6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: JohnnyJungle on February 21, 2015, 02:37:13 PM
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I think at minimum St. John's needs to go 2-2 in final four games. I think 3-1 to be extremely safe. However in both those scenarios I think it is essential to beat Xavier. This will solidify St. John's finishing top 5 in the conference.
Would be great to sweep Xavier, Marquette and split with Nova or Georgetown.
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2-2 should get STJ in as long as one of the losses ISNT MQ.
If they beat Nova and another team at this point, that should punch it in if Nova does not stumble at any point forward. Winning a game in the BET gets us far away from the play in game.
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3-1. Or 2-2 w a win in the BE tourney.
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3 more wins before selection sunday to be somewhat comfortable. 4 more to be in for sure. Only 2 more and today wouldn't have been the last time these guys play in CA
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Go 9-9 and lose 1st BET, we are either last 4 in or first 4 out. (20-12) :-\
Win 3 and we are around a 10/11 seed. (21-11) ::)
Win more than 3 games 8/9 game. :D
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3 wins, anyway.
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Yeah I think 3 more wins does it regardless of who.
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Yeah I think 3 more wins does it regardless of who.
I haven't done all the scenarios but if somehow they win 3 and finish in 6th I think they'll be on the bubble. I thought Lavin was smart in post game confidently saying Big East will get 6. Start that train now.
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
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I disagree with you there Baldi. If we beat Xavier, Gtown and Marquette we are definitely in because of the # of top 50 wins, combined with the SOL, a few top 25 RPI wins, and even more wins when you consider the top 100.
The SOL is very good even with the D-2 win.
If we had a good RPI but no wins in the top 50 and only a few (or none) in the top 100 we'd be in trouble. But we didn't have the above last year when I think we were probably a Big East tourney win over Providence from getting in (though some speculate we needed 2).
2-2 may need a win in the BE tournament to get over the hump
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I've been on the same number since conference play started: 21. I think 21 wins is basically a lock. 20 wins and around 50/50. 19 and out.
It would be interesting if we beat xavier and finish with 19 or 20 wins. It would seem hard to keep out sju but let in providence and xavier as the last two big east teams. While the whole body of work matters, those 4 games are certainly a big part of the body of work.
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Yeah I think 3 more wins does it regardless of who.
I haven't done all the scenarios but if somehow they win 3 and finish in 6th I think they'll be on the bubble. I thought Lavin was smart in post game confidently saying Big East will get 6. Start that train now.
You are probably right - I guess my thinking is if we go 2-2 and finish 6th but then win our first round game against the 3 seed, that would hopefully be enough. But 3 more plus top 5 is definitely a better scenario.
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21 wins any which way
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I think at minimum St. John's needs to go 2-2 in final four games. I think 3-1 to be extremely safe. However in both those scenarios I think it is essential to beat Xavier. This will solidify St. John's finishing top 5 in the conference.
Would be great to sweep Xavier, Marquette and split with Nova or Georgetown.
IMO, if they finish 2-2, they'll need at least 1 or 2 wins in the BET
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keep winning
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At least 5 games left. 3 are at the garden. 1 is vs a bottom team in the big east . No excuses. It starts Monday . 8:00 sucks, Still get ur asses to the garden
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At least 5 games left. 3 are at the garden. 1 is vs a bottom team in the big east . No excuses. It starts Monday . 8:00 sucks, Still get ur asses to the garden
Marquette is a bottom team, but winning there is not going to be easy. Carlino was a real pain in the ass for us last game (until Lavin finally put Sir'Dom on him).
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
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2-2 would mean we need to win one in the BE tourney. We can earn an at large IMO if we finish 3-1. I don't expect us to beat Nova, but it's not out of the question if Lavin can get something out of our bench. The guys need a breather. Today it was enough. Xavier and GTown will be ready. Those are tough teams, and we're gonna need guys like Alibegovic, Delarosa and Balamou to contribute.
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
Yeah we need 3 more wins total, which I think is what pretty much everyone has been saying. Problem is I do not see us beating Nova or Gtown. So that means we HAVE to beat Xavier which will be a tough game again than take care of business vs Marquette. That would make our 1st BET game a play in. So basically a lot of work to do.
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
Yeah we need 3 more wins total, which I think is what pretty much everyone has been saying. Problem is I do not see us beating Nova or Gtown. So that means we HAVE to beat Xavier which will be a tough game again than take care of business vs Marquette. That would make our 1st BET game a play in. So basically a lot of work to do.
I don't see us beating Villanova, but I do see us winning next Saturday versus G'town. I have us going 10-8 to finish out the conference season.
IMO, we'll be fine by the time the Big East tournament starts. ;)
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
Yeah we need 3 more wins total, which I think is what pretty much everyone has been saying. Problem is I do not see us beating Nova or Gtown. So that means we HAVE to beat Xavier which will be a tough game again than take care of business vs Marquette. That would make our 1st BET game a play in. So basically a lot of work to do.
I don't see us beating Villanova, but I do see us winning next Saturday versus G'town. I have us going 10-8 to finish out the conference season.
IMO, we'll be fine by the time the Big East tournament starts. ;)
Right about now is when the team should be kicking themselves for DePaul and Creighton games
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
Yeah we need 3 more wins total, which I think is what pretty much everyone has been saying. Problem is I do not see us beating Nova or Gtown. So that means we HAVE to beat Xavier which will be a tough game again than take care of business vs Marquette. That would make our 1st BET game a play in. So basically a lot of work to do.
I don't see us beating Villanova, but I do see us winning next Saturday versus G'town. I have us going 10-8 to finish out the conference season.
IMO, we'll be fine by the time the Big East tournament starts. ;)
Right about now is when the team should be kicking themselves for DePaul and Creighton games
Agree.
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Cannot look passed Marquette
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
Yeah we need 3 more wins total, which I think is what pretty much everyone has been saying. Problem is I do not see us beating Nova or Gtown. So that means we HAVE to beat Xavier which will be a tough game again than take care of business vs Marquette. That would make our 1st BET game a play in. So basically a lot of work to do.
I don't see us beating Villanova, but I do see us winning next Saturday versus G'town. I have us going 10-8 to finish out the conference season.
IMO, we'll be fine by the time the Big East tournament starts. ;)
Right about now is when the team should be kicking themselves for DePaul and Creighton games
Unlike us these kids don't spend time looking in the rear view mirror.
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3 wins and we are in. 2 wins and we are sweating but the bubble is so weak, with our decent OOC wins and no bad OOC losses we will still probably make it.
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Cannot look passed Marquette
True. The team can't look past Marquette, but we're not playing, so I'm gonna give us a win there.
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
Yeah we need 3 more wins total, which I think is what pretty much everyone has been saying. Problem is I do not see us beating Nova or Gtown. So that means we HAVE to beat Xavier which will be a tough game again than take care of business vs Marquette. That would make our 1st BET game a play in. So basically a lot of work to do.
I don't see us beating Villanova, but I do see us winning next Saturday versus G'town. I have us going 10-8 to finish out the conference season.
IMO, we'll be fine by the time the Big East tournament starts. ;)
Right about now is when the team should be kicking themselves for DePaul and Creighton games
Unlike us these kids don't spend time looking in the rear view mirror.
Hope I never get stuck driving behind one of them then.
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
Yeah we need 3 more wins total, which I think is what pretty much everyone has been saying. Problem is I do not see us beating Nova or Gtown. So that means we HAVE to beat Xavier which will be a tough game again than take care of business vs Marquette. That would make our 1st BET game a play in. So basically a lot of work to do.
I don't see us beating Villanova, but I do see us winning next Saturday versus G'town. I have us going 10-8 to finish out the conference season.
IMO, we'll be fine by the time the Big East tournament starts. ;)
Right about now is when the team should be kicking themselves for DePaul and Creighton games
They'd be just about a tourney lock today with those 2 wins. Man those really do hurt.
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
Yeah we need 3 more wins total, which I think is what pretty much everyone has been saying. Problem is I do not see us beating Nova or Gtown. So that means we HAVE to beat Xavier which will be a tough game again than take care of business vs Marquette. That would make our 1st BET game a play in. So basically a lot of work to do.
I don't see us beating Villanova, but I do see us winning next Saturday versus G'town. I have us going 10-8 to finish out the conference season.
IMO, we'll be fine by the time the Big East tournament starts. ;)
Right about now is when the team should be kicking themselves for DePaul and Creighton games
They'd be just about a tourney lock today with those 2 wins. Man those really do hurt.
Yup 20-7 9-5 also probably ranked
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2 more wins gets us to Dayton. 3 wins and we don't have to sweat it out.
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I think top 6 get in as long as we're all .500 or better. Today was a good day for the BE bubble (so far).
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We need to win on Monday.
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If we beat Xavier and win one more, we're in--might be a play-in game, but we're in.
Three total wins eliminates any and all doubt and removes us from play-in game.
RPI is at 37 and will rise with win over top 100 Seton Hall. 31 SOS that will only improve with @Nova, Gtown, and Xavier coming up + @ Marquette and at least one neutral court tournament game.
Xavier is a really huge game. If they win on the road, we'll never be able to catch their RPI, almost certainly surrender 5th place to them, skyrocket them over us on the at-large totem pole. However, a sweep of them will really give us a big advantage in the at-large process, a better RPI, a good chance to finish fifth with control of the tie-breaker, and leave us with two less losses than them.
I understand people are worried about wins because of last season, but there is really no comparing the two years. We finished with a 65 RPI last year. We are an Xavier win at MSG away from being inside 30 this year.
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Regardless of what it takes to get in (and I agree 3 more wins in some fashion locks it up), but I would really love to see this team finally win a Big East Tournament game.
It's a sin that this group has never even been a threat in the conference tournament on their own court. In some ways making a run there could mean more to these seniors than a 1st or 2nd round loss in the ncaas
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I agree Desco.. would be nice to see this group win a conference tournament. But what would u and your buddy baldi have to complain about then? Maybe start a few more threads about how the world is not fair.
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Regardless of what it takes to get in (and I agree 3 more wins in some fashion locks it up), but I would really love to see this team finally win a Big East Tournament game.
It's a sin that this group has never even been a threat in the conference tournament on their own court. In some ways making a run there could mean more to these seniors than a 1st or 2nd round loss in the ncaas
Agreed. I think we are just expressing the minimum to get us over the threshold, but I think we can finish 3-1 and win two games in the tournament. If we're a tournament team, there is no reason we can't finally win a tournament game in our own city. We've had a truly pathetic run since winning the Big East in 2000.
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
Yeah we need 3 more wins total, which I think is what pretty much everyone has been saying. Problem is I do not see us beating Nova or Gtown. So that means we HAVE to beat Xavier which will be a tough game again than take care of business vs Marquette. That would make our 1st BET game a play in. So basically a lot of work to do.
I don't see us beating Villanova, but I do see us winning next Saturday versus G'town. I have us going 10-8 to finish out the conference season.
IMO, we'll be fine by the time the Big East tournament starts. ;)
Right about now is when the team should be kicking themselves for DePaul and Creighton games
They'd be just about a tourney lock today with those 2 wins. Man those really do hurt.
Yup 20-7 9-5 also probably ranked
The team should be kicking themselves for loses from a month ago? Now is not the time to focus on games we could have won. We could have just as easily lost at Providence or at Xavier. Our resume is what it is, only thing to is look forward. Take care of business in the next four and those are meaningless.
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
Yeah we need 3 more wins total, which I think is what pretty much everyone has been saying. Problem is I do not see us beating Nova or Gtown. So that means we HAVE to beat Xavier which will be a tough game again than take care of business vs Marquette. That would make our 1st BET game a play in. So basically a lot of work to do.
I don't see us beating Villanova, but I do see us winning next Saturday versus G'town. I have us going 10-8 to finish out the conference season.
IMO, we'll be fine by the time the Big East tournament starts. ;)
Right about now is when the team should be kicking themselves for DePaul and Creighton games
They'd be just about a tourney lock today with those 2 wins. Man those really do hurt.
Yup 20-7 9-5 also probably ranked
The team should be kicking themselves for loses from a month ago? Now is not the time to focus on games we could have won. We could have just as easily lost at Providence or at Xavier. Our resume is what it is, only thing to is look forward. Take care of business in the next four and those are meaningless.
Yes because 2 of those games I believe are unwinnable. Going 3-2 puts them in IMO but it is not going to be easy. They are better than the position they put themselves in.
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
Yeah we need 3 more wins total, which I think is what pretty much everyone has been saying. Problem is I do not see us beating Nova or Gtown. So that means we HAVE to beat Xavier which will be a tough game again than take care of business(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) vs Marquette. That would make our 1st BET game a play in. So basically a lot of work to do.
I don't see us beating Villanova, but I do see us winning next Saturday versus G'town. I have us going 10-8 to finish out the conference season.
IMO, we'll be fine by the time the Big East tournament starts. ;)
Right about now is when the team should be kicking themselves for DePaul and Creighton games
They'd be just about a tourney lock today with those 2 wins. Man those really do hurt.
Yup 20-7 9-5 also probably ranked
The team should be kicking themselves for loses from a month ago? Now is not the time to focus on games we could have won. We could have just as easily lost at Providence or at Xavier. Our resume is what it is, only thing to is look forward. Take care of business(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) in the next four and those are meaningless.
Let's be thankful too.
We were on the verge of imploding with dlo's nagging injury(ies), RJ struggling through his struggles, and CO up and down and nicked up. I feel fortunate they have the chance to finish this off on a very good note. Nothing is easy in life - they have to take it end of season and conference tourney time.
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IMO. Absolutely need to beat Xavier and Marquette, and split the Nova/Grown. We need help too. That D2 win is biting us in the arse, useless game
Need help? Please! #37 RPI rating and #31 SOS. The Johnnies control their own destiny.
2-2 and a win in the Big East tournament will put the Johnnies in. 3-1, and we'll be in prior to the start of the Big East tournament.
Yeah we need 3 more wins total, which I think is what pretty much everyone has been saying. Problem is I do not see us beating Nova or Gtown. So that means we HAVE to beat Xavier which will be a tough game again than take care of business vs Marquette. That would make our 1st BET game a play in. So basically a lot of work to do.
I don't see us beating Villanova, but I do see us winning next Saturday versus G'town. I have us going 10-8 to finish out the conference season.
IMO, we'll be fine by the time the Big East tournament starts. ;)
Right about now is when the team should be kicking themselves for DePaul and Creighton games
They'd be just about a tourney lock today with those 2 wins. Man those really do hurt.
I don't regret the Depaul game as we had all our players and just lost a close one to a team having a beyond exceptional day from the line.
It's the home Butler and road Creighton losses that I regret. There's no way of knowing, but I feel we win these two with Savior playing or playing more than 7 minutes, respectively.
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I think to make the dance (and not be sweating on selection Sunday)we need one of the following :
A. 1 win against Villanova or Georgetown; or
B. Win against Marquette and win in BE Tourney
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I think to make the dance (and not be sweating on selection Sunday)we need one of the following :
A. 1 win against Villanova or Georgetown; or
B. Win against Marquette and win in BE Tourney
So you think if we beat Gtown and lose our next 2 in conference and lose 1st game in Be tourney we make it? No way
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I think to make the dance (and not be sweating on selection Sunday)we need one of the following :
A. 1 win against Villanova or Georgetown; or
B. Win against Marquette and win in BE Tourney
Agreed. Might just be that as long as we beat Marquette we're in, but the extra win would make it much more comfortable.
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22 wins any which way and we are in, and in decent shape. 21 just get in 20 and we need major help.
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I think to make the dance (and not be sweating on selection Sunday)we need one of the following :
A. 1 win against Villanova or Georgetown; or
B. Win against Marquette and win in BE Tourney
You got it Kid. These two scenarios are our tickets to the dance.
We are so close now I can taste it.
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I think to make the dance (and not be sweating on selection Sunday)we need one of the following :
A. 1 win against Villanova or Georgetown; or
B. Win against Marquette and win in BE Tourney
So you think if we beat Gtown and lose our next 2 in conference and lose 1st game in Be tourney we make it? No way
Agreed, need 2 more. Get the Georgetown and Marquette games. I want to relax @ Nova and in the B.E. Tourny. After that beating Nova would be Butter.