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Title: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 08, 2017, 10:09:43 PM
Nice win over Gtown to get our 1st BET win since 2011, but super quick turnaround with a noon game following a 7PM game.

Been an interesting season but would need a complete miracle for it to continue past this one. I think it gets ugly early.

Nova 85
SJU 60
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 08, 2017, 10:25:30 PM
How many Dante getting tomorrow?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: TONYD3 on March 08, 2017, 10:26:36 PM
Sick day!
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: MCNPA on March 08, 2017, 10:33:41 PM
Go out and play balls to the wall tomorrow.  Tight on defense and loose on offense.  Make Nova work to beat us. 
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: desco80 on March 08, 2017, 10:35:03 PM
Well fellas, the almighty tells me he can get me out of this.  But he's pretty sure you're fooked.

Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: redstorm212 on March 08, 2017, 10:39:35 PM
Play with the same intensity we saw today, and I think we'll all be satisfied with the outcome even if it's a loss.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 08, 2017, 10:41:08 PM
How many Dante getting tomorrow?

My algorithm says 14 pts, 4 rebs, 3 assists for Dante tomorrow
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: desco80 on March 08, 2017, 10:43:10 PM
How many Dante getting tomorrow?

Baldi .. You've gotta stop drooling over this kid.
He's alright.  And he's a paison.  I get it.
But you're giving him too much attention.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 08, 2017, 11:03:12 PM
How many Dante getting tomorrow?

It's Donte. If you are going to overrate someone for four years, please at least spell their name correctly.  He'll score 12 tomrrow.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: prjohnnies on March 08, 2017, 11:18:14 PM
He'll have plenty of opportunities, given that they'll be focusing on Hart, Brunson, Jenkins and Bridges before they worry about him.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: rlogazino on March 09, 2017, 12:00:22 AM
How many Dante getting tomorrow?

It's Donte. If you are going to overrate someone for four years, please at least spell their name correctly.  He'll score 12 tomrrow.

Nah, he has put up 19 and 20 against us this year and we will be tired after a hard fought game today. At least 16.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: desco80 on March 09, 2017, 07:43:52 AM
Anyone think we have a shot today?

I want to be optimistic but on short rest this is a bad bad matchup.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: talkbigeast on March 09, 2017, 07:48:42 AM
After an electric atmosphere last night getting home close to 1am after the second game...Getting ready to head down to the Garden.....Lets Shock the college basketball world today!!!
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 07:49:12 AM
How many Dante getting tomorrow?

It's Donte. If you are going to overrate someone for four years, please at least spell their name correctly.  He'll score 12 tomrrow.

Maybe Mullin should put your boy Ellison on him
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: TONYD3 on March 09, 2017, 08:03:50 AM
Anyone think we have a shot today?

I want to be optimistic but on short rest this is a bad bad matchup.
Short rest may help us. Our guys have to be confident after last night . Short rest probably hurts the fans more then the players. I know I am shot. If we play defense and play with some intensity we have a chance.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Lycidas on March 09, 2017, 08:42:54 AM
As matchups go, this is not terrible for us.  Brunson had his worst two conference games against our guards, Nova doesn't pound the ball inside, and they rely on hitting their 3's.  They are smart and well-coached, but they only play seven guys, so foul trouble could be a factor.

We are playing with house money here because we are supposed to lose, and badly.  We should be loose and play the game for the sheer joy of having one more game to play.  If we don't turn the ball over and hit our 3's, this could be interesting.

(DiVincenzo comes down to earth and plays to his average BE output, not the stupid numbers he posted against us in the first two games.)
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: tnice on March 09, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
Anyone think we have a shot today?

I want to be optimistic but on short rest this is a bad bad matchup.
Short rest may help us. Our guys have to be confident after last night . Short rest probably hurts the fans more then the players. I know I am shot. If we play defense and play with some intensity we have a chance.

There is no way-none, zero, not even a little- that short rest helps. Confidence has nothing to do with it. Tough to "play defense and play with some intensity" when you just got done playing a hard fought game 12 hours ago.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: TONYD3 on March 09, 2017, 09:24:55 AM
Anyone think we have a shot today?

I want to be optimistic but on short rest this is a bad bad matchup.
Short rest may help us. Our guys have to be confident after last night . Short rest probably hurts the fans more then the players. I know I am shot. If we play defense and play with some intensity we have a chance.

There is no way-none, zero, not even a little- that short rest helps. Confidence has nothing to do with it. Tough to "play defense and play with some intensity" when you just got done playing a hard fought game 12 hours ago.
Not saying it will be easy for the players. Saying that they are in better shape then I am. I am at the gym hung over. Will try and leave for the game soon .
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: cjfish on March 09, 2017, 10:22:14 AM
You always have a shot but the odds are long.  Need to get Nova in foul trouble early since they are not deep.  Would like to see our 3 guards going to the hoop early and often in an attempt to get to the bonus and get Brunson or Hart in foul trouble.  Foul trouble is the only way we have a shot.  And, of course, we need to hit our 3s at a 40+ rate.  Hopefully the good D exhibited against GT will continue.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: rlogazino on March 09, 2017, 10:28:53 AM
Last game against them was weird because we started 0-11, had stupid fouls that made players sit out, careless turnovers, and we didn't put our first points on the board until 12:30 left in the first half. Let's not start out like that again.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Wods317 on March 09, 2017, 10:38:34 AM
Anyone think we have a shot today?

I want to be optimistic but on short rest this is a bad bad matchup.

I really don't even think we matchup that poorly with them they are just a very very good team. Quick turnaround and the fact that Nova might be the best team in the country will be tough to overcome. These kids are so young and once the adrenaline kicks in theyll be fine. I think we give them a game but ultimately lose by a dozen or so.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Courts603 on March 09, 2017, 11:17:29 AM
Unfortunately for us, Villanova is a well oiled machine and we are going to lose big.  It was still a much improved season and I'm excited for the future.  A big recruiting class in 18 and we'll be back on top of the Big East.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: TONYD3 on March 09, 2017, 11:36:18 AM
Unfortunately for us, Villanova is a well oiled machine and we are going to lose big.  It was still a much improved season and I'm excited for the future.  A big recruiting class in 18 and we'll be back on top of the Big East.
We don't need to win but we do need to show up. No excuse for them to hang a 100 on us. I have mixed feelings about our future . Last night was great. It may have been an 8/9 game but it didn't feel like it. We have been blown way to many times for me to be overly positive.
I don't think fatigue will be a problem. These are college kids. They need to come out intense. Mullin doesn't have to get into a fight, but he needs to bring energy. Hopefully it will feel like a home game inside. It absolutely felt like that last night.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 11:56:56 AM
Need to shoot lights out from 3 to keep close
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 12:03:26 PM
Lavin has a pundits of makeup on
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 12:04:08 PM
Ellison cmon. Smh
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 12:06:29 PM
The patented Jenkins pump fake gets us in the air every time
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 09, 2017, 12:09:16 PM
Does the scouting report say Villanova can't make 3s?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 12:12:00 PM
Does the scouting report say Villanova can't make 3s?

Guards to play some d
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: mjdinkins on March 09, 2017, 12:13:06 PM
You have to be discipline and not fall for 'Nova's pump fakes (particularly, Jenkins).  That was not a good shot by Ellison.  That's not particularly his game, IMO.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: mjdinkins on March 09, 2017, 12:16:42 PM
See those are dumb plays by Ellison.  Ellison trying to play like he's "the man."  When Ellison plays within himself, like he did last night, he's more than serviceable. 

Today, he's attempting to play like he's "that dude."   
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 12:17:01 PM
Get Muss in
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 09, 2017, 12:17:16 PM
Nova just begging Ellison to shoot and he obliges
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: mjdinkins on March 09, 2017, 12:22:08 PM
WTF is LoVett doing?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 09, 2017, 12:23:43 PM
At least there are better games on TV now
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 12:24:02 PM
Wtf is Williams doing
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: mjdinkins on March 09, 2017, 12:24:14 PM
This could be the point where the game gets away from us.  Flagrant foul and 'Nova gets the ball back.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: mjdinkins on March 09, 2017, 12:26:26 PM
Too much standing around on offense.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: mjdinkins on March 09, 2017, 12:28:29 PM
This team doesn't have a clue about rotating on defense.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 12:28:53 PM
Ponds last back on d. A liteam jog back
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 09, 2017, 12:32:56 PM
This game is over, but it is awesome to see Mussini become a nasty 3rd/4th guard this year.
He and Simon will really complement each other. Every team could use a guy like him.  And his D has really improved.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: mjdinkins on March 09, 2017, 12:34:28 PM
This game is over.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Tha Kid on March 09, 2017, 12:34:33 PM
Ponds last back on d. A liteam jog back

did shamorie piss in your cheerios?  You really like to criticize him...
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 12:35:24 PM
Ponds last back on d. A liteam jog back

did shamorie piss in your cheerios?  You really like to criticize him...

Great offensive player. No effort on d
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: mjdinkins on March 09, 2017, 12:38:09 PM
Ponds last back on d. A liteam jog back

did shamorie piss in your cheerios?  You really like to criticize him...

Great offensive player. No effort on d

I don't particularly agree with a lot of things Baldi has to say, but he's on point here.  Ponds, as well as LoVett, are dynamite on the offensive end, but there are too many times they don't bring effort on defense.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 09, 2017, 12:39:35 PM
Ponds last back on d. A liteam jog back

did shamorie piss in your cheerios?  You really like to criticize him...

Great offensive player. No effort on d

False. He'll be the defensive p.o.y. in two years. He has to play almost 40 mins and score or create 1/2 our points this year.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Wods317 on March 09, 2017, 12:40:29 PM
We are playing terrible and would be getting blown out either way but we haven't gotten one foul call against Nova. Been a couple of plays underneath where they havent called fouls but are calling it on the other end. Makes it more frustrating when you don't get a single foul call.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 09, 2017, 12:41:11 PM
Ponds last back on d. A liteam jog back

did shamorie piss in your cheerios?  You really like to criticize him...

Great offensive player. No effort on d

False. He'll be the defensive p.o.y. in two years. He has to play almost 40 mins and score or create 1/2 our points this year.

Delusional
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 12:42:35 PM
Donte right around him again
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: buckeyestorm on March 09, 2017, 12:44:30 PM
Why we always get blown out by nova
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Wods317 on March 09, 2017, 12:44:59 PM
This feels like every game did last year. Disappointing half, hopefully they finish the last half strong.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: TONYD3 on March 09, 2017, 12:45:11 PM
Not blaming the refs. We suck. But nova has not been called for 1 foul the entire half.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 09, 2017, 12:46:05 PM
Not blaming the refs. We suck. But nova has not been called for 1 foul the entire half.

Because they haven't committed any
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: KJ_Django on March 09, 2017, 12:47:42 PM
Is the user on this board that wants to go Sandusky on Divenzenzo still breathing?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
How's Donte doin
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: TONYD3 on March 09, 2017, 12:48:18 PM
Not blaming the refs. We suck. But nova has not been called for 1 foul the entire half.

Because they haven't committed any
Their was atleast 1. Williams was tripped in Begining of half . Turned over led to a fast break.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 09, 2017, 12:49:43 PM
Ellison is the only player in the country that tries to catch that air ball three 2 inches from the ground three feet out of bounds with nobody near him. Then allows back to back uncontested threes by selling out on a pump fake and then  going under a lazy screen.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 09, 2017, 12:50:28 PM
How's Donte doin

He's being "defended" by Ellison...how do you think?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: mjdinkins on March 09, 2017, 12:51:05 PM
Ellison is the only player in the country that tries to catch that air ball three 2 inches from the ground three feet out of bounds with nobody near him. Then allows back to back uncontested threes by selling out on a pump fake and then  going under a lazy screen.

Most of the team sucks defensively.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 12:51:38 PM
How's Donte doin

He's being "defended" by Ellison...how do you think?

Lol. He and  Ponds should double team. Maybe they can hold him under 30
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: fordham96 on March 09, 2017, 12:52:00 PM
Why we always get blown out by nova

Because they are really good and talented.  Sometimes that combination really wears on teams.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 09, 2017, 12:54:23 PM
How's Donte doin

He's being "defended" by Ellison...how do you think?

Lol. He and  Ponds should double team. Maybe they can hold him under 30

Please never mention Ponds with "baseline" again.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 09, 2017, 12:55:04 PM
It's obvious that there is a significant talent gap between Nova and us, but games like this show there is just as big of a coaching gap between the two programs as well
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: cjfish on March 09, 2017, 12:55:18 PM
Boy they are good, nearly a perfect half....no miracle today
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 12:58:49 PM
Let's get Rich some minutes, see what we got. This game is over
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 09, 2017, 01:00:58 PM
Ponds last back on d. A liteam jog back

did shamorie piss in your cheerios?  You really like to criticize him...

Great offensive player. No effort on d

False. He'll be the defensive p.o.y. in two years. He has to play almost 40 mins and score or create 1/2 our points this year.

Delusional

Nice to see you posting again, Pervis. What is delusional is you thinking your son will play over Simon next year. Please run some drills with Malik so he understands where he is in relation to the boundary. He's dribbled on the baseline and tried catching a line drive missed trey three feet out of bounds this first half alone. As the kids say, that shit cray .
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: mjdinkins on March 09, 2017, 01:01:15 PM
there is just as big of a coaching gap between the two programs as well

They (the coaching staff) have a lot to prove next season.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 09, 2017, 01:02:14 PM
It's obvious that there is a significant talent gap between Nova and us, but games like this show there is just as big of a coaching gap between the two programs as well

🙄
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Celtics11 on March 09, 2017, 01:02:16 PM
Ellison and the team turning back into pumpkins today.  :(
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:02:29 PM
there is just as big of a coaching gap between the two programs as well

They (the coaching staff) have a lot to prove next season.

They have alot to prove in the offseason. Coach these kids up then, not mid season
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 09, 2017, 01:03:09 PM
Ponds last back on d. A liteam jog back

did shamorie piss in your cheerios?  You really like to criticize him...

Great offensive player. No effort on d

False. He'll be the defensive p.o.y. in two years. He has to play almost 40 mins and score or create 1/2 our points this year.

Delusional

Nice to see you posting again, Pervis. What is delusional is you thinking your son will play over Simon next year. Please run some drills with Malik so he understands where he is in relation to the boundary. He's dribbled on the baseline and tried catching a line drive missed trey three feet out of bounds this first half alone. As the kids say, that shit cray .

Uhhh, I must be missing something. I've been one of the bigger anti-Ellison people around here the last couple months
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:08:07 PM
Why is Owens on the bench?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Johnny23 on March 09, 2017, 01:09:47 PM
Let's get Rich some minutes, see what we got. This game is over

Agreed. Now's the time to do it.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Wods317 on March 09, 2017, 01:10:26 PM
Noon start probably has nothing to do with how poorly we have played. Still to end a game at 930 and play at noon the next day is very flawed on the Big East's part.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:10:33 PM
4 of our guys fell for the pump fake twice on that possession.  Not Ponds tho
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:11:33 PM
How's Donte doing
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 09, 2017, 01:14:13 PM
Noon start probably has nothing to do with how poorly we have played. Still to end a game at 930 and play at noon the next day is very flawed on the Big East's part.

Purposely done to give the 1 seed an extra advantage, I'm fine with it
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 09, 2017, 01:14:17 PM
Send Ellison home.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: KJ_Django on March 09, 2017, 01:14:59 PM
Fun fact

All three of Divencenzos career highs have come against st John's. That is an absolute ridiculous star

19, 20 and 21
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Celtics11 on March 09, 2017, 01:15:02 PM
Did you see the game last night? Ellison was incredible, fantastic, scintillating  and sensational.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 09, 2017, 01:16:46 PM
Did you see the game last night? Ellison was incredible, fantastic, scintillating  and sensational.
Marco Baldi would have been against the #9 seed.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:18:42 PM
Did you see the game last night? Ellison was incredible, fantastic, scintillating  and sensational.
Marco Baldi would have been against the #9 seed.

Marco Baldi's squad won the 1992 city championship at Alumni Hall
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: buckeyestorm on March 09, 2017, 01:20:23 PM
Time for a meanliness run
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Celtics11 on March 09, 2017, 01:20:33 PM
Fun fact

All three of Divencenzos career highs have come against st John's. That is an absolute ridiculous star

19, 20 and 21
Can we trade a draft pick for him?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:22:00 PM
Ponds last guy back on d. Rinse repeat
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: fordham96 on March 09, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Tha Kid on March 09, 2017, 01:22:52 PM
Ponds last back on d. A liteam jog back

did shamorie piss in your cheerios?  You really like to criticize him...

Great offensive player. No effort on d

I don't particularly agree with a lot of things Baldi has to say, but he's on point here.  Ponds, as well as LoVett, are dynamite on the offensive end, but there are too many times they don't bring effort on defense.

Not evaluating his statement, but we have a young team who has lots of problems, and a big shining bright spot in the backcourt...odd that the only time I read baldi posting about ponds it is to criticize.  That's my point.  If he was the only guy playing lackadaisical D, that would be a different story.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:22:57 PM
Williams is going to hurt someone
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:24:04 PM
Ponds last back on d. A liteam jog back

did shamorie piss in your cheerios?  You really like to criticize him...

Great offensive player. No effort on d

I don't particularly agree with a lot of things Baldi has to say, but he's on point here.  Ponds, as well as LoVett, are dynamite on the offensive end, but there are too many times they don't bring effort on defense.

Not evaluating his statement, but we have a young team who has lots of problems, and a big shining bright spot in the backcourt...odd that the only time I read baldi posting about ponds it is to criticize.  That's my point.  If he was the only guy playing lackadaisical D, that would be a different story.

Like.I said, great offensive player.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:24:28 PM
Mullin should get a tech now.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Celtics11 on March 09, 2017, 01:25:01 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
We would have had a chance to win most of them if we just had scored about 30 more points or given up about 30 less points.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: TONYD3 on March 09, 2017, 01:25:39 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
I see this as a huge negative. You don't seem to agree. Why?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 09, 2017, 01:30:32 PM
Ponds last guy back on d. Rinse repeat

The kid is the biggest gift this program has received this millennium and you want to put his game under a microscope?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: thetruth8734 on March 09, 2017, 01:31:23 PM
They better remember this when they play Nova next year. Complete embarrassment.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:31:43 PM
Ponds last guy back on d. Rinse repeat

The kid is the biggest gift this program has received this millennium and you want to put his game under a microscope?

Yup. His balls have been licked enough. Gotta play d in the Big East,  or you at best get a noon game on Thursday in March
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: fordham96 on March 09, 2017, 01:33:24 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
I see this as a huge negative. You don't seem to agree. Why?

Not sure what you mean.  I noted this under the Providence game thread as something I expect to see change next year.  Meaning not only do I expect more wins I expect to see them play better and be more competitive in their losses.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Johnny23 on March 09, 2017, 01:34:10 PM
Just don't want them to give up 100 but that's highly doubtful.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:35:02 PM
Great shot Ponds. Nice deep 3
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Celtics11 on March 09, 2017, 01:35:14 PM
They better remember this when they play Nova next year. Complete embarrassment.
Yes remember about the last 18 games against them. Maybe we have been deluding ourselves on how much we have improved.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: TONYD3 on March 09, 2017, 01:38:01 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
I see this as a huge negative. You don't seem to agree. Why?

Not sure what you mean.  I noted this under the Providence game thread as something I expect to see change next year.  Meaning not only do I expect more wins I expect to see them play better and be more competitive in their losses.
This the 14th time that we have not been competive at all. What makes you think we will be better next year?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 09, 2017, 01:38:31 PM
Why is RF not playing? Silly.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: mjdinkins on March 09, 2017, 01:40:18 PM
Ponds last back on d. A liteam jog back

did shamorie piss in your cheerios?  You really like to criticize him...

Great offensive player. No effort on d

I don't particularly agree with a lot of things Baldi has to say, but he's on point here.  Ponds, as well as LoVett, are dynamite on the offensive end, but there are too many times they don't bring effort on defense.

Not evaluating his statement, but we have a young team who has lots of problems, and a big shining bright spot in the backcourt...odd that the only time I read baldi posting about ponds it is to criticize.  That's my point.  If he was the only guy playing lackadaisical D, that would be a different story.

Fair point.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Celtics11 on March 09, 2017, 01:40:31 PM
Why is RF not playing? Silly.
Because it is not garbage time yet. Must wait until we are down 50 with under 2 min to play.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:41:05 PM
Why is RF not playing? Silly.

Yup. Said that 25 mins ago
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Wods317 on March 09, 2017, 01:42:09 PM
Nova playing an unreal game. A lot of it has to do with out poor defense but geez we caught them on the wrong day, they cant miss.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: KJ_Django on March 09, 2017, 01:42:14 PM
Ponds last guy back on d. Rinse repeat

The kid is the biggest gift this program has received this millennium and you want to put his game under a microscope?

Maybe if his name was "Sam" instead of Shamorie...
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: thetruth8734 on March 09, 2017, 01:42:24 PM
They better remember this when they play Nova next year. Complete embarrassment.
Yes remember about the last 18 games against them. Maybe we have been deluding ourselves on how much we have improved.

We should have a shot next year to break the streak with them losing Hart, Jenkins, Reynolds etc. They'll still be really good, but we should also be improved. As embarrassing as this game is we are playing probably a top 3 title contender and defending national champs. Winning 8 conference games this year after winning 1 last year is a huge jump. If we can get up to 10 conference wins next season and take care of business in the non conference we should be in the tournament discussion (wishful thinking).
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 09, 2017, 01:42:36 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
I see this as a huge negative. You don't seem to agree. Why?

Not sure what you mean.  I noted this under the Providence game thread as something I expect to see change next year.  Meaning not only do I expect more wins I expect to see them play better and be more competitive in their losses.

Close wins and blowout losses means that we were a couple bounces away from being a 5-13 team instead of a 7-11 team. Had it been reversed and our wins were blowouts and the losses were close, we were a couple bounces away from being 9-9 instead of 7-11
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:42:42 PM
Wright should get his guys out
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: fordham96 on March 09, 2017, 01:45:01 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
I see this as a huge negative. You don't seem to agree. Why?

Not sure what you mean.  I noted this under the Providence game thread as something I expect to see change next year.  Meaning not only do I expect more wins I expect to see them play better and be more competitive in their losses.
This the 14th time that we have not been competive at all. What makes you think we will be better next year?

Because they will be a year older, a year wiser, a year better and will have some help from two key transfers.  Why wouldn't you expect a fairly young team to improve significantly the following year?  With that improvement should come more wins and just generally more competitive play.

That's not a ground shaking notion.

That's why this staff gets paid and why I expect them to get the team to significantly improve.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Celtics11 on March 09, 2017, 01:47:25 PM
Running up the score-does Mo start pummeling Jay on the hand shake line after the game?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:50:29 PM
Running up the score-does Mo start pummeling Jay on the hand shake line after the game?

Yup they don't like Mullin
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: TONYD3 on March 09, 2017, 01:51:41 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
I see this as a huge negative. You don't seem to agree. Why?

Not sure what you mean.  I noted this under the Providence game thread as something I expect to see change next year.  Meaning not only do I expect more wins I expect to see them play better and be more competitive in their losses.
This the 14th time that we have not been competive at all. What makes you think we will be better next year?

Because they will be a year older, a year wiser, a year better and will have some help from two key transfers.  Why wouldn't you expect a fairly young team to improve significantly the following year?  With that improvement should come more wins and just generally more competitive play.

That's not a ground shaking notion.

That's why this staff gets paid and why I expect them to get the team to significantly improve.
I disagree completely . We have played a handful of good games . Most games we get killed.
Another game giving up 100 points. Pathetic !
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: buckeyestorm on March 09, 2017, 01:52:27 PM
Why does nova still,have the dogs in?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: fordham96 on March 09, 2017, 01:57:31 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
I see this as a huge negative. You don't seem to agree. Why?

Not sure what you mean.  I noted this under the Providence game thread as something I expect to see change next year.  Meaning not only do I expect more wins I expect to see them play better and be more competitive in their losses.
This the 14th time that we have not been competive at all. What makes you think we will be better next year?

Because they will be a year older, a year wiser, a year better and will have some help from two key transfers.  Why wouldn't you expect a fairly young team to improve significantly the following year?  With that improvement should come more wins and just generally more competitive play.

That's not a ground shaking notion.

That's why this staff gets paid and why I expect them to get the team to significantly improve.
I disagree completely . We have played a handful of good games . Most games we get killed.
Another game giving up 100 points. Pathetic !

I don't understand I am talking about next year not this year.

Keep in mind next year will be the first time in 3 years (since Lavin's last year) that SJU will essentially bring back the core of the team.  There has been little continuity in CM's first two years.  His first year he essentially had to put together a complete makeshift roster.  Then many of those kids, Mvouika, Jones, Durand Johnson moved on as well.  And so this year was essentially another rebuilt roster year.  The difference is the kids he brought in this past year are kids that should be here for a few years. 

The continuity itself is bound to make this team better and guys like RF should improve and be key contributors next year.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:57:33 PM
Why does nova still,have the dogs in?

Wright does that all the time
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Celtics11 on March 09, 2017, 01:57:40 PM
Why aren't the refs checking the moitor to see who the ball went off of?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 01:57:54 PM
Glad to see the walking get a hoop
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 09, 2017, 02:00:08 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
I see this as a huge negative. You don't seem to agree. Why?

Not sure what you mean.  I noted this under the Providence game thread as something I expect to see change next year.  Meaning not only do I expect more wins I expect to see them play better and be more competitive in their losses.
This the 14th time that we have not been competive at all. What makes you think we will be better next year?

Because they will be a year older, a year wiser, a year better and will have some help from two key transfers.  Why wouldn't you expect a fairly young team to improve significantly the following year?  With that improvement should come more wins and just generally more competitive play.

That's not a ground shaking notion.

That's why this staff gets paid and why I expect them to get the team to significantly improve.
I disagree completely . We have played a handful of good games . Most games we get killed.
Another game giving up 100 points. Pathetic !

I don't understand I am talking about next year not this year.

Keep in mind next year will be the first time in 3 years (since Lavin's last year) that SJU will essentially bring back the core of the team.  There has been little continuity in CM's first two years.  His first year he essentially had to put together a complete makeshift roster.  Then many of those kids, Mvouika, Jones, Durand Johnson moved on as well.  And so this year was essentially another rebuilt roster year.  The difference is the kids he brought in this past year are kids that should be here for a few years. 

The continuity itself is bound to make this team better and guys like RF should improve and be key contributors next year.

After Sima and Yakwe went almost 180 degrees backwards from last year to this year, are you confident in this staff to make players better from one year to the next? I'm not until they show they can
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marillac on March 09, 2017, 02:02:36 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
I see this as a huge negative. You don't seem to agree. Why?

Not sure what you mean.  I noted this under the Providence game thread as something I expect to see change next year.  Meaning not only do I expect more wins I expect to see them play better and be more competitive in their losses.

Close wins and blowout losses means that we were a couple bounces away from being a 5-13 team instead of a 7-11 team. Had it been reversed and our wins were blowouts and the losses were close, we were a couple bounces away from being 9-9 instead of 7-11

It means very little for next year. We had no big that could score down low, command a double team or even aggressive help, run the offense through, or defend the paint. Those are entire aspects of the college game we couldn't utilize.  Marvin Clark, a grad transfer, and 25 lbs on Owens changes that.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Celtics11 on March 09, 2017, 02:02:52 PM
Glad to see the walking get a hoop
Know you meant walk ons but first thought was you meant walking dead.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: fordham96 on March 09, 2017, 02:05:34 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
I see this as a huge negative. You don't seem to agree. Why?

Not sure what you mean.  I noted this under the Providence game thread as something I expect to see change next year.  Meaning not only do I expect more wins I expect to see them play better and be more competitive in their losses.
This the 14th time that we have not been competive at all. What makes you think we will be better next year?

Because they will be a year older, a year wiser, a year better and will have some help from two key transfers.  Why wouldn't you expect a fairly young team to improve significantly the following year?  With that improvement should come more wins and just generally more competitive play.

That's not a ground shaking notion.

That's why this staff gets paid and why I expect them to get the team to significantly improve.
I disagree completely . We have played a handful of good games . Most games we get killed.
Another game giving up 100 points. Pathetic !

I don't understand I am talking about next year not this year.

Keep in mind next year will be the first time in 3 years (since Lavin's last year) that SJU will essentially bring back the core of the team.  There has been little continuity in CM's first two years.  His first year he essentially had to put together a complete makeshift roster.  Then many of those kids, Mvouika, Jones, Durand Johnson moved on as well.  And so this year was essentially another rebuilt roster year.  The difference is the kids he brought in this past year are kids that should be here for a few years. 

The continuity itself is bound to make this team better and guys like RF should improve and be key contributors next year.

After Sima and Yakwe went almost 180 degrees backwards from last year to this year, are you confident in this staff to make players better from one year to the next? I'm not until they show they can

Yes practices should be tougher and more competitive.  And Sima was hardly here enough to judge enough anyway.

Guys the staff is not going anywhere so if you want to just pound them over things that ALREADY happened as if being negative will change some results that occurred already as opposed to looking and seeing a roster that for the most part is coming back in tact with two eligible transfers and looking to improve ten that is your choice.

But I do expect a jump next year.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: prjohnnies on March 09, 2017, 02:10:38 PM
At game. Actually go to our games. Today sucked. Sure the Dante lovers are happy that he drilled 9000 3's.  Last night was still awesome and happy the kids got a w in that atmosphere under their belt. On to next year.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: goredmen on March 09, 2017, 02:13:18 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
I see this as a huge negative. You don't seem to agree. Why?

Not sure what you mean.  I noted this under the Providence game thread as something I expect to see change next year.  Meaning not only do I expect more wins I expect to see them play better and be more competitive in their losses.
This the 14th time that we have not been competive at all. What makes you think we will be better next year?

Because they will be a year older, a year wiser, a year better and will have some help from two key transfers.  Why wouldn't you expect a fairly young team to improve significantly the following year?  With that improvement should come more wins and just generally more competitive play.

That's not a ground shaking notion.

That's why this staff gets paid and why I expect them to get the team to significantly improve.
I disagree completely . We have played a handful of good games . Most games we get killed.
Another game giving up 100 points. Pathetic !

I don't understand I am talking about next year not this year.

Keep in mind next year will be the first time in 3 years (since Lavin's last year) that SJU will essentially bring back the core of the team.  There has been little continuity in CM's first two years.  His first year he essentially had to put together a complete makeshift roster.  Then many of those kids, Mvouika, Jones, Durand Johnson moved on as well.  And so this year was essentially another rebuilt roster year.  The difference is the kids he brought in this past year are kids that should be here for a few years. 

The continuity itself is bound to make this team better and guys like RF should improve and be key contributors next year.

After Sima and Yakwe went almost 180 degrees backwards from last year to this year, are you confident in this staff to make players better from one year to the next? I'm not until they show they can

Yes practices should be tougher and more competitive.  And Sima was hardly here enough to judge enough anyway.

Guys the staff is not going anywhere so if you want to just pound them over things that ALREADY happened as if being negative will change some results that occurred already as opposed to looking and seeing a roster that for the most part is coming back in tact with two eligible transfers and looking to improve ten that is your choice.

But I do expect a jump next year.

I don't want or expect this staff to go anywhere, but they do need to improve in all facets of the profession outside of actually convincing the talent to come here. All of the top programs in this conference seems to have a big gap over us in in-game coaching and player development. We should make a jump next year but unless the staff improves on that we still have a lower ceiling than we should. Maybe the staff will improve, time will tell
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: TONYD3 on March 09, 2017, 02:14:15 PM
Mullin is not going any where. But If he makes no changes to his staff what makes anyone think the team will perform differently? Are Richmond and st. Jean going to attend a coaches clinic?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 02:19:23 PM
Mullin is not going any where. But If he makes no changes to his staff what makes anyone think the team will perform differently? Are Richmond and st. Jean going to attend a coaches clinic?

Mike Rice
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: easyed on March 09, 2017, 02:57:54 PM
Mullin is not going any where. But If he makes no changes to his staff what makes anyone think the team will perform differently? Are Richmond and st. Jean going to attend a coaches clinic?
As I have said before Mullin must hire a tough defensive coach with college experience at the major level. Mullin and Richmond never played defense at any level. "Run TMC" was all offense no D.   Louie's defense was his slow down offense.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Johnny23 on March 09, 2017, 04:10:48 PM
The biggest move this program makes this off season may not be bringing in another impact recruit for next year. Rather it may be signing a veteran asst coach for in-game coaching, X's and O's and defense.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: paultzman on March 09, 2017, 04:17:32 PM
The biggest move this program makes this off season may not be bringing in another impact recruit for next year. Rather it may be signing a veteran asst coach for in-game coaching, X's and O's and defense.
That will happen
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Celtics11 on March 09, 2017, 04:20:34 PM
The biggest move this program makes this off season may not be bringing in another impact recruit for next year. Rather it may be signing a veteran asst coach for in-game coaching, X's and O's and defense.

That will happen
Only took Mo two years to see what most of us saw from day one. Oh well, better late than never.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 09, 2017, 04:29:59 PM
The biggest move this program makes this off season may not be bringing in another impact recruit for next year. Rather it may be signing a veteran asst coach for in-game coaching, X's and O's and defense.
That will happen

Hearing 2 spots on staff to open. You?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Johnny23 on March 09, 2017, 04:30:43 PM
The biggest move this program makes this off season may not be bringing in another impact recruit for next year. Rather it may be signing a veteran asst coach for in-game coaching, X's and O's and defense.
That will happen

Nice!
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: SJUFAN on March 09, 2017, 04:30:45 PM
The biggest move this program makes this off season may not be bringing in another impact recruit for next year. Rather it may be signing a veteran asst coach for in-game coaching, X's and O's and defense.
That will happen

Who's leaving?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: paultzman on March 09, 2017, 05:07:17 PM
The biggest move this program makes this off season may not be bringing in another impact recruit for next year. Rather it may be signing a veteran asst coach for in-game coaching, X's and O's and defense.
That will happen

Who's leaving?

They have a vacant slot & can reshuffle current titles perhaps.
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: mjmaherjr on March 09, 2017, 06:27:15 PM
Again it will be a bit of a strange occurrence.  SJU would have won all 8 BE games they were competitive in including last night but their 12 losses were essentially blowouts for the most part.  For the most part they had little to no chance to win the 12 games they ultimately would lose.
I see this as a huge negative. You don't seem to agree. Why?

Not sure what you mean.  I noted this under the Providence game thread as something I expect to see change next year.  Meaning not only do I expect more wins I expect to see them play better and be more competitive in their losses.
This the 14th time that we have not been competive at all. What makes you think we will be better next year?

Because they will be a year older, a year wiser, a year better and will have some help from two key transfers.  Why wouldn't you expect a fairly young team to improve significantly the following year?  With that improvement should come more wins and just generally more competitive play.

That's not a ground shaking notion.

That's why this staff gets paid and why I expect them to get the team to significantly improve.
agree with the concept but how many teams above us get younger ? i have no idea. just asking
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Foad on March 09, 2017, 06:42:59 PM
BET recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: prjohnnies on March 09, 2017, 06:43:21 PM
Only "2" if one moves to DOBO. I know you think Matt is leaving but isn't the other just reshuffling.



The biggest move this program makes this off season may not be bringing in another impact recruit for next year. Rather it may be signing a veteran asst coach for in-game coaching, X's and O's and defense.
That will happen

Hearing 2 spots on staff to open. You?
Title: Re: BET Game 2: Villanova
Post by: Celtics11 on March 09, 2017, 08:29:47 PM
BET recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
Thanks, your pictures of The Ends made the season coming to an end worthwhile.