6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Marco Baldi on January 22, 2018, 04:58:00 PM
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A well placed source tells me there is a great chance Mullin will get an extension to help boost recruiting
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A well placed source tells me there is a great chance Mullin will get an extension to help boost recruiting
This should be a fun thread. And is this the same source that told Marillac that Ponds is the next Curry?
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A well placed source tells me there is a great chance Mullin will get an extension to help boost recruiting
This should be a fun thread. And is this the same source that told Marillac that Ponds is the next Curry?
This is happening. Dilly Dilly
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A well placed source tells me there is a great chance Mullin will get an extension to help boost recruiting
This should be a fun thread. And is this the same source that told Marillac that Ponds is the next Curry?
This is happening
So much for the email Goff campaign. On the bright side everyone can go back to getting pretzels at halftime.
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A well placed source tells me there is a great chance Mullin will get an extension to help boost recruiting
This should be a fun thread. And is this the same source that told Marillac that Ponds is the next Curry?
This is happening
So much for the email Goff campaign. On the bright side everyone can go back to getting pretzels at halftime.
Firenorm.com.
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A well placed source tells me there is a great chance Mullin will get an extension to help boost recruiting
This should be a fun thread. And is this the same source that told Marillac that Ponds is the next Curry?
This is happening
So much for the email Goff campaign. On the bright side everyone can go back to getting pretzels at halftime.
Firenorm.com.
I'll continue to support any coach that brings in top recruits. That at least provides hope. You can always learn to to coach or run a program better with time...or hire someone that can do it for you.
Paul Hewitt went to the national championship game and he couldn't coach a lick.
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His office is get an extension cord
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His office is get an extension cord
Great sentence. Thanks
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I would say less than 1% of all the rumors that are thrown out there come true, but if the 1% is ponds leaving and this one falls in the 99% category, I would be ecstatic.
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I would say less than 1% of all the rumors that are thrown out there come true, but if the 1% is ponds leaving and this one falls in the 99% category, I would be ecstatic.
Would you want to be the AD that fires the face of the program?
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Part of the job and no need to extend with 3 years remaining on Mullins contract. If families are bringing up contract now in 2020 class, then they already know program is in bad shape.
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I would say less than 1% of all the rumors that are thrown out there come true, but if the 1% is ponds leaving and this one falls in the 99% category, I would be ecstatic.
Would you want to be the AD that fires the face of the program?
Xavier
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I would say less than 1% of all the rumors that are thrown out there come true, but if the 1% is ponds leaving and this one falls in the 99% category, I would be ecstatic.
Would you want to be the AD that fires the face of the program?
Xavier
Xavier who?
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
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I think Baldi cut and pasted his thread about Norm getting an extension in one of his final years and just changed the name to Mullin :)
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
No. I don't want Mullin fired. But this dude just claimed it would be a good PR move to extend him which is laughable. I don't know if/when this is going to happen but announcing it in the middle of a 8 game losing streak seems pretty stupid
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
No. I don't want Mullin fired. But this dude just claimed it would be a good PR move to extend him which is laughable. I don't know if/when this is going to happen but announcing it in the middle of a 8 game losing streak seems pretty stupid
As Fun noted I am sure a lot of alumni $ is tied into the fact that 40, 50 and 60 year old guys love Mullin. All you really young guys complaining can't compete with that so no one of importance is going to pay any attention to your complaints. And ST John's does not have the kind of following that is really going to make a stir even if 50% of the fan base is annoyed.
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
No. I don't want Mullin fired. But this dude just claimed it would be a good PR move to extend him which is laughable. I don't know if/when this is going to happen but announcing it in the middle of a 8 game losing streak seems pretty stupid
As Fun noted I am sure a lot of alumni $ is tied into the fact that 40, 50 and 60 year old guys love Mullin. All you really young guys complaining can't compete with that so no one of importance is going to pay any attention to your complaints. And ST John's does not have the kind of following that is really going to make a stir even if 50% of the fan base is annoyed.
Yup. Nobody cares about the millennial bitching
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
No. I don't want Mullin fired. But this dude just claimed it would be a good PR move to extend him which is laughable. I don't know if/when this is going to happen but announcing it in the middle of a 8 game losing streak seems pretty stupid
As Fun noted I am sure a lot of alumni $ is tied into the fact that 40, 50 and 60 year old guys love Mullin. All you really young guys complaining can't compete with that so no one of importance is going to pay any attention to your complaints. And ST John's does not have the kind of following that is really going to make a stir even if 50% of the fan base is annoyed.
Yup. Nobody cares about the millennial bitching
Can you imagine if Lovett played for the Yanks, Mets, Giants, Jets, Knicks or Rangers? Would be a huge story for weeks. Is he really hurt, did he quit, etc, etc. Barely a ripple in the papers. One article.
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
No. I don't want Mullin fired. But this dude just claimed it would be a good PR move to extend him which is laughable. I don't know if/when this is going to happen but announcing it in the middle of a 8 game losing streak seems pretty stupid
As Fun noted I am sure a lot of alumni $ is tied into the fact that 40, 50 and 60 year old guys love Mullin. All you really young guys complaining can't compete with that so no one of importance is going to pay any attention to your complaints. And ST John's does not have the kind of following that is really going to make a stir even if 50% of the fan base is annoyed.
Yes I completely understand that and I've mentioned that a few teams when posters have thought there was a chance he would get fired.
All I'm saying is an announcement of an extension now is bad optics. Usually when a coach gets an extension it's because he's meeting or exceeding expectations. Imagine the jokes from people if this was announced tomorrow. And that may seem unimportant but it does impact recruiting when your program is perceived as a joke.
Again, I don't know if/when it will happen. I just hope they are smart about the timing of it. That's all
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
No. I don't want Mullin fired. But this dude just claimed it would be a good PR move to extend him which is laughable. I don't know if/when this is going to happen but announcing it in the middle of a 8 game losing streak seems pretty stupid
As Fun noted I am sure a lot of alumni $ is tied into the fact that 40, 50 and 60 year old guys love Mullin. All you really young guys complaining can't compete with that so no one of importance is going to pay any attention to your complaints. And ST John's does not have the kind of following that is really going to make a stir even if 50% of the fan base is annoyed.
Yup. Nobody cares about the millennial bitching
Money talks--snowflakes melt.
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None of Baldi's rumors come true immediately. If he is lucky they come true within 2 years.
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
No. I don't want Mullin fired. But this dude just claimed it would be a good PR move to extend him which is laughable. I don't know if/when this is going to happen but announcing it in the middle of a 8 game losing streak seems pretty stupid
As Fun noted I am sure a lot of alumni $ is tied into the fact that 40, 50 and 60 year old guys love Mullin. All you really young guys complaining can't compete with that so no one of importance is going to pay any attention to your complaints. And ST John's does not have the kind of following that is really going to make a stir even if 50% of the fan base is annoyed.
Yes I completely understand that and I've mentioned that a few teams when posters have thought there was a chance he would get fired.
All I'm saying is an announcement of an extension now is bad optics. Usually when a coach gets an extension it's because he's meeting or exceeding expectations. Imagine the jokes from people if this was announced tomorrow. And that may seem unimportant but it does impact recruiting when your program is perceived as a joke.
Again, I don't know if/when it will happen. I just hope they are smart about the timing of it. That's all
I love ST John's basketball. Before I discovered girls, ST John's and the Mets were my life. So please do not think I am bashing it because I get some sort of enjoyment or because I am a Baldi, but who is going to complain? And to who would they complain? Lovett thing got one article and other day there wasn't even a mention that they were playing in the Post. Thankfully for Mullin this is a reality. Again can you imagine the papers and WFAN if any other NY sports team was in the middle of an 0-8?
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
No. I don't want Mullin fired. But this dude just claimed it would be a good PR move to extend him which is laughable. I don't know if/when this is going to happen but announcing it in the middle of a 8 game losing streak seems pretty stupid
As Fun noted I am sure a lot of alumni $ is tied into the fact that 40, 50 and 60 year old guys love Mullin. All you really young guys complaining can't compete with that so no one of importance is going to pay any attention to your complaints. And ST John's does not have the kind of following that is really going to make a stir even if 50% of the fan base is annoyed.
Yes I completely understand that and I've mentioned that a few teams when posters have thought there was a chance he would get fired.
All I'm saying is an announcement of an extension now is bad optics. Usually when a coach gets an extension it's because he's meeting or exceeding expectations. Imagine the jokes from people if this was announced tomorrow. And that may seem unimportant but it does impact recruiting when your program is perceived as a joke.
Again, I don't know if/when it will happen. I just hope they are smart about the timing of it. That's all
I love ST John's basketball. Before I discovered girls, ST John's and the Mets were my life. So please do not think I am bashing it because I get some sort of enjoyment or because I am a Baldi, but who is going to complain? And to who would they complain? Lovett thing got one article and other day there wasn't even a mention that they were playing in the Post. Thankfully for Mullin this is a reality. Again can you imagine the papers and WFAN if any other NY sports team was in the middle of an 0-8?
It's not about the fanbase complaining as much as it is about the perception of the program from outside people. Let's say SJU sends out a press release tomorrow that Mullin is getting an extension and Jeff Goodman or Seth Davis tweets some snarky remark about how low our standards are that we are rewarding a coach for being 0-8. That might not mean anything to the fans that follow this program on a daily basis but it plants a seed in people that don't follow us all that closely that this program is a joke
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Rutgers just extended Pikell's contract about a week ago.
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
No. I don't want Mullin fired. But this dude just claimed it would be a good PR move to extend him which is laughable. I don't know if/when this is going to happen but announcing it in the middle of a 8 game losing streak seems pretty stupid
As Fun noted I am sure a lot of alumni $ is tied into the fact that 40, 50 and 60 year old guys love Mullin. All you really young guys complaining can't compete with that so no one of importance is going to pay any attention to your complaints. And ST John's does not have the kind of following that is really going to make a stir even if 50% of the fan base is annoyed.
Yup. Nobody cares about the millennial bitching
Can you imagine if Lovett played for the Yanks, Mets, Giants, Jets, Knicks or Rangers? Would be a huge story for weeks. Is he really hurt, did he quit, etc, etc. Barely a ripple in the papers. One article.
Was thinking something similar about this the other day. Imagine if Lovett played for a big program like Kansas or Kentucky? Kid would be getting killed nationally. I'm pretty sure most cbb analysts don't even know the whole story with us since SJU is essentially irrelevant nationally.
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
No. I don't want Mullin fired. But this dude just claimed it would be a good PR move to extend him which is laughable. I don't know if/when this is going to happen but announcing it in the middle of a 8 game losing streak seems pretty stupid
As Fun noted I am sure a lot of alumni $ is tied into the fact that 40, 50 and 60 year old guys love Mullin. All you really young guys complaining can't compete with that so no one of importance is going to pay any attention to your complaints. And ST John's does not have the kind of following that is really going to make a stir even if 50% of the fan base is annoyed.
Yup. Nobody cares about the millennial bitching
Can you imagine if Lovett played for the Yanks, Mets, Giants, Jets, Knicks or Rangers? Would be a huge story for weeks. Is he really hurt, did he quit, etc, etc. Barely a ripple in the papers. One article.
Was thinking something similar about this the other day. Imagine if Lovett played for a big program like Kansas or Kentucky? Kid would be getting killed nationally. I'm pretty sure most cbb analysts don't even know the whole story with us since SJU is essentially irrelevant nationally.
Blame Norm. I am serious. Prior to him dragging us down to irrelevance for so long, down periods like we have been in would never be tolerated. Just think all of you Mullin haters, if Mullin was the coach with this record pre-Norm he absolutely would be fired after this year. But because Norm set the bar so low, guys like me are willing to give him more time simply because he is who he is. Same with Lavin. He really only had modest success but I was willing to give him an extension and some like Tony want to build a statue of him.
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A well placed source tells me there is a great chance Mullin will get an extension to help boost recruiting
Did you post this, just to 'switch it up'... so you can continue post negatively?
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A well placed source tells me there is a great chance Mullin will get an extension to help boost recruiting
Did you post this, just to 'switch it up'... so you can continue post negatively?
If I said no, you would probably post some, long, boring thesis explaining how I'm not a fan right?
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
How would you get to Lawrence, KS?? Take I-70???
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
No. I don't want Mullin fired. But this dude just claimed it would be a good PR move to extend him which is laughable. I don't know if/when this is going to happen but announcing it in the middle of a 8 game losing streak seems pretty stupid
As Fun noted I am sure a lot of alumni $ is tied into the fact that 40, 50 and 60 year old guys love Mullin. All you really young guys complaining can't compete with that so no one of importance is going to pay any attention to your complaints. And ST John's does not have the kind of following that is really going to make a stir even if 50% of the fan base is annoyed.
Yup. Nobody cares about the millennial bitching
Can you imagine if Lovett played for the Yanks, Mets, Giants, Jets, Knicks or Rangers? Would be a huge story for weeks. Is he really hurt, did he quit, etc, etc. Barely a ripple in the papers. One article.
Call me crazy but maybe that’s because LoVett is an amateur.
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Is Lovett currently still with the team?
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Baldi dropping a bomb on the nation, nice scoop! Considering Chris isn't going anywhere, this is a good PR move at this juncture.
Yes nothing says great public relations like adding years to a coach's contract after 8 straight losses
And firing the face of the program is good?
No. I don't want Mullin fired. But this dude just claimed it would be a good PR move to extend him which is laughable. I don't know if/when this is going to happen but announcing it in the middle of a 8 game losing streak seems pretty stupid
As Fun noted I am sure a lot of alumni $ is tied into the fact that 40, 50 and 60 year old guys love Mullin. All you really young guys complaining can't compete with that so no one of importance is going to pay any attention to your complaints. And ST John's does not have the kind of following that is really going to make a stir even if 50% of the fan base is annoyed.
Yup. Nobody cares about the millennial bitching
Can you imagine if Lovett played for the Yanks, Mets, Giants, Jets, Knicks or Rangers? Would be a huge story for weeks. Is he really hurt, did he quit, etc, etc. Barely a ripple in the papers. One article.
if we played for the mets there wouldn't be any question he was hurt
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
Honestly this board is entertaining as fack!!!!
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
When you jump in the car, drive it into the Hudson River. What "uptick" was Norm on?
Norm's conference record by year:
2004-5: 3-13 (inherited Showtime, Hamilton, Stanley)
2005-6: 5-11
2006-7: 7-9 (Showtime and Hamilton senior year)
2007-8: 5-13
2008-9: 6-12
2009-10: 6-12 (10 juniors and Mase. Jr.'s 5th year)
Please show me exactly where Norm progressed? He couldn't win with 10 juniors and his highest recruit as a 5th year senior. He wasn't even smart enough to identify Hardy and Brownlee as starters let alone the stats that they were.
And for sh*ts and giggles here is Norm's Queens College conference record:
1991-92: 2-6
1992-93: 7-11
1993-94: 2-20
1994-95: 4-18
Overall conference record of 47-135 (34%) His successor had them in the national tournament a few years after he cleaned up Norm's mess.
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
Just threw up in my mouth
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
When you jump in the car, drive it into the Hudson River. What "uptick" was Norm on?
Norm's conference record by year:
2004-5: 3-13 (inherited Showtime, Hamilton, Stanley)
2005-6: 5-11
2006-7: 7-9 (Showtime and Hamilton senior year)
2007-8: 5-13
2008-9: 6-12
2009-10: 6-12 (10 juniors and Mase. Jr.'s 5th year)
Please show me exactly where Norm progressed? He couldn't win with 10 juniors and his highest recruit as a 5th year senior. He wasn't even smart enough to identify Hardy and Brownlee as starters let alone the stats that they were.
And for sh*ts and giggles here is Norm's Queens College conference record:
1991-92: 2-6
1992-93: 7-11
1993-94: 2-20
1994-95: 4-18
Overall conference record of 47-135 (34%) His successor had them in the national tournament a few years after he cleaned up Norm's mess.
Even if his intent was serious, I don't think your response was necessary considering the ridiculousness of this entire thread....
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
I'll call the police on you and have you arrested for DWI before you left new york
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
When you jump in the car, drive it into the Hudson River. What "uptick" was Norm on?
Norm's conference record by year:
2004-5: 3-13 (inherited Showtime, Hamilton, Stanley)
2005-6: 5-11
2006-7: 7-9 (Showtime and Hamilton senior year)
2007-8: 5-13
2008-9: 6-12
2009-10: 6-12 (10 juniors and Mase. Jr.'s 5th year)
Please show me exactly where Norm progressed? He couldn't win with 10 juniors and his highest recruit as a 5th year senior. He wasn't even smart enough to identify Hardy and Brownlee as starters let alone the stats that they were.
And for sh*ts and giggles here is Norm's Queens College conference record:
1991-92: 2-6
1992-93: 7-11
1993-94: 2-20
1994-95: 4-18
Overall conference record of 47-135 (34%) His successor had them in the national tournament a few years after he cleaned up Norm's mess.
Even if his intent was serious, I don't think your response was necessary considering the ridiculousness of this entire thread....
LMAO. This place as gone batshit crazy
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
I agree with this. Norm deserved 2010-11 with his seniors. The program was on the uptick, the 2009-10 NIT team the year prior w Mase as a senior was one of the more fun years in recent history. Blowing out UConn, watching Dwight Hardy Malik Booth outplay Kemba in the Garden was the best. I often look at this year and wonder what could've been, particularly the Marquette 2 point loss in the BET. Norm's last game was a brutal 2pt loss in Memphis to end the season, as painful a loss there is, it was a unfortunate way to go out bc that team finally realized their potential w Lavs.
That team really played for Norm and one another-
The embattled Roberts asked his team to play with pride the way it did in coming back from a 20-point deficit to beat DePaul in triple overtime on Friday. And he pulled out all the stops, at one point reinserting Kennedy for three minutes in the first half with three fouls because, he said, "it's all on the line."
Burrell said the players have discussed Roberts' precarious situation and they left practice Monday with the feeling that "we have to do this for him (because) we want him here beyond this season and we know the only way for that to happen is for us to win these games."
And the Johnnies played like it, getting to almost every loose ball and shooting 54% from 3-point range and 50% for the game. As Boothe said, "we played extra hard tonight. There was second- and third- and fourth-effort plays, and those are what ultimately won the game for us."
How his players feel about him - and how they performed yesterday - made Roberts an especially happy man. "That's the ultimate for any coach, that players want to play for you, that they want to give everything they can," he said. "Every coach wants that. My guys give me that."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-routs-uconn-73-51-red-storm-advance-face-no-5-marquette-big-east-tournament-article-1.174325
https://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/st-john-s-comeback-denied-by-marquette-in-big-east-tournament-1.1804476
https://nypost.com/2010/03/15/roberts-st-johns-get-nit-bid-matchup-with-memphis/
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
On the uptick? Are you kidding?
He was fired because he had zero recruits coming in. Not much of an uptick
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Part of the job and no need to extend with 3 years remaining on Mullins contract. If families are bringing up contract now in 2020 class, then they already know program is in bad shape.
Great recruiting amo "I just got a contract extension for myself now how would you like to play for an 0-18 BE Conference team"?
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Norm is best being next to self on bench
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
Thanks man. Good one.
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Norm is best being next to self on bench
Yes and he is at his best when playing with self.
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
When you jump in the car, drive it into the Hudson River. What "uptick" was Norm on?
Norm's conference record by year:
2004-5: 3-13 (inherited Showtime, Hamilton, Stanley)
2005-6: 5-11
2006-7: 7-9 (Showtime and Hamilton senior year)
2007-8: 5-13
2008-9: 6-12
2009-10: 6-12 (10 juniors and Mase. Jr.'s 5th year)
Please show me exactly where Norm progressed? He couldn't win with 10 juniors and his highest recruit as a 5th year senior. He wasn't even smart enough to identify Hardy and Brownlee as starters let alone the stats that they were.
And for sh*ts and giggles here is Norm's Queens College conference record:
1991-92: 2-6
1992-93: 7-11
1993-94: 2-20
1994-95: 4-18
Overall conference record of 47-135 (34%) His successor had them in the national tournament a few years after he cleaned up Norm's mess.
Even if his intent was serious, I don't think your response was necessary considering the ridiculousness of this entire thread....
LMAO. This place as gone batshit crazy
It's pure comedy sometimes...
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Part of the job and no need to extend with 3 years remaining on Mullins contract. If families are bringing up contract now in 2020 class, then they already know program is in bad shape.
Great recruiting amo "I just got a contract extension for myself now how would you like to play for an 0-18 BE Conference team"?
;D
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Baldi starts a thread by saying there is a great chance Mullin gets an extension (presumably meaning in the not too distant future) which means there is also a chance he doesn't (meaning in the not too distant future). Within 5 hours there are 3 pages of posts like it is a fait accompli. This thread makes Baldi the Lavar Ball of JJ.
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I would get in my car right now and go pick Norm up if he was willing to come back and pick this program back up where he left off. Things were on the uptick with Norm when the idiot admin at St John's fired him. He was the only coach where we watched the program grow and prosper under them and more importantly did things the right way
I agree with this. Norm deserved 2010-11 with his seniors. The program was on the uptick, the 2009-10 NIT team the year prior w Mase as a senior was one of the more fun years in recent history. Blowing out UConn, watching Dwight Hardy Malik Booth outplay Kemba in the Garden was the best. I often look at this year and wonder what could've been, particularly the Marquette 2 point loss in the BET. Norm's last game was a brutal 2pt loss in Memphis to end the season, as painful a loss there is, it was a unfortunate way to go out bc that team finally realized their potential w Lavs.
That team really played for Norm and one another-
The embattled Roberts asked his team to play with pride the way it did in coming back from a 20-point deficit to beat DePaul in triple overtime on Friday. And he pulled out all the stops, at one point reinserting Kennedy for three minutes in the first half with three fouls because, he said, "it's all on the line."
Burrell said the players have discussed Roberts' precarious situation and they left practice Monday with the feeling that "we have to do this for him (because) we want him here beyond this season and we know the only way for that to happen is for us to win these games."
And the Johnnies played like it, getting to almost every loose ball and shooting 54% from 3-point range and 50% for the game. As Boothe said, "we played extra hard tonight. There was second- and third- and fourth-effort plays, and those are what ultimately won the game for us."
How his players feel about him - and how they performed yesterday - made Roberts an especially happy man. "That's the ultimate for any coach, that players want to play for you, that they want to give everything they can," he said. "Every coach wants that. My guys give me that."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-routs-uconn-73-51-red-storm-advance-face-no-5-marquette-big-east-tournament-article-1.174325
https://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/st-john-s-comeback-denied-by-marquette-in-big-east-tournament-1.1804476
https://nypost.com/2010/03/15/roberts-st-johns-get-nit-bid-matchup-with-memphis/
Norm found a way to make the players feel guilty when his last two seasons were entirely his fault. I don’t recall him once owning up to making terrible choices with starting line ups, rotations and in game strategy. The players and the fans deserved better than Norm Roberts.
Our situation now isn’t much different. Guys play really hard, but they don’t play smart.
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The negative recruiting that has happened (Luther Muhammad is a prime example) has nothing to do with years left on his contract. His contract is not an issue and never has been. Mind you most recruits have no idea how much time is left on his contract and furthermore this is not the Pros, college contracts are not guaranteed for the out years, it's all about the buyout.
Bottom line is the only thing that will change the perception of this coach and this program especially to recruits is to simply start winning and generating buzz with the program. You can give him a million year extension and nothing changes unless he starts demonstrating he can win and quickly.
Kevin Ollie signed an extension last year and none of that has stopped the slide UCONN seems to be in or the loud calls that have been growing for his job...
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All I know is the program is so crappy that some people are even pining for Norm and Geno. Wish they would stop saying their names though. I think there is an old Urban Legend that if you say Norm and Geno's name three times they will appear and coach and play crappy / boring basketball until your eyes bleed right out of your head.
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The negative recruiting that has happened (Luther Muhammad is a prime example) has nothing to do with years left on his contract. His contract is not an issue and never has been. Mind you most recruits have no idea how much time is left on his contract and furthermore this is not the Pros, college contracts are not guaranteed for the out years, it's all about the buyout.
Bottom line is the only thing that will change the perception of this coach and this program especially to recruits is to simply start winning and generating buzz with the program. You can give him a million year extension and nothing changes unless he starts demonstrating he can win and quickly.
Kevin Ollie signed an extension last year and none of that has stopped the slide UCONN seems to be in or the loud calls that have been growing for his job...
Yup, winning is only thing that moves the needle to change how SJU is perceived.
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Baldi starts a thread by saying there is a great chance Mullin gets an extension (presumably meaning in the not too distant future) which means there is also a chance he doesn't (meaning in the not too distant future). Within 5 hours there are 3 pages of posts like it is a fait accompli. This thread makes Baldi the Lavar Ball of JJ.
Baldi thrives in chaos. :)
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Baldi starts a thread by saying there is a great chance Mullin gets an extension (presumably meaning in the not too distant future) which means there is also a chance he doesn't (meaning in the not too distant future). Within 5 hours there are 3 pages of posts like it is a fait accompli. This thread makes Baldi the Lavar Ball of JJ.
Baldi thrives in chaos. :)
that's why you can't believe anything he posts.
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This thread is gold. Per Baldi's folly to some of the responses.
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this is classic Baldi, start the war and bow out of the ring and watch the carnage from afar lol
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this is classic Baldi, start the war and bow out of the ring and watch the carnage from afar lol
I thought Baldi was going soft once he got married a few years ago and started spending his time at 5 star vacation resorts and A list events. Clearly this year has brought back the old Baldi
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this is classic Baldi, start the war and bow out of the ring and watch the carnage from afar lol
The AD was quoted today and he said that he fully supports Mullin. They’ve made it clear that they are not going to blame Mullin for Mullin’s first three years. I have no knowledge of an extension, but if older donors are willing to accept that our short-handed roster is somehow not his fault, maybe they’ll also believe that despite being 0-8 with upperclassmen, Mullin is actually a basketball savant.
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this is classic Baldi, start the war and bow out of the ring and watch the carnage from afar lol
I thought Baldi was going soft once he got married a few years ago and started spending his time at 5 star vacation resorts and A list events. Clearly this year has brought back the old Baldi
Hope that doesn't mean there is trouble in Paradise for his sake.
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I would say less than 1% of all the rumors that are thrown out there come true, but if the 1% is ponds leaving and this one falls in the 99% category, I would be ecstatic.
Would you want to be the AD that fires the face of the program?
I don't care if you're Riley, Daily, Popavich or whoever.
Your job as coach ids to make your team better every year, if no ncaa appearance after year 6, then it's time to go bye bye.
Mullin was a great player here, ty for those fun times.
He took the job as head coach, he knows the job description as head coach is to get your team better every year and succeed.
I think 6 years is enough time to succeed.
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If they extend Mullin I'm definitely not renewing season tickets. I can't even give my tickets away nowadays.
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I would say less than 1% of all the rumors that are thrown out there come true, but if the 1% is ponds leaving and this one falls in the 99% category, I would be ecstatic.
Would you want to be the AD that fires the face of the program?
I don't care if you're Riley, Daily, Popavich or whoever.
Your job as coach ids to make your team better every year, if no ncaa appearance after year 6, then it's time to go bye bye.
Mullin was a great player here, ty for those fun times.
He took the job as head coach, he knows the job description as head coach is to get your team better every year and succeed.
I think 6 years is enough time to succeed.
Is 6 years really enough for us to be sure? Why not give him an even 10 years just to be sure?
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I was done with Norm after we got our heads stomped in by Maryland.
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I was done with Norm after we got our heads stomped in by Maryland.
It was clear that Norm had no clue how to do anything basketball related after year two. First year he deserved a pass, just like Mullin got. Still, apples to apples, Norm actually has had more success than Mullin. Shocking that it’s not even close, but by all means let’s fire someone on the staff that no one has ever heard of.
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I would say less than 1% of all the rumors that are thrown out there come true, but if the 1% is ponds leaving and this one falls in the 99% category, I would be ecstatic.
Would you want to be the AD that fires the face of the program?
I don't care if you're Riley, Daily, Popavich or whoever.
Your job as coach ids to make your team better every year, if no ncaa appearance after year 6, then it's time to go bye bye.
Mullin was a great player here, ty for those fun times.
He took the job as head coach, he knows the job description as head coach is to get your team better every year and succeed.
I think 6 years is enough time to succeed.
Is 6 years really enough for us to be sure? Why not give him an even 10 years just to be sure?
He has a 6year contract, correct?
He isn't getting fired before his contract expires.
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I love how at sju it takes 6 years to figure out if a coach is the right hire.
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Blame Norm. I am serious. Prior to him dragging us down to irrelevance for so long, down periods like we have been in would never be tolerated. .
If it was up to you history books would teach children that Norm assassinated Archduke Ferdinand, that the iceberg the Titanic struck was called Geno, that in 79AD Mount Roberts erupted, killing the citizens of Pompeii. And the Bible would have recorded how the apostle Norm betrayed the baby Jesus for 30 silver coins.
Between 1993 and 1997 SJU was 50-61. That was prior to Norm dragging us down to irrelevance. I think if that period hadn't happened down periods like the Roberts era would never have been tolerated. So really this is all Lou's fault, he picked Mahoney.
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despite being 0-8 with upperclassmen
Yes, a roster full of upperclassmen. Six of 15 players - Ahmed, Alibagowitz, Owens, Clark, Yakwe and someone called Jay Camus - are upperclassmen. They have combined experience within the program of 10 years. Four of those years belong to Alibegowitz, a Lavin recruit, who may perhaps be the worst four year scholarship player in the history of college basketball, and that's despite him being the best shooter anyone's seen since Jason Kapono. Of the upperclassmen one, Yakwe, played for Mullin as a freshman.
Question: if things are as bad as you say they are why do you have to lie to make things worse than they seem?
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We Norm haters are like the guys in the red hats from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Sworn protectors of Norm's horrible reputation.
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I was done with Norm after we got our heads stomped in by Maryland.
Was late getting out of Keen's steakhouse. Missed like first 5 mins. Got a beer sat down looked up and we were losing 40-5 or something.
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Baldi starts a thread by saying there is a great chance Mullin gets an extension (presumably meaning in the not too distant future) which means there is also a chance he doesn't (meaning in the not too distant future). Within 5 hours there are 3 pages of posts like it is a fait accompli. This thread makes Baldi the Lavar Ball of JJ.
Baldi thrives in chaos. :)
that's why you can't believe anything he posts.
Truth usually does hurt
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Baldi starts a thread by saying there is a great chance Mullin gets an extension (presumably meaning in the not too distant future) which means there is also a chance he doesn't (meaning in the not too distant future). Within 5 hours there are 3 pages of posts like it is a fait accompli. This thread makes Baldi the Lavar Ball of JJ.
Baldi thrives in chaos. :)
that's why you can't believe anything he posts.
Truth usually does hurt
Old BEB guys remember this oldie but goody from Bluto?
"Kid is coming"
Lance, Syl, I think the Jones' that went to West Virginia
The truth really did hurt since they never came.
Give Baldi benefit of the doubt. Maybe Norm was his source back in the day. The problem was Norm didn't know anything.
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Baldi starts a thread by saying there is a great chance Mullin gets an extension (presumably meaning in the not too distant future) which means there is also a chance he doesn't (meaning in the not too distant future). Within 5 hours there are 3 pages of posts like it is a fait accompli. This thread makes Baldi the Lavar Ball of JJ.
Baldi thrives in chaos. :)
that's why you can't believe anything he posts.
Truth usually does hurt
Old BEB guys remember this oldie but goody from Bluto?
"Kid is coming"
Lance, Syl, I think the Jones' that went to West Virginia
The truth really did hurt since they never came.
Give Baldi benefit of the doubt. Maybe Norm was his source back in the day. The problem was Norm didn't know anything.
Both problem children, Norm knew this. Still Norm and his staff were able to bring in NCAA tournament talent
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Baldi starts a thread by saying there is a great chance Mullin gets an extension (presumably meaning in the not too distant future) which means there is also a chance he doesn't (meaning in the not too distant future). Within 5 hours there are 3 pages of posts like it is a fait accompli. This thread makes Baldi the Lavar Ball of JJ.
Baldi thrives in chaos. :)
that's why you can't believe anything he posts.
Truth usually does hurt
Old BEB guys remember this oldie but goody from Bluto?
"Kid is coming"
Lance, Syl, I think the Jones' that went to West Virginia
The truth really did hurt since they never came.
Give Baldi benefit of the doubt. Maybe Norm was his source back in the day. The problem was Norm didn't know anything.
Both problem children, Norm knew this. Still Norm and his staff were able to bring in NCAA tournament talent
Oh was Norm's decision not to take those guys. That makes sense.
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Baldi starts a thread by saying there is a great chance Mullin gets an extension (presumably meaning in the not too distant future) which means there is also a chance he doesn't (meaning in the not too distant future). Within 5 hours there are 3 pages of posts like it is a fait accompli. This thread makes Baldi the Lavar Ball of JJ.
Baldi thrives in chaos. :)
that's why you can't believe anything he posts.
Truth usually does hurt
Old BEB guys remember this oldie but goody from Bluto?
"Kid is coming"
Lance, Syl, I think the Jones' that went to West Virginia
The truth really did hurt since they never came.
Give Baldi benefit of the doubt. Maybe Norm was his source back in the day. The problem was Norm didn't know anything.
Both problem children, Norm knew this. Still Norm and his staff were able to bring in NCAA tournament talent
Oh was Norm's decision not to take those guys. That makes sense.
No. those guys knew what St Johns was offering. Or wasn't.
Norm put together a nice mid major team that made the tournament as seniors.
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Baldi starts a thread by saying there is a great chance Mullin gets an extension (presumably meaning in the not too distant future) which means there is also a chance he doesn't (meaning in the not too distant future). Within 5 hours there are 3 pages of posts like it is a fait accompli. This thread makes Baldi the Lavar Ball of JJ.
Baldi thrives in chaos. :)
that's why you can't believe anything he posts.
Truth usually does hurt
Old BEB guys remember this oldie but goody from Bluto?
"Kid is coming"
Lance, Syl, I think the Jones' that went to West Virginia
The truth really did hurt since they never came.
Give Baldi benefit of the doubt. Maybe Norm was his source back in the day. The problem was Norm didn't know anything.
Both problem children, Norm knew this. Still Norm and his staff were able to bring in NCAA tournament talent
Oh was Norm's decision not to take those guys. That makes sense.
No. those guys knew what St Johns was offering. Or wasn't.
Norm put together a nice mid major team that made the tournament as seniors.
The best two players on that team were Norm's 6th and 7th men the year before and would have continued as such.
Norm's teams were very boring and I think we were last in the BE in scoring every year he coached.
He made Geno the focal point of his offense. Geno was just not bad, he was boring and just made the game of basketball hard to watch.
Finally, yes we are 0-8 but other than 2nd half of Prov and Depaul game we are in every game. Some might say big deal and I understand that thinking. But under Norm I think there were like 10 -15 games a year where we just got our doors blown off. Like 25 + point losses.
Norm is the reason that I could never hate Jarvis or Lavin.
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Baldi starts a thread by saying there is a great chance Mullin gets an extension (presumably meaning in the not too distant future) which means there is also a chance he doesn't (meaning in the not too distant future). Within 5 hours there are 3 pages of posts like it is a fait accompli. This thread makes Baldi the Lavar Ball of JJ.
Baldi thrives in chaos. :)
that's why you can't believe anything he posts.
Truth usually does hurt
Old BEB guys remember this oldie but goody from Bluto?
"Kid is coming"
Lance, Syl, I think the Jones' that went to West Virginia
The truth really did hurt since they never came.
Give Baldi benefit of the doubt. Maybe Norm was his source back in the day. The problem was Norm didn't know anything.
Both problem children, Norm knew this. Still Norm and his staff were able to bring in NCAA tournament talent
Oh was Norm's decision not to take those guys. That makes sense.
No. those guys knew what St Johns was offering. Or wasn't.
Norm didn't have no automobiles???
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Baldi starts a thread by saying there is a great chance Mullin gets an extension (presumably meaning in the not too distant future) which means there is also a chance he doesn't (meaning in the not too distant future). Within 5 hours there are 3 pages of posts like it is a fait accompli. This thread makes Baldi the Lavar Ball of JJ.
Baldi thrives in chaos. :)
that's why you can't believe anything he posts.
Truth usually does hurt
Old BEB guys remember this oldie but goody from Bluto?
"Kid is coming"
Lance, Syl, I think the Jones' that went to West Virginia
The truth really did hurt since they never came.
Give Baldi benefit of the doubt. Maybe Norm was his source back in the day. The problem was Norm didn't know anything.
Both problem children, Norm knew this. Still Norm and his staff were able to bring in NCAA tournament talent
Oh was Norm's decision not to take those guys. That makes sense.
No. those guys knew what St Johns was offering. Or wasn't.
Norm didn't have no automobiles???
Norm was a "GOOD GUY". He didn't believe in cars. Tried to give them bicycles.
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this is classic Baldi, start the war and bow out of the ring and watch the carnage from afar lol
I thought Baldi was going soft once he got married a few years ago and started spending his time at 5 star vacation resorts and A list events. Clearly this year has brought back the old Baldi
You say that like that's a good thing.
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Not trying to start a shit storm about the debate of whether lavin shouldve been canned but I find it comical that this rumor centers around Mullin needing an extension to help in recruiting while that wasn't a consideration for his predecessor. There were a lot of whispers at the time that recruits like briscoe were concerned about lavin being a lame duck. I certainly do believe that recruits and coaches recruiting against sju would view a lack of long term contract status negatively.
In no way does Mullin deserve an extension but if we're really tying our horse to that wagon and it'll assist him in recruiting I would understand why he would get one.
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I think people do not need to make things up in recruiting against ST John's. I do not think these people are worried about ST John's at all.
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I think people do not need to make things up in recruiting against ST John's. I do not think these people are worried about ST John's at all.
Beware the sleeping giant.