6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: paultzman on March 09, 2017, 02:43:19 PM
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Per Zach B
Asked Marcus LoVett Jr. about returning to St. John's: "I don't know." #sjubb
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Per Zach B
Sources believe it can go either way with Marcus LoVett Jr returning. Will meet with family to figure it out. #sjubb Could go pro.
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Never short on drama around here
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If he leaves will need to pick up a grad transfer PG in addition to a big.
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Per Zach B
Asked Marcus LoVett Jr. about returning to St. John's: "I don't know." #sjubb
If this kid really wants to leave so bad, then we are better off long term if he just leaves now. The key is Ponds. We won't miss a beat with Ponds, Simon, Mussini, Ellison, and a JUCO/last
minute PG recruit.
We should compete for the tournament next year with or without him, but we might be able to do something big in two and three years.
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If he leaves will need to pick up a grad transfer PG in addition to a big.
Apparently they have prepared for that if he splits.
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Lovett and another rotation player already out the door. An Assistant coach actively looking for a power 5 job.
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If he leaves will need to pick up a grad transfer PG in addition to a big.
Apparently they have prepared for that if he splits.
Thanks, good to hear.
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If he leaves will need to pick up a grad transfer PG in addition to a big.
Apparently they have prepared for that if he splits.
I hope we're also scouring the JUCO ranks, too. There are some high-scoring D-1 JUCO guards who haven't committed anywhere, yet. Just do their due diligence.
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This shouldn't come as shock because we have been hearing it for a while. If the kid wants to make money playing overseas then good luck to him but hopefully he comes back. This is the way of college basketball now.
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Music to your ears. You said Lovett was staying a few days ago?
Lovett and another rotation player already out the door. An Assistant coach actively looking for a power 5 job.
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Music to your ears. You said Lovett was staying a few days ago?
Lovett and another rotation player already out the door. An Assistant coach actively looking for a power 5 job.
Yup. Only post what I hear. You guys like to shoot the messenger. Might be better off waiting for what lil Braziller tweets weeks later
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Lovett and another rotation player already out the door. An Assistant coach actively looking for a power 5 job.
Who is the other player?
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If he leaves will need to pick up a grad transfer PG in addition to a big.
Apparently they have prepared for that if he splits.
I hope we're also scouring the JUCO ranks, too. There are some high-scoring D-1 JUCO guards who haven't committed anywhere, yet. Just do their due diligence.
Don't think they are, but we'll see. Have heard talk of a third transfer, "sit a year" type, on radar as well
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Appreciate you posting what you hear. Always. But you've been calling this so music to your ears
Music to your ears. You said Lovett was staying a few days ago?
Lovett and another rotation player already out the door. An Assistant coach actively looking for a power 5 job.
Yup. Only post what I hear. You guys like to shoot the messenger. Might be better off waiting for what lil Braziller tweets weeks later
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Appreciate you posting what you hear. Always. But you've been calling this so music to your ears
Music to your ears. You said Lovett was staying a few days ago?
Lovett and another rotation player already out the door. An Assistant coach actively looking for a power 5 job.
Yup. Only post what I hear. You guys like to shoot the messenger. Might be better off waiting for what lil Braziller tweets weeks later
Not music, But we knew what we had with Lovett. Want to see him back, but at the same time, we can not make the tournament with or without him. The transfers are an unknown.
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He changes by the hour.
Unless a current committed/signed major recruit re-opens that SJU can land they are likely to be in the transfer market for both grad transfer and regular 1 year sit transfer.
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He changes by the hour.
Unless a current committed/signed major recruit re-opens that SJU can land they are likely to be in the transfer market for both grad transfer and regular 1 year sit transfer.
Thanks for filling us in, appreciate everyone passing along what they know.
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He changes by the hour.
Unless a current committed/signed major recruit re-opens that SJU can land they are likely to be in the transfer market for both grad transfer and regular 1 year sit transfer.
I think a quality sign and sit guard transfer with Lovett going pro now is a big net positive for this program. I have no tolerance for pro ambitions from undraftable underclassmen. I'm ready to move on.
We'll need an immediate low post scoring grad transfer, though. Who wouldn't want to come here to play 30 MPG next to Owens and catch lobs from Ponds?
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Anyone who reads these boards everyday shouldn't be surprised by this vague answer when asked directly after his final game of the season. It probably was Zach who was smart enough to ask him too.
Mullin has decades of NBA front office experience. He's as connected as you can be to the league. In the end I believe he'll trust his and Mitch's guidance.
If he wants to test the draft this year, go undrafted, and come back for July SessionII, the revised NBA collective bargaining agreement lets that now happen.
If he wants to compete with grown men overseas, so be it. Much like Jakaar, he's a very old rising sophomore, he doesn't want to be in class with kids 3 years younger than him knowing he won't graduate anyways. This is a means to an end for him, but he wears the jersey proud and was great this year. Either way I like him and hope the best for him. Gun to my head he stays.
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If LoVett can see how he measures up to other NBA prospects and then decide if he wants to stay out or return to school, I think he should.
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All I know is if LoVett leaves I will feel a heck of a lot better after Marillac announces that this is addition by subtraction. ;) :)
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The NBA isn't even in the discussion for Lovett after this season. If he's leaving he's going straight to Europe. He won't even be invited to the combine.
People who want him to leave now if he will leave after next year anyway are nuts. Him staying would be a huge boost short term and long term. Aside from him being a really good player to have next year, If he stays one more year that gives the staff a chance to pick up a sit-out transfer PG or a PG in the 2018 class. If he leaves now they have to find a PG immediately unless the staff is comfortable with Simon being the full-time PG.
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He represented the school well. It's fool's gold to think some JUCO can replace him. See Bashir...good but not Lovett. I hope he stays.
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Maybe Braziller should ask Mussini if he's leaving. Wonder why he asked Lovett? Hmm
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The NBA isn't even in the discussion for Lovett after this season. If he's leaving he's going straight to Europe. He won't even be invited to the combine.
People who want him to leave now if he will leave after next year anyway are nuts. Him staying would be a huge boost short term and long term. Aside from him being a really good player to have next year, If he stays one more year that gives the staff a chance to pick up a sit-out transfer PG or a PG in the 2018 class. If he leaves now they have to find a PG immediately unless the staff is comfortable with Simon being the full-time PG.
I doubt anyone want or hoping LoVett leaves, but what can you do if he does leave? Nothing, other than find another viable option. I hope he stays as most posters.
He represented the school well. It's fool's gold to think some JUCO can replace him. See Bashir...good but not Lovett. I hope he stays.
I doubt anyone believes a JUCO can actually replace him, but it's an option. Besides, you never know whether the JUCO can adequately replace him or not. I also wouldn't base Ahmed's play on other JUCO's.
Again, I'm sure most would like for LoVett to stay, but you have no choice other than to move on if he does bolt.
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http://nypost.com/2017/03/09/st-johns-super-freshman-marcus-lovett-might-go-pro/
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http://nypost.com/2017/03/09/st-johns-super-freshman-marcus-lovett-might-go-pro/
This scoop posted here on the jungle weeks ago
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Maybe Braziller should ask Mussini if he's leaving. Wonder why he asked Lovett? Hmm
He obviously knew about this berforehnad bc he didn't ask Shamorie and they are basically at the same level but it seems like he knew Shamorie will return and Lovett maybe not so much.
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Maybe Braziller should ask Mussini if he's leaving. Wonder why he asked Lovett? Hmm
He obviously knew about this berforehnad bc he didn't ask Shamorie and they are basically at the same level but it seems like he knew Shamorie will return and Lovett maybe not so much.
Probably because he read it here. He should ask Mussini what his plans are
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All I know is if LoVett leaves I will feel a heck of a lot better after Marillac announces that this is addition by subtraction. ;) :)
If I could keep three current players it would be Ponds, Lovett, and Owens. If it's going to happen, though, just rip off the band-aid now so we can recover to make a run by 2018-19.
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As with all our players I wish Lovett well if he plans to leave. But I sure do hope he comes back next year.
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Knowing we have Simon in the on-deck circle I'm fine if Marcus decides its best for him to go pro. Of course, selfishly I want him to return.
I really hope Baldi is not referring to Mussini as the other rotation player. I like what he brings to the table offensively and think next year he gets a few more minutes.
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Knowing we have Simon in the on-deck circle I'm fine if Marcus decides its best for him to go pro. Of course, selfishly I want him to return.
I really hope Baldi is not referring to Mussini as the other rotation player. I like what he brings to the table offensively and think next year he gets a few more minutes.
Hearing both Lovett and Mussini gone
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http://nypost.com/2017/03/09/st-johns-super-freshman-marcus-lovett-might-go-pro/
This scoop posted here on the jungle weeks ago
This was pretty much stated before he played a game. Not exactly shocking news.
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Knowing we have Simon in the on-deck circle I'm fine if Marcus decides its best for him to go pro. Of course, selfishly I want him to return.
I really hope Baldi is not referring to Mussini as the other rotation player. I like what he brings to the table offensively and think next year he gets a few more minutes.
Hearing both Lovett and Mussini gone
Rico will have a BBall job in Italy.
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Knowing we have Simon in the on-deck circle I'm fine if Marcus decides its best for him to go pro. Of course, selfishly I want him to return.
I really hope Baldi is not referring to Mussini as the other rotation player. I like what he brings to the table offensively and think next year he gets a few more minutes.
Hearing both Lovett and Mussini gone
I don't think Mussini leaves.
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Knowing we have Simon in the on-deck circle I'm fine if Marcus decides its best for him to go pro. Of course, selfishly I want him to return.
I really hope Baldi is not referring to Mussini as the other rotation player. I like what he brings to the table offensively and think next year he gets a few more minutes.
Hearing both Lovett and Mussini gone
Mussini too ? ugh I want him to stay
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Knowing we have Simon in the on-deck circle I'm fine if Marcus decides its best for him to go pro. Of course, selfishly I want him to return.
I really hope Baldi is not referring to Mussini as the other rotation player. I like what he brings to the table offensively and think next year he gets a few more minutes.
Hearing both Lovett and Mussini gone
Mussini too ? ugh I want him to stay
This is Baldi. He's like a poltergeist...grows stronger with attention and fear.
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If Lovett returns, Mussini leaving should not be a shock to anyone with Simon coming on board. Where does Mussini get consistent minutes with Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ellison. Would love for him to stay, but with the ability to play in Italy and the potential for severely diminished minutes, I get it.
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Knowing we have Simon in the on-deck circle I'm fine if Marcus decides its best for him to go pro. Of course, selfishly I want him to return.
I really hope Baldi is not referring to Mussini as the other rotation player. I like what he brings to the table offensively and think next year he gets a few more minutes.
Hearing both Lovett and Mussini gone
Mussini too ? ugh I want him to stay
This is Baldi. He's like a poltergeist...grows stronger with attention and fear.
lol but he has been right on some things
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Lovett 's father's basketball training program posted this earlier today. Can't blame kid if trying to hook up NBA.
Just hope the money is enough and sustainable more than a year or two.
WE WIN WEST
@WeWinWest
@NBADraft will make it's decision on @Marcus_LoVett...not our opinions of him as a student athlete...#sjubbpic.twitter.com/vZO5ETlVR2
12:03 PM - 9 Mar 2017
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If Lovett returns, Mussini leaving should not be a shock to anyone with Simon coming on board. Where does Mussini get consistent minutes with Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ellison. Would love for him to stay, but with the ability to play in Italy and the potential for severely diminished minutes, I get it.
I think Mussini has really carved out a nice role as an energy guy and shooter off the bench the second half of this season and only projects to get better as an upperclassman. Simon is known as a defender and slasher, but his shot is well below average. Mussini figures to be an excellent complement to him and Ponds, and he could really help space the floor for them to get to the basket. He's also a great teammate. I'd be very disappointed to see him go.
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Lovett 's father's basketball training program posted this earlier today. Can't blame kid if trying to hook up NBA.
Just hope the money is enough and sustainable more than a year or two.
WE WIN WEST
@WeWinWest
@NBADraft will make it's decision on @Marcus_LoVett...not our opinions of him as a student athlete...#sjubbpic.twitter.com/vZO5ETlVR2
12:03 PM - 9 Mar 2017
If the NBA Draft was 4 rounds this year he wouldn't be drafted.
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If Lovett returns, Mussini leaving should not be a shock to anyone with Simon coming on board. Where does Mussini get consistent minutes with Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ellison. Would love for him to stay, but with the ability to play in Italy and the potential for severely diminished minutes, I get it.
I think Mussini has really carved out a nice role as an energy guy and shooter off the bench the second half of this season and only projects to get better as an upperclassman. Simon is known as a defender and slasher, but his shot is well below average. Mussini figures to be an excellent complement to him and Ponds, and he could really help space the floor for them to get to the basket. He's also a great teammate. I'd be very disappointed to see him go.
Echo this.
A solution for some minutes would be redshirt Ellison. I don't know if thats been entertained at all.
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If Lovett returns, Mussini leaving should not be a shock to anyone with Simon coming on board. Where does Mussini get consistent minutes with Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ellison. Would love for him to stay, but with the ability to play in Italy and the potential for severely diminished minutes, I get it.
I think Mussini has really carved out a nice role as an energy guy and shooter off the bench the second half of this season and only projects to get better as an upperclassman. Simon is known as a defender and slasher, but his shot is well below average. Mussini figures to be an excellent complement to him and Ponds, and he could really help space the floor for them to get to the basket. He's also a great teammate. I'd be very disappointed to see him go.
Echo this.
A solution for some minutes would be redshirt Ellison. I don't know if thats been entertained at all.
Why would Ellison be cool with that?
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Knowing we have Simon in the on-deck circle I'm fine if Marcus decides its best for him to go pro. Of course, selfishly I want him to return.
I really hope Baldi is not referring to Mussini as the other rotation player. I like what he brings to the table offensively and think next year he gets a few more minutes.
Hearing both Lovett and Mussini gone
Mussini too ? ugh I want him to stay
This is Baldi. He's like a poltergeist...grows stronger with attention and fear.
lol but he has been right on some things
Honestly Baldi does have a beat on the street but just because you which way the wind is blowing doesn't mean it won't shift.
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If Lovett returns, Mussini leaving should not be a shock to anyone with Simon coming on board. Where does Mussini get consistent minutes with Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ellison. Would love for him to stay, but with the ability to play in Italy and the potential for severely diminished minutes, I get it.
I think Mussini has really carved out a nice role as an energy guy and shooter off the bench the second half of this season and only projects to get better as an upperclassman. Simon is known as a defender and slasher, but his shot is well below average. Mussini figures to be an excellent complement to him and Ponds, and he could really help space the floor for them to get to the basket. He's also a great teammate. I'd be very disappointed to see him go.
Echo this.
A solution for some minutes would be redshirt Ellison. I don't know if thats been entertained at all.
Why would Ellison be cool with that?
Idk. Maybe a promise of larger role senior year?
This is purely my own hypothetical scenario. No basis for this.
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Lovett 's father's basketball training program posted this earlier today. Can't blame kid if trying to hook up NBA.
Just hope the money is enough and sustainable more than a year or two.
WE WIN WEST
@WeWinWest
@NBADraft will make it's decision on @Marcus_LoVett...not our opinions of him as a student athlete...#sjubbpic.twitter.com/vZO5ETlVR2
12:03 PM - 9 Mar 2017
If I'm reading this right and they will let the new evaluations for underclassmen guide their decision, this will be over very quickly. He's 5'11, hasn't shown he can stop anyone on d, and his team was under .500. Five of the top ten projected picks in this draft are PGs! Then you have to deal with guys like Frank Mason, Melo Trimble, and Nigel Williams-Goss and a heap of other combos in the second. C'mon bruh!
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If Lovett returns, Mussini leaving should not be a shock to anyone with Simon coming on board. Where does Mussini get consistent minutes with Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ellison. Would love for him to stay, but with the ability to play in Italy and the potential for severely diminished minutes, I get it.
I think Mussini has really carved out a nice role as an energy guy and shooter off the bench the second half of this season and only projects to get better as an upperclassman. Simon is known as a defender and slasher, but his shot is well below average. Mussini figures to be an excellent complement to him and Ponds, and he could really help space the floor for them to get to the basket. He's also a great teammate. I'd be very disappointed to see him go.
Echo this.
A solution for some minutes would be redshirt Ellison. I don't know if thats been entertained at all.
Marillac would be on board with this as he loves him some redshirts. Ellison needs all the time in the world to improve. Maybe we can throw in a medical redshirt year too and by his 6th year he may be pretty good. Has the physical ability, has some skills but struggles mightly to put it all together.
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If Lovett returns, Mussini leaving should not be a shock to anyone with Simon coming on board. Where does Mussini get consistent minutes with Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ellison. Would love for him to stay, but with the ability to play in Italy and the potential for severely diminished minutes, I get it.
I think Mussini has really carved out a nice role as an energy guy and shooter off the bench the second half of this season and only projects to get better as an upperclassman. Simon is known as a defender and slasher, but his shot is well below average. Mussini figures to be an excellent complement to him and Ponds, and he could really help space the floor for them to get to the basket. He's also a great teammate. I'd be very disappointed to see him go.
Echo this.
A solution for some minutes would be redshirt Ellison. I don't know if thats been entertained at all.
Marillac would be on board with this as he loves him some redshirts. Ellison needs all the time in the world to improve. Maybe we can throw in a medical redshirt year too and by his 6th year he may be pretty good. Has the physical ability, has some skills but struggles mightly to put it all together.
If Ellison is redshirting next year it won't be here
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If Lovett returns, Mussini leaving should not be a shock to anyone with Simon coming on board. Where does Mussini get consistent minutes with Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ellison. Would love for him to stay, but with the ability to play in Italy and the potential for severely diminished minutes, I get it.
I think Mussini has really carved out a nice role as an energy guy and shooter off the bench the second half of this season and only projects to get better as an upperclassman. Simon is known as a defender and slasher, but his shot is well below average. Mussini figures to be an excellent complement to him and Ponds, and he could really help space the floor for them to get to the basket. He's also a great teammate. I'd be very disappointed to see him go.
Echo this.
A solution for some minutes would be redshirt Ellison. I don't know if thats been entertained at all.
Marillac would be on board with this as he loves him some redshirts. Ellison needs all the time in the world to improve. Maybe we can throw in a medical redshirt year too and by his 6th year he may be pretty good. Has the physical ability, has some skills but struggles mightly to put it all together.
In my perfect scenario we redshirt RF and Ellison, Lovett gets a big dose of reality from
his NBA evaluation and plays all four years, Mussini plays out his career here. Love me some redshirts.
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If Lovett returns, Mussini leaving should not be a shock to anyone with Simon coming on board. Where does Mussini get consistent minutes with Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ellison. Would love for him to stay, but with the ability to play in Italy and the potential for severely diminished minutes, I get it.
I think Mussini has really carved out a nice role as an energy guy and shooter off the bench the second half of this season and only projects to get better as an upperclassman. Simon is known as a defender and slasher, but his shot is well below average. Mussini figures to be an excellent complement to him and Ponds, and he could really help space the floor for them to get to the basket. He's also a great teammate. I'd be very disappointed to see him go.
agreed. this is the type pf junior we need. he can be an assassin off the bench
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If Lovett returns, Mussini leaving should not be a shock to anyone with Simon coming on board. Where does Mussini get consistent minutes with Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ellison. Would love for him to stay, but with the ability to play in Italy and the potential for severely diminished minutes, I get it.
I think Mussini has really carved out a nice role as an energy guy and shooter off the bench the second half of this season and only projects to get better as an upperclassman. Simon is known as a defender and slasher, but his shot is well below average. Mussini figures to be an excellent complement to him and Ponds, and he could really help space the floor for them to get to the basket. He's also a great teammate. I'd be very disappointed to see him go.
Echo this.
A solution for some minutes would be redshirt Ellison. I don't know if thats been entertained at all.
Marillac would be on board with this as he loves him some redshirts. Ellison needs all the time in the world to improve. Maybe we can throw in a medical redshirt year too and by his 6th year he may be pretty good. Has the physical ability, has some skills but struggles mightly to put it all together.
In my perfect scenario we redshirt RF and Ellison, Lovett gets a big dose of reality from
his NBA evaluation and plays all four years, Mussini plays out his career here. Love me some redshirts.
If you were Paul Revere you would have rode your horse through the night yelling "The redshirts are coming, the redshirts are coming" and we would have lost the revolution cause nobody would have known what the hell you were talking about. Hey, it's all I got and it's late, just trying to get through UCLA-USC through bleary eyes from watching hoops all day.
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Lovett 's father's basketball training program posted this earlier today. Can't blame kid if trying to hook up NBA.
Just hope the money is enough and sustainable more than a year or two.
WE WIN WEST
@WeWinWest
@NBADraft will make it's decision on @Marcus_LoVett...not our opinions of him as a student athlete...#sjubbpic.twitter.com/vZO5ETlVR2
12:03 PM - 9 Mar 2017
If I'm reading this right and they will let the new evaluations for underclassmen guide their decision, this will be over very quickly. He's 5'11, hasn't shown he can stop anyone on d, and his team was under .500. Five of the top ten projected picks in this draft are PGs! Then you have to deal with guys like Frank Mason, Melo Trimble, and Nigel Williams-Goss and a heap of other combos in the second. C'mon bruh!
Yea that tweet is confusing. If he really is basing this off NBA evals then he gona be back next year but I'm not sure I'm reading it right.
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Lovett and another rotation player already out the door. An Assistant coach actively looking for a power 5 job.
LOL
Two days ago Lovett was staying. Dual voices in your head now?
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Maybe Braziller should ask Mussini if he's leaving. Wonder why he asked Lovett? Hmm
Because no one cares what Mussini is doing
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The NBA isn't even in the discussion for Lovett after this season. If he's leaving he's going straight to Europe. He won't even be invited to the combine.
People who want him to leave now if he will leave after next year anyway are nuts. Him staying would be a huge boost short term and long term. Aside from him being a really good player to have next year, If he stays one more year that gives the staff a chance to pick up a sit-out transfer PG or a PG in the 2018 class. If he leaves now they have to find a PG immediately unless the staff is comfortable with Simon being the full-time PG.
I doubt anyone want or hoping LoVett leaves, but what can you do if he does leave? Nothing, other than find another viable option. I hope he stays as most posters.
He represented the school well. It's fool's gold to think some JUCO can replace him. See Bashir...good but not Lovett. I hope he stays.
I doubt anyone believes a JUCO can actually replace him, but it's an option. Besides, you never know whether the JUCO can adequately replace him or not. I also wouldn't base Ahmed's play on other JUCO's.
Again, I'm sure most would like for LoVett to stay, but you have no choice other than to move on if he does bolt.
Of course, we'd move on. I'm just saying we'd be way better off with him. Without him, we're another sub 20 win irrelevancy guaranteed. There's no one out there who's better.
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We would have a top HS recruit w a year of exp and redshirt year under his belt replacing him w Simon.
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We would have a top HS recruit w a year of exp and redshirt year under his belt replacing him w Simon.
WE ARE ST JOHN'S, where a team that has won 22 games combined the last 2 years and just lost a game by 75 points losing 1 of its two best players can be spun as a good thing
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The NBA isn't even in the discussion for Lovett after this season. If he's leaving he's going straight to Europe. He won't even be invited to the combine.
People who want him to leave now if he will leave after next year anyway are nuts. Him staying would be a huge boost short term and long term. Aside from him being a really good player to have next year, If he stays one more year that gives the staff a chance to pick up a sit-out transfer PG or a PG in the 2018 class. If he leaves now they have to find a PG immediately unless the staff is comfortable with Simon being the full-time PG.
I doubt anyone want or hoping LoVett leaves, but what can you do if he does leave? Nothing, other than find another viable option. I hope he stays as most posters.
He represented the school well. It's fool's gold to think some JUCO can replace him. See Bashir...good but not Lovett. I hope he stays.
I doubt anyone believes a JUCO can actually replace him, but it's an option. Besides, you never know whether the JUCO can adequately replace him or not. I also wouldn't base Ahmed's play on other JUCO's.
Again, I'm sure most would like for LoVett to stay, but you have no choice other than to move on if he does bolt.
Of course, we'd move on. I'm just saying we'd be way better off with him. Without him, we're another sub 20 win irrelevancy guaranteed. There's no one out there who's better.
I never said we wouldn't be better off with him. I hope he returns. I'm just saying, you don't know who is out there that could adequately fill his role from the JUCO ranks or grad transfer.
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We would have a top HS recruit w a year of exp and redshirt year under his belt replacing him w Simon.
WE ARE ST JOHN'S, where a team that has won 22 games combined the last 2 years and just lost a game by 75 points losing 1 of its two best players can be spun as a good thing
They are better with him. Losing him would be progress lost.
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We would have a top HS recruit w a year of exp and redshirt year under his belt replacing him w Simon.
WE ARE ST JOHN'S, where a team that has won 22 games combined the last 2 years and just lost a game by 75 points losing 1 of its two best players can be spun as a good thing
They are better with him. Losing him would be progress lost.
Agreed. Losing Lovett would probably makes us an NIT team next year and the growth would be minimalized from this season unless Simon is that good and we find a grad transfer.
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We would have a top HS recruit w a year of exp and redshirt year under his belt replacing him w Simon.
WE ARE ST JOHN'S, where a team that has won 22 games combined the last 2 years and just lost a game by 75 points losing 1 of its two best players can be spun as a good thing
They are better with him. Losing him would be progress lost.
Agreed. Losing Lovett would probably makes us an NIT team next year and the growth would be minimalized from this season unless Simon is that good and we find a grad transfer.
NIT is progress
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We would have a top HS recruit w a year of exp and redshirt year under his belt replacing him w Simon.
WE ARE ST JOHN'S, where a team that has won 22 games combined the last 2 years and just lost a game by 75 points losing 1 of its two best players can be spun as a good thing
They are better with him. Losing him would be progress lost.
Agreed. Losing Lovett would probably makes us an NIT team next year and the growth would be minimalized from this season unless Simon is that good and we find a grad transfer.
Who'd we have to lose to make the NCAA tournament?
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We would have a top HS recruit w a year of exp and redshirt year under his belt replacing him w Simon.
WE ARE ST JOHN'S, where a team that has won 22 games combined the last 2 years and just lost a game by 75 points losing 1 of its two best players can be spun as a good thing
They are better with him. Losing him would be progress lost.
Agreed. Losing Lovett would probably makes us an NIT team next year and the growth would be minimalized from this season unless Simon is that good and we find a grad transfer.
Who'd we have to lose to make the NCAA tournament?
Maybe Amar or Ellison.
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We would have a top HS recruit w a year of exp and redshirt year under his belt replacing him w Simon.
WE ARE ST JOHN'S, where a team that has won 22 games combined the last 2 years and just lost a game by 75 points losing 1 of its two best players can be spun as a good thing
They are better with him. Losing him would be progress lost.
Agreed. Losing Lovett would probably makes us an NIT team next year and the growth would be minimalized from this season unless Simon is that good and we find a grad transfer.
Who'd we have to lose to make the NCAA tournament?
Wow that's a softball to hit out of the park
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Hearing Baldi is going to test the draft waters. His brother tweeted that they'll be seeking evaluations on him becoming a professional troll. What scares me about this is he might go pro even if it's clear that there is no future for him in America since he is infatuated with Europeans and would be as happy as Zach Brown in dressed as a tranny for Halloween if he could make a living as a professional troll in a place like Italy. Rumors coming out out of the SFP 25 year CHSAA championship reunion corroborate this.
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Lovett 's father's basketball training program posted this earlier today. Can't blame kid if trying to hook up NBA.
Just hope the money is enough and sustainable more than a year or two.
WE WIN WEST
@WeWinWest
@NBADraft will make it's decision on @Marcus_LoVett...not our opinions of him as a student athlete...#sjubbpic.twitter.com/vZO5ETlVR2
12:03 PM - 9 Mar 2017
To be blunt, this just shows how uninformed parents steering the ship can mess things up for a kid. No doubt Lovett can play, but I'm not even sure he's s shoe-in for Europe right away. Obviously his father in his ear to get his undraftable freshman son to the NBA as soon as possible, when truth is it's not on the table at all for Lovett with his size and incomplete skill set. If he's smart, he will not let his father force him into a bad decision, instead of mailing his college career away to play in the Philippines. I have no doubt he will make money overseas, but NBA isn't happening any time soon.
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If Lovett returns, Mussini leaving should not be a shock to anyone with Simon coming on board. Where does Mussini get consistent minutes with Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ellison. Would love for him to stay, but with the ability to play in Italy and the potential for severely diminished minutes, I get it.
I think Mussini has really carved out a nice role as an energy guy and shooter off the bench the second half of this season and only projects to get better as an upperclassman. Simon is known as a defender and slasher, but his shot is well below average. Mussini figures to be an excellent complement to him and Ponds, and he could really help space the floor for them to get to the basket. He's also a great teammate. I'd be very disappointed to see him go.
Echo this.
A solution for some minutes would be redshirt Ellison. I don't know if thats been entertained at all.
I'd redshirt him and Yakwe. Yakwe first.
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We would have a top HS recruit w a year of exp and redshirt year under his belt replacing him w Simon.
WE ARE ST JOHN'S, where a team that has won 22 games combined the last 2 years and just lost a game by 75 points losing 1 of its two best players can be spun as a good thing
They are better with him. Losing him would be progress lost.
Agreed. Losing Lovett would probably makes us an NIT team next year and the growth would be minimalized from this season unless Simon is that good and we find a grad transfer.
Who'd we have to lose to make the NCAA tournament?
On the other board your boy Monte was totally cool with no Lovett but went mysteriously radio silent at the thought of Mussini transferring. I think he is making an Italian mix tape for him.
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Only pro team that will take him is the Tijuana Bomberos of CIBCOPA. My cousin had Anquille Carr in for a tryout last Wednesday.
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We would have a top HS recruit w a year of exp and redshirt year under his belt replacing him w Simon.
WE ARE ST JOHN'S, where a team that has won 22 games combined the last 2 years and just lost a game by 75 points losing 1 of its two best players can be spun as a good thing
They are better with him. Losing him would be progress lost.
Agreed. Losing Lovett would probably makes us an NIT team next year and the growth would be minimalized from this season unless Simon is that good and we find a grad transfer.
Who'd we have to lose to make the NCAA tournament?
On the other board your boy Monte was totally cool with no Lovett but went mysteriously radio silent at the thought of Mussini transferring. I think he is making an Italian mix tape for him.
I hope Mussini stays. As I have said before, he was not used correctly as a frosh. Being the PG and playing as many minutes as he did hurt his game. This year his FG and 3PT percentages were both up (3PT went from 30% to 43%). While his points/game dropped, he was more efficient in points per minute. His t/o's dropped significantly. Next season if used in a similar manner, I would expect him to average 10-12 PPG off the bench which ain't shabby. His defense also improved as the season went on.
Ellison also showed improvement across his stat line (except for FT %), including going from a negative assist to t/o ratio to a positive ratio in the current year. He obviously has worked on his game and if he continues he will be a good 4 year player who could be a 1,000 PT SCORER at the end of his career which is not bad for someone getting 20 to 25 minutes/game. He has the size which can't be taught.
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Lovett 's father's basketball training program posted this earlier today. Can't blame kid if trying to hook up NBA.
Just hope the money is enough and sustainable more than a year or two.
WE WIN WEST
@WeWinWest
@NBADraft will make it's decision on @Marcus_LoVett...not our opinions of him as a student athlete...#sjubbpic.twitter.com/vZO5ETlVR2
12:03 PM - 9 Mar 2017
To be blunt, this just shows how uninformed parents steering the ship can mess things up for a kid. No doubt Lovett can play, but I'm not even sure he's s shoe-in for Europe right away. Obviously his father in his ear to get his undraftable freshman son to the NBA as soon as possible, when truth is it's not on the table at all for Lovett with his size and incomplete skill set. If he's smart, he will not let his father force him into a bad decision, instead of mailing his college career away to play in the Philippines. I have no doubt he will make money overseas, but NBA isn't happening any time soon.
He's actually a shoe-in not to make top European leagues at this point. They are allowed 2-3 Americans per team and there are former first round picks like Johnny Flynn and Shane Larkin well ahead of him. Mussini has a MUCH better chance as a citizen.
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Lovett 's father's basketball training program posted this earlier today. Can't blame kid if trying to hook up NBA.
Just hope the money is enough and sustainable more than a year or two.
WE WIN WEST
@WeWinWest
@NBADraft will make it's decision on @Marcus_LoVett...not our opinions of him as a student athlete...#sjubbpic.twitter.com/vZO5ETlVR2
12:03 PM - 9 Mar 2017
To be blunt, this just shows how uninformed parents steering the ship can mess things up for a kid. No doubt Lovett can play, but I'm not even sure he's s shoe-in for Europe right away. Obviously his father in his ear to get his undraftable freshman son to the NBA as soon as possible, when truth is it's not on the table at all for Lovett with his size and incomplete skill set. If he's smart, he will not let his father force him into a bad decision, instead of mailing his college career away to play in the Philippines. I have no doubt he will make money overseas, but NBA isn't happening any time soon.
He's actually a shoe-in not to make top European leagues at this point. They are allowed 2-3 Americans per team and there are former first round picks like Johnny Flynn and Shane Larkin well ahead of him. Mussini has a MUCH better chance as a citizen.
Yup. Guards are a dime a dozen. My wife's cousin has been playing overseas for years, he's 6'9. They usually use the 2 Spots on bigs
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Hearing Baldi is going to test the draft waters. His brother tweeted that they'll be seeking evaluations on him becoming a professional troll. What scares me about this is he might go pro even if it's clear that there is no future for him in America since he is infatuated with Europeans and would be as happy as Zach Brown in dressed as a tranny for Halloween if he could make a living as a professional troll in a place like Italy. Rumors coming out out of the SFP 25 year CHSAA championship reunion corroborate this.
LOL! March is prime trolling season. Cheers!
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Lovett 's father's basketball training program posted this earlier today. Can't blame kid if trying to hook up NBA.
Just hope the money is enough and sustainable more than a year or two.
WE WIN WEST
@WeWinWest
@NBADraft will make it's decision on @Marcus_LoVett...not our opinions of him as a student athlete...#sjubbpic.twitter.com/vZO5ETlVR2
12:03 PM - 9 Mar 2017
To be blunt, this just shows how uninformed parents steering the ship can mess things up for a kid. No doubt Lovett can play, but I'm not even sure he's s shoe-in for Europe right away. Obviously his father in his ear to get his undraftable freshman son to the NBA as soon as possible, when truth is it's not on the table at all for Lovett with his size and incomplete skill set. If he's smart, he will not let his father force him into a bad decision, instead of mailing his college career away to play in the Philippines. I have no doubt he will make money overseas, but NBA isn't happening any time soon.
He's actually a shoe-in not to make top European leagues at this point. They are allowed 2-3 Americans per team and there are former first round picks like Johnny Flynn and Shane Larkin well ahead of him. Mussini has a MUCH better chance as a citizen.
Yup. Guards are a dime a dozen. My wife's cousin has been playing overseas for years, he's 6'9. They usually use the 2 Spots on bigs
what country is he playing in now ?
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Lovett 's father's basketball training program posted this earlier today. Can't blame kid if trying to hook up NBA.
Just hope the money is enough and sustainable more than a year or two.
WE WIN WEST
@WeWinWest
@NBADraft will make it's decision on @Marcus_LoVett...not our opinions of him as a student athlete...#sjubbpic.twitter.com/vZO5ETlVR2
12:03 PM - 9 Mar 2017
To be blunt, this just shows how uninformed parents steering the ship can mess things up for a kid. No doubt Lovett can play, but I'm not even sure he's s shoe-in for Europe right away. Obviously his father in his ear to get his undraftable freshman son to the NBA as soon as possible, when truth is it's not on the table at all for Lovett with his size and incomplete skill set. If he's smart, he will not let his father force him into a bad decision, instead of mailing his college career away to play in the Philippines. I have no doubt he will make money overseas, but NBA isn't happening any time soon.
He's actually a shoe-in not to make top European leagues at this point. They are allowed 2-3 Americans per team and there are former first round picks like Johnny Flynn and Shane Larkin well ahead of him. Mussini has a MUCH better chance as a citizen.
Yup. Guards are a dime a dozen. My wife's cousin has been playing overseas for years, he's 6'9. They usually use the 2 Spots on bigs
what country is he playing in now ?
Buenos Aires
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Lovett 's father's basketball training program posted this earlier today. Can't blame kid if trying to hook up NBA.
Just hope the money is enough and sustainable more than a year or two.
WE WIN WEST
@WeWinWest
@NBADraft will make it's decision on @Marcus_LoVett...not our opinions of him as a student athlete...#sjubbpic.twitter.com/vZO5ETlVR2
12:03 PM - 9 Mar 2017
To be blunt, this just shows how uninformed parents steering the ship can mess things up for a kid. No doubt Lovett can play, but I'm not even sure he's s shoe-in for Europe right away. Obviously his father in his ear to get his undraftable freshman son to the NBA as soon as possible, when truth is it's not on the table at all for Lovett with his size and incomplete skill set. If he's smart, he will not let his father force him into a bad decision, instead of mailing his college career away to play in the Philippines. I have no doubt he will make money overseas, but NBA isn't happening any time soon.
He's actually a shoe-in not to make top European leagues at this point. They are allowed 2-3 Americans per team and there are former first round picks like Johnny Flynn and Shane Larkin well ahead of him. Mussini has a MUCH better chance as a citizen.
Yup. Guards are a dime a dozen. My wife's cousin has been playing overseas for years, he's 6'9. They usually use the 2 Spots on bigs
what country is he playing in now ?
Buenos Aires
NOT a Country. ;).
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Lovett 's father's basketball training program posted this earlier today. Can't blame kid if trying to hook up NBA.
Just hope the money is enough and sustainable more than a year or two.
WE WIN WEST
@WeWinWest
@NBADraft will make it's decision on @Marcus_LoVett...not our opinions of him as a student athlete...#sjubbpic.twitter.com/vZO5ETlVR2
12:03 PM - 9 Mar 2017
To be blunt, this just shows how uninformed parents steering the ship can mess things up for a kid. No doubt Lovett can play, but I'm not even sure he's s shoe-in for Europe right away. Obviously his father in his ear to get his undraftable freshman son to the NBA as soon as possible, when truth is it's not on the table at all for Lovett with his size and incomplete skill set. If he's smart, he will not let his father force him into a bad decision, instead of mailing his college career away to play in the Philippines. I have no doubt he will make money overseas, but NBA isn't happening any time soon.
He's actually a shoe-in not to make top European leagues at this point. They are allowed 2-3 Americans per team and there are former first round picks like Johnny Flynn and Shane Larkin well ahead of him. Mussini has a MUCH better chance as a citizen.
Yup. Guards are a dime a dozen. My wife's cousin has been playing overseas for years, he's 6'9. They usually use the 2 Spots on bigs
what country is he playing in now ?
Buenos Aires
Very cool. Love that city
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If Lovett returns, Mussini leaving should not be a shock to anyone with Simon coming on board. Where does Mussini get consistent minutes with Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ellison. Would love for him to stay, but with the ability to play in Italy and the potential for severely diminished minutes, I get it.
I think Mussini has really carved out a nice role as an energy guy and shooter off the bench the second half of this season and only projects to get better as an upperclassman. Simon is known as a defender and slasher, but his shot is well below average. Mussini figures to be an excellent complement to him and Ponds, and he could really help space the floor for them to get to the basket. He's also a great teammate. I'd be very disappointed to see him go.
Echo this.
A solution for some minutes would be redshirt Ellison. I don't know if thats been entertained at all.
I'd redshirt him and Yakwe. Yakwe first.
Yakwe was supposed to redshirt last year. Him becoming eligible was a surprise.
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Lovett 's father's basketball training program posted this earlier today. Can't blame kid if trying to hook up NBA.
Just hope the money is enough and sustainable more than a year or two.
WE WIN WEST
@WeWinWest
@NBADraft will make it's decision on @Marcus_LoVett...not our opinions of him as a student athlete...#sjubbpic.twitter.com/vZO5ETlVR2
12:03 PM - 9 Mar 2017
To be blunt, this just shows how uninformed parents steering the ship can mess things up for a kid. No doubt Lovett can play, but I'm not even sure he's s shoe-in for Europe right away. Obviously his father in his ear to get his undraftable freshman son to the NBA as soon as possible, when truth is it's not on the table at all for Lovett with his size and incomplete skill set. If he's smart, he will not let his father force him into a bad decision, instead of mailing his college career away to play in the Philippines. I have no doubt he will make money overseas, but NBA isn't happening any time soon.
He's actually a shoe-in not to make top European leagues at this point. They are allowed 2-3 Americans per team and there are former first round picks like Johnny Flynn and Shane Larkin well ahead of him. Mussini has a MUCH better chance as a citizen.
Yup. Guards are a dime a dozen. My wife's cousin has been playing overseas for years, he's 6'9. They usually use the 2 Spots on bigs
what country is he playing in now ?
Buenos Aires
NOT a Country. ;).
Leave him alone he is on a roll
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On the other board your boy Monte was totally cool with no Lovett but went mysteriously radio silent at the thought of Mussini transferring. I think he is making an Italian mix tape for him.
You should be happy about the Mussini lovefest. Here are the season statistics of the Italian assassin who is evidently an above average (letter grade B) college basketball player who hopefully will be a huge part of St John's program moving forward:
7.9 ppg / 1.7 reb / .8 ast / .9 to / .41 FG / .42 3 pt / .85 FT in 18 minutes a game as a sophomore
And here is WASJU fave Larry Wright
9.1 ppg / 1.3 reb / .5 ast / .6 to / .43 FG / .40 3 pt / .75 FT on 18 minutes a game as a sophomore
Uncanny isn't it: they're almost exactly the same player. Well with one obvious difference. (Wright was taller.) It's just a shame his parents didn't think to name him Lorenzo, his jersey would be hanging in the rafters at the Lou.
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Maybe Braziller should ask Mussini if he's leaving. Wonder why he asked Lovett? Hmm
Because no one cares what Mussini is doing
Speak for yourself
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On the other board your boy Monte was totally cool with no Lovett but went mysteriously radio silent at the thought of Mussini transferring. I think he is making an Italian mix tape for him.
You should be happy about the Mussini lovefest. Here are the season statistics of the Italian assassin who is evidently an above average (letter grade B) college basketball player who hopefully will be a huge part of St John's program moving forward:
7.9 ppg / 1.7 reb / .8 ast / .9 to / .41 FG / .42 3 pt / .85 FT in 18 minutes a game as a sophomore
And here is WASJU fave Larry Wright
9.1 ppg / 1.3 reb / .5 ast / .6 to / .43 FG / .40 3 pt / .75 FT on 18 minutes a game as a sophomore
Uncanny isn't it: they're almost exactly the same player. Well with one obvious difference. (Wright was taller.) It's just a shame his parents didn't think to name him Lorenzo, his jersey would be hanging in the rafters at the Lou.
He was taller, better looking with a beautiful looking jumper.
In fairness to Mussini if he was on those Norm teams he might have been my 2nd favorite player.
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Maybe Braziller should ask Mussini if he's leaving. Wonder why he asked Lovett? Hmm
Because no one cares what Mussini is doing
Speak for yourself
I can't imagine a better first post from Monte :)
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Good luck to Lovett
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
Nah. But at the same time we can not make the C tournaments without him too. Maybe the transfer is better than him
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
Nah. But at the same time we can not make the C tournaments without him too. Maybe the transfer is better than him
Yeah losing our best players and having constant turnover is a good way to build a stable program and make the NCAA Tournament :idiot2:
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
Nah. But at the same time we can not make the C tournaments without him too. Maybe the transfer is better than him
Yeah losing our best players and having constant turnover is a good way to build a stable program and make the NCAA Tournament :idiot2:
Can't have 2 5'8 guards who dont play defense.
Time is not on Lovetts side. He's going for the money now.
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
Nah. But at the same time we can not make the C tournaments without him too. Maybe the transfer is better than him
Yeah losing our best players and having constant turnover is a good way to build a stable program and make the NCAA Tournament :idiot2:
Constant turnover seems to work in New Ro
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
Nah. But at the same time we can not make the C tournaments without him too. Maybe the transfer is better than him
Yeah losing our best players and having constant turnover is a good way to build a stable program and make the NCAA Tournament :idiot2:
Constant turnover seems to work in New Ro
Things are different for mid majors.
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
Nah. But at the same time we can not make the C tournaments without him too. Maybe the transfer is better than him
What transfer?
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
Nah. But at the same time we can not make the C tournaments without him too. Maybe the transfer is better than him
What transfer?
Simon
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He certainly provides more size.
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
Nah. But at the same time we can not make the C tournaments without him too. Maybe the transfer is better than him
Yeah losing our best players and having constant turnover is a good way to build a stable program and make the NCAA Tournament :idiot2:
Can't have 2 5'8 guards who dont play defense.
Time is not on Lovetts side. He's going for the money now.
I will never fault a kid for leaving school and chasing the money when they can. But to suggest that him leaving is anything but bad for the program is nuts
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kid was a positive "face" of SJUBB and part of batman and robin to the press/TV commentators. Nothing good comes with him leaving, but you can never fault them for going. 21 and looking at the prospects of trying to make the NBA at that height is tough. Europe will be his tickets even if he stays.
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Seems to love the program and his teammates. I think this is a tough decision. The life span of a professional ball player can be short and if he wants to start cashing in now then can't fault him. Hope he comes back for one more run.
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Let's all hope Lovett stays as he's a dynamic weapon for us.
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Baldi is right. He's gone
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Not surprising
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Some others will take his minutes but still a tough loss.
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
Nah. But at the same time we can not make the C tournaments without him too. Maybe the transfer is better than him
Yeah losing our best players and having constant turnover is a good way to build a stable program and make the NCAA Tournament :idiot2:
Can't have 2 5'8 guards who dont play defense.
Time is not on Lovetts side. He's going for the money now.
I will never fault a kid for leaving school and chasing the money when they can. But to suggest that him leaving is anything but bad for the program is nuts
Kids that think this way are cancerous to programs like SJU. It would be better to lose him now than after next season. At least we can get a sign and sit transfer like Simon to step in with two or three years of college under his belt.
This isn't "addition by subtraction" and we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
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It sucks to lose him, but we can replace him with Ponds and more likely Simon. Simon is still a 5-star transfer who was a PG, with slick handle and passing ability. Boy trying to make light of it, but we will survive as long as we grab the talent I think we can.
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
Nah. But at the same time we can not make the C tournaments without him too. Maybe the transfer is better than him
Yeah losing our best players and having constant turnover is a good way to build a stable program and make the NCAA Tournament :idiot2:
Can't have 2 5'8 guards who dont play defense.
Time is not on Lovetts side. He's going for the money now.
I will never fault a kid for leaving school and chasing the money when they can. But to suggest that him leaving is anything but bad for the program is nuts
Kids that think this way are cancerous to programs like SJU. It would be better to lose him now than after next season. At least we can get a sign and sit transfer like Simon to step in with two or three years of college under his belt.
This isn't "addition by subtraction" and we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
There is absolutely no way losing him now is better than losing him after next year. Lovett staying would not stop us from getting a sit-out transfer seeing how Lovett would leave after next season anyway and would be gone by the time that transfer was able to play. It's also far from a lock we'd get a sit-out PG transfer that's any good anyway
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we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
Well, we need to be a better team with or without LoVett or we could easily find ourselves in predicament, if we don't land a solid, 2018 class. We can't afford three straight crappy seasons. We're going to need to be a beast on the grad transfers.
I know Paultzman doesn't believe we'll seriously scour the JUCO level, but I think we need to so. There are some high-scoring D-1 JUCO's still available. I'm sure there will be a few, 2017 kids who'll renege once the head coach of the respective schools have been either fired or took another gig.
The 2017-2018 season is extremely imperative.
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At the end of the day, a player who leaves early isn't something any coach can stop. Walter Berry made his bed. Lou didn't try and stop him. LoVett has made it clear that he thinks he's a pro, and he is. In Turkey or Iraq or China. If that's enough for him, and that's all he aspires to then he should go.
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
Nah. But at the same time we can not make the C tournaments without him too. Maybe the transfer is better than him
Yeah losing our best players and having constant turnover is a good way to build a stable program and make the NCAA Tournament :idiot2:
Can't have 2 5'8 guards who dont play defense.
Time is not on Lovetts side. He's going for the money now.
I will never fault a kid for leaving school and chasing the money when they can. But to suggest that him leaving is anything but bad for the program is nuts
Kids that think this way are cancerous to programs like SJU. It would be better to lose him now than after next season. At least we can get a sign and sit transfer like Simon to step in with two or three years of college under his belt.
This isn't "addition by subtraction" and we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
There is absolutely no way losing him now is better than losing him after next year. Lovett staying would not stop us from getting a sit-out transfer seeing how Lovett would leave after next season anyway and would be gone by the time that transfer was able to play. It's also far from a lock we'd get a sit-out PG transfer that's any good anyway
How can you say that absolutely with Ponds and Simon on the roster? We were 4-1 when Lovett played 25 or less minutes and 2-1 when he didn't played at all. That was almost half of our wins.
Ponds will easily be one of the ten best PGs nationally next year IMO and Simon was ranked #35 (ahead of Lovett) overall in 2015. It's almost like you are assuming he'll be a bust because
of our luck. What if he's an animal like Owens? How many pts would a defensive stopper that hits the glass, didn't fall after every layup, got back on D, and could handle his own getting caught dow low with a wing or big on a switch makeup from this past squad? We couldn't stop anyone this year. The dual mighty mouse backcourt (which I do love) only works if they can be physical and play above average D. That will never be Lovett's game. Simon is 35 lbs heavier and 7 inches taller. How many minutes do you think Lovett would have played at Arizona as a 160 lb true freshman with Jackson-Cartwright, Alonzo Trier, Gabe York, and Kadeem Allen? We're talking about the highest rated kid we've had here (tied with Dom) in 20 years!
Any transfer that came here with Ponds, Lovett, and Simon each having three years left would have needed their head checked. It will still be a hard sell without Lovett, but it opens
the door a bit--especially for a "pure" point.
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Did some research on Simon and watched some of his tape. He seems to have the potential to be a slightly shorter version of Pointer with a better handle and jumper. If that's true, Ponds stays and we get stronger in the frontcourt, we will be just fine without Marcus.
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Now we need Mussini to to come back
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we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
Well, we need to be a better team with or without LoVett or we could easily find ourselves in predicament, if we don't land a solid, 2018 class. We can't afford three straight crappy seasons. We're going to need to be a beast on the grad transfers.
I know Paultzman doesn't believe we'll seriously scour the JUCO level, but I think we need to so. There are some high-scoring D-1 JUCO's still available. I'm sure there will be a few, 2017 kids who'll renege once the head coach of the respective schools have been either fired or took another gig.
The 2017-2018 season is extremely imperative.
If Lovett bolts, I honestly don't see a need for a JUCO or high school knee-jerk signing if the staff can get pledges from Ellison and Mussini to buy in to bigger roles. Simon will slide into the starting lineup, Mussini proved he can be a very solid 20 mpg scorer off the bench and Ellison can handle both spots. We also have Ahmed and Clark to add perimeter skills in smaller lineups or even play SG in a pinch. Ahmed particularly provides a lot of insurance for the position. Providence did just fine with much less.
The priority has to be a grad transfer big man.
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Ha you've been waiting to send that one
Nah. But at the same time we can not make the C tournaments without him too. Maybe the transfer is better than him
Yeah losing our best players and having constant turnover is a good way to build a stable program and make the NCAA Tournament :idiot2:
Can't have 2 5'8 guards who dont play defense.
Time is not on Lovetts side. He's going for the money now.
I will never fault a kid for leaving school and chasing the money when they can. But to suggest that him leaving is anything but bad for the program is nuts
Kids that think this way are cancerous to programs like SJU. It would be better to lose him now than after next season. At least we can get a sign and sit transfer like Simon to step in with two or three years of college under his belt.
This isn't "addition by subtraction" and we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
There is absolutely no way losing him now is better than losing him after next year. Lovett staying would not stop us from getting a sit-out transfer seeing how Lovett would leave after next season anyway and would be gone by the time that transfer was able to play. It's also far from a lock we'd get a sit-out PG transfer that's any good anyway
How can you say that absolutely with Ponds and Simon on the roster? We were 4-1 when Lovett played 25 or less minutes and 2-1 when he didn't played at all. That was almost half of our wins.
Ponds will easily be one of the ten best PGs nationally next year IMO and Simon was ranked #35 (ahead of Lovett) overall in 2015. It's almost like you are assuming he'll be a bust because
of our luck. What if he's an animal like Owens? How many pts would a defensive stopper that hits the glass, didn't fall after every layup, got back on D, and could handle his own getting caught dow low with a wing or big on a switch makeup from this past squad? We couldn't stop anyone this year. The dual mighty mouse backcourt (which I do love) only works if they can be physical and play above average D. That will never be Lovett's game. Simon is 35 lbs heavier and 7 inches taller. How many minutes do you think Lovett would have played at Arizona as a 160 lb true freshman with Jackson-Cartwright, Alonzo Trier, Gabe York, and Kadeem Allen? We're talking about the highest rated kid we've had here (tied with Dom) in 20 years!
Any transfer that came here with Ponds, Lovett, and Simon each having three years left would have needed their head checked. It will still be a hard sell without Lovett, but it opens
the door a bit--especially for a "pure" point.
Transfer would be in front court.
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Now we need Mussini to to come back
I don't think he's going anywhere.
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Now we need Mussini to to come back
Developing Mussini and Ellison are now big priorities. I dont think it's an overstatement to say that next season's success rests on Simon showing he was worthy of his #35 ranking.
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we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
Well, we need to be a better team with or without LoVett or we could easily find ourselves in predicament, if we don't land a solid, 2018 class. We can't afford three straight crappy seasons. We're going to need to be a beast on the grad transfers.
I know Paultzman doesn't believe we'll seriously scour the JUCO level, but I think we need to so. There are some high-scoring D-1 JUCO's still available. I'm sure there will be a few, 2017 kids who'll renege once the head coach of the respective schools have been either fired or took another gig.
The 2017-2018 season is extremely imperative.
If Lovett bolts, I honestly don't see a need for a JUCO or high school knee-jerk signing if the staff can get pledges from Ellison and Mussini to buy in to bigger roles. Simon will slide into the starting lineup, Mussini proved he can be a very solid 20 mpg scorer off the bench and Ellison can handle both spots. We also have Ahmed and Clark to add perimeter skills in smaller lineups or even play SG in a pinch. Ahmed particularly provides a lot of insurance for the position. Providence did just fine with much less.
The priority has to be a grad transfer big man.
Ellison may improve if he decides to put in an incredible amount of work, but Mussini should know by now that this level is too much for his fragile frame and lack of talent.
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Now we need Mussini to to come back
I don't think he's going anywhere.
Hope so. Now we need someone to set up some plays to get him open, and a body to screen
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Did some research on Simon and watched some of his tape. He seems to have the potential to be a slightly shorter version of Pointer with a better handle and jumper. If that's true, Ponds stays and we get stronger in the frontcourt, we will be just fine without Marcus.
Simon isn't a good shooter. He's built kind of like Rondo in a sense that he's freakishly long. 7' wingspan on 6'5 frame.
Has good court vision and feel. Wish his handle was tighter (maybe it's gotten better).
Ultimately he'd be better with Lovett
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we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
Well, we need to be a better team with or without LoVett or we could easily find ourselves in predicament, if we don't land a solid, 2018 class. We can't afford three straight crappy seasons. We're going to need to be a beast on the grad transfers.
I know Paultzman doesn't believe we'll seriously scour the JUCO level, but I think we need to so. There are some high-scoring D-1 JUCO's still available. I'm sure there will be a few, 2017 kids who'll renege once the head coach of the respective schools have been either fired or took another gig.
The 2017-2018 season is extremely imperative.
If Lovett bolts, I honestly don't see a need for a JUCO or high school knee-jerk signing if the staff can get pledges from Ellison and Mussini to buy in to bigger roles. Simon will slide into the starting lineup, Mussini proved he can be a very solid 20 mpg scorer off the bench and Ellison can handle both spots. We also have Ahmed and Clark to add perimeter skills in smaller lineups or even play SG in a pinch. Ahmed particularly provides a lot of insurance for the position. Providence did just fine with much less.
The priority has to be a grad transfer big man.
Ellison may improve if he decides to put in an incredible amount of work, but Mussini should know by now that this level is too much for his fragile frame and lack of talent.
Both Ellison and Ahmed need to come off the bench
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we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
Well, we need to be a better team with or without LoVett or we could easily find ourselves in predicament, if we don't land a solid, 2018 class. We can't afford three straight crappy seasons. We're going to need to be a beast on the grad transfers.
I know Paultzman doesn't believe we'll seriously scour the JUCO level, but I think we need to so. There are some high-scoring D-1 JUCO's still available. I'm sure there will be a few, 2017 kids who'll renege once the head coach of the respective schools have been either fired or took another gig.
The 2017-2018 season is extremely imperative.
If Lovett bolts, I honestly don't see a need for a JUCO or high school knee-jerk signing if the staff can get pledges from Ellison and Mussini to buy in to bigger roles. Simon will slide into the starting lineup, Mussini proved he can be a very solid 20 mpg scorer off the bench and Ellison can handle both spots. We also have Ahmed and Clark to add perimeter skills in smaller lineups or even play SG in a pinch. Ahmed particularly provides a lot of insurance for the position. Providence did just fine with much less.
The priority has to be a grad transfer big man.
Ellison may improve if he decides to put in an incredible amount of work, but Mussini should know by now that this level is too much for his fragile frame and lack of talent.
Both Ellison and Ahmed need to come off the bench
So then who starts?
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How can you say that absolutely with Ponds and Simon on the roster? We were 4-1 when Lovett played 25 or less minutes and 2-1 when he didn't played at all. That was almost half of our wins.
Ponds will easily be one of the ten best PGs nationally next year IMO and Simon was ranked #35 (ahead of Lovett) overall in 2015. It's almost like you are assuming he'll be a bust because
of our luck. What if he's an animal like Owens? How many pts would a defensive stopper that hits the glass, didn't fall after every layup, got back on D, and could handle his own getting caught dow low with a wing or big on a switch makeup from this past squad? We couldn't stop anyone this year. The dual mighty mouse backcourt (which I do love) only works if they can be physical and play above average D. That will never be Lovett's game. Simon is 35 lbs heavier and 7 inches taller. How many minutes do you think Lovett would have played at Arizona as a 160 lb true freshman with Jackson-Cartwright, Alonzo Trier, Gabe York, and Kadeem Allen? We're talking about the highest rated kid we've had here (tied with Dom) in 20 years!
Any transfer that came here with Ponds, Lovett, and Simon each having three years left would have needed their head checked. It will still be a hard sell without Lovett, but it opens
the door a bit--especially for a "pure" point.
Lovett leaving being a bad thing has little to do with how good Ponds and Simon are. They can be great players and we could still be a really good team without Lovett. Lovett returning wouldn't take any minutes away from either. His minutes would come at the expense of Ellison and Mussini (if both stay). There's no way having Ellison or Mussini on the court over Lovett makes us better.
With basketball continuing to evolve into a more guard oriented game, having Lovett, Ponds and Simon on the court at the same time would be a very solid backcourt and still allows us to go big or small at the 4/5 as Simon has the size and athleticism to defend 3s. If that lineup isn't getting the job done on defense you can still only play 2 out of the 3 on the court at the same time without having to cut their minutes all that much.
Also, saying Ponds will easily be a top 10 PG nationally next year is a ridiculous thing to say considering he's not even a true PG and we'd be much better off with him playing the 2.
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we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
Well, we need to be a better team with or without LoVett or we could easily find ourselves in predicament, if we don't land a solid, 2018 class. We can't afford three straight crappy seasons. We're going to need to be a beast on the grad transfers.
I know Paultzman doesn't believe we'll seriously scour the JUCO level, but I think we need to so. There are some high-scoring D-1 JUCO's still available. I'm sure there will be a few, 2017 kids who'll renege once the head coach of the respective schools have been either fired or took another gig.
The 2017-2018 season is extremely imperative.
If Lovett bolts, I honestly don't see a need for a JUCO or high school knee-jerk signing if the staff can get pledges from Ellison and Mussini to buy in to bigger roles. Simon will slide into the starting lineup, Mussini proved he can be a very solid 20 mpg scorer off the bench and Ellison can handle both spots. We also have Ahmed and Clark to add perimeter skills in smaller lineups or even play SG in a pinch. Ahmed particularly provides a lot of insurance for the position. Providence did just fine with much less.
The priority has to be a grad transfer big man.
Ellison may improve if he decides to put in an incredible amount of work, but Mussini should know by now that this level is too much for his fragile frame and lack of talent.
Both Ellison and Ahmed need to come off the bench
So then who starts?
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
5th year transfer
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we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
Well, we need to be a better team with or without LoVett or we could easily find ourselves in predicament, if we don't land a solid, 2018 class. We can't afford three straight crappy seasons. We're going to need to be a beast on the grad transfers.
I know Paultzman doesn't believe we'll seriously scour the JUCO level, but I think we need to so. There are some high-scoring D-1 JUCO's still available. I'm sure there will be a few, 2017 kids who'll renege once the head coach of the respective schools have been either fired or took another gig.
The 2017-2018 season is extremely imperative.
If Lovett bolts, I honestly don't see a need for a JUCO or high school knee-jerk signing if the staff can get pledges from Ellison and Mussini to buy in to bigger roles. Simon will slide into the starting lineup, Mussini proved he can be a very solid 20 mpg scorer off the bench and Ellison can handle both spots. We also have Ahmed and Clark to add perimeter skills in smaller lineups or even play SG in a pinch. Ahmed particularly provides a lot of insurance for the position. Providence did just fine with much less.
The priority has to be a grad transfer big man.
Ellison may improve if he decides to put in an incredible amount of work, but Mussini should know by now that this level is too much for his fragile frame and lack of talent.
Both Ellison and Ahmed need to come off the bench
So then who starts?
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
5th year transfer
I think it's highly unlikely that Ahmed doesn't start. Clark hasn't shown that he has starter talent. Simon may have starter talent, but he hasn't shown it either. Ponds and Owens make sense, but is Mullin going to bench 3 out of 5 starters from last year's team?
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Did some research on Simon and watched some of his tape. He seems to have the potential to be a slightly shorter version of Pointer with a better handle and jumper. If that's true, Ponds stays and we get stronger in the frontcourt, we will be just fine without Marcus.
Simon isn't a good shooter. He's built kind of like Rondo in a sense that he's freakishly long. 7' wingspan on 6'5 frame.
Has good court vision and feel. Wish his handle was tighter (maybe it's gotten better).
Ultimately he'd be better with Lovett
When I said better jumper, I meant on a relative basis compared to Pointer. I'm hoping that he's been working on that this year. If there's one thing this staff should be able to teach, it's to shoot.
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we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
Well, we need to be a better team with or without LoVett or we could easily find ourselves in predicament, if we don't land a solid, 2018 class. We can't afford three straight crappy seasons. We're going to need to be a beast on the grad transfers.
I know Paultzman doesn't believe we'll seriously scour the JUCO level, but I think we need to so. There are some high-scoring D-1 JUCO's still available. I'm sure there will be a few, 2017 kids who'll renege once the head coach of the respective schools have been either fired or took another gig.
The 2017-2018 season is extremely imperative.
If Lovett bolts, I honestly don't see a need for a JUCO or high school knee-jerk signing if the staff can get pledges from Ellison and Mussini to buy in to bigger roles. Simon will slide into the starting lineup, Mussini proved he can be a very solid 20 mpg scorer off the bench and Ellison can handle both spots. We also have Ahmed and Clark to add perimeter skills in smaller lineups or even play SG in a pinch. Ahmed particularly provides a lot of insurance for the position. Providence did just fine with much less.
The priority has to be a grad transfer big man.
Ellison may improve if he decides to put in an incredible amount of work, but Mussini should know by now that this level is too much for his fragile frame and lack of talent.
Both Ellison and Ahmed need to come off the bench
So then who starts?
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
5th year transfer
I think it's highly unlikely that Ahmed doesn't start. Clark hasn't shown that he has starter talent. Simon may have starter talent, but he hasn't shown it either. Ponds and Owens make sense, but is Mullin going to bench 3 out of 5 starters from last year's team?
Oh I agree. Ahmed will probably have to start because of lack of options. Recruiting guru?
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we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
Well, we need to be a better team with or without LoVett or we could easily find ourselves in predicament, if we don't land a solid, 2018 class. We can't afford three straight crappy seasons. We're going to need to be a beast on the grad transfers.
I know Paultzman doesn't believe we'll seriously scour the JUCO level, but I think we need to so. There are some high-scoring D-1 JUCO's still available. I'm sure there will be a few, 2017 kids who'll renege once the head coach of the respective schools have been either fired or took another gig.
The 2017-2018 season is extremely imperative.
If Lovett bolts, I honestly don't see a need for a JUCO or high school knee-jerk signing if the staff can get pledges from Ellison and Mussini to buy in to bigger roles. Simon will slide into the starting lineup, Mussini proved he can be a very solid 20 mpg scorer off the bench and Ellison can handle both spots. We also have Ahmed and Clark to add perimeter skills in smaller lineups or even play SG in a pinch. Ahmed particularly provides a lot of insurance for the position. Providence did just fine with much less.
The priority has to be a grad transfer big man.
Ellison may improve if he decides to put in an incredible amount of work, but Mussini should know by now that this level is too much for his fragile frame and lack of talent.
Both Ellison and Ahmed need to come off the bench
So then who starts?
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
5th year transfer
I think it's highly unlikely that Ahmed doesn't start. Clark hasn't shown that he has starter talent. Simon may have starter talent, but he hasn't shown it either. Ponds and Owens make sense, but is Mullin going to bench 3 out of 5 starters from last year's team?
Oh I agree. Ahmed will probably have to start because of lack of options. Recruiting guru?
They need a real coach on the coaching staff. The team plays like sissies. Mike Rice is fine with me. I don't care if he's crazy.
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we likely won't be a better team without him next year but he's not Marcus Hatten either. We were a 14-win team.
Well, we need to be a better team with or without LoVett or we could easily find ourselves in predicament, if we don't land a solid, 2018 class. We can't afford three straight crappy seasons. We're going to need to be a beast on the grad transfers.
I know Paultzman doesn't believe we'll seriously scour the JUCO level, but I think we need to so. There are some high-scoring D-1 JUCO's still available. I'm sure there will be a few, 2017 kids who'll renege once the head coach of the respective schools have been either fired or took another gig.
The 2017-2018 season is extremely imperative.
If Lovett bolts, I honestly don't see a need for a JUCO or high school knee-jerk signing if the staff can get pledges from Ellison and Mussini to buy in to bigger roles. Simon will slide into the starting lineup, Mussini proved he can be a very solid 20 mpg scorer off the bench and Ellison can handle both spots. We also have Ahmed and Clark to add perimeter skills in smaller lineups or even play SG in a pinch. Ahmed particularly provides a lot of insurance for the position. Providence did just fine with much less.
The priority has to be a grad transfer big man.
Ellison may improve if he decides to put in an incredible amount of work, but Mussini should know by now that this level is too much for his fragile frame and lack of talent.
Both Ellison and Ahmed need to come off the bench
So then who starts?
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Owens
5th year transfer
I think it's highly unlikely that Ahmed doesn't start. Clark hasn't shown that he has starter talent. Simon may have starter talent, but he hasn't shown it either. Ponds and Owens make sense, but is Mullin going to bench 3 out of 5 starters from last year's team?
Oh I agree. Ahmed will probably have to start because of lack of options. Recruiting guru?
They need a real coach on the coaching staff. The team plays like sissies. Mike Rice is fine with me. I don't care if he's crazy.
Yup. I'm with ya on that. Someone needs to put their foot down
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How can you say that absolutely with Ponds and Simon on the roster? We were 4-1 when Lovett played 25 or less minutes and 2-1 when he didn't played at all. That was almost half of our wins.
Ponds will easily be one of the ten best PGs nationally next year IMO and Simon was ranked #35 (ahead of Lovett) overall in 2015. It's almost like you are assuming he'll be a bust because
of our luck. What if he's an animal like Owens? How many pts would a defensive stopper that hits the glass, didn't fall after every layup, got back on D, and could handle his own getting caught dow low with a wing or big on a switch makeup from this past squad? We couldn't stop anyone this year. The dual mighty mouse backcourt (which I do love) only works if they can be physical and play above average D. That will never be Lovett's game. Simon is 35 lbs heavier and 7 inches taller. How many minutes do you think Lovett would have played at Arizona as a 160 lb true freshman with Jackson-Cartwright, Alonzo Trier, Gabe York, and Kadeem Allen? We're talking about the highest rated kid we've had here (tied with Dom) in 20 years!
Any transfer that came here with Ponds, Lovett, and Simon each having three years left would have needed their head checked. It will still be a hard sell without Lovett, but it opens
the door a bit--especially for a "pure" point.
Lovett leaving being a bad thing has little to do with how good Ponds and Simon are. They can be great players and we could still be a really good team without Lovett. Lovett returning wouldn't take any minutes away from either. His minutes would come at the expense of Ellison and Mussini (if both stay). There's no way having Ellison or Mussini on the court over Lovett makes us better.
With basketball continuing to evolve into a more guard oriented game, having Lovett, Ponds and Simon on the court at the same time would be a very solid backcourt and still allows us to go big or small at the 4/5 as Simon has the size and athleticism to defend 3s. If that lineup isn't getting the job done on defense you can still only play 2 out of the 3 on the court at the same time without having to cut their minutes all that much.
Also, saying Ponds will easily be a top 10 PG nationally next year is a ridiculous thing to say considering he's not even a true PG and we'd be much better off with him playing the 2.
Time will tell. Basketball is about the sum being greater than the parts. I wish we could
trade past and current players. Lovett would have been great on the Felipe teams (Turner was awful)...Pointer's wasted junior year with Lavin using him exclusively on the perimeter
could have put this team on the bubble. Owens on the Elite Eight squad? We could have had three Lovetts this past season and not won more than 14-15 games.
We have plenty of shooting, dribble penetration, and passing...we need size, strength, defense,
and rebounding. I posted throughout the season that our best option was always Ponds. He's creates better looks, he delivers passes that are easier to handle, he plays under more
Control and at a better pace, and he is a better shooter than Lovett. Take away Ponds and
it's a different story. You need to recognize this kid's greatness. If he realizes his defensive potential, he's the Big East P.O.Y..
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How can you say that absolutely with Ponds and Simon on the roster?
You can say absolutely because they'd still be on the roster if Lovett stayed. Lovett not being there means more minutes for Missini and Ellison. Lovett is better than those two by three country miles. Missini does one thing well and he does it oh so very slightly better than Lovett and Ellison is brain dead.
Pick a three guard rotation for your team that's going to play 80 minutes a game:
Ponds / Simon / Lovett
Ponds / Simon / Ellison
Ponds / Simon / Mussini
Come on now.
We were 4-1 when Lovett played 25 or less minutes and 2-1 when he didn't played at all. That was almost half of our wins.
Those four games were Northridge, Tulane, and Depaul and Georgetown at home. The common element between those wins isn't that Lovett played less than 25 minutes per game.
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It's kinda like say Seton Hall would be better without Whitehead. On paper it looks ridiculous, but maybe as a team overall they are a bit more cohesive without him this season. We have to morph in a similar way that the Hall did without Whitehead. A huge athletic PG like Simon could help a lot especially on defense where Lovett was poor. His size could be imposing for other guards in a different way. I think more important for us is finding a frontcourt transfer that can create some problems. Dave has mentioned more than once that the staff already seemingly has an option there. Let's see what they come up with.
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It's kinda like say Seton Hall would be better without Whitehead. On paper it looks ridiculous, but maybe as a team overall they are a bit more cohesive without him this season. We have to morph in a similar way that the Hall did without Whitehead.
SH won 25 games last year and 21 this year. If we morph like that we'll win 10 games.
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St John's is the only BB program in the country that gets better by talented players leaving. What's really amazing is that all the getting better by virtue of all the talent leaving has resulted in a single post season victory this century. Perhaps a paradigm shift is in order: keep the talented players and get rid of the less talented players and see what happens.
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It's kinda like say Seton Hall would be better without Whitehead. On paper it looks ridiculous, but maybe as a team overall they are a bit more cohesive without him this season. We have to morph in a similar way that the Hall did without Whitehead. A huge athletic PG like Simon could help a lot especially on defense where Lovett was poor. His size could be imposing for other guards in a different way. I think more important for us is finding a frontcourt transfer that can create some problems. Dave has mentioned more than once that the staff already seemingly has an option there. Let's see what they come up with.
They won the BE with him. They would have been a sweet 16 team or better with him this year.
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We are not better without Lovett but we still should be improved next year despite him leaving. He is a talent and would have probably have been even more effective next year with better players around him. It is a shame he is leaving but such is the world of college athletics now.
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We are not better without Lovett but we still should be improved next year despite him leaving. He is a talent and would have probably have been even more effective next year with better players around him. It is a shame he is leaving but such is the world of college athletics now.
why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
Not done yet.
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We are not better without Lovett but we still should be improved next year despite him leaving. He is a talent and would have probably have been even more effective next year with better players around him. It is a shame he is leaving but such is the world of college athletics now.
why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
Not done yet.
I don't understand why LoVett shouldn't test the waters and see where he stands. If I were his agent, and I were good at my job, I'd encourage him to see how he measures up to other point guards with NBA aspirations. Finally, college kids are allowed to explore options and still return to school.
And, if we are so certain that he wouldn't be drafted because of the amount of guard talent available then he'll return a better player after having played against better competition than he did all season, sans Nova, of course.
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why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
It must be true, the Magic Eight Baldi pronounced it. But only obliquely, so that if it doesn't happen he can deny it later.
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why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
It must be true, the Magic Eight Baldi pronounced it. But only obliquely, so that if it doesn't happen he can deny it later.
I pronounced it a month go, before any of these so called twitter journalists even thought to ask him about it. I hope he stays, but it seemed like he always had a foot out the door from the beginning.
Also, it was brought to my attention that Baldi posts are being mentioned on the JV message board
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why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
It must be true, the Magic Eight Baldi pronounced it. But only obliquely, so that if it doesn't happen he can deny it later.
I pronounced it a month go, before any of these so called twitter journalists even thought to ask him about it. I hope he stays, but it seemed like he always had a foot out the door from the beginning.
Also, it was brought to my attention that Baldi posts are being mentioned on the JV message board
You announced that two or was it three or four of them were leaving.
I saw the RM post, evidently someone called Ricky Smith is a fan of yours.
PS The Magic Eight Baldi, that was HiLaRiOuS.
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Now we need Mussini to to come back
I thought you said having two 6 foot guards who don't play D is a bad thing? We already have Ponds.
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We are not better without Lovett but we still should be improved next year despite him leaving. He is a talent and would have probably have been even more effective next year with better players around him. It is a shame he is leaving but such is the world of college athletics now.
why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
Not done yet.
I don't understand why LoVett shouldn't test the waters and see where he stands. If I were his agent, and I were good at my job, I'd encourage him to see how he measures up to other point guards with NBA aspirations. Finally, college kids are allowed to explore options and still return to school.
And, if we are so certain that he wouldn't be drafted because of the amount of guard talent available then he'll return a better player after having played against better competition than he did all season, sans Nova, of course.
Agreed, however that uncertainty would carry through the entire Spring Signing period.
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We are not better without Lovett but we still should be improved next year despite him leaving. He is a talent and would have probably have been even more effective next year with better players around him. It is a shame he is leaving but such is the world of college athletics now.
why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
Not done yet.
Nothing is a certainty when it comes to Lovett. I like him as a player and would rather have him here than leaving. But then again I can live without the drama and things that comes with it. What was it 3 or 4 times he didn't start because of minor disciplinary issues?
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why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
It must be true, the Magic Eight Baldi pronounced it. But only obliquely, so that if it doesn't happen he can deny it later.
I pronounced it a month go, before any of these so called twitter journalists even thought to ask him about it. I hope he stays, but it seemed like he always had a foot out the door from the beginning.
Also, it was brought to my attention that Baldi posts are being mentioned on the JV message board
Last week you said he was staying. LOL
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We are not better without Lovett but we still should be improved next year despite him leaving. He is a talent and would have probably have been even more effective next year with better players around him. It is a shame he is leaving but such is the world of college athletics now.
why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
Not done yet.
Nothing is a certainty when it comes to Lovett. I like him as a player and would rather have him here than leaving. But then again I can live without the drama and things that comes with it. What was it 3 or 4 times he didn't start because of minor disciplinary issues?
Welcome back Moose.
Was not disciplinary reasons, several on the board said it was a basketball decision ;)
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why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
It must be true, the Magic Eight Baldi pronounced it. But only obliquely, so that if it doesn't happen he can deny it later.
I pronounced it a month go, before any of these so called twitter journalists even thought to ask him about it. I hope he stays, but it seemed like he always had a foot out the door from the beginning.
Also, it was brought to my attention that Baldi posts are being mentioned on the JV message board
Last week you said he was staying. LOL
He was staying last week
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why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
It must be true, the Magic Eight Baldi pronounced it. But only obliquely, so that if it doesn't happen he can deny it later.
I pronounced it a month go, before any of these so called twitter journalists even thought to ask him about it. I hope he stays, but it seemed like he always had a foot out the door from the beginning.
Also, it was brought to my attention that Baldi posts are being mentioned on the JV message board
You announced that two or was it three or four of them were leaving.
I saw the RM post, evidently someone called Ricky Smith is a fan of yours.
PS The Magic Eight Baldi, that was HiLaRiOuS.
I can run with the Magic Eight Baldi, fo shizzle.
Ricky Smith is a good man
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How can you say that absolutely with Ponds and Simon on the roster?
You can say absolutely because they'd still be on the roster if Lovett stayed. Lovett not being there means more minutes for Missini and Ellison. Lovett is better than those two by three country miles. Missini does one thing well and he does it oh so very slightly better than Lovett and Ellison is brain dead.
Pick a three guard rotation for your team that's going to play 80 minutes a game:
Ponds / Simon / Lovett
Ponds / Simon / Ellison
Ponds / Simon / Mussini
Come on now.
We were 4-1 when Lovett played 25 or less minutes and 2-1 when he didn't played at all. That was almost half of our wins.
Those four games were Northridge, Tulane, and Depaul and Georgetown at home. The common element between those wins isn't that Lovett played less than 25 minutes per game.
Instead of a 3 guard lineup. W Clark here . Bash could play the 3. I think he will be much improved next year. What we need is another big.. If mussini doesn't leave I think were OK w our guards. Simon probably has improved his shooting working w Mullin and Mitch.
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We are not better without Lovett but we still should be improved next year despite him leaving. He is a talent and would have probably have been even more effective next year with better players around him. It is a shame he is leaving but such is the world of college athletics now.
why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
Not done yet.
I don't understand why LoVett shouldn't test the waters and see where he stands. If I were his agent, and I were good at my job, I'd encourage him to see how he measures up to other point guards with NBA aspirations. Finally, college kids are allowed to explore options and still return to school.
And, if we are so certain that he wouldn't be drafted because of the amount of guard talent available then he'll return a better player after having played against better competition than he did all season, sans Nova, of course.
Agreed, however that uncertainty would carry through the entire Spring Signing period.
If Mussini is staying, we may be able to go with Simon at the 1 with one of Mussini or Ellison spelling him at times. I have not seen the ability to run the offense at all from either of them. I prefer them off the ball, and off the bench until they play a better and more consistent game.
To his credit, I will say that over the last few games, Mussini started getting more physical on defense and started to hit some useful shots from places other than the 3 point line. Not amazing play, but he contributed off the bench. Ellison needs to find his center. The guy was a hot mess. I still stink he could turn out to be a good player, but he isn't one yet. If he returns for his junior season, he should have an even more well rounded game. I'd like to see him get better at putting it on the floor and getting into the lane.
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We are not better without Lovett but we still should be improved next year despite him leaving. He is a talent and would have probably have been even more effective next year with better players around him. It is a shame he is leaving but such is the world of college athletics now.
why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
Not done yet.
Worded the post poorly. Was more aiming to speak about if he leaves what we would do. In re-reading it I made it sound as if he is gone while I have no actual direct knowledge of that. Either way I think we will be improved next season but would be easier with Marcus.
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I know Baldi a long time. He reports what he gets from his sources. Sources sometimes don't get the right message or, the latest message.. Who knows what Lovett will do? When he decides, the Staff will do what is necessary to replace him. I think Ponds can run the Point and like him to have the ball as much as possible. Ellison is not a point forward despite Mullin and staff thinking so. Both, Ponds and Lovett did have some trouble passing over Zones with Big Guards up top, which I presume was why Ellison handled the ball as much as he did. Perhaps Simon is the PG we require for the BE schedule. We will see.
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I know Baldi a long time. He reports what he gets from his sources. Sources sometimes don't get the right message or, the latest message.. Who knows what Lovett will do? When he decides, the Staff will do what is necessary to replace him. I think Ponds can run the Point and like him to have the ball as much as possible. Ellison is not a point forward despite Mullin and staff thinking so. Both, Ponds and Lovett did have some trouble passing over Zones with Big Guards up top, which I presume was why Ellison handled the ball as much as he did. Perhaps Simon is the PG we require for the BE schedule. We will see.
Slyfoxx! Been a long time! Great to see you back here
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Thanks Marco.. i'm on the other site, now and again.. But, different handle . You are always a good source for information.In this era of fake news, who knows what is the true story until it is confirmed.. In Lovett's case the speculation started before the end of the Season as rumors started. That fact, combined with kind of a downturn in his performance with his game, would fuel the leaving possibilities. Personally, I thought he wore down from the pounding he took and also frustrated with all his passes to Yakwe down low being fumbled, kicked or thrown over the backboard. You can't be a PG if the other players don't deliver the Mail.
Either way, we will be a better team next year.
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Thanks Marco.. i'm on the other site, now and again.. But, different handle . You are always a good source for information.In this era of fake news, who knows what is the true story until it is confirmed.. In Lovett's case the speculation started before the end of the Season as rumors started. That fact, combined with kind of a downturn in his performance with his game, would fuel the leaving possibilities. Personally, I thought he wore down from the pounding he took and also frustrated with all his passes to Yakwe down low being fumbled, kicked or thrown over the backboard. You can't be a PG if the other players don't deliver the Mail.
Either way, we will be a better team next year.
Lovett(and others) drove me crazy because they never learned from their mistakes. The low dribble between 2 defenders never works. Nor does the pass to the big man on the run. Yet our guards continued to do so. That's on the coaching also
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Thanks Marco.. i'm on the other site, now and again.. But, different handle . You are always a good source for information.In this era of fake news, who knows what is the true story until it is confirmed.. In Lovett's case the speculation started before the end of the Season as rumors started. That fact, combined with kind of a downturn in his performance with his game, would fuel the leaving possibilities. Personally, I thought he wore down from the pounding he took and also frustrated with all his passes to Yakwe down low being fumbled, kicked or thrown over the backboard. You can't be a PG if the other players don't deliver the Mail.
Either way, we will be a better team next year.
Lovett(and others) drove me crazy because they never learned from their mistakes. The low dribble between 2 defenders never works. Nor does the pass to the big man on the run. Yet our guards continued to do so. That's on the coaching also
They ran plays for Yakwe like he was Walter Berry. His regression is odd. Last year, it seemed like he was a promising all conference player. Now he just seems lost.
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Thanks Marco.. i'm on the other site, now and again.. But, different handle . You are always a good source for information.In this era of fake news, who knows what is the true story until it is confirmed.. In Lovett's case the speculation started before the end of the Season as rumors started. That fact, combined with kind of a downturn in his performance with his game, would fuel the leaving possibilities. Personally, I thought he wore down from the pounding he took and also frustrated with all his passes to Yakwe down low being fumbled, kicked or thrown over the backboard. You can't be a PG if the other players don't deliver the Mail.
Either way, we will be a better team next year.
Lovett(and others) drove me crazy because they never learned from their mistakes. The low dribble between 2 defenders never works. Nor does the pass to the big man on the run. Yet our guards continued to do so. That's on the coaching also
They ran plays for Yakwe like he was Walter Berry. His regression is odd. Last year, it seemed like he was a promising all conference player. Now he just seems lost.
I said it for months, staff needs someone to work with the big men
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Thanks Marco.. i'm on the other site, now and again.. But, different handle . You are always a good source for information.In this era of fake news, who knows what is the true story until it is confirmed.. In Lovett's case the speculation started before the end of the Season as rumors started. That fact, combined with kind of a downturn in his performance with his game, would fuel the leaving possibilities. Personally, I thought he wore down from the pounding he took and also frustrated with all his passes to Yakwe down low being fumbled, kicked or thrown over the backboard. You can't be a PG if the other players don't deliver the Mail.
Either way, we will be a better team next year.
Lovett(and others) drove me crazy because they never learned from their mistakes. The low dribble between 2 defenders never works. Nor does the pass to the big man on the run. Yet our guards continued to do so. That's on the coaching also
Lovett drove me crazy when ever he drove towards the hoop and he would fall on the floor (looking for camera time) after a difficult shot and make but he missed more than he made and left the player he was guarding uncovered leading to many easy makes for our opponents.
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How can you say that absolutely with Ponds and Simon on the roster?
You can say absolutely because they'd still be on the roster if Lovett stayed. Lovett not being there means more minutes for Missini and Ellison. Lovett is better than those two by three country miles. Missini does one thing well and he does it oh so very slightly better than Lovett and Ellison is brain dead.
Pick a three guard rotation for your team that's going to play 80 minutes a game:
Ponds / Simon / Lovett
Ponds / Simon / Ellison
Ponds / Simon / Mussini
Come on now.
We were 4-1 when Lovett played 25 or less minutes and 2-1 when he didn't played at all. That was almost half of our wins.
Those four games were Northridge, Tulane, and Depaul and Georgetown at home. The common element between those wins isn't that Lovett played less than 25 minutes per game.
I'd rather have his on-court talent than not. His drama can tear apart a fragile program like St. John's, though. He's missing classes and showing up late to team functions with an "I"ll be a pro soon" mentality. I think his best role is probably off the bench for 20 mpg, but what are the odds he buys into that?
I know it's an unfair comparison, but Hatten would have had this team dancing his first year. I think we could be better off with Ponds, Geno Thorpe, and Simon.
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Thanks Marco.. i'm on the other site, now and again.. But, different handle . You are always a good source for information.In this era of fake news, who knows what is the true story until it is confirmed.. In Lovett's case the speculation started before the end of the Season as rumors started. That fact, combined with kind of a downturn in his performance with his game, would fuel the leaving possibilities. Personally, I thought he wore down from the pounding he took and also frustrated with all his passes to Yakwe down low being fumbled, kicked or thrown over the backboard. You can't be a PG if the other players don't deliver the Mail.
Either way, we will be a better team next year.
Lovett(and others) drove me crazy because they never learned from their mistakes. The low dribble between 2 defenders never works. Nor does the pass to the big man on the run. Yet our guards continued to do so. That's on the coaching also
Lovett drove me crazy when ever he drove towards the hoop and he would fall on the floor (looking for camera time) after a difficult shot and make but he missed more than he made and left the player he was guarding uncovered leading to many easy makes for our opponents.
Yup. As I've been saying all year, we are probably the only team to have the guards the last back on defense
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Sly and Moose back in one day. It's a reunion!
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We are not better without Lovett but we still should be improved next year despite him leaving. He is a talent and would have probably have been even more effective next year with better players around him. It is a shame he is leaving but such is the world of college athletics now.
why is everyone talking like this is certainty?
Not done yet.
Because that is the way things go for St. John's nearly always. We don't get the lucky bounce...
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It's kinda like say Seton Hall would be better without Whitehead. On paper it looks ridiculous, but maybe as a team overall they are a bit more cohesive without him this season. We have to morph in a similar way that the Hall did without Whitehead. A huge athletic PG like Simon could help a lot especially on defense where Lovett was poor. His size could be imposing for other guards in a different way. I think more important for us is finding a frontcourt transfer that can create some problems. Dave has mentioned more than once that the staff already seemingly has an option there. Let's see what they come up with.
They won the BE with him. They would have been a sweet 16 team or better with him this year.
Don't disagree. We aren't better without Lovett. Just saying that they are a team that's right back in NCAA's without him, maybe some different strengths. Agree they'd have been better with him this year, but they didn't lose too many steps.
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No news good news?
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Personally, I don't think we will hear any official news until the tournament is over with.
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Would be a good sign if he is still attending classes. At least would keep options open.
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Since when do hoop players have to go to class.....oh wait, this is not the ACC
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Since when do hoop players have to go to class.....oh wait, this is not the ACC
I assure you basketball players at Duke and ND go to class. THat's a UNC thing...not an ACC thing.
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Isn't it too soon for LoVett to know where he stands when compared to other guards who are turning pro? Personally, I don't think he's going anywhere. Unfortunately for him, I think he's going to experience some humble pie. Thing is, I don't think it's so unfortunate. He's really talented, but he needs a lot of work. Guy can't guard a lamp post. Let him come back and show that he can dominate the BE.
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I think Lovett is very good and wil be even better with some real talent around him. That said, watching the tournament just reaffirms fact that we need to get some size. You cant win with a bunch of short and underweight players. Marquette who is bigger than we are looked like boys against South Carolina.
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Isn't it too soon for LoVett to know where he stands when compared to other guards who are turning pro? Personally, I don't think he's going anywhere. Unfortunately for him, I think he's going to experience some humble pie. Thing is, I don't think it's so unfortunate. He's really talented, but he needs a lot of work. Guy can't guard a lamp post. Let him come back and show that he can dominate the BE.
100% correct. I know he wants to move on, but sentiment from scouts is going to be against him. I think he will be back, but that's just a guess at this point.
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I think Lovett is very good and wil be even better with some real talent around him. That said, watching the tournament just reaffirms fact that we need to get some size. You cant win with a bunch of short and underweight players. Marquette who is bigger than we are looked like boys against South Carolina.
Agree here. We are getting Simon, a very big and long guard, and Clark who is very strong forward. That said, we need some size and skill at PF/c as well. I still think Nova would have repeated in NCAA's if Spellman were eligible. He's a beast and would have been a difference maker for them.
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Isn't it too soon for LoVett to know where he stands when compared to other guards who are turning pro? Personally, I don't think he's going anywhere. Unfortunately for him, I think he's going to experience some humble pie. Thing is, I don't think it's so unfortunate. He's really talented, but he needs a lot of work. Guy can't guard a lamp post. Let him come back and show that he can dominate the BE.
100% correct. I know he wants to move on, but sentiment from scouts is going to be against him. I think he will be back, but that's just a guess at this point.
Not a lot of 6 foot point guards in the NBA who didn't make the NIT in college.
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Isn't it too soon for LoVett to know where he stands when compared to other guards who are turning pro? Personally, I don't think he's going anywhere. Unfortunately for him, I think he's going to experience some humble pie. Thing is, I don't think it's so unfortunate. He's really talented, but he needs a lot of work. Guy can't guard a lamp post. Let him come back and show that he can dominate the BE.
It's not too soon. He's doesn't compare. This might be the most talented PG draft in a decade and the first two picks will be PGs (Ball and Fultz) and there could be as many as six PGs taken in the first ten picks depending on how you classify Monk of Kentucky.
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Isn't it too soon for LoVett to know where he stands when compared to other guards who are turning pro? Personally, I don't think he's going anywhere. Unfortunately for him, I think he's going to experience some humble pie. Thing is, I don't think it's so unfortunate. He's really talented, but he needs a lot of work. Guy can't guard a lamp post. Let him come back and show that he can dominate the BE.
depending on how you classify Monk of Kentucky.
People aren't saying monk is a pg I hope
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Isn't it too soon for LoVett to know where he stands when compared to other guards who are turning pro? Personally, I don't think he's going anywhere. Unfortunately for him, I think he's going to experience some humble pie. Thing is, I don't think it's so unfortunate. He's really talented, but he needs a lot of work. Guy can't guard a lamp post. Let him come back and show that he can dominate the BE.
depending on how you classify Monk of Kentucky.
People aren't saying monk is a pg I hope
Kind of the issue with him. At next level hard for him to play off the ball at his size. Plus he oddly has T-Rex arms for someone who is so freakishly athletic.
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Isn't it too soon for LoVett to know where he stands when compared to other guards who are turning pro? Personally, I don't think he's going anywhere. Unfortunately for him, I think he's going to experience some humble pie. Thing is, I don't think it's so unfortunate. He's really talented, but he needs a lot of work. Guy can't guard a lamp post. Let him come back and show that he can dominate the BE.
depending on how you classify Monk of Kentucky.
People aren't saying monk is a pg I hope
Kind of the issue with him. At next level hard for him to play off the ball at his size. Plus he oddly has T-Rex arms for someone who is so freakishly athletic.
Yea I actually thought he was taller than what he is listed. Really gets off the floor on his jumper but wingspan seems to be really valued so if you're right that wouldn't bode well for him. 'Bench scorer' is what I think he'll be. All around game doesn't impress me enough to take him in the top 10.
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If Lovett were to go pro it would be to overseas. I think he understands he won't get picked by NBA teams but he figures to give it a shot, try to make a summer league team and thenplay overseas. He's older than a lot of us realize and his time to make money is now.
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He's older than a lot of us realize
Is he actually 29, instead of 21?
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If Lovett were to go pro it would be to overseas. I think he understands he won't get picked by NBA teams but he figures to give it a shot, try to make a summer league team and thenplay overseas. He's older than a lot of us realize and his time to make money is now.
I would argue that his time to make money is over the next 45 years. And he maximizes that earning potential by obtaining a college degree and marketable skills.
In my opinion it is short sighted to drop that opportunity in favor of a short lived career in the Trukish basketball league.
If Marcus was serious about returning to school when his playing days end, then I could understand a go-pro decision a little more. And maybe he is. I don't know.
But someone needs to remind him that hell be working till he's 65 or 70 years old. His basketball career may only be 5 or 6 seasons, and that's if he's lucky. You need skills other than a crossover to suceed in the long-term.
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If Lovett were to go pro it would be to overseas. I think he understands he won't get picked by NBA teams but he figures to give it a shot, try to make a summer league team and thenplay overseas. He's older than a lot of us realize and his time to make money is now.
I would argue that his time to make money is over the next 45 years. And he maximizes that earning potential by obtaining a college degree and marketable skills.
In my opinion it is short sighted to drop that opportunity in favor of a short lived career in the Trukish basketball league.
If Marcus was serious about returning to school when his playing days end, then I could understand a go-pro decision a little more. And maybe he is. I don't know.
But someone needs to remind him that hell be working till he's 65 or 70 years old. His basketball career may only be 5 or 6 seasons, and that's if he's lucky. You need skills other than a crossover to suceed in the long-term.
Agreed. If I were giving Marcus advice my fear would be god forbid he has a bad injury in his first year playing overseas. Where does he turn then with only one year of college? If you are not going to be making millions then it is always smart to get an education.
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Thanks to NCAA Lovett has two years of college so far.
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Thanks to NCAA Lovett has two years of college so far.
Correct I misspoke but message is still the same.
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Would be a good sign if he is still attending classes. At least would keep options open.
Very much a good sign. Any students out there taking any of his classes ?
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He's older than a lot of us realize
Is he actually 29, instead of 21?
Good one. Feel like a lot of people think he's 19. At 21, he': never playing in the NBA. If he stays 3 years he'll be getting drafted at almost 24 years old. That doesn't happen.
And to the guy who said his time to make is over the next 45 years, he isn't Gods'Gift Achiuwa, he could probably make a couple hundred thousand playing overseas for 3 years while trying to make summer league teams instead of delaying that option for 3 years and almost guaranteeing he never makes an NBA squad. I hope he comes back but if I were him, I'd strongly consider leaving.
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Question. If Lovett wanted to go pro, could he just hire an agent and try and get a job playing in China or Turkey? Their is no draft process? Why wait until next season?
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He's older than a lot of us realize
Is he actually 29, instead of 21?
Haha. I know that there's a minimum age limit for the NBA. However, I didn't know there was a maximum age limit as well.
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Which PG will be pocked first out of Fultz, Ball, Fox, and Lovett?
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Which PG will be pocked first out of Fultz, Ball, Fox, and Lovett?
Fultz though something seems wrong about a number one pick pg not able to get his team more than nine wins.
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Which PG will be pocked first out of Fultz, Ball, Fox, and Lovett?
Fultz though something seems wrong about a number one pick pg not able to get his team more than nine wins.
Fultz is incredible. I think he's the clear #1 and it isn't close.
I don't think choosing Fox over Ball is a stretch. Smith very close but next tier down.
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Which PG will be pocked first out of Fultz, Ball, Fox, and Lovett?
Fultz though something seems wrong about a number one pick pg not able to get his team more than nine wins.
I think you missed my dis to Lovett. I agree, though, that something doesn't add up with a #1 caliber pick as a 6'4 PG, the position that can have more of an impact than any other at the college level, playing on a team with some decent talent (Noah Dickerson was #52, Crisp was #101, and Thybulle was #76 in 2016) an going 9-22. It's a total red flag they weren't around .500 or better.
My first pick would be Fox. I want no part of the Lavar Ball shit show and I think people are blinded by Ball's obvious similarity to Jason Kidd.
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Which PG will be pocked first out of Fultz, Ball, Fox, and Lovett?
It's not like he's declared anything. What's the beef?
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Which PG will be pocked first out of Fultz, Ball, Fox, and Lovett?
Fultz though something seems wrong about a number one pick pg not able to get his team more than nine wins.
I think you missed my dis to Lovett. I agree, though, that something doesn't add up with a #1 caliber pick as a 6'4 PG, the position that can have more of an impact than any other at the college level, playing on a team with some decent talent (Noah Dickerson was #52, Crisp was #101, and Thybulle was #76 in 2016) an going 9-22. It's a total red flag they weren't around .500 or better.
My first pick would be Fox. I want no part of the Lavar Ball shit show and I think people are blinded by Ball's obvious similarity to Jason Kidd.
No was silly so we all chose to ignore it
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Looks like he is still on campus based on his latest Instagram story. This was also part of the post:
http://imgur.com/a/l1oiM