6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: paultzman on February 16, 2017, 07:12:30 PM
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Just thinking out loud, Matt A is close with Will Wade, VCU HC and other coaches who could be up for high major jobs this coming spring. I assume Chris and SJU Administration will make sure to keep him here. He is the only AC with recruiting relationships and transfer prowess. Hopefully someone else on staff will be out there soon to give him a hand. One guy can't do it all IMO.
We would be in some serious trouble if he moved on, considering he has already recruited the entire team and has the short term future of the program directly tied to him. Maybe I worry too much. :)
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Matt is a home grown loyal alum who loves St. John's and worships Chris Mullin. He left a very successful Iowa State program to last year be part of a team that went 1 and 17 in the BE. He wanted to come home, and this is still home. As long as CM is here, Matt's not going anywhere.
As much or more than any of our players, he wants to be here to return St. John's to national prominence.
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Matt is a home grown loyal alum who loves St. John's and worships Chris Mullin. He left a very successful Iowa State program to last year be part of a team that went 1 and 17 in the BE. He wanted to come home, and this is still home. As long as CM is here, Matt's not going anywhere.
As much or more than any of our players, he wants to be here to return St. John's to national prominence.
If Paultzman's bringing it up I'm guessing it's a little more than just pure speculation but he could correct me if I'm wrong. If there is indeed something to it hopefully he is just bluffing and looking for more money.
Unfair to say Matt A left Iowa St for St. John's without mentioning that the head coach he worked for there left Iowa St for the Chicago Bulls. Matt may have come here anyway but there is little to no loyalty in this business and money talks
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Matt is a home grown loyal alum who loves St. John's and worships Chris Mullin. He left a very successful Iowa State program to last year be part of a team that went 1 and 17 in the BE. He wanted to come home, and this is still home. As long as CM is here, Matt's not going anywhere.
As much or more than any of our players, he wants to be here to return St. John's to national prominence.
If Paultzman's bringing it up I'm guessing it's a little more than just pure speculation but he could correct me if I'm wrong. If there is indeed something to it hopefully he is just bluffing and looking for more money.
Unfair to say Matt A left Iowa St for St. John's without mentioning that the head coach he worked for there left Iowa St for the Chicago Bulls. Matt may have come here anyway but there is little to no loyalty in this business and money talks
No, Wade's name being mentioned for NC State job possibility just got me thinking.
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Matt is a home grown loyal alum who loves St. John's and worships Chris Mullin. He left a very successful Iowa State program to last year be part of a team that went 1 and 17 in the BE. He wanted to come home, and this is still home. As long as CM is here, Matt's not going anywhere.
As much or more than any of our players, he wants to be here to return St. John's to national prominence.
If Paultzman's bringing it up I'm guessing it's a little more than just pure speculation but he could correct me if I'm wrong. If there is indeed something to it hopefully he is just bluffing and looking for more money.
Unfair to say Matt A left Iowa St for St. John's without mentioning that the head coach he worked for there left Iowa St for the Chicago Bulls. Matt may have come here anyway but there is little to no loyalty in this business and money talks
No, Wade's name being mentioned for NC State job possibility just got me thinking.
Fair enough, thanks for the clarity. Matt might be the single most important person in the entire program right now. Him leaving would be a knife to the heart
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Those dots are connectable. Will is one of the fastest risers in the biz and he'd definitely court Matt. Those two are always sitting next to each other at recruiting events. Other SEC and ACC schools are also poking around.
If someone offers him a better deal loyalty or not he'd be a fool not to listen/entertain/consider. Same can be said for anyone in any profession.
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Just thinking out loud, Matt A is close with Will Wade, VCU HC and other coaches who could be up for high major jobs this coming spring. I assume Chris and SJU Administration will make sure to keep him here. He is the only AC with recruiting relationships and transfer prowess. Hopefully someone else on staff will be out there soon to give him a hand. One guy can't do it all IMO.
We would be in some serious trouble if he moved on, considering he has already recruited the entire team and has the short term future of the program directly tied to him. Maybe I worry too much. :)
The fellow fan whom I spoke with last night mentioned the same thing, in regard to Matt A basically being the only coach out there recruiting. Nearly verbatim.
It does make one wonder, once you think about it.
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If/ and/ when Matt A moves on whenever that may be look for Grasso to be next up.
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The whole Matt A allure is going to fade over time once every kid realizes he has nothing to do with the actual coaching of basketball. In 2 years I don't think I've seen this guy off the bench aside from huddles. Even then, he stands at the periphery and says nothing to anyone. It would be nice to have assistants who could recruit and coach but guess not possible at SJU. It appears Richmond does neither, which is wonderful. I like St Jean but something tells me parents are not going to be excited to entertain handing their son over to a 26 year old.
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The whole Matt A allure is going to fade over time once every kid realizes he has nothing to do with the actual coaching of basketball. In 2 years I don't think I've seen this guy off the bench aside from huddles. Even then, he stands at the periphery and says nothing to anyone. It would be nice to have assistants who could recruit and coach but guess not possible at SJU. It appears Richmond does neither, which is wonderful. I like St Jean but something tells me parents are not going to be excited to entertain handing their son over to a 26 year old.
There is so much ignorance in this post I don't know where to begin.
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The whole Matt A allure is going to fade over time once every kid realizes he has nothing to do with the actual coaching of basketball. In 2 years I don't think I've seen this guy off the bench aside from huddles. Even then, he stands at the periphery and says nothing to anyone. It would be nice to have assistants who could recruit and coach but guess not possible at SJU. It appears Richmond does neither, which is wonderful. I like St Jean but something tells me parents are not going to be excited to entertain handing their son over to a 26 year old.
There is so much ignorance in this post I don't know where to begin.
Agree wholeheartedly (the ignorance part).
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The whole Matt A allure is going to fade over time once every kid realizes he has nothing to do with the actual coaching of basketball. In 2 years I don't think I've seen this guy off the bench aside from huddles. Even then, he stands at the periphery and says nothing to anyone. It would be nice to have assistants who could recruit and coach but guess not possible at SJU. It appears Richmond does neither, which is wonderful. I like St Jean but something tells me parents are not going to be excited to entertain handing their son over to a 26 year old.
There is so much ignorance in this post I don't know where to begin.
Agree wholeheartedly (the ignorance part).
Matt seems like a loyal alum in a dream situation for him. But we should add another recruiter to assist and enable Matt to go after bigger fish. Don't know that he has any HC aspirations . Somehow I see CM coaching as long as he wants and then turning the reigns over to St Jean, who by that time will be a 30 something experienced AC. You know how bad we do in transitioning coaches, so St. Jean would be the leading candidate. Similar to Louie and Mahoney. Hopefully with better results.
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Matt is a home grown loyal alum who loves St. John's and worships Chris Mullin. He left a very successful Iowa State program to last year be part of a team that went 1 and 17 in the BE. He wanted to come home, and this is still home. As long as CM is here, Matt's not going anywhere.
As much or more than any of our players, he wants to be here to return St. John's to national prominence.
If Paultzman's bringing it up I'm guessing it's a little more than just pure speculation but he could correct me if I'm wrong. If there is indeed something to it hopefully he is just bluffing and looking for more money.
Unfair to say Matt A left Iowa St for St. John's without mentioning that the head coach he worked for there left Iowa St for the Chicago Bulls. Matt may have come here anyway but there is little to no loyalty in this business and money talks
He came here before Hoiberg took the Bulls job. Mullin hired him right off, while the NBA season was still going on. Hoiberg didn't bolt for another six weeks, or so.
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Matt is a home grown loyal alum who loves St. John's and worships Chris Mullin. He left a very successful Iowa State program to last year be part of a team that went 1 and 17 in the BE. He wanted to come home, and this is still home. As long as CM is here, Matt's not going anywhere.
As much or more than any of our players, he wants to be here to return St. John's to national prominence.
If Paultzman's bringing it up I'm guessing it's a little more than just pure speculation but he could correct me if I'm wrong. If there is indeed something to it hopefully he is just bluffing and looking for more money.
Unfair to say Matt A left Iowa St for St. John's without mentioning that the head coach he worked for there left Iowa St for the Chicago Bulls. Matt may have come here anyway but there is little to no loyalty in this business and money talks
He came here before Hoiberg took the Bulls job. Mullin hired him right off, while the NBA season was still going on. Hoiberg didn't bolt for another six weeks, or so.
It was pretty evident that Hoiberg was taking the Bulls job after how GarPax treated Thibs.
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This is not a knock against Mullin, but in my opinion Matt is the most valuable person on the staff.
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Matt A is doing all the heavy lifting and unfudging all the recruitment classes so there will be no more 20 players graduating at the same time....Once he brings balance back to the force, SJU continues to win more and make the tournament, hopefully overall recruiting becomes easier where the staff can help him out, and Coach Mullin is not as dependent on him as he is now...In general I don't like one organization being too dependent on one person, nothing against Matt A.
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Matt is a home grown loyal alum who loves St. John's and worships Chris Mullin. He left a very successful Iowa State program to last year be part of a team that went 1 and 17 in the BE. He wanted to come home, and this is still home. As long as CM is here, Matt's not going anywhere.
As much or more than any of our players, he wants to be here to return St. John's to national prominence.
If Paultzman's bringing it up I'm guessing it's a little more than just pure speculation but he could correct me if I'm wrong. If there is indeed something to it hopefully he is just bluffing and looking for more money.
Unfair to say Matt A left Iowa St for St. John's without mentioning that the head coach he worked for there left Iowa St for the Chicago Bulls. Matt may have come here anyway but there is little to no loyalty in this business and money talks
He came here before Hoiberg took the Bulls job. Mullin hired him right off, while the NBA season was still going on. Hoiberg didn't bolt for another six weeks, or so.
I don't think I'm going too far on a limb to say he was aware of the possibility. Wasn't a done deal but there was a certain level of probability.
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Matt A is doing all the heavy lifting and unfudging all the recruitment classes so there will be no more 20 players graduating at the same time....Once he brings balance back to the force, SJU continues to win more and make the tournament, hopefully overall recruiting becomes easier where the staff can help him out, and Coach Mullin is not as dependent on him as he is now...In general I don't like one organization being too dependent on one person, nothing against Matt A.
Would prefer the same but I am slightly nervous about Matt booking. Not sure where program would be without his recruiting acumen.
A lot of coaches were ringing Lovett in offseason and SJU would be foolish to think they're not doing same to Matt.
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Matt A is doing all the heavy lifting and unfudging all the recruitment classes so there will be no more 20 players graduating at the same time....Once he brings balance back to the force, SJU continues to win more and make the tournament, hopefully overall recruiting becomes easier where the staff can help him out, and Coach Mullin is not as dependent on him as he is now...In general I don't like one organization being too dependent on one person, nothing against Matt A.
Would prefer the same but I am slightly nervous about Matt booking. Not sure where program would be without his recruiting acumen.
A lot of coaches were ringing Lovett in offseason and SJU would be foolish to think they're not doing same to Matt.
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Matt A is doing all the heavy lifting and unfudging all the recruitment classes so there will be no more 20 players graduating at the same time....Once he brings balance back to the force, SJU continues to win more and make the tournament, hopefully overall recruiting becomes easier where the staff can help him out, and Coach Mullin is not as dependent on him as he is now...In general I don't like one organization being too dependent on one person, nothing against Matt A.
Would prefer the same but I am slightly nervous about Matt booking. Not sure where program would be without his recruiting acumen.
A lot of coaches were ringing Lovett in offseason and SJU would be foolish to think they're not doing same to Matt.
If we lose him this program would be irreprobly harmed. While other schools might poach we should make sure he is handsomely compensated.
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This is the scariest thread I've read in a long time. Matt is the most important person on the bench.
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It's dissapointing reading about Lovett possibly not returning. This is worse.I don't think Paultzman started this thread just based on a gutt feeling. We are St.Johns.
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Goes without saying that he is extremely important going forward and I hope he stays for a long time. I've always thought his love for the area and school, as well as desire to get this right, will carry the day.
Matt A is doing all the heavy lifting and unfudging all the recruitment classes so there will be no more 20 players graduating at the same time....Once he brings balance back to the force, SJU continues to win more and make the tournament, hopefully overall recruiting becomes easier where the staff can help him out, and Coach Mullin is not as dependent on him as he is now...In general I don't like one organization being too dependent on one person, nothing against Matt A.
Would prefer the same but I am slightly nervous about Matt booking. Not sure where program would be without his recruiting acumen.
A lot of coaches were ringing Lovett in offseason and SJU would be foolish to think they're not doing same to Matt.
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Anyone know why Chris, Greg or Mitch don't go anywhere with Matt?
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They would slow him down :D :D
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It is natural for anyone to want a new challenge in their career. You don't ever want to be typecast as a specialist that can't do anything else. Which if I were Matt, I would feel a bit nervous that perception is that 'I'm a great recruiter'. I'd want each step along my career to be cumulative, providing a more holistic, well-rounded skill-set. From the outside, at SJU, it doesn't seem like his responsibilities are above and beyond recruiting. Anyone that gets into a profession wants to reach the highest levels. For him, I imagine that he wants to be a head coach. Question is, is SJU helping him build towards that?
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Anyone know why Chris, Greg or Mitch don't go anywhere with Matt?
busy perfecting our defense
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This is the scariest thread I've read in a long time. Matt is the most important person on the bench.
These rumors leave me encouraged. With Lovett, Ponds, Ahmed, Ellison, Mussini, Owens and Yakwe transferring, that leaves several scholarships open. Matt A and Richmond leaving leaves openings on the staff for experienced X and O coaches like Tom Pecora and Mike Rice. If Mullin were to quit - he sold his house on the east coach fyi - there's a head coaching position available. That leaves a lot of room for improvement.
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Simple, pay Matt more and make him a real first Assistant. Drop Mitch and ass another real good recruiter.. recruiting is our lifeblood. Matt A is a recruiter, not an X's and O's guy. He needs help and respect he deserves as a recruiter. Hiring Mitch to replace Slice doesn't make much sense. I'd rather move Matt up to Slice's spot and hire a hungry assistant. This is NOT the time to mess with losing Abdelmassih, as he's indespensible.
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Simple, pay Matt more and make him a real first Assistant. Drop Mitch and ass another real good recruiter.. recruiting is our lifeblood. Matt A is a recruiter, not an X's and O's guy. He needs help and respect he deserves as a recruiter. Hiring Mitch to replace Slice doesn't make much sense. I'd rather move Matt up to Slice's spot and hire a hungry assistant. This is NOT the time to mess with losing Abdelmassih, as he's indespensible.
Agree, the point is to give him help and compensate him fairly (perhaps he is), not that he is leaving.
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Simple, pay Matt more and make him a real first Assistant. Drop Mitch and ass another real good recruiter.. recruiting is our lifeblood. Matt A is a recruiter, not an X's and O's guy. He needs help and respect he deserves as a recruiter. Hiring Mitch to replace Slice doesn't make much sense. I'd rather move Matt up to Slice's spot and hire a hungry assistant. This is NOT the time to mess with losing Abdelmassih, as he's indespensible.
Agree, the point is to give him help and compensate him fairly (perhaps he is), not that he is leaving.
They have to know to bring in someone after this season to help him on the recruiting trail, right?
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Simple, pay Matt more and make him a real first Assistant. Drop Mitch and ass another real good recruiter.. recruiting is our lifeblood. Matt A is a recruiter, not an X's and O's guy. He needs help and respect he deserves as a recruiter. Hiring Mitch to replace Slice doesn't make much sense. I'd rather move Matt up to Slice's spot and hire a hungry assistant. This is NOT the time to mess with losing Abdelmassih, as he's indespensible.
Agree, the point is to give him help and compensate him fairly (perhaps he is), not that he is leaving.
They have to know to bring in someone after this season to help him on the recruiting trail, right?
Mitch & St. Jean can do it now, so even if they don't fill vacant slot they have enough coaches to do it. Having a designated guy to share load all year seems desirable. Slice obviously had that responsibility.
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Simple, pay Matt more and make him a real first Assistant. Drop Mitch and ass another real good recruiter.. recruiting is our lifeblood. Matt A is a recruiter, not an X's and O's guy. He needs help and respect he deserves as a recruiter. Hiring Mitch to replace Slice doesn't make much sense. I'd rather move Matt up to Slice's spot and hire a hungry assistant. This is NOT the time to mess with losing Abdelmassih, as he's indespensible.
Agree, the point is to give him help and compensate him fairly (perhaps he is), not that he is leaving.
They have to know to bring in someone after this season to help him on the recruiting trail, right?
Mitch & St. Jean can do it now, so even if they don't fill vacant slot they have enough coaches to do it. Having a designated guy to share load all year seems desirable. Slice obviously had that responsibility.
But Mitch and St Jean aren't really recruiters at all from what I can tell. Is the word still that they are looking to bring in Mike Rice? I'm not sure if he's an aggressive recruiter but I do remember seeing him at a bunch of HS games when he was at Rutgers
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Simple, pay Matt more and make him a real first Assistant. Drop Mitch and ass another real good recruiter.. recruiting is our lifeblood. Matt A is a recruiter, not an X's and O's guy. He needs help and respect he deserves as a recruiter. Hiring Mitch to replace Slice doesn't make much sense. I'd rather move Matt up to Slice's spot and hire a hungry assistant. This is NOT the time to mess with losing Abdelmassih, as he's indespensible.
Agree, the point is to give him help and compensate him fairly (perhaps he is), not that he is leaving.
They have to know to bring in someone after this season to help him on the recruiting trail, right?
Mitch & St. Jean can do it now, so even if they don't fill vacant slot they have enough coaches to do it. Having a designated guy to share load all year seems desirable. Slice obviously had that responsibility.
But Mitch and St Jean aren't really recruiters at all from what I can tell. Is the word still that they are looking to bring in Mike Rice? I'm not sure if he's an aggressive recruiter but I do remember seeing him at a bunch of HS games when he was at Rutgers
Agree another recruiter is one way to go & common practice
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Simple, pay Matt more and make him a real first Assistant. Drop Mitch and ass another real good recruiter.. recruiting is our lifeblood. Matt A is a recruiter, not an X's and O's guy. He needs help and respect he deserves as a recruiter. Hiring Mitch to replace Slice doesn't make much sense. I'd rather move Matt up to Slice's spot and hire a hungry assistant. This is NOT the time to mess with losing Abdelmassih, as he's indespensible.
Agree, the point is to give him help and compensate him fairly (perhaps he is), not that he is leaving.
They have to know to bring in someone after this season to help him on the recruiting trail, right?
Mitch & St. Jean can do it now, so even if they don't fill vacant slot they have enough coaches to do it. Having a designated guy to share load all year seems desirable. Slice obviously had that responsibility.
But Mitch and St Jean aren't really recruiters at all from what I can tell. Is the word still that they are looking to bring in Mike Rice? I'm not sure if he's an aggressive recruiter but I do remember seeing him at a bunch of HS games when he was at Rutgers
Mike Rice I'm sure is a bit of both. He was still one of Rutgers more effective head coaches, and the lead guy for many recruits. I think he learned his lesson, and seems like a good choice to me, but I'm fine with going with primarily a recruiter too.
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Simple, pay Matt more and make him a real first Assistant. Drop Mitch and ass another real good recruiter.. recruiting is our lifeblood. Matt A is a recruiter, not an X's and O's guy. He needs help and respect he deserves as a recruiter. Hiring Mitch to replace Slice doesn't make much sense. I'd rather move Matt up to Slice's spot and hire a hungry assistant. This is NOT the time to mess with losing Abdelmassih, as he's indespensible.
Agree, the point is to give him help and compensate him fairly (perhaps he is), not that he is leaving.
They have to know to bring in someone after this season to help him on the recruiting trail, right?
Mitch & St. Jean can do it now, so even if they don't fill vacant slot they have enough coaches to do it. Having a designated guy to share load all year seems desirable. Slice obviously had that responsibility.
But Mitch and St Jean aren't really recruiters at all from what I can tell. Is the word still that they are looking to bring in Mike Rice? I'm not sure if he's an aggressive recruiter but I do remember seeing him at a bunch of HS games when he was at Rutgers
Mike Rice I'm sure is a bit of both. He was still one of Rutgers more effective head coaches, and the lead guy for many recruits. I think he learned his lesson, and seems like a good choice to me, but I'm fine with going with primarily a recruiter too.
I'd be a big fan of bringing Mike Rice on board. He seemed to have Rutgers inching in the right direction and did a great job at Robert Morris before that. I still remember his Robert Morris team taking 2 seed Villanova to OT in the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament in a game where Villanova got every single call down the stretch
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By the way, if we let go Richmond for Rice, then there will not be an African-American presence on the staff. I don't have an issue with Rice, as we need an experienced coach on the sidelines. But, if there isn't a black assistant on our staff, then some of y'all are going to be in for a rude awakening.
This ain't just idle chatter, either.
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By the way, if we let go Richmond for Rice, then there will not be an African-American presence on the staff. I don't have an issue with Rice, as we need an experienced coach on the sidelines. But, if there isn't a black assistant on our staff, then some of y'all are going to be in for a rude awakening.
This ain't just idle chatter, either.
If that happens someone will just have to spend a lot of time at the tanning salon and just hope he doesn't come out orange like our last AD. :)
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We need a strong in-game, X's and O's coach more than we need a recruiting ass't IMO.
To have one ace recruiter (Matt) is enough. Mike Rice is a very good sideline, X's and O's guy and that's what this staff desperately needs more than anything.
I would give Matt more money if they're worried about him jumping. We are lucky to have one of the best young recruiters in the biz in Matt, can't lose that.
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There are no Asians on the staff
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Johnny 23, I totally disagree. We are playing well andbhave enough X's and O's. Talent is everything. We need a guy that can get on the road and help Matt out.
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If the money is right, Matt should stay here. Let's be honest, as good as he is with recruiting, he is not on a head coaching trajectory for his career. He's got a good chance of being the official first assistant and "associate head coach" here and who knows after Mullin retires. Right or wrong, you just don't see 5'3 head coaches...ever.
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Johnny 23, I totally disagree. We are playing well andbhave enough X's and O's. Talent is everything. We need a guy that can get on the road and help Matt out.
We agree to disagree then. Talent isn't everything. You still need coaching. If talent was everything, then you wouldn't see mid majors knock off vastly more talented teams every single year in the tourney.
It's a combination of both. We are still lacking in the X's an O's dept. Our defense doesn't play as a unit much of the time and we continue to need the coaches to teach our guys the fundamentals like boxing out and moving without the ball Also what's to say Matt can't handle the recruiting on his own? You really just need one very good recruiter. He can use Richmond or another asst if he's shorthanded.
I think a good bench coach is more critical to this team as Matt can manage the recruiting dept. just fine. Not to mention Mullin who is a major asset in recruiting.
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Maybe St. Jean has aspirations to get to the NBA. Or maybe he wants to become the youngest head coach in NCAA history and hunts a really low job. Or maybe even he is assistant who gets advisory/DOBO title.
I have no idea to what Richmond actually does or doesnt do but in general I like the idea of having him as a full time assistant because in theory if used right he could have major impact with his gravitas or what have you being in gyms and using relationships as well as working directly with players. Bring Rice
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No reason why Richmond and/or Mullin can't hit the local gyms with Matt or give him a break once in awhile.
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No reason why Richmond and/or Mullin can't hit the local gyms with Matt or give him a break once in awhile.
Yup
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Johnny 23, I totally disagree. We are playing well andbhave enough X's and O's. Talent is everything. We need a guy that can get on the road and help Matt out.
Didn't we just give up 110 points?
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Johnny 23, I totally disagree. We are playing well andbhave enough X's and O's. Talent is everything. We need a guy that can get on the road and help Matt out.
Didn't we just give up 110 points?
Defense is overrated. All we needed to do was score 111 and we would have won.
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This is a fun speculative thread, but in reality I think it's a very long shot for him to leave, even if someone offers more money. 1. If is an SJU guy so there is strong loyalty to the school...He love Iowa State and one of the big reasons that he left was Mullin and SJU came calling...SJU finally started to take basketball serious again. 2. He would at this poin almost cripple SJU if he left now. That would be a cruel move to go back home just to leave the school in a bad position and stop all positive momentum. It was also really screw over Mullin. 3. If he can make SJU great again AND consistently great he could pretty much go anywhere he would want....Even if the school does not become successful he has already shown he can recruit great classes to schools that struggle.
I think he's here for at least 3-4 more years if not longer...Not counting that him and Mullin have a falling out for some reason. I can see this scenario if next year is a disappointing season. I would still find this HIGHLY UNLIKELY...
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Minus the Zach Brown fiasco, it's been eight months since we've had a commitment (Diakite).
Less a likely grad transfer/JUCO or unknown HS senior for next year, it will likely be a while before we get a commitment of any substance. When Matt gets a few more verbals for '18/'19 things will settle down but that will likely be a while, which will only make the rumors grow in the short term.
I can't imagine he has an easy job on selling the program.
Let's support him. I hope he's here for a long time.
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No reason why Richmond and/or Mullin can't hit the local gyms with Matt or give him a break once in awhile.
Agree, I'm not nearly as connected as other but from what I've heard Mullin either hates recruiting, isn't good at it, or both
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Showing up at a gym for games where other head coaches are also at isn't that hard...
It's not like Mullin is being asked to pull a Jim Harbaugh and have sleepovers on the floor of a recruits house and dunk Oreo's together.
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No reason why Richmond and/or Mullin can't hit the local gyms with Matt or give him a break once in awhile.
I don't think anyone cares they do it. I know I don't. You have 12 wins in year two. You better win another game, or you are Norm Roberts.
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Well, today is his birthday.
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Corey Evans of Rivals says SJU is poised to have a big 2018 class, lots of effort being put in by Matt:
BIG EAST: ST. JOHN'S
The rebuild in Queens has taken the next step in recent weeks as St. John’s has gone on a quick run in Big East play, displaying just how close that they are to a berth in the NCAA Tournament come next season.
Having little need in the 2017 recruiting class, the Red Storm threw most of their attention into the 2018 crop. Their locale has provided for some of the nation's top prospects.
Already on board is Boubacar Diakite, a 6-foot-8, versatile and high-upside forward who plays for the same high school program that shot blocking sensation Kassoum Yakwe once suited up for. Several more could be ready to join Diakite as Chris Mullin and his staff have laid down the proper foundation in recruiting such others as top-100 prospects Luther Muhammad, Isaiah Mucius, Khalid Moore, Naz Reid and Lou King. A commitment from any of the group would come as no surprise.
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/conference-wrap-programs-off-to-fast-starts-in-2018-recruiting?utm_content=bufferf4182&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.
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Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.
Hello Tim Hardaway? Maybe Terrance? If Matt leaves it better be for a big pay increase otherwise he doesn't love ST J's as much as we thought or doesn't think our future is very bright. Would hope and think he stays.
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Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.
No kidding
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Mike rice
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Once again Baldi on point
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Once again Baldi on point
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Once again Baldi on point
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Supposedly, Will Wade will target Matt A. when or if he lands a bigger job. Wade may very, well land another gig shortly.
No offense, but you have been often off, Baldi. You've gotten as many wrong as you've gotten right. But, you may be on point this time.
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Wade getting an offer would not be a surprise. Seeing if a friend, is interested in opportunity should not surprise.
But Matt leaving would be a huge hit. It would mean SJU couldn't keep him $$ happy, or Matt thinks it's a dead end to big time.
Mullin and Goff need to ensure he's more than compensated because not sure what other seasoned recruiter would be able to step in, plus lose any progress on those '18-19 kids.
Seems Mike Rice name keeps getting floated as need at SJU but is that even a legit possibility ? Would the staff dynamics work ? Seems he has options for lower level D1 head than asst.
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Once again Baldi on point
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Supposedly, Will Wade will target Matt A. when or if he lands a bigger job. Wade may very, well land another gig shortly.
No offense, but you have been often off, Baldi. You've gotten as many wrong as you've gotten right. But, you may be on point this time.
I'm only breaking balls
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Once again Baldi on point
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Supposedly, Will Wade will target Matt A. when or if he lands a bigger job. Wade may very, well land another gig shortly.
No offense, but you have been often off, Baldi. You've gotten as many wrong as you've gotten right. But, you may be on point this time.
So he's batting .500?
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Once again Baldi on point
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Supposedly, Will Wade will target Matt A. when or if he lands a bigger job. Wade may very, well land another gig shortly.
No offense, but you have been often off, Baldi. You've gotten as many wrong as you've gotten right. But, you may be on point this time.
I'm only breaking balls
+1
Once again Baldi on point
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Supposedly, Will Wade will target Matt A. when or if he lands a bigger job. Wade may very, well land another gig shortly.
No offense, but you have been often off, Baldi. You've gotten as many wrong as you've gotten right. But, you may be on point this time.
So he's batting .500?
.375. LOL, I'm just clownin'.
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Should An assistant choose to leave,, let's hope nothing comes back to bite St Johns in the ass
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Taking away any inroads to recruits we are on would kill us.
This is the danger of only having one assistant out on the road more often than not.
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Hearing Will Wade has a good shot at one of these high major jobs currently open and will make it a priority to get Matt with him wherever he lands.
No kidding
In other breaking news I'm hearing that JFK might be in danger if he travels to Dallas.
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So is next year our year recruiting?
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So is next year our year recruiting?
That was 17, no?
Then I heard 18 was the big one. And it's fair to say so far (still somewhat early) it hasn't delivered.
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So is next year our year recruiting?
That was 17, no?
Then I heard 18 was the big one. And it's fair to say so far (still somewhat early) it hasn't delivered.
Wait, so 18 is our year?
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Wade to LSU per Goodman and others
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Wade will be on the hot seat in three years.
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Wade to LSU per Goodman and others
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
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And now we wait
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Got to figure LSU will be willing to pay big bucks even to assistants. May have to pony up.
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Guess we'll get to see how ridiculous this whole thread has been.
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Wade will be on the hot seat in three years.
Do what your saying is there is a chance in 4 years for Matt to return to SJU?
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Zach BrazillerVerified account @NYPost_Brazille 5m5 minutes ago
Hearing new LSU's Will Wade will make adding St. John's assistant Matt Abdelmassih a top priority, and he will seriously consider it. #sjubb
Zach, as usual, showing up late to the party
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@NYPost_Brazille 7m7 minutes ago
Will Wade and Matt Abdelmassih are very close. This isn't the longshot I previously thought. #sjubb
@NYPost_Brazille 4m4 minutes ago
At end of day, gut tells me Matt Abdelmassih stays, but this won't be an easy choice for him. #sjubb
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Zach BrazillerVerified account @NYPost_Brazille 5m5 minutes ago
Hearing new LSU's Will Wade will make adding St. John's assistant Matt Abdelmassih a top priority, and he will seriously consider it. #sjubb
Zach, as usual, showing up late to the party
Nah, very tight with Matt, think about that.
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Zach BrazillerVerified account @NYPost_Brazille 5m5 minutes ago
Hearing new LSU's Will Wade will make adding St. John's assistant Matt Abdelmassih a top priority, and he will seriously consider it. #sjubb
Zach, as usual, showing up late to the party
Nah, very tight with Matt, think about that.
So Zach has known about this smoke for a while but has only waited until Wade officially got a new job to post something about it because he's close with Matt? Just wondering if that's what you're driving at
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This is amateur hour, I would call his bluff if leveraging. Zach trying to get a percentage of Matt's raise with these absurdly obvious tweets lmao, he's just finding this out cmon.
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When was the last time that SJU didn't have an off season where they are looking to replace a coach or possibly of a coach leaving?
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This is amateur hour, I would call his bluff if leveraging. Zach trying to get a percentage of Matt's raise with these absurdly obvious tweets lmao, he's just finding this out cmon.
Zach trying to get a percentage?
More like I say jump and he says how high
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In a few years if we have this rolling and are making tournament appearances and kids want to come here then at some point we can afford to lose Matt if he chooses to leave but if he left right now would have to hurt our chances with most if not all of our recruits for next couple years. Maybe I'm off base with this but seems like the case.
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When was the last time that SJU didn't have an off season where they are looking to replace a coach or possibly of a coach leaving?
It's a culture of incompetence. We are St.John's.
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I generally hate when people say things like "I'm done with them." That said, if they lose Matt like this I might be done for awhile. There's only so much we can take, and Matt represents hope for a bright future.
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Brandon Tierney @BrandonTierney
Re: @mabde33 and #LSU...Dude has SJU pumping thru his veins. School needs to step up, act like a player and do what it takes to retain him.
Bet they pay him.
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Brandon Tierney @BrandonTierney
Re: @mabde33 and #LSU...Dude has SJU pumping thru his veins. School needs to step up, act like a player and do what it takes to retain him.
Bet they pay him.
I say he leaves. Mass Hysteria follows:
" Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!"
" Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes..."
" The dead rising from the grave!"
"Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!"
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Time to clean up the mess that is Slice's contract and put our resources into staff that is actually working for St. John's. Matt is a St. John's guy who wants to be at St. John's (and a diehard Mets' fan who'd much rather follow them from Queens than from Baton Rouge), but it's got to be galling to be running around the country as a one man recruiting squad for minor assistant's money while Slice pulls in the big bucks for sitting on his ass at home. Time to clean up that mess.
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Brandon Tierney @BrandonTierney
Re: @mabde33 and #LSU...Dude has SJU pumping thru his veins. School needs to step up, act like a player and do what it takes to retain him.
Bet they pay him.
Finished in 8th place and have no recruits coming in and this guy goes and uses this as leverage?
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Brandon Tierney @BrandonTierney
Re: @mabde33 and #LSU...Dude has SJU pumping thru his veins. School needs to step up, act like a player and do what it takes to retain him.
Bet they pay him.
Finished in 8th place and have no recruits coming in and this guy goes and uses this as leverage?
See I thought people getting carried away for no reason, but seeing how you think it would be no great loss, I am immediately changing my opinion!
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My favorite is now every idiot on Twitter is tweeting Matt like he is a 5 star recruit. Or worse yet like it matters
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Time to clean up the mess that is Slice's contract and put our resources into staff that is actually working for St. John's. Matt is a St. John's guy who wants to be at St. John's (and a diehard Mets' fan who'd much rather follow them from Queens than from Baton Rouge), but it's got to be galling to be running around the country as a one man recruiting squad for minor assistant's money while Slice pulls in the big bucks for sitting on his ass at home. Time to clean up that mess.
"Minor assistants money"?? Guy is making 250k here per year. That is not minor money for an assistant.
Listen, I will never fault someone for wanting to better their financial situation for themselves and their family, but I also can't blame SJU for being hesitant to give him a raise. He has no doubt done a pretty nice job but team hasn't won anything yet. Add to that the fact that Mullin took Matt's voice over Slice during that whole ordeal.
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If I were St Jean I would ask for more money too. He's the most active on the bench
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Tell Lovett if he stays, he can have Matt's job the following year. Just killed two birds with one stone. Problem solved! That is what I do!
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If I were St Jean I would ask for more money too. He's the most active on the bench
that cracked me up
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If I were St Jean I would ask for more money too. He's the most active on the bench
that cracked me up
Speaking of active I have two Kansas guys in my Top Gun pool so have watched all their games. Someone needs to wake up Norm.
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My favorite is now every idiot on Twitter is tweeting Matt like he is a 5 star recruit. Or worse yet like it matters
SMH
If he wasn't a grad fans wouldn't genuflect like they do with him.
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Time to clean up the mess that is Slice's contract and put our resources into staff that is actually working for St. John's. Matt is a St. John's guy who wants to be at St. John's (and a diehard Mets' fan who'd much rather follow them from Queens than from Baton Rouge), but it's got to be galling to be running around the country as a one man recruiting squad for minor assistant's money while Slice pulls in the big bucks for sitting on his ass at home. Time to clean up that mess.
"Minor assistants money"?? Guy is making 250k here per year. That is not minor money for an assistant.
Listen, I will never fault someone for wanting to better their financial situation for themselves and their family, but I also can't blame SJU for being hesitant to give him a raise. He has no doubt done a pretty nice job but team hasn't won anything yet. Add to that the fact that Mullin took Matt's voice over Slice during that whole ordeal.
250 is low number. It's more
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This is amateur hour, I would call his bluff if leveraging. Zach trying to get a percentage of Matt's raise with these absurdly obvious tweets lmao, he's just finding this out cmon.
Zach trying to get a percentage?
More like I say jump and he says how high
exactly. This is Zach following orders as to how to tell the story Matt wants told.
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I don't get the logic of some of you guys.
If Matt gets an offer from LSU see how much it is and decide if you want to match. Happens in any profession.
I personally don't think it would be much more than his current salary (but cost of living much lower) and I'd much rather keep him here.
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Anyone see some of his recent Twitter follows :)
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Anyone see some of his recent Twitter follows :)
I think he started following Brandon Sampson and the LSU AD Joe Alleva uh oh...
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Anyone see some of his recent Twitter follows :)
LSU beat writers?
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Anyone see some of his recent Twitter follows :)
I think he started following Brandon Sampson and the LSU AD Joe Allegany, uh oh...
How does Brandon feel that he once followed, then unfollowed, now followed again.
Is this 3rd grade?
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Anyone see some of his recent Twitter follows :)
I think he started following Brandon Sampson and the LSU AD Joe Allegany, uh oh...
How does Brandon feel that he once followed, then unfollowed, now followed again.
Is this 3rd grade?
Answer - YES. In no other profession can you make the dollars college assistant coaches do while at the same time acting like a kid. Well, except perhaps the presidency.
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Should Matt leave, his replacement could be Mike Rice or GW asst Hajj Turner. Tarik's brother
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Imagine Rice yelling at our lack of effort players
https://youtu.be/Mtf6eWtGWh0
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Why are people throwing out Mike Rice's name? He is not what the program needs. I can only imagine what opposing coaches would say to recruits we are competing for. Just bad optics.
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That's fair. Everyone is free to do what they think is best for their family, and usually $ plays a substantial factor in that decision. But if you are as vocal as Matt has been about St. John's, and leave after two years to go to a place like LSU, you best be prepared for a disgruntled fan base. Even if the money is life-changing, which it won't.
I'd much prefer continuity with the staff, so I hope he stays. I think he's done a good job bringing in the kids we have under the circumstances, with 2018 being an absolutely vital class. And if an assistant is going to be re-shuffled or jettisoned, I would think Richmond is the better candidate, although I have no knowledge of the staff's inner-workings.
I also know that two good posters on this site and others have made it no secret that they dislike Matt and believe it isn't a loss if he leaves.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
I don't get the logic of some of you guys.
If Matt gets an offer from LSU see how much it is and decide if you want to match. Happens in any profession.
I personally don't think it would be much more than his current salary (but cost of living much lower) and I'd much rather keep him here.
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I don't get the logic of some of you guys.
If Matt gets an offer from LSU see how much it is and decide if you want to match. Happens in any profession.
I personally don't think it would be much more than his current salary (but cost of living much lower) and I'd much rather keep him here.
Exactly. I would be more worried if no one wants people from our staff. It's the nature of the game. Pay the man what he is worth and there will be no issues. I think this is a non story.
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Should Matt leave, his replacement could be Mike Rice or GW asst Hajj Turner. Tarik's brother
Shouldn't Mike Rice be in the mix regardless if Matt leaves or stays, assuming he doesn't get a head coaching job somewhere?
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Should Matt leave, his replacement could be Mike Rice or GW asst Hajj Turner. Tarik's brother
Shouldn't Mike Rice be in the mix regardless if Matt leaves or stays, assuming he doesn't get a head coaching job somewhere?
Rice might be a little too rough around the edges for this fan base. And some of the primadonnas on the court
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Should Matt leave, his replacement could be Mike Rice or GW asst Hajj Turner. Tarik's brother
Shouldn't Mike Rice be in the mix regardless if Matt leaves or stays, assuming he doesn't get a head coaching job somewhere?
Rice might be a little too rough around the edges for this fan base. And some of the primadonnas on the court
That's exactly what this program needs imo
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Should Matt leave, his replacement could be Mike Rice or GW asst Hajj Turner. Tarik's brother
Shouldn't Mike Rice be in the mix regardless if Matt leaves or stays, assuming he doesn't get a head coaching job somewhere?
Rice might be a little too rough around the edges for this fan base. And some of the primadonnas on the court
That's exactly what this program needs imo
Yes sir. Some fire in the huddle and at practice
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Why the love for Mike Rice? The guy made the Rutgers basketball program look bad and thats hard to do.
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Why the love for Mike Rice? The guy made the Rutgers basketball program look bad and thats hard to do.
He's a good coach that knows the game and can help with recruiting. Seems like his HS players love him and that he's turned a corner. Plus, as an Assistant a blind eye won't be turned to any possible transgressions of his
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I agree that administration should match. Matt is really lucking out here, his work over the past 24 months doesn't validate a raise. Unfortunately the program right now is vulnerable and this is what is necessary to maintain his connections, stability should then inch closer in the years following.
Matt taking advantage of this is paramount bc he's not getting another matching offer for years to come. He should include some good incentives within this negotiation and he better deliver for the sake of the entire staff bc I'm sure donors and administration have been worn thin between this BS and the Slice buyout amidst all of this losing. Whoever is ponying up sure has been through a lot since Lavs walked off campus two short years ago.
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Why the love for Mike Rice? The guy made the Rutgers basketball program look bad and thats hard to do.
He's a good coach that knows the game and can help with recruiting. Seems like his HS players love him and that he's turned a corner. Plus, as an Assistant a blind eye won't be turned to any possible transgressions of his
If Zach Brown was a risk that everyone claims we needed to not make, then Mike Rice is just as bad.
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Why the love for Mike Rice? The guy made the Rutgers basketball program look bad and thats hard to do.
He's a good coach that knows the game and can help with recruiting. Seems like his HS players love him and that he's turned a corner. Plus, as an Assistant a blind eye won't be turned to any possible transgressions of his
If Zach Brown was a risk that everyone claims we needed to not make, then Mike Rice is just as bad.
It doesn't have to be Mike rice. But someone has to coach the team. I think Some of you missed the 15 beat downs we took this year. We gave up 100 twice and it could have happened 5/6 more times if the other team tried to get there.
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Anyone see some of his recent Twitter follows :)
He just followed the LSU Basketball official account, for those that think that sort of stuff is important
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Will Wade has now accepted three head coaching jobs in 4 years and Matt A didn't go with him the first two...why now? LSU is a tough gig. It's a distant third sport (basketball drew less than 9,000 fans per game in 15-16 while LSU baseball tallied nearly 500,000 fans for the season) in a self-proclaimed "drinking town with a football problem." Matt A's recruiting base is the northeast...LSU needs someone with deep connections to Baton Rouge, NOLA, Texas, and Florida. It's one thing to get northeast kids out to a basketball school like Iowa St. but a very different thing to get them down to a football school in a swamp in the deep south.
This sounds an awful lot like Matt feeding info for his own benefit.
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Later Matty
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Will Wade has now accepted three head coaching jobs in 4 years and Matt A didn't go with him the first two...why now? LSU is a tough gig. It's a distant third sport (basketball drew less than 9,000 fans per game in 15-16 while LSU baseball tallied nearly 500,000 fans for the season) in a self-proclaimed "drinking town with a football problem." Matt A's recruiting base is the northeast...LSU needs someone with deep connections to Baton Rouge, NOLA, Texas, and Florida. It's one thing to get northeast kids out to a basketball school like Iowa St. but a very different thing to get them down to a football school in a swamp in the deep south.
This sounds an awful lot like Matt feeding info for his own benefit.
Are you asking why Matt would consider joining Wade at LSU but not Chatanooga or VCU? $$$$
At Iowa State Matt has proven he could recruit to anywhere, and he's also one of the best in the business at playing the transfer game, which won't be hard to do at LSU.
If LSU is serious about turning their basketball program into a contender, they can offer Matt more $$ than our administration would match. With that type of financial resources and facilities, it would be far from difficult to succeed there.
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
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Brandon Tierney @BrandonTierney
Re: @mabde33 and #LSU...Dude has SJU pumping thru his veins. School needs to step up, act like a player and do what it takes to retain him.
Bet they pay him.
You know they always bungle these situations. Hope they didn't tell Matt to bring his offer to them before he chooses. That never works. An intelligent organization jumps in and closes the deal. RIGHT NOW ! If it happens it is the death of this program.
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Will Wade has now accepted three head coaching jobs in 4 years and Matt A didn't go with him the first two...why now? LSU is a tough gig. It's a distant third sport (basketball drew less than 9,000 fans per game in 15-16 while LSU baseball tallied nearly 500,000 fans for the season) in a self-proclaimed "drinking town with a football problem." Matt A's recruiting base is the northeast...LSU needs someone with deep connections to Baton Rouge, NOLA, Texas, and Florida. It's one thing to get northeast kids out to a basketball school like Iowa St. but a very different thing to get them down to a football school in a swamp in the deep south.
This sounds an awful lot like Matt feeding info for his own benefit.
Are you asking why Matt would consider joining Wade at LSU but not Chatanooga or VCU? $$$$
At Iowa State Matt has proven he could recruit to anywhere, and he's also one of the best in the business at playing the transfer game, which won't be hard to do at LSU.
If LSU is serious about turning their basketball program into a contender, they can offer Matt more $$ than our administration would match. With that type of financial resources and facilities, it would be far from difficult to succeed there.
Agree. If Matt A has the chops to recruit, as many think he's capable of doing, then he should be able to succeed at most schools. Maybe, Wade brings in someone who has ties to the deep south or Gulf states to help or guide his staff in that particular region.
LSU has made recently made poor hires (I knew Johnny Jones was one), and Wade could also fall on his face in Baton Rouge as the past two or three coaches. But, he could also end up being the injection the basketball program needs. Maybe, he feels Matt is one of the cogs to help him do so.
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I don't get the logic of some of you guys.
If Matt gets an offer from LSU see how much it is and decide if you want to match. Happens in any profession.
I personally don't think it would be much more than his current salary (but cost of living much lower) and I'd much rather keep him here.
That's being reactive, something this joint is good at. We need to be proactive. Close the freaking deal now.
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
You talk as if he already is gone...
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
I predict Terence Mullin ,Tim Hardaway or Tim Cluess will be Matt's replacement.
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Why the love for Mike Rice? The guy made the Rutgers basketball program look bad and thats hard to do.
I love Mike Rice. I've spent a lot of time with him over the years. Lot of stuff behind the Rutgers thing and whole he was in the wrong the highlight tape of it was packaged to do max damage. He's repented and is one hell of a coach. Players LOVE him.
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
Mullin sided with Mullin.
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
I predict Terence Mullin ,Tim Hardaway or Tim Cluess will be Matt's replacement.
Billy Owens unavailable?
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Brandon Tierney @BrandonTierney
Re: @mabde33 and #LSU...Dude has SJU pumping thru his veins. School needs to step up, act like a player and do what it takes to retain him.
Bet they pay him.
You know they always bungle these situations. Hope they didn't tell Matt to bring his offer to them before he chooses. That never works. An intelligent organization jumps in and closes the deal. RIGHT NOW ! If it happens it is the death of this program.
University has known about this for a month.
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
Mullin sided with Mullin.
No doubt, but now here we are without 2 of the 3 assistants he initially hired to right this ship. He needs to get a third party neutral perspective because this is obviously a turning point in his coaching career. I would think Mike Rice is an ideal hire here, but more than just that probably needs to be done. We will see.
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Will Wade has now accepted three head coaching jobs in 4 years and Matt A didn't go with him the first two...why now? LSU is a tough gig. It's a distant third sport (basketball drew less than 9,000 fans per game in 15-16 while LSU baseball tallied nearly 500,000 fans for the season) in a self-proclaimed "drinking town with a football problem." Matt A's recruiting base is the northeast...LSU needs someone with deep connections to Baton Rouge, NOLA, Texas, and Florida. It's one thing to get northeast kids out to a basketball school like Iowa St. but a very different thing to get them down to a football school in a swamp in the deep south.
This sounds an awful lot like Matt feeding info for his own benefit.
Two fast risers in industry. I think you are underestimating recruiting base. Has strong ties in Midwest and south from Iowa St.
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
I predict Terence Mullin ,Tim Hardaway or Tim Cluess will be Matt's replacement.
Billy Owens unavailable?
People on here would pass out if he hired a Cuse guy. My $ on Cluess. Asst at ST John's has to pay more than Iona head coach no? ;)
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
Mullin sided with Mullin.
No doubt, but now here we are without 2 of the 3 assistants he initially hired to right this ship. He needs to get a third party neutral perspective because this is obviously a turning point in his coaching career. I would think Mike Rice is an ideal hire here, but more than just that probably needs to be done. We will see.
Well he's without 1 maybe without another.
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
I predict Terence Mullin ,Tim Hardaway or Tim Cluess will be Matt's replacement.
Billy Owens unavailable?
People on here would pass out if he hired a Cuse guy. My $ on Cluess. Asst at ST John's has to pay more than Iona head coach no? ;)
No shot.
Ego wouldn't dictate going from head to assistant. He'll go to A-10 job first
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
Mullin sided with Mullin.
No doubt, but now here we are without 2 of the 3 assistants he initially hired to right this ship. He needs to get a third party neutral perspective because this is obviously a turning point in his coaching career. I would think Mike Rice is an ideal hire here, but more than just that probably needs to be done. We will see.
When did Mike Rice become Red Auerbach? Besides being a certifiable nut job, he was wildly unsuccessful at Rutgers!
Would rather hire Fred Hill away from Seton Hall
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
I predict Terence Mullin ,Tim Hardaway or Tim Cluess will be Matt's replacement.
Billy Owens unavailable?
People on here would pass out if he hired a Cuse guy. My $ on Cluess. Asst at ST John's has to pay more than Iona head coach no? ;)
No shot.
Ego wouldn't dictate going from head to assistant. He'll go to A-10 job first
Joking / taking shot at Bluto.
Al loBalbo still alive?
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
Mullin sided with Mullin.
No doubt, but now here we are without 2 of the 3 assistants he initially hired to right this ship. He needs to get a third party neutral perspective because this is obviously a turning point in his coaching career. I would think Mike Rice is an ideal hire here, but more than just that probably needs to be done. We will see.
When did Mike Rice become Red Auerbach? Besides being a certifiable nut job, he was wildly unsuccessful at Rutgers!
Would rather hire Fred Hill away from Seton Hall
Rutgers was terrible when Rice arrived. Fred Hill was 13-57 in conference. Rice wasn't much better 16-38 but they were making progress. Robert Morris teams were tough.
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Hill's a bad dude anyway. Want no freaking part of him.
Perhaps this is all much about nothing. But if Matty-boy didn't like the negative talk on social media, etc, wait to what happens if he leaves his beloved alma matter two years into a rebuild for a freaking job at LSU. I'd duck before walking back into Shea.
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
Mullin sided with Mullin.
No doubt, but now here we are without 2 of the 3 assistants he initially hired to right this ship. He needs to get a third party neutral perspective because this is obviously a turning point in his coaching career. I would think Mike Rice is an ideal hire here, but more than just that probably needs to be done. We will see.
When did Mike Rice become Red Auerbach? Besides being a certifiable nut job, he was wildly unsuccessful at Rutgers!
Would rather hire Fred Hill away from Seton Hall
Rutgers was terrible when Rice arrived. Fred Hill was 13-57 in conference. Rice wasn't much better 16-38 but they were making progress. Robert Morris teams were tough.
Wasn't Hill supposedly a tremendous recruiter which is why he got the job.
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Hill's a bad dude anyway. Want no freaking part of him.
Perhaps this is all much about nothing. But if Matty-boy didn't like the negative talk on social media, etc, wait to what happens if he leaves his beloved alma matter two years into a rebuild for a freaking job at LSU. I'd duck before walking back into Shea.
Shea now a parking lot so won't have to duck that much :)
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
Mullin sided with Mullin.
No doubt, but now here we are without 2 of the 3 assistants he initially hired to right this ship. He needs to get a third party neutral perspective because this is obviously a turning point in his coaching career. I would think Mike Rice is an ideal hire here, but more than just that probably needs to be done. We will see.
When did Mike Rice become Red Auerbach? Besides being a certifiable nut job, he was wildly unsuccessful at Rutgers!
Would rather hire Fred Hill away from Seton Hall
Rutgers was terrible when Rice arrived. Fred Hill was 13-57 in conference. Rice wasn't much better 16-38 but they were making progress. Robert Morris teams were tough.
Wasn't Hill supposedly a tremendous recruiter which is why he got the job.
Rice also brought good talent to Rutgers.
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
Mullin sided with Mullin.
No doubt, but now here we are without 2 of the 3 assistants he initially hired to right this ship. He needs to get a third party neutral perspective because this is obviously a turning point in his coaching career. I would think Mike Rice is an ideal hire here, but more than just that probably needs to be done. We will see.
When did Mike Rice become Red Auerbach? Besides being a certifiable nut job, he was wildly unsuccessful at Rutgers!
Would rather hire Fred Hill away from Seton Hall
Rutgers was terrible when Rice arrived. Fred Hill was 13-57 in conference. Rice wasn't much better 16-38 but they were making progress. Robert Morris teams were tough.
Wasn't Hill supposedly a tremendous recruiter which is why he got the job.
Rice also brought good talent to Rutgers.
He also threw basketballs at them
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
Mullin sided with Mullin.
No doubt, but now here we are without 2 of the 3 assistants he initially hired to right this ship. He needs to get a third party neutral perspective because this is obviously a turning point in his coaching career. I would think Mike Rice is an ideal hire here, but more than just that probably needs to be done. We will see.
When did Mike Rice become Red Auerbach? Besides being a certifiable nut job, he was wildly unsuccessful at Rutgers!
Would rather hire Fred Hill away from Seton Hall
Rutgers was terrible when Rice arrived. Fred Hill was 13-57 in conference. Rice wasn't much better 16-38 but they were making progress. Robert Morris teams were tough.
Wasn't Hill supposedly a tremendous recruiter which is why he got the job.
Rice also brought good talent to Rutgers.
He also threw basketballs at them
Ha! Well, our team probably needed balls tossed at 'em for their defensive effort.
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
Mullin sided with Mullin.
No doubt, but now here we are without 2 of the 3 assistants he initially hired to right this ship. He needs to get a third party neutral perspective because this is obviously a turning point in his coaching career. I would think Mike Rice is an ideal hire here, but more than just that probably needs to be done. We will see.
When did Mike Rice become Red Auerbach? Besides being a certifiable nut job, he was wildly unsuccessful at Rutgers!
Would rather hire Fred Hill away from Seton Hall
Rutgers was terrible when Rice arrived. Fred Hill was 13-57 in conference. Rice wasn't much better 16-38 but they were making progress. Robert Morris teams were tough.
Wasn't Hill supposedly a tremendous recruiter which is why he got the job.
Rice also brought good talent to Rutgers.
He also threw basketballs at them
Ha! Well, our team probably needed balls tossed at 'em for their defensive effort.
If Rice did come how long before he strangles ST Jean and takes the dry board away from him?
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Idk where he stands amidst all of this but Bronxite Rasheen Davis was Wade's lead recruiter, I'd swap him for Matt no problem. Key recruiter for Manhattan's back to back MAAC titles, maybe even stronger city ties than Matt has.
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
Mullin sided with Mullin.
No doubt, but now here we are without 2 of the 3 assistants he initially hired to right this ship. He needs to get a third party neutral perspective because this is obviously a turning point in his coaching career. I would think Mike Rice is an ideal hire here, but more than just that probably needs to be done. We will see.
When did Mike Rice become Red Auerbach? Besides being a certifiable nut job, he was wildly unsuccessful at Rutgers!
Would rather hire Fred Hill away from Seton Hall
Rutgers was terrible when Rice arrived. Fred Hill was 13-57 in conference. Rice wasn't much better 16-38 but they were making progress. Robert Morris teams were tough.
Wasn't Hill supposedly a tremendous recruiter which is why he got the job.
Rice also brought good talent to Rutgers.
He also threw basketballs at them
Ha! Well, our team probably needed balls tossed at 'em for their defensive effort.
If Rice did come how long before he strangles ST Jean and takes the dry board away from him?
Just talked myself into Mike Rice hire. During TO Rice and ST Jean fight to the death over dry board as Mullin watches from scorers table and Richmond takes a nap.
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our team probably needed balls tossed at 'em for their defensive effort.
You could have stopped after balls.
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Brandon Tierney @BrandonTierney
Re: @mabde33 and #LSU...Dude has SJU pumping thru his veins. School needs to step up, act like a player and do what it takes to retain him.
Bet they pay him.
You know they always bungle these situations. Hope they didn't tell Matt to bring his offer to them before he chooses. That never works. An intelligent organization jumps in and closes the deal. RIGHT NOW ! If it happens it is the death of this program.
University has known about this for a month.
That makes it even worse.
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Will Wade has now accepted three head coaching jobs in 4 years and Matt A didn't go with him the first two...why now? LSU is a tough gig. It's a distant third sport (basketball drew less than 9,000 fans per game in 15-16 while LSU baseball tallied nearly 500,000 fans for the season) in a self-proclaimed "drinking town with a football problem." Matt A's recruiting base is the northeast...LSU needs someone with deep connections to Baton Rouge, NOLA, Texas, and Florida. It's one thing to get northeast kids out to a basketball school like Iowa St. but a very different thing to get them down to a football school in a swamp in the deep south.
This sounds an awful lot like Matt feeding info for his own benefit.
Are you asking why Matt would consider joining Wade at LSU but not Chatanooga or VCU? $$$$
At Iowa State Matt has proven he could recruit to anywhere, and he's also one of the best in the business at playing the transfer game, which won't be hard to do at LSU.
If LSU is serious about turning their basketball program into a contender, they can offer Matt more $$ than our administration would match. With that type of financial resources and facilities, it would be far from difficult to succeed there.
VCU was a better job than LSU and SJU two years ago with the talented roster Shaka left behind. It was an obvious trampoline gig to get to a great job. If Wade likes Matt so much, he could have offered him a higher assistant position than he has here. Matt leaks things to the press when it benefits him to do so. Why would this be any different?
I'd like Matt to remain here because I like his creative approach to recruiting...it is exactly what we need to get this program back on its feet.
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Will Wade has now accepted three head coaching jobs in 4 years and Matt A didn't go with him the first two...why now? LSU is a tough gig. It's a distant third sport (basketball drew less than 9,000 fans per game in 15-16 while LSU baseball tallied nearly 500,000 fans for the season) in a self-proclaimed "drinking town with a football problem." Matt A's recruiting base is the northeast...LSU needs someone with deep connections to Baton Rouge, NOLA, Texas, and Florida. It's one thing to get northeast kids out to a basketball school like Iowa St. but a very different thing to get them down to a football school in a swamp in the deep south.
This sounds an awful lot like Matt feeding info for his own benefit.
Are you asking why Matt would consider joining Wade at LSU but not Chatanooga or VCU? $$$$
At Iowa State Matt has proven he could recruit to anywhere, and he's also one of the best in the business at playing the transfer game, which won't be hard to do at LSU.
If LSU is serious about turning their basketball program into a contender, they can offer Matt more $$ than our administration would match. With that type of financial resources and facilities, it would be far from difficult to succeed there.
VCU was a better job than LSU and SJU two years ago with the talented roster Shaka left behind. It was an obvious trampoline gig to get to a great job. If Wade likes Matt so much, he could have offered him a higher assistant position than he has here. Matt leaks things to the press when it benefits him to do so. Why would this be any different?
I'd like Matt to remain here because I like his creative approach to recruiting...it is exactly what we need to get this program back on its feet.
I agree with everything you said besides VCU being better job than LSU.
I have a million reasons why it isn't.
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Personally, I think he's gone, so get Rice on the horn. If Rice or anyone else takes the job, we're also gonna need another recruiter. We're gonna need two bonafied recruiters. We also need to cast a wider net.
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I have a million reasons why it isn't.
Half a million maybe, Smart made 1.5.
VCU is one of those jobs that people succeed at and then fail when they leave. Siena is the same way. Mack McCarthy was .53 percent at VCU and 34–57 afterwards. Capel won 80 games in 4 years at VCU and is 14 and 36 his last two. Anthony Grant was .70 percent at VCU and is 31-33 his last two at Alabama. Smart was .70 percent at VCU and is 31–35 at Texas. It's not easy to go from the minors to the majors.
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For all those skeptical about Mike Rice and his past: the dude has done all the right things since the incidents. He has taken full accountability and apologized. He has undergone counseling, attended John Lucas's program. He has met with LGBT groups and apologized to them. He humbled himself by starting back at the bottom rung of basketball by holding Hoop Group workouts for teens and adolescents, then by working as an assistant for a HS team. To me, hes done all the right things and deserves another chance.
He is highly regarded as a coach in the industry, hes well liked by his current HS players and he also coaches 3 of the 2018 targets we are going after. He is a strong teacher on the defensive end of the floor and a strong player developer. He is absolutely the perfect fit for what this program needs. Hire Mike Rice!!
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For all those skeptical about Mike Rice and his past: the dude has done all the right things since the incidents. He has taken full accountability and apologized. He has undergone counseling, attended John Lucas's program. He has met with LGBT groups and apologized to them. He humbled himself by starting back at the bottom rung of basketball by holding Hoop Group workouts for teens and adolescents, then by working as an assistant for a HS team. To me, hes done all the right things and deserves another chance.
He is highly regarded as a coach in the industry, hes well liked by his current HS players and he also coaches 3 of the 2018 targets we are going after. He is a strong teacher on the defensive end of the floor and a strong player developer. He is absolutely the perfect fit for what this program needs. Hire Mike Rice!!
He should be hired no matter what happens with this other guy
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For all those skeptical about Mike Rice and his past: the dude has done all the right things since the incidents. He has taken full accountability and apologized. He has undergone counseling, attended John Lucas's program. He has met with LGBT groups and apologized to them. He humbled himself by starting back at the bottom rung of basketball by holding Hoop Group workouts for teens and adolescents, then by working as an assistant for a HS team. To me, hes done all the right things and deserves another chance.
He is highly regarded as a coach in the industry, hes well liked by his current HS players and he also coaches 3 of the 2018 targets we are going after. He is a strong teacher on the defensive end of the floor and a strong player developer. He is absolutely the perfect fit for what this program needs. Hire Mike Rice!!
Ellison and Ahmed might test his rehabilitation.
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Simple: Fire Richmond; Pay Matt.
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Simple: Fire Richmond; Pay Matt.
I doubt Mullin fires his buddy. Even if he did, then he better find a way to bring another African-American on his staff. Frankly, Rice is what this staff probably needs, as he'll aide with the nuances of the game and can even recruit.
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Simple: Fire Richmond; Pay Matt.
This is why he is not well liked by his peers
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It's been rumored Matt makes anywhere between 250-350K. Let's not act like he isn't well compensated here.
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For all those skeptical about Mike Rice and his past: the dude has done all the right things since the incidents. He has taken full accountability and apologized. He has undergone counseling, attended John Lucas's program. He has met with LGBT groups and apologized to them. He humbled himself by starting back at the bottom rung of basketball by holding Hoop Group workouts for teens and adolescents, then by working as an assistant for a HS team. To me, hes done all the right things and deserves another chance.
He is highly regarded as a coach in the industry, hes well liked by his current HS players and he also coaches 3 of the 2018 targets we are going after. He is a strong teacher on the defensive end of the floor and a strong player developer. He is absolutely the perfect fit for what this program needs. Hire Mike Rice!!
Agree
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1) Matt makes good money, and is a solid recruiter. He's using an angle to make more. Nothing wrong with it, but maybe a bit distasteful after 2 losing seasons. I think he'd be better for it after showing he can get some of the 18' class landed. At this point it's hard to justify any significant raise. He's done a solid job thus far but it's real early.
2) Mike Rice would be great in an assistant role on ur bench regardless of what happens with Matt. I've heard great things about Rice. I know he had a meltdown, but I don't see that happening again. He repented, players love him, he's a tireless worker and can both recruit and coach. He'd make a perfect assistant honestly.
3) losing Matt at this point would be very problematic because of the way we are set up. Matt is our main and ONlY recruiter. We lose our only recruiter, and we have nothing entering the 18' class. In my opinion, every team needs two solid recruiters. It prevents this type of problem. We have too many guys here that are non-recruiters. Usually teams are set up with a HC, an assistant HC that assists in coaching and also is a significant part of recruiting, and another assistant that mainly recruits. Right now we are between a rock and a hard place. Regardless on whether we throw money at Matt now, we need to trade Richmond for a guy that can both coach and recruit.
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What a mess. Mullin sides with Matt over Slice, and a year later both are gone. Now he is left with a buddy who is also a novice at this game and a mid-20s assistant. Needs to get some advice from an outsider as to how to restart this process.
Mullin sided with Mullin.
No doubt, but now here we are without 2 of the 3 assistants he initially hired to right this ship. He needs to get a third party neutral perspective because this is obviously a turning point in his coaching career. I would think Mike Rice is an ideal hire here, but more than just that probably needs to be done. We will see.
When did Mike Rice become Red Auerbach? Besides being a certifiable nut job, he was wildly unsuccessful at Rutgers!
Would rather hire Fred Hill away from Seton Hall
Rutgers was terrible when Rice arrived. Fred Hill was 13-57 in conference. Rice wasn't much better 16-38 but they were making progress. Robert Morris teams were tough.
Wasn't Hill supposedly a tremendous recruiter which is why he got the job.
Rice also brought good talent to Rutgers.
He also threw basketballs at them
see it all depends on how you look at that video. To me it's inconclusive if he has 2018 recruits in his pocket. You see him throwing basketballs at players and I see Hand-Eye Coordination drills
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If you can dodge a wrench.....
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Keep Matt
Hire Mike Rice
Make Mitch a Special Assistant
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Keep Matt
Hire Mike Rice
Make Mitch a Special Assistant
I'd have no issues with that whatsoever. Frankly, that should be the route they go.
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This is what I would do. A special assistant can work with players in practice and that is the appeal of Mitch to prospective recruits.
I'm a die hard as you all know but hardly an insider. From the outside, Matt seems like a great up and coming recruiter. But my knowledge is based on what folks in the media (perhaps who he is friends with) and respected posters like Dave or Paultz say. Has nothing to do with him being an alum or anything of that kind. Other good posters are obviously on the other side of this and think we can replace easily.
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Keep Matt
Hire Mike Rice
Make Mitch a Special Assistant
I'm fine with that. Would be a great setup to me.
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Keep Matt
Hire Mike Rice
Make Mitch a Special Assistant
That's exactly how they should be thinking.
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Keep Matt
Hire Mike Rice
Make Mitch a Special Assistant
That's exactly how they should be thinking.
Unfortunately they never actually think like they should
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Simple: Fire Richmond; Pay Matt.
No. Not the answer at all.
No one wants that.
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Keep Matt
Hire Mike Rice
Make Mitch a Special Assistant
This would be ideal in my opinion. Not sure it will shake out like that though.
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Matt isn't worth 450k. Simple as that. He's good but that is upper echelon assistant money. Joe3 could get guys to campus to visit Mullin and Richmond.
Hire Michael Porter Sr. and get the #1 player in 2017, the #26 player in 2018, and maybe some coaching ability.
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Or hire Rowan Barrett and get his son and his son's friends and
open a pipeline to the talent north if the border.
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Matt isn't worth 450k. Simple as that. He's good but that is upper echelon assistant money. Joe3 could get guys to campus to visit Mullin and Richmond.
Hire Michael Porter Sr. and get the #1 player in 2017, the #26 player in 2018, and maybe some coaching ability.
Whether Matt is a top echelon assistant is up for debate, but losing him means losing almost all of the progress made on 2018 guys which is setting up to be a make or break year for us recruiting-wise.
I think you overestimate how much recruits actually care about Mullin and Richmond. Just because they are hall of fame players doesn't mean they know how to develop 18-22 year old players into NBA players. Recruits won't care until Mullin and Richmond can show they have turned 4 star recruits into NBA players. Top tier recruits don't care that John Calipari only played at Clarion, they care that he knows how to help them get ready for the NBA.
Porter Sr is already on a staff, oh well
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Matt isn't worth 450k. Simple as that. He's good but that is upper echelon assistant money. Joe3 could get guys to campus to visit Mullin and Richmond.
Hire Michael Porter Sr. and get the #1 player in 2017, the #26 player in 2018, and maybe some coaching ability.
Mike Glennon isn't worth 15 million but market dictated that but I get your point.
Iowa St. still crushing it with players Matt recruited. Bottom line is St. Johns is better with him.
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A lot more involved with Porter than simply giving his dad a job. Agent$ and brand$ heavily involved there. Kid is special player.
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For all those skeptical about Mike Rice and his past: the dude has done all the right things since the incidents. He has taken full accountability and apologized. He has undergone counseling, attended John Lucas's program. He has met with LGBT groups and apologized to them. He humbled himself by starting back at the bottom rung of basketball by holding Hoop Group workouts for teens and adolescents, then by working as an assistant for a HS team. To me, hes done all the right things and deserves another chance.
He is highly regarded as a coach in the industry, hes well liked by his current HS players and he also coaches 3 of the 2018 targets we are going after. He is a strong teacher on the defensive end of the floor and a strong player developer. He is absolutely the perfect fit for what this program needs. Hire Mike Rice!!
He should be hired no matter what happens with this other guy
"this other guy" ?
Did Matt A steal your puppy Baldi? You disrespect the guy every opportunity you get.
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For all those skeptical about Mike Rice and his past: the dude has done all the right things since the incidents. He has taken full accountability and apologized. He has undergone counseling, attended John Lucas's program. He has met with LGBT groups and apologized to them. He humbled himself by starting back at the bottom rung of basketball by holding Hoop Group workouts for teens and adolescents, then by working as an assistant for a HS team. To me, hes done all the right things and deserves another chance.
He is highly regarded as a coach in the industry, hes well liked by his current HS players and he also coaches 3 of the 2018 targets we are going after. He is a strong teacher on the defensive end of the floor and a strong player developer. He is absolutely the perfect fit for what this program needs. Hire Mike Rice!!
He should be hired no matter what happens with this other guy
"this other guy" ?
Did Matt A steal your puppy Baldi? You disrespect the guy every opportunity you get.
Straight out of the Bill Parcels playbook.
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For all those skeptical about Mike Rice and his past: the dude has done all the right things since the incidents. He has taken full accountability and apologized. He has undergone counseling, attended John Lucas's program. He has met with LGBT groups and apologized to them. He humbled himself by starting back at the bottom rung of basketball by holding Hoop Group workouts for teens and adolescents, then by working as an assistant for a HS team. To me, hes done all the right things and deserves another chance.
He is highly regarded as a coach in the industry, hes well liked by his current HS players and he also coaches 3 of the 2018 targets we are going after. He is a strong teacher on the defensive end of the floor and a strong player developer. He is absolutely the perfect fit for what this program needs. Hire Mike Rice!!
He should be hired no matter what happens with this other guy
"this other guy" ?
Did Matt A steal your puppy Baldi? You disrespect the guy every opportunity you get.
Here I thought I was being nice.
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Matt isn't worth 450k. Simple as that. He's good but that is upper echelon assistant money. Joe3 could get guys to campus to visit Mullin and Richmond.
Hire Michael Porter Sr. and get the #1 player in 2017, the #26 player in 2018, and maybe some coaching ability.
Porter Sr is already on a staff, oh well
Cuonzo Martin already hired him.
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Anton Goff @AD_Goff_StJohns
#SJUBB I just read all the comments. I love the passion. This is what makes this place special!!!
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
He's got some reputation
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
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I'm buying my man Baldi and Moose some beers pregame before the Garden next year for some story time...
Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
He's got some reputation
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How can you see who someone unfollows on Twitter?
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Is it childish to pay attention to that? I for one follow and unfollow accounts from time to time. Things get to cluttered following too many.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I don't think unfollow or follow is that serious. I think this is really making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
Im gonna trust that there is more than just this follow/unfollow bs.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I don't think unfollow or follow is that serious. I think this is really making a mountain out of a molehill.
With all due respect Is your opinion a little biased though?
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I don't think unfollow or follow is that serious. I think this is really making a mountain out of a molehill.
With all due respect Is your opinion a little biased though?
He is one of my best friends but I don't think who he follows/unfollows is a big deal or even a little deal for that matter. A little anal? Yes but who cares?!?
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Side note glad you're back Moose. We all missed ya.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
LOL
Yeah, that's pretty lame and juvenile.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I don't think unfollow or follow is that serious. I think this is really making a mountain out of a molehill.
With all due respect Is your opinion a little biased though?
He is one of my best friends but I don't think who he follows/unfollows is a big deal or even a little deal for that matter. A little anal? Yes but who cares?!?
We will agree to disagree. I would think if he recruits a kid he develops a bond with a kid. Whether the kid picks the school or not. To unfollow to me is petty.
As for the LSU things today it's entirely different and screams trolling to me
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I don't think unfollow or follow is that serious. I think this is really making a mountain out of a molehill.
With all due respect Is your opinion a little biased though?
He is one of my best friends but I don't think who he follows/unfollows is a big deal or even a little deal for that matter. A little anal? Yes but who cares?!?
We will agree to disagree. I would think if he recruits a kid he develops a bond with a kid. Whether the kid picks the school or not. To unfollow to me is petty.
As for the LSU things today it's entirely different and screams trolling to me
I don't think following or unfollowing someone on twitter has anything to do with their bond.
Matt Norlander from CBS has been a friend of mine for a long time. He follows me and unfollows me regularly. When I'm more recruiting heavy in my tweets he follows then he'll unfollow when I go off that path. He likes to keep his timeline uncluttered from noise that isn't important to his business.
Some dudes are just really organized and matter of fact.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I don't think unfollow or follow is that serious. I think this is really making a mountain out of a molehill.
With all due respect Is your opinion a little biased though?
He is one of my best friends but I don't think who he follows/unfollows is a big deal or even a little deal for that matter. A little anal? Yes but who cares?!?
We will agree to disagree. I would think if he recruits a kid he develops a bond with a kid. Whether the kid picks the school or not. To unfollow to me is petty.
As for the LSU things today it's entirely different and screams trolling to me
I don't think following or unfollowing someone on twitter has anything to do with their bond.
Matt Norlander from CBS has been a friend of mine for a long time. He follows me and unfollows me regularly. When I'm more recruiting heavy in my tweets he follows then he'll unfollow when I go off that path. He likes to keep his timeline uncluttered from noise that isn't important to his business.
Some dudes are just really organized and matter of fact.
Isn't that what Twitter lists are for?
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And I don't want this to get lost. I want to see a change to the staff. Whether it's Matt or Mitch I don't care. If Matt wants more and he's the only one on the road then give him the money and trim the other fat. Can't have two high priced assistants like we do. So regardless of my feelings towards any one person I am all for a reshuffle however it shakes out the money tree
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And I don't want this to get lost. I want to see a change to the staff. Whether it's Matt or Mitch I don't care. If Matt wants more and he's the only one on the road then give him the money and trim the other fat. Can't have two high priced assistants like we do. So regardless of my feelings towards any one person I am all for a reshuffle however it shakes out the money tree
I think this is the point and the way most of us feel. Personally I'd rather see a guy like Rice or another recruiter than Mitch here. I think Mullin has enough NBA gravitas to sell to kids. I'd rather Mitch's spot go to a tireless recruiter and/or former head-coach type, whether it's Rice or somebody else.
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And I don't want this to get lost. I want to see a change to the staff. Whether it's Matt or Mitch I don't care. If Matt wants more and he's the only one on the road then give him the money and trim the other fat. Can't have two high priced assistants like we do. So regardless of my feelings towards any one person I am all for a reshuffle however it shakes out the money tree
This is fair.
I really liked Mitch in special assistant role. No disrespect to him but I just can't see him on the road. Play to your strengths.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I don't think unfollow or follow is that serious. I think this is really making a mountain out of a molehill.
With all due respect Is your opinion a little biased though?
He is one of my best friends but I don't think who he follows/unfollows is a big deal or even a little deal for that matter. A little anal? Yes but who cares?!?
We will agree to disagree. I would think if he recruits a kid he develops a bond with a kid. Whether the kid picks the school or not. To unfollow to me is petty.
As for the LSU things today it's entirely different and screams trolling to me
I don't think following or unfollowing someone on twitter has anything to do with their bond.
Matt Norlander from CBS has been a friend of mine for a long time. He follows me and unfollows me regularly. When I'm more recruiting heavy in my tweets he follows then he'll unfollow when I go off that path. He likes to keep his timeline uncluttered from noise that isn't important to his business.
Some dudes are just really organized and matter of fact.
Isn't that what Twitter lists are for?
Lists that's so 2013.
But seriously twitter really makes it hard to add and view lists on mobile.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I don't think unfollow or follow is that serious. I think this is really making a mountain out of a molehill.
With all due respect Is your opinion a little biased though?
He is one of my best friends but I don't think who he follows/unfollows is a big deal or even a little deal for that matter. A little anal? Yes but who cares?!?
We will agree to disagree. I would think if he recruits a kid he develops a bond with a kid. Whether the kid picks the school or not. To unfollow to me is petty.
As for the LSU things today it's entirely different and screams trolling to me
I don't think following or unfollowing someone on twitter has anything to do with their bond.
Matt Norlander from CBS has been a friend of mine for a long time. He follows me and unfollows me regularly. When I'm more recruiting heavy in my tweets he follows then he'll unfollow when I go off that path. He likes to keep his timeline uncluttered from noise that isn't important to his business.
Some dudes are just really organized and matter of fact.
Isn't that what Twitter lists are for?
Lists that's so 2013.
But seriously twitter really makes it hard to add and view lists on mobile.
I know I'm not cool. I don't Snapchat
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And I don't want this to get lost. I want to see a change to the staff. Whether it's Matt or Mitch I don't care. If Matt wants more and he's the only one on the road then give him the money and trim the other fat. Can't have two high priced assistants like we do. So regardless of my feelings towards any one person I am all for a reshuffle however it shakes out the money tree
I think this is the point and the way most of us feel. Personally I'd rather see a guy like Rice or another recruiter than Mitch here. I think Mullin has enough NBA gravitas to sell to kids. I'd rather Mitch's spot go to a tireless recruiter and/or former head-coach type, whether it's Rice or somebody else.
Matt- Recruiter (Let him be the alpha in this role)
St. Jean- Clipboard Strategy (He knows what he's doing an expect even more with more experience)
Mitch- Player Development (Can do this is special assistant role)
???- Someone with head coaching experience who understands recruiting landscape. (imo someone like Mike Rice fits this bill)
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And I don't want this to get lost. I want to see a change to the staff. Whether it's Matt or Mitch I don't care. If Matt wants more and he's the only one on the road then give him the money and trim the other fat. Can't have two high priced assistants like we do. So regardless of my feelings towards any one person I am all for a reshuffle however it shakes out the money tree
I think this is the point and the way most of us feel. Personally I'd rather see a guy like Rice or another recruiter than Mitch here. I think Mullin has enough NBA gravitas to sell to kids. I'd rather Mitch's spot go to a tireless recruiter and/or former head-coach type, whether it's Rice or somebody else.
Matt- Recruiter (Let him be the alpha in this role)
St. Jean- Clipboard Strategy (He knows what he's doing an expect even more with more experience)
Mitch- Player Development (Can do this is special assistant role)
???- Someone with head coaching experience who understands recruiting landscape. (imo someone like Mike Rice fits this bill)
We agree. Stop the presses.
But paying what Mitch is paid for special assistant is a waste of money. Maybe I'd feel less inclined to say that if Slice still wasn't on payroll
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The reaction to him potentially leaving just shows that he's probably worth what he's asking/wants from St Johns.
That being said, I hope this saga makes Mullin realizes that he needs to cover his ass because how #$%^ed would he be if his sole recruiter leaves. I think Mitch is good for our program but he needs to get another guy other there.
On this board, who gives people more of a hardon, Mike Rice or Donte Divencinzo
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The reaction to him potentially leaving just shows that he's probably worth what he's asking/wants from St Johns.
That being said, I hope this saga makes Mullin realizes that he needs to cover his ass because how #$%^ed would he be if his sole recruiter leaves. I think Mitch is good for our program but he needs to get another guy other there.
On this board, who gives people more of a hardon, Mike Rice or Donte Divencinzo
Mmmmm Donte
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The reaction to him potentially leaving just shows that he's probably worth what he's asking/wants from St Johns.
That being said, I hope this saga makes Mullin realizes that he needs to cover his ass because how #$%^ed would he be if his sole recruiter leaves. I think Mitch is good for our program but he needs to get another guy other there.
On this board, who gives people more of a hardon, Mike Rice or Donte Divencinzo
Dante hands down. We know how much SJU fans love a good white ball player. If he was from NYC they might elect him mayor of the city with a statue in Times Square
As for Rice plenty of supporters but just as many hate him. Those are the ones who have never made a mistake in their life and don't believe in second chances ;)
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The reaction to him potentially leaving just shows that he's probably worth what he's asking/wants from St Johns.
That being said, I hope this saga makes Mullin realizes that he needs to cover his ass because how #$%^ed would he be if his sole recruiter leaves. I think Mitch is good for our program but he needs to get another guy other there.
On this board, who gives people more of a hardon, Mike Rice or Donte Divencinzo
Dante hands down. We know how much SJU fans love a good white ball player. If he was from NYC they might elect him mayor of the city with a statue in Times Square
As for Rice plenty of supporters but just as many hate him. Those are the ones who have never made a mistake in their life and don't believe in second chances ;)
Is Lavarr Ball available?
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I think you can appreciate second chances and still want SJU to pass on Mike Rice.
He may be a changed man. But it was more than one incident, it was a pattern of behavior that occurred over years and years that earned him his reputation.
Why roll the dice to find out if he can control his temper when there are other candidates who can be the asst coach we need ?
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I think you can appreciate second chances and still want SJU to pass on Mike Rice.
He may be a changed man. But it was more than one incident, it was a pattern of behavior that occurred over years and years that earned him his reputation.
Why roll the dice to find out if he can control his temper when there are other candidates who can be the asst coach we need ?
you dont think him throwing balls could help our big men learn how to catch ? I see potential
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Also... I've said this before, but I'm simply not a believer in in your face aggressive screaming from a coach.
No other industry "trains" their professionals that way. (with the exception of drill seargents perhaps, and they serve a very limited role for boot camp and initiation into the military. )
Wooden didn't need to scream, curse, or threaten his players to get his point across.
That's not to say you don't need a coach to yell at you to run faster during conditioning. But imo the Bob knight and Mike rice shtick gets old fast and players tune it out.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
Im gonna trust that there is more than just this follow/unfollow bs.
Your trust on that is not misplaced 😉
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It's been rumored Matt makes anywhere between 250-350K. Let's not act like he isn't well compensated here.
Exactly, besides he signed the #$%^ing contract. How about honoring it. No one forced him to sign it.
I hate when they sign contracts, then in the middle of it they want more.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Bitch sh*t?
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It's been rumored Matt makes anywhere between 250-350K. Let's not act like he isn't well compensated here.
Exactly, besides he signed the #$%^ing contract. How about honoring it. No one forced him to sign it.
I hate when they sign contracts, then in the middle of it they want more.
St.John's hasn't signed anyone in over a year.
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It's been rumored Matt makes anywhere between 250-350K. Let's not act like he isn't well compensated here.
Exactly, besides he signed the #$%^ing contract. How about honoring it. No one forced him to sign it.
I hate when they sign contracts, then in the middle of it they want more.
St.John's hasn't signed anyone in over a year.
Yet raises are given out.
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Don't worry guys, things are set up nicely for the 2026 class.
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Also... I've said this before, but I'm simply not a believer in in your face aggressive screaming from a coach.
No other industry "trains" their professionals that way. (with the exception of drill seargents perhaps, and they serve a very limited role for boot camp and initiation into the military. )
Wooden didn't need to scream, curse, or threaten his players to get his point across.
That's not to say you don't need a coach to yell at you to run faster during conditioning. But imo the Bob knight and Mike rice shtick gets old fast and players tune it out.
Notwithstanding the fact the the ESPN cameramen refuse to show his antics on the sidelines, K has carved himself out a nice little career with his in your face screaming antics. No doubted learned from his mentor and his years at Army.
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But paying what Mitch is paid for special assistant is a waste of money. Maybe I'd feel less inclined to say that if Slice still wasn't on payroll
Why do you care how much the staff gets paid.
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It's been rumored Matt makes anywhere between 250-350K. Let's not act like he isn't well compensated here.
Exactly, besides he signed the #$%^ing contract. How about honoring it. No one forced him to sign it.
I hate when they sign contracts, then in the middle of it they want more.
St.John's hasn't signed anyone in over a year.
Well considering 2018 class can't sign till November you are correct.
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It's been rumored Matt makes anywhere between 250-350K. Let's not act like he isn't well compensated here.
Exactly, besides he signed the #$%^ing contract. How about honoring it. No one forced him to sign it.
I hate when they sign contracts, then in the middle of it they want more.
St.John's hasn't signed anyone in over a year.
Well considering 2018 class can't sign till November you are correct.
Come on Dave, it's not unreasonable to question what's going on.
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It's been rumored Matt makes anywhere between 250-350K. Let's not act like he isn't well compensated here.
Exactly, besides he signed the #$%^ing contract. How about honoring it. No one forced him to sign it.
I hate when they sign contracts, then in the middle of it they want more.
St.John's hasn't signed anyone in over a year.
Well considering 2018 class can't sign till November you are correct.
Come on Dave, it's not unreasonable to question what's going on.
How so? There are only 14 out of the Top 100 signed.
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It's been rumored Matt makes anywhere between 250-350K. Let's not act like he isn't well compensated here.
Exactly, besides he signed the #$%^ing contract. How about honoring it. No one forced him to sign it.
I hate when they sign contracts, then in the middle of it they want more.
St.John's hasn't signed anyone in over a year.
Well considering 2018 class can't sign till November you are correct.
Come on Dave, it's not unreasonable to question what's going on.
How so? There are only 14 out of the Top 100 signed.
Clarifying... I'm questioning why we've been linked to so few recruits? What's going on there? Who is staying, going and coming?
Crickets.
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It's been rumored Matt makes anywhere between 250-350K. Let's not act like he isn't well compensated here.
Exactly, besides he signed the #$%^ing contract. How about honoring it. No one forced him to sign it.
I hate when they sign contracts, then in the middle of it they want more.
St.John's hasn't signed anyone in over a year.
Well considering 2018 class can't sign till November you are correct.
Come on Dave, it's not unreasonable to question what's going on.
Take a look at scholarship table- http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=928.0
You do realize as of right now there is only 1 scholarship open. There are 3 open for 2018 and one player is already committed.
What are your expectations?
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Predictions:
1. Matt stays
2. Rice hired
3. ST Jean demoted to ball boy, but still diagrams the plays.
4. Rice signs big recruit.
5. Matt stop following Rice on Twitter
6. During TO Rice smashes ST Jean over the head with chair and steals dry board
7. During practice Rice beats up Mussini-Mullin quoted as saying "Louie used to beat him all the time, no big deal."
8. Monte stops following Rice on Twitter
9. Rice throws dry board at Ellison for looking confused at play he just drew up.
10. Rice smacks Ahmed in the head for shooting a fallaway lefthanded three pointer. -Mullin claims Al LoBalbo once shot him, this is nothing."
11. Ahmed Latrell Sprerwell's Rice
12. Matt follows Ahmed on Twitter
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Keep Matt
Hire Mike Rice
Make Mitch a Special Assistant
I'd have no issues with that whatsoever. Frankly, that should be the route they go.
So simple. Why can't the mensa crew figure this out. After hiring CM and making a big splash about rejuvenating this program, why are we at the edge of the precipice only 2 years later.
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I don't get the logic of some of you guys.
If Matt gets an offer from LSU see how much it is and decide if you want to match. Happens in any profession.
I personally don't think it would be much more than his current salary (but cost of living much lower) and I'd much rather keep him here.
Exactly. I would be more worried if no one wants people from our staff. It's the nature of the game. Pay the man what he is worth and there will be no issues. I think this is a non story.
That's just it. It should be a non story but with our admin it never is.
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It's been rumored Matt makes anywhere between 250-350K. Let's not act like he isn't well compensated here.
Exactly, besides he signed the #$%^ing contract. How about honoring it. No one forced him to sign it.
I hate when they sign contracts, then in the middle of it they want more.
St.John's hasn't signed anyone in over a year.
Well considering 2018 class can't sign till November you are correct.
Come on Dave, it's not unreasonable to question what's going on.
Take a look at scholarship table- http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=928.0
You do realize as of right now there is only 1 scholarship open. There are 3 open for 2018 and one player is already committed.
What are your expectations?
I think by now the players who are staying sans Lovett, who aren't looking to transfer, should know if they are staying or going. I think the staff should have already addressed this by now. Players are becoming available now.
If players leave that would open up ships for new kids.
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Anton Goff @AD_Goff_StJohns
#SJUBB I just read all the comments. I love the passion. This is what makes this place special!!!
No it doesn't. This place is always involved in controversy. Not a year goes by without this fan base having to worry whether or not you guys are going to screw this up. That's not passion it's anger.
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I am probably in the minority around but I don't think Matt A is as great as many on here. If he really wants to leave then let him go....
If he walks before he gets the program back to a strong level, and after all of his SJU bravada, he looks terrible in the basketball community.
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I am probably in the minority around but I don't think Matt A is as great as many on here. If he really wants to leave then let him go....
If he walks before he gets the program back to a strong level, and after all of his SJU bravada, he looks terrible in the basketball community.
LSU is a step down IMO. We're on a better trajectory than them and we also happen to have a significantly higher cost of living. A man should be able to look at his job options while appreciating the one he has. Don't you agree?
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I am probably in the minority around but I don't think Matt A is as great as many on here. If he really wants to leave then let him go....
If he walks before he gets the program back to a strong level, and after all of his SJU bravada, he looks terrible in the basketball community.
u r not alone
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I think you can appreciate second chances and still want SJU to pass on Mike Rice.
He may be a changed man. But it was more than one incident, it was a pattern of behavior that occurred over years and years that earned him his reputation.
Why roll the dice to find out if he can control his temper when there are other candidates who can be the asst coach we need ?
I don't think we should be the first school that hires him. We have enough problems that crop up seemingly out of nowhere. Too risky for us to take that chance.
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I think you can appreciate second chances and still want SJU to pass on Mike Rice.
He may be a changed man. But it was more than one incident, it was a pattern of behavior that occurred over years and years that earned him his reputation.
Why roll the dice to find out if he can control his temper when there are other candidates who can be the asst coach we need ?
I don't think we should be the first school that hires him. We have enough problems that crop up seemingly out of nowhere. Too risky for us to take that chance.
M aybe he is a changed man. Perhaps he can help us. If it doesn't work out, you part ways.
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I think you can appreciate second chances and still want SJU to pass on Mike Rice.
He may be a changed man. But it was more than one incident, it was a pattern of behavior that occurred over years and years that earned him his reputation.
Why roll the dice to find out if he can control his temper when there are other candidates who can be the asst coach we need ?
I don't think we should be the first school that hires him. We have enough problems that crop up seemingly out of nowhere. Too risky for us to take that chance.
If he can deliver some of those St. Patrick kids in the next few classes, I am all for it
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It's been rumored Matt makes anywhere between 250-350K. Let's not act like he isn't well compensated here.
Exactly, besides he signed the #$%^ing contract. How about honoring it. No one forced him to sign it.
I hate when they sign contracts, then in the middle of it they want more.
St.John's hasn't signed anyone in over a year.
Well considering 2018 class can't sign till November you are correct.
Come on Dave, it's not unreasonable to question what's going on.
Take a look at scholarship table- http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=928.0
You do realize as of right now there is only 1 scholarship open. There are 3 open for 2018 and one player is already committed.
What are your expectations?
I think by now the players who are staying sans Lovett, who aren't looking to transfer, should know if they are staying or going. I think the staff should have already addressed this by now. Players are becoming available now.
If players leave that would open up ships for new kids.
How do you know if they have or haven't?
Do you think the staff isn't prepared for scenarios A,B, and C?
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I am probably in the minority around but I don't think Matt A is as great as many on here. If he really wants to leave then let him go....
If he walks before he gets the program back to a strong level, and after all of his SJU bravada, he looks terrible in the basketball community.
I don't think that to be true. If St. John's has a good to very good year with or without him he'll get some credit for putting together majority of the roster. In basketball circles St. John's is often credited to having a talented roster.
To the contrary he might look terrible to some of the St. John's community however I think all of this is being blown way out of proportion.
This thread was created a while back that this might be a possibility and its a part of the biz. I think everything will get worked out and St. John's will be just fine.
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I think you can appreciate second chances and still want SJU to pass on Mike Rice.
He may be a changed man. But it was more than one incident, it was a pattern of behavior that occurred over years and years that earned him his reputation.
Why roll the dice to find out if he can control his temper when there are other candidates who can be the asst coach we need ?
I don't think we should be the first school that hires him. We have enough problems that crop up seemingly out of nowhere. Too risky for us to take that chance.
M aybe he is a changed man. Perhaps he can help us. If it doesn't work out, you part ways.
This school can't afford any more screw ups. Let some other school adopt the "perhaps" theory and take the gamble. We should not be the first school to hire him. Each screw up sets us back. We've had enough screw ups , losing Barry R and possible Matt A.
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I am probably in the minority around but I don't think Matt A is as great as many on here. If he really wants to leave then let him go....
If he walks before he gets the program back to a strong level, and after all of his SJU bravada, he looks terrible in the basketball community.
I don't think that to be true. If St. John's has a good to very good year with or without him he'll get some credit for putting together majority of the roster. In basketball circles St. John's is often credited to having a talented roster.
To the contrary he might look terrible to some of the St. John's community however I think all of this is being blown way out of proportion.
This thread was created a while back that this might be a possibility and its a part of the biz. I think everything will get worked out and St. John's will be just fine.
Very nicely worded way to say that you think he might leave and if he does, all will be ok - LOL
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Concerning the Rice/St.Pat's connection, aren't there certain restrictions surrounding HS coaches and the immediate years that they take on a position as it relates to recruiting their former players? Wasn't there a Mo Hicks/Harkless temporary stoppage in 2010?
"Earlier this summer, Hicks was questioned by the NCAA in connection with incoming St. John’s recruit Maurice Harkless.
Harkless played his AAU career predominantly with the New York Panthers, but played two events in 2010 with the New York Gauchos, where Hicks served as director prior to coming to St. John’s.
At issue was whether Hicks was considered by the NCAA an “individual associated with a prospect,” or IAWP as it relates to Harkless.
In July, the NCAA decided Hicks was not because of their limited relationship, and Harkless was cleared."
Hicks and Curtis Kelly's connection at Rice prevented us from picking up his transfer from Kansas St. as well if I remember correctly?
Doesn't a coach have to be hired as a AC not DOBO to prevent such things? I know Willard took advantage of the loophole somehow with the Lincoln coop (Tiny/Whitehead/Desi), and it's been done at other schools (Memphis/Miami/AZ) etc.
Someone please clarify the loophole for me, thanks fellas.
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Concerning the Rice/St.Pat's connection, aren't there certain restrictions surrounding HS coaches and the immediate years that they take on a position as it relates to recruiting their former players? Wasn't there a Mo Hicks/Harkless temporary stoppage in 2010?
"Earlier this summer, Hicks was questioned by the NCAA in connection with incoming St. John’s recruit Maurice Harkless.
Harkless played his AAU career predominantly with the New York Panthers, but played two events in 2010 with the New York Gauchos, where Hicks served as director prior to coming to St. John’s.
At issue was whether Hicks was considered by the NCAA an “individual associated with a prospect,” or IAWP as it relates to Harkless.
In July, the NCAA decided Hicks was not because of their limited relationship, and Harkless was cleared."
Hicks and Curtis Kelly's connection at Rice prevented us from picking up his transfer from Kansas St. as well if I remember correctly?
Doesn't a coach have to be hired as a AC not DOBO to prevent such things? I know Willard took advantage of the loophole somehow with the Lincoln coop (Tiny/Whitehead/Desi), and it's been done at other schools (Memphis/Miami/AZ) etc.
Someone please clarify the loophole for me, thanks fellas.
I think those rules have changed because SHU hired Tiny Morton and immediately took two Lincoln players
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Its because Hicks was DOBO. No restrictions if the coach hired is one of the 3 full time assistants. At least that is what it used to be.
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I am probably in the minority around but I don't think Matt A is as great as many on here. If he really wants to leave then let him go....
If he walks before he gets the program back to a strong level, and after all of his SJU bravada, he looks terrible in the basketball community.
I don't think that to be true. If St. John's has a good to very good year with or without him he'll get some credit for putting together majority of the roster. In basketball circles St. John's is often credited to having a talented roster.
To the contrary he might look terrible to some of the St. John's community however I think all of this is being blown way out of proportion.
This thread was created a while back that this might be a possibility and its a part of the biz. I think everything will get worked out and St. John's will be just fine.
Very nicely worded way to say that you think he might leave and if he does, all will be ok - LOL
I don't think he leaves.
However if he leaves of course the beat goes on but we are better with than without.
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Its because Hicks was DOBO. No restrictions if the coach hired is one of the 3 full time assistants. At least that is what it used to be.
Right, so if Rice were to be hired it would have to be as a assistant, assuming we want to take advantage of his immediate 2018-19 Jersey recruiting connections. Meaning one of the highly expensive current AC's would either have to be demoted or bought out, which isn't happening in light of the recent Slice buyout and Abs raise. Seeing as how the school is scaling back and restricting their finances throughout the school, lets hope that we have a hefty donor stipend in order to afford another AC.
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Its because Hicks was DOBO. No restrictions if the coach hired is one of the 3 full time assistants. At least that is what it used to be.
Right, so if Rice were to be hired it would have to be as a assistant, assuming we want to take advantage of his immediate 2018-19 Jersey recruiting connections. Meaning one of the highly expensive current AC's would either have to be demoted or bought out, which isn't happening in light of the recent Slice buyout and Abs raise. Seeing as how the school is scaling back and restricting their finances throughout the school, lets hope that we have a hefty donor stipend in order to afford another AC.
Everyone calls him Matt but you're going to go with Abs?
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Its because Hicks was DOBO. No restrictions if the coach hired is one of the 3 full time assistants. At least that is what it used to be.
Right, so if Rice were to be hired it would have to be as a assistant, assuming we want to take advantage of his immediate 2018-19 Jersey recruiting connections. Meaning one of the highly expensive current AC's would either have to be demoted or bought out, which isn't happening in light of the recent Slice buyout and Abs raise. Seeing as how the school is scaling back and restricting their finances throughout the school, lets hope that we have a hefty donor stipend in order to afford another AC.
Everyone calls him Matt but you're going to go with Abs?
Lmao yessir!
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PMG is right. And it was MoMo for sure that we couldn't get because of Hicks.
Irony is that Lavin still has a job if he hired Tiny and Willard would be elsewhere. Not sure if Antigua ever approached Lavin but he brought Angel and to a degree Carrington to the Hall. I was critical at time but it worked out splendidly for Willard.
Will say there is a big difference between hiring Rice versus Tiny and Antigua. You hire Rice because of his ability as a coach and recruiter going forward. Tiny and Antigua are guys with checkered pasts retained to bring players in the short term and nothing more. Totally different situations.
Concerning the Rice/St.Pat's connection, aren't there certain restrictions surrounding HS coaches and the immediate years that they take on a position as it relates to recruiting their former players? Wasn't there a Mo Hicks/Harkless temporary stoppage in 2010?
"Earlier this summer, Hicks was questioned by the NCAA in connection with incoming St. John’s recruit Maurice Harkless.
Harkless played his AAU career predominantly with the New York Panthers, but played two events in 2010 with the New York Gauchos, where Hicks served as director prior to coming to St. John’s.
At issue was whether Hicks was considered by the NCAA an “individual associated with a prospect,” or IAWP as it relates to Harkless.
In July, the NCAA decided Hicks was not because of their limited relationship, and Harkless was cleared."
Hicks and Curtis Kelly's connection at Rice prevented us from picking up his transfer from Kansas St. as well if I remember correctly?
Doesn't a coach have to be hired as a AC not DOBO to prevent such things? I know Willard took advantage of the loophole somehow with the Lincoln coop (Tiny/Whitehead/Desi), and it's been done at other schools (Memphis/Miami/AZ) etc.
Someone please clarify the loophole for me, thanks fellas.
I think those rules have changed because SHU hired Tiny Morton and immediately took two Lincoln players
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And I don't want this to get lost. I want to see a change to the staff. Whether it's Matt or Mitch I don't care. If Matt wants more and he's the only one on the road then give him the money and trim the other fat. Can't have two high priced assistants like we do. So regardless of my feelings towards any one person I am all for a reshuffle however it shakes out the money tree
Changes are coming and for the better...
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If Matt feels he's coming up empty on his 2018 recruits expect him to run off to LSU.
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Having trolls bashing our primary recruiter at every opportunity is an ideal way to guarantee that our 2018 recruiting class meets our expectations.
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Having trolls bashing our primary recruiter at every opportunity is an ideal way to guarantee that our 2018 recruiting class meets our expectations.
Yes. That and the primary recruiter with a foot the door at first chance
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I think it is a smart move to unfollow a kid that commits to another program (or at least indicates no interest in being recruited by you). Why chance communicating (tampering?) with a kid who has committed elsewhere.
As far as assistants, what about Kevin Boyle at Monteverde?
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I think it is a smart move to unfollow a kid that commits to another program (or at least indicates no interest in being recruited by you). Why chance communicating (tampering?) with a kid who has committed elsewhere.
As far as assistants, what about Kevin Boyle at Monteverde?
This whole twitter thing of who he follows and unfollows is ridiculous, who cares. It's not like he is the only recruiter that does this. The people who are always talking about it are the ones who have an issue with him. Is there an easy way to see or do people actually waste their time scanning who he is following and not following?
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Not sure if there is an easy way to glean this info without doing some stalkerish behavior. I've never paid attention to other people's follows. Also, twitter lists are almost impossible to maintain. I tried at the beginning, and gave up.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I think it is a smart move to unfollow a kid that commits to another program (or at least indicates no interest in being recruited by you). Why chance communicating (tampering?) with a kid who has committed elsewhere.
As far as assistants, what about Kevin Boyle at Monteverde?
This whole twitter thing of who he follows and unfollows is ridiculous, who cares. It's not like he is the only recruiter that does this. The people who are always talking about it are the ones who have an issue with him. Is there an easy way to see or do people actually waste their time scanning who he is following and not following?
That's not correct. Most of the people who sweat who Matt follows and unfollows are those who follow recruiting and want to see where SJU stands with recruits.
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I think it is a smart move to unfollow a kid that commits to another program (or at least indicates no interest in being recruited by you). Why chance communicating (tampering?) with a kid who has committed elsewhere.
As far as assistants, what about Kevin Boyle at Monteverde?
This whole twitter thing of who he follows and unfollows is ridiculous, who cares. It's not like he is the only recruiter that does this. The people who are always talking about it are the ones who have an issue with him. Is there an easy way to see or do people actually waste their time scanning who he is following and not following?
That's not correct. Most of the people who sweat who Matt follows and unfollows are those who follow recruiting and want to see where SJU stands with recruits.
The whole thing is creepy...
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Matt unfollowed LSU Basketball but not the two LSU beat writers.
Man, this is what it has come to with no college basketball to watch
That is some childish sh*t he does with his following and unfollowing. If his friend coaches LSU, then follow them. The only way this makes sense to me is if Wade didn't offer or changed his mind and rescinded the offer.
Childish ain't the word.
Have you soured on Matt?
Soured?
I was never like others were and quickly saw the full picture.
Regardless of my or Baldi's opinions nobody can say the way he acts on Twitter is right. It's so petty it's sad. He knows fans follow who he follows. So if he comes back and just followed the LSU accounts to troll does that change how people view him ? Regardless he's unfollows kids he stops recruiting and it's a small world. Never know who you might come across again.
I think it is a smart move to unfollow a kid that commits to another program (or at least indicates no interest in being recruited by you). Why chance communicating (tampering?) with a kid who has committed elsewhere.
As far as assistants, what about Kevin Boyle at Monteverde?
This whole twitter thing of who he follows and unfollows is ridiculous, who cares. It's not like he is the only recruiter that does this. The people who are always talking about it are the ones who have an issue with him. Is there an easy way to see or do people actually waste their time scanning who he is following and not following?
That's not correct. Most of the people who sweat who Matt follows and unfollows are those who follow recruiting and want to see where SJU stands with recruits.
The whole thing is creepy...
I just love how when its about him following a recruit that we might get its all well and good and everyone is giddy.
But if someone points out he's following LSU related accounts that makes him look bad.
If Matt was a grad of Western Kentucky and not SJU I guarantee people would hold him to a different standard.
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I just think the whole idea of following how someone is following someone and then posting it as news is a bit out there.
I have no interest myself.
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I just think the whole idea of following how someone is following someone and then posting it as news is a bit out there.
I have no interest myself.
I get that, but its the world we live in now. Twitter exists. If someone chooses to ignore it that's their prerogative. But in reality its another form of a message board, no? With the click of a button you can see who follows what recruits, who follows hot female celebrities, who follows Republicans, Democrats or whatever.
Don't understand how its characterized as creepy or people wasting time?
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I just think the whole idea of following how someone is following someone and then posting it as news is a bit out there.
I have no interest myself.
I get that, but its the world we live in now. Twitter exists. If someone chooses to ignore it that's their prerogative. But in reality its another form of a message board, no? With the click of a button you can see who follows what recruits, who follows hot female celebrities, who follows Republicans, Democrats or whatever.
Don't understand how its characterized as creepy or people wasting time?
Creepy can be taken different ways. I just think if you have enough time on your hands to follow someone who may/may not be following someone else and then pay specific attention to who they may unfollow perhaps you may want to say, is this normal??? :)
Or maybe I am just jealous because I don't have enough time to do that, of course I probably spend too much time on a message board with people almost as crazy as I am so there is that...
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I just think the whole idea of following how someone is following someone and then posting it as news is a bit out there.
I have no interest myself.
I get that, but its the world we live in now. Twitter exists. If someone chooses to ignore it that's their prerogative. But in reality its another form of a message board, no? With the click of a button you can see who follows what recruits, who follows hot female celebrities, who follows Republicans, Democrats or whatever.
Don't understand how its characterized as creepy or people wasting time?
Creepy can be taken different ways. I just think if you have enough time on your hands to follow someone who may/may not be following someone else and then pay specific attention to who they may unfollow perhaps you may want to say, is this normal??? :)
Or maybe I am just jealous because I don't have enough time to do that, of course I probably spend too much time on a message board with people almost as crazy as I am so there is that...
I would say that 99% of the time it's pointless to see who is following who and what not, but I think it's somewhat pertinent this case when it's a clear possibility Matt could leave to join Wade's staff at LSU and Matt goes ahead and follows LSU beat writers and the LSU Basketball official Twitter account. Does it necessarily mean anything one way or the other? Probably not, but it's still interesting.
It doesn't take any time at all to see who anybody's most recent follows are. If you go to their page and click "following" their most recent follows will come up first. You don't have to scroll through their entire follow list and keep track of who is there and who isn't there. I don't know if it works that way on the Twitter app but thats how it works on the website
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I just think the whole idea of following how someone is following someone and then posting it as news is a bit out there.
I have no interest myself.
I get that, but its the world we live in now. Twitter exists. If someone chooses to ignore it that's their prerogative. But in reality its another form of a message board, no? With the click of a button you can see who follows what recruits, who follows hot female celebrities, who follows Republicans, Democrats or whatever.
Don't understand how its characterized as creepy or people wasting time?
Creepy can be taken different ways. I just think if you have enough time on your hands to follow someone who may/may not be following someone else and then pay specific attention to who they may unfollow perhaps you may want to say, is this normal??? :)
Or maybe I am just jealous because I don't have enough time to do that, of course I probably spend too much time on a message board with people almost as crazy as I am so there is that...
Normal? Like you said many would say time spent on message board isn't normal either ;)
I just think it's odd for people to tell others (not saying you specifically ) how to spend their time. Some people are retired. Some out of work. Some have jobs but they are boring jobs and have free time. Some have bad marriages and would rather peruse Twitter ha.
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I just think the whole idea of following how someone is following someone and then posting it as news is a bit out there.
I have no interest myself.
I get that, but its the world we live in now. Twitter exists. If someone chooses to ignore it that's their prerogative. But in reality its another form of a message board, no? With the click of a button you can see who follows what recruits, who follows hot female celebrities, who follows Republicans, Democrats or whatever.
Don't understand how its characterized as creepy or people wasting time?
Creepy can be taken different ways. I just think if you have enough time on your hands to follow someone who may/may not be following someone else and then pay specific attention to who they may unfollow perhaps you may want to say, is this normal??? :)
Or maybe I am just jealous because I don't have enough time to do that, of course I probably spend too much time on a message board with people almost as crazy as I am so there is that...
Normal? Like you said many would say time spent on message board isn't normal either ;)
I just think it's odd for people to tell others (not saying you specifically ) how to spend their time. Some people are retired. Some out of work. Some have jobs but they are boring jobs and have free time. Some have bad marriages and would rather peruse Twitter ha.
havnt you spent time saying matt shouldnt spend time following and unfollowing people on twitter?
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Matt Abdelmassih Verified account @mabde33
When what you value is clear, making decisions becomes easier #SJUBB
Looks like a decision has been made
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
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I just think the whole idea of following how someone is following someone and then posting it as news is a bit out there.
I have no interest myself.
I get that, but its the world we live in now. Twitter exists. If someone chooses to ignore it that's their prerogative. But in reality its another form of a message board, no? With the click of a button you can see who follows what recruits, who follows hot female celebrities, who follows Republicans, Democrats or whatever.
Don't understand how its characterized as creepy or people wasting time?
Creepy can be taken different ways. I just think if you have enough time on your hands to follow someone who may/may not be following someone else and then pay specific attention to who they may unfollow perhaps you may want to say, is this normal??? :)
Or maybe I am just jealous because I don't have enough time to do that, of course I probably spend too much time on a message board with people almost as crazy as I am so there is that...
Normal? Like you said many would say time spent on message board isn't normal either ;)
I just think it's odd for people to tell others (not saying you specifically ) how to spend their time. Some people are retired. Some out of work. Some have jobs but they are boring jobs and have free time. Some have bad marriages and would rather peruse Twitter ha.
havnt you spent time saying matt shouldnt spend time following and unfollowing people on twitter?
No. I'm sure he has lots of time on the road and Twitter is a great place to spend it.
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
I still hope they bring in another assistant who will recruit and aide in the coaching department.
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
I still hope they bring in another assistant who will recruit and aide in the coaching department.
Well Fordham alluded to something. No?
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
I still hope they bring in another assistant who will recruit and aide in the coaching department.
Well Fordham alluded to something. No?
He may have. I can't really recall.
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
I still hope they bring in another assistant who will recruit and aide in the coaching department.
+1
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Good to have this cloud lifted. This rebuild has a long way to go, and with the inroads Matt has made with the 2018 kids and with whatever's going to happen with Grad students and other transfers this continuity helps the program. If CM is considering any changes to his staff, prefer that they be based on his decisions rather than scrambling to fill a void.
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I would hope Mitch wants to go back to special assistant and they can hire a second recruiter/coach type person.
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I'm glad we retained Matt. I don't think it is underrated to have done so. Our recruiting would have been blown up at this stage of the game. Now Matt needs to go out and land us a blockbuster 18' class.
As far as assistants, we can't make the same mistakes we have made in the past and have all our eggs in one basket like we have with Matt. Need an additional coach/recruiter. Mitch might be great at player development, but he's not recruiting and scouting for talent and that's so,etching we need, as well as organized and experienced strategist.
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I'm glad we retained Matt. I don't think it is underrated to have done so. Our recruiting would have been blown up at this stage of the game. Now Matt needs to go out and land us a blockbuster 18' class.
As far as assistants, we can't make the same mistakes we have made in the past and have all our eggs in one basket like we have with Matt. Need an additional coach/recruiter. Mitch might be great at player development, but he's not recruiting and scouting for talent and that's so,etching we need, as well as organized and experienced strategist.
What exactly has Mitch shown so far that would make you say he's great at player development?
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Did he get a raise?
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Did he get a raise?
Private school, private info. I don't think anything has changed at this point.
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I'm glad we retained Matt. I don't think it is underrated to have done so. Our recruiting would have been blown up at this stage of the game. Now Matt needs to go out and land us a blockbuster 18' class.
As far as assistants, we can't make the same mistakes we have made in the past and have all our eggs in one basket like we have with Matt. Need an additional coach/recruiter. Mitch might be great at player development, but he's not recruiting and scouting for talent and that's so,etching we need, as well as organized and experienced strategist.
What exactly has Mitch shown so far that would make you say he's great at player development?
I was offering it up as one of his potential positives as opposed to strategy nor recruiting. I meant it more as a question, supposition.
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Did he get a raise?
Private school, private info. I don't think anything has changed at this point.
I doubt he decided to stick around without getting some sort of raise. That's a pretty weak bluff then
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What did Fordham hint at regarding the coaching staff ?
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What did Fordham hint at regarding the coaching staff ?
That we're getting another coach we will be happy w.
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I would hope Mitch wants to go back to special assistant and they can hire a second recruiter/coach type person.
This is beyond absurd. We are hoping Richmond accepts a demotion I assume with full pay. So we can pay someone else to coach and recruit.
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I would hope Mitch wants to go back to special assistant and they can hire a second recruiter/coach type person.
This is beyond absurd. We are hoping Richmond accepts a demotion I assume with full pay. So we can pay someone else to coach and recruit.
I don't care what they get paid... I just wanna see SJU win...
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
I still hope they bring in another assistant who will recruit and aide in the coaching department.
Well Fordham alluded to something. No?
He may have. I can't really recall.
Here is what I heard and to be honest it is all positive.
1) Matt was staying.
2) Lovett is also staying and
3) A new staff member is definitely in play.
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
I still hope they bring in another assistant who will recruit and aide in the coaching department.
Well Fordham alluded to something. No?
He may have. I can't really recall.
Here is what I heard and to be honest it is all positive.
1) Matt was staying.
2) Lovett is also staying and
3) A new staff member is definitely in play.
TREMENDOUS NEWS.
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
I still hope they bring in another assistant who will recruit and aide in the coaching department.
Well Fordham alluded to something. No?
He may have. I can't really recall.
Here is what I heard and to be honest it is all positive.
1) Matt was staying.
2) Lovett is also staying and
3) A new staff member is definitely in play.
that makes mjmaherjr very happy
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I would hope Mitch wants to go back to special assistant and they can hire a second recruiter/coach type person.
This is beyond absurd. We are hoping Richmond accepts a demotion I assume with full pay. So we can pay someone else to coach and recruit.
I don't care what they get paid... I just wanna see SJU win...
I mean Mitch was ALREADY being paid as a special assistant. What does it matter if he gets "demoted"
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
I still hope they bring in another assistant who will recruit and aide in the coaching department.
Well Fordham alluded to something. No?
He may have. I can't really recall.
Here is what I heard and to be honest it is all positive.
1) Matt was staying.
2) Lovett is also staying and
3) A new staff member is definitely in play.
Hope you're right and the Lovett came to his senses
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I would hope Mitch wants to go back to special assistant and they can hire a second recruiter/coach type person.
This is beyond absurd. We are hoping Richmond accepts a demotion I assume with full pay. So we can pay someone else to coach and recruit.
All of our guards excelled on offense and we shot lights out. Coincidence? Let him be a face
of the program and work with the guards. His heart isn't in it to be out recruiting like a full-time assistant. What's so absurd about keeping him and bringing in a guy like Rice?
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
I still hope they bring in another assistant who will recruit and aide in the coaching department.
Well Fordham alluded to something. No?
He may have. I can't really recall.
Here is what I heard and to be honest it is all positive.
1) Matt was staying.
2) Lovett is also staying and
3) A new staff member is definitely in play.
Hope you're right and the Lovett came to his senses
We are all taking comfort in the fact that you "hope" I am right. ::)
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
I still hope they bring in another assistant who will recruit and aide in the coaching department.
Well Fordham alluded to something. No?
He may have. I can't really recall.
Here is what I heard and to be honest it is all positive.
1) Matt was staying.
2) Lovett is also staying and
3) A new staff member is definitely in play.
Hope you're right and the Lovett came to his senses
We are all taking comfort in the fact that you "hope" I am right. ::)
Damn right you are
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
I still hope they bring in another assistant who will recruit and aide in the coaching department.
Well Fordham alluded to something. No?
He may have. I can't really recall.
Here is what I heard and to be honest it is all positive.
1) Matt was staying.
2) Lovett is also staying and
3) A new staff member is definitely in play.
Hope you're right and the Lovett came to his senses
We are all taking comfort in the fact that you "hope" I am right. ::)
Damn right you are
I'll sleep better tonight.
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Well those all sound like huge positives. Hopefully they all come true. We land a great 18' class, and we get into some sort of cycle of normalcy moving forward. Year 2 of a rebuild entering year 3 is exactly when we can't afford this stuff to happen. Year 5 or 6 we can absorb these hits a little better..
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Zagoria: Matt is staying at @StJohnsBBall and not going to LSU.
I still hope they bring in another assistant who will recruit and aide in the coaching department.
Well Fordham alluded to something. No?
He may have. I can't really recall.
Here is what I heard and to be honest it is all positive.
1) Matt was staying.
2) Lovett is also staying and
3) A new staff member is definitely in play.
TREMENDOUS NEWS.
on a personal note I also have TREMENDOUS NEWS
1) Wife staying
2) Dog staying
3) Mistress in play (possibly Jessica Alba or Megan Fox)
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St. Jean just joined twitter and is following Fordham
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St. Jean just joined twitter and is following Fordham
The school or the poster !
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St. Jean just joined twitter and is following Fordham
The school or the poster !
The D2 school
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I would hope Mitch wants to go back to special assistant and they can hire a second recruiter/coach type person.
This is beyond absurd. We are hoping Richmond accepts a demotion I assume with full pay. So we can pay someone else to coach and recruit.
All of our guards excelled on offense and we shot lights out. Coincidence? Let him be a face
of the program and work with the guards. His heart isn't in it to be out recruiting like a full-time assistant. What's so absurd about keeping him and bringing in a guy like Rice?
If he gets credit for the offense then he deserves the blame for the lack of defense. Honestly I don't disagree with you guys. I hope Richmond stays under the current situation. I also want an experiment coach added to the team. I want to win. I don't care who is coaching.
But it really bothers me that Mullin gets such a pass. He should have hired someone 2 years ago.
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I would hope Mitch wants to go back to special assistant and they can hire a second recruiter/coach type person.
This is beyond absurd. We are hoping Richmond accepts a demotion I assume with full pay. So we can pay someone else to coach and recruit.
All of our guards excelled on offense and we shot lights out. Coincidence? Let him be a face
of the program and work with the guards. His heart isn't in it to be out recruiting like a full-time assistant. What's so absurd about keeping him and bringing in a guy like Rice?
If he gets credit for the offense then he deserves the blame for the lack of defense. Honestly I don't disagree with you guys. I hope Richmond stays under the current situation. I also want an experiment coach added to the team. I want to win. I don't care who is coaching.
But it really bothers me that Mullin gets such a pass. He should have hired someone 2 years ago.
He did hire somebody 2 years ago.... Slice. He just needs to be replaced. An experiment coach?. Wtf is that? Richmond would be better for us at a lower role. We need somebody that can both recruit and help with the coaching stuff. I still like a hire like Mike Rice. He's organized, well liked by his players in general spare past incidents, and has great work ethic. He also has a ton of tri-state recruiting connections. He can help both with coaching duties and recruiting. There are others as well, but Rice is just sitting there, likely won't find his redemption as a head coach any time soon, and I think could really offer a lot.
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I would hope Mitch wants to go back to special assistant and they can hire a second recruiter/coach type person.
This is beyond absurd. We are hoping Richmond accepts a demotion I assume with full pay. So we can pay someone else to coach and recruit.
All of our guards excelled on offense and we shot lights out. Coincidence? Let him be a face
of the program and work with the guards. His heart isn't in it to be out recruiting like a full-time assistant. What's so absurd about keeping him and bringing in a guy like Rice?
I agree. No downside if he's willing to be a special assistant.
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I would hope Mitch wants to go back to special assistant and they can hire a second recruiter/coach type person.
This is beyond absurd. We are hoping Richmond accepts a demotion I assume with full pay. So we can pay someone else to coach and recruit.
All of our guards excelled on offense and we shot lights out. Coincidence? Let him be a face
of the program and work with the guards. His heart isn't in it to be out recruiting like a full-time assistant. What's so absurd about keeping him and bringing in a guy like Rice?
If he gets credit for the offense then he deserves the blame for the lack of defense. Honestly I don't disagree with you guys. I hope Richmond stays under the current situation. I also want an experiment coach added to the team. I want to win. I don't care who is coaching.
But it really bothers me that Mullin gets such a pass. He should have hired someone 2 years ago.
He did hire somebody 2 years ago.... Slice. He just needs to be replaced. An experiment coach?. Wtf is that? Richmond would be better for us at a lower role. We need somebody that can both recruit and help with the coaching stuff. I still like a hire like Mike Rice. He's organized, well liked by his players in general spare past incidents, and has great work ethic. He also has a ton of tri-state recruiting connections. He can help both with coaching duties and recruiting. There are others as well, but Rice is just sitting there, likely won't find his redemption as a head coach any time soon, and I think could really offer a lot.
I like what Rice has done being fired from Rutgers. Unlike Bobby Knight, he seems to genuinely be sorry for how he treated people. No one here knows if he genuinely is, but I think it's pretty presumptuous of us to assume that most of his former players like him. Ad don't know that.
And to be clear I'm not arguing in favor of or against hiring Rice. IDK if he's a changed man.
My concern with this staff is in the amount of risk they are willing to entertain. Livingston, Brown and now Rice could represent a poor example of learning from your mistakes as an institution. They had better be damn sure that Mike Rice is a different person now.
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I would hope Mitch wants to go back to special assistant and they can hire a second recruiter/coach type person.
This is beyond absurd. We are hoping Richmond accepts a demotion I assume with full pay. So we can pay someone else to coach and recruit.
All of our guards excelled on offense and we shot lights out. Coincidence? Let him be a face
of the program and work with the guards. His heart isn't in it to be out recruiting like a full-time assistant. What's so absurd about keeping him and bringing in a guy like Rice?
If he gets credit for the offense then he deserves the blame for the lack of defense. Honestly I don't disagree with you guys. I hope Richmond stays under the current situation. I also want an experiment coach added to the team. I want to win. I don't care who is coaching.
But it really bothers me that Mullin gets such a pass. He should have hired someone 2 years ago.
He did hire somebody 2 years ago.... Slice. He just needs to be replaced. An experiment coach?. Wtf is that? Richmond would be better for us at a lower role. We need somebody that can both recruit and help with the coaching stuff. I still like a hire like Mike Rice. He's organized, well liked by his players in general spare past incidents, and has great work ethic. He also has a ton of tri-state recruiting connections. He can help both with coaching duties and recruiting. There are others as well, but Rice is just sitting there, likely won't find his redemption as a head coach any time soon, and I think could really offer a lot.
I like what Rice has done being fired from Rutgers. Unlike Bobby Knight, he seems to genuinely be sorry for how he treated people. No one here knows if he genuinely is, but I think it's pretty presumptuous of us to assume that most of his former players like him. Ad don't know that.
And to be clear I'm not arguing in favor of or against hiring Rice. IDK if he's a changed man.
My concern with this staff is in the amount of risk they are willing to entertain. Livingston, Brown and now Rice could represent a poor example of learning from your mistakes as an institution. They had better be damn sure that Mike Rice is a different person now.
Truth is it doesn't have to be Mike Rice. I think his name came up a lot because he's local, out of a job, has experience and recruiting ties. I don't think it needs to be him, but as recent evidence with Matt's situation indicates, we need a yin to his yang on the recruiting trail. We can't be hostage to an assistant potentially leaving in the future, and we certainly could use some experience on the sideline.
While losing Slice didn't kill us, we never replaced him, and ran into trouble. Definitely need another upper level assistant that has experience and recruiting ties. Jim Calhoun relied on Blane. Pitino on Willard, amongst others. Doesn't have to be Rice but we'd be smart to have somebody like that on board.
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
We have a full roster of mostly underclassmen.
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
If we had 2017 recruits committed where would the scholarships for transfers come from?
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We also have two highly rated transfers on roster, and Diakite for 2018. I think it's only a matter of time before we land more. That including ponds, Lovett etc. I think we have a very solid, young roster. We definitely need a big 2018 class though.
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
If we had 2017 recruits committed where would the scholarships for transfers come from?
You recruit over players, like big boy programs do
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
We have a full roster of mostly underclassmen.
Ellison,Mussini,Williams,Ahmed,Owens, Amar, Yakwe are not underclassmen anymore. Stop.using that as a crutch
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
If we had 2017 recruits committed where would the scholarships for transfers come from?
You recruit over players, like big boy programs do
Yeah, maybe Slice would have landed another Durand Johnson. That would have been swell
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
If we had 2017 recruits committed where would the scholarships for transfers come from?
You recruit over players, like big boy programs do
Yeah, maybe Slice would have landed another Durand Johnson. That would have been swell
Yet we talk here like a transfer from Green Bay is exactly what we need
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Isn't Rowsey from Marquette a transfer for a mid-tier D-I school? He is a pretty good player - no? I believe you are a big fan.
I have no idea if the kid from Green Bay is any good. But I don't want to write off anyone, especially senior grad transfers, because older more experienced/developed kids from mid-level schools have shown they can be contributors in bigger conferences.
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So Fordham96 breaks the news that Marcus is staying, and no one wants to discuss this? Incessant whining on end for days after the rumors that Marcus and Abs are leaving, now we have two positive developments within two days and crickets.
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
If we had 2017 recruits committed where would the scholarships for transfers come from?
You recruit over players, like big boy programs do
Yeah, maybe Slice would have landed another Durand Johnson. That would have been swell
Yet we talk here like a transfer from Green Bay is exactly what we need
Xavier has transfers from Florida A&M and Norfolk State playing important minutes for them. Florida has a transfer from College of Charleston playing important minutes for them. They must be terrible recruiting programs to have to pick up transfers from schools like that
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Isn't Rowsey from Marquette a transfer for a mid-tier D-I school? He is a pretty good player - no? I believe you are a big fan.
I have no idea if the kid from Green Bay is any good. But I don't want to write off anyone, especially senior grad transfers, because older more experienced/developed kids from mid-level schools have shown they can be contributors in bigger conferences.
You missed my point. Goredmen blasted Slice for Durand Johnson.
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
We have a full roster of mostly underclassmen.
Ellison,Mussini,Williams,Ahmed,Owens, Amar, Yakwe are not underclassmen anymore. Stop.using that as a crutch
Except that they are...
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
We have a full roster of mostly underclassmen.
Ellison,Mussini,Williams,Ahmed,Owens, Amar, Yakwe are not underclassmen anymore. Stop.using that as a crutch
Except that they are...
Were
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
We have a full roster of mostly underclassmen.
Ellison,Mussini,Williams,Ahmed,Owens, Amar, Yakwe are not underclassmen anymore. Stop.using that as a crutch
Except that they are...
Were
My mistake. I was unaware the 2017-2018 season had already begun. Did Lovett come back? Did St. Jean take a coaching position somewhere else? I can't believe I missed 8 months...
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
We have a full roster of mostly underclassmen.
Ellison,Mussini,Williams,Ahmed,Owens, Amar, Yakwe are not underclassmen anymore. Stop.using that as a crutch
Except that they are...
Were
My mistake. I was unaware the 2017-2018 season had already begun. Did Lovett come back? Did St. Jean take a coaching position somewhere else? I can't believe I missed 8 months...
Not sure if anyone told you, but the season is over buddy.
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
If we had 2017 recruits committed where would the scholarships for transfers come from?
You recruit over players, like big boy programs do
You fundamentally don't understand, 5th year transfers are not the same as traditional transfers nor should they be viewed that way.
2 years ago Louisville got an ENTIRE BACKCOURT from lower level grad transfers. Damion Lee from Drexel and Trey Lewis from Cleveland St. Louisville dude, Rick Pitino. John Gillon transferred to Syracuse for 1 season from Colorado St. and started immediately.
This has nothing to do with recruiting over people.
Now when you have a pretty full roster in terms of not many scholarships available and you need a player or two to bridge the next year and that can IMMEDIATELY help you even if they come from a lower conference, than the grad transfer market is ideal.
And what other choice do they have? You are acting like 4 and 5 star kids are readily available this late in the game, they aren't. And if you want to talk about 2018 kids, fine, except they do SJU no good until 2018.
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
If we had 2017 recruits committed where would the scholarships for transfers come from?
You recruit over players, like big boy programs do
You fundamentally don't understand, 5th year transfers are not the same as traditional transfers nor should they be viewed that way.
2 years ago Louisville got an ENTIRE BACKCOURT from lower level grad transfers. Damion Lee from Drexel and Trey Lewis from Cleveland St. Louisville dude, Rick Pitino. John Gillon transferred to Syracuse for 1 season from Colorado St. and started immediately.
This has nothing to do with recruiting over people.
Now when you have a pretty full roster in terms of not many scholarships available and you need a player or two to bridge the next year and that can IMMEDIATELY help you even if they come from a lower conference, than the grad transfer market is ideal.
And what other choice do they have? You are acting like 4 and 5 star kids are readily available this late in the game, they aren't. And if you want to talk about 2018 kids, fine, except they do SJU no good until 2018.
Were 4 and 5 star kids available a few months back, a year ago for this class? Pressure is on the recruiter. He's recruited an 8th place team that didn't make the C tournament. And he got a raise.
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
We have a full roster of mostly underclassmen.
Ellison,Mussini,Williams,Ahmed,Owens, Amar, Yakwe are not underclassmen anymore. Stop.using that as a crutch
They all have scholarships and at least 1 year left. It's not a crutch. Our roster is full, and 2018 has (rightfully) been the focus for over a year.
I understand your friends are upset about Slice, and I agree that it was a suspect strategic move for the program. We all get you don't like Matt. It might be time to take a break from the board - the offseason just started.
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
If we had 2017 recruits committed where would the scholarships for transfers come from?
You recruit over players, like big boy programs do
You fundamentally don't understand, 5th year transfers are not the same as traditional transfers nor should they be viewed that way.
2 years ago Louisville got an ENTIRE BACKCOURT from lower level grad transfers. Damion Lee from Drexel and Trey Lewis from Cleveland St. Louisville dude, Rick Pitino. John Gillon transferred to Syracuse for 1 season from Colorado St. and started immediately.
This has nothing to do with recruiting over people.
Now when you have a pretty full roster in terms of not many scholarships available and you need a player or two to bridge the next year and that can IMMEDIATELY help you even if they come from a lower conference, than the grad transfer market is ideal.
And what other choice do they have? You are acting like 4 and 5 star kids are readily available this late in the game, they aren't. And if you want to talk about 2018 kids, fine, except they do SJU no good until 2018.
Were 4 and 5 star kids available a few months back, a year ago for this class? Pressure is on the recruiter. He's recruited an 8th place team that didn't make the C tournament. And he got a raise.
I don't understand do you want to replay the last two years with a different staff and different players? You are making the case to fire the staff.
Which is fine but don't cloak in trying to make yourself sound reasonable with your arguments against 5th year transfers. Your all over the map. You say these kids are not worth going after because they are lower level, then when you are shot down on that argument you return to the idea that the team finished in 8th place as if we can do anything about what just happened. I don't know if you are familiar with reality but things that ALREADY HAPPENED cannot be changed no matter how much you complain about the fact they happened.
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Losing Slice didn't kill us? We have zero recruits
If we had 2017 recruits committed where would the scholarships for transfers come from?
You recruit over players, like big boy programs do
You fundamentally don't understand, 5th year transfers are not the same as traditional transfers nor should they be viewed that way.
2 years ago Louisville got an ENTIRE BACKCOURT from lower level grad transfers. Damion Lee from Drexel and Trey Lewis from Cleveland St. Louisville dude, Rick Pitino. John Gillon transferred to Syracuse for 1 season from Colorado St. and started immediately.
This has nothing to do with recruiting over people.
Now when you have a pretty full roster in terms of not many scholarships available and you need a player or two to bridge the next year and that can IMMEDIATELY help you even if they come from a lower conference, than the grad transfer market is ideal.
And what other choice do they have? You are acting like 4 and 5 star kids are readily available this late in the game, they aren't. And if you want to talk about 2018 kids, fine, except they do SJU no good until 2018.
Were 4 and 5 star kids available a few months back, a year ago for this class? Pressure is on the recruiter. He's recruited an 8th place team that didn't make the C tournament. And he got a raise.
It was year 2 of a complete rebuild. Anybody that actually has some sense would see that Matt has done all that has been asked of him up to this point. Slice without Matt wouldn't have gotten to the NCAA Tournament in year 2 as the only recruiter, that's a fact. They also wouldn't have made the tournament this season with both Slice and Matt. There's actually a foundation for the program to build around now. If the team still doesn't make the tournament after years 3 + 4 and strikes out on the 2018 class then it would be fair to question Matt and the staff's ability to bring in talent. But nobody would have done better than 8th place in year 2 of a complete rebuild at St. John's
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I would hope Mitch wants to go back to special assistant and they can hire a second recruiter/coach type person.
This is beyond absurd. We are hoping Richmond accepts a demotion I assume with full pay. So we can pay someone else to coach and recruit.
All of our guards excelled on offense and we shot lights out. Coincidence? Let him be a face
of the program and work with the guards. His heart isn't in it to be out recruiting like a full-time assistant. What's so absurd about keeping him and bringing in a guy like Rice?
If he gets credit for the offense then he deserves the blame for the lack of defense. Honestly I don't disagree with you guys. I hope Richmond stays under the current situation. I also want an experiment coach added to the team. I want to win. I don't care who is coaching.
But it really bothers me that Mullin gets such a pass. He should have hired someone 2 years ago.
He did hire somebody 2 years ago.... Slice. He just needs to be replaced. An experiment coach?. Wtf is that? Richmond would be better for us at a lower role. We need somebody that can both recruit and help with the coaching stuff. I still like a hire like Mike Rice. He's organized, well liked by his players in general spare past incidents, and has great work ethic. He also has a ton of tri-state recruiting connections. He can help both with coaching duties and recruiting. There are others as well, but Rice is just sitting there, likely won't find his redemption as a head coach any time soon, and I think could really offer a lot.
I like what Rice has done being fired from Rutgers. Unlike Bobby Knight, he seems to genuinely be sorry for how he treated people. No one here knows if he genuinely is, but I think it's pretty presumptuous of us to assume that most of his former players like him. Ad don't know that.
And to be clear I'm not arguing in favor of or against hiring Rice. IDK if he's a changed man.
My concern with this staff is in the amount of risk they are willing to entertain. Livingston, Brown and now Rice could represent a poor example of learning from your mistakes as an institution. They had better be damn sure that Mike Rice is a different person now.
Which is why I've said we should not be the first school to hire him. A miscalculation could devastate this program. There are others out there. No ?
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So Fordham96 breaks the news that Marcus is staying, and no one wants to discuss this? Incessant whining on end for days after the rumors that Marcus and Abs are leaving, now we have two positive developments within two days and crickets.
Baldi...always on point! ;D
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Why do folks keep taking the bait when Baldi goes into troll mode? And in re: to Matt he is always in troll mode.
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So Fordham96 breaks the news that Marcus is staying, and no one wants to discuss this? Incessant whining on end for days after the rumors that Marcus and Abs are leaving, now we have two positive developments within two days and crickets.
Baldi...always on point! ;D
Recognize
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Why do folks keep taking the bait when Baldi goes into troll mode? And in re: to Matt he is always in troll mode.
Troll mode? Do we have any recruits? Did we finish in 8th with his guys? Did he waste time and money recruiting a crossdressing thief that no one else would touch? Did he bring the drama to the staff causing a well respected recruiter to be jettisoned? And than have the balls to ask for a raise? You guys have some seriously low expectations. But hey, he's an alumn
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Isn't Rowsey from Marquette a transfer for a mid-tier D-I school? He is a pretty good player - no? I believe you are a big fan.
I have no idea if the kid from Green Bay is any good. But I don't want to write off anyone, especially senior grad transfers, because older more experienced/developed kids from mid-level schools have shown they can be contributors in bigger conferences.
You missed my point. Goredmen blasted Slice for Durand Johnson.
Well considering thats all he added what else could you blast him for? His suits?
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Isn't Rowsey from Marquette a transfer for a mid-tier D-I school? He is a pretty good player - no? I believe you are a big fan.
I have no idea if the kid from Green Bay is any good. But I don't want to write off anyone, especially senior grad transfers, because older more experienced/developed kids from mid-level schools have shown they can be contributors in bigger conferences.
You missed my point. Goredmen blasted Slice for Durand Johnson.
Well considering thats all he added what else could you blast him for? His suits?
"But it was year 1 of a rebuild".
Actually, Durand was the leading scorer on that team
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Isn't Rowsey from Marquette a transfer for a mid-tier D-I school? He is a pretty good player - no? I believe you are a big fan.
I have no idea if the kid from Green Bay is any good. But I don't want to write off anyone, especially senior grad transfers, because older more experienced/developed kids from mid-level schools have shown they can be contributors in bigger conferences.
You missed my point. Goredmen blasted Slice for Durand Johnson.
Well considering thats all he added what else could you blast him for? His suits?
"But it was year 1 of a rebuild".
Actually, Durand was the leading scorer on that team
With Slice: 8-24 (1-17)
Without Slice: 14-19 (7-11)
Apparently Slice has a -6 win differential on the team
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Isn't Rowsey from Marquette a transfer for a mid-tier D-I school? He is a pretty good player - no? I believe you are a big fan.
I have no idea if the kid from Green Bay is any good. But I don't want to write off anyone, especially senior grad transfers, because older more experienced/developed kids from mid-level schools have shown they can be contributors in bigger conferences.
You missed my point. Goredmen blasted Slice for Durand Johnson.
Well considering thats all he added what else could you blast him for? His suits?
"But it was year 1 of a rebuild".
Actually, Durand was the leading scorer on that team
With Slice: 8-24 (1-17)
Without Slice: 14-19 (7-11)
Apparently Slice has a -6 win differential on the team
0-32 without Slice
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Isn't Rowsey from Marquette a transfer for a mid-tier D-I school? He is a pretty good player - no? I believe you are a big fan.
I have no idea if the kid from Green Bay is any good. But I don't want to write off anyone, especially senior grad transfers, because older more experienced/developed kids from mid-level schools have shown they can be contributors in bigger conferences.
You missed my point. Goredmen blasted Slice for Durand Johnson.
Well considering thats all he added what else could you blast him for? His suits?
"But it was year 1 of a rebuild".
Actually, Durand was the leading scorer on that team
With Slice: 8-24 (1-17)
Without Slice: 14-19 (7-11)
Apparently Slice has a -6 win differential on the team
0-32 without Slice
Apology accepted
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Isn't Rowsey from Marquette a transfer for a mid-tier D-I school? He is a pretty good player - no? I believe you are a big fan.
I have no idea if the kid from Green Bay is any good. But I don't want to write off anyone, especially senior grad transfers, because older more experienced/developed kids from mid-level schools have shown they can be contributors in bigger conferences.
You missed my point. Goredmen blasted Slice for Durand Johnson.
Well considering thats all he added what else could you blast him for? His suits?
"But it was year 1 of a rebuild".
Actually, Durand was the leading scorer on that team
With Slice: 8-24 (1-17)
Without Slice: 14-19 (7-11)
Apparently Slice has a -6 win differential on the team
0-32 without Slice
Apology accepted
Do I get a raise too?
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Isn't Rowsey from Marquette a transfer for a mid-tier D-I school? He is a pretty good player - no? I believe you are a big fan.
I have no idea if the kid from Green Bay is any good. But I don't want to write off anyone, especially senior grad transfers, because older more experienced/developed kids from mid-level schools have shown they can be contributors in bigger conferences.
You missed my point. Goredmen blasted Slice for Durand Johnson.
Well considering thats all he added what else could you blast him for? His suits?
"But it was year 1 of a rebuild".
Actually, Durand was the leading scorer on that team
With Slice: 8-24 (1-17)
Without Slice: 14-19 (7-11)
Apparently Slice has a -6 win differential on the team
0-32 without Slice
Apology accepted
Do I get a raise too?
The free market is a beautiful thing
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Isn't Rowsey from Marquette a transfer for a mid-tier D-I school? He is a pretty good player - no? I believe you are a big fan.
I have no idea if the kid from Green Bay is any good. But I don't want to write off anyone, especially senior grad transfers, because older more experienced/developed kids from mid-level schools have shown they can be contributors in bigger conferences.
You missed my point. Goredmen blasted Slice for Durand Johnson.
Well considering thats all he added what else could you blast him for? His suits?
"But it was year 1 of a rebuild".
Actually, Durand was the leading scorer on that team
With Slice: 8-24 (1-17)
Without Slice: 14-19 (7-11)
Apparently Slice has a -6 win differential on the team
0-32 without Slice
Apology accepted
Do I get a raise too?
The free market is a beautiful thing
Apparently
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Matt could bring in Michael Porter and Baldi would call it a bad move "because one and done guys are toxic".
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Knowing nothing about the details, Slice looks pretty weak for leaving after a year.
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Knowing nothing about the details, Slice looks pretty weak for leaving after a year.
If he left he wouldn't still be getting paid. He was forced out
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Terrance Ferguson is in China somewhere
Thon Maker is on the Bucks
Rawle Alkins is on Arizona
Mustapha Heron is on Auburn
but hey we got a year of Durand Johnson.
SLICE BABY
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Terrance Ferguson is in China somewhere
Thon Maker is on the Bucks
Rawle Alkins is on Arizona
Mustapha Heron is on Auburn
but hey we got a year of Durand Johnson.
SLICE BABY
But we got Ahmed! Final 4 bound next year baby
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Terrance Ferguson is in China somewhere
Thon Maker is on the Bucks
Rawle Alkins is on Arizona
Mustapha Heron is on Auburn
but hey we got a year of Durand Johnson.
SLICE BABY
But we got Ahmed! Final 4 bound next year baby
Just for the record, let's say Matt never left Iowa State and Slice joined Mullin from the start and was still here. What would our record have been this season in year 2? What do you think the ceiling would have been for next season, year 3?
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Terrance Ferguson is in China somewhere
Thon Maker is on the Bucks
Rawle Alkins is on Arizona
Mustapha Heron is on Auburn
but hey we got a year of Durand Johnson.
SLICE BABY
But we got Ahmed! Final 4 bound next year baby
Just for the record, let's say Matt never left Iowa State and Slice joined Mullin from the start and was still here. What would our record have been this season in year 2? What do you think the ceiling would have been for next season, year 3?
On the court, probably the same
On the recruiting trail, I don't think Slice would hustle as much as Matt.
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I like Ahmed. And I like Owens, Ponds and Lovett too. Pretty sure Matt was the guy who recruited all of those guys, but maybe I'm wrong. Jury is still out on Freudenberg.
Terrance Ferguson is in China somewhere
Thon Maker is on the Bucks
Rawle Alkins is on Arizona
Mustapha Heron is on Auburn
but hey we got a year of Durand Johnson.
SLICE BABY
But we got Ahmed! Final 4 bound next year baby
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I'm a fan of whoever got ponds and Lovett here. Whoever that guy is, be it mullin, slice, Matt, whoever, should have a job for this team. Those kids got 7 wins in a solid big east with little help as freshman. Durand Johnson definitely not inpresssive, not sure why people keep bringing him up. But he was never meant to be more than a bridge to this year and he did an admirable job. I think jury is still out on Ahmed. Clearly he's not an efficient player, but hopefully he can get coached up and come in under control next year.
Definitely need a big man next year,but I don't see a Delgado or Patton walking through the door. Also need some sort of identity on defense.
Was mike rice good when he was coaching Rutgers? Putting aside the whole abuse thing, I remember those teams being pretty bad. Was he recruiting well or coaching them up?
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Why do folks keep taking the bait when Baldi goes into troll mode? And in re: to Matt he is always in troll mode.
Troll mode? Do we have any recruits? Did we finish in 8th with his guys? Did he waste time and money recruiting a crossdressing thief that no one else would touch? Did he bring the drama to the staff causing a well respected recruiter to be jettisoned? And than have the balls to ask for a raise? You guys have some seriously low expectations. But hey, he's an alumn
We were better than Iona in year two of starting from scratch. That's not too shabby.
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Terrance Ferguson is in China somewhere
Thon Maker is on the Bucks
Rawle Alkins is on Arizona
Mustapha Heron is on Auburn
but hey we got a year of Durand Johnson.
SLICE BABY
But we got Ahmed! Final 4 bound next year baby
Just for the record, let's say Matt never left Iowa State and Slice joined Mullin from the start and was still here. What would our record have been this season in year 2? What do you think the ceiling would have been for next season, year 3?
On the court, probably the same
On the recruiting trail, I don't think Slice would hustle as much as Matt.
I think that's fair and what most reasonable people would say. But Baldi likes to bash Matt and how we didn't make the tournament this year and won't be a final 4 team next year as if Slice would have been doing better, which he wouldn't have been
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I'm a fan of whoever got ponds and Lovett here. Whoever that guy is, be it mullin, slice, Matt, whoever, should have a job for this team. Those kids got 7 wins in a solid big east with little help as freshman. Durand Johnson definitely not inpresssive, not sure why people keep bringing him up. But he was never meant to be more than a bridge to this year and he did an admirable job. I think jury is still out on Ahmed. Clearly he's not an efficient player, but hopefully he can get coached up and come in under control next year.
Definitely need a big man next year,but I don't see a Delgado or Patton walking through the door. Also need some sort of identity on defense.
Was mike rice good when he was coaching Rutgers? Putting aside the whole abuse thing, I remember those teams being pretty bad. Was he recruiting well or coaching them up?
They didn't score the ball, but they played defense against everyone. Including us. Not an easy game in 2010/2011 when we played Rutgers.
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People keep bringing up Durand Johnson because thats the ONLY player in Slice's short time with us that he was able to land us.
How do we know? Because Matt A made it a point to tell Brazillier to credit him for every commitment we got.
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People keep bringing up Durand Johnson because thats the ONLY player in Slice's short time with us that he was able to land us.
How do we know? Because Matt A made it a point to tell Brazillier to credit him for every commitment we got.
Bingo
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People keep bringing up Durand Johnson because thats the ONLY player in Slice's short time with us that he was able to land us.
How do we know? Because Matt A made it a point to tell Brazillier to credit him for every commitment we got.
A little harsh but that's the word on the street.
Slice is an older vet coach, Matt is the Ben Howland Slice, That Slice was really good, lets see if Matt can be at that level one of these days. I don't think Slice would be on the road as much as Matt is now if he were the primary recruiter.
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People keep bringing up Durand Johnson because thats the ONLY player in Slice's short time with us that he was able to land us.
How do we know? Because Matt A made it a point to tell Brazillier to credit him for every commitment we got.
If that's all he brought in, then why even talk about the guy? He basically did nothing
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People keep bringing up Durand Johnson because thats the ONLY player in Slice's short time with us that he was able to land us.
How do we know? Because Matt A made it a point to tell Brazillier to credit him for every commitment we got.
If that's all he brought in, then why even talk about the guy? He basically did nothing
Who really knows what he did, he was barely on the job a year. Yes he lost out on Herron, Maker, and Ferguson but with so little time to recruit them for SJU. My gut feeling is at some point he just got fed up and went through the motions.
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People keep bringing up Durand Johnson because thats the ONLY player in Slice's short time with us that he was able to land us.
How do we know? Because Matt A made it a point to tell Brazillier to credit him for every commitment we got.
If that's all he brought in, then why even talk about the guy? He basically did nothing
Who really knows what he did, he was barely on the job a year. Yes he lost out on Herron, Maker, and Ferguson but with so little time to recruit them for SJU. My gut feeling is at some point he just got fed up and went through the motions.
fed up with what?
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People keep bringing up Durand Johnson because thats the ONLY player in Slice's short time with us that he was able to land us.
How do we know? Because Matt A made it a point to tell Brazillier to credit him for every commitment we got.
If that's all he brought in, then why even talk about the guy? He basically did nothing
Who really knows what he did, he was barely on the job a year. Yes he lost out on Herron, Maker, and Ferguson but with so little time to recruit them for SJU. My gut feeling is at some point he just got fed up and went through the motions.
fed up with what?
pasta
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Why do folks keep taking the bait when Baldi goes into troll mode? And in re: to Matt he is always in troll mode.
Troll mode? Do we have any recruits? Did we finish in 8th with his guys? Did he waste time and money recruiting a crossdressing thief that no one else would touch? Did he bring the drama to the staff causing a well respected recruiter to be jettisoned? And than have the balls to ask for a raise? You guys have some seriously low expectations. But hey, he's an alumn
We were better than Iona in year two of starting from scratch. That's not too shabby.
St Johns wasn't better than New Yorks team
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People keep bringing up Durand Johnson because thats the ONLY player in Slice's short time with us that he was able to land us.
How do we know? Because Matt A made it a point to tell Brazillier to credit him for every commitment we got.
If that's all he brought in, then why even talk about the guy? He basically did nothing
Who really knows what he did, he was barely on the job a year. Yes he lost out on Herron, Maker, and Ferguson but with so little time to recruit them for SJU. My gut feeling is at some point he just got fed up and went through the motions.
Maker and Ferguson never ended up going to college but the loss of Heron still sticks in my craw. Haven't read the thread where apparently there is a mention of a transfer from Green Bay but if it is Aaron Rodgers I'll take him. I'm sure he could quarterback our team. :)
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For the record I thought Durand Johnson was a good 1 year stop gap player. He helped us from being completely non competitive.
This team was left for dead with complete imbalance. It required a lot of hustle in short term but with long term planning in mind. I like the blueprint. SJU will be a force in conference next year.
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Over/under in that game would have been 200
Why do folks keep taking the bait when Baldi goes into troll mode? And in re: to Matt he is always in troll mode.
Troll mode? Do we have any recruits? Did we finish in 8th with his guys? Did he waste time and money recruiting a crossdressing thief that no one else would touch? Did he bring the drama to the staff causing a well respected recruiter to be jettisoned? And than have the balls to ask for a raise? You guys have some seriously low expectations. But hey, he's an alumn
We were better than Iona in year two of starting from scratch. That's not too shabby.
St Johns wasn't better than New Yorks team
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People keep bringing up Durand Johnson because thats the ONLY player in Slice's short time with us that he was able to land us.
How do we know? Because Matt A made it a point to tell Brazillier to credit him for every commitment we got.
If that's all he brought in, then why even talk about the guy? He basically did nothing
Who really knows what he did, he was barely on the job a year. Yes he lost out on Herron, Maker, and Ferguson but with so little time to recruit them for SJU. My gut feeling is at some point he just got fed up and went through the motions.
fed up with what?
With whom.
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Terrance Ferguson is in China somewhere
Thon Maker is on the Bucks
Rawle Alkins is on Arizona
Mustapha Heron is on Auburn
but hey we got a year of Durand Johnson.
SLICE BABY
The best recruiting success of Slice was in Pittsburgh. He was able to get the 4 stars players from NY (Shamorie Ponds rated type).
And you are criticizing him because he didn´t get any of the 5 stars players that we were recruiting. Considering that last season we won 1 Big East game that´s a little unfair.
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People keep bringing up Durand Johnson because thats the ONLY player in Slice's short time with us that he was able to land us.
How do we know? Because Matt A made it a point to tell Brazillier to credit him for every commitment we got.
If that's all he brought in, then why even talk about the guy? He basically did nothing
Who really knows what he did, he was barely on the job a year. Yes he lost out on Herron, Maker, and Ferguson but with so little time to recruit them for SJU. My gut feeling is at some point he just got fed up and went through the motions.
fed up with what?
With whom.
Matt and his limited roll
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Will Wade makes his first hire after Matt stays:
http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_c8b29fb4-13d4-11e7-8dbb-53188c051e03.html
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Matt just did a Q & A on Twitter. The main takeaway is that he's solely focused on adding a big for the upcoming season and says we should expect one that should help. Make of that what you will
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Matt just did a Q & A on Twitter. The main takeaway is that he's solely focused on adding a big for the upcoming season and says we should expect one that should help. Make of that what you will
He did a good job answering
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Matt just did a Q & A on Twitter. The main takeaway is that he's solely focused on adding a big for the upcoming season and says we should expect one that should help. Make of that what you will
He did a good job answering
I saw Marco Balidi fire off a question on when the guards will play D.
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Say what you want but Matt hustles as much as anyone and engages the fan base as much as any staff member we have ever had.
Now it's time to deliver both on and off the court...
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Terrance Ferguson is in China somewhere
Thon Maker is on the Bucks
Rawle Alkins is on Arizona
Mustapha Heron is on Auburn
but hey we got a year of Durand Johnson.
SLICE BABY
The best recruiting success of Slice was in Pittsburgh. He was able to get the 4 stars players from NY (Shamorie Ponds rated type).
And you are criticizing him because he didn´t get any of the 5 stars players that we were recruiting. Considering that last season we won 1 Big East game that´s a little unfair.
Maybe he shouldn't be criticized for it, but then what did he do here?
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Terrance Ferguson is in China somewhere
Thon Maker is on the Bucks
Rawle Alkins is on Arizona
Mustapha Heron is on Auburn
but hey we got a year of Durand Johnson.
SLICE BABY
The best recruiting success of Slice was in Pittsburgh. He was able to get the 4 stars players from NY (Shamorie Ponds rated type).
And you are criticizing him because he didn´t get any of the 5 stars players that we were recruiting. Considering that last season we won 1 Big East game that´s a little unfair.
Maybe he shouldn't be criticized for it, but then what did he do here?
Think he got Durand Johnson who was our leading scorer.
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Terrance Ferguson is in China somewhere
Thon Maker is on the Bucks
Rawle Alkins is on Arizona
Mustapha Heron is on Auburn
but hey we got a year of Durand Johnson.
SLICE BABY
The best recruiting success of Slice was in Pittsburgh. He was able to get the 4 stars players from NY (Shamorie Ponds rated type).
And you are criticizing him because he didn´t get any of the 5 stars players that we were recruiting. Considering that last season we won 1 Big East game that´s a little unfair.
Maybe he shouldn't be criticized for it, but then what did he do here?
Frankly, he wasn't here long enough to do anything. Maybe, someone can correct me, but there was dissension early or midway through the season and his hands were tied. I don't think he should be criticized due to the circumstances and what player(s) he did or didn't bring to the team.
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Terrance Ferguson is in China somewhere
Thon Maker is on the Bucks
Rawle Alkins is on Arizona
Mustapha Heron is on Auburn
but hey we got a year of Durand Johnson.
SLICE BABY
The best recruiting success of Slice was in Pittsburgh. He was able to get the 4 stars players from NY (Shamorie Ponds rated type).
And you are criticizing him because he didn´t get any of the 5 stars players that we were recruiting. Considering that last season we won 1 Big East game that´s a little unfair.
Maybe he shouldn't be criticized for it, but then what did he do here?
Think he got Durand Johnson who was our leading scorer.
On a team that team that won eight games. That's about $50,000 per win.
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Terrance Ferguson is in China somewhere
Thon Maker is on the Bucks
Rawle Alkins is on Arizona
Mustapha Heron is on Auburn
but hey we got a year of Durand Johnson.
SLICE BABY
The best recruiting success of Slice was in Pittsburgh. He was able to get the 4 stars players from NY (Shamorie Ponds rated type).
And you are criticizing him because he didn´t get any of the 5 stars players that we were recruiting. Considering that last season we won 1 Big East game that´s a little unfair.
Maybe he shouldn't be criticized for it, but then what did he do here?
Think he got Durand Johnson who was our leading scorer.
On a team that team that won eight games. That's about $50,000 per win.
$50,000 sounds like a familiar number
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Matt in Florida making visits and offers.
Busy next couple of days. Be back on a plane soon to MY have an in-home tomorrow with Naz Reid and then Friday starts live weekend with UAA event in NYC.
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Matt in Florida making visits and offers.
Busy next couple of days. Be back on a plane soon to MY have an in-home tomorrow with Naz Reid and then Friday starts live weekend with UAA event in NYC.
And Mets Sunday night baseball ;)
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I would have liked to know if it´s going to be again Elite Camp.
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Matt in Florida making visits and offers.
Busy next couple of days. Be back on a plane soon to MY have an in-home tomorrow with Naz Reid and then Friday starts live weekend with UAA event in NYC.
And Mets Sunday night baseball ;)
I missed this one, be better if he was a Yankee fan. But hey SJU is in Queens, what do I know I went to school in the Bronx.
Florida then Arizona on this swing. Cheatham in-home yesterday in Phoenix and then an offer for 2018 Phoenix forward KJ Hymes:
Julius Kim @JKimElevate 2h
St. John's was in today to see 6'10" KJ Hymes'18 @HymesKj of @Hillcrest_Hoops, per a source. #sjubb
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I think we offered Hymes as early as the summer of last year.
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Not the right place for this but I wasn't sure where else to post. Is anyone hearing Mike Ride rumors? Saw a post on the other site and have been hearing about him on this site and in a few other conversations.
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You mean Mike Rice?
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As I noted in an earlier post I am still hearing a staff addition is in the works and Rice's name is very prominent in that rumor.
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Getting Rice in here along with another big will make this a solid off season.
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If Rice joins the staff does that block us getting Lewis and Antoine?
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You mean Mike Rice?
Lol yes obviously
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As I noted in an earlier post I am still hearing a staff addition is in the works and Rice's name is very prominent in that rumor.
Thanks Fordham
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Not if he is an assistant coach.
If Rice joins the staff does that block us getting Lewis and Antoine?
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Who would get the credit if Rice is successfully recruited and hired? Without Slice leaving, Rice could not join the team. How hard as Matt been recruiting him? Did Coach Mullin step in and handle this himself, or would this be a team effort? What is Rice rated? Can he bump our three or four stars player higher?
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If Rice joins the staff does that block us getting Lewis and Antoine?
I think the better question is does that help us get them. Obviously won't hurt but I wonder what the impact would be with some of his current players.
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Regardless, I still think Rice would be a very good choice as an assistant. Would bring a lot of coaching to the table, as well as local contacts.
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Regardless, I still think Rice would be a very good choice as an assistant. Would bring a lot of coaching to the table, as well as local contacts.
I agree and the price would be right.
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Still dont get the Rice thing.
Feel like he's untouchable after his scandal, thats the only thing that comes to mind when I think of him and likely to first thin thats going to come to mind to recruits and for people who don't know what he did that'll be the first thing that shows up on a google search.
I believe he deserves a second chance but why are we the ones taking the risk and the 1st to give it to him?
Shouldn't he be an assistant coach at some small school that won't make a blip on the the national radar? Maybe go be an assistant for Manhattan or Iona for a year or 2 and prove he's a "changed man"
If the move is solely to be in better shape with the kids he coaches in HS...i dont think its worth the risk of setting our team back again because Mike Rice decided to throw basketball at the players again
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Hire Mike Rice
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Still dont get the Rice thing.
Feel like he's untouchable after his scandal, thats the only thing that comes to mind when I think of him and likely to first thin thats going to come to mind to recruits and for people who don't know what he did that'll be the first thing that shows up on a google search.
I believe he deserves a second chance but why are we the ones taking the risk and the 1st to give it to him?
Shouldn't he be an assistant coach at some small school that won't make a blip on the the national radar? Maybe go be an assistant for Manhattan or Iona for a year or 2 and prove he's a "changed man"
If the move is solely to be in better shape with the kids he coaches in HS...i dont think its worth the risk of setting our team back again because Mike Rice decided to throw basketball at the players again
He's not untouchable. That would be some double standard. People change. It appears he has.
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Hire Mike Rice
+1 I hope we do it ASAP (unless, they're waiting to do it in August).
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Hire Mike Rice
+1 I hope we do it ASAP (unless, they're waiting to do it in August).
Perhaps best chance for him to recruit is in current role ;)
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Hire Mike Rice
Hearing more and more this is likely to happen.
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People could put down Rice all they want. But , let's face the facts, need someone w years of coaching exp. on the staff. Will also help recruit NJ, which we haven't had luck w and won't demand a lot of money. He went to the Lucas camp, isn't an idiot , and knows his future depends on him behaving.
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Hire Mike Rice
Hearing more and more this is likely to happen.
I'm assuming if so, then it'll be done after the spring and summer circuit.
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Hire Mike Rice
Hearing more and more this is likely to happen.
Richmond moving back into special assistant role or St. Jean departure ?
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Hire Mike Rice
Hearing more and more this is likely to happen.
I'm assuming if so, then it'll be done after the spring and summer circuit.
I don't have an eta on this but since next weekend is the only live weekend left in the spring before the July live periods my guess is they would want something in place by the time July Evaluation period arrives.
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Hire Mike Rice
Hearing more and more this is likely to happen.
I'm assuming if so, then it'll be done after the spring and summer circuit.
I don't have an eta on this but since next weekend is the only live weekend left in the spring before the July live periods my guess is they would want something in place by the time July Evaluation period arrives.
That would certainly suffice, IMO. Get 'er done!
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Hire Mike Rice
Hearing more and more this is likely to happen.
Great move. Hopefully it gets done
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Refresh my memory.... what big recruits did Rice bring to Rutgers? (Not sarcasm just don't remember)
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Refresh my memory.... what big recruits did Rice bring to Rutgers? (Not sarcasm just don't remember)
He brought in the class with Myles Mack and Kadeem jack
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Refresh my memory.... what big recruits did Rice bring to Rutgers? (Not sarcasm just don't remember)
He brought in the class with Myles Mack and Kadeem jack
He coaches a lot of good players at his current schools. I think that why people mention recruiting. I think he would help more with him gameolanning and x's and o's. His teams always played hard also.
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Is it time for a new Twitter Q and A???
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Matt A should be embarrassed to cash his paycheck. Instead of recruiting I think he's sitting in some movie theater . This guy is a zero as a recruiter. Nice guy but should find another profession. Please don't get your hopes for 18.
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I remember reading a post after Lavin was fired. A poster was talking to Keady and he told the poster how difficult it is to recruit for SJU. Of course Fun would argue if Lavin knew how to coach it would have been easier to recruit.
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I said this about a month ago. How does the outside world view the St. John's program? A non factor. Same as DePaul. But actually DePaul has won an NCAA tournament game in the 21st century. So ya, this is a hot mess
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I said this about a month ago. How does the outside world view the St. John's program? A non factor. Same as DePaul. But actually DePaul has won an NCAA tournament game in the 21st century. So ya, this is a hot mess
Depaul hired a high school coach today as an assistant so they could lock doen top 50 players in 2017 and 2019, btw
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I said this about a month ago. How does the outside world view the St. John's program? A non factor. Same as DePaul. But actually DePaul has won an NCAA tournament game in the 21st century. So ya, this is a hot mess
Depaul hired a high school coach today as an assistant so they could lock doen top 50 players in 2017 and 2019, btw
Paging Mike Rice....
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I don't agree with that all. We aren't anywhere near that far down at this point.
I'm as disappointed as everyone we didn't beef up the front court some. I still like our top 8; I love our back court. There are positives for next year.
Also, the Keady-comment that it is "hard" to recruit at St. John's is nonsense. Compared to who - Kentucky, Duke? Lavin got plenty of talent his first 3 years.
I was a big fan of the Slice here but to say that we would be recruiting better if he were here isn't exactly fair, either. By all accounts, he struck out on the kids he was pursuing year 1. And, from what I've heard, Slice didn't exactly handle the situation well for sure. Maybe he would have been productive, but I'm pretty content with our guys. I think we will be much improved next year.
I said this about a month ago. How does the outside world view the St. John's program? A non factor. Same as DePaul. But actually DePaul has won an NCAA tournament game in the 21st century. So ya, this is a hot mess
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Utter nonsense. We've recruited well overall. But if we are on the topic of being "embarassed" to cash checks, your boy Lavin should be first in line.
Matt A should be embarrassed to cash his paycheck. Instead of recruiting I think he's sitting in some movie theater . This guy is a zero as a recruiter. Nice guy but should find another profession. Please don't get your hopes for 18.
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Matt A should be embarrassed to cash his paycheck. Instead of recruiting I think he's sitting in some movie theater . This guy is a zero as a recruiter. Nice guy but should find another profession. Please don't get your hopes for 18.
And I think you are a dipshit.
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The trolls and pseudofans on this site are getting tiring. Let's see the finished roster for next season before we bury our recruiters and staff in general.
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I said this about a month ago. How does the outside world view the St. John's program? A non factor. Same as DePaul. But actually DePaul has won an NCAA tournament game in the 21st century. So ya, this is a hot mess
Depaul hired a high school coach today as an assistant so they could lock doen top 50 players in 2017 and 2019, btw
They hired nationally ranked, La Lumiere's head coach, Shane Heirman. Heirman will replace assistant Patrick Sellers.
Supposedly, they're also gonna hire "Meanstreets" coach (Chicago-based AAU team), Tim Anderson, as well. Anderson would replace Billy Garrett, Sr., who also is probably on his way out the door.
The trolls and pseudofans on this site are getting tiring. Let's see the finished roster for next season before we bury our recruiters and staff in general.
I personally don't believe our recruiting hiearchy is properly structured or it doesn't seems properly organized for long-term success. We need another shark out there. Get Rice on the horn ASAP! You're not only getting a valuable recruiter, but someone who will also be an asset on the sidelines. Kill two birds with one stone.
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I said this about a month ago. How does the outside world view the St. John's program? A non factor. Same as DePaul. But actually DePaul has won an NCAA tournament game in the 21st century. So ya, this is a hot mess
Depaul hired a high school coach today as an assistant so they could lock doen top 50 players in 2017 and 2019, btw
They hired nationally ranked, La Lumiere's head coach, Shane Heirman. Heirman will replace assistant Patrick Sellers.
Supposedly, they're also gonna hire "Meanstreets" coach (Chicago-based AAU team), Tim Anderson, as well. Anderson would replace Billy Garrett, Sr., who also is probably on his way out the door.
The trolls and pseudofans on this site are getting tiring. Let's see the finished roster for next season before we bury our recruiters and staff in general.
I personally don't believe our recruiting hiearchy is properly structured or it doesn't seems properly organized for long-term success. We need another shark out there. Get Rice on the horn ASAP! You're not only getting a valuable recruiter, but someone who will also be an asset on the sidelines. Kill two birds with one stone.
Rice is a shark, a good coach and won't take any shit either... it's time to get him or another on board.
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I said this about a month ago. How does the outside world view the St. John's program? A non factor. Same as DePaul. But actually DePaul has won an NCAA tournament game in the 21st century. So ya, this is a hot mess
Depaul hired a high school coach today as an assistant so they could lock doen top 50 players in 2017 and 2019, btw
They hired nationally ranked, La Lumiere's head coach, Shane Heirman. Heirman will replace assistant Patrick Sellers.
Supposedly, they're also gonna hire "Meanstreets" coach (Chicago-based AAU team), Tim Anderson, as well. Anderson would replace Billy Garrett, Sr., who also is probably on his way out the door.
The trolls and pseudofans on this site are getting tiring. Let's see the finished roster for next season before we bury our recruiters and staff in general.
I personally don't believe our recruiting hiearchy is properly structured or it doesn't seems properly organized for long-term success. We need another shark out there. Get Rice on the horn ASAP! You're not only getting a valuable recruiter, but someone who will also be an asset on the sidelines. Kill two birds with one stone.
This is what I don't like about this organization. We need another coach. Go get one. Get it done. If it's Rice ok get him. If not, go get someone else. The longer they wait the greater chance someone else swoops in, as we just saw with Kante, the supposed lock of all locks.
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Utter nonsense. We've recruited well overall. But if we are on the topic of being "embarassed" to cash checks, your boy Lavin should be first in line.
Matt A should be embarrassed to cash his paycheck. Instead of recruiting I think he's sitting in some movie theater . This guy is a zero as a recruiter. Nice guy but should find another profession. Please don't get your hopes for 18.
You're a Lavin fan? ;D Stop...
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I remember reading a post after Lavin was fired. A poster was talking to Keady and he told the poster how difficult it is to recruit for SJU. Of course Fun would argue if Lavin knew how to coach it would have been easier to recruit.
If he knew how to coach and wasn't lazy, he would probably still be here. Don't doubt it's difficult to recruit for SJU.
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Is Rice even a reality? Who is leaving? We do need another recruiter, preferably one who is an experience coach who could help with the defense. Rice does fit that bill but I'm concerned how others would use his past against us when going after the same recruits.
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Is Rice even a reality? Who is leaving? We do need another recruiter, preferably one who is an experience coach who could help with the defense. Rice does fit that bill but I'm concerned how others would use his past against us when going after the same recruits.
We're not getting anybody anyway so worth the risk.
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Rice has exp in coaching ,recruiting , and won't be asking for a lot of money. But, We are St. John's, so I doubt we will add him.
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Rice has exp in coaching ,recruiting , and won't be asking for a lot of money. But, We are St. John's, so I doubt we will add him.
Not qualified as his has no relationship with Mullin. I am hearing Terrence Mullin or Chris Mullin's third grade best friend Joe Devolla are the two most likely candidates.
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Rice has exp in coaching ,recruiting , and won't be asking for a lot of money. But, We are St. John's, so I doubt we will add him.
Not qualified as his has no relationship with Mullin. I am hearing Terrence Mullin or Chris Mullin's third grade best friend Joe Devolla are the two most likely candidates.
Hope it ain't crazy Joe Devolla or I won't be able to attend any games next season. ;D
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Rice has exp in coaching ,recruiting , and won't be asking for a lot of money. But, We are St. John's, so I doubt we will add him.
Not qualified as his has no relationship with Mullin. I am hearing Terrence Mullin or Chris Mullin's third grade best friend Joe Devolla are the two most likely candidates.
Hope it ain't crazy Joe Devolla or I won't be able to attend any games next season. ;D
One and the same.
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As much as it sucks to be recruiting this poorly, it's nice that it's no longer taboo to question Matt A as a recruiter. A few short months ago he was a recruiting prodigy not to be criticized. We need to get someone in here who can land players, and Matt hasn't shown the ability to do that.
Quite honestly, it should not have been a difficult task to grab a 2-3 star PF/C to come start next to Ponds and LoVett, play in a top 3 conference, with a Hall of Fame head coach. And it looks like we may strike out.
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As much as it sucks to be recruiting this poorly, it's nice that it's no longer taboo to question Matt A as a recruiter. A few short months ago he was a recruiting prodigy not to be criticized. We need to get someone in here who can land players, and Matt hasn't shown the ability to do that.
Quite honestly, it should not have been a difficult task to grab a 2-3 star PF/C to come start next to Ponds and LoVett, play in a top 3 conference, with a Hall of Fame head coach. And it looks like we may strike out.
I mean it's pretty easy to see why we are striking out, IMO. We aren't a projected NCAA team, and we also dont have starter's minutes to promise. That's a bad combination when "desperate" recruiting bc likely other desperates will have one or the other.
We all know Clark and Ahmed will see a bunch of time at the 4 and Owens at the 5, and we still have Yakwe who we are hoping plays well. We are offering minutes as a 4th big or 9th man. Not that attractive.
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As much as it sucks to be recruiting this poorly, it's nice that it's no longer taboo to question Matt A as a recruiter.
Ponds Simon Lovett Clark Ahmed Yakwe Owens = "recruiting this poorly." Shut up.
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Plus 9-fing million.
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As much as it sucks to be recruiting this poorly, it's nice that it's no longer taboo to question Matt A as a recruiter.
Ponds Simon Lovett Clark Ahmed Yakwe Owens = "recruiting this poorly." Shut up.
You're right we're in great shape. NCAA's here we come. Who did we land out of our frontcourt targets in 2017?
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Matt Abdelmassih
One 🚪 shuts and another opens. Chance favors the aggressor #life
Something? Nothing? Hmm
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Matt Abdelmassih
One 🚪 shuts and another opens. Chance favors the aggressor #life
Something? Nothing? Hmm
Lately it's been nothing.
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He posted that chance quote last month too.
He also posted "you can expect a big that will help"
At least he was vague enough to not say what year
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I have tried to stay positive but this really baffles me. How do we expect to land anyone when we have 1 guy recruiting everyone? How has another coach to help out not been hired? What on earth are they waiting for? They are going to waste the talent of this team because of no complimentary pieces. Very frustrating
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As much as it sucks to be recruiting this poorly, it's nice that it's no longer taboo to question Matt A as a recruiter.
Ponds Simon Lovett Clark Ahmed Yakwe Owens = "recruiting this poorly." Shut up.
You're right we're in great shape. NCAA's here we come. Who did we land out of our frontcourt targets in 2017?
I am not happy with the front court situation, but we have a really impressive core. It's probably the best in almost 20 years for us. It'd be a shame to waste it with such a glaring hole down low. We don't even need a star...just someone that can hold his ground.
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As much as it sucks to be recruiting this poorly, it's nice that it's no longer taboo to question Matt A as a recruiter.
Ponds Simon Lovett Clark Ahmed Yakwe Owens = "recruiting this poorly." Shut up.
You're right we're in great shape. NCAA's here we come. Who did we land out of our frontcourt targets in 2017?
I am not happy with the front court situation, but we have a really impressive core. It's probably the best in almost 20 years for us. It'd be a shame to waste it with such a glaring hole down low. We don't even need a star...just someone that can hold his ground.
I like our core too. My only point was it was a complete failure on the part of our lead recruiter to be unable to land even a 2 star rebounding power forward to help our core group. If you want to keep patting him on the back for assisting in bringing in our core group, fine. But as I said, recruiting a rebounding PF to play with Ponds and Lovett in a high major conference for Chris Mullin should have been a very easy thing to do. Especially for a recruiter who is apparently not "recruiting this poorly"
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As much as it sucks to be recruiting this poorly, it's nice that it's no longer taboo to question Matt A as a recruiter.
Ponds Simon Lovett Clark Ahmed Yakwe Owens = "recruiting this poorly." Shut up.
You're right we're in great shape. NCAA's here we come. Who did we land out of our frontcourt targets in 2017?
I am not happy with the front court situation, but we have a really impressive core. It's probably the best in almost 20 years for us. It'd be a shame to waste it with such a glaring hole down low. We don't even need a star...just someone that can hold his ground.
I like our core too. My only point was it was a complete failure on the part of our lead recruiter to be unable to land even a 2 star rebounding power forward to help our core group. If you want to keep patting him on the back for assisting in bringing in our core group, fine. But as I said, recruiting a rebounding PF to play with Ponds and Lovett in a high major conference for Chris Mullin should have been a very easy thing to do. Especially for a recruiter who is apparently not "recruiting this poorly"
How many two star recruits would he have to bring in to make you happy. Just the one or do you want a bunch.
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As much as it sucks to be recruiting this poorly, it's nice that it's no longer taboo to question Matt A as a recruiter.
Ponds Simon Lovett Clark Ahmed Yakwe Owens = "recruiting this poorly." Shut up.
You're right we're in great shape. NCAA's here we come. Who did we land out of our frontcourt targets in 2017?
I am not happy with the front court situation, but we have a really impressive core. It's probably the best in almost 20 years for us. It'd be a shame to waste it with such a glaring hole down low. We don't even need a star...just someone that can hold his ground.
This is the probably the most sensible opinion to have. I think we have a very nice team coming back and could be a bubble team if we gel quickly but yes we seem to be one capable big body away from having a very solid 1-9. I hope we will fill this need because this teams top 8 has a lot of talent and with no freshman in the mix this is a team that has some experience as well.
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As much as it sucks to be recruiting this poorly, it's nice that it's no longer taboo to question Matt A as a recruiter.
Ponds Simon Lovett Clark Ahmed Yakwe Owens = "recruiting this poorly." Shut up.
You're right we're in great shape. NCAA's here we come. Who did we land out of our frontcourt targets in 2017?
I am not happy with the front court situation, but we have a really impressive core. It's probably the best in almost 20 years for us. It'd be a shame to waste it with such a glaring hole down low. We don't even need a star...just someone that can hold his ground.
What he said!
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As much as it sucks to be recruiting this poorly, it's nice that it's no longer taboo to question Matt A as a recruiter.
Ponds Simon Lovett Clark Ahmed Yakwe Owens = "recruiting this poorly." Shut up.
You're right we're in great shape. NCAA's here we come. Who did we land out of our frontcourt targets in 2017?
I am not happy with the front court situation, but we have a really impressive core. It's probably the best in almost 20 years for us. It'd be a shame to waste it with such a glaring hole down low. We don't even need a star...just someone that can hold his ground.
I like our core too. My only point was it was a complete failure on the part of our lead recruiter to be unable to land even a 2 star rebounding power forward to help our core group. If you want to keep patting him on the back for assisting in bringing in our core group, fine. But as I said, recruiting a rebounding PF to play with Ponds and Lovett in a high major conference for Chris Mullin should have been a very easy thing to do. Especially for a recruiter who is apparently not "recruiting this poorly"
How many two star recruits would he have to bring in to make you happy. Just the one or do you want a bunch.
I'd settle for a frontcourt player who averages more than three and a half rebounds. I guess my expectations are sky high
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Only disagreement I have is that while talent level is better than it has been it is predominantly guards and wings which is going to put us at a disadvantage against some teams where we will just have very little chance to win.
Also core talent will become significantly weaker the next year when Lovett and Ahmed leave. It is not like we are set up for multiple years. Basically need to make tourney next year which is far from a def.
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Only disagreement I have is that while talent level is better than it has been it is predominantly guards and wings which is going to put us at a disadvantage against some teams where we will just have very little chance to win.
Also core talent will become significantly weaker the next year when Lovett and Ahmed leave. It is not like we are set up for multiple years. Basically need to make tourney next year which is far from a def.
+1
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Abs is a guest on this week's Zags and Josh Newman's podcast linked below-
http://vsporto.com/episode/21440/the-4-quarters-podcast-early-entry-players-at-nba-draft-combine-analysis-and-national-recruiting-update/
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Only disagreement I have is that while talent level is better than it has been it is predominantly guards and wings which is going to put us at a disadvantage against some teams where we will just have very little chance to win.
Also core talent will become significantly weaker the next year when Lovett and Ahmed leave. It is not like we are set up for multiple years. Basically need to make tourney next year which is far from a def.
Let's hope Owens and Clark don't do the Grad transfer thing as well.
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
They also had tough guys on that team. Grant, Jessie, Artest, Postell, Glover were all very physical and did the dirty work on the boards. This team isn't nearly as physically tough. Owens and Clark will need help.
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
Get in Delorean and bring Grant back and we make the tourney. Also forgetting 6-7 Artest was built like brick $hit house and Postell could jump and was tough kid.
Also as good as backcourt might be next year Bootsy and Barkley were better.
Terrible comparison.
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
They also had tough guys on that team. Grant, Jessie, Artest, Postell, Glover were all very physical and did the dirty work on the boards. This team isn't nearly as physically tough. Owens and Clark will need help.
Glover didn't play with Grant or Artest, but I get you drift. You also forgot to add Thornton into that equation.
For the most part, that particular team was not only talented, but they were also blue-collar players. They did all the "little things" that mattered. They also played smartly.
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
They also had two first round NBA forwards, a first round PG, and Bootsy. Artest was 6'7 260 and probably the strongest kid in the country. Postell was the best offensive rebounder from the three I've ever seen at St. John's by a mile as well.
You can win with a small team if you have nasty forwards or if you dominate the on both sides of the perimeter game. We don't have a dominant defense and I would not classify Ahmed as that type of forward. Perhaps Simon can be that guy in time, but I doubt it's next season.
Jarvis wasn't a good X's and O's coach, but he did make sure his bigs were strong and bulky, that four guys hit the glass hard on both ends, played tough defense, and could all catch the ball. That really goes a long way.
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
They also had two first round NBA forwards, a first round PG, and Bootsy. Artest was 6'7 260 and probably the strongest kid in the country. Postell was the best offensive rebounder from the three I've ever seen at St. John's by a mile as well.
You can win with a small team if you have nasty forwards or if you dominate the on both sides of the perimeter game. We don't have a dominant defense and I would not classify Ahmed as that type of forward. Perhaps Simon can be that guy in time, but I doubt it's next season.
Jarvis wasn't a good X's and O's coach, but he did make sure his bigs were strong and bulky, that four guys hit the glass hard on both ends, played tough defense, and could all catch the ball. That really goes a long way.
Artest could possibly be 260 lbs now, but he wasn't that big at St. John's. The rest of your post has some merit.
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
They also had two first round NBA forwards, a first round PG, and Bootsy. Artest was 6'7 260 and probably the strongest kid in the country. Postell was the best offensive rebounder from the three I've ever seen at St. John's by a mile as well.
You can win with a small team if you have nasty forwards or if you dominate the on both sides of the perimeter game. We don't have a dominant defense and I would not classify Ahmed as that type of forward. Perhaps Simon can be that guy in time, but I doubt it's next season.
Jarvis wasn't a good X's and O's coach, but he did make sure his bigs were strong and bulky, that four guys hit the glass hard on both ends, played tough defense, and could all catch the ball. That really goes a long way.
That might have very well been best ST john's team I have seen. At least close second to Final Four team. Comparing any ST John's team to them is silly let alone team coming off 13 win season.
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
They also had two first round NBA forwards, a first round PG, and Bootsy. Artest was 6'7 260 and probably the strongest kid in the country. Postell was the best offensive rebounder from the three I've ever seen at St. John's by a mile as well.
You can win with a small team if you have nasty forwards or if you dominate the on both sides of the perimeter game. We don't have a dominant defense and I would not classify Ahmed as that type of forward. Perhaps Simon can be that guy in time, but I doubt it's next season.
Jarvis wasn't a good X's and O's coach, but he did make sure his bigs were strong and bulky, that four guys hit the glass hard on both ends, played tough defense, and could all catch the ball. That really goes a long way.
That might have very well been best ST john's team I have seen. At least close second to Final Four team. Comparing any ST John's team to them is silly let alone team coming off 13 win season.
+1
Until, I see the current group put any effort into playing defense, then I'll remain on the fence to what they can achieve. I know they have the overall talent to do some good things, but we'll see what kind of effort they bring when the ball isn't in their hands.
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
They also had tough guys on that team. Grant, Jessie, Artest, Postell, Glover were all very physical and did the dirty work on the boards. This team isn't nearly as physically tough. Owens and Clark will need help.
Glover didn't play with Grant or Artest, but I get you drift. You also forgot to add Thornton into that equation.
For the most part, that particular team was not only talented, but they were also blue-collar players. They did all the "little things" that mattered. They also played smartly.
Yup, thanks for clarifying and Bootsy was another gritty guy. The players and names all start meshing together as the years go by lol
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
They also had tough guys on that team. Grant, Jessie, Artest, Postell, Glover were all very physical and did the dirty work on the boards. This team isn't nearly as physically tough. Owens and Clark will need help.
Glover didn't play with Grant or Artest, but I get you drift. You also forgot to add Thornton into that equation.
For the most part, that particular team was not only talented, but they were also blue-collar players. They did all the "little things" that mattered. They also played smartly.
Yup, thanks for clarifying and Bootsy was another gritty guy. The players and names all start meshing together as the years go by lol
Also had Albert Richardson who was not good but was 6'9" and was another body in the paint on defense.
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
They also had tough guys on that team. Grant, Jessie, Artest, Postell, Glover were all very physical and did the dirty work on the boards. This team isn't nearly as physically tough. Owens and Clark will need help.
Glover didn't play with Grant or Artest, but I get you drift. You also forgot to add Thornton into that equation.
For the most part, that particular team was not only talented, but they were also blue-collar players. They did all the "little things" that mattered. They also played smartly.
Yup, thanks for clarifying and Bootsy was another gritty guy. The players and names all start meshing together as the years go by lol
Also had Albert Richardson who was not good but was 6'9" and was another body in the paint on defense.
Also Donald Emanuel at 6'8 who showed nice improvement over his career.
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As much as it sucks to be recruiting this poorly, it's nice that it's no longer taboo to question Matt A as a recruiter.
Ponds Simon Lovett Clark Ahmed Yakwe Owens = "recruiting this poorly." Shut up.
You're right we're in great shape. NCAA's here we come. Who did we land out of our frontcourt targets in 2017?
I am not happy with the front court situation, but we have a really impressive core. It's probably the best in almost 20 years for us. It'd be a shame to waste it with such a glaring hole down low. We don't even need a star...just someone that can hold his ground.
I like our core too. My only point was it was a complete failure on the part of our lead recruiter to be unable to land even a 2 star rebounding power forward to help our core group. If you want to keep patting him on the back for assisting in bringing in our core group, fine. But as I said, recruiting a rebounding PF to play with Ponds and Lovett in a high major conference for Chris Mullin should have been a very easy thing to do. Especially for a recruiter who is apparently not "recruiting this poorly"
How many two star recruits would he have to bring in to make you happy. Just the one or do you want a bunch.
I'd settle for a frontcourt player who averages more than three and a half rebounds. I guess my expectations are sky high
If you think that the talent Mullin has assembled in 25 months comprises "recruiting this poorly" your expectations are insane.
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
They also had two first round NBA forwards, a first round PG, and Bootsy. Artest was 6'7 260 and probably the strongest kid in the country. Postell was the best offensive rebounder from the three I've ever seen at St. John's by a mile as well.
You can win with a small team if you have nasty forwards or if you dominate the on both sides of the perimeter game. We don't have a dominant defense and I would not classify Ahmed as that type of forward. Perhaps Simon can be that guy in time, but I doubt it's next season.
Jarvis wasn't a good X's and O's coach, but he did make sure his bigs were strong and bulky, that four guys hit the glass hard on both ends, played tough defense, and could all catch the ball. That really goes a long way.
Is this really a small team? The guards are small but Simon is 6'5" and and Clark, Yakwe, Owens, Ahmed are 6'7" or better. (And I didn't even mention the great Amar Alibegotwitch.) They're certainly not bulky, but it's not like they're midgets.
I get the need for another big body, which is why I'd have been happy with the golem who went to South Florida. What I don't get is the idea that the team's fortunes rest on the shoulders of some nameless two star ninth man forward. And I'm not even being my usual prickly contrarian congraulations norm self. I really don't get it.
Ponds / Lovett / Simon
Ahmed / Clark
Yawke / Owens
Mussini / Alibeowitch
That's nine players. If the returnees improve reasonably and the new guys don't stink and they play defense they should be an NIT team or better. If those things don't happen no eighth man is going to put them over the top. What might put them over the top is a big man better than Owens slash Yakwe but even if there's one of those around evidently no one's interested.
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The team that went to the elite eight had tyrone grant at 6'7" Patrolling the middle. This team next year is going to be good. They just have to make a commitment to playing defense.
They also had two first round NBA forwards, a first round PG, and Bootsy. Artest was 6'7 260 and probably the strongest kid in the country. Postell was the best offensive rebounder from the three I've ever seen at St. John's by a mile as well.
You can win with a small team if you have nasty forwards or if you dominate the on both sides of the perimeter game. We don't have a dominant defense and I would not classify Ahmed as that type of forward. Perhaps Simon can be that guy in time, but I doubt it's next season.
Jarvis wasn't a good X's and O's coach, but he did make sure his bigs were strong and bulky, that four guys hit the glass hard on both ends, played tough defense, and could all catch the ball. That really goes a long way.
Is this really a small team? The guards are small but Simon is 6'5" and and Clark, Yakwe, Owens, Ahmed are 6'7" or better. (And I didn't even mention the great Amar Alibegotwitch.) They're certainly not bulky, but it's not like they're midgets.
I get the need for another big body, which is why I'd have been happy with the golem who went to South Florida. What I don't get is the idea that the team's fortunes rest on the shoulders of some nameless two star ninth man forward. And I'm not even being my usual prickly contrarian congraulations norm self. I really don't get it.
Ponds / Lovett / Simon
Ahmed / Clark
Yawke / Owens
Mussini / Alibeowitch
That's nine players. If the returnees improve reasonably and the new guys don't stink and they play defense they should be an NIT team or better. If those things don't happen no eighth man is going to put them over the top. What might put them over the top is a big man better than Owens slash Yakwe but even if there's one of those around evidently no one's interested.
If he starts Owens and Clark together than they have decent size. Problem is Owens already has 2 fouls and Mullin seems inclined to bring him off the bench.
I bet he starts Yakwe, Clark, Ahmed, Ponds and Lovett which is a small team
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If he starts Owens and Clark together than they have decent size. Problem is Owens already has 2 fouls and Mullin seems inclined to bring him off the bench. I bet he starts Yakwe, Clark, Ahmed, Ponds and Lovett which is a small team
I think he might start the returnees - Owens/Yakwe/Ahmed/ Lovett/Ponds - unless Clark is really good and he starts over KY.
The thing is that this is actually a pretty versatile core group. They can go big - Owens / Yakwe / Ahmed/ Simon - or they could go small - Ponds / Lovett / Simon / Clark / Yakwe. There are a couple of players who can not start and bring energy off the bench: Ahmed, Owens and the new guys. They could play four guards a la Villanova with Lovett, Ponds, and Missini on the wing and Simon at the point and Owens in the middle. There's really a lot of there there, which again is why I don't understand the angst. I mean I understand it - a grad transfer like the guy from LIU would have been ideal - but I don't get the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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If he starts Owens and Clark together than they have decent size. Problem is Owens already has 2 fouls and Mullin seems inclined to bring him off the bench. I bet he starts Yakwe, Clark, Ahmed, Ponds and Lovett which is a small team
I think he might start the returnees - Owens/Yakwe/Ahmed/ Lovett/Ponds - unless Clark is really good and he starts over KY.
The thing is that this is actually a pretty versatile core group. They can go big - Owens / Yakwe / Ahmed/ Simon - or they could go small - Ponds / Lovett / Simon / Clark / Yakwe. There are a couple of players who can not start and bring energy off the bench: Ahmed, Owens and the new guys. They could play four guards a la Villanova with Lovett, Ponds, and Missini on the wing and Simon at the point and Owens in the middle. There's really a lot of there there, which again is why I don't understand the angst. I mean I understand it - a grad transfer like the guy from LIU would have been ideal - but I don't get the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I would be surprised if Clark doesn't start. Only 6 months to wait and see....
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If he starts Owens and Clark together than they have decent size. Problem is Owens already has 2 fouls and Mullin seems inclined to bring him off the bench. I bet he starts Yakwe, Clark, Ahmed, Ponds and Lovett which is a small team
I think he might start the returnees - Owens/Yakwe/Ahmed/ Lovett/Ponds - unless Clark is really good and he starts over KY.
The thing is that this is actually a pretty versatile core group. They can go big - Owens / Yakwe / Ahmed/ Simon - or they could go small - Ponds / Lovett / Simon / Clark / Yakwe. There are a couple of players who can not start and bring energy off the bench: Ahmed, Owens and the new guys. They could play four guards a la Villanova with Lovett, Ponds, and Missini on the wing and Simon at the point and Owens in the middle. There's really a lot of there there, which again is why I don't understand the angst. I mean I understand it - a grad transfer like the guy from LIU would have been ideal - but I don't get the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I like Owens but we do not have one guy that can get us an easy basket down low.
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Owens Owens Owens
Kid is the key to our season. If he can stay out of
foul trouble for the majority of games, we'll be good enough to be a bubble team.
I honestly believe it's that simple of an equation. We have a 6'11 kid who is relatively talented. Our best hope is for said player to develop some more, and stay out of trouble. In my opinion this is far more likely to happen than some miracle transfer or unheralded freshmen recruit is to come in and play major minutes supporting our frontline.
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Abs is a guest on this week's Zags and Josh Newman's podcast linked below-
http://vsporto.com/episode/21440/the-4-quarters-podcast-early-entry-players-at-nba-draft-combine-analysis-and-national-recruiting-update/
Someone get word to Zags to do a better job on sound adjustments. One guy sounds like he is speaking from the bottom of a well while the other guy sounds like he is shouting from Mt. Olympus.
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If he starts Owens and Clark together than they have decent size. Problem is Owens already has 2 fouls and Mullin seems inclined to bring him off the bench. I bet he starts Yakwe, Clark, Ahmed, Ponds and Lovett which is a small team
I think he might start the returnees - Owens/Yakwe/Ahmed/ Lovett/Ponds - unless Clark is really good and he starts over KY.
The thing is that this is actually a pretty versatile core group. They can go big - Owens / Yakwe / Ahmed/ Simon - or they could go small - Ponds / Lovett / Simon / Clark / Yakwe. There are a couple of players who can not start and bring energy off the bench: Ahmed, Owens and the new guys. They could play four guards a la Villanova with Lovett, Ponds, and Missini on the wing and Simon at the point and Owens in the middle. There's really a lot of there there, which again is why I don't understand the angst. I mean I understand it - a grad transfer like the guy from LIU would have been ideal - but I don't get the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I like Owens but we do not have one guy that can get us an easy basket down low.
Hopefully Clark will be able to score down low. But I agree , the inability to score down low enabled opposing teams to put more pressure on our guards. Let's hope Yakwe and Owens show mprovment in that regard. One would expect it. But looking at Sima and Yakwes lack of development from freshman to sophomore years worries me.
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I'm all in and predicting an Ncaa tournament bid for next season. :up:
And Matt A did bring us LP, right? Criticism of him thus far should be muted at most.
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This has nothing to do with Matt A but I randomly stumbled upon the ESPN top 100 list from 2011 and holy shit I didn't realize how good a class we had that season.
Dom Pointer (#25)
Mo Harkless (#39)
Harrison (#64)
Amir Garrett (#99)
and we also ended up with the #51 overall player Jamal Branch.
That's 5 top 100 kids and I know only 3 ended up playing all 4 years and I know Lavin's health issues threw a wrench in everything but how did that staff not win more with that tremendous start.
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how did that staff not win more
The amazing thing is how easy they made not winning look.
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This has nothing to do with Matt A but I randomly stumbled upon the ESPN top 100 list from 2011 and holy shit I didn't realize how good a class we had that season.
Dom Pointer (#25)
Mo Harkless (#39)
Harrison (#64)
Amir Garrett (#99)
and we also ended up with the #51 overall player Jamal Branch.
That's 5 top 100 kids and I know only 3 ended up playing all 4 years and I know Lavin's health issues threw a wrench in everything but how did that staff not win more with that tremendous start.
Numbers doesn't quite tell the story, as you somewhat mentioned later in your post. Harkless played for only one season (he never played with Branch). Garrett only played for a season and a half before leaving to play baseball.
They was really no roster continuity 'til that class junior or senior season. No excuses, but you can look at that class as the beginning of the end, once things didn't particularly go as initially planned.
I know I chimed in on this one, but I'd prefer we stay on topic.
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The 13/14 team goes down as one of my top 2 or 3 biggest disappointments as a fan. How that team didn't make the tourney and even win games is mind boggling.
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how did that staff not win more
The amazing thing is how easy they made not winning look.
What's amazing is how sure some people are that we are better now, despite a 14 win season that included losses to teams that I've never heard of + 4 transfers & zero recruits for 17-18. Previous staff had problems. New staff has problems, too.
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The difference is that the new staff will solve their problems.
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The difference is that the new staff will solve their problems.
Really? How do you know that? It's mid-May. We have no one coming in and we lost 4 players since December. Granted Sima is a sissy, but the other 3 that left were supposed to be building blocks for the future. The continuity that we've been searching for took a big hit.
There may be time to overcome the mistakes that have been made. But if they go into the season without adding a Center/PF, the results will be theirs to own.
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Losing Ellison is addition by subtraction. Those of you who are making a big deal out of losing Williams and Freudenberg are fair weather fans who think the world is coming to an end every time things don't go right in their "snowflake" world.
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Losing Ellison is addition by subtraction. Those of you who are making a big deal out of losing Williams and Freudenberg are fair weather fans who think the world is coming to an end every time things don't go right in their "snowflake" world.
Honestly, I'm not sweating losing those players. But, it doesn't particularly look good losing so many at once from a continuity standpoint.
I'd love for the staff to rectify their problems, but I don't see how you can say it so absolutely. There hasn't been anything to prove it, and comes off as blind faith.
I think they can partially remedy their 2017 miscues by landing Wilson. But, a big added in would also suffice. Although, I think they're moving on to future classes with or without Wilson.
Personally, I hope to see much better defense and more sharing of the basketball. If we do those things, then I think--with the talent we have--we'll be fine.
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I remember back in 1985 many people said that Chris Mullin would never make it in the NBA. I predicted that he would be an NBA All Star. It had nothing to do with blind faith. I understood his game. He was the 2nd leading scorer on the 1984 Olympic Team behind only Michael Jordan. Many thought he would not make the Dream Team, and he was the 2nd or 3rd scorer on that team. I never underestimate the resolve of this man.
He was hired by St. John's without any coaching experience. Never coached at any level. He has made his share of mistakes, but he was a better coach in his 2nd year than he was in his first, and will be a better coach in his third year than he was in his second. Coach Mullin gets the full five years and probably more time than from me to turn around this program, and he will succeed at turning it around. Not blind faith, but total respect for the man, for his basketball knowledge and determination to succeed.
Yes I fully expect this man to succeed and I will follow this team and root for him as he brings St. John's basketball back.
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You sound like that old fart from Rm.com who refused to speak against Norm. If it was up to him Norm would still be the coach and Harrington the President. I hope you are right but evidence to the contrary is beginning to surpass your hopes. At this point we need to sign someone just to show that we can.
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You simply sound like an a rear of a donkey, which i am quite sure you are.
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old farts rule
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Losing Ellison is addition by subtraction. Those of you who are making a big deal out of losing Williams and Freudenberg are fair weather fans who think the world is coming to an end every time things don't go right in their "snowflake" world.
The best thing about freshman is that they become sophomores. Ellison was not without his issues on the court, but we've lost valuable continuity. He spent two years starting. That's a lot of wasted time to be casually tossed into the addition by subtraction category.
Williams leaving didn't bother me so much at first because of how fragile he is, but would you take him back now?
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It is a great point on continuity and the value of upperclassmen, but I at least see why Malik would leave given who we have in the fold. Having practiced against Simon all year, I'm sure he thinks that minutes may be hard to come by with Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Mussini at the 1/2 spots, and Simon/Ahmed at the 3 spot. Williams is not as clear and, yes, we all would take him back now as a big off the bench. But if the kid wants to go to a place where a coach is telling him he may start and get 25 minutes a game on the regular, what are you going to do?
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Losing Ellison is addition by subtraction. Those of you who are making a big deal out of losing Williams and Freudenberg are fair weather fans who think the world is coming to an end every time things don't go right in their "snowflake" world.
The best thing about freshman is that they become sophomores. Ellison was not without his issues on the court, but we've lost valuable continuity. He spent two years starting. That's a lot of wasted time to be casually tossed into the addition by subtraction category.
Williams leaving didn't bother me so much at first because of how fragile he is, but would you take him back now?
I agree with the continuity point but such is the way of college basketball these days. Most programs seems like they are losing multiple kids per class so losing kids after 2 years or more of development is pretty common. As the previous poster said Ellisons minutes look to be limited this upcoming season so may have been best for him to find playing Time elsewhere.
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Losing Ellison is addition by subtraction.
I disagree. At the minimum he was valuable as a guard that could attempt to guard an opponents big two And Williams was easily our most "polished?" big offensively plus he hustled. They were flawed but they were ours. I hate losing players to other schools.
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Losing Ellison is addition by subtraction. Those of you who are making a big deal out of losing Williams and Freudenberg are fair weather fans who think the world is coming to an end every time things don't go right in their "snowflake" world.
The best thing about freshman is that they become sophomores. Ellison was not without his issues on the court, but we've lost valuable continuity. He spent two years starting. That's a lot of wasted time to be casually tossed into the addition by subtraction category.
Williams leaving didn't bother me so much at first because of how fragile he is, but would you take him back now?
I agree with the continuity point but such is the way of college basketball these days. Most programs seems like they are losing multiple kids per class so losing kids after 2 years or more of development is pretty common. As the previous poster said Ellisons minutes look to be limited this upcoming season so may have been best for him to find playing Time elsewhere.
If you lose the player before they develop into the player you envisioned them becoming, you are doing it wrong. The point was to have Ellison as a senior.
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There are approx 350 D-1 schools, and more than double the amount of transfers. It's a broader issue than this staff doing something wrong.
If Ellison getting recruited over w/ Simon is wrong, then Sean Miller @ Arizona recruiting over Simon is equally wrong.
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There are approx 350 schools, and more than double the amount of transfers. It's a broader issue than the staff doing something wrong.
If Ellison getting recruited over w/ Simon is wrong, then Sean Miller @ Arizona recruiting over Simon is equally wrong.
If it's one time, ok. But we've lost 5 players who were supposed to be building blocks. They didn't waste any time celebrating when they picked St.John's. It's not we didn't need any of them either.
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Losing Ellison is addition by subtraction. Those of you who are making a big deal out of losing Williams and Freudenberg are fair weather fans who think the world is coming to an end every time things don't go right in their "snowflake" world.
The best thing about freshman is that they become sophomores. Ellison was not without his issues on the court, but we've lost valuable continuity. He spent two years starting. That's a lot of wasted time to be casually tossed into the addition by subtraction category.
Williams leaving didn't bother me so much at first because of how fragile he is, but would you take him back now?
I agree with the continuity point but such is the way of college basketball these days. Most programs seems like they are losing multiple kids per class so losing kids after 2 years or more of development is pretty common. As the previous poster said Ellisons minutes look to be limited this upcoming season so may have been best for him to find playing Time elsewhere.
If you lose the player before they develop into the player you envisioned them becoming, you are doing it wrong. The point was to have Ellison as a senior.
It happens all over the country. Agree with you on the continuity part but happens in a lot of programs. The way of the world now, agree to disagree
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You simply sound like an a rear of a donkey, which i am quite sure you are.
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I thought it was you. Hiding all these years. Did you think changing your name from old fan to longtime fan would help you go unnoticed. How's your old buddy Norm and Harrington doing.
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Losing Ellison is addition by subtraction. Those of you who are making a big deal out of losing Williams and Freudenberg are fair weather fans who think the world is coming to an end every time things don't go right in their "snowflake" world.
The best thing about freshman is that they become sophomores. Ellison was not without his issues on the court, but we've lost valuable continuity. He spent two years starting. That's a lot of wasted time to be casually tossed into the addition by subtraction category.
Williams leaving didn't bother me so much at first because of how fragile he is, but would you take him back now?
I agree with the continuity point but such is the way of college basketball these days. Most programs seems like they are losing multiple kids per class so losing kids after 2 years or more of development is pretty common. As the previous poster said Ellisons minutes look to be limited this upcoming season so may have been best for him to find playing Time elsewhere.
If you lose the player before they develop into the player you envisioned them becoming, you are doing it wrong. The point was to have Ellison as a senior.
It happens all over the country. Agree with you on the continuity part but happens in a lot of programs. The way of the world now, agree to disagree
It does. I agree. I'm just frustrated to see no progress w recruits and it's May.
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Losing Ellison is addition by subtraction. Those of you who are making a big deal out of losing Williams and Freudenberg are fair weather fans who think the world is coming to an end every time things don't go right in their "snowflake" world.
The best thing about freshman is that they become sophomores. Ellison was not without his issues on the court, but we've lost valuable continuity. He spent two years starting. That's a lot of wasted time to be casually tossed into the addition by subtraction category.
Williams leaving didn't bother me so much at first because of how fragile he is, but would you take him back now?
I agree with the continuity point but such is the way of college basketball these days. Most programs seems like they are losing multiple kids per class so losing kids after 2 years or more of development is pretty common. As the previous poster said Ellisons minutes look to be limited this upcoming season so may have been best for him to find playing Time elsewhere.
If you lose the player before they develop into the player you envisioned them becoming, you are doing it wrong. The point was to have Ellison as a senior.
It happens all over the country. Agree with you on the continuity part but happens in a lot of programs. The way of the world now, agree to disagree
It does. I agree. I'm just frustrated to see no progress w recruits and it's May.
What progress are you looking for exactly? For 2017 we landed one 4* and one 5* transfer and have a top 70 SF visiting right now. If your talking about landing a big man transfer of some type, I agree that most of us are frustrated with that. Aside from not landing a big man, our class could be technically quite good if you're counting Clark and Simon. I think we chose to go transfer route for a reason with 2017 class, both because we were rebuilding and new staff might not have had much relationships built with the 17' freshmen class.
As far as 2018 goes, only 19 of the top 150 are off the table, and we already have Diakite and transfer Mikey Dixon on board, and seemingly have good ties with quite a few in 18' class.
Definitely think we likely could use more big men, but we have recruited some pretty strong talent to this team's core and might skate through for 17' having two 4* kids and one 5* kid in the class. Not near terrible.
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Losing Ellison is addition by subtraction. Those of you who are making a big deal out of losing Williams and Freudenberg are fair weather fans who think the world is coming to an end every time things don't go right in their "snowflake" world.
The best thing about freshman is that they become sophomores. Ellison was not without his issues on the court, but we've lost valuable continuity. He spent two years starting. That's a lot of wasted time to be casually tossed into the addition by subtraction category.
Williams leaving didn't bother me so much at first because of how fragile he is, but would you take him back now?
I agree with the continuity point but such is the way of college basketball these days. Most programs seems like they are losing multiple kids per class so losing kids after 2 years or more of development is pretty common. As the previous poster said Ellisons minutes look to be limited this upcoming season so may have been best for him to find playing Time elsewhere.
If you lose the player before they develop into the player you envisioned them becoming, you are doing it wrong. The point was to have Ellison as a senior.
It happens all over the country. Agree with you on the continuity part but happens in a lot of programs. The way of the world now, agree to disagree
It does. I agree. I'm just frustrated to see no progress w recruits and it's May.
What progress are you looking for exactly? For 2017 we landed one 4* and one 5* transfer and have a top 70 SF visiting right now. If your talking about landing a big man transfer of some type, I agree that most of us are frustrated with that. Aside from not landing a big man, our class could be technically quite good if you're counting Clark and Simon. I think we chose to go transfer route for a reason with 2017 class, both because we were rebuilding and new staff might not have had much relationships built with the 17' freshmen class.
As far as 2018 goes, only 19 of the top 150 are off the table, and we already have Diakite and transfer Mikey Dixon on board, and seemingly have good ties with quite a few in 18' class.
Definitely think we likely could use more big men, but we have recruited some pretty strong talent to this team's core and might skate through for 17' having two 4* kids and one 5* kid in the class. Not near terrible.
I'm only talking about not addressing our needs. It's bad planning. Kind of like when Brian Mahoney didn't bother to recruit a point guard. It turned out to be the end of him. I would like to see Mullin avoid making the same mistake.
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Everyone thought Ellison and RF were terrible until they left. That's why I love this board.
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Everyone thought Ellison and RF were terrible until they left. That's why I love this board.
I still think they were terrible. I also think they could have gotten better, because few humans who practice something get worse. RF leaving after a year is nothing. Ellison leaving after two years is something, because we put up with two years of to-be-expected awfulness and lost him when logically he might become less than awful. In the big scheme it's no big deal except that continuity is important. For example, Mussini stinks, but I'm happy that he'll stink in this program for four years, because the alternative is two years of someone else stinking. At least I recognize Mussini and his number.
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Does anyone think Ellison left because Simon was dominating him in practice? He could see the writing on the wall that Simon was going to start.
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Does anyone think Ellison left because Simon was dominating him in practice? He could see the writing on the wall that Simon was going to start.
I think that kinda stuff happens at Arizona and Duke. Not here. I can't remember a top 150 recruit leaving because he was recruited over. Maybe Shannon Crooks. I think Ellison left because he struggled to play well consistently, or at all. And like many college-aged kids he probably doesn't think his poor performance was on him.
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Does anyone think Ellison left because Simon was dominating him in practice? He could see the writing on the wall that Simon was going to start.
No simon and we still have Ellison. No doubt in my mind.
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Does anyone think Ellison left because Simon was dominating him in practice? He could see the writing on the wall that Simon was going to start.
I hope so.
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
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Players? Coaches? Admin ? Team Site ?
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Players? Coaches? Admin ? Team Site ?
Recently followed Dan Hurley and Andy Toole. Toole just interviewed for the Pitt job. This is most likely just way overanalyzing but I'm pretty sure the only other college coach he follows is Will Wade. So that along with the timing of it all just has me thinking
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Players? Coaches? Admin ? Team Site ?
Recently followed Dan Hurley and Andy Toole. Toole just interviewed for the Pitt job. This is most likely just way overanalyzing but I'm pretty sure the only other college coach he follows is Will Wade. So that along with the timing of it all just has me thinking
When he starts following Rick Pitino let me know...
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
If the higher powers knew how to hire a competent HC and staff then a money grab would be the least of their worries.
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
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I wonder, if the school is fine w Matt leaving, who would they not be fine with leaving?
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
Man, that is worrisome to read, especially since he's the only one we have recruiting. Not good especially with such an important recruiting class coming up.
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
Man, that is worrisome to read, especially since he's the only one we have recruiting. Not good especially with such an important recruiting class coming up.
Where is recruiting?
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He leaves and 2 star recruits become the norm around here, no pun intended.
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
Mullin needs to manage thus internal stuff, but it appears he is a very lay back guy. Not bashing him, but as a “manager” I thought he also needed to resolve Slice discontent & his differences with Matt. The latter created bad optics and gave grist for the mill to our competitors. Lord knows he brokered great salaries for these guys & should have just told them to suck it up & stop the nonsense. Just my take, but maybe there was more to it. In any event this assistant coach drama has not been helpful.
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
Mullin needs to manage thus internal stuff, but it appears he is a very lay back guy. Not bashing him, but as a “manager” I thought he also needed to resolve Slice discontent & his differences with Matt. The latter created bad optics and gave grist for the mill to our competitors. Lord knows he brokered great salaries for these guys & should have just told them to suck it up & stop the nonsense. Just my take, but maybe there was more to it. In any event this assistant coach drama has not been helpful.
agreed
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
Hate to break it to you but this is not how assistant coaching contracts work and Chris controls it as does every HC.
Furthermore if SJU is being hamstrung by its 3rd assistant then everyone involved with the program from Chris Mullin to the AD should be fired immediately.
Furthermore there is no way in hell Chris allows a assistant to negotiate a contract without his explicit endorsement nor would any HC. They wouldn't be a HC then.
And lastly if Matt's contract is so punitive that he can't be fired then SJU does belong in the MAAC.
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Bottom line Matt is here because Chris wants him here. If that changes because Chris changes his mind then Matt won't be here, that is FACT.
Matt is not being forced on Chris because of money. Period. I could care less what others at SJU think that means nothing. Mullin is the HC just like Jay Wright at Villanova and Tom Izzo at Michigan St. They have their staff because it is who they want, period. FACT.
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
Hate to break it to you but this is not how assistant coaching contracts work and Chris controls it as does every HC.
Furthermore if SJU is being hamstrung by its 3rd assistant then everyone involved with the program from Chris Mullin to the AD should be fired immediately.
Furthermore there is no way in hell Chris allows a assistant to negotiate a contract without his explicit endorsement nor would any HC. They wouldn't be a HC then.
And lastly if Matt's contract is so punitive that he can't be fired then SJU does belong in the MAAC.
Hate to break it to you but Matt did in fact go to the school for more money. Did he go to Chris first ? It's possible. But he did go to the school. The school is still paying Slice. They'd rather not pay matt too for not working. This is a fact
Oh and another assistant wants more money too
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The thing that concerns me is that Matt A is not expendable because he's the only assistant who's active and effective in recruiting. It's not even about his prowess, it's that he's literally the only guy doing that aspect for the job. This is on Mullin.
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The thing that concerns me is that Matt A is not expendable because he's the only assistant who's active and effective in recruiting. It's not even about his prowess, it's that he's literally the only guy doing that aspect for the job. This is on Mullin.
absolutely agree
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
Mullin needs to manage thus internal stuff, but it appears he is a very lay back guy. Not bashing him, but as a “manager” I thought he also needed to resolve Slice discontent & his differences with Matt. The latter created bad optics and gave grist for the mill to our competitors. Lord knows he brokered great salaries for these guys & should have just told them to suck it up & stop the nonsense. Just my take, but maybe there was more to it. In any event this assistant coach drama has not been helpful.
I really didn't like the way it appeared Matt went about procuring the raise last off-season. Maybe CM hitched his wagon to the wrong horse.
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
Mullin needs to manage thus internal stuff, but it appears he is a very lay back guy. Not bashing him, but as a “manager” I thought he also needed to resolve Slice discontent & his differences with Matt. The latter created bad optics and gave grist for the mill to our competitors. Lord knows he brokered great salaries for these guys & should have just told them to suck it up & stop the nonsense. Just my take, but maybe there was more to it. In any event this assistant coach drama has not been helpful.
I really didn't like the way it appeared Matt went about procuring the raise last off-season. Maybe CM hitched his wagon to the wrong stable.
FIFY
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Every employee wants more money, and assistant coaches in men's hoops are no different. This stuff should be kept in-house, as Paultz noted.
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Bottom line Matt is here because Chris wants him here. If that changes because Chris changes his mind then Matt won't be here, that is FACT.
Matt is not being forced on Chris because of money. Period. I could care less what others at SJU think that means nothing. Mullin is the HC just like Jay Wright at Villanova and Tom Izzo at Michigan St. They have their staff because it is who they want, period. FACT.
There was literally nothing in this post that has anything to do with anything posted. This is like a seinfeld post about nothing
Not once did I claim that Mullin wanted Matt gone. Not once did I post that Matt is being forced on Mullin
All I wrote which is absolutely true is that the school wouldn't be disappointed if Matt ended up taking a job at another school. If the team wins then they wont mind as much paying more money. This is fact. This has nothing to do with Mullin
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Do we have to deal with this negotiating tactic every April? Enough. 15 schools represented upstate this wknd and we're not present, what is going on?
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15 schools represented upstate this wknd and we're not present, what is going on?
It's not hard to figure out.
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Seriously this is about as surprising as Trump cheating on his wife.
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15 schools represented upstate this wknd and we're not present, what is going on?
It's not hard to figure out.
It´s very sad. I always thought that Coach Mullin would be much more active in recruiting area.
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Are the coaches allowed any time off after the season? Are we sure we know everything the staff is doing?
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So does anybody know what is happening here? Seems fairly obvious to me he's up to something again. Is he actually trying to leave on his own? Is he just bluffing more money again? Has Mullin and the administration had enough of him to the point where they are trying to push him out the door without having to fire him?
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Do we have to deal with this negotiating tactic every April? Enough. 15 schools represented upstate this wknd and we're not present, what is going on?
Any school, any school, would NEVER allow an assistant to ever hold a program hostage let alone a head coach who runs it. NEVER.
Pitt and UCONN just fired HC's with punitive buyouts knowing full well despite the legal wrangling they will most likely have to pay mostvif not all if it.
Chris Mullin runs SJU basketball. He decides who is hired and who is fired. He decides what recruits come to SJU and who doesn't. Period. The minute that changes is the minute he is no longer the head coach.
This has nothing to do with being pro Chris or anti-Chris or pro-Matt or anti-Matt. It is because it is.
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Matt was at PSAL semi finals at SJU, but surprisingly no staff attended the CHSAA Semis or Final despite Kofi, Davis & other very good prospects playing. It used to be a give in that SJU staff would attend, but that has lessened through the years.
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Matt was at PSAL semi finals at SJU, but surprisingly no staff attended the CHSAA Semis or Final despite Kofi, Davis & other very good prospects playing. It used to be a give in that SJU staff would attend, but that has lessened through the years.
Disgraceful , lazy and arrogant on so many levels.
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Matt was at PSAL semi finals at SJU, but surprisingly no staff attended the CHSAA Semis or Final despite Kofi, Davis & other very good prospects playing. It used to be a give in that SJU staff would attend, but that has lessened through the years.
This is something easy to criticize, but I really don't understand any excuse why we wouldn't have one person there. It's not like we're playing games right now. Even if we aren't interested in any of the kids (and we are), shouldn't there just be a presence there for the sake of showing face, relationships with coaches, and maybe finding a hidden gem on these teams?
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Matt was at PSAL semi finals at SJU, but surprisingly no staff attended the CHSAA Semis or Final despite Kofi, Davis & other very good prospects playing. It used to be a give in that SJU staff would attend, but that has lessened through the years.
Disgraceful , lazy and arrogant on so many levels.
Those words, and what you commented on, reminds me of the Jarvis era.
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An in depth NY Post article from Zach on the state on SJU recruiting would be ideal right about now
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Matt was at PSAL semi finals at SJU, but surprisingly no staff attended the CHSAA Semis or Final despite Kofi, Davis & other very good prospects playing. It used to be a give in that SJU staff would attend, but that has lessened through the years.
I can confirm Matt and GSJ were at CHSAA semis at SJU sitting front row. And maybe they were only there because it was held in their house, who knows. The fact that they are not at every single NYC basketball event while Antigua is getting kids from here to play at Illinois is infuriating.
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Matt was at PSAL semi finals at SJU, but surprisingly no staff attended the CHSAA Semis or Final despite Kofi, Davis & other very good prospects playing. It used to be a give in that SJU staff would attend, but that has lessened through the years.
RJ Davis lead Stepinac to the state title yesterday, we're actively recruiting him, we're not there for it, 15 other schools are. The marketing campaign reads 'NY's College Team' yet the staff isn't at the Catholic city tournament or state title game, I don't get it, inexcusable.
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I thought you guys wanted staff to focus on Grad Transfers Bigs.....I know I do.
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I thought you guys wanted staff to focus on Grad Transfers Bigs.....I know I do.
Yes... but there are four staff members..
Unless all four were out hunting grad bigs out of the tri-state area, someone should be at least showing face at NY events where other schools show.
Mullin's line about recruiting NY is like Trump's line about Mexico paying for the wall.
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Matt was at PSAL semi finals at SJU, but surprisingly no staff attended the CHSAA Semis or Final despite Kofi, Davis & other very good prospects playing. It used to be a give in that SJU staff would attend, but that has lessened through the years.
I can confirm Matt and GSJ were at CHSAA semis at SJU sitting front row. And maybe they were only there because it was held in their house, who knows. The fact that they are not at every single NYC basketball event while Antigua is getting kids from here to play at Illinois is infuriating.
Supposedly, Mullin wasn't at none of the games. We definitely should've had someone at the championship game.
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I thought you guys wanted staff to focus on Grad Transfers Bigs.....I know I do.
We should. I'm not even saying Matt has to be there. But of the three assistant coaches and our head coach, can one not spare one day to be in the gym in NYC and one in Glen Falls? We should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.
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I thought you guys wanted staff to focus on Grad Transfers Bigs.....I know I do.
Recruiting HS kids and grad transfers are not mutually exclusive. Most staffs recruit ALL players that can help their squad.
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Like I've been saying for a while Chris Mullin is not fit to be a head coach at this level and needs to be fired ASAP. He won't be, but after this year when we inevitably have another key guy transfer, drama with the staff, and disappointing results on the court I hope the SJU admin finally see the light and fire this lazy loser. I would respect him if he was out busting his ass trying to recruit kids, but he's probably at Warriors HQ mixing it up with Steph Curry, and KD. You would think this supposed "great competitor" would be pissed that he's been embarrassed by his peers in the Big East the past 3 years, and he would be out there trying to get the advantage, but nah....
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Where is Baldi when we need him?
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So does anybody know what is happening here? Seems fairly obvious to me he's up to something again. Is he actually trying to leave on his own? Is he just bluffing more money again? Has Mullin and the administration had enough of him to the point where they are trying to push him out the door without having to fire him?
to be fair this isn't something that is happening right now. This was months ago and as far as I know it's not an issue. Now if Matt is talking to other schools right now I dont know. I just know what people in the school think if that happens
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Matt was at PSAL semi finals at SJU, but surprisingly no staff attended the CHSAA Semis or Final despite Kofi, Davis & other very good prospects playing. It used to be a give in that SJU staff would attend, but that has lessened through the years.
Matt only got a small allowance for hus recruiting travel budget as part of his new contract. Once he exceeds it he needs to pay for it.
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Where is Baldi when we need him?
Gassing up the car, ready to drive Matt to airport.
I don't know why any of this surprises anyone here. Mullin backed the wrong horse, this is old news.
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Do we have to deal with this negotiating tactic every April? Enough. 15 schools represented upstate this wknd and we're not present, what is going on?
Any school, any school, would NEVER allow an assistant to ever hold a program hostage let alone a head coach who runs it. NEVER.
So your saying an assistant has never used a potential other job offer as leverage in getting more money at any program ? Heck coaches do it all the time too
That's complete bullshit
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
Hate to break it to you but this is not how assistant coaching contracts work and Chris controls it as does every HC.
Furthermore if SJU is being hamstrung by its 3rd assistant then everyone involved with the program from Chris Mullin to the AD should be fired immediately.
Furthermore there is no way in hell Chris allows a assistant to negotiate a contract without his explicit endorsement nor would any HC. They wouldn't be a HC then.
And lastly if Matt's contract is so punitive that he can't be fired then SJU does belong in the MAAC.
Hate to break it to you but Matt did in fact go to the school for more money. Did he go to Chris first ? It's possible. But he did go to the school. The school is still paying Slice. They'd rather not pay matt too for not working. This is a fact
Oh and another assistant wants more money too
I hate to break it to you I could care less your entire posts ate there to indirectly to impugn SJU and Mullin and is not to inform. Mullin controls his staff I could care less who signs the checks.
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Matt was at PSAL semi finals at SJU, but surprisingly no staff attended the CHSAA Semis or Final despite Kofi, Davis & other very good prospects playing. It used to be a give in that SJU staff would attend, but that has lessened through the years.
Matt only got a small allowance for hus recruiting travel budget as part of his new contract. Once he exceeds it he needs to pay for it.
wow.... wonder how big/small that travel budget is.
Was that before his solo trip to the European championships last year ?
https://twitter.com/mabde33/status/895789693199110145
That worked out well...
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
Hate to break it to you but this is not how assistant coaching contracts work and Chris controls it as does every HC.
Furthermore if SJU is being hamstrung by its 3rd assistant then everyone involved with the program from Chris Mullin to the AD should be fired immediately.
Furthermore there is no way in hell Chris allows a assistant to negotiate a contract without his explicit endorsement nor would any HC. They wouldn't be a HC then.
And lastly if Matt's contract is so punitive that he can't be fired then SJU does belong in the MAAC.
Hate to break it to you but Matt did in fact go to the school for more money. Did he go to Chris first ? It's possible. But he did go to the school. The school is still paying Slice. They'd rather not pay matt too for not working. This is a fact
Oh and another assistant wants more money too
I hate to break it to you I could care less your entire posts ate there to indirectly to impugn SJU and Mullin and is not to inform. Mullin controls his staff I could care less who signs the checks.
lol you might act like you know what your talking about but you dont in this case. There were several other redmen posters who heard at the exact same time from the same person what I heard and the person that told us is very close with the school
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Answer 3 questions:
1)Who decides whether Matt or anyone is part of SJU basketball/staff?
2)Who can get rid of at anytime any current staff member or player at SJU?
3) Who will ultimately get credit or blame if the program does not make a quantum leap forward next year?
The answer to all 3 of those questions is the same. And it is not Anton Goff, Greg St. Jean Matt Abdelmassah. Don't make this anymore complicated then it is.
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Where is Baldi when we need him?
Gassing up the car, ready to drive Matt to airport.
I don't know why any of this surprises anyone here. Mullin backed the wrong horse, this is old news.
Ready to phone Slice? I miss him, too.
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My only point is some have a problem with Matt. Legitimate or not I could care less. Matt is here because Chris wants him here period. If you have a problem with that then you have a problem with Chris. Period.
If you has a problem with Freddie Q at SJU then your ultimate problem is with Norm. If your problem at UCONN was with Raphael Chillious then your real problem is with the man who brought him there, Kevin Ollie.
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
Hate to break it to you but this is not how assistant coaching contracts work and Chris controls it as does every HC.
Furthermore if SJU is being hamstrung by its 3rd assistant then everyone involved with the program from Chris Mullin to the AD should be fired immediately.
Furthermore there is no way in hell Chris allows a assistant to negotiate a contract without his explicit endorsement nor would any HC. They wouldn't be a HC then.
And lastly if Matt's contract is so punitive that he can't be fired then SJU does belong in the MAAC.
Hate to break it to you but Matt did in fact go to the school for more money. Did he go to Chris first ? It's possible. But he did go to the school. The school is still paying Slice. They'd rather not pay matt too for not working. This is a fact
Oh and another assistant wants more money too
I hate to break it to you I could care less your entire posts ate there to indirectly to impugn SJU and Mullin and is not to inform. Mullin controls his staff I could care less who signs the checks.
lol you might act like you know what your talking about but you dont in this case. There were several other redmen posters who heard at the exact same time from the same person what I heard and the person that told us is very close with the school
Mike you can lol all you want but you don't answer my questions or ultimately dispute what I'm saying so have your fun.
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Answer 3 questions:
1)Who decides whether Matt or anyone is part of SJU basketball/staff?
2)Who can get rid of at anytime any current staff member or player at SJU?
3) Who will ultimately get credit or blame if the program does not make a quantum leap forward next year?
The answer to all 3 of those questions is the same. And it is not Anton Goff, Greg St. Jean Matt Abdelmassah. Don't make this anymore complicated then it is.
Answer 1 question. Where have I said anything to the contrary ?
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Answer 3 questions:
1)Who decides whether Matt or anyone is part of SJU basketball/staff?
2)Who can get rid of at anytime any current staff member or player at SJU?
3) Who will ultimately get credit or blame if the program does not make a quantum leap forward next year?
The answer to all 3 of those questions is the same. And it is not Anton Goff, Greg St. Jean Matt Abdelmassah. Don't make this anymore complicated then it is.
Answer 1 question. Where have I said anything to the contrary ?
Who said I directed that at you?
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Answer 3 questions:
1)Who decides whether Matt or anyone is part of SJU basketball/staff?
2)Who can get rid of at anytime any current staff member or player at SJU?
3) Who will ultimately get credit or blame if the program does not make a quantum leap forward next year?
The answer to all 3 of those questions is the same. And it is not Anton Goff, Greg St. Jean Matt Abdelmassah. Don't make this anymore complicated then it is.
Answer 1 question. Where have I said anything to the contrary ?
Who said I directed that at you?
Some guy named Fordham96 just wrote this " Mike you can lol all you want but you don't answer my questions or ultimately dispute what I'm saying so have your fun. "
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Answer 3 questions:
1)Who decides whether Matt or anyone is part of SJU basketball/staff?
2)Who can get rid of at anytime any current staff member or player at SJU?
3) Who will ultimately get credit or blame if the program does not make a quantum leap forward next year?
The answer to all 3 of those questions is the same. And it is not Anton Goff, Greg St. Jean Matt Abdelmassah. Don't make this anymore complicated then it is.
Answer 1 question. Where have I said anything to the contrary ?
Who said I directed that at you?
Some guy named Fordham96 just wrote this " Mike you can lol all you want but you don't answer my questions or ultimately dispute what I'm saying so have your fun. "
The questions were in previous posts not necessarily that one.
If others answered those questions they would understand why a raise or how it was done is ultimately meaningless or worthless to talk about. That was the point.
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I've sat on this a long time, but an aquaintence of mine who is an ISU booster told me this would happen the day we hired matt. He said matt was very much an attention whore who pissed off the other assistants and as Baldi said they were happy to drive him to the ames airport. Matt wanted credit for every recruit that was on the ISU roster. CIrcumstances change , people dont. You get with Matt what you get, hes works hard but doesnt play nice with others.
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I mentioned this before, but it was told to me from someone in athletic department that Mullin only answers to pres- not to Goff. Only coach at sju to do so. If that’s true, Mullin is calling all the shots and is gm, pres and coach of his team. He will ultimately be responsible for whatever good or bad comes to this program as HC. To this date, he is showing he will go down with this ship alone, cause he doesn’t have anyone with basketball coaching knowledge in his ear. The results on and off court are proving this.
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I mentioned this before, but it was told to me from someone in athletic department that Mullin only answers to pres- not to Goff. Only coach at sju to do so. If that’s true, Mullin is calling all the shots and is gm, pres and coach of his team. He will ultimately be responsible for whatever good or bad comes to this program as HC. To this date, he is showing he will go down with this ship alone, cause he doesn’t have anyone with basketball coaching knowledge in his ear. The results on and off court are proving this.
And all the rest is background noise.
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Yep, but can’t help wonder if all this back ground noise is somewhat true. A big reason why we have seen a well connected coach get canned, tons of transfers(grad or not), and losing basketball during the season.
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Yep, but can’t help wonder if all this back ground noise is somewhat true. A big reason why we have seen a well connected coach get canned, tons of transfers(grad or not), and losing basketball during the season.
Or at least some if it being pushed by people who have a lot invested in Coach succeeding that any chance he may not will lead some to already start blaming someone else.
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
Mullin needs to manage thus internal stuff, but it appears he is a very lay back guy. Not bashing him, but as a “manager” I thought he also needed to resolve Slice discontent & his differences with Matt. The latter created bad optics and gave grist for the mill to our competitors. Lord knows he brokered great salaries for these guys & should have just told them to suck it up & stop the nonsense. Just my take, but maybe there was more to it. In any event this assistant coach drama has not been helpful.
I really didn't like the way it appeared Matt went about procuring the raise last off-season. Maybe CM hitched his wagon to the wrong horse.
Right most people who go behind their bosses' back not only don't get a raise they get fired. Seems this guy not only doesn't get fired but he gets loyalty FROM his boss.
Wow strange no?
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Just my opinion, but seems as though Mullin was hired for a few big reasons. Drive up alumni money and he lives and breathes sju. School didn’t want to bring a coach in to use school as stepping stone. Seems Mullin all in on Matt, cause he’s a sju alum and will put school in best light possible. the love for university seems to be alienating others, hence slice.
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Matt was at PSAL semi finals at SJU, but surprisingly no staff attended the CHSAA Semis or Final despite Kofi, Davis & other very good prospects playing. It used to be a give in that SJU staff would attend, but that has lessened through the years.
Matt only got a small allowance for hus recruiting travel budget as part of his new contract. Once he exceeds it he needs to pay for it.
wow.... wonder how big/small that travel budget is.
Was that before his solo trip to the European championships last year ?
https://twitter.com/mabde33/status/895789693199110145
That worked out well...
Gas is getting more expensive. That's at least $50 in gas plus ez pass tolls :)
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What a revolting development this is. All I can say is the entire staff deserves huge raises based on the stellar results they have achieved over the past 3 seasons.If Matt is on the way out can probably forget any grad transfer bigs. But have no fear if Matt departs good ole Mo will replace him with another one of his cronies, probably Tim Hardaway and we can claim 2 HOF coaches and an honorable mention. We are St. John's! We are, a mess!
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Just my opinion, but seems as though Mullin was hired for a few big reasons. Drive up alumni money and he lives and breathes sju. School didn’t want to bring a coach in to use school as stepping stone. Seems Mullin all in on Matt, cause he’s a sju alum and will put school in best light possible. the love for university seems to be alienating others, hence slice.
The PR and fundraising were part of it but to me the larger part was SJU was falling behind Villanova. Why? No scandals, no NCAA violations, why? The answer was leadership. There was no viable excuse for it other than leadership. And in Chris they saw some one who was heavily invested in SJU and specifically wants to see this succeed more than anyone. And they are going to give home the appropriate amount of time.
I think he wants to succeed as well but he needs to understand the time given won't be endless.
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Just my opinion, but seems as though Mullin was hired for a few big reasons. Drive up alumni money and he lives and breathes sju. School didn’t want to bring a coach in to use school as stepping stone. Seems Mullin all in on Matt, cause he’s a sju alum and will put school in best light possible. the love for university seems to be alienating others, hence slice.
The PR and fundraising were part of it but to me the larger part was SJU was falling behind Villanova. Why? No scandals, no NCAA violations, why? The answer was leadership. There was no viable excuse for it other than leadership. And in Chris they saw some one who was heavily invested in SJU and specifically wants to see this succeed more than anyone. And they are going to give home the appropriate amount of time.
I think he wants to succeed as well but he needs to understand the time given won't be endless.
My perception is that Mullin still doesn't fully understand the difference between the pros and college, both in terms of the game itself (x's and o's), and being so laid back (which could be interpreted as too hands off with players/assuming maturity and loyalty, and recruiting). It's worrisome.
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So no one can answer why he recently started following Dan Hurley and Andy Toole.
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So no one can answer why he recently started following Dan Hurley and Andy Toole.
I presume for the same reason he follows, Obama, Trump and Patrick Ewing, because he wants to...
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Just my opinion, but seems as though Mullin was hired for a few big reasons. Drive up alumni money and he lives and breathes sju. School didn’t want to bring a coach in to use school as stepping stone. Seems Mullin all in on Matt, cause he’s a sju alum and will put school in best light possible. the love for university seems to be alienating others, hence slice.
The PR and fundraising were part of it but to me the larger part was SJU was falling behind Villanova. Why? No scandals, no NCAA violations, why? The answer was leadership. There was no viable excuse for it other than leadership. And in Chris they saw some one who was heavily invested in SJU and specifically wants to see this succeed more than anyone. And they are going to give home the appropriate amount of time.
I think he wants to succeed as well but he needs to understand the time given won't be endless.
I agree on the nova part. What’s baffling is for a school that is so far behind nova, one would think in year 4, has to be the last straw to make headway. In year one, his biggest hurdle was fielding a team. Here we are in year 4, he only loses 2 srs and sju is in no better shape to compete for a top 3 seed.
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
Hate to break it to you but this is not how assistant coaching contracts work and Chris controls it as does every HC.
Furthermore if SJU is being hamstrung by its 3rd assistant then everyone involved with the program from Chris Mullin to the AD should be fired immediately.
Furthermore there is no way in hell Chris allows a assistant to negotiate a contract without his explicit endorsement nor would any HC. They wouldn't be a HC then.
And lastly if Matt's contract is so punitive that he can't be fired then SJU does belong in the MAAC.
Give it a rest. What gives you the right to constantly tell everyone how to think and what to post? 95% of the board feels the same as Maher on this. You come off like a four year old girl making rules for a tea party. Tell us more about the two year plan and how good we'll be after we get rid of that Ponds kid.
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So no one can answer why he recently started following Dan Hurley and Andy Toole.
Because it's an interesting time to follow them. Very common this time of year.
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I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
I hate being the guy that starts stuff especially when there's probably nothing to it but....
Remember around this time last year when Will Wade was named head coach at LSU and Matt started following all of those LSU accounts on Twitter and there was legit fire to go along with the smoke in the Matt to LSU rumors.
Well, a couple very interesting new follows by Matt on Twitter...
I can say confidently if he leaves the school is fine with it. He isn't getting fired but higher powers are tired of the money gran and he isn't the only one
And no-one has forgotten the article he wrote in the post last year knocking the staff but not him
I am always fascinated with this, last time I checked Matt doesn't have a lifetime contract. His assistant contract needs to be re-upped in addition his boss is the HC of SJU who can get rid of him anytime. This is not some sort of hostage situation, he holds zero power or authority at SJU. Do you think if Mike Krzyzewski is dissatisfied with any assistant he is somehow forced to keep him?
Matt is here because Chris wants him here, you have a problem with that you have a problem with Chris as the head coach, period. Stop making this about an assistant.
it's not about a lifetime contract but people within the school have been annoyed by him always wanting more money since after the first season. This is a separate issue than the coach which is why I didnt mention the coach. Matt wont get fired because they aren't eating any of his contract which I'm pretty sure he got raise last year and I was told he is the highest paid assistant in the big east. Well at least that's what someone from the school said.. DO I want him to leave ? No. But all I said is if he took another job the school wouldn't be upset. And thats a FACT and I'm not speaking for Mullin. This comes from the school as of maybe 4 months ago
Hate to break it to you but this is not how assistant coaching contracts work and Chris controls it as does every HC.
Furthermore if SJU is being hamstrung by its 3rd assistant then everyone involved with the program from Chris Mullin to the AD should be fired immediately.
Furthermore there is no way in hell Chris allows a assistant to negotiate a contract without his explicit endorsement nor would any HC. They wouldn't be a HC then.
And lastly if Matt's contract is so punitive that he can't be fired then SJU does belong in the MAAC.
Give it a rest. What gives you the right to constantly tell everyone how to think and what to post? 95% of the board feels the same as Maher on this. You come off like a four year old girl making rules for a tea party. Tell us more about the two year plan and how good we'll be after we get rid of that Ponds kid.
Have to give him credit he managed to annoy Maher. That hasn't been done since the heyday of Realfan.
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Have to give him credit he managed to annoy Maher. That hasn't been done since the heyday of Realfan.
and Old Red
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Have to give him credit he managed to annoy Maher. That hasn't been done since the heyday of Realfan.
and Old Red
He was a Norm guy if I remember correctly and took Maher forever to become anti Norm so they were "aligned" for the most part.
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Matt not perfect but doing his job, was all over the place last week, including monitoring some JUCO players apparently.
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Matt not perfect but doing his job, was all over the place last week, including monitoring some JUCO players apparently.
My biggest issue was the roster imbalance and reliance on transfers. Buck stops with Mullin but again I didn't really see a coaching issue this year. We lost a lot of close games because we were playing 6 guys and honestly our best player was not shooting well for a big part of the 11 game losing streak.
I get he is primary recruiter. Does not mean he is doing a great job. Just means other guys are doing a terrible job.
As far as recruiting I don't even mean get me 4 star guys. Get me a couple more Marvin Clark's We always seem to be scrambling to fill out roster.
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Matt not perfect but doing his job, was all over the place last week, including monitoring some JUCO players apparently.
My biggest issue was the roster imbalance and reliance on transfers. Buck stops with Mullin but again I didn't really see a coaching issue this year. We lost a lot of close games because we were playing 6 guys and honestly our best player was not shooting well for a big part of the 11 game losing streak.
I get he is primary recruiter. Does not mean he is doing a great job. Just means other guys are doing a terrible job.
As far as recruiting I don't even mean get me 4 star guys. Get me a couple more Marvin Clark's We always seem to be scrambling to fill out roster.
Certainly not saying anything about doing a great job. Just noting he has been out there the past week. I frankly think we rely on him too much, but that’s Mullin’s call.
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Matt not perfect but doing his job, was all over the place last week, including monitoring some JUCO players apparently.
My biggest issue was the roster imbalance and reliance on transfers. Buck stops with Mullin but again I didn't really see a coaching issue this year. We lost a lot of close games because we were playing 6 guys and honestly our best player was not shooting well for a big part of the 11 game losing streak.
I get he is primary recruiter. Does not mean he is doing a great job. Just means other guys are doing a terrible job.
As far as recruiting I don't even mean get me 4 star guys. Get me a couple more Marvin Clark's We always seem to be scrambling to fill out roster.
Certainly not saying anything about doing a great job. Just noting he has been out there the past week. I frankly think we rely on him too much, but that’s Mullin’s call.
Mullin said after he was hired , that he was going to check out all the local gyms and not leave a stone unturned. Im annoyed that he isnt recruiting as much as he should considering we are short staffed and Mitch doesnt recruit and St Jean barely recruits. Why cant Mitch or St Jean recruit more.
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Matt not perfect but doing his job, was all over the place last week, including monitoring some JUCO players apparently.
My biggest issue was the roster imbalance and reliance on transfers. Buck stops with Mullin but again I didn't really see a coaching issue this year. We lost a lot of close games because we were playing 6 guys and honestly our best player was not shooting well for a big part of the 11 game losing streak.
I get he is primary recruiter. Does not mean he is doing a great job. Just means other guys are doing a terrible job.
As far as recruiting I don't even mean get me 4 star guys. Get me a couple more Marvin Clark's We always seem to be scrambling to fill out roster.
Certainly not saying anything about doing a great job. Just noting he has been out there the past week. I frankly think we rely on him too much, but that’s Mullin’s call.
Mullin said after he was hired , that he was going to check out all the local gyms and not leave a stone unturned. Im annoyed that he isnt recruiting as much as he should considering we are short staffed and Mitch doesnt recruit and St Jean barely recruits. Why cant Mitch or St Jean recruit more.
Reasonable question
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Matt not perfect but doing his job, was all over the place last week, including monitoring some JUCO players apparently.
My biggest issue was the roster imbalance and reliance on transfers. Buck stops with Mullin but again I didn't really see a coaching issue this year. We lost a lot of close games because we were playing 6 guys and honestly our best player was not shooting well for a big part of the 11 game losing streak.
I get he is primary recruiter. Does not mean he is doing a great job. Just means other guys are doing a terrible job.
As far as recruiting I don't even mean get me 4 star guys. Get me a couple more Marvin Clark's We always seem to be scrambling to fill out roster.
If only one guy is recruiting, Matt, then it is hard to blame him for the turnstile roster. That is a by product of Mullin the general manager of the team. The general manager put himself and the program in a position of employing only one recruiter.
It will be disappointing if the entire coaching staff comes back intact. Mike Rice would fill two roles.
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Matt not perfect but doing his job, was all over the place last week, including monitoring some JUCO players apparently.
My biggest issue was the roster imbalance and reliance on transfers. Buck stops with Mullin but again I didn't really see a coaching issue this year. We lost a lot of close games because we were playing 6 guys and honestly our best player was not shooting well for a big part of the 11 game losing streak.
I get he is primary recruiter. Does not mean he is doing a great job. Just means other guys are doing a terrible job.
As far as recruiting I don't even mean get me 4 star guys. Get me a couple more Marvin Clark's We always seem to be scrambling to fill out roster.
If only one guy is recruiting, Matt, then it is hard to blame him for the turnstile roster. That is a by product of Mullin the general manager of the team. The general manager put himself and the program in a position of employing only one recruiter.
It will be disappointing if the entire coaching staff comes back intact. Mike Rice would fill two roles.
I believe that ship has sailed
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Backed the wrong guy
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Backed the wrong guy
Are people kicking down Slice’s door to hire him?
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Besides Baldi?
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Have to give him credit he managed to annoy Maher. That hasn't been done since the heyday of Realfan.
and Old Red
He was a Norm guy if I remember correctly and took Maher forever to become anti Norm so they were "aligned" for the most part.
Haaaa yeah. I wasn't exactly a true Normie because I didnt want to hire him but I definitely supported him for at least 4 years. I think I turned his second to last year and by the last year I was so insane I was hoping we didnt make the NCAA's because I wanted Norm gone so bad but yeah in the beginning once he was already hired I was in his corner
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Matt not perfect but doing his job, was all over the place last week, including monitoring some JUCO players apparently.
My biggest issue was the roster imbalance and reliance on transfers. Buck stops with Mullin but again I didn't really see a coaching issue this year. We lost a lot of close games because we were playing 6 guys and honestly our best player was not shooting well for a big part of the 11 game losing streak.
I get he is primary recruiter. Does not mean he is doing a great job. Just means other guys are doing a terrible job.
As far as recruiting I don't even mean get me 4 star guys. Get me a couple more Marvin Clark's We always seem to be scrambling to fill out roster.
If only one guy is recruiting, Matt, then it is hard to blame him for the turnstile roster. That is a by product of Mullin the general manager of the team. The general manager put himself and the program in a position of employing only one recruiter.
It will be disappointing if the entire coaching staff comes back intact. Mike Rice would fill two roles.
Agreed but like Paultz said I dont think Rice is happening now which is ashamed because I would be 100% in favor of that
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Matt not perfect but doing his job, was all over the place last week, including monitoring some JUCO players apparently.
My biggest issue was the roster imbalance and reliance on transfers. Buck stops with Mullin but again I didn't really see a coaching issue this year. We lost a lot of close games because we were playing 6 guys and honestly our best player was not shooting well for a big part of the 11 game losing streak.
I get he is primary recruiter. Does not mean he is doing a great job. Just means other guys are doing a terrible job.
As far as recruiting I don't even mean get me 4 star guys. Get me a couple more Marvin Clark's We always seem to be scrambling to fill out roster.
Certainly not saying anything about doing a great job. Just noting he has been out there the past week. I frankly think we rely on him too much, but that’s Mullin’s call.
Mullin said after he was hired , that he was going to check out all the local gyms and not leave a stone unturned. Im annoyed that he isnt recruiting as much as he should considering we are short staffed and Mitch doesnt recruit and St Jean barely recruits. Why cant Mitch or St Jean recruit more.
It's ridiculous that they dont recruit. And recruiting a couple players Jordan Brown included doesn't get much cred in my book because you need to have a lot of stokes in the fire because recruiting is so unpredictable
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Backed the wrong guy
Are people kicking down Slice’s door to hire him?
We got 9th place locked up boys
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Slice? Why the fck would he come back here?
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Backed the wrong guy
Are people kicking down Slice’s door to hire him?
We got 9th place locked up boys
How we do with Slice?
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Backed the wrong guy
Are people kicking down Slice’s door to hire him?
We got 9th place locked up boys
How we do with Slice?
Who know. We do know how we did with MAtt
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Backed the wrong guy
Are people kicking down Slice’s door to hire him?
We got 9th place locked up boys
How we do with Slice?
Who know. We do know how we did with MAtt
His one year here was pretty bad. He wiffed on all of his recruits. No idea if it would have gotten better. Matt isn’t perfect by any means but I do think he is doing a decent job bringing in kids. What happens once they get here is another story.
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Backed the wrong guy
Are people kicking down Slice’s door to hire him?
We got 9th place locked up boys
How we do with Slice?
Who know. We do know how we did with MAtt
His one year here was pretty bad. He wiffed on all of his recruits. No idea if it would have gotten better. Matt isn’t perfect by any means but I do think he is doing a decent job bringing in kids. What happens once they get here is another story.
And here we are
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I dont think Matt is doing a bad job bringing in players. I think if you have 2 guys recruiting minimum you have twice the amount of potential recruits to choose from
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I dont think Matt is doing a bad job bringing in players. I think if you have 2 guys recruiting minimum you have twice the amount of potential recruits to choose from
9th place with matt's guys. He was hired to recruit
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So was slice and unfortunately, he still is getting paid. Kind of jamming finances up. Baldi, who did Slice bring here?
Herron? That didn’t work. Really no one and if he did get a recruit we would be in the middle of an FBI investigation.
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Listen, Matt has done an excellent job. The problem is that he’s out only
Recruiter. The rest of the staff isn’t pulling any weight. It starts with the head coach., lack of AHC etc. To blame Abdelmassih is stupid.
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Yes. Matt is doing an excellent job
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The whole staff is flawed
Matt only recruits and does nothing in game but hold his piece of paoer, and likely little in practice
Richmond does little in game, no recruiting, and hopefully something in practice
Mullin does little recruiting, getting better in game and hopefully developing
St Jean does almost all in game, likely coordinates all practice, film sessions etc and at least makes an attempt to recruit
If St Jean had college HC aspirations, I can see it.
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The whole staff is flawed
Matt only recruits and does nothing on game and likely in practice
Richmond does little in game, no recruiting, and hopefully something in practice
Mullin does little recruiting, getting better in game and hopefully developing
St Jean does almost all in game, likely coordinates all practice, film sessions etc and at least makes an attempt to recruit
If St Jean had college HC aspirations, I can see it.
This is bs. Matt is the best. He deserves another raise. He we to St John's for chrissakes
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Yes. Matt is doing an excellent job
Again, what’s your basis for criticism? Lovett? We also beat nova and duke
Back to back. We hit a rut after losing Lovett but that isn’t Matt’s issue. We are also recruiting at a huge disadvantage without other recruiters. We are recruiting with 1 recruiter to other teams putting at least 3 out...
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Yes. Matt is doing an excellent job
Again, what’s your basis for criticism? Lovett? We also beat nova and duke
Back to back. We hit a rut after losing Lovett but that isn’t Matt’s issue. We are also recruiting at a huge disadvantage without other recruiters. We are recruiting with 1 recruiter to other teams putting at least 3 out...
Why was Matt hired? And why was he given a raise?
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Yes. Matt is doing an excellent job
Again, what’s your basis for criticism? Lovett? We also beat nova and duke
Back to back. We hit a rut after losing Lovett but that isn’t Matt’s issue. We are also recruiting at a huge disadvantage without other recruiters. We are recruiting with 1 recruiter to other teams putting at least 3 out...
Why was Matt hired? And why was he given a raise?
So you have something to complain about in the off-season. Carry on.
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Yes. Matt is doing an excellent job
Again, what’s your basis for criticism? Lovett? We also beat nova and duke
Back to back. We hit a rut after losing Lovett but that isn’t Matt’s issue. We are also recruiting at a huge disadvantage without other recruiters. We are recruiting with 1 recruiter to other teams putting at least 3 out...
Why was Matt hired? And why was he given a raise?
So you have something to complain about in the off-season. Carry on.
What a puss e answer that was . Come now
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Yes. Matt is doing an excellent job
Again, what’s your basis for criticism? Lovett? We also beat nova and duke
Back to back. We hit a rut after losing Lovett but that isn’t Matt’s issue. We are also recruiting at a huge disadvantage without other recruiters. We are recruiting with 1 recruiter to other teams putting at least 3 out...
Why was Matt hired? And why was he given a raise?
So you have something to complain about in the off-season. Carry on.
What a puss e answer that was . Come now
It was appropriate for the seasons-long pablum that dribbles out of your mouth.
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Yes. Matt is doing an excellent job
Again, what’s your basis for criticism? Lovett? We also beat nova and duke
Back to back. We hit a rut after losing Lovett but that isn’t Matt’s issue. We are also recruiting at a huge disadvantage without other recruiters. We are recruiting with 1 recruiter to other teams putting at least 3 out...
Why was Matt hired? And why was he given a raise?
So you have something to complain about in the off-season. Carry on.
What a puss e answer that was . Come now
It was appropriate for the seasons-long pablum that dribbles out of your mouth.
Great job. Get this man a raise
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Yes. Matt is doing an excellent job
Again, what’s your basis for criticism? Lovett? We also beat nova and duke
Back to back. We hit a rut after losing Lovett but that isn’t Matt’s issue. We are also recruiting at a huge disadvantage without other recruiters. We are recruiting with 1 recruiter to other teams putting at least 3 out...
Why was Matt hired? And why was he given a raise?
So you have something to complain about in the off-season. Carry on.
What a puss e answer that was . Come now
It was appropriate for the seasons-long pablum that dribbles out of your mouth.
Great job. Get this man a raise
We get it. You hate Matt. That's fine. You make the same joke over and over again. You're worse than Tony.
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FYI, see this Spring's calendar mapped out below. The initial Spring Signing date is April 11th and it runs through May 16th--
I fully expect to see the Staff well represented through May as they enter their most critical Year 4 with many roster spots to fill with BE level talent--
(e) March 29 through April 5 (noon), 2018: Dead Period
(f) April 5 (noon)-18, 2018 [except for (1) below]: Recruiting Period
(1) April 9-12, 2018: Dead Period
(g) April 19 through July 5, 2018 [except for (1) - (4) below]: (1) April 20-22, 2018: Quiet Period
(2) April 27-29, 2018: Evaluation Period
(3) NBA Draft Combine:
(4) May 17-25, 2018: Dead Period
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FYI, see this Spring's calendar mapped out below. The initial Spring Signing date is April 11th and it runs through May 16th--
I fully expect to see the Staff well represented through May as they enter their most critical Year 4 with many roster spots to fill with BE level talent--
(e) March 29 through April 5 (noon), 2018: Dead Period
(f) April 5 (noon)-18, 2018 [except for (1) below]: Recruiting Period
(1) April 9-12, 2018: Dead Period
(g) April 19 through July 5, 2018 [except for (1) - (4) below]: (1) April 20-22, 2018: Quiet Period
(2) April 27-29, 2018: Evaluation Period
(3) NBA Draft Combine:
(4) May 17-25, 2018: Dead Period
Got to add in staff's own personal quiet and dead periods.
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So was slice and unfortunately, he still is getting paid. Kind of jamming finances up. Baldi, who did Slice bring here?
Herron? That didn’t work. Really no one and if he did get a recruit we would be in the middle of an FBI investigation.
At Pitt Slice never recruited the 5 stars guys. He wasn´t recruiting the Herron, Maker, Alkins type players.
He was very good getting the local 3 high - 4 stars guys. Players like Shamorie Ponds, Sid Wilson, Isaiah Washington, Jose Alvarado or Khalid Moore.
To get here the 5 stars players that never get (and recruited) at Pittsburgh (winning 25 games per year) was a little dreamer.
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So was slice and unfortunately, he still is getting paid. Kind of jamming finances up. Baldi, who did Slice bring here?
Herron? That didn’t work. Really no one and if he did get a recruit we would be in the middle of an FBI investigation.
I don't think this gets mentioned enough. Why'd we whiff on so many high level recruits, some of who seemed like a good bet to come here? We weren't paying, and now we can see other schools were. That has certainly played a big part in our lack of recruiting. I'm anxious to see how the tide changes now that the FBI is involved though.
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So no one can answer why he recently started following Dan Hurley and Andy Toole.
Because it's an interesting time to follow them. Very common this time of year.
This hobbit has established a clear m.o. when it comes to following and unfollowing players and coaches. To give him the benefit of the doubt about following Hurley is to ignore years of his passive aggressive bulsh*t. If they want the architect of three straight losing seasons (which they don't) who can't coach his way out of a paper bag, they can have him.
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I'm not sure Hurley/UCONN would want him anyway tbh
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
All the more reason we shouldn’t make him irreplaceable by only having one recruiter on staff. We put ourselves in a ridiculous position of weakness here, relying on one guy. Most staff’s have 2-3 guys hitting the pavement hard for recruits and landing them. Matt does that. He’s an asset for sure, but we have no contingency if he did leave and we pretty much have to pay him what he asks for now because we painted ourselves in a corner. We have by far the dumbest athletic department in history. SJU doesn’t know how to put any of this together.. they never have.
It took UConn about 5 seconds to make an amazing hire. Smart athletic departments that do the proper hiring and don’t allow the coaches to make all the decisions to hire cronies.
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
I feel like we've been saying this on here ad nauseum and it never gets any less true. It's also comical how when guys leave like TO or Matt possibly that it's always how SJU is fine without them which is not true. Make or break time for Mullin and staff. He needs to pull a serious rabbit out of his hat to turn this thing around next year. Longshot.
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
All the more reason we shouldn’t make him irreplaceable by only having one recruiter on staff. We put ourselves in a ridiculous position of weakness here, relying on one guy. Most staff’s have 2-3 guys hitting the pavement hard for recruits and landing them. Matt does that. He’s an asset for sure, but we have no contingency if he did leave and we pretty much have to pay him what he asks for now because we painted ourselves in a corner. We have by far the dumbest athletic department in history. SJU doesn’t know how to put any of this together.. they never have.
It took UConn about 5 seconds to make an amazing hire. Smart athletic departments that do the proper hiring and don’t allow the coaches to make all the decisions to hire cronies.
Couldn't agree more!
Let me ask the group this. Has anyone ever seen or heard of a coach, who is in his first job and only been doing it for 3 years, be less involved in the recruiting process? Please do not tell me about a guy who coached in the 40's 50's and 60's as an example. Bill Self, Coach Cal, Coach K, Jay Wright to name a few, all started out in small programs, smaller than SJU and they worked their tales off on the recruiting trails, ultimately getting to a place where now they can rely more on their staff, yet they still dictate who comes.
No one is irreplaceable except for a select few in the college world. However, right now in our case, Matty A is close as it gets.
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
I feel like we've been saying this on here ad nauseum and it never gets any less true. It's also comical how when guys leave like TO or Matt possibly that it's always how SJU is fine without them which is not true. Make or break time for Mullin and staff. He needs to pull a serious rabbit out of his hat to turn this thing around next year. Longshot.
Why is it comical for us to be better off without Greg Jefferies and his dad if he wants ten shots a game? You can't have your program held hostage by kids of his caliber. In a perfect scenario he would come back with 20 lbs of muscle and play a 5th or sixth man energy role. We'd all sign up for that. It's getting a little old that we can't keep guys four years, but that's what happens when you completely change staffs every 4-6 years.
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
I feel like we've been saying this on here ad nauseum and it never gets any less true. It's also comical how when guys leave like TO or Matt possibly that it's always how SJU is fine without them which is not true. Make or break time for Mullin and staff. He needs to pull a serious rabbit out of his hat to turn this thing around next year. Longshot.
Why is it comical for us to be better off without Greg Jefferies and his dad if he wants ten shots a game? You can't have your program held hostage by kids of his caliber. In a perfect scenario he would come back with 20 lbs of muscle and play a 5th or sixth man energy role. We'd all sign up for that. It's getting a little old that we can't keep guys four years, but that's what happens when you completely change staffs every 4-6 years.
It's comical because of the revolving door under Mullin. You only keep status quo when things are working which is not the case here.
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buck stops with mullin. can't blame the assistant for only recruiting half a team, when the head coach should have someone on the staff to recruit the other half. it doesn't make sense to essentially have one person doing all of the recruiting. but that's mullin's choice. if they don't comfortably make the ncaas in 2019, the administration has to make a change.
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
I feel like we've been saying this on here ad nauseum and it never gets any less true. It's also comical how when guys leave like TO or Matt possibly that it's always how SJU is fine without them which is not true. Make or break time for Mullin and staff. He needs to pull a serious rabbit out of his hat to turn this thing around next year. Longshot.
Why is it comical for us to be better off without Greg Jefferies and his dad if he wants ten shots a game? You can't have your program held hostage by kids of his caliber. In a perfect scenario he would come back with 20 lbs of muscle and play a 5th or sixth man energy role. We'd all sign up for that. It's getting a little old that we can't keep guys four years, but that's what happens when you completely change staffs every 4-6 years.
It's comical because of the revolving door under Mullin. You only keep status quo when things are working which is not the case here.
So you would acquiesce to their demands and let a horrible offensive player take 10 shots a game? F*ck that. When you hire a new staff and have no returning players you have to get kids that commit to you for playing time above all else. These are consequences of changing staffs so frequently.
Of course we never learn and many want Mullin fired too. Blood thirsty fans we have.
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
I feel like we've been saying this on here ad nauseum and it never gets any less true. It's also comical how when guys leave like TO or Matt possibly that it's always how SJU is fine without them which is not true. Make or break time for Mullin and staff. He needs to pull a serious rabbit out of his hat to turn this thing around next year. Longshot.
Why is it comical for us to be better off without Greg Jefferies and his dad if he wants ten shots a game? You can't have your program held hostage by kids of his caliber. In a perfect scenario he would come back with 20 lbs of muscle and play a 5th or sixth man energy role. We'd all sign up for that. It's getting a little old that we can't keep guys four years, but that's what happens when you completely change staffs every 4-6 years.
It's comical because of the revolving door under Mullin. You only keep status quo when things are working which is not the case here.
Lavin's last year we basically had 6 guys. It is hard to recruit here and even harder to keep guys.
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Whats Mullin's ceiling as a HC? Maybe 1 tourney in 6 years? Sure as hell isn't a sweet 16 or a big east championship. You think Mullin can compete on a coaching level with the teams in the NCAA tourney? Only 1 team made it past the first weekend this year out of the Big East, only 3 or 4x has the league done it since the new big east assembled. He's not even on the same level as Providence. 1-5 in tourney in last 5 years.
So yes, Mullin should be fired if he does not get in the tourney this year, and yes us fans should be calling for it. 2 million goes a long way in CBB, its about time the school puts it to good use.
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
I feel like we've been saying this on here ad nauseum and it never gets any less true. It's also comical how when guys leave like TO or Matt possibly that it's always how SJU is fine without them which is not true. Make or break time for Mullin and staff. He needs to pull a serious rabbit out of his hat to turn this thing around next year. Longshot.
Why is it comical for us to be better off without Greg Jefferies and his dad if he wants ten shots a game? You can't have your program held hostage by kids of his caliber. In a perfect scenario he would come back with 20 lbs of muscle and play a 5th or sixth man energy role. We'd all sign up for that. It's getting a little old that we can't keep guys four years, but that's what happens when you completely change staffs every 4-6 years.
It's comical because of the revolving door under Mullin. You only keep status quo when things are working which is not the case here.
Lavin's last year we basically had 6 guys. It is hard to recruit here and even harder to keep guys.
Ongoing cycle:
Fire coach, lose players/committed recruits/years of relationships with future recruits, take chances on kids with questionable academics and/or character, recruit kids that want playing time above all else (since that's all we have to offer), jump all over coach for perceived bad recruiting and/or coaching, opposing programs direct recruits to read negative comments on our fan sites, administration holds off new contract due to negative comments, recruiting gets much harder due to negativity and lack of contract, questionable kids do questionable things and kids who wanted playing time and touches transfer when they don't get it, fans want blood,
and coach is fired. Rinse and repeat.
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
All the more reason we shouldn’t make him irreplaceable by only having one recruiter on staff. We put ourselves in a ridiculous position of weakness here, relying on one guy. Most staff’s have 2-3 guys hitting the pavement hard for recruits and landing them. Matt does that. He’s an asset for sure, but we have no contingency if he did leave and we pretty much have to pay him what he asks for now because we painted ourselves in a corner. We have by far the dumbest athletic department in history. SJU doesn’t know how to put any of this together.. they never have.
It took UConn about 5 seconds to make an amazing hire. Smart athletic departments that do the proper hiring and don’t allow the coaches to make all the decisions to hire cronies.
You say this now. Do you want Mullin and staff replaced? Probably not.
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
I feel like we've been saying this on here ad nauseum and it never gets any less true. It's also comical how when guys leave like TO or Matt possibly that it's always how SJU is fine without them which is not true. Make or break time for Mullin and staff. He needs to pull a serious rabbit out of his hat to turn this thing around next year. Longshot.
Why is it comical for us to be better off without Greg Jefferies and his dad if he wants ten shots a game? You can't have your program held hostage by kids of his caliber. In a perfect scenario he would come back with 20 lbs of muscle and play a 5th or sixth man energy role. We'd all sign up for that. It's getting a little old that we can't keep guys four years, but that's what happens when you completely change staffs every 4-6 years.
It's comical because of the revolving door under Mullin. You only keep status quo when things are working which is not the case here.
Lavin's last year we basically had 6 guys. It is hard to recruit here and even harder to keep guys.
Ongoing cycle:
Fire coach, lose players/committed recruits/years of relationships with future recruits, take chances on kids with questionable academics and/or character, recruit kids that want playing time above all else (since that's all we have to offer), jump all over coach for perceived bad recruiting and/or coaching, opposing programs direct recruits to read negative comments on our fan sites, administration holds off new contract due to negative comments, recruiting gets much harder due to negativity and lack of contract, questionable kids do questionable things and kids who wanted playing time and touches transfer when they don't get it, fans want blood,
and coach is fired. Rinse and repeat.
No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
I feel like we've been saying this on here ad nauseum and it never gets any less true. It's also comical how when guys leave like TO or Matt possibly that it's always how SJU is fine without them which is not true. Make or break time for Mullin and staff. He needs to pull a serious rabbit out of his hat to turn this thing around next year. Longshot.
Why is it comical for us to be better off without Greg Jefferies and his dad if he wants ten shots a game? You can't have your program held hostage by kids of his caliber. In a perfect scenario he would come back with 20 lbs of muscle and play a 5th or sixth man energy role. We'd all sign up for that. It's getting a little old that we can't keep guys four years, but that's what happens when you completely change staffs every 4-6 years.
It's comical because of the revolving door under Mullin. You only keep status quo when things are working which is not the case here.
Lavin's last year we basically had 6 guys. It is hard to recruit here and even harder to keep guys.
Ongoing cycle:
Fire coach, lose players/committed recruits/years of relationships with future recruits, take chances on kids with questionable academics and/or character, recruit kids that want playing time above all else (since that's all we have to offer), jump all over coach for perceived bad recruiting and/or coaching, opposing programs direct recruits to read negative comments on our fan sites, administration holds off new contract due to negative comments, recruiting gets much harder due to negativity and lack of contract, questionable kids do questionable things and kids who wanted playing time and touches transfer when they don't get it, fans want blood,
and coach is fired. Rinse and repeat.
No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
I feel like we've been saying this on here ad nauseum and it never gets any less true. It's also comical how when guys leave like TO or Matt possibly that it's always how SJU is fine without them which is not true. Make or break time for Mullin and staff. He needs to pull a serious rabbit out of his hat to turn this thing around next year. Longshot.
Why is it comical for us to be better off without Greg Jefferies and his dad if he wants ten shots a game? You can't have your program held hostage by kids of his caliber. In a perfect scenario he would come back with 20 lbs of muscle and play a 5th or sixth man energy role. We'd all sign up for that. It's getting a little old that we can't keep guys four years, but that's what happens when you completely change staffs every 4-6 years.
It's comical because of the revolving door under Mullin. You only keep status quo when things are working which is not the case here.
So you would acquiesce to their demands and let a horrible offensive player take 10 shots a game? F*ck that. When you hire a new staff and have no returning players you have to get kids that commit to you for playing time above all else. These are consequences of changing staffs so frequently.
Of course we never learn and many want Mullin fired too. Blood thirsty fans we have.
No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
I feel like we've been saying this on here ad nauseum and it never gets any less true. It's also comical how when guys leave like TO or Matt possibly that it's always how SJU is fine without them which is not true. Make or break time for Mullin and staff. He needs to pull a serious rabbit out of his hat to turn this thing around next year. Longshot.
Why is it comical for us to be better off without Greg Jefferies and his dad if he wants ten shots a game? You can't have your program held hostage by kids of his caliber. In a perfect scenario he would come back with 20 lbs of muscle and play a 5th or sixth man energy role. We'd all sign up for that. It's getting a little old that we can't keep guys four years, but that's what happens when you completely change staffs every 4-6 years.
It's comical because of the revolving door under Mullin. You only keep status quo when things are working which is not the case here.
Lavin's last year we basically had 6 guys. It is hard to recruit here and even harder to keep guys.
Ongoing cycle:
Fire coach, lose players/committed recruits/years of relationships with future recruits, take chances on kids with questionable academics and/or character, recruit kids that want playing time above all else (since that's all we have to offer), jump all over coach for perceived bad recruiting and/or coaching, opposing programs direct recruits to read negative comments on our fan sites, administration holds off new contract due to negative comments, recruiting gets much harder due to negativity and lack of contract, questionable kids do questionable things and kids who wanted playing time and touches transfer when they don't get it, fans want blood,
and coach is fired. Rinse and repeat.
Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
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Why isn't St. Jean hitting the pavement hard recruiting? Do we know that he is not or are we assuming he is not.
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
I feel like we've been saying this on here ad nauseum and it never gets any less true. It's also comical how when guys leave like TO or Matt possibly that it's always how SJU is fine without them which is not true. Make or break time for Mullin and staff. He needs to pull a serious rabbit out of his hat to turn this thing around next year. Longshot.
Why is it comical for us to be better off without Greg Jefferies and his dad if he wants ten shots a game? You can't have your program held hostage by kids of his caliber. In a perfect scenario he would come back with 20 lbs of muscle and play a 5th or sixth man energy role. We'd all sign up for that. It's getting a little old that we can't keep guys four years, but that's what happens when you completely change staffs every 4-6 years.
It's comical because of the revolving door under Mullin. You only keep status quo when things are working which is not the case here.
Lavin's last year we basically had 6 guys. It is hard to recruit here and even harder to keep guys.
Yes it is hard to recruit. Especially when you don't.
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
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No one wants these band of misfits, we call a staff except for Matty A, folks. Sorry to break the news to everyone who thinks Mullin is going to turn this ship around- He isn't. If SJU had a competent staff, who could develop players and coach them up, SJU would of won more than 16 games last year. Its not the talent that is coming in that is the problem, its the talent leaving and the lack of coaching.
We have one recruiter who is trying to make up for all the kids Mullin loses YOY. Folks around the country see this, and if Matty A wants out, he will have a new job quicker than anyone wants to believe.
I feel like we've been saying this on here ad nauseum and it never gets any less true. It's also comical how when guys leave like TO or Matt possibly that it's always how SJU is fine without them which is not true. Make or break time for Mullin and staff. He needs to pull a serious rabbit out of his hat to turn this thing around next year. Longshot.
Why is it comical for us to be better off without Greg Jefferies and his dad if he wants ten shots a game? You can't have your program held hostage by kids of his caliber. In a perfect scenario he would come back with 20 lbs of muscle and play a 5th or sixth man energy role. We'd all sign up for that. It's getting a little old that we can't keep guys four years, but that's what happens when you completely change staffs every 4-6 years.
It's comical because of the revolving door under Mullin. You only keep status quo when things are working which is not the case here.
Lavin's last year we basically had 6 guys. It is hard to recruit here and even harder to keep guys.
Yes it is hard to recruit. Especially when you don't.
Haha! I hear 'ya!
It's probably not exactly easy to recruit to St. John's, but it's likely extremely, difficult to recruit here when no one else is doing so other than one person. Being our situation isn't as easy, as blue bloods and other schools of that ilk, then our staff should be beating the hell outta the bushes searching and recruiting kids.
Starting with the administration to coaching.... This is some foolishness.
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
I don’t understand Your arithmetic. Lavin made 2 ncaas and 1. Nit.
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
I don’t understand Your arithmetic. Lavin made 2 ncaas and 1. Nit.
He was actually referring from the 2010-2011 to 2014-2015 seasons that Lavin only made the NCAA Tournament once. That's factual, but any person can make stats fit their argument (although, NCAA Tournament appearances is the cat's meow). Similarly, to how you used Lavin's overall tournament stat during that timeframe (although, you forgot one of his NIT appearances). Factual and the better way to analyze the overall picture. As, I've said before we won 6 games in a better Big East with only 6 players (all freshmen, God'sGift and no point guard).
I surmise some folks are concerned about the overall optics of the program, hence why I believe someone above mentioned about "comfortably" making the tournament next season.
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
I don’t understand Your arithmetic. Lavin made 2 ncaas and 1. Nit.
In Lavin's first 4 years he made one tourney. NIT is useless.
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
I don’t understand Your arithmetic. Lavin made 2 ncaas and 1. Nit.
He was actually referring from the 2010-2011 to 2014-2015 seasons that Lavin only made the NCAA Tournament once. That's factual, but any person can make stats fit their argument (although, NCAA Tournament appearances is the cat's meow). Similarly, to how you used Lavin's overall tournament stat during that timeframe (although, you forgot one of his NIT appearances). Factual and the better way to analyze the overall picture. As, I've said before we won 6 games in a better Big East with only 6 players (all freshmen, God'sGift and no point guard).
I surmise some folks are concerned about the overall optics of the program, hence why I believe someone above mentioned about "comfortably" making the tournament next season.
I indicated that the tourney is all that matters to ME personally. And by tourney I mean NCAA naturally. Where does the Hatten NIT title rank in your favorite Johnny teams? Nowhere, yeah for me as well.
If Mullin makes tourney next year he will tie Lavin. Wasn't swipe at Lavin. It is a fact and around here one out of every 4 years is not bad. If Mullin then does not make tourney in his 5th year he will be less succesful than Lavin in MY grading system.
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
I don’t understand Your arithmetic. Lavin made 2 ncaas and 1. Nit.
He was actually referring from the 2010-2011 to 2014-2015 seasons that Lavin only made the NCAA Tournament once. That's factual, but any person can make stats fit their argument (although, NCAA Tournament appearances is the cat's meow). Similarly, to how you used Lavin's overall tournament stat during that timeframe (although, you forgot one of his NIT appearances). Factual and the better way to analyze the overall picture. As, I've said before we won 6 games in a better Big East with only 6 players (all freshmen, God'sGift and no point guard).
I surmise some folks are concerned about the overall optics of the program, hence why I believe someone above mentioned about "comfortably" making the tournament next season.
I indicated that the tourney is all that matters to ME personally. And by tourney I mean NCAA naturally. Where does the Hatten NIT title rank in your favorite Johnny teams? Nowhere, yeah for me as well.
If Mullin makes tourney next year he will tie Lavin. Wasn't swipe at Lavin. It is a fact and around here one out of every 4 years is not bad. If Mullin then does not make tourney in his 5th year he will be less succesful than Lavin in MY grading system.
I knew what you meant, in reference to the NCAA Tournament and how it matters to you. It practically means the same to me, too. I also didn't particularly think it was a slight towards Lavin.
I didn't initially care about going to the NIT during Hatten's final season being what we did (NCAA's) with basically the same team a year earlier. It was a disappointment. I got into it once we made it to MSG for the semifinals and, of course, championship game.
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FYI, see this Spring's calendar mapped out below. The initial Spring Signing date is April 11th and it runs through May 16th--
I fully expect to see the Staff well represented through May as they enter their most critical Year 4 with many roster spots to fill with BE level talent--
(e) March 29 through April 5 (noon), 2018: Dead Period
(f) April 5 (noon)-18, 2018 [except for (1) below]: Recruiting Period
(1) April 9-12, 2018: Dead Period
(g) April 19 through July 5, 2018 [except for (1) - (4) below]: (1) April 20-22, 2018: Quiet Period
(2) April 27-29, 2018: Evaluation Period
(3) NBA Draft Combine:
(4) May 17-25, 2018: Dead Period
What type of damage are they going to be able to do on the recruiting trail with Mullin as a lame duck? We're in that dangerous extend him or fire him time but administration will just wait it out and then be surprised when he can't get a decent hs recruit to jump on board.
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FYI, see this Spring's calendar mapped out below. The initial Spring Signing date is April 11th and it runs through May 16th--
I fully expect to see the Staff well represented through May as they enter their most critical Year 4 with many roster spots to fill with BE level talent--
(e) March 29 through April 5 (noon), 2018: Dead Period
(f) April 5 (noon)-18, 2018 [except for (1) below]: Recruiting Period
(1) April 9-12, 2018: Dead Period
(g) April 19 through July 5, 2018 [except for (1) - (4) below]: (1) April 20-22, 2018: Quiet Period
(2) April 27-29, 2018: Evaluation Period
(3) NBA Draft Combine:
(4) May 17-25, 2018: Dead Period
What type of damage are they going to be able to do on the recruiting trail with Mullin as a lame duck? We're in that dangerous extend him or fire him time but administration will just wait it out and then be surprised when he can't get a decent hs recruit to jump on board.
That's an empty threat. It's not like he's doing any damage on the recruiting trail now. He's created this situation and now he needs to get out of it. The ball is squarely in Mullin's court. He needs to deliver now regardless of his job status.
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FYI, see this Spring's calendar mapped out below. The initial Spring Signing date is April 11th and it runs through May 16th--
I fully expect to see the Staff well represented through May as they enter their most critical Year 4 with many roster spots to fill with BE level talent--
(e) March 29 through April 5 (noon), 2018: Dead Period
(f) April 5 (noon)-18, 2018 [except for (1) below]: Recruiting Period
(1) April 9-12, 2018: Dead Period
(g) April 19 through July 5, 2018 [except for (1) - (4) below]: (1) April 20-22, 2018: Quiet Period
(2) April 27-29, 2018: Evaluation Period
(3) NBA Draft Combine:
(4) May 17-25, 2018: Dead Period
April 20-22 and April 27-29 are the early live periods. Remember Chris missed them last year because of his hip surgery which also led to him missing his in home with Naz Reid which became a huge circus.
Will need to be absolutely ubiquitous during that period. Also any staff changes will need to be in place by then, if any actually happen.
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If anyone's ruling out a monster class this Spring Signing Period when the program needs it most I think you're grossly underestimating Mullin as a competitor and Abs' ability in the transfer market. Next season is too important, if anyone knows it, it's this staff. You don't think that they knew that Tariq could leave this offseason? There were rumblings on this very board throughout Dec-Feb.
As fans we all get the news either hours before or as it happens. The staff with their backs against the wall know what they're up against at this very moment, what they need heading into the Summer and what their plan of attack is over the next two months.
Like I've been saying, Tariq is replaceable 10x over with the 10-20 other grad transfer bigs that will be on the market. He wasn't a program changing talent and his void isn't that big. Neither will Yakwe or Bryan be should they be shown the door at semester's end.
The idea that there is complete unrest and a lack of grip over this program isn't believable on my end. I still trust Chris, his market value and basketball acumen. I'll say otherwise if it's July 4th and the frontline is still barren and we don't have a backup SF, but I won't bet on it.
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If anyone's ruling out a monster class this Spring Signing Period when the program needs it most I think you're grossly underestimating Mullin as a competitor and Abs' ability in the transfer market. This season is too important, if anyone knows it, it's this staff. You don't think that they knew that Tariq could leave this offseason? There were rumblings on this very board throughout Dec-Feb.
As fans we all get the news either hours before or as it happens. The staff with their backs against the wall know what they're up against at this very moment, what they need heading into the Summer and what their plan of attack is over the next two months.
Like I've been saying, Tariq is replaceable 10x over with the 10-20 other grad transfer bigs that will be on the market. He wasn't a program changing talent and his void isn't that big. Neither will Yakwe or Bryan be should they be shown the door at semester's end.
The idea that there is complete unrest and a lack of grip over this program isn't believable on my end. I still trust Chris, his market value and basketball acumen. I'll say otherwise if it's July 4th and the frontline is still barren and we don't have a backup SF, but I won't bet on it.
If Owens, Yakwe and Trimble leave we'll return Simon, Clark and hopefully Ponds. That makes us a young team again in year 4. No one is ruling any recruit in or out, but Mullin needs to step it up. It's alarming that the guys Mullin has brought in don't want to continue to play for him once they have another option.
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Question, can it be possible Clark can graduate this spring? I believe he will be 24 when the season starts.
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If anyone's ruling out a monster class this Spring Signing Period when the program needs it most I think you're grossly underestimating Mullin as a competitor and Abs' ability in the transfer market. Next season is too important, if anyone knows it, it's this staff. You don't think that they knew that Tariq could leave this offseason? There were rumblings on this very board throughout Dec-Feb.
As fans we all get the news either hours before or as it happens. The staff with their backs against the wall know what they're up against at this very moment, what they need heading into the Summer and what their plan of attack is over the next two months.
Like I've been saying, Tariq is replaceable 10x over with the 10-20 other grad transfer bigs that will be on the market. He wasn't a program changing talent and his void isn't that big. Neither will Yakwe or Bryan be should they be shown the door at semester's end.
The idea that there is complete unrest and a lack of grip over this program isn't believable on my end. I still trust Chris, his market value and basketball acumen. I'll say otherwise if it's July 4th and the frontline is still barren and we don't have a backup SF, but I won't bet on it.
Assume CM out West looking at Brown?
https://twitter.com/scottagness/status/978830214406004736?s=21
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
4/14 9th place season is the same as winning 20 games and being a bubble team. Great argument
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
4/14 9th place season is the same as winning 20 games and being a bubble team. Great argument
Also, it doesn't look likely that we make the tournament next year. Essentially the same team with a couple new hopefully rotation players, and we lose our best big man and 3rd leading scorer.
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
4/14 9th place season is the same as winning 20 games and being a bubble team. Great argument
Also, it doesn't look likely that we make the tournament next year. Essentially the same team with a couple new hopefully rotation players, and we lose our best big man and 3rd leading scorer.
We didn’t lose our 3rd leading scorer. Doubt any other big east team is returning its 3 best players. If we land one grad transfer Big that can contribute for 20-25 minutes I’d say tourney or bust.
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
4/14 9th place season is the same as winning 20 games and being a bubble team. Great argument
NIT is useless yes. 18 wins or 12 wins no difference to me. I thought Lavin did enough to get an extension based off his two NCAA appearances. If Mullin duplicates it is a wash.
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
4/14 9th place season is the same as winning 20 games and being a bubble team. Great argument
Also, it doesn't look likely that we make the tournament next year. Essentially the same team with a couple new hopefully rotation players, and we lose our best big man and 3rd leading scorer.
We didn’t lose our 3rd leading scorer. Doubt any other big east team is returning its 3 best players. If we land one grad transfer Big that can contribute for 20-25 minutes I’d say tourney or bust.
Owens playing the role he did the last 2 years would be a big loss. Owens thinking he needs more shots and not understanding his limitations....There is enough to bash Mullin about. Owns having delusions of grandeur is not one of them.
Ponds, Simon and Clark are core. Hopefully 2 or 3 of new guys can contribute we will make the tourney.
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
4/14 9th place season is the same as winning 20 games and being a bubble team. Great argument
Also, it doesn't look likely that we make the tournament next year. Essentially the same team with a couple new hopefully rotation players, and we lose our best big man and 3rd leading scorer.
We return an All-American who will be an upperclassman for the first time. He learned to carry the team in the second half. We make the tournament if the other guys can just play even or close to it. Keita, Dixon, Williams, and a grad transfer will give this team an entirely different look.
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If anyone's ruling out a monster class this Spring Signing Period when the program needs it most I think you're grossly underestimating Mullin as a competitor and Abs' ability in the transfer market. Next season is too important, if anyone knows it, it's this staff. You don't think that they knew that Tariq could leave this offseason? There were rumblings on this very board throughout Dec-Feb.
As fans we all get the news either hours before or as it happens. The staff with their backs against the wall know what they're up against at this very moment, what they need heading into the Summer and what their plan of attack is over the next two months.
Like I've been saying, Tariq is replaceable 10x over with the 10-20 other grad transfer bigs that will be on the market. He wasn't a program changing talent and his void isn't that big. Neither will Yakwe or Bryan be should they be shown the door at semester's end.
The idea that there is complete unrest and a lack of grip over this program isn't believable on my end. I still trust Chris, his market value and basketball acumen. I'll say otherwise if it's July 4th and the frontline is still barren and we don't have a backup SF, but I won't bet on it.
Assume CM out West looking at Brown?
https://twitter.com/scottagness/status/978830214406004736?s=21
Brown is in Atlanta tonight for the All-American game. Once the live period starts I expect Chris, Matt and hopefully a new staff member to be all over the country up until May 17th @11:59P.
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If anyone's ruling out a monster class this Spring Signing Period when the program needs it most I think you're grossly underestimating Mullin as a competitor and Abs' ability in the transfer market. Next season is too important, if anyone knows it, it's this staff. You don't think that they knew that Tariq could leave this offseason? There were rumblings on this very board throughout Dec-Feb.
As fans we all get the news either hours before or as it happens. The staff with their backs against the wall know what they're up against at this very moment, what they need heading into the Summer and what their plan of attack is over the next two months.
Like I've been saying, Tariq is replaceable 10x over with the 10-20 other grad transfer bigs that will be on the market. He wasn't a program changing talent and his void isn't that big. Neither will Yakwe or Bryan be should they be shown the door at semester's end.
The idea that there is complete unrest and a lack of grip over this program isn't believable on my end. I still trust Chris, his market value and basketball acumen. I'll say otherwise if it's July 4th and the frontline is still barren and we don't have a backup SF, but I won't bet on it.
Assume CM out West looking at Brown?
https://twitter.com/scottagness/status/978830214406004736?s=21
Brown is in Atlanta tonight for the All-American game. Once the live period starts I expect Chris, Matt and hopefully a new staff member to be all over the country up until May 17th @11:59P.
Agree, but doubt there is a new staff member.
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
4/14 9th place season is the same as winning 20 games and being a bubble team. Great argument
Also, it doesn't look likely that we make the tournament next year. Essentially the same team with a couple new hopefully rotation players, and we lose our best big man and 3rd leading scorer.
We return an All-American who will be an upperclassman for the first time. He learned to carry the team in the second half. We make the tournament if the other guys can just play even or close to it. Keita, Dixon, Williams, and a grad transfer will give this team an entirely different look.
Two things: First, we hope to return an All American. Just like he surprised the college basketball world, he could surprise the NBA, too. Second, Shamorie didn't learn to carry a team. He was injured in the Providence game, and when he healed up, he started playing like a beast. He carried the team in November and December, too.
We need a grad transfer big, and we need another big as well. If we land a grad transfer, and he gets hurt, or Keita gets hurt, we're back where we started last year.
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If anyone's ruling out a monster class this Spring Signing Period when the program needs it most I think you're grossly underestimating Mullin as a competitor and Abs' ability in the transfer market. Next season is too important, if anyone knows it, it's this staff. You don't think that they knew that Tariq could leave this offseason? There were rumblings on this very board throughout Dec-Feb.
As fans we all get the news either hours before or as it happens. The staff with their backs against the wall know what they're up against at this very moment, what they need heading into the Summer and what their plan of attack is over the next two months.
Like I've been saying, Tariq is replaceable 10x over with the 10-20 other grad transfer bigs that will be on the market. He wasn't a program changing talent and his void isn't that big. Neither will Yakwe or Bryan be should they be shown the door at semester's end.
The idea that there is complete unrest and a lack of grip over this program isn't believable on my end. I still trust Chris, his market value and basketball acumen. I'll say otherwise if it's July 4th and the frontline is still barren and we don't have a backup SF, but I won't bet on it.
Tariq is replaceable but the question is will Matt be able to do it? Its unfortunate that the entire recruiting process rest on his shoulders. The entire staff needs to be out recruiting, Mullin, Mitch and St. Jean needs to be hitting the trail hard. Until they actually replace Tariq with a better option, his lost hurts.
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It is imperative that we get two bigs for next year. Bigs get gassed very quickly especially playing in Mullin's style where he wants to run n gun. This creates foul trouble when big guys start reaching because they are tired and then we are playing shorthanded just like we did this entire season. You have to have a plethora of big bodies to rotate in the game to keep guys fresh and cut down on lazy fouls not to mention rebounding and all the other aspects.
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If anyone's ruling out a monster class this Spring Signing Period when the program needs it most I think you're grossly underestimating Mullin as a competitor and Abs' ability in the transfer market. Next season is too important, if anyone knows it, it's this staff. You don't think that they knew that Tariq could leave this offseason? There were rumblings on this very board throughout Dec-Feb.
As fans we all get the news either hours before or as it happens. The staff with their backs against the wall know what they're up against at this very moment, what they need heading into the Summer and what their plan of attack is over the next two months.
Like I've been saying, Tariq is replaceable 10x over with the 10-20 other grad transfer bigs that will be on the market. He wasn't a program changing talent and his void isn't that big. Neither will Yakwe or Bryan be should they be shown the door at semester's end.
The idea that there is complete unrest and a lack of grip over this program isn't believable on my end. I still trust Chris, his market value and basketball acumen. I'll say otherwise if it's July 4th and the frontline is still barren and we don't have a backup SF, but I won't bet on it.
Tariq is replaceable but the question is will Matt be able to do it? Its unfortunate that the entire recruiting process rest on his shoulders. The entire staff needs to be out recruiting, Mullin, Mitch and St. Jean needs to be hitting the trail hard. Until they actually replace Tariq with a better option, his lost hurts.
With all the attention on transfers, and with only one dedicated recruiter on staff, is 2019 high school recruiting suffering? Can anyone name one HS senior with whom we are in good position?
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
4/14 9th place season is the same as winning 20 games and being a bubble team. Great argument
Also, it doesn't look likely that we make the tournament next year. Essentially the same team with a couple new hopefully rotation players, and we lose our best big man and 3rd leading scorer.
We return an All-American who will be an upperclassman for the first time. He learned to carry the team in the second half. We make the tournament if the other guys can just play even or close to it. Keita, Dixon, Williams, and a grad transfer will give this team an entirely different look.
Two things: First, we hope to return an All American. Just like he surprised the college basketball world, he could surprise the NBA, too. Second, Shamorie didn't learn to carry a team. He was injured in the Providence game, and when he healed up, he started playing like a beast. He carried the team in November and December, too.
We need a grad transfer big, and we need another big as well. If we land a grad transfer, and he gets hurt, or Keita gets hurt, we're back where we started last year.
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Don’t forget, we also have Josh Roberts coming in. He may be raw but a big nonetheless. I’d like to add a grad transfer big for sure and maybe another scoring forward of some type. That said, the staff needs to start landing some high school kids too. We need another recruiter on staff badly. Talent wins ballgames. Get a proper AHC in here already!
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Lavin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Norm>>>>>>Mullin
Norm isn't better than anyone.
If he's not better then they're tied. SJU undoubtedly made a mistake choosing Mullin over Lavin, and an even bigger mistake choosing Mullin over Hurley. Just sucks now we have to wait for inevitable disappointment, and despair before Mullin either steps down or is fired. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Nova and Duke wins, but the fact that he's not out busting his ass recruiting just shows me he's not only too incompetent but too arrogant as well.
All that matters to me is tourney appearances and when we make it next year Mullin will have made as many tourney's in 4 years as Lavin did.
4/14 9th place season is the same as winning 20 games and being a bubble team. Great argument
Also, it doesn't look likely that we make the tournament next year. Essentially the same team with a couple new hopefully rotation players, and we lose our best big man and 3rd leading scorer.
We return an All-American who will be an upperclassman for the first time. He learned to carry the team in the second half. We make the tournament if the other guys can just play even or close to it. Keita, Dixon, Williams, and a grad transfer will give this team an entirely different look.
Two things: First, we hope to return an All American. Just like he surprised the college basketball world, he could surprise the NBA, too. Second, Shamorie didn't learn to carry a team. He was injured in the Providence game, and when he healed up, he started playing like a beast. He carried the team in November and December, too.
We need a grad transfer big, and we need another big as well. If we land a grad transfer, and he gets hurt, or Keita gets hurt, we're back where we started last year.
The statement that Ponds learned to carry the team later in the year is not susceptible to reasonable debate. He went From a huge piece to Hattenesque and the stats, record, and national recognition support that.
I'd like two big men as well, but one solid big would be enough for me if they also got a pure PG. if anyone can score with their back to the basket and command a double-team down low, that enhanced floor spacing could add five wins.
I think our best lineup against most teams will actually Williams-Simon-Clark at the 3-4-5. Simon will be a killer inside.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
;D Seriously, I saw that 6'4, 6'5, 6'7 lineup and thought he was talking about a HS team.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
;D Seriously, I saw that 6'4, 6'5, 6'7 lineup and thought he was talking about a HS team.
[/quoteMarillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
;D Seriously, I saw that 6'4, 6'5, 6'7 lineup and thought he was talking about a HS team.
and actually Williams may only be 6'2-3 and Clark more like 6'5 or tops 6'6 who doesn't rebound. We were crushed on the boards all year and I thought Marillac like myself likes strong rebounding teams so I just don't get it and it's not like his small front line is made up of great outside shooters although Clark is good.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
;D Seriously, I saw that 6'4, 6'5, 6'7 lineup and thought he was talking about a HS team.
[/quoteMarillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
;D Seriously, I saw that 6'4, 6'5, 6'7 lineup and thought he was talking about a HS team.
and actually Williams may only be 6'2-3 and Clark more like 6'5 or tops 6'6 who doesn't rebound. We were crushed on the boards all year and I thought Marillac like myself likes strong rebounding teams so I just don't get it and it's not like his small front line is made up of great outside shooters although Clark is good.
True. Not sure how anyone can honestly say we don't need more size and rebounding as we were owned all season on the glass. Also a guy like Roberts looks like a project who will take a year or two to develop so Keita is the only true big we have now which is not a good situation.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
It is his way of taking a shot at Simon. Simon is not a good shooter and is to prone but is perfectly fine as a secondary or co ball handler. As point forward he would be fine from 3 spot. Under no circumstance will he or should he play the four.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
It is his way of taking a shot at Simon. Simon is not a good shooter and is to prone but is perfectly fine as a secondary or co ball handler. As point forward he would be fine from 3 spot. Under no circumstance will he or should he play the four.
If Simon doesn’t have the ball, where do you want him on the court?
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
My favorite character on G.O.T by a wide margin is in fact Tyrion. I like putting the best five on the floor. I posted for three years that Dom should be playing PF and C and we probably missed out on two tournaments because Lavin played him at SF. I feel the same way about Simon except I think he is far better suited to play down low than Dom was. Clark played the five in an Elite Eight run by Michigan State and held his own. Now he shoots 40% + from three and can take bigger defenders off the bounce.
Smaller lineups will tire opposing big men or get them in foul trouble. Who would you rather defend Simon or Clark , Mikal Bridges or Paschall/Spellman? EasY answer. Zone us to stop Ponds? 5 guys that can hit the open three and 3-4 good shooters.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
It is his way of taking a shot at Simon. Simon is not a good shooter and is to prone but is perfectly fine as a secondary or co ball handler. As point forward he would be fine from 3 spot. Under no circumstance will he or should he play the four.
If there is one thing I've been consistent about for a decade, it's going small by playing unskilled guys at the four and five instead of the two or three. Simon needs to play in the post or high post offensively when he doesn't have the ball due to his limited skill set. Let him get his drives against a PF instead of a wing. This also opens up the basket area for him and offensive rebounds by others. We can't space the floor if Simon is going to line on the perimeter.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
It is his way of taking a shot at Simon. Simon is not a good shooter and is to prone but is perfectly fine as a secondary or co ball handler. As point forward he would be fine from 3 spot. Under no circumstance will he or should he play the four.
And let me ask you this, who helps on a play where Simon drives to the basket defended by a four when Clark playing the five sets the screen and has to be kept within an arm's length because he shoots so well from deep? Is a guard going to leave Ponds? That's checkmate.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
It is his way of taking a shot at Simon. Simon is not a good shooter and is to prone but is perfectly fine as a secondary or co ball handler. As point forward he would be fine from 3 spot. Under no circumstance will he or should he play the four.
If Simon doesn’t have the ball, where do you want him on the court?
If we have another shooter on the floor, 2 or 3 depending where other shooter is playing.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
It is his way of taking a shot at Simon. Simon is not a good shooter and is to prone but is perfectly fine as a secondary or co ball handler. As point forward he would be fine from 3 spot. Under no circumstance will he or should he play the four.
If there is one thing I've been consistent about for a decade, it's going small by playing unskilled guys at the four and five instead of the two or three. Simon needs to play in the post or high post offensively when he doesn't have the ball due to his limited skill set. Let him get his drives against a PF instead of a wing. This also opens up the basket area for him and offensive rebounds by others. We can't space the floor if Simon is going to line on the perimeter.
Limited skill set???
You are crazy!
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
It is his way of taking a shot at Simon. Simon is not a good shooter and is to prone but is perfectly fine as a secondary or co ball handler. As point forward he would be fine from 3 spot. Under no circumstance will he or should he play the four.
And let me ask you this, who helps on a play where Simon drives to the basket defended by a four when Clark playing the five sets the screen and has to be kept within an arm's length because he shoots so well from deep? Is a guard going to leave Ponds? That's checkmate.
And what happens when Simon has to go up against 6'8 and 6'9 guys constantly? He will get his shit owned all day. Are you being serious with this stuff? It's so f'ing outlandish not sure if you are. No real 4 is going to guard Simon that far away from the basket anyway. He can't shoot a jumper to save his life. Not to mention real PF's would own the glass on him all day and post him up all day due to his height. Clark is a prototypical 3 in a PF's body. Simon is a 2/3 and Clark is a 3. They need real big guys, not some experiment with undersized, out of position players.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
It is his way of taking a shot at Simon. Simon is not a good shooter and is to prone but is perfectly fine as a secondary or co ball handler. As point forward he would be fine from 3 spot. Under no circumstance will he or should he play the four.
And let me ask you this, who helps on a play where Simon drives to the basket defended by a four when Clark playing the five sets the screen and has to be kept within an arm's length because he shoots so well from deep? Is a guard going to leave Ponds? That's checkmate.
And what happens when Simon has to go up against 6'8 and 6'9 guys constantly? He will get his shit owned all day. Are you being serious with this stuff? It's so f'ing outlandish not sure if you are. No real 4 is going to guard Simon that far away from the basket anyway. He can't shoot a jumper to save his life. Not to mention real PF's would own the glass on him all day and post him up all day due to his height. Clark is a prototypical 3 in a PF's body. Simon is a 2/3 and Clark is a 3. They need real big guys, not some experiment with undersized, out of position players.
Everything you wrote is completely false. Clark is a PF that can shoot. A prototypical SF is Trevon Bluiett. Clark doesn't have close to the handle required to effectively man the position full time. Nova plays guys like Bridges and Divencenzo at the three not Paschall or Clark types.
Simon is 6'5 215 with a 7'3 wingspan. He was our best post defender this season and BY FAR our best rebounder. If our biggest fault is Simon rebounding then we are in the Final Four next year. We led the country in rebounding with 6'4 Anthony Glover playing center and 6'7 Kyle Cuffe playing PF and 6'8 Emanuel coming off the bench. I think we can be fine with 6'5 225 and 6'7 240 with 6'9 240 and a 6'9-6'11 grad transfer giving minutes.
And regarding defending Simon on the perimeter, if you don't stop a guy's drive early you are left with two options: try to take a charge or go for a late block. Any coach in the country would gladly accept the defense trying either all game.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
It is his way of taking a shot at Simon. Simon is not a good shooter and is to prone but is perfectly fine as a secondary or co ball handler. As point forward he would be fine from 3 spot. Under no circumstance will he or should he play the four.
If there is one thing I've been consistent about for a decade, it's going small by playing unskilled guys at the four and five instead of the two or three. Simon needs to play in the post or high post offensively when he doesn't have the ball due to his limited skill set. Let him get his drives against a PF instead of a wing. This also opens up the basket area for him and offensive rebounds by others. We can't space the floor if Simon is going to line on the perimeter.
Limited skill set???
You are crazy!
He dribbles the ball to his chin, he stiff arms his jumpers, and he can't reproduce any of his mechanics for any skill consistently. He is a world class athlete with insanely long arms and that length drastically slows down his ability to acquire skills. This is what makes teaching bigs so much harder than smaller players. Maybe by his senior year he will have his skills reach an acceptable level. As soon as he can wipe his ass without falling over he will be an NBA draft pick.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
It is his way of taking a shot at Simon. Simon is not a good shooter and is to prone but is perfectly fine as a secondary or co ball handler. As point forward he would be fine from 3 spot. Under no circumstance will he or should he play the four.
And let me ask you this, who helps on a play where Simon drives to the basket defended by a four when Clark playing the five sets the screen and has to be kept within an arm's length because he shoots so well from deep? Is a guard going to leave Ponds? That's checkmate.
And what happens when Simon has to go up against 6'8 and 6'9 guys constantly? He will get his shit owned all day. Are you being serious with this stuff? It's so f'ing outlandish not sure if you are. No real 4 is going to guard Simon that far away from the basket anyway. He can't shoot a jumper to save his life. Not to mention real PF's would own the glass on him all day and post him up all day due to his height. Clark is a prototypical 3 in a PF's body. Simon is a 2/3 and Clark is a 3. They need real big guys, not some experiment with undersized, out of position players.
Everything you wrote is completely false. Clark is a PF that can shoot. A prototypical SF is Trevon Bluiett. Clark doesn't have close to the handle required to effectively man the position full time. Nova plays guys like Bridges and Divencenzo at the three not Paschall or Clark types.
Simon is 6'5 215 with a 7'3 wingspan. He was our best post defender this season and BY FAR our best rebounder. If our biggest fault is Simon rebounding then we are in the Final Four next year. We led the country in rebounding with 6'4 Anthony Glover playing center and 6'7 Kyle Cuffe playing PF and 6'8 Emanuel coming off the bench. I think we can be fine with 6'5 225 and 6'7 240 with 6'9 240 and a 6'9-6'11 grad transfer giving minutes.
And regarding defending Simon on the perimeter, if you don't stop a guy's drive early you are left with two options: try to take a charge or go for a late block. Any coach in the country would gladly accept the defense trying either all game.
Must be watching two different teams. Don't know where to begin so I won't. Final Four? Try more like just praying to be a bubble team by March.
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Marillac-you seem to really love small and I mean small line-ups. Me thinks you would love us to recruit a team of vertically challenged people. Is your favorite actor Peter Dinklage by any chance?
It is his way of taking a shot at Simon. Simon is not a good shooter and is to prone but is perfectly fine as a secondary or co ball handler. As point forward he would be fine from 3 spot. Under no circumstance will he or should he play the four.
If Simon doesn’t have the ball, where do you want him on the court?
If we have another shooter on the floor, 2 or 3 depending where other shooter is playing.
Don’t mean positions. Meant literally. Where on the floor do you want him?
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First I thought Marillac was crazy suggesting Simon play the 4. But, if you look at Simons skill set and use Dom as an example at the 4, he may be onto something. If we don’t get a grad transfer big, Mullin might have to play him at the 4.
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First I thought Marillac was crazy suggesting Simon play the 4. But, if you look at Simons skill set and use Dom as an example at the 4, he may be onto something. If we don’t get a grad transfer big, Mullin might have to play him at the 4.
Not "may be ONTO something" more like ON something. :) I can see some minutes at the four but not nearly exclusively especially against legitimate teams.
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First I thought Marillac was crazy suggesting Simon play the 4. But, if you look at Simons skill set and use Dom as an example at the 4, he may be onto something. If we don’t get a grad transfer big, Mullin might have to play him at the 4.
Not "may be ONTO something" more like ON something. :) I can see some minutes at the four but not nearly exclusively especially against legitimate teams.
I think it's fairly obvious. Only WASJU and three other posters think Simon can handle like a true guard. His shooting is just ugly (but his jump shot selection is exceptional). His passing is the skill that developed to compensate for his other shortcomings -- like a blind guy with awesome hearing.
How many nasty scoring PFs are there these days with the one and dones and evolution of the game to guys like Durant and the Greek Freak? All these patsies want to face up or shoot bombs. That plays right into Simon. We could switch all five spots. And I dare you to float it over Simon fronting in the post with his ups and 7'3 wing span. The kid averaged six defensive rebounds a game from the guard and wing spots. That's crazy.
Creighton played 6'7 195 Ronnie Harrell at PF and even had him guard Owens against us so they could switch all ball screens.
Paschall-Harrell-Sonago-Wideman-McCallum-Derrickson-Hauser-Sanogo These guys are all 6'6-6'8 and have limited skills inside. None have Simon's wingspan and only a few are heavier.
And please explain to me the big difference between the 3 and 4 in a 2-3 zone? There isn't one.
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Olive Oil could guard Tariq Owens.
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First I thought Marillac was crazy suggesting Simon play the 4. But, if you look at Simons skill set and use Dom as an example at the 4, he may be onto something. If we don’t get a grad transfer big, Mullin might have to play him at the 4.
Not "may be ONTO something" more like ON something. :) I can see some minutes at the four but not nearly exclusively especially against legitimate teams.
I think it's fairly obvious. Only WASJU and three other posters think Simon can handle like a true guard. His shooting is just ugly (but his jump shot selection is exceptional). His passing is the skill that developed to compensate for his other shortcomings -- like a blind guy with awesome hearing.
How many nasty scoring PFs are there these days with the one and dones and evolution of the game to guys like Durant and the Greek Freak? All these patsies want to face up or shoot bombs. That plays right into Simon. We could switch all five spots. And I dare you to float it over Simon fronting in the post with his ups and 7'3 wing span. The kid averaged six defensive rebounds a game from the guard and wing spots. That's crazy.
Creighton played 6'7 195 Ronnie Harrell at PF and even had him guard Owens against us so they could switch all ball screens.
Paschall-Harrell-Sonago-Wideman-McCallum-Derrickson-Hauser-Sanogo These guys are all 6'6-6'8 and have limited skills inside. None have Simon's wingspan and only a few are heavier.
And please explain to me the big difference between the 3 and 4 in a 2-3 zone? There isn't one.
Trying too hard.
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I find it a little comical that everyone on this board seems to think/hear they know what Mullin is doing or not doing on the recruiting front. This is a man who keeps everything he does incredibly close to the vest and doesn't even have extensive conversations with his close friends about what is going on with the program.
Matt A - while I am not his biggest fan, he does work hard on recruiting.... but I also think he loves whispering things to certain media members.. good & bad... while I don't think he is leaving, it would not shock me at all if he does...
People will speculate and offer opinions but the one thing I have clearly learned in the last few years of SJU hoops, there is NO ONE on this board with real insider information.
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I find it a little comical that everyone on this board seems to think/hear they know what Mullin is doing or not doing on the recruiting front. This is a man who keeps everything he does incredibly close to the vest and doesn't even have extensive conversations with his close friends about what is going on with the program.
Matt A - while I am not his biggest fan, he does work hard on recruiting.... but I also think he loves whispering things to certain media members.. good & bad... while I don't think he is leaving, it would not shock me at all if he does...
People will speculate and offer opinions but the one thing I have clearly learned in the last few years of SJU hoops, there is NO ONE on this board with real insider information.
Some people do speculate and offer opinions. Even the people you claim do not have "real insider information" occasionally will do some speculation and offer opinions. But, if you truly believe no one has any "real inside info" or hasn't gotten any "real inside info" in the past few years, then you're fooling yourself.
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Players don't go to Duke because of Jeff Capel, and they didn't go to Kentucky because of Slice. They damn sure don't go to Kansas because of Norm Roberts! Bottom line is Mullin needs to get off his ass and recruit! When you are building a program from the bottom up, its the head coach that does the heavy lifting and closes the deal. Not the assistant. When Lavin first took over the program he was on the road recruiting and he closed the deal!
We need a head coach who can recruit first and coach second. Mullin isn't doing either! Why didn't we go after Dan Hurley?
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He can't shoot a jumper to save his life.
For the record he was the leading 3-point shooter on the team. Three more makes than Lovett in the same amount of attempts. His shot is ugly and maybe that's an unrepresentative sample size, but there's some evidence that he can shoot a jumper to save his life and none that he can't.
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He can't shoot a jumper to save his life.
For the record he was the leading 3-point shooter on the team. Three more makes than Lovett in the same amount of attempts. His shot is ugly and maybe that's an unrepresentative sample size, but there's some evidence that he can shoot a jumper to save his life and none that he can't.
Ian Happ leads baseball in home runs. That doesn't make him the best home run hitter in the game.
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He can't shoot a jumper to save his life.
For the record he was the leading 3-point shooter on the team. Three more makes than Lovett in the same amount of attempts. His shot is ugly and maybe that's an unrepresentative sample size, but there's some evidence that he can shoot a jumper to save his life and none that he can't.
Ian Happ leads baseball in home runs. That doesn't make him the best home run hitter in the game.
Did I say Justin Simon was the best jumper shooter in the game? In Division 1? On the team? No. I said there's ample evidence that he can make a jump shot.
Are you really this dumb or is it just an act?
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He can't shoot a jumper to save his life.
For the record he was the leading 3-point shooter on the team. Three more makes than Lovett in the same amount of attempts. His shot is ugly and maybe that's an unrepresentative sample size, but there's some evidence that he can shoot a jumper to save his life and none that he can't.
Ian Happ leads baseball in home runs. That doesn't make him the best home run hitter in the game.
Did I say Justin Simon was the best jumper shooter in the game? In Division 1? On the team? No. I said there's ample evidence that he can make a jump shot.
Are you really this dumb or is it just an act?
Your points make everyone dumber.