6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: goredmen on January 30, 2015, 08:47:30 PM
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Despite all the fun we are having discussing the next coach, next AD and how much longer before Jordan is kicked off the team for good, we have another game in about 15 hours. We are 3 point favorites and I wouldn't be surprised if we win by 20 or lose by 20
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Despite all the fun we are having discussing the next coach, next AD and how much longer before Jordan is kicked off the team for good, we have another game in about 15 hours. We are 3 point favorites and I wouldn't be surprised if we win by 20 or lose by 20
I hear that.
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I'll be at my 7 year old's soccer game. It will certainly be more fun.
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I'm going for a massage
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I am going to the game. Hoping for a win.
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I'm going for a massage
Going to ask the guy for a happy ending?
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Providence 77
SJU 70
Jordan exits before half time clutching his chest like Fred Sanford and saying "Elizabeth honey, I'm coming to join you".
Spends rest of the game sitting on Keady's lap.
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I'm going for a massage
Going to ask the guy for a happy ending?
It's called the Travolta
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I'm going to go and continue to go for Dlo, Dom, Phil and Jamal. They deserve it. If the punk Jordan helps them win, it is a means to an end. If they decide they want him gone - and I have to think their view is impacting what the staff does at this point - so be it. And next year good riddance.
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Going 2-0 against Providence would be huge, I'll be in my regular seat. Not holding my breath.
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PC 74
SJU 66
Will keep it close and make a run in second half. We will run out of gas at the end and PC will seal it at the line. I hope SL gives Branch and Amar plenty of minutes even if Jordan plays. We need to spread the minutes out so everyone isn't gassed with 8 minutes left in the second half.
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Despite all the fun we are having discussing the next coach, next AD and how much longer before Jordan is kicked off the team for good, we have another game in about 15 hours. We are 3 point favorites and I wouldn't be surprised if we win by 20 or lose by 20
Sounds like fun
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Johnnies 72, Providence 64
When we expect nothing, it seems that's when our guys come ready.
This of course, before we shit the bed again in March.
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Just checked. No one on Providence named Toby. We might have a chance
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Can't find it. What channel is bit on?
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Can't find it. What channel is bit on?
Fox. Channel 5
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Getting beat up the court early
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Jordan turnover and then ignores his assignment on other end
In other news: the sky is blue
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Phil carrying us
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De la rosa with a basket. Maybe it's our day
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De la rosa with a basket. Maybe it's our day
This team is the Costanza team - doing opposite most every other game
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55 FG% thus far, PC 38%
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Desrosiers - guy to hound all second half
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8)Dom from 3.! Most important half of the season coming
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So now that it is clear Jordan was not hurt, what the heck went on last game?
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8)Dom from 3.! Most important half of the season coming
I had to check the stats...that is his first made 3 of the season on 15 attempts.
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Notice how much better his shot is from the right side?
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Crazy to think - if we take second half strong, we'll still have puncher's chance of getting above .500 in Beast play.
Also crazy. Win today, and if Hall wins and Butler loses, there would be a 16-6, 15-6, 15-7, 15-7, 14-7, 14-7 overall records. 2nd half kick in conf. play will make us all scratch our heads.
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Sat in NC bar with the owner for the Duke game, SJU up 10, under 10, he said "your boys are looking good." I agreed, smile on my face and said, "they'll f..ck it up. " ANd of course they did. Feeling a little better about this one, Prov isn't Duke, but the feeling is there. Gotta feel good when Dom hits a 3 and JoeyD scores.
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Don't fck this up Lavin
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How is Providence in 1st place?
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Not in bar today, home in condo at the beach. Like Constanza.....opposite
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Great defensive sequence, too bad we cant finish
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These refs suck
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to quote the great Michael Ray, "the ship be sinking"
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WTF is Pointer doing? Just dumb!
Smart play by Harrison.
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Can somebody explain that timeout to me?
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Massage time. Dont FCK this up Steve
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Can somebody explain that timeout to me?
What timeout?
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Can somebody explain that timeout to me?
What timeout?
The one Lavin called after the steal and transition 3 by Harrison to put us up 10. One sequence after a timeout was called by Providence
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Can somebody explain that timeout to me?
What timeout?
The one Lavin called after the steal and transition 3 by Harrison to put us up 10. One sequence after a timeout was called by Providence
Not sure. I wasn't paying attention, and assumed Providence called a timeout.
I do understand occasionally timeouts after made baskets. But I didn't understand that one, as we had the momentum, and I'm sure Cooley would've called a timeout in that situation.
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Not a smart play by Jordan. We got lucky, as he looked like he traveled. Pull the ball back out and take off more time.
Obekpa still can't consistently finish those shots near the basket.
Let's finish this one out.
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This one looks to be over.
Per the Providence board, they (the Friars) can't beat the "thugs."
http://providence.scout.com/forums/1323-friar-talk/13619257-st-john-s-game-thread?s=425&page=10
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the ship has been righted....good finish
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
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Harrison clanking FTs today.
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Showed guts regaining control after blowing lead. Solid win & sweep of a good team. On to Butler!
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Boy Prov fans hate SJU. And the name calling from a school that had had plenty of questionable characters (Batts)
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"This confounds with our tenacity in the vertical game. We came out punching instead of countering our opponents' smash mouth style. Out team responded to the challenge of being professional with regards to our poor previous performance after the Duke letdown...."
Me: We shared the ball, shot well, defended the 3 better, and contributed to a poor PC shooting performance. Well done, now let's get 2 good games in a row and build on this.
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Providence player that fouled Jordan earned himself a Joey Delarosa in the 2015 BE tourney. That was dirty. But hey, how about Joey Delarosa scoring the basket and getting fouled? Stunning. He even hit rim on the free throw.
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Bunch of sissies. This is the Big East, no crying in league play. Unimpressed with Providence, they will be out quick in March. Cooley is a bitch too
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Sleepy home crowd/student section today.
If Harrison would have hit his FTs we would have seen his 2,000th point at the Garden. Shame he has to do it on the road.
On to the next one!
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Congratulations to Phil Greene IV on passing Reggie Carter, who led Sju to the elite eight beating Temple, Duke and Rutgers before bowing out to UPenn 64-62 in the East Regional finals in the 79/80 season; and rebounding machine Jayson Williams who averaged more than 10 rebounds a game in 4 consecutive Nba seasons including 13.5 and 13.6 boards in back to back years with the Nets. He often was Rodmanesque.
The Ellipse is now in 40th place on the Sju all-time scoring list.. Career validation yo!!!
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Providence thoughts: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
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8)Dom from 3.! Most important half of the season coming
I had to check the stats...that is his first made 3 of the season on 15 attempts.
Upstate were you at the game by any chance? Guy sitting behind me said the same thing right after the halftime break.
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8)Dom from 3.! Most important half of the season coming
I had to check the stats...that is his first made 3 of the season on 15 attempts.
Upstate were you at the game by any chance? Guy sitting behind me said the same thing right after the halftime break.
Haha...no I wasn't at the game. Next game I'm heading to is the SH game.
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
We'll be the underdog. Relax and hope we play well.
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
We'll be the underdog. Relax and hope we play well.
Thank you
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Take a good look at who Butler has beaten, and tell me that we are the better team? Once in the last 10 years, we were a better team than Butler. And that last year, a year where we sucked too.
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
Smart
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
Smart
By the way, KenPom gives us only a 24% chance to win that game, if you're into that kind of stuff
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
Smart
By the way, KenPom gives us only a 24% chance to win that game, if you're into that kind of stuff
Well the good news is we've proven KenPom wrong several times this year (in losses), so maybe it's time to prove it wrong with a win??
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
Please quantify how our top 6 has more "talent" than theirs?
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
Please quantify how our top 6 has more "talent" than theirs?
We have 5 former top 75 RSCI ranked recruits. They have 0. Hard to quantify it any more than that ;)
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Phillip with another stellar stat stuffer. A team second in scoring with 16 on an efficient 46% from the field . Double digit scorer in all BE games and 10 out of the last eleven. Never one to settle for the status quo, now starting a new steak of double digit scoring in the first half alone. Outboarded all guards in the game with 5. Had 3 assists and an infinity asst./to ratio. Led the team in steals with 2.
Those clamoring for Triangle to use his lethal outside shooting less and drive to the hole more were rewarded...as Phil took it to the rim confidently and effectively early and often.
His value most evident in the outset as every Johnny without roman numerals in their name came out comatose, depending on Square alone to keep us from getting us blown out early. He had a hand in 11 of our first 12 points. Scoring 9 and assisting on a bucket.
Perhaps his biggest play of the day was the rebound and outlet to Dom with the clock expiring for the 1st half closing miracle three.
But did you get the memo on BEB's? He Stinks! ;D ;D ;D
It's right below where it says he scored 16 but took 13 shots to do it and he failed to have on offensive rebound (neither did Sterling Gibbs) and some actuary somewhere says that 4 ft attempts is not enough for 13 shots and blah blah blah blah blah blah.
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
Please quantify how our top 6 has more "talent" than theirs?
We have 5 former top 75 RSCI ranked recruits. They have 0. Hard to quantify it any more than that ;)
You maybe right, that's probably what most people do but by that logic Michael Olowokandi and Kwame Brown are more talented than anyone else in their draft class because they were taken #1 overall? How about Sam Bowe is a better player than Michael Jordan because he was taken ahead of him? Look at the current leading score of the BE, were was he ranked out of HS? I was hoping to get a little bit more of an actual analysis of the players game to support that statement.
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I have seen butler play numerous times. Beating them at home won't be a steal by any means.
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
Please quantify how our top 6 has more "talent" than theirs?
We have 5 former top 75 RSCI ranked recruits. They have 0. Hard to quantify it any more than that ;)
We once had the #1 player in the country at St.John's, and you what we learned? He wasn't worthy of it. Well, some of us learned it.
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I think Providence is better then Butler. As long as Jordan's tooth, back, fingers, stomach, or knee does not hurt I think we win Tuesday. Also hoping Jordan isn't suffering from home sickness and hope that everyone is nice to him on facebook and twitter. Providing nothing like this happens I think we win.
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
Please quantify how our top 6 has more "talent" than theirs?
One on one our top 6 players would beat their top 6 players.
I don't agree with that entirely, but I would think that quantifies it without getting too in depth.
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I think Providence is better then Butler. As long as Jordan's tooth, back, fingers, stomach, or knee does not hurt I think we win Tuesday. Also hoping Jordan isn't suffering from home sickness and hope that everyone is nice to him on facebook and twitter. Providing nothing like this happens I think we win.
Good point. Jordan issues and other intangibles and minor issues are the problem. (DLO leg, team IQ, COs tendency to pick up stupid fouls etc) If team plays smart they should win, if not, another nail in the coffin.
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
Please quantify how our top 6 has more "talent" than theirs?
One on one our top 6 players would beat their top 6 players.
I don't agree with that entirely, but I would think that quantifies it without getting too in depth.
Unfortunately a game of basketball at this level consist of 5 on 5. In that environment, our team struggles on the offensive end because they lack the offensive skill sets as a whole and we struggle to find consistency. Our players are too one dimensional. We don't have good shooters, good passers, or good dribble penetrators. We are the most athletic which is why we do well on defense. Our best scorer lacks quickness and struggles getting off a clear shot in one on one situations. I think coaching wise Lavin has done a good job with this group.
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
Please quantify how our top 6 has more "talent" than theirs?
One on one our top 6 players would beat their top 6 players.
I don't agree with that entirely, but I would think that quantifies it without getting too in depth.
Unfortunately a game of basketball at this level consist of 5 on 5. In that environment, our team struggles on the offensive end because they lack the offensive skill sets as a whole and we struggle to find consistency. Our players are too one dimensional. We don't have good shooters, good passers, or good dribble penetrators. We are the most athletic which is why we do well on defense. Our best scorer lacks quickness and struggles getting off a clear shot in one on one situations. I think coaching wise Lavin has done a good job with this group.
I agreed completely with everything you wrote except your last sentence. I think lavin has done a much better job this year but think he really struggled coaching these guys in the previous years.
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
Please quantify how our top 6 has more "talent" than theirs?
We have 5 former top 75 RSCI ranked recruits. They have 0. Hard to quantify it any more than that ;)
You maybe right, that's probably what most people do but by that logic Michael Olowokandi and Kwame Brown are more talented than anyone else in their draft class because they were taken #1 overall? How about Sam Bowe is a better player than Michael Jordan because he was taken ahead of him? Look at the current leading score of the BE, were was he ranked out of HS? I was hoping to get a little bit more of an actual analysis of the players game to support that statement.
I don't disagree with you at all...I just look at it differently. You have talent (mostly Genetics) and you have skill--which by definition can be learned and improved with practice. Our most skilled player, Harrison, is probably one of our least physically talented players. Only schools like Kentucy can routinely get kids with both. Lavin seems to prefer kids with talent and sprinkling in some skilled kids like D'Lo and Moe.
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Nice win. Steal a win at Butler Tuesday and we might have something here
Steal nothing . We have better players. A loss would be another bad loss. No more losing to worse teams
Our top 6 may have more talent than their top 6. However they are a much better TEAM and much better coached. Plus the game is in their building. Yes, we are going to have to steal that game
Please quantify how our top 6 has more "talent" than theirs?
One on one our top 6 players would beat their top 6 players.
I don't agree with that entirely, but I would think that quantifies it without getting too in depth.
Unfortunately a game of basketball at this level consist of 5 on 5. In that environment, our team struggles on the offensive end because they lack the offensive skill sets as a whole and we struggle to find consistency. Our players are too one dimensional. We don't have good shooters, good passers, or good dribble penetrators. We are the most athletic which is why we do well on defense. Our best scorer lacks quickness and struggles getting off a clear shot in one on one situations. I think coaching wise Lavin has done a good job with this group.
Dlo lacks quickness but can still get into the lane and draw fouls. I don't think this is a bad passing team. There are times RJ and Phil hold the ball to long. CO has recieved some nice passes this year where he did not convert a chippee and that does hurt. You right about a shooter. If we had one of those I don't think Phil would be allowed to dribble around for 15 seconds and then hoisting a sideways 16 footer which he should cut out anyway.