6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: JohnnyJungle on November 16, 2008, 05:43:22 PM
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Now this has no truth or rumor to it. More or less just a hypothetical question posed by myself. Since Phil Wait has been declared a sophomore due to his age and really isn't ready to contribute this season, why not red shirt him? Could we survive on a rotation of Burrell, Evans, Coker with a mix of TJ and RT? I'm not sure what the NCAA ruling would be on the matter either since he went to a prep school if he would have all 4 years of eligibility if he redshirted anyways much like a case of Rob Thomas last year, use it or lose it. If we could redshirt him and he could have 4 years of eligibility ahead of him would you?
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yes. i wouldn't mind that.
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Not a bad idea.
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he only has 3 years of eligibility. Not a bad idea if he's not ready to contribute plus it would spread out the scholarship distribution.
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Now this has no truth or rumor to it. More or less just a hypothetical question posed by myself. Since Phil Wait has been declared a sophomore due to his age and really isn't ready to contribute this season, why not red shirt him? Could we survive on a rotation of Burrell, Evans, Coker with a mix of TJ and RT? I'm not sure what the NCAA ruling would be on the matter either since he went to a prep school if he would have all 4 years of eligibility if he redshirted anyways much like a case of Rob Thomas last year, use it or lose it. If we could redshirt him and he could have 4 years of eligibility ahead of him would you?
Dave, if the NCAA's ruling means that he has 4 years to play 3 then yes it's worth doing. The issue is not so much the program's ability to survive with the current roster. That is what it is and the success of this season will not be changed significantly by Phil Wait's progress. He is however a big guy with skills and it might be worth it to take their time getting his body ready so he can contribute next year. If he can begin the '09-10 season as a "redshirt soph" and not a "true junior" I say they should do it.
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How old is he? I believe he can no longer compete when he turns 25.
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How old is he? I believe he can no longer compete when he turns 25.
Didn't Marc Jackson(not St. John's but the C who played for the Warriors/Sixers) play college ball when he was 26-28?
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How old is he? I believe he can no longer compete when he turns 25.
Didn't Marc Jackson(not St. John's but the C who played for the Warriors/Sixers) play college ball when he was 26-28?
TJ Ford?
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TJ Ford isn't even 26 yet. lol
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How old is he? I believe he can no longer compete when he turns 25.
Didn't Marc Jackson(not St. John's but the C who played for the Warriors/Sixers) play college ball when he was 26-28?
Exceptions are given for military experience (George Mason had a 30 year old that was in the millitary) and for religious missons, etc. Football is the only sport that I am aware of that doesn't have an age limit in the NCAA--hence the infamous Chris Weinke.
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Jeremy Hazzell will be 42 years old next year
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Didn't Marc Jackson(not St. John's but the C who played for the Warriors/Sixers) play college ball when he was 26-28?
Didn't Greg Oden play college ball with the Buckeyes when he was like 26-27? <just kidding>
Damm, that guy looked like an old man before his 21st birthday!
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How old is he? I believe he can no longer compete when he turns 25.
Anthony Glover must have just made it.
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How old is he? I believe he can no longer compete when he turns 25.
Anthony Glover must have just made it.
Glover has 25 when he left SJU..
Does anyone know how old Darryl Hill was.. he was definitely close..
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TJ Ford isn't even 26 yet. lol
not tj ford. my mistake, i meant the point guard on kentucky in the mid 90s. think he was coaching umass.
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TJ Ford isn't even 26 yet. lol
not tj ford. my mistake, i meant the point guard on kentucky in the mid 90s. think he was coaching umass.
Travis Ford, you mean. Now coach of Ok State.
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TJ Ford isn't even 26 yet. lol
not tj ford. my mistake, i meant the point guard on kentucky in the mid 90s. think he was coaching umass.
Travis Ford, you mean. Now coach of Ok State.
yea, thanks
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Jeremy Hazzell will be 42 years old next year
Hazell is a 22 year old soph--that's not too bad.
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Jeremy Hazzell will be 42 years old next year
Hazell is a 22 year old soph--that's not too bad.
I know for a fact he missed a practice last year to go to his 20 year high school reunion!
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Yvonne Joseph was the starting center on some really good Georgia Tech teams with John Salley, Mark Price, Bruce Dalrymple, Duane Ferrell and Tom Hammonds. He was 28 when he graduated. I believe the Nets drafted him in the second round. How old was Andrew Gaze when he was at Seton Hall?
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Jeremy Hazzell will be 42 years old next year
Hazell is a 22 year old soph--that's not too bad.
in reality, its horrendous... at a minimum he should be senior @ 22... just because kids in college basketball today a re a little older doesn't make it right...
some kids, like Mike Cavataio for example, are at a major disadvantage because they are the right age for a Frosh and are competeing against other "Freshman" who are 2 - 3 years older than he is...
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d j kennedy is only 18 right now i believe. thats for years difference. i know we have some of those players to
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Jeremy Hazzell will be 42 years old next year
Hazell is a 22 year old soph--that's not too bad.
in reality, its horrendous... at a minimum he should be senior @ 22... just because kids in college basketball today a re a little older doesn't make it right...
some kids, like Mike Cavataio for example, are at a major disadvantage because they are the right age for a Frosh and are competeing against other "Freshman" who are 2 - 3 years older than he is...
How does this happen? Are their parents waiting until they are 7 or 8 to enroll them in kindergarten? Are they getting left back two and three times? And how are the legitimately taking college courses if they did get left back that many times? Or are they being held back strictly for basketball purposes in the majority of the cases?
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Maybe these kids didn't have the educational or family support to enter college on time. Some kids develop slower than others. I agree people are trying to gain a competitive advantage by holding their children back a year and sometimes 2 but if this is these kids' ticket to higher education than so be it and I'm all for it. In the end only a small percentage of division 1 basketball players wind up graduating to go onto play professional ball and if they do it isn't for too long.
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The whole Prep school thing seems shady to me. Im sure there are some good ones that help kids out academically, but something doesnt seem right about them
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How does this happen? Are their parents waiting until they are 7 or 8 to enroll them in kindergarten? Are they getting left back two and three times? And how are the legitimately taking college courses if they did get left back that many times? Or are they being held back strictly for basketball purposes in the majority of the cases?
1. this could be legitimate reason. . outside of NYC most parents today will keep their children, especially boys, back a year if they are born after July 1st... so some of the kids that are one year older had no say in the matter...
2. Today, kids are being held back in grammar school, on purpose, to gain an advantage atheltically.. this happens all the time in south for football and is happening more frequently for basketball...
3. Lastly... and sadly.. a lot of the inner city kids today are under educated and can't make the grades needed to get past the NCAA Clearinghouse... and instead of being a Prop 48, remember that rule, they go to Prep school for 1 or 2 years and get to enter college at 20 or even 21 as Freshman...
Parents of kids who have the potential to even maybe get an athletic scholarship today are going to do everything they can to get their child every advantage they can... I understand it to a point but the big issue for me is that there is no way that these kids should be permitted to have 4 years of eligibility remaining when they enter college... especially the kids who are in Prep school because of the lack of academic progress or because they just didn't do their work in high school.