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St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Marillac on March 16, 2017, 09:12:53 PM

Title: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marillac on March 16, 2017, 09:12:53 PM
Is it fair to say they've saved our conference? Jesus...they are almost automatic first round through injuries and semi-down years.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Moose on March 17, 2017, 07:51:50 AM
To me the Big East has to advance multiple teams to the 2nd week.  For years its been the bugaboo where they might win a game but then lose.  Great that the conference went 3-0 yesterday but besides Nova can at least 2 teams advance to next week?
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Wods317 on March 17, 2017, 10:06:07 AM
Two of the most underrated programs in the country. The names change and players get injured but the results stay mostly the same. This is consistency that we are striving for. Butler has a matchup against a 12 seed, yes they are a very strong 12 seed but hopefully they can take care of business. Xavier has a tough matchup with FSU which probably the longest team in the country, don't expect a win there.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: QuanMan on March 17, 2017, 11:06:27 AM
I expect Butler to be well prepared for MTSt. After experiencing Hinkle and their game day atmosphere first hand, they are definitely underappreciated by the common BE fan. They are a tremendous program.

Coach Mack is one of the most underrated coach's in the country. 7 tourney's, 2A10 titles, 3 Sweet 16's in 8 years! His Cincy and Xavier roots are what is keeping him home. Much like Cooley except he actually went to Xavier. He's raising his kids in Xavier blue, has a great thing going, I don't expect him to jump to Indiana or Illinois bc of this. He's a terrific cog for the conference.

One common theme with our coaches, unlike the ACC (Mack, Holtmann, Cooley, Wright, Mullin, Willard, Wojo, McD) is that they're all in their 40's, early 50's. They are hungry and are just getting started.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marillac on March 17, 2017, 03:58:13 PM
To me the Big East has to advance multiple teams to the 2nd week.  For years its been the bugaboo where they might win a game but then lose.  Great that the conference went 3-0 yesterday but besides Nova can at least 2 teams advance to next week?

I'm worried about Nova-Wisconsin, but I think we can see one of Butler and Xavier make it. Those two programs just always play to their best every tournament when teams like SH and
Providence seem to find ways to lose.

Creighton really needs to step up.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marillac on March 18, 2017, 07:57:58 PM
To me the Big East has to advance multiple teams to the 2nd week.  For years its been the bugaboo where they might win a game but then lose.  Great that the conference went 3-0 yesterday but besides Nova can at least 2 teams advance to next week?

I'm worried about Nova-Wisconsin, but I think we can see one of Butler and Xavier make it. Those two programs just always play to their best every tournament when teams like SH and
Providence seem to find ways to lose.

Creighton really needs to step up.


I guess this becomes the thread. Disappointing day and a half of hoops for the conference.
Xavier up 20 with under eight and Butler approaching th half up eight.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: mjdinkins on March 18, 2017, 08:15:13 PM
Xavier proved me wrong, per thrashing Florida State.  Good job! 

Hopefully, Butler holds on in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Moose on March 18, 2017, 09:02:26 PM
Ahem
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 18, 2017, 09:11:42 PM
Chrabascz.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Celtics11 on March 18, 2017, 09:18:30 PM
Chrabascz.
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Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marillac on March 18, 2017, 09:20:57 PM
Butler and Xavier to the round of 16. Saving face for the conference. Xavier beat the brakes off FSU by 26 and it didn't even seem that close. We really need one of these teams to make it to the Elite Eight.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marillac on March 18, 2017, 10:29:56 PM
Refs have been horrendous in this tournament. It always seems to be the small private school
on the wrong end too. St. Mary's had it within five with about  1:30 left and had a player shoved in the back going for an offensive rebound by Markinen of Zona going full speed with an extended arm,  and they called it on the kid who got send in the second row from St. Mary's! Zona got two FTs in the double-bonus. What a way to end your season.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: redslope on March 18, 2017, 10:32:28 PM
Butler and Xavier to the round of 16. Saving face for the conference. Xavier beat the brakes off FSU by 26 and it didn't even seem that close. We really need one of these teams to make it to the Elite Eight.

Amen--let the bulldog in-woof, woof
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marillac on March 18, 2017, 10:40:43 PM
Tough day for the ACC. Virginia down 30, FSU got embarrassed by 25, ND lost by 11, and Syracuse lost in the NIT. 
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 18, 2017, 10:42:31 PM
Tough day for the ACC. Virginia down 30, FSU got embarrassed by 25, ND lost by 11, and Syracuse lost in the NIT. 

I think Duke wins it all
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Tha Kid on March 18, 2017, 11:07:19 PM
Refs have been horrendous in this tournament. It always seems to be the small private school
on the wrong end too. St. Mary's had it within five with about  1:30 left and had a player shoved in the back going for an offensive rebound by Markinen of Zona going full speed with an extended arm,  and they called it on the kid who got send in the second row from St. Mary's! Zona got two FTs in the double-bonus. What a way to end your season.


Horrible momentum crushing and game ending call.  A non call would have resulted in st Mary's ball out of bounds.  Gaels got jobbed in that one.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Tha Kid on March 18, 2017, 11:08:25 PM
Tough day for the ACC. Virginia down 30, FSU got embarrassed by 25, ND lost by 11, and Syracuse lost in the NIT. 

I think Duke wins it all

They aren't going to play a difficult game until the final four at this point.  Nova was only real challenge in the east.  Already beat Florida at msg early in season before team had even gelled.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marillac on March 18, 2017, 11:19:08 PM
Tough day for the ACC. Virginia down 30, FSU got embarrassed by 25, ND lost by 11, and Syracuse lost in the NIT. 

I think Duke wins it all

They aren't going to play a difficult game until the final four at this point.  Nova was only real challenge in the east.  Already beat Florida at msg early in season before team had even gelled.

South Carolina and then Baylor is a formidable path. I could see either team knocking them off.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: goredmen on March 18, 2017, 11:55:44 PM
Tough day for the ACC. Virginia down 30, FSU got embarrassed by 25, ND lost by 11, and Syracuse lost in the NIT. 

I think Duke wins it all

They aren't going to play a difficult game until the final four at this point.  Nova was only real challenge in the east.  Already beat Florida at msg early in season before team had even gelled.

South Carolina and then Baylor is a formidable path. I could see either team knocking them off.

Anybody can beat anybody, but South Carolina is a weak 7 and Baylor is a horrendous 3
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Poison on March 19, 2017, 12:22:24 AM
Tough day for the ACC. Virginia down 30, FSU got embarrassed by 25, ND lost by 11, and Syracuse lost in the NIT. 

I think Duke wins it all

They aren't going to play a difficult game until the final four at this point.  Nova was only real challenge in the east.  Already beat Florida at msg early in season before team had even gelled.

South Carolina and then Baylor is a formidable path. I could see either team knocking them off.

Anybody can beat anybody, but South Carolina is a weak 7 and Baylor is a horrendous 3

Didn't South Carolina just destroy Marquette?
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: goredmen on March 19, 2017, 12:31:53 AM
Tough day for the ACC. Virginia down 30, FSU got embarrassed by 25, ND lost by 11, and Syracuse lost in the NIT. 

I think Duke wins it all

They aren't going to play a difficult game until the final four at this point.  Nova was only real challenge in the east.  Already beat Florida at msg early in season before team had even gelled.

South Carolina and then Baylor is a formidable path. I could see either team knocking them off.

Anybody can beat anybody, but South Carolina is a weak 7 and Baylor is a horrendous 3

Didn't South Carolina just destroy Marquette?

Yeah, Marquette is a good cure for a struggling offense. South Carolina won just 2 of their last 7 games against mediocre SEC teams before that.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Johnny23 on March 19, 2017, 08:56:36 AM
Both Butler and Xavier have excellent coaching. Not surprised they're the two left standing. I thought that Nova's lack of interior size would end up being their downfall in this tourney and Happ and Hayes proved that yesterday.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marillac on March 19, 2017, 02:23:55 PM
2 seed Louisville goes down! ACC has lost five straight games and is down to 2 teams before the second round is over. Duke and UNC left today.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: mjdinkins on March 19, 2017, 02:27:05 PM
2 seed Louisville goes down! ACC has lost five straight games and is down to 2 teams before the second round is over. Duke and UNC left today.

Go 'Cocks!  Wooooooo, Pig! Sooie!
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: JohnnyJungle on March 19, 2017, 02:31:10 PM
2 seed Louisville goes down! ACC has lost five straight games and is down to 2 teams before the second round is over. Duke and UNC left today.

I'm hoping URI gets that W tonight. I have them in Elite 8.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Tha Kid on March 19, 2017, 05:23:28 PM
2 seed Louisville goes down! ACC has lost five straight games and is down to 2 teams before the second round is over. Duke and UNC left today.


Go 'Cocks!  Wooooooo, Pig! Sooie!

Sorry to disappoint but I'd bet a lot that duke  has a very easy time tonight.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Poison on March 19, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
I have South Carolina winning this game.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: carmineabbatiello on March 19, 2017, 06:13:41 PM
2 seed Louisville goes down! ACC has lost five straight games and is down to 2 teams before the second round is over. Duke and UNC left today.


Go 'Cocks!  Wooooooo, Pig! Sooie!

Sorry to disappoint but I'd bet a lot that duke  has a very easy time tonight.

At least you have a team in Kid.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Tha Kid on March 19, 2017, 06:16:03 PM
2 seed Louisville goes down! ACC has lost five straight games and is down to 2 teams before the second round is over. Duke and UNC left today.


Go 'Cocks!  Wooooooo, Pig! Sooie!

Sorry to disappoint but I'd bet a lot that duke  has a very easy time tonight.

At least you have a team in Kid.  Enjoy!

Thanks! planned a trip to Arizona final four weekend.  Hoping it's a basketball and golf trip and not just a golf trip.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marillac on March 19, 2017, 11:23:00 PM
Duke falls to South Carolina! Sorry Tha Kid...tough loss. They weren't going far without a PG, though. The ACC started with nine teams and they are down to just UNC now.

BTW, the freshman PG for South Carolina, Rakym Felder,was sensational. Low dribble, strong kid, great shot. They said he was from Brooklyn.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Tha Kid on March 19, 2017, 11:24:29 PM
Duke falls to South Carolina! Sorry Tha Kid...tough loss. They weren't going far without a PG, though. The ACC started with nine teams and they are down to just UNC now.

BTW, the freshman PG for South Carolina, Rakym Felder,was sensational. Low dribble, strong kid, great shot. They said he was from Brooklyn.


If that game was played anywhere but South Carolina, duke would have won.  That said the PG issue would have ended dukes season at some point so whatever.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: mjdinkins on March 19, 2017, 11:27:54 PM
Duke falls to South Carolina! Sorry Tha Kid...tough loss. They weren't going far without a PG, though. The ACC started with nine teams and they are down to just UNC now.

BTW, the freshman PG for South Carolina, Rakym Felder,was sensational. Low dribble, strong kid, great shot. They said he was from Brooklyn.


Felder is from Brooklyn.  He played a year or two of high school ball at Indian Land High in South Carolina.  He played alongside Darnell Rogers (former George Washington's point guard, Shawnta Rogers' son).
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: cjfish on March 20, 2017, 10:25:58 AM
Duke falls to South Carolina! Sorry Tha Kid...tough loss. They weren't going far without a PG, though. The ACC started with nine teams and they are down to just UNC now.

BTW, the freshman PG for South Carolina, Rakym Felder,was sensational. Low dribble, strong kid, great shot. They said he was from Brooklyn.




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If that game was played anywhere but South Carolina, duke would have won.  That said the PG issue would have ended dukes season at some point so whatever.






I feel real bad for Duke having to play outside NC in the tournament for the first time in years and their fans using this as an excuse.  Pathetic privileged dookies.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marillac on March 24, 2017, 12:53:52 AM
 X on to the Elite Eight! Funny how everyone's favorite raging nice person and sniveling little dweeb, Fordham96, said Xavier wouldn't have been a Final Four contender with Summer but Duke and Louisville were.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 24, 2017, 01:00:50 AM
X on to the Elite Eight! Funny how everyone's favorite raging nice person and sniveling little dweeb, Fordham96, said Xavier wouldn't have been a Final Four contender with Summer but Duke and Louisville were.

Hahhaaahahahhaahhwh
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: JohnnyJungle on March 24, 2017, 01:17:49 AM
X just made SJU some money winning that game. Gotta love rev share.
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: goredmen on March 24, 2017, 01:22:32 AM
X just made SJU some money winning that game. Gotta love rev share.

That $ goes straight to Matt's increased paycheck :)
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: MCNPA on March 24, 2017, 08:46:09 AM
X just made SJU some money winning that game. Gotta love rev share.

And it isn't pennies either.  That's why a strong Big East is good for all.  Go Butler!
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Johnny23 on March 24, 2017, 09:56:54 AM
X just made SJU some money winning that game. Gotta love rev share.

Any idea on how much X made with the win and how that breaks down for each conf school?
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Marillac on March 24, 2017, 10:36:37 AM
X just made SJU some money winning that game. Gotta love rev share.

Any idea on how much X made with the win and how that breaks down for each conf school?

In 2015 it was 1.67 mill for just appearing each round. That has gone up slightly. Big East like most teams split it evenly amongst all members. So X made us about 200k by winning last night and 800k total this tournament.

A rough approximation for the tournament thus far rounding up to 2 mill per appearance:

7 bids x 2 mill
3 second round appearances x 2 mill
2 third round appearances x 2 mill
1 fourth round appearance (Butler remaining) x 2 mill

26 mill / 10 teams = 2.6 mill for SJU


Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: QuanMan on March 24, 2017, 10:38:47 AM
UNC falling to the Big East two years in a row would be ideal. Let's end the ACC's season tonight, finish them Butler!

Btw, there is a outside shot at a X/Butler championship game, it would be the first conference matchup in the final since 88', just saying!
Title: Re: Butler and Xavier
Post by: Johnny23 on March 24, 2017, 09:18:15 PM
X just made SJU some money winning that game. Gotta love rev share.

Any idea on how much X made with the win and how that breaks down for each conf school?

In 2015 it was 1.67 mill for just appearing each round. That has gone up slightly. Big East like most teams split it evenly amongst all members. So X made us about 200k by winning last night and 800k total this tournament.

A rough approximation for the tournament thus far rounding up to 2 mill per appearance:

7 bids x 2 mill
3 second round appearances x 2 mill
2 third round appearances x 2 mill
1 fourth round appearance (Butler remaining) x 2 mill

26 mill / 10 teams = 2.6 mill for SJU

Nice breakdown. Thanks.