags has a story up now stating it's not done with quotes from his camp. I hope you are right because it would be a huge matzoh ball :)
Yep - it's a steel cage match! Lenn Robbins and Dave vs. Adam Zagoria!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/)
adam zagoria doesnt know anything
I am not saying i don't believe Dave.. However Zags is usually a pretty credible dude.
He has no connections at St. John's.
What does having no connections at this school have to do with being credible or getting quotes from Momo's camp? This coming from the all time whiff master!
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1. There is a reason this person is unnamed (we need to keep it that way)
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If his adviser is who I think it is, I want NO part of Momo Jones or this situation. NONE.
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Name names Theo.
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Name names Theo.
NoNo
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You don't have to confirm who it is - if Theo wants to bash someone he should name names, that's all.
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You don't have to confirm who it is - if Theo wants to bash someone he should name names, that's all.
I'm putting Harry Potter rules into effect. Can't mention his name
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Name names Theo.
PM me and I will tell you but you have to keep your mouth shut on it Mike. This is how I know what Zags is saying is not made up or without credibility.
It does not mean he won't be at SJU it just means he has credible sources.
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HMIC says "Jones to SJU" is "premature." That is all I am going to say at this point.
BTW-Alex Schwartz has a Rivals.com article analyzing what a Jones to SJU move could mean for the recruitment of Kyle Anderson:
http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1223666 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1223666)
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HMIC says "Jones to SJU" is "premature." That is all I am going to say at this point.
BTW-Alex Schwartz has a Rivals.com article analyzing what a Jones to SJU move could mean for the recruitment of Kyle Anderson:
http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1223666 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1223666)
sorry whose HMIC?
and can anyone summerize what the rivals artice says for those of us who arent members? It would be greatly apprectiated
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Just read the Arizona forum. Some say he is not a true point guard but they all agree he has a lot of heart.
They also mention he has intangibles,and is a leader
While most on the Arizona board were positive there were some others with posts such as:
"However, his role was set to be reduced with the addition of freshman guards Josiah Turner and Nick Johnson.
In fact, there was significant cause for concern that Jones would hinder team chemistry if relegated to a reserve role – which was likely the case. "
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The Rivals article was rubbish. Alex Schwartz has been in Miami out of touch with anything going on for the entire year. It's merely commentary with no substance.
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thanks dave
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So if a dead period is starting for a couple weeks please dont say this can drag on for that long. I don't know if we could analyze this any other way as we already have hit everything :knuppel2:
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LOL its not the person i was envisioning thats involved in his recruitment. everyone (including me) can breathe easily.
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LOL its not the person i was envisioning thats involved in his recruitment. everyone (including me) can breathe easily.
Would love to know who you were 'thinking' of.
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Dave, what kind of news from Momo's camp can we expect and when?
As someone said earlier, will this drag out during the dead period? I know you must have great sources, but it would be nice for St. John's to put out an official announcement.
What is the Momo-Kyle Anderson connection, if any?
Minor point, how hard is it to change the "SG" to a "PG" in this thread's title?
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Dave, what kind of news from Momo's camp can we expect and when?
As someone said earlier, will this drag out during the dead period? I know you must have great sources, but it would be nice for St. John's to put out an official announcement.
What is the Momo-Kyle Anderson connection, if any?
Minor point, how hard is it to change the "SG" to a "PG" in this thread's title?
Dead period just prevents on campus and off campus visits. It doesn't prevent phone calls either way. And I'm sure MoMo knows where campus is and has been there.
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Devils advocate. Shouldnt MOMO's assists #'s be higher ?
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I support bringing Momo on board, but I do think peter has made some great (and truthful) points.
Momo is a headache. Has been a headache since his HS days and I hear he's still a bit of a handful. IF we decide to bring Jones on board, Lav will really need to work to make sure this A) doesnt alienate Nurideen Lindsey (who could be pissed off because of this) and B) doesnt affect the chemistry with the rest of the group. However, the reason I support bringing Momo on board is that, after watching a number of our recruits play, I really feel a number of these guys will be deficient offensively coming into the Big East next year, and we could REALLY use some scoring and this would be a huge boost.
This move is all about weighing the pros and cons. I can certainly see and understand either side of this argument.
Didnt you say on facebook a couple of days ago that you wanted MOMO so bad you would change your name to MOMO Rabinowitz or something like that if he came here ?
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I support bringing Momo on board, but I do think peter has made some great (and truthful) points.
Momo is a headache. Has been a headache since his HS days and I hear he's still a bit of a handful. IF we decide to bring Jones on board, Lav will really need to work to make sure this A) doesnt alienate Nurideen Lindsey (who could be pissed off because of this) and B) doesnt affect the chemistry with the rest of the group. However, the reason I support bringing Momo on board is that, after watching a number of our recruits play, I really feel a number of these guys will be deficient offensively coming into the Big East next year, and we could REALLY use some scoring and this would be a huge boost.
This move is all about weighing the pros and cons. I can certainly see and understand either side of this argument.
Didnt you say on facebook a couple of days ago that you wanted MOMO so bad you would change your name to MOMO Rabinowitz or something like that if he came here ?
Yep!! Swaying back and forth on whether I want him.
NYDN article on Momo: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2011/05/19/2011-05-19_lamont_momo_jones_will_transfer_from_arizona_may_land_at_st_johns_uconn_or_seton.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2011/05/19/2011-05-19_lamont_momo_jones_will_transfer_from_arizona_may_land_at_st_johns_uconn_or_seton.html)
Quote from Daily News article on Dermon Player, who is one of the people in his ear: "But one Big East assistant coach – whose school is not seeking Jones – characterized the process as Player "shopping" Jones around perhaps because "he may want to get back into college coaching."
"I would never use a kid to get a job," Player said."
Again, I hope the staff trudges carefully with this one. The kid has always been a circus and has had many voices in his ear throughout his basketball career.
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There are people within who are for and people who are questioning MoMo's value on a whole to the team. So for the reports either way could be depending on who you're hearing it from. Everything I said prior holds true to how things unfolded in real time today. There are still some doubts which has kept Lav's fingers on the trigger but yet to pull. Literally it keeps going back and forth. I might get another text in an hour that says done again. I'm going to refrain from posting more play by play on this. When its officially done, done. I'll chime back in.
I'll reiterate my desire not to have MoMo. I'd rather live or die with Stith spilling minutes who's a competitor and good teammate. MoMo's talent is far superior but sometimes it isn't worth it.
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There are people within who are for and people who are questioning MoMo's value on a whole to the team. So for the reports either way could be depending on who you're hearing it from. Everything I said prior holds true to how things unfolded in real time today. There are still some doubts which has kept Lav's fingers on the trigger but yet to pull. Literally it keeps going back and forth. I might get another text in an hour that says done again. I'm going to refrain from posting more play by play on this. When its officially done, done. I'll chime back in.
I'll reiterate my desire not to have MoMo. I'd rather live or die with Stith spilling minutes who's a competitor and good teammate. MoMo's talent is far superior but sometimes it isn't worth it.
I'm starting to agree that MoMo is probably not even worth it. This thing seems like it wont help us that much and might even cause a logjam with the guys we have. Maybe we should just see what happens with Harrow or just move on all together. I'm wondering if Lavin will even go ahead with MoMo at this point.
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There are people within who are for and people who are questioning MoMo's value on a whole to the team. So for the reports either way could be depending on who you're hearing it from. Everything I said prior holds true to how things unfolded in real time today. There are still some doubts which has kept Lav's fingers on the trigger but yet to pull. Literally it keeps going back and forth. I might get another text in an hour that says done again. I'm going to refrain from posting more play by play on this. When its officially done, done. I'll chime back in.
I'll reiterate my desire not to have MoMo. I'd rather live or die with Stith spilling minutes who's a competitor and good teammate. MoMo's talent is far superior but sometimes it isn't worth it.
I'm starting to agree that MoMo is probably not even worth it. This thing seems like it wont help us that much and might even cause a logjam with the guys we have. Maybe we should just see what happens with Harrow or just move on all together. I'm wondering if Lavin will even go ahead with MoMo at this point.
MoMo has his negatives, yes. But Harrow would create more of a logjam. MoMo coming in as a Jr. with immediate eligibility means he's a Sr. in 2012 with possibly Jevon and or Kyle. Harrow coming in as a Soph, would be much closer to Jevon and or Kyle in 2012.
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I agree with Moose if Lamont gets his waiver he would help balance out the scholarships. It would work out great if Jevon needs an extra year but something doesn't smell right and assuming it is either Lamont or someone in 2012....I would prefer to hold it for some of the high level talent in 2012.
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So yesterday he was going to St. John's 100% and now he isn't?
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So yesterday he was going to St. John's 100% and now he isn't?
Huge matzoh ball.
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Why all the negativity with this kid? Has he ever actually been suspended or in trouble with either school officials or the law? I know he's bounced around high school to high school and gave a few committments along the way, but that is not uncommon these days. Anyway, why not give him the benefit of the doubt?
Am I missing something?
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I would prefer to hold it for some of the high level talent in 2012.
Ditto. We're very close with Anderson and Gathers (whom I'd prefer in the long run), and in good shape at the guard position next season (in my opinion).
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The only thing that would make MoMo a very important pickup is if Nuri wasn't on track to be here this coming year due to schoolwork issues. I know he needs summer classes to fulfill all his coursework. Hopefully he is doing so.
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Personally, I think it's hard to say we are set at the guard spot next year. To say oh, we don't need a PG like Momo because we have Nuri, Stith and a couple of combos is a bit of a reach. Momo is an established high major guard that already has proven he can play on a high level. The other guys haven't.
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I also found out that MoMo tried to transfer to St. John's before the start of last season too for whatever that is worth.
If this is the case then it shouldnt really be a shocker out of left field. And the staff should have weighed some of these pro's and con's already. No?
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The staff did pretty good with Hardy developing him at the point. Granted he lighted it up scoring but if they can do the same thing to Lindsey than to be honest I think maybe I'd rather hold the schollie especially if Jevon is close to on track academically
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I agree with SJUhoopNUT's last post. MoMo is a proven player at the highest level of competition. Towards the end of last year, he really picked up his game and showed that he could absolutely lead a high major team as a PG. Granted, based on his interviews, he's got a strong personality and isn't afraid to speak his mind, but all I have read, the players on AZ looked up to him as a (if not THE) leader of the team. In fact, MoMo personally hosted Josiah Turner (the "next" starting PG at AZ) during AZ's recruitment of Turner, and partly owing to MoMo's gracious and supportive attitude toward Turner, he committed to AZ. Besides, I have to trust that Lavin & Co. will be able to manage the egos aboard the "ark".
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The staff did pretty good with Hardy developing him at the point. Granted he lighted it up scoring but if they can do the same thing to Lindsey than to be honest I think maybe I'd rather hold the schollie especially if Jevon is close to on track academically
I think I would take MoMo over Jevon because I do wonder if having Jevon on board is holding back Kyle a bit.
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Getting Momo might turn off Jevon, thats too bad, but that is how the game works. You don't pass on a kid because you are worried how it might affect a committed recruit down the line. Momo presents an opportunity to get stronger next year. Not to mention, Jevon isn't a lock to even show up in the fall of 2012. And lets say Jevon does what he needs to do academically and is eligible for 2012, is he really going to let 1 year of playing with Momo (assuming the waiver goes through) deter him from coming to St. John's?
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The staff did pretty good with Hardy developing him at the point. Granted he lighted it up scoring but if they can do the same thing to Lindsey than to be honest I think maybe I'd rather hold the schollie especially if Jevon is close to on track academically
I think I would take MoMo over Jevon because I do wonder if having Jevon on board is holding back Kyle a bit.
If Kyle commits, he'll be the best player on the team.
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The staff did pretty good with Hardy developing him at the point. Granted he lighted it up scoring but if they can do the same thing to Lindsey than to be honest I think maybe I'd rather hold the schollie especially if Jevon is close to on track academically
I think I would take MoMo over Jevon because I do wonder if having Jevon on board is holding back Kyle a bit.
If Kyle commits, he'll be the best player on the team.
I know. He is my priority #1. So having MoMo who is closer to graduating than a Harrow or Jevon is better scenario in my mind.
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As good as the class is ,they are young,mostlly frosh. It would be nice to have an experienced upperclassman who has leadership skills and started for a top 10 school. Regarding logjam, if Momo doesn"t come someone else will even if its a 2012 recruit. This will also help scholirship distribution.
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I might have been bleary eyed, but @ midnight last night, did someone
change title of thread to say "ST JOHNS" after his name- then remove it ?
With classes probably over, is Momo back in NYC for the summer ?
If a kid has to sit a year, he still gets to play 4 years(5 years of schol total)?
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If Kyle commits, he'll be the best player on the team.
I know. He is my priority #1. So having MoMo who is closer to graduating than a Harrow or Jevon is better scenario in my mind.
You're probably right, tom.
I agree, Moose (he's also my priority #1). Hopefully, he is also the the #1 priority for the staff, Moose. Maybe, the staff are weighing their options, whether to nab MoMo or not, with Anderson in mind.
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I might have been bleary eyed, but @ midnight last night, did someone
change title of thread to say "ST JOHNS" after his name- then remove it ?
With classes probably over, is Momo back in NYC for the summer ?
If a kid has to sit a year, he still gets to play 4 years(5 years of schol total)?
Yes it was changed back.
He's coming back to NY this weekend articles have said.
He would have 2 more years whatever way you shake it.
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The only thing that would make MoMo a very important pickup is if Nuri wasn't on track to be here this coming year due to schoolwork issues. I know he needs summer classes to fulfill all his coursework. Hopefully he is doing so.
I am sure Nuri knows what he needs to do to qualify or he would have declared for the draft, not worried about this at all
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I can't believe how sure and done this was to how doubtful in a matter of 12 hours. It's like the ESPN commercial says, "It's not crazy, it's sports."
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I can't believe how sure and done this was to how doubtful in a matter of 12 hours. It's like the ESPN commercial says, "It's not crazy, it's sports."
Well that sounds like you mean it was officially 'done'. And it wasn't just overzealous social media people trying to one up everyone.
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I can't believe how sure and done this was to how doubtful in a matter of 12 hours. It's like the ESPN commercial says, "It's not crazy, it's sports."
Well that sounds like you mean it was officially 'done'. And it wasn't just overzealous social media people trying to one up everyone.
as usual.
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I can't believe how sure and done this was to how doubtful in a matter of 12 hours. It's like the ESPN commercial says, "It's not crazy, it's sports."
Well that sounds like you mean it was officially 'done'. And it wasn't just overzealous social media people trying to one up everyone.
I don't think anyone was really trying to one up anyone. Lenn had it right at the time, I checked independent sources that confirmed as I was in disbelief. Things changed, it happens. Back in the day half this stuff wouldn't be covered and you would never know about it.
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I can't believe how sure and done this was to how doubtful in a matter of 12 hours. It's like the ESPN commercial says, "It's not crazy, it's sports."
Well that sounds like you mean it was officially 'done'. And it wasn't just overzealous social media people trying to one up everyone.
I don't think anyone was really trying to one up anyone. Lenn had it right at the time, I checked independent sources that confirmed as I was in disbelief. Things changed, it happens. Back in the day half this stuff wouldn't be covered and you would never know about it.
Ok so what changed exactly? Can that be said? STJ? MoMo? I'm just confused on timelines. I thought Lavin reached out for first time yesterday (Zags) but then meanwhile Lenn had him transferring first thing in the am before Lavin would have talked to MoMo's camp. This is like a soap opera.
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The staff did pretty good with Hardy developing him at the point. Granted he lighted it up scoring but if they can do the same thing to Lindsey than to be honest I think maybe I'd rather hold the schollie especially if Jevon is close to on track academically
Nice thought if you're building for 2-3 years down the road. "boy, when they're juniors and seniors we can do some serious damage"....BUT...
This staff is interested in NOW. Deep runs in the dance are the target NOW. Nuri MAY be able to do it. Momo ALREADY HAS.
Without Momo this teams D-1 experience at guard is Malik's 669 minutes. Tourney experience is 9 minutes, 2 pts, no assists, no rebs.
With Momo, add 1,551 more minutes. And 106 Tourney minutes.
Guys, this is a kid who got 20 vs BYU. 27 vs Cal. 20 against OSU. 18 vs Memphis. 17 against UCLA. 17 against USC. 16pts 6 assists vs Duke. And that's as the THIRD scoring option in the offense.
All this assumes he gets the waiver. It's a crapshoot with the NCAA, and Momo for 2013 and 2014 doesn't have near the same impact as Momo for 2012 and 2013.
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The staff did pretty good with Hardy developing him at the point. Granted he lighted it up scoring but if they can do the same thing to Lindsey than to be honest I think maybe I'd rather hold the schollie especially if Jevon is close to on track academically
Nice thought if you're building for 2-3 years down the road. "boy, when they're juniors and seniors we can do some serious damage"....BUT...
This staff is interested in NOW. Deep runs in the dance are the target NOW. Nuri MAY be able to do it. Momo ALREADY HAS.
Without Momo this teams D-1 experience at guard is Malik's 669 minutes. Tourney experience is 9 minutes, 2 pts, no assists, no rebs.
With Momo, add 1,551 more minutes. And 106 Tourney minutes.
Guys, this is a kid who got 20 vs BYU. 27 vs Cal. 20 against OSU. 18 vs Memphis. 17 against UCLA. 17 against USC. 16pts 6 assists vs Duke. And that's as the THIRD scoring option in the offense.
All this assumes he gets the waiver. It's a crapshoot with the NCAA, and Momo for 2013 and 2014 doesn't have near the same impact as Momo for 2012 and 2013.
Agree 100% and Mo Mo for 2013 and 2014 is fine too with me. I wasn't really all that interested when I heard about it at first but the more I thought about it, it's a no brainer. He would fit in nicely with the wings and bring a lot of experience to the table.
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I agree!!! If Mo Mo can play this season it is a no brainer..
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I agree!!! If Mo Mo can play this season it is a no brainer..
A lot of people will agree with that. Unfortunately the decision on where he's going and whether to take him has to be made well before the NCAA will make their decision on if they grant the waiver. Therein lies the rub.
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St. John’s, UConn, Seton Hall, Hofstra and Iona are among schools that have expressed interest in Jones- as per Zagoria
Why doesnt Fordham or Manhattan take a shot at Jones?
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I do think that MoMo would be a massive upgrade to the roster if he's eligible this season. It would be instant magic for thismteam to have a PAC 10 starter manning the PG spot. Wed be much more competitive early on and integrate the others faster. We're sooo inexperienced, he'd be a big acquisition. I'm just torn overr this whole thing but I guess we can't worry all that much if one or two guys are a little peeved by it and just let Lavin handle it. He can replace talent almost instantly with other high level guys.
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St. John’s, UConn, Seton Hall, Hofstra and Iona are among schools that have expressed interest in Jones- as per Zagoria
Why doesnt Fordham or Manhattan take a shot at Jones?
If Lavin wants him, he'll be at SJU. Of that I have no doubt.
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The only thing that would make MoMo a very important pickup is if Nuri wasn't on track to be here this coming year due to schoolwork issues. I know he needs summer classes to fulfill all his coursework. Hopefully he is doing so.
Totally agree. Nuri brings the experience while still allowing enough PT for the new recruits to gain the valuable experience they will need for 2012. I like the idea of the new kids getting maximum PT even if it costs us a game or two this season. If Nuri and MoMo are both here in 2011 they will both be getting major minutes possibly at the expense of Harrison or Greene. If Jevon is going to be eligible for 2012 we'll be in good shape.
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100% true. If SJU offered he would take it.
btw It looks like Zags being cautious in his reporting on this per his sources has been the right move.
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The staff did pretty good with Hardy developing him at the point. Granted he lighted it up scoring but if they can do the same thing to Lindsey than to be honest I think maybe I'd rather hold the schollie especially if Jevon is close to on track academically
Nice thought if you're building for 2-3 years down the road. "boy, when they're juniors and seniors we can do some serious damage"....BUT...
This staff is interested in NOW. Deep runs in the dance are the target NOW. Nuri MAY be able to do it. Momo ALREADY HAS.
Without Momo this teams D-1 experience at guard is Malik's 669 minutes. Tourney experience is 9 minutes, 2 pts, no assists, no rebs.
With Momo, add 1,551 more minutes. And 106 Tourney minutes.
Guys, this is a kid who got 20 vs BYU. 27 vs Cal. 20 against OSU. 18 vs Memphis. 17 against UCLA. 17 against USC. 16pts 6 assists vs Duke. And that's as the THIRD scoring option in the offense.
All this assumes he gets the waiver. It's a crapshoot with the NCAA, and Momo for 2013 and 2014 doesn't have near the same impact as Momo for 2012 and 2013.
Experience isn't as valuable as it was. Talent wins out. Uconn just won a NC with one experienced player.
Momo is a talented player, but is he going to be able to go from the PAC 10 to the BE so easily?
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The staff did pretty good with Hardy developing him at the point. Granted he lighted it up scoring but if they can do the same thing to Lindsey than to be honest I think maybe I'd rather hold the schollie especially if Jevon is close to on track academically
Nice thought if you're building for 2-3 years down the road. "boy, when they're juniors and seniors we can do some serious damage"....BUT...
This staff is interested in NOW. Deep runs in the dance are the target NOW. Nuri MAY be able to do it. Momo ALREADY HAS.
Without Momo this teams D-1 experience at guard is Malik's 669 minutes. Tourney experience is 9 minutes, 2 pts, no assists, no rebs.
With Momo, add 1,551 more minutes. And 106 Tourney minutes.
Guys, this is a kid who got 20 vs BYU. 27 vs Cal. 20 against OSU. 18 vs Memphis. 17 against UCLA. 17 against USC. 16pts 6 assists vs Duke. And that's as the THIRD scoring option in the offense.
All this assumes he gets the waiver. It's a crapshoot with the NCAA, and Momo for 2013 and 2014 doesn't have near the same impact as Momo for 2012 and 2013.
Experience isn't as valuable as it was. Talent wins out. Uconn just won a NC with one experienced player.
Momo is a talented player, but is he going to be able to go from the PAC 10 to the BE so easily?
Youre right Poison, he should stay close to home-at Iona.
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8)The SNY 1:00 am show reported Jones will transfer to St. John's, hoping the NCAA will allow him to play this upcoming year. Apparently he claims he wants to be near his grandmother.
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The staff did pretty good with Hardy developing him at the point. Granted he lighted it up scoring but if they can do the same thing to Lindsey than to be honest I think maybe I'd rather hold the schollie especially if Jevon is close to on track academically
Nice thought if you're building for 2-3 years down the road. "boy, when they're juniors and seniors we can do some serious damage"....BUT...
This staff is interested in NOW. Deep runs in the dance are the target NOW. Nuri MAY be able to do it. Momo ALREADY HAS.
Without Momo this teams D-1 experience at guard is Malik's 669 minutes. Tourney experience is 9 minutes, 2 pts, no assists, no rebs.
With Momo, add 1,551 more minutes. And 106 Tourney minutes.
Guys, this is a kid who got 20 vs BYU. 27 vs Cal. 20 against OSU. 18 vs Memphis. 17 against UCLA. 17 against USC. 16pts 6 assists vs Duke. And that's as the THIRD scoring option in the offense.
All this assumes he gets the waiver. It's a crapshoot with the NCAA, and Momo for 2013 and 2014 doesn't have near the same impact as Momo for 2012 and 2013.
Experience isn't as valuable as it was. Talent wins out. Uconn just won a NC with one experienced player.
Momo is a talented player, but is he going to be able to go from the PAC 10 to the BE so easily?
Youre right Poison, he should stay close to home-at Iona.
the pac 10 but he still helped get a team to the elite eight
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This could hurt if true. Man this is getting so messy:
Arizona guard Lamont Jones is transferring back East, possibly to a Big East school, according to reports in the New York media. The New York Post reported he might try to get a hardship waiver in order to play immediately. According to one source with knowledge of the situation, Jones may not get the support he needs from Arizona in a case like that. He originally told the Wildcats staff that he was going to play in Europe before mentioning a few days later that his grandmother is ill. To get a waiver to play immediately, the previous school has to provide supporting documentation.
The Wildcats are looking at Jones' stay in Tucson as though he were a junior college player whose two years of eligibility have expired. The Wildcats have moved on, but according to a source, it doesn't appear that Arizona will endorse a transfer that would allow him to play immediately somewhere else.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6569970/news-notes-nba-pre-draft-camp (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6569970/news-notes-nba-pre-draft-camp)
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Lavin is weighing his options and has a difficult decision to make. How interested is Harrow in coming to SJU? Can Jones get the waiver? How will he effect the chemistry of this team? How will he effect future recruits?
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This could hurt if true. Man this is getting so messy:
The Wildcats have moved on, but according to a source, it doesn't appear that Arizona will endorse a transfer that would allow him to play immediately somewhere else.
40+-year-old coaches should not get into a pissing match with a 20-year-old player, especially when incoming freshmen are more talented than the departing player. If the kid thinks he'll be happier at Iona then let him go there.
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FWIW Katz's tidbit seems to be so much crap. Jone is quoted as saying he's going to another school in the Arizona official release. So the release writer knew what Momo was doing but not Sean?
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This could hurt if true. Man this is getting so messy:
The Wildcats have moved on, but according to a source, it doesn't appear that Arizona will endorse a transfer that would allow him to play immediately somewhere else.
40+-year-old coaches should not get into a pissing match with a 20-year-old player, especially when incoming freshmen are more talented than the departing player. If the kid thinks he'll be happier at Iona then let him go there.
But what about STJ. Ive heard of coaches restricting players from going to schools that were on the schedule. We are somewhat on their schedule. Not sure its guarantee as I haven't seen the brackets but we could be playing them in the Garden.
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This could hurt if true. Man this is getting so messy:
Arizona guard Lamont Jones is transferring back East, possibly to a Big East school, according to reports in the New York media. The New York Post reported he might try to get a hardship waiver in order to play immediately. According to one source with knowledge of the situation, Jones may not get the support he needs from Arizona in a case like that. He originally told the Wildcats staff that he was going to play in Europe before mentioning a few days later that his grandmother is ill. To get a waiver to play immediately, the previous school has to provide supporting documentation.
The Wildcats are looking at Jones' stay in Tucson as though he were a junior college player whose two years of eligibility have expired. The Wildcats have moved on, but according to a source, it doesn't appear that Arizona will endorse a transfer that would allow him to play immediately somewhere else.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6569970/news-notes-nba-pre-draft-camp (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6569970/news-notes-nba-pre-draft-camp)
That is 100% true for a waiver application to be seriously considered the outgoing team needs to be onboard.
This is why I maintain a waiver is a longshot.
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This could hurt if true. Man this is getting so messy:
Arizona guard Lamont Jones is transferring back East, possibly to a Big East school, according to reports in the New York media. The New York Post reported he might try to get a hardship waiver in order to play immediately. According to one source with knowledge of the situation, Jones may not get the support he needs from Arizona in a case like that. He originally told the Wildcats staff that he was going to play in Europe before mentioning a few days later that his grandmother is ill. To get a waiver to play immediately, the previous school has to provide supporting documentation.
The Wildcats are looking at Jones' stay in Tucson as though he were a junior college player whose two years of eligibility have expired. The Wildcats have moved on, but according to a source, it doesn't appear that Arizona will endorse a transfer that would allow him to play immediately somewhere else.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6569970/news-notes-nba-pre-draft-camp (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6569970/news-notes-nba-pre-draft-camp)
That is 100% true for a waiver application to be seriously considered the outgoing team needs to be onboard.
This is why I maintain a waiver is a longshot.
In addition, I would guess that heading to SJU would significantly improve his chances of a waiver. He heads to Uconn who is a few hours away from his grandmother and IMO it hurts his case. Even more WRT the ACC. One has to realize one thing though. Even if MoMo doesn't get a waiver, imagine how good he could be sitting out one year, learning the system and working with the team. The kid could be dangerous.
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This could hurt if true. Man this is getting so messy:
Arizona guard Lamont Jones is transferring back East, possibly to a Big East school, according to reports in the New York media. The New York Post reported he might try to get a hardship waiver in order to play immediately. According to one source with knowledge of the situation, Jones may not get the support he needs from Arizona in a case like that. He originally told the Wildcats staff that he was going to play in Europe before mentioning a few days later that his grandmother is ill. To get a waiver to play immediately, the previous school has to provide supporting documentation.
The Wildcats are looking at Jones' stay in Tucson as though he were a junior college player whose two years of eligibility have expired. The Wildcats have moved on, but according to a source, it doesn't appear that Arizona will endorse a transfer that would allow him to play immediately somewhere else.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6569970/news-notes-nba-pre-draft-camp (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6569970/news-notes-nba-pre-draft-camp)
That is 100% true for a waiver application to be seriously considered the outgoing team needs to be onboard.
This is why I maintain a waiver is a longshot.
Miller's quotes the first day he left were very complimentary. But who the hell knows anymore. As the MoMo turns continues.
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This could hurt if true. Man this is getting so messy:
Arizona guard Lamont Jones is transferring back East, possibly to a Big East school, according to reports in the New York media. The New York Post reported he might try to get a hardship waiver in order to play immediately. According to one source with knowledge of the situation, Jones may not get the support he needs from Arizona in a case like that. He originally told the Wildcats staff that he was going to play in Europe before mentioning a few days later that his grandmother is ill. To get a waiver to play immediately, the previous school has to provide supporting documentation.
The Wildcats are looking at Jones' stay in Tucson as though he were a junior college player whose two years of eligibility have expired. The Wildcats have moved on, but according to a source, it doesn't appear that Arizona will endorse a transfer that would allow him to play immediately somewhere else.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6569970/news-notes-nba-pre-draft-camp (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/6569970/news-notes-nba-pre-draft-camp)
That is 100% true for a waiver application to be seriously considered the outgoing team needs to be onboard.
This is why I maintain a waiver is a longshot.
In addition, I would guess that heading to SJU would significantly improve his chances of a waiver. He heads to Uconn who is a few hours away from his grandmother and IMO it hurts his case. Even more WRT the ACC. One has to realize one thing though. Even if MoMo doesn't get a waiver, imagine how good he could be sitting out one year, learning the system and working with the team. The kid could be dangerous.
Exactly! This is why I cant understand why Pecora is not all over this kid if Lavin has 2nd thoughts. Hopefully Cluess and Grasso are ready to stomp on this if SJU passes
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The only thing that would make MoMo a very important pickup is if Nuri wasn't on track to be here this coming year due to schoolwork issues. I know he needs summer classes to fulfill all his coursework. Hopefully he is doing so.
Totally agree. Nuri brings the experience while still allowing enough PT for the new recruits to gain the valuable experience they will need for 2012. I like the idea of the new kids getting maximum PT even if it costs us a game or two this season. If Nuri and MoMo are both here in 2011 they will both be getting major minutes possibly at the expense of Harrison or Greene. If Jevon is going to be eligible for 2012 we'll be in good shape.
????? Nuri has played one season of organized ball in thelast 3 years. He didn't play his senior year of high school, didn't play the following year at the JC (thats why he has 3 years eligibility remaining). He has the LEAST experience of any of our newcomers. Over that same period Momo led Oak Hill to a 44-1 record as a High School Senior, then played 34 games as a backkup PG as a freshman, then led Arizona to a #9 ranking in D-1 and an Elite 8....
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The only thing that would make MoMo a very important pickup is if Nuri wasn't on track to be here this coming year due to schoolwork issues. I know he needs summer classes to fulfill all his coursework. Hopefully he is doing so.
Totally agree. Nuri brings the experience while still allowing enough PT for the new recruits to gain the valuable experience they will need for 2012. I like the idea of the new kids getting maximum PT even if it costs us a game or two this season. If Nuri and MoMo are both here in 2011 they will both be getting major minutes possibly at the expense of Harrison or Greene. If Jevon is going to be eligible for 2012 we'll be in good shape.
????? Nuri has played one season of organized ball in thelast 3 years. He didn't play his senior year of high school, didn't play the following year at the JC (thats why he has 3 years eligibility remaining). He has the LEAST experience of any of our newcomers. Over that same period Momo led Oak Hill to a 44-1 record as a High School Senior, then played 34 games as a backkup PG as a freshman, then led Arizona to a #9 ranking in D-1 and an Elite 8....
crgreen, if eligible this season-think he starts ?
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"crgreen, if eligible this season-think he starts ?"
While I will not answer for crgreen, I think his analysis of Nuri's and Momo's experiences over the past three years may answer that question. Actual D-1 experience counts!
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being a realist...momo doesn't get the waiver. he doesn't want to sit out, so he plays overseas for a year then puts himself up for the nba draft.
sorry, guys.
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being a realist...momo doesn't get the waiver. he doesn't want to sit out, so he plays overseas for a year then puts himself up for the nba draft.
sorry, guys.
I'm ok with that.
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Being a realist Momo isn't going to sniff the league.
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The guy has quitter written all over him. His pattern of behavior since high school speaks volumes. He just bounces from school to school until he finds the situation he's looking for. As soon as that situation starts to turn sour, he's ready to walk. This isn't the first time he wanted to quit at Arizona. He almost quit his freshman year when Miller put him on a short leash.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Pac-10-Preview-MoMo-Jones-emerging-as-a-leader-?urn=ncaab-276059 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Pac-10-Preview-MoMo-Jones-emerging-as-a-leader-?urn=ncaab-276059)
As the rest of his Arizona teammates prepared to celebrate New Year's eve in Los Angeles last year, backup point guard Lamont "MoMo" Jones was on the phone with his mom trying futilely to choke back tears.
The homesick Harlem native's bold decision to attend college all the way across the country no longer seemed like the right choice anymore. Not only was he struggling to make an impact on the court or mesh with teammates and coaches in the locker room, his poor attitude after logging just nine minutes that afternoon in a loss to USC had also led him to be suspended for Arizona's next game at UCLA.
"When the ball dropped, I was still on the phone with him because he wanted to come home so bad," Jones' mother, Jeneen Fuller, said. "He was crying. He was miserable. He just wanted to come home. I was actually scared for a minute because I really thought that was what he was going to do."
Now he sees the writing on the wall with Josiah Turner coming in to eat into his playing time and he's quitting again.
"What's that? Turner is going to be takin most of my minutes next year? I'm goin to Europe b!ithces!"
"What's that? I can start at SJU with a hardship? Uh...Grandma is sick!"
What a piece of work. ::)
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The guy has quitter written all over him. His pattern of behavior since high school speaks volumes. He just bounces from school to school until he finds the situation he's looking for. As soon as that situation starts to turn sour, he's ready to walk. This isn't the first time he wanted to quit at Arizona. He almost quit his freshman year when Miller put him on a short leash.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Pac-10-Preview-MoMo-Jones-emerging-as-a-leader-?urn=ncaab-276059 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Pac-10-Preview-MoMo-Jones-emerging-as-a-leader-?urn=ncaab-276059)
As the rest of his Arizona teammates prepared to celebrate New Year's eve in Los Angeles last year, backup point guard Lamont "MoMo" Jones was on the phone with his mom trying futilely to choke back tears.
The homesick Harlem native's bold decision to attend college all the way across the country no longer seemed like the right choice anymore. Not only was he struggling to make an impact on the court or mesh with teammates and coaches in the locker room, his poor attitude after logging just nine minutes that afternoon in a loss to USC had also led him to be suspended for Arizona's next game at UCLA.
"When the ball dropped, I was still on the phone with him because he wanted to come home so bad," Jones' mother, Jeneen Fuller, said. "He was crying. He was miserable. He just wanted to come home. I was actually scared for a minute because I really thought that was what he was going to do."
Now he sees the writing on the wall with Josiah Turner coming in to eat into his playing time and he's quitting again.
"What's that? Turner is going to be takin most of my minutes next year? I'm goin to Europe b!ithces!"
"What's that? I can start at SJU with a hardship? Uh...Grandma is sick!"
What a piece of work. ::)
ur 1st post and ur bashing the kid, he doesnt deserve that
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I'm not questioning his desire to get better, but I am questioning how Harrow fits into a team. The videos and stuff I have seen from an NC State fan's perspective has been that he's got a lot of maturing to do. And lets be honest, 99% of the videos and stuff out there on him is showing off his dunking ability, which as a PG, I could care less about. He can have all the potential in the world, but if you lack certain traits like leadership and unselfishness, then it won't translate. He has to be about winning, not his stats or his highlights.
Basically, I love Harrow's potential, but am worried that he's not on the right track to fulfill it. I am confident in our staff and the year off to help him get better and mature.
To me, Momo has a bit more of a NY type attitude and mentality, that could pay dividends right away for a young team trying to learn how to win next year.
If Momo though can't get the waiver, then I'd say Harrow has more upside.
So, what I see here is that you have made lots of assumptions about a guys makeup that you have no way at all of knowing about, and then, based on those assumptions (which were based on nothing), your conclude that Momo is the better fit. Everything in this previous post was about his makeup, ability to be a teammate, and you preface basically everything with "I feel like" or "based on what I heard" or "it seems as if", which are all just more or less admissions of ignorance on this specific topic. You know nothing about Harrow or Momo personally, so forgive me if I don't agree with your assessment of a players game because you feel like he is all about his highlights. Sorry if I come off as a jerk.
There are things one can guess at from others' accounts; hell, even coaches have to depend on the words of others. This is a message board, we all have opinions; be respectful of them. What do you see that makes you disagree with that assessment?
I go by the stats and by watching both players play; Momo - to me, I feel like he's Edgar Sosa. Which is good some games, less good other games. And Jones' passing rates/ assist numbers are not great for a lead guard. He's a short SG who isn't great at shooting (but doesn't turn the ball over, to his credit).
Harrow was a rough watch last year, though the whole team looked disconnected; he can pass but he couldn't convert and obviously needed more strength. All the dunking in the world is great when a player has an open lane, but how's he going to convert when there isn't one? That's a real issue. Anyone who follows NC State will tell you that Harrow seemed like he needed to mature - sensitive, even complaining about criticism.
I see why you went off on SJUHoopNut, but respectfully - there's a lot that he said that has already permeated discussions of both players.
Didn't mean to "go off" on him. I just thought it was silly that he dismisses a wildly talented kid based on personal things/rumors about the guy that he couldn't possibly know the validity of. He was a top 30 or 40 player in his class if I remember correctly, and has all the talent in the world. That, along with our apparent interest is enough to make me feel comfortable about this kid. I would imagine that he (SJnut) doesn't have a personal relationship with Ryan Harrow, so questioning his leadership (as a freshman) or calling him selfish just seems disingenuous. I don't even have a preference of Harrow or Momo, all I know is I trust anything our staff decides to do right now.
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Wow, the Momo thread has really taken on a life of its own. And yes, it has all the makings of a soap opera, rather than a pure recruitment of a player.
We all seem to be dealing with 99% conjecture and rumors, and 1% fact, or something like that. But hey, that is what websites like JJ are all about. Who do you want Momo or Ryan, or neither? Will Momo get approval from the NCAA to play in 2011? What would gaining either Ryan or Momo mean to us for recruiting Kyle, Ricardo and Jevon? This is all good stuff and makes for enjoyable reading during the non-playing season.
I do not know whether Momo or Ryan want to really come to St. John's or which would better serve us. We have so many more knowledgeable basketball folks on this site who have already expressed their opinions.
I do not think the NCAA will grant Momo an exception to the sit out rule based on the little bit of his personal history discussed on this site. I also do not think he will want to sit out a year based on his prior history. He is a player and not a sitter.
So my focus is on the numbers and the near future. What would the signing of either Momo or Ryan do to our recruiting of Jevon, Ricardo and Kyle? One of these three players probably would have to be dropped from our recruitment. Quite frankly, if I was Coach and had a choice of either signing Momo or Ryan now, or getting Jevon, Ricardo and Kyle, I would go for the latter threesome.
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FWIW Rivals had Momo at 68 and a PG. Scout had him as the 34th ranked SG, not in their top 100, not did Coleman or Telep. Gibbons and Brick had him in the 50's. He was the RSCI conensus #84 recruit of his class.
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The only thing that would make MoMo a very important pickup is if Nuri wasn't on track to be here this coming year due to schoolwork issues. I know he needs summer classes to fulfill all his coursework. Hopefully he is doing so.
Totally agree. Nuri brings the experience while still allowing enough PT for the new recruits to gain the valuable experience they will need for 2012. I like the idea of the new kids getting maximum PT even if it costs us a game or two this season. If Nuri and MoMo are both here in 2011 they will both be getting major minutes possibly at the expense of Harrison or Greene. If Jevon is going to be eligible for 2012 we'll be in good shape.
????? Nuri has played one season of organized ball in thelast 3 years. He didn't play his senior year of high school, didn't play the following year at the JC (thats why he has 3 years eligibility remaining). He has the LEAST experience of any of our newcomers. Over that same period Momo led Oak Hill to a 44-1 record as a High School Senior, then played 34 games as a backkup PG as a freshman, then led Arizona to a #9 ranking in D-1 and an Elite 8....
crgreen, if eligible this season-think he starts ?
Kid Quarterbacked Arizona to a Pac 10 Chamionship (14-4), a national top 10 ranking (#9 AP), and the Elite 8 in the NCAA tourney where they were eliminated by TWO pts to the eventual national champion. He was the teams 2nd leading scorer and 2nd in minutes played (2nd to a guy who got a couple National Player of the Year awards). All as a SOPHMORE. Yeah, if he's here and eligible, Steve Lavin will start him.
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The only thing that would make MoMo a very important pickup is if Nuri wasn't on track to be here this coming year due to schoolwork issues. I know he needs summer classes to fulfill all his coursework. Hopefully he is doing so.
Totally agree. Nuri brings the experience while still allowing enough PT for the new recruits to gain the valuable experience they will need for 2012. I like the idea of the new kids getting maximum PT even if it costs us a game or two this season. If Nuri and MoMo are both here in 2011 they will both be getting major minutes possibly at the expense of Harrison or Greene. If Jevon is going to be eligible for 2012 we'll be in good shape.
????? Nuri has played one season of organized ball in thelast 3 years. He didn't play his senior year of high school, didn't play the following year at the JC (thats why he has 3 years eligibility remaining). He has the LEAST experience of any of our newcomers. Over that same period Momo led Oak Hill to a 44-1 record as a High School Senior, then played 34 games as a backkup PG as a freshman, then led Arizona to a #9 ranking in D-1 and an Elite 8....
crgreen, if eligible this season-think he starts ?
Kid Quarterbacked Arizona to a Pac 10 Chamionship (14-4), a national top 10 ranking (#9 AP), and the Elite 8 in the NCAA tourney where they were eliminated by TWO pts to the eventual national champion. He was the teams 2nd leading scorer and 2nd in minutes played (2nd to a guy who got a couple National Player of the Year awards). All as a SOPHMORE. Yeah, if he's here and eligible, Steve Lavin will start him.
Respectfully I have to disagree. Calling anyone beside Derrick Williams the player who quarterbacked them is borderline insane.
Also adding more talent doesn't necessarily translate into better results. Momo is a gunner on a team that has Nuri & Harrison. I'm not sure how I see adding the same style of player benefits the roster other than depth and too much depth could develop into unhappy depth.
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Have to agree with Dave on this one CR Green.
Momo just does not make me all warm and fuzzy.
If he had 4.5 assists next to his name I would feel very different but such is clearly not the case and he has a rep as a gunner.
IMHO in order for the team to do well next season Nuri and Harrison have to be double digit scorers and Polee, Mo, Sir Dom, Jakaar, GG, Amir and Phil G must each average between 5-8 points a game. We need a unselfish pg with a pass first shoot second mentality that will strive to get his teammates involved.
Without that we will encounter a very difficult season and may have a bunch of very unhappy wings.
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nrMax88,
If you need a personal relationship to comment on a kid, then this message board wouldn't exist. 99.9% of the posters here don't know the kids personally. So it's kind of a silly to say that. Didn't know that was a prerequisite to post. Did I have to have a relationship with Willie Shaw to know that the kid underachieved? That he had all the talent in the world, but squandered it?
I go by results on the court, by what NC State fans saw that watched him all year. Harrow came in as a 5 star recruit, and the results were far from impressive, both for his team and himself. And that is fine, not every 5 star recruit is going to shine right away like Brandon Knight. But check around the country, plenty of freshmen PG's had much more productive seasons than Harrow. (Kendall Marshall, even Shabazz Napier). NC State was a mess last year, and Harrow was part of it. So why does he get absolved? Kid has a lot of talent, no one should be giving up on him, but so far what has he shown?
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nrMax88,
If you need a personal relationship to comment on a kid, then this message board wouldn't exist. 99.9% of the posters here don't know the kids personally. So it's kind of a silly to say that. Didn't know that was a prerequisite to post. Did I have to have a relationship with Willie Shaw to know that the kid underachieved? That he had all the talent in the world, but squandered it?
I go by results on the court, by what NC State fans saw that watched him all year. Harrow came in as a 5 star recruit, and the results were far from impressive, both for his team and himself. And that is fine, not every 5 star recruit is going to shine right away like Brandon Knight. But check around the country, plenty of freshmen PG's had much more productive seasons than Harrow. (Kendall Marshall, even Shabazz Napier). NC State was a mess last year, and Harrow was part of it. So why does he get absolved? Kid has a lot of talent, no one should be giving up on him, but so far what has he shown?
Results far from impressive? 9.3ppg 3.3apg as a freshman. 7th in the ACC in A/TO ratio and best in ACC FT% and his scoring was double digits before he had a lengthy illness. I think those are more than solid numbers for a lanky freshman who got ill mid-season.
If you go by results, Napier's numbers were not as good as Harrow's. Napier averaged 7.8ppg 3.0apg. Kendall Marshal 6.2ppg 6.2apg. Yes he had some lofts assist numbers but not much scoring. I don't see it as unequivocally better than Harrow if you look at the numbers, and once again Harrow was ill for a good stretch and it took him a while to recover.
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Boy, have things changed at St. John's. A year ago we would have died to have Momo or Ryan join our team.
Both seem to be very decent players. As some one just posted, they would add to our depth. But!
Waiting a year for either bothers me. I doubt Mom will get his NCAA release based on the vagueness of the reason and his transfer history.
I would rather focus on Jevon, Ricardo and Kyle for next year. Coach has already proved he can attract players when he wants. So if we need a player in a specific skills area, I am confident that he can recruit that player whether it be direct from high school or via JC.
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Boy, have things changed at St. John's. A year ago we would have died to have Momo or Ryan join our team.
Both seem to be very decent players. As some one just posted, they would add to our depth. But!
Waiting a year for either bothers me. I doubt Mom will get his NCAA release based on the vagueness of the reason and his transfer history.
I would rather focus on Jevon, Ricardo and Kyle for next year. Coach has already proved he can attract players when he wants. So if we need a player in a specific skills area, I am confident that he can recruit that player whether it be direct from high school or via JC.
Agree 100% - as I said in another post, I want Momo IF he's eligible this year. If not, not so much. Seems like fans on this site are thinking "down the road" with the Momo would hurt the development of the frosh guards. But I've followed Steve Lavin for more than 20 years - he's thinking about winning NOW. Making the Tourney NOW. Making a run in the Tourney NOW. Momo's experience in the lineup could mean 2 or 3 extra wins in conference, AND 2 or three extra wins in postseason. But if he has to wait a year, then Nuri and Harrison and Dom all have 32-38 games of D-1 experience, Stith will still be here, and Jevon will be arriving as a frosh - so yes, then Momo might be redundant. But Steve Lavin has always been a "win now" guy - and I'm guessing the Cancer scare has probably reinforced that (as did his last year at UCLA) - win now, cause there's no gauarantee there will BE a "next year"....(by the way, Steve DID try to bring in a transfer guard that 2003 season - realizing he had only the very inexperienced Ced Bozeman at the Point. Unfortunately, UNC transfer Brian Morrison had to sit out a transfer year that season, and when Ced went down with an injury Steve had to turn to what should have been his 3rd string PG - Ryan Walcott. Kid did his best - he was a decent backup pg, but as you all know, that team went 10-18)....
Stith is a nice 3rd string pg - and you need those on successful teams. Usually once or twice a season they have to step up big (injuries and foul trouble, etc) - a kid like Stith has shown he can do that. But we really have NO meaaningful backcourt experience on this team. And to win THIS year, we'll need that. I don't understand the comments about Momo in some of the posts above "I'd feel different if he had 4 or 5 assists" - Guys, he WAS Arizonas PG. He 2nd on the team in minutes at 26 game. He WAS their 2nd leading scorer. His team DID go to the Elite 8. His team DID win the Conference Championship. His team DID finish ranked #9 in the country. Even tho I'm a stats guy at heart, I have to look at the team. This is a Sean Miller coached team. Remember when his Xavier team went 28-7 and reached the Sweet 16 three years ago? Dante Jackson was their leading assist guy. He averaged 2.7 (96 in 35 games). In 2006, leading assist guy was Stanley Burrell - he got 3.2 (105 in 32 games). The only reasonably high assist guy Sean's every coached was when Drew Lavender TRANSFERRED IN - he got 164 assists in 34 games for Xavier - 4.8 per game and they got to the Elite 8. BUT he transfered in after starting for Oklahoma as a Sophmore. Where he played 28mins a game. and averagd 9 pts and 2.9 assists. Sound familiar?
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good post cgreen. I agree. If he comes, i want him for this year. However, i won't lose sleep if he decides to go elsewhere. Lavin , in one short year, has put us in a position where i have a " whatever" attitude about a player of Momo Jones' talent. Amazing!
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The only thing that would make MoMo a very important pickup is if Nuri wasn't on track to be here this coming year due to schoolwork issues. I know he needs summer classes to fulfill all his coursework. Hopefully he is doing so.
Totally agree. Nuri brings the experience while still allowing enough PT for the new recruits to gain the valuable experience they will need for 2012. I like the idea of the new kids getting maximum PT even if it costs us a game or two this season. If Nuri and MoMo are both here in 2011 they will both be getting major minutes possibly at the expense of Harrison or Greene. If Jevon is going to be eligible for 2012 we'll be in good shape.
????? Nuri has played one season of organized ball in thelast 3 years. He didn't play his senior year of high school, didn't play the following year at the JC (thats why he has 3 years eligibility remaining). He has the LEAST experience of any of our newcomers. Over that same period Momo led Oak Hill to a 44-1 record as a High School Senior, then played 34 games as a backkup PG as a freshman, then led Arizona to a #9 ranking in D-1 and an Elite 8....
I find his statement puzzling as well. Nuri's competition was far inferior than many of our high school recruits. QEA and Brewster would beat Nuri's team by 20.
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So quiet now. What's the latest on this one-time commit?
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If he really did look into Europe, and had someone help him not on a pro bono basis, it could be an eligibility issue. One that state schools are more willing to overlook, but that schools lioke sju and the hall are not
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Boy, have things changed at St. John's. A year ago we would have died to have Momo or Ryan join our team.
Both seem to be very decent players. As some one just posted, they would add to our depth. But!
Waiting a year for either bothers me. I doubt Mom will get his NCAA release based on the vagueness of the reason and his transfer history.
I would rather focus on Jevon, Ricardo and Kyle for next year. Coach has already proved he can attract players when he wants. So if we need a player in a specific skills area, I am confident that he can recruit that player whether it be direct from high school or via JC.
Agree 100% - as I said in another post, I want Momo IF he's eligible this year. If not, not so much. Seems like fans on this site are thinking "down the road" with the Momo would hurt the development of the frosh guards. But I've followed Steve Lavin for more than 20 years - he's thinking about winning NOW. Making the Tourney NOW. Making a run in the Tourney NOW. Momo's experience in the lineup could mean 2 or 3 extra wins in conference, AND 2 or three extra wins in postseason. But if he has to wait a year, then Nuri and Harrison and Dom all have 32-38 games of D-1 experience, Stith will still be here, and Jevon will be arriving as a frosh - so yes, then Momo might be redundant. But Steve Lavin has always been a "win now" guy - and I'm guessing the Cancer scare has probably reinforced that (as did his last year at UCLA) - win now, cause there's no gauarantee there will BE a "next year"....(by the way, Steve DID try to bring in a transfer guard that 2003 season - realizing he had only the very inexperienced Ced Bozeman at the Point. Unfortunately, UNC transfer Brian Morrison had to sit out a transfer year that season, and when Ced went down with an injury Steve had to turn to what should have been his 3rd string PG - Ryan Walcott. Kid did his best - he was a decent backup pg, but as you all know, that team went 10-18)....
Stith is a nice 3rd string pg - and you need those on successful teams. Usually once or twice a season they have to step up big (injuries and foul trouble, etc) - a kid like Stith has shown he can do that. But we really have NO meaaningful backcourt experience on this team. And to win THIS year, we'll need that. I don't understand the comments about Momo in some of the posts above "I'd feel different if he had 4 or 5 assists" - Guys, he WAS Arizonas PG. He 2nd on the team in minutes at 26 game. He WAS their 2nd leading scorer. His team DID go to the Elite 8. His team DID win the Conference Championship. His team DID finish ranked #9 in the country. Even tho I'm a stats guy at heart, I have to look at the team. This is a Sean Miller coached team. Remember when his Xavier team went 28-7 and reached the Sweet 16 three years ago? Dante Jackson was their leading assist guy. He averaged 2.7 (96 in 35 games). In 2006, leading assist guy was Stanley Burrell - he got 3.2 (105 in 32 games). The only reasonably high assist guy Sean's every coached was when Drew Lavender TRANSFERRED IN - he got 164 assists in 34 games for Xavier - 4.8 per game and they got to the Elite 8. BUT he transfered in after starting for Oklahoma as a Sophmore. Where he played 28mins a game. and averagd 9 pts and 2.9 assists. Sound familiar?
OUTSTANDING post. i'm with you. this kid could really help. i just don't see the ncaa giving out a waiver. not for momo and not for a new york school.
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The problem is that we won't know if he gets a waiver until we take him. Not worth the risk it seems...
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The problem is that we won't know if he gets a waiver until we take him. Not worth the risk it seems...
If newsie's right and he'll head to Europe without the waiver then I'd be in favor of taking the risk. Also with DP Jr gone there is a little more room to play with.
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Boy, have things changed at St. John's. A year ago we would have died to have Momo or Ryan join our team.
Both seem to be very decent players. As some one just posted, they would add to our depth. But!
Waiting a year for either bothers me. I doubt Mom will get his NCAA release based on the vagueness of the reason and his transfer history.
I would rather focus on Jevon, Ricardo and Kyle for next year. Coach has already proved he can attract players when he wants. So if we need a player in a specific skills area, I am confident that he can recruit that player whether it be direct from high school or via JC.
Agree 100% - as I said in another post, I want Momo IF he's eligible this year. If not, not so much. Seems like fans on this site are thinking "down the road" with the Momo would hurt the development of the frosh guards. But I've followed Steve Lavin for more than 20 years - he's thinking about winning NOW. Making the Tourney NOW. Making a run in the Tourney NOW. Momo's experience in the lineup could mean 2 or 3 extra wins in conference, AND 2 or three extra wins in postseason. But if he has to wait a year, then Nuri and Harrison and Dom all have 32-38 games of D-1 experience, Stith will still be here, and Jevon will be arriving as a frosh - so yes, then Momo might be redundant. But Steve Lavin has always been a "win now" guy - and I'm guessing the Cancer scare has probably reinforced that (as did his last year at UCLA) - win now, cause there's no gauarantee there will BE a "next year"....(by the way, Steve DID try to bring in a transfer guard that 2003 season - realizing he had only the very inexperienced Ced Bozeman at the Point. Unfortunately, UNC transfer Brian Morrison had to sit out a transfer year that season, and when Ced went down with an injury Steve had to turn to what should have been his 3rd string PG - Ryan Walcott. Kid did his best - he was a decent backup pg, but as you all know, that team went 10-18)....
Stith is a nice 3rd string pg - and you need those on successful teams. Usually once or twice a season they have to step up big (injuries and foul trouble, etc) - a kid like Stith has shown he can do that. But we really have NO meaaningful backcourt experience on this team. And to win THIS year, we'll need that. I don't understand the comments about Momo in some of the posts above "I'd feel different if he had 4 or 5 assists" - Guys, he WAS Arizonas PG. He 2nd on the team in minutes at 26 game. He WAS their 2nd leading scorer. His team DID go to the Elite 8. His team DID win the Conference Championship. His team DID finish ranked #9 in the country. Even tho I'm a stats guy at heart, I have to look at the team. This is a Sean Miller coached team. Remember when his Xavier team went 28-7 and reached the Sweet 16 three years ago? Dante Jackson was their leading assist guy. He averaged 2.7 (96 in 35 games). In 2006, leading assist guy was Stanley Burrell - he got 3.2 (105 in 32 games). The only reasonably high assist guy Sean's every coached was when Drew Lavender TRANSFERRED IN - he got 164 assists in 34 games for Xavier - 4.8 per game and they got to the Elite 8. BUT he transfered in after starting for Oklahoma as a Sophmore. Where he played 28mins a game. and averagd 9 pts and 2.9 assists. Sound familiar?
So CR- If that's the case about Miller, that can't bode too well for Josiah Turner, can it? Is it just Miller's offense doesn't allow for a stat sheet stuffing PG or has he just never had the player on that level?
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Boy, have things changed at St. John's. A year ago we would have died to have Momo or Ryan join our team.
Both seem to be very decent players. As some one just posted, they would add to our depth. But!
Waiting a year for either bothers me. I doubt Mom will get his NCAA release based on the vagueness of the reason and his transfer history.
I would rather focus on Jevon, Ricardo and Kyle for next year. Coach has already proved he can attract players when he wants. So if we need a player in a specific skills area, I am confident that he can recruit that player whether it be direct from high school or via JC.
Agree 100% - as I said in another post, I want Momo IF he's eligible this year. If not, not so much. Seems like fans on this site are thinking "down the road" with the Momo would hurt the development of the frosh guards. But I've followed Steve Lavin for more than 20 years - he's thinking about winning NOW. Making the Tourney NOW. Making a run in the Tourney NOW. Momo's experience in the lineup could mean 2 or 3 extra wins in conference, AND 2 or three extra wins in postseason. But if he has to wait a year, then Nuri and Harrison and Dom all have 32-38 games of D-1 experience, Stith will still be here, and Jevon will be arriving as a frosh - so yes, then Momo might be redundant. But Steve Lavin has always been a "win now" guy - and I'm guessing the Cancer scare has probably reinforced that (as did his last year at UCLA) - win now, cause there's no gauarantee there will BE a "next year"....(by the way, Steve DID try to bring in a transfer guard that 2003 season - realizing he had only the very inexperienced Ced Bozeman at the Point. Unfortunately, UNC transfer Brian Morrison had to sit out a transfer year that season, and when Ced went down with an injury Steve had to turn to what should have been his 3rd string PG - Ryan Walcott. Kid did his best - he was a decent backup pg, but as you all know, that team went 10-18)....
Stith is a nice 3rd string pg - and you need those on successful teams. Usually once or twice a season they have to step up big (injuries and foul trouble, etc) - a kid like Stith has shown he can do that. But we really have NO meaaningful backcourt experience on this team. And to win THIS year, we'll need that. I don't understand the comments about Momo in some of the posts above "I'd feel different if he had 4 or 5 assists" - Guys, he WAS Arizonas PG. He 2nd on the team in minutes at 26 game. He WAS their 2nd leading scorer. His team DID go to the Elite 8. His team DID win the Conference Championship. His team DID finish ranked #9 in the country. Even tho I'm a stats guy at heart, I have to look at the team. This is a Sean Miller coached team. Remember when his Xavier team went 28-7 and reached the Sweet 16 three years ago? Dante Jackson was their leading assist guy. He averaged 2.7 (96 in 35 games). In 2006, leading assist guy was Stanley Burrell - he got 3.2 (105 in 32 games). The only reasonably high assist guy Sean's every coached was when Drew Lavender TRANSFERRED IN - he got 164 assists in 34 games for Xavier - 4.8 per game and they got to the Elite 8. BUT he transfered in after starting for Oklahoma as a Sophmore. Where he played 28mins a game. and averagd 9 pts and 2.9 assists. Sound familiar?
So CR- If that's the case about Miller, that can't bode too well for Josiah Turner, can it? Is it just Miller's offense doesn't allow for a stat sheet stuffing PG or has he just never had the player on that level?
Sean Miller does like his PGs (and wings) to attack off the dribble; and I don't think he's had a passer as talented as Turner's supposed to be. You do bring up a good question about Miller's offense for sure.
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CR-Fair points and I have said he might be worth the risk if they can get the waiver but again that is a big IF.
But forget the numbers, let us not forget by most accounts he is not the most coachable kid. You have to consider that.
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CR-Fair points and I have said he might be worth the risk if they can get the waiver but again that is a big IF.
But forget the numbers, let us not forget by most accounts he is not the most coachable kid. You have to consider that.
I'll bite. What accounts? All I've heard is speculation from posters tying the fact that he went to numerous HS's and he hoists up a lot of shots for a PG. Has he ever been disciplined at all or publically reprimanded for something?
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CR-Fair points and I have said he might be worth the risk if they can get the waiver but again that is a big IF.
But forget the numbers, let us not forget by most accounts he is not the most coachable kid. You have to consider that.
I'll bite. What accounts? All I've heard is speculation from posters tying the fact that he went to numerous HS's and he hoists up a lot of shots for a PG. Has he ever been disciplined at all or publically reprimanded for something?
He had a number of run-ins this year with Miller. Even Book had issues with him. Most accounts might have been too strong a phrase but he is no boy scout.
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CR-Fair points and I have said he might be worth the risk if they can get the waiver but again that is a big IF.
But forget the numbers, let us not forget by most accounts he is not the most coachable kid. You have to consider that.
I'll bite. What accounts? All I've heard is speculation from posters tying the fact that he went to numerous HS's and he hoists up a lot of shots for a PG. Has he ever been disciplined at all or publically reprimanded for something?
He had a number of run-ins this year with Miller. Even Book had issues with him. Most accounts might have been too strong a phrase but he is no boy scout.
Wasn't aware of those issues. Thanks. I'd love to find out more about them. I'm sure staff is doing its due diligence.
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Lenn Robbins has another article in the Post about Momo. This time, Robbins sites as a "hitch" to SJU recruiting Jones the NCAA rule 11.4.2, which provides that:
"a college that employs employs an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete in any athletics department non-coaching staff position can't recruit that player for two years.
It has become a controversial rule, because if St. John's had hired Hicks as an assistant coach, it could recruit Jones. Even if Hicks accepts a job at another school, the two-year clause remains in effect."
I'm confused (doesn't take much, but still). Does this explain why Jones didn't hear from Lavin's crew soon after Momo announced his decision to transfer? Can Lavin & Co. effectively do anything with Momo without violating this rule?
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL#ixzz1NGrFVV9r (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL#ixzz1NGrFVV9r)
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL)
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Lenn Robbins has another article in the Post about Momo. This time, Robbins sites as a "hitch" to SJU recruiting Jones the NCAA rule 11.4.2, which provides that:
"a college that employs employs an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete in any athletics department non-coaching staff position can't recruit that player for two years.
It has become a controversial rule, because if St. John's had hired Hicks as an assistant coach, it could recruit Jones. Even if Hicks accepts a job at another school, the two-year clause remains in effect."
I'm confused (doesn't take much, but still). Does this explain why Jones didn't hear from Lavin's crew soon after Momo announced his decision to transfer? Can Lavin & Co. effectively do anything with Momo without violating this rule?
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL#ixzz1NGrFVV9r (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL#ixzz1NGrFVV9r)
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL)
Did not even think of this because we always think of this rule as applying to incoming prep recruits(like jermaine Sanders and Kadeem Jack). But apparently it impacts transfers too.
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Lenn Robbins has another article in the Post about Momo. This time, Robbins sites as a "hitch" to SJU recruiting Jones the NCAA rule 11.4.2, which provides that:
"a college that employs employs an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete in any athletics department non-coaching staff position can't recruit that player for two years.
It has become a controversial rule, because if St. John's had hired Hicks as an assistant coach, it could recruit Jones. Even if Hicks accepts a job at another school, the two-year clause remains in effect."
I'm confused (doesn't take much, but still). Does this explain why Jones didn't hear from Lavin's crew soon after Momo announced his decision to transfer? Can Lavin & Co. effectively do anything with Momo without violating this rule?
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL#ixzz1NGrFVV9r (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL#ixzz1NGrFVV9r)
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL)
Did not even think of this because we always think of this rule as applying to incoming prep recruits(like jermaine Sanders and Kadeem Jack). But apparently it impacts transfers too.
I can't see how it impacts transfers and also how it can impact in a situation where we changed staffs. So Lavin and Hicks weren't part of the 2009 class. I understand how it pertains to Jack and Sanders but this one I'm not following the logic. This has to be a first with this rule. I don't think this was the intention of the rule.
What if he sat out? Would that eliminate the problem?
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Lenn Robbins has another article in the Post about Momo. This time, Robbins sites as a "hitch" to SJU recruiting Jones the NCAA rule 11.4.2, which provides that:
"a college that employs employs an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete in any athletics department non-coaching staff position can't recruit that player for two years.
It has become a controversial rule, because if St. John's had hired Hicks as an assistant coach, it could recruit Jones. Even if Hicks accepts a job at another school, the two-year clause remains in effect."
I'm confused (doesn't take much, but still). Does this explain why Jones didn't hear from Lavin's crew soon after Momo announced his decision to transfer? Can Lavin & Co. effectively do anything with Momo without violating this rule?
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL#ixzz1NGrFVV9r (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL#ixzz1NGrFVV9r)
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/momo_on_move_PAZFHDMsyA5GxeTEq38qqL)
Did not even think of this because we always think of this rule as applying to incoming prep recruits(like jermaine Sanders and Kadeem Jack). But apparently it impacts transfers too.
I can't see how it impacts transfers and also how it can impact in a situation where we changed staffs. So Lavin and Hicks weren't part of the 2009 class. I understand how it pertains to Jack and Sanders but this one I'm not following the logic. This has to be a first with this rule. I don't think this was the intention of the rule.
What if he sat out? Would that eliminate the problem?
I don't think it even matters since I think by 2011 the 2 year window expired.
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Looks like Jones is out as an option. The rule is when Hicks was hired. So it is 2 years removed from 2010 not 2009 when Jones became a collegiate player.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/24/ncaa-rule-says-jones-cant-enroll-at-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/24/ncaa-rule-says-jones-cant-enroll-at-st-johns/)
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I can't see how it impacts transfers and also how it can impact in a situation where we changed staffs. So Lavin and Hicks weren't part of the 2009 class. I understand how it pertains to Jack and Sanders but this one I'm not following the logic. This has to be a first with this rule. I don't think this was the intention of the rule.
What if he sat out? Would that eliminate the problem?
If St. John's really wanted him, they'd challenge this. Momo's been in school for 2 years. Moe Hicks was involved with Momo Jones MORE than 2 years ago - didn't Momo graduate from American Christian? He wasn't a Rice Raider his senior year. I don't know if the staff is throwing that out there to make it seem that they can't bring in Momo b/c they don't want him, or if Lenn is interpreting their coldness and then using the rule to possibly justify it.
But I'd love to hear from someone in the NCAA if there would be any restriction to bringing in a player like this. There shouldn't be. I see why it applies to transfers, but again - it's been 2 years. Almost 2 since Jones graduated HS and more than 2 since he was associated with Hicks.
I call bull.
Looks like Jones is out as an option. The rule is when Hicks was hired. So it is 2 years removed from 2010 not 2009 when Jones became a collegiate player.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/24/ncaa-rule-says-jones-cant-enroll-at-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/24/ncaa-rule-says-jones-cant-enroll-at-st-johns/)
Ok, addendum: I think the rule is challengeable, and if St. John's wanted him, they would try. Also love the digs that Zags gets in at Lenny and Jeff Goodman (the "blindly concurred" one).
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I think you are on to something.
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Anyone have a link to this rule? Seems odd to me that Jones couldn't come here b/c Hicks coached him four years ago.
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I really do believe that if the staff wanted him this rule would not apply.
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Anyone have a link to this rule? Seems odd to me that Jones couldn't come here b/c Hicks coached him four years ago.
Yeah I guess the association between player and coach has no time limit. But the association between the coach and the school is what matters in terms of the 2 year limit. And the clock starts when Hicks starts not when Momo enrolls at Arizona.
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Anyone have a link to this rule? Seems odd to me that Jones couldn't come here b/c Hicks coached him four years ago.
Yeah I guess the association between player and coach has no time limit. But the association between the coach and the school is what matters in terms of the 2 year limit. And the clock starts when Hicks starts not when Momo enrolls at Arizona.
So because of the Momo saga, Harrow could very well have put SJU at the bottom of his short list, and suspiciously missed his scheduled visit (although I know he has been to the campus on "unofficial" visits before). Now it looks like we can't get Jones. If the coaching staff at SJU knew about this rule issue day one, why in the world didn't they announce it immediately so as not to chill the recruiting process with Harrow??? ???
At least Jevon will be happy.
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Anyone have a link to this rule? Seems odd to me that Jones couldn't come here b/c Hicks coached him four years ago.
Yeah I guess the association between player and coach has no time limit. But the association between the coach and the school is what matters in terms of the 2 year limit. And the clock starts when Hicks starts not when Momo enrolls at Arizona.
So because of the Momo saga, Harrow could very well have put SJU at the bottom of his short list, and suspiciously missed his scheduled visit (although I know he has been to the campus on "unofficial" visits before). Now it looks like we can't get Jones. If the coaching staff at SJU knew about this rule issue day one, why in the world didn't they announce it immediately so as not to chill the recruiting process with Harrow??? ???
At least Jevon will be happy.
I don't know if staff interpreted the rule to include MoMo. I'm no expert but like others have pointed out its been more than 2 yrs since him and Hicks were together and he went to another college and PLAYED 2 seasons there. Who knows. As I have said and will continue. As MoMo turns continues after this commercial break.
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The rule apparently applies to any association while in high school or prep school and AAU.
So in other words they cannot go back to say his 6th grade CYO team so to speak.
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Anyone w/a link to the rule?
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Anyone w/a link to the rule?
it goes over it a little bit in the mkras.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/24/ncaa-rule-says-jones-cant-enroll-at-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/24/ncaa-rule-says-jones-cant-enroll-at-st-johns/)
still think its ridiculous that the rule would be in affect even though momo hasnt been coached by mo hicks in over 3 years
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Interesting. When I brought this up about 10 pages ago we all thought it was a non starter and wouldn't apply. Guess it wasn't as moot a point as we all thought.
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Interesting. When I brought this up about 10 pages ago we all thought it was a non starter and wouldn't apply. Guess it wasn't as moot a point as we all thought.
Good call Yankcranker. Personally, I just didn't think the rule's application would take so long to be made public given the people involved at SJU and the circumstances and consequences of failing to publicly acknowledge it sooner.
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For some reason I can't quote people's posts - I read the Zags article, but he seems to be taking someone's word for it and hasn't read the rule itself. Would be interesting to see what the rule actually says.
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Anyone have a link to this rule? Seems odd to me that Jones couldn't come here b/c Hicks coached him four years ago.
Per the NCAA 2010-2011 Division 1 Manual
11.4 E MPLOY MEN T OF HIG H SCHOO L, PRE PARATORY SCHOO L,
or TWO -YE AR COLLEGE COACHES , OR OTHER IN DIVIDUALS
ASSO CIATED WI TH PROS PECTIVE STUDEN T-ATHLETES
11.4.1 High School, Preparatory School or Two-Year College Coach. An institution may not employ
a high school, preparatory school or two-year college coach who remains a coach in the same sport at the high
school, preparatory school or two-year college. This provision does not preclude employment of a high school,
preparatory school or two-year college coach in a different sport. Men’s and women’s teams in the same sport are
considered different sports for purposes of this legislation. Men’s and women’s teams in the same sport are considered
different sports even if an athlete from the opposite gender is playing on a high school, preparatory school or
two-year college men’s or women’s team, provided the team is classified as a separate team (as opposed to a “mixed”
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Personnel
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team) by the appropriate institution or the state high school, preparatory school or two-year college governing
body. (See Bylaw 13.12.2.2 for regulations relating to the employment of high school, preparatory school or twoyear
college coaches in institutional camps or clinics.) (Revised: 1/10/91, 3/16/07, 1/16/10)
11.4.1.1 Contract for Future Employment. An institution is permitted to enter into a contractual
agreement with a high school, preparatory school or two-year college coach for an employment opportunity
that begins with the next academic year, provided the employment contract with the member institution
is not contingent upon the enrollment of a prospective student-athlete and the coach does not begin any
coaching duties (e.g., recruiting, selection of coaching staff) for the member institution while remaining associated
with the high school, preparatory school or two-year college.
11.4.2 I ndividual Associated with a Prospective Student-Athlete—Men’s Basketball. In
men’s basketball, during a two-year period before a prospective student-athlete’s anticipated enrollment and
a two-year period after the prospective student-athlete’s actual enrollment, an institution shall not employ (or
enter into a contract for future employment with) an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete
in any athletics department noncoaching staff position. (Adopted: 1/16/10; a contract signed before 10/29/09 may
be honored)
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For some reason I can't quote people's posts - I read the Zags article, but he seems to be taking someone's word for it and hasn't read the rule itself. Would be interesting to see what the rule actually says.
The word he is taking is SJU and their compliance apparently. So they must have done some homework on this including the NCAA.
The key is not the 2 year rule the key is what defines association?
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Anyone w/a link to the rule?
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Ncaa Rules (http://www.scribd.com/doc/46523118/Ncaa-Rules#)
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Anyone w/a link to the rule?
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Ncaa Rules (http://www.scribd.com/doc/46523118/Ncaa-Rules#)
Anyone w/a link to the rule?
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Ncaa Rules (http://www.scribd.com/doc/46523118/Ncaa-Rules#)
Look up two posts ^
Or http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D111.pdf (http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D111.pdf)
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Reading the rule, looks like we're out, depending on what "associated with" means. To add, really bad drafting on the NCAA's part as they don't give any insight into what "associated with" means - arguably, we would be out if Hicks coached MoMo 15 years ago :idiot2:
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Dermon Player says that St. John's is basically out because of the rule...It sounds like Momo was coming to St. John's but can't now because of the rule:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/24/player-says-jones-to-st-johns-unlikely/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/24/player-says-jones-to-st-johns-unlikely/)
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Speaking of the rule, didn't Harkless have an association with the Gauchos and Hicks?
How was that handled per the rule assuming he played for them?
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If you really want MoMo, then make it easy - swap Moe and Rico for a year.
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Speaking of the rule, didn't Harkless have an association with the Gauchos and Hicks?
How was that handled per the rule assuming he played for them?
So says the Twitter. Hopefully Moe was nowhere near Moe and we stop talking about this before the NCAA comes in for a check. I don't think a couple of AAU games is really the spirit of the law but let's not tempt fate; the NCAA only knows to investigate some cases when people start writing about "hey, isn't this a violation?"
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Speaking of the rule, didn't Harkless have an association with the Gauchos and Hicks?
How was that handled per the rule assuming he played for them?
So says the Twitter. Hopefully Moe was nowhere near Moe and we stop talking about this before the NCAA comes in for a check. I don't think a couple of AAU games is really the spirit of the law but let's not tempt fate; the NCAA only knows to investigate some cases when people start writing about "hey, isn't this a violation?"
how...about...click...delete....
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Speaking of the rule, didn't Harkless have an association with the Gauchos and Hicks?
How was that handled per the rule assuming he played for them?
So says the Twitter. Hopefully Moe was nowhere near Moe and we stop talking about this before the NCAA comes in for a check. I don't think a couple of AAU games is really the spirit of the law but let's not tempt fate; the NCAA only knows to investigate some cases when people start writing about "hey, isn't this a violation?"
AAU is next to impossible to monitor. At least with HS there are records and stuff. Players change AAU teams like ppl change socks.
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Speaking of the rule, didn't Harkless have an association with the Gauchos and Hicks?
How was that handled per the rule assuming he played for them?
So says the Twitter. Hopefully Moe was nowhere near Moe and we stop talking about this before the NCAA comes in for a check. I don't think a couple of AAU games is really the spirit of the law but let's not tempt fate; the NCAA only knows to investigate some cases when people start writing about "hey, isn't this a violation?"
I am not worried about that. SJU does their homework and works with their compliance on everything. If there was any doubt SJU long since checked this out.
Moose has a point. Look at Jevon, he has played with something like 5 different AAU teams this spring at some point. What if Harkless played with the Gauchos 1 time while normally suiting up with the Panthers? Does the NCAA rule get enforced then?
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Terrible ruling. The kid hasn't been coached by hicks since 4 years ago and spent 2 of those years at college he should be allowed to attend ski. What did we hire hicks thinking this kid would eventually transfer? I bet at uconn or Kentucky this wouldn't be ruled.
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Zags has a story up now stating it's not done with quotes from his camp. I hope you are right because it would be a huge matzoh ball :)
Yep - it's a steel cage match! Lenn Robbins and Dave vs. Adam Zagoria!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/)
adam zagoria doesnt know anything
Still think so.
Want to bet he was talking to the staff this whole time and new not to jump the gun?
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Zags has a story up now stating it's not done with quotes from his camp. I hope you are right because it would be a huge matzoh ball :)
Yep - it's a steel cage match! Lenn Robbins and Dave vs. Adam Zagoria!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/)
adam zagoria doesnt know anything
Still think so.
Want to bet he was talking to the staff this whole time and new not to jump the gun?
I'd take that bet.
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I wonder if the staff reminded the NCAA of this rule? ;)
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Quite frankly, the NCAA has to rule on this.
I believe the original ruling was meant to impact kids in high school following their coaches or other involved personnel to certain colleges. Now we have a rising junior who has not had any interaction on the high school level with Coack Hicks for what 3+ years.
If Coach Lavin is still interested in Momo, he will ask the NCAA for a ruling. I would like to say the NCAA would agree with me, but we have all seen the NCAA go crazy at times.
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quite a conundrum. we are all assuming the NCAA is going to let him transfer without sitting out. what would the ruling be if he has to sit out as Mo's 2 years would be up before he is eligible. Is this allowable
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quite a conundrum. we are all assuming the NCAA is going to let him transfer without sitting out. what would the ruling be if he has to sit out as Mo's 2 years would be up before he is eligible. Is this allowable
He would be on scholarship while he sat out the year so it wouldn't be allowed.
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Zags has a story up now stating it's not done with quotes from his camp. I hope you are right because it would be a huge matzoh ball :)
Yep - it's a steel cage match! Lenn Robbins and Dave vs. Adam Zagoria!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/)
adam zagoria doesnt know anything
Still think so.
Want to bet he was talking to the staff this whole time and new not to jump the gun?
I'd take that bet.
I think you should be the last person saying these things.
But name your price. Then agree when you lose you have to not only pay the bet but apologize in person to the said blogger in front of witnesses on this board and then agree to shut your mouth at least as it concerns this issue.
Deal?
Oh and you will lose, trust me.
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Anyone have a link to this rule? Seems odd to me that Jones couldn't come here b/c Hicks coached him four years ago.
11.4.2 I ndividual Associated with a Prospective Student-Athlete—Men’s Basketball. In
men’s basketball, during a two-year period before a prospective student-athlete’s anticipated enrollment and
a two-year period after the prospective student-athlete’s actual enrollment, an institution shall not employ (or
enter into a contract for future employment with) an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete
in any athletics department noncoaching staff position. (Adopted: 1/16/10; a contract signed before 10/29/09 may
be honored)
I don't see any issues with MoMo transfering here next year according to the rule. The rule states that the association is during the 2 year period before a prospective athlete's enrollment. The clock didn't start once Hicks became a part of our coaching staff but rather once Hicks stopped coaching MoMo in HS. This condition has clearly been met. If MoMo does not come here, it wont be because of this rule, imo.
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Zags has a story up now stating it's not done with quotes from his camp. I hope you are right because it would be a huge matzoh ball :)
Yep - it's a steel cage match! Lenn Robbins and Dave vs. Adam Zagoria!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/)
adam zagoria doesnt know anything
Still think so.
Want to bet he was talking to the staff this whole time and new not to jump the gun?
I'd take that bet.
I think you should be the last person saying these things.
But name your price. Then agree when you lose you have to not only pay the bet but apologize in person to the said blogger in front of witnesses on this board and then agree to shut your mouth at least as it concerns this issue.
Deal?
Oh and you will lose, trust me.
Just to get the bet straight, you're saying Robbins didn't get his info from the staff, correct?
If so, you're on.
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Zags has a story up now stating it's not done with quotes from his camp. I hope you are right because it would be a huge matzoh ball :)
Yep - it's a steel cage match! Lenn Robbins and Dave vs. Adam Zagoria!
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/19/st-johns-uconn-potential-landing-spots-for-jones/)
adam zagoria doesnt know anything
Still think so.
Want to bet he was talking to the staff this whole time and new not to jump the gun?
I'd take that bet.
I think you should be the last person saying these things.
But name your price. Then agree when you lose you have to not only pay the bet but apologize in person to the said blogger in front of witnesses on this board and then agree to shut your mouth at least as it concerns this issue.
Deal?
Oh and you will lose, trust me.
Just to get the bet straight, you're saying Robbins didn't get his info from the staff, correct?
If so, you're on.
Of coure not. Don't make things up. I never accused Robbins of making things up or not having contacts. All I said was he jumped the gun. You and others criticized Zagoria first for not getting ahead of the story like JJ and Robbins did then you stated flatly he has NO contact with the staff. What would have looked better, reporting a commitment that never happened or reporting that something might happen but was not done and as it turned out it didn't happen? Doesn't he get credit for being right?
DO NOT PUT WORD IN MY MOUTH and make this about me.
I have been criticized for defending Robbins. Including being the first to get the Norm is out story.
Bottom line is Zags had direct contact with Momo's side and the SJU staff and neither of them were saying it was done. And as it turns out he was spot on.
Were you criticizing Lenn's contacts when he stated that SJU was pursuing Jamari Traylor when in fact Zags and others had reported he was no longer even considering SJU for weeks? It would seem Lenn should have known that, no? BTW-I never said Lenn had no contact with the SJU staff based on this, did you?
You owe the guy and apology. Don't make this about me.
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First off, the statement that most of us think Momo will not have to sit out a year is incorrect. I think more than 1/2 of us believe the NCAA will not grant Momo his exception.
I would not get too hung up on betting one way or the other, nor on which source was right or wrong.
Obviously, the earlier declaration that Momo was in our camp was not accurate. So no body in the media probaby knows what will come next.
The Momo soap opera continues!
I believe when the dust clears, and if St. John's pursues the issue, we will be able to recruit Momo. The NCAA rule, even with all of its wording, is way to vague, especially as it relates to someone on Momo's situation.
However, there may be too much baggage for Coach Lavin to continue with this recruitment. Remember, as far as the sit out exception ruling, the NCAA generally does not move quickly on any thing.
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Anyone have a link to this rule? Seems odd to me that Jones couldn't come here b/c Hicks coached him four years ago.
11.4.2 I ndividual Associated with a Prospective Student-Athlete—Men’s Basketball. In
men’s basketball, during a two-year period before a prospective student-athlete’s anticipated enrollment and
a two-year period after the prospective student-athlete’s actual enrollment, an institution shall not employ (or
enter into a contract for future employment with) an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete
in any athletics department noncoaching staff position. (Adopted: 1/16/10; a contract signed before 10/29/09 may
be honored)
I don't see any issues with MoMo transfering here next year according to the rule. The rule states that the association is during the 2 year period before a prospective athlete's enrollment. The clock didn't start once Hicks became a part of our coaching staff but rather once Hicks stopped coaching MoMo in HS. This condition has clearly been met. If MoMo does not come here, it wont be because of this rule, imo.
The rule is not saying the association had to be within a 2 year period. The rule says you can not hire someone that is associated with a recruit for 2 years before or 2 years after the actual date the recruit would enroll not when the association stopped. Anyone Hicks was associated with could not be offered a scholarship for anyone entering school this year. Class of 2012 athletes (that will enroll in September 2012) will not have to deal with this rule with regards to Hicks.
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Anyone have a link to this rule? Seems odd to me that Jones couldn't come here b/c Hicks coached him four years ago.
11.4.2 I ndividual Associated with a Prospective Student-Athlete—Men’s Basketball. In
men’s basketball, during a two-year period before a prospective student-athlete’s anticipated enrollment and
a two-year period after the prospective student-athlete’s actual enrollment, an institution shall not employ (or
enter into a contract for future employment with) an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete
in any athletics department noncoaching staff position. (Adopted: 1/16/10; a contract signed before 10/29/09 may
be honored)
I don't see any issues with MoMo transfering here next year according to the rule. The rule states that the association is during the 2 year period before a prospective athlete's enrollment. The clock didn't start once Hicks became a part of our coaching staff but rather once Hicks stopped coaching MoMo in HS. This condition has clearly been met. If MoMo does not come here, it wont be because of this rule, imo.
The rule is not saying the association had to be within a 2 year period. The rule says you can not hire someone that is associated with a recruit for 2 years before or 2 years after the actual date the recruit would enroll not when the association stopped. Anyone Hicks was associated with could not be offered a scholarship for anyone entering school this year. Class of 2012 athletes (that will enroll in September 2012) will not have to deal with this rule with regards to Hicks.
Thanks for the clarifacation. I understand why the rule exists, although I find it odd that it does not apply to the coaching staff.
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Thanks for the clarifacation. I understand why the rule exists, although I find it odd that it does not apply to the coaching staff.
Perhaps it relates to the serious intent of the school to hire the coach. An assistant position, at a Division 1 school is probably a highly sort after job, and is not given out without serious qualifications. Offering a job as head video technician, or any other "created" position, really allows schools to make up a bogus positions, just to hire a coach and perhaps get a commitment from a desired prospect.
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dR3w is correct. Rules state only 3 assistant coaches and the limits on everyone else's ability to coach and recruit are clearly stated in the rules as well. The assumption was that no coach would risk having 33% of their primary staff of coaches/recruiters brought down for just one kid. But the balance of the staff can be as large as you want.
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Anyone worried about the fact that Dermon Player is advising him?
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Anyone worried about the fact that Dermon Player is advising him?
I'm worried for Momo's career, maybe.
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Anyone else get a feeling Momo to Iona?
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It's not a bad idea.
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Title IX. Proposition 48. Scholarship limits. Partial qualifiers.
Over the past 40 years, the implementation of those legislations changed the landscape of college basketball.
Now there is another piece of legislation that will soon be part of the college sports lexicon -- NCAA bylaw 11.4.2.
The rule, which went into effect in 2010, states a college that employs an individual associated with a prospective student-athlete in any athletics department in a non-coaching staff position can't recruit that player for two years.
Like many rules imposed by the governing body for intercollegiate sports, it was well-intended. College basketball programs from coast to coast were hiring a high school and/or AAU coach for a non-coaching position and voila, that coach's star player just happened to sign with that college.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/mo_mo_hitches_arise_in_recruiting_UTkvGKa2QRhG366BxAGfnK#ixzz1NeMtSew6 (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/mo_mo_hitches_arise_in_recruiting_UTkvGKa2QRhG366BxAGfnK#ixzz1NeMtSew6)
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So if Jones is recruited now and redshirts, wouldn't this not be a problem? I'm guessing he doesn't want to do that. He'd rather play in Europe and then go pro. I can't blame him.
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So if Jones is recruited now and redshirts, wouldn't this not be a problem? I'm guessing he doesn't want to do that. He'd rather play in Europe and then go pro. I can't blame him.
He would still be under scholarship as a redshirt. He would have to go to JUCO and pay his way for a year then transfer to SJU.
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So if Jones is recruited now and redshirts, wouldn't this not be a problem? I'm guessing he doesn't want to do that. He'd rather play in Europe and then go pro. I can't blame him.
He would still be under scholarship as a redshirt. He would have to go to JUCO and pay his way for a year then transfer to SJU.
That seems even more unlikely...if he did well enough to merit first round consideration for the NBA draft he would be more apt to throw his name into the draft.
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Was Lamont supposed to announce today?
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He's on the Lance Stephenson announcement schedule.
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Seton Hall the last one standing?
http://www.southorangejuice.com/2011/6/1/2201721/seton-hall-basketball-hazell-update-momo-on-campus-canty-visiting (http://www.southorangejuice.com/2011/6/1/2201721/seton-hall-basketball-hazell-update-momo-on-campus-canty-visiting)
According to our own John Lopiano, Arizona Wildcats transfer Lamont "MoMo" Jones was spotted on campus today talking to head coach Kevin Willard. The information was confirmed by another source that Jones was indeed on campus with former Seton Hall assistant Dermon Player.
With St. John's out of the MoMo Sweepsteaks because of his former relationship with Red Storm assistant Moe Hicks and Connecticut no longer pursuing the guard, it seems like Seton Hall is the last local major conference school remaining.
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Recruiting Momo is difficult for any team. I think he has a snow ball's chance in heck to get the NCAA to allow him to play this coming season. So you recruit him to sit out a year, then play a year, then there is a good chance he goes Pro. SH and Coach Willard have nothing to lose if this scenario plays out.
Once again, I think if he could play for us and have to sit out a year, I am not sure Coach Lavin would want to go that route with Momo.
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Recruiting Momo is difficult for any team. I think he has a snow ball's chance in heck to get the NCAA to allow him to play this coming season. So you recruit him to sit out a year, then play a year, then there is a good chance he goes Pro. SH and Coach Willard have nothing to lose if this scenario plays out.
Once again, I think if he could play for us and have to sit out a year, I am not sure Coach Lavin would want to go that route with Momo.
Wonder how Kyle feels about Hall getting Momo to clog up the ball handling.
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Seton Hall has so little to work with this coming season that it's worth it for them to take chances on any promising transfer. Even if it's just for one year. Thankfully, we are no longer in that position.
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Jones will take officials to Marquette, South Florida and Pittsburgh and unofficials to Seton Hall (Wednesday), Iona (Friday), Hosftra (Monday) and UMass (Tuesday), per Dermon Player, the former Seton Hall assistant now advising Jones on his recruitment.
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Jones will take officials to Marquette, South Florida and Pittsburgh and unofficials to Seton Hall (Wednesday), Iona (Friday), Hosftra (Monday) and UMass (Tuesday), per Dermon Player, the former Seton Hall assistant now advising Jones on his recruitment.
Grandma lives all over.
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Sure sounds like SHU is probably not where he wants to end up. I mean SHU is the only local major viable option and despite visiting still wants to visit all of these low mid majors and A-10 schools in addition to bigger schools well outside the metro area?
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Sure sounds like SHU is probably not where he wants to end up. I mean SHU is the only local major viable option and despite visiting still wants to visit all of these low mid majors and A-10 schools in addition to bigger schools well outside the metro area?
You would think he would have thought about this before pulling the trigger and transferring. Put feelers out there. Most indecisive transfer ever.
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Jones will take officials to Marquette, South Florida and Pittsburgh and unofficials to Seton Hall (Wednesday), Iona (Friday), Hosftra (Monday) and UMass (Tuesday), per Dermon Player, the former Seton Hall assistant now advising Jones on his recruitment.
Grandma lives all over.
lol
Im not sure Momo would like playing for Willard
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I look forward to Iona either making a huge splash or completely disintegrating if he gets the waiver and goes there.
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Sure sounds like SHU is probably not where he wants to end up. I mean SHU is the only local major viable option and despite visiting still wants to visit all of these low mid majors and A-10 schools in addition to bigger schools well outside the metro area?
You would think he would have thought about this before pulling the trigger and transferring. Put feelers out there. Most indecisive transfer ever.
You and I know that if SJU was a viable option his recruitment would be over right now.
That also tells me he probably will not land at SHU since again they are the only BE school and he won't pull the trigger.
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Jones will take officials to Marquette, South Florida and Pittsburgh and unofficials to Seton Hall (Wednesday), Iona (Friday), Hosftra (Monday) and UMass (Tuesday), per Dermon Player, the former Seton Hall assistant now advising Jones on his recruitment.
Grandma lives all over.
lol
Im not sure Momo would like playing for Willard
Mike Glover had some issues in the past as well and he worked out pretty well for the Gaels so far
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Sure sounds like SHU is probably not where he wants to end up. I mean SHU is the only local major viable option and despite visiting still wants to visit all of these low mid majors and A-10 schools in addition to bigger schools well outside the metro area?
You would think he would have thought about this before pulling the trigger and transferring. Put feelers out there. Most indecisive transfer ever.
You and I know that if SJU was a viable option his recruitment would be over right now.
That also tells me he probably will not land at SHU since again they are the only BE school and he won't pull the trigger.
True but again the feelers should have been placed. Should have asked about the Hicks rule.
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Machado is pretty overrated IMOP. He shat the bed in the MAAC final. I'd they can move him to the bench or even to off guard, maybe the Gaels can finally get over that hump.
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Machado is pretty overrated IMOP. He shat the bed in the MAAC final. I'd they can move him to the bench or even to off guard, maybe the Gaels can finally get over that hump.
If Kyle Smyth was healthy, Gaels win that game. But you are right, Machado has some trouble in the big games
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Sure sounds like SHU is probably not where he wants to end up. I mean SHU is the only local major viable option and despite visiting still wants to visit all of these low mid majors and A-10 schools in addition to bigger schools well outside the metro area?
You would think he would have thought about this before pulling the trigger and transferring. Put feelers out there. Most indecisive transfer ever.
You and I know that if SJU was a viable option his recruitment would be over right now.
That also tells me he probably will not land at SHU since again they are the only BE school and he won't pull the trigger.
True but again the feelers should have been placed. Should have asked about the Hicks rule.
You would be surprised, see Taran Buie, about the number of transfers still looking for a home. If he lands at a place like Marquette or Florida then you can't argue with the outcome. I think he realizes that the waiver is a longshot even if he transfers to the metro area that is why he opened it up.
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Do you guys think Iona has a legit shot with Momo? Just so happens another scholly opened up
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Sure sounds like SHU is probably not where he wants to end up. I mean SHU is the only local major viable option and despite visiting still wants to visit all of these low mid majors and A-10 schools in addition to bigger schools well outside the metro area?
You would think he would have thought about this before pulling the trigger and transferring. Put feelers out there. Most indecisive transfer ever.
You and I know that if SJU was a viable option his recruitment would be over right now.
That also tells me he probably will not land at SHU since again they are the only BE school and he won't pull the trigger.
True but again the feelers should have been placed. Should have asked about the Hicks rule.
You would be surprised, see Taran Buie, about the number of transfers still looking for a home. If he lands at a place like Marquette or Florida then you can't argue with the outcome. I think he realizes that the waiver is a longshot even if he transfers to the metro area that is why he opened it up.
When did Buie leave? When DeChillis was still coach?
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Do you guys think Iona has a legit shot with Momo? Just so happens another scholly opened up
How did it open?
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Do you guys think Iona has a legit shot with Momo? Just so happens another scholly opened up
How did it open?
1 of Cluess' gang of newly signed jucos wont be eligible. James Anacreon
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Marco : Do you think you can go over to the Iona board and cause a panic? >:(
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Sure sounds like SHU is probably not where he wants to end up. I mean SHU is the only local major viable option and despite visiting still wants to visit all of these low mid majors and A-10 schools in addition to bigger schools well outside the metro area?
You would think he would have thought about this before pulling the trigger and transferring. Put feelers out there. Most indecisive transfer ever.
You and I know that if SJU was a viable option his recruitment would be over right now.
That also tells me he probably will not land at SHU since again they are the only BE school and he won't pull the trigger.
True but again the feelers should have been placed. Should have asked about the Hicks rule.
You would be surprised, see Taran Buie, about the number of transfers still looking for a home. If he lands at a place like Marquette or Florida then you can't argue with the outcome. I think he realizes that the waiver is a longshot even if he transfers to the metro area that is why he opened it up.
When did Buie leave? When DeChillis was still coach?
Yes he got his release in April.
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Sure sounds like SHU is probably not where he wants to end up. I mean SHU is the only local major viable option and despite visiting still wants to visit all of these low mid majors and A-10 schools in addition to bigger schools well outside the metro area?
You would think he would have thought about this before pulling the trigger and transferring. Put feelers out there. Most indecisive transfer ever.
You and I know that if SJU was a viable option his recruitment would be over right now.
That also tells me he probably will not land at SHU since again they are the only BE school and he won't pull the trigger.
True but again the feelers should have been placed. Should have asked about the Hicks rule.
You would be surprised, see Taran Buie, about the number of transfers still looking for a home. If he lands at a place like Marquette or Florida then you can't argue with the outcome. I think he realizes that the waiver is a longshot even if he transfers to the metro area that is why he opened it up.
When did Buie leave? When DeChillis was still coach?
Yes he got his release in April.
im pretty sure he was off the team well before that.
Any idea where he might end up fordham?
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Marco : Do you think you can go over to the Iona board and cause a panic? >:(
Panic?
I believe Momo is at Iona today,hopefully Cluess and Grasso can close the deal. He'd love to play in that system. Gaels will be the best local team next season
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Marco : Do you think you can go over to the Iona board and cause a panic? >:(
Panic?
I believe Momo is at Iona today,hopefully Cluess and Grasso can close the deal. He'd love to play in that system. Gaels will be the best local team next season
Assuming he can play next season.
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Marco : Do you think you can go over to the Iona board and cause a panic? >:(
Panic?
I believe Momo is at Iona today,hopefully Cluess and Grasso can close the deal. He'd love to play in that system. Gaels will be the best local team next season
Best? So you are saying that SJU couldn't win the MAAC with their young talent and coaching staff this coming year? If you think they could how do you come up with Iona being the best local school?
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Marco : Do you think you can go over to the Iona board and cause a panic? >:(
Panic?
I believe Momo is at Iona today,hopefully Cluess and Grasso can close the deal. He'd love to play in that system. Gaels will be the best local team next season
Best? So you are saying that SJU couldn't win the MAAC with their young talent and coaching staff this coming year? If you think they could how do you come up with Iona being the best local school?
I think Iona would be better next season, not the years after-with or without Momo Jones.. Imo alot of that has to do with experience-
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I think Iona would be better next season, not the years after-with or without Momo Jones.. Imo alot of that has to do with experience-
Even "with" Momo, it still probably means he is sitting out a year. IMO I don't see him getting a waiver. Even with him wanting to be close to his grandmother, the list of schools that he is visiting includes some that are more than a train ride from home. It makes his case harder to swallow.
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Iona is very interested in Momo. They'd take him in a heartbeat.
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Marco : Do you think you can go over to the Iona board and cause a panic? >:(
Panic?
I believe Momo is at Iona today,hopefully Cluess and Grasso can close the deal. He'd love to play in that system. Gaels will be the best local team next season
Best? So you are saying that SJU couldn't win the MAAC with their young talent and coaching staff this coming year? If you think they could how do you come up with Iona being the best local school?
I think Iona would be better next season, not the years after-with or without Momo Jones.. Imo alot of that has to do with experience-
You didn't answer my question. Better how? More talented? Based on what??? Based on their MAAC performance I presume.
I would match a starting lineup of Pelle, Sampson, Harrison, Harkless and Nuri with ANY school in the MAAC including Iona and it would not be close. Period.
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Marco : Do you think you can go over to the Iona board and cause a panic? >:(
Panic?
I believe Momo is at Iona today,hopefully Cluess and Grasso can close the deal. He'd love to play in that system. Gaels will be the best local team next season
Best? So you are saying that SJU couldn't win the MAAC with their young talent and coaching staff this coming year? If you think they could how do you come up with Iona being the best local school?
I think Iona would be better next season, not the years after-with or without Momo Jones.. Imo alot of that has to do with experience-
You didn't answer my question. Better how? More talented? Based on what??? Based on their MAAC performance I presume.
I would match a starting lineup of Pelle, Sampson, Harrison, Harkless and Nuri with ANY school in the MAAC including Iona and it would not be close. Period.
These guys havent played a college game yet. Iona will be a top 40/50 team this year with a PG and big who could start on some teams in the bigger conferences including the Big East. I take Glover and Machado as seniors over any of the 1st year players at St Johns. Glover lit up Syracuse and Machado owned Kevin Anderson from Richmond. But again, thats just for next season. Sky is the limit for the new Johnny guys though. I would think some bigger teams would shy away from scheduling Iona next season, its too bad we wont see this matchup.
And btw, Fairfield will be no joke either
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Marco : Do you think you can go over to the Iona board and cause a panic? >:(
Panic?
I believe Momo is at Iona today,hopefully Cluess and Grasso can close the deal. He'd love to play in that system. Gaels will be the best local team next season
Best? So you are saying that SJU couldn't win the MAAC with their young talent and coaching staff this coming year? If you think they could how do you come up with Iona being the best local school?
I think Iona would be better next season, not the years after-with or without Momo Jones.. Imo alot of that has to do with experience-
You didn't answer my question. Better how? More talented? Based on what??? Based on their MAAC performance I presume.
I would match a starting lineup of Pelle, Sampson, Harrison, Harkless and Nuri with ANY school in the MAAC including Iona and it would not be close. Period.
These guys havent played a college game yet. Iona will be a top 40/50 team this year with a PG and big who could start on some teams in the bigger conferences including the Big East. I take Glover and Machado as seniors over any of the 1st year players at St Johns. Glover lit up Syracuse and Machado owned Kevin Anderson from Richmond. But again, thats just for next season. Sky is the limit for the new Johnny guys though. I would think some bigger teams would shy away from scheduling Iona next season, its too bad we wont see this matchup.
And btw, Fairfield will be no joke either
I don't care if there was a draft of players for all the MAAC players and SJU by MAAC schools it would not even be close. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
More importantly St. Peter's won the MAAC Tourney last year. They would have been MAYBE 15th in the BE. MAYBE. And Fairfield the Best team lost to Rutgers.
So SJU could go 9-9 this year and Iona could go 14-4 that won't mean squat. SJU is the best program and the best team in the Metro area period. NOT EVEN CLOSE. You lose this argument with any person.
Go ask ANY MAAC coach what starting lineup he would go to war with SJU's young one or Iona's and it WOULD NOT EVEN BE CLOSE.
Period. I don't care about playing time. UK's five freshmen had never played a minute 2 year's ago, so what.
You cannot compare a MAAC school with a BE school unless they are what a Siena was a few years ago and even then that was a middle of the pack BE school at best. And that Siena team 3 years in a row was hands down the best MAAC team since the Fran/Lappas Manhattan teams not even close and SJU smacked them around in Philly. A very mediocre SJU team.
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Bottom line last thing I will say is if SJU's current incoming roster and staff were in the MAAC this year they would be the favorite to win the MAAC. No doubt about it.
Fairfield will be no joke….LOL!!! Oh no doubt Lavin stays up all night not worrying about Duke, UCLA, Kentucky, UCONN, Notre Dame, Syracuse etc. he actually told me he is so thankful that he does not have to recruit the level of player to go against Canisius, Niagara, Manhattan, Iona etc.
If SJU was rebuilding in the form of a Providence or DePaul where it was going to take a few years before they get BE level talent then MAYBE I agree with you. But youth or not the talent level alone ain't even close.
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Like I said, too bad we'll never see this matchup. Instead we'll probably see St Johns vs Marist/St Francis/Monmouth etc. As a matter of fact, I bet St Johns schedules Iona the year after next.
Fairfield brings back everyone and adds Rakim Sanders and Des Wade
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Hahahaha - good stuff from Baldi....That was comedy, right Baldi?
If Baldi isn't stirring the pot with St. John's fans then he's trying to talk up Iona with St. John's fans...hilarious
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I wouldn't be shocked if SJ lost to an Iona, a Fairfield or a Penn type team in November/December.
It would make for a fun afternoon if you went to one of these small time programs. However, it's what kind of team they become that will determine what their standing should be in the city.
Last year, we were the top metro team. We didn't start off that way.
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Can we merge this with the Tim Cluess thread and make the longest thread in history? ;D
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Hahahaha - good stuff from Baldi....That was comedy, right Baldi?
If Baldi isn't stirring the pot with St. John's fans then he's trying to talk up Iona with St. John's fans...hilarious
I think both SJU and Iona will float around being in the top 40 or 50 teams next season
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If Penn can come within a point of knocking off Kentucky, why are Baldi's predictions so out of line?
Do we really think it's not possible that a senior team from the MAAC could be better than a freshman team from the BE?
Look around, it happens every year.
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If Penn can come within a point of knocking off Kentucky, why are Baldi's predictions so out of line?
Do we really think it's not possible that a senior team from the MAAC could be better than a freshman team from the BE?
Look around, it happens every year.
Yeah and that is my point, 1 game means nothing. Yeah under certain circumstances you can have an upset but does that mean Princeton was better then Kentucky?
Or better yet ask yourself this, give UK the Ivy schedule and then put Princeton in the SEC. UK goes 14-0, maybe 13-1 (perhaps they lose 1 game at the buzzer), with an average margin of victory being 20+. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Keep in mind Memphis won C-USA under Cal like 4 years in a row with something like 2 total losses. And that is a conference with schollies.
My point is what is his definition of BETTER? Because the MAAC is not even remotely close to the BE in terms of coaching, talent, and overall play. Put this freshmen laden SJU team in the MAAC and they automatically are favored to win the Conference. Pelle, Harkless, Harrison, Nuri, Garrett, Pointer are athletes that no one in the MAAC even comes close to seeing let alone all on 1 team.
Could in a 1 game scenario a Iona beat a young SJU? Sure. But go back to the UK example, that does not make them better. UCONN was a 9-9 BE team that before the BE Tourney was a combined 0-7 agains the top 5 teams in the BE last year in the regular season. That team, UCONN, still went on to win the BE Conference Tourney, get a #3 seed in the NCAA's and then won the whole thing. A 9-9 BE team did that.
I would go as far as saying that DePaul and Providence would win 11 to 12 games in the MAAC this year on talent alone. You guys simply do not understand the talent difference between the two conferences even among the worst teams in the BE.
Let me give you an example of what I mean in terms of talent and overall conference strength. Siena was by far the most dominant MAAC team in that 3 year stretch under Fran McCaffery. His last year they went 17-1 and all 5 of his starters made the All-MAAC 1st and 2nd team. So put that in perspective that means of the 10 best MAAC players (5 on the 1st team and 5 on the second team) Siena had HALF of those players. 1/2 of the 10 BEST players in the ENTIRE conference were on 1 team. Only 1 team had as many as 2 on both. Combine that with the fact Siena won the MAAC Tourney thus completing a 20-1 MAAC season with 14 of the 20 wins being by double digits.
They played 2 BCS conference teams (SJU which only went to the NIT and Georgia Tech which snuck into the NCAA's) and lost to both. They also played 2 other NCAA teams in the non-conference in Temple and then later Butler and lost both of those games. They also played Purdue in the NCAA's and guess what? They lost that game. So probably the most dominant MAAC team in a generation had a record of 0-5 against the toughest non-conference teams they played that year.
Think about that.
Stick Iona in the BE and then stick SJU in the MAAC and tell me you are making claims Iona is the best metro team. Iona would get buried in an 18 game BE schedule, oh and then give them a trip to Cameron and Rupp and a home game against UCLA and then the C v C just for kicks. Then you realize the comparison is apples and oranges first off and second off on talent alone SJU is better.
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Vcu beat Kansas. Does that make them the better team?
Um, yes. It does.
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Vcu beat Kansas. Does that make them the better team?
Um, yes. It does.
Uh no it doesn't. All it means is under a one and done situation sh## happens. Fordham was not a better team then SJU and if they played a 18 game BE schedule they would have gone 0 and 18 after SJU went 12-6. But under your logic they were.
Ask any coach who is better top to bottom and it is not even close and you are proving my point.
Two years ago DePaul went 1 and 17. Their only win was against a NCAA bound Marquette team. Does that mean Marquette was worse then DePaul?
That is the stupidity of using a one time head to head matchup.
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You're using the Billy Packer logic. And by that logic, VCU doesn't even make the dance.
Before you stand on your head and call everyone stupid for thinking that a mid major could be better than us, it would be wise to step and back and recognize that it happens every year in college basketball.
Every f'n year.
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Maybe the best way to say this is that the better TEAM won; not the better PLAYERS. We were still trying to become a TEAM at the time we played Fordham but look at the later results when we became a TEAM. Then we bested the schools which clearly had better players.
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Top recruiting classes very rarely being immediate success.
It would be great if they did. History says otherwise.
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You're using the Billy Packer logic. And by that logic, VCU doesn't even make the dance.
Before you stand on your head and call everyone stupid for thinking that a mid major could be better than us, it would be wise to step and back and recognize that it happens every year in college basketball.
Every f'n year.
So what that does not prove anything. Billy Packer? Huh? You made a dumb assertion based on a simple observation and I disproved it with facts and you are left with nothing.
Admit you were wrong and move on. Anyone who reads my explanation and reads yours knows what makes more sense.
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Top recruiting classes very rarely being immediate success.
It would be great if they did. History says otherwise.
Wanna bet on that. Ask Cal that. Dave Telep just calculated 33% of top 100 players start as freshmen.
Very simple ask any MAAC coach what roster they could choose if they could exchange theirs for either Iona or SJU.
It would not be close.
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Fordham, I don't mean any offense, but I think you have a reading comprehension problem.
I never said Iona, Penn or any small time program would be better than us. I said that it's possible because it's happened before.
What exactly should I ask Cal? Would he trade John Wall for Scott Machado? Where's our John Wall. Where is anyone's? I don't know how old you are, but if you're older than me, you have short memory.
Lopez, Z, Turner, Cook etc. Ring a bell.
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Fordham, I don't mean any offense, but I think you have a reading comprehension problem.
I never said Iona, Penn or any small time program would be better than us. I said that it's possible because it's happened before.
What exactly should I ask Cal? Would he trade John Wall for Scott Machado? Where's our John Wall. Where is anyone's? I don't know how old you are, but if you're older than me, you have short memory.
Lopez, Z, Turner, Cook etc. Ring a bell.
No offense taken. And those SJU teams would beat Iona anyway. Let's go back to the assertion that Baldi made. He said Iona would be the best team in the metro area, and I asked not that it was possible (anything in theory is possible) I asked based on what.
Based on talent? No. Sorry. Even if you accept SJU will be young that does not matter. How do I know this? Harkless, Nuri, Harrison and Pointer would start for Iona I don't give a damn who in the hell starts for Iona now. Wouldn't be close. Maybe Glover still starts but even that is iffy. So if you accept that then by definition you are agreeing that on paper SJU has MUCH more talent then any MAAC team let alone Iona. So I win that argument. You cannot argue in the same breath your team is better then the other but at the same time admit the other team's players would start over yours.
OK so what else could prove his point. Iona will be foavored to win the MAAC. OK. Fairfield won the MAAC at 15-3 and UCONN went 9-9 in the BE. So I guess that means Fairfield was the best team in the state of Connecticut right? WRONG. Forget that UCONN went on to win the whole thing but give Fairfield UCONN's schedule and then give UCONN Fairfield's schedule and see what happens. End of story. Again goes back to apples and oranges comparing doing well in the MAAC compared to doing well in the BE. DePaul could win double digit in the MAAC.
So what exatly are you left with as evidence that Iona will have the best area team. Uh, it is possible? OK. Anything is possible. If that is your argument, fine. But that is not much of one and more importantly you better bring something more than just that or VCU beating Kansas as evidence Iona will be a better team then SJU next year. I mean was LIU having won the NEC and having the most wins in the area last year the best team in the area? Possible?
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Fordham, I don't mean any offense, but I think you have a reading comprehension problem.
I never said Iona, Penn or any small time program would be better than us. I said that it's possible because it's happened before.
What exactly should I ask Cal? Would he trade John Wall for Scott Machado? Where's our John Wall. Where is anyone's? I don't know how old you are, but if you're older than me, you have short memory.
Lopez, Z, Turner, Cook etc. Ring a bell.
No offense taken. And those SJU teams would beat Iona anyway. Let's go back to the assertion that Baldi made. He said Iona would be the best team in the metro area, and I asked not that it was possible (anything in theory is possible) I asked based on what.
Based on talent? No. Sorry. Even if you accept SJU will be young that does not matter. How do I know this? Harkless, Nuri, Harrison and Pointer would start for Iona I don't give a damn who in the hell starts for Iona now. Wouldn't be close. Maybe Glover still starts but even that is iffy. So if you accept that then by definition you are agreeing that on paper SJU has MUCH more talent then any MAAC team let alone Iona. So I win that argument. You cannot argue in the same breath your team is better then the other but at the same time admit the other team's players would start over yours.
OK so what else could prove his point. Iona will be foavored to win the MAAC. OK. Fairfield won the MAAC at 15-3 and UCONN went 9-9 in the BE. So I guess that means Fairfield was the best team in the state of Connecticut right? WRONG. Forget that UCONN went on to win the whole thing but give Fairfield UCONN's schedule and then give UCONN Fairfield's schedule and see what happens. End of story. Again goes back to apples and oranges comparing doing well in the MAAC compared to doing well in the BE. DePaul could win double digit in the MAAC.
So what exatly are you left with as evidence that Iona will have the best area team. Uh, it is possible? OK. Anything is possible. If that is your argument, fine. But that is not much of one and more importantly you better bring something more than just that or VCU beating Kansas as evidence Iona will be a better team then SJU next year. I mean was LIU having won the NEC and having the most wins in the area last year the best team in the area? Possible?
Iona beat that Felipe,Zendon team
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/28/sports/college-basketball-iona-makes-its-season-as-st-john-s-hits-bottom.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/28/sports/college-basketball-iona-makes-its-season-as-st-john-s-hits-bottom.html)
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You guys are being foolish if you do not think Glover would start next year for SJU. Next years Iona team is going to be super athletic and their style should be fun to watch. They could be better overall than the 1985 Iona team with Burtt, Springer, Grimes, Hargraves and Coleman.
Syracuse had no answer for Glover.... neither would SJU with a group of kids. Boeheim said "Glover is about as good as anybody we'll play against". With that being said Iona has to get off their ass and recruit some studs this year or they will be one and done. SJU looks great on paper but we have to wait to see how they pull together. If they do great from the start our biggest worry will be keeping the team together.
I would love to see both of these programs kick ass because it is good for NYC hoops. Too many of our best players leave town to play Division 1 ball.
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For 2011-12, Fairfield is a legit top 50 team and Iona could be.
Both teams are deep and upperclassmen dominated.
Playing cohesively and on the right day, they could beat the johnnies come November/December.
Johnnies will be very talented but super young.
It will just take some time for all that young talent to mesh.
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Interesting take on some eastern teams looking to make a name for themselves in the upcoming year, but back to Momo.
Maybe he should stay at Arizona (I know the door is probably closed for him there.) for another year, then check out his NBA options. Seems to me that is the only way he is going to get any playing time in 2011-2012. Sitting out a year can only hinder his NBA chances.
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Um Fordham, "those SJU teams would beat Iona"
Wrong. Since you're so fond of backing up your points with facts, why not google the game that Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton played against Iona at MSG.
And for the record, no, Jeff Ruland wasn't on Iona at that time. Yet, they beat the snot out of us. Why? Experience.
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In referring to "inexperience" it seems like posters keep trotting out references to previous youth dominated teams. There's one problem. We're going to be starting FIVE newcomers. 9 of our top 10 players figure to be frosh or 1st year JCs. I'm not sure I remember ANY team so young.
I've seen references to the "fab 5". My god, does anyone remember that the Fab 5 joined a team anchored by 7'0 245 lb junior, future 5 year NBA center Eric Riley (he'd put up 11 pts 8.5 rebs in 30 mins per game as a soph the year before)?
That's sorta like SJU starting this coming season with Brownlee still here with 2 years of eligibility....But we don't. We've got a 3rd string PG with barely 600 minutes and only 125 total points and 60 total assists in 2 seasons. That's our TOTAL team experience.
It's really gonna take awhile for it to all come together. My guess is 1/2 a season at least. That doesn't mean we can't have a good record. We will be more talented than most teams we play. But until it all meshes together, we're going to need 1 or 2 of our "superior" talents to take over to win games against less talented but better coordianted teams. My guess is Harrington will grab the "Hardy role" of taking over at crunch time. He's truly got the skill AND the attitude for the role.
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In referring to "inexperience" it seems like posters keep trotting out references to previous youth dominated teams. There's one problem. We're going to be starting FIVE newcomers. 9 of our top 10 players figure to be frosh or 1st year JCs. I'm not sure I remember ANY team so young. I
I've seen references to the "fab 5". My god, does anyone remember that the Fab 5 joined a team anchored by 7'0 245 lb junior, future 5 year NBA center Eric Riley (he'd put up 11 pts 8.5 rebs in 30 mins per game as a soph the year before)?
That's sorta like SJU starting this coming season with Brownlee still here with 2 years of eligibility....But we don't. We've got a 3rd string PG with barely 600 minutes and only 125 total points and 60 total assists in 2 seasons. That's our TOTAL team experience.
It's really gonna take awhile for it to all come together. My guess is 1/2 a season at least. That doesn't mean we can't have a good record. We will be more talented than most teams we play. But until it all meshes together, we're going to need 1 or 2 of our "superior" talents to take over to win games against less talented but better coordianted teams. My guess is Harrington will grab the "Hardy role" of taking over at crunch time. He's truly got the skill AND the attitude for the role.
I for one see next season as being super difficult as a result of our inexperience and tough schedule.
Having said that we could exceed expectations and have a solid BE record if those making the BE schedule view us as a cellar dwellar.
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Um Fordham, "those SJU teams would beat Iona"
Wrong. Since you're so fond of backing up your points with facts, why not google the game that Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton played against Iona at MSG.
And for the record, no, Jeff Ruland wasn't on Iona at that time. Yet, they beat the snot out of us. Why? Experience.
Heres the article from the link I posted on the Iona/SJU game with Lopez and Zendon from NY Times
COLLEGE BASKETBALL;Iona Makes Its Season as St. John's Hits Bottom
By JERE LONGMAN
Published: December 28, 1995Sign In to E-Mail
The St. John's-Iona game was not decided until the final minutes last night, which was just as well. Neither team played deservedly of victory, though Iona displayed steadiness and a fierce determination down the stretch while St. John's folded in what has become a familiar retreat.
In a sloppy game filled with frayed shooting and inept ball handling, the Gaels finally prevailed, 70-57, in the Holiday Festival at Madison Square Garden, despite going eight minutes of the first half without scoring a single point. It was the first victory by Iona over St. John's since 1979.
If the game was unsatisfactorily contested -- neither team shot better than 38 percent while combining for 39 turnovers -- at least it was tense and riveting at the end, and full of significant meaning. Ambitious Iona (6-1) of the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference, acquired a victory that will make its season, while slumping St. John's (4-4) absorbed a defeat that may break its season and eventually cost embattled Coach Brian Mahoney his job.
Iona will face second-ranked Kentucky (8-1) in the championship game at 9 P.M. tomorrow. The Wildcats asserted themselves inside in the second half with forward Antoine Walker (27 points) and dominated a smaller Rider team on the offensive boards to win, 90-65, in the opener.
"It's probably one of the top five wins in the history of our program," said the elated Iona coach, Tim Welsh.
It may have been one of the five worst losses for St. John's, which committed 22 turnovers, collapsed in the face of Iona's 1-3-1 halfcourt trap and shot 21 for 66 (31.8 percent). The star guard Felipe Lopez shot a miserable 5 for 21, while center Zendon Hamilton went a frigid 6 for 15 and point guard Derek Brown negated 6 assists with 6 turnovers.
"We don't think it could get any worse," St. John's swingman Fred Lyson said. "We're hoping."
With 6 minutes 10 seconds remaining, Iona went ahead for good, 50-48, on a bank shot on the fast break by guard Bryan Matthew, who led the Gaels with 19 points.
St. John's pulled within 54-53 after a steal by Brown and a layup from Hamilton, but the erratically shooting Red Storm went cold as Iona went on an 8-0 run to go ahead by 62-53. The balanced Gaels, who got 17 points from forward Mindaugas Timinskas and 15 from center Mikkel Larsen while picking St. John's pocket for 15 steals, then kept hitting free throws as the lead widened to double figures. Iona wanted the game more and simply took it.
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I not sure Glover would start on this team to tell the truth. Iona did that to Cuse early in the season. Glover was a beast in that game, but he was simply finding gaps in the early-season 2-3 and Cuse let him clean the glass. I don't think Glover would offer much kore than say a Pointer and IMO Sampson is more talented. I like Glover a lot and he's a legit Big East player. I still take this SJU team after mid season against an Iona team. Early season, things can and will happen with all freshmen. I have no doubt about that. I do think our improved depth will blunt the effects a bit though.
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Since Lou retired just about every local has cleaned our clock at least once. Usually it's because they are a deeper more experienced team.
That, and we've been overrated many times.
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I wish the mode would keep this thread on topic.
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I wish the mode would keep this thread on topic.
At this point what does it matter though. MoMo aint coming here and frankly I could care less where he goes now. If the inmates wanna go Iona vs. STJ and all that lets do it!
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Gman, there's nothing new or interesting on this topic. So it can go as off the rails as you like! And since Momo is looking at Iona (he still is, right), it's semi-pertinent.
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today?
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Iona per Zags tweet.
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Hell ya!!!!! Think he'll get the waiver?
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Hell ya!!!!! Think he'll get the waiver?
For your benefit I hope he does because the thought of him sitting for a year and not playing just doesnt give me the warm and fuzzies.
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Hell ya!!!!! Think he'll get the waiver?
For your benefit I hope he does because the thought of him sitting for a year and not playing just doesnt give me the warm and fuzzies.
We'll see. Machado will be a senior, so if he has to sitout a year, it will be his team
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Congrats Baldi!!!!
Again I think his chance at a waiver is thin but at least he stays in the area whcih gives him a shot.
First Sterling Gibbs doesn't bite at SHU and now Momo. Wow!!!
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/06/08/momo-jones-to-iona/#more-53398 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/06/08/momo-jones-to-iona/#more-53398)
a source close to the Iona staff said they were hopeful of obtaining a waiver.
“I look forward to going to the Gaels and pursuing my dreams of getting my degree and basketball career. My decision was basically solely on being close to my family and still having an opportunity to showcase my skills.”
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Congrats Baldi!!!!
Again I think his chance at a waiver is thin but at least he stays in the area whcih gives him a shot.
First Sterling Gibbs doesn't bite at SHU and now Momo. Wow!!!
Cluess just owned Willard
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Well I said clearly that I did not think he would land at SHU since he decided to go on these visits (as it turns out just 1 more to Iona) after his SHU visit. I mean here is a BE school in the metro area and the only one left standing and you are still not satisfied?
I am not sure Derm wanted to do SHU any favors after the Gonzo mess of last year anyway. JMHO
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I would guess him staying so close to home makes the NCAA's decision a bit easier?
Now say Momo does get the waiver, Iona would have to have one of the best backcourts in the nation along with a top big man. Scott Machado,Momo Jones and Mike Glover. Am I biased with this?
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I would guess him staying so close to home makes the NCAA's decision a bit easier?
Now say Momo does get the waiver, Iona would have to have one of the best backcourts in the nation along with a top big man. Scott Machado,Momo Jones and Mike Glover. Am I biased with this?
Oh I agree. I would put it right behind the UK backcourt of Marquis Teague and Doron Lamb, UNC's backcourt of Kendall Marshall and Dexter Strickland and just ahead of Duke's backcourt of Austin Rivers and Tyler Thornton/Andre Dawkins/Seth Curry and Arizona's backcourt of Josiah Turner/Nick Johnson/Jordin Mayes.
First stop New Rochelle, next stop New Orleans and the Final Four!!!! LOL!!!
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Saga mentioned Momo might look at marquette, south Florida and others. Didn't realize Wisconsin was close to home.
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I guess I'm slow and he already chose ions. Nothing new for me!
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I would guess him staying so close to home makes the NCAA's decision a bit easier?
Now say Momo does get the waiver, Iona would have to have one of the best backcourts in the nation along with a top big man. Scott Machado,Momo Jones and Mike Glover. Am I biased with this?
Oh I agree. I would put it right behind the UK backcourt of Marquis Teague and Doron Lamb, UNC's backcourt of Kendall Marshall and Dexter Strickland and just ahead of Duke's backcourt of Austin Rivers and Tyler Thornton/Andre Dawkins/Seth Curry and Arizona's backcourt of Josiah Turner/Nick Johnson/Jordin Mayes.
First stop New Rochelle, next stop New Orleans and the Final Four!!!! LOL!!!
Like I said,ONE OF THE BEST. Alot of the guys youve mentioned havent played a college game yet. Machado was top 3 in assists
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I would guess him staying so close to home makes the NCAA's decision a bit easier?
Now say Momo does get the waiver, Iona would have to have one of the best backcourts in the nation along with a top big man. Scott Machado,Momo Jones and Mike Glover. Am I biased with this?
Oh I agree. I would put it right behind the UK backcourt of Marquis Teague and Doron Lamb, UNC's backcourt of Kendall Marshall and Dexter Strickland and just ahead of Duke's backcourt of Austin Rivers and Tyler Thornton/Andre Dawkins/Seth Curry and Arizona's backcourt of Josiah Turner/Nick Johnson/Jordin Mayes.
First stop New Rochelle, next stop New Orleans and the Final Four!!!! LOL!!!
Like I said,ONE OF THE BEST. Alot of the guys youve mentioned havent played a college game yet. Machado was top 3 in assists
Would he be top 3 in assists playing BCS conference schedule? Tough to say a MAAC team has one of the best backcourts in the country when they are playing Manhattan and Canisius twice a yr.
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Congrats Baldi!!!!
Again I think his chance at a waiver is thin but at least he stays in the area whcih gives him a shot.
First Sterling Gibbs doesn't bite at SHU and now Momo. Wow!!!
SHU = Dead Coach Walking
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I would guess him staying so close to home makes the NCAA's decision a bit easier?
Now say Momo does get the waiver, Iona would have to have one of the best backcourts in the nation along with a top big man. Scott Machado,Momo Jones and Mike Glover. Am I biased with this?
Oh I agree. I would put it right behind the UK backcourt of Marquis Teague and Doron Lamb, UNC's backcourt of Kendall Marshall and Dexter Strickland and just ahead of Duke's backcourt of Austin Rivers and Tyler Thornton/Andre Dawkins/Seth Curry and Arizona's backcourt of Josiah Turner/Nick Johnson/Jordin Mayes.
First stop New Rochelle, next stop New Orleans and the Final Four!!!! LOL!!!
Like I said,ONE OF THE BEST. Alot of the guys youve mentioned havent played a college game yet. Machado was top 3 in assists
Would he be top 3 in assists playing BCS conference schedule? Tough to say a MAAC team has one of the best backcourts in the country when they are playing Manhattan and Canisius twice a yr.
Machado vs Syracuse had 11 points and 13 assists, against Richmond he had 28 pts and 6 assists and matched up with Charles Jenkins{future pro) and Hofstra he had 17 and 11
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I would guess him staying so close to home makes the NCAA's decision a bit easier?
Now say Momo does get the waiver, Iona would have to have one of the best backcourts in the nation along with a top big man. Scott Machado,Momo Jones and Mike Glover. Am I biased with this?
Oh I agree. I would put it right behind the UK backcourt of Marquis Teague and Doron Lamb, UNC's backcourt of Kendall Marshall and Dexter Strickland and just ahead of Duke's backcourt of Austin Rivers and Tyler Thornton/Andre Dawkins/Seth Curry and Arizona's backcourt of Josiah Turner/Nick Johnson/Jordin Mayes.
First stop New Rochelle, next stop New Orleans and the Final Four!!!! LOL!!!
Like I said,ONE OF THE BEST. Alot of the guys youve mentioned havent played a college game yet. Machado was top 3 in assists
Would he be top 3 in assists playing BCS conference schedule? Tough to say a MAAC team has one of the best backcourts in the country when they are playing Manhattan and Canisius twice a yr.
"Macho Man" Machado ... ;D
Machado vs Syracuse had 11 points and 13 assists, against Richmond he had 28 pts and 6 assists and matched up with Charles Jenkins{future pro) and Hofstra he had 17 and 11
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I would guess him staying so close to home makes the NCAA's decision a bit easier?
Now say Momo does get the waiver, Iona would have to have one of the best backcourts in the nation along with a top big man. Scott Machado,Momo Jones and Mike Glover. Am I biased with this?
Oh I agree. I would put it right behind the UK backcourt of Marquis Teague and Doron Lamb, UNC's backcourt of Kendall Marshall and Dexter Strickland and just ahead of Duke's backcourt of Austin Rivers and Tyler Thornton/Andre Dawkins/Seth Curry and Arizona's backcourt of Josiah Turner/Nick Johnson/Jordin Mayes.
First stop New Rochelle, next stop New Orleans and the Final Four!!!! LOL!!!
Like I said,ONE OF THE BEST. Alot of the guys youve mentioned havent played a college game yet. Machado was top 3 in assists
Would he be top 3 in assists playing BCS conference schedule? Tough to say a MAAC team has one of the best backcourts in the country when they are playing Manhattan and Canisius twice a yr.
Machado vs Syracuse had 11 points and 13 assists, against Richmond he had 28 pts and 6 assists and matched up with Charles Jenkins{future pro) and Hofstra he had 17 and 11
Please no one would take Machado over Austin Rivers or Teague I don't care how many games they have played or not played and you know it. Both of those guys, infact ALL of those guys, would start day one at Iona period. End of story. Those guys are future pros in many instances.
And please with this cherry picking games. Have him play a six or seven game stretch against Pitt, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova, then step out of conference for a game against Austin Rivers and Duke down in Cameron and then back to Cincy.
Against Siena he had 5 points 5 assists and 3 turnovers I guess that means he sucks again.
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Guys give me a break with this experience stuff. I know it helps but no one on this planet would take Scott Machado over Austin Rivers, Quinn Cook, Josiah Turner etc. I don't care if they just changed their own diapers. Those guys would start for Iona or Manhattan or (insert every God for saken MAAC school) from day one and you know it. So by definition they are better then anyone in the MAAC.
I agree Iona will be one of the favorites in the MAAC and if Jones is eligible this coming season then they will probably be THE favorite. But Jones is a great example. The guy avg. 9 points. Not terribly impressive on the surface. But he did it at a big time program called Arizona and does anyone doubt he steps in at Iona and starts day one? Because the gulf between the MAAC and Arizona is as wide as the Atlantic Ocean.
And people talk about big time freshmen like Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton being disappointments early on. Perhaps. But a disappointment in the Big East is one thing. A disappointment in the MAAC is something else. In other words in their freshmen seasons they went 7-11 in the BE and went to the NIT. Disappointment. But translate that to the MAAC. Are you telling me they would have gone 7-11 in the MAAC? My guess is they would have probably won the MAAC and if you asked Brian Mahoney if he could trade that season with his players for a season in the MAAC instead of the BE and have it count the same in terms of perception I think he would have taken his chances in the MAAC, no?
Yes guys disappoint. But that does not mean they would have had the same results against CLEARLY INFERIOR competition if given the same team and same players etc but instead played in the MAAC.
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If he's going to get to play next year, Iona makes more sense than Seton Hall. With Hazell, Seton Hall is a bad team. Without him, they're terrible. We saw that last year. Jones would take Iona to the dance, and they might even make some noise.
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Guys give me a break with this experience stuff. I know it helps but no one on this planet would take Scott Machado over Austin Rivers, Quinn Cook, Josiah Turner etc. I don't care if they just changed their own diapers. Those guys would start for Iona or Manhattan or (insert every God for saken MAAC school) from day one and you know it. So by definition they are better then anyone in the MAAC.
I agree Iona will be one of the favorites in the MAAC and if Jones is eligible this coming season then they will probably be THE favorite. But Jones is a great example. The guy avg. 9 points. Not terribly impressive on the surface. But he did it at a big time program called Arizona and does anyone doubt he steps in at Iona and starts day one? Because the gulf between the MAAC and Arizona is as wide as the Atlantic Ocean.
And people talk about big time freshmen like Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton being disappointments early on. Perhaps. But a disappointment in the Big East is one thing. A disappointment in the MAAC is something else. In other words in their freshmen seasons they went 7-11 in the BE and went to the NIT. Disappointment. But translate that to the MAAC. Are you telling me they would have gone 7-11 in the MAAC? My guess is they would have probably won the MAAC and if you asked Brian Mahoney if he could trade that season with his players for a season in the MAAC instead of the BE and have it count the same in terms of perception I think he would have taken his chances in the MAAC, no?
Yes guys disappoint. But that does not mean they would have had the same results against CLEARLY INFERIOR competition if given the same team and same players etc but instead played in the MAAC.
Sounds like fordham has had enough of Baldi pissing in his Cheerios. Next years Iona backcourt will be better than probably half the Big East teams'
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I think I made made my point. I don't see anyone disputing my point that all of those players including the SJU freshmen would start for any MAAC team and everyone knows that.
Iona MAY have the best team in the metro area next year (assuming Momo gets a waiver) RELATIVE to their level of play and their conference. I will not concede they are better then SJU (assuming SJU does not go 1-17!!!!) because even a mediocre SJU team can compete and win a MAAC title. It is apples and oranges.
Guys give me a break with this experience stuff. I know it helps but no one on this planet would take Scott Machado over Austin Rivers, Quinn Cook, Josiah Turner etc. I don't care if they just changed their own diapers. Those guys would start for Iona or Manhattan or (insert every God for saken MAAC school) from day one and you know it. So by definition they are better then anyone in the MAAC.
I agree Iona will be one of the favorites in the MAAC and if Jones is eligible this coming season then they will probably be THE favorite. But Jones is a great example. The guy avg. 9 points. Not terribly impressive on the surface. But he did it at a big time program called Arizona and does anyone doubt he steps in at Iona and starts day one? Because the gulf between the MAAC and Arizona is as wide as the Atlantic Ocean.
And people talk about big time freshmen like Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton being disappointments early on. Perhaps. But a disappointment in the Big East is one thing. A disappointment in the MAAC is something else. In other words in their freshmen seasons they went 7-11 in the BE and went to the NIT. Disappointment. But translate that to the MAAC. Are you telling me they would have gone 7-11 in the MAAC? My guess is they would have probably won the MAAC and if you asked Brian Mahoney if he could trade that season with his players for a season in the MAAC instead of the BE and have it count the same in terms of perception I think he would have taken his chances in the MAAC, no?
Yes guys disappoint. But that does not mean they would have had the same results against CLEARLY INFERIOR competition if given the same team and same players etc but instead played in the MAAC.
Sounds like fordham has had enough of Baldi pissing in his Cheerios. Next years Iona backcourt will be better than probably half the Big East teams'
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I think I made made my point. I don't see anyone disputing my point that all of those players including the SJU freshmen would start for any MAAC team and everyone knows that.
Put our sixth through 10th players in 2012-13 as starters on any team in the MAAC and they would win that conference.
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I think I made made my point. I don't see anyone disputing my point that all of those players including the SJU freshmen would start for any MAAC team and everyone knows that.
Iona MAY have the best team in the metro area next year (assuming Momo gets a waiver) RELATIVE to their level of play and their conference. I will not concede they are better then SJU (assuming SJU does not go 1-17!!!!) because even a mediocre SJU team can compete and win a MAAC title. It is apples and oranges.
Guys give me a break with this experience stuff. I know it helps but no one on this planet would take Scott Machado over Austin Rivers, Quinn Cook, Josiah Turner etc. I don't care if they just changed their own diapers. Those guys would start for Iona or Manhattan or (insert every God for saken MAAC school) from day one and you know it. So by definition they are better then anyone in the MAAC.
I agree Iona will be one of the favorites in the MAAC and if Jones is eligible this coming season then they will probably be THE favorite. But Jones is a great example. The guy avg. 9 points. Not terribly impressive on the surface. But he did it at a big time program called Arizona and does anyone doubt he steps in at Iona and starts day one? Because the gulf between the MAAC and Arizona is as wide as the Atlantic Ocean.
And people talk about big time freshmen like Felipe Lopez and Zendon Hamilton being disappointments early on. Perhaps. But a disappointment in the Big East is one thing. A disappointment in the MAAC is something else. In other words in their freshmen seasons they went 7-11 in the BE and went to the NIT. Disappointment. But translate that to the MAAC. Are you telling me they would have gone 7-11 in the MAAC? My guess is they would have probably won the MAAC and if you asked Brian Mahoney if he could trade that season with his players for a season in the MAAC instead of the BE and have it count the same in terms of perception I think he would have taken his chances in the MAAC, no?
Yes guys disappoint. But that does not mean they would have had the same results against CLEARLY INFERIOR competition if given the same team and same players etc but instead played in the MAAC.
Sounds like fordham has had enough of Baldi pissing in his Cheerios. Next years Iona backcourt will be better than probably half the Big East teams'
Dont take it so seriously! So for just next season, do you think Iona has a shot at being a better than St JOhns?
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I think I made made my point. I don't see anyone disputing my point that all of those players including the SJU freshmen would start for any MAAC team and everyone knows that.
Put our sixth through 10th players in 2012-13 as starters on any team in the MAAC and they would win that conference.
The eligible or uneligible 6-10 players?
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Is it really so crazy to think that mid major talent could succeed in the Big East?
When was the last time that mid major talent finished in the top half of the BE? Oh yea, LAST YEAR, when WE did it.
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here's the article from the associated press...
NEW YORK (AP) -- Former Arizona point guard Momo Jones has decided to transfer to Iona, according to several reports.
Jones, a New York City native who led the Wildcats to a berth in the regional finals last season, had announced he wanted to return to the East Coast to be closer to his family.
He averaged 9.7 points and 2.4 assists last season as a sophomore, starting every game as the Wildcats went 30-8, losing to eventual champion Connecticut one game shy of the Final Four.
"I look forward to going to the Gaels and pursuing my dreams of getting my degree and basketball career. My decision was basically solely on being close to my family and still having an opportunity to showcase my skills," Jones told SNY-TV through his adviser, Dermon Player, a former assistant coach at St. John's and Seton Hall.
Iona went 25-12 last season, losing to Saint Peter's in the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference championship game.
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Now we are back to the question of the waiver. And do we care?
Based on Momo's vast history of transferring, the fact that he was probably going to be replaced in the starting PG spot, and his family care situation is a bit vague, I do not see the NCAA ruling in his favor. But hey, who can predict how the NCAA will decide in any situation?
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Now we are back to the question of the waiver. And do we care?
Based on Momo's vast history of transferring, the fact that he was probably going to be replaced in the starting PG spot, and his family care situation is a bit vague, I do not see the NCAA ruling in his favor. But hey, who can predict how the NCAA will decide in any situation?
Since Baldi loves pushing our buttons I hope he doesn't get the waiver :)
But also Iona is close to me and I try to make it to some games each year. Would be fun to watch.
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Now we are back to the question of the waiver. And do we care?
Based on Momo's vast history of transferring, the fact that he was probably going to be replaced in the starting PG spot, and his family care situation is a bit vague, I do not see the NCAA ruling in his favor. But hey, who can predict how the NCAA will decide in any situation?
Since Baldi loves pushing our buttons I hope he doesn't get the waiver :)
But also Iona is close to me and I try to make it to some games each year. Would be fun to watch.
LOL. Machado,Momo,Glover and Smyth will be fun to watch. Gaels are stacked at the guard position-it looks like Trinity Fields would be the 3rd guard off the bench behind Jermel Jenkins and Sean Armand. I wouldnt be surprised to see 4 guards and Glover out there at times
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I think I made made my point. I don't see anyone disputing my point that all of those players including the SJU freshmen would start for any MAAC team and everyone knows that.
Put our sixth through 10th players in 2012-13 as starters on any team in the MAAC and they would win that conference.
The eligible or uneligible 6-10 players?
It is a safe bet that there aren't any players "uneligible". If you mean ineligible, well that is another story. But one that I am confident won't be an issue.
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The eligible or uneligible 6-10 players?
I suppose we can always just have grades changed to get them eligible like Iona did with Glover. If that fails, we could just pay new players to come like they did with Momo.
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The eligible or uneligible 6-10 players?
I suppose we can always just have grades changed to get them eligible like Iona did with Glover. If that fails, we could just pay new players to come like they did with Momo.
Doesnt matter, as long as they are qualitized. Lets see which school is on probation first
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The eligible or uneligible 6-10 players?
I suppose we can always just have grades changed to get them eligible like Iona did with Glover. If that fails, we could just pay new players to come like they did with Momo.
Doesnt matter, as long as they are qualitized. Lets see which school is on probation first
It's posts like this that make me wonder why you post here.
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The eligible or uneligible 6-10 players?
I suppose we can always just have grades changed to get them eligible like Iona did with Glover. If that fails, we could just pay new players to come like they did with Momo.
Doesnt matter, as long as they are qualitized. Lets see which school is on probation first
It's posts like this that make me wonder why you post here.
Some guy on bigeastboards used to tell me the same thing
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http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1LVCzF/www.msg.com/blogs/jon-rothstein/what-the-momo-factor-means-for-iona-plus-other-hoops-notes-1.68927 (http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1LVCzF/www.msg.com/blogs/jon-rothstein/what-the-momo-factor-means-for-iona-plus-other-hoops-notes-1.68927)
It's a crazy thought but if Jones is allowed to play next season, one could make the argument that the Gaels could have the three best players in the metropolitan area with Jones, Glover, and senior point guard Scott Machado. It's a debatable topic for sure -- Seton Hall's Herb Pope, LIU's Julian Boyd, Fordham's Chris Gaston, and Rutgers' Dane Miller and Gilvydas Biruta could all be in the conversation but just the fact that the question is raised speaks volumes about the level of talent that's being stocked in New Rochelle. The Gaels staff is also privately high on former White Plains star Rashad James, who be eligible next season.
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enough already!!! He ain't coming to SJU so who cares. There are more posts here than for any of the fine young men who signed up to be Redmen. Support them not someone who does not matter to SJU. post on the iona board or on the board of whoever will have him if you must. He does NOT exist to SJU!
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enough already!!! He ain't coming to SJU so who cares. There are more posts here than for any of the fine young men who signed up to be Redmen. Support them not someone who does not matter to SJU. post on the iona board or on the board of whoever will have him if you must. He does NOT exist to SJU!
No crying on the board please
(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef01538e8bf1f9970b-800wi)
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Come on Marco try being an adult, Iona is nice but isn't this site about SJU basketball!
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Come on Marco try being an adult, Iona is nice but isn't this site about SJU basketball!
Come on Marco try being an adult, Iona is nice but isn't this site about SJU basketball!
Message boards 101. If you dont want to read a thread, dont click on it-pretty easy stuff. This thread is on the recruiting page, why shouldnt I post in it?
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For those questioning Momo's relationship to his grandmother and her illness
Home in Harlem - Episode 3: Family Over Everything (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlZkWyKY2zg#ws)
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The eligible or uneligible 6-10 players?
I suppose we can always just have grades changed to get them eligible like Iona did with Glover. If that fails, we could just pay new players to come like they did with Momo.
Who would have ever thought Iona grads would put up that much money to get a player ? Guess the grads who worked at Marty and Lenny's did pretty good :)
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Per Zags:
Lamont "Momo" Jones has officially signed financial aid papers with Iona. School will now work on obtaining NCAA waiver. more later
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Gotta say, Baldi aint too far off wit his backcourt prognostications.
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Gotta say, Baldi aint too far off wit his backcourt prognostications.
You know it Choz! Your boy Kyle Smyth will be lighting it up from long range with Sean Armand. Iona is stacked with or without Momo next season. Sweet 16 or bust
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From facebook
Iona Hoops
Heard MoMo brought the house down with the entire camp watching his workout. Funny thing: Mike Glover's older brother, Anthony, participated as well
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http://dimemag.com/2011/06/family-first-ionas-lamont-momo-jones-chooses-home-over-hoops/ (http://dimemag.com/2011/06/family-first-ionas-lamont-momo-jones-chooses-home-over-hoops/)
Jones says he has a 90 percent chance of playing next season, though that’s his own guess.
“If they’re going to let me play, they’re going to let me play,” Jones says. “Right now I’m just hoping, God willing, that I do get the waiver. I don’t feel like I should be penalized for making an unselfish decision to come home to be with my family in this time of need.
“I think that any man who’s the man of the house would do the same thing.”
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The eligible or uneligible 6-10 players?
I suppose we can always just have grades changed to get them eligible like Iona did with Glover. If that fails, we could just pay new players to come like they did with Momo.
Who would have ever thought Iona grads would put up that much money to get a player ? Guess the grads who worked at Marty and Lenny's did pretty good :)
Marty and Lenny's - nice pull... Nothing like ladies night on a Friday, open bar, and then ladies pouring downstairs ... good times...
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http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1LVCzF/www.msg.com/blogs/jon-rothstein/what-the-momo-factor-means-for-iona-plus-other-hoops-notes-1.68927 (http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1LVCzF/www.msg.com/blogs/jon-rothstein/what-the-momo-factor-means-for-iona-plus-other-hoops-notes-1.68927)
It's a crazy thought but if Jones is allowed to play next season, one could make the argument that the Gaels could have the three best players in the metropolitan area with Jones, Glover, and senior point guard Scott Machado. It's a debatable topic for sure -- Seton Hall's Herb Pope, LIU's Julian Boyd, Fordham's Chris Gaston, and Rutgers' Dane Miller and Gilvydas Biruta could all be in the conversation but just the fact that the question is raised speaks volumes about the level of talent that's being stocked in New Rochelle. The Gaels staff is also privately high on former White Plains star Rashad James, who be eligible next season.
And how's the talent level at St. Peters?
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The biggest problem with Iona from what I saw is their coach.
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The biggest problem with Iona from what I saw is their coach.
Not a fan of Cluess? I tell you this, he certainly likes the jucos
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I they had no idea what they were doing against St.Peter's.
Iona was significantly more talented, but they played like scared freshman that night.
Over the course of the year it really seemed like they peaked in December/January.
Basically, so did St.John's.
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I they had no idea what they were doing against St.Peter's.
Iona was significantly more talented, but they played like scared freshman that night.
Over the course of the year it really seemed like they peaked in December/January.
Basically, so did St.John's.
They did suck that night, but John Dunne did a good job slowing that game down. And like I said, Iona was missing its glue player, Kyle Smyth-I guess similar to St Johns' missing DJ. The type of player that does a little bit of everything
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I they had no idea what they were doing against St.Peter's.
Iona was significantly more talented, but they played like scared freshman that night.
Over the course of the year it really seemed like they peaked in December/January.
Basically, so did St.John's.
They did suck that night, but John Dunne did a good job slowing that game down. And like I said, Iona was missing its glue player, Kyle Smyth-I guess similar to St Johns' missing DJ. The type of player that does a little bit of everything
As much as I like to poke and prod Baldi he's right. And I also said it right after the game. If they had Smyth they win that game.
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The biggest problem with Iona from what I saw is their coach.
Ouch! They say the truth hurts - u r bringing some serious hurt to the table!
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The biggest problem with Iona from what I saw is their coach.
Ouch! They say the truth hurts - u r bringing some serious hurt to the table!
Iona finished with a ranking of 68th and a 25-12 record. Youre right, thats a brutal job by Cluess in his first year coach
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Machado looked like Stith in that St.Peter's game.
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Machado looked like Stith in that St.Peter's game.
Agreed. He does seem to have trouble in the big spot,hopefully he figures that out on this his last season. But shall Momo get his waiver, we know wo will have the ball at the end of the game
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The 6 Most Overrated Players Heading into 2011-12. Momo on the list
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/774407-college-basketball-predictionsthe-6-most-overrated-players-heading-into-2011-12#/articles/774407-college-basketball-predictionsthe-6-most-overrated-players-heading-into-2011-12/page/2 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/774407-college-basketball-predictionsthe-6-most-overrated-players-heading-into-2011-12#/articles/774407-college-basketball-predictionsthe-6-most-overrated-players-heading-into-2011-12/page/2)
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terrible article imo. I do however agree that momo is probably a little overrated, and austin rivers will struggle
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It's not an article. It's a slide show list put up by some kid. There aren't writers on the Bleacher Report, just "members". Folks who pay for the privilege of having their uninformed opinions dressed up to look like real journalism. Why anyone visits the site is beyond me.
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http://www.goexplorers.com/news/2011/8/3/MBB_0803114325.aspx (http://www.goexplorers.com/news/2011/8/3/MBB_0803114325.aspx)
Hardship waiver given to LaSalle player.
“Choosing to attend La Salle has allowed Ramon to assist nearby family members facing health issues,” Giannini said. “We are thankful that this decision allows Ramon to complete his degree and basketball eligibility in two years at which point he can be of greater assistance to those who he wants to help.”
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has Momo been cleared to play this year..?
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has Momo been cleared to play this year..?
Not that I know of
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has Momo been cleared to play this year..?
Not that I know of
How confident are you?
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has Momo been cleared to play this year..?
Not that I know of
How confident are you?
The kid at Lasalle got the waiver with the similar situation. Who knows with the Ncaa, they seem to take their time
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JonRothstein Jon Rothstein
Cluess on Momo Jones "We're hoping 2 hear something on his situation next week or the week after."
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Momo Jones has been cleared to play for Iona this season.
http://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/127092801556066306 (http://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/127092801556066306)
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Momo Jones has been cleared to play for Iona this season.
http://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/127092801556066306 (http://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/127092801556066306)
Baldi just fell in his cheesecake in stunned celebration....
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Momo Jones has been cleared to play for Iona this season.
http://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/127092801556066306 (http://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/127092801556066306)
Baldi just fell in his cheesecake in stunned celebration....
Wonder if he does try to transfer to St Johns for second semester
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Now that the Momo saga is over, can we delete his page or lock it once Baldi has given his final thoughts? I really don't want to read a synopsis of every one of his games this season.