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Title: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 22, 2014, 07:21:11 PM
Tough position to rank.
lets hear it


1.) Ledontae Henton PROV - Does a little bit of everything and also does it well. Very good rebounder, very capable shooter. Makes impact on the game without having to dominate the ball.

2.) Roosevelt Jones BUT - Will be interesting to see how he does coming back from injury and adapting to the BE. Shown that he is as versatile a player as there is in this conference.

3.) Josh Hart NOVA - This is a kid that I feel is going to blow up. Will step in nicely in Bell's absence. Reminds me of Kawhi Leonard.

4.) Kellen Dunham BUT - Wasn't sure if I should put him as a SG or SF but went with SF. Really good scorer, not just a shooter, defense is suspect.

5.) Jabril Trawick GTOWN - Chose him over Burton and Harris. Love his toughness and defense. Will be happy to see him graduate.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: QuanMan on September 22, 2014, 07:42:36 PM
Deonte Burton (SG/SF?) is going to make big strides this year, very strong and versatile.

Brandon Mobley also put on 20 lbs of muscle according to Willard, he could make a quantum leap but needs to speed up his motor.

Idk why I'm in the minority, but Dom is the best defensive guard in the Big East. Absolute ball hawk.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Poison on September 22, 2014, 07:50:48 PM
Deonte Burton (SG/SF?) is going to make big strides this year, very strong and versatile.

Brandon Mobley also put on 20 lbs of muscle according to Willard, he could make a quantum leap but needs to speed up his motor.

Idk why I'm in the minority, but Dom is the best defensive guard in the Big East. Absolute ball hawk.

At times, Dom was great, but it wasn't often, and it wasn't against top competition. Might be the most overrated player we've had in 20 years.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 22, 2014, 07:56:32 PM
Deonte Burton (SG/SF?) is going to make big strides this year, very strong and versatile.

Brandon Mobley also put on 20 lbs of muscle according to Willard, he could make a quantum leap but needs to speed up his motor.

Idk why I'm in the minority, but Dom is the best defensive guard in the Big East. Absolute ball hawk.

I couldnt disagree with you more about dom being the best defensive anything in the big east. But thats just me.

Mobley is talented but more of a PF.

Like Burton, almost made my list.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: QuanMan on September 22, 2014, 07:57:50 PM
Much like a huge chunk of last year's roster, be it rotation patterns/dispersed playing time, Dom never found his groove, and was in Lavs doghouse by season's end.

Poison, you're using the past tense here, his senior season hasn't even started, Dom is going to go to work this year, trust!
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 22, 2014, 08:00:30 PM
Much like a huge chunk of last year's roster, be it rotation patterns/dispersed playing time, Dom never found his groove, and was in Lavs doghouse by season's end.

Poison, you're using the past tense here, his senior season hasn't even started, Dom is going to go to work this year, trust!

Agree with your fist statement. And hope you are right about your second. SF is my biggest concern this year, but if Dom can bounce back and learn how control himself he could be a big asset.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Marco Baldi on September 22, 2014, 08:09:16 PM
Tough position to rank.
lets hear it


1.) Ledontae Henton PROV - Does a little bit of everything and also does it well. Very good rebounder, very capable shooter. Makes impact on the game without having to dominate the ball.

2.) Roosevelt Jones BUT - Will be interesting to see how he does coming back from injury and adapting to the BE. Shown that he is as versatile a player as there is in this conference.

3.) Josh Hart NOVA - This is a kid that I feel is going to blow up. Will step in nicely in Bell's absence. Reminds me of Kawhi Leonard.

4.) Kellen Dunham BUT - Wasn't sure if I should put him as a SG or SF but went with SF. Really good scorer, not just a shooter, defense is suspect.

5.) Jabril Trawick GTOWN - Chose him over Burton and Harris. Love his toughness and defense. Will be happy to see him graduate.

Who, who who and who?
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: TONYD3 on September 22, 2014, 08:11:43 PM
Not sure where Dom falls on this list. Think he has a very good season. Dont think he will a liability.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Poison on September 23, 2014, 01:41:50 AM
Much like a huge chunk of last year's roster, be it rotation patterns/dispersed playing time, Dom never found his groove, and was in Lavs doghouse by season's end.

Poison, you're using the past tense here, his senior season hasn't even started, Dom is going to go to work this year, trust!

Why do you think Dom is going to go to work? He has been a hot mess since arriving here. Seniors can get it together, and stranger things have happened, like David Cain, for example. That said, how can any STJ fan who's watched Dom play the last 3 seasons have any expectations anymore?

It would be great for if he could finally realize his potential, but I don't see it. I'd be thrilled if he played well enough to be a 6th man, and a defensive stopper-something he gets a lot of credit for, but actually doesn't do against high major programs.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: paultzman on September 23, 2014, 08:36:47 AM
Much like a huge chunk of last year's roster, be it rotation patterns/dispersed playing time, Dom never found his groove, and was in Lavs doghouse by season's end.

Poison, you're using the past tense here, his senior season hasn't even started, Dom is going to go to work this year, trust!

Why do you think Dom is going to go to work? He has been a hot mess since arriving here. Seniors can get it together, and stranger things have happened, like David Cain, for example. That said, how can any STJ fan who's watched Dom play the last 3 seasons have any expectations anymore?

It would be great for if he could finally realize his potential, but I don't see it. I'd be thrilled if he played well enough to be a 6th man, and a defensive stopper-something he gets a lot of credit for, but actually doesn't do against high major programs.

Unfortunately Dom is a good athlete with a low basketball IQ. His decision making is poor & we often confuse his ESPN highlight plays with solid defense. Seldom do guys without basic basketball skills & instincts suddenly blossom. Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: pmg911 on September 23, 2014, 12:31:43 PM
Deonte Burton (SG/SF?) is going to make big strides this year, very strong and versatile.

Brandon Mobley also put on 20 lbs of muscle according to Willard, he could make a quantum leap but needs to speed up his motor.

Idk why I'm in the minority, but Dom is the best defensive guard in the Big East. Absolute ball hawk.

Mobley has so much potential but he has been a huge disappointment for SHU - kid has a ton of talent and can shoot for a bigger guy.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: TONYD3 on September 23, 2014, 12:33:17 PM
Can't understand how obekpa is a future number 1 pick and great defender and dom  Is just athletic player who is a bad defender with no basketball IQ. Very similar players to me. Both guys can play smarter. Both need more skill. Both were overrated coming in . Think the hate on dom is going to far.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Wods317 on September 23, 2014, 01:06:19 PM
I honestly think Dom is portrayed pretty fairly. He hasn't done anything of note against top competition on a consistent basis in his whole career here. He is athletic but doesn't play smart and is not a threat at all in the half court. He plays hard but he makes freshman type mistakes in getting T'd up and turning the ball over. He just hasn't improved at all really, he came on campus with a low game IQ and no half court game and he is like that entering his senior year. That is on the coaching staff as well but hopefully he can contribute this year but I don't see him playing a whole lot. Tony you are right about Obepka too, has some skill but doesn't rebound or score very well. He has more potential then Dom but in year 3, it is now or never for him I think.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: desco80 on September 23, 2014, 01:08:19 PM
Dom has his faults, clearly.   But his game has improved.  His ball handling is noticeably better, and his foul shooting has gone from 54% to 65% to 73% last season.     

We have a ton of guys on our roster who barely improve at all, that cannot be said about Dom Pointer.   

He has his weaknesses as a player, but far too often he has been asked to play out of position, which only magnifies those weaknesses.    We ask him to bring the ball up and we don't run plays for pointer on offense, and on defense he's asked to guard smaller quicker point guards or play the top of the zone, which leaves him too far from the basket to be a factor on the boards.

This team has bigger problems than Dom Pointer.   He's unselfish, is asked to play out of position, and he's improved each season.   I can live with that.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Foad on September 23, 2014, 01:43:45 PM
He hasn't done anything of note against top competition on a consistent basis in his whole career here.

Except throw punches
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 23, 2014, 04:45:18 PM

This team has bigger problems than Dom Pointer.   He's unselfish, is asked to play out of position, and he's improved each season.   I can live with that.

Desco, didn"t dom pretty much play exclusively small forward last year? And man, he improved? No way in hell did he improve over his sophomore year. No way!
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Poison on September 23, 2014, 06:55:43 PM
Dom has his faults, clearly.   But his game has improved.  His ball handling is noticeably better, and his foul shooting has gone from 54% to 65% to 73% last season.     

We have a ton of guys on our roster who barely improve at all, that cannot be said about Dom Pointer.   

He has his weaknesses as a player, but far too often he has been asked to play out of position, which only magnifies those weaknesses.    We ask him to bring the ball up and we don't run plays for pointer on offense, and on defense he's asked to guard smaller quicker point guards or play the top of the zone, which leaves him too far from the basket to be a factor on the boards.

This team has bigger problems than Dom Pointer.   He's unselfish, is asked to play out of position, and he's improved each season.   I can live with that.

Defenders give Dom as much room as he wants to shoot the ball, and he won't shoot it. He doesn't start for good reason. That's just one of them.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: TONYD3 on September 23, 2014, 08:07:03 PM
I can find major faults with all of our players. That's why we didn't make the tournament. For some reason it bothers me that certain guys are held at high such high regard and others aren't. Dom hasn't lived up to the hype, neither has Jordan, and definitely not Obekpa. These guys are potential lottery picks and Dom is a dummy. This makes no sense to me. They all have to play well and get better for us to be good.
I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.
This team goes as far as Harrison and Jordan can take them.If they play well we are going to have fun. If not it doesnt matter who starts at the 4 or the 3.
 
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 23, 2014, 08:18:15 PM

I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.

 

Marcus Camby boxed out more times in one game than Dom has in full seasons.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: desco80 on September 23, 2014, 08:52:09 PM

This team has bigger problems than Dom Pointer.   He's unselfish, is asked to play out of position, and he's improved each season.   I can live with that.

Desco, didn"t dom pretty much play exclusively small forward last year? And man, he improved? No way in hell did he improve over his sophomore year. No way!

He played more sf than in either of the previous two seasons, that's true.  But when have we ever run a play for dom? 
My recollection is that any time he shot the ball iy was because the other options weren't open, and he had to throw up a prayer with the shot clock winding down.

Listen, he's a flawed player, I'm not saying otherwise.  I just think he's unselfish and has improved his game, and I respect that. I also truly think he has been utilized wrong.
He's also a bit of a punk on the court, and he loses some respect from me there.  but frankly that seems to be contagious with this team. 
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 23, 2014, 10:06:34 PM

This team has bigger problems than Dom Pointer.   He's unselfish, is asked to play out of position, and he's improved each season.   I can live with that.



Desco, didn"t dom pretty much play exclusively small forward last year? And man, he improved? No way in hell did he improve over his sophomore year. No way!

He played more sf than in either of the previous two seasons, that's true.  But when have we ever run a play for dom? 
My recollection is that any time he shot the ball iy was because the other options weren't open, and he had to throw up a prayer with the shot clock winding down.

Listen, he's a flawed player, I'm not saying otherwise.  I just think he's unselfish and has improved his game, and I respect that. I also truly think he has been utilized wrong.
He's also a bit of a punk on the court, and he loses some respect from me there.  but frankly that seems to be contagious with this team. 

I'll give you that. He dose seem to have a tendency to be a spark plug.

Dom is just a bit too reckless for me. I like players that are able to keep control. Nova always seems to have those types of players. Tyler Ennis was that type of player. Briscoe will most definitely be that type of player. I do think Dom could be a real valuable asset, his energy and athletic ability are outstanding, but his knowledge and understanding leave much to be desired.

Its like this, when the other team takes a shot, all I want dom to do is crash the boards. If he gets it, he can push it himself. If ANYONE else gets it, run the floor and do not call for the outlet. That should be Doms game. Unfortunately he doesnt think so.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Johnny23 on September 24, 2014, 08:07:40 AM
Pointer is a liability when he's on the floor, plain and simple. Unless he had a basketball IQ transplant in the offseason, I expect the same frenetic, scattered play from him this season. Hopefully he's not on the floor too much except for defense.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Poison on September 24, 2014, 11:30:01 AM
Bottom line is that nowhere has his game really improved at all. If anything, he was much better as a sophomore, than he was last year. In the game against Providence, he had two layups blocked because he decided not to go up strong. What a time to make a decision like that. Where's the leadership? Where's the fire? He brought the fire to the Youngstown State game, in more ways than one. But that seems to be the level where he'd be the star. The BE, even with the watered down teams from last year, still overwhelmed him in just about every game against a good team.

Let's see if Dom Pointer can shock us all and give the team a David Cain-like senior season. Miracle? No. Chances? On a guess, I'd say 1 in 25.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Foad on September 24, 2014, 11:52:23 AM
Bottom line is that nowhere has his game really improved at all. If anything, he was much better as a sophomore, than he was last year. In the game against Providence, he had two layups blocked because he decided not to go up strong. What a time to make a decision like that. Where's the leadership? Where's the fire? He brought the fire to the Youngstown State game, in more ways than one. But that seems to be the level where he'd be the star. The BE, even with the watered down teams from last year, still overwhelmed him in just about every game against a good team.

Let's see if Dom Pointer can shock us all and give the team a David Cain-like senior season. Miracle? No. Chances? On a guess, I'd say 1 in 25.

I'd settle for a Donald Emanuel-like surprisingly adequate senior year.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Poison on September 24, 2014, 12:20:37 PM
Bottom line is that nowhere has his game really improved at all. If anything, he was much better as a sophomore, than he was last year. In the game against Providence, he had two layups blocked because he decided not to go up strong. What a time to make a decision like that. Where's the leadership? Where's the fire? He brought the fire to the Youngstown State game, in more ways than one. But that seems to be the level where he'd be the star. The BE, even with the watered down teams from last year, still overwhelmed him in just about every game against a good team.

Let's see if Dom Pointer can shock us all and give the team a David Cain-like senior season. Miracle? No. Chances? On a guess, I'd say 1 in 25.

I'd settle for a Donald Emanuel-like surprisingly adequate senior year.

That's not nothing. Emanuel was pretty good his last year. But that guy always played hard. Even when he had no business being out there.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Tiznow on September 24, 2014, 10:03:06 PM

I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.

 

Marcus Camby boxed out more times in one game than Dom has in full seasons.

You can say that about nearly all of the last year's team.  This is a good example of the Johnny fan base singling out one kid to express their frustration with the team.   
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 24, 2014, 10:05:05 PM

I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.

 

Marcus Camby boxed out more times in one game than Dom has in full seasons.

You can say that about nearly all of the last year's team.  This is a good example of the Johnny fan base singling out one kid to express their frustration with the team.   

Good example of you singling out a poster to express frustration with the fan base.

Dom boxed out less than any other player in the rotation. And you are right, that really is saying something.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Tiznow on September 24, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
Deonte Burton (SG/SF?) is going to make big strides this year, very strong and versatile.

Brandon Mobley also put on 20 lbs of muscle according to Willard, he could make a quantum leap but needs to speed up his motor.

Idk why I'm in the minority, but Dom is the best defensive guard in the Big East. Absolute ball hawk.

QaunMan, I'm in the minority with you. 
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Tiznow on September 24, 2014, 10:12:21 PM

I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.

 

Marcus Camby boxed out more times in one game than Dom has in full seasons.

You can say that about nearly all of the last year's team.  This is a good example of the Johnny fan base singling out one kid to express their frustration with the team.   

Good example of you singling out a poster to express frustration with the fan base.

Dom boxed out less than any other player in the rotation. And you are right, that really is saying something.

The dopes who booed the kid during the last game of the season deserve it.  The only thing more disappointing to the teams finish is our pathetic fan base.  How about you show us the stats on the lack of boxing out?
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: QuanMan on September 24, 2014, 11:10:23 PM
Dom is all heart, and has been the understated leader of this team for the past 3 years. When he's rolling everyone else follows suit and is suddenly clicking on all cylinders.

He's saved countless games with his tenacity and swarming defense. His intangibles are immeasurable, and often times overlooked. His value surpasses the box score.

Does he struggle to create his own shot off the dribble? Yes. Has he gradually improved his overall offensive game over the past 3 years? Absolutely. More importantly, he's a defensive specialist, a damn good one, and is getting listed on 2015 Mock Drafts for that very reason.

Biedscheid deserved to get knocked out that night in South Bend btw. He was the instigator, and soon transferred out of ND. I think he's still icing his jaw. Kid didn't know he was trash talking with someone who grew up boxing in Detroit.

We're going to need him in numerous ways this year. Give me Dom in my trench hole any day of the week:

“If you go back the last three years, he’s been the catalyst that’s spearheaded every big rally, every big win, and usually put the exclamation point on a victory or is the one to put the final nail in the coffin,” Lavin said of Pointer, who is coming off his best performance of the season, a brilliant 12-point, 11-assist, nine-rebound, four-steal, three-block effort in Saturday’s 104-58 rout of improved Fordham. “We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”

"Dom is one of those players who will be in [the game] for ten minutes, but have ten points, eight blocks, four rebounds, call a timeout and have a travel called against him," Harrison joked about his now third-year teammate.  "He is going to have an impact on every game.  He and [God`s]gift [Achiuwa] are probably the leaders of this team."

“We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”Lavin felt the 6-foot-5 Pointer, a Detroit product, would be a special player his freshman year, after the 6-foot-5 forward single-handedly shut down Lehigh star C.J. McCollum in his second college game, igniting a big comeback. Lehigh and McCollum would reach the Sweet 16 that year, upsetting Duke in the first round. “Dom came in a like a plumber and shut the water off,” Lavin said.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 25, 2014, 06:44:52 AM

I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.

 

Marcus Camby boxed out more times in one game than Dom has in full seasons.

You can say that about nearly all of the last year's team.  This is a good example of the Johnny fan base singling out one kid to express their frustration with the team.   

Good example of you singling out a poster to express frustration with the fan base.

Dom boxed out less than any other player in the rotation. And you are right, that really is saying something.

The dopes who booed the kid during the last game of the season deserve it.  The only thing more disappointing to the teams finish is our pathetic fan base.  How about you show us the stats on the lack of boxing out?

Ive never booed a st johns team in my life and Ive never seen a st johns win. If you watched last years games you would know that I'm not exaggerating. Dom simply doesnt box out. A lot of the other guys just rarely did.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: hoyahooligan on September 25, 2014, 08:33:40 AM
Dom is all heart, and has been the understated leader of this team for the past 3 years. When he's rolling everyone else follows suit and is suddenly clicking on all cylinders.

He's saved countless games with his tenacity and swarming defense. His intangibles are immeasurable, and often times overlooked. His value surpasses the box score.

Does he struggle to create his own shot off the dribble? Yes. Has he gradually improved his overall offensive game over the past 3 years? Absolutely. More importantly, he's a defensive specialist, a damn good one, and is getting listed on 2015 Mock Drafts for that very reason.

Biedscheid deserved to get knocked out that night in South Bend btw. He was the instigator, and soon transferred out of ND. I think he's still icing his jaw. Kid didn't know he was trash talking with someone who grew up boxing in Detroit.

We're going to need him in numerous ways this year. Give me Dom in my trench hole any day of the week:

“If you go back the last three years, he’s been the catalyst that’s spearheaded every big rally, every big win, and usually put the exclamation point on a victory or is the one to put the final nail in the coffin,” Lavin said of Pointer, who is coming off his best performance of the season, a brilliant 12-point, 11-assist, nine-rebound, four-steal, three-block effort in Saturday’s 104-58 rout of improved Fordham. “We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”

"Dom is one of those players who will be in [the game] for ten minutes, but have ten points, eight blocks, four rebounds, call a timeout and have a travel called against him," Harrison joked about his now third-year teammate.  "He is going to have an impact on every game.  He and [God`s]gift [Achiuwa] are probably the leaders of this team."

“We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”Lavin felt the 6-foot-5 Pointer, a Detroit product, would be a special player his freshman year, after the 6-foot-5 forward single-handedly shut down Lehigh star C.J. McCollum in his second college game, igniting a big comeback. Lehigh and McCollum would reach the Sweet 16 that year, upsetting Duke in the first round. “Dom came in a like a plumber and shut the water off,” Lavin said.

What mock draft that you didn't make has pointer on them? not draftexpress or nbadraft.net, which are the 2 usually cited, but the latter isn't even that good.   So much wrong in your post including defending him punching that ND player.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: derk on September 25, 2014, 08:51:05 AM
Much like a huge chunk of last year's roster, be it rotation patterns/dispersed playing time, Dom never found his groove, and was in Lavs doghouse by season's end.

Poison, you're using the past tense here, his senior season hasn't even started, Dom is going to go to work this year, trust!

Why do you think Dom is going to go to work? He has been a hot mess since arriving here. Seniors can get it together, and stranger things have happened, like David Cain, for example. That said, how can any STJ fan who's watched Dom play the last 3 seasons have any expectations anymore?

It would be great for if he could finally realize his potential, but I don't see it. I'd be thrilled if he played well enough to be a 6th man, and a defensive stopper-something he gets a lot of credit for, but actually doesn't do against high major programs.

As a Senior who has played a significant amount of minutes for 3 years, I think we've seen the best of him. Best suited to concentrate on his individual skills, ie play furious defense and run the floor for a few minutes each game.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Poison on September 25, 2014, 09:00:27 AM
Yea, he was the catalyst against Syracuse after Jordan put us up, he got himself dusted by CJ Fair on two consecutive possessions.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Foad on September 25, 2014, 09:50:15 AM
His intangibles are immeasurable and often times overlooked

Everyone's intangibles are immeasurable and being intangible - not having a physical presence - impossible to see. Which sums up Pointer's contributions nicely: you can't observe or count them.

 
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Biedscheid deserved to get knocked out that night in South Bend btw.

Quite. SJU, down 26 on the road, having managed 40 points in 40 minutes, and meanwhile our NBA prospect defensive stopper having spent 34 minutes being schooled by ND's inferior guards, and meanwhile SJU in the midst of a 3-9 death spiral to the NIT. Damned right Biedscheid deserved to get smacked. Somebody did anyway. 

Say what you want about Norm, at least his kids knew how to take a vicious beating.

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“If you go back the last three years, he’s been the catalyst that’s spearheaded every big rally, every big win"

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Fordham
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Lehigh
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“We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”

Yes he's just like Batman, but since the villain is Fordham this is one of those later episodes, when the Caped Crusader battled Louie the Lilac (Milton Berle) and Lord Marmaduke Fffogg (Rudy Vallee).

I'm just happy Lavin recruited a super hero who could lead us to the NIT. Imagine how bad things might be otherwise.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: desco80 on September 25, 2014, 10:16:46 AM
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I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.

 

Marcus Camby boxed out more times in one game than Dom has in full seasons.

You can say that about nearly all of the last year's team.  This is a good example of the Johnny fan base singling out one kid to express their frustration with the team.   

Good example of you singling out a poster to express frustration with the fan base.

Dom boxed out less than any other player in the rotation. And you are right, that really is saying something.

The dopes who booed the kid during the last game of the season deserve it.  The only thing more disappointing to the teams finish is our pathetic fan base.  How about you show us the stats on the lack of boxing out?

You could not be more wrong.   The fan base is, if anything, too lenient.   Beat up SJU fans all you want for not being loud enough or not attending enough games.
But "good fanbases" would've driven this clown of a coach, and some of his players, out of town a long time ago.
- Cheap fouls, and sucker punches, directed at opponents in blowouts.
- Walkons starting in conference games, under the guise that they had a good week of practice.
- Freshmen "stars" who mysteriously disappear for games in midseason, and sit out postseason games with toothaches.
- NBA Prospects who refuse to enter games

And that list could be 10x longer if we included the "minor" bullsh*t like recruiting an alleged rapist this summer without running it by anyone at the University.   

We all hope the team has a successful season, and Lavin can turn things around.   But none of this is in anyway the fault of the fanbase.   The fans have given this team a ton of patience.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Foad on September 25, 2014, 10:39:05 AM
How about you show us the stats on the lack of boxing out?

Impossible: lack of boxing out is an immeasurable intangible.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: we are sju on September 25, 2014, 12:54:19 PM
In order for Dom to be effective he has to play, in short spurts the things he does well do not stand out. Honestly playing slowdown does not do him any favors either. He is an energy guy so playing slowdown in short spurts you can actually see him getting frustrated. This leads to his chippy play. And on that note if he is going to be chippy he has to learn to throw a better punch then that slap thing he does. Actually closing your fist is the first thing you should be taught if you are going to be a dirty player.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on September 25, 2014, 03:28:40 PM
In order for Dom to be effective he has to play, in short spurts the things he does well do not stand out. Honestly playing slowdown does not do him any favors either. He is an energy guy so playing slowdown in short spurts you can actually see him getting frustrated. This leads to his chippy play. And on that note if he is going to be chippy he has to learn to throw a better punch then that slap thing he does. Actually closing your fist is the first thing you should be taught if you are going to be a dirty player.

In long spurts, the things he doesn't do well stand out even more.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: we are sju on September 25, 2014, 03:45:36 PM
In order for Dom to be effective he has to play, in short spurts the things he does well do not stand out. Honestly playing slowdown does not do him any favors either. He is an energy guy so playing slowdown in short spurts you can actually see him getting frustrated. This leads to his chippy play. And on that note if he is going to be chippy he has to learn to throw a better punch then that slap thing he does. Actually closing your fist is the first thing you should be taught if you are going to be a dirty player.

In long spurts, the things he doesn't do well stand out even more.

I disagree. When he is not getting minutes he tries to do too much and he winds up doing crazy things. At end of his soph year when he was getting big minutes he played his best ball by far.  BTW I am not even saying he should get big minutes, just that is what he needs to be effective.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Marillac on September 25, 2014, 07:44:52 PM
Dom is all heart, and has been the understated leader of this team for the past 3 years. When he's rolling everyone else follows suit and is suddenly clicking on all cylinders.

He's saved countless games with his tenacity and swarming defense. His intangibles are immeasurable, and often times overlooked. His value surpasses the box score.

Does he struggle to create his own shot off the dribble? Yes. Has he gradually improved his overall offensive game over the past 3 years? Absolutely. More importantly, he's a defensive specialist, a damn good one, and is getting listed on 2015 Mock Drafts for that very reason.

Biedscheid deserved to get knocked out that night in South Bend btw. He was the instigator, and soon transferred out of ND. I think he's still icing his jaw. Kid didn't know he was trash talking with someone who grew up boxing in Detroit.

We're going to need him in numerous ways this year. Give me Dom in my trench hole any day of the week:

“If you go back the last three years, he’s been the catalyst that’s spearheaded every big rally, every big win, and usually put the exclamation point on a victory or is the one to put the final nail in the coffin,” Lavin said of Pointer, who is coming off his best performance of the season, a brilliant 12-point, 11-assist, nine-rebound, four-steal, three-block effort in Saturday’s 104-58 rout of improved Fordham. “We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”

"Dom is one of those players who will be in [the game] for ten minutes, but have ten points, eight blocks, four rebounds, call a timeout and have a travel called against him," Harrison joked about his now third-year teammate.  "He is going to have an impact on every game.  He and [God`s]gift [Achiuwa] are probably the leaders of this team."

“We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”Lavin felt the 6-foot-5 Pointer, a Detroit product, would be a special player his freshman year, after the 6-foot-5 forward single-handedly shut down Lehigh star C.J. McCollum in his second college game, igniting a big comeback. Lehigh and McCollum would reach the Sweet 16 that year, upsetting Duke in the first round. “Dom came in a like a plumber and shut the water off,” Lavin said.

Great to hear from you, Dom. I hope your summer has gone well. 
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: simplyred on September 25, 2014, 08:25:01 PM
The I have no problem with Dom's play the first two years.  Last year was a complete disaster.  Hopefully, he bounces back.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Marillac on September 26, 2014, 01:49:15 PM
The I have no problem with Dom's play the first two years.  Last year was a complete disaster.  Hopefully, he bounces back.

Agreed.  Coach enables him with the Costco crap.  Coach sees him as Justin Brownlee and he clearly isn't.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: desco80 on September 26, 2014, 08:17:17 PM
The I have no problem with Dom's play the first two years.  Last year was a complete disaster.  Hopefully, he bounces back.

What was so different about Pointer's play last season compared to the first two?
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: simplyred on September 26, 2014, 08:29:02 PM
The I have no problem with Dom's play the first two years.  Last year was a complete disaster.  Hopefully, he bounces back.

What was so different about Pointer's play last season compared to the first two?
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His offensive production was next to zero.  He was afraid, with good reason, to take a wide open jumper.  He was much more productive his first two years.
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Tiznow on October 02, 2014, 10:55:55 PM
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I have more faith in Dom. I like toughness. I like Charles Oakley types not Marcus Camby type forwards.

 

Marcus Camby boxed out more times in one game than Dom has in full seasons.

You can say that about nearly all of the last year's team.  This is a good example of the Johnny fan base singling out one kid to express their frustration with the team.   

Good example of you singling out a poster to express frustration with the fan base.

Dom boxed out less than any other player in the rotation. And you are right, that really is saying something.

The dopes who booed the kid during the last game of the season deserve it.  The only thing more disappointing to the teams finish is our pathetic fan base.  How about you show us the stats on the lack of boxing out?

You could not be more wrong.   The fan base is, if anything, too lenient.   Beat up SJU fans all you want for not being loud enough or not attending enough games.
But "good fanbases" would've driven this clown of a coach, and some of his players, out of town a long time ago.
- Cheap fouls, and sucker punches, directed at opponents in blowouts.
- Walkons starting in conference games, under the guise that they had a good week of practice.
- Freshmen "stars" who mysteriously disappear for games in midseason, and sit out postseason games with toothaches.
- NBA Prospects who refuse to enter games

And that list could be 10x longer if we included the "minor" bullsh*t like recruiting an alleged rapist this summer without running it by anyone at the University.   

We all hope the team has a successful season, and Lavin can turn things around.   But none of this is in anyway the fault of the fanbase.   The fans have given this team a ton of patience.

Desco,  We get the point that you can't stand Lavin.  Our fans don't attend games - did you see the crowds we drew in Brooklyn?  There were more PSU fans.  And anyone who boos a kid playing for their school is a jerk. 
Title: Re: Best Small Forward in The Big East
Post by: Tiznow on October 02, 2014, 10:58:41 PM
Dom is all heart, and has been the understated leader of this team for the past 3 years. When he's rolling everyone else follows suit and is suddenly clicking on all cylinders.

He's saved countless games with his tenacity and swarming defense. His intangibles are immeasurable, and often times overlooked. His value surpasses the box score.

Does he struggle to create his own shot off the dribble? Yes. Has he gradually improved his overall offensive game over the past 3 years? Absolutely. More importantly, he's a defensive specialist, a damn good one, and is getting listed on 2015 Mock Drafts for that very reason.

Biedscheid deserved to get knocked out that night in South Bend btw. He was the instigator, and soon transferred out of ND. I think he's still icing his jaw. Kid didn't know he was trash talking with someone who grew up boxing in Detroit.

We're going to need him in numerous ways this year. Give me Dom in my trench hole any day of the week:

“If you go back the last three years, he’s been the catalyst that’s spearheaded every big rally, every big win, and usually put the exclamation point on a victory or is the one to put the final nail in the coffin,” Lavin said of Pointer, who is coming off his best performance of the season, a brilliant 12-point, 11-assist, nine-rebound, four-steal, three-block effort in Saturday’s 104-58 rout of improved Fordham. “We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”

"Dom is one of those players who will be in [the game] for ten minutes, but have ten points, eight blocks, four rebounds, call a timeout and have a travel called against him," Harrison joked about his now third-year teammate.  "He is going to have an impact on every game.  He and [God`s]gift [Achiuwa] are probably the leaders of this team."

“We call him our Batman, because he’s saved the day, he’s saved Gotham City so many times.”Lavin felt the 6-foot-5 Pointer, a Detroit product, would be a special player his freshman year, after the 6-foot-5 forward single-handedly shut down Lehigh star C.J. McCollum in his second college game, igniting a big comeback. Lehigh and McCollum would reach the Sweet 16 that year, upsetting Duke in the first round. “Dom came in a like a plumber and shut the water off,” Lavin said.

Spot on with regards to the ND incident.