6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: thetruth8734 on January 10, 2018, 07:25:59 PM
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The Chris Mullin experiment has been a huge failure so far. I think it's pretty clear that he is not cut-out to be a college basketball head coach. Personally I would cut ties with him at season's end, but I realize that the SJU administration will give him at least one year.
Through 3 years the program has been unstable, to say the least, and the results have been horrible. There have been tons of key players transferring, the Sidney Wilson situation, being basically shutout by every top recruit for 2018 (Brooks being the exception only because of a scandal at his school), and now the Marcus Lovett debacle. Unfortunately Chris Mullin is way out of his league it seems when it comes to competing with other Big East coaches, and embarrassingly has his 28 year old assistant coach do most of the in game coaching. It's also clear his name doesn't have the allure to sway top prospects to come to St. John's.
This year was supposed to be the year where we made a big leap, and we are now an embarrassing 0-5 in conference play including losses to a very down Georgetown team, and perineal bottom dweller Depaul AT HOME! The team is in shambles, losing arguably their best player, and not having much talent otherwise to compete at a high level in this conference. SJU is now a combined 32-50 during the Mullin era, and honestly I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel with him being in charge.
I realize he will almost definitely be back next season, but I just don't see the point. I would cut ties, and do what we should have done 3 years ago, which is offer Danny Hurley whatever he wants, and have a REAL coach (unlike Lavin and Mullin) lead the program going forward. I'm sure many people will disagree with me which is fine, but as a long time fan, and season ticket holder I am just completely disgusted with the direction of this program under coach Mullin. I have the utmost respect for him as a St. John's legend and all time great player, but he is simply not a good coach, and probably never will be.
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Even if he wasn't the favorite son, the money does not exist to buy him out and pay a new coach a reasonable salary.
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lol
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Mid major
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Mid major
Man, you've got a bad case of "big dick envy".
IONA always and I mean always goes home with the fat chick.
SJU at least gets to play with the hot girls and occasionally bangs one here and there.
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Mid major
Man, you've got a bad case of "big dick envy".
IONA always and I mean always goes home with the fat chick.
SJU at least gets to play with the hot girls and occasionally bangs one here and there.
Fake news brother. Make the big boy tournament
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Mid major
Man, you've got a bad case of "big dick envy".
IONA always and I mean always goes home with the fat chick.
SJU at least gets to play with the hot girls and occasionally bangs one here and there.
Fake news brother. Make the big boy tournament
Not fake brother. Your opinions and objectives are well documented.
IONA will always be a shitty mid-major program that no one (fans, media, networks, etc, etc.) gives a crap about, regardless of making the occasional big boy tournament. They will always be wannabes to the program you want to see become what you currently are.
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Mid major
Man, you've got a bad case of "big dick envy".
IONA always and I mean always goes home with the fat chick.
SJU at least gets to play with the hot girls and occasionally bangs one here and there.
Fake news brother. Make the big boy tournament
Not fake brother. Your opinions and objectives are well documented.
IONA will always be a shitty mid-major program that no one (fans, media, networks, etc, etc.) gives a crap about, regardless of making the occasional big boy tournament. They will always be wannabes to the program you want to see become what you currently are.
Like I said, fake news. Still waiting for your big program To become relevant
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Mid major
Man, you've got a bad case of "big dick envy".
IONA always and I mean always goes home with the fat chick.
SJU at least gets to play with the hot girls and occasionally bangs one here and there.
Fake news brother. Make the big boy tournament
Not fake brother. Your opinions and objectives are well documented.
IONA will always be a shitty mid-major program that no one (fans, media, networks, etc, etc.) gives a crap about, regardless of making the occasional big boy tournament. They will always be wannabes to the program you want to see become what you currently are.
Like I said, fake news. Still waiting for your big program To become relevan
Still waiting for you not to be the biggest tool by far on this site
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Look he's not getting fired. It's not happening. Even with an utter complete disaster 2-16, 1-17 type of season I don't see it.
So don't waster your time.
My only thing is I don't want to see any more articles about how much he has improved the program, how we are so much better off after 3 years then if we had kept Lavin or hired someone else, the balance of the roster etc, etc...
The benefit of the doubt is gone. He is no different than Steve Lavin. In fact he is no different than Norm Roberts who was 7-9 in his 3rd year in a much more difficult BE and after taking over a complete dumpster fire his first 2 years. Don't care anymore about 1985. Don't care anymore about how Zach likes this staff so he is a great read. By the way I'll dig up the tweet but Braziller tweeted a couple of years ago the plan was to be a top 25 program by year 3 (He tweeted that, he certainly got that from you know who).
Don't care anymore. No more benefit of the doubt on borderline recruits or transfers. The fact is if you look closely at what they landed and who they have beaten vs who has transferred out, who they have whiffed on, who they have lost to and throw the Slice drama, Sid Wilson dram and now the Marcus Lovett drama there is not much positive you can honestly say has happened since his hire. Hard to believe but if you take an honest look you would be hard pressed to find 5 things you would say the program is better at then they were 3 years ago.
It's CM's job, he wanted it. Staff change, no staff change. Not my call and I don't care. Fix it or take a hike. But man assuming this year continues south, what an off season and what a year he needs to have next year....
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Not sure why you are only person on planet that thinks Simon can't dribble. Very odd
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Not sure why you are only person on planet that thinks Simon can't dribble. Very odd
Simon thinks the same thing. That's why he takes off from the ft line.
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The Chris Mullin experiment has been a huge failure so far. I think it's pretty clear that he is not cut-out to be a college basketball head coach. Personally I would cut ties with him at season's end, but I realize that the SJU administration will give him at least one year.
Through 3 years the program has been unstable, to say the least, and the results have been horrible. There have been tons of key players transferring, the Sidney Wilson situation, being basically shutout by every top recruit for 2018 (Brooks being the exception only because of a scandal at his school), and now the Marcus Lovett debacle. Unfortunately Chris Mullin is way out of his league it seems when it comes to competing with other Big East coaches, and embarrassingly has his 28 year old assistant coach do most of the in game coaching. It's also clear his name doesn't have the allure to sway top prospects to come to St. John's.
This year was supposed to be the year where we made a big leap, and we are now an embarrassing 0-5 in conference play including losses to a very down Georgetown team, and perineal bottom dweller Depaul AT HOME! The team is in shambles, losing arguably their best player, and not having much talent otherwise to compete at a high level in this conference. SJU is now a combined 32-50 during the Mullin era, and honestly I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel with him being in charge.
I realize he will almost definitely be back next season, but I just don't see the point. I would cut ties, and do what we should have done 3 years ago, which is offer Danny Hurley whatever he wants, and have a REAL coach (unlike Lavin and Mullin) lead the program going forward. I'm sure many people will disagree with me which is fine, but as a long time fan, and season ticket holder I am just completely disgusted with the direction of this program under coach Mullin. I have the utmost respect for him as a St. John's legend and all time great player, but he is simply not a good coach, and probably never will be.
Jan 2022 The truth will claim they should fire Tim Cluess and hire a "real coach"
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Not sure why you are only person on planet that thinks Simon can't dribble. Very odd
Simon thinks the same thing. That's why he takes off from the ft line.
Simon having a good handle does not take away from Ponds
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Mid major
Man, you've got a bad case of "big dick envy".
IONA always and I mean always goes home with the fat chick.
SJU at least gets to play with the hot girls and occasionally bangs one here and there.
Fake news brother. Make the big boy tournament
Not fake brother. Your opinions and objectives are well documented.
IONA will always be a shitty mid-major program that no one (fans, media, networks, etc, etc.) gives a crap about, regardless of making the occasional big boy tournament. They will always be wannabes to the program you want to see become what you currently are.
Like I said, fake news. Still waiting for your big program To become relevant
Iona is a joke. And that’s certainly not news. Even to the Baldi man! :2funny: ;D
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just can't see university being willing to take on a buy-out and then adding new expense for a lower salaried coach unless the net difference resulted in savings.
If Mullin ship sinks, I can't imagine any more big time money being pumped into program
For any of us who are fans, all we can do is hope Mullin rights this ship, or it's done.
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Mid major
Man, you've got a bad case of "big dick envy".
IONA always and I mean always goes home with the fat chick.
SJU at least gets to play with the hot girls and occasionally bangs one here and there.
Fake news brother. Make the big boy tournament
Not fake brother. Your opinions and objectives are well documented.
IONA will always be a shitty mid-major program that no one (fans, media, networks, etc, etc.) gives a crap about, regardless of making the occasional big boy tournament. They will always be wannabes to the program you want to see become what you currently are.
Like I said, fake news. Still waiting for your big program To become relevant
Despite all of its drawbacks its relevant enough to be levels above your shitty meaningless IONA program. Says it all
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Mid major
Man, you've got a bad case of "big dick envy".
IONA always and I mean always goes home with the fat chick.
SJU at least gets to play with the hot girls and occasionally bangs one here and there.
Fake news brother. Make the big boy tournament
Not fake brother. Your opinions and objectives are well documented.
IONA will always be a shitty mid-major program that no one (fans, media, networks, etc, etc.) gives a crap about, regardless of making the occasional big boy tournament. They will always be wannabes to the program you want to see become what you currently are.
Like I said, fake news. Still waiting for your big program To become relevant
Iona is a joke. And that’s certainly not news. Even to the Baldi man! :2funny: ;D
1985 Was a great year
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Not sure why you are only person on planet that thinks Simon can't dribble. Very odd
Agreed. Was wondering the same thing.
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Look he's not getting fired. It's not happening. Even with an utter complete disaster 2-16, 1-17 type of season I don't see it.
So don't waster your time.
My only thing is I don't want to see any more articles about how much he has improved the program, how we are so much better off after 3 years then if we had kept Lavin or hired someone else, the balance of the roster etc, etc...
The benefit of the doubt is gone. He is no different than Steve Lavin. In fact he is no different than Norm Roberts who was 7-9 in his 3rd year in a much more difficult BE and after taking over a complete dumpster fire his first 2 years. Don't care anymore about 1985. Don't care anymore about how Zach likes this staff so he is a great read. By the way I'll dig up the tweet but Braziller tweeted a couple of years ago the plan was to be a top 25 program by year 3 (He tweeted that, he certainly got that from you know who).
Don't care anymore. No more benefit of the doubt on borderline recruits or transfers. The fact is if you look closely at what they landed and who they have beaten vs who has transferred out, who they have whiffed on, who they have lost to and throw the Slice drama, Sid Wilson dram and now the Marcus Lovett drama there is not much positive you can honestly say has happened since his hire. Hard to believe but if you take an honest look you would be hard pressed to find 5 things you would say the program is better at then they were 3 years ago.
It's CM's job, he wanted it. Staff change, no staff change. Not my call and I don't care. Fix it or take a hike. But man assuming this year continues south, what an off season and what a year he needs to have next year....
I know he won't be fired this year, but if he has another season like this next year like you said he should be fired unless the administration is completely incompetent. I'm honestly still in shock that we're 0-5 in Big East play in year 3 of his tenure. It's an embarrassment, and complete and utter failure.
College basketball is all about coaches. You have a good coach you're going to be good. They will get the players, and they will get the players to play how they want. Chris Mullin is not a good coach, and he never will be mark my words. This guy is a joke. All he does is argue with the refs and get needless technical fouls. He doesn't know how to handle college players much less a major college program, and he doesn't know how to make the necessary adjustments to be a coach at this level. It's year 3 and he hasn't improved one bit.
I'm envious of other programs, even Iona, who have coaches who you know will have a good game-plan going into the game, and who will make the adjustments in a game to swing the momentum. Just look at the Creighton game, SJU was cruising along until McDermott (who is an awesome coach that Mullin couldn't even shine his shoes) made the adjustment and we caved like the Falcons in the Super Bowl. That's the kind of coach I want leading this program. Not some guy who had nothing better to do than come back to his alma matter and be handed the head coaching position over tons of way more qualified candidates. This program isn't going anywhere until we find a real coach.
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You guys are insane. He took a chance on Lovett as a top 50 talent and the kid ended up being a selfish daddy's boy sissy. They held our program hostage. We probably keep one or both of Ellison and Mussini if he bolted like he threatened last year. Now we're stuck with just one kid that can dribble a basketball.
The staff obviously learned from it and were not going to let those losers hold us up next year. Hence Greg Williams and Mikey Dixon. I'm certain they'll use Lovett's scholarship to add to the backcourt as well.
Mid major
Man, you've got a bad case of "big dick envy".
IONA always and I mean always goes home with the fat chick.
SJU at least gets to play with the hot girls and occasionally bangs one here and there.
Fake news brother. Make the big boy tournament
Not fake brother. Your opinions and objectives are well documented.
IONA will always be a shitty mid-major program that no one (fans, media, networks, etc, etc.) gives a crap about, regardless of making the occasional big boy tournament. They will always be wannabes to the program you want to see become what you currently are.
Like I said, fake news. Still waiting for your big program To become relevant
Iona is a joke. And that’s certainly not news. Even to the Baldi man! :2funny: ;D
1985 Was a great year
Unlikely that it was a great year for Iona.
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The Chris Mullin experiment has been a huge failure so far. I think it's pretty clear that he is not cut-out to be a college basketball head coach. Personally I would cut ties with him at season's end, but I realize that the SJU administration will give him at least one year.
Through 3 years the program has been unstable, to say the least, and the results have been horrible. There have been tons of key players transferring, the Sidney Wilson situation, being basically shutout by every top recruit for 2018 (Brooks being the exception only because of a scandal at his school), and now the Marcus Lovett debacle. Unfortunately Chris Mullin is way out of his league it seems when it comes to competing with other Big East coaches, and embarrassingly has his 28 year old assistant coach do most of the in game coaching. It's also clear his name doesn't have the allure to sway top prospects to come to St. John's.
This year was supposed to be the year where we made a big leap, and we are now an embarrassing 0-5 in conference play including losses to a very down Georgetown team, and perineal bottom dweller Depaul AT HOME! The team is in shambles, losing arguably their best player, and not having much talent otherwise to compete at a high level in this conference. SJU is now a combined 32-50 during the Mullin era, and honestly I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel with him being in charge.
I realize he will almost definitely be back next season, but I just don't see the point. I would cut ties, and do what we should have done 3 years ago, which is offer Danny Hurley whatever he wants, and have a REAL coach (unlike Lavin and Mullin) lead the program going forward. I'm sure many people will disagree with me which is fine, but as a long time fan, and season ticket holder I am just completely disgusted with the direction of this program under coach Mullin. I have the utmost respect for him as a St. John's legend and all time great player, but he is simply not a good coach, and probably never will be.
Agree with everything you said but Desco is 100% correct the money just isn't there. This university will not spend big on another coach. I think you have to ride it out with Mullin, force him to hire an xs and os assistant, and pray his high upside pays off. If we move on from CM the only possible move I see that could make sense would be Hurley. Hiring an up and coming assistant is too big of a risk and another failed experiment would send this program back to the stone age.
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Look he's not getting fired. It's not happening. Even with an utter complete disaster 2-16, 1-17 type of season I don't see it.
So don't waster your time.
My only thing is I don't want to see any more articles about how much he has improved the whole program, how we are so much better off after 3 years then if we had kept Lavin or hired someone else, the balance of the roster etc, etc...
The benefit of the doubt is gone. He is no different than Steve Lavin. In fact he is no different than Norm Roberts who was 7-9 in his 3rd year in a much more difficult BE and after taking over a complete dumpster fire his first 2 years. Don't care anymore about 1985. Don't care anymore about how Zach likes this staff so he is a great read. By the way I'll dig up the tweet but Braziller tweeted a couple of years ago the plan was to be a top 25 program by year 3 (He tweeted that, he certainly got that from you know who).
Don't care anymore. No more benefit of the doubt on borderline recruits or transfers. The fact is if you look closely at what they landed and who they have beaten vs who has transferred out, who they have whiffed on, who they have lost to and throw the Slice drama, Sid Wilson dram and now the Marcus Lovett drama there is not much positive you can honestly say has happened since his hire. Hard to believe but if you take an honest look you would be hard pressed to find 5 things you would say the program is better at then they were 3 years ago.
It's CM's job, he wanted it. Staff change, no staff change. Not my call and I don't care. Fix it or take a hike. But man assuming this year continues south, what an off season and what a year he needs to have next year....
I know he won't be fired this year, but if he has another season like this next year like you said he should be fired unless the administration is completely incompetent. I'm honestly still in shock that we're 0-5 in Big East play in year 3 of his tenure. It's an embarrassment, and complete and utter failure.
College basketball is all about coaches. You have a good coach you're going to be good. They will get the players, and they will get the players to play how they want. Chris Mullin is not a good coach, and he never will be mark my words. This guy is a joke. All he does is argue with the refs and get needless technical fouls. He doesn't know how to handle college players much less a major college program, and he doesn't know how to make the necessary adjustments to be a coach at this level. It's year 3 and he hasn't improved one bit.
I'm envious of other programs, even Iona, who have coaches who you know will have a good game-plan going into the game, and who will make the adjustments in a game to swing the momentum. Just look at the Creighton game, SJU was cruising along until McDermott (who is an awesome coach that Mullin couldn't even shine his shoes) made the adjustment and we caved like the Falcons in the Super Bowl. That's the kind of coach I want leading this program. Not some guy who had nothing better to do than come back to his alma matter and be handed the head coaching position over tons of way more qualified candidates. This program isn't going anywhere until we find a real coach.
When was the last time we had tons of way more qualified candidates?
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Look he's not getting fired. It's not happening. Even with an utter complete disaster 2-16, 1-17 type of season I don't see it.
So don't waster your time.
My only thing is I don't want to see any more articles about how much he has improved the program, how we are so much better off after 3 years then if we had kept Lavin or hired someone else, the balance of the roster etc, etc...
The benefit of the doubt is gone. He is no different than Steve Lavin. In fact he is no different than Norm Roberts who was 7-9 in his 3rd year in a much more difficult BE and after taking over a complete dumpster fire his first 2 years. Don't care anymore about 1985. Don't care anymore about how Zach likes this staff so he is a great read. By the way I'll dig up the tweet but Braziller tweeted a couple of years ago the plan was to be a top 25 program by year 3 (He tweeted that, he certainly got that from you know who).
Don't care anymore. No more benefit of the doubt on borderline recruits or transfers. The fact is if you look closely at what they landed and who they have beaten vs who has transferred out, who they have whiffed on, who they have lost to and throw the Slice drama, Sid Wilson dram and now the Marcus Lovett drama there is not much positive you can honestly say has happened since his hire. Hard to believe but if you take an honest look you would be hard pressed to find 5 things you would say the program is better at then they were 3 years ago.
It's CM's job, he wanted it. Staff change, no staff change. Not my call and I don't care. Fix it or take a hike. But man assuming this year continues south, what an off season and what a year he needs to have next year....
Zach must've tweeted a million times how we were setting up to bring in a "monster class" in 2018.
How could you leave the Zach Brown drama off your list!?
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Look he's not getting fired. It's not happening. Even with an utter complete disaster 2-16, 1-17 type of season I don't see it.
So don't waster your time.
My only thing is I don't want to see any more articles about how much he has improved the whole program, how we are so much better off after 3 years then if we had kept Lavin or hired someone else, the balance of the roster etc, etc...
The benefit of the doubt is gone. He is no different than Steve Lavin. In fact he is no different than Norm Roberts who was 7-9 in his 3rd year in a much more difficult BE and after taking over a complete dumpster fire his first 2 years. Don't care anymore about 1985. Don't care anymore about how Zach likes this staff so he is a great read. By the way I'll dig up the tweet but Braziller tweeted a couple of years ago the plan was to be a top 25 program by year 3 (He tweeted that, he certainly got that from you know who).
Don't care anymore. No more benefit of the doubt on borderline recruits or transfers. The fact is if you look closely at what they landed and who they have beaten vs who has transferred out, who they have whiffed on, who they have lost to and throw the Slice drama, Sid Wilson dram and now the Marcus Lovett drama there is not much positive you can honestly say has happened since his hire. Hard to believe but if you take an honest look you would be hard pressed to find 5 things you would say the program is better at then they were 3 years ago.
It's CM's job, he wanted it. Staff change, no staff change. Not my call and I don't care. Fix it or take a hike. But man assuming this year continues south, what an off season and what a year he needs to have next year....
I know he won't be fired this year, but if he has another season like this next year like you said he should be fired unless the administration is completely incompetent. I'm honestly still in shock that we're 0-5 in Big East play in year 3 of his tenure. It's an embarrassment, and complete and utter failure.
College basketball is all about coaches. You have a good coach you're going to be good. They will get the players, and they will get the players to play how they want. Chris Mullin is not a good coach, and he never will be mark my words. This guy is a joke. All he does is argue with the refs and get needless technical fouls. He doesn't know how to handle college players much less a major college program, and he doesn't know how to make the necessary adjustments to be a coach at this level. It's year 3 and he hasn't improved one bit.
I'm envious of other programs, even Iona, who have coaches who you know will have a good game-plan going into the game, and who will make the adjustments in a game to swing the momentum. Just look at the Creighton game, SJU was cruising along until McDermott (who is an awesome coach that Mullin couldn't even shine his shoes) made the adjustment and we caved like the Falcons in the Super Bowl. That's the kind of coach I want leading this program. Not some guy who had nothing better to do than come back to his alma matter and be handed the head coaching position over tons of way more qualified candidates. This program isn't going anywhere until we find a real coach.
When was the last time we had tons of way more qualified candidates?
Any coach we were involved with when we fired Lavin like both Hurley bros were more qualified.
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Look he's not getting fired. It's not happening. Even with an utter complete disaster 2-16, 1-17 type of season I don't see it.
So don't waster your time.
My only thing is I don't want to see any more articles about how much he has improved the whole program, how we are so much better off after 3 years then if we had kept Lavin or hired someone else, the balance of the roster etc, etc...
The benefit of the doubt is gone. He is no different than Steve Lavin. In fact he is no different than Norm Roberts who was 7-9 in his 3rd year in a much more difficult BE and after taking over a complete dumpster fire his first 2 years. Don't care anymore about 1985. Don't care anymore about how Zach likes this staff so he is a great read. By the way I'll dig up the tweet but Braziller tweeted a couple of years ago the plan was to be a top 25 program by year 3 (He tweeted that, he certainly got that from you know who).
Don't care anymore. No more benefit of the doubt on borderline recruits or transfers. The fact is if you look closely at what they landed and who they have beaten vs who has transferred out, who they have whiffed on, who they have lost to and throw the Slice drama, Sid Wilson dram and now the Marcus Lovett drama there is not much positive you can honestly say has happened since his hire. Hard to believe but if you take an honest look you would be hard pressed to find 5 things you would say the program is better at then they were 3 years ago.
It's CM's job, he wanted it. Staff change, no staff change. Not my call and I don't care. Fix it or take a hike. But man assuming this year continues south, what an off season and what a year he needs to have next year....
I know he won't be fired this year, but if he has another season like this next year like you said he should be fired unless the administration is completely incompetent. I'm honestly still in shock that we're 0-5 in Big East play in year 3 of his tenure. It's an embarrassment, and complete and utter failure.
College basketball is all about coaches. You have a good coach you're going to be good. They will get the players, and they will get the players to play how they want. Chris Mullin is not a good coach, and he never will be mark my words. This guy is a joke. All he does is argue with the refs and get needless technical fouls. He doesn't know how to handle college players much less a major college program, and he doesn't know how to make the necessary adjustments to be a coach at this level. It's year 3 and he hasn't improved one bit.
I'm envious of other programs, even Iona, who have coaches who you know will have a good game-plan going into the game, and who will make the adjustments in a game to swing the momentum. Just look at the Creighton game, SJU was cruising along until McDermott (who is an awesome coach that Mullin couldn't even shine his shoes) made the adjustment and we caved like the Falcons in the Super Bowl. That's the kind of coach I want leading this program. Not some guy who had nothing better to do than come back to his alma matter and be handed the head coaching position over tons of way more qualified candidates. This program isn't going anywhere until we find a real coach.
When was the last time we had tons of way more qualified candidates?
Any coach we were involved with when we fired Lavin like both Hurley bros were more qualified.
ST John's fans fascination with brothers. Used to be the Miller boys, now the Hurley's.
Somewhere out there another set of brothers are preparing to be become a fantasy for clueless ST John's fans around 2025 when they start calling for Tim Cluess to be fired.
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Look he's not getting fired. It's not happening. Even with an utter complete disaster 2-16, 1-17 type of season I don't see it.
So don't waster your time.
My only thing is I don't want to see any more articles about how much he has improved the whole program, how we are so much better off after 3 years then if we had kept Lavin or hired someone else, the balance of the roster etc, etc...
The benefit of the doubt is gone. He is no different than Steve Lavin. In fact he is no different than Norm Roberts who was 7-9 in his 3rd year in a much more difficult BE and after taking over a complete dumpster fire his first 2 years. Don't care anymore about 1985. Don't care anymore about how Zach likes this staff so he is a great read. By the way I'll dig up the tweet but Braziller tweeted a couple of years ago the plan was to be a top 25 program by year 3 (He tweeted that, he certainly got that from you know who).
Don't care anymore. No more benefit of the doubt on borderline recruits or transfers. The fact is if you look closely at what they landed and who they have beaten vs who has transferred out, who they have whiffed on, who they have lost to and throw the Slice drama, Sid Wilson dram and now the Marcus Lovett drama there is not much positive you can honestly say has happened since his hire. Hard to believe but if you take an honest look you would be hard pressed to find 5 things you would say the program is better at then they were 3 years ago.
It's CM's job, he wanted it. Staff change, no staff change. Not my call and I don't care. Fix it or take a hike. But man assuming this year continues south, what an off season and what a year he needs to have next year....
I know he won't be fired this year, but if he has another season like this next year like you said he should be fired unless the administration is completely incompetent. I'm honestly still in shock that we're 0-5 in Big East play in year 3 of his tenure. It's an embarrassment, and complete and utter failure.
College basketball is all about coaches. You have a good coach you're going to be good. They will get the players, and they will get the players to play how they want. Chris Mullin is not a good coach, and he never will be mark my words. This guy is a joke. All he does is argue with the refs and get needless technical fouls. He doesn't know how to handle college players much less a major college program, and he doesn't know how to make the necessary adjustments to be a coach at this level. It's year 3 and he hasn't improved one bit.
I'm envious of other programs, even Iona, who have coaches who you know will have a good game-plan going into the game, and who will make the adjustments in a game to swing the momentum. Just look at the Creighton game, SJU was cruising along until McDermott (who is an awesome coach that Mullin couldn't even shine his shoes) made the adjustment and we caved like the Falcons in the Super Bowl. That's the kind of coach I want leading this program. Not some guy who had nothing better to do than come back to his alma matter and be handed the head coaching position over tons of way more qualified candidates. This program isn't going anywhere until we find a real coach.
When was the last time we had tons of way more qualified candidates?
Any coach we were involved with when we fired Lavin like both Hurley bros were more qualified.
ST John's fans fascination with brothers. Used to be the Miller boys, now the Hurley's.
Somewhere out there another set of brothers are preparing to be become a fantasy for clueless ST John's fans around 2025 when they start calling for Tim Cluess to be fired.
Yeah why would we want young successful coaches that are leading their teams to the tournament when we can have this cluster buck.
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I know he won't be fired this year, but if he has another season like this next year like you said he should be fired unless the administration is completely incompetent. I'm honestly still in shock that we're 0-5 in Big East play in year 3 of his tenure. It's an embarrassment, and complete and utter failure.
College basketball is all about coaches. You have a good coach you're going to be good. They will get the players, and they will get the players to play how they want. Chris Mullin is not a good coach, and he never will be mark my words. This guy is a joke. All he does is argue with the refs and get needless technical fouls. He doesn't know how to handle college players much less a major college program, and he doesn't know how to make the necessary adjustments to be a coach at this level. It's year 3 and he hasn't improved one bit.
I'm envious of other programs, even Iona, who have coaches who you know will have a good game-plan going into the game, and who will make the adjustments in a game to swing the momentum. Just look at the Creighton game, SJU was cruising along until McDermott (who is an awesome coach that Mullin couldn't even shine his shoes) made the adjustment and we caved like the Falcons in the Super Bowl. That's the kind of coach I want leading this program. Not some guy who had nothing better to do than come back to his alma matter and be handed the head coaching position over tons of way more qualified candidates. This program isn't going anywhere until we find a real coach.
+1
I just don't see any redeeming qualities from him as a coach. I was excited when he was first hired, as I'm all about giving any coach a chance, and felt he could rejuvenate the program and fan base.
I noticed some things during his first season, and subtly mentioned it on Redmen. But, I figured it was his first season with a seriously flawed and depleted roster, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I didn't expound on it much due that scenario. I was also chastised by a poster or two on Redmen, per my initial observations. In the back of my mind, I knew we was bad, but I thought that squad should've won about 3 games, instead of one.
Last season, with better talent, we particularly played well at home. But, was getting lambasted on the road. The defense was just as bad last season, as it was during the first season. It was his second season, and the staff was still building the roster, so he still slightly got a pass. Although, I still had concerns by some things I was witnessing; I felt I'd give Mullin the benefit of the doubt again.
So far, this season.... The defense looked better for most of the OOC games, but I noticed better teams was still getting what they wanted against us. The offense looked the same, along with every thing else I had issues with during his first season. Not to mention, I've noticed regression in some players. Owens got better, but his dad had his hand in doing so. His dad will practically say as much on Twitter. The majority of personnel who has been with the program since Mullin has started coaching us, outside of Owens (where I already mentioned who played a role in his development), has regressed or status quo, IMO.
We're bringing in solid talent a year from now (thanks to Matt A.), but it's not elite-level talent. I do believe Brooks and Dixon will likely help us from the word "go," but I think there will be a learning curve for Keita and Williams. I think some folks are fooling themselves into thinking it'll be different next season due to more depth. If we was bringing in a Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, or Arizona class, then I'd agree. But, that's not the case. Besides, we don't know how things will shake out before next season with the roster. The potential roster will probably look different once the ball goes up in the air during our first exhibition game.
He just strikes me as a coach who'll fall short of expectations and prognostications. He's also somewhat lethargic on the recruiting trail. I know he won't get fired after this season, but if we finish up at 2-16 or something similar, then I'd be all for moving on. Regardless, I don't think this is gonna end well, whether after this season or next.
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If he is the man we all think he is he needs to quit. He made a mistake. He thought this would be easy. I don’t want to hate him. The more this goes the worse it will be for his legacy. He doesn’t need the money. He certainly doesn’t need the aggravation. 2 1/ 2 years of beat downs will leave us with nothing.
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I know he won't be fired this year, but if he has another season like this next year like you said he should be fired unless the administration is completely incompetent. I'm honestly still in shock that we're 0-5 in Big East play in year 3 of his tenure. It's an embarrassment, and complete and utter failure.
College basketball is all about coaches. You have a good coach you're going to be good. They will get the players, and they will get the players to play how they want. Chris Mullin is not a good coach, and he never will be mark my words. This guy is a joke. All he does is argue with the refs and get needless technical fouls. He doesn't know how to handle college players much less a major college program, and he doesn't know how to make the necessary adjustments to be a coach at this level. It's year 3 and he hasn't improved one bit.
I'm envious of other programs, even Iona, who have coaches who you know will have a good game-plan going into the game, and who will make the adjustments in a game to swing the momentum. Just look at the Creighton game, SJU was cruising along until McDermott (who is an awesome coach that Mullin couldn't even shine his shoes) made the adjustment and we caved like the Falcons in the Super Bowl. That's the kind of coach I want leading this program. Not some guy who had nothing better to do than come back to his alma matter and be handed the head coaching position over tons of way more qualified candidates. This program isn't going anywhere until we find a real coach.
+1
I just don't see any redeeming qualities from him as a coach. I was excited when he was first hired, as I'm all about giving any coach a chance, and felt he could rejuvenate the program and fan base.
I noticed some things during his first season, and subtly mentioned it on Redmen. But, I figured it was his first season with a seriously flawed and depleted roster, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I didn't expound on it much due that scenario. I was also chastised by a poster or two on Redmen, per my initial observations. In the back of my mind, I knew we was bad, but I thought that squad should've won about 3 games, instead of one.
Last season, with better talent, we particularly played well at home. But, was getting lambasted on the road. The defense was just as bad last season, as it was during the first season. It was his second season, and the staff was still building the roster, so he still slightly got a pass. Although, I still had concerns by some things I was witnessing; I felt I'd give Mullin the benefit of the doubt again.
So far, this season.... The defense looked better for most of the OOC games, but I noticed better teams was still getting what they wanted against us. The offense looked the same, along with every thing else I had issues with during his first season. Not to mention, I've noticed regression in some players. Owens got better, but his dad had his hand in doing so. His dad will practically say as much on Twitter. The majority of personnel who has been with the program since Mullin has started coaching us, outside of Owens (where I already mentioned who played a role in his development), has regressed or status quo, IMO.
We're bringing in solid talent a year from now (thanks to Matt A.), but it's not elite-level talent. I do believe Brooks and Dixon will likely help us from the word "go," but I think there will be a learning curve for Keita and Williams. I think some folks are fooling themselves into thinking it'll be different next season due to more depth. If we was bringing in a Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, or Arizona class, then I'd agree. But, that's not the case. Besides, we don't know how things will shake out before next season with the roster. The potential roster will probably look different once the ball goes up in the air during our first exhibition game.
He just strikes me as a coach who'll fall short of expectations and prognostications. He's also somewhat lethargic on the recruiting trail. I know he won't get fired after this season, but if we finish up at 2-16 or something similar, then I'd be all for moving on. Regardless, I don't think this is gonna end well, whether after this season or next.
Good summary. I couldn't agree more on all counts.
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If he is the man we all think he is he needs to quit. He made a mistake. He thought this would be easy. I don’t want to hate him. The more this goes the worse it will be for his legacy. He doesn’t need the money. He certainly doesn’t need the aggravation. 2 1/ 2 years of beat downs will leave us with nothing.
Yeah I'm starting to the think the same thing Tony. It's almost like why delay the inevitable by another season when it will probably still end poorly next year. We can then bring in an experienced coach and start realizing the potential of this roster. Not that it's a top 10 roster but by next season there will be enough talent and depth to make a legit claim at the top 25. I'm sure it won't play out like this and Mullin will stay but I just have a bad feeling that it will be more of the same (very little coaching and player development) if he sticks around.
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i could see Mitch stepping down after this season. I'm not sure what assistants will be available. A Hurley is not coming as an assistant. Maybe Rice?
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Unfortunately this is why I wanted to keep Lavin. I knew the administration would mess up the next hire. I really hope Mullin can turn it around but every game we play it looks more unlikely.
I see one or two things happening:
1 - Mullin has enough and walks away
2 - Admin support Mullin and give him a long time to hopefully turn things around
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The bright side, and I know it's hard to see right now, is that Mullin and his inexperienced staff are only going to get better at what they do. That being said, will it be enough based on what we've seen? My answer as of now is no. I have yet to see Mullin really effect a game whatsoever with his coaching in a positive way. He's far too laid back on the sidelines, often sitting down when we are unravelling.
As others have mentioned, he is not going to be fired. The only scenario where he is not the coach next year is if he agrees to step down. We knew this when we hired him. This was not a normal hire, this was a huge commitment. Chris Mullin is St. John's, you can't fire the biggest legend your program has ever seen.
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If he is the man we all think he is he needs to quit. He made a mistake.
Let me pose a hypothetical. Say that based upon your great success as a third grade boy's basketball coach in the NYC public school system you were offered and accepted your dream job: coaching a JV grade girl's volleyball team at a prestigious private school in Floral Park. Let's say that your predecessor was a complete cretin who mismanaged the program, leaving the cupboard bare forcing you at the last minute to recruit a few boarder line talents, let's call them Brittney, Skylar, Brooklyn, Addison and another Brittney. Obviously no one would have expected you to be competitive in the first year and despite your best efforts the team performed poorly. Now let's say that in the off season you were able to bring in some talented freshmen, let's call them Gemma, Madeline, Zoie and another Brittny. In your second year the talent has improved - Gemma is especially precocious - but the results a bit disappointing, as your young players are out-muscled and hustled by teams comprising bigger and stronger eight graders. Going into the third season expectations are high but suddenly tragedy strikes: Gemma gets her first period, which leaves her bloated and out of sorts and Brooklyn's father loses his job and is forced to move the family back to the Bronx. Obviously your results suffer.
So here's my question: under those circumstances would you quit your job? Or would you redouble your efforts at success using all the resources at your disposal and all the wisdom you garnered getting a prestigious physical education degree. Would you give up or would you dig out your dog eared copy of Girls Play to Win Volleyball by Chrös McDougall and burn the midnight oil, relearning the intricacies of serving and spiking. (Or whatever that stuff is called, obviously I can't be expected to be conversant in the jargon of a sport that it takes years of rigorous study to master.) If you're half the man you think you are - and I'm sure you are - I think you'd tough it out. I expect no less from a hall of fame basketball player such as Chris Mullin.
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Unfortunately this is why I wanted to keep Lavin. I knew the administration would mess up the next hire. I really hope Mullin can turn it around but every game we play it looks more unlikely.
I see one or two things happening:
1 - Mullin has enough and walks away
2 - Admin support Mullin and give him a long time to hopefully turn things around
We currently have all the drama/transfers from the Lavin years, compounded with worse basketball, thin rosters, no 20 win seasons, and not a lot of hope for the future.
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As a fan and season ticket holder since 1988, I am as frustrated and disappointed as anyone with the season of hope turning into a season of nope. That being said, if you are truly a fan stop publicly complaining. It only further damages the reputation of the program - kids/recruits read these boards. Do you want Brooks et al to sign or be a verbal that got away ? Get behind the kids who give 100% every game ( for gods sake - Bashir played with the flu)regardless if you think they are "Big East caliber." Yes , we have players with flaws and cielings (mere mortals like the rest of us). Difference is we aren't performing on a daily basis in front of thousands of critics.
At the end of the day these are 18 - 22 year old kids getting attacked on a daily basis by middle aged (and younger ) men - really? Flashback to September and ask yourself if Lovett was gone for the year what would the expectations have been ?
Sure we can cast blame for a thin roster, questionable strategic decisions etc ? But do we know all the facts ? No doubt we do not. It is easy to issue spot. Solutions are tough. The most we can do as passionate fans to help the program is to get behind what we have.
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If he is the man we all think he is he needs to quit. He made a mistake.
Let me pose a hypothetical. Say that based upon your great success as a third grade boy's basketball coach in the NYC public school system you were offered and accepted your dream job: coaching a JV grade girl's volleyball team at a prestigious private school in Floral Park. Let's say that your predecessor was a complete cretin who mismanaged the program, leaving the cupboard bare forcing you at the last minute to recruit a few boarder line talents, let's call them Brittney, Skylar, Brooklyn, Addison and another Brittney. Obviously no one would have expected you to be competitive in the first year and despite your best efforts the team performed poorly. Now let's say that in the off season you were able to bring in some talented freshmen, let's call them Gemma, Madeline, Zoie and another Brittny. In your second year the talent has improved - Gemma is especially precocious - but the results a bit disappointing, as your young players are out-muscled and hustled by teams comprising bigger and stronger eight graders. Going into the third season expectations are high but suddenly tragedy strikes: Gemma gets her first period, which leaves her bloated and out of sorts and Brooklyn's father loses his job and is forced to move the family back to the Bronx. Obviously your results suffer.
So here's my question: under those circumstances would you quit your job? Or would you redouble your efforts at success using all the resources at your disposal and all the wisdom you garnered getting a prestigious physical education degree. Would you give up or would you dig out your dog eared copy of Girls Play to Win Volleyball by Chrös McDougall and burn the midnight oil, relearning the intricacies of serving and spiking. (Or whatever that stuff is called, obviously I can't be expected to be conversant in the jargon of a sport that it takes years of rigorous study to master.) If you're half the man you think you are - and I'm sure you are - I think you'd tough it out. I expect no less from a hall of fame basketball player such as Chris Mullin.
If he is the man we all think he is he needs to quit. He made a mistake.
Let me pose a hypothetical. Say that based upon your great success as a third grade boy's basketball coach in the NYC public school system you were offered and accepted your dream job: coaching a JV grade girl's volleyball team at a prestigious private school in Floral Park. Let's say that your predecessor was a complete cretin who mismanaged the program, leaving the cupboard bare forcing you at the last minute to recruit a few boarder line talents, let's call them Brittney, Skylar, Brooklyn, Addison and another Brittney. Obviously no one would have expected you to be competitive in the first year and despite your best efforts the team performed poorly. Now let's say that in the off season you were able to bring in some talented freshmen, let's call them Gemma, Madeline, Zoie and another Brittny. In your second year the talent has improved - Gemma is especially precocious - but the results a bit disappointing, as your young players are out-muscled and hustled by teams comprising bigger and stronger eight graders. Going into the third season expectations are high but suddenly tragedy strikes: Gemma gets her first period, which leaves her bloated and out of sorts and Brooklyn's father loses his job and is forced to move the family back to the Bronx. Obviously your results suffer.
So here's my question: under those circumstances would you quit your job? Or would you redouble your efforts at success using all the resources at your disposal and all the wisdom you garnered getting a prestigious physical education degree. Would you give up or would you dig out your dog eared copy of Girls Play to Win Volleyball by Chrös McDougall and burn the midnight oil, relearning the intricacies of serving and spiking. (Or whatever that stuff is called, obviously I can't be expected to be conversant in the jargon of a sport that it takes years of rigorous study to master.) If you're half the man you think you are - and I'm sure you are - I think you'd tough it out. I expect no less from a hall of fame basketball player such as Chris Mullin.
What you wrote is true. A new coach even coaching 3rd grade makes plenty of mistakes. Often things happen. Trust me foady- coaching in NYC- something happens every day. As a coach you learn from them. You learn from experience. If you try you get better. Plenty of bad coaches coaching youth sports.
This is big east Basketball. All of the other coaches, EXCEPT ours went through this. All of them spent years learning how to do this. How many more beat downs do you need to witness before you believe?
Coach Mullin is not a young man. I am sure he is beyond financially secure. A few years ago I said coaching is hard. You mocked me. It is not hard like brain surgery. It is hard in that their are plenty of long days . Plenty of issues like periods or Lovett’s. Plenty of nonsense you have to deal with. Coaching in NYC is often thankless. It is often free. Coaching in the big east is reserved for the best. Those coaches have the best facilities and are paid well. What has our staff done as COACHES to deserve their jobs? Guess what if you coach girls CYO and don’t play any defense you will lose. If you coach girls 6th volleyball and are not prepared you will lose. If you coach Jv Basketball and you let your your volunteer assistant run practice you will lose
Trying to insult me won’t change any of this. Even if I am dumb as you say. These 3 years have been an utter failure.
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Look he's not getting fired. It's not happening. Even with an utter complete disaster 2-16, 1-17 type of season I don't see it.
So don't waster your time.
My only thing is I don't want to see any more articles about how much he has improved the whole program, how we are so much better off after 3 years then if we had kept Lavin or hired someone else, the balance of the roster etc, etc...
The benefit of the doubt is gone. He is no different than Steve Lavin. In fact he is no different than Norm Roberts who was 7-9 in his 3rd year in a much more difficult BE and after taking over a complete dumpster fire his first 2 years. Don't care anymore about 1985. Don't care anymore about how Zach likes this staff so he is a great read. By the way I'll dig up the tweet but Braziller tweeted a couple of years ago the plan was to be a top 25 program by year 3 (He tweeted that, he certainly got that from you know who).
Don't care anymore. No more benefit of the doubt on borderline recruits or transfers. The fact is if you look closely at what they landed and who they have beaten vs who has transferred out, who they have whiffed on, who they have lost to and throw the Slice drama, Sid Wilson dram and now the Marcus Lovett drama there is not much positive you can honestly say has happened since his hire. Hard to believe but if you take an honest look you would be hard pressed to find 5 things you would say the program is better at then they were 3 years ago.
It's CM's job, he wanted it. Staff change, no staff change. Not my call and I don't care. Fix it or take a hike. But man assuming this year continues south, what an off season and what a year he needs to have next year....
I know he won't be fired this year, but if he has another season like this next year like you said he should be fired unless the administration is completely incompetent. I'm honestly still in shock that we're 0-5 in Big East play in year 3 of his tenure. It's an embarrassment, and complete and utter failure.
College basketball is all about coaches. You have a good coach you're going to be good. They will get the players, and they will get the players to play how they want. Chris Mullin is not a good coach, and he never will be mark my words. This guy is a joke. All he does is argue with the refs and get needless technical fouls. He doesn't know how to handle college players much less a major college program, and he doesn't know how to make the necessary adjustments to be a coach at this level. It's year 3 and he hasn't improved one bit.
I'm envious of other programs, even Iona, who have coaches who you know will have a good game-plan going into the game, and who will make the adjustments in a game to swing the momentum. Just look at the Creighton game, SJU was cruising along until McDermott (who is an awesome coach that Mullin couldn't even shine his shoes) made the adjustment and we caved like the Falcons in the Super Bowl. That's the kind of coach I want leading this program. Not some guy who had nothing better to do than come back to his alma matter and be handed the head coaching position over tons of way more qualified candidates. This program isn't going anywhere until we find a real coach.
When was the last time we had tons of way more qualified candidates?
Any coach we were involved with when we fired Lavin like both Hurley bros were more qualified.
ST John's fans fascination with brothers. Used to be the Miller boys, now the Hurley's.
Somewhere out there another set of brothers are preparing to be become a fantasy for clueless ST John's fans around 2025 when they start calling for Tim Cluess to be fired.
Yeah why would we want young successful coaches that are leading their teams to the tournament when we can have this cluster buck.
Because they were never coming here.
School won't pay up and it is not a desirable job.
Disagree and say it is that answer why we never get that hot name that comes up?
I guess Fran and Jarvis sort of qualify but that was not that far removed from us being relevant.
Norm, Lavin was fired and ridiculed and hadn't coached in what 10 years? Mullin made sense in that he was the conquering hero but he has never coached.
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What you wrote is true.
Most everything I write is true. People just find it unpleasant because the truth is unpleasant.
A new coach even coaching 3rd grade makes plenty of mistakes. Often things happen. Trust me foady- coaching in NYC- something happens every day. As a coach you learn from them. You learn from experience. If you try you get better. Plenty of bad coaches coaching youth sports.
In the spirit of comity I will not drive a truck through that generous opening.
This is big east Basketball. All of the other coaches, EXCEPT ours went through this. All of them spent years learning how to do this. How many more beat downs do you need to witness before you believe?
Believe what? That Mullin's learning on the job? Of course he is. That the results have been disappointing? Of course they have. That Mullin's completely over his head and if he's a real man he should quit? I think that's just silly.
A few years ago I said coaching is hard. You mocked me. It is not hard like brain surgery. It is hard in that their are plenty of long days . Plenty of issues like periods or Lovett’s. Plenty of nonsense you have to deal with. Coaching in NYC is often thankless. It is often free.
Fair enough. I didn't consider that you meant it was grueling and thankless. I'm sure it is, as are most jobs. That's why they call them jobs rather than ice cream cones or rainbows. I thought you meant it was intellectually taxing. Which it can't be, because blockheads like Jim Boeheim and Bobby Knight are in the hall of fame for being good at it.
Coaching in the big east is reserved for the best.
The best Jerry, the best. Like Norm Roberts, Jerry Wainright, Fred the Moleman Hill and the great Steve Lavin. The creme de la creme.
Those coaches have the best facilities
Right, like Carnesseca Arena.
What has our staff done as COACHES to deserve their jobs?
In a general sense I think that most people shoud get what they deserve and they should get it good and hard. Other than that I don't really know what you mean. Mullin is a HOF player and the face of the program. That's what he did to deserve his job. Matt whatever has a track record of success as a recruiter, that's what he did to deserve his job. I don't know what Richmond's job is but he seems over qualified for it.
Question: do you believe that only people who are trained or experienced in one aspect of a certain profession can be successful at it? That eg only someone who has coached before can be a successful coach? If so, can you explain how William Shatner, a amazing actor, went on to a great career as a singer? How Lenny Dykstra, a centerfielder, went on to astounding success as a financial advisor? How Donald Trump, a game show host, is making America great again as president of the United States? The fact is that people can be good or bad at one thing and then later good or bad at another. Norm was a great assistant coach and a lousy head coach. Bill Rafferty was a great player, a bad coach and a great broadcaster. Billy Martin was a mediocre player and a great manager. There is not one path to success and - and you might have to sit down, this is pretty deep - one path can lead to many different destinations.
Guess what if you coach girls CYO and don’t play any defense you will lose. If you coach girls 6th volleyball and are not prepared you will lose. If you coach Jv Basketball and you let your your volunteer assistant run practice you will lose
That's probably true. Just as is the opposite. That you can play good defense and lose, or little defense (Paul Westhead, Tim Cluess) and win. You can not prepare and win (See exhibit A: Steve Lavin). You can let your assistant run practice and win (see exhibit B: Mike Dunlap).
Trying to insult me won’t change any of this. Even if I am dumb as you say.
I'm not trying to insult you and I don't know whether or not you're dumb. But you say a lot of dumb things, many of which are the opposite of the dumb things you said the day before.
These 3 years have been an utter failure.
Utter failure is a little harsh. You're forgetting that the great Federico Missini once led us to a glorious victory over hated rival Syracuse. The most of it though has been less than pleasant, I won't argue that point.
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Here's the bottom line.
At this point they are going to make the best of the remaining 14 games. Even if the best is a disaster.
Then they will say next year with added depth and talent will yield better results.
That will be the plan. At this point I am not convinced next year is going to be some huge year because as is the case with many things we overhype incoming talent.
But I am just saying that will be the corporate line and so either live with it or complain more but that is going to be the plan.
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Here's the bottom line.
At this point they are going to make the best of the remaining 14 games. Even if the best is a disaster.
Then they will say next year with added depth and talent will yield better results.
That will be the plan. At this point I am not convinced next year is going to be some huge year because as is the case with many things we overhype incoming talent.
But I am just saying that will be the corporate line and so either live with it or complain more but that is going to be the plan.
key to next year will be who goes and who stays from this current crop. simple as that. we need continuity. that's been our biggest issue.
(and i don't want to hear 'so and so would be an idiot to leave'. we've seen it happen before.)
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Look he's not getting fired. It's not happening. Even with an utter complete disaster 2-16, 1-17 type of season I don't see it.
So don't waster your time.
My only thing is I don't want to see any more articles about how much he has improved the whole program, how we are so much better off after 3 years then if we had kept Lavin or hired someone else, the balance of the roster etc, etc...
The benefit of the doubt is gone. He is no different than Steve Lavin. In fact he is no different than Norm Roberts who was 7-9 in his 3rd year in a much more difficult BE and after taking over a complete dumpster fire his first 2 years. Don't care anymore about 1985. Don't care anymore about how Zach likes this staff so he is a great read. By the way I'll dig up the tweet but Braziller tweeted a couple of years ago the plan was to be a top 25 program by year 3 (He tweeted that, he certainly got that from you know who).
Don't care anymore. No more benefit of the doubt on borderline recruits or transfers. The fact is if you look closely at what they landed and who they have beaten vs who has transferred out, who they have whiffed on, who they have lost to and throw the Slice drama, Sid Wilson dram and now the Marcus Lovett drama there is not much positive you can honestly say has happened since his hire. Hard to believe but if you take an honest look you would be hard pressed to find 5 things you would say the program is better at then they were 3 years ago.
It's CM's job, he wanted it. Staff change, no staff change. Not my call and I don't care. Fix it or take a hike. But man assuming this year continues south, what an off season and what a year he needs to have next year....
I know he won't be fired this year, but if he has another season like this next year like you said he should be fired unless the administration is completely incompetent. I'm honestly still in shock that we're 0-5 in Big East play in year 3 of his tenure. It's an embarrassment, and complete and utter failure.
College basketball is all about coaches. You have a good coach you're going to be good. They will get the players, and they will get the players to play how they want. Chris Mullin is not a good coach, and he never will be mark my words. This guy is a joke. All he does is argue with the refs and get needless technical fouls. He doesn't know how to handle college players much less a major college program, and he doesn't know how to make the necessary adjustments to be a coach at this level. It's year 3 and he hasn't improved one bit.
I'm envious of other programs, even Iona, who have coaches who you know will have a good game-plan going into the game, and who will make the adjustments in a game to swing the momentum. Just look at the Creighton game, SJU was cruising along until McDermott (who is an awesome coach that Mullin couldn't even shine his shoes) made the adjustment and we caved like the Falcons in the Super Bowl. That's the kind of coach I want leading this program. Not some guy who had nothing better to do than come back to his alma matter and be handed the head coaching position over tons of way more qualified candidates. This program isn't going anywhere until we find a real coach.
When was the last time we had tons of way more qualified candidates?
Any coach we were involved with when we fired Lavin like both Hurley bros were more qualified.
ST John's fans fascination with brothers. Used to be the Miller boys, now the Hurley's.
Somewhere out there another set of brothers are preparing to be become a fantasy for clueless ST John's fans around 2025 when they start calling for Tim Cluess to be fired.
Yeah why would we want young successful coaches that are leading their teams to the tournament when we can have this cluster buck.
Because they were never coming here.
School won't pay up and it is not a desirable job.
Disagree and say it is that answer why we never get that hot name that comes up?
I guess Fran and Jarvis sort of qualify but that was not that far removed from us being relevant.
Norm, Lavin was fired and ridiculed and hadn't coached in what 10 years? Mullin made sense in that he was the conquering hero but he has never coached.
I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered. He is a fine coach who established a winning culture at URI, and undoubtedly would have been a better hire than Mullin. If you're a college basketball coach at a high level you either have to be able to recruit really well or coach and develop really well, or be at least decent at both, and Mullin is below average to terrible at both. There is no light at the end of the tunnel with him coaching. Time for him to swallow his pride and go find some cushy NBA front office job.
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Reality is Mullin isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Most you can reasonably wish for us that they shake up the staff a bit and everyone but Lovett stays an we added much needed depth and scoring help with the incoming recruits. These last 5 games have been incredibly disappointing so I don’t give anyone flak for blowing off steam. This season will go down as a huge disappointment but the reality of the situation is he will be back next year unless he wants to leave.
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Here's the bottom line.
At this point they are going to make the best of the remaining 14 games. Even if the best is a disaster.
Then they will say next year with added depth and talent will yield better results.
That will be the plan. At this point I am not convinced next year is going to be some huge year because as is the case with many things we overhype incoming talent.
But I am just saying that will be the corporate line and so either live with it or complain more but that is going to be the plan.
key to next year will be who goes and who stays from this current crop. simple as that. we need continuity. that's been our biggest issue.
(and i don't want to hear 'so and so would be an idiot to leave'. we've seen it happen before.)
If we have a repeat of the exodus last year, we will be just spinning our wheels. Have to see if the recruits enrolls and who leaves Getting a qualified assistant coach would also help.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
I also heard that he wasn't interested, but the reason for that was because he was waiting for Willard to get fired from Seton Hall (probably Hurley's dream job, since that's his alma mater). Remember, they were just coming off that disappointing season, with all the in-fighting, and many felt Willard was on the hot seat.
Willard's firing is not going to happen anytime soon, now, so maybe Hurley's thoughts on our job have changed.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
I also heard that he wasn't interested, but the reason for that was because he was waiting for Willard to get fired from Seton Hall (probably Hurley's dream job, since that's his alma mater). Remember, they were just coming off that disappointing season, with all the in-fighting, and many felt Willard was on the hot seat.
Willard's firing is not going to happen anytime soon, now, so maybe Hurley's thoughts on our job have changed.
Seton Hall is nobody's dream school
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
I also heard that he wasn't interested, but the reason for that was because he was waiting for Willard to get fired from Seton Hall (probably Hurley's dream job, since that's his alma mater). Remember, they were just coming off that disappointing season, with all the in-fighting, and many felt Willard was on the hot seat.
Willard's firing is not going to happen anytime soon, now, so maybe Hurley's thoughts on our job have changed.
Speaking of Hurley and Seton Hall. For all of you angry at Lovett, Hurley quit in mid season while at SH. Now that was not as big a deal because unlike Lovett, Hurley was not any good. But still all of you killing Lovett couldn't possibly want Danny Hurley as coach, right?
Also wasn't there that rumor that when Hurley was at Saint Benedict's and didn't get assistant job at SH he supposedly threatened to never send one of his kids to SH?
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Even better I hate Seton Hall too.
I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
I also heard that he wasn't interested, but the reason for that was because he was waiting for Willard to get fired from Seton Hall (probably Hurley's dream job, since that's his alma mater). Remember, they were just coming off that disappointing season, with all the in-fighting, and many felt Willard was on the hot seat.
Willard's firing is not going to happen anytime soon, now, so maybe Hurley's thoughts on our job have changed.
Speaking of Hurley and Seton Hall. For all of you angry at Lovett, Hurley quit in mid season while at SH. Now that was not as big a deal because unlike Lovett, Hurley was not any good. But still all of you killing Lovett couldn't possibly want Danny Hurley as coach, right?
Also wasn't there that rumor that when Hurley was at Saint Benedict's and didn't get assistant job at SH he supposedly threatened to never send one of his kids to SH?
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I understand the anger and frustration of BE play and it’s hard to imagine if it will get better, but I don’t understand about completely burning down the house because of serious foundation issue being found, but are fixable.
At 10-2 Mullin was a coach who was improving after a respectable OOC schedule. At 10-7 and 0-5 in the BE, he is a utter failure who has no damn clue to what he is doing...having his second best player out doesn’t count. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Everyone agreed that this was a razor thin margin for error, and the season would be a difficult if anyone was hurt. The goal was an NIT birth and the dream was the NCAA.
I think the Lovett situation being resolved will help the team, instead the what if’s and whys.
As of right now the roster will be balanced (IF things do not change) for next year, and the staff will have another year of experience. I would love to see Mullin hire an experience asst coach to help him.
This team has been close in most games, especially to better teams, and played bad against one bad team, and stopped playing in he second half against Providence. No one sees any improvement?
Before we discard another coach to the garbage heap and rebuild for the 7th (?) time since he 90’s, let see/hope this staff can repair the fixable foundation issues on this team...Let’s not get the matches yet...
I still have faith in the SJU administration to get things fix and not let things fester for awhile.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
Hurley was 100% interested and that is directly from him (won't give you the source) Would have run down I-95 for the job. There were two candidates in 2015, Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley. SJU did not put together a list because they knew it would not get past either one. Chris was first when he said yes it was over.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
Hurley was 100% interested and that is directly from him (won't give you the source) Would have run down I-95 for the job. There were two candidates in 2015, Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley. SJU did not put together a list because they knew it would not get past either one. Chris was first when he said yes it was over.
If you had a source then it is NOT directly from him. It is from your unnamed source. I was told he was not interested. I was told this after Mullin was named so it could just be revisionist history on Hurley's part. Or maybe your unnamed source is better than mine, but to say something definitive like that w/o giving the source is kind of weak. If you PM me I will show you mine if you show me yours though.
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Ponds has been playing through pain. Clearly he’s not the guy he was before the Providence game. Without LoVett and Shamorie at maybe 75% we’ve got to get great games out of Marvin Clark, Bashir Ahmed, Tariq Owens, Justin Simon and even Kassoum Yakwe all have to bring it or it’s over. They’ve got to stay out of foul trouble. Clark, Simon and Owens all pick such poorly timed fouls. Stop going for steals and just stay with your man. We couldn’t turn DePaul over. Maybe it’s time for a zone? Something has to change.
One positive sign in a horrible week is Trimble. At least he hit some threes. He’s also rebounded well. I’m sure some of you may have noticed but we are nowhere near the basket at that moment you should be thinking rebound, but Trimble pulled down at least one impressive board on Tuesday. Can he build on this and start killing it finally from outside?
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Ponds has been playing through pain. Clearly he’s not the guy he was before the Providence game. Without LoVett and Shamorie at maybe 75% we’ve got to get great games out of Marvin Clark, Bashir Ahmed, Tariq Owens, Justin Simon and even Kassoum Yakwe all have to bring it or it’s over. They’ve got to stay out of foul trouble. Clark, Simon and Owens all pick such poorly timed fouls. Stop going for steals and just stay with your man. We couldn’t turn DePaul over. Maybe it’s time for a zone? Something has to change.
One positive sign in a horrible week is Trimble. At least he hit some threes. He’s also rebounded well. I’m sure some of you may have noticed but we are nowhere near the basket at that moment you should be thinking rebound, but Trimble pulled down at least one impressive board on Tuesday. Can he build on this and start killing it finally from outside?
Trimble needs to be more active. On offense he just stands out behind the three point line. Needs to try to do other things. Should get more pt now you would hope.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
Hurley was 100% interested and that is directly from him (won't give you the source) Would have run down I-95 for the job. There were two candidates in 2015, Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley. SJU did not put together a list because they knew it would not get past either one. Chris was first when he said yes it was over.
If you had a source then it is NOT directly from him. It is from your unnamed source. I was told he was not interested. I was told this after Mullin was named so it could just be revisionist history on Hurley's part. Or maybe your unnamed source is better than mine, but to say something definitive like that w/o giving the source is kind of weak. If you PM me I will show you mine if you show me yours though.
Guy I'm not getting into it but it is as direct as you can get without being direct....
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
Hurley was 100% interested and that is directly from him (won't give you the source) Would have run down I-95 for the job. There were two candidates in 2015, Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley. SJU did not put together a list because they knew it would not get past either one. Chris was first when he said yes it was over.
If you had a source then it is NOT directly from him. It is from your unnamed source. I was told he was not interested. I was told this after Mullin was named so it could just be revisionist history on Hurley's part. Or maybe your unnamed source is better than mine, but to say something definitive like that w/o giving the source is kind of weak. If you PM me I will show you mine if you show me yours though.
Guy I'm not getting into it but it is as direct as you can get without being direct....
I can verify what Fordham heard as well
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Hurley wouldn't take the Hall job I don't believe.
Willard is going to leave there as soon as a decent Power school comes around. They gave him a long leash - and he still would have been fired if not for hiring Tiny -- and is doing a good job riding out those players. He considered taking the South Florida job last season when it looked as if their season was going to be a disaster and most thought Angel would turn pro. Has been very fortunate in how things have gone there -- getting all the breaks we seem to never get.
I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
I also heard that he wasn't interested, but the reason for that was because he was waiting for Willard to get fired from Seton Hall (probably Hurley's dream job, since that's his alma mater). Remember, they were just coming off that disappointing season, with all the in-fighting, and many felt Willard was on the hot seat.
Willard's firing is not going to happen anytime soon, now, so maybe Hurley's thoughts on our job have changed.
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Whether Danny Hurley was interested or not. Whether the school would have paid he what he would have wanted or not. Danny Hurley was not a slam dunk. At the time I think as did a great number of you as well that hiring Chris Mullin was a gamble worth taking. So far it has gone well off the tracks. But I find it really hilarious that the same mooks whining about Marcus Lovett's "disloyalty" want Chris freaking Mullin fired after two and a half years. Talk to me after next year.... maybe . Still won't match number of years given to Norm Roberts.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
Hurley was 100% interested and that is directly from him (won't give you the source) Would have run down I-95 for the job. There were two candidates in 2015, Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley. SJU did not put together a list because they knew it would not get past either one. Chris was first when he said yes it was over.
If you had a source then it is NOT directly from him. It is from your unnamed source. I was told he was not interested. I was told this after Mullin was named so it could just be revisionist history on Hurley's part. Or maybe your unnamed source is better than mine, but to say something definitive like that w/o giving the source is kind of weak. If you PM me I will show you mine if you show me yours though.
Guy I'm not getting into it but it is as direct as you can get without being direct....
I can verify what Fordham heard as well
I will ask his Dad when he see him in a couple of weeks - will let you know
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Whether Danny Hurley was interested or not. Whether the school would have paid he what he would have wanted or not. Danny Hurley was not a slam dunk. At the time I think as did a great number of you as well that hiring Chris Mullin was a gamble worth taking. So far it has gone well off the tracks. But I find it really hilarious that the same mooks whining about Marcus Lovett's "disloyalty" want Chris freaking Mullin fired after two and a half years. Talk to me after next year.... maybe . Still won't match number of years given to Norm Roberts.
We are 211-244, 46% winning percentage, in the last 15 years. I am not calling for him to be fired, mostly because we've painted ourselves into a corner and cannot do that, but I am calling for the university to show a true commitment to the program and make difficult choices - like 1) telling coach that he's not going to have the power to unilaterally pick his own assistants after this season, that the AD and advisers of his choosing are going to approve of any choices and suggest changes themselves; 2) committing to pay those new assistants above market rates as needed to secure their services; 3) breaking ground on a new facility on the scale of the Thompson Center at Georgetown. Or else let's just toss in the towel, be an A10 team, and wax nostalgic about the glory days.
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Whether Danny Hurley was interested or not. Whether the school would have paid he what he would have wanted or not. Danny Hurley was not a slam dunk. At the time I think as did a great number of you as well that hiring Chris Mullin was a gamble worth taking. So far it has gone well off the tracks. But I find it really hilarious that the same mooks whining about Marcus Lovett's "disloyalty" want Chris freaking Mullin fired after two and a half years. Talk to me after next year.... maybe . Still won't match number of years given to Norm Roberts.
1) telling coach that he's not going to have the power to unilaterally pick his own assistants after this season, that the AD and advisers of his choosing are going to approve of any choices and suggest changes themselves;
That's ridiculous, either you trust him to do his job or you don't.
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Whether Danny Hurley was interested or not. Whether the school would have paid he what he would have wanted or not. Danny Hurley was not a slam dunk. At the time I think as did a great number of you as well that hiring Chris Mullin was a gamble worth taking. So far it has gone well off the tracks. But I find it really hilarious that the same mooks whining about Marcus Lovett's "disloyalty" want Chris freaking Mullin fired after two and a half years. Talk to me after next year.... maybe . Still won't match number of years given to Norm Roberts.
1) telling coach that he's not going to have the power to unilaterally pick his own assistants after this season, that the AD and advisers of his choosing are going to approve of any choices and suggest changes themselves;
That's ridiculous, either you trust him to do his job or you don't.
It's done all the time in sports usually to someone too stubborn to see doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results ain't gonna cut it and when you don't want to fire the guy. Based on his results why would you trust him left to his own device.
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Whether Danny Hurley was interested or not. Whether the school would have paid he what he would have wanted or not. Danny Hurley was not a slam dunk. At the time I think as did a great number of you as well that hiring Chris Mullin was a gamble worth taking. So far it has gone well off the tracks. But I find it really hilarious that the same mooks whining about Marcus Lovett's "disloyalty" want Chris freaking Mullin fired after two and a half years. Talk to me after next year.... maybe . Still won't match number of years given to Norm Roberts.
We are 211-244, 46% winning percentage, in the last 15 years. I am not calling for him to be fired, mostly because we've painted ourselves into a corner and cannot do that, but I am calling for the university to show a true commitment to the program and make difficult choices - like 1) telling coach that he's not going to have the power to unilaterally pick his own assistants after this season, that the AD and advisers of his choosing are going to approve of any choices and suggest changes themselves; 2) committing to pay those new assistants above market rates as needed to secure their services; 3) breaking ground on a new facility on the scale of the Thompson Center at Georgetown. Or else let's just toss in the towel, be an A10 team, and wax nostalgic about the glory days.
Agree with your first two points. As for your last suggestion never thought I would agree with that way of thinking but I am getting there. Maybe if they de-emphasized the program I could finally move on without it instead of hoping that they will ever get it right.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
I also heard that he wasn't interested, but the reason for that was because he was waiting for Willard to get fired from Seton Hall (probably Hurley's dream job, since that's his alma mater). Remember, they were just coming off that disappointing season, with all the in-fighting, and many felt Willard was on the hot seat.
Willard's firing is not going to happen anytime soon, now, so maybe Hurley's thoughts on our job have changed.
Speaking of Hurley and Seton Hall. For all of you angry at Lovett, Hurley quit in mid season while at SH. Now that was not as big a deal because unlike Lovett, Hurley was not any good. But still all of you killing Lovett couldn't possibly want Danny Hurley as coach, right?
Also wasn't there that rumor that when Hurley was at Saint Benedict's and didn't get assistant job at SH he supposedly threatened to never send one of his kids to SH?
I think dealing with depression and your brother and best friend almost dying are a little different than what Marcus and family are doing. After being an assistant at Rutgers, Hurley said he would only return to the college game if he could run his own program. Your SHU assistant coach story is bad info. Rhode Island loves him and will do whatever they can to keep him.
I still don’t understand why Mullin took the job. I get ego and the honor of coming back and all that, but coaching can be miserable and he had a pretty sweet deal before all this.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
I also heard that he wasn't interested, but the reason for that was because he was waiting for Willard to get fired from Seton Hall (probably Hurley's dream job, since that's his alma mater). Remember, they were just coming off that disappointing season, with all the in-fighting, and many felt Willard was on the hot seat.
Willard's firing is not going to happen anytime soon, now, so maybe Hurley's thoughts on our job have changed.
Speaking of Hurley and Seton Hall. For all of you angry at Lovett, Hurley quit in mid season while at SH. Now that was not as big a deal because unlike Lovett, Hurley was not any good. But still all of you killing Lovett couldn't possibly want Danny Hurley as coach, right?
Also wasn't there that rumor that when Hurley was at Saint Benedict's and didn't get assistant job at SH he supposedly threatened to never send one of his kids to SH?
I think dealing with depression and your brother and best friend almost dying are a little different than what Marcus and family are doing. After being an assistant at Rutgers, Hurley said he would only return to the college game if he could run his own program. Your SHU assistant coach story is bad info. Rhode Island loves him and will do whatever they can to keep him.
I still don’t understand why Mullin took the job. I get ego and the honor of coming back and all that, but coaching can be miserable and he had a pretty sweet deal before all this.
Before he got Rutgers gig. While coaching in HS
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Whether Danny Hurley was interested or not. Whether the school would have paid he what he would have wanted or not. Danny Hurley was not a slam dunk. At the time I think as did a great number of you as well that hiring Chris Mullin was a gamble worth taking. So far it has gone well off the tracks. But I find it really hilarious that the same mooks whining about Marcus Lovett's "disloyalty" want Chris freaking Mullin fired after two and a half years. Talk to me after next year.... maybe . Still won't match number of years given to Norm Roberts.
1) telling coach that he's not going to have the power to unilaterally pick his own assistants after this season, that the AD and advisers of his choosing are going to approve of any choices and suggest changes themselves;
That's ridiculous, either you trust him to do his job or you don't.
It's not ideal but it's what colleges go when they can't remove themselves of the head coach for differing reasons. Paterno at Penn State in later years, Brian kelly at Notre Dame this past year, Bowden at Fsu in later years come to mind
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Whether Danny Hurley was interested or not. Whether the school would have paid he what he would have wanted or not. Danny Hurley was not a slam dunk. At the time I think as did a great number of you as well that hiring Chris Mullin was a gamble worth taking. So far it has gone well off the tracks. But I find it really hilarious that the same mooks whining about Marcus Lovett's "disloyalty" want Chris freaking Mullin fired after two and a half years. Talk to me after next year.... maybe . Still won't match number of years given to Norm Roberts.
We are 211-244, 46% winning percentage, in the last 15 years. I am not calling for him to be fired, mostly because we've painted ourselves into a corner and cannot do that, but I am calling for the university to show a true commitment to the program and make difficult choices - like 1) telling coach that he's not going to have the power to unilaterally pick his own assistants after this season, that the AD and advisers of his choosing are going to approve of any choices and suggest changes themselves; 2) committing to pay those new assistants above market rates as needed to secure their services; 3) breaking ground on a new facility on the scale of the Thompson Center at Georgetown. Or else let's just toss in the towel, be an A10 team, and wax nostalgic about the glory days.
Agree with your first two points. As for your last suggestion never thought I would agree with that way of thinking but I am getting there. Maybe if they de-emphasized the program I could finally move on without it instead of hoping that they will ever get it right.
It's rough. The last admin raided the university and the program and left both in a degraded place. It will take innovation, large scale fund raising and hard work from Goff and the university president
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Worst coach in America right now. Not a single coach on the planet who got a big time job with absolutely zero experience. Louie had a ton to do with the hiring and must take part of the blame. Mullin gave all his friends Cush jobs to do nothing and the only one who works is Matt and he couldn't draw up a play for a kids game. Just an embarrassing program who continues to bring in one bum coach after another. Jarvis, Lavin, and now clueless Mullin have run this program into the ground. This was supposed to be our year. Look how many players have left the program under the great Chris Mullin. Trust me St John's will somehow down the road find a even worse coach than this guy. What other respectable team would hire a guy without a days worth of experience besides St John's. Both Hurley bros were right there for the taking
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Norm is only coach in last 20 years where the program actually improved while he was in control and the program was in good shape when he left. I would take Norm Roberts back this minute and just let him do his thing
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Patrick Ewing put in 10-15 years of coaching before Georgetown hired him. Louie told St John's to go hire Chris Mullin cause it was his favorite player and the clueless admin said okay. How many years and what should we pay his pals???
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Norm is only coach in last 20 years where the program actually improved while he was in control and the program was in good shape when he left. I would take Norm Roberts back this minute and just let him do his thing
Probably should get banned for a post this dumb.
Baldi posting under new name?
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This years recruiting class was a joke. 2 NBA stars on coaching staff where team plays at Madison Square Garden and you can't lure in one freaking recruit. Mullin was supposed to own the city with all his great connections and since they were able to con Ponds into coming they have gotten zero city kids. Bashir Ahmed is terrible. Can anyone please come up with a list of all the players that have left or quit under this staff. Loser Alibegovic wanted out so bad but this lazy staff had the magic powers to rerecruit and get that stud to stay. Every big player they have chased they have struck out on. Let's not forget about Zack Brown or this shady recruit coming that was supposed to go to USC. My prediction he never plays a minute in a St John's uniform,. Can someone please tell me how long we are going to have to deal with Mullin for because St John's made such a huge mistake hiring him. Anyone know how Ryaheed Jordan's trial is going??
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We are SJU
Norm had to come in and clean up Jarvis' mess and he had the program going in one direction. There wasn't the mass exodus of players under him and he actually recruited some local kids which is always more fun and the way St John's always went about their business. He left Lavin a pretty badass team to take over so yes when he left the program it was in very good shape with very little drama. Kudos to Norm he didn't get nearly enough credit
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This years recruiting class was a joke. 2 NBA stars on coaching staff where team plays at Madison Square Garden and you can't lure in one freaking recruit. Mullin was supposed to own the city with all his great connections and since they were able to con Ponds into coming they have gotten zero city kids. Bashir Ahmed is terrible. Can anyone please come up with a list of all the players that have left or quit under this staff. Loser Alibegovic wanted out so bad but this lazy staff had the magic powers to rerecruit and get that stud to stay. Every big player they have chased they have struck out on. Let's not forget about Zack Brown or this shady recruit coming that was supposed to go to USC. My prediction he never plays a minute in a St John's uniform,. Can someone please tell me how long we are going to have to deal with Mullin for because St John's made such a huge mistake hiring him. Anyone know how Ryaheed Jordan's trial is going??
Was thinking the same on the USC kid. Red flag
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Interesting tweets by Tariq Owens' dad
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Maybe I’m a little bias because I talk to the staff. I see the effort the love they have. I know how they treat my son. Any parent got a kid playing this no PR this fact. STUBB staff good people. I’m one parent one perspective. I’m good with them
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We are SJU
Norm had to come in and clean up Jarvis' mess and he had the program going in one direction. There wasn't the mass exodus of players under him and he actually recruited some local kids which is always more fun and the way St John's always went about their business. He left Lavin a pretty badass team to take over so yes when he left the program it was in very good shape with very little drama. Kudos to Norm he didn't get nearly enough credit
I was about to give you credit for being able to turn on your computer but this has to be Bluto using another sign on.
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Oh I 110% think Mullin is a good person just a very very bad basketball coach. Don't doubt that they treat the kids good but that doesn't mean they are lazy and not good at what they do. Nice guys normally finish last.
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This years recruiting class was a joke. 2 NBA stars on coaching staff where team plays at Madison Square Garden and you can't lure in one freaking recruit. Mullin was supposed to own the city with all his great connections and since they were able to con Ponds into coming they have gotten zero city kids. Bashir Ahmed is terrible. Can anyone please come up with a list of all the players that have left or quit under this staff. Loser Alibegovic wanted out so bad but this lazy staff had the magic powers to rerecruit and get that stud to stay. Every big player they have chased they have struck out on. Let's not forget about Zack Brown or this shady recruit coming that was supposed to go to USC. My prediction he never plays a minute in a St John's uniform,. Can someone please tell me how long we are going to have to deal with Mullin for because St John's made such a huge mistake hiring him. Anyone know how Ryaheed Jordan's trial is going??
Was thinking the same on the USC kid. Red flag
Now you are responding to your own posts? First sign that you are going crazy, talking to yourself.
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We are SJU
Norm had to come in and clean up Jarvis' mess and he had the program going in one direction. There wasn't the mass exodus of players under him and he actually recruited some local kids which is always more fun and the way St John's always went about their business. He left Lavin a pretty badass team to take over so yes when he left the program it was in very good shape with very little drama. Kudos to Norm he didn't get nearly enough credit
I was about to give you credit for being able to turn on your computer but this has to be Bluto using another sign on.
Ha! I hear 'ya, WASJU (and, I don't agree with too much stuff you say). Dude talking about Norm Roberts.... Sheesh! Norm Roberts may be a cool dude, but please already! Besides, he left Lavin with a team, in which he could never win with 'em, and a team where Lavin had to recruit an entirely new roster, afterwards.
I wouldn't doubt it's a poster who already has a screenname on here. Not sure it's Baldi, though.
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We are SJU
Norm had to come in and clean up Jarvis' mess and he had the program going in one direction. There wasn't the mass exodus of players under him and he actually recruited some local kids which is always more fun and the way St John's always went about their business. He left Lavin a pretty badass team to take over so yes when he left the program it was in very good shape with very little drama. Kudos to Norm he didn't get nearly enough credit
I was about to give you credit for being able to turn on your computer but this has to be Bluto using another sign on.
Nah I don't post anything more than 2 sentences
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Whenever we just fall into these big recruits there is a reason. This USC kid will never play here but it will be fun for the fan base to get worked up over. When this staff landed Ponds I was stoked because thought we were going back to basics and recrui in tough local kids who care about representing the city but it has been anything but.
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Whenever we just fall into these big recruits there is a reason. This USC kid will never play here but it will be fun for the fan base to get worked up over. When this staff landed Ponds I was stoked because thought we were going back to basics and recrui in tough local kids who care about representing the city but it has been anything but.
The only reason I believe Brooks may never play here is because the shit show may scare him off, and he's yet to sign. Hopefully, that's not the deal, though.
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The current crap show has nothing to do with it. The kid will be exposed once all the details come out but St John's being lazy and desperate (bad combo) for a big recruit jumped at taking the kid on board and in the meantime kid feels wanted and doesn't feel like he f'ed his life up by taking a couple grand to play college ball. It's really a sad story for everyone involved including some people on this site that get a woody thinking about the guy coming next year. Keep dreaming
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Okay so let's see
Players who quit under Mullin staff
Murderer Rysheed Jordan
Chris Obekpa
Fed Mussini
Marcus Lovett
Players who transferred out under Mullin staff
Williams
Ellison
Sima
I know I am forgetting a player or 2 but it is ridiculous. Players must know staff is lazy and they aren't getting better so time to head elsewhere. Gonna be real interesting to see what Ponds does at the end of this year. Sources tell me he is as good as gone
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Okay so let's see
Players who quit under Mullin staff
Murderer Rysheed Jordan
Chris Obekpa
Fed Mussini
Marcus Lovett
Players who transferred out under Mullin staff
Williams
Ellison
Sima
I know I am forgetting a player or 2 but it is ridiculous. Players must know staff is lazy and they aren't getting better so time to head elsewhere. Gonna be real interesting to see what Ponds does at the end of this year. Sources tell me he is as good as gone
To Arizona?
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I heard Zona, possibly South Carolina or turning pro but I think the pro dreams are slipping away under this staff. Even though I do think Ponds is playing hurt his game is just an all around mess right now.
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Okay so let's see
Players who quit under Mullin staff
Murderer Rysheed Jordan
Chris Obekpa
Fed Mussini
Marcus Lovett
Players who transferred out under Mullin staff
Williams
Ellison
Sima
I know I am forgetting a player or 2 but it is ridiculous. Players must know staff is lazy and they aren't getting better so time to head elsewhere. Gonna be real interesting to see what Ponds does at the end of this year. Sources tell me he is as good as gone
Jordan's situation is an attempted murder case, and he has yet to be convicted. So, let's keep things logical and factual.
The staff is lethargic outside of Matt A. I've said it for about a year now. Unfortunately, most of the roster is regressing or has regressed. What the heck happened to Yakwe?! He was always raw, but he looks nothing like the kid who I saw during his freshmen season (especially, towards the end of that season). He's out there looking like CuJo (Curtis Johnson).
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There is a 20% chance Ponds is back in a St John's uniform next year
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There is a 20% chance Ponds is back in a St John's uniform next year
So you're saying there's a chance. St Johns can finish in last with or without him
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Goodnight everybody. Who's up next again. Oh Nova that's right. We just played worst two teams in conference at home where in the world are these wins going to come from???
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Marco my brother it doesn't matter as long as Mullin is around who comes back. This will be a bad team till the cycle starts all over again or are you thinking Mikey Dixon will be the savior. Clark and Simon are both good players but far from great players. You need great players to compete in the best conference in all of college basketball
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You need great players to compete in the best conference in all of college basketball
Or, solid players and sound direction and coaching.
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Marco my brother it doesn't matter as long as Mullin is around who comes back. This will be a bad team till the cycle starts all over again or are you thinking Mikey Dixon will be the savior. Clark and Simon are both good players but far from great players. You need great players to compete in the best conference in all of college basketball
Clark and Simon were scraps from big time programs. Neither are big east starters, role players..I guess. Dixon is ok, but he's coming from a mid pack MAAC team. St Johns needs an Alpha. Or 6
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Marco my brother it doesn't matter as long as Mullin is around who comes back. This will be a bad team till the cycle starts all over again or are you thinking Mikey Dixon will be the savior. Clark and Simon are both good players but far from great players. You need great players to compete in the best conference in all of college basketball
Clark and Simon were scraps from big time programs. Neither are big east starters, role players..I guess. Dixon is ok, but he's coming from a mid pack MAAC team. St Johns needs an Alpha. Or 6
I think they could be starters in the conference, but I don't ever seeing either one being "go to guys" or stars. As, you stated.... role players. Although, I think they could be solid, role players.
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Marco my brother it doesn't matter as long as Mullin is around who comes back. This will be a bad team till the cycle starts all over again or are you thinking Mikey Dixon will be the savior. Clark and Simon are both good players but far from great players. You need great players to compete in the best conference in all of college basketball
Clark and Simon were scraps from big time programs. Neither are big east starters, role players..I guess. Dixon is ok, but he's coming from a mid pack MAAC team. St Johns needs an Alpha. Or 6
I think they could be starters in the conference, but I don't ever seeing either one being "go to guys" or stars. As, you stated.... role players. Although, I think they could be solid, role players.
Yup. Need a floor leader who can get them where they need to be and in a spot to be successful. Clark stands at the 3 point line like he is waiting for mail to be delivered. Simon is not a facilitator who can create for himself or the team. He needs to get the rock curling to the hoop.
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Mjdinkins I totally agree with the you. This team isn't even fun to watch because they are so poorly coached. For the first time in long time and this was when St John's was 10-2 I enjoy watching th Knicks much more because they are well coached and it is good basketball to observe with the eye even though the outcome doesn't always end the way I want it. It's not always about the wins and losses but when it is bad basketball toppled by losses to every good team you have played this year it is just tough to watch
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What we need is a real coach and staff. Guys who will put the time in in the offseason and know what the hell they are doing during the season. Over the past 7 years, because of lack of coaching, kids are not getting better as a team but to some degree individually. Every program needs some studs, but sju is not making the right moves on who should lead this program, so it won’t matter who comes.
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What we need is a real coach and staff. Guys who will put the time in in the offseason and know what the hell they are doing during the season. Over the past 7 years, because of lack of coaching, kids are not getting better as a team but to some degree individually. Every program needs some studs, but sju is not making the right moves on who should lead this program, so it won’t matter who comes.
No.
The team needs a full roster, and then coaching can be evaluated. Yes, team construction can be validly criticized, but the team got some really bad breaks on personnel.
Yes, there is some awful basketball being watched, but it's hard to evaluate with such a short-handed team. On the other hand, sometimes i see really pretty basketball being played. There is just such great volatility to the play on the floor. Sometimes really nice; sometimes god awful. The team has to learn to be consistent.
Another point: If a key player is not using his head, Coach K at Duke, will just bench that player to let that knucklehead 'think' about why he was making poor decisions. This year, who are the St. J's coaches going to substitute in for player not playing smart? There are no great options. The coaches are forced to give players way too much leash. It is what it is.
A gazillion times Ahmed and Ponds and others should have been benched for taking overly stupid shots, but the coaches can't bench them in game.
Coaches can only try to drill it them during practice to player smarter. I will argue, and I think rightly, that Ahmed is taking way better shots lately as com pared to the beginning of this season, and for certain way better than last year. Is it good enough? Not yet, but he's definitely better than last year. Ponds has completely regressed with shot selection.
Yes, it is easily arguable that free-flowing NBA type offense should be reigned in, b/c these are not NBA players. Sometimes it drives me nuts the shots that Ponds takes.... However, for me, personally, I don't throw a fit about that just yet - I'll just patiently wait for a full roster next year - and then start evaluating.
I probably have an overly simplistic view of the coaching - but I think I have a reasonable argument to not overly react to the play on the court because of the short-handed team.
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This was never supposed to be "our year". NIT was the ceiling before the season and then they started hot and got into Lunardi's bracketology and the view got skewed.
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True but the team was supposed to take that next step this year and they are regressing. 7 wins in the BE last year and they will be lucky to get 5 this year.
Why is it so hard for this program to find someone who knows how to coach in-game and develop players? It's now 7 or 8 years of this same shit under Lavin and now Mullin. Mind numbing.
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Okay so let's see
Players who quit under Mullin staff
Murderer Rysheed Jordan
Chris Obekpa
Fed Mussini
Marcus Lovett
Players who transferred out under Mullin staff
:2funny:
Williams
Ellison
Sima
I know I am forgetting a player or 2 but it is ridiculous. Players must know staff is lazy and they aren't getting better so time to head elsewhere. Gonna be real interesting to see what Ponds does at the end of this year. Sources tell me he is as good as gone
“Sources.” :2funny: :2funny:
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Marco my brother it doesn't matter as long as Mullin is around who comes back. This will be a bad team till the cycle starts all over again or are you thinking Mikey Dixon will be the savior. Clark and Simon are both good players but far from great players. You need great players to compete in the best conference in all of college basketball
Clark and Simon were scraps from big time programs. Neither are big east starters, role players..I guess. Dixon is ok, but he's coming from a mid pack MAAC team. St Johns needs an Alpha. Or 6
This is some profound stuff..I guess. :D
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Norm is only coach in last 20 years where the program actually improved while he was in control and the program was in good shape when he left. I would take Norm Roberts back this minute and just let him do his thing
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Thanks for posting, Norm.
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Norm is only coach in last 20 years where the program actually improved while he was in control and the program was in good shape when he left. I would take Norm Roberts back this minute and just let him do his thing
What planet are you from? Norm finished 6-12 in the conference his last two years. How the fvck is that progress? He had TEN juniors and a 5th year Mase Jr. and he lost 12 conference games. We haven't had 11 total players since let alone 11 upperclassmen.
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Somebody has to explain to me why lav was considered bad. Y’all made the tourney in 11 and 25. He was 92-72 and got 4 players into the nba. Fans gotta chill sometimes. Gotta give Mullins and staff a chance. Stop switching coaches all the time.
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Marco my brother it doesn't matter as long as Mullin is around who comes back. This will be a bad team till the cycle starts all over again or are you thinking Mikey Dixon will be the savior. Clark and Simon are both good players but far from great players. You need great players to compete in the best conference in all of college basketball
Clark and Simon were scraps from big time programs. Neither are big east starters, role players..I guess. Dixon is ok, but he's coming from a mid pack MAAC team. St Johns needs an Alpha. Or 6
This is some profound stuff..I guess. :D
You're very welcome
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Somebody has to explain to me why lav was considered bad. Y’all made the tourney in 11 and 25. He was 92-72 and got 4 players into the nba. Fans gotta chill sometimes. Gotta give Mullins and staff a chance. Stop switching coaches all the time.
Welcome back Kob!
The board is split on Lavin. It's obvious that he had a highly successful campaign here . Yet still for some "there are none so blind as those that will not see".
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This years recruiting class was a joke. 2 NBA stars on coaching staff where team plays at Madison Square Garden and you can't lure in one freaking recruit. Mullin was supposed to own the city with all his great connections and since they were able to con Ponds into coming they have gotten zero city kids. Bashir Ahmed is terrible. Can anyone please come up with a list of all the players that have left or quit under this staff. Loser Alibegovic wanted out so bad but this lazy staff had the magic powers to rerecruit and get that stud to stay. Every big player they have chased they have struck out on. Let's not forget about Zack Brown or this shady recruit coming that was supposed to go to USC. My prediction he never plays a minute in a St John's uniform,. Can someone please tell me how long we are going to have to deal with Mullin for because St John's made such a huge mistake hiring him. Anyone know how Ryaheed Jordan's trial is going??
HOLY AGENDA FILLED POST BATMAN
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Somebody has to explain to me why lav was considered bad. Y’all made the tourney in 11 and 25. He was 92-72 and got 4 players into the nba. Fans gotta chill sometimes. Gotta give Mullins and staff a chance. Stop switching coaches all the time.
Lavin was like your College girlfriend. Had some good times, got laid but you always thought there was something better out there for you. Then some of her annoying habits finally got to be too much and you dump her. Then when things start going poorly with the next girl you start missing the previous girl.
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There is a 20% chance Ponds is back in a St John's uniform next year
Don't see it, I think there is a 32% chance he is back in a SJU uniform next year.
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Somebody has to explain to me why lav was considered bad. Y’all made the tourney in 11 and 25. He was 92-72 and got 4 players into the nba. Fans gotta chill sometimes. Gotta give Mullins and staff a chance. Stop switching coaches all the time.
Mr kob. This is very generous assessment. Lavin made the tournament once in five years with his own players. He won a single post season game. Every time something went wrong it was someone else's fault, any tiny little thing that went right he credited to his own genius and when things could have gone either way he self sabotaged so he'd have an excuse if he failed. And those were his good points. His bad points include being a poor strategist and a lazy recruiter, and babbling like a gibbering idiot about ketchup and superheroes and incremental magic carpet rides up non existent mountains. Moreover, he suffers from histrionic personality disorder and an unresolved oedipal complex. He needs professional help.
I'd also take issue with his alleged sending of players to the NBA. Two of the players he allegedly sent played for him for a year. Kennedy was Norm's kid and Harkless - who fell into his lap - played 2011-2012, during which year according to Lavin's wikipedia page - which sounds like he wrote it himself, that's how biased it is - his record was 2-2 because he got sick. If he's going to slough the 17 losses off on Dunlap because he didn't coach I don't see e doesn't get credit for Harkless's success. Sampson was undrafted and worked his way into the league thereafter, not a lavin success story. Pointer stunk for three years - if you want to credit Lavin for his senior year fine, I don't, I think the light bulb just went on. He got drafted but never played in the NBA. So if you think about it good old coach lavs got more kids sent to prison than he did to the league.
What's up with Yakwe? He's a shell of his freshman self.
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Step 1: Stop pretending we are a Football team and graduating 10+ people at a time.
Step 2: Balance our the roster where there is depth and talent. This will help to avoid transfers, having to up grade talent in the same positions, and giving large amounts of playing time to underclassmen.
Step3: ...Just try to get passed step one and step two which has not been done in a decade...
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LOL didn't you say in another thread that Simon is going to be a stud next year....
quote author=Marco Baldi link=topic=10682.msg286344#msg286344 date=1515725929]
Marco my brother it doesn't matter as long as Mullin is around who comes back. This will be a bad team till the cycle starts all over again or are you thinking Mikey Dixon will be the savior. Clark and Simon are both good players but far from great players. You need great players to compete in the best conference in all of college basketball
Clark and Simon were scraps from big time programs. Neither are big east starters, role players..I guess. Dixon is ok, but he's coming from a mid pack MAAC team. St Johns needs an Alpha. Or 6
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LOL didn't you say in another thread that Simon is going to be a stud next year....
quote author=Marco Baldi link=topic=10682.msg286344#msg286344 date=1515725929]
Marco my brother it doesn't matter as long as Mullin is around who comes back. This will be a bad team till the cycle starts all over again or are you thinking Mikey Dixon will be the savior. Clark and Simon are both good players but far from great players. You need great players to compete in the best conference in all of college basketball
Clark and Simon were scraps from big time programs. Neither are big east starters, role players..I guess. Dixon is ok, but he's coming from a mid pack MAAC team. St Johns needs an Alpha. Or 6
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I think Simon is great. He plays defense, he rebounds, he can score a little. Whatever you want to call our offense does him no favors. He is not a shooter. He could be a very good player on a very good team today.
Clarke- I think he is ok- don’t think he is the lock down shooter others do (maybe I am wrong- but I think that percentage is going to start going down starting Saturday). Tough to get offensive rebounds 25 feet from the basket.
Both seem like good kids.
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Lol I hear you wasju and foad. Me personally I thought he was ok. I have no idea what’s up with kassoum. He is really a defensive player. He should be grabbing more boards and playing better defense. But he actually is actually a great complimentary player to another big.
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LOL didn't you say in another thread that Simon is going to be a stud next year....
quote author=Marco Baldi link=topic=10682.msg286344#msg286344 date=1515725929]
Marco my brother it doesn't matter as long as Mullin is around who comes back. This will be a bad team till the cycle starts all over again or are you thinking Mikey Dixon will be the savior. Clark and Simon are both good players but far from great players. You need great players to compete in the best conference in all of college basketball
Clark and Simon were scraps from big time programs. Neither are big east starters, role players..I guess. Dixon is ok, but he's coming from a mid pack MAAC team. St Johns needs an Alpha. Or 6
That opinion changed fast. Great 6th man flying in off the bench
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Lol I hear you wasju and foad. Me personally I thought he was ok. I have no idea what’s up with kassoum. He is really a defensive player. He should be grabbing more boards and playing better defense. But he actually is actually a great complimentary player to another big.
Justin hit you off with any of his portion of the Million he won? LOL
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Lol I hear you wasju and foad. Me personally I thought he was ok. I have no idea what’s up with kassoum. He is really a defensive player. He should be grabbing more boards and playing better defense. But he actually is actually a great complimentary player to another big.
Players don't get better when they have horrible coaching, no direction, and no discipline. The 3 hallmarks of the Mullin era.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
Worst fans in the world, any sport.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
Root for the Washington Generals you'll feel better.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
Worst fans in the world, any sport.
Serious question: Should SJU fans just be happy and not criticize anything despite having had nothing decent to root for in 15 years and when it appears we won't have anything decent to root for over the foreseeable future as well?
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
This way of thinking will keep us in last place forever.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
Worst fans in the world, any sport.
Serious question: Should SJU fans just be happy and not criticize anything despite having had nothing decent to root for in 15 years and when it appears we won't have anything decent to root for over the foreseeable future as well?
That is not true
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
Worst fans in the world, any sport.
Serious question: Should SJU fans just be happy and not criticize anything despite having had nothing decent to root for in 15 years and when it appears we won't have anything decent to root for over the foreseeable future as well?
That is not true
What's not true?
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
Worst fans in the world, any sport.
Serious question: Should SJU fans just be happy and not criticize anything despite having had nothing decent to root for in 15 years and when it appears we won't have anything decent to root for over the foreseeable future as well?
Criticize all you want. Keep having coaches fired and we will be terrible forever. ST John's is not hiring John Calipari or Rick Pitino to come in and turn things around in a year or two. Mullin has not done well so far. Grts another year or two before any of this talk should be occurring.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
Worst fans in the world, any sport.
Serious question: Should SJU fans just be happy and not criticize anything despite having had nothing decent to root for in 15 years and when it appears we won't have anything decent to root for over the foreseeable future as well?
Most fans are not happy when their teams lose and those who are unhappy are obviously free to criticize whatever they want whenever they want. With the caveat that some people are only happy when they have something to complain about. That said there is every reason to be unhappy with this years results (and lasts years and the year before that and that and that and that) and it certainly can be interesting to discuss the situation and what changes might be made to improve it. OTOH I personally find mindless witless whining boring and annoying. Neither would I call challenging Mullin to resign to prove his manhood criticism. I just think it's silly.
I wrote somewhere that I try to enjoy college basketball in the same way I enjoy my other hobbies, regardless of the results. That's not always easy or even possible, but in the main I do, even when they stink as they have much of my life. I don't understand why people spend their precious free time doing something that makes them miserable. If SJU BB made me as unhappy as it seems to make some posters here, I'd find another way to amuse myself. Until the chafing got too bad and then I'd probably watch some TV.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
This way of thinking will keep us in last place forever.
There is nothing that you can think that will have any effect on the direction of the basketball program. Unless you're Uri Geller or something.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
Worst fans in the world, any sport.
Serious question: Should SJU fans just be happy and not criticize anything despite having had nothing decent to root for in 15 years and when it appears we won't have anything decent to root for over the foreseeable future as well?
Criticize all you want. Keep having coaches fired and we will be terrible forever. ST John's is not hiring John Calipari or Rick Pitino to come in and turn things around in a year or two. Mullin has not done well so far. Grts another year or two before any of this talk should be occurring.
I agree. But we don't need a John Calipari or Rick Pitino to win. The problem is that people here are against hiring a young up and coming coach when in fact that is exactly what we need
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I agree. But we don't need a John Calipari or Rick Pitino to win. The problem is that people here are against hiring a young up and coming coach when in fact that is exactly what we need
Up and coming like Jarvis and Fran and Norm you mean? Or you mean kind of like them except they don't end up stinking.
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There is no magic formula. Again they are going to ride this out this year, in the off season maybe they make changes or maybe they don't, but either way assuming they can keep the roster intact and hold on to the recruiting class they are going to sell next year as the promised land. But that is the larger issue when you don't get things going much earlier it puts ENORMOUS pressure on you by year 4. And they will be staring at it next year.
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I agree. But we don't need a John Calipari or Rick Pitino to win. The problem is that people here are against hiring a young up and coming coach when in fact that is exactly what we need
Up and coming like Jarvis and Fran and Norm you mean? Or you mean kind of like them except they don't end up stinking.
Like all things, some of them work out and some don't. But Xavier and Butler have hired nothing but young hungry coaches over the past decade+ and I'd say it worked out great for them, wouldn't you?
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I agree. But we don't need a John Calipari or Rick Pitino to win. The problem is that people here are against hiring a young up and coming coach when in fact that is exactly what we need
Up and coming like Jarvis and Fran and Norm you mean? Or you mean kind of like them except they don't end up stinking.
Like all things, some of them work out and some don't. But Xavier and Butler have hired nothing but young hungry coaches over the past decade+ and I'd say it worked out great for them, wouldn't you?
I wasn't saying that it couldn't work out, just that it hasn't. Some up and comers succeed, some fail and are never heard from again. Some tired old retreads have success the second or third time around. Some stink forever. If there was a magic formula every program would have a great coach and they'd all have .500 records.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
+1
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
Root for the Washington Generals you'll feel better.
LOL he already is and he likes it.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
With numbers this small can we really call it a fan base?
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
Root for the Washington Generals you'll feel better.
LOL he already is and he likes it.
No one is happy. If you fire him the next guy is not going to come ion from scratch after losing some of if not all the guys coming in next year and turn things around. You are looking at our "bare cupboard" excuse again. Mullin gets next year and if we stink again something probably needs to be done.
Guess you weren't one of those NY Giants fans up in arms about Eli benching either? Stupid loyal fans.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
Root for the Washington Generals you'll feel better.
LOL he already is and he likes it.
No one is happy. If you fire him the next guy is not going to come ion from scratch after losing some of if not all the guys coming in next year and turn things around. You are looking at our "bare cupboard" excuse again. Mullin gets next year and if we stink again something probably needs to be done.
Guess you weren't one of those NY Giants fans up in arms about Eli benching either? Stupid loyal fans.
I have never said he should be fired. And I appreciate all the sobbing and hand holding for Eli as everybody misplaced their big boy pants for a while. No one is bigger than the team. Season was shot to hell, few games left, Giants with high draft pick with many highly rated QB prospects, let's get a look at Davis Webb to see what we have, Eli offered to continue to start but want to see Webb. Wah, wah, wah Eli cries and Giants fans cry so plan is scrapped. Nobody is bigger than the team but Giants allowed Eli to be bigger than the team.
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So if this ends poorly with Mullin getting booed and then fired. Then Louie distances himself in disgust. Does that now make Walter Berry the face of the program? I can get on board with that. But seriously this fan base sucks.
Yeah you're right we should all be ecstatic to have the great Chris Mullin, and shouldn't question him at all because he used to be a great player for us over 30 years ago. Let's keep racking up losses, losing players to transfers, putting Chris's buddies who are as clueless as him in assistant coaching positions and wasting our money on season tickets!
It's not the fanbase's fault that the administration is incompetent, and put an all time legend in this position to begin with, when he had no coaching experience, or track record whatsoever. I don't think the fan base sucks, I think it's a mostly smart and knowledgable fanbase who isn't blind to the fact that Mullin sucks as a coach, hasn't improved one bit in 3 years, and will never become better.
Exhibit A on fan base thing
Root for Duke, you will feel better.
Root for the Washington Generals you'll feel better.
LOL he already is and he likes it.
No one is happy. If you fire him the next guy is not going to come ion from scratch after losing some of if not all the guys coming in next year and turn things around. You are looking at our "bare cupboard" excuse again. Mullin gets next year and if we stink again something probably needs to be done.
Guess you weren't one of those NY Giants fans up in arms about Eli benching either? Stupid loyal fans.
I have never said he should be fired. And I appreciate all the sobbing and hand holding for Eli as everybody misplaced their big boy pants for a while. No one is bigger than the team. Season was shot to hell, few games left, Giants with high draft pick with many highly rated QB prospects, let's get a look at Davis Webb to see what we have, Eli offered to continue to start but want to see Webb. Wah, wah, wah Eli cries and Giants fans cry so plan is scrapped. Nobody is bigger than the team but Giants allowed Eli to be bigger than the team.
See I hate the Giants and outside of two great Super Bowl runs his career has been mediocre. But I get that people are loyal. Kind of a good quality I think. But since you are not one of those people I am guessing that you are 100% in favor of Lovett doing what is best for his career and family. Correct?
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2 changes coming
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Hopefully just to staff.
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2 changes coming
What a shock, another post that says nothing. You should be a fortune teller in Atlantic City
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2 changes coming
Dlo is transferring to Baylor
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2 changes coming
Dlo is transferring to Baylor
And Ponds is going to get suspended for accepting impermissible benefits. There's 2
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2 changes coming
If we wanted to hear from a baldi, we’d fart.
Mullin’s not going anywhere. Good post on the realistic state of things on another thread.
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And they are....
2 changes coming
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And they are....
The Magic Eight Baldi says "Reply hazy try again"
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And they are....
The Magic Eight Baldi says "Reply hazy try again"
Yes sir.
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Richmond
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Richmond
Shit post of 2016 asked for that . Now in 2018. Way to late. Mitch ritchmond is the problem? An assistant not working that hard is a problem, not the reason we are winless vs decent teams. Does Richmond have a contract for next year?
What happens to st. Jean? He just sits there accepting his demotion?
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That's one what's the second Richmond's replacement...
Richmond
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Mullin will be back, so hoping roster does not turn over too much, recruits arrive & perhaps a modest staff change leads to a very competive 18-19 season. If not, powers to be (whoever they are) will have to make a decion is my guess. In meantime, no sense firing Mullin from peanut gallery & suggesting successors.
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Mullin will be back, so hoping roster does not turn over too much, recruits arrive & perhaps a modest staff change leads to a very competive 18-19 season. If not, powers to be (whoever they are) will have to make a decion is my guess. In meantime, no sense firing Mullin from peanut gallery & suggesting successors.
Mullin deserves his chance. Easy fix, surround himself with qualified staff
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You can definitely criticize Mullin for the make up of the staff. Flawed, especially since Mullin came in w no experience. The Slice debacle didn’t help things. I’ve always argued Mullin and Richmond duplicated skills, Need complimenting skills. Ie xos, big man coach, etc. I’ve also argued since we only have 1 recruiter, Mullin needs to be more active in that dept.
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Mullin will be back, so hoping roster does not turn over too much, recruits arrive & perhaps a modest staff change leads to a very competive 18-19 season. If not, powers to be (whoever they are) will have to make a decion is my guess. In meantime, no sense firing Mullin from peanut gallery & suggesting successors.
Competitive ain't gonna cut it next year unless you mean being competitive with Villanova for tops in the conference...
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Mullin will be back, so hoping roster does not turn over too much, recruits arrive & perhaps a modest staff change leads to a very competive 18-19 season. If not, powers to be (whoever they are) will have to make a decion is my guess. In meantime, no sense firing Mullin from peanut gallery & suggesting successors.
Competitive ain't gonna cut it next year unless you mean being competitive with Villanova for tops in the conference...
You expect to go from losing to DePaul at home to competing with Nova?
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Mullin will be back, so hoping roster does not turn over too much, recruits arrive & perhaps a modest staff change leads to a very competive 18-19 season. If not, powers to be (whoever they are) will have to make a decion is my guess. In meantime, no sense firing Mullin from peanut gallery & suggesting successors.
Competitive ain't gonna cut it next year unless you mean being competitive with Villanova for tops in the conference...
You expect to go from losing to DePaul at home to competing with Nova?
No one does. That is why this makes no sense. Wasnt that long ago we competed with everyone except Villanova. Bar is set way to low.
Mike rice >>>> Richmond
Rice<<< ed Cooley - McDermott
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Mullin will be back, so hoping roster does not turn over too much, recruits arrive & perhaps a modest staff change leads to a very competive 18-19 season. If not, powers to be (whoever they are) will have to make a decion is my guess. In meantime, no sense firing Mullin from peanut gallery & suggesting successors.
Competitive ain't gonna cut it next year unless you mean being competitive with Villanova for tops in the conference...
Could any coach, alive or dead, have us competing for a Big East title next year?
No.
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While on the topic of coaching, TCU just came on and Jamie Dixon is a ridiculously good coach. Has a school like TCU which has no hoops history, awful right before he arrives and turns them into a top 20 team in 2 years. Now that's coaching. For those of you that think all coaches are created equally and get better with time.
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Mullin will be back, so hoping roster does not turn over too much, recruits arrive & perhaps a modest staff change leads to a very competive 18-19 season. If not, powers to be (whoever they are) will have to make a decion is my guess. In meantime, no sense firing Mullin from peanut gallery & suggesting successors.
Competitive ain't gonna cut it next year unless you mean being competitive with Villanova for tops in the conference...
You expect to go from losing to DePaul at home to competing with Nova?
What? Don't respond to my posts again...
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Mullin will be back, so hoping roster does not turn over too much, recruits arrive & perhaps a modest staff change leads to a very competive 18-19 season. If not, powers to be (whoever they are) will have to make a decion is my guess. In meantime, no sense firing Mullin from peanut gallery & suggesting successors.
Competitive ain't gonna cut it next year unless you mean being competitive with Villanova for tops in the conference...
You expect to go from losing to DePaul at home to competing with Nova?
What? Don't respond to my posts again...
Thought you weren't watching anymore this year? Wah
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Lol I hear you wasju and foad. Me personally I thought he was ok. I have no idea what’s up with kassoum. He is really a defensive player. He should be grabbing more boards and playing better defense. But he actually is actually a great complimentary player to another big.
Players don't get better when they have horrible coaching, no direction, and no discipline. The 3 hallmarks of the Mullin era.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3149059/tariq-owens
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3147688/marvin-clark-ii
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3907524/justin-simon
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Mullin will be back, so hoping roster does not turn over too much, recruits arrive & perhaps a modest staff change leads to a very competive 18-19 season. If not, powers to be (whoever they are) will have to make a decion is my guess. In meantime, no sense firing Mullin from peanut gallery & suggesting successors.
Competitive ain't gonna cut it next year unless you mean being competitive with Villanova for tops in the conference...
Contending for BE title
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While on the topic of coaching, TCU just came on and Jamie Dixon is a ridiculously good coach. Has a school like TCU which has no hoops history, awful right before he arrives and turns them into a top 20 team in 2 years. Now that's coaching. For those of you that think all coaches are created equally and get better with time.
What happened to PITT? They were so good. Must be bad luck or something to do with cupards
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While on the topic of coaching, TCU just came on and Jamie Dixon is a ridiculously good coach. Has a school like TCU which has no hoops history, awful right before he arrives and turns them into a top 20 team in 2 years. Now that's coaching. For those of you that think all coaches are created equally and get better with time.
What happened to PITT? They were so good. Must be bad luck or something to do with cupards
Yeah their recruiting definitely took a hit and Stallings, while a solid coach, is no Dixon.
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While on the topic of coaching, TCU just came on and Jamie Dixon is a ridiculously good coach. Has a school like TCU which has no hoops history, awful right before he arrives and turns them into a top 20 team in 2 years. Now that's coaching. For those of you that think all coaches are created equally and get better with time.
What happened to PITT? They were so good. Must be bad luck or something to do with cupards
Stallings isn't willing to pay to play. That's what
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Mullin will be back, so hoping roster does not turn over too much, recruits arrive & perhaps a modest staff change leads to a very competive 18-19 season. If not, powers to be (whoever they are) will have to make a decion is my guess. In meantime, no sense firing Mullin from peanut gallery & suggesting successors.
Competitive ain't gonna cut it next year unless you mean being competitive with Villanova for tops in the conference...
You expect to go from losing to DePaul at home to competing with Nova?
No one expects that, but if St.John’s is nothing if not unpredictable. They were right there with Arizona State, Seton Hall and Creighton. The only chance St.John’s is if everyone on the team has their best game of the season, and even then it’s unlikeky. The odds are horrible.
However, St.John’s has gone from really bad losses to stunning wins before. One game is just that. Anything can happen.
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Yakwe took a 3 pointer against Georgetown. Let that settle in on why this program is at bottom of barrel in Mullins 3rd year. Doesn’t matter, 5 guys or 10, that’s where we are at in year 3 of Mullins regime and why with this staff, he won’t compete for 5th place, never alone first.
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Yakwe took a 3 pointer against Georgetown. Let that settle in on why this program is at bottom of barrel in Mullins 3rd year. Doesn’t matter, 5 guys or 10, that’s where we are at in year 3 of Mullins regime and why with this staff, he won’t compete for 5th place, never alone first.
It’s cupards. We are the best defensive team in the conference. What more do you guys want?
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While on the topic of coaching, TCU just came on and Jamie Dixon is a ridiculously good coach. Has a school like TCU which has no hoops history, awful right before he arrives and turns them into a top 20 team in 2 years. Now that's coaching. For those of you that think all coaches are created equally and get better with time.
Excellent point. Dixon is a four time national coach of the year and the 12th winningest active coach in division one. Everyone expected him to fail at TCU except you. Congratulations for recognizing that he's a good coach when it escaped everyone else's notice.
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It’s cupards.
No, it's cupboards.
I know a little cupboard,
With a teeny tiny key,
And there's a jar of Lollypops
For me, me, me.
It has a little shelf, my dear,
As dark, as dark can be,
And there's a dish of Banbury Cakes
For me, me, me.
I have a small fat grandmamma,
With a very slippery knees,
And she's Keeper of the Cupboard,
With the key, key, key.
And when I'm very good, my dear,
As good as good can be,
There's Banbury Cakes, and Lollypops
For me, me, me.
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Whether Danny Hurley was interested or not. Whether the school would have paid he what he would have wanted or not. Danny Hurley was not a slam dunk. At the time I think as did a great number of you as well that hiring Chris Mullin was a gamble worth taking. So far it has gone well off the tracks. But I find it really hilarious that the same mooks whining about Marcus Lovett's "disloyalty" want Chris freaking Mullin fired after two and a half years. Talk to me after next year.... maybe . Still won't match number of years given to Norm Roberts.
+1
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Competing for BE title? When were we doing that? Year after elite 8. If we win 19 and 20 and on bubble job well done
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Mullin will be back, so hoping roster does not turn over too much, recruits arrive & perhaps a modest staff change leads to a very competive 18-19 season. If not, powers to be (whoever they are) will have to make a decion is my guess. In meantime, no sense firing Mullin from peanut gallery & suggesting successors.
Competitive ain't gonna cut it next year unless you mean being competitive with Villanova for tops in the conference...
Could any coach, alive or dead, have us competing for a Big East title next year?
No.
Next year? Yes. This year, we can't even bounce the basketball, so no.
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It’s cupards.
No, it's cupboards.
I know a little cupboard,
With a teeny tiny key,
And there's a jar of Lollypops
For me, me, me.
It has a little shelf, my dear,
As dark, as dark can be,
And there's a dish of Banbury Cakes
For me, me, me.
I have a small fat grandmamma,
With a very slippery knees,
And she's Keeper of the Cupboard,
With the key, key, key.
And when I'm very good, my dear,
As good as good can be,
There's Banbury Cakes, and Lollypops
For me, me, me.
Same shit. Only losers make excuses. Cupards is just as ridiculous as cupboards
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It’s cupards.
No, it's cupboards.
I know a little cupboard,
With a teeny tiny key,
And there's a jar of Lollypops
For me, me, me.
It has a little shelf, my dear,
As dark, as dark can be,
And there's a dish of Banbury Cakes
For me, me, me.
I have a small fat grandmamma,
With a very slippery knees,
And she's Keeper of the Cupboard,
With the key, key, key.
And when I'm very good, my dear,
As good as good can be,
There's Banbury Cakes, and Lollypops
For me, me, me.
Same shit. Only losers make excuses. How is that 16th RPI ?
I didn't make an excuse, I merely pointed out that you're poorly educated even for a public school teacher and then being the helpful sort used the word you didn't know in a sentence for context, you know, like a spelling bee.
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It’s cupards.
No, it's cupboards.
I know a little cupboard,
With a teeny tiny key,
And there's a jar of Lollypops
For me, me, me.
It has a little shelf, my dear,
As dark, as dark can be,
And there's a dish of Banbury Cakes
For me, me, me.
I have a small fat grandmamma,
With a very slippery knees,
And she's Keeper of the Cupboard,
With the key, key, key.
And when I'm very good, my dear,
As good as good can be,
There's Banbury Cakes, and Lollypops
For me, me, me.
Same shit. Only losers make excuses. How is that 16th RPI ?
I didn't make an excuse, I merely pointed out that you're poorly educated even for a public school teacher and then being the helpful sort used the word you didn't know in a sentence for context, you know, like a spelling bee.
This is a Basketball site. You dont discuss Basketball. You like to call names like a tough guy. I have been right or write the entire time. How is coach Mullin or Mullins doing? So you can reference cupards cupboards or any other stupid thing on wilkapedia or Wikipedia? The spelling isn’t important to me . It makes me lazy. Not stupid. Typing on phone in the toilet is not exactly the same as typing in your foad room.
Posting ridiculous stats without context or sample size makes you stupid. I used to think that. Now I think you know little about Sports . U or you may really believe some of the non sense you post you believe you are the foad.
If we needed a coach? Why would not go after Jamie Dixon or someone like him? Similar money. Why should we keep coach Mullins ? (I did it again) do you have stats to back up your argument? I have some stats and it has nothing to do with cupards!
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Competing for BE title? When were we doing that? Year after elite 8. If we win 19 and 20 and on bubble job well done
Competing for BE title? When were we doing that? Year after elite 8. If we win 19 and 20 and on bubble job well done
You guys are totally missing the point. You have to look at this overall. Go back to 2015 and the hire. You just fired Lavin. Ask yourself this, if I would have told you that after the 4th year of the new hire you may have a season good enough to match the last season Lavin had I think most people would've thought that hire would be a joke. No way it should take that long to be decent let alone good.
If you are saying that we need to re-calibrate our expectations AT THIS POINT because we Year 3 is a disaster than fine. But that is not my position.
Think of it this way. After Norm's 5th year when they went 6-12 and missed the NIT I would say his 6th year is a must NCAA year.
You could argue that, "Hey Fordham at this point a realistic move would be the NIT for 09-10." And guess what that argument could be reasonable. But that's not the point you can't use his failures as a basis for his expectations. It doesn't work. You are basing the new expectations on his step back this year, well he has to pay a price on this step back. The price is he needs to now take a HUGE step next year.
How he does it is his problem not mine. How was Norm Roberts supposed to make the NCAA'S in year 6 without making anything up to that point? I don't know. His priblem not mine. But when he didn't he lost his job...
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While on the topic of coaching, TCU just came on and Jamie Dixon is a ridiculously good coach. Has a school like TCU which has no hoops history, awful right before he arrives and turns them into a top 20 team in 2 years. Now that's coaching. For those of you that think all coaches are created equally and get better with time.
Excellent point. Dixon is a four time national coach of the year and the 12th winningest active coach in division one. Everyone expected him to fail at TCU except you. Congratulations for recognizing that he's a good coach when it escaped everyone else's notice.
I see that you've been making stuff up lately in place of factual comments. Try 2 time national coach of the year in '09 and '11. The Jim Phelan award that he won in '10 I don't count as any award that names Tim Miles the national coach of the year with a 19-13 record can hardly be taken seriously. Even with that award, he would be a 3 time winner, not 4 as you said. So you exaggerated on Dixon's achievements. Furthermore, TCU was a shit program and he turned them into a top 20 team in under 2 years. You act like everyone predicted Dixon would turn them into a national contender in short order which couldn't be further from the truth. In fact it was a pretty big surprise in the college hoops world when he left a well established Pitt hoops program for unaccomplished, inexperienced TCU. Stop acting like you knew he would turn them around so quickly because you didn't.
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Competing for BE title? When were we doing that? Year after elite 8. If we win 19 and 20 and on bubble job well done
Competing for BE title? When were we doing that? Year after elite 8. If we win 19 and 20 and on bubble job well done
You guys are totally missing the point. You have to look at this overall. Go back to 2015 and the hire. You just fired Lavin. Ask yourself this, if I would have told you that after the 4th year of the new hire you may have a season good enough to match the last season Lavin had I think most people would've thought that hire would be a joke. No way it should take that long to be decent let alone good.
If you are saying that we need to re-calibrate our expectations AT THIS POINT because we Year 3 is a disaster than fine. But that is not my position.
Think of it this way. After Norm's 5th year when they went 6-12 and missed the NIT I would say his 6th year is a must NCAA year.
You could argue that, "Hey Fordham at this point a realistic move would be the NIT for 09-10." And guess what that argument could be reasonable. But that's not the point you can't use his failures as a basis for his expectations. It doesn't work. You are basing the new expectations on his step back this year, well he has to pay a price on this step back. The price is he needs to now take a HUGE step next year.
How he does it is his problem not mine. How was Norm Roberts supposed to make the NCAA'S in year 6 without making anything up to that point? I don't know. His priblem not mine. But when he didn't he lost his job...
If he wasn't Chris Mullin I would probably agree if no NCAA next year need to go in another direction. If I thought program would or could hire a decent replacement I would agree if no NCAA we should go in another direction. If we do wind up replacing Mullin school needs to hire a solid game coach from mid major who will recruit to fit his system which would hopefully be with dependency on the 3 point shot. It is 2018 and that is what everyone does. Get a solid coach and give him time to build the program to where we are solid every year with no roster shortages and prolonged down times. I think this could be done. No more flashy but risky hires.
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I see that you've been making stuff up lately in place of factual comments. Try 2 time national coach of the year in '09 and '11. The Jim Phelan award that he won in '10 I don't count as any award that names Tim Miles the national coach of the year with a 19-13 record can hardly be taken seriously. Even with that award, he would be a 3 time winner, not 4 as you said. So you exaggerated on Dixon's achievements.
What I did was quote Dixon's bio from TCU's website:
"Dixon, a 2007 TCU Hall of Fame Inductee, returned to his alma mater on March 22, 2016, after serving 13 seasons as head coach at the University of Pittsburgh. Dixon, who has earned four college basketball National Coach of the Year honors, including the 2009 Naismith Coach of the Year, previously served as an assistant at Pitt, Northern Arizona, Hawaii and UC Santa Barbara. He enters the 2017-18 season ranked No. 12 among winningest active Division I coaches with a winning percentage of .718."
http://www.gofrogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/jamie_dixon_1009510.html
Argue with them, I'm not their fact checker.
Apology accepted.
Furthermore, TCU was a shit program and he turned them into a top 20 team in under 2 years. You act like everyone predicted Dixon would turn them into a national contender in short order which couldn't be further from the truth. In fact it was a pretty big surprise in the college hoops world when he left a well established Pitt hoops program for unaccomplished, inexperienced TCU. Stop acting like you knew he would turn them around so quickly because you didn't.
I'm not acting like anything. I didn't know that Dixon was coaching anywhere or that TCU even had a basketball team. What I was reacting to was your strawman: "For those of you that think all coaches are created equally and get better with time." No one has ever said that and no one believes it. Neither am I surprised that a four time national coach of the year is a good coach. I don't recall him being named as a possible successor to Lavin. I'm sure that had he been hired everyone would have been pretty happy.
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I see that you've been making stuff up lately in place of factual comments. Try 2 time national coach of the year in '09 and '11. The Jim Phelan award that he won in '10 I don't count as any award that names Tim Miles the national coach of the year with a 19-13 record can hardly be taken seriously. Even with that award, he would be a 3 time winner, not 4 as you said. So you exaggerated on Dixon's achievements.
What I did was quote Dixon's bio from TCU's website:
"Dixon, a 2007 TCU Hall of Fame Inductee, returned to his alma mater on March 22, 2016, after serving 13 seasons as head coach at the University of Pittsburgh. Dixon, who has earned four college basketball National Coach of the Year honors, including the 2009 Naismith Coach of the Year, previously served as an assistant at Pitt, Northern Arizona, Hawaii and UC Santa Barbara. He enters the 2017-18 season ranked No. 12 among winningest active Division I coaches with a winning percentage of .718."
http://www.gofrogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/jamie_dixon_1009510.html
Argue with them, I'm not their fact checker.
Apology accepted.
Furthermore, TCU was a shit program and he turned them into a top 20 team in under 2 years. You act like everyone predicted Dixon would turn them into a national contender in short order which couldn't be further from the truth. In fact it was a pretty big surprise in the college hoops world when he left a well established Pitt hoops program for unaccomplished, inexperienced TCU. Stop acting like you knew he would turn them around so quickly because you didn't.
I'm not acting like anything. I didn't know that Dixon was coaching anywhere or that TCU even had a basketball team. What I was reacting to was your strawman: "For those of you that think all coaches are created equally and get better with time." No one has ever said that and no one believes it. Neither am I surprised that a four time national coach of the year is a good coach. I don't recall him being named as a possible successor to Lavin. I'm sure that had he been hired everyone would have been pretty happy.
His bio isn't wrong. However your interpretation of his bio was wrong. Like I said, he was never, ever a 4 time national coach of the year. As his bio states "earned 4 national college coach of the year" awards. That is different than what you said "4 time national coach of the year". You do realize that 4 time national coach of the year means that he won the award in 4 different seasons. Factually incorrect. He was a 3 time national coach of the year and just happened to win coach of the year from two different sources in the SAME year.
So he was never a 4 time national coach of the year like I said. Maybe next time you should comprehend what you're reading before interpeting it as fact. I accept your apology.
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Typing on phone in the toilet is not exactly the same as typing in your foad room.
Pics or it didn't happen
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I see that you've been making stuff up lately in place of factual comments. Try 2 time national coach of the year in '09 and '11. The Jim Phelan award that he won in '10 I don't count as any award that names Tim Miles the national coach of the year with a 19-13 record can hardly be taken seriously. Even with that award, he would be a 3 time winner, not 4 as you said. So you exaggerated on Dixon's achievements.
What I did was quote Dixon's bio from TCU's website:
"Dixon, a 2007 TCU Hall of Fame Inductee, returned to his alma mater on March 22, 2016, after serving 13 seasons as head coach at the University of Pittsburgh. Dixon, who has earned four college basketball National Coach of the Year honors, including the 2009 Naismith Coach of the Year, previously served as an assistant at Pitt, Northern Arizona, Hawaii and UC Santa Barbara. He enters the 2017-18 season ranked No. 12 among winningest active Division I coaches with a winning percentage of .718."
http://www.gofrogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/jamie_dixon_1009510.html
Argue with them, I'm not their fact checker.
Apology accepted.
Furthermore, TCU was a shit program and he turned them into a top 20 team in under 2 years. You act like everyone predicted Dixon would turn them into a national contender in short order which couldn't be further from the truth. In fact it was a pretty big surprise in the college hoops world when he left a well established Pitt hoops program for unaccomplished, inexperienced TCU. Stop acting like you knew he would turn them around so quickly because you didn't.
I'm not acting like anything. I didn't know that Dixon was coaching anywhere or that TCU even had a basketball team. What I was reacting to was your strawman: "For those of you that think all coaches are created equally and get better with time." No one has ever said that and no one believes it. Neither am I surprised that a four time national coach of the year is a good coach. I don't recall him being named as a possible successor to Lavin. I'm sure that had he been hired everyone would have been pretty happy.
His bio isn't wrong. However your interpretation of his bio was wrong. Like I said, he was never, ever a 4 time national coach of the year. As his bio states "earned 4 national college coach of the year" awards. That is different than what you said "4 time national coach of the year". You do realize that 4 time national coach of the year means that he won the award in 4 different seasons. Factually incorrect. He was a 3 time national coach of the year and just happened to win coach of the year from two different sources in the SAME year.
So he was never a 4 time national coach of the year like I said. Maybe next time you should comprehend what you're reading before interpeting it as fact. I accept your apology.
Zzzz. They said " Dixon ... has earned four college basketball National Coach of the Year honors." I said "Dixon is a four time national coach of the year." It's exactly the same thing.
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Matt Abdelmassih
@mabde33
2h
2 hours ago
Never a consolation prize to have moral victories. Nobody in our program feels good. Nothing worthwhile is ever easily achieved. We will stick with each other, stay committed to knowing we are close & must earn the right to win. I know better days are ahead #sjubb
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Brian Mahoney was 24-30 his first 3 seasons in conference.
Fran was 21-15 in his only 2 years.
Jarvis was 34-16 his first 3 years.
Norm was 14-34.
Lavin, including the year he missed with cancer, was 26-28 thru his first 3 years.
Mullin is 8-34 currently, which puts him on a path to easily have the worst 3 year start in the post Carnesecca era, wrt to conference record.
Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
I will say this, all of those previous coaches were eventually fired. And all except for Fran were fired for performance.
And Mullin is off to a WORSE start than all of them. If you were like me hoping that Mullin would instill some confidence that this regime would yield a different result that stat is hard to overlook And obviously does not bode well.
And I standby what I said earlier, you don't get credit next year for simply improving in year 4 from year 3 when year 3 was a disaster of your making. Better do better than just improving. Improving is for years 2 and 3.
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
It's not completely useless. Disagree. Hard to argue it is worse than Norm considering the NCAA sanctions making it nearly impossible to recruit. And Norm improved every year, 2-14, 5-11 to 7-9.
But take your pick with the ones who enjoyed early success they would have a dip. But there was still success. None of them went from awful, to mediocre immediately back to awful....
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
Correct - just like Norm was dealt a really bad hand too... There are legitimate criticisms to be made of current coaching or player construction, however, this season is really hard to evaluate coaching. The team is too short handed. Frankly, the coaching can't be properly evaluated until the coach has two seasons of a properly constructed team. The first team for Mullin, with a proper squad, will be next year.
We all wished it would be this year. It didn't happen. Too bad. There is no use crying over it at this point. It's completely wasted energy.
That being said, the staff must stay on at least two more full seasons, with a full team, to be evaluated.
Just root for a full team next year and the following year.
Mullin might be the worst coach in basketball...i doubt it because he's a winner, but we won't know until two seasons from now.
If Mullin leaves this year, then I guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so the majority, if not all the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
I'm definitely repeating myself in this post, from other posts, but since other maniac posters just repeat themselves all day long, then I'll feel free to do it when i like to as well. :)
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
Correct - just like Norm was dealt a really bad hand too... There are legitimate criticisms to be made of current coaching or player construction, however, this season is really hard to evaluate coaching. The team is too short handed. Frankly, the coaching can't be properly evaluated until the coach has two seasons of a proper constructed team. That first team with a proper squad will be next year.
We all wished it would be this year. It didn't happen. Too bad. There is no use crying over it at this point. It's completely wasted energy.
That being said, the staff must at least two more full seasons, with a full team, to be evaluated.
Just root for a full team next year and the following year.
Mullin might be the worst coach in basketball...i doubt it because he's a winner, but we won't know until two seasons from now.
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
I'm definitely repeating myself in this post, from other posts, but since other maniac posters just repeat themselves all day long, then I'll feel free to do it when i like to as well. :)
I am not asking him to leave. And you are making my point. I agree Norm took over a disaster in a better conference and his 3 year record is better than CM's...think about that...Norm ultimately did nothing....And Chris is behind his pace...
My larger point is no more benefit of the doubt. He picked this roster, he whiffed in numerous kids and went thru the Slice drama. He wants a pass for this disaster he has it.
But next year better be a quantum leap considering the leap backwards this year.
And if I had a nickel for every time I heard a coaching change will set us back another 3 years I would be rich...
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
Wait, what??? This year has been brutal and I'm not one pushing for Mullin to be ousted, but your comment makes no sense. Can it possibly be much worse than it is now? Why would it take a new regime 5-8 years to get to what level --- winless in BE play? I think that level of futility can be achieved much quicker....
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
Wait, what??? This year has been brutal and I'm not one pushing for Mullin to be ousted, but your comment makes no sense. Can it possibly be much worse than it is now? Why would it take a new regime 5-8 years to get to what level --- winless in BE play? I think that level of futility can be achieved much quicker....
Precisely, that argument itself is stupid.
Do people understand right now he is 8-34 in BE play...0-6 this year and 0-4 at home. They lost to the projected 2 worst teams at home...
And you are worried about being set back, from that....
He's getting a 4th year but please make a better argument..
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
Correct - just like Norm was dealt a really bad hand too... There are legitimate criticisms to be made of current coaching or player construction, however, this season is really hard to evaluate coaching. The team is too short handed. Frankly, the coaching can't be properly evaluated until the coach has two seasons of a proper constructed team. That first team with a proper squad will be next year.
We all wished it would be this year. It didn't happen. Too bad. There is no use crying over it at this point. It's completely wasted energy.
That being said, the staff must at least two more full seasons, with a full team, to be evaluated.
Just root for a full team next year and the following year.
Mullin might be the worst coach in basketball...i doubt it because he's a winner, but we won't know until two seasons from now.
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
I'm definitely repeating myself in this post, from other posts, but since other maniac posters just repeat themselves all day long, then I'll feel free to do it when i like to as well. :)
I am not asking him to leave. And you are making my point. I agree Norm took over a disaster in a better conference and his 3 year record is better than CM's...think about that...Norm ultimately did nothing....And Chris is behind his pace...
My larger point is no more benefit of the doubt. He picked this roster, he whiffed in numerous kids and went thru the Slice drama. He grants a pass for this disaster he has it.
But next year better be a quantum leap considering the leap backwards this tear.
And if I had a nickel for every time I heard a coaching change will set us back another 3 years U would be rich...
We are very close in our thinking. I'm not really arguing against you. Yes, the regression this year has to be taken into consideration.
But I will posit that that next year, with a full team, and the year following will be much more telling / important than evaluating this year.
It's analogous to a finance guy incorrectly worrying over sunk costs... this year is a 'sunk cost', this year is done, caput - so there is no reason to sweat it anymore.
One basically has to look at this, like any other financial decision - as a present value of future cash flows.. If you think that rolling the dice on a brand new coach, losing ALL the recruits next season, and gambling they be a better team way off in the future - has a higher present value than Mullin would generate with the expected full roster for the next few years... then by all means go ahead and make a change. However, I think any sound financier wouldn't make that bet. The better expected value would be to bet on Mullin the next couple of years.
This is really a financial decision for the school. I would argue, that the best way to look at this is from a 'discounted cash flow' perspective - it's a simple just but a present value of the expected returns...
What's the best expected return? I say bet on full roster the next couple of years brings the best 'expected value'.
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
Wait, what??? This year has been brutal and I'm not one pushing for Mullin to be ousted, but your comment makes no sense. Can it possibly be much worse than it is now? Why would it take a new regime 5-8 years to get to what level --- winless in BE play? I think that level of futility can be achieved much quicker....
Because making a regime change would guarantee the gutter...at last with keeping the coaching staff, and returning players you have the 'optionality' of the upside of a full roster. It's that simple.
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
Wait, what??? This year has been brutal and I'm not one pushing for Mullin to be ousted, but your comment makes no sense. Can it possibly be much worse than it is now? Why would it take a new regime 5-8 years to get to what level --- winless in BE play? I think that level of futility can be achieved much quicker....
Precisely, that argument itself is stupid.
Do people understand right now he is 8-34 in BE play...0-6 this year and 0-4 at home. They lost to the projected 2 worst teams at home...
And you are worried about being set back, from that....
He's getting a 4th year but please make a better argument..
Please read my posts above. You guys are arguing about the past / sunk costs.
While it may makes sense in our hearts to grip over this season, it doesn't really benefit us.
The best way to evaluate is the expected value of the future returns.
I guarantee you a smart AD thinks of these decisions in this manner.
It would be foolish to demolish the team and gamble on another coach.
Or more simply: We already stink this year, and we've stunk for the better part of 25 years. What's the big deal if we stink for two more with Mullin if he's really that bad? ... Or is it smarter to get a full roster, and then evaluate? If the teams stinks two years from now - by all means, organize a graceful exit. I would argue the latter - just see what happens with a full team.
Yes, the team is 0 and whatever in the big east. But this team took #1 Nova and AZ St. close.... I think it's the smarest use of funds to continue with the current course - and then evaluate later, after they have a full team.
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
Wait, what??? This year has been brutal and I'm not one pushing for Mullin to be ousted, but your comment makes no sense. Can it possibly be much worse than it is now? Why would it take a new regime 5-8 years to get to what level --- winless in BE play? I think that level of futility can be achieved much quicker....
Because making a regime change would guarantee the gutter...at last with keeping the coaching staff, and returning players you have the 'optionality' of the upside of a full roster. It's that simple.
That's not totally true.
Like anything else it all depends on who you hire.
And lastly the roster has had serious turnover every year and don't expect it to be different even with him coming back...
All I know is when you don't win early it makes it that much harder to win when you are almost forced too..the pressure becomes so enormous...
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
Or he comes back we win 20 lose the 8 / 9 game and it is Glory Years around here.
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
Wait, what??? This year has been brutal and I'm not one pushing for Mullin to be ousted, but your comment makes no sense. Can it possibly be much worse than it is now? Why would it take a new regime 5-8 years to get to what level --- winless in BE play? I think that level of futility can be achieved much quicker....
Precisely, that argument itself is stupid.
Do people understand right now he is 8-34 in BE play...0-6 this year and 0-4 at home. They lost to the projected 2 worst teams at home...
And you are worried about being set back, from that....
He's getting a 4th year but please make a better argument..
Please read my posts above. You guys are arguing about the past / sunk costs.
While it may makes sense in our hearts to grip over this season, it doesn't really benefit us.
The best way to evaluate is the expected value of the future returns.
I guarantee you a smart AD thinks of these decisions in this manner.
It would be foolish to demolish the team and gamble on another coach.
Or more simply: We already stink this year, and we've stunk for the better part of 25 years. What's the big deal if we stink for two more with Mullin if he's really that bad? ... Or is it smarter to get a full roster, and then evaluate? If the teams stinks two years from now - by all means, organize a graceful exit. I would argue the latter - just see what happens with a full team.
Yes, the team is 0 and whatever in the big east. But this team took #1 Nova and AZ St. close.... I think it's the smarest use of funds to continue with the current course - and then evaluate later, after they have a full team.
That is a weak argument and that doesn't explain why they fired a coach who just took them to the NCAA's if the don't care about sucking for a few years.
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
No. Why be such an absolutist? Why can you just acknowledge this season is toast, relax about it... it's like crying over split milk at this point.... just evaluate the coaching when he's had a full season or two. I would argue for next two seasons.
I get it, one could argue the team should have had more depth this year...but guess what it didn't. We all deal with disappointment, or not meeting expectations at work, or in life, etc....so it didn't happen this year. big deal. Just see what happens with a full roster the next two season.
It's all about the next two years with a full roster.
Do you not acknowledge the team would have performed better, if the coaches had more players? I think it would be preposterous to argue that the performance wouldn't have been better.
Maybe Mullin stinks. I don't know. None of us know - because the team so short handed.
We just have sing that same old song.. wait until next year.
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
keep beating the Lavin drum tony. The same one that quit recruiting totally last 2 seasons. Im not happy about this but im ready to give mullin the same we gave lavin. Staff changes will and need to be made. I think they turn it around next season.
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
Which roster in the BE do you believe has less talent than we do?
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
Wait, what??? This year has been brutal and I'm not one pushing for Mullin to be ousted, but your comment makes no sense. Can it possibly be much worse than it is now? Why would it take a new regime 5-8 years to get to what level --- winless in BE play? I think that level of futility can be achieved much quicker....
Precisely, that argument itself is stupid.
Do people understand right now he is 8-34 in BE play...0-6 this year and 0-4 at home. They lost to the projected 2 worst teams at home...
And you are worried about being set back, from that....
He's getting a 4th year but please make a better argument..
Please read my posts above. You guys are arguing about the past / sunk costs.
While it may makes sense in our hearts to grip over this season, it doesn't really benefit us.
The best way to evaluate is the expected value of the future returns.
I guarantee you a smart AD thinks of these decisions in this manner.
It would be foolish to demolish the team and gamble on another coach.
Or more simply: We already stink this year, and we've stunk for the better part of 25 years. What's the big deal if we stink for two more with Mullin if he's really that bad? ... Or is it smarter to get a full roster, and then evaluate? If the teams stinks two years from now - by all means, organize a graceful exit. I would argue the latter - just see what happens with a full team.
Yes, the team is 0 and whatever in the big east. But this team took #1 Nova and AZ St. close.... I think it's the smarest use of funds to continue with the current course - and then evaluate later, after they have a full team.
That is a weak argument and that doesn't explain why they fired a coach who just took them to the NCAA's if the don't care about sucking for a few years.
It's not a weak argument. We weren't discussing Lavin, that's why I haven't brought up Lavin.
I would argue that Lavin was given more time - and had a closer to a full team to evaluate his coaching...and the school decided either he wasn't recruiting well enough, or he sucked at coaching, or both..or he recruited sketchy kids.
Clearly they made the decision.. I thinking making a decision would be the wrong bet, would waste further resources. The best potential for positive returns would be to see how the next 24 months go. You have optionality to the upside...don't you guys see that?
Maybe Mullin is worst ever. We don't know. No one knows. I'm just saying can't evaluate it until Mullin has been given a full roster.
Every coaching circumstance is different. It's so hard to compare one situation vs. another.
Parenthetically, Lavin completely blew it with recruiting the last few seasons. I would argue, rightly that Mullins recruiting is getting better - see next year's team. Even this year stinks, I think I can argue that correctly.
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
keep beating the Lavin drum tony. The same one that quit recruiting totally last 2 seasons. Im not happy about this but im ready to give mullin the same we gave lavin. Staff changes will and need to be made. I think they turn it around next season.
You wouldn’t believe it. Don’t even like Lavin. He was ok. We are so far from ok it’s sad.
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
Wait, what??? This year has been brutal and I'm not one pushing for Mullin to be ousted, but your comment makes no sense. Can it possibly be much worse than it is now? Why would it take a new regime 5-8 years to get to what level --- winless in BE play? I think that level of futility can be achieved much quicker....
Because making a regime change would guarantee the gutter...at last with keeping the coaching staff, and returning players you have the 'optionality' of the upside of a full roster. It's that simple.
That's not totally true.
Like anything else it all depends on who you hire.
And lastly the roster has had serious turnover every year and don't expect it to be different even with him coming back...
All I know is when you don't win early it makes it that much harder to win when you are almost forced too..the pressure becomes so enormous...
For certain, the pressure builds as a coach doesn't win right away. There is no doubt about it.
No doubt about roster turnover - it happens most everywhere. I would expect that team should be more solidly formed next year based all the players waiting on wings.
To me, this whole thing is so freagn' close to coming together, despite being 0 and whatever this season.
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
Wait, what??? This year has been brutal and I'm not one pushing for Mullin to be ousted, but your comment makes no sense. Can it possibly be much worse than it is now? Why would it take a new regime 5-8 years to get to what level --- winless in BE play? I think that level of futility can be achieved much quicker....
Because making a regime change would guarantee the gutter...at last with keeping the coaching staff, and returning players you have the 'optionality' of the upside of a full roster. It's that simple.
That's not totally true.
Like anything else it all depends on who you hire.
And lastly the roster has had serious turnover every year and don't expect it to be different even with him coming back...
All I know is when you don't win early it makes it that much harder to win when you are almost forced too..the pressure becomes so enormous...
For certain, the pressure builds as a coach doesn't win right away. There is no doubt about it.
No doubt about roster turnover - it happens most everywhere. I would expect that team should be more solidly formed next year based all the players waiting on wings.
To me, this whole thing is so freagn' close to coming together, despite being 0 and whatever this season.
I hope you are right. But this year has burned almost all the goodwill he earned when he was hired. And I can't continually defend him anymore.
I defended him on the multitude of whiffs on recruiting, on the Slice disaster, on the decision to go after Zach Brown which had red flags all over him, the Sid Wilson debacle, the decision to not make any staff changes but not anymore. Can't do it.
This is a disaster of his making. If he has a plan that will turn this around starting this year and continuing into next year, God Bless him. I will be the first to congratulate. But I don't give him the benefit of the doubt anymore.
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
Which roster in the BE do you believe has less talent than we do?
The head coach is in charge of the roster isn’t he? Honestly I don’t know about the other teams. Dvr tapes the games , but I haven’t been watching. I didn’t go Saturday. My brother sold our tickets (I think to nova fans). Lost some interest . No reason to watch if we are coming in 9/10.
I think our talent is good. Definitely has issues. As did every team since Ron artest.
Shot selection- no real offense- poor to 0 defense - long stretches of not being physical which lead to poor rebounding- those are the reasons we suck
Ponds and Simon- 2 good players on a winless team- that says something- unless you think they suck now
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
No. Why be such an absolutist? Why can you just acknowledge this season is toast, relax about it... it's like crying over split milk at this point.... just evaluate the coaching when he's had a full season or two. I would argue for next two seasons.
I get it, one could argue the team should have had more depth this year...but guess what it didn't. We all deal with disappointment, or not meeting expectations at work, or in life, etc....so it didn't happen this year. big deal. Just see what happens with a full roster the next two season.
It's all about the next two years with a full roster.
Do you not acknowledge the team would have performed better, if the coaches had more players? I think it would be preposterous to argue that the performance wouldn't have been better.
Maybe Mullin stinks. I don't know. None of us know - because the team so short handed.
We just have sing that same old song.. wait until next year.
What if he stinks because he’s short handed? The person who left him short handed is responsible. I hope we figure out who did that to Mullin, but we may need help in solving the mystery.
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
Wait, what??? This year has been brutal and I'm not one pushing for Mullin to be ousted, but your comment makes no sense. Can it possibly be much worse than it is now? Why would it take a new regime 5-8 years to get to what level --- winless in BE play? I think that level of futility can be achieved much quicker....
Because making a regime change would guarantee the gutter...at last with keeping the coaching staff, and returning players you have the 'optionality' of the upside of a full roster. It's that simple.
That's not totally true.
Like anything else it all depends on who you hire.
And lastly the roster has had serious turnover every year and don't expect it to be different even with him coming back...
All I know is when you don't win early it makes it that much harder to win when you are almost forced too..the pressure becomes so enormous...
For certain, the pressure builds as a coach doesn't win right away. There is no doubt about it.
No doubt about roster turnover - it happens most everywhere. I would expect that team should be more solidly formed next year based all the players waiting on wings.
To me, this whole thing is so freagn' close to coming together, despite being 0 and whatever this season.
I hope you are right. But this year has burned almost all the goodwill he earned when he was hired. And I can't continually defend him anymore.
I defended him on the multitude of whiffs on recruiting, on the Slice disaster, on the decision to go after Zach Brown which had red flags all over him, the Sid Wilson debacle, the decision to not make any staff changes but not anymore. Can't do it.
This is a disaster of his making. If he has a plan that will turn this around starting this year and continuing into next year, God Bless him. I will be the first to congratulate. But I don't give him the benefit of the doubt anymore.
You have no argument from me. No one has to 'defend him'. I'm not even defending him. The results are terrible this season - there are debacles left and right, as you have mentioned above.
I'm just arguing over and over and over... that the best course of action is to not make a massive regime change.
Just see how it goes, with what we all hope is, finally... a full roster next season and after. There is potential upside of things working.
I think a coaching regime change completely blows up the roster, deflates the fan base even more, and then the endless waiting game continues... at least with keeping the current staff; then we might capture some of the upside returns of having upper classmen, a full roster, etc.
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
No. Why be such an absolutist? Why can you just acknowledge this season is toast, relax about it... it's like crying over split milk at this point.... just evaluate the coaching when he's had a full season or two. I would argue for next two seasons.
I get it, one could argue the team should have had more depth this year...but guess what it didn't. We all deal with disappointment, or not meeting expectations at work, or in life, etc....so it didn't happen this year. big deal. Just see what happens with a full roster the next two season.
It's all about the next two years with a full roster.
Do you not acknowledge the team would have performed better, if the coaches had more players? I think it would be preposterous to argue that the performance wouldn't have been better.
Maybe Mullin stinks. I don't know. None of us know - because the team so short handed.
We just have sing that same old song.. wait until next year.
What if he stinks because he’s short handed? The person who left him short handed is responsible. I hope we figure out who did that to Mullin, but we may need help in solving the mystery.
Sunk cost. Canning him for the bad roster this year is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You have a full roster on the horizon.
Canning him would guarantee an empty roster next year.
Keeping him gives you a full, or at least we hope, a full balanced roster next year.
Do you not acknowledge that?
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We go through the same process every time: coach has a disappointing season and the fans start going overboard. Inevitably that leads to poor recruiting class and the fans call for the coach's head. Opposing coaches point recruits to our message boards and it becomes impossible to land quality recruiting classes. The coach is fired and then we have to waste 3-4 years building a roster only to have the same cycle continue.
Lovett cost us 7-9 wins this year. He's not a +7-9 win talent, but that is the hole he left by not playing and presumably chasing away Ellison and Mussini and other recruiting options.
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
No. Why be such an absolutist? Why can you just acknowledge this season is toast, relax about it... it's like crying over split milk at this point.... just evaluate the coaching when he's had a full season or two. I would argue for next two seasons.
I get it, one could argue the team should have had more depth this year...but guess what it didn't. We all deal with disappointment, or not meeting expectations at work, or in life, etc....so it didn't happen this year. big deal. Just see what happens with a full roster the next two season.
It's all about the next two years with a full roster.
Do you not acknowledge the team would have performed better, if the coaches had more players? I think it would be preposterous to argue that the performance wouldn't have been better.
Maybe Mullin stinks. I don't know. None of us know - because the team so short handed.
We just have sing that same old song.. wait until next year.
What if he stinks because he’s short handed? The person who left him short handed is responsible. I hope we figure out who did that to Mullin, but we may need help in solving the mystery.
Sunk cost. Canning him for the bad roster this year is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You have a full roster on the horizon.
Canning him would guarantee an empty roster next year.
Keeping him gives you a full, or at least we hope, a full balanced roster next year.
Do you not acknowledge that?
The full roster thing is a bit overplayed. You are assuming no roster attrition next year an we know that is not likely.
Furthermore a lot of the roster issues are due to how they recruited in addition to the transfers. Meaning the current staff is responsible for these holes. You can't then use it as an excuse for why they are struggling.
But again all I hear is year 4 is the breakthrough, fine. I sure hope so.
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
No. Why be such an absolutist? Why can you just acknowledge this season is toast, relax about it... it's like crying over split milk at this point.... just evaluate the coaching when he's had a full season or two. I would argue for next two seasons.
I get it, one could argue the team should have had more depth this year...but guess what it didn't. We all deal with disappointment, or not meeting expectations at work, or in life, etc....so it didn't happen this year. big deal. Just see what happens with a full roster the next two season.
It's all about the next two years with a full roster.
Do you not acknowledge the team would have performed better, if the coaches had more players? I think it would be preposterous to argue that the performance wouldn't have been better.
Maybe Mullin stinks. I don't know. None of us know - because the team so short handed.
We just have sing that same old song.. wait until next year.
What if he stinks because he’s short handed? The person who left him short handed is responsible. I hope we figure out who did that to Mullin, but we may need help in solving the mystery.
Sunk cost. Canning him for the bad roster this year is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You have a full roster on the horizon.
Canning him would guarantee an empty roster next year.
Keeping him gives you a full, or at least we hope, a full balanced roster next year.
Do you not acknowledge that?
I didn’t say he should be canned because he was so arrogant and lazy that the team was left without enough players to field a competitive team.
This is year 3 and we’re destroyed at home vs DePaul. Isn’t this why the University moved on from Lavin after 5 years? If we’re seeing a staff take the summer off now why don’t we move on from them and hire professionals who understand how hard you have to work to win in the BE?
In terms of players leaving if Mullin is canned, I can live with it, but I don’t think that will necessarily happen if the University hires the right consultant group to help them make their decision. Clearly, they are incapable of this kind of thinking on their own.
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
No. Why be such an absolutist? Why can you just acknowledge this season is toast, relax about it... it's like crying over split milk at this point.... just evaluate the coaching when he's had a full season or two. I would argue for next two seasons.
I get it, one could argue the team should have had more depth this year...but guess what it didn't. We all deal with disappointment, or not meeting expectations at work, or in life, etc....so it didn't happen this year. big deal. Just see what happens with a full roster the next two season.
It's all about the next two years with a full roster.
Do you not acknowledge the team would have performed better, if the coaches had more players? I think it would be preposterous to argue that the performance wouldn't have been better.
Maybe Mullin stinks. I don't know. None of us know - because the team so short handed.
We just have sing that same old song.. wait until next year.
What if he stinks because he’s short handed? The person who left him short handed is responsible. I hope we figure out who did that to Mullin, but we may need help in solving the mystery.
Sunk cost. Canning him for the bad roster this year is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You have a full roster on the horizon.
Canning him would guarantee an empty roster next year.
Keeping him gives you a full, or at least we hope, a full balanced roster next year.
Do you not acknowledge that?
The full roster thing is a bit overplayed. You are assuming no roster attrition next year an we know that is not likely.
Furthermore a lot of the roster issues are due to how they recruited in addition to the transfers. Meaning the current staff is responsible for these holes. You can't then use it as an excuse for why they are struggling.
But again all I hear is year 4 is the breakthrough, fine. I sure hope so.
I don't think the full roster thing is overplayed. For certain, you are correct in assuming there is always roster turnover / attrition.
That being said, we have what, like 13 scholarship commitments for next season? Even assuming not every expected player shows up next year, it should be fairly full and balanced roster.
If it's not a relatively full and balanced roster, then I'll be really pissed off, and all the people who want to move on from Mullin would obviously have a much stronger argument - and I would have almost no leg to stand on... i fully acknowledge that.
I also understand the argument that that staff should held accountable for this season's short-handed team. I just choose not penalize them as severely as some others do on this website. They got a bad break, almost literally, with LoVett's knee..and the Wilson thing seems a bit unexpected...otherwise, why would the team even sign him up if he thought he might bolt?
I don't think you and I, and most others on this site, are all the different on the evaluation of the team...none of us are blind; we see the product on the floor. It's terrible. We are all just moderately different on where we are in terms of patience, and trying to not become fully exasperated to the point of rooting for firing the staff.
I will say it again though... my argument is not purely about giving patience, for patience's sake. It's about getting the best 'bang for your buck'...we need to try and maximize the potential upsides... Waiting it out a year or two, with hopefully a full and balanced roster seems like the best expected return bet to me.
If it doesn't work, then we can him, destroy the roster and we return, yet again, to a re-restart mode that some are arguing for right now. I just disagree with math that people are doing in head for arguing for canning him right now.
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We have taken Arizona State, Villanova, Missouri, Seton Hall, and Creighton all down to the wire in games where both teams played well. It wasn't like any of them just couldn't hit a shot or anything. They were pretty much on their games and we competed with them down to the wire. Only one of those games was a home game. Something has to be said for that. We've played four bad games. DePaul, Providence, Georgetown, and UCF. UCF was the 3rd game in 4 days in Florida. Georgetown we had one of our two best players out and our only other scoring option had the flu. DePaul we let get away at the end. I think we tend to play down to poorer competition and that's just inexperience.
The big thing is convincing Shamorie to come back next season. If we can do that, this team is going to have a special year next year. They'll have depth and better interior play both offensively and defensively. Yeah, 0-6 sucks. But we could've very easily been 16-2 with a 5-2 conference record if we had more experience and depth which is all coming next season.
Year 1 was a complete wash and shouldn't even be considered when discussing Chris Mullin.
Year 2 was a fine season in a rebuilding process.
Year 3 has had its ups and downs and we've had some pretty crucial blows. It's a snake-bitten season this year with Mussini AND Ellison leaving and transfers not eligible to play yet and then Lovett getting hurt.
These next two years are the ones where we are going to see who Mullin really is as a coach and a leader. He HAS to convince Shamorie to come back for one more year and if he can't win with that team, it's time to start thinking about the future in a new direction.
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We have taken Arizona State, Villanova, Missouri, Seton Hall, and Creighton all down to the wire in games where both teams played well. It wasn't like any of them just couldn't hit a shot or anything. They were pretty much on their games and we competed with them down to the wire. Only one of those games was a home game. Something has to be said for that. We've played four bad games. DePaul, Providence, Georgetown, and UCF. UCF was the 3rd game in 4 days in Florida. Georgetown we had one of our two best players out and our only other scoring option had the flu. DePaul we let get away at the end. I think we tend to play down to poorer competition and that's just inexperience.
The big thing is convincing Shamorie to come back next season. If we can do that, this team is going to have a special year next year. They'll have depth and better interior play both offensively and defensively. Yeah, 0-6 sucks. But we could've very easily been 16-2 with a 5-2 conference record if we had more experience and depth which is all coming next season.
Year 1 was a complete wash and shouldn't even be considered when discussing Chris Mullin.
Year 2 was a fine season in a rebuilding process.
Year 3 has had its ups and downs and we've had some pretty crucial blows. It's a snake-bitten season this year with Mussini AND Ellison leaving and transfers not eligible to play yet and then Lovett getting hurt.
These next two years are the ones where we are going to see who Mullin really is as a coach and a leader. He HAS to convince Shamorie to come back for one more year and if he can't win with that team, it's time to start thinking about the future in a new direction.
No the close losses are a mirage. They aren't any good.
And I brought this up last year and it was a warning sign. They were 7-11 last year but they were much closer to being 3-15 then they were 11-7.
Meaning in none if their 11 losses did they have any realistic chance of winning. Hard to believe but they were completely non-competitive in those games.
And perhaps that fools gold is biting them now. Because again they were much closer to being significantly worse last year than any better.
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These next two years are the ones where we are going to see who Mullin really is as a coach and a leader.
It depends what happens next year, whether he deserves or gets an additional year. If we're not in the dance next season, then it's time to move on.
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Obviously not all circumstances are the same so it is not fair to say all bad seasons are directly the responsibility of the HC.
Since this sentence is true, it completely dismisses everything before it. It is fair to be critical of this staff, everyone knows I have been, but to compare Mullin's record at this point to his predecessors is completely useless considering what Mullin inherited
If Mullin leaves this year, then i guarantee you it'll be five to eight years before we're back to same spot. He absolutely has to stay, and so does all, if not the majority of the staff. Anything choice, would be an utterly stupid decision by the athletic department.
Wait, what??? This year has been brutal and I'm not one pushing for Mullin to be ousted, but your comment makes no sense. Can it possibly be much worse than it is now? Why would it take a new regime 5-8 years to get to what level --- winless in BE play? I think that level of futility can be achieved much quicker....
Precisely, that argument itself is stupid.
Do people understand right now he is 8-34 in BE play...0-6 this year and 0-4 at home. They lost to the projected 2 worst teams at home...
And you are worried about being set back, from that....
He's getting a 4th year but please make a better argument..
Please read my posts above. You guys are arguing about the past / sunk costs.
While it may makes sense in our hearts to grip over this season, it doesn't really benefit us.
The best way to evaluate is the expected value of the future returns.
I guarantee you a smart AD thinks of these decisions in this manner.
It would be foolish to demolish the team and gamble on another coach.
Or more simply: We already stink this year, and we've stunk for the better part of 25 years. What's the big deal if we stink for two more with Mullin if he's really that bad? ... Or is it smarter to get a full roster, and then evaluate? If the teams stinks two years from now - by all means, organize a graceful exit. I would argue the latter - just see what happens with a full team.
Yes, the team is 0 and whatever in the big east. But this team took #1 Nova and AZ St. close.... I think it's the smarest use of funds to continue with the current course - and then evaluate later, after they have a full team.
That is a weak argument and that doesn't explain why they fired a coach who just took them to the NCAA's if the don't care about sucking for a few years.
Lavin got lazy and stopped recruiting, it's that simple, as Looie said: "people think they can coach here, and think it will be a vacation."
I'm glad Lavin is gone.
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These next two years are the ones where we are going to see who Mullin really is as a coach and a leader.
It depends what happens next year, whether he deserves or gets an additional year. If we're not in the dance next season, then it's time to move on.
It will be Mullin's 4th year, I'd say NIT, but wanted nit this year, I say nothing less the the NCAA. They won't be short handed next year.
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We have taken Arizona State, Villanova, Missouri, Seton Hall, and Creighton all down to the wire in games where both teams played well. It wasn't like any of them just couldn't hit a shot or anything. They were pretty much on their games and we competed with them down to the wire. Only one of those games was a home game. Something has to be said for that. We've played four bad games. DePaul, Providence, Georgetown, and UCF. UCF was the 3rd game in 4 days in Florida. Georgetown we had one of our two best players out and our only other scoring option had the flu. DePaul we let get away at the end. I think we tend to play down to poorer competition and that's just inexperience.
The big thing is convincing Shamorie to come back next season. If we can do that, this team is going to have a special year next year. They'll have depth and better interior play both offensively and defensively. Yeah, 0-6 sucks. But we could've very easily been 16-2 with a 5-2 conference record if we had more experience and depth which is all coming next season.
Year 1 was a complete wash and shouldn't even be considered when discussing Chris Mullin.
Year 2 was a fine season in a rebuilding process.
Year 3 has had its ups and downs and we've had some pretty crucial blows. It's a snake-bitten season this year with Mussini AND Ellison leaving and transfers not eligible to play yet and then Lovett getting hurt.
These next two years are the ones where we are going to see who Mullin really is as a coach and a leader. He HAS to convince Shamorie to come back for one more year and if he can't win with that team, it's time to start thinking about the future in a new direction.
No the close losses are a mirage. They aren't any good.
And I brought this up last year and it was a warning sign. They were 7-11 last year but they were much closer to being 3-15 then they were 11-7.
Meaning in none if their 11 losses did they have any realistic chance of winning. Hard to believe but they were completely non-competitive in those games.
And perhaps that fools gold is biting them now. Because again they were much closer to being significantly worse last year than any better.
Fordham, I usually agree with you, but this doesn't make much sense. You are penalizing the team for losing close, hard fought games this season and penalizing them for winning close hard fought games last season? A win is a win, most close wins or losses are ugly. The Nova game was ugly for both teams, team with better talent and coaching ultimately won... Reality is if you are a Zona fan you care criticizing the way the team won, wasn't pretty.
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Yeah, 0-6 sucks. But we could've very easily been 16-2 with a 5-2 conference record if we had more experience and depth
Yeah, and if I was better looking and had money I could be banging super models.
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We have taken Arizona State, Villanova, Missouri, Seton Hall, and Creighton all down to the wire in games where both teams played well. It wasn't like any of them just couldn't hit a shot or anything. They were pretty much on their games and we competed with them down to the wire. Only one of those games was a home game. Something has to be said for that. We've played four bad games. DePaul, Providence, Georgetown, and UCF. UCF was the 3rd game in 4 days in Florida. Georgetown we had one of our two best players out and our only other scoring option had the flu. DePaul we let get away at the end. I think we tend to play down to poorer competition and that's just inexperience.
The big thing is convincing Shamorie to come back next season. If we can do that, this team is going to have a special year next year. They'll have depth and better interior play both offensively and defensively. Yeah, 0-6 sucks. But we could've very easily been 16-2 with a 5-2 conference record if we had more experience and depth which is all coming next season.
Year 1 was a complete wash and shouldn't even be considered when discussing Chris Mullin.
Year 2 was a fine season in a rebuilding process.
Year 3 has had its ups and downs and we've had some pretty crucial blows. It's a snake-bitten season this year with Mussini AND Ellison leaving and transfers not eligible to play yet and then Lovett getting hurt.
These next two years are the ones where we are going to see who Mullin really is as a coach and a leader. He HAS to convince Shamorie to come back for one more year and if he can't win with that team, it's time to start thinking about the future in a new direction.
No the close losses are a mirage. They aren't any good.
And I brought this up last year and it was a warning sign. They were 7-11 last year but they were much closer to being 3-15 then they were 11-7.
Meaning in none if their 11 losses did they have any realistic chance of winning. Hard to believe but they were completely non-competitive in those games.
And perhaps that fools gold is biting them now. Because again they were much closer to being significantly worse last year than any better.
I agree . Last year . Plenty of beat downs. And we luckily won some games. Playing somewhat close in 4 games so far. Still 2 beatdowns. More beatdowns coming.
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Teams are always going to get beat down. But are you seriously not confident that we can be in every single game the rest of the year except maybe Nova on the road, Duke at MSG, and Xavier on the road? I think we can and should be right there with Marquette both times, Seton Hall, Butler once, Creighton, and Marquette twice. I still St. John's could get to 7 wins in conference play if they let Shamorie go to work. Attack the rim, get their bigs in foul trouble, and find a rhythm for him early. If they can do that and also press teams when they start to go on runs, I think the rest of the season will go like this;
@Xavier: L
@ Georgetown: W
Creighton: W
@Butler: L
Xavier: L
Duke: L
@Nova: L
Marquette: W
@DePaul: W
@Marquette: W
Seton Hall: W
Butler: W
@Providence: L
That'd be 7-11 in back to back years and we'd be 17-13. That would put us at a 7 or 8 seed where we could take a Big East Tournament game. You do all that and that should be good enough to make the NIT. Win a game or two in that, bring these kids back (except Lovett because I think he's definitely gone) and come back next year and contend for a Big East title and a Tournament appearance. It's going to be tough, but it's possible to achieve. I'm not done giving up hope on this team. There's no reason to. We've been right there in almost every single game. I think the not knowing if Lovett was going to play or not really hurt the team more than it would if they had just come out and said he was leaving the program.
I just refuse to give up on this team. I went to quite a few games last season and this is my first year as a season ticket holder and this fan base really grates me some times. It's always one extreme or the other. We give up a 10-0 run? We're getting blown out. We go on a 10-0 run, we're Final Four contenders. Since 2001, here's where we ranked in the conference standings 6/7, 5(t), 9, last, 2nd to last, 2nd to last, 10, 3rd to last, 4th to last, 4th to last, 5th, 11th, 11th, 5th, 5th, last, and 8th. We've won I believe six games in the Big East Tournament since 2001 and have never won more than one game in any particular tournament (meaning we've never had multiple wins in one tournament). We have no reason to expect this team to be nationally relevant so quickly. This turnaround was never going to happen overnight.
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We have taken Arizona State, Villanova, Missouri, Seton Hall, and Creighton all down to the wire in games where both teams played well. It wasn't like any of them just couldn't hit a shot or anything. They were pretty much on their games and we competed with them down to the wire. Only one of those games was a home game. Something has to be said for that. We've played four bad games. DePaul, Providence, Georgetown, and UCF. UCF was the 3rd game in 4 days in Florida. Georgetown we had one of our two best players out and our only other scoring option had the flu. DePaul we let get away at the end. I think we tend to play down to poorer competition and that's just inexperience.
The big thing is convincing Shamorie to come back next season. If we can do that, this team is going to have a special year next year. They'll have depth and better interior play both offensively and defensively. Yeah, 0-6 sucks. But we could've very easily been 16-2 with a 5-2 conference record if we had more experience and depth which is all coming next season.
Year 1 was a complete wash and shouldn't even be considered when discussing Chris Mullin.
Year 2 was a fine season in a rebuilding process.
Year 3 has had its ups and downs and we've had some pretty crucial blows. It's a snake-bitten season this year with Mussini AND Ellison leaving and transfers not eligible to play yet and then Lovett getting hurt.
These next two years are the ones where we are going to see who Mullin really is as a coach and a leader. He HAS to convince Shamorie to come back for one more year and if he can't win with that team, it's time to start thinking about the future in a new direction.
No the close losses are a mirage. They aren't any good.
And I brought this up last year and it was a warning sign. They were 7-11 last year but they were much closer to being 3-15 then they were 11-7.
Meaning in none if their 11 losses did they have any realistic chance of winning. Hard to believe but they were completely non-competitive in those games.
And perhaps that fools gold is biting them now. Because again they were much closer to being significantly worse last year than any better.
Fordham, I usually agree with you, but this doesn't make much sense. You are penalizing the team for losing close, hard fought games this season and penalizing them for winning close hard fought games last season? A win is a win, most close wins or losses are ugly. The Nova game was ugly for both teams, team with better talent and coaching ultimately won... Reality is if you are a Zona fan you care criticizing the way the team won, wasn't pretty.
No what I'm saying is last year wasn't as much of an improvement as it may have looked on paper. And this year I would give them more credit for some close losses if they were combined with wins. Also I dispute the notion they have lost all of these "close" games. My measurement is who had the lead and controlled the games throughout the 2nd half. Except for Creighton their opponents did and once Creighton got the lead back they never gave it back. Let's not act like SJU is losing because of fluke plays or blown late leads, they aren't. They are constantly fighting uphill you can't expect to win those games. Too much is being made about them not being blown out, fine. That is not the same as being in a realistic position to win.
Give you an example. Marquette won 10 games last year, they blew a 3 point lead with the ball under a minute at SHU last year. They had a 6 point lead at Providence with less than 5 minutes and blew it. Those are 2 they could argue they let get away. SJU has not had a lead with less that 3-4 minutes left, think about. That is why they are losing. The fact the other team misses some free throws or does a turnover and gives SJU a chance to make it close isn't evidence SJU is closing the gap.
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Teams are always going to get beat down. But are you seriously not confident that we can be in every single game the rest of the year except maybe Nova on the road, Duke at MSG, and Xavier on the road? I think we can and should be right there with Marquette both times, Seton Hall, Butler once, Creighton, and Marquette twice. I still St. John's could get to 7 wins in conference play if they let Shamorie go to work. Attack the rim, get their bigs in foul trouble, and find a rhythm for him early. If they can do that and also press teams when they start to go on runs, I think the rest of the season will go like this;
@Xavier: L
@ Georgetown: W
Creighton: W
@Butler: L
Xavier: L
Duke: L
@Nova: L
Marquette: W
@DePaul: W
@Marquette: W
Seton Hall: W
Butler: W
@Providence: L
That'd be 7-11 in back to back years and we'd be 17-13. That would put us at a 7 or 8 seed where we could take a Big East Tournament game. You do all that and that should be good enough to make the NIT. Win a game or two in that, bring these kids back (except Lovett because I think he's definitely gone) and come back next year and contend for a Big East title and a Tournament appearance. It's going to be tough, but it's possible to achieve. I'm not done giving up hope on this team. There's no reason to. We've been right there in almost every single game. I think the not knowing if Lovett was going to play or not really hurt the team more than it would if they had just come out and said he was leaving the program.
I just refuse to give up on this team. I went to quite a few games last season and this is my first year as a season ticket holder and this fan base really grates me some times. It's always one extreme or the other. We give up a 10-0 run? We're getting blown out. We go on a 10-0 run, we're Final Four contenders. Since 2001, here's where we ranked in the conference standings 6/7, 5(t), 9, last, 2nd to last, 2nd to last, 10, 3rd to last, 4th to last, 4th to last, 5th, 11th, 11th, 5th, 5th, last, and 8th. We've won I believe six games in the Big East Tournament since 2001 and have never won more than one game in any particular tournament (meaning we've never had multiple wins in one tournament). We have no reason to expect this team to be nationally relevant so quickly. This turnaround was never going to happen overnight.
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You don't have to give up on this team. I really do hope your prognostication comes to fruition. But, I'll have to see better play before I buy in to your scenario playing out.
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Teams are always going to get beat down. But are you seriously not confident that we can be in every single game the rest of the year except maybe Nova on the road, Duke at MSG, and Xavier on the road? I think we can and should be right there with Marquette both times, Seton Hall, Butler once, Creighton, and Marquette twice. I still St. John's could get to 7 wins in conference play if they let Shamorie go to work. Attack the rim, get their bigs in foul trouble, and find a rhythm for him early. If they can do that and also press teams when they start to go on runs, I think the rest of the season will go like this;
@Xavier: L
@ Georgetown: W
Creighton: W
@Butler: L
Xavier: L
Duke: L
@Nova: L
Marquette: W
@DePaul: W
@Marquette: W
Seton Hall: W
Butler: W
@Providence: L
That'd be 7-11 in back to back years and we'd be 17-13. That would put us at a 7 or 8 seed where we could take a Big East Tournament game. You do all that and that should be good enough to make the NIT. Win a game or two in that, bring these kids back (except Lovett because I think he's definitely gone) and come back next year and contend for a Big East title and a Tournament appearance. It's going to be tough, but it's possible to achieve. I'm not done giving up hope on this team. There's no reason to. We've been right there in almost every single game. I think the not knowing if Lovett was going to play or not really hurt the team more than it would if they had just come out and said he was leaving the program.
I just refuse to give up on this team. I went to quite a few games last season and this is my first year as a season ticket holder and this fan base really grates me some times. It's always one extreme or the other. We give up a 10-0 run? We're getting blown out. We go on a 10-0 run, we're Final Four contenders. Since 2001, here's where we ranked in the conference standings 6/7, 5(t), 9, last, 2nd to last, 2nd to last, 10, 3rd to last, 4th to last, 4th to last, 5th, 11th, 11th, 5th, 5th, last, and 8th. We've won I believe six games in the Big East Tournament since 2001 and have never won more than one game in any particular tournament (meaning we've never had multiple wins in one tournament). We have no reason to expect this team to be nationally relevant so quickly. This turnaround was never going to happen overnight.
Their was never a reason for a turnaround. That happened already. We choose to take 3 steps back. Then we hired a novice and are irrelevant AGAIN. Beatdowns are coming. Sorry you just bought tickets . When we are good which is possible, plenty of fun at the garden .
Can’t win without a coach. Currently we have Santa
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Currently we have Santa
The sun resolves around eartha kitt. I may have spelled that wrong I'm on the toilet, I might have meant it revolves around Uranus. Regardless, I am always write. Gym teachers are hard, especially in the shower. This not a good team. Felix Balamous is good. Felix Balamous is bad. Clarke is not as big as many of you think. Our best players need to play. Why are bad players allowed to shoot? I think most game ares not close. Freshman make mistakes. We are not playing all freshman. Highly rated freshman should be able to Compete. I hope we win some games. If not I hope we get killed. Merry Christmas! Teams need their role players to play roles. Role players need a more defined role. Don't think our bigs are that bad. I think st. Jean is a good coach. St. Jean, he needs help.
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
Agree that is quite possible and eliminates the unappealing "firing the legend" situation. Hopefully the core guys return, new players contribute, staff improves and they claw their way to an NCAA T bid. The thought of the SJU "brain trust" going through another coaching search is headache inducing. :)
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
Agree that is quite possible and eliminates the unappealing "firing the legend" situation. Hopefully the core guys return, new players contribute, staff improves and they claw their way to an NCAA T bid. The thought of the SJU "brain trust" going through another coaching search is headache inducing. :)
That combined with the fact "he is Chris Mullin" is why I figured he would have more rope then he has been given by the people on here.
How about you Paultz, you are one of the more rational people on here. We make NIT next year, he should get more time?
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The "more time" stuff has gotten old. He does not need more time to turn this around, he needs to get a qualified staff to be with him every moment of the day on and off the court. 4 years, 5 years, 6 years, he is not going to become a better coach. There are guys who have been around the game for 30 years, and suck at coaching. Mullin is in his mid 50's, he is set on his ways, and those ways are leading him to what has turned out to be the worst 3 year stretch in program history outside of sanctions
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
Agree that is quite possible and eliminates the unappealing "firing the legend" situation. Hopefully the core guys return, new players contribute, staff improves and they claw their way to an NCAA T bid. The thought of the SJU "brain trust" going through another coaching search is headache inducing. :)
That combined with the fact "he is Chris Mullin" is why I figured he would have more rope then he has been given by the people on here.
How about you Paultz, you are one of the more rational people on here. We make NIT next year, he should get more time?
If they contend all year for a bid, knock off some good teams along the way & avoid many blowouts, I find it hard to believe he wouldn't get more time. I always preferred a gym rat type coach v a SJU legend, who never coached, but, considering what he inherited, what's fair is fair.
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The "more time" stuff has gotten old. He does not need more time to turn this around, he needs to get a qualified staff to be with him every moment of the day on and off the court. 4 years, 5 years, 6 years, he is not going to become a better coach. There are guys who have been around the game for 30 years, and suck at coaching. Mullin is in his mid 50's, he is set on his ways, and those ways are leading him to what has turned out to be the worst 3 year stretch in program history outside of sanctions
I agree why should he get more time? A very successful program like ST John's should not have a 3 year down period. We need to get back to our Glory years which ended 26 years ago.
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This isn’t a feel good story, it’s pretty simple actually. He was brought here to turn this ship around. Due to the situation that he was handed, he should have ample time to show improvements. If there hasn’t been an improvements by a certain time then there needs to be a change. What’s that time frame? People will have different opinions but for me it’s 5 years. NIT is a MUST next year, if we can’t make atleast the NIT then this has been a complete failure and he must get fired or step down. The thought of 1 recruiter for a Big East school is absurd. I would love for him to turn it around. But people get fired for underperformance. He would be still loved as a great basketball player but a shitty coach.
Kids either want a 1 or 2 yr stop gap or the chance to go dancing. They don’t need us for a 1 or 2 yr stop so the chance to dance is the only reason.
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We were not only competitive under Lavin but made the tourney a few times(this will not turn into, "we should never of fired lavin) and our best stretch in 20 years.
Lets give mullin more "time" cause he sucks in 3 years and by your logic, its ok to suck in 3 years, cause we have not been relevant in 26. Makes a lot of sense.
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
Agree that is quite possible and eliminates the unappealing "firing the legend" situation. Hopefully the core guys return, new players contribute, staff improves and they claw their way to an NCAA T bid. The thought of the SJU "brain trust" going through another coaching search is headache inducing. :)
That combined with the fact "he is Chris Mullin" is why I figured he would have more rope then he has been given by the people on here.
How about you Paultz, you are one of the more rational people on here. We make NIT next year, he should get more time?
If they contend all year for a bid, knock off some good teams along the way & avoid many blowouts, I find it hard to believe he wouldn't get more time. I always preferred a gym rat type coach v a SJU legend, who never coached, but, considering what he inherited, what's fair is fair.
When it was first being mentioned I was against as well and in fact thought Lavin should be retained. Since he got hired, I have no stomach for another rebuild and since he is Chris Mullin , yes I believe he deserves more time than someone who isn't Chris Mullin. We are ST John's. There are no quick fixes. Shorter time frame for us to be relevant again is if Mullin figures this out in next year or so. IMO
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We were not only competitive under Lavin but made the tourney a few times(this will not turn into, "we should never of fired lavin) and our best stretch in 20 years.
Lets give mullin more "time" cause he sucks in 3 years and by your logic, its ok to suck in 3 years, cause we have not been relevant in 26. Makes a lot of sense.
I did not look it up. Besides Baylor, what program has sucked for 26 years and was turned around in 3 years? Give me some examples.
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Where is PJ Carlesimo nowadays?
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
Agree that is quite possible and eliminates the unappealing "firing the legend" situation. Hopefully the core guys return, new players contribute, staff improves and they claw their way to an NCAA T bid. The thought of the SJU "brain trust" going through another coaching search is headache inducing. :)
Wow just think about this statement and go back to his hiring in 2015. If I would have told this board at that moment that this hire was so good that it would make you forget the underachieving Lavin years by potentially having SJU in the NIT by end of year 4 you would have laughed me off of this board....
I'll stick by my analysis from earlier, he needs to get some momentum this year at some point and then make a QUANTUM leap in year 4. Or the knives will be out. How he does it is not my or the fans problem, but his. This is not a great conference. There is what 1 coach who seems to be headed to the Hall of Fame. Sorry it is not that difficult to get to 10 league wins. Lavin proved that.
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
Agree that is quite possible and eliminates the unappealing "firing the legend" situation. Hopefully the core guys return, new players contribute, staff improves and they claw their way to an NCAA T bid. The thought of the SJU "brain trust" going through another coaching search is headache inducing. :)
Wow just think about this statement and go back to his hiring in 2015. If I would have told this board at that moment that this hire was so good that it would make you forget the underachieving Lavin years by potentially having SJU in the NIT by end of year 4 you would have laughed me off of this board....
I'll stick by my analysis from earlier, he needs to get some momentum this year at some point and then make a QUANTUM leap in year 4. Or the knives will be out. How he does it is not my or the fans problem, but his. This is not a great conference. There is what 1 coach who seems to be headed to the Hall of Fame. Sorry it is not that difficult to get to 10 league wins. Lavin proved that.
Again his fault for the roster being the way it is but how is he or anyone really going to win many games with what is left?
Point being this year is lost. Nothing good going to come from it. I do not think you could gleam anything from anything that happens the rest of the year. I am looking forward to the same complaints for the next 13 games. Which is pointless at this point. Hopefully things get turned around next year or we will rebuild with another staff the year after.
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
Agree that is quite possible and eliminates the unappealing "firing the legend" situation. Hopefully the core guys return, new players contribute, staff improves and they claw their way to an NCAA T bid. The thought of the SJU "brain trust" going through another coaching search is headache inducing. :)
Wow just think about this statement and go back to his hiring in 2015. If I would have told this board at that moment that this hire was so good that it would make you forget the underachieving Lavin years by potentially having SJU in the NIT by end of year 4 you would have laughed me off of this board....
I'll stick by my analysis from earlier, he needs to get some momentum this year at some point and then make a QUANTUM leap in year 4. Or the knives will be out. How he does it is not my or the fans problem, but his. This is not a great conference. There is what 1 coach who seems to be headed to the Hall of Fame. Sorry it is not that difficult to get to 10 league wins. Lavin proved that.
Again his fault for the roster being the way it is but how is he or anyone really going to win many games with what is left?
Point being this year is lost. Nothing good going to come from it. I do not think you could gleam anything from anything that happens the rest of the year. I am looking forward to the same complaints for the next 13 games. Which is pointless at this point. Hopefully things get turned around next year or we will rebuild with another staff the year after.
I answered that, that is his problem not mine. And I didn't give a number.
Furthermore almost anytime a coach fails to do something you can argue "How was he supposed to do that?"
His failures are not an excuse of why he should not do better in the future. His bigger problem is going to be how he reverses this soon and makes that leap. He is a big boy he understood the expectations. He can figure it out.
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
Agree that is quite possible and eliminates the unappealing "firing the legend" situation. Hopefully the core guys return, new players contribute, staff improves and they claw their way to an NCAA T bid. The thought of the SJU "brain trust" going through another coaching search is headache inducing. :)
Wow just think about this statement and go back to his hiring in 2015. If I would have told this board at that moment that this hire was so good that it would make you forget the underachieving Lavin years by potentially having SJU in the NIT by end of year 4 you would have laughed me off of this board....
I'll stick by my analysis from earlier, he needs to get some momentum this year at some point and then make a QUANTUM leap in year 4. Or the knives will be out. How he does it is not my or the fans problem, but his. This is not a great conference. There is what 1 coach who seems to be headed to the Hall of Fame. Sorry it is not that difficult to get to 10 league wins. Lavin proved that.
Again his fault for the roster being the way it is but how is he or anyone really going to win many games with what is left?
Point being this year is lost. Nothing good going to come from it. I do not think you could gleam anything from anything that happens the rest of the year. I am looking forward to the same complaints for the next 13 games. Which is pointless at this point. Hopefully things get turned around next year or we will rebuild with another staff the year after.
I answered that, that is his problem not mine. And I didn't give a number.
Furthermore almost anytime a coach fails to do something you can argue "How was he supposed to do that?"
His failures are not an excuse of why he should not do better in the future. His bigger problem is going to be how he reverses this soon and makes that leap. He is a big boy he understood the expectations. He can figure it out.
That sounds great but then you are basically saying he should be fired after this year. Which if we were any other BE team besides Depaul I could understand.
Forget the whole he is Chris Mullin thing. The fastest way for us to be decent again is if he figures this out next year. New coach comes in and we are on rebuild time again.
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We were not only competitive under Lavin but made the tourney a few times(this will not turn into, "we should never of fired lavin) and our best stretch in 20 years.
Lets give mullin more "time" cause he sucks in 3 years and by your logic, its ok to suck in 3 years, cause we have not been relevant in 26. Makes a lot of sense.
I did not look it up. Besides Baylor, what program has sucked for 26 years and was turned around in 3 years? Give me some examples.
SMU: Last made tournament in 1993. Then in 2014 made a big run in NIT, and then went to tourney in 2 of 3 years, even with a year in sanctions. Brown salary 1.9 million when he got job.
Providence had not won a game in NCAA tourney since 1997, right about same time as us. Then after multiple bad hires, they brought in Cooley and now they have been consistently good.
There are more examples, but these two jumped out at me right away.
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
Agree that is quite possible and eliminates the unappealing "firing the legend" situation. Hopefully the core guys return, new players contribute, staff improves and they claw their way to an NCAA T bid. The thought of the SJU "brain trust" going through another coaching search is headache inducing. :)
Wow just think about this statement and go back to his hiring in 2015. If I would have told this board at that moment that this hire was so good that it would make you forget the underachieving Lavin years by potentially having SJU in the NIT by end of year 4 you would have laughed me off of this board....
I'll stick by my analysis from earlier, he needs to get some momentum this year at some point and then make a QUANTUM leap in year 4. Or the knives will be out. How he does it is not my or the fans problem, but his. This is not a great conference. There is what 1 coach who seems to be headed to the Hall of Fame. Sorry it is not that difficult to get to 10 league wins. Lavin proved that.
Again his fault for the roster being the way it is but how is he or anyone really going to win many games with what is left?
Point being this year is lost. Nothing good going to come from it. I do not think you could gleam anything from anything that happens the rest of the year. I am looking forward to the same complaints for the next 13 games. Which is pointless at this point. Hopefully things get turned around next year or we will rebuild with another staff the year after.
I answered that, that is his problem not mine. And I didn't give a number.
Furthermore almost anytime a coach fails to do something you can argue "How was he supposed to do that?"
His failures are not an excuse of why he should not do better in the future. His bigger problem is going to be how he reverses this soon and makes that leap. He is a big boy he understood the expectations. He can figure it out.
That sounds great but then you are basically saying he should be fired after this year. Which if we were any other BE team besides Depaul I could understand.
Forget the whole he is Chris Mullin thing. The fastest way for us to be decent again is if he figures this out next year. New coach comes in and we are on rebuild time again.
No I'm not you are saying that. You are assuming it can't be done.
I don't see where it is written anywhere that teams can't have huge bounce back years. Happens all the time. Not everyone goes from 15 to 17 to 19 to 21 wins. Sometimes they go from 12 to 24 wins etc.
How he does it is up to him. He said a few days ago it is "going to turn" those were his words not mine.
And let's not act like they are going up against Huggins, Boeheim, Calhoun, Pitino, Brey etc. This conference has some solid young coaches but it is hardly a murderers row. Plenty of opportunity to leapfrog in a year. Especially when the year is your 4th year.
I mean if you are going to ask how this is going to happen then ask how they lost 3 home games in which they were a significant favorite in every one? How did that happen? I don't know, the other team scored more points then they did? How did they lose at home by 17 to DePaul? DePaul scored 17 more points than they did. How can they reverse this trend? Score more opponents then their opponents.
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WASJU, I can only laugh at your material. You are the master of fallacies. Haha!
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
Agree that is quite possible and eliminates the unappealing "firing the legend" situation. Hopefully the core guys return, new players contribute, staff improves and they claw their way to an NCAA T bid. The thought of the SJU "brain trust" going through another coaching search is headache inducing. :)
Wow just think about this statement and go back to his hiring in 2015. If I would have told this board at that moment that this hire was so good that it would make you forget the underachieving Lavin years by potentially having SJU in the NIT by end of year 4 you would have laughed me off of this board....
I'll stick by my analysis from earlier, he needs to get some momentum this year at some point and then make a QUANTUM leap in year 4. Or the knives will be out. How he does it is not my or the fans problem, but his. This is not a great conference. There is what 1 coach who seems to be headed to the Hall of Fame. Sorry it is not that difficult to get to 10 league wins. Lavin proved that.
Again his fault for the roster being the way it is but how is he or anyone really going to win many games with what is left?
Point being this year is lost. Nothing good going to come from it. I do not think you could gleam anything from anything that happens the rest of the year. I am looking forward to the same complaints for the next 13 games. Which is pointless at this point. Hopefully things get turned around next year or we will rebuild with another staff the year after.
I answered that, that is his problem not mine. And I didn't give a number.
Furthermore almost anytime a coach fails to do something you can argue "How was he supposed to do that?"
His failures are not an excuse of why he should not do better in the future. His bigger problem is going to be how he reverses this soon and makes that leap. He is a big boy he understood the expectations. He can figure it out.
That sounds great but then you are basically saying he should be fired after this year. Which if we were any other BE team besides Depaul I could understand.
Forget the whole he is Chris Mullin thing. The fastest way for us to be decent again is if he figures this out next year. New coach comes in and we are on rebuild time again.
No I'm not you are saying that. You are assuming it can't be done.
I don't see where it is written anywhere that teams can have huge bounce back years. Happens all the time. Not everyone goes from 15 to 17 to 19 to 21 wins. Sometimes they go from 12 to 24 wins etc.
How he does it is up to him. He said a few days ago it is "going to turn" those were his words not mine.
And let's not act like they are going up against Huggins, Boeheim, Calhoun, Pitino, Brey etc. This conference has some solid young coaches but it is hardly a murderers row. Plenty of opportunity to leapfrog in a year. Especially when they year is your 4th year.
I mean if you are going to ask how this is going to happen then ask how they lost 3 home games in which they were a significant favorite in every one? How did that happen? I don't know, the other team scored more points then they did? How did they lose at home by 17 to DePaul? DePaul scored 17 more points than they did. How can they reverse this trend? Score more opponents then their opponents.
Again his fault about roster and Lovett is not Marcus Hatten, but losing your 2nd best player, probably best shooter and the trickle down as far as rotation crippled us. Except for 2ND half of Providence and Depaul game the team has played hard. They are just not that good.
My thought is unfortunately you throw this year out because of Lovett injury and he needs to at least make NIT next year. If not I bet he steps down.
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We were not only competitive under Lavin but made the tourney a few times(this will not turn into, "we should never of fired lavin) and our best stretch in 20 years.
Lets give mullin more "time" cause he sucks in 3 years and by your logic, its ok to suck in 3 years, cause we have not been relevant in 26. Makes a lot of sense.
I did not look it up. Besides Baylor, what program has sucked for 26 years and was turned around in 3 years? Give me some examples.
SMU: Last made tournament in 1993. Then in 2014 made a big run in NIT, and then went to tourney in 2 of 3 years, even with a year in sanctions. Brown salary 1.9 million when he got job.
Providence had not won a game in NCAA tourney since 1997, right about same time as us. Then after multiple bad hires, they brought in Cooley and now they have been consistently good.
There are more examples, but these two jumped out at me right away.
He also exaggerated the length of sucktitude. It hasn't been of any consistency, but the program hasn't sucked for 26 years. Mahoney, Fraschilla, Jarvis, and Lavin all enjoyed some form of success. Whether, it was only one season or more, they all had at least one season of success.
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WASJU, I can only laugh at your material. You are the master of fallacies. Haha!
You spelt it incorrectly. I am the master of my Phallus.
But seriously what have I said that is incorrect? Give me an example. Outside of Elite 8 team and what 3 other 1st round loss NCAA teams we have been a disaster. You really think Tim Cluess going to come in and start rattling off Sweet 16's? All I am saying is he should get one more year because that is our best hope. Outside of Jarvis who almost ruined the program our 2nd most successful coach is a guy that we pulled out of TV who everyone mostly hated. Lavin was no slam dunk either.
When Mullin goes we are getting a Cluess or som assitant or mid major coach that no one knows anything about. How long will that guy's honeymoon last.
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We were not only competitive under Lavin but made the tourney a few times(this will not turn into, "we should never of fired lavin) and our best stretch in 20 years.
Lets give mullin more "time" cause he sucks in 3 years and by your logic, its ok to suck in 3 years, cause we have not been relevant in 26. Makes a lot of sense.
I did not look it up. Besides Baylor, what program has sucked for 26 years and was turned around in 3 years? Give me some examples.
SMU: Last made tournament in 1993. Then in 2014 made a big run in NIT, and then went to tourney in 2 of 3 years, even with a year in sanctions. Brown salary 1.9 million when he got job.
Providence had not won a game in NCAA tourney since 1997, right about same time as us. Then after multiple bad hires, they brought in Cooley and now they have been consistently good.
There are more examples, but these two jumped out at me right away.
He also exaggerated the length of sucktitude. It hasn't been of any consistency, but the program hasn't sucked for 26 years. Mahoney, Fraschilla, Jarvis, and Lavin all enjoyed some form of success. Whether, it was only one season or more, they had had at least one season of success.
Not at all
Mahoney-One incredible Cain senior year with Louie's leftovers. 2nd round loss. Followed by two absolutely dreadful years.
Fran-1 first round loss-self destructed, was looking to move on and a player told me that if he had lasted much longer there was going to be a full on player revolt.
And I liked Fran
Jarvis-The 2nd most succesful coach of my lifetime. Elite 8 team, two other tourney teams. If he didn't almost kill the program they should have built a statue of him.
Norm-6 straight years of suck.
Lavin -Bookend 1st round losses.
So saying a 1st round NCAA loss is a good year-which I do that is 7 years of good and 19 years of Suck.
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My p
We were not only competitive under Lavin but made the tourney a few times(this will not turn into, "we should never of fired lavin) and our best stretch in 20 years.
Lets give mullin more "time" cause he sucks in 3 years and by your logic, its ok to suck in 3 years, cause we have not been relevant in 26. Makes a lot of sense.
I did not look it up. Besides Baylor, what program has sucked for 26 years and was turned around in 3 years? Give me some examples.
SMU: Last made tournament in 1993. Then in 2014 made a big run in NIT, and then went to tourney in 2 of 3 years, even with a year in sanctions. Brown salary 1.9 million when he got job.
Providence had not won a game in NCAA tourney since 1997, right about same time as us. Then after multiple bad hires, they brought in Cooley and now they have been consistently good.
There are more examples, but these two jumped out at me right away.
He also exaggerated the length of sucktitude. It hasn't been of any consistency, but the program hasn't sucked for 26 years. Mahoney, Fraschilla, Jarvis, and Lavin all enjoyed some form of success. Whether, it was only one season or more, they all had at least one season of success.
My point is, there are examples of bad programs who turned it around in shorter time whether its 25 years, or 10 years. SJU had a chance to build off what Lavin did and instead brought in a guy who is helping university get more from donors so that they can afford to have updated urinal cakes in bathrooms.
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We were not only competitive under Lavin but made the tourney a few times(this will not turn into, "we should never of fired lavin) and our best stretch in 20 years.
Lets give mullin more "time" cause he sucks in 3 years and by your logic, its ok to suck in 3 years, cause we have not been relevant in 26. Makes a lot of sense.
I did not look it up. Besides Baylor, what program has sucked for 26 years and was turned around in 3 years? Give me some examples.
SMU: Last made tournament in 1993. Then in 2014 made a big run in NIT, and then went to tourney in 2 of 3 years, even with a year in sanctions. Brown salary 1.9 million when he got job.
Providence had not won a game in NCAA tourney since 1997, right about same time as us. Then after multiple bad hires, they brought in Cooley and now they have been consistently good.
There are more examples, but these two jumped out at me right away.
He also exaggerated the length of sucktitude. It hasn't been of any consistency, but the program hasn't sucked for 26 years. Mahoney, Fraschilla, Jarvis, and Lavin all enjoyed some form of success. Whether, it was only one season or more, they had had at least one season of success.
Not at all
Mahoney-One incredible Cain senior year with Louie's leftovers. 2nd round loss. Followed by two absolutely dreadful years.
Fran-1 first round loss-self destructed, was looking to move on and a player told me that if he had lasted much longer there was going to be a full on player revolt.
And I liked Fran
Jarvis-The 2nd most succesful coach of my lifetime. Elite 8 team, two other tourney teams. If he didn't almost kill the program they should have built a statue of him.
Norm-6 straight years of suck.
Lavin -Bookend 1st round losses.
So saying a 1st round NCAA loss is a good year-which I do that is 7 years of good and 19 years of Suck.
"Success" and "sucking" is subjective, as I do agree Maloney and Fraschilla both had one good season, while Jarvis first two seasons were solid, and seasons he had with Hatten (although, they were both frustrating seasons, but did end with an NCAA Tournament bid and an NIT championship) were had some entertainment and fun (mainly, due to Hatten). I wasn't too enthralled about our NIT bid seasons with Lavin, as I thought those should've been NCAA tourney teams (if Harrison wasn't suspended then I felt that team would've gone dancing). We still saw some fun and entertaining teams, and did "dance" twice.
Regardless, the program may have sucked for about 15 or 16 years, but not 19 and certainly not 26. IMO, you have defeatist attitude and deal in fallacies to back up your cynicism.
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My pWe were not only competitive under Lavin but made the tourney a few times(this will not turn into, "we should never of fired lavin) and our best stretch in 20 years.
Lets give mullin more "time" cause he sucks in 3 years and by your logic, its ok to suck in 3 years, cause we have not been relevant in 26. Makes a lot of sense.
I did not look it up. Besides Baylor, what program has sucked for 26 years and was turned around in 3 years? Give me some examples.
SMU: Last made tournament in 1993. Then in 2014 made a big run in NIT, and then went to tourney in 2 of 3 years, even with a year in sanctions. Brown salary 1.9 million when he got job.
Providence had not won a game in NCAA tourney since 1997, right about same time as us. Then after multiple bad hires, they brought in Cooley and now they have been consistently good.
There are more examples, but these two jumped out at me right away.
He also exaggerated the length of sucktitude. It hasn't been of any consistency, but the program hasn't sucked for 26 years. Mahoney, Fraschilla, Jarvis, and Lavin all enjoyed some form of success. Whether, it was only one season or more, they all had at least one season of success.
My point is, there are examples of bad programs who turned it around in shorter time whether its 25 years, or 10 years. SJU had a chance to build off what Lavin did and instead brought in a guy who is helping university get more from donors so that they can afford to have updated urinal cakes in bathrooms.
I was in agreement with you in your earlier post.
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gotcha. I thought so, but had to re read.
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We were not only competitive under Lavin but made the tourney a few times(this will not turn into, "we should never of fired lavin) and our best stretch in 20 years.
Lets give mullin more "time" cause he sucks in 3 years and by your logic, its ok to suck in 3 years, cause we have not been relevant in 26. Makes a lot of sense.
I did not look it up. Besides Baylor, what program has sucked for 26 years and was turned around in 3 years? Give me some examples.
SMU: Last made tournament in 1993. Then in 2014 made a big run in NIT, and then went to tourney in 2 of 3 years, even with a year in sanctions. Brown salary 1.9 million when he got job.
Providence had not won a game in NCAA tourney since 1997, right about same time as us. Then after multiple bad hires, they brought in Cooley and now they have been consistently good.
There are more examples, but these two jumped out at me right away.
He also exaggerated the length of sucktitude. It hasn't been of any consistency, but the program hasn't sucked for 26 years. Mahoney, Fraschilla, Jarvis, and Lavin all enjoyed some form of success. Whether, it was only one season or more, they had had at least one season of success.
Not at all
Mahoney-One incredible Cain senior year with Louie's leftovers. 2nd round loss. Followed by two absolutely dreadful years.
Fran-1 first round loss-self destructed, was looking to move on and a player told me that if he had lasted much longer there was going to be a full on player revolt.
And I liked Fran
Jarvis-The 2nd most succesful coach of my lifetime. Elite 8 team, two other tourney teams. If he didn't almost kill the program they should have built a statue of him.
Norm-6 straight years of suck.
Lavin -Bookend 1st round losses.
So saying a 1st round NCAA loss is a good year-which I do that is 7 years of good and 19 years of Suck.
"Success" and "sucking" is subjective, as I do agree Maloney and Fraschilla both had one good season, while Jarvis first two seasons were solid, and seasons he had with Hatten (although, they were both frustrating seasons, but did end with an NCAA Tournament bid and an NIT championship) were had some entertainment and fun (mainly, due to Hatten). I wasn't too enthralled about our NIT bid seasons with Lavin, as I thought those should've been NCAA tourney teams (if Harrison wasn't suspended then I felt that team would've gone dancing). We still saw some fun and entertaining teams, and did "dance" twice.
Regardless, the program may have sucked for about 15 or 16 years, but not 19 and certainly not 26. IMO, you have defeatist attitude and deal in fallacies to back up your cynicism.
You are confident next hire is the one?
Lavin they could have kept, which I was for but I think it would have ended badly.
6 straight bad hires. What lucky number 7?
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We were not only competitive under Lavin but made the tourney a few times(this will not turn into, "we should never of fired lavin) and our best stretch in 20 years.
Lets give mullin more "time" cause he sucks in 3 years and by your logic, its ok to suck in 3 years, cause we have not been relevant in 26. Makes a lot of sense.
I did not look it up. Besides Baylor, what program has sucked for 26 years and was turned around in 3 years? Give me some examples.
SMU: Last made tournament in 1993. Then in 2014 made a big run in NIT, and then went to tourney in 2 of 3 years, even with a year in sanctions. Brown salary 1.9 million when he got job.
Providence had not won a game in NCAA tourney since 1997, right about same time as us. Then after multiple bad hires, they brought in Cooley and now they have been consistently good.
There are more examples, but these two jumped out at me right away.
He also exaggerated the length of sucktitude. It hasn't been of any consistency, but the program hasn't sucked for 26 years. Mahoney, Fraschilla, Jarvis, and Lavin all enjoyed some form of success. Whether, it was only one season or more, they had had at least one season of success.
Not at all
Mahoney-One incredible Cain senior year with Louie's leftovers. 2nd round loss. Followed by two absolutely dreadful years.
Fran-1 first round loss-self destructed, was looking to move on and a player told me that if he had lasted much longer there was going to be a full on player revolt.
And I liked Fran
Jarvis-The 2nd most succesful coach of my lifetime. Elite 8 team, two other tourney teams. If he didn't almost kill the program they should have built a statue of him.
Norm-6 straight years of suck.
Lavin -Bookend 1st round losses.
So saying a 1st round NCAA loss is a good year-which I do that is 7 years of good and 19 years of Suck.
I didn’t hate norm. I thought he tried and did his best. I liked the DJ class. I enjoyed their sophomore and junior years. Happy to see norm leave. For me that’s 2 more years of not sucking.
Didn’t hate norm - he was given 6 years to rebuild- he never did- if he stayed any longer St. John’s Basketball would have been dead.
New coach- not going to say his name- rebuild over- REBUILD TAKES 1 season- revalant again-
-2 tournaments - should have been more- that’s 5 more years for me of not sucking.
Sucking is this- 1st year- no reason to fire a coach and completely start over- Mullin gets a pass- cupard s And cupboards - cupboards are the reason we lose to incarnate wood- terrible staff- slice- division 1 coach making 2 million can’t break a press by division 2 players- Lovett - Mullin deserves a pass- got absolutely embrassed by Fordham - worst season in school history- Lavin and cupards- Mullin gets a pass- no defense- terrible shot selection
Year 2- cupards and cupboards- German kid comes and leaves, some say he had NBA potential- Amar almost leaves- sima leaves- mussini leaves- Ellison leaves- St. John’s gives up 80 plus a ridiculous amount of times - also gives up 90 plenty- and 100 a few times- we win a few games, which were enjoyable- get absolutely embrassed by nova in big east- that’s sucking- fans overrate one of worst seasons in school history
Year 3- cupards and cupboards- it’s mitch Richmond’s fault- modest staff changes are coming- only year 3 in complete rebuild- over rated weak schedule - over rated defense- Lovett quits- winless through 6 games - will lose #7 tomorrow- St. John’s games irreverent even on Johnny jungle- their is not even a game thread- Mullin gets a pass- cupard’s fault- Rome was not built in a day.
Year 4- new coach and we rebuild- or suck for another year-
Sorry for spelling errors or any other mistakes- I am at a school assembly - just some thoughts
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We were not only competitive under Lavin but made the tourney a few times(this will not turn into, "we should never of fired lavin) and our best stretch in 20 years.
Lets give mullin more "time" cause he sucks in 3 years and by your logic, its ok to suck in 3 years, cause we have not been relevant in 26. Makes a lot of sense.
I did not look it up. Besides Baylor, what program has sucked for 26 years and was turned around in 3 years? Give me some examples.
SMU: Last made tournament in 1993. Then in 2014 made a big run in NIT, and then went to tourney in 2 of 3 years, even with a year in sanctions. Brown salary 1.9 million when he got job.
Providence had not won a game in NCAA tourney since 1997, right about same time as us. Then after multiple bad hires, they brought in Cooley and now they have been consistently good.
There are more examples, but these two jumped out at me right away.
He also exaggerated the length of sucktitude. It hasn't been of any consistency, but the program hasn't sucked for 26 years. Mahoney, Fraschilla, Jarvis, and Lavin all enjoyed some form of success. Whether, it was only one season or more, they had had at least one season of success.
Not at all
Mahoney-One incredible Cain senior year with Louie's leftovers. 2nd round loss. Followed by two absolutely dreadful years.
Fran-1 first round loss-self destructed, was looking to move on and a player told me that if he had lasted much longer there was going to be a full on player revolt.
And I liked Fran
Jarvis-The 2nd most succesful coach of my lifetime. Elite 8 team, two other tourney teams. If he didn't almost kill the program they should have built a statue of him.
Norm-6 straight years of suck.
Lavin -Bookend 1st round losses.
So saying a 1st round NCAA loss is a good year-which I do that is 7 years of good and 19 years of Suck.
"Success" and "sucking" is subjective, as I do agree Maloney and Fraschilla both had one good season, while Jarvis first two seasons were solid, and seasons he had with Hatten (although, they were both frustrating seasons, but did end with an NCAA Tournament bid and an NIT championship) were had some entertainment and fun (mainly, due to Hatten). I wasn't too enthralled about our NIT bid seasons with Lavin, as I thought those should've been NCAA tourney teams (if Harrison wasn't suspended then I felt that team would've gone dancing). We still saw some fun and entertaining teams, and did "dance" twice.
Regardless, the program may have sucked for about 15 or 16 years, but not 19 and certainly not 26. IMO, you have defeatist attitude and deal in fallacies to back up your cynicism.
And not"defeatist", realist. If we were a good program than yes Mullin should probably be fired after the season. W are not that so why not give the best player in program history another year before we start another rebuild? If next year's incoming class is ok and Ponds stays we have a shot at maybe making the tourney. Starting over probably 0 chance of that.
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This is silly . I am done arguing. Either he quits and we start over. Or he comes back and we lose again. Nothing to debate.
No. Why be such an absolutist? Why can you just acknowledge this season is toast, relax about it... it's like crying over split milk at this point.... just evaluate the coaching when he's had a full season or two. I would argue for next two seasons.
I get it, one could argue the team should have had more depth this year...but guess what it didn't. We all deal with disappointment, or not meeting expectations at work, or in life, etc....so it didn't happen this year. big deal. Just see what happens with a full roster the next two season.
It's all about the next two years with a full roster.
Do you not acknowledge the team would have performed better, if the coaches had more players? I think it would be preposterous to argue that the performance wouldn't have been better.
Maybe Mullin stinks. I don't know. None of us know - because the team so short handed.
We just have sing that same old song.. wait until next year.
What if he stinks because he’s short handed? The person who left him short handed is responsible. I hope we figure out who did that to Mullin, but we may need help in solving the mystery.
Sunk cost. Canning him for the bad roster this year is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You have a full roster on the horizon.
Canning him would guarantee an empty roster next year.
Keeping him gives you a full, or at least we hope, a full balanced roster next year.
Do you not acknowledge that?
I didn’t say he should be canned because he was so arrogant and lazy that the team was left without enough players to field a competitive team.
This is year 3 and we’re destroyed at home vs DePaul. Isn’t this why the University moved on from Lavin after 5 years? If we’re seeing a staff take the summer off now why don’t we move on from them and hire professionals who understand how hard you have to work to win in the BE?
In terms of players leaving if Mullin is canned, I can live with it, but I don’t think that will necessarily happen if the University hires the right consultant group to help them make their decision. Clearly, they are incapable of this kind of thinking on their own.
If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
NIT enough for you next year or no?
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
NIT enough for you next year or no?
17-14 NIT would be bad but better, 20 -11 NIT would be good but not great. I just want to watch good basketball. I might be a naif but roster shortcomings aside they looked good enough early to be competitive in the league. I don't see the glaring X and O deficiencies others see, I see (a) a system that makes fans uncomfortable and (b) a lack of execution. So if he makes the NIT with his first class of juniors he should get to coach his seniors. Even if he doesn't I don't think they'll ever fire him as long as he continues to recruit at a high level.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
NIT enough for you next year or no?
17-14 NIT would be bad but better, 20 -11 NIT would be good but not great. I just want to watch good basketball. I might be a naif but roster shortcomings aside they looked good enough early to be competitive in the league. I don't see the glaring X and O deficiencies others see, I see (a) a system that makes fans uncomfortable and (b) a lack of execution. So if he makes the NIT with his first class of juniors he should get to coach his seniors. Even if he doesn't I don't think they'll ever fire him as long as he continues to recruit at a high level.
More or less my thoughts.
We go 2-16 in BE this year change that a little?
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
His brother also is doing fine recruiting guys to ASU.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
I for one am not sold on the Hurley's but that is neither here nor there.
There also seems to be conflicting reports that Danny would think ST John's as a desirable destination. And even if he did 3 or 4 years ago might not now.
Plus there will be compensation issue.
Hope I am wrong but I see Cluess or some mid major coach. Don't think you can fire Chris Mullin and replace him with an assistant somewhere else.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
NIT enough for you next year or no?
17-14 NIT would be bad but better, 20 -11 NIT would be good but not great. I just want to watch good basketball. I might be a naif but roster shortcomings aside they looked good enough early to be competitive in the league. I don't see the glaring X and O deficiencies others see, I see (a) a system that makes fans uncomfortable and (b) a lack of execution. So if he makes the NIT with his first class of juniors he should get to coach his seniors. Even if he doesn't I don't think they'll ever fire him as long as he continues to recruit at a high level.
More or less my thoughts.
We go 2-16 in BE this year change that a little?
No. I'm assuming they're not going to wina bunch of games.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
You put this team in A10 w/o Lovett and we are middle of the pack at very least.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
You put this team in A10 w/o Lovett and we are middle of the pack at very least.
Since 2015 RI has recruited 1 4-star, 4 3-star, a 2-star and 4 no star recruits. They have two 4 star and two 3 star commits. OTOH they have 9 upperclassmen. All of Mullin's players - including 7 four star recruits - have been in the program less than three years. Except stupid Alibeowitz obviously.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
Last years 2nd leading scorer and arguably best player was a Staten Island kid that if Mullin signed the whole board would have been in an uproar.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
Ponds is one of the better players I've seen watching SJ play for 40 years. If RI had better players then him by a decent margin they should fire Hurley, because he's underachieving.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
You put this team in A10 w/o Lovett and we are middle of the pack at very least.
Since 2015 RI has recruited 1 4-star, 4 3-star, a 2-star and 4 no star recruits. They have two 4 star and two 3 star commits. OTOH they have 9 upperclassmen. All of Mullin's players - including 7 four star recruits - have been in the program less than three years. Except stupid Alibeowitz obviously.
Developing players is a wonderful thing isn't it? Maybe we'll figure that out one day.
So either URI has more talent than SJU or Hurley is doing a far superior job with less talent than Mullin is with more talent. Which one is it?
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
Ponds is one of the better players I've seen watching SJ play for 40 years. If RI had better players then him by a decent margin they should fire Hurley, because he's underachieving.
Ponds is the best player of the two teams. After him the next 4 or 5 best players belong to URI. They are the clear cut favorite to win the A10 and will be in the NCAA Tournament regardless. I think Hurley is doing just fine
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
You put this team in A10 w/o Lovett and we are middle of the pack at very least.
Since 2015 RI has recruited 1 4-star, 4 3-star, a 2-star and 4 no star recruits. They have two 4 star and two 3 star commits. OTOH they have 9 upperclassmen. All of Mullin's players - including 7 four star recruits - have been in the program less than three years. Except stupid Alibeowitz obviously.
Developing players is a wonderful thing isn't it? Maybe we'll figure that out one day.
So either URI has more talent than SJU or Hurley is doing a far superior job with less talent than Mullin is with more talent. Which one is it?
Being in an inferior Conference has nothing to do with it in your mind?
Mullin has not done well. But he is in BE not A10 or Northeast Conference.
Cluess has had a lot of success no one wants him. Guys falling in love with the name because of his father and maybe brother as college player.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
I hate double posting but it occurs to me that we've finally discovered something that makes you happy: Rhode Island's recruiting.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
You put this team in A10 w/o Lovett and we are middle of the pack at very least.
Since 2015 RI has recruited 1 4-star, 4 3-star, a 2-star and 4 no star recruits. They have two 4 star and two 3 star commits. OTOH they have 9 upperclassmen. All of Mullin's players - including 7 four star recruits - have been in the program less than three years. Except stupid Alibeowitz obviously.
Developing players is a wonderful thing isn't it? Maybe we'll figure that out one day.
So either URI has more talent than SJU or Hurley is doing a far superior job with less talent than Mullin is with more talent. Which one is it?
Being in an inferior Conference has nothing to do with it in your mind?
Mullin has not done well. But he is in BE not A10 or Northeast Conference.
Cluess has had a lot of success no one wants him. Guys falling in love with the name because of his father and maybe brother as college player.
Correct. The A10 is inferior than the BE but it not the MAAC or NEC. Analytics sites like KenPom adjust their numbers for quality of opponent and all that and Rhode Island is the 34th best team in the country there. SJU is 78th. Nobody that actually watches college basketball would argue this SJU team is better than URI. That was even before the 6 game losing streak
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
I hate double posting but it occurs to me that we've finally discovered something that makes you happy: Rhode Island's recruiting.
We'd all kill to have the success URI has enjoyed under Hurley here
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
Ponds is one of the better players I've seen watching SJ play for 40 years. If RI had better players then him by a decent margin they should fire Hurley, because he's underachieving.
Ponds is the best player of the two teams. After him the next 4 or 5 best players belong to URI. They are the clear cut favorite to win the A10 and will be in the NCAA Tournament regardless. I think Hurley is doing just fine
I don't care who's the favorite in the mighty A 10 or how Hurley's doing. Please name the five players who are better than Simon and Lovett, because I looked at the team stats and nobody's jumping out at me.
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Again you guys take one point and then completely blow it out of proportion.
Hurley beat Providence and SHU without Matthews in the lineup. And Jared Terrell is a better guard than Ponds or Lovett or anyone Chris Mullin has recruited. And yes right now, I think URI's roster is better than SJU. I think they could win 10+ games in the BE this year.
Now would he translate that success to SJU and recruit at an even higher level CONSISTENTLY, that is a big question because he would have to.
But obviously that is what happens and is expected when you hire a coach at a slightly lower level. Fran did not recruit MAAC level players to SJU. Shaka Smart recruited Mohammad Bamba to Texas, he could not do that at VCU. Wade is not recruiting the same caliber of players to LSU he did at VCU (see Naz Reid).
I don't have the answer for Danny (he may suck) but his roster right now is better, there is no doubt. And there is no way he would be 0-6 with that URI roster in the Big East right now, no way. No way they lose to DePaul or Georgetown.
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Again you guys take one point and then completely blow it out of proportion.
Hurley beat Providence and SHU without Matthews in the lineup. And Jared Terrell is a better guard than Ponds or Lovett or anyone Chris Mullin has recruited. And yes right now, I think URI's roster is better than SJU. I think they could win 10+ games in the BE this year.
Now would he translate that success to SJU and recruit at an even higher level CONSISTENTLY, that is a big question because he would have to.
But obviously that is what happens and is expected when you hire a coach at a slightly lower level. Fran did not recruit MAAC level players to SJU. Shaka Smart recruited Mohammad Bamba to Texas, he could not do that at VCU. Wade is not recruiting the same caliber of players to LSU he did at VCU (see Naz Reid).
I don't have the answer for Danny (he may suck) but his roster right now is better, there is no doubt. And there is no way he would be 0-6 with that URI roster in the Big East right now, no way. No way they lose to DePaul or Georgetown.
My only point is it is easier to coach in A10. Would you disagree. URI is better than us. But you put our current roster in A10 and we are significantly better than we are.
And on recruiting point which was valid, is ST John's a more desired destination than URI for recruits?
Mullin might suck. Just not convinced Danny Hurley won't either. And I am not convinced he would come or we would pay him enough to come but one problem at a time.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
You put this team in A10 w/o Lovett and we are middle of the pack at very least.
Since 2015 RI has recruited 1 4-star, 4 3-star, a 2-star and 4 no star recruits. They have two 4 star and two 3 star commits. OTOH they have 9 upperclassmen. All of Mullin's players - including 7 four star recruits - have been in the program less than three years. Except stupid Alibeowitz obviously.
Developing players is a wonderful thing isn't it? Maybe we'll figure that out one day.
So either URI has more talent than SJU or Hurley is doing a far superior job with less talent than Mullin is with more talent. Which one is it?
Hurley's doing a better job with less talent in a worse conference, so what. Nobody's arguing that Mullin's tearing it up.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
Ponds is one of the better players I've seen watching SJ play for 40 years. If RI had better players then him by a decent margin they should fire Hurley, because he's underachieving.
Ponds is the best player of the two teams. After him the next 4 or 5 best players belong to URI. They are the clear cut favorite to win the A10 and will be in the NCAA Tournament regardless. I think Hurley is doing just fine
I don't care who's the favorite in the mighty A 10 or how Hurley's doing. Please name the five players who are better than Simon and Lovett, because I looked at the team stats and nobody's jumping out at me.
EC Matthews, Jared Terrell and Jarvis Garrett are all better than Simon and don't puss out on their team like Lovett, and could argue that they are all better than him anyway. Jeff Dowtin and Stanford Robinson are better than Mussini/Trimble/Dixon or whatever SJU guard you want to name that played recently, is playing now or will play soon. Andre Berry is a solid big that doesn't get pushed around like Owens does
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Again you guys take one point and then completely blow it out of proportion.
Hurley beat Providence and SHU without Matthews in the lineup. And Jared Terrell is a better guard than Ponds or Lovett or anyone Chris Mullin has recruited. And yes right now, I think URI's roster is better than SJU. I think they could win 10+ games in the BE this year.
Now would he translate that success to SJU and recruit at an even higher level CONSISTENTLY, that is a big question because he would have to.
But obviously that is what happens and is expected when you hire a coach at a slightly lower level. Fran did not recruit MAAC level players to SJU. Shaka Smart recruited Mohammad Bamba to Texas, he could not do that at VCU. Wade is not recruiting the same caliber of players to LSU he did at VCU (see Naz Reid).
I don't have the answer for Danny (he may suck) but his roster right now is better, there is no doubt. And there is no way he would be 0-6 with that URI roster in the Big East right now, no way. No way they lose to DePaul or Georgetown.
My only point is it is easier to coach in A10. Would you disagree. URI is better than us. But you put our current roster in A10 and we are significantly better than we are.
And on recruiting point which was valid, is ST John's a more desired destination than URI for recruits?
Mullin might suck. Just not convinced Danny Hurley won't either. And I am not convinced he would come or we would pay him enough to come but one problem at a time.
That's fair, but it also harder to recruit to an A10 program in the middle of Rhode Island than it is to a Big East program in NYC. URI beat Providence and SHU this year, something we probably won't do when given 2 tries
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
Ponds is one of the better players I've seen watching SJ play for 40 years. If RI had better players then him by a decent margin they should fire Hurley, because he's underachieving.
Ponds is the best player of the two teams. After him the next 4 or 5 best players belong to URI. They are the clear cut favorite to win the A10 and will be in the NCAA Tournament regardless. I think Hurley is doing just fine
I don't care who's the favorite in the mighty A 10 or how Hurley's doing. Please name the five players who are better than Simon and Lovett, because I looked at the team stats and nobody's jumping out at me.
EC Matthews, Jared Terrell and Jarvis Garrett are all better than Simon and don't puss out on their team like Lovett, and could argue that they are all better than him anyway. Jeff Dowtin and Stanford Robinson are better than Mussini/Trimble/Dixon or whatever SJU guard you want to name that played recently, is playing now or will play soon. Andre Berry is a solid big that doesn't get pushed around like Owens does
Lovett was doing what was best for the Lovett family.
Can't kill him and then bash Chris Mullin and want him fired after 3 years.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
Ponds is one of the better players I've seen watching SJ play for 40 years. If RI had better players then him by a decent margin they should fire Hurley, because he's underachieving.
Ponds is the best player of the two teams. After him the next 4 or 5 best players belong to URI. They are the clear cut favorite to win the A10 and will be in the NCAA Tournament regardless. I think Hurley is doing just fine
I don't care who's the favorite in the mighty A 10 or how Hurley's doing. Please name the five players who are better than Simon and Lovett, because I looked at the team stats and nobody's jumping out at me.
EC Matthews, Jared Terrell and Jarvis Garrett are all better than Simon and don't puss out on their team like Lovett, and could argue that they are all better than him anyway. Jeff Dowtin and Stanford Robinson are better than Mussini/Trimble/Dixon or whatever SJU guard you want to name that played recently, is playing now or will play soon. Andre Berry is a solid big that doesn't get pushed around like Owens does
Jarvis Garrett averages 7 points and 2 rebounds a game in 25 minutes. Simon averages 11 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists and three steals in 35 minutes. Lovett averaged 15 points and 2 rebounds in 32 minutes. By what metric is he better than those two. Try and work KenPom into it.
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Again you guys take one point and then completely blow it out of proportion.
Hurley beat Providence and SHU without Matthews in the lineup. And Jared Terrell is a better guard than Ponds or Lovett or anyone Chris Mullin has recruited. And yes right now, I think URI's roster is better than SJU. I think they could win 10+ games in the BE this year.
Now would he translate that success to SJU and recruit at an even higher level CONSISTENTLY, that is a big question because he would have to.
But obviously that is what happens and is expected when you hire a coach at a slightly lower level. Fran did not recruit MAAC level players to SJU. Shaka Smart recruited Mohammad Bamba to Texas, he could not do that at VCU. Wade is not recruiting the same caliber of players to LSU he did at VCU (see Naz Reid).
I don't have the answer for Danny (he may suck) but his roster right now is better, there is no doubt. And there is no way he would be 0-6 with that URI roster in the Big East right now, no way. No way they lose to DePaul or Georgetown.
He also is a solid in game coach, which Mullin is probably in the lowest 10% of in all of college basketball.
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Again you guys take one point and then completely blow it out of proportion.
Hurley beat Providence and SHU without Matthews in the lineup. And Jared Terrell is a better guard than Ponds or Lovett or anyone Chris Mullin has recruited. And yes right now, I think URI's roster is better than SJU. I think they could win 10+ games in the BE this year.
Now would he translate that success to SJU and recruit at an even higher level CONSISTENTLY, that is a big question because he would have to.
But obviously that is what happens and is expected when you hire a coach at a slightly lower level. Fran did not recruit MAAC level players to SJU. Shaka Smart recruited Mohammad Bamba to Texas, he could not do that at VCU. Wade is not recruiting the same caliber of players to LSU he did at VCU (see Naz Reid).
I don't have the answer for Danny (he may suck) but his roster right now is better, there is no doubt. And there is no way he would be 0-6 with that URI roster in the Big East right now, no way. No way they lose to DePaul or Georgetown.
RI's roster is obviously better. Hurley has nine upperclassmen. St John's barely has nine players.
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Again you guys take one point and then completely blow it out of proportion.
Hurley beat Providence and SHU without Matthews in the lineup. And Jared Terrell is a better guard than Ponds or Lovett or anyone Chris Mullin has recruited. And yes right now, I think URI's roster is better than SJU. I think they could win 10+ games in the BE this year.
Now would he translate that success to SJU and recruit at an even higher level CONSISTENTLY, that is a big question because he would have to.
But obviously that is what happens and is expected when you hire a coach at a slightly lower level. Fran did not recruit MAAC level players to SJU. Shaka Smart recruited Mohammad Bamba to Texas, he could not do that at VCU. Wade is not recruiting the same caliber of players to LSU he did at VCU (see Naz Reid).
I don't have the answer for Danny (he may suck) but his roster right now is better, there is no doubt. And there is no way he would be 0-6 with that URI roster in the Big East right now, no way. No way they lose to DePaul or Georgetown.
He also is a solid in game coach, which Mullin is probably in the lowest 10% of in all of college basketball.
Not even sure Mullin actually coaches the team but I didn't realize Rhode Island games were on TV so much that you came to this conclusion. He had the one good year at Wagner but his 13-17 season I did not feel like I was watching Gregg Popovich. And I saw a bunch of his games. All relative.
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Again you guys take one point and then completely blow it out of proportion.
Hurley beat Providence and SHU without Matthews in the lineup. And Jared Terrell is a better guard than Ponds or Lovett or anyone Chris Mullin has recruited. And yes right now, I think URI's roster is better than SJU. I think they could win 10+ games in the BE this year.
Now would he translate that success to SJU and recruit at an even higher level CONSISTENTLY, that is a big question because he would have to.
But obviously that is what happens and is expected when you hire a coach at a slightly lower level. Fran did not recruit MAAC level players to SJU. Shaka Smart recruited Mohammad Bamba to Texas, he could not do that at VCU. Wade is not recruiting the same caliber of players to LSU he did at VCU (see Naz Reid).
I don't have the answer for Danny (he may suck) but his roster right now is better, there is no doubt. And there is no way he would be 0-6 with that URI roster in the Big East right now, no way. No way they lose to DePaul or Georgetown.
RI's roster is obviously better. Hurley has nine upperclassmen. St John's barely has nine players.
Exactly, he has recruited better. They aren't just better because they are upperclassman. That's nonsense. What were they last year, or the year before. Better rosters for 3 straight years.
But that is not the point.
I don't know if he would definitely recruit better but I think you combine some success he has had at URI with a better and bigger conference and recruiting budget and I think it is more than plausible.
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Again you guys take one point and then completely blow it out of proportion.
Hurley beat Providence and SHU without Matthews in the lineup. And Jared Terrell is a better guard than Ponds or Lovett or anyone Chris Mullin has recruited. And yes right now, I think URI's roster is better than SJU. I think they could win 10+ games in the BE this year.
Now would he translate that success to SJU and recruit at an even higher level CONSISTENTLY, that is a big question because he would have to.
But obviously that is what happens and is expected when you hire a coach at a slightly lower level. Fran did not recruit MAAC level players to SJU. Shaka Smart recruited Mohammad Bamba to Texas, he could not do that at VCU. Wade is not recruiting the same caliber of players to LSU he did at VCU (see Naz Reid).
I don't have the answer for Danny (he may suck) but his roster right now is better, there is no doubt. And there is no way he would be 0-6 with that URI roster in the Big East right now, no way. No way they lose to DePaul or Georgetown.
My only point is it is easier to coach in A10. Would you disagree. URI is better than us. But you put our current roster in A10 and we are significantly better than we are.
And on recruiting point which was valid, is ST John's a more desired destination than URI for recruits?
Mullin might suck. Just not convinced Danny Hurley won't either. And I am not convinced he would come or we would pay him enough to come but one problem at a time.
I have no idea what that point means because it is irrelevant. No I don't believe it is easier just proportional.
URI is probably the 4th or 5th best job in the A-10. SJU is significantly bigger and better. SJU would be the best job in the A-10 by a mile. Stop with this stupid nonsense.
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
Ponds is one of the better players I've seen watching SJ play for 40 years. If RI had better players then him by a decent margin they should fire Hurley, because he's underachieving.
Ponds is the best player of the two teams. After him the next 4 or 5 best players belong to URI. They are the clear cut favorite to win the A10 and will be in the NCAA Tournament regardless. I think Hurley is doing just fine
I don't care who's the favorite in the mighty A 10 or how Hurley's doing. Please name the five players who are better than Simon and Lovett, because I looked at the team stats and nobody's jumping out at me.
EC Matthews, Jared Terrell and Jarvis Garrett are all better than Simon and don't puss out on their team like Lovett, and could argue that they are all better than him anyway. Jeff Dowtin and Stanford Robinson are better than Mussini/Trimble/Dixon or whatever SJU guard you want to name that played recently, is playing now or will play soon. Andre Berry is a solid big that doesn't get pushed around like Owens does
Jarvis Garrett averages 7 points and 2 rebounds a game in 25 minutes. Simon averages 11 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists and three steals in 35 minutes. Lovett averaged 15 points and 2 rebounds in 32 minutes. By what metric is he better than those two. Try and work KenPom into it.
Jarvis Garrett is better at almost every advanced analytic than Simon is.
Jarvis Garrett has an offensive rating of 109. Simon is 100. That's a big difference
Garrett's effective FG% is 54%. Simon's is 48. Huge difference
Garrett has a turnover rate of 18. Simon's is 21.
Simon is a slightly better rebounder and passer than Garrett. Teams actually have to guard Garrett out by the 3 point line though since he can actually make a 3
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Again you guys take one point and then completely blow it out of proportion.
Hurley beat Providence and SHU without Matthews in the lineup. And Jared Terrell is a better guard than Ponds or Lovett or anyone Chris Mullin has recruited. And yes right now, I think URI's roster is better than SJU. I think they could win 10+ games in the BE this year.
Now would he translate that success to SJU and recruit at an even higher level CONSISTENTLY, that is a big question because he would have to.
But obviously that is what happens and is expected when you hire a coach at a slightly lower level. Fran did not recruit MAAC level players to SJU. Shaka Smart recruited Mohammad Bamba to Texas, he could not do that at VCU. Wade is not recruiting the same caliber of players to LSU he did at VCU (see Naz Reid).
I don't have the answer for Danny (he may suck) but his roster right now is better, there is no doubt. And there is no way he would be 0-6 with that URI roster in the Big East right now, no way. No way they lose to DePaul or Georgetown.
My only point is it is easier to coach in A10. Would you disagree. URI is better than us. But you put our current roster in A10 and we are significantly better than we are.
And on recruiting point which was valid, is ST John's a more desired destination than URI for recruits?
Mullin might suck. Just not convinced Danny Hurley won't either. And I am not convinced he would come or we would pay him enough to come but one problem at a time.
I have no idea what that point means because it is irrelevant. No I don't believe it is easier just proportional.
URI is probably the 4th or 5th best job in the A-10. SJU is significantly bigger and better. SJU would be the best job in the A-10 by a mile. Stop with this stupid nonsense.
Outside of Lavin's first class, who has recruited well here? Fran 18 years ago?
Now if you told me Hurley will be able to recruit smarter than the previous ST John's coaches, I could buy that.
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Exactly, he has recruited better.
He hasn't recruited better. He's constructed a better roster. It's not the same thing.
They aren't just better because they are upperclassman. That's nonsense. .
Is it? Lou rarely played underclassmen, even good ones. Lavin made the tournament twice, both time with senior laden rosters. George Mason made the final four run with seven upperclassmen. Does that mean Jim Larranga recruited better than Roy Williams or was he a better coach than Williams. Or did he go six deep with players with three and four years of practice, weights, and system. Experience makes an enormous difference. That's the whole point of college: you study something and become more expert at it as times goes on. That's not to say that every team with seniors wins, but it's a huge advantage unless you recruit the way Calipari does.
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If Joe Blow with a 138-100 career record and One NCAA appearance coaching at Wagner and URI was brought up as a possible replacement, no one on here would be happy!
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
Ponds is one of the better players I've seen watching SJ play for 40 years. If RI had better players then him by a decent margin they should fire Hurley, because he's underachieving.
Ponds is the best player of the two teams. After him the next 4 or 5 best players belong to URI. They are the clear cut favorite to win the A10 and will be in the NCAA Tournament regardless. I think Hurley is doing just fine
I don't care who's the favorite in the mighty A 10 or how Hurley's doing. Please name the five players who are better than Simon and Lovett, because I looked at the team stats and nobody's jumping out at me.
EC Matthews, Jared Terrell and Jarvis Garrett are all better than Simon and don't puss out on their team like Lovett, and could argue that they are all better than him anyway. Jeff Dowtin and Stanford Robinson are better than Mussini/Trimble/Dixon or whatever SJU guard you want to name that played recently, is playing now or will play soon. Andre Berry is a solid big that doesn't get pushed around like Owens does
Jarvis Garrett averages 7 points and 2 rebounds a game in 25 minutes. Simon averages 11 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists and three steals in 35 minutes. Lovett averaged 15 points and 2 rebounds in 32 minutes. By what metric is he better than those two. Try and work KenPom into it.
Jarvis Garrett is better at almost every advanced analytic than Simon is.
Jarvis Garrett has an offensive rating of 109. Simon is 100. That's a big difference
Garrett's effective FG% is 54%. Simon's is 48. Huge difference
Garrett has a turnover rate of 18. Simon's is 21.
Simon is a slightly better rebounder and passer than Garrett. Teams actually have to guard Garrett out by the 3 point line though since he can actually make a 3
Yes, advanced analytics. I could not be less interested in advanced analytics. One players averages 7 points and 2 rebounds a game. The other guy averages 11 points and 7 rebounds. If advanced analytics tell you that player 1 is better than player 2, advanced analytics is lying to you.
I am curious though. The difference between .54 and .48 is .06. On what planet does point oh six comprise "huge." Are we shooting a rocket to the moon? Because outside that I can't think of too many circumstances.
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If Joe Blow with a 138-100 career record and One NCAA appearance coaching at Wagner and URI was brought up as a possible replacement, no one on here would be happy!
Then those people are idiots. 138-100 at those two schools with how bad they were when he got there is actually pretty impressive. Who else do you realistically want that would actually come here? Take a chance on a young hungry guy that has proven he can win. Maybe he'll work out and maybe he won't, but nobody better is coming here.
It's all pointless anyway since Mullin isn't going anywhere anytime soon
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If they fired the face of the franchise after having fired the last 5 coaches, on what basis would you expect any worthwhile kid to come here.
What four or five star recruit wouldn't want to come to Jamaica to play for Danny Hurley. I think you're underestimating his cachet.
I'm not suggesting Danny is the answer but his roster at URI is better than SJU. And I assume with some better funding and better conference he could recruit at an even higher level at SJU, maybe/maybe not.
So to answer your question, the same amount if not more that are going to Kingston, Rhode Island.
Haven't seen them play. RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
Yes. By a decent margin
Ponds is one of the better players I've seen watching SJ play for 40 years. If RI had better players then him by a decent margin they should fire Hurley, because he's underachieving.
Ponds is the best player of the two teams. After him the next 4 or 5 best players belong to URI. They are the clear cut favorite to win the A10 and will be in the NCAA Tournament regardless. I think Hurley is doing just fine
I don't care who's the favorite in the mighty A 10 or how Hurley's doing. Please name the five players who are better than Simon and Lovett, because I looked at the team stats and nobody's jumping out at me.
EC Matthews, Jared Terrell and Jarvis Garrett are all better than Simon and don't puss out on their team like Lovett, and could argue that they are all better than him anyway. Jeff Dowtin and Stanford Robinson are better than Mussini/Trimble/Dixon or whatever SJU guard you want to name that played recently, is playing now or will play soon. Andre Berry is a solid big that doesn't get pushed around like Owens does
Jarvis Garrett averages 7 points and 2 rebounds a game in 25 minutes. Simon averages 11 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists and three steals in 35 minutes. Lovett averaged 15 points and 2 rebounds in 32 minutes. By what metric is he better than those two. Try and work KenPom into it.
Jarvis Garrett is better at almost every advanced analytic than Simon is.
Jarvis Garrett has an offensive rating of 109. Simon is 100. That's a big difference
Garrett's effective FG% is 54%. Simon's is 48. Huge difference
Garrett has a turnover rate of 18. Simon's is 21.
Simon is a slightly better rebounder and passer than Garrett. Teams actually have to guard Garrett out by the 3 point line though since he can actually make a 3
Yes, advanced analytics. I could not be less interested in advanced analytics. One players averages 7 points and 2 rebounds a game. The other guy averages 11 points and 7 rebounds. If advanced analytics tell you that player 1 is better than player 2, advanced analytics is lying to you.
I am curious though. The difference between .54 and .48 is .06. On what planet does point oh six comprise "huge." Are we shooting a rocket to the moon? Because outside that I can't think of too many circumstances.
Just looking at points and rebounds per game to determine who is a better player is probably the stupidest thing one can do. Since Garrett is the 4th best player on his team he's not going to get as many chances to score as the 2nd best player on another team. Simple common sense which apparently you have none of when it comes to basketball
Durand Johnson averaged 12 points a game in his season here. There were probably 100 players averaging 5 points or less per game that year that were better than him
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If Joe Blow with a 138-100 career record and One NCAA appearance coaching at Wagner and URI was brought up as a possible replacement, no one on here would be happy!
Yeah and if Joe Blow was the coach of St. John's and was 32-51 overall and 8-34(!!!) in Big East games I'm sure you'd also be on board with wanting him fired too.
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Foad is stat happy which is great because at least one of our fans is happy about something.
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Just looking at points and rebounds per game to determine who is a better player is probably the stupidest thing one can do. Since Garrett is the 4th best player on his team he's not going to get as many chances to score as the 2nd best player on another team. Simple common sense which apparently you have none of when it comes to basketball
Justin Simon makes 46 shots for every 100 he takes. Jarvis Garret makes 45 of every 100 he takes. Advanced analytics tells us that 45 of 100 is much better than 46 of 100 by a "huge" margin. I don't need common sense to know that's bullshit. I will refrain from calling you stupid though, that would be rude.
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Other than a handful of fans on the internet, next to nobody is calling for Mullin to go. I doubt there are many, if any at all, influential folks around the program calling for a coaching change.
Realistic expectations heading into this season were 17-19 wins and competing for a bid. That was with a healthy team and, as many have pointed out, the risk of significant injury came back to bite. The staff knowingly took on that risk because building a balanced, stable program takes more than 2 recruiting classes. If we convinced Darien Williams and Malik Ellison to stay, or added a low-major grad transfer big man, perhaps we'd have 2 more wins at this point.
I, too, am underwhelmed by Mullin's coaching this season. But he is not on the hot seat. Even if there was a legitimate basis to get rid of him, the university made a substantial financial commitment that is pretty hard to unwind at this stage. Moreover, does anyone think next year's roster lacks depth and balance? Keeping Ponds is key, obviously. Next season, the leap to national relevance must be taken.
By the way, St John's would be a top 3 A10 team right now (KenPom), and Jared Terrell is not better than Ponds or Simon despite being nearly 23 years old.
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Other than a handful of fans on the internet, next to nobody is calling for Mullin to go. I doubt there are many, if any at all, influential folks around the program calling for a coaching change.
Realistic expectations heading into this season were 17-19 wins and competing for a bid. That was with a healthy team and, as many have pointed out, the risk of significant injury came back to bite. The staff knowingly took on that risk because building a balanced, stable program takes more than 2 recruiting classes. If we convinced Darien Williams and Malik Ellison to stay, or added a low-major grad transfer big man, perhaps we'd have 2 more wins at this point.
I, too, am underwhelmed by Mullin's coaching this season. But he is not on the hot seat. Even if there was a legitimate basis to get rid of him, the university made a substantial financial commitment that is pretty hard to unwind at this stage. Moreover, does anyone think next year's roster lacks depth and balance? Keeping Ponds is key, obviously. Next season, the leap to national relevance must be taken.
By the way, St John's would be a top 3 A10 team right now (KenPom), and Jared Terrell is not better than Ponds or Simon despite being nearly 23 years old.
Correction. We'd be 4th in the A10 per KenPom.
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If Joe Blow with a 138-100 career record and One NCAA appearance coaching at Wagner and URI was brought up as a possible replacement, no one on here would be happy!
Then those people are idiots. 138-100 at those two schools with how bad they were when he got there is actually pretty impressive. Who else do you realistically want that would actually come here? Take a chance on a young hungry guy that has proven he can win. Maybe he'll work out and maybe he won't, but nobody better is coming here.
It's all pointless anyway since Mullin isn't going anywhere anytime soon
Tim Cluess 169-85 with 4 NCAA's. I guess he should be front runner.
Heck Bashir Mason who took over for Hurley is 94-72
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By the way, St John's would be a top 3 A10 team right now (KenPom),
Good old KenPom to the rescue. I love that guy.
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Please tell me where Ponds is going? He is not an NBA player, not now, not ever, unless he becomes a legit point guard. As I stated in an earlier post. More bodies, does not equal more wins.
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Please tell me where Ponds is going? He is not an NBA player, not now, not ever, unless he becomes a legit point guard. As I stated in an earlier post. More bodies, does not equal more wins.
Marillac and Mase jr are getting very angry
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Most agree he picked a bad staff.
No one thinks he can coach.
Plenty of players have transferred.
Almost all agree the players who have been in the program haven’t gotten better- amar yakwe
Why should he come back?
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Other than a handful of fans on the internet, next to nobody is calling for Mullin to go. I doubt there are many, if any at all, influential folks around the program calling for a coaching change.
Realistic expectations heading into this season were 17-19 wins and competing for a bid. That was with a healthy team and, as many have pointed out, the risk of significant injury came back to bite. The staff knowingly took on that risk because building a balanced, stable program takes more than 2 recruiting classes. If we convinced Darien Williams and Malik Ellison to stay, or added a low-major grad transfer big man, perhaps we'd have 2 more wins at this point.
I, too, am underwhelmed by Mullin's coaching this season. But he is not on the hot seat. Even if there was a legitimate basis to get rid of him, the university made a substantial financial commitment that is pretty hard to unwind at this stage. Moreover, does anyone think next year's roster lacks depth and balance? Keeping Ponds is key, obviously. Next season, the leap to national relevance must be taken.
By the way, St John's would be a top 3 A10 team right now (KenPom), and Jared Terrell is not better than Ponds or Simon despite being nearly 23 years old.
Outside of a handful of fans on the internet nobody else gives two turds and the influential folks around the program are exactly why the program has basically sucked for a long time.
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Please tell me where Ponds is going? He is not an NBA player, not now, not ever, unless he becomes a legit point guard. As I stated in an earlier post. More bodies, does not equal more wins.
How can you say that? Isn't the NBA loaded with wispy 6' two guards?
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Most agree he picked a bad staff.
No one thinks he can coach.
Plenty of players have transferred.
Almost all agree the players who have been in the program haven’t gotten better- amar yakwe
Why should he come back?
Are you talking about Mullin, Lavin, Jarvis or Norm?
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Please tell me where Ponds is going? He is not an NBA player, not now, not ever, unless he becomes a legit point guard. As I stated in an earlier post. More bodies, does not equal more wins.
How can you say that? Isn't the NBA loaded with wispy 6' two guards?
Shooting 18% from college 3.
Marillac'shead just exploded.
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Please tell me where Ponds is going? He is not an NBA player, not now, not ever, unless he becomes a legit point guard. As I stated in an earlier post. More bodies, does not equal more wins.
How can you say that? Isn't the NBA loaded with wispy 6' two guards?
Shooting 18% from college 3.
Marillac'shead just exploded.
Fair to say he's better than an 18 percent shooter. I think he spent the summer watching too much Warriors Seth Curry and not enough Davidson Seth Curry.
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Just looking at points and rebounds per game to determine who is a better player is probably the stupidest thing one can do. Since Garrett is the 4th best player on his team he's not going to get as many chances to score as the 2nd best player on another team. Simple common sense which apparently you have none of when it comes to basketball
Justin Simon makes 46 shots for every 100 he takes. Jarvis Garret makes 45 of every 100 he takes. Advanced analytics tells us that 45 of 100 is much better than 46 of 100 by a "huge" margin. I don't need common sense to know that's bullshit. I will refrain from calling you stupid though, that would be rude.
Lol. Yeah, on those 46 shots Simon makes he will score 94.8 points. On Garrett's 45 makes he will score 107.8 points. Which is better?
I know you're a bit of an old timer and remember basketball before the 3 point line but everybody else seems to have adjusted to it by now and you should too. Let's try some simple math:
Player A and Player B each take 100 shots. Player A only takes 2 pointers and player B only takes 3 pointers.
Player A makes 50 of his 100 shot attempts
Player B makes 35 of his 100 shot attempts
Which player scored more points? The guy that makes 50% of his shots but only takes 2s, or the guy that makes 35% of his shots and only takes 3s? Come on you can do this
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Please tell me where Ponds is going? He is not an NBA player, not now, not ever, unless he becomes a legit point guard. As I stated in an earlier post. More bodies, does not equal more wins.
How can you say that? Isn't the NBA loaded with wispy 6' two guards?
Shooting 18% from college 3.
Marillac'shead just exploded.
Fair to say he's better than an 18 percent shooter. I think he spent the summer watching too much Warriors Seth Curry and not enough Davidson Seth Curry.
Somewhere in between what he is now and what he was last year. Shoots from too far out and lot of moving parts. He actually shoots better off the dribble than set. Has nice touch but needs to simplify.
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Most agree he picked a bad staff.
No one thinks he can coach.
Plenty of players have transferred.
Almost all agree the players who have been in the program haven’t gotten better- amar yakwe
Why should he come back?
Because it would not benefit the program to fire a guy who is the most famous person associated with the university, recruited a deep and balanced roster beginning next season, is contractually owed millions of dollars, who was brought here in large part to build a sustainable long term product, and who has only been on the job for three years.
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Most agree he picked a bad staff.
No one thinks he can coach.
Plenty of players have transferred.
Almost all agree the players who have been in the program haven’t gotten better- amar yakwe
Why should he come back?
Because it would not benefit the program to fire a guy who is the most famous person associated with the university, recruited a deep and balanced roster beginning next season, is contractually owed millions of dollars, who was brought here in large part to build a sustainable long term product, and who has only been on the job for three years.
Stop making sense!
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Just looking at points and rebounds per game to determine who is a better player is probably the stupidest thing one can do. Since Garrett is the 4th best player on his team he's not going to get as many chances to score as the 2nd best player on another team. Simple common sense which apparently you have none of when it comes to basketball
Justin Simon makes 46 shots for every 100 he takes. Jarvis Garret makes 45 of every 100 he takes. Advanced analytics tells us that 45 of 100 is much better than 46 of 100 by a "huge" margin. I don't need common sense to know that's bullshit. I will refrain from calling you stupid though, that would be rude.
Lol. Yeah, on those 46 shots Simon makes he will score 94.8 points. On Garrett's 45 makes he will score 107.8 points. Which is better?
Did you really laugh out loud or are you a 12 year old girl. Anyway I'll answer your question when you (a) define better, because you just said two posts ago that scoring more points isn't necessarily better than scoring fewer points, in fact you said that that was just about the stupidest thing anyone could think and an indication of a complete lack of understanding of the game of basketball and (b) explain how someone "will score" eight tenths of a point. Because I don't think that's possible.
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Please tell me where Ponds is going? He is not an NBA player, not now, not ever, unless he becomes a legit point guard. As I stated in an earlier post. More bodies, does not equal more wins.
Arizona
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Most agree he picked a bad staff.
No one thinks he can coach.
Plenty of players have transferred.
Almost all agree the players who have been in the program haven’t gotten better- amar yakwe
Why should he come back?
Because it would not benefit the program to fire a guy who is the most famous person associated with the university, recruited a deep and balanced roster beginning next season, is contractually owed millions of dollars, who was brought here in large part to build a sustainable long term product, and who has only been on the job for three years.
That pretty much summarizes things. . Mullin is the face of SJBB. Firing him is bad for optics. He has a contract we can’t afford to buyout. If we can keep our core and our recruits come, we may actually be good next year. However, if we have an exodus of players like last year, we are going to be in trouble. Especially if Ponds leaves.
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Just looking at points and rebounds per game to determine who is a better player is probably the stupidest thing one can do. Since Garrett is the 4th best player on his team he's not going to get as many chances to score as the 2nd best player on another team. Simple common sense which apparently you have none of when it comes to basketball
Justin Simon makes 46 shots for every 100 he takes. Jarvis Garret makes 45 of every 100 he takes. Advanced analytics tells us that 45 of 100 is much better than 46 of 100 by a "huge" margin. I don't need common sense to know that's bullshit. I will refrain from calling you stupid though, that would be rude.
Lol. Yeah, on those 46 shots Simon makes he will score 94.8 points. On Garrett's 45 makes he will score 107.8 points. Which is better?
I know you're a bit of an old timer and remember basketball before the 3 point line but everybody else seems to have adjusted to it by now and you should too. Let's try some simple math:
Player A and Player B each take 100 shots. Player A only takes 2 pointers and player B only takes 3 pointers.
Player A makes 50 of his 100 shot attempts
Player B makes 35 of his 100 shot attempts
Which player scored more points? The guy that makes 50% of his shots but only takes 2s, or the guy that makes 35% of his shots and only takes 3s? Come on you can do this
Hey stupid. I just consulted my abacus and according to my calculations if one player scores 11 points and one scores 7 the one who scored 11 scored more points. And all the hypothetical analytics in fantasy basketball land won't change that. LOL! EMOTICON! MEME! HASHTAG! APP! TWEET! SNATCHCHAT!
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Just looking at points and rebounds per game to determine who is a better player is probably the stupidest thing one can do. Since Garrett is the 4th best player on his team he's not going to get as many chances to score as the 2nd best player on another team. Simple common sense which apparently you have none of when it comes to basketball
Justin Simon makes 46 shots for every 100 he takes. Jarvis Garret makes 45 of every 100 he takes. Advanced analytics tells us that 45 of 100 is much better than 46 of 100 by a "huge" margin. I don't need common sense to know that's bullshit. I will refrain from calling you stupid though, that would be rude.
Lol. Yeah, on those 46 shots Simon makes he will score 94.8 points. On Garrett's 45 makes he will score 107.8 points. Which is better?
Did you really laugh out loud or are you a 12 year old girl. Anyway I'll answer your question when you (a) define better, because you just said two posts ago that scoring more points isn't necessarily better than scoring fewer points, in fact you said that that was just about the stupidest thing anyone could think and an indication of a complete lack of understanding of the game of basketball and (b) explain how someone "will score" eight tenths of a point. Because I don't think that's possible.
It is called averages. And here's some more math for you and why points per game may not be a good indicator in who the better player is whereas efficiency numbers are.
Again let's say we have two players, Player A and Player B:
Player A takes 20 shots per game, all are 2 pointers. He makes 10 of those shots per game. Assuming he shoots 0 free throws, he is averaging 20 points per game.
Player B takes 10 shots per game, all of them are 3 pointers. He makes 4 of those shots per game. Assuming he shoots 0 free throws, he is averaging 12 points per game.
Now, Player A scores more points per game than Player B and has a high shooting % than Player B. But Player B is more efficient. If Player B takes the same amount of shots as Player A he'd score 4 more points per game.
This isn't very difficult
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Just looking at points and rebounds per game to determine who is a better player is probably the stupidest thing one can do. Since Garrett is the 4th best player on his team he's not going to get as many chances to score as the 2nd best player on another team. Simple common sense which apparently you have none of when it comes to basketball
Justin Simon makes 46 shots for every 100 he takes. Jarvis Garret makes 45 of every 100 he takes. Advanced analytics tells us that 45 of 100 is much better than 46 of 100 by a "huge" margin. I don't need common sense to know that's bullshit. I will refrain from calling you stupid though, that would be rude.
Lol. Yeah, on those 46 shots Simon makes he will score 94.8 points. On Garrett's 45 makes he will score 107.8 points. Which is better?
I know you're a bit of an old timer and remember basketball before the 3 point line but everybody else seems to have adjusted to it by now and you should too. Let's try some simple math:
Player A and Player B each take 100 shots. Player A only takes 2 pointers and player B only takes 3 pointers.
Player A makes 50 of his 100 shot attempts
Player B makes 35 of his 100 shot attempts
Which player scored more points? The guy that makes 50% of his shots but only takes 2s, or the guy that makes 35% of his shots and only takes 3s? Come on you can do this
Hey stupid. I just consulted my abacus and according to my calculations if one player scores 11 points and one scores 7 the one who scored 11 scored more points. And all the hypothetical analytics in fantasy basketball land won't change that. LOL! EMOTICON! MEME! HASHTAG! APP! TWEET! SNATCHCHAT!
So you would rather have the guy that scores 11 points on 20 shot attempts than the guy that scores 7 points on 5 shot attempts. Ok
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Most agree he picked a bad staff.
No one thinks he can coach.
Plenty of players have transferred.
Almost all agree the players who have been in the program haven’t gotten better- amar yakwe
Why should he come back?
Because it would not benefit the program to fire a guy who is the most famous person associated with the university, recruited a deep and balanced roster beginning next season, is contractually owed millions of dollars, who was brought here in large part to build a sustainable long term product, and who has only been on the job for three years.
That's fine but just a couple of points:
1)You have no idea what is "deep and balanced." He has on paper a roster next year that you hope will be improved, but you have no idea if they are deep and balanced. You have no idea if they are even any good quite frankly.
2)I love how the people who literally bashed Norm Roberts from day one are now screaming "Patience, we can't keep changing coaches for everytime we don't get immediate success." (not you but others). And their phony excuse is "Oh I knew all along Norm was a failure..." How convenient.
Other than that I agree it is not fair to pull the plug at this point. My personal point is I am now a skeptic on everything, meaning he does not get the benefit of the doubt on anything. And that is why I continually knock down the assumptions next year's roster is going to be some magic breakthrough. I see a lot of talent that will take time to develop and also you and I know roster moves we are not anticipating are inevitable.
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Please tell me where Ponds is going? He is not an NBA player, not now, not ever, unless he becomes a legit point guard. As I stated in an earlier post. More bodies, does not equal more wins.
Don't believe this one bit. Kid is taking 25 shots a game, playing 40 minutes a game, to having to sit out and be the 4th best player on a team in 2 years? Baldi, you can do better than this.
Arizona
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Please tell me where Ponds is going? He is not an NBA player, not now, not ever, unless he becomes a legit point guard. As I stated in an earlier post. More bodies, does not equal more wins.
Arizona
Look who’s back! Baldi! The insider from Iona!! :2funny: ;D :2funny:
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Just looking at points and rebounds per game to determine who is a better player is probably the stupidest thing one can do. Since Garrett is the 4th best player on his team he's not going to get as many chances to score as the 2nd best player on another team. Simple common sense which apparently you have none of when it comes to basketball
Justin Simon makes 46 shots for every 100 he takes. Jarvis Garret makes 45 of every 100 he takes. Advanced analytics tells us that 45 of 100 is much better than 46 of 100 by a "huge" margin. I don't need common sense to know that's bullshit. I will refrain from calling you stupid though, that would be rude.
Lol. Yeah, on those 46 shots Simon makes he will score 94.8 points. On Garrett's 45 makes he will score 107.8 points. Which is better?
I know you're a bit of an old timer and remember basketball before the 3 point line but everybody else seems to have adjusted to it by now and you should too. Let's try some simple math:
Player A and Player B each take 100 shots. Player A only takes 2 pointers and player B only takes 3 pointers.
Player A makes 50 of his 100 shot attempts
Player B makes 35 of his 100 shot attempts
Which player scored more points? The guy that makes 50% of his shots but only takes 2s, or the guy that makes 35% of his shots and only takes 3s? Come on you can do this
Hey stupid. I just consulted my abacus and according to my calculations if one player scores 11 points and one scores 7 the one who scored 11 scored more points. And all the hypothetical analytics in fantasy basketball land won't change that. LOL! EMOTICON! MEME! HASHTAG! APP! TWEET! SNATCHCHAT!
So you would rather have the guy that scores 11 points on 20 shot attempts than the guy that scores 7 points on 5 shot attempts. Ok
No, I'd rather have Ponds and Simon than 2-star recruit Jarvis Garrett. As would anyone else - other than you evidently, being in possession of secret runes that reveal that he's secretly very good - including Danny Hurley.
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Just looking at points and rebounds per game to determine who is a better player is probably the stupidest thing one can do. Since Garrett is the 4th best player on his team he's not going to get as many chances to score as the 2nd best player on another team. Simple common sense which apparently you have none of when it comes to basketball
Justin Simon makes 46 shots for every 100 he takes. Jarvis Garret makes 45 of every 100 he takes. Advanced analytics tells us that 45 of 100 is much better than 46 of 100 by a "huge" margin. I don't need common sense to know that's bullshit. I will refrain from calling you stupid though, that would be rude.
Lol. Yeah, on those 46 shots Simon makes he will score 94.8 points. On Garrett's 45 makes he will score 107.8 points. Which is better?
I know you're a bit of an old timer and remember basketball before the 3 point line but everybody else seems to have adjusted to it by now and you should too. Let's try some simple math:
Player A and Player B each take 100 shots. Player A only takes 2 pointers and player B only takes 3 pointers.
Player A makes 50 of his 100 shot attempts
Player B makes 35 of his 100 shot attempts
Which player scored more points? The guy that makes 50% of his shots but only takes 2s, or the guy that makes 35% of his shots and only takes 3s? Come on you can do this
Hey stupid. I just consulted my abacus and according to my calculations if one player scores 11 points and one scores 7 the one who scored 11 scored more points. And all the hypothetical analytics in fantasy basketball land won't change that. LOL! EMOTICON! MEME! HASHTAG! APP! TWEET! SNATCHCHAT!
So you would rather have the guy that scores 11 points on 20 shot attempts than the guy that scores 7 points on 5 shot attempts. Ok
No, I'd rather have Ponds and Simon than 2-star recruit Jarvis Garrett. As would anyone else - other than you evidently, being in possession of secret runes that reveal that he's secretly very good - including Danny Hurley.
What was Tariq Owens and Mikey Dixon's ratings when they were recruited?
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Most agree he picked a bad staff.
No one thinks he can coach.
Plenty of players have transferred.
Almost all agree the players who have been in the program haven’t gotten better- amar yakwe
Why should he come back?
Because it would not benefit the program to fire a guy who is the most famous person associated with the university, recruited a deep and balanced roster beginning next season, is contractually owed millions of dollars, who was brought here in large part to build a sustainable long term product, and who has only been on the job for three years.
That's fine but just a couple of points:
1)You have no idea what is "deep and balanced." He has on paper a roster next year that you hope will be improved, but you have no idea if they are deep and balanced. You have no idea if they are even any good quite frankly.
2)I love how the people who literally bashed Norm Roberts from day one are now screaming "Patience, we can't keep changing coaches for everytime we don't get immediate success." (not you but others). And their phony excuse is "Oh I knew all along Norm was a failure..." How convenient.
Other than that I agree it is not fair to pull the plug at this point. My personal point is I am now a skeptic on everything, meaning he does not get the benefit of the doubt on anything. And that is why I continually knock down the assumptions next year's roster is going to be some magic breakthrough. I see a lot of talent that will take time to develop and also you and I know roster moves we are not anticipating are inevitable.
There goes that crazy argument again:"You have no idea what is "deep and balanced. He has on paper a roster next year that you hope will be improved, but you have no idea if they are deep and balanced. You have no idea if they are even any good quite frankly."
What are you supposed to base it on then? Who knows if any coach will do better than Mullin? I get people questioning Mullin. I do. My argument is since we don't know if anyone would be better, he should at least be given next year when ON PAPER he will have a better more balanced roster. That seems reasonable to me.
And yes because he is Chris Mullin I think he should be given the benfit of the doubt or 2 less years than a former Queens College coach was given.
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Just looking at points and rebounds per game to determine who is a better player is probably the stupidest thing one can do. Since Garrett is the 4th best player on his team he's not going to get as many chances to score as the 2nd best player on another team. Simple common sense which apparently you have none of when it comes to basketball
Justin Simon makes 46 shots for every 100 he takes. Jarvis Garret makes 45 of every 100 he takes. Advanced analytics tells us that 45 of 100 is much better than 46 of 100 by a "huge" margin. I don't need common sense to know that's bullshit. I will refrain from calling you stupid though, that would be rude.
Lol. Yeah, on those 46 shots Simon makes he will score 94.8 points. On Garrett's 45 makes he will score 107.8 points. Which is better?
I know you're a bit of an old timer and remember basketball before the 3 point line but everybody else seems to have adjusted to it by now and you should too. Let's try some simple math:
Player A and Player B each take 100 shots. Player A only takes 2 pointers and player B only takes 3 pointers.
Player A makes 50 of his 100 shot attempts
Player B makes 35 of his 100 shot attempts
Which player scored more points? The guy that makes 50% of his shots but only takes 2s, or the guy that makes 35% of his shots and only takes 3s? Come on you can do this
Hey stupid. I just consulted my abacus and according to my calculations if one player scores 11 points and one scores 7 the one who scored 11 scored more points. And all the hypothetical analytics in fantasy basketball land won't change that. LOL! EMOTICON! MEME! HASHTAG! APP! TWEET! SNATCHCHAT!
So you would rather have the guy that scores 11 points on 20 shot attempts than the guy that scores 7 points on 5 shot attempts. Ok
No, I'd rather have Ponds and Simon than 2-star recruit Jarvis Garrett. As would anyone else - other than you evidently, being in possession of secret runes that reveal that he's secretly very good - including Danny Hurley.
I said Ponds was the best player on either of those teams, and I don't think it's close really so please don't say I ever said Garrett is better than Ponds.
But I am certainly not the only person that would look at Garrett and Simon as players right now and say Garrett is better. I just hit you with numbers that proved that. What their ranking was as a recruit is completely useless to who they are as a player right now. Luke Maye was a 3 star recruit that walked on at UNC and is now one of the top 10 players in the country.
Maybe Simon will improve tenfold between now and when he's a senior and end up being a much much better player than Garrett is now in his senior year, but the numbers show Garrett is a better player right now even though you have no idea how math works
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Please tell me where Ponds is going? He is not an NBA player, not now, not ever, unless he becomes a legit point guard. As I stated in an earlier post. More bodies, does not equal more wins.
Don't believe this one bit. Kid is taking 25 shots a game, playing 40 minutes a game, to having to sit out and be the 4th best player on a team in 2 years? Baldi, you can do better than this.
Arizona
Serious question. Do you think he wants to play in the NCAA tournament? Right now he is projected mid 2nd round pick in 2019. He should help with the local recruiting, God knows it's needed.
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Most agree he picked a bad staff.
No one thinks he can coach.
Plenty of players have transferred.
Almost all agree the players who have been in the program haven’t gotten better- amar yakwe
Why should he come back?
Because it would not benefit the program to fire a guy who is the most famous person associated with the university, recruited a deep and balanced roster beginning next season, is contractually owed millions of dollars, who was brought here in large part to build a sustainable long term product, and who has only been on the job for three years.
That pretty much summarizes things. . Mullin is the face of SJBB. Firing him is bad for optics. He has a contract we can’t afford to buyout. If we can keep our core and our recruits come, we may actually be good next year. However, if we have an exodus of players like last year, we are going to be in trouble. Especially if Ponds leaves.
None of our recuits are worth another year. If everything stays the same with modest changes, then everything stays the same and we continue to lose. We are only 0-6. If you guys are around in a month (not sure I will be) . Beatdowns are coming.
No ponds- guarantee 10th next year . With ponds still a very good chance at 10th with modest change.
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I believe almost every kid wants to play in the NCAA tourney. I say almost, because there are those "one and done" types, that will go to a school, just to be the man or play for a relative- win or lose. In Ponds case, I absolutely think he wants to be in the tourney, however if he even sniffed first round, I would bet he would take his chances and leave.
Being projected in second round is meaningless unless you are a SR, and have no other choice, or in a lot of cases, players are who they are. Ponds is neither, and if he learns to be a PG, that second round projection might mean more than Chad Ford throwing darts at a board and predicting who goes where.
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I believe almost every kid wants to play in the NCAA tourney. I say almost, because there are those "one and done" types, that will go to a school, just to be the man or play for a relative- win or lose. In Ponds case, I absolutely think he wants to be in the tourney, however if he even sniffed first round, I would bet he would take his chances and leave.
Being projected in second round is meaningless unless you are a SR, and have no other choice, or in a lot of cases, players are who they are. Ponds is neither, and if he learns to be a PG, that second round projection might mean more than Chad Ford throwing darts at a board and predicting who goes where.
This is exactly why I posted a few weeks ago that Ponds needs to be the PG now. Who is running the point next year? Hopefully it's Ponds
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please don't say I ever said Garrett is better than Ponds.
We have different definitions of "ever"
ME: RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
YOU: Yes. By a decent margin
LOL!
But I am certainly not the only person that would look at Garrett and Simon as players right now and say Garrett is better. I just hit you with numbers that proved that.
Proved is an interesting word. Here are some numbers. Tell me if they prove what they purport to prove.
According to whatever these particular offensive efficiency ratings comprise the following players had better years than Kemba Walker did the year UConn won the national championship:
Jacob Wiley of Eastern Washington
Norris Cole of Cleveland State
Mike Daum of South Dakota State
Artsiom Parakhouski of Radford
Jameel Warney of Stony Brook
Warney's 2016 season at Stony Brook was better than the best years had by any of the following players: Anthony Davis, Frank Kaminsky, Demarcus Cousins, Damian Lillard, Doug McDermott, CJ McCollum, Karl-Anthony Towns, Jimmer Fredette, Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, and Cody Zeller.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/leaders/per-player-season.html
Now, if that's a fact, tell me, am I lying?
you have no idea how math works
Oh, I know how it works. You divide the numerosity into the denomination and carry the one and so on. I just don't believe it, not all the time. Because like everything else sometimes it lies.
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I believe almost every kid wants to play in the NCAA tourney. I say almost, because there are those "one and done" types, that will go to a school, just to be the man or play for a relative- win or lose. In Ponds case, I absolutely think he wants to be in the tourney, however if he even sniffed first round, I would bet he would take his chances and leave.
Being projected in second round is meaningless unless you are a SR, and have no other choice, or in a lot of cases, players are who they are. Ponds is neither, and if he learns to be a PG, that second round projection might mean more than Chad Ford throwing darts at a board and predicting who goes where.
This is exactly why I posted a few weeks ago that Ponds needs to be the PG now. Who is running the point next year? Hopefully it's Ponds
Ur right, he should be a Pg. He has great court awareness and has a very good basketball IQ. If lets say there are no defections at years end, Next years starting 5 on paper, should look like this.
Ponds PG
Simon Sg
Clarke SF
Owens C
Keita PF
Ponds can still dominate ball, but be able to shoot 15x a game. Again this is all in theory, because Mullin has to instill an offense that allows Ponds to be scoring option #1 w/out him getting ball at top of key and just shooting from anywhere.
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
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please don't say I ever said Garrett is better than Ponds.
We have different definitions of "ever"
ME: RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
YOU: Yes. By a decent margin
LOL!
But I am certainly not the only person that would look at Garrett and Simon as players right now and say Garrett is better. I just hit you with numbers that proved that.
Proved is an interesting word. Here are some numbers. Tell me if they prove what they purport to prove.
According to whatever these particular offensive efficiency ratings comprise the following players had better years than Kemba Walker did the year UConn won the national championship:
Jacob Wiley of Eastern Washington
Norris Cole of Cleveland State
Mike Daum of South Dakota State
Artsiom Parakhouski of Radford
Jameel Warney of Stony Brook
Warney's 2016 season at Stony Brook was better than the best years had by any of the following players: Anthony Davis, Frank Kaminsky, Demarcus Cousins, Damian Lillard, Doug McDermott, CJ McCollum, Karl-Anthony Towns, Jimmer Fredette, Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, and Cody Zeller.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/leaders/per-player-season.html
Now, if that's a fact, tell me, am I lying?
you have no idea how math works
Oh, I know how it works. You divide the numerosity into the denomination and carry the one and so on. I just don't believe it, not all the time. Because like everything else sometimes it lies.
A) I was saying that URI has better a group of players than those 4 you mentioned. And I stand by that 100%. I would take URI's group of players over the group of Ponds, Simon, Lovett and Owens any day of the week, and so would anybody else that wants to win.
B) Yes, all of those players do have far better efficiency numbers than the all-time greats you mentioned. That would be like me arguing that a guy hitting .320 for the Brooklyn Cyclones is better than a guy hitting .290 for the Mets. URI's strength of schedule is a notch below ours right now, not 10 notches below as Jameel Warney's was compared to Anthony Davis. If you want to argue that Garrett's numbers are only better than Simon's because he's played weaker competition I could see where you're coming from, but I would still disagree.
C) You said Simon is better simply because he averages 11 and 7 compared to Garrett's 7 and 2. Does that mean players like Justin Wright-Foreman of Hofstra and Jordan Howard of Central Arkansas are better players than Shamorie Ponds because they average more points per game than him?
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I believe almost every kid wants to play in the NCAA tourney. I say almost, because there are those "one and done" types, that will go to a school, just to be the man or play for a relative- win or lose. In Ponds case, I absolutely think he wants to be in the tourney, however if he even sniffed first round, I would bet he would take his chances and leave.
Being projected in second round is meaningless unless you are a SR, and have no other choice, or in a lot of cases, players are who they are. Ponds is neither, and if he learns to be a PG, that second round projection might mean more than Chad Ford throwing darts at a board and predicting who goes where.
This is exactly why I posted a few weeks ago that Ponds needs to be the PG now. Who is running the point next year? Hopefully it's Ponds
Ur right, he should be a Pg. He has great court awareness and has a very good basketball IQ. If lets say there are no defections at years end, Next years starting 5 on paper, should look like this.
Ponds PG
Simon Sg
Clarke SF
Owens C
Keita PF
Ponds can still dominate ball, but be able to shoot 15x a game. Again this is all in theory, because Mullin has to instill an offense that allows Ponds to be scoring option #1 w/out him getting ball at top of key and just shooting from anywhere.
NCAA team in your opinion?
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No... The only way we make tourney next year is if some of the frosh make an immediate impact. I will say this, if Brooks does come here, I think he will be our PF and Keita comes off bench. If that is the case, and we start the 4 above, with Brooks and then have Dixon and Keita be 6th and 7th man, I believe we do compete for NCAA tourney.
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No... The only way we make tourney next year is if some of the frosh make an immediate impact. I will say this, if Brooks does come here, I think he will be our PF and Keita comes off bench. If that is the case, and we start the 4 above, with Brooks and then have Dixon and Keita be 6th and 7th man, I believe we do compete for NCAA tourney.
Not disagreeing but we would need everything and everyone to overproduce no?
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No... The only way we make tourney next year is if some of the frosh make an immediate impact. I will say this, if Brooks does come here, I think he will be our PF and Keita comes off bench. If that is the case, and we start the 4 above, with Brooks and then have Dixon and Keita be 6th and 7th man, I believe we do compete for NCAA tourney.
Not disagreeing but we would need everything and everyone to overproduce no?
The depth by itself would be a huge help. Maybe not enough to get to the tournament but not having Yakwe/Trimble/Amar be the only 3 guys off the bench is a big difference. Also can't rule out bringing in a grad transfer just like you can tell rule out unexpected defections
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Statistically, I am not sure there has to be that much more production from our guys individually on the current roster. Someone(s) has to make up for Lovetts production. Where there has to be major impact is on the boards, team defense and more efficient scoring.
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please don't say I ever said Garrett is better than Ponds.
We have different definitions of "ever"
ME: RI has better players than Lovett, Ponds, Simon and Owens?
YOU: Yes. By a decent margin
LOL!
But I am certainly not the only person that would look at Garrett and Simon as players right now and say Garrett is better. I just hit you with numbers that proved that.
Proved is an interesting word. Here are some numbers. Tell me if they prove what they purport to prove.
According to whatever these particular offensive efficiency ratings comprise the following players had better years than Kemba Walker did the year UConn won the national championship:
Jacob Wiley of Eastern Washington
Norris Cole of Cleveland State
Mike Daum of South Dakota State
Artsiom Parakhouski of Radford
Jameel Warney of Stony Brook
Warney's 2016 season at Stony Brook was better than the best years had by any of the following players: Anthony Davis, Frank Kaminsky, Demarcus Cousins, Damian Lillard, Doug McDermott, CJ McCollum, Karl-Anthony Towns, Jimmer Fredette, Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, and Cody Zeller.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/leaders/per-player-season.html
Now, if that's a fact, tell me, am I lying?
you have no idea how math works
Oh, I know how it works. You divide the numerosity into the denomination and carry the one and so on. I just don't believe it, not all the time. Because like everything else sometimes it lies.
A great true romance reference and I wonder if anyone noticed
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
I also heard that he wasn't interested, but the reason for that was because he was waiting for Willard to get fired from Seton Hall (probably Hurley's dream job, since that's his alma mater). Remember, they were just coming off that disappointing season, with all the in-fighting, and many felt Willard was on the hot seat.
Willard's firing is not going to happen anytime soon, now, so maybe Hurley's thoughts on our job have changed.
Speaking of Hurley and Seton Hall. For all of you angry at Lovett, Hurley quit in mid season while at SH. Now that was not as big a deal because unlike Lovett, Hurley was not any good. But still all of you killing Lovett couldn't possibly want Danny Hurley as coach, right?
Also wasn't there that rumor that when Hurley was at Saint Benedict's and didn't get assistant job at SH he supposedly threatened to never send one of his kids to SH?
I think dealing with depression and your brother and best friend almost dying are a little different than what Marcus and family are doing. After being an assistant at Rutgers, Hurley said he would only return to the college game if he could run his own program. Your SHU assistant coach story is bad info. Rhode Island loves him and will do whatever they can to keep him.
I still don’t understand why Mullin took the job. I get ego and the honor of coming back and all that, but coaching can be miserable and he had a pretty sweet deal before all this.
Before he got Rutgers gig. While coaching in HS
What are you talking about?
Hurley was an assistant at Rutgers first and then went to St. Benedict’s.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
I also heard that he wasn't interested, but the reason for that was because he was waiting for Willard to get fired from Seton Hall (probably Hurley's dream job, since that's his alma mater). Remember, they were just coming off that disappointing season, with all the in-fighting, and many felt Willard was on the hot seat.
Willard's firing is not going to happen anytime soon, now, so maybe Hurley's thoughts on our job have changed.
Speaking of Hurley and Seton Hall. For all of you angry at Lovett, Hurley quit in mid season while at SH. Now that was not as big a deal because unlike Lovett, Hurley was not any good. But still all of you killing Lovett couldn't possibly want Danny Hurley as coach, right?
Also wasn't there that rumor that when Hurley was at Saint Benedict's and didn't get assistant job at SH he supposedly threatened to never send one of his kids to SH?
I think dealing with depression and your brother and best friend almost dying are a little different than what Marcus and family are doing. After being an assistant at Rutgers, Hurley said he would only return to the college game if he could run his own program. Your SHU assistant coach story is bad info. Rhode Island loves him and will do whatever they can to keep him.
I still don’t understand why Mullin took the job. I get ego and the honor of coming back and all that, but coaching can be miserable and he had a pretty sweet deal before all this.
Before he got Rutgers gig. While coaching in HS
What are you talking about?
Hurley was an assistant at Rutgers first and then went to St. Benedict’s.
Sorry before Wagner.
And it wasn't something anyone told me it was out there. Think at the time time was even mentioned on these boards.
Don't know if true or not. But I have not heard good things about him.
Which honestly personally I don't care about.
Again just brought it up in defense of people killing Lovett for not showing loyalty but then want Chris Mullin gone after 3 years.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
I also heard that he wasn't interested, but the reason for that was because he was waiting for Willard to get fired from Seton Hall (probably Hurley's dream job, since that's his alma mater). Remember, they were just coming off that disappointing season, with all the in-fighting, and many felt Willard was on the hot seat.
Willard's firing is not going to happen anytime soon, now, so maybe Hurley's thoughts on our job have changed.
Speaking of Hurley and Seton Hall. For all of you angry at Lovett, Hurley quit in mid season while at SH. Now that was not as big a deal because unlike Lovett, Hurley was not any good. But still all of you killing Lovett couldn't possibly want Danny Hurley as coach, right?
Also wasn't there that rumor that when Hurley was at Saint Benedict's and didn't get assistant job at SH he supposedly threatened to never send one of his kids to SH?
I think dealing with depression and your brother and best friend almost dying are a little different than what Marcus and family are doing. After being an assistant at Rutgers, Hurley said he would only return to the college game if he could run his own program. Your SHU assistant coach story is bad info. Rhode Island loves him and will do whatever they can to keep him.
I still don’t understand why Mullin took the job. I get ego and the honor of coming back and all that, but coaching can be miserable and he had a pretty sweet deal before all this.
Before he got Rutgers gig. While coaching in HS
What are you talking about?
Hurley was an assistant at Rutgers first and then went to St. Benedict’s.
Sorry before Wagner.
And it wasn't something anyone told me it was out there. Think at the time time was even mentioned on these boards.
Don't know if true or not. But I have not heard good things about him.
Which honestly personally I don't care about.
Again just brought it up in defense of people killing Lovett for not showing loyalty but then want Chris Mullin gone after 3 years.
Your timeline still doesn’t make sense.
Rutgers, St. Benedict’s, Wagner, Rhode Island
When he left Rutgers, he said he would only come back to college if he got an opportunity as a head coach. He never wanted an assistant job at SHU when he was at St. Benedict’s. He turned down a head coach job (Marist) and at least one on the record assistant job (Pitt) when he was at St. Ben’s. I listen to what his players and coworkers say about him and it’s good. St. Ben’s players joined him at Rhode Island. Players he had at Wagner and Rhode Island have joined his staffs later. If your argument is LoVett-Mullin, what does Hurley have to do with it? Weird thread. Unless Mullin quits, he’s back next year and should be. Year three is when you’d like to see a few more signs of life, though. Fifty to seventy percent of the conference makes the NCAAs. They have to start being a legit part of that conversation.
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B) Yes, all of those players do have far better efficiency numbers than the all-time greats you mentioned. That would be like me arguing that a guy hitting .320 for the Brooklyn Cyclones is better than a guy hitting .290 for the Mets.
LOL no, you have it exactly backwards. You're arguing that a guy who hit .295 and was the MVP for a team that won the World Series is worse than a guy who hit 320 for the Toledo Mud Hens, because numbers.
So to recap: you believe in metrics that prove that Artsiom Parakhouski of Radford was a better basketball player than Kemba Walker in the year that Uconn won the NCAA championship.
This is why even vaguely competently attorneys don't ever let the defendant testify. Because if you let people talk long enough they always talk too much.
Your honor, the persecution rests.
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A great true romance reference and I wonder if anyone noticed
Pearls before swine.
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B) Yes, all of those players do have far better efficiency numbers than the all-time greats you mentioned. That would be like me arguing that a guy hitting .320 for the Brooklyn Cyclones is better than a guy hitting .290 for the Mets.
LOL no, you have it exactly backwards. You're arguing that a guy who hit .295 and was the MVP for a team that won the World Series is worse than a guy who hit 320 for the Toledo Mud Hens, because numbers.
So to recap: you believe in metrics that prove that Artsiom Parakhouski of Radford was a better basketball player than Kemba Walker in the year that Uconn won the NCAA championship.
This is why even vaguely competently attorneys don't ever let the defendant testify. Because if you let people talk long enough they always talk too much.
Your honor, the persecution rests.
Keep making up things that I say to further your argument. I can do that too. Since you believe PPG is all that matters why didn't we recruit that kid from Central Arkansas to take Ponds' place since he is averaging 4 more points per game than Ponds?
Anyway, if you believe that the SJU players are far better than the URI players why is URI undeniably a better team than SJU this season? Surely it can't be because Dan Hurley is a better coach than Chris Mullin. Chris Mullin is a hall of fame basketball player and a SJU legend damnit! No way anybody else can be a better coach than him!
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
Agree that is quite possible and eliminates the unappealing "firing the legend" situation. Hopefully the core guys return, new players contribute, staff improves and they claw their way to an NCAA T bid. The thought of the SJU "brain trust" going through another coaching search is headache inducing. :)
Could not possibly be more headache inducing than reading through the first 18 pages of this thread.
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If we do not make the NIT next year I would bet he steps down.
Agree that is quite possible and eliminates the unappealing "firing the legend" situation. Hopefully the core guys return, new players contribute, staff improves and they claw their way to an NCAA T bid. The thought of the SJU "brain trust" going through another coaching search is headache inducing. :)
Could not possibly be more headache inducing than reading through the first 18 pages of this thread.
I started skipping multiple pages at a time and I still got a headache. Good thing I stopped at one of those new fangled public green plus sign stores for the first time yesterday. Gonna need it to get over this. ;)
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This is a truly embarrassing thread. Our fans suck. Five weeks ago we were posting threads such as "What I like about this team" and "Best defensive team in the Big East?"
Mullin cannot be properly evaluated until he has a full roster. That will occur for the first time next season. He will not miss the NIT. He will have a squad that can withstand an injury or two and still win games. Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
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Looking forward to nit next year. Should be a banner year for Mullin.
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Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
None of us know whether he'll take less chances or not. Just say, you hope he'll take less chances.
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This is a truly embarrassing thread. Our fans suck. Five weeks ago we were posting threads such as "What I like about this team" and "Best defensive team in the Big East?"
Mullin cannot be properly evaluated until he has a full roster. That will occur for the first time next season. He will not miss the NIT. He will have a squad that can withstand an injury or two and still win games. Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
If your point is 5 weeks ago we were very stupid I agree. Some of us have come to our senses. Actually signs were there and I didn't fully buy in even at 10-2 but I want to be included in the stupid group so I have a feeling of belonging to a group. Must admit I was hopeful at 10-2.
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This is a truly embarrassing thread. Our fans suck. Five weeks ago we were posting threads such as "What I like about this team" and "Best defensive team in the Big East?"
Mullin cannot be properly evaluated until he has a full roster. That will occur for the first time next season. He will not miss the NIT. He will have a squad that can withstand an injury or two and still win games. Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
5 weeks ago you guys were making those predictions. I was not. No one gets a pass. Plenty of season left. If this guy is any good we should see something positive. I don’t expect it. Sadly most of you don’t either- excuses
NIT 4th year is a pathetic goal- very good chance that doesn’t happen.
Huge glaring problems- modest changes ends in more beatdowns
I think Mullin comes back- shot selection- pace - defense needs to be fixed- as does a focus on rebounding- basically the players need to be coached, made to follow assignments, and told no.
If drastic (actually easy)improvements are made this team can and will be good- doubt it happens
If mike rice or anyone was good enough to win in the big east, they would have big time jobs already. We are going to pay an assistant a million or close to it to coach by himself?
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Find me a head coach who in 3 seasons has a comparable record to Mullin’s (8-34) who isn’t/wasn’t on the hot seat.
I’ll wait.
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach. Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Find me a head coach who in 3 seasons has a comparable record to Mullin’s (8-34) who isn’t/wasn’t on the hot seat.
I’ll wait.
Year 1 on Lavin. Year 2 progress was made. This year has been a disaster so far, a perfect meeting of various problems to create a perfect negative storm. The ship is not sinking, with CM at the helm it will come through the storm. Not worth arguing about, CM is not going anywhere for 2-3 years and we all better hope he succeeds and stop whining.
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You know who knew, the hc, Chris Mullin. He knew when he recruited Clarke he was a 3, because the way he envisioned him stretching the floor on offense and on defense he was a tough nosed, defender. However not a rebounder.
He also knew that Owens is a stretch 4, not a banger. He is someone that will play with high energy and developed a mid range game. However what he now is a 3 point shooter who is 30 feet from basket at 6’11.
What he also knew was at any moment, an injury can happen and derail season, but instead, put all his eggs in season 4, and hoped for best.. Anyome think any other coaches would do that?
I can go on, but everyone should get the point that Mullin is not the answer and what needs to happen is him step down amplicably, so that he can allow the university, which he is face of, move in the correct direction for once
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Find me a head coach who in 3 seasons has a comparable record to Mullin’s (8-34) who isn’t/wasn’t on the hot seat.
I’ll wait.
Year 1 on Lavin. Year 2 progress was made. This year has been a disaster so far, a perfect meeting of various problems to create a perfect negative storm. The ship is not sinking, with CM at the helm it will come through the storm. Not worth arguing about, CM is not going anywhere for 2-3 years and we all better hope he succeeds and stop whining.
Year 1 on Lavin.... Please! Do you think Lavin's roster would've looked the way Mullin's first roster, if he had a chance to recruit a full roster?
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
For the 1,000 time +1,000.
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach. Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
"Old ladylike"? I find that characterization misogynistic and ageist. "Bickering between posters" and then you proceed to bicker. Besides what do you think the whole country the whole world does every day but bicker. Would be great if people did not bicker but that's not the world we live in. Might help if people just looked at our record and agreed we are not very good ergo our head coach is not very good.
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Merely a descriptive term gleaned from my personal experience among ladies of a certain age. If I substituted the term grumpy old men I'm sure it would be okay. And, by the way, my somewhat younger friend, I am considered quite a liberal radical among my contemporaries and their children. However, I always try to call it like I see it. My generation created political correctness and I'm afraid it has been taken to absurd levels. Yes I, I believe for the first time, have engaged in a bit of what I was critiquing rather than merely expressing my opinion in an unobtrusive way. Oh well, back to my book till sleep carries me away.
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You know who knew, the hc, Chris Mullin. He knew when he recruited Clarke he was a 3, because the way he envisioned him stretching the floor on offense and on defense he was a tough nosed, defender. However not a rebounder.
He also knew that Owens is a stretch 4, not a banger. He is someone that will play with high energy and developed a mid range game. However what he now is a 3 point shooter who is 30 feet from basket at 6’11.
What he also knew was at any moment, an injury can happen and derail season, but instead, put all his eggs in season 4, and hoped for best.. Anyome think any other coaches would do that?
I can go on, but everyone should get the point that Mullin is not the answer and what needs to happen is him step down amplicably, so that he can allow the university, which he is face of, move in the correct direction for once
and you read CM's mind?
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Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
None of us know whether he'll take less chances or not. Just say, you hope he'll take less chances.
Are you going full 'tard again, Simple Jack? This is a fan forum, nobody knows what will happen. Every statement made here is an opinion. How insecure are you that you want people to qualify their statements with the fact they can't predict the future? Holy shit dude.
Let me say this clearly: I have no fvcking clue what Mullin and the staff will do or how a bunch of teens and twenty-somethings will play. That's why I say we have to give him more time to evaluate. You are the one that wants to move on from him, so it seems like you are the one who thinks he knows the future.
The staff has seemingly moved on from risky recruits based on the players they have signed for next year: Diakate, Dixon and Keita are already practicing and enrolled in classes. I can't remember the last time we had three new players with no eligibility questions. Williams, Brooks, and Roberts are all around 4 stars and low risk players without glaring academic or legal problems like Lovett and the cross dresser. The classes are balanced, there are no obvious transfer candidates for the first time in a decade, and the roster is full.
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This is a truly embarrassing thread. Our fans suck. Five weeks ago we were posting threads such as "What I like about this team" and "Best defensive team in the Big East?"
Mullin cannot be properly evaluated until he has a full roster. That will occur for the first time next season. He will not miss the NIT. He will have a squad that can withstand an injury or two and still win games. Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
+1 For the first time I got involved in the back and forth because the thread in general pissed me off.
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You know who knew, the hc, Chris Mullin. He knew when he recruited Clarke he was a 3, because the way he envisioned him stretching the floor on offense and on defense he was a tough nosed, defender. However not a rebounder.
He also knew that Owens is a stretch 4, not a banger. He is someone that will play with high energy and developed a mid range game. However what he now is a 3 point shooter who is 30 feet from basket at 6’11.
What he also knew was at any moment, an injury can happen and derail season, but instead, put all his eggs in season 4, and hoped for best.. Anyome think any other coaches would do that?
I can go on, but everyone should get the point that Mullin is not the answer and what needs to happen is him step down amplicably, so that he can allow the university, which he is face of, move in the correct direction for once
Literally everything you wrote is incorrect. Clark is not a three by any definition. He played the four and five for Izzo at Michigan St. and played strong minutes at the five in the Elite 8.
Owens is a five that is 30 lbs underweight.
Mullin arguably overachieved last year with eight conference wins. He was 10-2 this season until the wheels fell off with Lovett and the lack of guard depth.
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Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
None of us know whether he'll take less chances or not. Just say, you hope he'll take less chances.
Are you going full 'tard again, Simple Jack? This is a fan forum, nobody knows what will happen. Every statement made here is an opinion. How insecure are you that you want people to qualify their statements with the fact they can't predict the future? Holy shit dude.
Let me say this clearly: I have no fvcking clue what Mullin and the staff will do or how a bunch of teens and twenty-somethings will play. That's why I say we have to give him more time to evaluate. You are the one that wants to move on from him, so it seems like you are the one who thinks he knows the future.
The staff has seemingly moved on from risky recruits based on the players they have signed for next year: Diakate, Dixon and Keita are already practicing and enrolled in classes. I can't remember the last time we had three new players with no eligibility questions. Williams, Brooks, and Roberts are all around 4 stars and low risk players without glaring academic or legal problems like Lovett and the cross dresser. The classes are balanced, there are no obvious transfer candidates for the first time in a decade, and the roster is full.
Listen up, you fabricating bullshitter.... Stop speaking in absolutes, and say what you mean. You're the insecure person. Only one would fabricate and come off like they're some kinda know-it-all. Sounds like a narcissist.
You continue to bump your gums and say stupid shit, and I'll continue to expound on it. How about that, chump? Your punk ass trying to talk trash because someone called you out on your foolishness.
Because, I wanna move on from him, if he flames out this season and not make it to the dance next season, then I somehow feel Mullin should know the future.... Haha! A dumb ass response. Figures.
I have no fvcking clue
That sounds about right.
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Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
None of us know whether he'll take less chances or not. Just say, you hope he'll take less chances.
Are you going full 'tard again, Simple Jack? This is a fan forum, nobody knows what will happen. Every statement made here is an opinion. How insecure are you that you want people to qualify their statements with the fact they can't predict the future? Holy shit dude.
Let me say this clearly: I have no fvcking clue what Mullin and the staff will do or how a bunch of teens and twenty-somethings will play. That's why I say we have to give him more time to evaluate. You are the one that wants to move on from him, so it seems like you are the one who thinks he knows the future.
The staff has seemingly moved on from risky recruits based on the players they have signed for next year: Diakate, Dixon and Keita are already practicing and enrolled in classes. I can't remember the last time we had three new players with no eligibility questions. Williams, Brooks, and Roberts are all around 4 stars and low risk players without glaring academic or legal problems like Lovett and the cross dresser. The classes are balanced, there are no obvious transfer candidates for the first time in a decade, and the roster is full.
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Greg Williams is ranked at #148 nationally
Josh Roberts is ranked at #180 nationally
Both are solid 3 star mid major recruits. No one knows what kind of players these guys will become, but tell me if they don’t remind you of the typical Norm Roberts recruit?
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Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
None of us know whether he'll take less chances or not. Just say, you hope he'll take less chances.
Are you going full 'tard again, Simple Jack? This is a fan forum, nobody knows what will happen. Every statement made here is an opinion. How insecure are you that you want people to qualify their statements with the fact they can't predict the future? Holy shit dude.
Let me say this clearly: I have no fvcking clue what Mullin and the staff will do or how a bunch of teens and twenty-somethings will play. That's why I say we have to give him more time to evaluate. You are the one that wants to move on from him, so it seems like you are the one who thinks he knows the future.
The staff has seemingly moved on from risky recruits based on the players they have signed for next year: Diakate, Dixon and Keita are already practicing and enrolled in classes. I can't remember the last time we had three new players with no eligibility questions. Williams, Brooks, and Roberts are all around 4 stars and low risk players without glaring academic or legal problems like Lovett and the cross dresser. The classes are balanced, there are no obvious transfer candidates for the first time in a decade, and the roster is full.
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Greg Williams is ranked at #148 nationally
Josh Roberts is ranked at #180 nationally
Both are solid 3 star mid major recruits. No one knows what kind of players these guys will become, but tell me if they don’t remind you of the typical Norm Roberts recruit?
I have no problem with the typical Norm Roberts recruit if we can add 5 top 75 players and win a top 35 kid like Ponds every two years.
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Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
None of us know whether he'll take less chances or not. Just say, you hope he'll take less chances.
Are you going full 'tard again, Simple Jack? This is a fan forum, nobody knows what will happen. Every statement made here is an opinion. How insecure are you that you want people to qualify their statements with the fact they can't predict the future? Holy shit dude.
Let me say this clearly: I have no fvcking clue what Mullin and the staff will do or how a bunch of teens and twenty-somethings will play. That's why I say we have to give him more time to evaluate. You are the one that wants to move on from him, so it seems like you are the one who thinks he knows the future.
The staff has seemingly moved on from risky recruits based on the players they have signed for next year: Diakate, Dixon and Keita are already practicing and enrolled in classes. I can't remember the last time we had three new players with no eligibility questions. Williams, Brooks, and Roberts are all around 4 stars and low risk players without glaring academic or legal problems like Lovett and the cross dresser. The classes are balanced, there are no obvious transfer candidates for the first time in a decade, and the roster is full.
Listen up, you fabricating bullshitter.... Stop speaking in absolutes, and say what you mean. You're the insecure person. Only one would fabricate and come off like they're some kinda know-it-all. Sounds like a narcissist.
You continue to bump your gums and say stupid shit, and I'll continue to expound on it. How about that, chump? Your punk ass trying to talk trash because someone called you out on your foolishness.
Because, I wanna move on from him, if he flames out this season and not make it to the dance next season, then I somehow feel Mullin should know the future.... Haha! A dumb ass response. Figures.
I have no fvcking clue
That sounds about right.
Listen up Commas...you are about the dumbest motherfvcker I've ever interacted with. I feel like I'm bullying a special ed kid here and it doesn't feel right. Let's just agree to skip over each other's posts from now on, ok? No reasonable human being would consider firing Mullin at this point.
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Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
None of us know whether he'll take less chances or not. Just say, you hope he'll take less chances.
Are you going full 'tard again, Simple Jack? This is a fan forum, nobody knows what will happen. Every statement made here is an opinion. How insecure are you that you want people to qualify their statements with the fact they can't predict the future? Holy shit dude.
Let me say this clearly: I have no fvcking clue what Mullin and the staff will do or how a bunch of teens and twenty-somethings will play. That's why I say we have to give him more time to evaluate. You are the one that wants to move on from him, so it seems like you are the one who thinks he knows the future.
The staff has seemingly moved on from risky recruits based on the players they have signed for next year: Diakate, Dixon and Keita are already practicing and enrolled in classes. I can't remember the last time we had three new players with no eligibility questions. Williams, Brooks, and Roberts are all around 4 stars and low risk players without glaring academic or legal problems like Lovett and the cross dresser. The classes are balanced, there are no obvious transfer candidates for the first time in a decade, and the roster is full.
Listen up, you fabricating bullshitter.... Stop speaking in absolutes, and say what you mean. You're the insecure person. Only one would fabricate and come off like they're some kinda know-it-all. Sounds like a narcissist.
You continue to bump your gums and say stupid shit, and I'll continue to expound on it. How about that, chump? Your punk ass trying to talk trash because someone called you out on your foolishness.
Because, I wanna move on from him, if he flames out this season and not make it to the dance next season, then I somehow feel Mullin should know the future.... Haha! A dumb ass response. Figures.
I have no fvcking clue
That sounds about right.
Listen up Commas...you are about the dumbest motherfvcker I've ever interacted with. I feel like I'm bullying a special ed kid here and it doesn't feel right. Let's just agree to skip over each other's posts from now on, ok? No reasonable human being would consider firing Mullin at this point.
I'll run laps around your simple ass.
You can always attempt your "bullying" personally. I'll see how that'll work out for you, fabricating ass punk.
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Man you geriatric nice persons are really attached to this guy huh? Any coach who is 8-34 in conference play should be on the hot seat. I could literally care less that he was a really good player for us before I was even born. I understand that even if we go 0-18 in conference play (making his record 8-46), which isn't out of the question, that he will not be fired after this year because of who he is, and how much money he would be owed, but he should. Anyone who disagrees is just attached to this guy because he probably reminds them of a time when they weren't 40 pounds overweight, young, getting laid and relevant.
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Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
None of us know whether he'll take less chances or not. Just say, you hope he'll take less chances.
Are you going full 'tard again, Simple Jack? This is a fan forum, nobody knows what will happen. Every statement made here is an opinion. How insecure are you that you want people to qualify their statements with the fact they can't predict the future? Holy shit dude.
Let me say this clearly: I have no fvcking clue what Mullin and the staff will do or how a bunch of teens and twenty-somethings will play. That's why I say we have to give him more time to evaluate. You are the one that wants to move on from him, so it seems like you are the one who thinks he knows the future.
The staff has seemingly moved on from risky recruits based on the players they have signed for next year: Diakate, Dixon and Keita are already practicing and enrolled in classes. I can't remember the last time we had three new players with no eligibility questions. Williams, Brooks, and Roberts are all around 4 stars and low risk players without glaring academic or legal problems like Lovett and the cross dresser. The classes are balanced, there are no obvious transfer candidates for the first time in a decade, and the roster is full.
247:
Greg Williams is ranked at #148 nationally
Josh Roberts is ranked at #180 nationally
Both are solid 3 star mid major recruits. No one knows what kind of players these guys will become, but tell me if they don’t remind you of the typical Norm Roberts recruit?
I have no problem with the typical Norm Roberts recruit if we can add 5 top 75 players and win a top 35 kid like Ponds every two years.
What top 35 kid is coming here if we win 12 games in year 3? Norm won 11 games in 2007-2008 and 5 in the BE. For the next season he landed Quincy Roberts, Tyshawn Edmonton and Phil Wait.
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Man you geriatric nice persons are really attached to this guy huh? Any coach who is 8-34 in conference play should be on the hot seat. I could literally care less that he was a really good player for us before I was even born. I understand that even if we go 0-18 in conference play (making his record 8-46), which isn't out of the question, that he will not be fired after this year because of who he is, and how much money he would be owed, but he should. Anyone who disagrees is just attached to this guy because he probably reminds them of a time when they weren't 40 pounds overweight, young, getting laid and relevant.
He may resign out of sheer embarrassment. I loved watching Chris Mullin play. He was exceptional, and this does sting because the University should be embarrassed for blindly assuming he was some kind of b-ball genius.
This is kind of like finding out your favorite uncle can’t read.
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Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
None of us know whether he'll take less chances or not. Just say, you hope he'll take less chances.
Are you going full 'tard again, Simple Jack? This is a fan forum, nobody knows what will happen. Every statement made here is an opinion. How insecure are you that you want people to qualify their statements with the fact they can't predict the future? Holy shit dude.
Let me say this clearly: I have no fvcking clue what Mullin and the staff will do or how a bunch of teens and twenty-somethings will play. That's why I say we have to give him more time to evaluate. You are the one that wants to move on from him, so it seems like you are the one who thinks he knows the future.
The staff has seemingly moved on from risky recruits based on the players they have signed for next year: Diakate, Dixon and Keita are already practicing and enrolled in classes. I can't remember the last time we had three new players with no eligibility questions. Williams, Brooks, and Roberts are all around 4 stars and low risk players without glaring academic or legal problems like Lovett and the cross dresser. The classes are balanced, there are no obvious transfer candidates for the first time in a decade, and the roster is full.
247:
Greg Williams is ranked at #148 nationally
Josh Roberts is ranked at #180 nationally
Both are solid 3 star mid major recruits. No one knows what kind of players these guys will become, but tell me if they don’t remind you of the typical Norm Roberts recruit?
I have no problem with the typical Norm Roberts recruit if we can add 5 top 75 players and win a top 35 kid like Ponds every two years.
What top 35 kid is coming here if we win 12 games in year 3? Norm won 11 games in 2007-2008 and 5 in the BE. For the next season he landed Quincy Roberts, Tyshawn Edmonton and Phil Wait.
Your point makes no sense for this year. Even if we don't win another game, we already have a full signed class that is much more impressive than the trio you named. Brooks is ranked between 70-79. Williams is a 4* by Rivals and ranked in several top 150 rankings. Sedee Keita was ranked #85 by ESPN. Mikey Dixon was the MAAC Rookie of the Year. Roberts and Diakate as well. Plus, we have two top 40 kids for two more years.
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Going forward he will takes less chances and I'm sure we'll see a steady supply of transfers ala Simon, Clark, Dixon, and Keita.
None of us know whether he'll take less chances or not. Just say, you hope he'll take less chances.
Are you going full 'tard again, Simple Jack? This is a fan forum, nobody knows what will happen. Every statement made here is an opinion. How insecure are you that you want people to qualify their statements with the fact they can't predict the future? Holy shit dude.
Let me say this clearly: I have no fvcking clue what Mullin and the staff will do or how a bunch of teens and twenty-somethings will play. That's why I say we have to give him more time to evaluate. You are the one that wants to move on from him, so it seems like you are the one who thinks he knows the future.
The staff has seemingly moved on from risky recruits based on the players they have signed for next year: Diakate, Dixon and Keita are already practicing and enrolled in classes. I can't remember the last time we had three new players with no eligibility questions. Williams, Brooks, and Roberts are all around 4 stars and low risk players without glaring academic or legal problems like Lovett and the cross dresser. The classes are balanced, there are no obvious transfer candidates for the first time in a decade, and the roster is full.
247:
Greg Williams is ranked at #148 nationally
Josh Roberts is ranked at #180 nationally
Both are solid 3 star mid major recruits. No one knows what kind of players these guys will become, but tell me if they don’t remind you of the typical Norm Roberts recruit?
I have no problem with the typical Norm Roberts recruit if we can add 5 top 75 players and win a top 35 kid like Ponds every two years.
What top 35 kid is coming here if we win 12 games in year 3? Norm won 11 games in 2007-2008 and 5 in the BE. For the next season he landed Quincy Roberts, Tyshawn Edmonton and Phil Wait.
Your point makes no sense for this year. Even if we don't win another game, we already have a full signed class that is much more impressive than the trio you named. Brooks is ranked between 70-79. Williams is a 4* by Rivals and ranked in several top 150 rankings. Sedee Keita was ranked #85 by ESPN. Mikey Dixon was the MAAC Rookie of the Year. Roberts and Diakate as well. Plus, we have two top 40 kids for two more years.
When the ball goes up, let's see who is on the court. As fans of this program, we know full well that not everyone who says they'll be here will be here.
You know, this reminds me of a song. A rather poignant one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4nJ1YEAp4
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
You pretty much summed it up. The opposition argument of we need to keep Mullin or we'll go back to being mediocre is lazy and weak. What the hell do those posters think we are with Mullin? This current team is worse than mediocre! Status quo only works when it yields good results. This is not the case with SJU and CM. Either win more games or Gtfo.
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I think it was pretty well known last time around Danny Hurley would have came if the job was offered.
and this information comes from..?
I think it was pretty well known that Hurley made it known he had no interest
What I had heard as well. Further for those of you that want your coach to be a good guy( I am not in that camp btw) Hurley's are jerks. This seemed like a big deal for those "Normies" that might still be around.
I also heard that he wasn't interested, but the reason for that was because he was waiting for Willard to get fired from Seton Hall (probably Hurley's dream job, since that's his alma mater). Remember, they were just coming off that disappointing season, with all the in-fighting, and many felt Willard was on the hot seat.
Willard's firing is not going to happen anytime soon, now, so maybe Hurley's thoughts on our job have changed.
Speaking of Hurley and Seton Hall. For all of you angry at Lovett, Hurley quit in mid season while at SH. Now that was not as big a deal because unlike Lovett, Hurley was not any good. But still all of you killing Lovett couldn't possibly want Danny Hurley as coach, right?
Also wasn't there that rumor that when Hurley was at Saint Benedict's and didn't get assistant job at SH he supposedly threatened to never send one of his kids to SH?
I think dealing with depression and your brother and best friend almost dying are a little different than what Marcus and family are doing. After being an assistant at Rutgers, Hurley said he would only return to the college game if he could run his own program. Your SHU assistant coach story is bad info. Rhode Island loves him and will do whatever they can to keep him.
I still don’t understand why Mullin took the job. I get ego and the honor of coming back and all that, but coaching can be miserable and he had a pretty sweet deal before all this.
Before he got Rutgers gig. While coaching in HS
What are you talking about?
Hurley was an assistant at Rutgers first and then went to St. Benedict’s.
Sorry before Wagner.
And it wasn't something anyone told me it was out there. Think at the time time was even mentioned on these boards.
Don't know if true or not. But I have not heard good things about him.
Which honestly personally I don't care about.
Again just brought it up in defense of people killing Lovett for not showing loyalty but then want Chris Mullin gone after 3 years.
Your timeline still doesn’t make sense.
Rutgers, St. Benedict’s, Wagner, Rhode Island
When he left Rutgers, he said he would only come back to college if he got an opportunity as a head coach. He never wanted an assistant job at SHU when he was at St. Benedict’s. He turned down a head coach job (Marist) and at least one on the record assistant job (Pitt) when he was at St. Ben’s. I listen to what his players and coworkers say about him and it’s good. St. Ben’s players joined him at Rhode Island. Players he had at Wagner and Rhode Island have joined his staffs later. If your argument is LoVett-Mullin, what does Hurley have to do with it? Weird thread. Unless Mullin quits, he’s back next year and should be. Year three is when you’d like to see a few more signs of life, though. Fifty to seventy percent of the conference makes the NCAAs. They have to start being a legit part of that conversation.
Don't remember where I read it and was possibly head coach at SH? In OP I said "wasn't there a rumor"?
Hurley the current savior of choice.
People want to fire Chris Mullin and hire Hurley.
Some of same people also bashed Lovett for being selfish for quitting.
I was just pointing out Hurley also quit once and you want him to replace the most famous person in program history, which is the opposite of loyal.
I admit convoluted argument, but "fans" on here suck.
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Mullin is the best option for success next year, when we can have legitimate expectations of a tournament bid and competing at the top of the conference. His theoretical replacement would have another complete rebuild on his hands, and with the PR disaster that would come with firing Mullin, the new coach would have a very tough time filling out a capable staff and solid roster.
I'd expect a staff shakeup and I expect Mullin to be the guy making the changes. He might be a poor X and Os coach who is loyal to a fault, but he is neither dumb nor lazy.
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Mullin is the best option for success next year, when we can have legitimate expectations of a tournament bid and competing at the top of the conference. His theoretical replacement would have another complete rebuild on his hands, and with the PR disaster that would come with firing Mullin, the new coach would have a very tough time filling out a capable staff and solid roster.
I'd expect a staff shakeup and I expect Mullin to be the guy making the changes. He might be a poor X and Os coach who is loyal to a fault, but he is neither dumb nor lazy.
100% spot on which is why 95% of the people on here will disagree with it.
If Mullin is fired the school is not bucking up for everyone's wet dream of the moment Danny Hurley. That is if he would even come here.
You are then getting a secondary choice no one will love except for the people on here who just hate Mullin and think his replacement will automatically be better even if they have no idea who that replacement will be. Now next coach comes in with a depleted roster and then gets how many years to turn it around before you turn on him 2 or 3?
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Man you geriatric nice persons are really attached to this guy huh? Any coach who is 8-34 in conference play should be on the hot seat. I could literally care less that he was a really good player for us before I was even born. I understand that even if we go 0-18 in conference play (making his record 8-46), which isn't out of the question, that he will not be fired after this year because of who he is, and how much money he would be owed, but he should. Anyone who disagrees is just attached to this guy because he probably reminds them of a time when they weren't 40 pounds overweight, young, getting laid and relevant.
With age comes wisdom and patience you foolish angry young man. Admittedly some of us are fat but I'm still a gym rat and lift as much as I did 20 years ago. And we are relevant because we control the money. We have seen more history personally and as a result are able to make more informed analysis and decisions. By the way, one of my many hoop nicknames over the years was The Truth, predating Berry and referring to the reliability of my Jumper. I would hope this thread has run it's course as it is worthy of a Monty Python Skit. (Oh I'M dating myself again)
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Mullin is the best option for success next year, when we can have legitimate expectations of a tournament bid and competing at the top of the conference. His theoretical replacement would have another complete rebuild on his hands, and with the PR disaster that would come with firing Mullin, the new coach would have a very tough time filling out a capable staff and solid roster.
I'd expect a staff shakeup and I expect Mullin to be the guy making the changes. He might be a poor X and Os coach who is loyal to a fault, but he is neither dumb nor lazy.
Agree on staff change expectation and disaster cutting bait this year.
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In case anyone was wondering.
Since Louie retired 26 years ago our record is 410-384. Better than I thought.
Mahoney-56-58 -1 NCAA appearance, 1 Tourney win
Fran-35-24- 1 NCAA appearance
Jarvis-110-61 -3 NCAA appearances, 4 wins
Clark-4-17
Norm-81-101
Lavin-92-72- 2 NCAA appearances, 0 wins
Mullin-32-51
So in 26 years we have been to 7 NCAA tourney's and won a total of 5 games.
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
You pretty much summed it up. The opposition argument of we need to keep Mullin or we'll go back to being mediocre is lazy and weak. What the hell do those posters think we are with Mullin? This current team is worse than mediocre! Status quo only works when it yields good results. This is not the case with SJU and CM. Either win more games or Gtfo.
Heck! We won 6 conference games in a much better Big East with a six-man rotation that included all freshman and God'sgift Achiuwa. That was also done without a point guard and basically, only one reliable outside shooter.
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In case anyone was wondering.
Since Louie retired 26 years ago our record is 410-384. Better than I thought.
Mahoney-56-58 -1 NCAA appearance, 1 Tourney win
Fran-35-24- 1 NCAA appearance
Jarvis-110-61 -3 NCAA appearances, 4 wins
Clark-4-17
Norm-81-101
Lavin-92-72- 2 NCAA appearances, 0 wins
Mullin-32-51
So in 26 years we have been to 7 NCAA tourney's and won a total of 5 games.
You neglected to subtract 45 wins that were vacated. Jarhead's official record was 13-43 over his last four years. So less than .500 since Lou. Also one NCAA tournament game vacated.
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
You pretty much summed it up. The opposition argument of we need to keep Mullin or we'll go back to being mediocre is lazy and weak. What the hell do those posters think we are with Mullin? This current team is worse than mediocre! Status quo only works when it yields good results. This is not the case with SJU and CM. Either win more games or Gtfo.
Heck! We won 6 conference games in a much better Big East with a six-man rotation that included all freshman and God'sgift Achiuwa. That was also done without a point guard and basically, only one reliable outside shooter.
Over last 26 years we have averaged a 16-15 won loss record.
I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
Or we could fire Mullin, then the next guy, then the next guy, then the next guy, then the next guy..........
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It really annoys me when some people on here say we didn't expect to make tourney or NIT is our ceiling. That's a load of bs because this was supposed to be the year we turned the corner. In all honesty this team is an absolute mess which can't and doesn't know how to win a big game. Our early season schedule was a total joke now we are looking at 20 straight losses to end the season and every player on the team is regressing instead of even improving a little bit. To all you Mullin lovers let's face the facts that as a coach he totally blows.
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In case anyone was wondering.
Since Louie retired 26 years ago our record is 410-384. Better than I thought.
Mahoney-56-58 -1 NCAA appearance, 1 Tourney win
Fran-35-24- 1 NCAA appearance
Jarvis-110-61 -3 NCAA appearances, 4 wins
Clark-4-17
Norm-81-101
Lavin-92-72- 2 NCAA appearances, 0 wins
Mullin-32-51
So in 26 years we have been to 7 NCAA tourney's and won a total of 5 games.
You neglected to subtract 45 wins that were vacated. Jarhead's official record was 13-43 over his last four years. So less than .500 since Lou. Also one NCAA tournament game vacated.
Blah. Once it happens it happens. I think that NCAA taking wins and stuff away is silly. Like punishing a kid for eating his dessert before his dinner by telling him you get no dessert.
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
You pretty much summed it up. The opposition argument of we need to keep Mullin or we'll go back to being mediocre is lazy and weak. What the hell do those posters think we are with Mullin? This current team is worse than mediocre! Status quo only works when it yields good results. This is not the case with SJU and CM. Either win more games or Gtfo.
Heck! We won 6 conference games in a much better Big East with a six-man rotation that included all freshman and God'sgift Achiuwa. That was also done without a point guard and basically, only one reliable outside shooter.
Over last 26 years we have averaged a 16-15 won loss record.
I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
Or we could fire Mullin, then the next guy, then the next guy, then the next guy, then the next guy..........
No offense, but I'm not gonna go back and forth with you on this particular topic. You deal in fallacies (at least, on this topic), per my opinion. You don't think you do. It's all good, though.
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I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
Congrats everyone, we found the dumbest sentence to ever be written here
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
You pretty much summed it up. The opposition argument of we need to keep Mullin or we'll go back to being mediocre is lazy and weak. What the hell do those posters think we are with Mullin? This current team is worse than mediocre! Status quo only works when it yields good results. This is not the case with SJU and CM. Either win more games or Gtfo.
Heck! We won 6 conference games in a much better Big East with a six-man rotation that included all freshman and God'sgift Achiuwa. That was also done without a point guard and basically, only one reliable outside shooter.
Over last 26 years we have averaged a 16-15 won loss record.
I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
Or we could fire Mullin, then the next guy, then the next guy, then the next guy, then the next guy..........
No offense, but I'm not gonna go back and forth with you on this particular topic. You deal in fallacies (at least, on this topic), per my opinion. You don't think you do. It's all good, though.
All I did was list our last 26 years. And unlike Fun I count all of Jarvis wins. We averaged a 16-15 record for last 26 years. That is just Math. And not even that ridiculous core Math my 3rd grade son is taught. Just good old adding and division. Where is fallacy in that?
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All I did was list our last 26 years. And unlike Fun I count all of Jarvis wins. We averaged a 16-15 record for last 26 years. That is just Math. And not even that ridiculous core Math my 3rd grade son is taught. Just good old adding and division. Where is fallacy in that?
You wasn't dealing in fallacies on your previous post, but I'm talking about overall on this topic.
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I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
Congrats everyone, we found the dumbest sentence to ever be written here
Well I guess you would know dumb things.
If you walked across the street for 26 years and got hit by a car every year wouldn't try something else?
Bad hires than firing that guy every 3 or 4 years is not working. It is not.
But complaining and bitching about every coach we have had in past 26 years seems to be working for some of you. Good for you!
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All I did was list our last 26 years. And unlike Fun I count all of Jarvis wins. We averaged a 16-15 record for last 26 years. That is just Math. And not even that ridiculous core Math my 3rd grade son is taught. Just good old adding and division. Where is fallacy in that?
You wasn't dealing in fallacies on your previous post, but I'm talking about overall on this topic.
Best chance for us to be good in the next two years is to keep Mullin and hope that for once incoming kids meet expectations and Ponds stays.
I didn't start topic but that is my argument to firing Mullin after this year.
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I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
Congrats everyone, we found the dumbest sentence to ever be written here
Well I guess you would know dumb things.
If you walked across the street for 26 years and got hit by a car every year wouldn't try something else?
Bad hires than firing that guy every 3 or 4 years is not working. It is not.
But complaining and bitching about every coach we have had in past 26 years seems to be working for some of you. Good for you!
Bitching about coaches has nothing to do with moving down a conference. Please explain how moving down a conference would cause the flip to switch in our administration where they would actually make a good hire. It would actually make it much more difficult to hire a good coach since pretty much our only draw now is that we are in the Big East.
Not to mention the tons of money the athletic department would lose, the loss of whatever interest we have left among casual fans, fewer national TV games, goodbye to home games at MSG altogether, no invites to premier November tournaments, no games vs Duke, and much harder to recruit any type of decent player because of all these reasons.
Sounds smart, lets do it!
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I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
Congrats everyone, we found the dumbest sentence to ever be written here
Well I guess you would know dumb things.
If you walked across the street for 26 years and got hit by a car every year wouldn't try something else?
Bad hires than firing that guy every 3 or 4 years is not working. It is not.
But complaining and bitching about every coach we have had in past 26 years seems to be working for some of you. Good for you!
Bitching about coaches has nothing to do with moving down a conference. Please explain how moving down a conference would cause the flip to switch in our administration where they would actually make a good hire. It would actually make it much more difficult to hire a good coach since pretty much our only draw now is that we are in the Big East.
Not to mention the tons of money the athletic department would lose, the loss of whatever interest we have left among casual fans, fewer national TV games, goodbye to home games at MSG altogether, no invites to premier November tournaments, no games vs Duke, and much harder to recruit any type of decent player because of all these reasons.
Sounds smart, lets do it!
Because he a true believer. He isn’t the only one. Mullin can do know wrong. Anyone even half paying attention knows Mullin is in over his head. Watch a game with a freind who isn’t part of the Mullin cult. See what they say. Talk to someone who is a fan of another team . They all think we are a joke. But they enlightened Mullin fanatics know all. Trust the process. They have all the money.
We are not in year 3 in a complete rebuild, the rebuild starts with a new coaching staff.
Today is only loss 7. Beat downs are coming. Do we get to 10 wins or 50 losses first?
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I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
Congrats everyone, we found the dumbest sentence to ever be written here
Well I guess you would know dumb things.
If you walked across the street for 26 years and got hit by a car every year wouldn't try something else?
Bad hires than firing that guy every 3 or 4 years is not working. It is not.
But complaining and bitching about every coach we have had in past 26 years seems to be working for some of you. Good for you!
Bitching about coaches has nothing to do with moving down a conference. Please explain how moving down a conference would cause the flip to switch in our administration where they would actually make a good hire. It would actually make it much more difficult to hire a good coach since pretty much our only draw now is that we are in the Big East.
Not to mention the tons of money the athletic department would lose, the loss of whatever interest we have left among casual fans, fewer national TV games, goodbye to home games at MSG altogether, no invites to premier November tournaments, no games vs Duke, and much harder to recruit any type of decent player because of all these reasons.
Sounds smart, lets do it!
Based off the last 26 years I do not think the school has the resources or the desire to compete at a high level in a major conference. I think reducing the Garden games made sense financially and for more of a home court / less depressing atmosphere. We simply can't fill the Garden with a majority of ST John's fans. However that was just one more step towards "mid majordom". Finally lets be honest, outside of Depaul what BE school has a less impressive campus / area. I will grant you Nova is not much better but still better.
Listen, I was only half serious but I do think we should embrace a mid major philosophy in our next coaching hire and in recruiting. Recruit a solid game coach that will be here for the long haul who is not going to swing for the fences with recruits but get solid kids that can shoot the three and fit whatever system he chooses to play.
Or we can hire former star players and guys who have been in a TV studio last 10 years hoping to catch lightening in a bottle. Based off last 2 hires I am guessing Walter Berry and Dick Vitale might be candidates to replace Mullin.
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I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
Congrats everyone, we found the dumbest sentence to ever be written here
Well I guess you would know dumb things.
If you walked across the street for 26 years and got hit by a car every year wouldn't try something else?
Bad hires than firing that guy every 3 or 4 years is not working. It is not.
But complaining and bitching about every coach we have had in past 26 years seems to be working for some of you. Good for you!
Bitching about coaches has nothing to do with moving down a conference. Please explain how moving down a conference would cause the flip to switch in our administration where they would actually make a good hire. It would actually make it much more difficult to hire a good coach since pretty much our only draw now is that we are in the Big East.
Not to mention the tons of money the athletic department would lose, the loss of whatever interest we have left among casual fans, fewer national TV games, goodbye to home games at MSG altogether, no invites to premier November tournaments, no games vs Duke, and much harder to recruit any type of decent player because of all these reasons.
Sounds smart, lets do it!
Because he a true believer. He isn’t the only one. Mullin can do know wrong. Anyone even half paying attention knows Mullin is in over his head. Watch a game with a freind who isn’t part of the Mullin cult. See what they say. Talk to someone who is a fan of another team . They all think we are a joke. But they enlightened Mullin fanatics know all. Trust the process. They have all the money.
We are not in year 3 in a complete rebuild, the rebuild starts with a new coaching staff.
Today is only loss 7. Beat downs are coming. Do we get to 10 wins or 50 losses first?
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't think Mullin is a good coach at all. The answer is not to move down a conference. One has nothing to do with the other. If you really want to kill the program completely, move it to the A10
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I agree with Tony D.
Have a lot of friends who are college basketball junkies who are not St. John's fans. Can tell he is in overhead and he looks lost on sidelines.
People keep saying give him time. That is the worst thing you can possibly do if you have a feeling a person is not right for the job. This is Division 1 athletics you want to win games not let people learn on the job who are making 2 million bucks a year.
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Have a lot of friends
Find that hard to believe.
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Have a lot of friends
Find that hard to believe.
But not in your case. Actually I bet people are quite drawn to you...you know like passing motorists to a car accident or passing pedestrians to someone threatening to jump off a roof. ;) :)
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
You pretty much summed it up. The opposition argument of we need to keep Mullin or we'll go back to being mediocre is lazy and weak. What the hell do those posters think we are with Mullin? This current team is worse than mediocre! Status quo only works when it yields good results. This is not the case with SJU and CM. Either win more games or Gtfo.
Heck! We won 6 conference games in a much better Big East with a six-man rotation that included all freshman and God'sgift Achiuwa. That was also done without a point guard and basically, only one reliable outside shooter.
I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
That is just asinine...
I guess teams that typically finish in the middle to bottom of power conferences should all bolt for lesser conferences... that's a real good business decision...
Fully expect Vanderbilt and Wake Forest and Northwestern and Illinois and Penn State and Nebraska and Boston College and Colorado and Texas Tech and Ole Miss (just some that pop to mind)... to drop the big paychecks and status of belonging to existing power conference to become an irrelevant IONA.
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If there is a more depressing fan site in all of college basketball, or a more negative fan base, please let me know it. I'd like to visit it before I slit my wrists, drink Draino, put my head in an oven, and hang myself. (But first I want to watch us play Xavier tonight.)
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Have a lot of friends
Find that hard to believe.
But not in your case. Actually I bet people are quite drawn to you...you know like passing motorists to a car accident or passing pedestrians to someone threatening to jump off a roof.
I have two friends. One of them's dead and the other one I can't stand.
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Man, it was hard to read this entire thread. But it's quite clear this fan base is stuck in the 80's. St. John's is no longer a destination and hasn't been in quite some time. We haven't won an NCAA game in decades!! We have so many disadvantages against many of the bigger schools who have better resources and way better facilities. It's hard to see how anyone could expect we'd be challenging for 4 and 5 star recruits at this point.
As for Mullin, I don't know if he's the answer, but I'm happy that the rosters seem to be balanced for next year, and we should have a very talented roster.
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Man, it was hard to read this entire thread. But it's quite clear this fan base is stuck in the 80's. St. John's is no longer a destination and hasn't been in quite some time. We haven't won an NCAA game in decades!! We have so many disadvantages against many of the bigger schools who have better resources and way better facilities. It's hard to see how anyone could expect we'd be challenging for 4 and 5 star recruits at this point.
As for Mullin, I don't know if he's the answer, but I'm happy that the rosters seem to be balanced for next year, and we should have a very talented roster.
Until Ponds and Owens transfer, and Brooks never suits up for us. Then it will be another banner year. But seriously over/under 2019 for Mullin to get his 10th Big East win?
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
You pretty much summed it up. The opposition argument of we need to keep Mullin or we'll go back to being mediocre is lazy and weak. What the hell do those posters think we are with Mullin? This current team is worse than mediocre! Status quo only works when it yields good results. This is not the case with SJU and CM. Either win more games or Gtfo.
Heck! We won 6 conference games in a much better Big East with a six-man rotation that included all freshman and God'sgift Achiuwa. That was also done without a point guard and basically, only one reliable outside shooter.
I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
That is just asinine...
I guess teams that typically finish in the middle to bottom of power conferences should all bolt for lesser conferences... that's a real good business decision...
Fully expect Vanderbilt and Wake Forest and Northwestern and Illinois and Penn State and Nebraska and Boston College and Colorado and Texas Tech and Ole Miss (just some that pop to mind)... to drop the big paychecks and status of belonging to existing power conference to become an irrelevant IONA.
You mean the Football schools you just listed?
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If there is a more depressing fan site in all of college basketball, or a more negative fan base, please let me know it. I'd like to visit it before I slit my wrists, drink Draino, put my head in an oven, and hang myself. (But first I want to watch us play Xavier tonight.)
Tell you what.... Go visit any or every team in power conferences fan site, and come back after you're done, and I bet you'll have a different view of our fans. If not, then you were reading those forums with your eyes closed.
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Man, it was hard to read this entire thread. But it's quite clear this fan base is stuck in the 80's. St. John's is no longer a destination and hasn't been in quite some time. We haven't won an NCAA game in decades!! We have so many disadvantages against many of the bigger schools who have better resources and way better facilities. It's hard to see how anyone could expect we'd be challenging for 4 and 5 star recruits at this point.
As for Mullin, I don't know if he's the answer, but I'm happy that the rosters seem to be balanced for next year, and we should have a very talented roster.
There is really only a very, small percentage of people calling for his head this season. I think most are willing to give him another season. But, it's hard to deny the brand of ball being witnessed. You'd have to wonder, if we only win 3 or less conference games. Like I said, we won twice that many in a MUCH better Big East conference playing only 6 players (5 freshmen and Achiuwa) with no point guard and only one reliable outside shooter.
I don't ever think we can consistently compete with the blue bloods or even a few others who are of similar ilk. But, I also ask why we can't? At least, we should occasionally compete, right? Villanova and Georgetown (before they recently fell off) was able to do it. So, why can't we? If you think small, then you'll continue to get small time results.
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
You pretty much summed it up. The opposition argument of we need to keep Mullin or we'll go back to being mediocre is lazy and weak. What the hell do those posters think we are with Mullin? This current team is worse than mediocre! Status quo only works when it yields good results. This is not the case with SJU and CM. Either win more games or Gtfo.
Heck! We won 6 conference games in a much better Big East with a six-man rotation that included all freshman and God'sgift Achiuwa. That was also done without a point guard and basically, only one reliable outside shooter.
I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
That is just asinine...
I guess teams that typically finish in the middle to bottom of power conferences should all bolt for lesser conferences... that's a real good business decision...
Fully expect Vanderbilt and Wake Forest and Northwestern and Illinois and Penn State and Nebraska and Boston College and Colorado and Texas Tech and Ole Miss (just some that pop to mind)... to drop the big paychecks and status of belonging to existing power conference to become an irrelevant IONA.
You mean the Football schools you just listed?
LOL. Oh Yeah, those are some powerhouse football schools. Based on your logic, more of a reason for them to step down. They suck at both sports.
Its an asinine suggestion. Schools drool to be in a conference like the BE not leave it.
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If there is a more depressing fan site in all of college basketball, or a more negative fan base, please let me know it. I'd like to visit it before I slit my wrists, drink Draino, put my head in an oven, and hang myself. (But first I want to watch us play Xavier tonight.)
Tell you what.... Go visit any or every team in power conferences fan site, and come back after you're done, and I bet you'll have a different view of our fans. If not, then you were reading those forums with your eyes closed.
Some of our fans must have really loved the '62 Mets and their 40-120 record. For those too young too have lived through it they would have been in their glory. I was 8 at the time and the Mets were known as the lovable losers. Guess they see St. J's with Chris Mullin at the helm the same way.
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
You pretty much summed it up. The opposition argument of we need to keep Mullin or we'll go back to being mediocre is lazy and weak. What the hell do those posters think we are with Mullin? This current team is worse than mediocre! Status quo only works when it yields good results. This is not the case with SJU and CM. Either win more games or Gtfo.
Heck! We won 6 conference games in a much better Big East with a six-man rotation that included all freshman and God'sgift Achiuwa. That was also done without a point guard and basically, only one reliable outside shooter.
I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
That is just asinine...
I guess teams that typically finish in the middle to bottom of power conferences should all bolt for lesser conferences... that's a real good business decision...
Fully expect Vanderbilt and Wake Forest and Northwestern and Illinois and Penn State and Nebraska and Boston College and Colorado and Texas Tech and Ole Miss (just some that pop to mind)... to drop the big paychecks and status of belonging to existing power conference to become an irrelevant IONA.
You mean the Football schools you just listed?
LOL. Oh Yeah, those are some powerhouse football schools. Based on your logic, more of a reason for them to step down. They suck at both sports.
Its an asinine suggestion. Schools drool to be in a conference like the BE not leave it.
If they are going to just operate the way they have since Louie retired and either go on the cheap (Norm), reach(Norm) or flash over substance(Lavin /Mullin) and then change direction every 4 years or so then yes I think they should consider moving down.
You have to see the downgrading of the Garden as a step in that direction.
If Mullin doesn't work out after next year, I would like to see them hire a solid coach that will emphasize the three and recruit to fit his style of play. Basically embrace being a mid major w/o actually being one.
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If there is a more depressing fan site in all of college basketball, or a more negative fan base, please let me know it. I'd like to visit it before I slit my wrists, drink Draino, put my head in an oven, and hang myself. (But first I want to watch us play Xavier tonight.)
Tell you what.... Go visit any or every team in power conferences fan site, and come back after you're done, and I bet you'll have a different view of our fans. If not, then you were reading those forums with your eyes closed.
Some of our fans must have really loved the '62 Mets and their 40-120 record. For those too young too have lived through it they would have been in their glory. I was 8 at the time and the Mets were known as the lovable losers. Guess they see St. J's with Chris Mullin at the helm the same way.
Ha! The '62 Mets was about slightly over a decade before my time, but I catch your drift.
I first saw Mullin play when he was a sophomore. I became a St. John's fan when he was a senior. So, I'm extremely, familiar with him as a player. But, I don't care if he was the head coach and his bench was lined up with Michael Jordan, Kareem, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird as his assistant coaches. If their asses can't win ball games, then they need to go
Some older fans (or even fans in and around my age) may get off on waxing nostalgia about Mullin and his playing days at pre and post-game outings, and other school gatherings. But, that was a long, long time ago. The '84-'85 team ain't walking through the doors of Carnesecca Arena or MSG.
If this was Year 1, then fine. It's not so much the losing (although, in Year 3, it does play a big role), but it's how and why we're losing. If we finish off the season with 6 or 7 conference wins, then I may feel we're heading in the right direction. Currently, I don't see it.
I hope to be proven wrong.
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If there is a more depressing fan site in all of college basketball, or a more negative fan base, please let me know it. I'd like to visit it before I slit my wrists, drink Draino, put my head in an oven, and hang myself. (But first I want to watch us play Xavier tonight.)
Tell you what.... Go visit any or every team in power conferences fan site, and come back after you're done, and I bet you'll have a different view of our fans. If not, then you were reading those forums with your eyes closed.
Some of our fans must have really loved the '62 Mets and their 40-120 record. For those too young too have lived through it they would have been in their glory. I was 8 at the time and the Mets were known as the lovable losers. Guess they see St. J's with Chris Mullin at the helm the same way.
Ha! The '62 Mets was about slightly over a decade before my time, but I catch your drift.
I first saw Mullin play when he was a sophomore. I became a St. John's fan when he was a senior. So, I'm extremely, familiar with him as a player. But, I don't care if he was the head coach and his bench was lined up with Michael Jordan, Kareem, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird as his assistant coaches. If their asses can't win ball games, then they need to go
Some older fans (or even fans in and around my age) may get off on waxing nostalgia about Mullin and his playing days at pre and post-game outings, and other school gatherings. But, that was a long, long time ago. The '84-'85 team ain't walking through the doors of Carnesecca Arena or MSG.
If this was Year 1, then fine. It's not so much the losing (although, in Year 3, it does play a big role), but it's how and why we're losing. If we finish off the season with 6 or 7 conference wins, then I may feel we're heading in the right direction. Currently, I don't see it.
I hope to be proven wrong.
If you are fine giving Mullin one more year and as you say most on here are, then what is the point bitching about him the rest off the season. I think we win maybe 2 games. This year is a disaster. Complaining about him for rest of the season will not help anything.
I understand, this has been terrible to date. I still think if Lovett had stayed healthy we win 17 or 18 and the boulder would have been moving forward.
If we suck next year he probably steps down or if he gets fired no one will have a complaint.
And again just for the record, it is not strictly a Mullin thing for me. W/o a slam dunk replacement I was all for Lavin return. Now Mullin is here it just makes sense all around to give him another year.
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
You pretty much summed it up. The opposition argument of we need to keep Mullin or we'll go back to being mediocre is lazy and weak. What the hell do those posters think we are with Mullin? This current team is worse than mediocre! Status quo only works when it yields good results. This is not the case with SJU and CM. Either win more games or Gtfo.
Heck! We won 6 conference games in a much better Big East with a six-man rotation that included all freshman and God'sgift Achiuwa. That was also done without a point guard and basically, only one reliable outside shooter.
I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
That is just asinine...
I guess teams that typically finish in the middle to bottom of power conferences should all bolt for lesser conferences... that's a real good business decision...
Fully expect Vanderbilt and Wake Forest and Northwestern and Illinois and Penn State and Nebraska and Boston College and Colorado and Texas Tech and Ole Miss (just some that pop to mind)... to drop the big paychecks and status of belonging to existing power conference to become an irrelevant IONA.
You mean the Football schools you just listed?
LOL. Oh Yeah, those are some powerhouse football schools. Based on your logic, more of a reason for them to step down. They suck at both sports.
Its an asinine suggestion. Schools drool to be in a conference like the BE not leave it.
If they are going to just operate the way they have since Louie retired and either go on the cheap (Norm), reach(Norm) or flash over substance(Lavin /Mullin) and then change direction every 4 years or so then yes I think they should consider moving down.
You have to see the downgrading of the Garden as a step in that direction.
If Mullin doesn't work out after next year, I would like to see them hire a solid coach that will emphasize the three and recruit to fit his style of play. Basically embrace being a mid major w/o actually being one.
Just because they are and have been inept at finding the right coach is no reason to bury yourself in some shitty conference. Everyone understands the landscape has changed. MSG was a thing of the past, problem is everyone continues to look at what was and not what it needs to be.
Maybe Mullin works out, maybe he doesn't. But if he doesn't, you go out try to find the best candidate and give him the reigns, seems to work for other programs. There's not one team in the BE that can compete resource wise with the power 5 conferences, yet, some have consistently been able to achieve a consistent amount of success.
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I am in the glorious state of NC for the winter and golfed today. As a result I did not check JJ until after 4. What I saw was incredible. 5+ pages of posts on an inane topic which I skimmed and found most amusing. Mullin's seat is not getting hot except in some of your, dare I say feeble, minds. Some of the pieces for a rebuild are here and more are coming next year. I feel like I'm reading a bunch of old ladies arguing illogically about a topic they barely understand and, being a 69 year old married man, I know whereof I speak. If Mullin is fired our inability to keep coaches will lead us to a program on the Iona level. Yes, this season is F..ked up for reasons beyond many of your comprehensions. Being a Queens guy I have always been a SJ fan even though I went to Fordham. If Mullin gets fired I may have to root for the Rams and that will be a sad state of affairs. Mullin is our last best hope.
Well, stick to talking about marriages and golf, and we'll stick to talking about basketball.
PS.... I'm never a person who believes anyone is a team or program last best hope (only if we brought in Coach K, Cal or any coach of or similar ilk and couldn't win, then you may have a point). No offense, but that's loser/defeatist talk, IMO.
If Mullin leaves in the next few years we are going on close to 30 years of constantly switching coaches and incredible mediocrity not worthy of a formerly great program. I have been an irrational optimist for a long time but the negativity associated with suggesting Mullin should be fired surprises and angers me. If you are a player who would you rather play for, two NBA greats or a Danny Hurley. Kids are more impressed by personalities and fame then by someone who may or may not be the next great coach.
I'll give Mullin another season, and he'll get one by the powers that be. But, a one, two or three win conference season in your 3rd season could be grounds for possible firing.
St. John's should be lined up with 5 and high-level 4-star kids because Mullin and Richmond are on the staff, per your description. So, you don't think Danny Hurley could possibly land similar players if he was coaching at St. John's? I could be wrong, but I think he could recruit equally, if not slightly better. We won't know unless we cross that bridge.
Another thing.... Kids also wanna win ball games and play in the dance.
Give CM some time, it will happen. If it doesn't, look forward to another decade of mediocrity. I predicted a 10-11 win season but shit happens. Who knew Clarke would be a poor rebounder. Who knew Ponds would shoot the ways he has from 3. Who knew Lovett would get hurt and react like a complete pussy. Who Knew Owens would not develop a love for pizza and put on 20. Who knew Yakwe would continue to be an enigma. I believe the staff is teaching but the collective Hoop IQ of the team is preventing them from learning. And, by the way, the bickering between certain posters is incredibly old ladylike.
Basically, you're giving excuses. It's that simple. I'll say it again, give him one more season, and if we're not dancing, then move on.
You pretty much summed it up. The opposition argument of we need to keep Mullin or we'll go back to being mediocre is lazy and weak. What the hell do those posters think we are with Mullin? This current team is worse than mediocre! Status quo only works when it yields good results. This is not the case with SJU and CM. Either win more games or Gtfo.
Heck! We won 6 conference games in a much better Big East with a six-man rotation that included all freshman and God'sgift Achiuwa. That was also done without a point guard and basically, only one reliable outside shooter.
I really think a move to a lesser conference should be considered.
That is just asinine...
I guess teams that typically finish in the middle to bottom of power conferences should all bolt for lesser conferences... that's a real good business decision...
Fully expect Vanderbilt and Wake Forest and Northwestern and Illinois and Penn State and Nebraska and Boston College and Colorado and Texas Tech and Ole Miss (just some that pop to mind)... to drop the big paychecks and status of belonging to existing power conference to become an irrelevant IONA.
You mean the Football schools you just listed?
LOL. Oh Yeah, those are some powerhouse football schools. Based on your logic, more of a reason for them to step down. They suck at both sports.
Its an asinine suggestion. Schools drool to be in a conference like the BE not leave it.
If they are going to just operate the way they have since Louie retired and either go on the cheap (Norm), reach(Norm) or flash over substance(Lavin /Mullin) and then change direction every 4 years or so then yes I think they should consider moving down.
You have to see the downgrading of the Garden as a step in that direction.
If Mullin doesn't work out after next year, I would like to see them hire a solid coach that will emphasize the three and recruit to fit his style of play. Basically embrace being a mid major w/o actually being one.
Just because they are and have been inept at finding the right coach is no reason to bury yourself in some shitty conference. Everyone understands the landscape has changed. MSG was a thing of the past, problem is everyone continues to look at what was and not what it needs to be.
Maybe Mullin works out, maybe he doesn't. But if he doesn't, you go out try to find the best candidate and give him the reigns, seems to work for other programs. There's not one team in the BE that can compete resource wise with the power 5 conferences, yet, some have consistently been able to achieve a consistent amount of success.
I don't want them to or think they will move down. Just tired of the constant regime changes other than Norm one.
I mostly posted that to bother the people that seem to think we have such a successful program that we can't give Chris Mullin another year. And yes right or wrong I think the fact that he is Chris Mullin should have bought him more goodwill / leeway then it did.
And yes I think it is hypocritical that some of the same people arguing with me over that point have bashed Lovett for being selfish and not showing loyalty.
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If there is a more depressing fan site in all of college basketball, or a more negative fan base, please let me know it. I'd like to visit it before I slit my wrists, drink Draino, put my head in an oven, and hang myself. (But first I want to watch us play Xavier tonight.)
Tell you what.... Go visit any or every team in power conferences fan site, and come back after you're done, and I bet you'll have a different view of our fans. If not, then you were reading those forums with your eyes closed.
Some of our fans must have really loved the '62 Mets and their 40-120 record. For those too young too have lived through it they would have been in their glory. I was 8 at the time and the Mets were known as the lovable losers. Guess they see St. J's with Chris Mullin at the helm the same way.
Ha! The '62 Mets was about slightly over a decade before my time, but I catch your drift.
I first saw Mullin play when he was a sophomore. I became a St. John's fan when he was a senior. So, I'm extremely, familiar with him as a player. But, I don't care if he was the head coach and his bench was lined up with Michael Jordan, Kareem, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird as his assistant coaches. If their asses can't win ball games, then they need to go
Some older fans (or even fans in and around my age) may get off on waxing nostalgia about Mullin and his playing days at pre and post-game outings, and other school gatherings. But, that was a long, long time ago. The '84-'85 team ain't walking through the doors of Carnesecca Arena or MSG.
If this was Year 1, then fine. It's not so much the losing (although, in Year 3, it does play a big role), but it's how and why we're losing. If we finish off the season with 6 or 7 conference wins, then I may feel we're heading in the right direction. Currently, I don't see it.
I hope to be proven wrong.
If you are fine giving Mullin one more year and as you say most on here are, then what is the point bitching about him the rest off the season.
Once again, another fallacy. You do know those two are mutually exclusive.
But, I will say.... If we were to win one or two conference games, I'd be fine in moving in another direction. But, I'm sure he'll get another year to rectify things. If he has us dancing next season, then cool! If not, then bye!
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If there is a more depressing fan site in all of college basketball, or a more negative fan base, please let me know it. I'd like to visit it before I slit my wrists, drink Draino, put my head in an oven, and hang myself. (But first I want to watch us play Xavier tonight.)
Tell you what.... Go visit any or every team in power conferences fan site, and come back after you're done, and I bet you'll have a different view of our fans. If not, then you were reading those forums with your eyes closed.
Some of our fans must have really loved the '62 Mets and their 40-120 record. For those too young too have lived through it they would have been in their glory. I was 8 at the time and the Mets were known as the lovable losers. Guess they see St. J's with Chris Mullin at the helm the same way.
Ha! The '62 Mets was about slightly over a decade before my time, but I catch your drift.
I first saw Mullin play when he was a sophomore. I became a St. John's fan when he was a senior. So, I'm extremely, familiar with him as a player. But, I don't care if he was the head coach and his bench was lined up with Michael Jordan, Kareem, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird as his assistant coaches. If their asses can't win ball games, then they need to go
Some older fans (or even fans in and around my age) may get off on waxing nostalgia about Mullin and his playing days at pre and post-game outings, and other school gatherings. But, that was a long, long time ago. The '84-'85 team ain't walking through the doors of Carnesecca Arena or MSG.
If this was Year 1, then fine. It's not so much the losing (although, in Year 3, it does play a big role), but it's how and why we're losing. If we finish off the season with 6 or 7 conference wins, then I may feel we're heading in the right direction. Currently, I don't see it.
I hope to be proven wrong.
If you are fine giving Mullin one more year and as you say most on here are, then what is the point bitching about him the rest off the season.
Once again, another fallacy. You do know those two are mutually exclusive.
But, I will say.... If we were to win one or two conference games, I'd be fine in moving in another direction. But, I'm sure he'll get another year to rectify things. If he has us dancing next season, then cool! If not, then bye!
What would you conceivably see the rest of this season that would make people uncritical? Not much can happen. People are going to just go into next season with their minds made up. We stink. Mullin looks terrible to this point. Nothing over last 13 games is going to change that. I guess people will have to post something, but at this point just beating a dead horse.
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If there is a more depressing fan site in all of college basketball, or a more negative fan base, please let me know it. I'd like to visit it before I slit my wrists, drink Draino, put my head in an oven, and hang myself. (But first I want to watch us play Xavier tonight.)
Tell you what.... Go visit any or every team in power conferences fan site, and come back after you're done, and I bet you'll have a different view of our fans. If not, then you were reading those forums with your eyes closed.
Some of our fans must have really loved the '62 Mets and their 40-120 record. For those too young too have lived through it they would have been in their glory. I was 8 at the time and the Mets were known as the lovable losers. Guess they see St. J's with Chris Mullin at the helm the same way.
Ha! The '62 Mets was about slightly over a decade before my time, but I catch your drift.
I first saw Mullin play when he was a sophomore. I became a St. John's fan when he was a senior. So, I'm extremely, familiar with him as a player. But, I don't care if he was the head coach and his bench was lined up with Michael Jordan, Kareem, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird as his assistant coaches. If their asses can't win ball games, then they need to go
Some older fans (or even fans in and around my age) may get off on waxing nostalgia about Mullin and his playing days at pre and post-game outings, and other school gatherings. But, that was a long, long time ago. The '84-'85 team ain't walking through the doors of Carnesecca Arena or MSG.
If this was Year 1, then fine. It's not so much the losing (although, in Year 3, it does play a big role), but it's how and why we're losing. If we finish off the season with 6 or 7 conference wins, then I may feel we're heading in the right direction. Currently, I don't see it.
I hope to be proven wrong.
If you are fine giving Mullin one more year and as you say most on here are, then what is the point bitching about him the rest off the season.
Once again, another fallacy. You do know those two are mutually exclusive.
But, I will say.... If we were to win one or two conference games, I'd be fine in moving in another direction. But, I'm sure he'll get another year to rectify things. If he has us dancing next season, then cool! If not, then bye!
What would you conceivably see the rest of this season that would make people uncritical? Not much can happen. People are going to just go into next season with their minds made up. We stink. Mullin looks terrible to this point. Nothing over last 13 games is going to change that. I guess people will have to post something, but at this point just beating a dead horse.
Are you new to sports or something? You're trying to see progression. You still can find progression even in some losses. I think some may come around, if they saw progression. Progression could even lead to a "surprise" win or two.
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If there is a more depressing fan site in all of college basketball, or a more negative fan base, please let me know it. I'd like to visit it before I slit my wrists, drink Draino, put my head in an oven, and hang myself. (But first I want to watch us play Xavier tonight.)
Tell you what.... Go visit any or every team in power conferences fan site, and come back after you're done, and I bet you'll have a different view of our fans. If not, then you were reading those forums with your eyes closed.
Some of our fans must have really loved the '62 Mets and their 40-120 record. For those too young too have lived through it they would have been in their glory. I was 8 at the time and the Mets were known as the lovable losers. Guess they see St. J's with Chris Mullin at the helm the same way.
Ha! The '62 Mets was about slightly over a decade before my time, but I catch your drift.
I first saw Mullin play when he was a sophomore. I became a St. John's fan when he was a senior. So, I'm extremely, familiar with him as a player. But, I don't care if he was the head coach and his bench was lined up with Michael Jordan, Kareem, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird as his assistant coaches. If their asses can't win ball games, then they need to go
Some older fans (or even fans in and around my age) may get off on waxing nostalgia about Mullin and his playing days at pre and post-game outings, and other school gatherings. But, that was a long, long time ago. The '84-'85 team ain't walking through the doors of Carnesecca Arena or MSG.
If this was Year 1, then fine. It's not so much the losing (although, in Year 3, it does play a big role), but it's how and why we're losing. If we finish off the season with 6 or 7 conference wins, then I may feel we're heading in the right direction. Currently, I don't see it.
I hope to be proven wrong.
If you are fine giving Mullin one more year and as you say most on here are, then what is the point bitching about him the rest off the season.
Once again, another fallacy. You do know those two are mutually exclusive.
But, I will say.... If we were to win one or two conference games, I'd be fine in moving in another direction. But, I'm sure he'll get another year to rectify things. If he has us dancing next season, then cool! If not, then bye!
What would you conceivably see the rest of this season that would make people uncritical? Not much can happen. People are going to just go into next season with their minds made up. We stink. Mullin looks terrible to this point. Nothing over last 13 games is going to change that. I guess people will have to post something, but at this point just beating a dead horse.
Are you new to sports or something? You're trying to see progression. You still can find progression even in some losses.
Oh you saw progression in other down years for us? How was the NY Giant progression last year? The Mets?
I can see this thinking if we had a young team? We do not. Everyone's hero recruiter does not recruit true freshman. We have transfers and basically a whole new team coming in.
Like to see Ponds improve his shooting, Clark his rebounding and Trimble his activity. Outside of Owens going on a Barry Bonds diet or heck John Belushi diet not sure what else you can look for.
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Have a lot of friends
Find that hard to believe.
But not in your case. Actually I bet people are quite drawn to you...you know like passing motorists to a car accident or passing pedestrians to someone threatening to jump off a roof. ;) :)
He would fit right in with my crowd, wellread educated ball busters who drink. If he doesn't play golf he would have to learn. 8)
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If there is a more depressing fan site in all of college basketball, or a more negative fan base, please let me know it. I'd like to visit it before I slit my wrists, drink Draino, put my head in an oven, and hang myself. (But first I want to watch us play Xavier tonight.)
Tell you what.... Go visit any or every team in power conferences fan site, and come back after you're done, and I bet you'll have a different view of our fans. If not, then you were reading those forums with your eyes closed.
Some of our fans must have really loved the '62 Mets and their 40-120 record. For those too young too have lived through it they would have been in their glory. I was 8 at the time and the Mets were known as the lovable losers. Guess they see St. J's with Chris Mullin at the helm the same way.
Ha! The '62 Mets was about slightly over a decade before my time, but I catch your drift.
I first saw Mullin play when he was a sophomore. I became a St. John's fan when he was a senior. So, I'm extremely, familiar with him as a player. But, I don't care if he was the head coach and his bench was lined up with Michael Jordan, Kareem, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird as his assistant coaches. If their asses can't win ball games, then they need to go
Some older fans (or even fans in and around my age) may get off on waxing nostalgia about Mullin and his playing days at pre and post-game outings, and other school gatherings. But, that was a long, long time ago. The '84-'85 team ain't walking through the doors of Carnesecca Arena or MSG.
If this was Year 1, then fine. It's not so much the losing (although, in Year 3, it does play a big role), but it's how and why we're losing. If we finish off the season with 6 or 7 conference wins, then I may feel we're heading in the right direction. Currently, I don't see it.
I hope to be proven wrong.
If you are fine giving Mullin one more year and as you say most on here are, then what is the point bitching about him the rest off the season.
Once again, another fallacy. You do know those two are mutually exclusive.
But, I will say.... If we were to win one or two conference games, I'd be fine in moving in another direction. But, I'm sure he'll get another year to rectify things. If he has us dancing next season, then cool! If not, then bye!
What would you conceivably see the rest of this season that would make people uncritical? Not much can happen. People are going to just go into next season with their minds made up. We stink. Mullin looks terrible to this point. Nothing over last 13 games is going to change that. I guess people will have to post something, but at this point just beating a dead horse.
Are you new to sports or something? You're trying to see progression. You still can find progression even in some losses.
Oh you saw progression in other down years for us? How was the NY Giant progression last year? The Mets?
I can see this thinking if we had a young team? We do not. Everyone's hero recruiter does not recruit true freshman. We have transfers and basically a whole new team coming in.
Like to see Ponds improve his shooting, Clark his rebounding and Trimble his activity. Outside of Owens going on a Barry Bonds diet or heck John Belushi diet not sure what else you can look for.
Enjoy your day, dude.
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Man, it was hard to read this entire thread. But it's quite clear this fan base is stuck in the 80's. St. John's is no longer a destination and hasn't been in quite some time. We haven't won an NCAA game in decades!! We have so many disadvantages against many of the bigger schools who have better resources and way better facilities. It's hard to see how anyone could expect we'd be challenging for 4 and 5 star recruits at this point.
As for Mullin, I don't know if he's the answer, but I'm happy that the rosters seem to be balanced for next year, and we should have a very talented roster.
Until Ponds and Owens transfer, and Brooks never suits up for us. Then it will be another banner year. But seriously over/under 2019 for Mullin to get his 10th Big East win?
Ponds is going nowhere, it would delay his entry into the pros.
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Man, it was hard to read this entire thread. But it's quite clear this fan base is stuck in the 80's. St. John's is no longer a destination and hasn't been in quite some time. We haven't won an NCAA game in decades!! We have so many disadvantages against many of the bigger schools who have better resources and way better facilities. It's hard to see how anyone could expect we'd be challenging for 4 and 5 star recruits at this point.
As for Mullin, I don't know if he's the answer, but I'm happy that the rosters seem to be balanced for next year, and we should have a very talented roster.
There is really only a very, small percentage of people calling for his head this season. I think most are willing to give him another season. But, it's hard to deny the brand of ball being witnessed. You'd have to wonder, if we only win 3 or less conference games. Like I said, we won twice that many in a MUCH better Big East conference playing only 6 players (5 freshmen and Achiuwa) with no point guard and only one reliable outside shooter.
I don't ever think we can consistently compete with the blue bloods or even a few others who are of similar ilk. But, I also ask why we can't? At least, we should occasionally compete, right? Villanova and Georgetown (before they recently fell off) was able to do it. So, why can't we? If you think small, then you'll continue to get small time results.
I won't argue with you about the quality of play. I hope my post didn't come off to make it seem like I'm satisfied. I'm certainly not.
As far as Georgetown, are you saying that St. John's University is on par with Georgetown, in the big picture of things?
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Man, it was hard to read this entire thread. But it's quite clear this fan base is stuck in the 80's. St. John's is no longer a destination and hasn't been in quite some time. We haven't won an NCAA game in decades!! We have so many disadvantages against many of the bigger schools who have better resources and way better facilities. It's hard to see how anyone could expect we'd be challenging for 4 and 5 star recruits at this point.
As for Mullin, I don't know if he's the answer, but I'm happy that the rosters seem to be balanced for next year, and we should have a very talented roster.
There is really only a very, small percentage of people calling for his head this season. I think most are willing to give him another season. But, it's hard to deny the brand of ball being witnessed. You'd have to wonder, if we only win 3 or less conference games. Like I said, we won twice that many in a MUCH better Big East conference playing only 6 players (5 freshmen and Achiuwa) with no point guard and only one reliable outside shooter.
I don't ever think we can consistently compete with the blue bloods or even a few others who are of similar ilk. But, I also ask why we can't? At least, we should occasionally compete, right? Villanova and Georgetown (before they recently fell off) was able to do it. So, why can't we? If you think small, then you'll continue to get small time results.
I won't argue with you about the quality of play. I hope my post didn't come off to make it seem like I'm satisfied. I'm certainly not.
As far as Georgetown, are you saying that St. John's University is on par with Georgetown, in the big picture of things?
Are you referring to Georgetown of a few years ago or now?
If you're referring to a few years ago, then why we can't? We are the Hoyas (likely worse), if you're referring to now.
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If they are going to just operate the way they have since Louie retired and either go on the cheap (Norm), reach(Norm) or flash over substance(Lavin /Mullin) and then change direction every 4 years or so then yes I think they should consider moving down.
That's a lot of TV money to give up.
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Man, it was hard to read this entire thread. But it's quite clear this fan base is stuck in the 80's. St. John's is no longer a destination and hasn't been in quite some time. We haven't won an NCAA game in decades!! We have so many disadvantages against many of the bigger schools who have better resources and way better facilities. It's hard to see how anyone could expect we'd be challenging for 4 and 5 star recruits at this point.
As for Mullin, I don't know if he's the answer, but I'm happy that the rosters seem to be balanced for next year, and we should have a very talented roster.
There is really only a very, small percentage of people calling for his head this season. I think most are willing to give him another season. But, it's hard to deny the brand of ball being witnessed. You'd have to wonder, if we only win 3 or less conference games. Like I said, we won twice that many in a MUCH better Big East conference playing only 6 players (5 freshmen and Achiuwa) with no point guard and only one reliable outside shooter.
I don't ever think we can consistently compete with the blue bloods or even a few others who are of similar ilk. But, I also ask why we can't? At least, we should occasionally compete, right? Villanova and Georgetown (before they recently fell off) was able to do it. So, why can't we? If you think small, then you'll continue to get small time results.
I won't argue with you about the quality of play. I hope my post didn't come off to make it seem like I'm satisfied. I'm certainly not.
As far as Georgetown, are you saying that St. John's University is on par with Georgetown, in the big picture of things?
Are you referring to Georgetown of a few years ago or now?
If you're referring to a few years ago, then why we can't? We are the Hoyas (likely worse), if you're referring to now.
Pretty sure he's referring to the difference between a shitty commuter school in Jamaica versus a prestigious university in the nation's capital that boasts Bill Clinton, Anthony Scalia and King Felipe of Spain as graduates. The big picture is bigger than basketball.
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I can see this thinking if we had a young team? We do not.
Two players have played more than two full years at SJ, and one of those is Alibeowitz. They might not be young in age but they're young in court time.
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If they are going to just operate the way they have since Louie retired and either go on the cheap (Norm), reach(Norm) or flash over substance(Lavin /Mullin) and then change direction every 4 years or so then yes I think they should consider moving down.
That's a lot of TV money to give up.
I know not going to happen.
Just out of curiosity would you rather own the A10 or stink in BE?
BE now is not BE I grew up with so for me kind of an easy choice.
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Man, it was hard to read this entire thread. But it's quite clear this fan base is stuck in the 80's. St. John's is no longer a destination and hasn't been in quite some time. We haven't won an NCAA game in decades!! We have so many disadvantages against many of the bigger schools who have better resources and way better facilities. It's hard to see how anyone could expect we'd be challenging for 4 and 5 star recruits at this point.
As for Mullin, I don't know if he's the answer, but I'm happy that the rosters seem to be balanced for next year, and we should have a very talented roster.
There is really only a very, small percentage of people calling for his head this season. I think most are willing to give him another season. But, it's hard to deny the brand of ball being witnessed. You'd have to wonder, if we only win 3 or less conference games. Like I said, we won twice that many in a MUCH better Big East conference playing only 6 players (5 freshmen and Achiuwa) with no point guard and only one reliable outside shooter.
I don't ever think we can consistently compete with the blue bloods or even a few others who are of similar ilk. But, I also ask why we can't? At least, we should occasionally compete, right? Villanova and Georgetown (before they recently fell off) was able to do it. So, why can't we? If you think small, then you'll continue to get small time results.
I won't argue with you about the quality of play. I hope my post didn't come off to make it seem like I'm satisfied. I'm certainly not.
As far as Georgetown, are you saying that St. John's University is on par with Georgetown, in the big picture of things?
Are you referring to Georgetown of a few years ago or now?
If you're referring to a few years ago, then why we can't? We are the Hoyas (likely worse), if you're referring to now.
Pretty sure he's referring to the difference between a shitty commuter school in Jamaica versus a prestigious university in the nation's capital that boasts Bill Clinton, Anthony Scalia and King Felipe of Spain as graduates. The big picture is bigger than basketball.
Yeah, it's bigger to people who are there for anything outside of playing men's basketball. Well over the majority of these kids playing basketball (or even football) aren't going to a particular school for its prestigious education. So, yes we are on par with Georgetown or any, other Big East school for that matter. Academically to Georgetown? No.
I'm very, aware of Georgetown's education. But, thanks anyway.
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If they are going to just operate the way they have since Louie retired and either go on the cheap (Norm), reach(Norm) or flash over substance(Lavin /Mullin) and then change direction every 4 years or so then yes I think they should consider moving down.
That's a lot of TV money to give up.
I know not going to happen.
Just out of curiosity would you rather own the A10 or stink in BE?
BE now is not BE I grew up with so for me kind of an easy choice.
You're assuming we'd recruit the same caliber of player in the A10 that we do now. We wouldn't. Shamorie Ponds, Justin Simon and Marvin Clark aren't going to a school to play in the A10, and we still wouldn't be the best team in that conference this year. Neither is J'Raan Brooks. There's absolutely no reason to think we'd dominate the A10
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If they are going to just operate the way they have since Louie retired and either go on the cheap (Norm), reach(Norm) or flash over substance(Lavin /Mullin) and then change direction every 4 years or so then yes I think they should consider moving down.
That's a lot of TV money to give up.
I know not going to happen.
Just out of curiosity would you rather own the A10 or stink in BE?
BE now is not BE I grew up with so for me kind of an easy choice.
You're assuming we'd recruit the same caliber of player in the A10 that we do now. We wouldn't. Shamorie Ponds, Justin Simon and Marvin Clark aren't going to a school to play in the A10, and we still wouldn't be the best team in that conference this year. Neither is J'Raan Brooks. There's absolutely no reason to think we'd dominate the A10
That is a good point as far as Simon and Ponds type kids go.
Doubt Brooks ever actually shows up here no matter what conference we play in.
I think you would still get the Clark's and Owens off the world though.
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If they are going to just operate the way they have since Louie retired and either go on the cheap (Norm), reach(Norm) or flash over substance(Lavin /Mullin) and then change direction every 4 years or so then yes I think they should consider moving down.
That's a lot of TV money to give up.
I know not going to happen.Just out of curiosity would you rather own the A10 or stink in BE?
BE now is not BE I grew up with so for me kind of an easy choice.
Unless they move to the MAAC and kick the shit out of Iona to annoy Baldi every year I'm happy enough in the BE.
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If they are going to just operate the way they have since Louie retired and either go on the cheap (Norm), reach(Norm) or flash over substance(Lavin /Mullin) and then change direction every 4 years or so then yes I think they should consider moving down.
That's a lot of TV money to give up.
I know not going to happen.
Just out of curiosity would you rather own the A10 or stink in BE?
BE now is not BE I grew up with so for me kind of an easy choice.
Own the A10? That's like saying you're #1 in the rotary phone market.
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Man, it was hard to read this entire thread. But it's quite clear this fan base is stuck in the 80's. St. John's is no longer a destination and hasn't been in quite some time. We haven't won an NCAA game in decades!! We have so many disadvantages against many of the bigger schools who have better resources and way better facilities. It's hard to see how anyone could expect we'd be challenging for 4 and 5 star recruits at this point.
As for Mullin, I don't know if he's the answer, but I'm happy that the rosters seem to be balanced for next year, and we should have a very talented roster.
There is really only a very, small percentage of people calling for his head this season. I think most are willing to give him another season. But, it's hard to deny the brand of ball being witnessed. You'd have to wonder, if we only win 3 or less conference games. Like I said, we won twice that many in a MUCH better Big East conference playing only 6 players (5 freshmen and Achiuwa) with no point guard and only one reliable outside shooter.
I don't ever think we can consistently compete with the blue bloods or even a few others who are of similar ilk. But, I also ask why we can't? At least, we should occasionally compete, right? Villanova and Georgetown (before they recently fell off) was able to do it. So, why can't we? If you think small, then you'll continue to get small time results.
I won't argue with you about the quality of play. I hope my post didn't come off to make it seem like I'm satisfied. I'm certainly not.
As far as Georgetown, are you saying that St. John's University is on par with Georgetown, in the big picture of things?
Are you referring to Georgetown of a few years ago or now?
If you're referring to a few years ago, then why we can't? We are the Hoyas (likely worse), if you're referring to now.
Pretty sure he's referring to the difference between a shitty commuter school in Jamaica versus a prestigious university in the nation's capital that boasts Bill Clinton, Anthony Scalia and King Felipe of Spain as graduates. The big picture is bigger than basketball.
Yeah, it's bigger to people who are there for anything outside of playing men's basketball. Well over the majority of these kids playing basketball (or even football) aren't going to a particular school for its prestigious education. So, yes we are on par with Georgetown or any, other Big East school for that matter. Academically to Georgtown? No.
I'm very, aware of Georgetown's education. But, thanks anyway.
Too bad, you don't, have one, you'd use, fewer, commas.
So, anyhoo, I'm surprised that you think that the amenities offered by a particular university don't effect its ability to recruit student athletes. That's seems like a fallacy to me. Some kids go to Stanford and Notre Dame and Dook for sports plus the educational opportunities. Some go to football schools for the facilities and the large cash payments. Some go to Arizona and Florida for the weather and the trim. There's plenty of reasons to go to Georgetown - academics, location - and few to go to St John's.
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If they are going to just operate the way they have since Louie retired and either go on the cheap (Norm), reach(Norm) or flash over substance(Lavin /Mullin) and then change direction every 4 years or so then yes I think they should consider moving down.
That's a lot of TV money to give up.
I know not going to happen.
Just out of curiosity would you rather own the A10 or stink in BE?
BE now is not BE I grew up with so for me kind of an easy choice.
Own the A10? That's like saying you're #1 in the rotary phone market.
Would make Selection Sunday enjoyable more often
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Man, it was hard to read this entire thread. But it's quite clear this fan base is stuck in the 80's. St. John's is no longer a destination and hasn't been in quite some time. We haven't won an NCAA game in decades!! We have so many disadvantages against many of the bigger schools who have better resources and way better facilities. It's hard to see how anyone could expect we'd be challenging for 4 and 5 star recruits at this point.
As for Mullin, I don't know if he's the answer, but I'm happy that the rosters seem to be balanced for next year, and we should have a very talented roster.
There is really only a very, small percentage of people calling for his head this season. I think most are willing to give him another season. But, it's hard to deny the brand of ball being witnessed. You'd have to wonder, if we only win 3 or less conference games. Like I said, we won twice that many in a MUCH better Big East conference playing only 6 players (5 freshmen and Achiuwa) with no point guard and only one reliable outside shooter.
I don't ever think we can consistently compete with the blue bloods or even a few others who are of similar ilk. But, I also ask why we can't? At least, we should occasionally compete, right? Villanova and Georgetown (before they recently fell off) was able to do it. So, why can't we? If you think small, then you'll continue to get small time results.
I won't argue with you about the quality of play. I hope my post didn't come off to make it seem like I'm satisfied. I'm certainly not.
As far as Georgetown, are you saying that St. John's University is on par with Georgetown, in the big picture of things?
Are you referring to Georgetown of a few years ago or now?
If you're referring to a few years ago, then why we can't? We are the Hoyas (likely worse), if you're referring to now.
Pretty sure he's referring to the difference between a shitty commuter school in Jamaica versus a prestigious university in the nation's capital that boasts Bill Clinton, Anthony Scalia and King Felipe of Spain as graduates. The big picture is bigger than basketball.
Yeah, it's bigger to people who are there for anything outside of playing men's basketball. Well over the majority of these kids playing basketball (or even football) aren't going to a particular school for its prestigious education. So, yes we are on par with Georgetown or any, other Big East school for that matter. Academically to Georgtown? No.
I'm very, aware of Georgetown's education. But, thanks anyway.
Too bad, you don't, have one, you'd use, fewer, commas.
So, anyhoo, I'm surprised that you think that the amenities offered by a particular university don't effect its ability to recruit student athletes. That's seems like a fallacy to me. Some kids go to Stanford and Notre Dame and Dook for sports plus the educational opportunities. Some go to football schools for the facilities and the large cash payments. Some go to Arizona and Florida for the weather and the trim. There's plenty of reasons to go to Georgetown - academics, location - and few to go to St John's.
Go F yourself, punk and hope you're capable of grading papers since someone else wasn't. Lethargy isn't only relegated to our staff. Where's that darn mailbox? Maybe, I should dig up the pic, bitch ass.
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Go F yourself, punk
Golly, you sound, ferocious. I, nearly wet, myself.
and hope you're capable of grading papers since someone else wasn't. Lethargy isn't only relegated to our staff. Where's that darn mailbox? Maybe, I should dig up the pic, bitch ass.
Dig up whatever you want stupid. I live at 91 Elliot Road, come on by, happy hour starts at noon, but be advised the dogs haven't mauled anyone since those two Jehovah Witnesses around Labor Day.
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Go F yourself, punk
Golly, you sound, ferocious. I, nearly wet, myself.
and hope you're capable of grading papers since someone else wasn't. Lethargy isn't only relegated to our staff. Where's that darn mailbox? Maybe, I should dig up the pic, bitch ass.
Dig up whatever you want stupid. I live at 91 Elliot Road, come on by, happy hour starts at noon, but be advised the dogs haven't mauled anyone since those two Jehovah Witnesses around Labor Day.
Your punk ass attempt to hide, but I'm very well aware. Besides, in my initial post to your pussy ass, I said the "majority." But, nicely of you to parse words, douche.
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If they are going to just operate the way they have since Louie retired and either go on the cheap (Norm), reach(Norm) or flash over substance(Lavin /Mullin) and then change direction every 4 years or so then yes I think they should consider moving down.
That's a lot of TV money to give up.
Yes, FS1 contract doesn't expire until 2025.
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Man, it was hard to read this entire thread. But it's quite clear this fan base is stuck in the 80's. St. John's is no longer a destination and hasn't been in quite some time. We haven't won an NCAA game in decades!! We have so many disadvantages against many of the bigger schools who have better resources and way better facilities. It's hard to see how anyone could expect we'd be challenging for 4 and 5 star recruits at this point.
As for Mullin, I don't know if he's the answer, but I'm happy that the rosters seem to be balanced for next year, and we should have a very talented roster.
There is really only a very, small percentage of people calling for his head this season. I think most are willing to give him another season. But, it's hard to deny the brand of ball being witnessed. You'd have to wonder, if we only win 3 or less conference games. Like I said, we won twice that many in a MUCH better Big East conference playing only 6 players (5 freshmen and Achiuwa) with no point guard and only one reliable outside shooter.
So what you are saying we competed without cupards (cupboards)
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How much $ does St John's approximately get per year from FS1 contract...
and what % of total basketball program budget does it cover ?
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If they are going to just operate the way they have since Louie retired and either go on the cheap (Norm), reach(Norm) or flash over substance(Lavin /Mullin) and then change direction every 4 years or so then yes I think they should consider moving down.
That's a lot of TV money to give up.
I know not going to happen.
Just out of curiosity would you rather own the A10 or stink in BE?
BE now is not BE I grew up with so for me kind of an easy choice.
Own the Atlantic 10? LOL we didn't even own the ECAC Metro under Lou. Rutgers, Iona, Seton Hall kicked our ass plenty.
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Man, it was hard to read this entire thread. But it's quite clear this fan base is stuck in the 80's. St. John's is no longer a destination and hasn't been in quite some time. We haven't won an NCAA game in decades!! We have so many disadvantages against many of the bigger schools who have better resources and way better facilities. It's hard to see how anyone could expect we'd be challenging for 4 and 5 star recruits at this point.
As for Mullin, I don't know if he's the answer, but I'm happy that the rosters seem to be balanced for next year, and we should have a very talented roster.
There is really only a very, small percentage of people calling for his head this season. I think most are willing to give him another season. But, it's hard to deny the brand of ball being witnessed. You'd have to wonder, if we only win 3 or less conference games. Like I said, we won twice that many in a MUCH better Big East conference playing only 6 players (5 freshmen and Achiuwa) with no point guard and only one reliable outside shooter.
I don't ever think we can consistently compete with the blue bloods or even a few others who are of similar ilk. But, I also ask why we can't? At least, we should occasionally compete, right? Villanova and Georgetown (before they recently fell off) was able to do it. So, why can't we? If you think small, then you'll continue to get small time results.
I won't argue with you about the quality of play. I hope my post didn't come off to make it seem like I'm satisfied. I'm certainly not.
As far as Georgetown, are you saying that St. John's University is on par with Georgetown, in the big picture of things?
Are you referring to Georgetown of a few years ago or now?
If you're referring to a few years ago, then why we can't? We are the Hoyas (likely worse), if you're referring to now.
Pretty sure he's referring to the difference between a shitty commuter school in Jamaica versus a prestigious university in the nation's capital that boasts Bill Clinton, Anthony Scalia and King Felipe of Spain as graduates. The big picture is bigger than basketball.
Yeah, it's bigger to people who are there for anything outside of playing men's basketball. Well over the majority of these kids playing basketball (or even football) aren't going to a particular school for its prestigious education. So, yes we are on par with Georgetown or any, other Big East school for that matter. Academically to Georgetown? No.
I'm very, aware of Georgetown's education. But, thanks anyway.
I'm not even talking about education. Georgetown has way better facilities. They also have a way better track record in recent history of getting to the NCAA tournament and sending kids to the NBA. Those are critical. Sure they've fallen on hard times the past few years, but we've fallen on hard times the past couple of decades!!!
Literally what do we have to offer any incoming recruit that can top anything Georgetown has to offer, from education, to facilities, to recent history of success?
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Literally what do we have to offer any incoming recruit that can top anything Georgetown has to offer, from education, to facilities, to recent history of success?
The best fan base in the world.
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Your punk ass attempt to hide, but I'm very well aware. Besides, in my initial post to your pussy ass, I said the "majority." But, nicely of you to parse words, douche.
You're, silly.
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Literally what do we have to offer any incoming recruit that can top anything Georgetown has to offer, from education, to facilities, to recent history of success?
The best fan base in the world.
Can always go the Louisville route and get some strippers. Probably would have to import them from someplace other than Queens though.
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We wouldn't own the A10. If we moved to the A10, Mullin would step down and no legitimate coach is going to coach at a school that just dropped in conference prestige. Ponds, would transfer or try to go pro as would Simon and we would be recruiting for the same class of kids as Fordham.
This team is so close and it baffles me that you some of you can't see that. 0-6 in conference play, playing #11 team in country on the road, down by 10 with a minute or two to play, constantly battled all game, shorthanded, and yet they still didn't give up. This team has lost to Missouri and Arizona State (on neutral courts with one on the West Coast), Seton Hall, Creighton, and Xavier (on the road), and Villanova and Georgetown (at home) by an average of about 7 points with the worst being Arizona State by 12 and that was a lot closer than the score suggests.
We've played two bad games against DePaul (close and we let get away but should've been a lot better) and Providence (good team that just blew the doors off in second half).
I believe Ponds (as a junior), Simon (developing with more playing time), Diakite, Clark, Owens with Dixon, Keita, Williams, and Brooks off the bench plus whoever else we might bring in has no excuses if they can't make the tournament. This team had flaws, namely depth. If we can take 2 of the next three against Georgetown, Creighton, and Butler and then steal one of Xavier or Villanova then beat Marquette twice, DePaul, and take two out of the final three against Seton Hall, Butler, and Providence we would finish 8-10 and 18-12. Should make NIT and who knows, maybe we steal two games in the Big East tournament and are on the Bubble for the Tournament. I know that's EXTRAORDINARILY hard. But we've been competitive in all but two games so far this season. I have no reason to think that it's not possible to finish up 8-3.
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And I thought I was the most optimistic person on this board
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And I thought I was the most optimistic person on this board
Keep your head up, I have no reason not to think you could be the most optimistic person on this board. #keepgrinding
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Your punk ass attempt to hide, but I'm very well aware. Besides, in my initial post to your pussy ass, I said the "majority." But, nicely of you to parse words, douche.
You're, silly.
Papers, grades, lethargy, hack, simp, punk.
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Your punk ass attempt to hide, but I'm very well aware. Besides, in my initial post to your pussy ass, I said the "majority." But, nicely of you to parse words, douche.
You're, silly.
Papers, grades, lethargy, hack, simp, punk.
This board has slipped into the Titanic right when they realized there was not enough life boats mode
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Literally what do we have to offer any incoming recruit that can top anything Georgetown has to offer, from education, to facilities, to recent history of success?
The best fan base in the world.
Can always go the Louisville route and get some strippers. Probably would have to import them from someplace other than Queens though.
Pittsburgh didn't go so well with that idea
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8-35 and counting for ole Mully. On a positive note we have to be the best 0-7 team in the history of the Big East conference.
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Literally what do we have to offer any incoming recruit that can top anything Georgetown has to offer, from education, to facilities, to recent history of success?
The best fan base in the world.
Can always go the Louisville route and get some strippers. Probably would have to import them from someplace other than Queens though.
Pittsburgh didn't go so well with that idea
Well if you don't pay them........
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When I started this thread I wanted him fired, but understood if they brought him back next year for a 4th year. After this game I can't see how they bring this joke back. He is clueless, and it's officially become completely embarrassing for the school, and program. I hope Chris does the right thing and steps down after this year.
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Maybe he does need to go.
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When I started this thread I wanted him fired, but understood if they brought him back next year for a 4th year. After this game I can't see how they bring this joke back. He is clueless, and it's officially become completely embarrassing for the school, and program. I hope Chris does the right thing and steps down after this year.
They don't even know how to teach a zone. They wear the kids out, and they're gassed as hell at the end of games.
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I understand that if he leaves we will probably lose a ton of players, and recruits including maybe Ponds, and will be absolutely horrible next year no matter who is hired to take his place. But at this point it's pretty obvious we're just wasting our time by allowing this failed experiment to continue. Might as well cut your losses, and find someone who is at least competent to lead the program going forward.
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Maybe he does need to go.
He has assembled a pretty good roster for next year that a competent coach could do well with. If he steps down and we appoint a good coach maybe we can keep most on board.
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I understand that if he leaves we will probably lose a ton of players, and recruits including maybe Ponds, and will be absolutely horrible next year no matter who is hired to take his place. But at this point it's pretty obvious we're just wasting our time by allowing this failed experiment to continue. Might as well cut your losses, and find someone who is at least competent to lead the program going forward.
Depends on who you hire, and you may be able to retain most of the team and many, if not all, of the newcomers.
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Just watch any good or even halfway decent coach and you'll see how active they are communicating with their team during the game. Then watch Mullin and only an idiot would say it's not on the coaching staff. It begins and ends there with this team.
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The only way Mullin makes this thing work is if he brings a top asst coach or two in the offseason. Otherwise 0% chance he succeeds. I'd much rather a real HC come in here and coach kids up then this unrealized potential.
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The only way Mullin makes this thing work is if he brings a top asst coach or two in the offseason. Otherwise 0% chance he succeeds. I'd much rather a real HC come in here and coach kids up then this unrealized potential.
Modest change= same shit
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The only way Mullin makes this thing work is if he brings a top asst coach or two in the offseason. Otherwise 0% chance he succeeds. I'd much rather a real HC come in here and coach kids up then this unrealized potential.
Modest change= same shit
Yeah the likelihood of that happening is really low I agree. Just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Our best bet would be him stepping down, hiring a real HC and keeping most of the incoming class. Unfortunately this is also an unlikely scenario.
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How can you keep a coach when he may very well win 0 BE games in year 3?
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Imo, if Mullin keeps this staff in tact next year, and it doesn’t work out, he will step away after year 4. I don’t think he brings in a real staff if he isn’t in it for long haul. I also believe he’s going to lose some guys again which will play big part in what he does after next year as well.
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How can you keep a coach when he may very well win 0 BE games in year 3?
It's cheaper that way
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I understand that if he leaves we will probably lose a ton of players, and recruits including maybe Ponds, and will be absolutely horrible next year no matter who is hired to take his place. But at this point it's pretty obvious we're just wasting our time by allowing this failed experiment to continue. Might as well cut your losses, and find someone who is at least competent to lead the program going forward.
We are absolutely horrible this year. So what, they lose more nonconference games and still lose every BE game? Means nothing.
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Fair write up by Zach Braziller. He mentioned Eddie Jordan as a comparison. I remember thinking the same thing when Mullin was hired. Credit to Zach. Eddie Jordan is an excellent comparison. Rutgers moves on after 3 years.
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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How can you keep a coach when he may very well win 0 BE games in year 3?
Because Chris Mullin is the only 3 time BE POY.
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Just watch any good or even halfway decent coach and you'll see how active they are communicating with their team during the game. Then watch Mullin and only an idiot would say it's not on the coaching staff. It begins and ends there with this team.
Exactly. He’s complete shit. He doesn’t coach. Just bitches and actually costs them points. He’s the weakest link. They’d probably do better with no coach.
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
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A shit program deserves a shit coach.
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
Good artucle, but have to hope that some of those quotes aren't coming from Matt A. Also, no mention of the Slice debacle.
Also the anonymous donor is spot on. The admin needs to have a vision here. Haven't had that since Cahill. Embarrassing.
As far assistants, unless the AD steps in and guides the process with a veto on all choices, coach is going to go to his pals, and we will get Mario Elie and somebody that Don Nelson recommends.
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I don't think there is anything good or bad about the piece. It is a mishmash of various people giving their opinion of why the program is struggling in year 3. As mentioned t doesn't mention Slice issue. Also Chris clearly is not interested in hiring Mike Rice, that is obvious. And seriously, people think that part of the problem is the administration isn't going to Chris asking if he needs help....My God....
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
Good artucle, but have to hope that some of those quotes aren't coming from Matt A. Also, no mention of the Slice debacle.
Also the anonymous donor is spot on. The admin needs to have a vision here. Haven't had that since Cahill. Embarrassing.
As far assistants, unless the AD steps in and guides the process with a veto on all choices, coach is going to go to his pals, and we will get Mario Elie and somebody that Don Nelson recommends.
Not all the big spenders are nostalgic for Mullin. Some would fire him right now. Like right this minute now. To be clear, I would wait until the CBI is over. Mullin deserves to experience the tournament he’s coached his team into.
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I don't think there is anything good or bad about the piece. It is a mishmash of various people giving their opinion of why the program is struggling in year 3. As mentioned t doesn't mention Slice issue. Also Chris clearly is not interested in hiring Mike Rice, that is obvious. And seriously, people think that part of the problem is the administration isn't going to Chris asking if he needs help....My God....
There’s only one problem: if the administration still thinks coaching is something Chris Mullin should be doing at St.John’s.
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They’d probably do better with no coach.
Well, Lavin is available ....
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I don't think there is anything good or bad about the piece. It is a mishmash of various people giving their opinion of why the program is struggling in year 3. As mentioned t doesn't mention Slice issue. Also Chris clearly is not interested in hiring Mike Rice, that is obvious. And seriously, people think that part of the problem is the administration isn't going to Chris asking if he needs help....My God....
Rice, as you know, was on campus a number of times this summer, as late as September. Obviously he was interested in a job at SJU. As you noted, CM, for whatever reason, chose not to bring him on. I am sure he had his reasons, but I sense he will bring someone with experience on board after this painful season concludes. It won't be an instant fix, but worth trying for sure. Let's get a win tonight and give these players a break from the torment of losing.
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I don't think there is anything good or bad about the piece. It is a mishmash of various people giving their opinion of why the program is struggling in year 3. As mentioned t doesn't mention Slice issue. Also Chris clearly is not interested in hiring Mike Rice, that is obvious. And seriously, people think that part of the problem is the administration isn't going to Chris asking if he needs help....My God....
Rice, as you know, was on campus a number of times this summer, as late as September. Obviously he was interested in a job at SJU. As you noted, CM, for whatever reason, chose not to bring him on. I am sure he had his reasons, but I sense he will bring someone with experience on board after this painful season concludes. It won't be an instant fix, but worth trying for sure. Let's get a win tonight and give these players a break from the torment of losing.
No I know there was an opportunity and he said no. Also there was no administrative impediment either. And my guess is with all the noise he'll make a change, I just don't think it will be the panacea that many think.
To me the bigger issue has been recruiting. If you looked at the the top kids for 16, 17 and 18 from NY/NJ, Mullin has whiffed on essentially everyone. And because he has failed to land difference makers then this rebuild is going to take longer. Throw in a lot of sit transfers and many outgoing transfers and you have had a very uneven rebuild.
I mean Mikey Dixon as a starter next year???? Again if on the day Chris was hired in April 2015 with all the enthusiasm of potential new recruits I told you that SJU would have a losing record in his first 3 years, would essentially whiff on all the top area kids and they would be counting on a transfer from Quinnipiac for a huge contribution in year 4 I think I would have been laughed off the board.
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A Big East coach, speaking on condition of anonymity, believes criticism of Mullin and his staff is unfair ... “They’re playing really damn competitive and they’re playing everybody really tough,” the Big East coach said. “They had an offense set up to have two scoring guards. They lost a really good player. That’s a tough adjustment to make on the fly.”
Who's the coach? Got to be east coast. Probably Willard, if not him Wright or Ed Cooley's diseased head. Probably not Wright because he said "damn" and Wright's way too classy to have a potty mouth. Conclusion: it's Willard. Question: is this disinformation of the sort that led Pitino to praise Norm, Willard hoping that his anonymous praise will lead to Mullin being extended? Or is it a true partial explanation of what's happened. If true, does that make Willard less knowledgeable than the many CYO coaches and gym teachers who post here? Should Willard be fired?
Discuss.
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To me the bigger issue has been recruiting. If you looked at the the top kids for 16, 17 and 18 from NY/NJ, Mullin has whiffed on essentially everyone. And because he has failed to land difference makers then this rebuild is going to take longer. Throw in a lot of sit transfers and many outgoing transfers and you have had a very uneven rebuild.
Why would you expect top kids from the area to come to SJU? They would be coming to a program with a staff that has shown it does not know how to win and has not developed players. Add in, that they lack the basic fundamentals of x and o''s, which people outside the program see, along with negative recruiting. Recruiting transfers was supposed to give Mullin a leg up on getting out of gate quicker because they added experience, but instead they have hindered the process because of roster imbalance.
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To me the bigger issue has been recruiting. If you looked at the the top kids for 16, 17 and 18 from NY/NJ, Mullin has whiffed on essentially everyone. And because he has failed to land difference makers then this rebuild is going to take longer. Throw in a lot of sit transfers and many outgoing transfers and you have had a very uneven rebuild.
Why would you expect top kids from the area to come to SJU? They would be coming to a program with a staff that has shown it does not know how to win and has not developed players. Add in, that they lack the basic fundamentals of x and o''s, which people outside the program see, along with negative recruiting. Recruiting transfers was supposed to give Mullin a leg up on getting out of gate quicker because they added experience, but instead they have hindered the process because of roster imbalance.
I think you need to learn the quote function...
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I don't think there is anything good or bad about the piece. It is a mishmash of various people giving their opinion of why the program is struggling in year 3. As mentioned t doesn't mention Slice issue. Also Chris clearly is not interested in hiring Mike Rice, that is obvious. And seriously, people think that part of the problem is the administration isn't going to Chris asking if he needs help....My God....
Rice, as you know, was on campus a number of times this summer, as late as September. Obviously he was interested in a job at SJU. As you noted, CM, for whatever reason, chose not to bring him on. I am sure he had his reasons, but I sense he will bring someone with experience on board after this painful season concludes. It won't be an instant fix, but worth trying for sure. Let's get a win tonight and give these players a break from the torment of losing.
No I know there was an opportunity and he said no. Also there was no administrative impediment either. And my guess is with all the noise he'll make a change, I just don't think it will be the panacea that many think.
To me the bigger issue has been recruiting. If you looked at the the top kids for 16, 17 and 18 from NY/NJ, Mullin has whiffed on essentially everyone. And because he has failed to land difference makers then this rebuild is going to take longer. Throw in a lot of sit transfers and many outgoing transfers and you have had a very uneven rebuild.
I mean Mikey Dixon as a starter next year???? Again if on the day Chris was hired in April 2015 with all the enthusiasm of potential new recruits I told you that SJU would have a losing record in his first 3 years, would essentially whiff on all the top area kids and they would be counting on a transfer from Quinnipiac for a huge contribution in year 4 I think I would have been laughed off the board.
Agree on need for CM to be much more involved in recruiting. Another AC also in my opinion has to much more active than Greg is. We rely way too much on Matt as sole guy determining who we really recruit.
I also agree on your "panacea" comment.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
As usual Matt gets a pass
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I don't think there is anything good or bad about the piece. It is a mishmash of various people giving their opinion of why the program is struggling in year 3. As mentioned t doesn't mention Slice issue. Also Chris clearly is not interested in hiring Mike Rice, that is obvious. And seriously, people think that part of the problem is the administration isn't going to Chris asking if he needs help....My God....
Rice, as you know, was on campus a number of times this summer, as late as September. Obviously he was interested in a job at SJU. As you noted, CM, for whatever reason, chose not to bring him on. I am sure he had his reasons, but I sense he will bring someone with experience on board after this painful season concludes. It won't be an instant fix, but worth trying for sure. Let's get a win tonight and give these players a break from the torment of losing.
No I know there was an opportunity and he said no. Also there was no administrative impediment either. And my guess is with all the noise he'll make a change, I just don't think it will be the panacea that many think.
To me the bigger issue has been recruiting. If you looked at the the top kids for 16, 17 and 18 from NY/NJ, Mullin has whiffed on essentially everyone. And because he has failed to land difference makers then this rebuild is going to take longer. Throw in a lot of sit transfers and many outgoing transfers and you have had a very uneven rebuild.
I mean Mikey Dixon as a starter next year???? Again if on the day Chris was hired in April 2015 with all the enthusiasm of potential new recruits I told you that SJU would have a losing record in his first 3 years, would essentially whiff on all the top area kids and they would be counting on a transfer from Quinnipiac for a huge contribution in year 4 I think I would have been laughed off the board.
Why would anyone expect us to be landing difference makers? Our track record over the past two decades has been in the dumpster. Top recruits are not coming here. In my opinion, based on all of that, the talent level we have is pretty impressive. I believe the staff recognized we aren't a destination for top talent, and rightfully took a shot on transfers to get this type of talent in here.
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I don't think there is anything good or bad about the piece. It is a mishmash of various people giving their opinion of why the program is struggling in year 3. As mentioned t doesn't mention Slice issue. Also Chris clearly is not interested in hiring Mike Rice, that is obvious. And seriously, people think that part of the problem is the administration isn't going to Chris asking if he needs help....My God....
Rice, as you know, was on campus a number of times this summer, as late as September. Obviously he was interested in a job at SJU. As you noted, CM, for whatever reason, chose not to bring him on. I am sure he had his reasons, but I sense he will bring someone with experience on board after this painful season concludes. It won't be an instant fix, but worth trying for sure. Let's get a win tonight and give these players a break from the torment of losing.
No I know there was an opportunity and he said no. Also there was no administrative impediment either. And my guess is with all the noise he'll make a change, I just don't think it will be the panacea that many think.
To me the bigger issue has been recruiting. If you looked at the the top kids for 16, 17 and 18 from NY/NJ, Mullin has whiffed on essentially everyone. And because he has failed to land difference makers then this rebuild is going to take longer. Throw in a lot of sit transfers and many outgoing transfers and you have had a very uneven rebuild.
I mean Mikey Dixon as a starter next year???? Again if on the day Chris was hired in April 2015 with all the enthusiasm of potential new recruits I told you that SJU would have a losing record in his first 3 years, would essentially whiff on all the top area kids and they would be counting on a transfer from Quinnipiac for a huge contribution in year 4 I think I would have been laughed off the board.
Why would anyone expect us to be landing difference makers? Our track record over the past two decades has been in the dumpster. Top recruits are not coming here. In my opinion, based on all of that, the talent level we have is pretty impressive. I believe the staff recognized we aren't a destination for top talent, and rightfully took a shot on transfers to get this type of talent in here.
You think CM was hired and brought Slice over so we could take chances on 2nd rate recruits and overvalued transfers????
Then I really do have to ask the question, why was Lavin fired and more importantly why was a man with no college HC experience hired?
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Does anyone really no what happened with Slice?
Some on here suggested he was just collecting a check and wasn't working or just didn't realize that he couldn't recruit here like he did elsewhere.
And others said that there was some kind of pissing contest with Matt that he lost.
If it was the 2nd thing then that was Mullin's biggest mistake as coach.
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
As usual Matt gets a pass
You, maven, and slice are the only people who think he’s a problem
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
As usual Matt gets a pass
You, maven, and slice are the only people who think he’s a problem
Um , he recruited a last place team. You ok with that?
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Does anyone really no what happened with Slice?
Some on here suggested he was just collecting a check and wasn't working or just didn't realize that he couldn't recruit here like he did elsewhere.
And others said that there was some kind of pissing contest with Matt that he lost.
If it was the 2nd thing then that was Mullin's biggest mistake as coach.
The 2nd thing. Matt is not very popular with his peers
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
As usual Matt gets a pass
You, maven, and slice are the only people who think he’s a problem
Um , he recruited a last place team. You ok with that?
Since recruiting is not the problem, yes.
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
As usual Matt gets a pass
You, maven, and slice are the only people who think he’s a problem
Um , he recruited a last place team. You ok with that?
Since recruiting is not the problem, yes.
Part of it yes.
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
As usual Matt gets a pass
You, maven, and slice are the only people who think he’s a problem
Um , he recruited a last place team. You ok with that?
Chris Mullin recruited that and no one should be happy...
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
As usual Matt gets a pass
You, maven, and slice are the only people who think he’s a problem
Um , he recruited a last place team. You ok with that?
Chris Mullin recruited that and no one should be happy...
Why is Matt on the staff? For his X's and O's expertise?
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
As usual Matt gets a pass
You, maven, and slice are the only people who think he’s a problem
Um , he recruited a last place team. You ok with that?
Chris Mullin recruited that and no one should be happy...
Why is Matt on the staff? For his X's and O's expertise?
What is your point and why are you debating this with us we don't make those decisions Chris does? Go call him and yell at him.
Your entire post is nonsense. I don't care what you want to ask.
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
As usual Matt gets a pass
You, maven, and slice are the only people who think he’s a problem
Um , he recruited a last place team. You ok with that?
Chris Mullin recruited that and no one should be happy...
Why is Matt on the staff? For his X's and O's expertise?
What is your point and why are you debating this with us we don't make those decisions Chris does? Go call him and yell at him.
Your entire post is nonsense. I don't care what you want to ask.
Ho was March on Saturday?
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
As usual Matt gets a pass
You, maven, and slice are the only people who think he’s a problem
Um , he recruited a last place team. You ok with that?
Chris Mullin recruited that and no one should be happy...
Why is Matt on the staff? For his X's and O's expertise?
What is your point and why are you debating this with us we don't make those decisions Chris does? Go call him and yell at him.
Your entire post is nonsense. I don't care what you want to ask.
Ho was March on Saturday?
Is there doctor here....?
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I don't think there is anything good or bad about the piece. It is a mishmash of various people giving their opinion of why the program is struggling in year 3. As mentioned t doesn't mention Slice issue. Also Chris clearly is not interested in hiring Mike Rice, that is obvious. And seriously, people think that part of the problem is the administration isn't going to Chris asking if he needs help....My God....
Rice, as you know, was on campus a number of times this summer, as late as September. Obviously he was interested in a job at SJU. As you noted, CM, for whatever reason, chose not to bring him on. I am sure he had his reasons, but I sense he will bring someone with experience on board after this painful season concludes. It won't be an instant fix, but worth trying for sure. Let's get a win tonight and give these players a break from the torment of losing.
No I know there was an opportunity and he said no. Also there was no administrative impediment either. And my guess is with all the noise he'll make a change, I just don't think it will be the panacea that many think.
To me the bigger issue has been recruiting. If you looked at the the top kids for 16, 17 and 18 from NY/NJ, Mullin has whiffed on essentially everyone. And because he has failed to land difference makers then this rebuild is going to take longer. Throw in a lot of sit transfers and many outgoing transfers and you have had a very uneven rebuild.
I mean Mikey Dixon as a starter next year???? Again if on the day Chris was hired in April 2015 with all the enthusiasm of potential new recruits I told you that SJU would have a losing record in his first 3 years, would essentially whiff on all the top area kids and they would be counting on a transfer from Quinnipiac for a huge contribution in year 4 I think I would have been laughed off the board.
Why would anyone expect us to be landing difference makers? Our track record over the past two decades has been in the dumpster. Top recruits are not coming here. In my opinion, based on all of that, the talent level we have is pretty impressive. I believe the staff recognized we aren't a destination for top talent, and rightfully took a shot on transfers to get this type of talent in here.
You think CM was hired and brought Slice over so we could take chances on 2nd rate recruits and overvalued transfers????
Then I really do have to ask the question, why was Lavin fired and more importantly why was a man with no college HC experience hired?
+1
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
As usual Matt gets a pass
You, maven, and slice are the only people who think he’s a problem
Um , he recruited a last place team. You ok with that?
The head coach "recruited" a last place team. He or she who oversees a company, and when it fails are at fault.
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
As usual Matt gets a pass
You, maven, and slice are the only people who think he’s a problem
Um , he recruited a last place team. You ok with that?
The head coach "recruited" a last place team. He or she who oversees a company, and when it fails are at fault.
As Harry Truman said "The buck stops here" To bad it does not seem to apply anymore.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
When Harrison was suspended SJ was 16-12, having lost four of their last six in February when they're supposed to be playing their best ball, with these remaining four games: Providence on the road, #24 ND on the road, #15 marquette at home, and Villanova @MSG. Coincidence? Not bloody likely.
Oh the bright side LAvin did go on to win the one post season game of his storied career, beating mighty St Joe's. So there's that.
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Very tough, but fair piece in my opinion;
https://nypost.com/2018/01/22/the-weaknesses-pushing-chris-mullin-further-toward-hot-seat/
Matt A is the source. He has infested the staff. Did the same thing to Slice, went to the papers and got him run out of town.
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He’s complete shit.
Sadly, you have no respect and should be ashamed of yourself.
Keep this up and you'll wind up meeting with Hades in the end.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
When Harrison was suspended SJ was 16-12, having lost four of their last six in February when they're supposed to be playing their best ball, with these remaining four games: Providence on the road, #24 ND on the road, #15 marquette at home, and Villanova @MSG. Coincidence? Not bloody likely.
Oh the bright side LAvin did go on to win the one post season game of his storied career, beating mighty St Joe's. So there's that.
There's no coincidence that you're aware of.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
1/3 is Garrett. He ended up playing over 20 games that season. Of course the two who didn't qualify were Sampson who came the next year and Pelle who never made it. Those that made it to start the season were Dlo, PHil, GG, Dom Nuri, and Mo. Those 6 would still represent one of St Johns best recruiting classes of the past 20 years with 3 top 50 players. Sampson was also top 50 and Pelle 51 on RSCI.
Guess you could throw in Nuri and Stith with the non qualifiers for quitting (Boothe graduated the year before).
Crazy thing is only 5 guys stayed on the roster for that entire year and they were all first year D1 players, with the 3 others only playing parts of the year. That team won 6 conference games.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
1/3 is Garrett. He ended up playing over 20 games that season. Of course the two who didn't qualify were Sampson who came the next year and Pelle who never made it. Those that made it to start the season were Dlo, PHil, GG, Dom Nuri, and Mo. Those 6 would still represent one of St Johns best recruiting classes of the past 20 years with 3 top 50 players. Sampson was also top 50 and Pelle 51 on RSCI.
Guess you could throw in Nuri and Stith with the non qualifiers for quitting (Boothe graduated the year before).
Crazy thing is only 5 guys stayed on the roster for that entire year and they were all first year D1 players, with the 3 others only playing parts of the year. That team won 6 conference games.
Probably on paper the 3nd best class since I have been a fan. Lopez / Hamilton class would be one and Sealy /Werdann two.
Just off top of my head with no research as that is how I roll.
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He’s complete shit.
Sadly, you have no respect and should be ashamed of yourself.
Keep this up and you'll wind up meeting with Hades in the end.
No, can't be. Poison is a humanitarian, nothing but love in his teeny tiny liberal heart. He would never speak ill of someone, not the way you are raised in Scarsdale.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
When Harrison was suspended SJ was 16-12, having lost four of their last six in February when they're supposed to be playing their best ball, with these remaining four games: Providence on the road, #24 ND on the road, #15 marquette at home, and Villanova @MSG. Coincidence? Not bloody likely.
Oh the bright side LAvin did go on to win the one post season game of his storied career, beating mighty St Joe's. So there's that.
There's no coincidence that you're aware of.
I guess sort of. A coincidence requires two events to occur concurrently without any apparent connection. I'm postulating a connection between SJ losing a bunch of games and facing a bunch more losses and Harrison getting suspended so that Lavin would have an excuse for losing those games, 9 out of his last 11. Because otherwise he'd have to face up to the fact that he sucks. And in fact I think Lavin is so lacking in self-awareness that he might have sabotaged himself unconsciously while at the same time portraying himself in a sympathetic and heroic light. Because he's completely coo coo for cocoa puffs. It's true that if what I think is true is false then there was a coincidence of which I'm not aware. But as I said I find it unlikely that what I believe to be true is false, because if I thought it were false I wouldn't think it was true.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
1/3 is Garrett. He ended up playing over 20 games that season. Of course the two who didn't qualify were Sampson who came the next year and Pelle who never made it. Those that made it to start the season were Dlo, PHil, GG, Dom Nuri, and Mo. Those 6 would still represent one of St Johns best recruiting classes of the past 20 years with 3 top 50 players. Sampson was also top 50 and Pelle 51 on RSCI.
Guess you could throw in Nuri and Stith with the non qualifiers for quitting (Boothe graduated the year before).
Crazy thing is only 5 guys stayed on the roster for that entire year and they were all first year D1 players, with the 3 others only playing parts of the year. That team won 6 conference games.
Probably on paper the 3nd best class since I have been a fan. Lopez / Hamilton class would be one and Sealy /Werdann two.
Just off top of my head with no research as that is how I roll.
I'd agree with that assessment though Tarik did come with Felipe and Zendon . . .
Artest, Jessie, Crooks, Felton was considered a pretty good class as well. More bust than boom though besides Metta.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
1/3 is Garrett. He ended up playing over 20 games that season. Of course the two who didn't qualify were Sampson who came the next year and Pelle who never made it. Those that made it to start the season were Dlo, PHil, GG, Dom Nuri, and Mo. Those 6 would still represent one of St Johns best recruiting classes of the past 20 years with 3 top 50 players. Sampson was also top 50 and Pelle 51 on RSCI.
Guess you could throw in Nuri and Stith with the non qualifiers for quitting (Boothe graduated the year before).
Crazy thing is only 5 guys stayed on the roster for that entire year and they were all first year D1 players, with the 3 others only playing parts of the year. That team won 6 conference games.
Probably on paper the 3nd best class since I have been a fan. Lopez / Hamilton class would be one and Sealy /Werdann two.
Just off top of my head with no research as that is how I roll.
I'd agree with that assessment though Tarik did come with Felipe and Zendon . . .
Artest, Jessie, Crooks, Felton was considered a pretty good class as well. More bust than boom though besides Metta.
Tarik was highly regarded I believe. Oak Hill correct?
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Yes and yes.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
When Harrison was suspended SJ was 16-12, having lost four of their last six in February when they're supposed to be playing their best ball, with these remaining four games: Providence on the road, #24 ND on the road, #15 marquette at home, and Villanova @MSG. Coincidence? Not bloody likely.
Oh the bright side LAvin did go on to win the one post season game of his storied career, beating mighty St Joe's. So there's that.
There's no coincidence that you're aware of.
I guess sort of. A coincidence requires two events to occur concurrently without any apparent connection. I'm postulating a connection between SJ losing a bunch of games and facing a bunch more losses and Harrison getting suspended so that Lavin would have an excuse for losing those games, 9 out of his last 11. Because otherwise he'd have to face up to the fact that he sucks. And in fact I think Lavin is so lacking in self-awareness that he might have sabotaged himself unconsciously while at the same time portraying himself in a sympathetic and heroic light. Because he's completely coo coo for cocoa puffs. It's true that if what I think is true is false then there was a coincidence of which I'm not aware. But as I said I find it unlikely that what I believe to be true is false, because if I thought it were false I wouldn't think it was true.
Don't forget Lavin's conscious act of self-sabotage when he suspended one of his 6 players and his only big at noon on selection Sunday. Still the one thing that makes me despise that guy
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
Delarosa too
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
In that last sentence, you misspelled paid and forgot to put the word got in front of it
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
A defiant Chris Mullin was asked about his team's record a few times today. His response: "I'm not gonna give up, ever. You're gonna have to put me in the ground and bury me."
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
A defiant Chris Mullin was asked about his team's record a few times today. His response: "I'm not gonna give up, ever. You're gonna have to put me in the ground and bury me."
And here I was worried....
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And thankfully that should do it for this thread for a while, he said optimistically.
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
"I don’t know that give-up word. I’m not about that at all. I’m about jugular vein. Keep coming, keep fighting, keep throwing blows. Keep showing up. That’s what I’m about, and that’s what my players are about. " -- Chris Mullin #sjubb
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
"I don’t know that give-up word. I’m not about that at all. I’m about jugular vein. Keep coming, keep fighting, keep throwing blows. Keep showing up. That’s what I’m about, and that’s what my players are about. " -- Chris Mullin #sjubb
The quote that fordham posted and the quote you've posted.... I'm glad he said as much. But, I'd also expect him to say as much.
Too bad this conference is unforgiving, and ass kickings normally beat words.
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
A defiant Chris Mullin was asked about his team's record a few times today. His response: "I'm not gonna give up, ever. You're gonna have to put me in the ground and bury me."
Oh great. But I guess there is a chance since he has already put the program in the ground and buried it.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
When Harrison was suspended SJ was 16-12, having lost four of their last six in February when they're supposed to be playing their best ball, with these remaining four games: Providence on the road, #24 ND on the road, #15 marquette at home, and Villanova @MSG. Coincidence? Not bloody likely.
Oh the bright side LAvin did go on to win the one post season game of his storied career, beating mighty St Joe's. So there's that.
There's no coincidence that you're aware of.
I guess sort of. A coincidence requires two events to occur concurrently without any apparent connection. I'm postulating a connection between SJ losing a bunch of games and facing a bunch more losses and Harrison getting suspended so that Lavin would have an excuse for losing those games, 9 out of his last 11. Because otherwise he'd have to face up to the fact that he sucks. And in fact I think Lavin is so lacking in self-awareness that he might have sabotaged himself unconsciously while at the same time portraying himself in a sympathetic and heroic light. Because he's completely coo coo for cocoa puffs. It's true that if what I think is true is false then there was a coincidence of which I'm not aware. But as I said I find it unlikely that what I believe to be true is false, because if I thought it were false I wouldn't think it was true.
Don't forget Lavin's conscious act of self-sabotage when he suspended one of his 6 players and his only big at noon on selection Sunday. Still the one thing that makes me despise that guy
You think that was Lavin’s fault? Was it his weed? There’s this thing called the NCAA. They kinda say what goes. Obekpa failed a drug test. Lavin paid the price with his job. Mullin has recruited a kid that assaulted a police officer, a kid with a criminal record and a kid who changed his mind after he was already in classes at the school.
Mullin was brought here to bring the hard working NYC persona back to the school. I don’t see it anywhere in our style of play, and I certainly don’t see it from him.
Instead we have
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
When Harrison was suspended SJ was 16-12, having lost four of their last six in February when they're supposed to be playing their best ball, with these remaining four games: Providence on the road, #24 ND on the road, #15 marquette at home, and Villanova @MSG. Coincidence? Not bloody likely.
Oh the bright side LAvin did go on to win the one post season game of his storied career, beating mighty St Joe's. So there's that.
There's no coincidence that you're aware of.
I guess sort of. A coincidence requires two events to occur concurrently without any apparent connection. I'm postulating a connection between SJ losing a bunch of games and facing a bunch more losses and Harrison getting suspended so that Lavin would have an excuse for losing those games, 9 out of his last 11. Because otherwise he'd have to face up to the fact that he sucks. And in fact I think Lavin is so lacking in self-awareness that he might have sabotaged himself unconsciously while at the same time portraying himself in a sympathetic and heroic light. Because he's completely coo coo for cocoa puffs. It's true that if what I think is true is false then there was a coincidence of which I'm not aware. But as I said I find it unlikely that what I believe to be true is false, because if I thought it were false I wouldn't think it was true.
Don't forget Lavin's conscious act of self-sabotage when he suspended one of his 6 players and his only big at noon on selection Sunday. Still the one thing that makes me despise that guy
You think that was Lavin’s fault? Was it his weed? There’s this thing called the NCAA. They kinda say what goes. Obekpa failed a drug test. Lavin paid the price with his job. Mullin has recruited a kid that assaulted a police officer, a kid with a criminal record and a kid who changed his mind after he was already in classes at the school.
Mullin was brought here to bring the hard working NYC persona back to the school. I don’t see it anywhere in our style of play, and I certainly don’t see it from him.
Instead we have
Yeah, goredmen. IIRC, Obekpa was suspended by the NCAA because he failed the piss test. That had nothing to do with Lavin.
The only egregious (I wouldn't even call it that, either.... a bit of poor judgement) thing Lavin may have done leading up to the tournament was mentioning DJ Kennedy was done for the season a couple of days before the NCAA Tournament Selection Show. It likely cost us a seed. Instead of being a 5th seed, we ended up being a 6th seed.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
When Harrison was suspended SJ was 16-12, having lost four of their last six in February when they're supposed to be playing their best ball, with these remaining four games: Providence on the road, #24 ND on the road, #15 marquette at home, and Villanova @MSG. Coincidence? Not bloody likely.
Oh the bright side LAvin did go on to win the one post season game of his storied career, beating mighty St Joe's. So there's that.
There's no coincidence that you're aware of.
I guess sort of. A coincidence requires two events to occur concurrently without any apparent connection. I'm postulating a connection between SJ losing a bunch of games and facing a bunch more losses and Harrison getting suspended so that Lavin would have an excuse for losing those games, 9 out of his last 11. Because otherwise he'd have to face up to the fact that he sucks. And in fact I think Lavin is so lacking in self-awareness that he might have sabotaged himself unconsciously while at the same time portraying himself in a sympathetic and heroic light. Because he's completely coo coo for cocoa puffs. It's true that if what I think is true is false then there was a coincidence of which I'm not aware. But as I said I find it unlikely that what I believe to be true is false, because if I thought it were false I wouldn't think it was true.
Don't forget Lavin's conscious act of self-sabotage when he suspended one of his 6 players and his only big at noon on selection Sunday. Still the one thing that makes me despise that guy
You think that was Lavin’s fault? Was it his weed? There’s this thing called the NCAA. They kinda say what goes. Obekpa failed a drug test. Lavin paid the price with his job. Mullin has recruited a kid that assaulted a police officer, a kid with a criminal record and a kid who changed his mind after he was already in classes at the school.
Mullin was brought here to bring the hard working NYC persona back to the school. I don’t see it anywhere in our style of play, and I certainly don’t see it from him.
Instead we have
Yeah, goredmen. IIRC, Obekpa was suspended by the NCAA because he failed the piss test. That had nothing to do with Lavin.
The only egregious (I wouldn't even call it that, either.... a bit of poor judgement) thing Lavin may have done leading up to the tournament was mentioning DJ Kennedy was done for the season a couple of days before the NCAA Tournament Selection Show. It likely cost us a seed. Instead of being a 5th seed, we ended up being a 6th seed.
You don't recall correctly. He was suspended by the team. The NCAA had nothing to do with it. And while it was assumed it was because of a failed drug test, there was no official statement confirming that. Just a "violation of team rules".
http://www.espn.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12488855/st-john-suspends-c-chris-obekpa-2-weeks-miss-postseason-games
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031515aaa.html
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http://dalydoseofhoops.blogspot.com/2018/01/st-johns-still-not-waving-white-flag.html
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
When Harrison was suspended SJ was 16-12, having lost four of their last six in February when they're supposed to be playing their best ball, with these remaining four games: Providence on the road, #24 ND on the road, #15 marquette at home, and Villanova @MSG. Coincidence? Not bloody likely.
Oh the bright side LAvin did go on to win the one post season game of his storied career, beating mighty St Joe's. So there's that.
There's no coincidence that you're aware of.
I guess sort of. A coincidence requires two events to occur concurrently without any apparent connection. I'm postulating a connection between SJ losing a bunch of games and facing a bunch more losses and Harrison getting suspended so that Lavin would have an excuse for losing those games, 9 out of his last 11. Because otherwise he'd have to face up to the fact that he sucks. And in fact I think Lavin is so lacking in self-awareness that he might have sabotaged himself unconsciously while at the same time portraying himself in a sympathetic and heroic light. Because he's completely coo coo for cocoa puffs. It's true that if what I think is true is false then there was a coincidence of which I'm not aware. But as I said I find it unlikely that what I believe to be true is false, because if I thought it were false I wouldn't think it was true.
Don't forget Lavin's conscious act of self-sabotage when he suspended one of his 6 players and his only big at noon on selection Sunday. Still the one thing that makes me despise that guy
You think that was Lavin’s fault? Was it his weed? There’s this thing called the NCAA. They kinda say what goes. Obekpa failed a drug test. Lavin paid the price with his job. Mullin has recruited a kid that assaulted a police officer, a kid with a criminal record and a kid who changed his mind after he was already in classes at the school.
Mullin was brought here to bring the hard working NYC persona back to the school. I don’t see it anywhere in our style of play, and I certainly don’t see it from him.
Instead we have
Yeah, goredmen. IIRC, Obekpa was suspended by the NCAA because he failed the piss test. That had nothing to do with Lavin.
The only egregious (I wouldn't even call it that, either.... a bit of poor judgement) thing Lavin may have done leading up to the tournament was mentioning DJ Kennedy was done for the season a couple of days before the NCAA Tournament Selection Show. It likely cost us a seed. Instead of being a 5th seed, we ended up being a 6th seed.
You don't recall correctly. He was suspended by the team. The NCAA had nothing to do with it. And while it was assumed it was because of a failed drug test, there was no official statement confirming that. Just a "violation of team rules".
http://www.espn.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12488855/st-john-suspends-c-chris-obekpa-2-weeks-miss-postseason-games
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031515aaa.html
I stand corrected.
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Half way to 0-18..... What an embarrassment. Any other coach not named Chris Mullin would be squarely on the hot seat right now.
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
As a coach, even a bad one, you get the sense of who is beyond redemption. Harrison was good kid whose actions were directly detrimental to the team. Jordan was a lost cause who wasn't going to change and whose selfishness and immaturity had more of an indirect effect on the team. It's probably unfair to give one player different treatment but that is just the reality of college basketball. There is also a connection you develop with each player and you don't want to hurt them outside of basketball. Ball was the only thing holding Jordan's life togetjer.
You can't even imagine the stuff that coaches have to deal with on a day to day basis. That is the reason I turned down my mentor's offer to take over the team and left the field entirely. I didn't want to deal with that for the next 40 years.
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AD Goff's face said it all throughout the game. Hand on his mouth almost as if he couldn't believe what he was watching.
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Half way to 0-18..... What an embarrassment. Any other coach not named Chris Mullin would be squarely on the hot seat right now.
If his name was anything but Chris Mullin for once we would all agree. Not the nicest most understanding poster would want him.
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AD Goff's face said it all throughout the game. Hand on his mouth almost as if he couldn't believe what he was watching.
Is it possible he had a toothache? Because it's hard to believe he was stunned by watching St John's lose. He must be new. I've been around a while and I can't believe it when I see them win.
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AD Goff's face said it all throughout the game. Hand on his mouth almost as if he couldn't believe what he was watching.
Is it possible he had a toothache? Because it's hard to believe he was stunned by watching St John's lose. He must be new. I've been around a while and I can't believe it when I see them win.
Are you conceding?
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AD Goff's face said it all throughout the game. Hand on his mouth almost as if he couldn't believe what he was watching.
Is it possible he had a toothache? Because it's hard to believe he was stunned by watching St John's lose. He must be new. I've been around a while and I can't believe it when I see them win.
Are you conceding?
Conceding what stupid.
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Mullin's seat is not hot, everyone else's is on fire
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Baldi is correct . Chris isnt going anywhere. The boosters are 40-50-60 years old will never get rid of him. Staff changes will happen but CM will be here till he decides he doesnt want to.
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Half way to 0-18..... What an embarrassment. Any other coach not named Chris Mullin would be squarely on the hot seat right now.
If his name was anything but Chris Mullin for once we would all agree. Not the nicest most understanding poster would want him.
If his name was anything other then Chris Mullin he wouldn't have been given the job in the first place
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AD Goff's face said it all throughout the game. Hand on his mouth almost as if he couldn't believe what he was watching.
Is it possible he had a toothache? Because it's hard to believe he was stunned by watching St John's lose. He must be new. I've been around a while and I can't believe it when I see them win.
Are you conceding?
Conceding what stupid.
That maybe our current coach may not be fully up to the job. Maybe
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what about Goff's seat? He's the AD. Given the overwhelming evidence to date, if Goff doesn't advocate for making a move then he should be shown the door as well.
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Baldi is correct . Chris isnt going anywhere. The boosters are 40-50-60 years old will never get rid of him. Staff changes will happen but CM will be here till he decides he doesnt want to.
It's going to be a rough however many years until CM realizes he isn't a good coach and quits.
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what about Goff's seat? He's the AD. Given the overwhelming evidence to date, if Goff doesn't advocate for making a move then he should be shown the door as well.
Goff is going to sit down with Mullin and let him know changes have to be made. Goff also knows who the source is in these articles
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You have to give Mullin another year. Ironically despite our record . we have played good teams close. The key to next year is we need our core to return and augment the staff. That said, We are St Johns, I get the feeling that our core returning is a big if and that can derail our plans. Really hope Brooks signs. Has a real inside game. Which is another problem this year. Despite Clarks bulk and Owens height, they have a propensity to play on the perimiter, which leaves them out of position for rebounds. Clark doesnt have a good inside game and is more of a 3 than 4 and Owens is more of a 4 than 5.
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what about Goff's seat? He's the AD. Given the overwhelming evidence to date, if Goff doesn't advocate for making a move then he should be shown the door as well.
Goff is going to sit down with Mullin and let him know changes have to be made. Goff also knows who the source is in these articles
It's pretty obvious...the only guy who gets a positive mention. Matt A a slimy Fvck. We have six kids and he's the lead recruiter. He deserves more heat for this year.
With that written, I think we need a creative recruiter like him to finish off the roster via the transfer game.
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AD Goff's face said it all throughout the game. Hand on his mouth almost as if he couldn't believe what he was watching.
Is it possible he had a toothache? Because it's hard to believe he was stunned by watching St John's lose. He must be new. I've been around a while and I can't believe it when I see them win.
Are you conceding?
Conceding what stupid.
That maybe our current coach may not be fully up to the job. Maybe
Oh. No, I wasn't conceding that at all. I wasn't even addressing that. I speaking in general terms.
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what about Goff's seat? He's the AD. Given the overwhelming evidence to date, if Goff doesn't advocate for making a move then he should be shown the door as well.
Goff is going to sit down with Mullin and let him know changes have to be made. Goff also knows who the source is in these articles
It's pretty obvious...the only guy who gets a positive mention. Matt A a slimy Fvck. We have six kids and he's the lead recruiter. He deserves more heat for this year.
With that written, I think we need a creative recruiter like him to finish off the roster via the transfer game.
I believe he is the first to go
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what about Goff's seat? He's the AD. Given the overwhelming evidence to date, if Goff doesn't advocate for making a move then he should be shown the door as well.
Goff is going to sit down with Mullin and let him know changes have to be made. Goff also knows who the source is in these articles
It's pretty obvious...the only guy who gets a positive mention. Matt A a slimy Fvck. We have six kids and he's the lead recruiter. He deserves more heat for this year.
With that written, I think we need a creative recruiter like him to finish off the roster via the transfer game.
I believe he is the first to go
Didn’t he just get an extension?
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what about Goff's seat? He's the AD. Given the overwhelming evidence to date, if Goff doesn't advocate for making a move then he should be shown the door as well.
I'm not a fan of Goff's social media shtick at all. The younger crowd thinks he's the greatest thing since sliced bread because he responds to their twitter questions. I was infuriated the other day when he stated these losses are tougher on him and the staff because they "live it 24/7" compared to us. I'd give my right arm to get paid millions doing a job in sports.
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what about Goff's seat? He's the AD. Given the overwhelming evidence to date, if Goff doesn't advocate for making a move then he should be shown the door as well.
Goff is going to sit down with Mullin and let him know changes have to be made. Goff also knows who the source is in these articles
It's pretty obvious...the only guy who gets a positive mention. Matt A a slimy Fvck. We have six kids and he's the lead recruiter. He deserves more heat for this year.
With that written, I think we need a creative recruiter like him to finish off the roster via the transfer game.
I believe he is the first to go
Didn’t he just get an extension?
I’m not sure about an extension, but he did get a raise last year.
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I'd give my right arm to get paid millions doing a job in sports.
It'd be pretty funny if you gave up your right arm in exchange for getting paid a million dollars for doing a job in sports and the job was golfer.
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I'd give my right arm to get paid millions doing a job in sports.
It'd be pretty funny if you gave up your right arm in exchange for getting paid a million dollars for doing a job in sports and the job was golfer.
https://youtu.be/KamCxYGzLjc
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I'd give my right arm to get paid millions doing a job in sports.
It'd be pretty funny if you gave up your right arm in exchange for getting paid a million dollars for doing a job in sports and the job was golfer.
https://youtu.be/KamCxYGzLjc
How's his short game.
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I'd give my right arm to get paid millions doing a job in sports.
It'd be pretty funny if you gave up your right arm in exchange for getting paid a million dollars for doing a job in sports and the job was golfer.
https://youtu.be/KamCxYGzLjc
I got beat by two one armed golfers in my day. One was a scratch golfer before a stroke, so that wasn't so bad. The other? I don't want to talk about it.
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
I think his articles are non sense. Taken from info from here
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
I think his articles are non sense. Taken from info from here
HA. Instead of Basketball for dummies this site could write Basketball written by dummies.
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
I think his articles are non sense. Taken from info from here
HA. Instead of Basketball for dummies this site could write Basketball written by dummies.
Great point dick v
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
I understand you were given this info to pass it along to us. Why would Matt be the source? What was said was untrue?
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
I understand you were given this info to pass it along to us. Why would Matt be the source? What was said was untrue?
Seriously?
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
I think his articles are non sense. Taken from info from here
HA. Instead of Basketball for dummies this site could write Basketball written by dummies.
Great point dick v
Captain Caveman you do know that the Dickie V, Berry as well as Mia Khalifa were jokes right?
And Dickie V was a shot at Lavin where we dusted him off from TV
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
I understand you were given this info to pass it along to us. Why would Matt be the source? What was said was untrue?
Seriously?
Yes . He could just leave if he was unhappy. I don’t get it.
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
I understand you were given this info to pass it along to us. Why would Matt be the source? What was said was untrue?
Seriously?
Yes . He could just leave if he was unhappy. I don’t get it.
And bring his nothingness with him
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
I understand you were given this info to pass it along to us. Why would Matt be the source? What was said was untrue?
Seriously?
Yes . He could just leave if he was unhappy. I don’t get it.
And bring his nothingness with him
Ok. Why would he want to put this job in jeopardy? He makes plenty of money.
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
I understand you were given this info to pass it along to us. Why would Matt be the source? What was said was untrue?
Seriously?
Yes . He could just leave if he was unhappy. I don’t get it.
And bring his nothingness with him
Ok. Why would he want to put this job in jeopardy? He makes plenty of money.
Because he has another one lined up
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
I understand you were given this info to pass it along to us. Why would Matt be the source? What was said was untrue?
Seriously?
Yes . He could just leave if he was unhappy. I don’t get it.
And bring his nothingness with him
Ok. Why would he want to put this job in jeopardy? He makes plenty of money.
Because he has another one lined up
Still makes no sense. You don’t want to burn bridges. Especially for no reason. Anyone hiring Matt knows he isn’t a coach.
I am sure guys will be lining up next year to work for this mess. That is part of the 2 year plan.
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I'd give my right arm to get paid millions doing a job in sports.
It'd be pretty funny if you gave up your right arm in exchange for getting paid a million dollars for doing a job in sports and the job was golfer.
https://youtu.be/KamCxYGzLjc
One-armed golfers always have good shortgames. And on occasion two-armed guys go one-armed short game, two I know were cured of the yips using the on-handed method
How's his short game.
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
Since we're doing the "Baldi asks vague questions implying he knows something he doesnt" routine, I'll play:
Who else, other than Matt, has intimate knowledge of CM's coaching style only isnt in jeopardy of losing their job by spilling to a reporter? Maybe somebody with a bone to pick with CM or the University ? Thats your source.
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
Since we're doing the "Baldi asks vague questions implying he knows something he doesnt" routine, I'll play:
Who else, other than Matt, has intimate knowledge of CM's coaching style only isnt in jeopardy of losing their job by spilling to a reporter? Maybe somebody with a bone to pick with CM or the University ? Thats your source.
The source is on the staff. It's obvious
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
Since we're doing the "Baldi asks vague questions implying he knows something he doesnt" routine, I'll play:
Who else, other than Matt, has intimate knowledge of CM's coaching style only isnt in jeopardy of losing their job by spilling to a reporter? Maybe somebody with a bone to pick with CM or the University ? Thats your source.
The source WAS on the staff. It's obvious
FTFY
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Whether you want Mullin to succeed, don't think Mullin will succeed or just want ST john's to be decent next year should answer all question. If we are really bad next year I believe one way or the other it will be Mullin's last year. If we are decent to good maybe we can start to move forward. With Norm I never really got a sense on when it would finally end. Meaning what exact season would be his put up or shut up year. I think we have reached that point with Mullin so other than those who will always be unhappy I think people just need to be patient one more year. One way or the other.
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Whether you want Mullin to succeed, don't think Mullin will succeed or just want ST john's to be decent next year should answer all question. If we are really bad next year I believe one way or the other it will be Mullin's last year. If we are decent to good maybe we can start to move forward. With Norm I never really got a sense on when it would finally end. Meaning what exact season would be his put up or shut up year. I think we have reached that point with Mullin so other than those who will always be unhappy I think people just need to be patient one more year. One way or the other.
Honestly it's really not even worth entertaining that we'll be bad next year. Even with the entire current staff and no system change these guys will win 8-10 conference games with the two extra guards and whatever forwards show up. We can even absorb two transfers unless it's Ponds which makes no sense given his pro timeline. You don't fire a coach after a conference wing like that whose best players will be seniors. The roster would all depart and we'd be back to the drawing board.
No way Ponds/Dixon/Simon/Trimble/Willliams/Diakate/Brooks/Keita/Clark/Yakwe/Owens is worse than what we had two years ago. Take away Brooks like you want and a big transfer and we are still so much deeper, experiences, and more complete.
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No way Ponds/Dixon/Simon/Trimble/Willliams/Diakate/Brooks/Keita/Clark/Yakwe/Owens is worse than what we had two years ago.
Let's not forget Mr. Roberts. :)
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Whether you want Mullin to succeed, don't think Mullin will succeed or just want ST john's to be decent next year should answer all question. If we are really bad next year I believe one way or the other it will be Mullin's last year. If we are decent to good maybe we can start to move forward. With Norm I never really got a sense on when it would finally end. Meaning what exact season would be his put up or shut up year. I think we have reached that point with Mullin so other than those who will always be unhappy I think people just need to be patient one more year. One way or the other.
Honestly it's really not even worth entertaining that we'll be bad next year. Even with the entire current staff and no system change these guys will win 8-10 conference games with the two extra guards and whatever forwards show up. We can even absorb two transfers unless it's Ponds which makes no sense given his pro timeline. You don't fire a coach after a conference wing like that whose best players will be seniors. The roster would all depart and we'd be back to the drawing board.
No way Ponds/Dixon/Simon/Trimble/Willliams/Diakate/Brooks/Keita/Clark/Yakwe/Owens is worse than what we had two years ago. Take away Brooks like you want and a big transfer and we are still so much deeper, experiences, and more complete.
You have been a fan a long time. You really believe that stuff. We should be better , we couldn't be worse. I want Mullin to succeed but I would not bet the ranch we will. I think if we get in the 17-18 range it should be thought of as nice improvement and this year an anomaly in the progress we have shown since he took over. But We Are ST John's, so you never know.
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Are we still sweating Matt A?
Why would he do this? Nothing said was bad
Every ariticle written about this staff, who does the author praise?
Since we're doing the "Baldi asks vague questions implying he knows something he doesnt" routine, I'll play:
Who else, other than Matt, has intimate knowledge of CM's coaching style only isnt in jeopardy of losing their job by spilling to a reporter? Maybe somebody with a bone to pick with CM or the University ? Thats your source.
The source WAS on the staff. It's obvious
FTFY
A friend of Matt A posting here. Nice
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Whether you want Mullin to succeed, don't think Mullin will succeed or just want ST john's to be decent next year should answer all question. If we are really bad next year I believe one way or the other it will be Mullin's last year. If we are decent to good maybe we can start to move forward. With Norm I never really got a sense on when it would finally end. Meaning what exact season would be his put up or shut up year. I think we have reached that point with Mullin so other than those who will always be unhappy I think people just need to be patient one more year. One way or the other.
Honestly it's really not even worth entertaining that we'll be bad next year. Even with the entire current staff and no system change these guys will win 8-10 conference games with the two extra guards and whatever forwards show up. We can even absorb two transfers unless it's Ponds which makes no sense given his pro timeline. You don't fire a coach after a conference wing like that whose best players will be seniors. The roster would all depart and we'd be back to the drawing board.
No way Ponds/Dixon/Simon/Trimble/Willliams/Diakate/Brooks/Keita/Clark/Yakwe/Owens is worse than what we had two years ago. Take away Brooks like you want and a big transfer and we are still so much deeper, experiences, and more complete.
You have been a fan a long time. You really believe that stuff. We should be better , we couldn't be worse. I want Mullin to succeed but I would not bet the ranch we will. I think if we get in the 17-18 range it should be thought of as nice improvement and this year an anomaly in the progress we have shown since he took over. But We Are ST John's, so you never know.
Here is the thing with Marillac and he is the master of crazy predictions in which he will argue to death over making his point. I have to give him credit with his convictions though. It's not like he is one of the guys that is never right. He was pretty much against Norm from day 1 from what I can remember. Lavins last year we hit a bad run in the beginning to mid season and he pretty much was doing a Jim Fassel guarantee arguing we would make the ncaa's and I'm pretty sure he offered to bet another poster and Marillac wouldn't back down and gave his reason. He was right in both circumstances
I'm surely in the not happy camp and am not confident in next year but I can see how next year can work out if everything breaks right which is why I'm not for firing Mullin. But when I read Marillac's posts I dont discard it. His is an opinion even if I dont agree I think it's worth listening to and he very well might end up right
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Whether you want Mullin to succeed, don't think Mullin will succeed or just want ST john's to be decent next year should answer all question. If we are really bad next year I believe one way or the other it will be Mullin's last year. If we are decent to good maybe we can start to move forward. With Norm I never really got a sense on when it would finally end. Meaning what exact season would be his put up or shut up year. I think we have reached that point with Mullin so other than those who will always be unhappy I think people just need to be patient one more year. One way or the other.
Honestly it's really not even worth entertaining that we'll be bad next year. Even with the entire current staff and no system change these guys will win 8-10 conference games with the two extra guards and whatever forwards show up. We can even absorb two transfers unless it's Ponds which makes no sense given his pro timeline. You don't fire a coach after a conference wing like that whose best players will be seniors. The roster would all depart and we'd be back to the drawing board.
No way Ponds/Dixon/Simon/Trimble/Willliams/Diakate/Brooks/Keita/Clark/Yakwe/Owens is worse than what we had two years ago. Take away Brooks like you want and a big transfer and we are still so much deeper, experiences, and more complete.
You have been a fan a long time. You really believe that stuff. We should be better , we couldn't be worse. I want Mullin to succeed but I would not bet the ranch we will. I think if we get in the 17-18 range it should be thought of as nice improvement and this year an anomaly in the progress we have shown since he took over. But We Are ST John's, so you never know.
Here is the thing with Marillac and he is the master of crazy predictions in which he will argue to death over making his point. I have to give him credit with his convictions though. It's not like he is one of the guys that is never right. He was pretty much against Norm from day 1 from what I can remember. Lavins last year we hit a bad run in the beginning to mid season and he pretty much was doing a Jim Fassel guarantee arguing we would make the ncaa's and I'm pretty sure he offered to bet another poster and Marillac wouldn't back down and gave his reason. He was right in both circumstances
I'm surely in the not happy camp and am not confident in next year but I can see how next year can work out if everything breaks right which is why I'm not for firing Mullin. But when I read Marillac's posts I dont discard it. His is an opinion even if I dont agree I think it's worth listening to and he very well might end up right
I called Lavin's first season when some were complaining early, and I believe I called his last season, too.
Thing is he calls out a lot of stuff, and a lot of it doesn't actually come to fruition. He or others just never bring it up. If you say enough shit, then some of it will eventually come to pass.
If there is no significant change(s) to this staff then I expect similar or slightly better results (that is based on Ponds returning, Dixon and Brooks coming in).
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I called Lavin's first season when some were complaining early, and I believe I called his last season, too.
Maybe change, your name to, MJK,reskin, I have some spoons. you can, bend, if anyone, doubts, you.
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It's not like he is one of the guys that is never right.
Noting to do with Mariilac specifically but: everyone is right sometimes. You have to be Eddie Mush to be wrong all the time. The more things you predict the more likely you are to be correct. The thing is, nobody mentions all the times they were wrong. Marillac doesn't bring up Navy seal Malik Stith. He doesn't mention Dom Pointer, who he called the worst most wasted scholarship in SJ history. Which is not to call him out. I once predicted that Tomas Jasilionustien would make a serviceable fourth year player. After watching Yawke as a freshman I predicted he was a stone cold stud. He's not and I don't point to that as proof of my bona fides. The guy who thought Xtian Jones would make everyone forget Jakarr Sampson doesn't crow about that. Everyone makes mistakes and nobody brings up them up and otoh everyone brags about their lucky guesses
I don't know what any of this means except I wish SJU had won two or three games this year instead of none so that we could have reasonably interesting conversations about one of the few sports I care about, as opposed to this relentless woe is me fa ggg otry, which is evidently going continue on for the next nine months.
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It's not like he is one of the guys that is never right.
Noting to do with Mariilac specifically but: everyone is right sometimes. You have to be Eddie Mush to be wrong all the time. The more things you predict the more likely you are to be correct. The thing is, nobody mentions all the times they were wrong. Marillac doesn't bring up Navy seal Malik Stith. He doesn't mention Dom Pointer, who he called the worst most wasted scholarship in SJ history. Which is not to call him out. I once predicted that Tomas Jasilionustien would make a serviceable fourth year player. After watching Yawke as a freshman I predicted he was a stone cold stud. He's not and I don't point to that as proof of my bona fides. The guy who thought Xtian Jones would make everyone forget Jakarr Sampson doesn't crow about that. Everyone makes mistakes and nobody brings up them up and otoh everyone brags about their lucky guesses
I don't know what any of this means except I wish SJU had won two or three games this year instead of none so that we could have reasonably interesting conversations about one of the few sports I care about, as opposed to this relentless woe is me fa ggg otry, which is evidently going continue on for the next nine months.
Pretty sure Ponds / Steph Curry thing going haunt him at some point
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It's not like he is one of the guys that is never right.
Noting to do with Mariilac specifically but: everyone is right sometimes. You have to be Eddie Mush to be wrong all the time. The more things you predict the more likely you are to be correct. The thing is, nobody mentions all the times they were wrong. Marillac doesn't bring up Navy seal Malik Stith. He doesn't mention Dom Pointer, who he called the worst most wasted scholarship in SJ history. Which is not to call him out. I once predicted that Tomas Jasilionustien would make a serviceable fourth year player. After watching Yawke as a freshman I predicted he was a stone cold stud. He's not and I don't point to that as proof of my bona fides. The guy who thought Xtian Jones would make everyone forget Jakarr Sampson doesn't crow about that. Everyone makes mistakes and nobody brings up them up and otoh everyone brags about their lucky guesses
I don't know what any of this means except I wish SJU had won two or three games this year instead of none so that we could have reasonably interesting conversations about one of the few sports I care about, as opposed to this relentless woe is me fa ggg otry, which is evidently going continue on for the next nine months.
Pretty sure Ponds / Steph Curry thing going haunt him at some point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PLSyFzk-6g
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It's not like he is one of the guys that is never right.
Noting to do with Mariilac specifically but: everyone is right sometimes. You have to be Eddie Mush to be wrong all the time. The more things you predict the more likely you are to be correct. The thing is, nobody mentions all the times they were wrong. Marillac doesn't bring up Navy seal Malik Stith. He doesn't mention Dom Pointer, who he called the worst most wasted scholarship in SJ history. Which is not to call him out. I once predicted that Tomas Jasilionustien would make a serviceable fourth year player. After watching Yawke as a freshman I predicted he was a stone cold stud. He's not and I don't point to that as proof of my bona fides. The guy who thought Xtian Jones would make everyone forget Jakarr Sampson doesn't crow about that. Everyone makes mistakes and nobody brings up them up and otoh everyone brags about their lucky guesses
I don't know what any of this means except I wish SJU had won two or three games this year instead of none so that we could have reasonably interesting conversations about one of the few sports I care about, as opposed to this relentless woe is me fa ggg otry, which is evidently going continue on for the next nine months.
Pretty sure Ponds / Steph Curry thing going haunt him at some point
Ponds isn’t healthy.
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It's not like he is one of the guys that is never right.
Noting to do with Mariilac specifically but: everyone is right sometimes. You have to be Eddie Mush to be wrong all the time. The more things you predict the more likely you are to be correct. The thing is, nobody mentions all the times they were wrong. Marillac doesn't bring up Navy seal Malik Stith. He doesn't mention Dom Pointer, who he called the worst most wasted scholarship in SJ history. Which is not to call him out. I once predicted that Tomas Jasilionustien would make a serviceable fourth year player. After watching Yawke as a freshman I predicted he was a stone cold stud. He's not and I don't point to that as proof of my bona fides. The guy who thought Xtian Jones would make everyone forget Jakarr Sampson doesn't crow about that. Everyone makes mistakes and nobody brings up them up and otoh everyone brags about their lucky guesses
I don't know what any of this means except I wish SJU had won two or three games this year instead of none so that we could have reasonably interesting conversations about one of the few sports I care about, as opposed to this relentless woe is me fa ggg otry, which is evidently going continue on for the next nine months.
Pretty sure Ponds / Steph Curry thing going haunt him at some point
Ponds isn’t healthy.
Yeah otherwise he would be as good as Steph Curry.
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It's not like he is one of the guys that is never right.
Noting to do with Mariilac specifically but: everyone is right sometimes. You have to be Eddie Mush to be wrong all the time. The more things you predict the more likely you are to be correct. The thing is, nobody mentions all the times they were wrong. Marillac doesn't bring up Navy seal Malik Stith. He doesn't mention Dom Pointer, who he called the worst most wasted scholarship in SJ history. Which is not to call him out. I once predicted that Tomas Jasilionustien would make a serviceable fourth year player. After watching Yawke as a freshman I predicted he was a stone cold stud. He's not and I don't point to that as proof of my bona fides. The guy who thought Xtian Jones would make everyone forget Jakarr Sampson doesn't crow about that. Everyone makes mistakes and nobody brings up them up and otoh everyone brags about their lucky guesses
I don't know what any of this means except I wish SJU had won two or three games this year instead of none so that we could have reasonably interesting conversations about one of the few sports I care about, as opposed to this relentless woe is me fa ggg otry, which is evidently going continue on for the next nine months.
Pretty sure Ponds / Steph Curry thing going haunt him at some point
Ponds isn’t healthy.
Neither is anybody that compares Shamorie Ponds to Steph Curry in any way shape or form
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I'd give my right arm to get paid millions doing a job in sports.
It'd be pretty funny if you gave up your right arm in exchange for getting paid a million dollars for doing a job in sports and the job was golfer.
https://youtu.be/KamCxYGzLjc
I got beat by two one armed golfers in my day. One was a scratch golfer before a stroke, so that wasn't so bad. The other? I don't want to talk about it.
Could they out drive you?
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I'd give my right arm to get paid millions doing a job in sports.
It'd be pretty funny if you gave up your right arm in exchange for getting paid a million dollars for doing a job in sports and the job was golfer.
https://youtu.be/KamCxYGzLjc
I got beat by two one armed golfers in my day. One was a scratch golfer before a stroke, so that wasn't so bad. The other? I don't want to talk about it.
Could they out drive you?
Once played with a guy who did that Happy Gilmore drive thing. Ran up to the ball to hit it. Hit every fairway. Was really annoying
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I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that.
Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above.
Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.
2 1/3 of 9 = 50%? Common Core Math is alive and well.
Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in there for not lasting 10 games .
Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.
Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.
The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.
Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.
With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.
When Harrison was suspended SJ was 16-12, having lost four of their last six in February when they're supposed to be playing their best ball, with these remaining four games: Providence on the road, #24 ND on the road, #15 marquette at home, and Villanova @MSG. Coincidence? Not bloody likely.
Oh the bright side LAvin did go on to win the one post season game of his storied career, beating mighty St Joe's. So there's that.
There's no coincidence that you're aware of.
I guess sort of. A coincidence requires two events to occur concurrently without any apparent connection. I'm postulating a connection between SJ losing a bunch of games and facing a bunch more losses and Harrison getting suspended so that Lavin would have an excuse for losing those games, 9 out of his last 11. Because otherwise he'd have to face up to the fact that he sucks. And in fact I think Lavin is so lacking in self-awareness that he might have sabotaged himself unconsciously while at the same time portraying himself in a sympathetic and heroic light. Because he's completely coo coo for cocoa puffs. It's true that if what I think is true is false then there was a coincidence of which I'm not aware. But as I said I find it unlikely that what I believe to be true is false, because if I thought it were false I wouldn't think it was true.
Don't forget Lavin's conscious act of self-sabotage when he suspended one of his 6 players and his only big at noon on selection Sunday. Still the one thing that makes me despise that guy
You think that was Lavin’s fault? Was it his weed? There’s this thing called the NCAA. They kinda say what goes. Obekpa failed a drug test. Lavin paid the price with his job. Mullin has recruited a kid that assaulted a police officer, a kid with a criminal record and a kid who changed his mind after he was already in classes at the school.
Mullin was brought here to bring the hard working NYC persona back to the school. I don’t see it anywhere in our style of play, and I certainly don’t see it from him.
Instead we have
Yeah, goredmen. IIRC, Obekpa was suspended by the NCAA because he failed the piss test. That had nothing to do with Lavin.
The only egregious (I wouldn't even call it that, either.... a bit of poor judgement) thing Lavin may have done leading up to the tournament was mentioning DJ Kennedy was done for the season a couple of days before the NCAA Tournament Selection Show. It likely cost us a seed. Instead of being a 5th seed, we ended up being a 6th seed.
You don't recall correctly. He was suspended by the team. The NCAA had nothing to do with it. And while it was assumed it was because of a failed drug test, there was no official statement confirming that. Just a "violation of team rules".
http://www.espn.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12488855/st-john-suspends-c-chris-obekpa-2-weeks-miss-postseason-games
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031515aaa.html
I stand corrected.
I am pretty sure that if he had failed n NCAA mandated drug test v. school test, he would have been facing a 1 year suspension like Mitch McGarry was looking at..
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I'd give my right arm to get paid millions doing a job in sports.
It'd be pretty funny if you gave up your right arm in exchange for getting paid a million dollars for doing a job in sports and the job was golfer.
https://youtu.be/KamCxYGzLjc
I got beat by two one armed golfers in my day. One was a scratch golfer before a stroke, so that wasn't so bad. The other? I don't want to talk about it.
Could they out drive you?
Once played with a guy who did that Happy Gilmore drive thing. Ran up to the ball to hit it. Hit every fairway. Was really annoying
As if golf isn't a maddening enough game already haha. My clubs would've been thrown in the water by the third time he did it.
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I'd give my right arm to get paid millions doing a job in sports.
It'd be pretty funny if you gave up your right arm in exchange for getting paid a million dollars for doing a job in sports and the job was golfer.
https://youtu.be/KamCxYGzLjc
I got beat by two one armed golfers in my day. One was a scratch golfer before a stroke, so that wasn't so bad. The other? I don't want to talk about it.
Could they out drive you?
Once played with a guy who did that Happy Gilmore drive thing. Ran up to the ball to hit it. Hit every fairway. Was really annoying
As if golf isn't a maddening enough game already haha. My clubs would've been thrown in the water by the third time he did it.
Was crazy. Guy was not a good golfer just hit every fairway with that crazy drive. Over 250 too. Spring Meadow golf course down the shore in Jersey. My buddy and I both took a mulligan and tried it on 18th hole. Way right.
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I'd give my right arm to get paid millions doing a job in sports.
It'd be pretty funny if you gave up your right arm in exchange for getting paid a million dollars for doing a job in sports and the job was golfer.
https://youtu.be/KamCxYGzLjc
I got beat by two one armed golfers in my day. One was a scratch golfer before a stroke, so that wasn't so bad. The other? I don't want to talk about it.
Could they out drive you?
I was longer, they were immeasurably more accurate on the days we played. LOL
FWIW the ex scratch guy had a great short game to boot. Despite his condition he broke 90 with ease as I recall. Twas a long time ago.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Rutgers gave Eddie Jordan 3 years. They didn’t need to see more from him.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
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The fact that he even got 6 years was embarrassing. Now he has the in game results to prove it.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
This team has quit on him. Plain to see. I would be shocked if we didn’t lose at least 2 impact players from this years roster for next season. We didn’t think it could have gotten worse than Clyde Drexler at Houston, but CM has done it.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
This team has quit on him. Plain to see. I would be shocked if we didn’t lose at least 2 impact players from this years roster for next season. We didn’t think it could have gotten worse than Clyde Drexler at Houston, but CM has done it.
Owens's and Pons
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
This team has quit on him. Plain to see. I would be shocked if we didn’t lose at least 2 impact players from this years roster for next season. We didn’t think it could have gotten worse than Clyde Drexler at Houston, but CM has done it.
I can't believe anything actually shocks you.
But I don't think this team has any impact players so not sure how they could lose something they don't have...
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
This team has quit on him. Plain to see. I would be shocked if we didn’t lose at least 2 impact players from this years roster for next season. We didn’t think it could have gotten worse than Clyde Drexler at Houston, but CM has done it.
I can't believe anything actually shocks you.
But I don't think this team has any impact players so not sure how they could lose something they don't have...
Sju has zero x and o guys. Hard to really say how good these kids could be if they had someone around them who can maximize their talents and minimize their deficiencies.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
YES! Already named Carmine, wasju, F$ckFoad. It is hardly unanimous unbelievably so.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
YES! Already named Carmine, wasju, F$ckFoad. It is hardly unanimous unbelievably so.
Lycidas, RedmenNYC and a few others whose name slips me now.
Heck! I saw someone on Redmen who claimed we were (paraphrased) "moving in the right direction."
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I'm at the point that because of his arrogance and stubbornness I think Mullin deserves having his brains beat in. Maybe it will wake him the F up that his ways aren't working or maybe cause him to step down in the not too distant future.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
YES! Already named Carmine, wasju, F$ckFoad. It is hardly unanimous unbelievably so.
Well I must have missed it but I dont remember anyone saying he necessarily deserved it more than just accepting the fact a firing is not going to happen so the question is stupid and moot.
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45-18. Arguing with refs
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Wants out of this game.
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Wants out of this game.
Who does?
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Mullin. Arguing with refs down this much.
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Mullin. Arguing with refs down this much.
well if the refs really want to punish him they'll keep him in the game.
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Hopefully they do.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
YES! Already named Carmine, wasju, F$ckFoad. It is hardly unanimous unbelievably so.
Well I must have missed it but I dont remember anyone saying he necessarily deserved it more than just accepting the fact a firing is not going to happen so the question is stupid and moot.
You honestly think if they go 0-18 in conference that he won't step down or be asked to leave? If not this program really is doomed if they settle for this garbage.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
YES! Already named Carmine, wasju, F$ckFoad. It is hardly unanimous unbelievably so.
Well I must have missed it but I dont remember anyone saying he necessarily deserved it more than just accepting the fact a firing is not going to happen so the question is stupid and moot.
You honestly think if they go 0-18 in conference that he won't step down or be asked to leave? If not this program really is doomed if they settle for this garbage.
0-18 but but I lost my point guard to a bruised knee early in the season. Truth is we played some good basketball to finish non conference, some nice wins and close loss to ASU. Then we got to BE conf games where the opposing coaches know Mo and out coached him or should I say his boy wonder side kick Robin.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
YES! Already named Carmine, wasju, F$ckFoad. It is hardly unanimous unbelievably so.
Well I must have missed it but I dont remember anyone saying he necessarily deserved it more than just accepting the fact a firing is not going to happen so the question is stupid and moot.
You honestly think if they go 0-18 in conference that he won't step down or be asked to leave? If not this program really is doomed if they settle for this garbage.
0-18 but but I lost my point guard to a bruised knee early in the season. Truth is we played some good basketball to finish non conference, some nice wins and close loss to ASU. Then we got to BE conf games where the opposing coaches know Mo and out coached him or should I say his boy wonder side kick Robin.
I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
YES! Already named Carmine, wasju, F$ckFoad. It is hardly unanimous unbelievably so.
Well I must have missed it but I dont remember anyone saying he necessarily deserved it more than just accepting the fact a firing is not going to happen so the question is stupid and moot.
You honestly think if they go 0-18 in conference that he won't step down or be asked to leave? If not this program really is doomed if they settle for this garbage.
If the money stops coming in from donors they can be pushed to make the right decision, but what’s the point if they always follow it a poor one? They need to take themselves out of the equation. They don’t deserve the respect and credit that they get.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
YES! Already named Carmine, wasju, F$ckFoad. It is hardly unanimous unbelievably so.
Well I must have missed it but I dont remember anyone saying he necessarily deserved it more than just accepting the fact a firing is not going to happen so the question is stupid and moot.
You honestly think if they go 0-18 in conference that he won't step down or be asked to leave? If not this program really is doomed if they settle for this garbage.
0-18 but but I lost my point guard to a bruised knee early in the season. Truth is we played some good basketball to finish non conference, some nice wins and close loss to ASU. Then we got to BE conf games where the opposing coaches know Mo and out coached him or should I say his boy wonder side kick Robin.
I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
Absolutely. We don’t have the athletes to man to man defense. We don’t have the intelligence or the length to play zone. He does what Mahoney did. He coaches only to what he likes and ignores the players he has.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
YES! Already named Carmine, wasju, F$ckFoad. It is hardly unanimous unbelievably so.
Well I must have missed it but I dont remember anyone saying he necessarily deserved it more than just accepting the fact a firing is not going to happen so the question is stupid and moot.
You honestly think if they go 0-18 in conference that he won't step down or be asked to leave? If not this program really is doomed if they settle for this garbage.
0-18 but but I lost my point guard to a bruised knee early in the season. Truth is we played some good basketball to finish non conference, some nice wins and close loss to ASU. Then we got to BE conf games where the opposing coaches know Mo and out coached him or should I say his boy wonder side kick Robin.
I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
Absolutely. We don’t have the athletes to man to man defense. We don’t have the intelligence or the length to play zone. He does what Mahoney did. He coaches only to what he likes and ignores the players he has.
I don't believe they can teach the proper way to play any zone defense.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
YES! Already named Carmine, wasju, F$ckFoad. It is hardly unanimous unbelievably so.
Well I must have missed it but I dont remember anyone saying he necessarily deserved it more than just accepting the fact a firing is not going to happen so the question is stupid and moot.
You honestly think if they go 0-18 in conference that he won't step down or be asked to leave? If not this program really is doomed if they settle for this garbage.
0-18 but but I lost my point guard to a bruised knee early in the season. Truth is we played some good basketball to finish non conference, some nice wins and close loss to ASU. Then we got to BE conf games where the opposing coaches know Mo and out coached him or should I say his boy wonder side kick Robin.
I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
Absolutely. We don’t have the athletes to man to man defense. We don’t have the intelligence or the length to play zone. He does what Mahoney did. He coaches only to what he likes and ignores the players he has.
I don't believe they can teach the proper way to play any zone defense.
[/quoteEveryone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
YES! Already named Carmine, wasju, F$ckFoad. It is hardly unanimous unbelievably so.
Well I must have missed it but I dont remember anyone saying he necessarily deserved it more than just accepting the fact a firing is not going to happen so the question is stupid and moot.
You honestly think if they go 0-18 in conference that he won't step down or be asked to leave? If not this program really is doomed if they settle for this garbage.
0-18 but but I lost my point guard to a bruised knee early in the season. Truth is we played some good basketball to finish non conference, some nice wins and close loss to ASU. Then we got to BE conf games where the opposing coaches know Mo and out coached him or should I say his boy wonder side kick Robin.
I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
Absolutely. We don’t have the athletes to man to man defense. We don’t have the intelligence or the length to play zone. He does what Mahoney did. He coaches only to what he likes and ignores the players he has.
I don't believe they can teach the proper way to play any zone defense.
I said that the first time you mentioned zone
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I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
I honestly think you're missing a chromosome.
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I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
I honestly think you're missing a chromosome.
Sorry Foad, you’ve lost the right to criticize others.
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Everyone still thinking he deserves another year?.... this is just plain embarrassing.
Straw man argument. Deserves or getting anyway are two different things...
You went to the well once too often with your straw man reference. There are plenty who actually do think he deserves not only one more year but multiple years and carmine thinks until he wants to leave. Think we can all agree though that Mullin's got em cookin!
Who? On this board?
YES! Already named Carmine, wasju, F$ckFoad. It is hardly unanimous unbelievably so.
Well I must have missed it but I dont remember anyone saying he necessarily deserved it more than just accepting the fact a firing is not going to happen so the question is stupid and moot.
You honestly think if they go 0-18 in conference that he won't step down or be asked to leave? If not this program really is doomed if they settle for this garbage.
0-18 but but I lost my point guard to a bruised knee early in the season. Truth is we played some good basketball to finish non conference, some nice wins and close loss to ASU. Then we got to BE conf games where the opposing coaches know Mo and out coached him or should I say his boy wonder side kick Robin.
I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
Absolutely. We don’t have the athletes to man to man defense. We don’t have the intelligence or the length to play zone. He does what Mahoney did. He coaches only to what he likes and ignores the players he has.
I don't believe they can teach the proper way to play any zone defense.
Of course not. They aren’t teachers.
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I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
Absolutely.
So Holifield is worth two wins and replacing Mullin with Dave Leitao is worth another 5 wins, that means carry the one that you figure this six man roster is good enough to be 7 and 3 in the best basketball conference in the country - that's 17-5 on season, that's 2 game behind the #1 team in the country Villanova, nipping at the heels of Xavier and ahead of Creighton, SH, Providence and Butler - and that's after losing their second best player, except for the presence of Chris Mullin on the side lines and absent a walk on.
It's taking every fiber of my being not to type LOLOLOLOLOLOL and festooning it with a bunch of !!!!!!! and :-\ :-X :-[ :P ::) 8) 8) :o >:( Not even you can be that completely dumb. The other guy can, he's an idiot, but you're from Scarsdale, I expect more from you. So I'm not going to do any of that stuff despite the fact that I literally just laughed out loud. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!! :smiley6600: :knuppel2: :coolsmiley: :2funny: :police: :crazy2:. You cannot possibly believe what you just typed.
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I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
I honestly think you're missing a chromosome.
Sorry Foad, you’ve lost the right to criticize others.
Have I stupid?
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I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
Absolutely.
So Holifield is worth two wins and replacing Mullin with Dave Leitao is worth another 5 wins, that means carry the one that you figure this six man roster is good enough to be 7 and 3 in the best basketball conference in the country - that's 17-5 on season, that's 2 game behind the #1 team in the country Villanova, nipping at the heels of Xavier and ahead of Creighton, SH, Providence and Butler - and that's after losing their second best player, except for the presence of Chris Mullin on the side lines and absent a walk on.
It's taking every fiber of my being not to type LOLOLOLOLOLOL and festooning it with a bunch of !!!!!!! and :-\ :-X :-[ :P ::) 8) 8) :o >:( Not even you can be that completely dumb. The other guy can, he's an idiot, but you're from Scarsdale, I expect more from you. So I'm not going to do any of that stuff despite the fact that I literally just laughed out loud. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!! :smiley6600: :knuppel2: :coolsmiley: :2funny: :police: :crazy2:. You cannot possibly believe what you just typed.
The math checks out.
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I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
I honestly think you're missing a chromosome.
Sorry Foad, you’ve lost the right to criticize others.
Have I stupid?
You want stupid? Ok. Who said it?
“I expect Mullin to succeed because he’s succeeded at every job he’s had.”
Yep, you did you dumb shit. That’s the same logic that justified hiring a coach with no experience. Like I said, you’ve lost the right to criticize others. Own it. Mullin is your guy.
Go ahead, deny it you coward.
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I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
Absolutely.
So Holifield is worth two wins and replacing Mullin with Dave Leitao is worth another 5 wins, that means carry the one that you figure this six man roster is good enough to be 7 and 3 in the best basketball conference in the country - that's 17-5 on season, that's 2 game behind the #1 team in the country Villanova, nipping at the heels of Xavier and ahead of Creighton, SH, Providence and Butler - and that's after losing their second best player, except for the presence of Chris Mullin on the side lines and absent a walk on.
It's taking every fiber of my being not to type LOLOLOLOLOLOL and festooning it with a bunch of !!!!!!! and :-\ :-X :-[ :P ::) 8) 8) :o >:( Not even you can be that completely dumb. The other guy can, he's an idiot, but you're from Scarsdale, I expect more from you. So I'm not going to do any of that stuff despite the fact that I literally just laughed out loud. LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!! :smiley6600: :knuppel2: :coolsmiley: :2funny: :police: :crazy2:. You cannot possibly believe what you just typed.
The math checks out.
Leitao is actually coaching. Not well, but he is at least working. All Mullin does is bitch to the refs. If he wasn’t here and the players had no coach at all it is impossible to argue that they’d do any worse.
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I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
I honestly think you're missing a chromosome.
Sorry Foad, you’ve lost the right to criticize others.
Have I stupid?
You want stupid? Ok. Who said it?
“I expect Mullin to succeed because he’s succeeded at every job he’s had.”
Yep, you did you dumb shit. That’s the same logic that justified hiring a coach with no experience. Like I said, you’ve lost the right to criticize others. Own it. Mullin is your guy.
Go ahead, deny it you coward.
Deny what stupid? That I said something I said?
Are you mentally challenged? That's a serious question. If not, were you once of average IQ and since then have suffered a severe and debilitating head injury? Or are you just an imbecile in the clinical sense. If any of the answers to those questions is yes I'll stop calling you stupid, that would be cruel.
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I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
I honestly think you're missing a chromosome.
Sorry Foad, you’ve lost the right to criticize others.
Have I stupid?
You want stupid? Ok. Who said it?
“I expect Mullin to succeed because he’s succeeded at every job he’s had.”
Yep, you did you dumb shit. That’s the same logic that justified hiring a coach with no experience. Like I said, you’ve lost the right to criticize others. Own it. Mullin is your guy.
Go ahead, deny it you coward.
Deny what stupid? That I said something I said?
Are you mentally challenged? That's a serious question. If not, were you once of average IQ and since then have suffered a severe and debilitating head injury? Or are you just an imbecile in the clinical sense. If any of the answers to those questions is yes I'll stop calling you stupid, that would be cruel.
0-10 stupid. It’s all yours. Own it. Wear it with pride. After all, Mullin is great at everything and he can do anything.
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Is it true they are preempting tonight's episode of Saturday Night Live and just replaying our game instead? :-[
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remember when Dlo got suspened in sophmore year we didnt win another game. Same issue. You loose one of your guard/scorers and this happens. That team had 2 future pros on it too, Dom and Philn (euro i know but still )
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Eddie Jordan was a Rutgers grad, in 3 years was 8-46 in the AAC/BIG 10 including going 1-17 his last year at Rutgers. And they pulled the plug after 3 years. Don't expect that at SJU but for those people who think it is not fair to give CM just 3 years should talk to Eddie Jordan.
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Eddie Jordan was a Rutgers grad, in 3 years was 8-46 in the AAC/BIG 10 including going 1-17 his last year at Rutgers. And they pulled the plug after 3 years. Don't expect that at SJU but for those people who think it is not fair to give CM just 3 years should talk to Eddie Jordan.
not unprecedented but public vs private and money owed aren't even comparable
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He’ll get next year with full roster and we’ll take it from there
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Eddie Jordan was a Rutgers grad, in 3 years was 8-46 in the AAC/BIG 10 including going 1-17 his last year at Rutgers. And they pulled the plug after 3 years. Don't expect that at SJU but for those people who think it is not fair to give CM just 3 years should talk to Eddie Jordan.
not unprecedented but public vs private and money owed aren't even comparable
I don't think money is the issue, CM stature at SJU much higher than EJ at RU. Plus Rutgers also changed AD's. SJU in a tough spot and want to give him every opportunity to get this thing righted. But next year is becoming so ridiculously important I fear he is setting himself up to fail with this disaster of a season.
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Eddie Jordan was a Rutgers grad, in 3 years was 8-46 in the AAC/BIG 10 including going 1-17 his last year at Rutgers. And they pulled the plug after 3 years. Don't expect that at SJU but for those people who think it is not fair to give CM just 3 years should talk to Eddie Jordan.
not unprecedented but public vs private and money owed aren't even comparable
Eddie Jordan is a particularly fair comparison. A state school is able to recognize complete failure but St.John’s isn’t. If they can remove him in March and add a legitimate coach they may be able to get Ponds, Owens and Brooks to stay with St.John’s. If Mullin stays, I expect all three to be playing elsewhere. Rutgers made a good hire. They kept their point guard. No recruit in his right mind would sign up to play for a coach with top 100 talent and no wins.
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Eddie Jordan was a Rutgers grad, in 3 years was 8-46 in the AAC/BIG 10 including going 1-17 his last year at Rutgers. And they pulled the plug after 3 years. Don't expect that at SJU but for those people who think it is not fair to give CM just 3 years should talk to Eddie Jordan.
not unprecedented but public vs private and money owed aren't even comparable
I don't think money is the issue, CM stature at SJU much higher than EJ at RU. Plus Rutgers also changed AD's. SJU in a tough spot and want to give him every opportunity to get this thing righted. But next year is becoming so ridiculously important I fear he is setting himself up to fail with this disaster of a season.
while because its Mullin bringing back next year I agree that gas less to do with money but from what I'm hearing and the probably why you were hearing 2 year plan lately but U'm hearing the school cant even afford to buy them out after next year because it's north of 3.5 salary left for 2 years then the cost of new staff. Looks like we have him 5 years if he doesn't turn it around
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He’ll get next year with full roster and we’ll take it from there
Absolutely not a sure thing that any player here now or committed to come will stay.
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He’ll get next year with full roster and we’ll take it from there
Absolutely not a sure thing that any player here now or committed to come will stay.
Concur. This isn't 1995. These kids will jump ship on your ass. Of course, I hope everyone stays and all the committed recruits stay on board. But, you almost can't blame 'em based on what is happening.
I mentioned this a few weeks ago that the roster we believe we'll have next season probably won't be the case, once the ball goes up in the air during our first exhibition a season from now.
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I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
I honestly think you're missing a chromosome.
If you have nothing better to do than personally attack other posters on a St. John's message board you really should take a long look at your pathetic life. You're an online tough guy who probably is a fat, scared loser who wouldn't have the balls to say anything he says on this board to anyone's face. Go take your seroquel and go watch reruns of the 1985 NCAA tournament to make your existence less sad.
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Zach had good article on Danny Hurley today
https://nypost.com/2018/01/27/danny-hurleys-a-monster-and-rhode-island-is-the-beneficiary/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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IF we go 0-18, he might need to make tourney next year. For me NIT would be acceptable but many more losses like yesterday......
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IF we go 0-18, he might need to make tourney next year. For me NIT would be acceptable but many more losses like yesterday......
It should be NCAA's or bust. Hell, I'd say NCAA's + a Top 25 recruiting class or bust.
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I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
I honestly think you're missing a chromosome.
If you have nothing better to do than personally attack other posters on a St. John's message board you really should take a long look at your pathetic life. You're an online tough guy who probably is a fat, scared loser who wouldn't have the balls to say anything he says on this board to anyone's face. Go take your seroquel and go watch reruns of the 1985 NCAA tournament to make your existence less sad.
Word
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IF we go 0-18, he might need to make tourney next year. For me NIT would be acceptable but many more losses like yesterday......
It should be NCAA's or bust. Hell, I'd say NCAA's + a Top 25 recruiting class or bust.
He should make the tournament next year based on the fact that he will have been here for 4 years. Thing is, he still hasn’t learned how to coach. The only way to save this program and the players who are in it and expected to be in our program is to remove Mullin and hire an actual coach. By now it should clear even for the thickest of alumni that Mullin isn’t a coach.
There is only so much you can blame on injuries. Eventually it’s your program and all of it is on you. This feels a lot like the Norm Roberts era where he had an excuse for everything. Mullin shares the same lack of leadership that Norm had. They have a lot in common as coaches, but Norm was better.
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I honestly think you replace Mullin with any Big East coach with this roster, and they have at least 3-5 Big East wins.
I honestly think you're missing a chromosome.
If you have nothing better to do than personally attack other posters on a St. John's message board you really should take a long look at your pathetic life. You're an online tough guy who probably is a fat, scared loser who wouldn't have the balls to say anything he says on this board to anyone's face. Go take your seroquel and go watch reruns of the 1985 NCAA tournament to make your existence less sad.
1. If you have nothing better to do than personally attack other posters on a St. John's message board you really should take a long look at your pathetic life.
2. You're an online tough guy who probably is a fat, scared loser
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S3ABmxhMHxY/TqoTPHKJmxI/AAAAAAAACIU/tVi6xjYUloE/s1600/Irony_Meter.gif)
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Since I am on fire with predictions. I have one more. I predict 2020-2021 season will be the first Cluess must go post from someone (TonyD).
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Since I am on fire with predictions. I have one more. I predict 2020-2021 season will be the first Cluess must go post from someone (TonyD).
If the next coach is anything like this guy. I am quitting.
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Since I am on fire with predictions. I have one more. I predict 2020-2021 season will be the first Cluess must go post from someone (TonyD).
If the next coach is anything like this guy. I am quitting.
From your keyboard to God's ears.
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Since I am on fire with predictions. I have one more. I predict 2020-2021 season will be the first Cluess must go post from someone (TonyD).
If the next coach is anything like this guy. I am quitting.
Ya all he does is win. So I can see why St Johns fans wouldn't want him
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Since I am on fire with predictions. I have one more. I predict 2020-2021 season will be the first Cluess must go post from someone (TonyD).
If the next coach is anything like this guy. I am quitting.
11 more games left. I suggest try different method to get your point across. Like I had a Tuna sandwich for lunch. It was real bad almost as bad Mullin's coaching.
See same message just not the Jack Torrence in Shining style of post where you just keep typing the same thing over and over.
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Since I am on fire with predictions. I have one more. I predict 2020-2021 season will be the first Cluess must go post from someone (TonyD).
If the next coach is anything like this guy. I am quitting.
Ya all he does is win. So I can see why St Johns fans wouldn't want him
Local, has ties, will come fairly cheap. Not who I'd want but predict he is the guy. If Mullin can't figure things out next year.
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Since I am on fire with predictions. I have one more. I predict 2020-2021 season will be the first Cluess must go post from someone (TonyD).
If the next coach is anything like this guy. I am quitting.
11 more games left. I suggest try different method to get your point across. Like I had a Tuna sandwich for lunch. It was real bad almost as bad Mullin's coaching.
See same message just not the Jack Torrence in Shining style of post where you just keep typing the same thing over and over.
Thanks dick v
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Since I am on fire with predictions. I have one more. I predict 2020-2021 season will be the first Cluess must go post from someone (TonyD).
If the next coach is anything like this guy. I am quitting.
11 more games left. I suggest try different method to get your point across. Like I had a Tuna sandwich for lunch. It was real bad almost as bad Mullin's coaching.
See same message just not the Jack Torrence in Shining style of post where you just keep typing the same thing over and over.
Thanks dick v
Wow your dumb.
Thanks dick
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Since I am on fire with predictions. I have one more. I predict 2020-2021 season will be the first Cluess must go post from someone (TonyD).
If the next coach is anything like this guy. I am quitting.
11 more games left. I suggest try different method to get your point across. Like I had a Tuna sandwich for lunch. It was real bad almost as bad Mullin's coaching.
See same message just not the Jack Torrence in Shining style of post where you just keep typing the same thing over and over.
Thanks dick v
Wow your dumb.
Thanks dick
Not funny and stupid. Mrs or Mr Tony D is one lucky guy /girl
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Since I am on fire with predictions. I have one more. I predict 2020-2021 season will be the first Cluess must go post from someone (TonyD).
If the next coach is anything like this guy. I am quitting.
11 more games left. I suggest try different method to get your point across. Like I had a Tuna sandwich for lunch. It was real bad almost as bad Mullin's coaching.
See same message just not the Jack Torrence in Shining style of post where you just keep typing the same thing over and over.
Thanks dick v
Wow your dumb.
Thanks dick
Not funny and stupid. Mrs or Mr Tony D is one lucky guy /girl
If I am so boring, why do you try and talk to me? I like Basketball and I am a St. John’s fan. I enjoy talking sports. I never engage you because you have no opinion. You seem to take up sides with the majority. Which is fine. How you spend your leisure time is you own business.
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I don’t read the other board all that much. Had some extra time in the bathroom. I kind of expected more excuses. But they seem done with our coach also. Kind of surprised, shocked actually. I thought those guys would never waiver.
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The only thing that will make an impact at this point is complete and total fan apathy, which is happening more and more by the day. If people stop buying tickets and the big donors just don't care enough to keep dumping money into the athletics department, things will change. As long as people remain passionate about SJU basketball and will pay money into that program no matter what, nothing is going to change.
I personally have reached the point of complete apathy on this season. I did not watch one second of the game yesterday, instead I went back and forth between the Duke/Virginia game and the Oklahoma/Alabama game. It's hard to bring myself to care about investing in the future of this program anymore. Even when things weren't going great in the past there was always at least a small reason to have a glimmer of hope that we would accomplish something in the not-too-distant future. Now that glimmer is fading. Maybe that will change if they actually shake things up but there's no reason to think they'll get it right for once.
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Time for Chris to cut ties with some of the staff. Assistant coaches fighting with players, leaking to the press etc..There is a common denominator here and it has to be removed. That's a start
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The fighting had to come at some point. It was inevitable.
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If Gempesaw and Oliva are anything like Woody & Waldo Johnson then this program is f*cked for as long as they're here. If Mullin doesn't make staff changes then next year will be ugly and he'll be gone.
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remember when Dlo got suspened in sophmore year we didnt win another game. Same issue. You loose one of your guard/scorers and this happens. That team had 2 future pros on it too, Dom and Philn (euro i know but still )
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Eddie Jordan was a Rutgers grad, in 3 years was 8-46 in the AAC/BIG 10 including going 1-17 his last year at Rutgers. And they pulled the plug after 3 years. Don't expect that at SJU but for those people who think it is not fair to give CM just 3 years should talk to Eddie Jordan.
not unprecedented but public vs private and money owed aren't even comparable
Eddie Jordan is a particularly fair comparison. A state school is able to recognize complete failure but St.John’s isn’t. If they can remove him in March and add a legitimate coach they may be able to get Ponds, Owens and Brooks to stay with St.John’s. If Mullin stays, I expect all three to be playing elsewhere. Rutgers made a good hire. They kept their point guard. No recruit in his right mind would sign up to play for a coach with top 100 talent and no wins.
Rutgers made a good hire? He currently has a 5-23 conference record at Rutgers. Given time he might turn it around there but his record to date isn't that much better than Mullin's.
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remember when Dlo got suspened in sophmore year we didnt win another game. Same issue. You loose one of your guard/scorers and this happens. That team had 2 future pros on it too, Dom and Philn (euro i know but still )
Fwiw Jakarrr, Obekpa, and Bourgault are playing for pay this year too.
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remember when Dlo got suspened in sophmore year we didnt win another game. Same issue. You loose one of your guard/scorers and this happens. That team had 2 future pros on it too, Dom and Philn (euro i know but still )
Fwiw Jakarrr, Obekpa, and Bourgault are playing for pay this year too.
They all are.
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And we still didnt win a game.
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Coaches on the hot seat article.... Mullin mentioned toward end
http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/21/heat-check-part-coaches-hot-seat/
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Coaches on the hot seat article.... Mullin mentioned toward end
http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/21/heat-check-part-coaches-hot-seat/
Unless it’s a picture of CM at the sauna then it’s not worth the click.
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Coaches on the hot seat article.... Mullin mentioned toward end
http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/21/heat-check-part-coaches-hot-seat/
Unless it’s a picture of CM at the sauna then it’s not worth the click.
I don't want to see that either.
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Is it time to revisit? Or should we wait for more defectors?
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No. We should wait to see how next year pans out.
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Is it time to revisit? Or should we wait for more defectors?
If you're not being a whining malcontent do you have to make sure you're still breathing?
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Is it time to revisit? Or should we wait for more defectors?
If you're not being a whining malcontent do you have to make sure you're still breathing?
I am a little bored.
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Mullin Sux. No other way to put it. Guy can not coach, recruit or knows how to run a program. 12 wins in conference, 10 defections. This guy should of been fired this year, but because he is Chris Mullin he will get another year. Unless he makes major roster moves with players and staff, he will lose again next year.
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Norm > Mullin. And still people defend him. It's mind boggling. This guy clearly doesn't know how to run a program. I'd fire him now and avoid the inevitable really disappointing season next year. Also who knows maybe Tariq knows something we don't yet like Ponds is also leaving? I know his dad wants his son to play in the tourney and without Ponds we aren't winning double digit games next year. Good call by SJU admin hiring Mullin over Danny Hurley who is the hottest coaching candidate out there, and to top it all off he could go to one of our most hated rivals UConn. One gut punch after the next with this crappy program.
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Mullin Sux. No other way to put it. Guy can not coach, recruit or knows how to run a program. 12 wins in conference, 10 defections. This guy should of been fired this year, but because he is Chris Mullin he will get another year. Unless he makes major roster moves with players and staff, he will lose again next year.
I don't expect any staff changes, unless someone voluntarily leaves.
Losing Owens makes the staff's recruiting more arduous. Frankly, I don't trust 'em enough to promptly fill the void.
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Mullin Sux. No other way to put it. Guy can not coach, recruit or knows how to run a program. 12 wins in conference, 10 defections. This guy should of been fired this year, but because he is Chris Mullin he will get another year. Unless he makes major roster moves with players and staff, he will lose again next year.
I don't expect any staff changes, unless someone voluntarily leaves.
Losing Owens makes the staff's recruiting more arduous. Frankly, I don't trust 'em enough to promptly fill the void.
They didn’t fill the void last year. So I can understand your mis trust. Next year is do or die for Mullin. If we have a bad year next year, this thread would be very relevant.
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Mullin Sux. No other way to put it. Guy can not coach, recruit or knows how to run a program. 12 wins in conference, 10 defections. This guy should of been fired this year, but because he is Chris Mullin he will get another year. Unless he makes major roster moves with players and staff, he will lose again next year.
I don't expect any staff changes, unless someone voluntarily leaves.
Losing Owens makes the staff's recruiting more arduous. Frankly, I don't trust 'em enough to promptly fill the void.
Definition of insanity. That is really discouraging and most likely not going to end well.
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No idea if CM will turn this thing around or not but this was just posted on Twitter:
3 years is now generally the window coaches get to produce before being canned.
FWIW, John Beilein went 46-53 in his first three seasons at Michigan and reached one NCAA Tournament. Jay Wright went 52-46 at Villanova and failed to reach the tournament each year.
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No idea if CM will turn this thing around or not but this was just posted on Twitter:
3 years is now generally the window coaches get to produce before being canned.
FWIW, John Beilein went 46-53 in his first three seasons at Michigan and reached one NCAA Tournament. Jay Wright went 52-46 at Villanova and failed to reach the tournament each year.
Most guys get 4 years or at least remotely smart AD’s give 4 years. At a minimum it gives a coach a full shot at coaching a roster of players he recruited.
Look at Jay Wright’s record when he took over Hofstra. They were clearly rewarded.
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No idea if CM will turn this thing around or not but this was just posted on Twitter:
3 years is now generally the window coaches get to produce before being canned.
FWIW, John Beilein went 46-53 in his first three seasons at Michigan and reached one NCAA Tournament. Jay Wright went 52-46 at Villanova and failed to reach the tournament each year.
I get what you're saying but for every success story who finds himself after three years there are many more who never see the other side of .500
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No idea if CM will turn this thing around or not but this was just posted on Twitter:
3 years is now generally the window coaches get to produce before being canned.
FWIW, John Beilein went 46-53 in his first three seasons at Michigan and reached one NCAA Tournament. Jay Wright went 52-46 at Villanova and failed to reach the tournament each year.
I get what you're saying but for every success story who finds himself after three years there are many more who never see the other side of .500
Without a doubt. I do believe we may not see the other side of .500.
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True that. Get out and recruit some quality transfers to get this thing righted next season because Shamorie expecting to have Ponds back as a senior is highly unlikely.
Willard turned the corner in year 6 at the Hall; he didn't change as a coach, he brought in better players by hiring coaches. Who knows how they'll be next year now that this current crop has graduated or whether they're going to get dinged for the Whitehead shadiness but the formula is fairly simple for us next season: get your a** out and recruit 2 more quality players to add to Ponds, Simon, Clark, Keita, Dixon, Williams, etc.
No idea if CM will turn this thing around or not but this was just posted on Twitter:
3 years is now generally the window coaches get to produce before being canned.
FWIW, John Beilein went 46-53 in his first three seasons at Michigan and reached one NCAA Tournament. Jay Wright went 52-46 at Villanova and failed to reach the tournament each year.
I get what you're saying but for every success story who finds himself after three years there are many more who never see the other side of .500
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True that. Get out and recruit some quality transfers to get this thing righted next season because Shamorie expecting to have Ponds back as a senior is highly unlikely.
Willard turned the corner in year 6 at the Hall; he didn't change as a coach, he brought in better players by hiring coaches. Who knows how they'll be next year now that this current crop has graduated or whether they're going to get dinged for the Whitehead shadiness but the formula is fairly simple for us next season: get your a** out and recruit 2 more quality players to add to Ponds, Simon, Clark, Keita, Dixon, Williams, etc.
Then, they'll have to bust their ass for the '19 class, as well. I just don't see 'em in it for the long haul, as it entails too much work that they're seemingly not willing to put in to turn this thing around.
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True that. Get out and recruit some quality transfers to get this thing righted next season because Shamorie expecting to have Ponds back as a senior is highly unlikely.
Willard turned the corner in year 6 at the Hall; he didn't change as a coach, he brought in better players by hiring coaches. Who knows how they'll be next year now that this current crop has graduated or whether they're going to get dinged for the Whitehead shadiness but the formula is fairly simple for us next season: get your a** out and recruit 2 more quality players to add to Ponds, Simon, Clark, Keita, Dixon, Williams, etc.
Then, they'll have to bust their ass for the '19 class, as well. I just don't see 'em in it for the long haul, as it entails too much work that they're seemingly not willing to put in to turn this thing around.
Agree MJ, which is damn sad... the fans like us have been in it for decades, and I guarantee I have a harder job making tens of times less...
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This is the baffling part. Mullin learning how to be a HC was expected. But this is a guy whose reputation is built off hard work and uber competitiveness. And we know he bleeds SJU and wants to turn this around badly. So why the hell would he be apathetic? It just doesn't make any sense.
True that. Get out and recruit some quality transfers to get this thing righted next season because Shamorie expecting to have Ponds back as a senior is highly unlikely.
Willard turned the corner in year 6 at the Hall; he didn't change as a coach, he brought in better players by hiring coaches. Who knows how they'll be next year now that this current crop has graduated or whether they're going to get dinged for the Whitehead shadiness but the formula is fairly simple for us next season: get your a** out and recruit 2 more quality players to add to Ponds, Simon, Clark, Keita, Dixon, Williams, etc.
Then, they'll have to bust their ass for the '19 class, as well. I just don't see 'em in it for the long haul, as it entails too much work that they're seemingly not willing to put in to turn this thing around.
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
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The only recruit he has appeared to really put time and effort into over the last 6 months has been Brown and we know that was a pipe dream. I don't know obviously what he does day to day, but if he was more active I'm sure it would have been reported.
It is laziness...how else are we suppose to view this?
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
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This is the baffling part. Mullin learning how to be a HC was expected. But this is a guy whose reputation is built off hard work and uber competitiveness. And we know he bleeds SJU and wants to turn this around badly. So why the hell would he be apathetic? It just doesn't make any sense.
I agree.
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
I am on a roll predicting things. Won office NCAA bracket pool. Had Nova beating Michigan which was easy but I also had Loyola making it to Sweet 16. Also won my top Gun NCAA pool.
I bring this up because I predict we win 22 games next year and lose 8/9 game. Then Mullin will resign and ride off into the sunset having made the exact number of NCAA tourney's in his first 4 years that Lavin did. But I really hope the last part does not come true. Your constant Pet Detective"laces out Dan" rantings used to annoy me. But now it actually brings me happiness that you are so distraught. So I am rooting that I am wrong on this prediction and Mullin gets a lifetime extension. Unless of course you promise that you will only give Will Brown a year before you start crying about him to quit?
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This is the baffling part. Mullin learning how to be a HC was expected. But this is a guy whose reputation is built off hard work and uber competitiveness. And we know he bleeds SJU and wants to turn this around badly. So why the hell would he be apathetic? It just doesn't make any sense.
I agree.
It's arrogance. He knows he needs to get good players and it appears he is relying on name recognition alone. It's not working. He and Richmond need to use their name and go out there and build relationships.
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
I am on a roll predicting things. Won office NCAA bracket pool. Had Nova beating Michigan which was easy but I also had Loyola making it to Sweet 16. Also won my top Gun NCAA pool.
I bring this up because I predict we win 22 games next year and lose 8/9 game. Then Mullin will resign and ride off into the sunset having made the exact number of NCAA tourney's in his first 4 years that Lavin did. But I really hope the last part does not come true. Your constant Pet Detective"laces out Dan" rantings used to annoy me. But now it actually brings me happiness that you are so distraught. So I am rooting that I am wrong on this prediction and Mullin gets a lifetime extension. Unless of course you promise that you will only give Will Brown a year before you start crying about him to quit?
You think I am distraught. Maybe a few years ago. I knew bringing up quit would get you going. Still that is what he should do. 22 wins with this roster? Great prediction dick vitale. Maybe he will win 22 in year 4 and 5 combined. You are right, because of nitwits like you a life time contract is still possible.
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
I am on a roll predicting things. Won office NCAA bracket pool. Had Nova beating Michigan which was easy but I also had Loyola making it to Sweet 16. Also won my top Gun NCAA pool.
I bring this up because I predict we win 22 games next year and lose 8/9 game. Then Mullin will resign and ride off into the sunset having made the exact number of NCAA tourney's in his first 4 years that Lavin did. But I really hope the last part does not come true. Your constant Pet Detective"laces out Dan" rantings used to annoy me. But now it actually brings me happiness that you are so distraught. So I am rooting that I am wrong on this prediction and Mullin gets a lifetime extension. Unless of course you promise that you will only give Will Brown a year before you start crying about him to quit?
You think I am distraught. Maybe a few years ago. I knew bringing up quit would get you going. Still that is what he should do. 22 wins with this roster? Great prediction dick vitale. Maybe he will win 22 in year 4 and 5 combined. You are right, because of nitwits like you a life time contract is still possible.
Ponds comes back they make the tourney.
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
I am on a roll predicting things. Won office NCAA bracket pool. Had Nova beating Michigan which was easy but I also had Loyola making it to Sweet 16. Also won my top Gun NCAA pool.
I bring this up because I predict we win 22 games next year and lose 8/9 game. Then Mullin will resign and ride off into the sunset having made the exact number of NCAA tourney's in his first 4 years that Lavin did. But I really hope the last part does not come true. Your constant Pet Detective"laces out Dan" rantings used to annoy me. But now it actually brings me happiness that you are so distraught. So I am rooting that I am wrong on this prediction and Mullin gets a lifetime extension. Unless of course you promise that you will only give Will Brown a year before you start crying about him to quit?
You think I am distraught. Maybe a few years ago. I knew bringing up quit would get you going. Still that is what he should do. 22 wins with this roster? Great prediction dick vitale. Maybe he will win 22 in year 4 and 5 combined. You are right, because of nitwits like you a life time contract is still possible.
Ponds comes back they make the tourney.
I highly doubt it.
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
I am on a roll predicting things. Won office NCAA bracket pool. Had Nova beating Michigan which was easy but I also had Loyola making it to Sweet 16. Also won my top Gun NCAA pool.
I bring this up because I predict we win 22 games next year and lose 8/9 game. Then Mullin will resign and ride off into the sunset having made the exact number of NCAA tourney's in his first 4 years that Lavin did. But I really hope the last part does not come true. Your constant Pet Detective"laces out Dan" rantings used to annoy me. But now it actually brings me happiness that you are so distraught. So I am rooting that I am wrong on this prediction and Mullin gets a lifetime extension. Unless of course you promise that you will only give Will Brown a year before you start crying about him to quit?
You think I am distraught. Maybe a few years ago. I knew bringing up quit would get you going. Still that is what he should do. 22 wins with this roster? Great prediction dick vitale. Maybe he will win 22 in year 4 and 5 combined. You are right, because of nitwits like you a life time contract is still possible.
Ponds comes back they make the tourney.
I highly doubt it.
I guess you will be disappointed. Don't worry the year after we will probably stink. That should cheer you up
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
I am on a roll predicting things. Won office NCAA bracket pool. Had Nova beating Michigan which was easy but I also had Loyola making it to Sweet 16. Also won my top Gun NCAA pool.
I bring this up because I predict we win 22 games next year and lose 8/9 game. Then Mullin will resign and ride off into the sunset having made the exact number of NCAA tourney's in his first 4 years that Lavin did. But I really hope the last part does not come true. Your constant Pet Detective"laces out Dan" rantings used to annoy me. But now it actually brings me happiness that you are so distraught. So I am rooting that I am wrong on this prediction and Mullin gets a lifetime extension. Unless of course you promise that you will only give Will Brown a year before you start crying about him to quit?
You think I am distraught. Maybe a few years ago. I knew bringing up quit would get you going. Still that is what he should do. 22 wins with this roster? Great prediction dick vitale. Maybe he will win 22 in year 4 and 5 combined. You are right, because of nitwits like you a life time contract is still possible.
Ponds comes back they make the tourney.
I highly doubt it.
I guess you will be disappointed. Don't worry the year after we will probably stink. That should cheer you up
You're right I'll be disappointed when we stink again because our coach was too lazy to recruit 2 grad transfer bigs because he has to make his appearances at Warriors games.
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
I am on a roll predicting things. Won office NCAA bracket pool. Had Nova beating Michigan which was easy but I also had Loyola making it to Sweet 16. Also won my top Gun NCAA pool.
I bring this up because I predict we win 22 games next year and lose 8/9 game. Then Mullin will resign and ride off into the sunset having made the exact number of NCAA tourney's in his first 4 years that Lavin did. But I really hope the last part does not come true. Your constant Pet Detective"laces out Dan" rantings used to annoy me. But now it actually brings me happiness that you are so distraught. So I am rooting that I am wrong on this prediction and Mullin gets a lifetime extension. Unless of course you promise that you will only give Will Brown a year before you start crying about him to quit?
You think I am distraught. Maybe a few years ago. I knew bringing up quit would get you going. Still that is what he should do. 22 wins with this roster? Great prediction dick vitale. Maybe he will win 22 in year 4 and 5 combined. You are right, because of nitwits like you a life time contract is still possible.
Ponds comes back they make the tourney.
I highly doubt it.
I guess you will be disappointed. Don't worry the year after we will probably stink. That should cheer you up
You're right I'll be disappointed when we stink again because our coach was too lazy to recruit 2 grad transfer bigs because he has to make his appearances at Warriors games.
What is more realistic? Guy whose whole life is built around working hard came back to the place that helped make him and suddenly decided to stop working. OR it is hard for anyone to recruit here legally and both him and everyone's favorite midget recruiting plan is not sound? 2nd choice might not make you feel better but it is the correct choice.
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
I am on a roll predicting things. Won office NCAA bracket pool. Had Nova beating Michigan which was easy but I also had Loyola making it to Sweet 16. Also won my top Gun NCAA pool.
I bring this up because I predict we win 22 games next year and lose 8/9 game. Then Mullin will resign and ride off into the sunset having made the exact number of NCAA tourney's in his first 4 years that Lavin did. But I really hope the last part does not come true. Your constant Pet Detective"laces out Dan" rantings used to annoy me. But now it actually brings me happiness that you are so distraught. So I am rooting that I am wrong on this prediction and Mullin gets a lifetime extension. Unless of course you promise that you will only give Will Brown a year before you start crying about him to quit?
You think I am distraught. Maybe a few years ago. I knew bringing up quit would get you going. Still that is what he should do. 22 wins with this roster? Great prediction dick vitale. Maybe he will win 22 in year 4 and 5 combined. You are right, because of nitwits like you a life time contract is still possible.
Ponds comes back they make the tourney.
I highly doubt it.
I guess you will be disappointed. Don't worry the year after we will probably stink. That should cheer you up
You're right I'll be disappointed when we stink again because our coach was too lazy to recruit 2 grad transfer bigs because he has to make his appearances at Warriors games.
What is more realistic? Guy whose whole life is built around working hard came back to the place that helped make him and suddenly decided to stop working. OR it is hard for anyone to recruit here legally and both him and everyone's favorite midget recruiting plan is not sound? 2nd choice might not make you feel better but it is the correct choice.
I wouldn't even be mad if you heard that he was out at different HS gyms and AAU games every week. But he just seems apathetic. It's one thing to not be able to recruit its a whole other thing not to try at all.
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I think it is hard for anyone to recruit here. Outside of Lavin's first class no one has been able to recruit consistently since Fran and he was only here 2 years. I think it is also extremely hard for someone of Mullin's stature to deal with all of the nonsense and ass kissing of kids and delusional parents. That is where the Slice / Matt team was supposed to take over. That failure should fall on Mullin. As is the dependence on Matt to recruit transfer players.
ST John's needs to embrace a dirty word around here mid major. Not move into a mid major but recruit like one. Recruit 3 star 6-3 to 6-6 kids that can shoot the three. Mix in a 4 star and transfer kid here and there that fit your system. But bread and butter should be three star kids that can shoot.
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I think it is hard for anyone to recruit here. Outside of Lavin's first class no one has been able to recruit consistently since Fran and he was only here 2 years. I think it is also extremely hard for someone of Mullin's stature to deal with all of the nonsense and ass kissing of kids and delusional parents. That is where the Slice / Matt team was supposed to take over. That failure should fall on Mullin. As is the dependence on Matt to recruit transfer players.
ST John's needs to embrace a dirty word around here mid major. Not move into a mid major but recruit like one. Recruit 3 star 6-3 to 6-6 kids that can shoot the three. Mix in a 4 star and transfer kid here and there that fit your system. But bread and butter should be three star kids that can shoot.
The other issue is player development. I'm not sure if its Mullin and/or Richmond who is responsible for that.
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You're right I'll be disappointed when we stink again because our coach was too lazy to recruit 2 grad transfer bigs because he has to make his appearances at Warriors games.
Good point, that was a critical two hours.
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I think it is hard for anyone to recruit here. Outside of Lavin's first class no one has been able to recruit consistently since Fran and he was only here 2 years. I think it is also extremely hard for someone of Mullin's stature to deal with all of the nonsense and ass kissing of kids and delusional parents. That is where the Slice / Matt team was supposed to take over. That failure should fall on Mullin. As is the dependence on Matt to recruit transfer players.
ST John's needs to embrace a dirty word around here mid major. Not move into a mid major but recruit like one. Recruit 3 star 6-3 to 6-6 kids that can shoot the three. Mix in a 4 star and transfer kid here and there that fit your system. But bread and butter should be three star kids that can shoot.
The other issue is player development. I'm not sure if its Mullin and/or Richmond who is responsible for that.
Mullin's biggest failure last year was not being able to convince Lovett not to be a dick.
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
You post the same thing over and over. What does that say about you.
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I think it is hard for anyone to recruit here. Outside of Lavin's first class no one has been able to recruit consistently since Fran and he was only here 2 years. I think it is also extremely hard for someone of Mullin's stature to deal with all of the nonsense and ass kissing of kids and delusional parents. That is where the Slice / Matt team was supposed to take over. That failure should fall on Mullin. As is the dependence on Matt to recruit transfer players.
ST John's needs to embrace a dirty word around here mid major. Not move into a mid major but recruit like one. Recruit 3 star 6-3 to 6-6 kids that can shoot the three. Mix in a 4 star and transfer kid here and there that fit your system. But bread and butter should be three star kids that can shoot.
You need to take a break to get your mind straight. Between your knocking of our All-American Ponds to drivel about mid-majors, you are losing it.
We aren't setup to recruit the kids you described. Our talent pool consists of kids from or near big cities who are athletic and play fast. We aren't in Wisconsin or Nebraska like Marquette and Creighton. We don't have amazing academics like Georgetown. We need to be creative to get transfers and land a star or two like Ponds.
How can you love Simon so much and then turn around and say we need to recruit skilled shooters?! Simon is the antithesis of what you just described. He is the antithesis of the Villanova player.
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I think it is hard for anyone to recruit here. Outside of Lavin's first class no one has been able to recruit consistently since Fran and he was only here 2 years. I think it is also extremely hard for someone of Mullin's stature to deal with all of the nonsense and ass kissing of kids and delusional parents. That is where the Slice / Matt team was supposed to take over. That failure should fall on Mullin. As is the dependence on Matt to recruit transfer players.
ST John's needs to embrace a dirty word around here mid major. Not move into a mid major but recruit like one. Recruit 3 star 6-3 to 6-6 kids that can shoot the three. Mix in a 4 star and transfer kid here and there that fit your system. But bread and butter should be three star kids that can shoot.
You need to take a break to get your mind straight. Between your knocking of our All-American Ponds to drivel about mid-majors, you are losing it.
We aren't setup to recruit the kids you described. Our talent pool consists of kids from or near big cities who are athletic and play fast. We aren't in Wisconsin or Nebraska like Marquette and Creighton. We don't have amazing academics like Georgetown. We need to be creative to get transfers and land a star or two like Ponds.
How can you love Simon so much and then turn around and say we need to recruit skilled shooters?! Simon is the antithesis of what you just described. He is the antithesis of the Villanova player.
Simon is a good player. Ponds is a really good player. That is 2 of 12. 5 or 6 more Marvin Clark's sprinkled in and we are near top of BE.
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I think it is hard for anyone to recruit here. Outside of Lavin's first class no one has been able to recruit consistently since Fran and he was only here 2 years. I think it is also extremely hard for someone of Mullin's stature to deal with all of the nonsense and ass kissing of kids and delusional parents. That is where the Slice / Matt team was supposed to take over. That failure should fall on Mullin. As is the dependence on Matt to recruit transfer players.
ST John's needs to embrace a dirty word around here mid major. Not move into a mid major but recruit like one. Recruit 3 star 6-3 to 6-6 kids that can shoot the three. Mix in a 4 star and transfer kid here and there that fit your system. But bread and butter should be three star kids that can shoot.
You need to take a break to get your mind straight. Between your knocking of our All-American Ponds to drivel about mid-majors, you are losing it.
We aren't setup to recruit the kids you described. Our talent pool consists of kids from or near big cities who are athletic and play fast. We aren't in Wisconsin or Nebraska like Marquette and Creighton. We don't have amazing academics like Georgetown. We need to be creative to get transfers and land a star or two like Ponds.
How can you love Simon so much and then turn around and say we need to recruit skilled shooters?! Simon is the antithesis of what you just described. He is the antithesis of the Villanova player.
Simon is a good player. Ponds is a really good player. That is 2 of 12. 5 or 6 more Marvin Clark's sprinkled in and we are near top of BE.
How many wings that handle and shoot like Simon did you see the last 3-4 rounds? I didn't see any.
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I think it is hard for anyone to recruit here. Outside of Lavin's first class no one has been able to recruit consistently since Fran and he was only here 2 years. I think it is also extremely hard for someone of Mullin's stature to deal with all of the nonsense and ass kissing of kids and delusional parents. That is where the Slice / Matt team was supposed to take over. That failure should fall on Mullin. As is the dependence on Matt to recruit transfer players.
ST John's needs to embrace a dirty word around here mid major. Not move into a mid major but recruit like one. Recruit 3 star 6-3 to 6-6 kids that can shoot the three. Mix in a 4 star and transfer kid here and there that fit your system. But bread and butter should be three star kids that can shoot.
You need to take a break to get your mind straight. Between your knocking of our All-American Ponds to drivel about mid-majors, you are losing it.
We aren't setup to recruit the kids you described. Our talent pool consists of kids from or near big cities who are athletic and play fast. We aren't in Wisconsin or Nebraska like Marquette and Creighton. We don't have amazing academics like Georgetown. We need to be creative to get transfers and land a star or two like Ponds.
How can you love Simon so much and then turn around and say we need to recruit skilled shooters?! Simon is the antithesis of what you just described. He is the antithesis of the Villanova player.
Simon is a good player. Ponds is a really good player. That is 2 of 12. 5 or 6 more Marvin Clark's sprinkled in and we are near top of BE.
How many wings that handle and shoot like Simon did you see the last 3-4 rounds? I didn't see any.
Muhammed Ali Joe Frazier Mahmoud Rauf Rahmin from Michigan
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I think it is hard for anyone to recruit here. Outside of Lavin's first class no one has been able to recruit consistently since Fran and he was only here 2 years. I think it is also extremely hard for someone of Mullin's stature to deal with all of the nonsense and ass kissing of kids and delusional parents. That is where the Slice / Matt team was supposed to take over. That failure should fall on Mullin. As is the dependence on Matt to recruit transfer players.
ST John's needs to embrace a dirty word around here mid major. Not move into a mid major but recruit like one. Recruit 3 star 6-3 to 6-6 kids that can shoot the three. Mix in a 4 star and transfer kid here and there that fit your system. But bread and butter should be three star kids that can shoot.
You need to take a break to get your mind straight. Between your knocking of our All-American Ponds to drivel about mid-majors, you are losing it.
We aren't setup to recruit the kids you described. Our talent pool consists of kids from or near big cities who are athletic and play fast. We aren't in Wisconsin or Nebraska like Marquette and Creighton. We don't have amazing academics like Georgetown. We need to be creative to get transfers and land a star or two like Ponds.
How can you love Simon so much and then turn around and say we need to recruit skilled shooters?! Simon is the antithesis of what you just described. He is the antithesis of the Villanova player.
Simon is a good player. Ponds is a really good player. That is 2 of 12. 5 or 6 more Marvin Clark's sprinkled in and we are near top of BE.
How many wings that handle and shoot like Simon did you see the last 3-4 rounds? I didn't see any.
Muhammed Ali Joe Frazier Mahmoud Rauf Rahmin from Michigan
Now you've officially lost it. Beilein wouldn't give a kid like Simon a second glance. His entire system would fall apart with the crappy spacing and turnovers. That kid, I refuse to write his ridiculous name, is a great shooter and has a good handle. He shoots 4.8 threes per game at 38% and he averages only 0.7 turnovers to 3.2 assists. He also 40 lbs lighter. I'm not quite sure your eyes are working well. Time for glasses.
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
You post the same thing over and over. What does that say about you.
We are all insane to share a web site with you, someone who makes Jeffrey Dahmer look like Will Rodgers.
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I think it is hard for anyone to recruit here. Outside of Lavin's first class no one has been able to recruit consistently since Fran and he was only here 2 years. I think it is also extremely hard for someone of Mullin's stature to deal with all of the nonsense and ass kissing of kids and delusional parents. That is where the Slice / Matt team was supposed to take over. That failure should fall on Mullin. As is the dependence on Matt to recruit transfer players.
ST John's needs to embrace a dirty word around here mid major. Not move into a mid major but recruit like one. Recruit 3 star 6-3 to 6-6 kids that can shoot the three. Mix in a 4 star and transfer kid here and there that fit your system. But bread and butter should be three star kids that can shoot.
You need to take a break to get your mind straight. Between your knocking of our All-American Ponds to drivel about mid-majors, you are losing it.
We aren't setup to recruit the kids you described. Our talent pool consists of kids from or near big cities who are athletic and play fast. We aren't in Wisconsin or Nebraska like Marquette and Creighton. We don't have amazing academics like Georgetown. We need to be creative to get transfers and land a star or two like Ponds.
How can you love Simon so much and then turn around and say we need to recruit skilled shooters?! Simon is the antithesis of what you just described. He is the antithesis of the Villanova player.
Simon is a good player. Ponds is a really good player. That is 2 of 12. 5 or 6 more Marvin Clark's sprinkled in and we are near top of BE.
How many wings that handle and shoot like Simon did you see the last 3-4 rounds? I didn't see any.
Muhammed Ali Joe Frazier Mahmoud Rauf Rahmin from Michigan
Now you've officially lost it. Beilein wouldn't give a kid like Simon a second glance. His entire system would fall apart with the crappy spacing and turnovers. That kid, I refuse to write his ridiculous name, is a great shooter and has a good handle. He shoots 4.8 threes per game at 38% and he averages only 0.7 turnovers to 3.2 assists. He also 40 lbs lighter. I'm not quite sure your eyes are working well. Time for glasses.
Ridculous name or ridiculously long name?
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I think it is hard for anyone to recruit here. Outside of Lavin's first class no one has been able to recruit consistently since Fran and he was only here 2 years. I think it is also extremely hard for someone of Mullin's stature to deal with all of the nonsense and ass kissing of kids and delusional parents. That is where the Slice / Matt team was supposed to take over. That failure should fall on Mullin. As is the dependence on Matt to recruit transfer players.
ST John's needs to embrace a dirty word around here mid major. Not move into a mid major but recruit like one. Recruit 3 star 6-3 to 6-6 kids that can shoot the three. Mix in a 4 star and transfer kid here and there that fit your system. But bread and butter should be three star kids that can shoot.
You need to take a break to get your mind straight. Between your knocking of our All-American Ponds to drivel about mid-majors, you are losing it.
We aren't setup to recruit the kids you described. Our talent pool consists of kids from or near big cities who are athletic and play fast. We aren't in Wisconsin or Nebraska like Marquette and Creighton. We don't have amazing academics like Georgetown. We need to be creative to get transfers and land a star or two like Ponds.
How can you love Simon so much and then turn around and say we need to recruit skilled shooters?! Simon is the antithesis of what you just described. He is the antithesis of the Villanova player.
Simon is a good player. Ponds is a really good player. That is 2 of 12. 5 or 6 more Marvin Clark's sprinkled in and we are near top of BE.
How many wings that handle and shoot like Simon did you see the last 3-4 rounds? I didn't see any.
Muhammed Ali Joe Frazier Mahmoud Rauf Rahmin from Michigan
Now you've officially lost it. Beilein wouldn't give a kid like Simon a second glance. His entire system would fall apart with the crappy spacing and turnovers. That kid, I refuse to write his ridiculous name, is a great shooter and has a good handle. He shoots 4.8 threes per game at 38% and he averages only 0.7 turnovers to 3.2 assists. He also 40 lbs lighter. I'm not quite sure your eyes are working well. Time for glasses.
“Ridiculous”
You know Marillac, round these parts (New York City) some people might take offense to that.
You moved to Florida and the world went and got itself in a great big hurry. Try to keep up.
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we are sju-even if we accept your second choice than he still sucks as a coach (and I'm not saying he does I'm saying your premise says so) because he has a recruiting plan that you say is not working and he sticks to it. As they say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
I think it is hard for anyone to recruit here. Outside of Lavin's first class no one has been able to recruit consistently since Fran and he was only here 2 years. I think it is also extremely hard for someone of Mullin's stature to deal with all of the nonsense and ass kissing of kids and delusional parents. That is where the Slice / Matt team was supposed to take over. That failure should fall on Mullin. As is the dependence on Matt to recruit transfer players.
ST John's needs to embrace a dirty word around here mid major. Not move into a mid major but recruit like one. Recruit 3 star 6-3 to 6-6 kids that can shoot the three. Mix in a 4 star and transfer kid here and there that fit your system. But bread and butter should be three star kids that can shoot.
You need to take a break to get your mind straight. Between your knocking of our All-American Ponds to drivel about mid-majors, you are losing it.
We aren't setup to recruit the kids you described. Our talent pool consists of kids from or near big cities who are athletic and play fast. We aren't in Wisconsin or Nebraska like Marquette and Creighton. We don't have amazing academics like Georgetown. We need to be creative to get transfers and land a star or two like Ponds.
How can you love Simon so much and then turn around and say we need to recruit skilled shooters?! Simon is the antithesis of what you just described. He is the antithesis of the Villanova player.
Simon is a good player. Ponds is a really good player. That is 2 of 12. 5 or 6 more Marvin Clark's sprinkled in and we are near top of BE.
How many wings that handle and shoot like Simon did you see the last 3-4 rounds? I didn't see any.
Muhammed Ali Joe Frazier Mahmoud Rauf Rahmin from Michigan
Now you've officially lost it. Beilein wouldn't give a kid like Simon a second glance. His entire system would fall apart with the crappy spacing and turnovers. That kid, I refuse to write his ridiculous name, is a great shooter and has a good handle. He shoots 4.8 threes per game at 38% and he averages only 0.7 turnovers to 3.2 assists. He also 40 lbs lighter. I'm not quite sure your eyes are working well. Time for glasses.
“Ridiculous”
You know Marillac, round these parts (New York City) some people might take offense to that.
You moved to Florida and the world went and got itself in a great big hurry. Try to keep up.
Great post lil' buddy. Did you do that all on your own? I was worried because I haven't seen you post in a few days. I thought maybe your guardian restricted your screen time. Thank you for the update on NYC! Hopefully the Easter Bunny brought you and your housemates a lot of treats.
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
I am on a roll predicting things. Won office NCAA bracket pool. Had Nova beating Michigan which was easy but I also had Loyola making it to Sweet 16. Also won my top Gun NCAA pool.
I bring this up because I predict we win 22 games next year and lose 8/9 game. Then Mullin will resign and ride off into the sunset having made the exact number of NCAA tourney's in his first 4 years that Lavin did. But I really hope the last part does not come true. Your constant Pet Detective"laces out Dan" rantings used to annoy me. But now it actually brings me happiness that you are so distraught. So I am rooting that I am wrong on this prediction and Mullin gets a lifetime extension. Unless of course you promise that you will only give Will Brown a year before you start crying about him to quit?
You think I am distraught. Maybe a few years ago. I knew bringing up quit would get you going. Still that is what he should do. 22 wins with this roster? Great prediction dick vitale. Maybe he will win 22 in year 4 and 5 combined. You are right, because of nitwits like you a life time contract is still possible.
Ponds comes back they make the tourney.
I highly doubt it.
I guess you will be disappointed. Don't worry the year after we will probably stink. That should cheer you up
You're right I'll be disappointed when we stink again because our coach was too lazy to recruit 2 grad transfer bigs because he has to make his appearances at Warriors games.
What is more realistic? Guy whose whole life is built around working hard came back to the place that helped make him and suddenly decided to stop working. OR it is hard for anyone to recruit here legally and both him and everyone's favorite midget recruiting plan is not sound? 2nd choice might not make you feel better but it is the correct choice.
Im tired of hearing the "he's worked hard in everything he's done," moniker. Its gotten old real fast. What has he done as head coach that proves that statement to be correct? Matt A does all the recruiting, St. Jean runs all the practices and comes up with the plays. What have you heard about him recruiting? Just because he is a Hall of Famer doesn't mean he doesn't have to bust his ass on the recruiting trail like all the other great coaches have to build their programs. Recruiting is not only trying to get players to come and play for your program, but it is also about getting players on your team to buy in and want to stay and play for you, which he has done a horrible job with so far. I truly believe if we had Lovett, SIma, Ellison, and Mussini this year, there is no doubt that we would have been a tournament team.
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
I am on a roll predicting things. Won office NCAA bracket pool. Had Nova beating Michigan which was easy but I also had Loyola making it to Sweet 16. Also won my top Gun NCAA pool.
I bring this up because I predict we win 22 games next year and lose 8/9 game. Then Mullin will resign and ride off into the sunset having made the exact number of NCAA tourney's in his first 4 years that Lavin did. But I really hope the last part does not come true. Your constant Pet Detective"laces out Dan" rantings used to annoy me. But now it actually brings me happiness that you are so distraught. So I am rooting that I am wrong on this prediction and Mullin gets a lifetime extension. Unless of course you promise that you will only give Will Brown a year before you start crying about him to quit?
You think I am distraught. Maybe a few years ago. I knew bringing up quit would get you going. Still that is what he should do. 22 wins with this roster? Great prediction dick vitale. Maybe he will win 22 in year 4 and 5 combined. You are right, because of nitwits like you a life time contract is still possible.
Ponds comes back they make the tourney.
I highly doubt it.
I guess you will be disappointed. Don't worry the year after we will probably stink. That should cheer you up
You're right I'll be disappointed when we stink again because our coach was too lazy to recruit 2 grad transfer bigs because he has to make his appearances at Warriors games.
What is more realistic? Guy whose whole life is built around working hard came back to the place that helped make him and suddenly decided to stop working. OR it is hard for anyone to recruit here legally and both him and everyone's favorite midget recruiting plan is not sound? 2nd choice might not make you feel better but it is the correct choice.
Im tired of hearing the "he's worked hard in everything he's done," moniker. Its gotten old real fast. What has he done as head coach that proves that statement to be correct? Matt A does all the recruiting, St. Jean runs all the practices and comes up with the plays. What have you heard about him recruiting? Just because he is a Hall of Famer doesn't mean he doesn't have to bust his ass on the recruiting trail like all the other great coaches have to build their programs. Recruiting is not only trying to get players to come and play for your program, but it is also about getting players on your team to buy in and want to stay and play for you, which he has done a horrible job with so far. I truly believe if we had Lovett, SIma, Ellison, and Mussini this year, there is no doubt that we would have been a tournament team.
Yeah that straw man argument gets old real fast. The argument is basically just because you were a great player, worked hard at it and were around the game your whole life means you're going to succeed as a HC. Total BS! We've already seen too many cases of this not working. If this was a career achievement award then Mullin wins. Yet this has nothing to do with his past and everything to do with his current job which he is lousy at. Besides keeping his players eligible and staying out of trouble, all that matters is wins/losses and how you do on the recruiting trail. He has yet to prove he is capable to succeed at either yet and next season is his judgement day.
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
I am on a roll predicting things. Won office NCAA bracket pool. Had Nova beating Michigan which was easy but I also had Loyola making it to Sweet 16. Also won my top Gun NCAA pool.
I bring this up because I predict we win 22 games next year and lose 8/9 game. Then Mullin will resign and ride off into the sunset having made the exact number of NCAA tourney's in his first 4 years that Lavin did. But I really hope the last part does not come true. Your constant Pet Detective"laces out Dan" rantings used to annoy me. But now it actually brings me happiness that you are so distraught. So I am rooting that I am wrong on this prediction and Mullin gets a lifetime extension. Unless of course you promise that you will only give Will Brown a year before you start crying about him to quit?
You think I am distraught. Maybe a few years ago. I knew bringing up quit would get you going. Still that is what he should do. 22 wins with this roster? Great prediction dick vitale. Maybe he will win 22 in year 4 and 5 combined. You are right, because of nitwits like you a life time contract is still possible.
Ponds comes back they make the tourney.
Lose 2 starters. Plus yakwe. Bring in 1 good not great recruit. What are We betting ?
What if ponds leaves?
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What are We betting ?
Even money that you're dumber than an earth grader.
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What are We betting ?
Even money that you're dumber than an earth grader.
Only going to get worse. What if we don't land that transfer from North Carolina a&m? or that other kid from Suny Cortland or is it Oneonta? Doesn't matter those Suny schools are all good.
1/5 we play 8/9 game in the big east tournament
2/1 a walk-on plays extended minutes during Big East
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Really do not understand it as well. Why do we rarely hear of him ever going hard after any of these high school recruits or even transfers? All we ever here is "Matt was in to see so and so yesterday." When recruits who we are recruiting are asked about where St. Johns stands its usually that they speak to matt or that we have 2 hall of fame coaches. They never mention a relationship they have with those hall of fame coaches. Paultz do you have any insight to this at all, or is what is being written true, that Mullin is not really working hard at recruiting? It is beyond frustrating.
As noted often, we have a one recruiter model for most part. Too dependent on one guy and unrealistic work load in my opinion. Can’t say with certainty what CM does, but if he is the closer & planning, coordinating the efforts of two guys that seems fine
This guy has already collected 6 million. When will the kid gloves be taken off? If he doesn’t want the job, once again he should quit. If he wants the job, do it right. Richmond needs to go. A real coach has to be hired. Our head coach has to quadruple his efforts. One guy can’t recuit. 4 coaches are getting paid.
I am on a roll predicting things. Won office NCAA bracket pool. Had Nova beating Michigan which was easy but I also had Loyola making it to Sweet 16. Also won my top Gun NCAA pool.
I bring this up because I predict we win 22 games next year and lose 8/9 game. Then Mullin will resign and ride off into the sunset having made the exact number of NCAA tourney's in his first 4 years that Lavin did. But I really hope the last part does not come true. Your constant Pet Detective"laces out Dan" rantings used to annoy me. But now it actually brings me happiness that you are so distraught. So I am rooting that I am wrong on this prediction and Mullin gets a lifetime extension. Unless of course you promise that you will only give Will Brown a year before you start crying about him to quit?
You think I am distraught. Maybe a few years ago. I knew bringing up quit would get you going. Still that is what he should do. 22 wins with this roster? Great prediction dick vitale. Maybe he will win 22 in year 4 and 5 combined. You are right, because of nitwits like you a life time contract is still possible.
Ponds comes back they make the tourney.
I highly doubt it.
I guess you will be disappointed. Don't worry the year after we will probably stink. That should cheer you up
You're right I'll be disappointed when we stink again because our coach was too lazy to recruit 2 grad transfer bigs because he has to make his appearances at Warriors games.
What is more realistic? Guy whose whole life is built around working hard came back to the place that helped make him and suddenly decided to stop working. OR it is hard for anyone to recruit here legally and both him and everyone's favorite midget recruiting plan is not sound? 2nd choice might not make you feel better but it is the correct choice.
I wouldn't even be mad if you heard that he was out at different HS gyms and AAU games every week. But he just seems apathetic. It's one thing to not be able to recruit its a whole other thing not to try at all.
Do you think he took this job thinking that all he would have to do is wait in his office and have the recruits come to him ? Or hire a staff to do all the work. Just doesn't make sense. And where is Goff in all of this ?
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it seems every coach who comes here all of a sudden becomes lazy and arrogant. wonder why that is?
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it seems every coach who comes here all of a sudden becomes lazy and arrogant. wonder why that is?
The ones that have been I can think of at least two reasons- 1)because they can (are allowed to) 2) easy money. Most of us would take a high paying job where yo don't have to work to hard.
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https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2018/4/5/17169106/st-johns-grade-chris-mullin-third-year-readers
link only about Mullin, have a hard time believing people who were driven and successful before arriving, go soft upon moving to SJU.
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https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2018/4/5/17169106/st-johns-grade-chris-mullin-third-year-readers
link only about Mullin, have a hard time believing people who were driven and successful before arriving, go soft upon moving to SJU.
You'd have to ask Mullin that. He's clearly not getting the job done. Regardless of the circumstances, you are what your record says you are.
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Perhaps more interesting Zach tweet tonight;
https://twitter.com/jcoggs17/status/982803533287260160
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I wonder who our next coach will be. It's becoming fairly obvious Mullin won't last past next year. He didn't even show up to Femi's visit because he was probably too busy playing HORSE with coach Mitch. The writing is on the wall, and I can't wait until he steps away. It may not solve all the problems currently at SJU, but I'd at least rather have a coach who actually cares about the program, and does his job. He obviously could care less about his job, and he sucks at it.
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I wonder who our next coach will be. It's becoming fairly obvious Mullin won't last past next year. He didn't even show up to Femi's visit because he was probably too busy playing HORSE with coach Mitch. The writing is on the wall, and I can't wait until he steps away. It may not solve all the problems currently at SJU, but I'd at least rather have a coach who actually cares about the program, and does his job. He obviously could care less about his job, and he sucks at it.
It was my belief that if he did not bring on another assistant this year, that he was going to ride out his contract and leave no matter what or walk away sooner. He has shown in 3 years, he can not recruit, coach, or know how to build a program, and he is not even getting better at any of them. This offseason is looking all too similar to last offseason, where staff is scrambling to find players to fill big holes. Losing TO was probably unexpected, (maybe) but this staff needed another big no matter what. Now that TO is gone, they need 2 bigs, who are not just serviceable, but impact players.
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I wonder who our next coach will be. It's becoming fairly obvious Mullin won't last past next year. He didn't even show up to Femi's visit because he was probably too busy playing HORSE with coach Mitch. The writing is on the wall, and I can't wait until he steps away. It may not solve all the problems currently at SJU, but I'd at least rather have a coach who actually cares about the program, and does his job. He obviously could care less about his job, and he sucks at it.
It was my belief that if he did not bring on another assistant this year, that he was going to ride out his contract and leave no matter what or walk away sooner. He has shown in 3 years, he can not recruit, coach, or know how to build a program, and he is not even getting better at any of them. This offseason is looking all too similar to last offseason, where staff is scrambling to find players to fill big holes. Losing TO was probably unexpected, (maybe) but this staff needed another big no matter what. Now that TO is gone, they need 2 bigs, who are not just serviceable, but impact players.
I am so tired of this nonsense...
This team was massively improved to start the year but you say the coach has not gotten better. The season went south when Lovett got hurt, that is it.
Last year, all people complained about (rightfully) was the defense, and the team comes out and plays the first 12 games as one of the best defensive teams in the country.
You think the coaching didn't get any better..? A weak coach/staff would not have an 0 - 11 team playing as hard as St. John's did. Injuries are something every coach deals with and adjust to but the Lovett injury was just too much for this group to get over quickly. If they had a full roster and flopped in league play, all of these criticisms would be on point but now it has just become noise.
I am in massive agreement that the staff needs a more experienced voice on the bench but to say the coaching has not improved overall shows a lack of understanding of the game.
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I wonder who our next coach will be. It's becoming fairly obvious Mullin won't last past next year. He didn't even show up to Femi's visit because he was probably too busy playing HORSE with coach Mitch. The writing is on the wall, and I can't wait until he steps away. It may not solve all the problems currently at SJU, but I'd at least rather have a coach who actually cares about the program, and does his job. He obviously could care less about his job, and he sucks at it.
Biggest concern is who the potential successor will be. The new president has a reputation of being a cost cutter. I was surprised he opened the checkbook for Mullin and crew. If that ends up being an epic failure I wouldn't be surprised to see him go the cheap route of hiring an up and coming coach next time. Not saying that can't be successful but I think the chances are higher for failure then breaking the bank for an experienced guy with a track record. I don't think our program can afford another bad hire.
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I wonder who our next coach will be.
Don't wonder too long you may get a headache.
BTW I wonder what I may eat for dinner tonight. I try to keep my mind on simpler things.
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I wonder who our next coach will be. It's becoming fairly obvious Mullin won't last past next year. He didn't even show up to Femi's visit because he was probably too busy playing HORSE with coach Mitch. The writing is on the wall, and I can't wait until he steps away. It may not solve all the problems currently at SJU, but I'd at least rather have a coach who actually cares about the program, and does his job. He obviously could care less about his job, and he sucks at it.
Biggest concern is who the potential successor will be. The new president has a reputation of being a cost cutter. I was surprised he opened the checkbook for Mullin and crew. If that ends up being an epic failure I wouldn't be surprised to see him go the cheap route of hiring an up and coming coach next time. Not saying that can't be successful but I think the chances are higher for failure then breaking the bank for an experienced guy with a track record. I don't think our program can afford another bad hire.
You want to know the beauty of bringing in an up and coming HC? It can't get any worse than it currently is today. He'll be cheaper and hungrier as well.
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I wonder who our next coach will be. It's becoming fairly obvious Mullin won't last past next year. He didn't even show up to Femi's visit because he was probably too busy playing HORSE with coach Mitch. The writing is on the wall, and I can't wait until he steps away. It may not solve all the problems currently at SJU, but I'd at least rather have a coach who actually cares about the program, and does his job. He obviously could care less about his job, and he sucks at it.
It was my belief that if he did not bring on another assistant this year, that he was going to ride out his contract and leave no matter what or walk away sooner. He has shown in 3 years, he can not recruit, coach, or know how to build a program, and he is not even getting better at any of them. This offseason is looking all too similar to last offseason, where staff is scrambling to find players to fill big holes. Losing TO was probably unexpected, (maybe) but this staff needed another big no matter what. Now that TO is gone, they need 2 bigs, who are not just serviceable, but impact players.
I am so tired of this nonsense...
This team was massively improved to start the year but you say the coach has not gotten better. The season went south when Lovett got hurt, that is it.
Last year, all people complained about (rightfully) was the defense, and the team comes out and plays the first 12 games as one of the best defensive teams in the country.
You think the coaching didn't get any better..? A weak coach/staff would not have an 0 - 11 team playing as hard as St. John's did. Injuries are something every coach deals with and adjust to but the Lovett injury was just too much for this group to get over quickly. If they had a full roster and flopped in league play, all of these criticisms would be on point but now it has just become noise.
I am in massive agreement that the staff needs a more experienced voice on the bench but to say the coaching has not improved overall shows a lack of understanding of the game.
A good coach/staff wouldn't have been 0-11 to begin with so they wouldn't have that problem.
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You want to know the beauty of bringing in an up and coming HC? It can't get any worse than it currently is today. He'll be cheaper and hungrier as well.
How did that work out with Norm Roberts..?
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You want to know the beauty of bringing in an up and coming HC? It can't get any worse than it currently is today. He'll be cheaper and hungrier as well.
How did that work out with Norm Roberts..?
Last place, 9th place and last place. There is no argument for keeping Chris Mullin. Also you want to lower the bar on Mullin by comparing him to a name that no one in college basketball circles has ever heard of? Talk about devaluing a legend.
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You want to know the beauty of bringing in an up and coming HC? It can't get any worse than it currently is today. He'll be cheaper and hungrier as well.
How did that work out with Norm Roberts..?
Last place, 9th place and last place. There is no argument for keeping Chris Mullin. Also you want to lower the bar on Mullin by comparing him to a name that no one in college basketball circles has ever heard of? Talk about devaluing a legend.
I never compared Coach Mullin to anyone.
YOU brought up hiring an up & coming coach, the last time St. John's did that it was a train wreck...
Chris Mullin is a legend as a player, not a coach. Three years doesn't make or break anyone as a HC... time will only tell where Coach Mullins ends up as a coach
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You want to know the beauty of bringing in an up and coming HC? It can't get any worse than it currently is today. He'll be cheaper and hungrier as well.
How did that work out with Norm Roberts..?
Last place, 9th place and last place. There is no argument for keeping Chris Mullin. Also you want to lower the bar on Mullin by comparing him to a name that no one in college basketball circles has ever heard of? Talk about devaluing a legend.
I never compared Coach Mullin to anyone.
YOU brought up hiring an up & coming coach, the last time St. John's did that it was a train wreck...
Chris Mullin is a legend as a player, not a coach. Three years doesn't make or break anyone as a HC... time will only tell where Coach Mullins ends up as a coach
Right on the money PMG.
We have the worst fans in the world. The team was much better to start the year and then Lovett got hurt. We then improved significantly to end the season. It is blatantly obvious Coach Mullin has been improving. Will he improve enough through next year to see Ponds in the big dance? Time will tell.
This line of thinking needs to end. Coach is here for minimum two more years. If we still haven’t made a tourney then maybe we will move on but we are still a ways away.
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You want to know the beauty of bringing in an up and coming HC? It can't get any worse than it currently is today. He'll be cheaper and hungrier as well.
How did that work out with Norm Roberts..?
Last place, 9th place and last place. There is no argument for keeping Chris Mullin. Also you want to lower the bar on Mullin by comparing him to a name that no one in college basketball circles has ever heard of? Talk about devaluing a legend.
I never compared Coach Mullin to anyone.
YOU brought up hiring an up & coming coach, the last time St. John's did that it was a train wreck...
Chris Mullin is a legend as a player, not a coach. Three years doesn't make or break anyone as a HC... time will only tell where Coach Mullins ends up as a coach
Right on the money PMG.
We have the worst fans in the world. The team was much better to start the year and then Lovett got hurt. We then improved significantly to end the season. It is blatantly obvious Coach Mullin has been improving. Will he improve enough through next year to see Ponds in the big dance? Time will tell.
This line of thinking needs to end. Coach is here for minimum two more years. If we still haven’t made a tourney then maybe we will move on but we are still a ways away.
There is no way he will be here for another 2 years unless he makes the tourney next year, and that's looking less likely everyday. I don't get how people can't see the writing on the wall. We're recruiting football players nowadays. Every big recruit we were supposed to be in with in 2018 didn't even consider us, and the same thing is happening with the 2019 class, and with transfers. Where is your beloved Coach Mullin? No where to be found. He's checked out.
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You want to know the beauty of bringing in an up and coming HC? It can't get any worse than it currently is today. He'll be cheaper and hungrier as well.
How did that work out with Norm Roberts..?
To be fair, Norm was not considered an "up and coming" head coach. The guy hadn't been a head coach for 10 years before he got SJU and that was at Queens College when he went 24-84.
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I wonder who our next coach will be. It's becoming fairly obvious Mullin won't last past next year. He didn't even show up to Femi's visit because he was probably too busy playing HORSE with coach Mitch. The writing is on the wall, and I can't wait until he steps away. It may not solve all the problems currently at SJU, but I'd at least rather have a coach who actually cares about the program, and does his job. He obviously could care less about his job, and he sucks at it.
Biggest concern is who the potential successor will be. The new president has a reputation of being a cost cutter. I was surprised he opened the checkbook for Mullin and crew. If that ends up being an epic failure I wouldn't be surprised to see him go the cheap route of hiring an up and coming coach next time. Not saying that can't be successful but I think the chances are higher for failure then breaking the bank for an experienced guy with a track record. I don't think our program can afford another bad hire.
SJU President is cutting but he is also refocusing funds. SJU dumped millions of dollars on their business school. He also investing money into the SJUBB, because he knows that SJU is a basketball school. Mullin is/supposed to be the link to bring in more money. He’s also a basketball fan. It will be interesting what happens if things continue to look bad and unravel.
Even Braziller mention, how SJU fans frustration our understandable today. Pressure will first be quietly applied and will escalate.
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“Mullin is/supposed to be the link to bring in more money. He’s also a basketball fan. It will be interesting what happens if things continue to look bad and unravel. “
See! This right here! SJU looking for money before getting good. They hire Mullin to bring money in from boosters while we stink instead of making the right move. 95% of usnhere would have chose Danny Hurley during last hire. We pass him over totally for Mullin for the appeal to boosters instead of hiring a coach. This foolish. Our athletic department and President know zero about making good hires. We consistently go out and make dopey moves. UConn dumps their head coach Ollie who was also a dopey move(that NC was Calhoun’s team and he was involved all the way through). They hire Hurley which was an excellent one I believe. We never get it right. Maybe one day we make a good basketball hire who knows both basketball and recruiting and can coach it before trying to bring in dollars at the front end and just pissing it away...
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You want to know the beauty of bringing in an up and coming HC? It can't get any worse than it currently is today. He'll be cheaper and hungrier as well.
How did that work out with Norm Roberts..?
Last place, 9th place and last place. There is no argument for keeping Chris Mullin. Also you want to lower the bar on Mullin by comparing him to a name that no one in college basketball circles has ever heard of? Talk about devaluing a legend.
I never compared Coach Mullin to anyone.
YOU brought up hiring an up & coming coach, the last time St. John's did that it was a train wreck...
Chris Mullin is a legend as a player, not a coach. Three years doesn't make or break anyone as a HC... time will only tell where Coach Mullins ends up as a coach
Mullin is a train wreck and nothing he has done as head coach says otherwise.
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“Mullin is/supposed to be the link to bring in more money. He’s also a basketball fan. It will be interesting what happens if things continue to look bad and unravel. “
See! This right here! SJU looking for money before getting good. They hire Mullin to bring money in from boosters while we stink instead of making the right move. 95% of usnhere would have chose Danny Hurley during last hire. We pass him over totally for Mullin for the appeal to boosters instead of hiring a coach. This foolish. Our athletic department and President know zero about making good hires. We consistently go out and make dopey moves. UConn dumps their head coach Ollie who was also a dopey move(that NC was Calhoun’s team and he was involved all the way through). They hire Hurley which was an excellent one I believe. We never get it right. Maybe one day we make a good basketball hire who knows both basketball and recruiting and can coach it before trying to bring in dollars at the front end and just pissing it away...
Small time operation. That's why SJU basketball is the mess that is. Think small and get small results and that's what has happened in Queens from the admin to the coaching staff. I will say it again. Even if we did make the tourney next year which is looking more and more like a longshot with each passing day, the following year would be back to starting from scratch. The way Mullin has tried to build this program isn't sustainable, it's for instant gratification like when you beat Duke and Nova yet you are still in last place in your conference. Fool's gold! Not a foundation but a house on 4 wheels.
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Mullin's failures aren't as a game coach. The team despite only having 6/7 players for most of the season was competitive in all but 3 or 4 games. The problem is his management of the program. It's as if he doesn't realize that this is his program. It's certainly reasonable to forgive some transfers because that's the game today. No one wants to wait their turn, and everyone thinks they deserve major minutes despite whether they've earned them or not.
But lack of PT isn't the case with most of the players who are leaving. Owens would have played. Probably would have started. He decided not to. Why? What has he recognized in this staff that has him on a plane to Texas?
What concerns me the most isn't even the chances taken on Zach Brown and Sid Wilson. It's the fact that so many players simply don't want to play for Mullin. What's the problem? Why are so many players jumping ship? Sima, Ellison, Yakwe, LoVett and Owens should be forming a strong senior core heading into next season. On paper, each player's reason for leaving is different, but the commonality cannot be ignored anymore.
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Mullin's failures aren't as a game coach. The team despite only having 6/7 players for most of the season was competitive in all but 3 or 4 games. The problem is his management of the program. It's as if he doesn't realize that this is his program. It's certainly reasonable to forgive some transfers because that's the game today. No one wants to wait their turn, and everyone thinks they deserve major minutes despite whether they've earned them or not.
But lack of PT isn't the case with most of the players who are leaving. Owens would have played. Probably would have started. He decided not to. Why? What has he recognized in this staff that has him on a plane to Texas?
What concerns me the most isn't even the chances taken on Zach Brown and Sid Wilson. It's the fact that so many players simply don't want to play for Mullin. What's the problem? Why are so many players jumping ship? Sima, Ellison, Yakwe, LoVett and Owens should be forming a strong senior core heading into next season. On paper, each player's reason for leaving is different, but the commonality cannot be ignored anymore.
I don't disagree with the first half of this. I don't even disagree with the second half except:
Of the players who've left, which one's have made wise decisions that flattered their characters and or furthered their careers? Sima transferred mid season to sit out a year and played half a season at OK State, where he averaged 3 point a game, which he's now left. Ellison transferred to the worst program in D1, sat out a year and now has to play for a decimated program - as opposed to being an integral piece at SJU. Lovett quit on his team mates and ruined a basketball season for them and the fans and the university, for purely selfish reasons. That does not reflect well on him even if it works out. Owens left because he thinks - or his delusional father thinks - that he should be the focal point of the offense, despite being a haphazard shooter with no handle and no post game. And I note that under other circumstances some posters might describe him as a sissy who left the bright lights of NYC for some backwater in Trump country. Sid Wilson went to a team in the midst of an NCAA investigation. Moses Zach Brown's going to end up dead or in prison. The only departures that makes sense to me are Yawke - because he's been for whatever reason buried - and the two euros who went home to play for money.
It may be that they've all transferred because they doubt Mullin can help them develop as basketball players, although their are players - more talented players - who've flourished under Mullin: Ponds, Clarke and Simon. It could be that they're just teenage members of the stupidest generation with partially developed brains who transferred for nonsensical reasons having to do with the instant gratification everyone gets a gold star environment in which they were raised. It could be that staff had to take chance on players of questionable character because of the state of the cupard when he they got here and that backfired. It could be all of that or none. What I question is drawing conclusions about Mullin's tenure from their departures, singularly or collectively. Because not too many of them seem to have done what's best for themselves or their careers.
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I wonder who our next coach will be. It's becoming fairly obvious Mullin won't last past next year. He didn't even show up to Femi's visit because he was probably too busy playing HORSE with coach Mitch. The writing is on the wall, and I can't wait until he steps away. It may not solve all the problems currently at SJU, but I'd at least rather have a coach who actually cares about the program, and does his job. He obviously could care less about his job, and he sucks at it.
It was my belief that if he did not bring on another assistant this year, that he was going to ride out his contract and leave no matter what or walk away sooner. He has shown in 3 years, he can not recruit, coach, or know how to build a program, and he is not even getting better at any of them. This offseason is looking all too similar to last offseason, where staff is scrambling to find players to fill big holes. Losing TO was probably unexpected, (maybe) but this staff needed another big no matter what. Now that TO is gone, they need 2 bigs, who are not just serviceable, but impact players.
I am so tired of this nonsense...
This team was massively improved to start the year but you say the coach has not gotten better. The season went south when Lovett got hurt, that is it.
Last year, all people complained about (rightfully) was the defense, and the team comes out and plays the first 12 games as one of the best defensive teams in the country.
You think the coaching didn't get any better..? A weak coach/staff would not have an 0 - 11 team playing as hard as St. John's did. Injuries are something every coach deals with and adjust to but the Lovett injury was just too much for this group to get over quickly. If they had a full roster and flopped in league play, all of these criticisms would be on point but now it has just become noise.
I am in massive agreement that the staff needs a more experienced voice on the bench but to say the coaching has not improved overall shows a lack of understanding of the game.
I am not going to spend time talking about my understanding of the game, especially since I am around knowledgeable folks who have played or are coaching at the highest of levels right now. The common agreement is that this staff is completely clueless and not suited to succeed at the div 1 level.
Your basis on the staff improving, was that they started out the first 12 games with one of the best defenses in country. Really? The best win was against Nebraska at home. A team that won over 20 games and still was a 5 seed in the NIT. SJU played 7 games with Lovett, and the only team that was good was Mizzouri and SJU gave up 92 points and allowed them to shoot 51% from 3. Improvement? Lets look at the big east season. They lose 11 in a row, with some of the worst late game adjustments I have seen in a while, lack of ability to stop team from big runs late in game, and allow teams to make a high % of 3 pointers. Lovett was a big loss, no doubt, but a 11 game losing streak? Creighton lost one of their best players, did they lose 11 in a row? Where is the improvement??? You are telling me, that the loss of Lovett would of taken a good staff 11 games to figure out how to get over the hump? Fast forward to games 12-18 in conference. SJU gets big wins against Nova and Marq, and then when Ponds is not being Superman, the team goes 1-4 over last 5. You say they improved over course of season because the team played hard, well that is not what matters. Wins and losses does, and from my point of view against teams who meant something on schedule, I see 0-1 w/ Lovett and 4-15 w/out.
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You want to know the beauty of bringing in an up and coming HC? It can't get any worse than it currently is today. He'll be cheaper and hungrier as well.
How did that work out with Norm Roberts..?
Last place, 9th place and last place. There is no argument for keeping Chris Mullin. Also you want to lower the bar on Mullin by comparing him to a name that no one in college basketball circles has ever heard of? Talk about devaluing a legend.
I never compared Coach Mullin to anyone.
YOU brought up hiring an up & coming coach, the last time St. John's did that it was a train wreck...
Chris Mullin is a legend as a player, not a coach. Three years doesn't make or break anyone as a HC... time will only tell where Coach Mullins ends up as a coach
Three years doesn't, but could you atleast try recruiting, or made the effort to be on campus last Sunday, when a grad transfer big was on campus. He wasn't and Femi said screw Mullin.
It all starts with recruitinf Pmg. Should be a simply thing to understand for Mullin, but I guess not.
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Improvement?
From 2017 to 2018, talent is better, coaching is better, defense is better. That's constitutes improvement. It might not be optimal but this year's team was better than last year's, I don't see how that's even arguable.
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Three years doesn't, but could you atleast try recruiting, or made the effort to be on campus last Sunday, when a grad transfer big was on campus. He wasn't and Femi said screw Mullin.It all starts with recruitinf Pmg. Should be a simply thing to understand for Mullin, but I guess not.
Wasn't that rumor debunked by the rumor monger who started it? Pretty sure it was.
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Mullin's failures aren't as a game coach. The team despite only having 6/7 players for most of the season was competitive in all but 3 or 4 games. The problem is his management of the program. It's as if he doesn't realize that this is his program. It's certainly reasonable to forgive some transfers because that's the game today. No one wants to wait their turn, and everyone thinks they deserve major minutes despite whether they've earned them or not.
But lack of PT isn't the case with most of the players who are leaving. Owens would have played. Probably would have started. He decided not to. Why? What has he recognized in this staff that has him on a plane to Texas?
What concerns me the most isn't even the chances taken on Zach Brown and Sid Wilson. It's the fact that so many players simply don't want to play for Mullin. What's the problem? Why are so many players jumping ship? Sima, Ellison, Yakwe, LoVett and Owens should be forming a strong senior core heading into next season. On paper, each player's reason for leaving is different, but the commonality cannot be ignored anymore.
I don't disagree with the first half of this. I don't even disagree with the second half except:
Of the players who've left, which one's have made wise decisions that flattered their characters and or furthered their careers? Sima transferred mid season to sit out a year and played half a season at OK State, where he averaged 3 point a game, which he's now left. Ellison transferred to the worst program in D1, sat out a year and now has to play for a decimated program - as opposed to being an integral piece at SJU. Lovett quit on his team mates and ruined a basketball season for them and the fans and the university, for purely selfish reasons. That does not reflect well on him even if it works out. Owens left because he thinks - or his delusional father thinks - that he should be the focal point of the offense, despite being a haphazard shooter with no handle and no post game. And I note that under other circumstances some posters might describe him as a sissy who left the bright lights of NYC for some backwater in Trump country. Sid Wilson went to a team in the midst of an NCAA investigation. Moses Zach Brown's going to end up dead or in prison. The only departures that makes sense to me are Yawke - because he's been for whatever reason buried - and the two euros who went home to play for money.
It may be that they've all transferred because they doubt Mullin can help them develop as basketball players, although their are players - more talented players - who've flourished under Mullin: Ponds, Clarke and Simon. It could be that they're just teenage members of the stupidest generation with partially developed brains who transferred for nonsensical reasons having to do with the instant gratification everyone gets a gold star environment in which they were raised. It could be that staff had to take chance on players of questionable character because of the state of the cupard when he they got here and that backfired. It could be all of that or none. What I question is drawing conclusions about Mullin's tenure from their departures, singularly or collectively. Because not too many of them seem to have done what's best for themselves or their careers.
We didn’t lose world beaters, but we lost several guys that we needed. Sima would have helped this team. He left Spain to come here. For whatever reason it wasn’t a good fit. The staff had to get what they could in a very short time frame, and with very little to choose from. Wilson would have helped this team. He was recruited over the summer when I imagine the staff decided to count how many players they had for the season and realized that every other D1 team had more than two C/PFs.
Year one, it’s forgiven. Heading into year three it shouldn’t be forgiven by anyone. The staff has shown horrible judgement in their plan for building this program. Do you not agree?
The variety of excuses for players not working out is overwhelming. Ellison, Williams, Sima, Yakwe, Freudenberg, Mussini, Jones, Tariq’s dad, LoVett, Sid Wilson and Zach Brown aren’t accountable for the state of the St.John’s program.
I don’t know which of these players left because of something the staff did, didn’t do or said. None of us does, but I find it telling that you are pretty quick to blame the players and their parents instead of the coach.
When and where is Mullin accountable for the job he was hired to do?
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Yet, big e
Improvement?
From 2017 to 2018, talent is better, coaching is better, defense is better. That's constitutes improvement. It might not be optimal but this year's team was better than last year's, I don't see how that's even arguable.
Yet big east record was worse.
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Mullin's failures aren't as a game coach. The team despite only having 6/7 players for most of the season was competitive in all but 3 or 4 games. The problem is his management of the program. It's as if he doesn't realize that this is his program. It's certainly reasonable to forgive some transfers because that's the game today. No one wants to wait their turn, and everyone thinks they deserve major minutes despite whether they've earned them or not.
But lack of PT isn't the case with most of the players who are leaving. Owens would have played. Probably would have started. He decided not to. Why? What has he recognized in this staff that has him on a plane to Texas?
What concerns me the most isn't even the chances taken on Zach Brown and Sid Wilson. It's the fact that so many players simply don't want to play for Mullin. What's the problem? Why are so many players jumping ship? Sima, Ellison, Yakwe, LoVett and Owens should be forming a strong senior core heading into next season. On paper, each player's reason for leaving is different, but the commonality cannot be ignored anymore.
I don't disagree with the first half of this. I don't even disagree with the second half except:
Of the players who've left, which one's have made wise decisions that flattered their characters and or furthered their careers? Sima transferred mid season to sit out a year and played half a season at OK State, where he averaged 3 point a game, which he's now left. Ellison transferred to the worst program in D1, sat out a year and now has to play for a decimated program - as opposed to being an integral piece at SJU. Lovett quit on his team mates and ruined a basketball season for them and the fans and the university, for purely selfish reasons. That does not reflect well on him even if it works out. Owens left because he thinks - or his delusional father thinks - that he should be the focal point of the offense, despite being a haphazard shooter with no handle and no post game. And I note that under other circumstances some posters might describe him as a sissy who left the bright lights of NYC for some backwater in Trump country. Sid Wilson went to a team in the midst of an NCAA investigation. Moses Zach Brown's going to end up dead or in prison. The only departures that makes sense to me are Yawke - because he's been for whatever reason buried - and the two euros who went home to play for money.
It may be that they've all transferred because they doubt Mullin can help them develop as basketball players, although their are players - more talented players - who've flourished under Mullin: Ponds, Clarke and Simon. It could be that they're just teenage members of the stupidest generation with partially developed brains who transferred for nonsensical reasons having to do with the instant gratification everyone gets a gold star environment in which they were raised. It could be that staff had to take chance on players of questionable character because of the state of the cupard when he they got here and that backfired. It could be all of that or none. What I question is drawing conclusions about Mullin's tenure from their departures, singularly or collectively. Because not too many of them seem to have done what's best for themselves or their careers.
We didn’t lose world beaters, but we lost several guys that we needed. Sima would have helped this team. He left Spain to come here. For whatever reason it wasn’t a good fit. The staff had to get what they could in a very short time frame, and with very little to choose from. Wilson would have helped this team. He was recruited over the summer when I imagine the staff decided to count how many players they had for the season and realized that every other D1 team had more than two C/PFs.
Year one, it’s forgiven. Heading into year three it shouldn’t be forgiven by anyone. The staff has shown horrible judgement in their plan for building this program. Do you not agree?
The variety of excuses for players not working out is overwhelming. Ellison, Williams, Sima, Yakwe, Freudenberg, Mussini, Jones, Tariq’s dad, LoVett, Sid Wilson and Zach Brown aren’t accountable for the state of the St.John’s program.
I don’t know which of these players left because of something the staff did, didn’t do or said. None of us does, but I find it telling that you are pretty quick to blame the players and their parents instead of the coach.
When and where is Mullin accountable for the job he was hired to do?
I'm not saying Mullin should not be accountable. Obviously he should be. I'm not saying that he's done a fine job. Obviously he has not. There are obvious deficiencies in the management of the program. Your original post stated them them well and fairly and I stated my agreement. Nor am I saying that the players who have left would not have helped. Obviously they would have. All I'm saying is that judging him on the basis of decisions made by teenagers - which in hindsight are in the main not the best decisions they might have made, because many of them were short sighted decisions that hurt themselves and their team mates and the fans and the university - might not be the only or best conclusion to be drawn, and especially because their decisions affected the outcome. That's all. Look at it this way: if Owens and Yawke not transferred, would it have changed your opinion of Mullin and the trajectory of the program? I don't think it so. All it does is confirm your opinion of what was and should be. You may well be right, eventually. But you're not right yet - and as a SJ BB fan I hope you're wrong - and the facts you posit as dispositive do not in me compel a different opinion. No doubt we can agree on this at least: next year is a big year.
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Improvement?
From 2017 to 2018, talent is better, coaching is better, defense is better. That's constitutes improvement. It might not be optimal but this year's team was better than last year's, I don't see how that's even arguable.
Everything was much better agree completely. Still we lost 11 in a row and came in 9th place. As of now on paper our talent is worse then last year. Why should we be positive?
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Yet, big eImprovement?
From 2017 to 2018, talent is better, coaching is better, defense is better. That's constitutes improvement. It might not be optimal but this year's team was better than last year's, I don't see how that's even arguable.
Yet big east record was worse.
Had you asked whether the big east record was worse, I'd have answered that question. You didn't. In response to PMG's assertion that the product was improved, you scoffed: "where is the improvement" you said with several exclamation points, like he was a half blind half tard. I told you where the improvement was: in the coaching, in the talent, in the defense. If the only metric for measuring improvement is whether the big east record is better or worse, we don't need you and your "knowledgeable folks" that you're around "at the highest levels" to inform of us that, all we need is a first grade math teacher.
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Improvement?
From 2017 to 2018, talent is better, coaching is better, defense is better. That's constitutes improvement. It might not be optimal but this year's team was better than last year's, I don't see how that's even arguable.
Everything was much better agree completely. Still we lost 11 in a row and came in 9th place. As of now on paper our talent is worse then last year. Why should we be positive?
I didn't say you should be positive - although you should be, what with advances in genetically modified bran and multi ply toilet tissue technology. I just said that this year was better than last year. Moreover, I hope that next year is better than was this. Do you? Or would you rather things got worse so that you could sign onto this important forum while evacuating your bowels to say I told you so. Serious question. Would you rather be right about Mullin stinking and watch SJ lose for another couple of seasons or be wrong and watch them win?
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I would rather watch them win. How can they win if we don’t get any players? If we finished the season like we did. Kept yakwe and Owens. Kept brooks who is a player and added juco or grad PG or a 3 star decent PG I would be content for this year. With the expectation that we would recruit hard the 19 class.
Do you believe this team has more talent this coming year then last year at this time? Can’t believe you do.
Your boy is making millions. Not to improve but to win.
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We lose AA, Yakwe, Owens, and Ahmed and add Keita, Dixon, Williams, Earlington, and Roberts. That makes us bigger and deeper than last season and fills in the gaping hole at guard.
Keita will almost certainly be a + over Owens, a freshman Roberts will be a wash with a senior AA and will likely defend the center position better, Earlington is a + over Yakwe, and Dixon and Williams are a huge + over Ahmed.
I was one of the most negative posters heading into last season and I'm fine with this roster. I'd be much happier if we could add a true PG and a capable grad big, but I don't see any glaring deficiencies. Dixon will surprise and the trio of Dixon-Williams-Simon will allow Ponds to get some well planned rest around the under eight and/or under 12 timeouts.
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We lose AA, Yakwe, Owens, and Ahmed and add Keita, Dixon, Williams, Earlington, and Roberts. That makes us bigger and deeper than last season and fills in the gaping hole at guard.
Keita will almost certainly be a + over Owens, a freshman Roberts will be a wash with a senior AA and will likely defend the center position better, Earlington is a + over Yakwe, and Dixon and Williams are a huge + over Ahmed.
I was one of the most negative posters heading into last season and I'm fine with this roster. I'd be much happier if we could add a true PG and a capable grad big, but I don't see any glaring deficiencies. Dixon will surprise and the trio of Dixon-Williams-Simon will allow Ponds to get some well planned rest around the under eight and/or under 12 timeouts.
I’m not a fan of Owens game too much but there’s no way you can say for sure that Keita will be a huge + over him. In limited playing time at SC Keita didn’t demonstrate the ability to get the ball in the vicinity of the basket and his rebounding numbers were nothing to write home about. Now obviously that’s a small sample size and he’s probably come a long way over the past year but there’s absolutely no way to realistically expect without a doubt that a 3rd year Keita to be a + over a 5th year Owens.
For this upcoming season we should be happy if Keita is equal to Owens but is able to stay out of foul trouble a little better. If we don’t add a grad transfer big and Keita is foul prone then we are going to be in a world of hurt up front again
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I don't pretend to know much about recruiting but do know someone being recruited in 2019 class but not by SJU. He knows and plays a lot with against these local guys, from what I hear the coaches aren't an issue, the families and players actually like the staff but the big problem is the campus, CA, not playing enough at MSG anymore and most importantly just wanting to get away.
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I don't pretend to know much about recruiting but do know someone being recruited in 2019 class but not by SJU. He knows and plays a lot with against these local guys, from what I hear the coaches aren't an issue, the families and players actually like the staff but the big problem is the campus, CA, not playing enough at MSG anymore and most importantly just wanting to get away.
If a kid just wants to get away, that’s fine. It’s not a recent development. As far as MSG, the Grammys got in our way this season. We are not trying to play more of our games at Carnesecca. This ain’t Columbia, but the braintrust isn’t that dumb.
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Im just telling you something that I heard that doesn't mean its right. Goff stated during the that he preferred CA as a home court.
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We lose AA, Yakwe, Owens, and Ahmed and add Keita, Dixon, Williams, Earlington, and Roberts. That makes us bigger and deeper than last season and fills in the gaping hole at guard.
Keita will almost certainly be a + over Owens, a freshman Roberts will be a wash with a senior AA and will likely defend the center position better, Earlington is a + over Yakwe, and Dixon and Williams are a huge + over Ahmed.
I was one of the most negative posters heading into last season and I'm fine with this roster. I'd be much happier if we could add a true PG and a capable grad big, but I don't see any glaring deficiencies. Dixon will surprise and the trio of Dixon-Williams-Simon will allow Ponds to get some well planned rest around the under eight and/or under 12 timeouts.
I’m not a fan of Owens game too much but there’s no way you can say for sure that Keita will be a huge + over him. In limited playing time at SC Keita didn’t demonstrate the ability to get the ball in the vicinity of the basket and his rebounding numbers were nothing to write home about. Now obviously that’s a small sample size and he’s probably come a long way over the past year but there’s absolutely no way to realistically expect without a doubt that a 3rd year Keita to be a + over a 5th year Owens.
For this upcoming season we should be happy if Keita is equal to Owens but is able to stay out of foul trouble a little better. If we don’t add a grad transfer big and Keita is foul prone then we are going to be in a world of hurt up front again
There is no way you can say anything in sports "for sure" -- that premise has to be accepted by anyone who wants to engage in a discussion about a player or team's future.
I liked Owens. He hustles and played hard. He blocked shots well too. But he was awful offensively from setting screens with his slight build to rebounding (because he was never around the rim). He also could not body big men down low all. On a list of things I want from a center, blocking shots is not in the top 5. Keita is massive and stays around the basket. That alone might make him better than Owens if he plays D. I'm sure Ponds will love coming off of his screens. And if he has a back to the basket move to space the floor then it's checkmate. Owens knew better than us where he stood against Keita and he fled for a school in west Texas that lost six of its 8 best players. That should tell us all we need to know.
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Im just telling you something that I heard that doesn't mean its right. Goff stated during the that he preferred CA as a home court.
I hear ya. Goff is just trying to make people happy. He's got no power.
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Im just telling you something that I heard that doesn't mean its right. Goff stated during the that he preferred CA as a home court.
I hear ya. Goff is just trying to make people happy. He's got no power.
He has no power yet.
-He’s only been here for a little over a year. He has a coach that he didn’t hire, who happens to be the schools biggest legend.
-A program that has been at best treading water for 20 years, with facilities that have been outdated even longer.
-MSG can push the school around because SJU needs them more than MSG needs them.
-The AD also has a disenfranchised alumni base that he needs more money from.
He has a lot on his plate and he has to tread SJU water lightly...If Mullin picks up an asst. with experience, and has a successful season next year (making the tournament), and Mullin has a solid incoming class for 19. His job becomes a lot easier.
If 19 collapses his job will be interesting to say the least. I also think SJU President will be up soon, what happens to him can have a great impact as well.
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Do you believe this team has more talent this coming year then last year at this time? Can’t believe you do.
Hard to say. I haven't seen the new players.
Which of these rosters would you take?
RETURNEES
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Trimble
PLUS guys who left
Lovett
Owens
Ahmed
Yakwe
Alibegowitz
OR PLUS new guys
Dixon
Keita
Williams
Brown
Earlington
Diakite
I was not a big Owens fan but no doubt his defection is a big deal. Lovett wasn't on last years roster most of the time and would likely not have returned this year anyway. I liked Ahmed but one one else did. Some people even called him a black hole. KY and AA were essentially worthless, although that had a lot to do with how they were used, or more precisely weren't used.
Depth is better this year on paper. Size is an issue, but it was an issue last year and this year at least there's some bulk: Earlington and Keita weigh 500 pounds between them. Lovett Owens and Ahmed averaged 36 points and 13 rebounds, but that's a little skewed because a lot of what would have been Lovett's shots went to Ahmed and Owens. That's not that much to replace considering they accounted for 60 or 70 minutes a game.
I don't see how this year's roster is worse. It might not be better but I don't see a huge difference and if they add a 5th year big this year's roster is a definite step forward. It's not where you might have hoped Mullin to be after three recruiting cycles but it looks like a team that can be in the upper middle of the BE if things break right - which admittedly at SJ they never do - which is bubble territory. As good old Poison said, everything depends on Ponds anyway. AS he goes next year the team goes.
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Do you believe this team has more talent this coming year then last year at this time? Can’t believe you do.
Hard to say. I haven't seen the new players.
Which of these rosters would you take?
RETURNEES
Ponds
Simon
Clark
Trimble
PLUS guys who left
Lovett
Owens
Ahmed
Yakwe
Alibegowitz
OR PLUS new guys
Dixon
Keita
Williams
Brown
Earlington
Diakite
I was not a big Owens fan but no doubt his defection is a big deal. Lovett wasn't on last years roster most of the time and would likely not have returned this year anyway. I liked Ahmed but one one else did. Some people even called him a black hole. KY and AA were essentially worthless, although that had a lot to do with how they were used, or more precisely weren't used.
Depth is better this year on paper. Size is an issue, but it was an issue last year and this year at least there's some bulk: Earlington and Keita weigh 500 pounds between them. Lovett Owens and Ahmed averaged 36 points and 13 rebounds, but that's a little skewed because a lot of what would have been Lovett's shots went to Ahmed and Owens. That's not that much to replace considering they accounted for 60 or 70 minutes a game.
I don't see how this year's roster is worse. It might not be better but I don't see a huge difference and if they add a 5th year big this year's roster is a definite step forward. It's not where you might have hoped Mullin to be after three recruiting cycles but it looks like a team that can be in the upper middle of the BE if things break right - which admittedly at SJ they never do - which is bubble territory. As good old Poison said, everything depends on Ponds anyway. AS he goes next year the team goes.
Ponds is no guarantee to return. Trimble has been rumored to be thinking about transferring, too. That would leave Clark and Simon as the only returning players. As it stands, even if Ponds does return, this is a green team in year four.
Saying that the 6 guys coming in are better than the guys that left isn’t a realistic argument. For starters, we are losing upperclassmen and replacing them with 4 freshman, one sophomore MAAC guard and a sophomore Center who played 12.5 per game. Is there a true sleeper among the four freshman? That’s what it’s come to. We’re back to the Norm Roberts years where every single recruit was a sleeper. I expect Dixon and Keita to contribute, but they need to do a lot more than just contribute. They need to be players from day 1. Hopefully they don’t quit the team before the season starts.
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Ponds is no guarantee to return. Trimble has been rumored to be thinking about transferring, too. That would leave Clark and Simon as the only returning players. As it stands, even if Ponds does return, this is a green team in year four.
Saying that the 6 guys coming in are better than the guys that left isn’t a realistic argument. For starters, we are losing upperclassmen and replacing them with 4 freshman, one sophomore MAAC guard and a sophomore Center who played 12.5 per game. Is there a true sleeper among the four freshman? That’s what it’s come to. We’re back to the Norm Roberts years where every single recruit was a sleeper. I expect Dixon and Keita to contribute, but they need to do a lot more than just contribute. They need to be players from day 1. Hopefully they don’t quit the team before the season starts.
Your silver lining has a lot of black cloud: Ponds might leave, Trimble might transfer and the other players might quit before the season starts. Which might all happen and if it did it would be bad. OTOH none of it might happen and Trimble might show up in October having had a nine inch growth spurt. There's lots of things that might happen. I'm happy enough dealing with what actually does.
Anyway, I wasn't really making an argument. I was answering a question: Do you believe this team has more talent this coming year then last year at this time? To which I answered I don't know, I haven't seen them play. Having said that, Keita is a consensus top 100 recruit who played on a Final Four team and has been practicing for a year - which year of practice worked out well for Simon and Clark. Dixon was a conference rookie of the year. Williams is a four star with offers from Bob Huggins and Bruce Pearl. Earlington is a 2nd team all state player. No one's happy that they didn't get better players than they got, but on paper I don't see a terrifying drop off in talent.