6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: paultzman on June 06, 2017, 05:07:36 PM
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A pair of transfers are hoping to spark a St. John's revival. STORY @FanRagSports: (link: http://bit.ly/2s1CcCk) bit.ly/2s1CcCk #SJUBB
Rothstein | A pair of transfers are hoping to spark a St John’s revival
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How does this team find a middle ground? Clark thinks he has the answer.
“I would just watch the last season when I was sitting out and there wasn’t enough of a focus on defense, rebounding, and running,” added Clark. “I feel like that’s what Justin and I are going to add. It felt like we would either have a great win or an awful loss and a big reason for that was slow starts in games. That all comes down to having the right mindset on the defensive end of the floor.”
And that’s where Simon should play a major role.
Svelte at 6-foot-5 with the physical attributes of Jevon Kearse in his prime, the former top-25 recruit spent his redshirt year working on his jump shot and regaining his edge, something that was lost during the 2015-16 season at Arizona when he was behind guys like Parker Jackson-Cartwright, Kadeem Allen, Gabe York and Allonzo Trier in the Wildcats’ rotation.
“My confidence level is completely different now,” Simon said. “Marvin and I are committed to defense and we’re committed to rebounding. There’s no denying that those are our priorities and that’s what we’re going to add.”
YES. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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Simon built like Jevon Kearse in his prime? Yea ok
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Simon built like Jevon Kearse in his prime? Yea ok
Maybe he meant freak athlete in a basketball world.
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I'm surprised to hear that Simon thinks he's here for defense. That's a rather team oriented point to make. It would be great if he was a Sharif Fordham type with more offensive ability. We don't have a guard who stops the ball. That's probably this guy, but the entire team needs to buy into playing defense.
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Simon built like Jevon Kearse in his prime? Yea ok
I was just thinking the same thing when reading that. Simon does look to be in great shape but Kearse was all world freakish physique. He could also mean how long Simon is too.
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Really counting on these two to change the disposition of this team.
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Simon built like Jevon Kearse in his prime? Yea ok
I was just thinking the same thing when reading that. Simon does look to be in great shape but Kearse was all world freakish physique. He could also mean how long Simon is too.
The only value here is in the quotes. Rothstein makes everybody out to be an all star.
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Simon built like Jevon Kearse in his prime? Yea ok
I was just thinking the same thing when reading that. Simon does look to be in great shape but Kearse was all world freakish physique. He could also mean how long Simon is too.
The only value here is in the quotes. Rothstein makes everybody out to be an all star.
No doubt.
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I'm surprised to hear that Simon thinks he's here for defense. That's a rather team oriented point to make. It would be great if he was a Sharif Fordham type with more offensive ability. We don't have a guard who stops the ball. That's probably this guy, but the entire team needs to buy into playing defense.
Gotta get Lovett and Ponds on board too. Those guys were awful at most times with regular man defense, particularly Ponds. Hard to criticize because hey do so much else, but they need to be able to stay in front of their man and force the pass more.
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The season is still 4.5 months out and it's killing me. Roth tours the country all summer long, looks like we were his first stop. Probably the last national article that we will have written about us until the leaves change. Time to finish up completing our first competitive Big East level roster and hit the gym for the Summer months. The Spring was fun but the dog days are coming.
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Awesome quotes. Love these dudes already.
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Simon built like Jevon Kearse in his prime? Yea ok
I was just thinking the same thing when reading that. Simon does look to be in great shape but Kearse was all world freakish physique. He could also mean how long Simon is too.
The only value here is in the quotes. Rothstein makes everybody out to be an all star.
Maybe next he will make Truck Bryant comparisons
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I'm surprised to hear that Simon thinks he's here for defense. That's a rather team oriented point to make. It would be great if he was a Sharif Fordham type with more offensive ability. We don't have a guard who stops the ball. That's probably this guy, but the entire team needs to buy into playing defense.
Gotta get Lovett and Ponds on board too. Those guys were awful at most times with regular man defense, particularly Ponds. Hard to criticize because hey do so much else, but they need to be able to stay in front of their man and force the pass more.
Agreed. I feel like Clark and Simon are going to be the guys calling out screens and guiding rotations on the defensive end. I just hope they hold other players accountable for any missed assignments. Last year guys were just losing their men without anybody in their ear.
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How does this team find a middle ground? Clark thinks he has the answer.
“I would just watch the last season when I was sitting out and there wasn’t enough of a focus on defense, rebounding, and running,” added Clark. “I feel like that’s what Justin and I are going to add. It felt like we would either have a great win or an awful loss and a big reason for that was slow starts in games. That all comes down to having the right mindset on the defensive end of the floor.”
And that’s where Simon should play a major role.
Svelte at 6-foot-5 with the physical attributes of Jevon Kearse in his prime, the former top-25 recruit spent his redshirt year working on his jump shot and regaining his edge, something that was lost during the 2015-16 season at Arizona when he was behind guys like Parker Jackson-Cartwright, Kadeem Allen, Gabe York and Allonzo Trier in the Wildcats’ rotation.
“My confidence level is completely different now,” Simon said. “Marvin and I are committed to defense and we’re committed to rebounding. There’s no denying that those are our priorities and that’s what we’re going to add.”
YES. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
I think a tear drop rolled down my cheek reading this. Whoever is advising Simon must know the key to his professional figure lies on the defensive side of the ball and on the glass with his wingspan.
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I think a tear drop rolled down my cheek reading this.
Hopefully you're still using the men's room, we'd hate to lose you.
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I think a tear drop rolled down my cheek reading this.
Hopefully you're still using the men's room, we'd hate to lose you.
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Good one. I think all of us feel these 2 guys are the key to a successful season not only because of their physicality but the mental toughness they bring to the table.
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
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In the photo Wilson looks at least 2 inches taller then Yakwe. What gives Wilson at 6' 9 or Yakwe at 6'5 ?
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In the photo Wilson looks at least 2 inches taller then Yakwe. What gives Wilson at 6' 9 or Yakwe at 6'5 ?
I thought Yakwe was 5'11?
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
They were all listed around 6'4 to 6'5 and in the range of 195 to 205. But I don't think Simons game is nothing like Balamou's. He should be that perfect fit in the guard rotation to stick him on the opposing teams guard that has size and play some hard defense with rebounding skills. That's where the Pointer reference was mentioned. How many times did we see Pointer make a key play on the defensive side (block, steal, rebound) that led to some easy transition points? I'm hoping Simon will be that guy.
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
They were all listed around 6'4 to 6'5 and in the range of 195 to 205. But I don't think Simons game is nothing like Balamou's. He should be that perfect fit in the guard rotation to stick him on the opposing teams guard that has size and play some hard defense with rebounding skills. That's where the Pointer reference was mentioned. How many times did we see Pointer make a key play on the defensive side (block, steal, rebound) that led to some easy transition points? I'm hoping Simon will be that guy.
I think we'd all be thrilled with that but Pointer was bigger and stronger from what I can tell. Pointer played power forward and even center in the BE at 6'5. Justin Simon would have to be one helluva player to be that versatile.
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
They were all listed around 6'4 to 6'5 and in the range of 195 to 205. But I don't think Simons game is nothing like Balamou's. He should be that perfect fit in the guard rotation to stick him on the opposing teams guard that has size and play some hard defense with rebounding skills. That's where the Pointer reference was mentioned. How many times did we see Pointer make a key play on the defensive side (block, steal, rebound) that led to some easy transition points? I'm hoping Simon will be that guy.
I think we'd all be thrilled with that but Pointer was bigger and stronger from what I can tell. Pointer played power forward and even center in the BE at 6'5. Justin Simon would have to be one helluva player to be that versatile.
Pointer was scrawny. He didn't even weigh 200 lbs as a senior. Simon already weighed 210 last year. They are also the same height but Simon has longer arms. There is very little doubt Simon could excel at the four in college if he had the right mindset and accepted that role. Almost nobody with his profile does, though.
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
They were all listed around 6'4 to 6'5 and in the range of 195 to 205. But I don't think Simons game is nothing like Balamou's. He should be that perfect fit in the guard rotation to stick him on the opposing teams guard that has size and play some hard defense with rebounding skills. That's where the Pointer reference was mentioned. How many times did we see Pointer make a key play on the defensive side (block, steal, rebound) that led to some easy transition points? I'm hoping Simon will be that guy.
I think we'd all be thrilled with that but Pointer was bigger and stronger from what I can tell. Pointer played power forward and even center in the BE at 6'5. Justin Simon would have to be one helluva player to be that versatile.
Pointer was scrawny. He didn't even weigh 200 lbs as a senior. Simon already weighed 210 last year. They are also the same height but Simon has longer arms. There is very little doubt Simon could excel at the four in college if he had the right mindset and accepted that role. Almost nobody with his profile does, though.
And after he plays the 4 for us he can play center in the NBA, hopefully for the Knicks, the next P A T R I C K EWING. What alternative universe do you live in? ::)
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
They were all listed around 6'4 to 6'5 and in the range of 195 to 205. But I don't think Simons game is nothing like Balamou's. He should be that perfect fit in the guard rotation to stick him on the opposing teams guard that has size and play some hard defense with rebounding skills. That's where the Pointer reference was mentioned. How many times did we see Pointer make a key play on the defensive side (block, steal, rebound) that led to some easy transition points? I'm hoping Simon will be that guy.
I think we'd all be thrilled with that but Pointer was bigger and stronger from what I can tell. Pointer played power forward and even center in the BE at 6'5. Justin Simon would have to be one helluva player to be that versatile.
Pointer was scrawny. He didn't even weigh 200 lbs as a senior. Simon already weighed 210 last year. They are also the same height but Simon has longer arms. There is very little doubt Simon could excel at the four in college if he had the right mindset and accepted that role. Almost nobody with his profile does, though.
Agree Simon could probably play some 4 but we legitimately have 6 guys who would be asked to do it first. And I never thought of Dom pointer as scrawny.
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If Justin Simon plays PF this season we suck...
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
They were all listed around 6'4 to 6'5 and in the range of 195 to 205. But I don't think Simons game is nothing like Balamou's. He should be that perfect fit in the guard rotation to stick him on the opposing teams guard that has size and play some hard defense with rebounding skills. That's where the Pointer reference was mentioned. How many times did we see Pointer make a key play on the defensive side (block, steal, rebound) that led to some easy transition points? I'm hoping Simon will be that guy.
I think we'd all be thrilled with that but Pointer was bigger and stronger from what I can tell. Pointer played power forward and even center in the BE at 6'5. Justin Simon would have to be one helluva player to be that versatile.
Pointer was scrawny. He didn't even weigh 200 lbs as a senior. Simon already weighed 210 last year. They are also the same height but Simon has longer arms. There is very little doubt Simon could excel at the four in college if he had the right mindset and accepted that role. Almost nobody with his profile does, though.
Agree Simon could probably play some 4 but we legitimately have 6 guys who would be asked to do it first. And I never thought of Dom pointer as scrawny.
That's bec Dom was never scrawny. He had a Big East body as a freshman. His size was never his problem. I don't understand what makes anyone think that Simon could play the 4. Has anyone ever seen him do that?
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I don't understand what makes anyone think that Simon could play the 4
The larger question is how that might be beneficial. Theoretically Ponds could play the four but it wouldn't be good for anyone.
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I don't understand what makes anyone think that Simon could play the 4
The larger question is how that might be beneficial. Theoretically Ponds could play the four but it wouldn't be good for anyone.
Simon plays 4 if we only dress 5 players including ponds, Lovett and Trimble.
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
They were all listed around 6'4 to 6'5 and in the range of 195 to 205. But I don't think Simons game is nothing like Balamou's. He should be that perfect fit in the guard rotation to stick him on the opposing teams guard that has size and play some hard defense with rebounding skills. That's where the Pointer reference was mentioned. How many times did we see Pointer make a key play on the defensive side (block, steal, rebound) that led to some easy transition points? I'm hoping Simon will be that guy.
I think we'd all be thrilled with that but Pointer was bigger and stronger from what I can tell. Pointer played power forward and even center in the BE at 6'5. Justin Simon would have to be one helluva player to be that versatile.
Pointer was scrawny. He didn't even weigh 200 lbs as a senior. Simon already weighed 210 last year. They are also the same height but Simon has longer arms. There is very little doubt Simon could excel at the four in college if he had the right mindset and accepted that role. Almost nobody with his profile does, though.
Agree Simon could probably play some 4 but we legitimately have 6 guys who would be asked to do it first. And I never thought of Dom pointer as scrawny.
That's bec Dom was never scrawny. He had a Big East body as a freshman. His size was never his problem. I don't understand what makes anyone think that Simon could play the 4. Has anyone ever seen him do that?
Although Dom did play some 4 for the team at certain times, he was able to plenty of defensive rebounds playing the 3. They only really played him at the 4 when they needed him to out of necessity because the front court rotation was thin.
I was more referencing Pointers ability to make the key play on the defensive side of the ball and turn it into easy transition points. He had a knack for it.
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
They were all listed around 6'4 to 6'5 and in the range of 195 to 205. But I don't think Simons game is nothing like Balamou's. He should be that perfect fit in the guard rotation to stick him on the opposing teams guard that has size and play some hard defense with rebounding skills. That's where the Pointer reference was mentioned. How many times did we see Pointer make a key play on the defensive side (block, steal, rebound) that led to some easy transition points? I'm hoping Simon will be that guy.
I think we'd all be thrilled with that but Pointer was bigger and stronger from what I can tell. Pointer played power forward and even center in the BE at 6'5. Justin Simon would have to be one helluva player to be that versatile.
Pointer was scrawny. He didn't even weigh 200 lbs as a senior. Simon already weighed 210 last year. They are also the same height but Simon has longer arms. There is very little doubt Simon could excel at the four in college if he had the right mindset and accepted that role. Almost nobody with his profile does, though.
Agree Simon could probably play some 4 but we legitimately have 6 guys who would be asked to do it first. And I never thought of Dom pointer as scrawny.
That's bec Dom was never scrawny. He had a Big East body as a freshman. His size was never his problem. I don't understand what makes anyone think that Simon could play the 4. Has anyone ever seen him do that?
How would you classify 6'5/6'6 196 as a senior? Skinny? That's certainly not big anywhere outside of St. John's. Trimble is 6'2 and already 200 lbs in high school. Revisionist history puts Dom at 6'7 230. One poster even said he was "much bigger" than 6'7 235 Marvin Clark -- who looks like the freaking hulk.
Everyone follow me carefully on this one, I never said Simon would play PF. That doesn't make much sense when we already have Clark, Yakwe, Wilson, Ahmed, and Alibegovic to play the position and just just four guards. I said he COULD play PF if had the mindset BUT almost nobody with his profile accepts that role. He's 6'5 210 -- already 14 lbs heavier than Dom was as a senior. He's the same height as Dom with a 7'1 wingspan -- bigger than 80-90% of college PFs. He has the athletic ability of a guard. Half of you people said the same things when I suggested Dom's best position in college was PF his freshman through junior years.
In college you can successfully play PF as a guard or SF as long as you create a net positive. That means your perimeter strengths do more damage to your opponent than your weaknesses inside do to your team.
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
They were all listed around 6'4 to 6'5 and in the range of 195 to 205. But I don't think Simons game is nothing like Balamou's. He should be that perfect fit in the guard rotation to stick him on the opposing teams guard that has size and play some hard defense with rebounding skills. That's where the Pointer reference was mentioned. How many times did we see Pointer make a key play on the defensive side (block, steal, rebound) that led to some easy transition points? I'm hoping Simon will be that guy.
I think we'd all be thrilled with that but Pointer was bigger and stronger from what I can tell. Pointer played power forward and even center in the BE at 6'5. Justin Simon would have to be one helluva player to be that versatile.
Pointer was scrawny. He didn't even weigh 200 lbs as a senior. Simon already weighed 210 last year. They are also the same height but Simon has longer arms. There is very little doubt Simon could excel at the four in college if he had the right mindset and accepted that role. Almost nobody with his profile does, though.
Agree Simon could probably play some 4 but we legitimately have 6 guys who would be asked to do it first. And I never thought of Dom pointer as scrawny.
That's bec Dom was never scrawny. He had a Big East body as a freshman. His size was never his problem. I don't understand what makes anyone think that Simon could play the 4. Has anyone ever seen him do that?
How would you classify 6'5/6'6 196 as a senior? Skinny? That's certainly not big anywhere outside of St. John's. Trimble is 6'2 and already 200 lbs in high school. Revisionist history puts Dom at 6'7 230. One poster even said he was "much bigger" than 6'7 235 Marvin Clark -- who looks like the freaking hulk.
Everyone follow me carefully on this one, I never said Simon would play PF. That doesn't make much sense when we already have Clark, Yakwe, Wilson, Ahmed, and Alibegovic to play the position and just just four guards. I said he COULD play PF if had the mindset BUT almost nobody with his profile accepts that role. He's 6'5 210 -- already 14 lbs heavier than Dom was as a senior. He's the same height as Dom with a 7'1 wingspan -- bigger than 80-90% of college PFs. He has the athletic ability of a guard. Half of you people said the same things when I suggested Dom's best position in college was PF his freshman through junior years.
In college you can successfully play PF as a guard or SF as long as you create a net positive. That means your perimeter strengths do more damage to your opponent than your weaknesses inside do to your team.
You said Pointer was scrawny. Do you know what that word means?
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
They were all listed around 6'4 to 6'5 and in the range of 195 to 205. But I don't think Simons game is nothing like Balamou's. He should be that perfect fit in the guard rotation to stick him on the opposing teams guard that has size and play some hard defense with rebounding skills. That's where the Pointer reference was mentioned. How many times did we see Pointer make a key play on the defensive side (block, steal, rebound) that led to some easy transition points? I'm hoping Simon will be that guy.
I think we'd all be thrilled with that but Pointer was bigger and stronger from what I can tell. Pointer played power forward and even center in the BE at 6'5. Justin Simon would have to be one helluva player to be that versatile.
Pointer was scrawny. He didn't even weigh 200 lbs as a senior. Simon already weighed 210 last year. They are also the same height but Simon has longer arms. There is very little doubt Simon could excel at the four in college if he had the right mindset and accepted that role. Almost nobody with his profile does, though.
Agree Simon could probably play some 4 but we legitimately have 6 guys who would be asked to do it first. And I never thought of Dom pointer as scrawny.
That's bec Dom was never scrawny. He had a Big East body as a freshman. His size was never his problem. I don't understand what makes anyone think that Simon could play the 4. Has anyone ever seen him do that?
How would you classify 6'5/6'6 196 as a senior? Skinny? That's certainly not big anywhere outside of St. John's. Trimble is 6'2 and already 200 lbs in high school. Revisionist history puts Dom at 6'7 230. One poster even said he was "much bigger" than 6'7 235 Marvin Clark -- who looks like the freaking hulk.
Everyone follow me carefully on this one, I never said Simon would play PF. That doesn't make much sense when we already have Clark, Yakwe, Wilson, Ahmed, and Alibegovic to play the position and just just four guards. I said he COULD play PF if had the mindset BUT almost nobody with his profile accepts that role. He's 6'5 210 -- already 14 lbs heavier than Dom was as a senior. He's the same height as Dom with a 7'1 wingspan -- bigger than 80-90% of college PFs. He has the athletic ability of a guard. Half of you people said the same things when I suggested Dom's best position in college was PF his freshman through junior years.
In college you can successfully play PF as a guard or SF as long as you create a net positive. That means your perimeter strengths do more damage to your opponent than your weaknesses inside do to your team.
You said Pointer was scrawny. Do you know what that word means?
Relative to other high major players his height, he was in the bottom 15% in weight. Compared to you he's not scrawny. Compared to Ahmed, Clark, and Simon he's scrawny. Phil Greene weighed the same as him at 6'1/6'2 and nobody would classify Greene as a remotely big guard.
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
They were all listed around 6'4 to 6'5 and in the range of 195 to 205. But I don't think Simons game is nothing like Balamou's. He should be that perfect fit in the guard rotation to stick him on the opposing teams guard that has size and play some hard defense with rebounding skills. That's where the Pointer reference was mentioned. How many times did we see Pointer make a key play on the defensive side (block, steal, rebound) that led to some easy transition points? I'm hoping Simon will be that guy.
I think we'd all be thrilled with that but Pointer was bigger and stronger from what I can tell. Pointer played power forward and even center in the BE at 6'5. Justin Simon would have to be one helluva player to be that versatile.
Pointer was scrawny. He didn't even weigh 200 lbs as a senior. Simon already weighed 210 last year. They are also the same height but Simon has longer arms. There is very little doubt Simon could excel at the four in college if he had the right mindset and accepted that role. Almost nobody with his profile does, though.
Agree Simon could probably play some 4 but we legitimately have 6 guys who would be asked to do it first. And I never thought of Dom pointer as scrawny.
That's bec Dom was never scrawny. He had a Big East body as a freshman. His size was never his problem. I don't understand what makes anyone think that Simon could play the 4. Has anyone ever seen him do that?
How would you classify 6'5/6'6 196 as a senior? Skinny? That's certainly not big anywhere outside of St. John's. Trimble is 6'2 and already 200 lbs in high school. Revisionist history puts Dom at 6'7 230. One poster even said he was "much bigger" than 6'7 235 Marvin Clark -- who looks like the freaking hulk.
Everyone follow me carefully on this one, I never said Simon would play PF. That doesn't make much sense when we already have Clark, Yakwe, Wilson, Ahmed, and Alibegovic to play the position and just just four guards. I said he COULD play PF if had the mindset BUT almost nobody with his profile accepts that role. He's 6'5 210 -- already 14 lbs heavier than Dom was as a senior. He's the same height as Dom with a 7'1 wingspan -- bigger than 80-90% of college PFs. He has the athletic ability of a guard. Half of you people said the same things when I suggested Dom's best position in college was PF his freshman through junior years.
In college you can successfully play PF as a guard or SF as long as you create a net positive. That means your perimeter strengths do more damage to your opponent than your weaknesses inside do to your team.
You said Pointer was scrawny. Do you know what that word means?
Relative to other high major players his height, he was in the bottom 15% in weight. Compared to you he's not scrawny. Compared to Ahmed, Clark, and Simon he's scrawny. Phil Greene weighed the same as him at 6'1/6'2 and nobody would classify Greene as a remotely big guard.
We are you getting these weights? I would not trust the listing could be using HS weight throughout college years. Anyway Pointer was more well put together than Simon.
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Calling a senior Dom Pointer scrawny is ridiculous.
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Calling a senior Dom Pointer scrawny is ridiculous.
As Clark Kellogg would say He's cut like cable wire.
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Relative to other high major players his height, he was in the bottom 15% in weight. Compared to you he's not scrawny. Compared to Ahmed, Clark, and Simon he's scrawny. Phil Greene weighed the same as him at 6'1/6'2 and nobody would classify Greene as a remotely big guard.
Come on. Pointer is listed at 6'5" 200 pounds on ESPN. If that's the bottom 15 percent most guys who are 6'5" weigh 250 pounds and as many weigh 280 pounds as weigh 200. You're being ridiculous.
This guy might look scrawny to you
(http://content.draftexpress.com/gallery/Sir_DominicPointer/1381528110.jpg)
but he doesn't look scrawny to anyone else.
This is Justin Simon
(https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_gallery_desktop/public/2016/04/21/justin-simon-transfer-st-johns.jpg?itok=qfdDJ3r3).
I have bigger biceps than that, and I'm an alcoholic dinosaur.
I'll give you this: compared to Clark he looks scrawny. Because that boy looks like Lou Ferrigno.
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Simon apparently has put on a ton of muscle in the season he's been here fwiw. He is still a guard/point forward. To sure he defends like Sir'Dom, but he's a better ball handler and passer by a mile at the same size., Dom was one of my favorite players ever at SJU. Guy had amazing motor.
Looks a ton bigger now...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8vT-VKW0AAOUxk.jpg
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Dom was a freak of a physical athlete. Not to take anything away from Simon who we have not seen in an SJU uniform but Dom had an attitude that was special. He always went at more than 100% and did not take crap. He would take on any challenge. Need to see if Simon has the same mind set because that was made Dom special.
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Simon apparently has put on a ton of muscle in the season he's been here fwiw. He is still a guard/point forward. To sure he defends like Sir'Dom, but he's a better ball handler and passer by a mile at the same size., Dom was one of my favorite players ever at SJU. Guy had amazing motor.
Looks a ton bigger now...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8vT-VKW0AAOUxk.jpg
That picture looks more like a painting. Maybe the artist was Marillac and he enhanced the picture. ;) :)
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Yeah, Pointer was a monster and the most jacked 6'5 196 pounder the world has ever seen. Clark, Artest, and Grant were mere boys compared to that 196. No other 6'5 player will ever be able to play PF again. I think I got it.
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Yeah, Pointer was a monster and the most jacked 6'5 196 pounder the world has ever seen. Clark, Artest, and Grant were mere boys compared to that 196. No other 6'5 player will ever be able to play PF again. I think I got it.
You should just follow D3 basketball as I am sure there are quite a few 6'5 PFs, you can watch them to your heart's content. ;)
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Look at these 8 inch pythons, brother! http://www.zagsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/dom1.jpg
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I honestly don't get it. I'm 6'2" and 260. Definitely not in my best shape ever but would be 6'2"
and shredded at 210lbs. These guys look massive at their height and weights respectively...
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I'm hoping Simon can become a similar player as Pointer with a better shot and handle. If that happens, we are in good shape.
Simon actually taller than Balamou I believe. Balamou' skill set at 6'3" was definitely more PF than guard. Simon, that is not the case.
Simon is Balamou's size. This is the same staff that got excited about the prospect of using Balamou at the 4. Maybe they don't know what the numbers mean?
They were all listed around 6'4 to 6'5 and in the range of 195 to 205. But I don't think Simons game is nothing like Balamou's. He should be that perfect fit in the guard rotation to stick him on the opposing teams guard that has size and play some hard defense with rebounding skills. That's where the Pointer reference was mentioned. How many times did we see Pointer make a key play on the defensive side (block, steal, rebound) that led to some easy transition points? I'm hoping Simon will be that guy.
I think we'd all be thrilled with that but Pointer was bigger and stronger from what I can tell. Pointer played power forward and even center in the BE at 6'5. Justin Simon would have to be one helluva player to be that versatile.
Pointer was scrawny. He didn't even weigh 200 lbs as a senior. Simon already weighed 210 last year. They are also the same height but Simon has longer arms. There is very little doubt Simon could excel at the four in college if he had the right mindset and accepted that role. Almost nobody with his profile does, though.
Agree Simon could probably play some 4 but we legitimately have 6 guys who would be asked to do it first. And I never thought of Dom pointer as scrawny.
That's bec Dom was never scrawny. He had a Big East body as a freshman. His size was never his problem. I don't understand what makes anyone think that Simon could play the 4. Has anyone ever seen him do that?
How would you classify 6'5/6'6 196 as a senior? Skinny? That's certainly not big anywhere outside of St. John's. Trimble is 6'2 and already 200 lbs in high school. Revisionist history puts Dom at 6'7 230. One poster even said he was "much bigger" than 6'7 235 Marvin Clark -- who looks like the freaking hulk.
Everyone follow me carefully on this one, I never said Simon would play PF. That doesn't make much sense when we already have Clark, Yakwe, Wilson, Ahmed, and Alibegovic to play the position and just just four guards. I said he COULD play PF if had the mindset BUT almost nobody with his profile accepts that role. He's 6'5 210 -- already 14 lbs heavier than Dom was as a senior. He's the same height as Dom with a 7'1 wingspan -- bigger than 80-90% of college PFs. He has the athletic ability of a guard. Half of you people said the same things when I suggested Dom's best position in college was PF his freshman through junior years.
In college you can successfully play PF as a guard or SF as long as you create a net positive. That means your perimeter strengths do more damage to your opponent than your weaknesses inside do to your team.
You said Pointer was scrawny. Do you know what that word means?
Relative to other high major players his height, he was in the bottom 15% in weight. Compared to you he's not scrawny. Compared to Ahmed, Clark, and Simon he's scrawny. Phil Greene weighed the same as him at 6'1/6'2 and nobody would classify Greene as a remotely big guard.
So compared to Ahmed, Dom Pointer is scrawny? I think you need to get your eyes checked.
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Pointer relied mostly on his strength, athleticism, and power to get to the hoop. "Scrawny" should be a word to describe guys like Dwayne Polee.
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Just agree to disagree and move on lol
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I honestly don't get it. I'm 6'2" and 260. Definitely not in my best shape ever but would be 6'2"
and shredded at 210lbs. These guys look massive at their height and weights respectively...
It's because they have shockingly low levels of fat due to all of the H.I.I.T. they do. Their power compared to football players is a joke. At the NBA combine basketball players do reps of 185 and the strongest players put up no more than 10-15 reps while most are way below that. Football players do reps of 225 at every college and combine. High school football combines use 185 for reps and most kids are turning in 20+ reps by 10th grade.
Most basketball players also don't take legs seriously at all and that is 10-15 lbs of muscle they don't have relative to their upper bodies. You can easily see the difference between fake strong kids and guys like Sean Evans and Marvin Clark.