6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: we are sju on January 03, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
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I am going option 1. But option 3 will always be in play ;)
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Option 1 is fair.
Do sense that CM's staff will change a bit though.
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Option 1 is fair.
Do sense that CM's staff will change a bit though.
No Lovett and we are looking at 14 or 15 wins IMO. Could get ugly round here.
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I think it just means they have to take a bigger leap next year for me. I would have been OK with a NIT this year followed by NCAA next year especially with the recruiting class they have put together. If we fail to make NIT due to injury then I'm OK with that but still expect NCAA next year.
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Option 1 is fair.
Do sense that CM's staff will change a bit though.
From your lips to God's ears. They need a real staff, excluding Matt who does his job. The rest of them are romper room.
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Option 1 is fair.
Do sense that CM's staff will change a bit though.
From your lips to God's ears. They need a real staff, excluding Matt who does his job. The rest of them are romper room.
Find it funny that Mullin gets criticized but his top/ only recruiter seems to constantly get a pass when the lack of eligible bodies has been the problem this year?
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It's not just LoVett that the team is missing. There's no depth. No one to come in off the bench and score some points. We had one too many players transfer out. That's the staff's biggest mistake so far. However, the program does seem to be headed in the right direction. Owens, Yakwe and even Alibegovic have improved. But we need more from them. The BE is really tough if Depaul is putting up a fight in back to back games. No gimme on Saturday.
Also, let's not forget that there is a lot of time left in the season. The real season has just started, and the committee knows that we're not at full strength, but we've been strong overall when we have been. Just like they killed us with the 6 seed when DJ got hurt, they can judge us when we have LoVett and Ponds to go with an improving an Clark, Owens, Simon and Yakwe.
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Option 1 is fair.
Do sense that CM's staff will change a bit though.
From your lips to God's ears. They need a real staff, excluding Matt who does his job. The rest of them are romper room.
Find it funny that Mullin gets criticized but his top/ only recruiter seems to constantly get a pass when the lack of eligible bodies has been the problem this year?
Have you seen what's coming in next year? Recruiting isn't the issue now. Matt's fine.
Now have you seen the in-game coaching and adjustments? My point exactly.
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Exactly what in game moves and coaching genius was going to get us closer than 5 points to Seton Hall with no LoVett and Ponds? Seems to me that staff did an excellent job in playing with what we had.
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Option 1 is fair.
Do sense that CM's staff will change a bit though.
From your lips to God's ears. They need a real staff, excluding Matt who does his job. The rest of them are romper room.
Find it funny that Mullin gets criticized but his top/ only recruiter seems to constantly get a pass when the lack of eligible bodies has been the problem this year?
Have you seen what's coming in next year? Recruiting isn't the issue now. Matt's fine.
Now have you seen the in-game coaching and adjustments? My point exactly.
Other than the one game w/o Lovett where Ponds was hurt and or got frustrated and team kind of quit and stopped guarding I have not had a problem with the coaching this year. Great for next year but the depth problem is happening this year. Bad roster management. I guess that ultimately falls on Mullin but that is also Matt's primary area.
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Option 1 is fair.
Do sense that CM's staff will change a bit though.
From your lips to God's ears. They need a real staff, excluding Matt who does his job. The rest of them are romper room.
Find it funny that Mullin gets criticized but his top/ only recruiter seems to constantly get a pass when the lack of eligible bodies has been the problem this year?
Have you seen what's coming in next year? Recruiting isn't the issue now. Matt's fine.
Now have you seen the in-game coaching and adjustments? My point exactly.
Other than the one game w/o Lovett where Ponds was hurt and or got frustrated and team kind of quit and stopped guarding I have not had a problem with the coaching this year. Great for next year but the depth problem is happening this year. Bad roster management. I guess that ultimately falls on Mullin but that is also Matt's primary area.
The thing is you can't blame Matt because he is literally the only recruiter on the staff. Of 351 division 1 teams I'd guess we are the only one where 95% of the recruiting falls on one guy. Mullin should have hired another recruiter or a hybrid recuriter/X's and O's guy when Slice was let go.
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Option 1 is fair.
Do sense that CM's staff will change a bit though.
From your lips to God's ears. They need a real staff, excluding Matt who does his job. The rest of them are romper room.
What exactly has the staff (who I am not massive fan of) done wrong..?
The biggest issue from last year was the defense and it's massively improved year over year.
They were right there with Providence and then Ponds got hurt and they played a Top 20 team with out their two leading scorers and lost by 5pts...
I think the year has been a massive success so far considering the circumstances...
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Option 1 is fair.
Do sense that CM's staff will change a bit though.
From your lips to God's ears. They need a real staff, excluding Matt who does his job. The rest of them are romper room.
I think the year has been a massive success so far considering the circumstances...
Massive success so far is a little crazy. This team still hasn't beaten anybody better or even on the same level as them. I don't think it's been a failure or disaster by any stretch but also not a massive success when all 10 wins were over teams that are moderately to significantly worse than us.
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Massive success so far is a little crazy. This team still hasn't beaten anybody better or even on the same level as them. I don't think it's been a failure or disaster by any stretch but also not a massive success when all 10 wins were over teams that are moderately to significantly worse than us.
It'd be difficult under the best of circumstances to beat "anybody better" wouldn't it? By definition the "better" team beats the worser team most of the time, that's why they're "better." Of the four losses which did you expect to win? Missouri? I'll concede that as a winnable game that they lost. The others no. ASU is in the top ten, SH on the road, Providence without ML. The difference this year is that they've won the games they were expected to win, they've beaten as you describe them the teams that are "worse than us." That hasn't been the case for any number of years.
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Massive success so far is a little crazy. This team still hasn't beaten anybody better or even on the same level as them. I don't think it's been a failure or disaster by any stretch but also not a massive success when all 10 wins were over teams that are moderately to significantly worse than us.
It'd be difficult under the best of circumstances to beat "anybody better" wouldn't it? By definition the "better" team beats the worser team most of the time, that's why they're "better." Of the four losses which did you expect to win? Missouri? I'll concede that as a winnable game that they lost. The others no. ASU is in the top ten, SH on the road, Providence without ML. The difference this year is that they've won the games they were expected to win, they've beaten as you describe them the teams that are "worse than us." That hasn't been the case for any number of years.
I think you just disagree with me just for the hell of it at this point because I think we generally agree on most things with some minor differences.
Yes, we have failed to consistently beat the teams we are better than in year's past, but just because we have done that this year doesn't make the season a "massive success". If that is standard we are going by then we may as well go to the NEC or MAAC as we will never actually be good.
So far we've played two teams better than us. Arizona State and Seton Hall. Lost both as expected. Nothing wrong with that. Some would argue that competing with SHU for 40 minutes would be considered a success. Fine, I'm not one for moral victories and could also point out that the fact we let UCF hang around for 40 minutes is a failure to counter that point.
We've played 2 teams on our level, Missouri and Providence. One neutral and one at home. Lost both of them.
So 0-2 vs teams better than us, and 0-2 vs teams on our level. That is not a massive success.
However, the fact that we have actually beat the 10 teams worse than us does count for something and would be the reason I would equally disagree with somebody should they suggest the season has been a massive failure so far.
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Come on goredmen don't you know by now that only other teams are allowed to pull an occasional upset. We can never expect St. John's to ever spring an upset.as it is not in our DNA.
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Massive success so far is a little crazy. This team still hasn't beaten anybody better or even on the same level as them. I don't think it's been a failure or disaster by any stretch but also not a massive success when all 10 wins were over teams that are moderately to significantly worse than us.
It'd be difficult under the best of circumstances to beat "anybody better" wouldn't it? By definition the "better" team beats the worser team most of the time, that's why they're "better." Of the four losses which did you expect to win? Missouri? I'll concede that as a winnable game that they lost. The others no. ASU is in the top ten, SH on the road, Providence without ML. The difference this year is that they've won the games they were expected to win, they've beaten as you describe them the teams that are "worse than us." That hasn't been the case for any number of years.
I think you just disagree with me just for the hell of it at this point because I think we generally agree on most things with some minor differences.
Yes, we have failed to consistently beat the teams we are better than in year's past, but just because we have done that this year doesn't make the season a "massive success". If that is standard we are going by then we may as well go to the NEC or MAAC as we will never actually be good.
So far we've played two teams better than us. Arizona State and Seton Hall. Lost both as expected. Nothing wrong with that. Some would argue that competing with SHU for 40 minutes would be considered a success. Fine, I'm not one for moral victories and could also point out that the fact we let UCF hang around for 40 minutes is a failure to counter that point.
We've played 2 teams on our level, Missouri and Providence. One neutral and one at home. Lost both of them.
So 0-2 vs teams better than us, and 0-2 vs teams on our level. That is not a massive success.
However, the fact that we have actually beat the 10 teams worse than us does count for something and would be the reason I would equally disagree with somebody should they suggest the season has been a massive failure so far.
Oregon State, Nebraska, St.Joseph’s and UCF have the potential to be quality wins.
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If Lovett is not playing or practicing, why is he in Omaha if he is in fact there? Shouldn't he be soaking his ailing knee?
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Would someone explain the hardship injury transfer waiver rule?
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Option 1 is fair.
Do sense that CM's staff will change a bit though.
From your lips to God's ears. They need a real staff, excluding Matt who does his job. The rest of them are romper room.
Find it funny that Mullin gets criticized but his top/ only recruiter seems to constantly get a pass when the lack of eligible bodies has been the problem this year?
The head coach still takes the blame, as it's the staff he hired. The head coach has to take some initiative, too.
As, Johnny23 stated, we have a good class coming in.... Thanks, largely to Matt A. Frankly, I also don't have much of an issue with recruiting. I'm no fan of having two transfers sitting out, but recruiting has been sound.
My concerns lie with Johnny23's.
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Massive success so far is a little crazy. This team still hasn't beaten anybody better or even on the same level as them. I don't think it's been a failure or disaster by any stretch but also not a massive success when all 10 wins were over teams that are moderately to significantly worse than us.
It'd be difficult under the best of circumstances to beat "anybody better" wouldn't it? By definition the "better" team beats the worser team most of the time, that's why they're "better." Of the four losses which did you expect to win? Missouri? I'll concede that as a winnable game that they lost. The others no. ASU is in the top ten, SH on the road, Providence without ML. The difference this year is that they've won the games they were expected to win, they've beaten as you describe them the teams that are "worse than us." That hasn't been the case for any number of years.
I think you just disagree with me just for the hell of it at this point because I think we generally agree on most things with some minor differences.
Yes, we have failed to consistently beat the teams we are better than in year's past, but just because we have done that this year doesn't make the season a "massive success". If that is standard we are going by then we may as well go to the NEC or MAAC as we will never actually be good.
So far we've played two teams better than us. Arizona State and Seton Hall. Lost both as expected. Nothing wrong with that. Some would argue that competing with SHU for 40 minutes would be considered a success. Fine, I'm not one for moral victories and could also point out that the fact we let UCF hang around for 40 minutes is a failure to counter that point.
We've played 2 teams on our level, Missouri and Providence. One neutral and one at home. Lost both of them.
So 0-2 vs teams better than us, and 0-2 vs teams on our level. That is not a massive success.
However, the fact that we have actually beat the 10 teams worse than us does count for something and would be the reason I would equally disagree with somebody should they suggest the season has been a massive failure so far.
Oregon State, Nebraska, St.Joseph’s and UCF have the potential to be quality wins.
Those could end up being solid wins. But, those were expected wins. UCF also was playing without their starting backcourt when we played 'em.
We had some "upset" wins a season ago, as we beat Butler and Seton Hall at home. I'd consider those upets. I'd also consider beating Providence on the road a season ago to be somewhat of an upset (being it was in Providence).
I'm not expecting a win tonight at Creighton, but those are the type of upsets that I believe goredmen is alluding. A win tonight could end up being huge, and possibly springboard our season.
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Massive success so far is a little crazy. This team still hasn't beaten anybody better or even on the same level as them. I don't think it's been a failure or disaster by any stretch but also not a massive success when all 10 wins were over teams that are moderately to significantly worse than us.
It'd be difficult under the best of circumstances to beat "anybody better" wouldn't it? By definition the "better" team beats the worser team most of the time, that's why they're "better." Of the four losses which did you expect to win? Missouri? I'll concede that as a winnable game that they lost. The others no. ASU is in the top ten, SH on the road, Providence without ML. The difference this year is that they've won the games they were expected to win, they've beaten as you describe them the teams that are "worse than us." That hasn't been the case for any number of years.
I think you just disagree with me just for the hell of it at this point because I think we generally agree on most things with some minor differences.
Yes, we have failed to consistently beat the teams we are better than in year's past, but just because we have done that this year doesn't make the season a "massive success". If that is standard we are going by then we may as well go to the NEC or MAAC as we will never actually be good.
So far we've played two teams better than us. Arizona State and Seton Hall. Lost both as expected. Nothing wrong with that. Some would argue that competing with SHU for 40 minutes would be considered a success. Fine, I'm not one for moral victories and could also point out that the fact we let UCF hang around for 40 minutes is a failure to counter that point.
We've played 2 teams on our level, Missouri and Providence. One neutral and one at home. Lost both of them.
So 0-2 vs teams better than us, and 0-2 vs teams on our level. That is not a massive success.
However, the fact that we have actually beat the 10 teams worse than us does count for something and would be the reason I would equally disagree with somebody should they suggest the season has been a massive failure so far.
Oregon State, Nebraska, St.Joseph’s and UCF have the potential to be quality wins.
Wrong. Not even close either.
Oregon State is terrible. They will be an under .500 team in a very average Pac 12.
Nebraska is also terrible. They will be an under .500 team in a very average Big 10.
St Joe's is a mess and their best player didn't play against us and isn't coming back anytime soon. They'll be lucky to be .500 in a terrible A10
UCF could be an ok win but nowhere near a quality win. They too were missing their best player against us and they are trending to be a .500 team in the AAC.
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Option 1 is fair.
Do sense that CM's staff will change a bit though.
From your lips to God's ears. They need a real staff, excluding Matt who does his job. The rest of them are romper room.
Agree. Way more to in game coaching then drawing up an out of bounds play. Very little was said on the bench to players coming off vs Providence after they gave up easy basket after easy basket. We are not in every huddle the, but you guys see the same ones I see on tv.
If all the coaches applied for jobs at other schools, besides Matt who would get the same position at a different school?
If Lovett is out, bad luck for any coach . But coaches are paid to win games. 1985 was 32 years ago.
We definitely lose Ahmed . Probably lose either Lovett and ponds. Very easily could lose both .
Are we still up and coming?
Never should have fired Lavin when we did. We put ourselves in this mess. If Lavin stayed, the year after dom and Harrison wouldn’t have been as bad. Then we could have hired Mullin or someone else. Certainly not with slice as an over priced associate head coach. Whatever that man is he isn’t a coach. Our current top assistant having 0 experience is absurd.
To answer the orginal question, yes I blame Mullin. Buck stops at the head.
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Massive success so far is a little crazy. This team still hasn't beaten anybody better or even on the same level as them. I don't think it's been a failure or disaster by any stretch but also not a massive success when all 10 wins were over teams that are moderately to significantly worse than us.
It'd be difficult under the best of circumstances to beat "anybody better" wouldn't it? By definition the "better" team beats the worser team most of the time, that's why they're "better." Of the four losses which did you expect to win? Missouri? I'll concede that as a winnable game that they lost. The others no. ASU is in the top ten, SH on the road, Providence without ML. The difference this year is that they've won the games they were expected to win, they've beaten as you describe them the teams that are "worse than us." That hasn't been the case for any number of years.
I think you just disagree with me just for the hell of it at this point because I think we generally agree on most things with some minor differences.
Yes, we have failed to consistently beat the teams we are better than in year's past, but just because we have done that this year doesn't make the season a "massive success". If that is standard we are going by then we may as well go to the NEC or MAAC as we will never actually be good.
So far we've played two teams better than us. Arizona State and Seton Hall. Lost both as expected. Nothing wrong with that. Some would argue that competing with SHU for 40 minutes would be considered a success. Fine, I'm not one for moral victories and could also point out that the fact we let UCF hang around for 40 minutes is a failure to counter that point.
We've played 2 teams on our level, Missouri and Providence. One neutral and one at home. Lost both of them.
So 0-2 vs teams better than us, and 0-2 vs teams on our level. That is not a massive success.
However, the fact that we have actually beat the 10 teams worse than us does count for something and would be the reason I would equally disagree with somebody should they suggest the season has been a massive failure so far.
Oregon State, Nebraska, St.Joseph’s and UCF have the potential to be quality wins.
Wrong. Not even close either.
Oregon State is terrible. They will be an under .500 team in a very average Pac 12.
Nebraska is also terrible. They will be an under .500 team in a very average Big 10.
St Joe's is a mess and their best player didn't play against us and isn't coming back anytime soon. They'll be lucky to be .500 in a terrible A10
UCF could be an ok win but nowhere near a quality win. They too were missing their best player against us and they are trending to be a .500 team in the AAC.
So Nebraska, who is 11-5, and holds wins over Minnesota, BC and Northwestern, isn’t close to being a quality win? I don’t know if close means what you think it means. Nebraska lost by 1 point at Kansas. If they had won, they’d be 12-4. I’d say that makes them pretty damn close to being a quality win.
And as far as St.Joseph’s goes, I realize that they were missing a key player. So were we. And to your point. I agree that the A10 isn’t a strong conference. Why couldn’t St.Joseph’s win the A10? Why couldn’t UCF win the AAC? Neither are nuts.
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Massive success so far is a little crazy. This team still hasn't beaten anybody better or even on the same level as them. I don't think it's been a failure or disaster by any stretch but also not a massive success when all 10 wins were over teams that are moderately to significantly worse than us.
It'd be difficult under the best of circumstances to beat "anybody better" wouldn't it? By definition the "better" team beats the worser team most of the time, that's why they're "better." Of the four losses which did you expect to win? Missouri? I'll concede that as a winnable game that they lost. The others no. ASU is in the top ten, SH on the road, Providence without ML. The difference this year is that they've won the games they were expected to win, they've beaten as you describe them the teams that are "worse than us." That hasn't been the case for any number of years.
I think you just disagree with me just for the hell of it at this point because I think we generally agree on most things with some minor differences.
Yes, we have failed to consistently beat the teams we are better than in year's past, but just because we have done that this year doesn't make the season a "massive success". If that is standard we are going by then we may as well go to the NEC or MAAC as we will never actually be good.
So far we've played two teams better than us. Arizona State and Seton Hall. Lost both as expected. Nothing wrong with that. Some would argue that competing with SHU for 40 minutes would be considered a success. Fine, I'm not one for moral victories and could also point out that the fact we let UCF hang around for 40 minutes is a failure to counter that point.
We've played 2 teams on our level, Missouri and Providence. One neutral and one at home. Lost both of them.
So 0-2 vs teams better than us, and 0-2 vs teams on our level. That is not a massive success.
However, the fact that we have actually beat the 10 teams worse than us does count for something and would be the reason I would equally disagree with somebody should they suggest the season has been a massive failure so far.
Oregon State, Nebraska, St.Joseph’s and UCF have the potential to be quality wins.
Wrong. Not even close either.
Oregon State is terrible. They will be an under .500 team in a very average Pac 12.
Nebraska is also terrible. They will be an under .500 team in a very average Big 10.
St Joe's is a mess and their best player didn't play against us and isn't coming back anytime soon. They'll be lucky to be .500 in a terrible A10
UCF could be an ok win but nowhere near a quality win. They too were missing their best player against us and they are trending to be a .500 team in the AAC.
So Nebraska, who is 11-5, and holds wins over Minnesota, BC and Northwestern, isn’t close to being a quality win? I don’t know if close means what you think it means. Nebraska lost by 1 point at Kansas. If they had won, they’d be 12-4. I’d say that makes them pretty damn close to being a quality win.
And as far as St.Joseph’s goes, I realize that they were missing a key player. So were we. And to your point. I agree that the A10 isn’t a strong conference. Why couldn’t St.Joseph’s win the A10? Why couldn’t UCF win the AAC? Neither are nuts.
Teams that have no chance of finishing as top 50 teams are not quality wins. None of those 4 teams has a chance at being a top 50 team.
Nebraska isn't good. Their win over Minnesota was good, they beat NW last night when NW has been struggling and they were missing their PG who is their best player. Nobody is writing home about beating BC at home just yet.
Sure, anybody can got hot for a few days in March and win their conference tournament. However, St Joe's won't be in the mix for winning the A10 regular season crown which is a better judge of full-season success. And UCF sure as hell has no chance of winning the AAC regular season. Both teams would be lucky to finish in the top 4 of their respective conferences.
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See by the results of the poll that ST. John's fans pass the loyalty oath requirement with flying colors. Hail to the Yesmen!
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F*ck Lovett. Ready to move on from him permanently.
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F*ck Lovett. Ready to move on from him permanently.
Why you think he isn't really hurt?
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F*ck Lovett. Ready to move on from him permanently.
Oh, boo-hoo... please re-read your post. It's implicitly super selfish.
He's a kid. It's his potential career.
For you, it's just an entertainment. Relax. It's college basketball.
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IMHO, Something else is going on w/ LoVett... I saw him on campus last week and he was walking just fine. no limp at all... I asked him when he was going back $ he said soon... but the kid looked bummed out... if it is was only a tweaked knee u think he would be back by now especially with Ponds going down.
Tell us the truth or play ball Marcus... we need u NOW!
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F*ck Lovett. Ready to move on from him permanently.
I agree. Nothing but drama for 3 years.
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You guys are blaming the wrong person. This team should have more than 8 players. Staff gets 100% for Lovett's injury resulting in losses. They own this one. They created it.
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You guys are blaming the wrong person. This team should have more than 8 players. Staff gets 100% for Lovett's injury resulting in losses. They own this one. They created it.
They should have said goodbye to him last year and brought in a grad transfer. With Lovett here, no one of any value was coming on board to sit on the bench behind Lovett, Ponds and Simon.
Mussini leaving is another story. That has been really understated. Still not quite sure what happened with him.
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Many of you are sad puppies. Very shameful posts.
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It's option #3 for me.
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What other names does Baldi post under since there are 5 of "him". :).
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You guys are blaming the wrong person. This team should have more than 8 players. Staff gets 100% for Lovett's injury resulting in losses. They own this one. They created it.
They should have said goodbye to him last year and brought in a grad transfer. With Lovett here, no one of any value was coming on board to sit on the bench behind Lovett, Ponds and Simon.
Mussini leaving is another story. That has been really understated. Still not quite sure what happened with him.
LoVett has a knee injury. Unless the staff is straight up lying, which I doubt, the kid is out because he should be out. He has his future to consider, and any fan can understand that his health is what will determine is salary.
As far as not being able to find a grad transfer guard or forward, I stand by what I said over the summer when I predicted that the staff’s laziness would kill this season. There’s still time for me to be wrong, but there’s no excuse for not adding players - especially grad transfers. Maybe we couldn’t have convinced a star to come here, but I seriously hope no one is thick enough to believe that couldn’t have found a guard better than a walk on, or a forward/center better than the worst scholarship player we’ve ever had.
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F*ck Lovett. Ready to move on from him permanently.
Why you think he isn't really hurt?
Whoever misses this much time with a sprained knee? He was a gametime decision a month ago.
He's a good talent, but he's not worth the headache he's beought thus far. We could lose just as
much with a Geno Lawrence or Malik Boothe talent.
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F*ck Lovett. Ready to move on from him permanently.
What does Marcus LoVett owe you? If he’s hurt, he shouldn’t be out there. He’s got his livihood to consider.
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Without looking (and yeah, I looked) can anyone tell me how many points St.John’s scored off the bench?
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Lovett doesn't owe us anything. Not a thing. We don't owe him anything. What does he owe his teammates and his program?
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Lovett doesn't owe us anything. Not a thing. We don't owe him anything. What does he owe his teammates and his program?
I think we owe him a full roster of players.
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So, he's not playing because we don't have a full roster? it will be full next year and we'll see if he plays then.
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F*ck Lovett. Ready to move on from him permanently.
What does Marcus LoVett owe you? If he’s hurt, he shouldn’t be out there. He’s got his livihood to consider.
What does Mullin owe you? What a stupid thing to ask on a fan forum. If I was a better adjusted human being with my priorities in order I wouldn't care what a bunch of college kids did at all. But I chose to watch a dying program on channel 9 growing up and placed too much of an emphasis on sports growing up and now I'm here with you discussing some wussy's knee injury. Happy f*cking New Year.
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I couldn't help but laugh at your answer Marillac, because everyone on this site
could probably identify with some part of what you said.
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F*ck Lovett. Ready to move on from him permanently.
What does Marcus LoVett owe you? If he’s hurt, he shouldn’t be out there. He’s got his livihood to consider.
What does Mullin owe you? What a stupid thing to ask on a fan forum. If I was a better adjusted human being with my priorities in order I wouldn't care what a bunch of college kids did at all. But I chose to watch a dying program on channel 9 growing up and placed too much of an emphasis on sports growing up and now I'm here with you discussing some wussy's knee injury. Happy f*cking New Year.
Like why would you want him to play through an injury if it makes it worse and we can't have him later? This point of view is ridiculous.
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I chose to watch a dying program on channel 9 growing up and placed too much of an emphasis on sports growing up and now I'm here with you discussing some wussy's knee injury. Happy f*cking New Year.
When it was on channel 9 the program was thriving. As was Romper Room. Romper, stomper, bomper boo. Tell me, tell me, tell me, do. Magic Mirror, tell me today, did all my friends have fun at play? I can see Marillac and goredmen and marco baldi and celtic11 and hnk. Do be a doobee and don't be a douche be. And now it's time for milk and cookies.
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F*ck Lovett. Ready to move on from him permanently.
What does Marcus LoVett owe you? If he’s hurt, he shouldn’t be out there. He’s got his livihood to consider.
What does Mullin owe you? What a stupid thing to ask on a fan forum. If I was a better adjusted human being with my priorities in order I wouldn't care what a bunch of college kids did at all. But I chose to watch a dying program on channel 9 growing up and placed too much of an emphasis on sports growing up and now I'm here with you discussing some wussy's knee injury. Happy f*cking New Year.
Sadly agree. My brother missed out on St. John’s in the 80’s. He went to the university of Florida. Great college football, basketball, hot girls and no winter. Better to be a Tebow fan then a hater.
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Gotta love a forum that irrationally hates a kid for having a knee injury and not playing.
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Gotta love a forum that irrationally hates a kid for having a knee injury and not playing.
+1
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Per Zach B
Marcus LoVett (sprained knee) has been working out with trainers, but still not practicing. Remains day to day, per Chris Mullin. We'll see if he practices later today. #sjubb
Same old, same old
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Per Zach B
Marcus LoVett (sprained knee) has been working out with trainers, but still not practicing. Remains day to day, per Chris Mullin. We'll see if he practices later today. #sjubb
Same old, same old
At this point, wouldn't be surprised if he's already played his last game here
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Per Zach B
Marcus LoVett (sprained knee) has been working out with trainers, but still not practicing. Remains day to day, per Chris Mullin. We'll see if he practices later today. #sjubb
Same old, same old
At this point, wouldn't be surprised if he's already played his last game here
Suspect he comes back for MSG game v Georgetown. "Bright Lights" is nickname as I recall. :)
If he is hurt then everyone complaining about him not playing while sitting on their couch is pretty ridiculous. If something else is going on, then why continue the charade? Would think a guy of Mullin's staure would have little time for it. Especially since one more loss in BE and season is basically over.
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Per Zach B
Marcus LoVett (sprained knee) has been working out with trainers, but still not practicing. Remains day to day, per Chris Mullin. We'll see if he practices later today. #sjubb
Same old, same old
At this point, wouldn't be surprised if he's already played his last game here
Suspect he comes back for MSG game v Georgetown. "Bright Lights" is nickname as I recall. :)
If he is hurt then everyone complaining about him not playing while sitting on their couch is pretty ridiculous. If something else is going on, then why continue the charade? Would think a guy of Mullin's staure would have little time for it. Especially since one more loss in BE and season is basically over.
This is all about a legit injury, no structural issues & ML feeling confident enough to come back. Not sure what CM could do in this case.
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Per Zach B
Marcus LoVett (sprained knee) has been working out with trainers, but still not practicing. Remains day to day, per Chris Mullin. We'll see if he practices later today. #sjubb
Same old, same old
At this point, wouldn't be surprised if he's already played his last game here
Suspect he comes back for MSG game v Georgetown. "Bright Lights" is nickname as I recall. :)
If he is hurt then everyone complaining about him not playing while sitting on their couch is pretty ridiculous. If something else is going on, then why continue the charade? Would think a guy of Mullin's staure would have little time for it. Especially since one more loss in BE and season is basically over.
I obviously have no idea what exactly happened here, but seems obvious to me that the staff botched this one with how they handled it. If they had announced him as out 4-6 weeks or "out indefinitely" right after the injury I don't think there would be an issue here. What some fans may think doesn't matter, but if/when pro teams vet him and they see he sat out 6 weeks with a day-to-day injury that doesn't help the player.
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I am not supporting the move (not enough information either way but pro teams will understand he was protecting his future earning potential.
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Per Zach B
Marcus LoVett (sprained knee) has been working out with trainers, but still not practicing. Remains day to day, per Chris Mullin. We'll see if he practices later today. #sjubb
Same old, same old
At this point, wouldn't be surprised if he's already played his last game here
Suspect he comes back for MSG game v Georgetown. "Bright Lights" is nickname as I recall. :)
If he is hurt then everyone complaining about him not playing while sitting on their couch is pretty ridiculous. If something else is going on, then why continue the charade? Would think a guy of Mullin's staure would have little time for it. Especially since one more loss in BE and season is basically over.
I obviously have no idea what exactly happened here, but seems obvious to me that the staff botched this one with how they handled it. If they had announced him as out 4-6 weeks or "out indefinitely" right after the injury I don't think there would be an issue here. What some fans may think doesn't matter, but if/when pro teams vet him and they see he sat out 6 weeks with a day-to-day injury that doesn't help the player.
Per Zach B
Marcus LoVett (sprained knee) has been working out with trainers, but still not practicing. Remains day to day, per Chris Mullin. We'll see if he practices later today. #sjubb
Same old, same old
At this point, wouldn't be surprised if he's already played his last game here
Suspect he comes back for MSG game v Georgetown. "Bright Lights" is nickname as I recall. :)
If he is hurt then everyone complaining about him not playing while sitting on their couch is pretty ridiculous. If something else is going on, then why continue the charade? Would think a guy of Mullin's staure would have little time for it. Especially since one more loss in BE and season is basically over.
I obviously have no idea what exactly happened here, but seems obvious to me that the staff botched this one with how they handled it. If they had announced him as out 4-6 weeks or "out indefinitely" right after the injury I don't think there would be an issue here. What some fans may think doesn't matter, but if/when pro teams vet him and they see he sat out 6 weeks with a day-to-day injury that doesn't help the player.
That would also imply that Lovett doesn't want to play? What would that reason be? Or staff thinks he could or should play?
I know the NY Mets like to list guys as day to day and then they miss months so maybe a Queens thing?
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I am not supporting the move (not enough information either way but pro teams will understand he was protecting his future earning potential.
Perhaps, but there will be a ton of competition that Marcus will have to deal with when going overseas. He's a dime a dozen type player. If it's him vs another player, teams will invest in the guy that didn't miss 6 weeks of the season
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That would also imply that Lovett doesn't want to play? What would that reason be? Or staff thinks he could or should play?
I know the NY Mets like to list guys as day to day and then they miss months so maybe a Queens thing?
More that the staff didn't think the injury was this serious (and maybe it isn't) thought he could/should have been playing a month ago. I just think the whole day-to-day thing for over a month is what was frustrating about this whole thing
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Zach B
Source told me the Marcus LoVett injury is a sprained MCL in left knee. Chris Mullin said there isn't a set amount of practices he would need to return. #sjubb
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That would also imply that Lovett doesn't want to play? What would that reason be? Or staff thinks he could or should play?
I know the NY Mets like to list guys as day to day and then they miss months so maybe a Queens thing?
More that the staff didn't think the injury was this serious (and maybe it isn't) thought he could/should have been playing a month ago. I just think the whole day-to-day thing for over a month is what was frustrating about this whole thing
What would be Lovett's motivation for not playing?
Guys in the pros milking injuries I can understand, but a kid in Lovett's situation would make no sense.
Maybe naive but I really don't think there is an issue except with the fans who are frustrated. If school said 2 months would everyone have felt better?
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That would also imply that Lovett doesn't want to play? What would that reason be? Or staff thinks he could or should play?
I know the NY Mets like to list guys as day to day and then they miss months so maybe a Queens thing?
More that the staff didn't think the injury was this serious (and maybe it isn't) thought he could/should have been playing a month ago. I just think the whole day-to-day thing for over a month is what was frustrating about this whole thing
What would be Lovett's motivation for not playing?
Guys in the pros milking injuries I can understand, but a kid in Lovett's situation would make no sense.
Maybe naive but I really don't think there is an issue except with the fans who are frustrated. If school said 2 months would everyone have felt better?
Yes, that's my whole point. If the staff had said he would be out 4-6 weeks or even just "out indefinitely" then I don't think there would be nearly as much frustration surrounding this.
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LoVett looks engaged and like a leader on the bench. His teammates have shown no animosity about the situation whatsoever. Everyone, and especially him, has a right to be frustrated. But to skewer this kid's character for any of this is nonsense and wrong. There is no shrewd of evidence about this that suggests he can play right now.
Now, do I think we should be a bit angry about the staff's communication about the injury? Sure. But leave the player out of it.
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LoVett looks engaged and like a leader on the bench. His teammates have shown no animosity about the situation whatsoever. Everyone, and especially him, has a right to be frustrated. But to skewer this kid's character for any of this is nonsense and wrong. There is no shrewd of evidence about this that suggests he can play right now.
Now, do I think we should be a bit angry about the staff's communication about the injury? Sure. But leave the player out of it.
This!!
Though I guess being a Met fan has made me immune to complaining about how injuries are handled by the team..
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Take Ponds from Marillac and Mase
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
The player SJ misses is Ellison. Ironically he transferred (presumably) because he was scared to compete for playing time. Just goes to show.
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
The player SJ misses is Ellison. Ironically he transferred (presumably) because he was scared to compete for playing time. Just goes to show.
I do not miss him or Mussini. I miss Lovett
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
The player SJ misses is Ellison. Ironically he transferred (presumably) because he was scared to compete for playing time. Just goes to show.
I do not miss him or Mussini. I miss Lovett
Yeah I miss Lovett too, but with Lovett they have six players. Which is not enough players.
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Take Ponds from Marillac and Mase
I can't. My modus operandi is to choose a player that is under-appreciated, scapegoated, or just plain unloved and adopt him like a lost puppy or that hapless tree that Charlie Brown chose at Christmas.
Despite what Marillac posts - that ain't Ponds.
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
The player SJ misses is Ellison. Ironically he transferred (presumably) because he was scared to compete for playing time. Just goes to show.
Agree. We honestly miss both, but Mussini leaving for a pro contract in his home country is much more understandable than Ellison sitting out a year to play for the worst team in the ACC when he would have played 25 mpg here.
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
The player SJ misses is Ellison. Ironically he transferred (presumably) because he was scared to compete for playing time. Just goes to show.
True. He had length and wasn't defense adverse. Could have been very disruptive and interesting on the floor with Simon.
With the twists this season has taken, obviously I would be happy to have back any and all of the defectors. Sima too.
As an aside I've watched Kent State play twice this season. Adonis De La Rosa would look good to me right about now.
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
The player SJ misses is Ellison. Ironically he transferred (presumably) because he was scared to compete for playing time. Just goes to show.
Agree. We honestly miss both, but Mussini leaving for a pro contract in his home country is much more understandable than Ellison sitting out a year to play for the worst team in the ACC when he would have played 25 mpg here.
Why go play in The ACC when you can play for a last place team at Carnesecca Arena?
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
The player SJ misses is Ellison. Ironically he transferred (presumably) because he was scared to compete for playing time. Just goes to show.
Agree. We honestly miss both, but Mussini leaving for a pro contract in his home country is much more understandable than Ellison sitting out a year to play for the worst team in the ACC when he would have played 25 mpg here.
Why go play in The ACC when you can play for a last place team at Carnesecca Arena?
Good news: maybe he'll transfer to Iona, one of the best shittiest teams in America. He can look forward to losing to St John's for the rest of his life, like all the other losers Cluess recruits to your shitty MAAC program.
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
The player SJ misses is Ellison. Ironically he transferred (presumably) because he was scared to compete for playing time. Just goes to show.
Agree. We honestly miss both, but Mussini leaving for a pro contract in his home country is much more understandable than Ellison sitting out a year to play for the worst team in the ACC when he would have played 25 mpg here.
Why go play in The ACC when you can play for a last place team at Carnesecca Arena?
Good news: maybe he'll transfer to Iona, one of the best shittiest teams in America. He can look forward to losing to St John's for the rest of his life, like all the other losers Cluess recruits to your shitty MAAC program.
Nah these 2 teams won't play each other for another 20+ years. On the positive side, at the end of the season(March 7th)-at least St. John's can hang their hats on beating 1 tournament team this year
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
The player SJ misses is Ellison. Ironically he transferred (presumably) because he was scared to compete for playing time. Just goes to show.
Agree. We honestly miss both, but Mussini leaving for a pro contract in his home country is much more understandable than Ellison sitting out a year to play for the worst team in the ACC when he would have played 25 mpg here.
Why go play in The ACC when you can play for a last place team at Carnesecca Arena?
Good news: maybe he'll transfer to Iona, one of the best shittiest teams in America. He can look forward to losing to St John's for the rest of his life, like all the other losers Cluess recruits to your shitty MAAC program.
Nah these 2 teams won't play each other for another 20+ years. On the positive side, at the end of the season(March 7th)-at least St. John's can hang their hats on beating 1 tournament team this year
That would make 1 more than Iona has beaten in the last 5 years probably. Maybe they can stay within single digits of the next big conference opponent they play, but probably not
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looks like the marketing dept is playing a really cruel joke or is just totally out of touch with reality when creating/timing their ads
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSLtcpLWsAAJNyU.jpg:large
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
The player SJ misses is Ellison. Ironically he transferred (presumably) because he was scared to compete for playing time. Just goes to show.
Agree. We honestly miss both, but Mussini leaving for a pro contract in his home country is much more understandable than Ellison sitting out a year to play for the worst team in the ACC when he would have played 25 mpg here.
Why go play in The ACC when you can play for a last place team at Carnesecca Arena?
Good news: maybe he'll transfer to Iona, one of the best shittiest teams in America. He can look forward to losing to St John's for the rest of his life, like all the other losers Cluess recruits to your shitty MAAC program.
Nah these 2 teams won't play each other for another 20+ years. On the positive side, at the end of the season(March 7th)-at least St. John's can hang their hats on beating 1 tournament team this year
That would make 1 more than Iona has beaten in the last 5 years probably. Maybe they can stay within single digits of the next big conference opponent they play, but probably not
Ya probably not. It's nice to be invited at least once every 10 years or so though
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
The player SJ misses is Ellison. Ironically he transferred (presumably) because he was scared to compete for playing time. Just goes to show.
It seems to me that the common theme among the players who transferred was the belief that they were all better than they are. Ellison showed potential but let’s not kid ourselves, he was a lot of work away from being a legit BE starter or even rotation player. It is disappointing that he left because we’ve turned guys like into quality role players. We just haven’t done it often.
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Nah these 2 teams won't play each other for another 20+ years.
Right, and the Toledo Mud Hens don't play the Cleveland Indians very often either. Because one team's in the majors and the other's in the minors.
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. Ellison showed potential but let’s not kid ourselves, he was a lot of work away from being a legit BE starter or even rotation player. It is disappointing that he left because we’ve turned guys like into quality role players.
He was already a rotation player, he averaged 25 minutes a game last year. And as opposed to who's getting his minutes this year he's Bill Russell.
Question: in the off season when the walk on Holifield transferred you started an entire thread devoted to how much his loss was going to hurt to the program. Speaking of not kidding ourselves, can you explain why his loss was a detriment and Ellison's wasn't because he was a lot of work away from being even a rotation player?
Thanks in advance.
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. Ellison showed potential but let’s not kid ourselves, he was a lot of work away from being a legit BE starter or even rotation player. It is disappointing that he left because we’ve turned guys like into quality role players.
He was already a rotation player, he averaged 25 minutes a game last year. And as opposed to who's getting his minutes this year he's Bill Russell.
Question: in the off season when the walk on Holifield transferred you started an entire thread devoted to how much his loss was going to hurt to the program. Speaking of not kidding ourselves, can you explain why his loss was a detriment and Ellison's wasn't because he was a lot of work away from being even a rotation player?
Thanks in advance.
I didn’t say that Holifield was a loss and that Ellison wasn’t. I didn’t want either of them to leave. In regards to Ellison specifically, his departure was frustrating because we suffered through him learning the game and Pitt will probably reap the rewards. But like I said, he has a lot of work to do. Holifield wasn’t going to get serious minutes here unless our roster was decimated with injuries. But there have been games where we could have used him for 5-8 minutes to give Ponds or Simon a blow. I say this because we’ve played really well the last two games and in the last 5 minutes we’ve been unable to execute. I think it’s fair to assume that we were out of gas.
And to be perfectly clear, I never think it’s a good sign for a college basketball program when 6 players leave in one year, Or was it 7? I think I’ve lost count. Not a very good example of a staff that has control over their program.
They are both guys we could use now. Don’t you agree? Before you answer let me remind you that Amar Alibegovic is our second best ball handler off the bench.
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. Ellison showed potential but let’s not kid ourselves, he was a lot of work away from being a legit BE starter or even rotation player. It is disappointing that he left because we’ve turned guys like into quality role players.
He was already a rotation player, he averaged 25 minutes a game last year. And as opposed to who's getting his minutes this year he's Bill Russell.
Question: in the off season when the walk on Holifield transferred you started an entire thread devoted to how much his loss was going to hurt to the program. Speaking of not kidding ourselves, can you explain why his loss was a detriment and Ellison's wasn't because he was a lot of work away from being even a rotation player?
Thanks in advance.
Ellison was one of my least favorite players but he would have really helped this squad. He could play some point and free up Ponds for jumpers while spacing the floor better than Simon. I think his absence has a lot to do with why Ponds has struggled from deep this year.
Trading him and Mussini for Lovett and Trimble add at least two wins to our record already IMO.
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If this keeps up any longer I'm going to have start conducting interviews for the much coveted position of Carmineabbatiello favorite player. Mussini was my only backup to Marcus and he already left for the motherland.
Mussini gave up more than he made when he wasn’t playing NEC level talent. That’s because he’s an NEC level talent. Nothing wrong with that. I bet he coulda put up 20 ppg in the NEC. Somewhere along the way Mussini was rated as a top college basketball prospect. Clearly not by anyone who saw him play defense. If you recall, we were all pretty excited when we beat out Gonzaga for him.
Still, having him out there might have given us the zone buster off the bench that Trimble isnt.
The player SJ misses is Ellison. Ironically he transferred (presumably) because he was scared to compete for playing time. Just goes to show.
Agree. We honestly miss both, but Mussini leaving for a pro contract in his home country is much more understandable than Ellison sitting out a year to play for the worst team in the ACC when he would have played 25 mpg here.
Why go play in The ACC when you can play for a last place team at Carnesecca Arena?
Good news: maybe he'll transfer to Iona, one of the best shittiest teams in America. He can look forward to losing to St John's for the rest of his life, like all the other losers Cluess recruits to your shitty MAAC program.
Nah these 2 teams won't play each other for another 20+ years. On the positive side, at the end of the season(March 7th)-at least St. John's can hang their hats on beating 1 tournament team this year
You really are ONE BIG SWINGING DICK.
That's what she said.
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Ellison was one of my least favorite players but he would have really helped this squad. He could play some point and free up Ponds for jumpers while spacing the floor better than Simon. I think his absence has a lot to do with why Ponds has struggled from deep this year.
Wut
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Ellison was one of my least favorite players but he would have really helped this squad. He could play some point and free up Ponds for jumpers while spacing the floor better than Simon. I think his absence has a lot to do with why Ponds has struggled from deep this year.
Wut
Many or even most of Ellison's assists were Ponds treys. His shot also kept Lovett on the ball more which led to Ponds being able to spot up.
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Ellison was one of my least favorite players but he would have really helped this squad. He could play some point and free up Ponds for jumpers while spacing the floor better than Simon. I think his absence has a lot to do with why Ponds has struggled from deep this year.
Wut
Many or even most of Ellison's assists were Ponds treys. His shot also kept Lovett on the ball more which led to Ponds being able to spot up.
Simon is playing Ellison's role this year and is a far better passer than Ellison ever was. Simon is also better at driving off the dribble and getting into the lane, causing the defense to collapse. I think Ponds' shot is off because The staff has made him the primary ball handler when he's better suited off the ball. I think the game against SHU where Simon had to play point the whole game finally opened their eyes
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Ellison was one of my least favorite players but he would have really helped this squad. He could play some point and free up Ponds for jumpers while spacing the floor better than Simon. I think his absence has a lot to do with why Ponds has struggled from deep this year.
Wut
Many or even most of Ellison's assists were Ponds treys. His shot also kept Lovett on the ball more which led to Ponds being able to spot up.
Simon is playing Ellison's role this year and is a far better passer than Ellison ever was. Simon is also better at driving off the dribble and getting into the lane, causing the defense to collapse. I think Ponds' shot is off because The staff has made him the primary ball handler when he's better suited off the ball. I think the game against SHU where Simon had to play point the whole game finally opened their eyes
Simon is a better passer but Ellison has a MUCH better handle. Simon isn't setting up Ponds for whatever reason. He's kicking to Clark, Ahmed and others off 1-2 dribbles. Guys aren't cheating off Ponds to help because they WANT Simon taking it to the basket.
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I’d rather have Simon than Ellison. But,the departure of Ellison hurt a lot. He had nice size and could play the 1,2 or 3. I’d rather have Ellison than Mussini, more complete game. The departures are a huge concern. Hard to rebuild when you loose that many players not due to graduation.
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he's out again
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he's out again
Maybe he will be ready by Yanks home opener oh pinstriped one.
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@Marcus_LoVett
1h
1 hour ago
The last time I had this injury I was a freshman (RS) due to academics and I handle that well and came back and played last season now it happens again I'm going to handle it with ease again
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@Marcus_LoVett
1h
1 hour ago
The last time I had this injury I was a freshman (RS) due to academics and I handle that well and came back and played last season now it happens again I'm going to handle it with ease again
Yup sitting is easy
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At this point, he really should just get himself 100 percent ready for next phase of his life with professional career, even if that means sit rest of year. He is not going to change direction for this season at this point
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At this point, he really should just get himself 100 percent ready for next phase of his life with professional career, even if that means sit rest of year. He is not going to change direction for this season at this point
That's probably why he's been sitting out for so long.... To not hurt himself again nor his chances to play professionally somewhere.
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At this point, he really should just get himself 100 percent ready for next phase of his life with professional career, even if that means sit rest of year. He is not going to change direction for this season at this point
That's probably why he's been sitting out for so long.... To not hurt himself again nor his chances to play professionally somewhere.
Yup
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So are we to the point where we know he could be playing right now but choosing not to for individual reasons?
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So are we to the point where we know he could be playing right now but choosing not to for individual reasons?
Per Paultz's response (and what I've been sensing) that sounds like the scenario.
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Mullin has to take his lumps this year and without LoVett get guys ready for next year.. if kid is really sitting, just to sit, then the season has been over for quite some time.
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Also if this is the case, it shows what kind of program Mullin is running. One that is too Nba centric with the “ all about me” mindset.
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So are we to the point where we know he could be playing right now but choosing not to for individual reasons?
Per Paultz's response (and what I've been sensing) that sounds like the scenario.
I don't like making those assumptions/thinking the worst. But that definitely changes my perception of him and the situation if that's what is actually happening.
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You really are ONE BIG SWINGING DICK.
That's what she said.
Marco - WOW - you got TIS to post something on here - impressive - it was his first post in over 2 years.. LOL
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Per Zach B
St. John's guard Marcus LoVett (knee) didn't practice today, per source. #sjubb. His absence will continue.
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He's done. If I was a betting man, he will never play again for SJU.
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I've seen some posters mention the Nova game as the goal for months. Why didn't Zach ask CM how his meeting with the team doctor's went? He was supposed to speak with them after the DePaul nightmare.
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It does seem to be going that way. If he is really healthy and intends to play somewhere professionally next year how can this be helping him? Not sure why he would perceive this to be to his benefit.
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I've seen some posters mention the Nova game as the goal for months. Why didn't Zach ask CM how his meeting with the team doctor's went? He was supposed to speak with them after the DePaul nightmare.
He did. The doctors said Marcus who?
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Per Zach B
St. John's guard Marcus LoVett (knee) didn't practice today, per source. #sjubb. His absence will continue.
AND THE BEAT GOES ON
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You really are ONE BIG SWINGING DICK.
That's what she said.
Marco - WOW - you got TIS to post something on here - impressive - it was his first post in over 2 years.. LOL
Poor TIS, I drove him completely mad you know. Mad mad mad. He was forced to retire from moderating and thereafter faced several years of intensive counseling. Glad to see he's finally back on his feet.
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Per Zach B
St John’s guard Marcus LoVett had another MRI this weekend, per source, and saw doctor again yesterday. Nothing has changed with original prognosis. He can practice when he feels up to it, which has yet to happen. #sjubb
Issue clearly is ML does not feel he is ready, right or wrong. Staff very frustrated I would say, but nothing they can do
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Per Zach B
St John’s guard Marcus LoVett had another MRI this weekend, per source, and saw doctor again yesterday. Nothing has changed with original prognosis. He can practice when he feels up to it, which has yet to happen. #sjubb
Issue clearly is ML does not feel he is ready, right or wrong. Staff very frustrated I would say, but nothing they can do
Crazy. Anyone here think we would be looking 0-5 in the face?
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If MRI is negative and doctors say he can at least attempt to practice and assess the post practice response, and he continually refuses, they should consider pulling scholarship or at least not traveling w/ team, unless he is committed to returning to school next year and not playing us.
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If MRI is negative and doctors say he can at least attempt to practice and assess the post practice response, and he continually refuses, they should consider pulling scholarship or at least not traveling w/ team, unless he is committed to returning to school next year and not playing us.
One of the Boo Harvey's on these boards mentioned on Redmen about how Darryl Hill was cleared to play on his knee. How did he look? Again do not see any reasonable reason for him to refuse to play if not hurt.
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
I’ve asked to speak to Marcus LoVett about knee injury, but St Johns hasn’t made him available. His father hasn’t returned several messages. #sjubb. It’s an odd situation.
Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
He sprained his knee on Nov 26. Still isn’t practicing. He tells coaching staff he “feels good.” #sjubb. And yet there has been zero movement on his day-to-day status.
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
I’ve asked to speak to Marcus LoVett about knee injury, but St Johns hasn’t made him available. His father hasn’t returned several messages. #sjubb. It’s an odd situation.
Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
He sprained his knee on Nov 26. Still isn’t practicing. He tells coaching staff he “feels good.” #sjubb. And yet there has been zero movement on his day-to-day status.
Honestly at the beginning of this, I just assumed based off his past and things people have told me he was secretly suspended for missing practice or class. Guess that is not the case but at least that makes sense.
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I don’t follow this. Something is missing. LoVett says he feels good, but not good enough to play? Which is it?
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Could be an agent has gotten his claws into Lovett or his dad and is convincing them to keep the kid off the court
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Something definitely going on behind the scenes. Shame.
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In fairness Jerry Seinfeld used this strategy when he "chose not to run". It worked for him. Maybe he is giving Lovett advice.
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I was told by someone yesterday that dad is running the show, per Marcus's injury. How true is it? Who knows? But, based on Braziller's tweet and Paultz's response to my post on here a couple of days ago..... The pieces of the puzzle seems to be coming together.
If this turns out to be true, then that tells me a lot about our staff. I know you don't wanna hurt a player's chances of playing professionally, but I mean.... Really?
A couple night's ago, I was watching an episode of "Big Ten Elite" on (of course) the 'Big Ten Network.' The episode was about the '88-'89 Illinois (Flyin') Illini Final Four basketball team. Kendall Gill, who was on NBA exec's and GM's draft board, had a hip injury and missed 12 games. He actually came back to the court a lil earlier than expected because he wanted to play and (paraphrase) "help out his teammates," although he was "probably only at 85%."
Again, I don't know the extent of LoVett's lower extremity injury, but it's starting to sound like there's some milking going on.
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They said on the broadcast he is going to practice tomorrow, anyone find out if that's legit or not
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They said on the broadcast he is going to practice tomorrow, anyone find out if that's legit or not
Not legit