6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting => 2019 Class => Topic started by: mjdinkins on September 30, 2017, 12:58:23 PM
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Pat Lawless
@PatLawless_
Jalen Gaffney, a class of 2019 PG from The Westtown School (PA)/Team Rio (NJ), will go on an unofficial visit to St. John's today.
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Pat Lawless
@PatLawless_
Jalen Gaffney, a class of 2019 PG from The Westtown School (PA)/Team Rio (NJ), will go on an unofficial visit to St. John's today.
They like him a lot & realize Antoine & Lewis of Team Rio are extremely tough gets.
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Staff apparently likes this guy's potential. Blowing up lately
https://twitter.com/marleypaul22/status/937170762686976000
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Marley Paul
@MarleyPaul22
At @PSACardinals Showcase:
Archbishop Molloy five-star duo Cole Anthony (21p 5a 9r 3s) and Moses Brown (19 & 8)
Posh Alexander - 15p, 7a, 3s
Jalen Gaffney - 21 & 9
Gaffney would be a great get by SJU with kids like Lewis & Antoine probably out of reach. He is maturing physically, has solid grades & playing well v top competition in my opinion.
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@AdamZagoria
After playing in NJ on Saturday, Florida will watch 2019 PG @thefuture12__ Jalen Gaffney on Sunday.
UConn, Florida, St. John's and Xavier are all in the mix.
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New article up.
https://stjohns.rivals.com/news/gaffney-talks-st-john-s-nba-development
On his relationship with St. John’s coaches:
“We have a great relationship. Me and coach Matt (Abdelmassih), we talk a lot. Coach (Chris) Mullin we talk a lot, pretty much every week. I’ve been to the campus a couple times — I’ve been to the Red Storm Tip Off and a couple practices, so we have a great relationship.”
Takeaways from his unofficial visits:
“Their practices are NBA-style practices, especially coming from coach Mullin who played in the NBA — and the other assistant coaches, they all used to be NBA guys, so running NBA-style practices will definitely help me get to the next level if I ever were to go there.”
Other schools and upcoming visits:
“Florida, Seton Hall, Minnesota, Stanford, UConn, Richmond, and some other schools, too.”
"I probably plan to visit UConn, sometime. And maybe Temple because it’s right around the corner (from Westtown). That’s pretty much it but we’ll definitely make some more.”
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New article up.
https://stjohns.rivals.com/news/gaffney-talks-st-john-s-nba-development
On his relationship with St. John’s coaches:
“We have a great relationship. Me and coach Matt (Abdelmassih), we talk a lot. Coach (Chris) Mullin we talk a lot, pretty much every week. I’ve been to the campus a couple times — I’ve been to the Red Storm Tip Off and a couple practices, so we have a great relationship.”
Takeaways from his unofficial visits:
“Their practices are NBA-style practices, especially coming from coach Mullin who played in the NBA — and the other assistant coaches, they all used to be NBA guys, so running NBA-style practices will definitely help me get to the next level if I ever were to go there.”
Other schools and upcoming visits:
“Florida, Seton Hall, Minnesota, Stanford, UConn, Richmond, and some other schools, too.”
"I probably plan to visit UConn, sometime. And maybe Temple because it’s right around the corner (from Westtown). That’s pretty much it but we’ll definitely make some more.”
Sounds like we are very strong with him. Good stuff
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@JohnniesPride
Assistant coach @mabde33 is watching @WTbbasketball 2019 Target Jalen Gaffney @thefuture12__ right now in their playoff game while in the area for their game vs @NovaMBB tomorrow #SJUBB @ad_gaffney
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@JohnniesPride
Assistant coach @mabde33 is watching @WTbbasketball 2019 Target Jalen Gaffney @thefuture12__ right now in their playoff game while in the area for their game vs @NovaMBB tomorrow #SJUBB @ad_gaffney
What's going to happen with all these kids that Matt is recruiting when he is replaced after the year is over...?
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@AdamZagoria - Class of 2019 PG @thefuture12__ Jalen Gaffney will host Chris Mullin of @StJohnsBBall for a home visit on Sunday.
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Correction on date per Zach B
St Johns will have an in home visit with 2019 PG Jalen Gaffney next weekend not this weekend per source #sjubb
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Pat Lawless
@PatLawless_
Was really impressed with the play of '19 Team Rio (NJ) guard Jalen Gaffney. Has been great in the open floor with his burst of speed. @TheHoopGroup
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https://twitter.com/thehoopgroup/status/982692068723187712?s=21
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So the kid is about to explode out of our reach?
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So the kid is about to explode out of our reach?
“We are...” :)
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I thought Gaffney was gonna blow up last year. He didn't quite do that but still think he has potential. Needs to get stronger and work harder.
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Seems like the kind of kid we really need, a talented high school point guard to counter the like of Quinerly at Nova. Let's hope we get him and the center from CTK as a great start to the '19 class.
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https://stjohns.rivals.com/news/inside-red-storm-top-target-s-in-home-visit
“I’m obviously familiar with St. John’s,” the older Gaffney, who was raised in Queens and has followed the hometown program since its heydays under Lou Carnesecca, said. “We’ve been a part of their new (coaching) regime since the beginning. They’ve been kind of following our (Team Rio) players, and so on, for the last couple of years. We had a pretty good home visit.”
“For one, it was good to have my wife sit down and hear Mully speak and me myself,” Gaffney said. “We went up there enough, we’re familiar with them. It’s funny, Jalen and Mully have a pretty good relationship — kind of a fun relationship, which is unique with Mully and all his players, which is why they attract to him. But just to get my wife kind of involved — obviously with your son you always have to have your mother’s touch on it, so that was probably the main thing.”
“I’d like to get it done earlier so he can enjoy his senior year but we’ll what happens.”
Sounds like Team RIO will be in Dallas (several events in Dallas area this weekend, NIKE is in Irving, TX). SJU should be represented in Dallas this weekend as Live period starts.
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Sounds rather promising. Mullin definitely a players coach. Hope he feels comfortable enough to get it done.
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Pitt just offered:
https://twitter.com/thefuture12__/status/990033524739723266?s=20
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Jalen Gaffney CG, Team Rio – Quite simply Gaffney has taken his game to a new level since the high school season. Even though his team lost, Gaffney was outstanding. He scored the ball at a high level, and then also showed good feel for the game from the point guard position. Bigger and more explosive than he was in the past, Gaffney can finish around the rim, and then also is a good shooter from deep.
https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Anthony-Edwards-and-Precious-Achiuwa-stole-the-show-on-Sunday-at-the-Under-Armour-Association-117828247
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https://twitter.com/courtsidefilms/status/990967839585685505?s=21
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I think Jalen might have played too well this weekend. A ton of high major coaches were there to watch Scottie and Bryan.
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I think Jalen might have played too well this weekend. A ton of high major coaches were there to watch Scottie and Bryan.
His higher profile and more offers shows SJU did their homework. But unless you are going to tell me Duke, Kansas, UK or Nova are about to offer there really isn't a school on his list they shouldn't be able to beat out. If they are scared off by Pitt or Xavier this staff needs to find something else to do.
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I think Jalen might have played too well this weekend. A ton of high major coaches were there to watch Scottie and Bryan.
His higher profile and more offers shows SJU did their homework. But unless you are going to tell me Duke, Kansas, UK or Nova are about to offer there really isn't a school on his list they shouldn't be able to beat out. If they are scared off by Pitt or Xavier this staff needs to find something else to do.
I don't think being scared by Pitt or Xavier but it's certainly not helpful if they get involved. I wasn't paying attention to every coach that was in the stands but there 50-75 coaches watching games and he played very well. I wouldn't be surprised if his stock upticks.
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I think Jalen might have played too well this weekend. A ton of high major coaches were there to watch Scottie and Bryan.
His higher profile and more offers shows SJU did their homework. But unless you are going to tell me Duke, Kansas, UK or Nova are about to offer there really isn't a school on his list they shouldn't be able to beat out. If they are scared off by Pitt or Xavier this staff needs to find something else to do.
I don't think being scared by Pitt or Xavier but it's certainly not helpful if they get involved. I wasn't paying attention to every coach that was in the stands but there 50-75 coaches watching games and he played very well. I wouldn't be surprised if his stock upticks.
Understood but his games are very high profile considering his teammates and in many cases the quality of his competition.
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Pittsburgh and Capel are going to make a big push for this kid.
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Interview with Jalen. Kid is blowing up.
Refers to his relationship with Mullin and staff as "phenomenal."
https://www.prepcircuit.com/news_article/show/913732?referrer_id=1293611
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Seems like he would be the perfect replacement for Ponds. Just hope he doesn't slip out of our reach.
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Always hard to read the tea leaves, but both he and his family's comments on our staff and how they've recruited him for so long are definitely encouraging and somewhat different than the typical stuff you get. Won't be easy but I think we are positioned well from what I've read. Now hopefully we can close the deal.
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Interview with Jalen. Kid is blowing up.
Refers to his relationship with Mullin and staff as "phenomenal."
https://www.prepcircuit.com/news_article/show/913732?referrer_id=1293611
Liked how when he spoke about St. John's his eyes lit up and he had a big smile on his face. Fingers crossed as he looks like the pure point we haven't had in a while.
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Very good shot for Johnnies & great kid! As he matures physically, watch out.
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Just offered by Marquette.
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@PatLawless_
3m3 minutes ago
Jalen Gaffney, a class of 2019 guard playing for Team Rio (NJ), has picked up an offer from Georgetown.
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I would say quality or quantity of offers is irrelevant. SJUi is well established here, they have done a very nice job with him and his family on every level. This is a terrific kid with a boat load of potential. Its not about closing now or getting the deal done, the work is done. My understanding is unless he has a change of heart, which as we al KNOW is very possible with kids this age SJU is in very good shape here
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I would say quality or quantity of offers is irrelevant. SJUi is well established here, they have done a very nice job with him and his family on every level. This is a terrific kid with a boat load of potential. Its not about closing now or getting the deal done, the work is done. My understanding is unless he has a change of heart, which as we al KNOW is very possible with kids this age SJU is in very good shape here
+1
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This sounds like Luther Muhammad all over again. Hope I’m wrong
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This sounds like Luther Muhammad all over again. Hope I’m wrong
Don’t blame you one bit. Seems like the guys we are in good shape with early the last couple years never seem to commit to us. If the big boys come calling it’s always going to be tough until we start winning.
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https://twitter.com/PatLawless_/status/997484087236595713
Virginia Tech offers
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What am I missing with this kid? 247 has him as a composite 3 star ranked in the mid two hundreds.
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What am I missing with this kid? 247 has him as a composite 3 star ranked in the mid two hundreds.
Recent evaluation had him rated #127
https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Basketball/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool
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What am I missing with this kid? 247 has him as a composite 3 star ranked in the mid two hundreds.
Recent evaluation had him rated #127
https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Basketball/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool
247's own rankings do have him as a 4 star at 127 (not that that blows me away) their composite that I was referring to has him a three star at 236.
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What am I missing with this kid? 247 has him as a composite 3 star ranked in the mid two hundreds.
You're not missing anything.
The two hundreds is right around the average number for the recruits brought in this year.
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Hahahaha
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I have criticized this staff's recruiting but a couple of things about Gaffney. One his ranking it is already improving (see 247) and I'll bet by end of summer after July when most of the rankings get updated he'll get into top 100.
The other thing is look at his recent offers, Georgetown, Xavier, Va Tech, Pitt etc. The kid is legit. He has blown up.
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And now UCONN and Danny Hurley offer. Still think this kid is a top 250 kid??? Kid is legit, the updated rankings over the summer will reflect this. Hopefully by then he will be an SJU commit.
https://twitter.com/PatLawless_/status/999444702956007424
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We're in the Top6:
https://twitter.com/jalengaffney/status/1025452169212977157
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In his final 6
https://twitter.com/jalengaffney/status/1025452169212977157?s=21
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Last licks:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/08/03/2019-jalen-gaffney-names-final-six/
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1041740502708707329
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1041740502708707329
Xavier is likely I sense
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Looking like we are going to whiff on all of the top targets and plan Bs. Better hope the NCAA changes those transfer rules
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1041740502708707329
Xavier is likely I sense
Paultz, what's your opinion as to why it looks like we're going to completely strike out on all of our top hs targets? Are recruits being scared off by Mullin's lack of a contract extension?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1041740502708707329
Xavier is likely I sense
Paultz, what's your opinion as to why it looks like we're going to completely strike out on all of our top hs targets? Are recruits being scared off by Mullin's lack of a contract extension?
No, just our recruiting approach depends on one guy, Matt. Losing for so long also does not help, but guys like Cooley, who inherit programs in decline, embrace recruiting fully & require two ACs to beat the bushes for kids. Matt is great at transfer game, but needs front line help pursuing HS kids imo. The HC has to plan, prioritize and organize recruiting and not just be a closer. It appears SJU model differs from norm of most successful programs. Having a good coming season will also help.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1041740502708707329
Xavier is likely I sense
Paultz, what's your opinion as to why it looks like we're going to completely strike out on all of our top hs targets? Are recruits being scared off by Mullin's lack of a contract extension?
No, just our recruiting approach depends on one guy, Matt. Losing for so long also does not help, but guys like Cooley, who inherit programs in decline, embrace recruiting fully & require two ACs to beat the bushes for kids. Matt is great at transfer game, but needs front line help pursuing HS kids imo. The HC has to plan, prioritize and organize recruiting and not just be a closer. It appears SJU model differs from norm of most successful programs. Having a good coming season will also help.
Thanks for the insight. Definitely agree Matt needs help out on the recruiting trail. He's the best there is in the transfer game but I don't think we can build a successful Big East program centered solely on transfers and 3 star hs recruits. Hopefully Heron is eligible and we make some serious noise this year to help attract some top talent.
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Jalen Gaffney to UConn, per reports.
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Zach Braziller
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2h2 hours ago
One thing I had heard about Jalen Gaffney. All the talk about St. John's hiring Mike Rice to land his AAU teammate, Scottie Lewis, hurt them here. He became an afterthought somewhat. They were initially in great shape for him. Just a theory someone connected suggested. #sjubb
Hmmm. Who started that rumor, where was it discussed interminably, and who is evidently to blame for Gafney to Uconn. Stay tuned, I'll be posting clues to the answer in my avatar.
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Zach Braziller
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@NYPost_Brazille
2h2 hours ago
One thing I had heard about Jalen Gaffney. All the talk about St. John's hiring Mike Rice to land his AAU teammate, Scottie Lewis, hurt them here. He became an afterthought somewhat. They were initially in great shape for him. Just a theory someone connected suggested. #sjubb
Hmmm. Who started that rumor, where was it discussed interminably, and who is evidently to blame for Gafney to Uconn. Stay tuned, I'll be posting clues to the answer in my avatar.
Braziller does not have a clue what he is talking about. I agree the only chance at Lewis was probably hiring Rice but even if that happened I still don't think Lewis would have come anyway.
Gaffney wasn't tied to Rice. His recruitment was totally different. And the implication that talking up Rice only to have it not happen actually hurt the recruitment is complete nonsense. Gaffney did not choose Hurley and UCONN because he felt disappointed that "he thought SJU was going to hire Rice because of the chatter" as opposed to just "not hiring Rice with no chatter."
This staff has serious issues. Serious issues, and even a good year this year will not magically fix them.
We saw it with the recruitment of Luther Muhammad. Rival staffs are eating this staff's lunch and it isn't because of Mike Rice which didn't happen anyway.
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Zach Braziller
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@NYPost_Brazille
2h2 hours ago
One thing I had heard about Jalen Gaffney. All the talk about St. John's hiring Mike Rice to land his AAU teammate, Scottie Lewis, hurt them here. He became an afterthought somewhat. They were initially in great shape for him. Just a theory someone connected suggested. #sjubb
Hmmm. Who started that rumor, where was it discussed interminably, and who is evidently to blame for Gafney to Uconn. Stay tuned, I'll be posting clues to the answer in my avatar.
Braziller does not have a clue what he is talking about. I agree the only chance at Lewis was probably hiring Rice but even if that happened I still don't think Lewis would have come anyway.
Gaffney wasn't tied to Rice. His recruitment was totally different. And the implication that talking up Rice only to have it not happen actually hurt the recruitment is complete nonsense. Gaffney did not choose Hurley and UCONN because he felt disappointed that "he thought SJU was going to hire Rice because of the chatter" as opposed to just "not hiring Rice with no chatter."
This staff has serious issues. Serious issues, and even a good year this year will not magically fix them.
We saw it with the recruitment of Luther Muhammad. Rival staffs are eating this staff's lunch and it isn't because of Mike Rice which didn't happen anyway.
"someone connected". I assumed by that, he meant Matt A.
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Braziller does not have a clue what he is talking about.
And you do. Thanks Jimmy Olsen Junior. Great Caesar's Ghost.
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Braziller does not have a clue what he is talking about.
And you do. Thanks Jimmy Olsen Junior. Great Caesar's Ghost.
Yes but only as Jimmy Olson.
But what he is inferring doesn't make any sense. If the staff felt for 1 second that rumors about a potential staff move was impacting their recruiting they have the ability to pick up the phone and call the recruit and set the record straight since presumably Mullin would KNOW about his OWN staff. Therefore that would put an end to anything. If they didn't that is on them not the fanbase/rumor mill.
And what is he really saying, Gaffney really would have committed to a staff of Mullin, Matt A, Richmond and St. Jean (in other words the CURRENT STAFF) if not for the rumor that Rice would replace Richmond. He was so disappointed about a staff change that never happened it would have been better of no rumor happened therefore he still would not have the ability to play for Rice at SJU but would somehow feel more comfortable with the current staff at SJU as opposed to feeling comfortable with the same staff at SJU. Makes perfect sense.
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But what he is inferring doesn't make any sense. If the staff felt for 1 second that rumors about a potential staff move was impacting their recruiting they have the ability to pick up the phone and call the recruit and set the record straight since presumably Mullin would KNOW about his OWN staff. Therefore that would put an end to anything. If they didn't that is on them not the fanbase/rumor mill.
He wasn't really inferring anything. He was reporting a rumor - like the one that alleged that Rice was coming on board. A rumor spread BTW by the same poster who alleged that Matt A was bolting last summer for LSU, which rumor was the fodder for endless speculation last summer, because every summer we need to have long tedious conversations about assistant coaches, like the ones they have at dook and Kentucky and Kansas and all the other programs we pretend to emulate. Ed note: that was sarcasm.
Moreover - and perhaps this is where your inference implication falls short - Mullin and company wouldn't have known that Gaffney was butt hurt about rumors about Rice - unless Gaffney picked up the phone and called Mullin and staff and said 'Gee I was going to come there except I heard rumors about you on boarding Rice to corral my team mates and that made my butt hurt so now I'm going to Uconn.' All I hear about D Hurley - from you and others - is that he's a tireless worker who's a great coach and a great recruiter who would have been a great choice to replace stupid Steve Lavin. If that's the case losing a recruit to him seems not to have anything to do with what Mullin did or didn't do and everything to do with Hurley's hunger and skill. In which case Mullin should be lauded for getting as far as he did with Gaffney, he being lazy and Richmond being shiftless and GSJ being a teenager and Matic being a corrupt so and so and whatever else the rumor mill alleges.
Whether any of these rumors contained kernels of truth I have no idea. None turned out to be true. Re this recruit who I couldn't pick out of a line up, it seems a capricious reason to choose a college. But kids are kids, and especially these kids, comprising as they do the stupidest generation since cro-magnon man walked the earth and walked is me being generous, because they were barely upright. I wish him all the success Doug Wiggins had. Me, I'm looking forward to the season, which mercifully starts soon, so I don't have to digest rumors - you may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato - and interpret avatars and read the same regurgitated over blown interpretations of rumors alleging allegations of nonsense. I cannot wait until they roll out the balls already. I smell a sweet 16. Smells like victory. As usual, ymmv.
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Those who read the tea leaves on these boards have known for over a month that Gaffney wasn't happening. Bishop visited with Hatten once in the Spring and we overestimated his interest as fans there as well. Jaylin Williams was a shot in the dark late and Scottie became one of the hottest recruits in the country.
Honestly, I'm not on the ledge just yet for 2019. When I will be is if we don't land one of the stud front court targets of Aidan/Precious/Kofi. We're barren in the bigs department and 1/3 would have us realigned just fine for 19'-20'. Put one of them next to Keita and that's more than formidable.
Our backcourt situation is just fine for the coming years. In all honesty our biggest 2019 backcourt recruit is retaining Justin as a 5th year captain, face of the program. When Shamorie and Heron declare next Spring, Justin should be given the keys to the car. Plug in Mikey, GWill, LJF, Bryan and Wright around him we're still deep and talented. Add a 2019 surprise HS senior and a transfer after a successful season and I'm not complaining.
To sum it up, my position as of tonight isn't flummoxed by 2019 guards looking elsewhere right now. We could go 5 deep at PG/SG on paper 19'-20', 1 deep @SF (LJF). That'll solve itself over the course of a year.
My priorities right now are with Heron's eligibility, getting a marquee 2019 big, and having this current team gel in practice to the point of the entire city will be talking about this program all Winter.
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Those who read the tea leaves on these boards have known for over a month that Gaffney wasn't happening. Bishop visited with Hatten once in the Spring and we overestimated his interest as fans there as well. Jaylin Williams was a shot in the dark late and Scottie became one of the hottest recruits in the country.
Honestly, I'm not on the ledge just yet for 2019. When I will be is if we don't land one of the stud front court targets of Aidan/Precious/Kofi. We're barren in the bigs department and 1/3 would have us realigned just fine for 19'-20'. Put one of them next to Keita and that's more than formidable.
Our backcourt situation is just fine for the coming years. In all honesty our biggest 2019 backcourt recruit is retaining Justin as a 5th year captain, face of the program. When Shamorie and Heron declare next Spring, Justin should be given the keys to the car. Plug in Mikey, GWill, LJF, Bryan and Wright around him we're still deep and talented. Add a 2019 surprise HS senior and a transfer after a successful season and I'm not complaining.
To sum it up, my position as of tonight isn't flummoxed by 2019 guards looking elsewhere right now. We could go 5 deep at PG/SG on paper 19'-20', 1 deep @SF (LJF). That'll solve itself over the course of a year.
My priorities right now are with Heron's eligibility, getting a marquee 2019 big, and having this current team gel in practice to the point of the entire city will be talking about this program all Winter.
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More of the same in Johnny land. Pressure's on Mullin. Better produce this year or it's never going to get any better. Tough spot.
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Zach Braziller
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@NYPost_Brazille
2h2 hours ago
One thing I had heard about Jalen Gaffney. All the talk about St. John's hiring Mike Rice to land his AAU teammate, Scottie Lewis, hurt them here. He became an afterthought somewhat. They were initially in great shape for him. Just a theory someone connected suggested. #sjubb
Hmmm. Who started that rumor, where was it discussed interminably, and who is evidently to blame for Gafney to Uconn. Stay tuned, I'll be posting clues to the answer in my avatar.
I don't think he's right nor is he wrong. Gaffney was upset about being looked at as 2nd tier to the "Rio Trio" of Scottie, Bryan, and Aiden. It hurt them this spring/summer.
It some regards I think Jalen was the best at creating his own shot in others I thought he was mopey and too emotional which I'm really curious how that plays with Hurley bc he does not have patience for that.
As it goes for Mike Rice I'm not sure that helps/hurts in any way. What I think hurt overall is the school balked for too long which prevented Rice from being able to recruit his own guys while others were. My gut says Aiden to Louisville and Scottie to Florida btw.
I'm happy for Jaden though. He carves out his own path which he's been seeking and hope it works out for him. He's been a favorite of mine for a while.
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BTW-After he a quick twitter conversation with Gaffney's dad, Braziller took down the speculative tweet.