6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Marco Baldi on April 30, 2015, 01:13:45 PM
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Both have had their issues. Both looking toward NBA. Both have huge potential. Both will be the #1 option on offense. Both need to keep their head on their shoulders to improve.
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Is this on the undercard for Saturday?
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Is this on the undercard for Saturday?
I thought you vs medium shirt was?
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Rysheed, because Whitehead will have less around him, leading to him forcing more shots and committing more turnovers
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Is this on the undercard for Saturday?
I thought you vs medium shirt was?
:) "Dirty South."
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Rysheed, because Whitehead will have less around him, leading to him forcing more shots and committing more turnovers
Do we have a better nucleus than Whithead, Delgado, Carrington and Desi?
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I expect Rysheed to come up huge this season, whereas Whitehead always comes up Tiny.
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Rysheed, because Whitehead will have less around him, leading to him forcing more shots and committing more turnovers
Do we have a better nucleus than Whithead, Delgado, Carrington and Desi?
We will....
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People complain about Rysheed being undisciplined. They should watch Whitehead. He forces a lot of shots. If he plays a team game he can be just as good as Jordan but right now I can say confidently Jordan is considerably better player.
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Rysheed, because Whitehead will have less around him, leading to him forcing more shots and committing more turnovers
Do we have a better nucleus than Whithead, Delgado, Carrington and Desi?
Due to the influx of new players on our team and unfinished roster, so it remains to be seen. As, of now you'd probably have to go with their core.
I have this keen feeling that Jordan is gonna come up big for us. In the end, I think we'll have the better nucleus. I'm still hoping we add Mussini and Papagiannis.
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Whitehead will have a talented team around him next year. Delgado should be a preseason first team All Big East. I expect Desi to improve, and Carrington as well. Plus the new contributors (freshman and transfer). If they can play together, I think the Hall will be pretty good. And I think Whitehead is the guy who has to put it all together.
I thought Whitehead's freshman year was similar to Sheed's in that it showed flashes of brilliance with lots of ups and downs. Sheed last year played terrific for the most part, IMO, the last 12-14 games. I think Sheed will be better next year simply because he has one more year under his belt than Whitehead, who I also think will improve.
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Is this on the undercard for Saturday?
I thought you vs medium shirt was?
:) "Dirty South."
The album you might not know mj (and Baldi?) when it comes to the dirty south - DBT (Jason Isbell is turning out to be as fine a song writer as Patterson Hood)
The question is - will Whitehead change along with his underclassmen when it comes to playing team ball?
https://youtu.be/C3icBcr1_Tw (https://youtu.be/C3icBcr1_Tw)
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I almost certain whitehead has better numbers. I really think (hope) Jordan has the better season and wins more games.
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I almost certain whitehead has better numbers. I really think (hope) Jordan has the better season and wins more games.
Both Rysheed and Whitehead need to improve their A/TO ratio, among a few other categories. Jordan had a higher Offensive Rating last season according to StatSheet:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=rysheed-jordan&p1=isaiah-whitehead (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=rysheed-jordan&p1=isaiah-whitehead)
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I almost certain whitehead has better numbers. I really think (hope) Jordan has the better season and wins more games.
Both Rysheed and Whitehead need to improve their A/TO ratio, among a few other categories. Jordan had a higher Offensive Rating last season according to StatSheet:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=rysheed-jordan&p1=isaiah-whitehead (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=rysheed-jordan&p1=isaiah-whitehead)
It depends on which numbers we use. I would bet anyone that Whithead will score more points. He will be allowed to take more shots, good and bad.
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I almost certain whitehead has better numbers. I really think (hope) Jordan has the better season and wins more games.
Both Rysheed and Whitehead need to improve their A/TO ratio, among a few other categories. Jordan had a higher Offensive Rating last season according to StatSheet:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=rysheed-jordan&p1=isaiah-whitehead (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=rysheed-jordan&p1=isaiah-whitehead)
It depends on which numbers we use. I would bet anyone that Whithead will score more points. He will be allowed to take more shots, good and bad.
No argument on shots or PPG from me. Whitehead's efficiency rating will be lower than Rysheed. I think Rysheed's going to be a better distributor and improve his A/TO ratio more - and win more.
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I voted for Sheed predicated that he listens to Chris to improve his game. We will know the first time he takes a FT. Chris always kept his eyes on the basket, even when pulling up his shorts bottoms. If Sheed gets rid of that silly neck twisting when he is on the line, we'll know he is listening to Chris.
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I voted for Sheed predicated that he listens to Chris to improve his game. We will know the first time he takes a FT. Chris always kept his eyes on the basket, even when pulling up his shorts bottoms. If Sheed gets rid of that silly neck twisting when he is on the line, we'll know he is listening to Chris.
Doubt his neck twisting is a voluntary movement or controllable. IMHO and politely expressed, people need to refrain from making this an issue.
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Whitehead.
Admitting Whitehead is a special player isn't a negative assessment of Jordan.
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I voted for Sheed predicated that he listens to Chris to improve his game. We will know the first time he takes a FT. Chris always kept his eyes on the basket, even when pulling up his shorts bottoms. If Sheed gets rid of that silly neck twisting when he is on the line, we'll know he is listening to Chris.
Who the F cares about the neck twisting?
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Whitehead.
Admitting Whitehead is a special player isn't a negative assessment of Jordan.
And the converse applies as well.
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Hall looking to add Sulaimon or Carter
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I can't fathom how they would take Sulamon with everything going on with him. Do they ever learn?
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I can't fathom how they would take Sulamon with everything going on with him. Do they ever learn?
Sulaimon is graduating from Duke in August, there are no claims against him, allegedly there was only ever one girl who made any claims, not two like the Chronicle stated, and he recently came out with an article, whether or not true, where he tries to clear his name.
If the kid really didn't assault anyone, he deserves a second chance (though he must have had a horrible attitude for Coach K to throw him off).
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Whitehead.
Admitting Whitehead is a special player isn't a negative assessment of Jordan.
I haven't seen "special" player yet out of him. Very good talent with loads of potential, yes.. Hasn't shown any special yet imo.
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Whitehead.
Admitting Whitehead is a special player isn't a negative assessment of Jordan.
And the converse applies as well.
very true, doesn't mean the other one isn't a good player.
And MCN, in response to your post, I think the talent is special, he hasn't put it all together yet for consistent stretches but I think Whitehead has a higher ceiling than Rysheed.
Just my opinion. I was real high on IW coming out of high school too.
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I voted for Sheed predicated that he listens to Chris to improve his game. We will know the first time he takes a FT. Chris always kept his eyes on the basket, even when pulling up his shorts bottoms. If Sheed gets rid of that silly neck twisting when he is on the line, we'll know he is listening to Chris.
Who the F cares about the neck twisting?
totally agree
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I voted for Sheed predicated that he listens to Chris to improve his game. We will know the first time he takes a FT. Chris always kept his eyes on the basket, even when pulling up his shorts bottoms. If Sheed gets rid of that silly neck twisting when he is on the line, we'll know he is listening to Chris.
Who the F cares about the neck twisting?
totally agree
All I am saying is that Chris would not do this. If you have ever listened to Chris discuss his art of free throwing, he said he just stared at the rim when he got to the line as this focused him on the shot and also eliminated any unnecessary movement other than the shot and Chris was a superb FT shooter; career leader at SJU at 85%, hitting 90% one season. That is why I say he needs to eliminate excess movement. He has shot 66% from the line which is unacceptable for a PG. He is obviously doing something wrong which if he listens to coaching he can demonstrate a "verifiable" improvement and become the player who becomes one of the top ones in the Big East.
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I voted for Sheed predicated that he listens to Chris to improve his game. We will know the first time he takes a FT. Chris always kept his eyes on the basket, even when pulling up his shorts bottoms. If Sheed gets rid of that silly neck twisting when he is on the line, we'll know he is listening to Chris.
Who the F cares about the neck twisting?
totally agree
All I am saying is that Chris would not do this. If you have ever listened to Chris discuss his art of free throwing, he said he just stared at the rim when he got to the line as this focused him on the shot and also eliminated any unnecessary movement other than the shot and Chris was a superb FT shooter; career leader at SJU at 85%, hitting 90% one season. That is why I say he needs to eliminate excess movement. He has shot 66% from the line which is unacceptable for a PG. He is obviously doing something wrong which if he listens to coaching he can demonstrate a "verifiable" improvement and become the player who becomes one of the top ones in the Big East.
Everyone has different ways to prepare when they go to the line. Maybe, that is a way for Jordan to concentrate on FTs. Besides, a couple of folks have already stated that Jordan's neck movement may not be voluntary. He may have a tic.
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I voted for Sheed predicated that he listens to Chris to improve his game. We will know the first time he takes a FT. Chris always kept his eyes on the basket, even when pulling up his shorts bottoms. If Sheed gets rid of that silly neck twisting when he is on the line, we'll know he is listening to Chris.
Who the F cares about the neck twisting?
totally agree
All I am saying is that Chris would not do this. If you have ever listened to Chris discuss his art of free throwing, he said he just stared at the rim when he got to the line as this focused him on the shot and also eliminated any unnecessary movement other than the shot and Chris was a superb FT shooter; career leader at SJU at 85%, hitting 90% one season. That is why I say he needs to eliminate excess movement. He has shot 66% from the line which is unacceptable for a PG. He is obviously doing something wrong which if he listens to coaching he can demonstrate a "verifiable" improvement and become the player who becomes one of the top ones in the Big East.
Chris would also never shoot a FT from 17-18 FT when you can do that from 15 Feet. But that's what Nick Van Exel always did, and he was an 80% FT shooter, I believe. It's whatever works for the guy involved, and the same recipe does not always work if you are using different ingredients.
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Compare Jordan's second year stats to Whitehead's after the end of the 15/16 season. It's not fair to compare a freshman to a sophomore. Jordan, also had 4 seniors to pick him up when he struggled, and he struggled often. Whitehead had Sterling Gibbs and Brandon Mobley.
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Good thing I voted for Whitehead. Baldi in mid season form
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Good thing I voted for Whitehead. Baldi in mid season form
Nailing it better than DiCaprio on a good night, Baldi.
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Compare Jordan's second year stats to Whitehead's after the end of the 15/16 season. It's not fair to compare a freshman to a sophomore. Jordan, also had 4 seniors to pick him up when he struggled, and he struggled often. Whitehead had Sterling Gibbs and Brandon Mobley.
Compare them first year to first year. both were surrounded by a number of upper classmen and IW had seniors for guidance. IW didn't listen to them but turned them off so they left SH. while IW averaged 12 and Sheed 10; Sheed had more A's and fewer TO's. Sheed shot 42% and IW 37%. Not much difference between the two other than significant personality issues IW had with his upper class teammates--he was a cancer.
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Not much difference between the two other than significant personality issues IW had with his upper class teammates--he was a cancer.
Looks like IW will be playing next season and RJ will not - that is a pretty significant difference.
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Not much difference between the two other than significant personality issues IW had with his upper class teammates--he was a cancer.
Looks like IW will be playing next season and RJ will not - that is a pretty significant difference.
Nothing more to say on that. :)
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Whitehead is going to destroy the Big East this year
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Whitehead is going to destroy the Big East this year
Like he destroyed his team last year; the transfers who came in are going to be looking to prove themselves. He needs to learn to play as a teammate and not be a ball hog or they will have the same thing happen again
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I agree Redslope. Whitehead did more harm than good for SHU. He was a complete chemistry destroyer. We will see how he is next season.
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Whitehead is going to destroy the Big East this year
Shot 36% last year and had a 1:1 turnover to assist ratio. He could definitely be way better for year 2 but destroy the conference? I have seen nothing to make me think that will happen.
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Whitehead is going to destroy the Big East this year
Shot 36% last year and had a 1:1 turnover to assist ratio. He could definitely be way better for year 2 but destroy the conference? I have seen nothing to make me think that will happen.
The only weakness in his game is experience and maturity. He went to Lincoln, so yes, he's a shit, but that doesn't mean that he can't play.
Whitehead averaged 3.5 assists per game as a freshman. And he was a freshman on a young team. If you really saw nothing that convinces you he can play, I guess you won't be convinced.
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Whitehead is going to destroy the Big East this year
Shot 36% last year and had a 1:1 turnover to assist ratio. He could definitely be way better for year 2 but destroy the conference? I have seen nothing to make me think that will happen.
The only weakness in his game is experience and maturity. He went to Lincoln, so yes, he's a shit, but that doesn't mean that he can't play.
Whitehead averaged 3.5 assists per game as a freshman. And he was a freshman on a young team. If you really saw nothing that convinces you he can play, I guess you won't be convinced.
He said he saw nothing that leads him to believe he will "destroy" the big east. I'd have to agree. I saw a kid who forces shots, puts himself before the team, gets frustrated and plays dumb when things aren't going his way. Talented, yes. But we know all too well, talent only gets you so far.
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Whitehead is going to destroy the Big East this year
Shot 36% last year and had a 1:1 turnover to assist ratio. He could definitely be way better for year 2 but destroy the conference? I have seen nothing to make me think that will happen.
The only weakness in his game is experience and maturity. He went to Lincoln, so yes, he's a shit, but that doesn't mean that he can't play.
Whitehead averaged 3.5 assists per game as a freshman. And he was a freshman on a young team. If you really saw nothing that convinces you he can play, I guess you won't be convinced.
He said he saw nothing that leads him to believe he will "destroy" the big east. I'd have to agree. I saw a kid who forces shots, puts himself before the team, gets frustrated and plays dumb when things aren't going his way. Talented, yes. But we know all too well, talent only gets you so far.
The best thing about freshman...
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SH had chemistry problems that went beyond just whitehead. He's going to be very good, if you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
But if you're looking for a guy who will destroy the conference ...it's obviously Kris Dunn in my eyes. He's a step above everyone else in the BE and I would be very surprised if he's not POY.
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Seton Hall basketball is a pox on the BE. They haven't been good since P J and probably never will be again. The whole program is just snake bit.