6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting => 2019 Class => Topic started by: stjohnnie75 on September 11, 2016, 10:26:41 PM
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Zags:
Chris Mullin & @mabde33 will be at Molloy on Tues for @Moses_Graham1 and @The_ColeAnthony & at Ranney Thur for @rioelite1 & @Scott_lewis_23
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Zagoria:
.@Scott_lewis_23 and @rioelite1 told me they plan to visit Kentucky and/or Kansas in the next 2 months. These guys are special talents.
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Adam Zagoria – @AdamZagoria
Sophomore Studs Lewis, Antoine Attract Calipari, Mullin, Pikiell and Slew of High-Majors
https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiting/news/sophomore-studs-scottie-lewis-bryan-antoine-attract-calipari-mullin-pikiell-and-slew-of-high-majors-to-ranney-school/201611396?tcid=tw_article_201611396 …
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Per Pat Lawless
Duke, Florida and Stanford are expected to see '19 Bryan Antoine and '19 Scottie Lewis this Thursday at The Ranney School (NJ).
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Andrew Slater:
Florida, UConn, Maryland, EKU & Seton Hall are @ Ranney School for Bryan Antoine, Scottie Lewis, Alex Klatsky, Ahmadu Sarnor & Chris Autino
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Eric Bossi:
Five-star sophomore wing Scottie Lewis is as good a young wing defender as I have ever scouted. Instinctual and challenges #usabmjnt
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Mentions Johnnies fwiw;
http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1754595-primetime-shootout-lewis-excels
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Behind a pay wall. Is there a quick summary of the article?
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“Chris Mullin has a great legacy there, and the entire coaching staff is great,” said Lewis. “Also I am from New York so I have watched St. John’s for a long time, and I know the history there and what it would mean to play in Madison Square Garden. It would great to be a part of that.”
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“Chris Mullin has a great legacy there, and the entire coaching staff is great,” said Lewis. “Also I am from New York so I have watched St. John’s for a long time, and I know the history there and what it would mean to play in Madison Square Garden. It would great to be a part of that.”
That is always nice and then Duke or UK offers and it doesn't mean anything.
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We want to be competing with the Dukes and UKs for the top national talent. Every now and then, a local kid is going to want to play in MSG in front of his friends and family. Maybe Lewis is one of those kids.
We don't need to land all of them: one a year. mixed in with what we're already growing here, will do very nicely. What's important is that we continue to show progress, continued improvement, player development, and excitement about the arc of our program.
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I'm all in on Scottie.
St. John's be in final hunt for him and teammate Bryan Antoine.
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I'm all in on Scottie.
St. John's be in final hunt for him and teammate Bryan Antoine.
Are these kids a package deal?
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I'm all in on Scottie.
St. John's be in final hunt for him and teammate Bryan Antoine.
Are these kids a package deal?
Not neccesarily but landing one I think will help with the other.
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http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1775107-uaa-lewis-talks-spring-and-upcoming-visit
Also Lewis has seen St. John's numerous times, and he noticed the Red Storm coaches watching him quite a bit this weekend.
"I have a very god relationship with them," said Lewis of the Red Storm. "Coach (Chris) Mullin wasn’t out this weekend, but Coach Matt (Abdelmassih) and Coach Dan (Matic) were, and Coach Brian (Klatsky) is very close with them. Also I am originally from New York and they were my first offer, so it was special to get that and they are honest with me about my game and how I have to improve and what I need to get better at."
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http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1775107-uaa-lewis-talks-spring-and-upcoming-visit
Also Lewis has seen St. John's numerous times, and he noticed the Red Storm coaches watching him quite a bit this weekend.
"I have a very god relationship with them," said Lewis of the Red Storm. "Coach (Chris) Mullin wasn’t out this weekend, but Coach Matt (Abdelmassih) and Coach Dan (Matic) were, and Coach Brian (Klatsky) is very close with them. Also I am originally from New York and they were my first offer, so it was special to get that and they are honest with me about my game and how I have to improve and what I need to get better at."
I like this kid just from that small quote. Seems very aware of what is happening in his recruiting. He is clearly doing his research knowing Mullin was out injured but knew that the two assistants were watching him. Hopefully we stay foremost on his mind moving forward.
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Tript to Louisville.... Kentucky to follow
http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/05/07/class-2019-stars-bryan-antoine-scottie-lewis-visit-louisville-ahead-kentucky-trip/
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Pat Lawless @PatLawless_
Scottie Lewis & Bryan Antoine from Team Rio (NJ) heard from Florida, Duke, St. John's, Maryland, UConn, Rutgers & Louisville at midnight.
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In the hunt for Lewis for sure;
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/875401199264174080
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I'm hearing good things about Scottie and SJU.
Bryan? Well...lets hope Coach Mullin has his "I chose St John's over Duke and I'm glad I did" stories ready....
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In the hunt for Lewis for sure;
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/875401199264174080
Are you referring to us or Duke as the tweet you cited refers to Duke? Hopefully you meant us.
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In the hunt for Lewis for sure;
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/875401199264174080
Are you referring to us or Duke as the tweet you cited refers to Duke? Hopefully you meant us.
Correct
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http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1785011-nbpa-top-5-sf-scottie-lewis-talks-recruiting
Talks recruiting including SJU.
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Pat Lawless @PatLawless_
Florida's Mike White, SJU's Chris Mullin, Maryland's Mark Turgeon & Villanova's Jay Wright have talked to Bryan Antoine and Scottie Lewis.
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I think Coach Rice is worth Lewis and Antoine.
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I think Coach Rice is worth Lewis and Antoine.
His hire, if it should happen, would not be contingent on any recruits nor would it guarantee their signings. Nor should we care.
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More info on SJU reaching out. Scottie said SJU was first to reach out:
http://elevatehoops.com/portfolio/scottie-lewis-speaks-on-schools-that-have-reached-out-since-june-15-a-possibility-of-a-package-deal/
“The first to contact me was St. John’s,” said Lewis. “The first phone call was Darris Nichols from Florida. Then after that was Louisville (Coach Jordan [Sucher]), Villanova, Mike White from Florida, Duke (Coach [Jon] Scheyer), UConn, and a few others.”
St. John’s reached out to Lewis first and he briefly spoke about what they had to say.
“They texted me,” said Lewis. “They said they can put me in position for me to make it to the next level and basically bring back what St. John’s use to be.”
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I think Coach Rice is worth Lewis and Antoine.
His hire, if it should happen, would not be contingent on any recruits nor would it guarantee their signings. Nor should we care.
I agree with your first two pints, but the last one is silly.
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I think Coach Rice is worth Lewis and Antoine.
His hire, if it should happen, would not be contingent on any recruits nor would it guarantee their signings. Nor should we care.
I agree with your first two pints, but the last one is silly.
Agreed. I'm not sure why we shouldn't care. Us nabbing two top 30 recruits would make for one of our best recruiting classes in the last 10 years.
My comment was in tongue and cheek, we clearly need an experienced assistant coach on the bench who can absolutely take some of the recruiting burden away from Matt A.
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https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/five-star-scottie-lewis-has-busy-summer-planned
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If Bryan and Scottie both came to St. John's and roster progressed without turnover I legit think Final Four is a possibility.
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If Bryan and Scottie both came to St. John's and roster progressed without turnover I legit think Final Four is a possibility.
Those two guys look to be good enough where that's probably the case wherever they land. So let's make sure it's queens!
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Signing two five stars would be nice, but I'd only see this having a decent shot at happening if we bring on Rice. Maybe even then, we'd be lucky to just get one with or without Rice.
I'd just like a roster of 3's & 4's w/ four year potential without turnover and be consistent Top 25 w/ NCAA bids
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If Bryan and Scottie both came to St. John's and roster progressed without turnover I legit think Final Four is a possibility.
Not knowing anything, I'd estimate the odds of them both coming and roster progressing without unexpectedly losing an important player have to be about 500/1
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If Bryan and Scottie both came to St. John's and roster progressed without turnover I legit think Final Four is a possibility.
Not knowing anything, I'd estimate the odds of them both coming and roster progressing without unexpectedly losing an important player have to be about 500/1
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/k8X194-h5xQ/0.jpg)
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we need a couple of solid bigs before we even talk about Final Four possibilities
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we need a couple of solid bigs before we even talk about Final Four possibilities
Well we have Sedee Keita coming in who looks like he has some upside and potential. Could definitely use at least one or two more moving forward.
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we need a couple of solid bigs before we even talk about Final Four possibilities
I'd run with Sid Wilson, Keita, and Little to start. Sure another body or 2 would be added to that too.
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Right now I think SJU is right there with Florida.
It is well known that Brian Klatsky is a Florida grad and a huge fan of the Gators
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we need a couple of solid bigs before we even talk about Final Four possibilities
I'd run with Sid Wilson, Keita, and Little to start. Sure another body or 2 would be added to that too.
If you added those two with Ponds, Simon, Dixon, Sid and Keita you wouldn't need much of big man to make a big run. Just someone who could hold their own .
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Talks about SJU and others here with Slater:
http://247sports.com/Article/The-Human-Mixtape-A-Quick-One-on-One-With-Top-5-Junior-Scottie-L-101386841
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Brian Klatsky @teamriobk 58m
scottie.23 just received an offer from Duke! Chatting with Coach K moments ago. @ Desert Oasis… https://www.instagram.com/p/BXEkuRQAh_W/
Duke has now officially offered both Lewis and Antoine.
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Success on the court next year is critical.
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Success on the court next year is critical.
Beating Duke at the Garden in front of a raucous crowd can't hurt either. I'm hoping we are on the right trajectory where these kids feel that staying home is also
An excellent option...
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Success on the court next year is critical.
Beating Duke at the Garden in front of a raucous crowd can't hurt either. I'm hoping we are on the right trajectory where these kids feel that staying home is also
An excellent option...
This year is huge. If we struggle again may set us back despite the best recruiting efforts of the staff. I think we will be much improved this year, we will see.
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Success on the court next year is critical.
Beating Duke at the Garden in front of a raucous crowd can't hurt either. I'm hoping we are on the right trajectory where these kids feel that staying home is also
An excellent option...
This year is huge. If we struggle again may set us back despite the best recruiting efforts of the staff. I think we will be much improved this year, we will see.
This year is definitely huge.... On and off the court (ie, recruiting). Even if we have a good season, I still believe it's gonna be tough to ward off the Duke's and Kentucky's of the world when it comes to kids like Lewis and Antoine. It'll have to be a unique situation to land those kinda kids, even if we end up having a solid season.
Consistently, solid seasons and a bit of luck with a deep run into the tournament this season or next, then we could be a viable option for a few kids of Lewis' ilk. I know the staff is working diligently and hard, but the majority of staffs around the country are also working hard. So, again, it'll have to be a unique situation at this juncture or we're gonna have to start winning and winning consistently. That's the card that'll catapult you over the top when it's all said and done.
Regardless, it all starts this season, IMO.
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Slater -
Per @teamrionational Director Brian Klatsky, there's an 80% likelihood that 2019 5⭐️s Bryan Antoine & Scottie will attend college together.
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Slater -
Per @teamrionational Director Brian Klatsky, there's an 80% likelihood that 2019 5⭐️s Bryan Antoine & Scottie will attend college together.
That would mean we would essentially be out of the mix since it has sounded like Antoine has not shown much interest in coming here
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In depth interview w/ Lewis... question on Rice, St John's and everything else recruiting
http://247sports.com/Article/Driven-Checking-In-With-Top-Scottie-Lewis19-Nova-Florida-Duke-Ke-105776703
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In depth interview w/ Lewis... question on Rice, St John's and everything else recruiting
http://247sports.com/Article/Driven-Checking-In-With-Top-Scottie-Lewis19-Nova-Florida-Duke-Ke-105776703
A quote, per the Q&A....
There has been a rumor that Coach Rice might be joining one of the coaching staffs. If he were, how might that affect you?
As far as my recruiting goes? A lot. I have a great connection with him. If I had a different coach my freshman year or sophomore year, I wouldn’t have been as successful. He pushed me.
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Brian Snow @BSnowScout
Sean Miller just got off the phone with Bryan Antoine & Scottie Lewis & offered both a scholarship. 5-star teammates for Team Rio & Ranney
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Adam ZagoriaVerified account
@AdamZagoria
Duke, UK, Florida, St. John's, Villanova & Louisville among those expected at an open gym Sat for 2019s @Scott_lewis_23 & @BryanAntoine_
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Marley Paul
@MarleyPaul22
St. John's 3-deep watching 2019 five-stars Scottie Lewis & Bryan Antoine at Ranney School right now. #sjubb
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Pat Lawless
@PatLawless_
Kentucky, Louisville, Villanova, Cal-Berkeley, Seton Hall & St. John's are in to see '19 Bryan Antoine & '19 Scottie Lewis.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/09/09/college-coaches-visit-2019s-bryan-antoine-scottie-lewis/
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http://www.app.com/story/sports/high-school/basketball/2017/09/12/ranney-hoops-stars-scottie-lewis-and-bryan-antoine/642809001/
Kid gets it, has the complete package on and off the court. A face of the program type recruit.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/09/24/rick-pitino-roy-williams-latest-visit-2019s-bryan-antoine-scottie-lewis/
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Cmon man. This guy isn't coming
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Cmon man. This guy isn't coming
Totally agree. We've seen this movie over and over.
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This kids going blue blood
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Cmon man. This guy isn't coming
Totally agree. We've seen this movie over and over.
Yet we keep expecting a different ending. I guess it is the optimism in us an the desire for St. John's to be great again. Oops, hope I didn't get political. I'm for taking politics out of sports. they are supposed to be for entertainment and enjoyment. There is a time and place for everything.
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if we really don't have a shot, best thing this kid could do for us is cut his list down early and take our name out.
We don't need a courtesy inclusion since we were his 1st offer and there from the beginning. It will only lead to wasted minutes on courtesy follow ups from staff that should be spent elsewhere.
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We made his top 12 although I kind of wish we didn't, would rather focus on more realistic targets.
https://twitter.com/Scott_lewis_23/status/914279115779395584
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We made his top 12 although I kind of wish we didn't, would rather focus on more realistic targets.
https://twitter.com/Scott_lewis_23/status/914279115779395584
1. Scottie is the type of kid you fight for
2. Scottie is type of kid who might go against the grain
Odds are against St. John's for a player of his caliber however I'd stay in till the end with him.
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We made his top 12 although I kind of wish we didn't, would rather focus on more realistic targets.
https://twitter.com/Scott_lewis_23/status/914279115779395584
1. Scottie is the type of kid you fight for
2. Scottie is type of kid who might go against the grain
Odds are against St. John's for a player of his caliber however I'd stay in till the end with him.
Agree Dave & of course have a back up plan ready.
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We made his top 12 although I kind of wish we didn't, would rather focus on more realistic targets.
https://twitter.com/Scott_lewis_23/status/914279115779395584
1. Scottie is the type of kid you fight for
2. Scottie is type of kid who might go against the grain
Odds are against St. John's for a player of his caliber however I'd stay in till the end with him.
We've all seen this movie before many times. If we have a legit chance with him why not bring in Mike Rice?
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It's nice SJU is on the list but a top 12 is a joke...
Wake me up when he gets to top 5.
I mean he has Colgate on the list.
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It's nice SJU is on the list but a top 12 is a joke...
Wake me up when he gets to top 5.
I mean he has Colgate on the list.
Maybe he is very serious about oral hygiene.
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Based on Zags article, seems like Colgate is on list because is AAU team director had a brother who coaches at Colgate.
Then again, he's a bright kid, goes to a nice, private HS already (and Adonal Foyle made it pro from Colgate too.)
I just see this kid at Duke or Nova
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I don't think it's ever a bad thing to be on a 5 star recruits list. But, the bulk of our recruiting at this point should be at the 3-4 star level. We are not going to beat Duke/Kentucky/Kansas for recruits.
I think we got lucky with Rysheed Jordan because of his baggage. That was our last 5 star recruit.
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Again my point is out of the 12 how many do you honestly think he is really considering? 3 or 4...
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We made his top 12 although I kind of wish we didn't, would rather focus on more realistic targets.
https://twitter.com/Scott_lewis_23/status/914279115779395584
1. Scottie is the type of kid you fight for
2. Scottie is type of kid who might go against the grain
Odds are against St. John's for a player of his caliber however I'd stay in till the end with him.
We've all seen this movie before many times. If we have a legit chance with him why not bring in Mike Rice?
I'm pretty sure they would. I believe there is something on school end preventing new hires.We made his top 12 although I kind of wish we didn't, would rather focus on more realistic targets.
https://twitter.com/Scott_lewis_23/status/914279115779395584
1. Scottie is the type of kid you fight for
2. Scottie is type of kid who might go against the grain
Odds are against St. John's for a player of his caliber however I'd stay in till the end with him.
Agree Dave & of course have a back up plan ready.
No doubt.
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So there is a contingency with hiring Rice, Rice's hire is dependent upon Slice's buyout? How realistic are both?
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So there is a contingency with hiring Rice, Rice's hire is dependent upon Slice's buyout? How realistic are both?
His hiring is contingent on a spot on the staff. There is no spot on the staff. Who is taking a demotion? Is the HOF willing to take a demotion? Then we can't trot him out into living rooms and get quotes from players about playing for two HOfers. We going to demote St Jean and ruin Jeff Goodmans dreams?
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It's nice SJU is on the list but a top 12 is a joke...
Wake me up when he gets to top 5.
I mean he has Colgate on the list.
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Wake me up when it's top one
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/18/villanova-goes-three-deep-bryan-antoine-scottie-lewis/
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https://twitter.com/PatLawless_/status/966787376679936000
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A buddy of mine met one of the SJU basketball student managers at a bar, and he told him that Matt A and Scottie text every day, and Matt A seems to think we have a good shot of landing him..... don't shoot the messenger.
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A buddy of mine met one of the SJU basketball student managers at a bar, and he told him that Matt A and Scottie text every day, and Matt A seems to think we have a good shot of landing him..... don't shoot the messenger.
Let’s hope we get him
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Well worth a read
https://projects.nj.com/investigations/kingmaker/
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Wow.....
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Now, if we only hire Mike Rice, maybe it strengthens our position...
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We should hire Rice and Klatsky.
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We should hire Rice and Klatsky.
As you know who would say TIME TO GO FULL NUCLEAR ;D
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Lol i just want to see this team succeed. The recruiting process is a shady business, if we can find a loophole to land consistent high end talent, I'll take it.
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Doesn’t look like Chris is adding anyone to staff, which bothers me, unless he decides to get off his arse and start recruiting more, which I’m not counting on.
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Let the live period begin!--
Marley Paul @MarleyPaul22 · 1m1 minute ago
St. John’s is expected to have in-home visits with top 2019 targets Scottie Lewis, Bryan Antoine & Jalen Gaffney of Team Rio this weekend. #sjubb
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Let the live period begin!--
Marley Paul @MarleyPaul22 · 1m1 minute ago
St. John’s is expected to have in-home visits with top 2019 targets Scottie Lewis, Bryan Antoine & Jalen Gaffney of Team Rio this weekend. #sjubb
May have shot with Gaffney but barring something like bringing M Rice aboard would think no shot with Lewis and Antoine.
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Probably letting us visit as a courtesy since we we're on them early, invited them to games etc.
More importantly, which staff member(s) are doing the in-home visits ?
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Probably letting us visit as a courtesy since we we're on them early, invited them to games etc.
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More importantly, which staff member(s) are doing the in-home visits ?
Mullin and Matt I would think
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Probably letting us visit as a courtesy since we we're on them early, invited them to games etc.
More importantly, which staff member(s) are doing the in-home visits ?
If we have no shot why even waste the limited time Mullin actually recruits on this? That's something I never understood. For months now it's been no secret we weren't getting these two or Jordan Brown. Why continue to waste resources on these guys.? Go recruit 3 star guys who we can actually get, and develop into solid 4 year players (if they don't transfer which they usually do under Mullin, but anyway...). Once you develop the lower tier recruits into good players and start to rack up the wins that's when you have a shot to land players of this caliber.
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Probably letting us visit as a courtesy since we we're on them early, invited them to games etc.
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More importantly, which staff member(s) are doing the in-home visits ?
Mullin and Matt I would think
What happened to all the talk that we were being negatively recruited against because of a lack of an African-American on the staff which we cured by bringing in Mitch? Shouldn't he be establishing relationships with some of the recruits?
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Probably letting us visit as a courtesy since we we're on them early, invited them to games etc.
More importantly, which staff member(s) are doing the in-home visits ?
Staff has been on these kids since day1, they were both in the Garden locker room celebrating with the team after the Duke win. I'm not counting either one of them out and I don't read this as a 'courtesy' visit. Lewis is a potential top5 lottery pick.
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Probably letting us visit as a courtesy since we we're on them early, invited them to games etc.
More importantly, which staff member(s) are doing the in-home visits ?
Staff has been on these kids since day1, they were both in the Garden locker room celebrating with the team after the Duke win. I'm not counting either one of them out and I don't read this as a 'courtesy' visit. Lewis is a potential top5 lottery pick.
Lewis will keep SJ on his list for s while, but imo eventually will opt for a better program. Staff knows Antoine was never a real possibility, while Gaffney is in play. Just my read .
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Probably letting us visit as a courtesy since we we're on them early, invited them to games etc.
More importantly, which staff member(s) are doing the in-home visits ?
Staff has been on these kids since day1, they were both in the Garden locker room celebrating with the team after the Duke win. I'm not counting either one of them out and I don't read this as a 'courtesy' visit. Lewis is a potential top5 lottery pick.
Lewis will keep SJ on his list for s while, but imo eventually will opt for a better program. Staff knows Antoine was never a real possibility, while Gaffney is in play. Just my read .
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Penny Hardaway likely using his NBA resume' and AAU coaching connections to quickly cement an in-home....
Pat Lawless
@PatLawless_
2019 Five-Star duo Bryan Antoine & Scottie Lewis from Team Rio (NJ) in-home visit schedule:
4/13 | Duke's Mike Krzyzewski
4/14 | Kentucky's John Calipari
4/15 | St. John's Chris Mullin & Memphis' Penny Hardaway
4/17 | Florida's Mike white
4/18 | Villanova's Jay Wright
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Nice pic of Matt, Chris, GSJ and Lewis.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarleyPaul22/status/986754363539492866
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https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/kentucky-basketball-scottie-lewis-bryan-antoine-recruitment
“Florida, and St. John’s and Villanova, they’ve been following me since I was in eighth grade in those back gyms,” Lewis said. “Every time I’m around them it just feels like family.”
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https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/kentucky-basketball-scottie-lewis-bryan-antoine-recruitment
“Florida, and St. John’s and Villanova, they’ve been following me since I was in eighth grade in those back gyms,” Lewis said. “Every time I’m around them it just feels like family.”
He is more open than Antoine. Klatsky went to Florida and they have been on both since day one and of course Nova is tight with Antoine along with Duke. But even if SU Is a bit of a longshot they need to stay on this kid. Need to show they are for real getting top kids in this area.
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UF prioritizing him, we're mentioned:
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-josh-green-florida-under-the-radar-classes
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UF prioritizing him, we're mentioned:
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-josh-green-florida-under-the-radar-classes
Florida is heavily involved because the Ranney School coach is Brian Klatsky. Klatsky is a UF grad and a HUGE fan of the Gators. Antoine is likely to land at either Nova or Duke. So UF is pushing hard for Lewis.
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UF prioritizing him, we're mentioned:
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-josh-green-florida-under-the-radar-classes
Florida is heavily involved because the Ranney School coach is Brian Klatsky. Klatsky is a UF grad and a HUGE fan of the Gators. Antoine is likely to land at either Nova or Duke. So UF is pushing hard for Lewis.
Thanks for the insight Fordham.
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UF prioritizing him, we're mentioned:
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-josh-green-florida-under-the-radar-classes
Florida is heavily involved because the Ranney School coach is Brian Klatsky. Klatsky is a UF grad and a HUGE fan of the Gators. Antoine is likely to land at either Nova or Duke. So UF is pushing hard for Lewis.
The Ranney School coach is Tahj Holden former Maryland hoopster and Red Bank native. Klatsky is the shady money guy financing Team Rio. Everything else you said was correct.
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UF prioritizing him, we're mentioned:
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-josh-green-florida-under-the-radar-classes
Florida is heavily involved because the Ranney School coach is Brian Klatsky. Klatsky is a UF grad and a HUGE fan of the Gators. Antoine is likely to land at either Nova or Duke. So UF is pushing hard for Lewis.
The Ranney School coach is Tahj Holden former Maryland hoopster and Red Bank native. Klatsky is the shady money guy financing Team Rio. Everything else you said was correct.
I want to hop in here and clear this up immediately. Klatsky is not the shady money guy. While he's certainly financially well off he's helped a lot of kids and families change the course of their lives. There is a lot of merit in that. Ranney is an amazing school and these kids are set whether basketball works out or doesn't as a result.
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UF prioritizing him, we're mentioned:
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-josh-green-florida-under-the-radar-classes
Florida is heavily involved because the Ranney School coach is Brian Klatsky. Klatsky is a UF grad and a HUGE fan of the Gators. Antoine is likely to land at either Nova or Duke. So UF is pushing hard for Lewis.
The Ranney School coach is Tahj Holden former Maryland hoopster and Red Bank native. Klatsky is the shady money guy financing Team Rio. Everything else you said was correct.
I want to hop in here and clear this up immediately. Klatsky is not the shady money guy. While he's certainly financially well off he's helped a lot of kids and families change the course of their lives. There is a lot of merit in that. Ranney is an amazing school and these kids are set whether basketball works out or doesn't as a result.
Both are correct. He is not the coach, that was a mistake on my part.
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Still a longshot but again SJU staying in there:
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/five-star-scottie-lewis-taking-his-time-with-recruiting-process
St. John’s: “That is where I am from. I am from New York and I grew up there and my dad, whenever he first got to meet coach (Chris) Mullin and the coaching staff, he was in love with them, and my mom loves them as well. She hasn’t thought a lot about me staying home as far as going to New York, but after sitting down and having those home visits, she would love the fact of me staying at home and me playing at the Garden.”
Lewis was ranked as a five-star prospect in the initial ranking release of his 2019 class two years ago and has remained in that elite category ever since.
Known for his quick twitch abilities, defensive versatility and athleticism, questions remain on whether Lewis will continue to team up with Antoine in college. Look for Villanova, Kentucky, Florida, Duke and St. John’s to be among the group to make the final cut for the five-star wing in the coming weeks.
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I feel decent about Scottie. I think his personality gives St. John's a true shot and he'd embrace it.
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At least all of our competition are lightweights. ??? Maybe if we have a very successful season and the fact that we have high level stars playing for us in Ponds and Heron we actually have a legitimate shot.
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Punchers chance
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Just announced per twitter his final 7: SJU, Florida, Duke, Villanova, Harvard, Stanford and Kentucky.
https://www.prepcircuit.com/news_article/show/924977?referrer_id=1293611
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Beating Kentucky, Duke and Nova for a recruit would be really impressive.
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A program defining recruit, a kid that Nova usually gets.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/06/15/scottie-lewis-planning-unofficial-visits/
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247 Sports' Dain Ervin predicted St. John's to land both Scottie and Aiden yesterday. Expect many more Team Rio kids to be projected to sign with us once we make the Mike Rice hire official.
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247 Sports' Dain Ervin predicted St. John's to land both Scottie and Aiden yesterday. Expect many more Team Rio kids to be projected to sign with us once we make the Mike Rice hire official.
How correct is he usually
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247 Sports' Dain Ervin predicted St. John's to land both Scottie and Aiden yesterday. Expect many more Team Rio kids to be projected to sign with us once we make the Mike Rice hire official.
How correct is he usually
Never heard of him
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I wonder if Paultzman has a sense on us getting Scotty Lewis?
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I wonder if Paultzman has a sense on us getting Scotty Lewis?
Puncher’s chance
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247 Sports' Dain Ervin predicted St. John's to land both Scottie and Aiden yesterday. Expect many more Team Rio kids to be projected to sign with us once we make the Mike Rice hire official.
Add Andrew Slater as of an hour ago.
https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Basketball/TargetPredictions
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Slater at 247 switched Scottie Lewis to St. John's at 4:09 today and Aidan Igiehon to St.John's at 4:10.
If we get one or both of these guys for 2019 we are over the hump. If that happens, the dam has burst and recruiting gets far easier going forward.
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What's the latest on Rice? Still a possibility?
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As of right now, how many ships are available for 2019?
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As of right now, how many ships are available for 2019?
It doesn't matter, if Aidan and Scottie want to come they'll find room for them.
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As of right now, how many ships are available for 2019?
It doesn't matter, if Aidan and Scottie want to come they'll find room for them.
Marvin is a RS Senior so hes done after next year, Simon will be able to grad transfer after next year and Ponds is on DraftExpress' (his new ESPN stuff) top 20 projected picks for next year so I would say he is only going to climb the boards so he is gone next year.
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https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1017181245845966850
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Obviously unrealistic we will get many (if any) of the top 20/25 kids that we've been on, but you've got to be in it to win it and seems as if we have a shot with a few. Perhaps Rice helps in that respect. Even so, it is equally important for the staff to be focusing on the Ledlum's, Gaffney's, Bishop's, etc of the world so as to ensure that there are plenty of options if some of the blue chippers pick another school. A problem with the prior staff was not having enough backup options when it came to recruiting the last few years of the Lavin tenure.
If we are pleasantly surprised a nab a blue chipper or two go with a Ledlum, Gaffney, etc, all the better. We will find room. In addition to Marv graduating and Ponds surely leaving to turn pro, history tells us there will be at least another transfer, not accounting for the possibility that a big year by Herron could result in him leaving. I hope Simon sticks around for his last year -- and I'm sure the staff will do everything to keep him -- but you never know with grad transfer seniors.
Bottom line - don't be concerned with us recruiting too many kids. That always works itself out. Casting a wider net is the way to go and I'd be concerned if we weren't doing that.
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A definite +1 prjohnnies :)
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Obviously unrealistic we will get many (if any) of the top 20/25 kids that we've been on, but you've got to be in it to win it and seems as if we have a shot with a few. Perhaps Rice helps in that respect. Even so, it is equally important for the staff to be focusing on the Ledlum's, Gaffney's, Bishop's, etc of the world so as to ensure that there are plenty of options if some of the blue chippers pick another school. A problem with the prior staff was not having enough backup options when it came to recruiting the last few years of the Lavin tenure.
If we are pleasantly surprised a nab a blue chipper or two go with a Ledlum, Gaffney, etc, all the better. We will find room. In addition to Marv graduating and Ponds surely leaving to turn pro, history tells us there will be at least another transfer, not accounting for the possibility that a big year by Herron could result in him leaving. I hope Simon sticks around for his last year -- and I'm sure the staff will do everything to keep him -- but you never know with grad transfer seniors.
Bottom line - don't be concerned with us recruiting too many kids. That always works itself out. Casting a wider net is the way to go and I'd be concerned if we weren't doing that.
PRJ- great post. When it comes our position with the elite kids (Kofi, Aiden, Scottie, Whitney, Precious), here's to hoping that each of them are intending on committing in the Spring not Fall signing period. Assuming Heron is eligible, we're bound to enjoy a successful season, and the perception of the program will improve with long awaited results. We'll only become more attractive as this season progresses. Agreed on JSimon btw, praying that he spends his 5th year in Queens, losing Shamorie will be a blow but he and Heron together would ensure 19-20 success.
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I would prefer some nice early signings.
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As the last wknd of the Summer recruiting cycle nears, Chris Fisher of 247Sports picks Scottie to Queens this morning.
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As the last wknd of the Summer recruiting cycle nears, Chris Fisher of 247Sports picks Scottie to Queens this morning.
Wake me up when he signs the papers
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Per Pat Lawless
https://twitter.com/patlawless_/status/1025049106757103616?s=21
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Per Pat Lawless
https://twitter.com/patlawless_/status/1025049106757103616?s=21
Nice! Hopefully Mike Rice will be there as one of the hosts.
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Scottie told a Lexington paper this week that he's likely a Spring decision, good news for us.
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Scottie told a Lexington paper this week that he's likely a Spring decision, good news for us.
Would not get hopes up for him
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Scottie told a Lexington paper this week that he's likely a Spring decision, good news for us.
Would not get hopes up for him
Just get me to November. Throw the ball up and let this roster do all the recruiting this staff needs. Scottie or not, this season's success will get us what we need to move forward.
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Scottie told a Lexington paper this week that he's likely a Spring decision, good news for us.
Would not get hopes up for him
We didn't pay a homophobe that no other school will go near (Rice), so now he won't play? That's how the game goes I guess. As QuanMan said, win big consistently and then the rest will follow.
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Scottie told a Lexington paper this week that he's likely a Spring decision, good news for us.
Would not get hopes up for him
We didn't pay a homophobe that no other school will go near (Rice), so now he won't play?
Wtf..?
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Scottie told a Lexington paper this week that he's likely a Spring decision, good news for us.
Would not get hopes up for him
Yikes. Sounds like the 19 class will be another home run 🙄. Starting to think it's essential Heron gets cleared so we can attract recruits with a huge season.
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Both Slater and Zach indicated that Lewis could have been had by us had we hired Rice. It is absolutely infuriating the program chose not to hire him. I don't know whose decision it was to ultimately pass on Rice, but whoever it was should never be allowed to make decisions regarding them basketball program again
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Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
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Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
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Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Why aren't any other major conference programs looking to hire him?
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Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Why aren't any other major conference programs looking to hire him?
None of the other major conference programs employ an assistant coach that does absolutely 0 recruiting and 0 coaching. For other programs, Mike Rice might not be an upgrade over whoever their 3rd assistant coach is. For us, he would be a major upgrade.
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Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Why aren't any other major conference programs looking to hire him?
None of the other major conference programs employ an assistant coach that does absolutely 0 recruiting and 0 coaching. For other programs, Mike Rice might not be an upgrade over whoever their 3rd assistant coach is. For us, he would be a major upgrade.
But Mitch is in the hall of fame!
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Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Why aren't any other major conference programs looking to hire him?
+1000
Why doesn't this forum trust someone who is at the very apex of the global basketball scale? I for one trust Chris' acumen, professionalism and all world knowledge. What ever the answer is, Rice isn't being hired with good reason. Scottie or not, this season will bring us tremendous success, and we will get what we need.We're about to enjoy a 20+ win season, Heron or not.
It's late August, every single person that reads this blog is clamoring in the same fashion for 2019 results/tangible success. Yet we're coming off 3 unsuccessful seasons. Listen I'm not saying that I'm disappointed but I'm also saying- let's give our HOF HC some respect. Let the season play out before you cast stones.
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Very nice post Quanman. Unfortunately, it requires posters to show respect for the current coach and to not jump to conclusions regarding issues they know nothing about. I applaud your loyalty to Coach Mullin. You will be rewarded with a very enjoyable year of basketball coming up. As for future recruiting, it will be just as rewarding.
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Why doesn't this forum trust someone who is at the very apex of the global basketball scale?
You underestimate the expertise of the posters here. In the first place, all of them have moles and sources that inform them daily at great personal risk of the inside workings of the basketball program. That is how they knew eg that Matt Abdelmassih was leaving SJ to go to LSU, that Shamorie Ponds was transferring to Arizona, and that Mike Rice was being on boarded. That's also why we knew e.g. months in advance that Heron was coming: because those people have access to such impeccable information. Which is why I know that they know where Mitch Richmond is at all times, what his duties are, and how he affects the success (or in this case failure) of the basketball program. A cynic like yourself might believe that such people are pathetic desperate for attention rumor mongering drama queens but I for one am glad to have access to their classified inside information.
Second, you may not realize it but many posters here have much more coaching experience than Chris Mullin - and have been much more successful. Having put in hours upon hours of study of the Princeton offense, Bob Knights's motion offense, and the intricacies of the triangle and three have resulted in championships for many of them. Now, obviously coaching 5th grade girl's CYO isn't exactly the same thing as running a successful division one college basketball program, but at the same time there's no reason to doubt that Mullins has a lot to learn and if not them who? Lazy and shiftless Mitch Richmond? Wet behind the ears Gary St Jean? Don't. Make. Me. Laugh. Better that he were to take advice from posters here who have defeated powerhouses such as St Dymphna of Perpetual Sorrow in games that actually matter: championship games. Because they have the trophies on their mantles to prove it.
Remember: coaching is hard. And just because you've been successful at every facet of the game since your teens - NY State Mr Basketball, College player of the year, NBA all star, olympic gold medaler, two time inductee into the BB hall of fame - that doesn't guarantee that you've picked up any understanding of the rudiments of sport along the way. And this is especially true of someone of Mullin's physical gifts - there's no reason he'd have to think about the game when he could rely on his athleticism - his speed, strength and leaping ability to overpower opponents. Which is why someone like Mike Rice - who won an astounding one game in the BE for every three he lost - could have been the missing piece of the puzzle.
I just wish Mullin was not so stubborn that he would realize these things and that he loved the university as much as well all do so that he would do what's best for the university rather than sitting around idly lining his pockets and those of his friends. How much money does one man need. It's disgraceful.
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Man you guys really read into things.
I don't agree with Mitch being assistant on this team.
I think Chris has been weak as a head coach to date.
However it is fair to objectively question whether can major program is interested or has been interested in hiring this guy.
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or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
you mean the Administration that runs the entire school and everything associated with it.... or the Administration that is currently trying to run an Athletic Department without an Athletic Director..?
I am not saying you are wrong but do yo think the school should not have a say over who works for it..?
and for the record, I would have loved to see them hire Mike Rice...
I was totally against it when it happened but look at what hiring Tiny Morton (a total POS) did for the SHU program. The player dictated the hire, the coach helped get more players and they have been to three straight NCAA Tournaments... might not be the "right way" to do things but it can clearly work... and Kevin Willard can say what ever he wants... hiring Tiny Morton (a total POS) probably made him an extra $10mm personally...
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Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Why aren't any other major conference programs looking to hire him?
+1000
Why doesn't this forum trust someone who is at the very apex of the global basketball scale? I for one trust Chris' acumen, professionalism and all world knowledge. What ever the answer is, Rice isn't being hired with good reason. Scottie or not, this season will bring us tremendous success, and we will get what we need.We're about to enjoy a 20+ win season, Heron or not.
It's late August, every single person that reads this blog is clamoring in the same fashion for 2019 results/tangible success. Yet we're coming off 3 unsuccessful seasons. Listen I'm not saying that I'm disappointed but I'm also saying- let's give our HOF HC some respect. Let the season play out before you cast stones.
Hall of famer already got 6 million. If he were anyone else the abuse would much worse.
What makes this year different then the last 3? Why should we expect improvement? No changes = same shit.
Let this novice coach prove that he can do the job before he gets any more respect. This is not CYO. Last years 9th place finish should be looked upon as a failure.
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or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
you mean the Administration that runs the entire school and everything associated with it.... or the Administration that is currently trying to run an Athletic Department without an Athletic Director..?
I am not saying you are wrong but do yo think the school should not have a say over who works for it..?
and for the record, I would have loved to see them hire Mike Rice...
I was totally against it when it happened but look at what hiring Tiny Morton (a total POS) did for the SHU program. The player dictated the hire, the coach helped get more players and they have been to three straight NCAA Tournaments... might not be the "right way" to do things but it can clearly work... and Kevin Willard can say what ever he wants... hiring Tiny Morton (a total POS) probably made him an extra $10mm personally...
Plus the fact that Rice is knowledgeable, a hard worker and has good local AAU ties.
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Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Why aren't any other major conference programs looking to hire him?
None of the other major conference programs employ an assistant coach that does absolutely 0 recruiting and 0 coaching. For other programs, Mike Rice might not be an upgrade over whoever their 3rd assistant coach is. For us, he would be a major upgrade.
I was on board for bringing in Rice, but not because of Rice or the players he could bring. I was really on board to bring in anyone who would be an upgrade over Richmond, and it just so happened to be Rice. Now I began to think, what is the basis of my feelings behind Richmond? How do I know Richmond doesn't coach or recruit? Well it was said on Johnny Jungle. Talk about a drop your coffee cup moment. I've been duped.
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Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Why aren't any other major conference programs looking to hire him?
+1000
Why doesn't this forum trust someone who is at the very apex of the global basketball scale? I for one trust Chris' acumen, professionalism and all world knowledge. What ever the answer is, Rice isn't being hired with good reason. Scottie or not, this season will bring us tremendous success, and we will get what we need.We're about to enjoy a 20+ win season, Heron or not.
It's late August, every single person that reads this blog is clamoring in the same fashion for 2019 results/tangible success. Yet we're coming off 3 unsuccessful seasons. Listen I'm not saying that I'm disappointed but I'm also saying- let's give our HOF HC some respect. Let the season play out before you cast stones.
Chris Mullin has done nothing as a basketball coach to trust him just because he was a good player 20 and 30 years ago.
I've defended Mullin from the anti-Mullin on certain things and I've been critical when I think it's warranted. If this was his decision alone (and it may not have been) then it's a terrible one.
Even if it was somebody other than Mike Rice, the program is at a disadvantage as we have one assistant coach who essentially does NOTHING. Name one successful program where that is also the case
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Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Wanted Scottie as badly as any recruit we're chasing, but you can't have recruits dictating changes to your staff. Hes going to Florida or Kentucky without their having to bring on somebody with Rice's baggage, isn't he? Why was it required that we tie ourselves to those Rutgers' videos?
The Head Coach needs full autonomy to run the program as he sees fit. If Scottie wants to be at St. John's we'd love to have him, but a player can't dictate changes to our coaching staff.
I would understand that argument if it was Lewis' dad, uncle, or a long-lost cousin that was trying to weasel his way into a coaching spot. But it's a guy that would be an EXTREME upgrade over Mitch in the assistant coach position even without bringing any players in. If Rice would have tipped the scales in our favor for a top 10 player in the class in addition to everything else he'd bring as part of the staff, it's complete lunacy that he wasn't hired.
I don't whose decision it was and I don't know which is worse. Mullin prioritizing keeping a useless buddy on staff over the success of the program, or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
Why aren't any other major conference programs looking to hire him?
None of the other major conference programs employ an assistant coach that does absolutely 0 recruiting and 0 coaching. For other programs, Mike Rice might not be an upgrade over whoever their 3rd assistant coach is. For us, he would be a major upgrade.
I was on board for bringing in Rice, but not because of Rice or the players he could bring. I was really on board to bring in anyone who would be an upgrade over Richmond, and it just so happened to be Rice. Now I began to think, what is the basis of my feelings behind Richmond? How do I know Richmond doesn't coach or recruit? Well it was said on Johnny Jungle. Talk about a drop your coffee cup moment. I've been duped.
During the July AAU season, there are countless guys on Twitter who track and post where each high-major and most mid-major head coaches and assistant coaches are. We know where Matt is pretty much every day of the live period. Did you see anybody post that Mitch was representing SJU at an AAU event in July?
He doesn't even have to actually to players. Just sit there with a SJU shirt on. "Hey there's a Hall of Famer in the gym watching you play" - "Wow, who's he representing?" "St. John's".
That would be enough for me, but he couldn't even do that.
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or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
you mean the Administration that runs the entire school and everything associated with it.... or the Administration that is currently trying to run an Athletic Department without an Athletic Director..?
I am not saying you are wrong but do yo think the school should not have a say over who works for it..?
and for the record, I would have loved to see them hire Mike Rice...
I was totally against it when it happened but look at what hiring Tiny Morton (a total POS) did for the SHU program. The player dictated the hire, the coach helped get more players and they have been to three straight NCAA Tournaments... might not be the "right way" to do things but it can clearly work... and Kevin Willard can say what ever he wants... hiring Tiny Morton (a total POS) probably made him an extra $10mm personally...
Yes, agree. My problem is you have people that have no idea how sports or basketball work making sports and basketball decisions. Let's say Mullin wanted to bring Rice in but was shot down from somebody above him not in the athletic department. Are you ok with the school raising prices on everything basketball related and then making decisions that would hinder the program's success?
College sports is a dirty business. Everybody is cheating and the NCAA protects most of those cheaters. There are some absolutely terrible people that have and continue to achieve great success in college sports. If all we want to be is the nice program with nice guys coaching and we don't care about getting embarrassed on the court every year we should have just kept Norm around.
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Why doesn't this forum trust someone who is at the very apex of the global basketball scale?
You underestimate the expertise of the posters here. In the first place, all of them have moles and sources that inform them daily at great personal risk of the inside workings of the basketball program. That is how they knew eg that Matt Abdelmassih was leaving SJ to go to LSU, that Shamorie Ponds was transferring to Arizona, and that Mike Rice was being on boarded. That's also why we knew e.g. months in advance that Heron was coming: because those people have access to such impeccable information. Which is why I know that they know where Mitch Richmond is at all times, what his duties are, and how he affects the success (or in this case failure) of the basketball program. A cynic like yourself might believe that such people are pathetic desperate for attention rumor mongering drama queens but I for one am glad to have access to their classified inside information.
Second, you may not realize it but many posters here have much more coaching experience than Chris Mullin - and have been much more successful. Having put in hours upon hours of study of the Princeton offense, Bob Knights's motion offense, and the intricacies of the triangle and three have resulted in championships for many of them. Now, obviously coaching 5th grade girl's CYO isn't exactly the same thing as running a successful division one college basketball program, but at the same time there's no reason to doubt that Mullins has a lot to learn and if not them who? Lazy and shiftless Mitch Richmond? Wet behind the ears Gary St Jean? Don't. Make. Me. Laugh. Better that he were to take advice from posters here who have defeated powerhouses such as St Dymphna of Perpetual Sorrow in games that actually matter: championship games. Because they have the trophies on their mantles to prove it.
Remember: coaching is hard. And just because you've been successful at every facet of the game since your teens - NY State Mr Basketball, College player of the year, NBA all star, olympic gold medaler, two time inductee into the BB hall of fame - that doesn't guarantee that you've picked up any understanding of the rudiments of sport along the way. And this is especially true of someone of Mullin's physical gifts - there's no reason he'd have to think about the game when he could rely on his athleticism - his speed, strength and leaping ability to overpower opponents. Which is why someone like Mike Rice - who won an astounding one game in the BE for every three he lost - could have been the missing piece of the puzzle.
I just wish Mullin was not so stubborn that he would realize these things and that he loved the university as much as well all do so that he would do what's best for the university rather than sitting around idly lining his pockets and those of his friends. How much money does one man need. It's disgraceful.
I totally get what you are saying, but you sticking up for Mullin here who has a 12-42 record in Big East Conference play, and criticizing Mike Rice for his 1 win for every 3 games he lost actually had a better record in Big East play after 3 seasons ....16-38. All I'm saying is its not the end of the world that they didn't hire him as an assistant, but I think it would have helped to have an assistant with some experience.
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Wouldn’t use them as the example (and I wanted Rice). Yes, they’ve been to 3 straight tourneys, but they may be in hot water with the NCAA because of their shadiness. Plus, I live in Northern Jersey, and I can tell you most people could care less about their consecutive tourney runs - our wins versus Duke and Nova got more attention than their season last year. Hiring Tiny and Antigua and turning a blind eye to their violations - or condoning it outright - worked out for Kevin Willard personally. But I would never want our program to do that (and Rice wasn’t that type of deal anyway).
or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
you mean the Administration that runs the entire school and everything associated with it.... or the Administration that is currently trying to run an Athletic Department without an Athletic Director..?
I am not saying you are wrong but do yo think the school should not have a say over who works for it..?
and for the record, I would have loved to see them hire Mike Rice...
I was totally against it when it happened but look at what hiring Tiny Morton (a total POS) did for the SHU program. The player dictated the hire, the coach helped get more players and they have been to three straight NCAA Tournaments... might not be the "right way" to do things but it can clearly work... and Kevin Willard can say what ever he wants... hiring Tiny Morton (a total POS) probably made him an extra $10mm personally...
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Wouldn’t use them as the example (and I wanted Rice). Yes, they’ve been to 3 straight tourneys, but they may be in hot water with the NCAA because of their shadiness. Plus, I live in Northern Jersey, and I can tell you most people could care less about their consecutive tourney runs - our wins versus Duke and Nova got more attention than their season last year. Hiring Tiny and Antigua and turning a blind eye to their violations - or condoning it outright - worked out for Kevin Willard personally. But I would never want our program to do that (and Rice wasn’t that type of deal anyway).
or the administration sticking their nose into the basketball business yet again.
you mean the Administration that runs the entire school and everything associated with it.... or the Administration that is currently trying to run an Athletic Department without an Athletic Director..?
I am not saying you are wrong but do yo think the school should not have a say over who works for it..?
and for the record, I would have loved to see them hire Mike Rice...
I was totally against it when it happened but look at what hiring Tiny Morton (a total POS) did for the SHU program. The player dictated the hire, the coach helped get more players and they have been to three straight NCAA Tournaments... might not be the "right way" to do things but it can clearly work... and Kevin Willard can say what ever he wants... hiring Tiny Morton (a total POS) probably made him an extra $10mm personally...
Seton Hall is not in any hot water with the NCAA because of Tiny or Antigua. A bunch of programs have done the same exact thing because it's technically legal. Yeah, there was almost definitely some side deals going on but pretty much every program does stuff like that and the NCAA acted like they had no clue it was going on until the FBI got involved. If you ain't cheating you ain't trying.
Again, if you prioritize having a nice, clean coaching staff that does everything by the book over winning, Norm should still be here.
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I know hiring Tiny or Antigua was within the rules. But Seton Hall is being investigated because of what went on between Tiny, Whitehead and Andy Millers agency. So, yes, they are potentially in hot water from that hire. Who knows what it will uncover, but if you think Kevin Willard didn’t know what was going on or simply chose to be deliberately ignorant, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. And God knows what Antigua was doing and what might come out from that in light of the Tiny investigation.
I’m not saying we are or should be squeaky clean. We aren’t. I’m saying there are lines and degrees, and one that I don’t want to cross is hiring the Tiny Morton’s of the world. We can win 20 games and make a tourney without that.
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We can win 20 games and make a tourney without that.
You sure about that?
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1000%. Look no further than the much maligned Steve Lavin, who won 20 games 3 times for two tourney births (and should have been a third) in 5 years. Of course, Lavin was not squeaky clean, but one of the lines he drew was not hiring Tiny Morton. It probably cost Lavs his job. There are plenty of other examples.
The SH deal was made because Kevin Willard cares about Kevin Willard. Hiring Tiny kept him from getting canned. Period. If that investigation blows up, he will skip town before the fallout.
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2019 @Scott_lewis_23 tells me he’s down to Kentucky and Florida and he has no timetable on decision. Story coming later.
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Florida it is
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Florida it is
Another situation where we really had no chance. Need to put down a big season before these guys take us seriously.
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Florida it is
Florida? The alma mater of the owner of Team Rio, who owns the house Scottie lives in, where his mother pays "market rate" rent?
And who gave a scholarship to that guy's son, who is a nice player but not SEC material?
Man, who saw that coming? LOL