6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: JohnnyJungle on February 21, 2015, 10:13:38 PM
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Pretty damn awesome how much he's turned it up this year and to have three 1,000+ point scorers on same team.
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Pretty damn awesome how much he's turned it up this year and to have three 1,000+ point scorers on same team.
One of the most improved St.John's players I've ever seen. Maybe the most. He was an animal today. Three 1,000 point scorers on the same team is incredibly unusual at St.John's.
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Maybe he was that good. It was a long time ago. Don't remember Artest being this as dominant as Dom was today.
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Maybe he was that good. It was a long time ago. Don't remember Artest being this as dominant as Dom was today.
He was that dominant. Pointer needs to lead us to wins over ranked teams to be in that category.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dom also exploded during his last AAU summer and senior year of high school. Much more than any recruit in that class. Great to see him reaching his potential!
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I can't believe it, but he really is making a great case for player of the year. I think he is going to win most improved and defensive player pretty easy which will almost hurt for player of the year.
Still such an outstanding season and really am excited to see more. Call me crazy, but I actually want him to get more confidence with those threes and fire away. His stroke is not that bad and I can see him hitting a few to make his drives even that much harder to guard.
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Playing terrific. But Hilliard or Dunn should get Big East player of the year IMO. Providence has a better record than us and, besides Henton, Dunn hasn't really had that much help. And Hilliard gets points for being the best player on, by far, the best team.
I do think Dom may get first team all big east right now. What's funny is that I still think Harrison is our best player. But his injuries have hampered his performance to an extent, and Dom has really stepped up.
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Got his 1000th tonight. No brainer 1st team all big east, possible Big east player of the year.
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Dunn's stats are insane.
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Defensive players of the year possibly? First team all big east no doubt. Love this guy much, his turn around has been epic. Really awesome to see someone improve and find their game.
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Dunn's stats are insane.
If you're drafting a team of just big east players, you taking Pointer or Dunn 1st?
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Dunn - 15.6pts/5.7reb/7.4ast/0.3blk/2.8stl/4.2TO
Dom - 13.4pts/7.5reb/2.9ast/2.4blk/2.0stl/1.9TO (does not include tonights game)
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Dunn's stats are insane.
If you're drafting a team of just big east players, you taking Pointer or Dunn 1st?
Offensively, Dom is the better player per possession. Kris Dunn has a 104.1 ORtg, Dom was at 114.4 (kenpom). I haven't seen enough of Dunn to know, but it's hard to imagine he'd be a better defensive player. Also, I'm a St. John's fan, so I'll take Dom :)
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Dunn - 15.6pts/5.7reb/7.4ast/0.3blk/2.8stl/4.2TO
Dom - 13.4pts/7.5reb/2.9ast/2.4blk/2.0stl/1.9TO (does not include tonights game)
These are great numbers. Co players of the year?
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Dom is the second best player on his own team. Don't see how he can win BE player of the year.
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Dom is the second best player on his own team. Don't see how he can win BE player of the year.
Dom has been our best player in BE play, and I don't know that it's that close. Now if D'lo had stayed healthy, obviously things would be different. But he didn't, and they're not. He even said he's basically playing on one leg (according to the announcers last night). That leaves Dom as the best player we have.
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Dom is the second best player on his own team. Don't see how he can win BE player of the year.
Dom has been our best player in BE play, and I don't know that it's that close. Now if D'lo had stayed healthy, obviously things would be different. But he didn't, and they're not. He even said he's basically playing on one leg (according to the announcers last night). That leaves Dom as the best player we have.
Yes, Dom has been great in BE play. Specially lately. But 3'lo was pre-season first team, the ever rare 2000 point scorer, 3rd scorer all-time and if you compare their numbers on the season, Harrison still looks good. The coaches will see Mullin...Sealy...Harrison and act accordingly. I would be surprised if Dom's leap frogged him to take his spot on the 1st team and/or to be P of the Y.
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Yeah ESPN had him at even 1,000 going into game and now has him at 1,019. Not sure why they were saying he scored it last night?
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Yeah ESPN had him at even 1,000 going into game and now has him at 1,019. Not sure why they were saying he scored it last night?
Same thing happened with Greene. The Espn numbers are not the same as SJ is using.
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Yeah ESPN had him at even 1,000 going into game and now has him at 1,019. Not sure why they were saying he scored it last night?
Same thing happened with Greene. The Espn numbers are not the same as SJ is using.
DII and exhintions
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Dom is the second best player on his own team. Don't see how he can win BE player of the year.
Dom is the best player on his own team. And it's not close. It may be due to injury, but the way Dom is playing now, he is better than Harrison even when healthy. But it'd be close if Dee was healthy - he's not completely healthy, and thus its not close.
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Dom is the second best player on his own team. Don't see how he can win BE player of the year.
Dom is the best player on his own team. And it's not close. It may be due to injury, but the way Dom is playing now, he is better than Harrison even when healthy. But it'd be close if Dee was healthy - he's not completely healthy, and thus its not close.
I don't think it's fair to say it's not close. I agree he's the best, but Harrison is a first team All BE, too.
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Dom is the second best player on his own team. Don't see how he can win BE player of the year.
Dom is the best player on his own team. And it's not close. It may be due to injury, but the way Dom is playing now, he is better than Harrison even when healthy. But it'd be close if Dee was healthy - he's not completely healthy, and thus its not close.
I don't think it's fair to say it's not close. I agree he's the best, but Harrison is a first team All BE, too.
I'm not arguing that Harrison does not deserve first team all BE for the body of work. But who has been the best player for St Johns during the BE season. I again think it is not close due to Harrison's injury. I feel we did our best work in the second half of this weekend's game with Harrison on the bench actually. If he was healthy, totally different story. Harrison is not currently playing like a 1st team all BE-er...but deserves it for the body of work.
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I think we will probably only get one guy, and it will be Dom. Harrison will probably make 2nd team.
Likely team - Dunn and Hilliard (either one POY), Dunham, Pointer, Smith-Rivera and probably Henton (odd that Providence would have two over Nova and others, but Providence is very much a two-man team whereas Nova has so many really good players).
Will say this - if we someone can win the next 3 and both Harrison and Pointer go nuts, I could see that changing.
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One more thing about how great Dom is playing
He's averaging 2.9 assists per game and only 1.9 turnovers per.
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If we can steal Gtown or Nova game and beat Marquette, I think Dom wins BE POY
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If we can steal Gtown or Nova game and beat Marquette, I think Dom wins BE POY
Why must we steal the G.Town game. It's at home. Our shots go in and there's do not. Seems right to me.
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If we can steal Gtown or Nova game and beat Marquette, I think Dom wins BE POY
Why must we steal the G.Town game. It's at home. Our shots go in and there's do not. Seems right to me.
They are better than us would be the first reason.
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Maybe he was that good. It was a long time ago. Don't remember Artest being this as dominant as Dom was today.
Tony, Ron was a lock first rounder after 2 seasons. He was a good teammate and knew how to play the right way from the time he too the court. The afternoon they played Duke at the garden he had to guard the big guy from Peekskill. He kept the guy in check giving away a ton. They were friends and I remember Ron jazzing him plenty. That kid also went to the league after 2 years and averaged 15&12 for a number of years. Not remembering his name my bad.
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Elton Brand
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Ty Grant missed that game. He was playing great before he broke his hand and was never really the same. We win Ohio State game in Elite 8 with totally healthy Grant. I think he was playing with a cast or a ridiculously big wrap on it for rest of that year after he came back.
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Maybe he was that good. It was a long time ago. Don't remember Artest being this as dominant as Dom was today.
Tony, Ron was a lock first rounder after 2 seasons. He was a good teammate and knew how to play the right way from the time he too the court. The afternoon they played Duke at the garden he had to guard the big guy from Peekskill. He kept the guy in check giving away a ton. They were friends and I remember Ron jazzing him plenty. That kid also went to the league after 2 years and averaged 15&12 for a number of years. Not remembering his name my bad.
If by 15/12 you mean he had 8 seasons plus of 20/10, you'd be right. He was also national player of the year in college...
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I think we will probably only get one guy, and it will be Dom. Harrison will probably make 2nd team.
Likely team - Dunn and Hilliard (either one POY), Dunham, Pointer, Smith-Rivera and probably Henton (odd that Providence would have two over Nova and others, but Providence is very much a two-man team whereas Nova has so many really good players).
Will say this - if we someone can win the next 3 and both Harrison and Pointer go nuts, I could see that changing.
Harrison is a 1st team all BE player.
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Dom is the second best player on his own team. Don't see how he can win BE player of the year.
Dom has been our best player in BE play, and I don't know that it's that close. Now if D'lo had stayed healthy, obviously things would be different. But he didn't, and they're not. He even said he's basically playing on one leg (according to the announcers last night). That leaves Dom as the best player we have.
Yes, Dom has been great in BE play. Specially lately. But 3'lo was pre-season first team, the ever rare 2000 point scorer, 3rd scorer all-time and if you compare their numbers on the season, Harrison still looks good. The coaches will see Mullin...Sealy...Harrison and act accordingly. I would be surprised if Dom's leap frogged him to take his spot on the 1st team and/or to be P of the Y.
So, because he was expected have the better season before the season started, he is more deserving now? That's why they play the games. Again, if D'lo doesn't get hurt, we're probably not having this conversation. But he did, so we are. Dom has been better than Harrison in BE play this year. I hope that D'lo goes off over the next three games. No offense to Dom (probably my favorite player on the team), but I'd rather Harrison make 1st team over him just for all that he's done for us since he got here. If it wasn't for Harrison, we're barely competitive the last three years. But this year, Dom has been better.
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If we can steal Gtown or Nova game and beat Marquette, I think Dom wins BE POY
Why must we steal the G.Town game. It's at home. Our shots go in and there's do not. Seems right to me.
They are better than us would be the first reason.
Jr is right. KenPom has us winning by 1. I'd bet the line will be very similar to X but no worse than pick em. Most likely outcome, by a hair, is SJU over Gtown. Objectively, a win would not be a "steal"
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If we can steal Gtown or Nova game and beat Marquette, I think Dom wins BE POY
Why must we steal the G.Town game. It's at home. Our shots go in and there's do not. Seems right to me.
They are better than us would be the first reason.
Jr is right. KenPom has us winning by 1. I'd bet the line will be very similar to X but no worse than pick em. Most likely outcome, by a hair, is SJU over Gtown. Objectively, a win would not be a "steal"
I predict they are favored by 5
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If we can steal Gtown or Nova game and beat Marquette, I think Dom wins BE POY
Why must we steal the G.Town game. It's at home. Our shots go in and there's do not. Seems right to me.
They are better than us would be the first reason.
Jr is right. KenPom has us winning by 1. I'd bet the line will be very similar to X but no worse than pick em. Most likely outcome, by a hair, is SJU over Gtown. Objectively, a win would not be a "steal"
I predict they are favored by 5
I know you can't or shouldn't judge too much from one game, but I just don't like the matchup. Every team is bigger than us, but we are more athletic and quicker than most teams. Gtown is also athletic and they have guys who can shoot.
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Dom is the second best player on his own team. Don't see how he can win BE player of the year.
Dom has been our best player in BE play, and I don't know that it's that close. Now if D'lo had stayed healthy, obviously things would be different. But he didn't, and they're not. He even said he's basically playing on one leg (according to the announcers last night). That leaves Dom as the best player we have.
Yes, Dom has been great in BE play. Specially lately. But 3'lo was pre-season first team, the ever rare 2000 point scorer, 3rd scorer all-time and if you compare their numbers on the season, Harrison still looks good. The coaches will see Mullin...Sealy...Harrison and act accordingly. I would be surprised if Dom's leap frogged him to take his spot on the 1st team and/or to be P of the Y.
So, because he was expected have the better season before the season started, he is more deserving now?
No, but I think it's a factor.
Do you think conference games get weighted more than non-conference in selecting BE P of the Y?
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Dom is the second best player on his own team. Don't see how he can win BE player of the year.
Dom has been our best player in BE play, and I don't know that it's that close. Now if D'lo had stayed healthy, obviously things would be different. But he didn't, and they're not. He even said he's basically playing on one leg (according to the announcers last night). That leaves Dom as the best player we have.
Yes, Dom has been great in BE play. Specially lately. But 3'lo was pre-season first team, the ever rare 2000 point scorer, 3rd scorer all-time and if you compare their numbers on the season, Harrison still looks good. The coaches will see Mullin...Sealy...Harrison and act accordingly. I would be surprised if Dom's leap frogged him to take his spot on the 1st team and/or to be P of the Y.
So, because he was expected have the better season before the season started, he is more deserving now?
No, but I think it's a factor.
Do you think conference games get weighted more than non-conference in selecting BE P of the Y?
I believe it's only based on conference games, but I'm not sure about that
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Per Zags:
http://zagsblog.com/articles/villanovas-darrun-hilliard-the-favorite-for-big-east-player-of-the-year/
NEW YORK — With only a handful of games left in the regular season, Villanova senior guard Darrun Hilliard appears to be a virtual lock for Big East Player of the Year honors.
In an informal poll of Big East head coaches, more than half told SNY.tv that the 6-foot-6 guard would get their vote. Providence’s Kris Dunn, Providence’s LaDontae Henton and Villanova’s Ryan Arcidiacono each garnered at least one vote. (Villanova coach Jay Wright cannot vote for his own player.)
Whatever.
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Harrison on Pointer: "He's the player of the year. Must be. Easily. #sjubb
-Braziller tweet
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Harrison on Pointer: "He's the player of the year. Must be. Easily. #sjubb
-Braziller tweet
I've been trolling (using that term loosely, I think I did it twice) ESPN comments sections posting things telling people to take a look at Dom's stats and play in regards to the wooden award and whatnot.
I know it's menial and useless, but it makes me feel like I'm doing my part to help, lol.
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If we can steal Gtown or Nova game and beat Marquette, I think Dom wins BE POY
Why must we steal the G.Town game. It's at home. Our shots go in and there's do not. Seems right to me.
They are better than us would be the first reason.
Jr is right. KenPom has us winning by 1. I'd bet the line will be very similar to X but no worse than pick em. Most likely outcome, by a hair, is SJU over Gtown. Objectively, a win would not be a "steal"
I predict they are favored by 5
I know you can't or shouldn't judge too much from one game, but I just don't like the matchup. Every team is bigger than us, but we are more athletic and quicker than most teams. Gtown is also athletic and they have guys who can shoot.
"Basketball isn't for big people...it's for basketball players"......Mugsy Bogues
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/villanovas-darrun-hilliard-the-favorite-for-big-east-player-of-the-year/
No one voting for Dom apparently. Should he win? I am not sure but I would vote for him but I am extremely biased. I think he should no doubt be in the conversation but it doesn't seem like he really is. My thinking when evaluating these awards is how good would the team be without him. Without Hilliard Nova is still stacked but obviously not a top ten team most likely. Without Dunn or without Pointer PC and SJU are going nowhere.
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Dom might get the Most Improved Player as a reward for his outstanding play this season. Unfortunately, I don't think he can get votes for BE Player of the Year for a team that has a .500 record.
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I think Hilliard is the right pick and I love Dom so so much.
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It should be Kris Dunn. But some favor best player on best team. Hopefully Dom gets a vote or 2
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Awards come and go; the tournament would last forever.
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If it's betters best player on the best team the it's clear who it is. If it's jsut the best all around player who impacts his team the most it's Dunn or Pointer.
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After john gasaways latest top 25 college basketball players (insider) didn't include Dom I decided to email him, pointing out doms stats in his last 10 and respectfully asking him to carefully consider him for the list or even an honorable mention next time.
Shock of all shocks, gasaway emailed me back the next day. He agreed that sirdom has been tremendous inside the arc and noted that his shot blocking is probably underappreciated because of obekpa. He said he definitely has been following sir'doms two way excellence and the hardest thing about the top 25 players is there are so many worthy options.
Really impressed he took the time to wrote me back and who knows, w a win against gtown and another impressive performance maybe sir'dom will appear on gasaways list next week. Fingers crossed.
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That's commendable of him.
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I think Hilliard is the right pick and I love Dom so so much.
Nova probably wins every game they've won this year without Hillard. It's probably the opposite with Dom Pointer and St.John's.
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I think Hilliard is the right pick and I love Dom so so much.
Nova probably wins every game they've won this year without Hillard. It's probably the opposite with Dom Pointer and St.John's.
Off the top of my head they would not have won @ Butler without him.
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The Dominator getting more respect--Player of the week in the BE as announced today. If he continues his performance over the last 2 games and we are successful in both, who knows as far as POY. Funny but watching footage of Mase with the Knicks this w/e in memory of him, it reminded me of what The Dominator does for us.
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Dom named CBS Sports player of the week.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25086940/cbssportscom-player-of-the-week-sjus-sirdominic-pointer
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NBc sports player of week too
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/02/522034/
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Hilliard has struggled the last two games. Dunn and Henton are likely to split a lot of votes. If Dom goes out and lights it up the last few games he has a real shot here. If someone told you Dom would be a among the 2-3 favorites for the BE player of the year 5 months ago we would have ripped them apart. Really glad for the either way but would love him to win for himself and the program.
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Hillard must feel the Dominator breathing down his neck.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/zagsblog-all-big-east-selections/
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I think one of the problems will be that Dom has only won player of the week once. Even if he stands out today and Saturday, that's two, at most.
Henton, Dunn, even D'angelo all have 2 or more wins.
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http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/screencap-classix-this-actually-happened-in-the-middle-1689630968/+bubbaprog
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Sir Dom certainly made right decision choosing hoops over boxing.