6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: fordham96 on March 05, 2017, 12:28:30 PM
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...is critical for Coach and the program.
Finish up this week hopefully beat a Georgetown team that seems to have all but quit and then give a decent performance against Nova.
Then everything turns to next year. Year 3 can be a telling year with a rebuilding program. I think this is the year even ardent supporters will stop giving Coach a free pass and demand significant improvement. He has his entire core coming back, add the 2 transfers who are now eligible and a very soft middle of the conference that can be pierced pretty easily.
Also critical is the 2018 recruiting class that we all know the staff is putting in a lot of work to land top players in that class to then set their sets on challenging Villanova in 2019 and beyond.
I am not be discouraged by some of the losses as I do believe Coach has plan and is executing it but I do believe that starting this summer and next year this staff starts to get held to a much higher standard.
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Mostly agree. Last year was a complete free pass. This year has shown improvement but still clear there's a ways to go. Obviously the next 12 months will be huge for this program and staff with the major questions being:
- Will Lovett come back?
- Will a grad transfer big be added?
- Will there be a shakeup on the coaching staff to add another X's and O's guy and a guy to help Matt with recruiting?
- Will this staff show they can develop players after Sima and Yakwe seemed to have regressed from last year to this year and Ellison didn't get much better
- Will we land multiple 2018 studs
Should be an interesting offseason. Speaking of which, does anybody know if this year is our turn to take an international trip just before the season? That would be big for us to get extra practice time in early and some games in before the NCAA basketball year starts. That could also be helpful in convincing a grad transfer to come
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...is critical for Coach and the program.
Finish up this week hopefully beat a Georgetown team that seems to have all but quit and then give a decent performance against Nova.
Then everything turns to next year. Year 3 can be a telling year with a rebuilding program. I think this is the year even ardent supporters will stop giving Coach a free pass and demand significant improvement. He has his entire core coming back, add the 2 transfers who are now eligible and a very soft middle of the conference that can be pierced pretty easily.
Also critical is the 2018 recruiting class that we all know the staff is putting in a lot of work to land top players in that class to then set their sets on challenging Villanova in 2019 and beyond.
I am not be discouraged by some of the losses as I do believe Coach has plan and is executing it but I do believe that starting this summer and next year this staff starts to get held to a much higher standard.
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There's no doubt that next season the CS and players are going to be held to a higher standard and rightfully so. I agree.
No more of the rookie or being green excuses. It's time for them to elevate their individual play as well as their cohesion on both ends of the floor.
If this team isn't executing crisper and quicker overall then there's some coaching questions that need to be had because the pieces are there.
Let's get a big man recruit for next year and with the 2 transfers I'm hoping for a ticket to the big dance.
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Mostly agree. Last year was a complete free pass. This year has shown improvement but still clear there's a ways to go. Obviously the next 12 months will be huge for this program and staff with the major questions being:
- Will Lovett come back?
- Will a grad transfer big be added?
- Will there be a shakeup on the coaching staff to add another X's and O's guy and a guy to help Matt with recruiting?
- Will this staff show they can develop players after Sima and Yakwe seemed to have regressed from last year to this year and Ellison didn't get much better
- Will we land multiple 2018 studs
Should be an interesting offseason. Speaking of which, does anybody know if this year is our turn to take an international trip just before the season? That would be big for us to get extra practice time in early and some games in before the NCAA basketball year starts. That could also be helpful in convincing a grad transfer to come
Last trip was ryssheed's fresh year so yes we are eligible. Think we probably would have heard about it tho. Perhaps staff is saving it as a recruiting pitch for the 18 class.
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Agreed on all accounts. Lovett coming back is huge for the program.
I expect a leap next year, not sure to what degree yet but I expect one. Just as i expected a moderate leap this year and it happened.
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Personally I don't think losing Lovett breaks us for next year. I've been disappointed by his game. Statistically he's got his numbers, but his decision making at PG leaves a lot to be desired. This isn't a 18 year old freshmen. He's 21 and was around the program last year. At some point you got to say is he worth all the drama?
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Even with a transfer out, the continuity from this season to next will be something we have only experienced a few times in the 2000's.
Ponds has to be a frontrunner for conference P.O.Y.
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Even with a transfer out, the continuity from this season to next will be something we have only experienced a few times in the 2000's.
Ponds has to be a frontrunner for conference P.O.Y.
Not with Martin, Brunson, Delgado, Carrington, Foster and Bluiett all most likely coming back
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if everyone comes back their will be plenty of talent next year. We need to add a defensive coach.
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Think we are in good shape. Word on the street Lovett leaning towards coming back
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Think we are in good shape. Word on the street Lovett leaning towards coming back
Where would he go?
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Think we are in good shape. Word on the street Lovett leaning towards coming back
Where would he go?
Pro somewhere I guess. He hasn't stayed in 1 spot for more than a year
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Think we are in good shape. Word on the street Lovett leaning towards coming back
that would be great news
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Think we are in good shape. Word on the street Lovett leaning towards coming back
Great news...fingers crossed...thanks for the update
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Next year is huge. Lovett leaving wouldn't be a death blow i don't think but it would certainly hurt us. He was overall very good this year and with another offseason of training and improving he could be special with Ponds and a couple more weapons around him.
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Think we are in good shape. Word on the street Lovett leaning towards coming back
This is Harrison 2.0. Harrison was publicly tweeting he was a one and done. Year two there were whispers whispers and then reality set in. We are lucky that kids can now test the draft waters and get honest evaluation from the NBA and still return to school. Lovett is too short and too frail to have a shot at this point.
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...is critical for Coach and the program.
Finish up this week hopefully beat a Georgetown team that seems to have all but quit and then give a decent performance against Nova.
Then everything turns to next year. Year 3 can be a telling year with a rebuilding program. I think this is the year even ardent supporters will stop giving Coach a free pass and demand significant improvement. He has his entire core coming back, add the 2 transfers who are now eligible and a very soft middle of the conference that can be pierced pretty easily.
Also critical is the 2018 recruiting class that we all know the staff is putting in a lot of work to land top players in that class to then set their sets on challenging Villanova in 2019 and beyond.
I am not be discouraged by some of the losses as I do believe Coach has plan and is executing it but I do believe that starting this summer and next year this staff starts to get held to a much higher standard.
No question that next year is the year. Last year was a step forward: Lavin got fired. This year was a step forward: better talent, better basketball, better coaching, better results. Next year cannot be a step back: they need to be at minimum a bubble team. Norm stalled in his (real) third year when he went from 16 to 11 wins. Lavin stalled in his (real) year three when they lost to Robert Morris in the NIT with tournament talent. Next year is Mullin's real year two but being an NIT lock is the logical next step. It doesn't matter what he does - because they'll never fire him - but if they don't show further improvement and if the recruiting momentum doesn't continue the knives will come out and probably they should.
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Even with a transfer out, the continuity from this season to next will be something we have only experienced a few times in the 2000's.
Ponds has to be a frontrunner for conference P.O.Y.
Not with Martin, Brunson, Delgado, Carrington, Foster and Bluiett all most likely coming back
If Shamorie comes back stronger and ready to play defense, he could definitely be the player of the year. He was as good as any of those guys as a freshman.
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...is critical for Coach and the program.
Finish up this week hopefully beat a Georgetown team that seems to have all but quit and then give a decent performance against Nova.
Then everything turns to next year. Year 3 can be a telling year with a rebuilding program. I think this is the year even ardent supporters will stop giving Coach a free pass and demand significant improvement. He has his entire core coming back, add the 2 transfers who are now eligible and a very soft middle of the conference that can be pierced pretty easily.
Also critical is the 2018 recruiting class that we all know the staff is putting in a lot of work to land top players in that class to then set their sets on challenging Villanova in 2019 and beyond.
I am not be discouraged by some of the losses as I do believe Coach has plan and is executing it but I do believe that starting this summer and next year this staff starts to get held to a much higher standard.
No question that next year is the year. Last year was a step forward: Lavin got fired. This year was a step forward: better talent, better basketball, better coaching, better results. Next year cannot be a step back: they need to be at minimum a bubble team. Norm stalled in his (real) third year when he went from 16 to 11 wins. Lavin stalled in his (real) year three when they lost to Robert Morris in the NIT with tournament talent. Next year is Mullin's real year two but being an NIT lock is the logical next step. It doesn't matter what he does - because they'll never fire him - but if they don't show further improvement and if the recruiting momentum doesn't continue the knives will come out and probably they should.
Um, real 3rd year? Come on. Norm inherited some talent that first year. He could have come up with some way to beat St.Francis on Carnesecca Court dedication night. But no.
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Um
You should stick to grunting, it's when you're at your most eloquent.
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Think we are in good shape. Word on the street Lovett leaning towards coming back
This is the kiss of death.
Book it, he is gone! Was thinking that based of his lackluster play last 3 games but now that Bluto claiming he is back I would bet the ranch he is gone.
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Think we are in good shape. Word on the street Lovett leaning towards coming back
This is the kiss of death.
Book it, he is gone! Was thinking that based of his lackluster play last 3 games but now that Bluto claiming he is back I would bet the ranch he is gone.
Hahha we can finish in the bottom 3 with or without him.
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Foe everyone speculating on Lovett, I hope he comes back. However, if he doesn't, we have a player with the last name Simon who was recruited by some big time programs. I'm told his game is nothing to slouch at. Therefore, we should be in good shape in the backcourt. It's the front court that worries me.
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Foe everyone speculating on Lovett, I hope he comes back. However, if he doesn't, we have a player with the last name Simon who was recruited by some big time programs. I'm told his game is nothing to slouch at. Therefore, we should be in good shape in the backcourt. It's the front court that worries me.
I never slouch at any player's game. ;)
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Would be a sad, sad ginormous loss if he left.
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Both LoVett and Ponds were unanimous All-Freshmen team picks, along with Baldwin and Patton. LoVett and Ponds basically carried the team this year, playing far better than anyone could have expected for freshmen. Yes, there are things that both can improve at, but they were freshmen thrust into starring roles for a very flawed team in the Big East. You get better by keeping your best players, adding more good players, and having everyone mature and improve.
We need both LoVett and Ponds next season, along with Simon and Clark--I expect that Clark's character and toughness will be a huge addition-- and whatever grad transfer(s) we can add. In addition, Owens, Yakwe, and Williams need to improve and get stronger, Freudenberg has to look as though he can contribute on a Big East team, and everyone else who returns has to be better and play harder more consistently. Competition for playing time is a good thing, and it's fine for a team to have role players that fill a need, like a Mussini.
In year 3, we move to the top four in the Big East and are an NCAA bubble team.
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Both LoVett and Ponds were unanimous All-Freshmen team picks, along with Baldwin and Patton. LoVett and Ponds basically carried the team this year, playing far better than anyone could have expected for freshmen. Yes, there are things that both can improve at, but they were freshmen thrust into starring roles for a very flawed team in the Big East. You get better by keeping your best players, adding more good players, and having everyone mature and improve.
We need both LoVett and Ponds next season, along with Simon and Clark--I expect that Clark's character and toughness will be a huge addition-- and whatever grad transfer(s) we can add. In addition, Owens, Yakwe, and Williams need to improve and get stronger, Freudenberg has to look as though he can contribute on a Big East team, and everyone else who returns has to be better and play harder more consistently. Competition for playing time is a good thing, and it's fine for a team to have role players that fill a need, like a Mussini.
In year 3, we move to the top four in the Big East and are an NCAA bubble team.
If we are top four I sure hope we aren't a bubble team. We need the big east to be big time which means top 4 need to be locks by this point in season with bubble teams 5-7. Due to injury this year we have a larger amount currently on right side of bubble but in future big east fourth needs to be a lock at this point.
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Both LoVett and Ponds were unanimous All-Freshmen team picks, along with Baldwin and Patton. LoVett and Ponds basically carried the team this year, playing far better than anyone could have expected for freshmen. Yes, there are things that both can improve at, but they were freshmen thrust into starring roles for a very flawed team in the Big East. You get better by keeping your best players, adding more good players, and having everyone mature and improve.
We need both LoVett and Ponds next season, along with Simon and Clark--I expect that Clark's character and toughness will be a huge addition-- and whatever grad transfer(s) we can add. In addition, Owens, Yakwe, and Williams need to improve and get stronger, Freudenberg has to look as though he can contribute on a Big East team, and everyone else who returns has to be better and play harder more consistently. Competition for playing time is a good thing, and it's fine for a team to have role players that fill a need, like a Mussini.
In year 3, we move to the top four in the Big East and are an NCAA bubble team.
If we are top four I sure hope we aren't a bubble team. We need the big east to be big time which means top 4 need to be locks by this point in season with bubble teams 5-7. Due to injury this year we have a larger amount currently on right side of bubble but in future big east fourth needs to be a lock at this point.
Based on his indifferent play, vibe I am getting from a couple people who seem to know people, the fact that I like him and we are better with him and the fact that I always bet on the opposite of what Baldi says I bet Lovett is gone.
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Need to see improvement in defensive play so as to create sustained success. Need big commitments for the 2018 class. Laying a giant turd against providence in front of many of those hoped for commitments was not helpful. If our goal is for Mullin to catapult this program into a perennial NCAA team, then we need the growth that similar coaches have faced when rebuilding at similar Catholic universities (i.e., those where cheating is limited) after inheriting a mediocre or awful roster.
Wright
year 1: 19-13; very good recruiting class
year 2: 15-16
year 3: 18-17; very good recruiting class
thereafter: NCAA appearances in 10 of 11 seasons (so far)
JT II
year 1: 12-14
year 2: 13-13
year 3: 18-10
thereafter: NCAA appearances in 19 of 24 seasons
Digger Phelps
year 1: 6-20; very good recruiting class
year 2: 18-12
thereafter: NCAA appearances in 14 of 18 seasons
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Both LoVett and Ponds were unanimous All-Freshmen team picks, along with Baldwin and Patton. LoVett and Ponds basically carried the team this year, playing far better than anyone could have expected for freshmen. Yes, there are things that both can improve at, but they were freshmen thrust into starring roles for a very flawed team in the Big East. You get better by keeping your best players, adding more good players, and having everyone mature and improve.
We need both LoVett and Ponds next season, along with Simon and Clark--I expect that Clark's character and toughness will be a huge addition-- and whatever grad transfer(s) we can add. In addition, Owens, Yakwe, and Williams need to improve and get stronger, Freudenberg has to look as though he can contribute on a Big East team, and everyone else who returns has to be better and play harder more consistently. Competition for playing time is a good thing, and it's fine for a team to have role players that fill a need, like a Mussini.
In year 3, we move to the top four in the Big East and are an NCAA bubble team.
If we are top four I sure hope we aren't a bubble team. We need the big east to be big time which means top 4 need to be locks by this point in season with bubble teams 5-7. Due to injury this year we have a larger amount currently on right side of bubble but in future big east fourth needs to be a lock at this point.
Based on his indifferent play, vibe I am getting from a couple people who seem to know people, the fact that I like him and we are better with him and the fact that I always bet on the opposite of what Baldi says I bet Lovett is gone.
Stop trolling the board
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Both LoVett and Ponds were unanimous All-Freshmen team picks, along with Baldwin and Patton. LoVett and Ponds basically carried the team this year, playing far better than anyone could have expected for freshmen. Yes, there are things that both can improve at, but they were freshmen thrust into starring roles for a very flawed team in the Big East. You get better by keeping your best players, adding more good players, and having everyone mature and improve.
We need both LoVett and Ponds next season, along with Simon and Clark--I expect that Clark's character and toughness will be a huge addition-- and whatever grad transfer(s) we can add. In addition, Owens, Yakwe, and Williams need to improve and get stronger, Freudenberg has to look as though he can contribute on a Big East team, and everyone else who returns has to be better and play harder more consistently. Competition for playing time is a good thing, and it's fine for a team to have role players that fill a need, like a Mussini.
In year 3, we move to the top four in the Big East and are an NCAA bubble team.
If we are top four I sure hope we aren't a bubble team. We need the big east to be big time which means top 4 need to be locks by this point in season with bubble teams 5-7. Due to injury this year we have a larger amount currently on right side of bubble but in future big east fourth needs to be a lock at this point.
Based on his indifferent play, vibe I am getting from a couple people who seem to know people, the fact that I like him and we are better with him and the fact that I always bet on the opposite of what Baldi says I bet Lovett is gone.
Stop trolling the board
Ok Pot
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Time to start thinking ahead:
1)Year 3 means to get to double digit league wins and get at least on the bubble if not in the NCAA's.
2)Year 4 means do as well if not better than year 3 meaning definitely be a top 4 BE team and a NCAA lock and if not yet ready to topple Villanova then the next year...
3)Year 5 be ready to challenge Villanova for BE supremacy