6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: we are sju on January 14, 2018, 11:02:28 AM
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This falls on Mullin as much as any coaching complaint but lack of talent and depth is the number issue here. We all figured Ponds and Lovett would carry us and Simon / Clark would be nice complimentary pieces. Lovett thing happened. Ponds had to carry too much of the load and his unorthodox outside shot got exposed. No one else was able to step up.
Here is my take on the players:
Owens-Great shot blocker and I do not mind him shooting threes because honestly someone has to on this team. Gets pushed out on the blocks which is why he is not a great rebounder. If he would be able to gain some weight he might have had a shot at one day playing in the NBA. At this point he really needs to put on more weight than would be reasonably possible. He would rebound better and be able to gather and either get fouled or finish down low. Honestly this most likely will never happen for him. Still with better scorers he can be part of the solution. One thing at this level he needs to do is understand that he is so long he doesn't need to jump to bother every shot. Be smart and use his freakish arms by going straight up and will cut down on the fouls.
Clark-nice stroke when feet are set but after Lovett thing 2nd biggest reason we are where we are. Rebounding has been embarrassing. No other way to describe. Thought we were getting Lamont Middleton not Anthony Glover sized Ron Rowan. If we are to be good next year he should basically have a slightly bigger role than he had on Michigan ST. Solid 7th man type. I thought he would have had much bigger impact for us.
Ahmed-Plays hard if not smart. If I am being really honest despite flashes his game annoys me more than anyone. Sometimes that happens that a certain guy's game just gets on your nerves. His is that for me. He is probably not as bad as I make him out to be but honestly will be glad when he is gone.
Ponds-Has a nice touch, great handle and good passer. Plays taller than he is and his drives are our offense. Not sustainable for such a little guy to play that way over 30 some odd games. Going to wear down or get hurt. I actually think he could play the point at the next level. I don't mean start or even ever play, but I think he can make a team. Shooting form is a disaster. Needs to deconstruct it and start over. I could see him going the overseas route developing a passable shot and eventually making the pros.
Simon- Because of Lovett thing tries to do too much and forces things. Obviously can't shoot and it is so bad I am not sure he will ever even be able to be an adequate shooter. With all that being said, like Owens with better talent can be part of the solution. Really good all around game. Probably my favorite player on this team.
Yakwe-Played better yesterday. Even his athleticism has decreased it seems. Unless pulls a Cain or Pointer his senior year hopefully he is not really part of rotation next year if we are to be better.
Amar-Not his fault he was forced to play minutes on BE team. Blame Lavin and Mullin. Seems like good kid and teammate. We will always have the Cuse game. Hopefully he will be remembered for that. People on here will have to hate someone else next year.
Trimble-Other than hit one out of every four threes mostly stands around. Just a frosh. Hopefully comes in and gets in better shape or will hopefully get lost in PT shuffle. Fans on here are so starved for shooters that when anyone actually hits a three every once in awhile they think that guy is some kind of great shooter.
In short need better players or we will soon be on our 100th rebuild with a new staff since Louie retired.
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We need basketball players. Not athletes that they feel 'might' turn into basketball players
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We need basketball players. Not athletes that they feel 'might' turn into basketball players
It is 2018. The fact that every basketball team in every league in the free world is built around shooting the three and our coach is Chris Mullin yet our best / only decent shooter is a 6-7 240 pound guy is pretty ridiculous.
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I'd rather have some basketball players as well as some freaky athletes too. J'Raan Brooks is a basketball player. Does a lot of the little things well. Chris Mullin was a basketball player and one of the best ever. I agree that infusing SJU with some high bball IQ guys in addition to the high flyers would serve this program well.
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We need a high major D1 coach and high major D1 staff. A band aid is replacing a lazy staff member. The only answer is to replace them all. There is no excuse for 0-6. Everything that has stood in the way of St.John’s winning games is on the staff.
Enough is enough. I’m not interested in waiting to see if Chris Mullin is willing to accept that he’s not cut out for this. The braintrust that hired him is pathetic. They have no idea what they’re doing, but at St.John’s should we expect anything more? This is what this institution is. One big red shit storm.
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We need a high major D1 coach and high major D1 staff. A band aid is replacing a lazy staff member. The only answer is to replace them all. There is no excuse for 0-6. Everything that has stood in the way of St.John’s winning games is on the staff.
Enough is enough. I’m not interested in waiting to see if Chris Mullin is willing to accept that he’s not cut out for this. The braintrust that hired him is pathetic. They have no idea what they’re doing, but at St.John’s should we expect anything more? This is what this institution is. One big red shit storm.
W/o Lovett talent wise what 1-5? 2-4? 0-6 not that far off. Team has enough talent that if they play hard they won't get killed.
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We need a high major D1 coach and high major D1 staff. A band aid is replacing a lazy staff member. The only answer is to replace them all. There is no excuse for 0-6. Everything that has stood in the way of St.John’s winning games is on the staff.
Enough is enough. I’m not interested in waiting to see if Chris Mullin is willing to accept that he’s not cut out for this. The braintrust that hired him is pathetic. They have no idea what they’re doing, but at St.John’s should we expect anything more? This is what this institution is. One big red shit storm.
W/o Lovett talent wise what 1-5? 2-4? 0-6 not that far off. Team has enough talent that if they play hard they won't get killed.
Hey you finally hit on what should be St John's basketball mantra and the rallying cry of it's fans IF WE PLAY HARD WE WON'T GET KILLED! We are St. John's! Rah rah rah! Let's go Johnnies! WE WON'T GET KILLED! we can't get killed you can't kill us nyah nyah nyah nyah!
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We need a high major D1 coach and high major D1 staff. A band aid is replacing a lazy staff member. The only answer is to replace them all. There is no excuse for 0-6. Everything that has stood in the way of St.John’s winning games is on the staff.
Enough is enough. I’m not interested in waiting to see if Chris Mullin is willing to accept that he’s not cut out for this. The braintrust that hired him is pathetic. They have no idea what they’re doing, but at St.John’s should we expect anything more? This is what this institution is. One big red shit storm.
W/o Lovett talent wise what 1-5? 2-4? 0-6 not that far off. Team has enough talent that if they play hard they won't get killed.
Hey you finally hit on what should be St John's basketball mantra and the rallying cry of it's fans IF WE PLAY HARD WE WON'T GET KILLED! We are St. John's! Rah rah rah! Let's go Johnnies! WE WON'T GET KILLED! we can't get killed you can't kill us nyah nyah nyah nyah!
Yeah so Danny Hurley or some other great coach that is not coming here would have a team with no inside scoring. 5 legit BE players. 3 untalented bench guys and really no outside shooting and have us at 4-2? Ok. Whether he can coach or not we need players. That is all I am saying. Then you can figure it out from there. But right now we do not have the depth or talent to be successful Ever thing else is nonsense at this point..
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Why aren't kids like Isaiah Washington, Jose Alvarado, Khalid Moore, Bryce Willis, Ty Jerome etc. even sniffing St. John's?
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We need basketball players. Not athletes that they feel 'might' turn into basketball players
It is 2018. The fact that every basketball team in every league in the free world is built around shooting the three and our coach is Chris Mullin yet our best / only decent shooter is a 6-7 240 pound guy is pretty ridiculous.
We have plenty of shooters. We don't have guys that can dribble to set them up. I don't understand why that's so difficult for you to see. Clark and Simon average a turnover every three dribbles inside the three-point line. It's a crazy team when you feel the second most confidence in a reckless kid like Ahmed handling in the lane. Clark, Simon, and Owens have no body control at all and their layups look like they are trying to smash an animal's head with a big rock. They have no chance of using a jump stop, slowing down, or changing direction.
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Why aren't kids like Isaiah Washington, Jose Alvarado, Khalid Moore, Bryce Willis, Ty Jerome etc. even sniffing St. John's?
Think that's more because the recruiting staff (aka Matt) doesn't show kids of this level enough love, thinking they should go after and be attractive to talent one step up, and then hope they are still around and interested in us as a fallback...
So far, that plan has not fully worked.
I'd like some consistency in roster with a some local talent wanting to play here mixed in.
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The sit outs will be good bump next year. Probably needed an Ellison or Mussini this year in addition to Williams. I'm convinced Lovett is gone forever and heard through some agent friends he's declaring for draft. I'd also be concerned that Owens will be a 5th year graduate at season's end. Will have to fend off poachers.
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We need basketball players. Not athletes that they feel 'might' turn into basketball players
It is 2018. The fact that every basketball team in every league in the free world is built around shooting the three and our coach is Chris Mullin yet our best / only decent shooter is a 6-7 240 pound guy is pretty ridiculous.
We have plenty of shooters. We don't have guys that can dribble to set them up. I don't understand why that's so difficult for you to see. Clark and Simon average a turnover every three dribbles inside the three-point line. It's a crazy team when you feel the second most confidence in a reckless kid like Ahmed handling in the lane. Clark, Simon, and Owens have no body control at all and their layups look like they are trying to smash an animal's head with a big rock. They have no chance of using a jump stop, slowing down, or changing direction.
Marillac , having met you I can honestly say you are a good guy and in the past I generally could see your point even if I didn't agree with it. So no disrespect meant when I say this year some of the stuff you are saying basketball wise is insane. Ponds thing has passed well into Carmine territory and your Simon hate is bizarre. He is clearly our 2nd best player. Flaws and all. Not even sure who could challenge that. A s far as shooting, UGH. Ponds is a very good player. Fun to watch and w/o him we might not score 25 points. He can't shoot. Statistically he is terrible and he also fails the eye test. Form is a disaster. Only guy whose outside shot I think can go in is a 6-7 guy who needs to be open with his feet completely set. I don't care if John Stockton and Magic Johnson's point guard love child came to play for us. No one is making this bunch good shooters.
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The sit outs will be good bump next year. Probably needed an Ellison or Mussini this year in addition to Williams. I'm convinced Lovett is gone forever and heard through some agent friends he's declaring for draft. I'd also be concerned that Owens will be a 5th year graduate at season's end. Will have to fend off poachers.
I like Owens, but he’s 22 and he still hasn’t added any muscle. He’d be a loss, but the guy we thought would be one of the best BE centers simply isn’t strong enough to stand his ground in the paint.
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love his game, and hope he stays but if there's a chance his minutes are going to go backward considerably with Keita and Brooks, you never know...I can see Tariq being a possible loss...
His dad always posts praise for the school, team and staff, even recently but in one post his dad responded when asked if he's coming back next year...
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Next year will be here before you know it and take care of it’s self. Haven’t even thought about next year to focus on this year. Like we do every end of the season. We will sit with the coaches discuss what’s best for #11
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Joe Girard III - Basketball player and shooter we need.
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The sit outs will be good bump next year. Probably needed an Ellison or Mussini this year in addition to Williams. I'm convinced Lovett is gone forever and heard through some agent friends he's declaring for draft. I'd also be concerned that Owens will be a 5th year graduate at season's end. Will have to fend off poachers.
I'm not all that excited about the two sit outs. I think both will be solid depth options for next year but not much more than that. There have been a couple high-scoring guards from smaller schools that have transferred to power conferences and haven't really been anything more than role players. Cane Broome from Cincinnati and Kory Holden at South Carolina come to mind. Keita is a big bruising guy we desperately need but he's another guy that's raw and can't throw the ball in the ocean from the pier. I fear that we will be expecting too much from them right away
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Why aren't kids like Isaiah Washington, Jose Alvarado, Khalid Moore, Bryce Willis, Ty Jerome etc. even sniffing St. John's?
Can they mend the bridge with Coach Arbs finally
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The sit outs will be good bump next year. Probably needed an Ellison or Mussini this year in addition to Williams. I'm convinced Lovett is gone forever and heard through some agent friends he's declaring for draft. I'd also be concerned that Owens will be a 5th year graduate at season's end. Will have to fend off poachers.
I like Owens, but he’s 22 and he still hasn’t added any muscle. He’d be a loss, but the guy we thought would be one of the best BE centers simply isn’t strong enough to stand his ground in the paint.
Dude is one of the best bigs in the conference. I'm not sure how you don't see that.
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Joe Girard III - Basketball player and shooter we need.
Very unlikely
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Why aren't kids like Isaiah Washington, Jose Alvarado, Khalid Moore, Bryce Willis, Ty Jerome etc. even sniffing St. John's?
Can they mend the bridge with Coach Arbs finally
Matt gets along fine with Arbitello, but not Mullin apparently. In fairness to CM, Arbitello is not exactly a day at the beach & has too big a hat size for a HS coach.
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Why aren't kids like Isaiah Washington, Jose Alvarado, Khalid Moore, Bryce Willis, Ty Jerome etc. even sniffing St. John's?
They weren't offered as nice a car, like the other ones you have accused?
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The sit outs will be good bump next year. Probably needed an Ellison or Mussini this year in addition to Williams. I'm convinced Lovett is gone forever and heard through some agent friends he's declaring for draft. I'd also be concerned that Owens will be a 5th year graduate at season's end. Will have to fend off poachers.
I'm not all that excited about the two sit outs. I think both will be solid depth options for next year but not much more than that. There have been a couple high-scoring guards from smaller schools that have transferred to power conferences and haven't really been anything more than role players. Cane Broome from Cincinnati and Kory Holden at South Carolina come to mind. Keita is a big bruising guy we desperately need but he's another guy that's raw and can't throw the ball in the ocean from the pier. I fear that we will be expecting too much from them right away
I think Dixon will help outta the gate, but I'm cautiously optimstic to what he'll bring. Keita is raw. There's a chance he's probably improved during his season off, but I saw enough of him from a season ago at South Carolina to know he's raw. Anyone expecting too much from him could be setting themselves up for disappointment.
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owens will be great at the 4 next year. Good touch and not as physically out matched.
Need a ball handler that can get into the lane and set up Ponds. Either you think his 38% on 200 attempts along with his highschool career as a shooter was a joke or you think the 17 games this year as the primary option are. Im going with slump.
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We need basketball players. Not athletes that they feel 'might' turn into basketball players
It is 2018. The fact that every basketball team in every league in the free world is built around shooting the three and our coach is Chris Mullin yet our best / only decent shooter is a 6-7 240 pound guy is pretty ridiculous.
We have plenty of shooters. We don't have guys that can dribble to set them up. I don't understand why that's so difficult for you to see. Clark and Simon average a turnover every three dribbles inside the three-point line. It's a crazy team when you feel the second most confidence in a reckless kid like Ahmed handling in the lane. Clark, Simon, and Owens have no body control at all and their layups look like they are trying to smash an animal's head with a big rock. They have no chance of using a jump stop, slowing down, or changing direction.
Marillac , having met you I can honestly say you are a good guy and in the past I generally could see your point even if I didn't agree with it. So no disrespect meant when I say this year some of the stuff you are saying basketball wise is insane. Ponds thing has passed well into Carmine territory and your Simon hate is bizarre. He is clearly our 2nd best player. Flaws and all. Not even sure who could challenge that. A s far as shooting, UGH. Ponds is a very good player. Fun to watch and w/o him we might not score 25 points. He can't shoot. Statistically he is terrible and he also fails the eye test. Form is a disaster. Only guy whose outside shot I think can go in is a 6-7 guy who needs to be open with his feet completely set. I don't care if John Stockton and Magic Johnson's point guard love child came to play for us. No one is making this bunch good shooters.
Best outside shooter on the team is Clark or Ahmed. Shamorie is not a classic or consistent outside shooter. He's capable but I agree with you he's not a great outside threat.
With so many penetrators on the team this year we could have used another guard like Mussini. He would have been getting wide open buckets.
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Why aren't kids like Isaiah Washington, Jose Alvarado, Khalid Moore, Bryce Willis, Ty Jerome etc. even sniffing St. John's?
Can they mend the bridge with Coach Arbs finally
Matt gets along fine with Arbitello, but not Mullin apparently. In fairness to CM, Arbitello is not exactly a day at the beach & has too big a hat size for a HS coach.
There are a lot of characters in the game and I'm pretty friendly with most but I have to say he's very difficult to like. All of that aside he carries very little to no weight with any player's recruitment.
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I hope we get Griffin for next year. We don’t usually get players from Stepinac.
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I'm not all that excited about the two sit outs.
You don't seem all that excited about anything.
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I'm not all that excited about the two sit outs.
You don't seem all that excited about anything.
Can't argue this one
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The sit outs will be good bump next year. Probably needed an Ellison or Mussini this year in addition to Williams. I'm convinced Lovett is gone forever and heard through some agent friends he's declaring for draft. I'd also be concerned that Owens will be a 5th year graduate at season's end. Will have to fend off poachers.
Probably the funniest item of the year, Lovett wouldn't get drafted if there were 4 rounds
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The sit outs will be good bump next year. Probably needed an Ellison or Mussini this year in addition to Williams. I'm convinced Lovett is gone forever and heard through some agent friends he's declaring for draft. I'd also be concerned that Owens will be a 5th year graduate at season's end. Will have to fend off poachers.
I like Owens, but he’s 22 and he still hasn’t added any muscle. He’d be a loss, but the guy we thought would be one of the best BE centers simply isn’t strong enough to stand his ground in the paint.
Dude is one of the best bigs in the conference. I'm not sure how you don't see that.
I’m a big fan of his. DePaul and Georgetown ate him alive. What I see is a guy who knows what he’s doing but isn’t strong enough to execute when he’s being guarded by the opposing team’s big man. It’s his only real weakness, but it’s a big one.
Sadly, I expect him to bolt. A grad degree from St.John’s isn’t worth much as much as a grad degree from the other schools to transfer to.
I really hope he’s happy at St.John’s, but here are two schools that could steal him from us: Syracuse and Uconn. I’m more afraid of SU. Boeheim is excellent at teaching bigs.
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Need players? I remember those early days when CM was hired and this board was openly talking about landing Cheikh Diallo, Rawle Alkins, Mustapha Heron, Naz Reid, Quinerly, Muhammad, Nick Richards etc.
Now we are in the middle of year 3 wondering why they didn't go after Jose Alvarado or why we aren't going after Joe Girard...
You know what maybe my expectations are too high. Perhaps a 3-15 year 3 followed by a 9-9 year 4 is reasonable...
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owens will be great at the 4 next year. Good touch and not as physically out matched.
Need a ball handler that can get into the lane and set up Ponds. Either you think his 38% on 200 attempts along with his highschool career as a shooter was a joke or you think the 17 games this year as the primary option are. Im going with slump.
His HS career? Yes I think last year was an outlier.
I like Ponds and he is a very good player. His form is a mess which helps explain his 18% 3 point shooting.
BTW I hit 425 as a Junior in HS. True story. My college coach didn't take that into consideration unfortunately. Wish you had been around to plead my case.
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owens will be great at the 4 next year. Good touch and not as physically out matched.
Need a ball handler that can get into the lane and set up Ponds. Either you think his 38% on 200 attempts along with his highschool career as a shooter was a joke or you think the 17 games this year as the primary option are. Im going with slump.
His HS career? Yes I think last year was an outlier.
I like Ponds and he is a very good player. His form is a mess which helps explain his 18% 3 point shooting.
BTW I hit 425 as a Junior in HS. True story. My college coach didn't take that into consideration unfortunately. Wish you had been around to plead my case.
Lol seriously?
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owens will be great at the 4 next year. Good touch and not as physically out matched.
Need a ball handler that can get into the lane and set up Ponds. Either you think his 38% on 200 attempts along with his highschool career as a shooter was a joke or you think the 17 games this year as the primary option are. Im going with slump.
His HS career? Yes I think last year was an outlier.
I like Ponds and he is a very good player. His form is a mess which helps explain his 18% 3 point shooting.
BTW I hit 425 as a Junior in HS. True story. My college coach didn't take that into consideration unfortunately. Wish you had been around to plead my case.
Lol seriously?
425? Yep
Got hurt Senior year but rode Junior year to D1 free ride. But didn't translate to good College pitching. Which was my point as it pertained to Ponds HS shooting.
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owens will be great at the 4 next year. Good touch and not as physically out matched.
Need a ball handler that can get into the lane and set up Ponds. Either you think his 38% on 200 attempts along with his highschool career as a shooter was a joke or you think the 17 games this year as the primary option are. Im going with slump.
His HS career? Yes I think last year was an outlier.
I like Ponds and he is a very good player. His form is a mess which helps explain his 18% 3 point shooting.
BTW I hit 425 as a Junior in HS. True story. My college coach didn't take that into consideration unfortunately. Wish you had been around to plead my case.
Lol seriously?
425? Yep
Got hurt Senior year but rode Junior year to D1 free ride. But didn't translate to good College pitching. Which was my point as it pertained to Ponds HS shooting.
Nice! Trick must be to get the kids who cant shoot well in high school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuwvD8oXRw
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We need basketball players. Not athletes that they feel 'might' turn into basketball players
It is 2018. The fact that every basketball team in every league in the free world is built around shooting the three and our coach is Chris Mullin yet our best / only decent shooter is a 6-7 240 pound guy is pretty ridiculous.
We have plenty of shooters. We don't have guys that can dribble to set them up. I don't understand why that's so difficult for you to see. Clark and Simon average a turnover every three dribbles inside the three-point line. It's a crazy team when you feel the second most confidence in a reckless kid like Ahmed handling in the lane. Clark, Simon, and Owens have no body control at all and their layups look like they are trying to smash an animal's head with a big rock. They have no chance of using a jump stop, slowing down, or changing direction.
Marillac , having met you I can honestly say you are a good guy and in the past I generally could see your point even if I didn't agree with it. So no disrespect meant when I say this year some of the stuff you are saying basketball wise is insane. Ponds thing has passed well into Carmine territory and your Simon hate is bizarre. He is clearly our 2nd best player. Flaws and all. Not even sure who could challenge that. A s far as shooting, UGH. Ponds is a very good player. Fun to watch and w/o him we might not score 25 points. He can't shoot. Statistically he is terrible and he also fails the eye test. Form is a disaster. Only guy whose outside shot I think can go in is a 6-7 guy who needs to be open with his feet completely set. I don't care if John Stockton and Magic Johnson's point guard love child came to play for us. No one is making this bunch good shooters.
Agreed.
Sounds like he stayed at a holiday inn last night...
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owens will be great at the 4 next year. Good touch and not as physically out matched.
Need a ball handler that can get into the lane and set up Ponds. Either you think his 38% on 200 attempts along with his highschool career as a shooter was a joke or you think the 17 games this year as the primary option are. Im going with slump.
His HS career? Yes I think last year was an outlier.
I like Ponds and he is a very good player. His form is a mess which helps explain his 18% 3 point shooting.
BTW I hit 425 as a Junior in HS. True story. My college coach didn't take that into consideration unfortunately. Wish you had been around to plead my case.
Lol seriously?
425? Yep
Got hurt Senior year but rode Junior year to D1 free ride. But didn't translate to good College pitching. Which was my point as it pertained to Ponds HS shooting.
Nice! Trick must be to get the kids who cant shoot well in high school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuwvD8oXRw
No but sometimes it doesn't translate. I don't care what he did in HS his form is terrible. Too many moving parts, and brings it up from low. Also never, ever squares up. Has to clean it up. 18% is not a slump. But truthfully even if shooting at a much better clip I would not trust his shot. Shoots like Greg Anthony used to.
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owens will be great at the 4 next year. Good touch and not as physically out matched.
Need a ball handler that can get into the lane and set up Ponds. Either you think his 38% on 200 attempts along with his highschool career as a shooter was a joke or you think the 17 games this year as the primary option are. Im going with slump.
His HS career? Yes I think last year was an outlier.
I like Ponds and he is a very good player. His form is a mess which helps explain his 18% 3 point shooting.
BTW I hit 425 as a Junior in HS. True story. My college coach didn't take that into consideration unfortunately. Wish you had been around to plead my case.
Lol seriously?
425? Yep
Got hurt Senior year but rode Junior year to D1 free ride. But didn't translate to good College pitching. Which was my point as it pertained to Ponds HS shooting.
Nice! Trick must be to get the kids who cant shoot well in high school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuwvD8oXRw
No but sometimes it doesn't translate. I don't care what he did in HS his form is terrible. Too many moving parts, and brings it up from low. Also never, ever squares up. Has to clean it up. 18% is not a slump. But truthfully even if shooting at a much better clip I would not trust his shot. Shoots like Greg Anthony used to.
See I said after first game his form has changed a little from last year. He fades and takes uncessarily tough shots. That is selection and a little laziness but I do not think he is a bad shooter. I dont think his form is anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be. Did kind of like your golf putter comparison. Maybe stick to those and get over your baseball career. We get it ;)
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owens will be great at the 4 next year. Good touch and not as physically out matched.
Need a ball handler that can get into the lane and set up Ponds. Either you think his 38% on 200 attempts along with his highschool career as a shooter was a joke or you think the 17 games this year as the primary option are. Im going with slump.
His HS career? Yes I think last year was an outlier.
I like Ponds and he is a very good player. His form is a mess which helps explain his 18% 3 point shooting.
BTW I hit 425 as a Junior in HS. True story. My college coach didn't take that into consideration unfortunately. Wish you had been around to plead my case.
Lol seriously?
425? Yep
Got hurt Senior year but rode Junior year to D1 free ride. But didn't translate to good College pitching. Which was my point as it pertained to Ponds HS shooting.
Nice! Trick must be to get the kids who cant shoot well in high school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuwvD8oXRw
No but sometimes it doesn't translate. I don't care what he did in HS his form is terrible. Too many moving parts, and brings it up from low. Also never, ever squares up. Has to clean it up. 18% is not a slump. But truthfully even if shooting at a much better clip I would not trust his shot. Shoots like Greg Anthony used to.
See I said after first game his form has changed a little from last year. He fades and takes uncessarily tough shots. That is selection and a little laziness but I do not think he is a bad shooter. I dont think his form is anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be. Did kind of like your golf putter comparison. Maybe stick to those and get over your baseball career. We get it ;)
You brought up HS I didn't. And have been posting on these boards since year 3 of Norm and that is first time I snuck 425 into a post. Was long over due
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owens will be great at the 4 next year. Good touch and not as physically out matched.
Need a ball handler that can get into the lane and set up Ponds. Either you think his 38% on 200 attempts along with his highschool career as a shooter was a joke or you think the 17 games this year as the primary option are. Im going with slump.
His HS career? Yes I think last year was an outlier.
I like Ponds and he is a very good player. His form is a mess which helps explain his 18% 3 point shooting.
BTW I hit 425 as a Junior in HS. True story. My college coach didn't take that into consideration unfortunately. Wish you had been around to plead my case.
Lol seriously?
425? Yep
Got hurt Senior year but rode Junior year to D1 free ride. But didn't translate to good College pitching. Which was my point as it pertained to Ponds HS shooting.
Nice! Trick must be to get the kids who cant shoot well in high school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuwvD8oXRw
No but sometimes it doesn't translate. I don't care what he did in HS his form is terrible. Too many moving parts, and brings it up from low. Also never, ever squares up. Has to clean it up. 18% is not a slump. But truthfully even if shooting at a much better clip I would not trust his shot. Shoots like Greg Anthony used to.
See I said after first game his form has changed a little from last year. He fades and takes uncessarily tough shots. That is selection and a little laziness but I do not think he is a bad shooter. I dont think his form is anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be. Did kind of like your golf putter comparison. Maybe stick to those and get over your baseball career. We get it ;)
Lovett shot a real jumper. And he was a solid shooter not great. Watch his form next to Ponds and tell me what shot gives you a better shot to be successful.
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owens will be great at the 4 next year. Good touch and not as physically out matched.
Need a ball handler that can get into the lane and set up Ponds. Either you think his 38% on 200 attempts along with his highschool career as a shooter was a joke or you think the 17 games this year as the primary option are. Im going with slump.
His HS career? Yes I think last year was an outlier.
I like Ponds and he is a very good player. His form is a mess which helps explain his 18% 3 point shooting.
BTW I hit 425 as a Junior in HS. True story. My college coach didn't take that into consideration unfortunately. Wish you had been around to plead my case.
Lol seriously?
425? Yep
Got hurt Senior year but rode Junior year to D1 free ride. But didn't translate to good College pitching. Which was my point as it pertained to Ponds HS shooting.
Nice! Trick must be to get the kids who cant shoot well in high school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuwvD8oXRw
No but sometimes it doesn't translate. I don't care what he did in HS his form is terrible. Too many moving parts, and brings it up from low. Also never, ever squares up. Has to clean it up. 18% is not a slump. But truthfully even if shooting at a much better clip I would not trust his shot. Shoots like Greg Anthony used to.
See I said after first game his form has changed a little from last year. He fades and takes uncessarily tough shots. That is selection and a little laziness but I do not think he is a bad shooter. I dont think his form is anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be. Did kind of like your golf putter comparison. Maybe stick to those and get over your baseball career. We get it ;)
Lovett shot a real jumper. And he was a solid shooter not great. Watch his form next to Ponds and tell me what shot gives you a better shot to be successful.
I thought Lovett was best shooter on team and better shooter than ponds with feett set catch and shoot situations.
FTR
"BTW I look at jump shots the way I look at baseball swings. You can be a great hitter w/o having a pretty swing but it is nice to watch a great hitter with a pretty swing. " -wasju
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The sit outs will be good bump next year. Probably needed an Ellison or Mussini this year in addition to Williams. I'm convinced Lovett is gone forever and heard through some agent friends he's declaring for draft. I'd also be concerned that Owens will be a 5th year graduate at season's end. Will have to fend off poachers.
Wouldn't Trump have to reinstitute the draft for Lovett to be able to declare for it?
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I hear that Lithuanian draft is looking real good for ML.
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owens will be great at the 4 next year. Good touch and not as physically out matched.
Need a ball handler that can get into the lane and set up Ponds. Either you think his 38% on 200 attempts along with his highschool career as a shooter was a joke or you think the 17 games this year as the primary option are. Im going with slump.
His HS career? Yes I think last year was an outlier.
I like Ponds and he is a very good player. His form is a mess which helps explain his 18% 3 point shooting.
BTW I hit 425 as a Junior in HS. True story. My college coach didn't take that into consideration unfortunately. Wish you had been around to plead my case.
Lol seriously?
425? Yep
Got hurt Senior year but rode Junior year to D1 free ride. But didn't translate to good College pitching. Which was my point as it pertained to Ponds HS shooting.
Nice! Trick must be to get the kids who cant shoot well in high school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuwvD8oXRw
No but sometimes it doesn't translate. I don't care what he did in HS his form is terrible. Too many moving parts, and brings it up from low. Also never, ever squares up. Has to clean it up. 18% is not a slump. But truthfully even if shooting at a much better clip I would not trust his shot. Shoots like Greg Anthony used to.
See I said after first game his form has changed a little from last year. He fades and takes uncessarily tough shots. That is selection and a little laziness but I do not think he is a bad shooter. I dont think his form is anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be. Did kind of like your golf putter comparison. Maybe stick to those and get over your baseball career. We get it ;)
Lovett shot a real jumper. And he was a solid shooter not great. Watch his form next to Ponds and tell me what shot gives you a better shot to be successful.
I thought Lovett was best shooter on team and better shooter than ponds with feett set catch and shoot situations.
FTR
"BTW I look at jump shots the way I look at baseball swings. You can be a great hitter w/o having a pretty swing but it is nice to watch a great hitter with a pretty swing. "
Jalen Rose became a very good shooter with bad form. It just makes things harder though. It is not as much the form as it is the drifting on the shot and the moving parts. He has to simplify it. Again I like Ponds and very good player. Just don't trust his shot. Unfortunately 82% of the time I have good reason not to.
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He's 4 of 32 in BE play so far...
12.5%
Ouch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He's 4 of 32 in BE play so far...
12.5%
Ouch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Approaching AliB territory. What is the Mendoza line for 3 pt shooting in basketball? 20%?
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Unlike HS Ponds is not squaring up and he is drifting. Hard to believe CM cant fix this.
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He's down to 17.1% from 3 (11/64), over his last 4 games he's hit 2 of 25 from downtown. Whatever the mechanical flaw, he should really stop shooting long range shots and fix his form in the offseason. The staff should be realizing these numbers and telling him to operate inside the arc until further notice. At the very least start shooting inside and work himself out. Numbers aside the kid loves putting on the uniform, plays hurt and is a winner.
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Griffin or Newell grab for next year with O’Toole or Rice added to staff
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He's down to 17.1% from 3 (11/64), over his last 4 games he's hit 2 of 25 from downtown. Whatever the mechanical flaw, he should really stop shooting long range shots and fix his form in the offseason. The staff should be realizing these numbers and telling him to operate inside the arc until further notice. At the very least start shooting inside and work himself out. Numbers aside the kid loves putting on the uniform, plays hurt and is a winner.
Could work in the pros, but tough to only shoot inside the arc in college as a guard. He can't just drive all game. Teams not going to just let him shoot open 15 foot jumpers
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We need a high major D1 coach and high major D1 staff. A band aid is replacing a lazy staff member. The only answer is to replace them all. There is no excuse for 0-6. Everything that has stood in the way of St.John’s winning games is on the staff.
Enough is enough. I’m not interested in waiting to see if Chris Mullin is willing to accept that he’s not cut out for this. The braintrust that hired him is pathetic. They have no idea what they’re doing, but at St.John’s should we expect anything more? This is what this institution is. One big red shit storm.
Yes
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We need a high major D1 coach and high major D1 staff. A band aid is replacing a lazy staff member. The only answer is to replace them all. There is no excuse for 0-6. Everything that has stood in the way of St.John’s winning games is on the staff.
Enough is enough. I’m not interested in waiting to see if Chris Mullin is willing to accept that he’s not cut out for this. The braintrust that hired him is pathetic. They have no idea what they’re doing, but at St.John’s should we expect anything more? This is what this institution is. One big red shit storm.
No! Completely incorrect. That is so short-term focused. You are being facetious?
If you send the staff away, all the players leave next year, and the program probably never bounces back. Simple as that.
Even if you are absolutely disgusted with coaching, or the on the court performance despite having such a short-handed team.... A fan must absolutely root for Mullin this year and next , to come back, bring all the recruits in, and let him go to fight on equal footing next year with a full team.
It doesn't matter that year got blown. We all know it. So the only focus has to be on next year. Bring back all or most of coaching staff next year, bring in all recruits, and play some ball.
This team took #1 Nova deep in a game; took Az St. deep in a game. Yes, they blew some easier games; but just those two games alone show that these kids can play. They just need a little more help.
Yes, criticize coaching, or player choices on the court....but a lot of the kids can really play. It's so freagn' close to coming together... can't you see that?
If staff leaves, and it might be another five to eight years before the team is in the same spot. I really don't want to wait eight years? do you?
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We need a high major D1 coach and high major D1 staff. A band aid is replacing a lazy staff member. The only answer is to replace them all. There is no excuse for 0-6. Everything that has stood in the way of St.John’s winning games is on the staff.
Enough is enough. I’m not interested in waiting to see if Chris Mullin is willing to accept that he’s not cut out for this. The braintrust that hired him is pathetic. They have no idea what they’re doing, but at St.John’s should we expect anything more? This is what this institution is. One big red shit storm.
Yes
No and no for both of you.
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We need a high major D1 coach and high major D1 staff. A band aid is replacing a lazy staff member. The only answer is to replace them all. There is no excuse for 0-6. Everything that has stood in the way of St.John’s winning games is on the staff.
Enough is enough. I’m not interested in waiting to see if Chris Mullin is willing to accept that he’s not cut out for this. The braintrust that hired him is pathetic. They have no idea what they’re doing, but at St.John’s should we expect anything more? This is what this institution is. One big red shit storm.
Yes
No and no for both of you.
Why should he be retained as coach? What has he done that has earned him that as a coach?
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I believe we'll improve next year, but if they don't, i still dint see him leaving unless there is a really low contract buyout clause or similar.
All the $ saved can go into CA seatbacks
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We need basketball players. Not athletes that they feel 'might' turn into basketball players
It is 2018. The fact that every basketball team in every league in the free world is built around shooting the three and our coach is Chris Mullin yet our best / only decent shooter is a 6-7 240 pound guy is pretty ridiculous.
We have plenty of shooters. We don't have guys that can dribble to set them up. I don't understand why that's so difficult for you to see. Clark and Simon average a turnover every three dribbles inside the three-point line. It's a crazy team when you feel the second most confidence in a reckless kid like Ahmed handling in the lane. Clark, Simon, and Owens have no body control at all and their layups look like they are trying to smash an animal's head with a big rock. They have no chance of using a jump stop, slowing down, or changing direction.
Marillac , having met you I can honestly say you are a good guy and in the past I generally could see your point even if I didn't agree with it. So no disrespect meant when I say this year some of the stuff you are saying basketball wise is insane. Ponds thing has passed well into Carmine territory and your Simon hate is bizarre. He is clearly our 2nd best player. Flaws and all. Not even sure who could challenge that. A s far as shooting, UGH. Ponds is a very good player. Fun to watch and w/o him we might not score 25 points. He can't shoot. Statistically he is terrible and he also fails the eye test. Form is a disaster. Only guy whose outside shot I think can go in is a 6-7 guy who needs to be open with his feet completely set. I don't care if John Stockton and Magic Johnson's point guard love child came to play for us. No one is making this bunch good shooters.
Ponds just dropped 37 pts on over 50% shooting on the #1 team in the country. He did so being the only player on the team that can dribble the basketball, being forced to cover a future NBA player, and being required to be our best rebounder. His shooting mechanics are fine and his release is perfect. He front rims a lot of shots because he has no legs playing the entire game and carrying 4 dudes who can't control their bodies at all. It's a really bad sign when Ahmed is the second best dribbler inside the three point line.
Simon, Clark, and Owens take layups like they are trying to smash an animal's head with a large rock. None of those guys are capable of changing their pace or direction, utilizing a jump stop, or making a shot fake in the lane. Simon and Clark look like they are trying to throw a javelin 100 yards when they take "floaters."
Ponds just scored at will on Nova the second half and it wasn't enough because he made the mistake of passing the ball. Three times he had to get the ball back when Simon tried give it away. I think Simon's mistakes are so puzzling they catch teams off guard and his teammates are able to get it back.
Clark is shooting 43.8% on 4.1 attempts
Lovett was shooting 38.5% on 5.6 attempts
Ahmed is shooting 36% on 4.2 attempts
Owens is shooting 33.3% on 1.0 attempts
Trimble is shooting 30.0% on 2.4 attempts
Simon is shooting 50.0% on .7 attempts
And Ponds shot 38% last year on 6 attempts and has to be guarded at all
times this year regardless of his % (made three shots with his foot on the line at Nova). We're not losing because we can't shoot. We can't dribble.
Dwight Hardy shot 35.4% on 5.3 attempts when we made the tournament and he was universally considered oirnbest shooter then.
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We need basketball players. Not athletes that they feel 'might' turn into basketball players
It is 2018. The fact that every basketball team in every league in the free world is built around shooting the three and our coach is Chris Mullin yet our best / only decent shooter is a 6-7 240 pound guy is pretty ridiculous.
We have plenty of shooters. We don't have guys that can dribble to set them up. I don't understand why that's so difficult for you to see. Clark and Simon average a turnover every three dribbles inside the three-point line. It's a crazy team when you feel the second most confidence in a reckless kid like Ahmed handling in the lane. Clark, Simon, and Owens have no body control at all and their layups look like they are trying to smash an animal's head with a big rock. They have no chance of using a jump stop, slowing down, or changing direction.
Marillac , having met you I can honestly say you are a good guy and in the past I generally could see your point even if I didn't agree with it. So no disrespect meant when I say this year some of the stuff you are saying basketball wise is insane. Ponds thing has passed well into Carmine territory and your Simon hate is bizarre. He is clearly our 2nd best player. Flaws and all. Not even sure who could challenge that. A s far as shooting, UGH. Ponds is a very good player. Fun to watch and w/o him we might not score 25 points. He can't shoot. Statistically he is terrible and he also fails the eye test. Form is a disaster. Only guy whose outside shot I think can go in is a 6-7 guy who needs to be open with his feet completely set. I don't care if John Stockton and Magic Johnson's point guard love child came to play for us. No one is making this bunch good shooters.
Ponds just dropped 37 pts on over 50% shooting on the #1 team in the country. He did so being the only player on the team that can dribble the basketball, being forced to cover a future NBA player, and being required to be our best rebounder. His shooting mechanics are fine and his release is perfect. He front rims a lot of shots because he has no legs playing the entire game and carrying 4 dudes who can't control their bodies at all. It's a really bad sign when Ahmed is the second best dribbler inside the three point line.
Simon, Clark, and Owens take layups like they are trying to smash an animal's head with a large rock. None of those guys are capable of changing their pace or direction, utilizing a jump stop, or making a shot fake in the lane. Simon and Clark look like they are trying to throw a javelin 100 yards when they take "floaters."
Ponds just scored at will on Nova the second half and it wasn't enough because he made the mistake of passing the ball. Three times he had to get the ball back when Simon tried give it away. I think Simon's mistakes are so puzzling they catch teams off guard and his teammates are able to get it back.
Clark is shooting 43.8% on 4.1 attempts
Lovett was shooting 38.5% on 5.6 attempts
Ahmed is shooting 36% on 4.2 attempts
Owens is shooting 33.3% on 1.0 attempts
Trimble is shooting 30.0% on 2.4 attempts
Simon is shooting 50.0% on .7 attempts
And Ponds shot 38% last year on 6 attempts and has to be guarded at all
times this year regardless of his % (made three shots with his foot on the line at Nova). We're not losing because we can't shoot. We can't dribble.
Dwight Hardy shot 35.4% on 5.3 attempts when we made the tournament and he was universally considered oirnbest shooter then.
He is shooting 18% on threes.
Yes on all other shots he is a dynamic player.
For the last time Simon is a very good ballhandler.
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We need a high major D1 coach and high major D1 staff. A band aid is replacing a lazy staff member. The only answer is to replace them all. There is no excuse for 0-6. Everything that has stood in the way of St.John’s winning games is on the staff.
Enough is enough. I’m not interested in waiting to see if Chris Mullin is willing to accept that he’s not cut out for this. The braintrust that hired him is pathetic. They have no idea what they’re doing, but at St.John’s should we expect anything more? This is what this institution is. One big red shit storm.
Yes
No and no for both of you.
Why should he be retained as coach? What has he done that has earned him that as a coach?
He's shown that he's not a great or very good coach and that is all. We don't have enough skill on the roster right now. Trimble is terrified to bounce the ball at all. Simon and Clarke are basically automatic turnovers after the second bounce in traffic and Ahmed can't pass to save his life.
This is the worst ball-handling team I've ever seen. How do you overcome that? That falls on the staff for having to rely on a schmuck like Lovett, but they've already learned that lesson and have Dixon and Williams for next season with a ship to give. I think we're around 14 wins if we had a capable backup caliber PG.
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Simon is dynamic and i like him (minus his shot mechanics) but he has been sloppy& lazy with ball when passing more than a few times....part of ball handling
Compare that to Nova's crisp passing
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We need basketball players. Not athletes that they feel 'might' turn into basketball players
It is 2018. The fact that every basketball team in every league in the free world is built around shooting the three and our coach is Chris Mullin yet our best / only decent shooter is a 6-7 240 pound guy is pretty ridiculous.
We have plenty of shooters. We don't have guys that can dribble to set them up. I don't understand why that's so difficult for you to see. Clark and Simon average a turnover every three dribbles inside the three-point line. It's a crazy team when you feel the second most confidence in a reckless kid like Ahmed handling in the lane. Clark, Simon, and Owens have no body control at all and their layups look like they are trying to smash an animal's head with a big rock. They have no chance of using a jump stop, slowing down, or changing direction.
Marillac , having met you I can honestly say you are a good guy and in the past I generally could see your point even if I didn't agree with it. So no disrespect meant when I say this year some of the stuff you are saying basketball wise is insane. Ponds thing has passed well into Carmine territory and your Simon hate is bizarre. He is clearly our 2nd best player. Flaws and all. Not even sure who could challenge that. A s far as shooting, UGH. Ponds is a very good player. Fun to watch and w/o him we might not score 25 points. He can't shoot. Statistically he is terrible and he also fails the eye test. Form is a disaster. Only guy whose outside shot I think can go in is a 6-7 guy who needs to be open with his feet completely set. I don't care if John Stockton and Magic Johnson's point guard love child came to play for us. No one is making this bunch good shooters.
Ponds just dropped 37 pts on over 50% shooting on the #1 team in the country. He did so being the only player on the team that can dribble the basketball, being forced to cover a future NBA player, and being required to be our best rebounder. His shooting mechanics are fine and his release is perfect. He front rims a lot of shots because he has no legs playing the entire game and carrying 4 dudes who can't control their bodies at all. It's a really bad sign when Ahmed is the second best dribbler inside the three point line.
Simon, Clark, and Owens take layups like they are trying to smash an animal's head with a large rock. None of those guys are capable of changing their pace or direction, utilizing a jump stop, or making a shot fake in the lane. Simon and Clark look like they are trying to throw a javelin 100 yards when they take "floaters."
Ponds just scored at will on Nova the second half and it wasn't enough because he made the mistake of passing the ball. Three times he had to get the ball back when Simon tried give it away. I think Simon's mistakes are so puzzling they catch teams off guard and his teammates are able to get it back.
Clark is shooting 43.8% on 4.1 attempts
Lovett was shooting 38.5% on 5.6 attempts
Ahmed is shooting 36% on 4.2 attempts
Owens is shooting 33.3% on 1.0 attempts
Trimble is shooting 30.0% on 2.4 attempts
Simon is shooting 50.0% on .7 attempts
And Ponds shot 38% last year on 6 attempts and has to be guarded at all
times this year regardless of his % (made three shots with his foot on the line at Nova). We're not losing because we can't shoot. We can't dribble.
Dwight Hardy shot 35.4% on 5.3 attempts when we made the tournament and he was universally considered oirnbest shooter then.
He is shooting 18% on threes.
Yes on all other shots he is a dynamic player.
For the last time Simon is a very good ballhandler.
Simon is a four. He looks terrible when he can't physically outclass his opponent. His skill level so very low.
When was the last time you saw Ponds take two set treys in a game? I always broke down my players' shooting %s to make things clear to them. Good shooters like Ponds can hit 50% of set shots taken in rhythm without hesitation. The same kids shoo between 15-22% off the bounce. Very rarely can a kid make more than 1/4. Certain kids should never be allowed to shoot off the bounce, others only enough keep defenses honest -- the basketball equivalent of a high inside fastball. Ponds never gets set shots. Clark does. Ahmed does.
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We need a high major D1 coach and high major D1 staff. A band aid is replacing a lazy staff member. The only answer is to replace them all. There is no excuse for 0-6. Everything that has stood in the way of St.John’s winning games is on the staff.
Enough is enough. I’m not interested in waiting to see if Chris Mullin is willing to accept that he’s not cut out for this. The braintrust that hired him is pathetic. They have no idea what they’re doing, but at St.John’s should we expect anything more? This is what this institution is. One big red shit storm.
Yes
No and no for both of you.
Why should he be retained as coach? What has he done that has earned him that as a coach?
He hasn't earned it. We all know that.
But is canning him the better bet? I doubt it.
I'm sure the AD and school doubts it as well.
So I'm sure I'd win a bet that if you want make one that he comes back.
But, repeating myself, like everyone else does on this board:
The best best for potential positive returns, is to see what the staff can do with a full roster.
There have been times of pretty basketball this season. Played #1 Nova and Az St. close.
Next year's roster looks balanced and more promising.
Why fire Mullin? It'd just be out of spite - and the wrong decision.
You get upside / optionality of it turning around next year!
What's the big deal of waiting one or two more years with Mullin?
If team is terrible two seasons from now - then at least you demonstrated loyalty to any coach you bring in after.
You guys all love to fire people right away - it makes no sense.
What would you do? Fire Mullin, destroy the roster, and pray for a miracle with the next coach? It's so obvious to me that that you should at least put in your back pocket of the optionality of next year and the season after, of turning it around... if it doesn't, then you can Mullin, and then you just go with your choice of bringing someone else in.
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Why should he be retained as coach?
Because Norm Roberts got 6 years.
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Simon has 48 turnovers in 624 minutes
Ponds has 37 turnovers in 610 minutes
They differ in turnovers by .5 a game.
Simon leads the team in assists and has an almost 2 to 1 assist/turnover ratio. He is simply not the turnover machine you make him out to be. Bad mouth his dribbling all you want but we've had worse.
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Why should he be retained as coach?
Because Norm Roberts got 6 years.
Ok, so we should draw hope from the 6 terrible seasons we had with Norm Roberts?
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We need a high major D1 coach and high major D1 staff. A band aid is replacing a lazy staff member. The only answer is to replace them all. There is no excuse for 0-6. Everything that has stood in the way of St.John’s winning games is on the staff.
Enough is enough. I’m not interested in waiting to see if Chris Mullin is willing to accept that he’s not cut out for this. The braintrust that hired him is pathetic. They have no idea what they’re doing, but at St.John’s should we expect anything more? This is what this institution is. One big red shit storm.
Yes
No and no for both of you.
Why should he be retained as coach? What has he done that has earned him that as a coach?
He hasn't earned it. We all know that.
But is canning him the better bet? I doubt it.
I'm sure the AD and school doubts it as well.
So I'm sure I'd win a bet that if you want make one that he comes back.
But, repeating myself, like everyone else does on this board:
The best best for potential positive returns, is to see what the staff can do with a full roster.
There have been times of pretty basketball this season. Played #1 Nova and Az St. close.
Next year's roster looks balanced and more promising.
Why fire Mullin? It'd just be out of spite - and the wrong decision.
You get upside / optionality of it turning around next year!
What's the big deal of waiting one or two more years with Mullin?
If team is terrible two seasons from now - then at least you demonstrated loyalty to any coach you bring in after.
You guys all love to fire people right away - it makes no sense.
What would you do? Fire Mullin, destroy the roster, and pray for a miracle with the next coach? It's so obvious to me that that you should at least put in your back pocket of the optionality of next year and the season after, of turning it around... if it doesn't, then you can Mullin, and then you just go with your choice of bringing someone else in.
I don’t want to know what the University thinks. I think that they don’t think and that’s the problem. They’ve made a horrible choice. Best thing they can do now is move on and this time take themselves out of the decision making process. Clearly, they are completely clueless.
If LoVett leaves for good after the season and Ponds bolts for the pros or transfers, there is no one else to worry about. What roster destruction are we worried about at that point? The program is a joke now. Let them be a joke for two or theee years with a coach that actually coaches. I would vote to cut our losses now. 8-34 is 8-34.
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Simon has 48 turnovers in 624 minutes
Ponds has 37 turnovers in 610 minutes
They differ in turnovers by .5 a game.
Simon leads the team in assists and has an almost 2 to 1 assist/turnover ratio. He is simply not the turnover machine you make him out to be. Bad mouth his dribbling all you want but we've had worse.
Ponds dribbles the ball in traffic 10x more. He's also defended by the opposing team's best perimeter defender and is the focal point of every defensive game plan. Every coach in the Big East wants Simon handling the ball and taking it to the lane. He dribbles the ball between his chest and chin. Also nobody cheats off of Ponds when Simon takes it. Everyone leaves their man to stop Ponds.
Simon is the basketball equivalent of a boxer that can only throw a heavy overhand. He doesn't have the skill to read a defender and make a counter move like Ponds. He doesn't change his pace or control his body in the lane in any way. He drives 100 miles per hour and picks up his dribble outside of the FT line extended and then makes some crazy leap to the basket. It works against lesser athletes but he looks like a fool against comparably athletic players. He telegraphs his moves like a boxer who can only knock people out.
Comparing Simon to Ponds as a lead guard is crazy. Simon is a face-up four. He should be playing the same role for us that Dom did as a senior. We won 7 league games with Ellison as a true soph last year and were 0-6 with this kid as our second option handling the ball in spite of him being a superior defender and rebounder to Ellison. He makes Ellison look like Tim Hardaway.
You people jump all over me when I declared this a lost season over the summer due to lack of ball-handling and when were 0-6 in the league because nobody can dribble you want to act like Simon is a great PG? We'd have 14 wins with Malik Boothe. I watched Ponds school Nova play after play last night and then in a 90 second span saw Simon pick up his dribble for no reason twice around half court, jump, and then throw the ball off the shoulder of a stationary Nova defender and then right off the hands of a stationary Nova defender. Both passes were recovered by Johnnies and don't show up in the stat sheet anywhere but were worse than any of the four turnovers he had charged to him last night. He did the same thing at UCF, ASU, and countless other times. He freezes up. Look at his FT form!!! Does that strike you as a kid that has skill or coordination?
Our front court is somehow the strongest part of this team and it sucks.
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Why should he be retained as coach?
Because Norm Roberts got 6 years.
Don't think Mullin should be fired but your argument is poor because you are supposed to learn from your mistakes. We stuck with Norm too long when it was obvious he couldn't be a head coach because Harrington was busy with other matters to put it politely.
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Simon has 48 turnovers in 624 minutes
Ponds has 37 turnovers in 610 minutes
They differ in turnovers by .5 a game.
Simon leads the team in assists and has an almost 2 to 1 assist/turnover ratio. He is simply not the turnover machine you make him out to be. Bad mouth his dribbling all you want but we've had worse.
Let me ask you this, Carmine: what is our record of we replace Ponds with a second Simon? What about if we had two Shamories and no Simon? I say 0-6 and 5-1, respectively.
I don't dislike Simon. I want him playing a different role. I know that's not feasible this year but let's also not act like that's not the reason we can't win this year.
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Marillac killing it. Been saying for a while Simon should play the 4 on offense. Eliminates his help defender and puts him in a better position to score. He is a very good passer because of his height and vision, not because of his break down ability.
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Marillac killing it. Been saying for a while Simon should play the 4 on offense. Eliminates his help defender and puts him in a better position to score. He is a very good passer because of his height and vision, not because of his break down ability.
No he is out of his mind. Simon rebounds well because he is coming in from the guard spot or the wing. If he played the four would be manhandled. Plus he is just saying Simon can't dribble so that it makes Ponds better. He is also inventing his own stats. Surprised Fun has not eviscerated him yet .
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Why should he be retained as coach?
Because Norm Roberts got 6 years.
Don't think Mullin should be fired but your argument is poor because you are supposed to learn from your mistakes. We stuck with Norm too long when it was obvious he couldn't be a head coach because Harrington was busy with other matters to put it politely.
The only coach we ever fired after 3 years was the guy that replaced Louie so we could bring Louie back. Yes so I do think Mullin does deserve more time than Frank what's his name and at least as much as Brian Mahoney. Again funny same people who are killing Lovett for disloyalty don't think Mullin deserves any special consideration. Well Marillac is killing Lovett for not being good because he is in love with Ponds.
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Simon's stats and overall play would be a lot better if we had another ball handler/shooter playing alongside him....
The guy is truly the least of our problems.
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Marillac killing it. Been saying for a while Simon should play the 4 on offense. Eliminates his help defender and puts him in a better position to score. He is a very good passer because of his height and vision, not because of his break down ability.
No he is out of his mind. Simon rebounds well because he is coming in from the guard spot or the wing. If he played the four would be manhandled. Plus he is just saying Simon can't dribble so that it makes Ponds better. He is also inventing his own stats. Surprised Fun has not eviscerated him yet .
False. Simon is our best post defender, and he doesn't rebound from the wing at all! He averages only 1.7 offensive boards per game, and as far as I can tell most of those are off his own missed chippies. 9 times this season he has had 0 or 1 offensive boards. That is inexcusable for a kid with his athletic ability and a 7'3 wingspan. He should be averaging 3.5 per game.
I like the way he passes. I think he has excellent vision, but he needs to be passing hi-lo or out of the post. Let him get some takes against opposing fours and fives when the court is spaced. And take away Clark's driving privileges for good while we're at it.
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Marillac killing it. Been saying for a while Simon should play the 4 on offense. Eliminates his help defender and puts him in a better position to score. He is a very good passer because of his height and vision, not because of his break down ability.
No he is out of his mind. Simon rebounds well because he is coming in from the guard spot or the wing. If he played the four would be manhandled. Plus he is just saying Simon can't dribble so that it makes Ponds better. He is also inventing his own stats. Surprised Fun has not eviscerated him yet .
Fun has called Simon out for his absurd turnovers in his postgame writeups. I doubt he would argue Simon is a guard at all. He's Dom Pointer 2.0 but with a longer wingspan and 20 lbs of muscle. The kid is seriously impressive bodying guys in the post.
Put the kids in the right spots. Run a passing based inside-out offense through Simon.
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Marillac killing it. Been saying for a while Simon should play the 4 on offense. Eliminates his help defender and puts him in a better position to score. He is a very good passer because of his height and vision, not because of his break down ability.
No he is out of his mind. Simon rebounds well because he is coming in from the guard spot or the wing. If he played the four would be manhandled. Plus he is just saying Simon can't dribble so that it makes Ponds better. He is also inventing his own stats. Surprised Fun has not eviscerated him yet .
Fun has called Simon out for his absurd turnovers in his postgame writeups. I doubt he would argue Simon is a guard at all. He's Dom Pointer 2.0 but with a longer wingspan and 20 lbs of muscle. The kid is seriously impressive bodying guys in the post.
Put the kids in the right spots. Run a passing based inside-out offense through Simon.
I think post-LoVett injury, the coaching staff has failed to put him in positions to maximize his potential. I cringe every time he takes a shot that's not in the paint. But it's also hard for me to picture him being in a great position to succeed with such a lack of depth on this roster, and Ponds' consistent struggles from 3.
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Marillac killing it. Been saying for a while Simon should play the 4 on offense. Eliminates his help defender and puts him in a better position to score. He is a very good passer because of his height and vision, not because of his break down ability.
No he is out of his mind. Simon rebounds well because he is coming in from the guard spot or the wing. If he played the four would be manhandled. Plus he is just saying Simon can't dribble so that it makes Ponds better. He is also inventing his own stats. Surprised Fun has not eviscerated him yet .
Him playing the 4 on OFFENSE does not take away from his rebounding from the wing what so ever. Clark plays on the peremiter on offense but guards the 4 on defense. Vice versa for Simon.
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Marillac killing it. Been saying for a while Simon should play the 4 on offense. Eliminates his help defender and puts him in a better position to score. He is a very good passer because of his height and vision, not because of his break down ability.
No he is out of his mind. Simon rebounds well because he is coming in from the guard spot or the wing. If he played the four would be manhandled. Plus he is just saying Simon can't dribble so that it makes Ponds better. He is also inventing his own stats. Surprised Fun has not eviscerated him yet .
Unfortunately there is no known cure for Mullin Derangement Syndrome ®
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Why should he be retained as coach?
Because Norm Roberts got 6 years.
Don't think Mullin should be fired but your argument is poor because you are supposed to learn from your mistakes. We stuck with Norm too long when it was obvious he couldn't be a head coach because Harrington was busy with other matters to put it politely.
The only coach we ever fired after 3 years was the guy that replaced Louie so we could bring Louie back. Yes so I do think Mullin does deserve more time than Frank what's his name and at least as much as Brian Mahoney. Again funny same people who are killing Lovett for disloyalty don't think Mullin deserves any special consideration. Well Marillac is killing Lovett for not being good because he is in love with Ponds.
If they fire Mullin ( and I don't think they will ) This program is over. What recruit in his right mind would come to a school that is so screwed up that they had to fire the face of the school after going through 5 -6 coaches in a few years.
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Marillac killing it. Been saying for a while Simon should play the 4 on offense. Eliminates his help defender and puts him in a better position to score. He is a very good passer because of his height and vision, not because of his break down ability.
No he is out of his mind. Simon rebounds well because he is coming in from the guard spot or the wing. If he played the four would be manhandled. Plus he is just saying Simon can't dribble so that it makes Ponds better. He is also inventing his own stats. Surprised Fun has not eviscerated him yet .
Him playing the 4 on OFFENSE does not take away from his rebounding from the wing what so ever. Clark plays on the peremiter on offense but guards the 4 on defense. Vice versa for Simon.
So you are going to have him post up? Play down low? His penetration up top is our 2nd best offense after Ponds driving the ball. Let me here some more stats on how Ponds is a good outside shooter. On night's that it is over 50 degrees in HS he shot 35% from three?
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False. Simon is our best post defender, and he doesn't rebound from the wing at all! He averages only 1.7 offensive boards per game, and as far as I can tell most of those are off his own missed chippies. 9 times this season he has had 0 or 1 offensive boards. That is inexcusable for a kid with his athletic ability and a 7'3 wingspan. He should be averaging 3.5 per game.
Only Angel Delgado averages more than 3.5 offensive rebounds per game in the Big East.
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Marillac killing it. Been saying for a while Simon should play the 4 on offense. Eliminates his help defender and puts him in a better position to score. He is a very good passer because of his height and vision, not because of his break down ability.
No he is out of his mind. Simon rebounds well because he is coming in from the guard spot or the wing. If he played the four would be manhandled. Plus he is just saying Simon can't dribble so that it makes Ponds better. He is also inventing his own stats. Surprised Fun has not eviscerated him yet .
Him playing the 4 on OFFENSE does not take away from his rebounding from the wing what so ever. Clark plays on the peremiter on offense but guards the 4 on defense. Vice versa for Simon.
So you are going to have him post up? Play down low? His penetration up top is our 2nd best offense after Ponds driving the ball. Let me here some more stats on how Ponds is a good outside shooter. On night's that it is over 50 degrees in HS he shot 35% from three?
How is this hard to understand man? Did pointer ever post up? I’m saying you need to play him in the mind and high post. This way his man can not stay in the lane and help on everything. This way he needs to be respected as a threat to shoot. This way he can pass to shooters on the outside. This way he can get to the hoop with 1 or 2 dribbles. This was he can use his size as an advantage inside. You have two guys in Ahmed and Clark who are both much better shooters and hang around the perimeter. They are also more physically built so they can guard the opposing 3 and 4.
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And since when is someone abilities in high school not used to judge their abilities at the next level? Get over yourself
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We're not losing because we can't shoot. We can't dribble.
We're not losing because we can't shoot or we can't dribble. We're losing because we've lost our best or 2nd best player and we have nobody to replace him with.
We've fallen and can't get up.
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Ponds thing has passed well into Carmine territory
Phil Greene was attacked mercilessly on this board and I defended him. Some low brow posters had even come up with derogatory nicknames for him such as the "circle".
The worst thing anybody has said about Ponds is that Lovett was good.
Apples to oranges.
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Why should he be retained as coach?
Because Norm Roberts got 6 years.
Ok, so we should draw hope from the 6 terrible seasons we had with Norm Roberts?
No. But we should remain loyal to Chris Mullin. For after all...well he's Chris Mullin.
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Let me ask you this, Carmine: what is our record of we replace Ponds with a second Simon? What about if we had two Shamories and no Simon? I say 0-6 and 5-1, respectively.
Please. Even g*d or a genius like me can't answer these questions.
I don't dislike Simon.
You could have fooled me.
but let's also not act like that's not the reason we can't win this year.
The reasons we haven't won this year are that Lovett got hurt and we don't have enough players. Yet alone good ones.
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And since when is someone abilities in high school not used to judge their abilities at the next level? Get over yourself
All the time. You can go on Staten Island and find a 6-3 Center averaging 30 points a game who will not play D 1 anywhere.
Ponds can't shoot. If you don't want to take my word for it take my friend Stat Sheet's word for it.
Ponds is a really good player. But you simply can't argue 18%. Even if you don't like my breakdown of his shooting, you can't argue 18%.
And I like Simon as the primary or secondary ball handler. Like he has been. Don't get wrapped up in Marillac blaming Simon for Ponds being a bad outside shooter.
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Ponds thing has passed well into Carmine territory
Phil Greene was attacked mercilessly on this board and I defended him. Some low brow posters had even come up with derogatory nicknames for him such as the "circle".
The worst thing anybody has said about Ponds is that Lovett was good.
Apples to oranges.
I will give you credit for not blaming Harrison for Greene's shortcomings. You need to show Marillac the proper way to obsess over someone. But then again Ponds is way better than Greene so he at least has better taste.
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And since when is someone abilities in high school not used to judge their abilities at the next level? Get over yourself
All the time. You can go on Staten Island and find a 6-3 Center averaging 30 points a game who will not play D 1 anywhere.
WASJU you are not this stupid! You know why the division 3 coach recruited him? because he liked what he did in highschool.
When you got your academic scholorship had they never seen you play? Did they hear you were awful and decided to just take a chance? No im sure they saw what you were good at and wanted to use it in college.
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And since when is someone abilities in high school not used to judge their abilities at the next level? Get over yourself
All the time. You can go on Staten Island and find a 6-3 Center averaging 30 points a game who will not play D 1 anywhere.
Ponds can't shoot. If you don't want to take my word for it take my friend Stat Sheet's word for it.
Ponds is a really good player. But you simply can't argue 18%. Even if you don't like my breakdown of his shooting, you can't argue 18%.
And I like Simon as the primary or secondary ball handler. Like he has been. Don't get wrapped up in Marillac blaming Simon for Ponds being a bad outside shooter.
This Ponds can't shoot thing is ridiculous. His form is good and his release is as pure as it gets. We're talking about a kid that shoots almost 90% from the FT line! He shot 37.5% from three last year on an absurd 6.1 attempts. Most of those were set shots. It's easy to forget that when he hits a bomb every so often or pulls up in transition. His $ shot last year was that impossibly fast corner trey off ball reversal or a drive and kick.
His shot selection sucks this year, I'll admit that, but how else is he going to get an open look? The staff is jamming an NBA iso system down these kids throats and we don't have the personnel to play that way. We can pass....do that. All they do for Ponds is give him high ball screens so he has to shoot off the bounce. Why not run him off a cross screen to post up his man down low a few times to keep his man honest and then off some screens in the lane or baseline to get him a set shot from the corner?
And when I talk about putting Simon in the post, it's as a passer and face-up. He can do some damage there with his skill set and length. You have to respect his ability to get a shot off there against a four, so help has to come off our shooters. That's when you go inside-out. It will improve spacing drastically.
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Why should he be retained as coach?
Because Norm Roberts got 6 years.
Ok, so we should draw hope from the 6 terrible seasons we had with Norm Roberts?
No. But we should remain loyal to Chris Mullin. For after all...well he's Chris Mullin.
Yea that's a real solid line of thinking
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
I completely agree. Mullin deserves the next two and a half months to show us that he’s able to make adjustments and win some games. In year 3, if he can’t make the ncaas or the nit, or he can go f himself.
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Let me ask you this, Carmine: what is our record of we replace Ponds with a second Simon? What about if we had two Shamories and no Simon? I say 0-6 and 5-1, respectively.
Please. Even g*d or a genius like me can't answer these questions.
I don't dislike Simon.
You could have fooled me.
but let's also not act like that's not the reason we can't win this year.
The reasons we haven't won this year are that Lovett got hurt and we don't have enough players. Yet alone good ones.
We didn’t have enough players in May of last year. That was when the staff should have been given the cattle prod. That alone is enough to warrant moving on. At least Lavin recruited.
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
This talk of firing Mullin is absurd. It's a knee jerk reaction to losing. How the hell could he have been ready for an all world pvssy like Lovett guided by a father with an IQ measured at a staggering 91 (credit to Fun for that nugget). Lovett presumably cost him Ellison via transfer and Mussini opting to play b level Euro ball. We're talking about a coach who had two years of dealing with teenage players when this all hit the fan. Lesson learned: don't take chances on kids like Lovett or international kids like RF as FM without a safety net or two in place.
I wrote in the summer after Mussini left: "What happens if Ponds sprains his ankle? The season just ends?" It ended up being Lovett, but the logic is the same. He and the great hobbit Matt A messed up by not having a plan b for Lovett, and they almost got away with it. They'll never make these mistakes again.
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Let me ask you this, Carmine: what is our record of we replace Ponds with a second Simon? What about if we had two Shamories and no Simon? I say 0-6 and 5-1, respectively.
Please. Even g*d or a genius like me can't answer these questions.
I don't dislike Simon.
You could have fooled me.
but let's also not act like that's not the reason we can't win this year.
The reasons we haven't won this year are that Lovett got hurt and we don't have enough players. Yet alone good ones.
We didn’t have enough players in May of last year. That was when the staff should have been given the cattle prod. That alone is enough to warrant moving on. At least Lavin recruited.
Agreed on the first part but you don't fire someone for a one time mistake. This is a foreseeable consequence of hiring someone with no coaching experience.
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
This talk of firing Mullin is absurd. It's a knee jerk reaction to losing. How the hell could he have been ready for an all world pvssy like Lovett guided by a father with an IQ measured at a staggering 91 (credit to Fun for that nugget). Lovett presumably cost him Ellison via transfer and Mussini opting to play b level Euro ball. We're talking about a coach who had two years of dealing with teenage players when this all hit the fan. Lesson learned: don't take chances on kids like Lovett or international kids like RF as FM without a safety net or two in place.
I wrote in the summer after Mussini left: "What happens if Ponds sprains his ankle? The season just ends?" It ended up being Lovett, but the logic is the same. He and the great hobbit Matt A messed up by not having a plan b for Lovett, and they almost got away with it. They'll never make these mistakes again.
You are what your record is.
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
This talk of firing Mullin is absurd. It's a knee jerk reaction to losing.
It's only absurd because you didn't say it first.
Listen up, dude.... I'll give him another season (although, I would understand dismissing him, if we were to finish up with 1 or 2 conference wins), and understand that he'll be here next season. But, if he doesn't make it to the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then he needs to be removed. Period!
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Let me ask you this, Carmine: what is our record of we replace Ponds with a second Simon? What about if we had two Shamories and no Simon? I say 0-6 and 5-1, respectively.
Please. Even g*d or a genius like me can't answer these questions.
I don't dislike Simon.
You could have fooled me.
but let's also not act like that's not the reason we can't win this year.
The reasons we haven't won this year are that Lovett got hurt and we don't have enough players. Yet alone good ones.
We didn’t have enough players in May of last year. That was when the staff should have been given the cattle prod. That alone is enough to warrant moving on. At least Lavin recruited.
Agreed on the first part but you don't fire someone for a one time mistake. This is a foreseeable consequence of hiring someone with no coaching experience.
I’m sorry, but I saw this coming in May. I expect the head coach to be better at this than the fans are. I know I’m not the only one who saw how careless Mullin was. It’s infuriating to see Goff brag about a 7 point loss. I’d fire him and the entire coaching staff right now.
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
This talk of firing Mullin is absurd. It's a knee jerk reaction to losing.
It's only absurd because you didn't say it first.
Listen up, dude.... I'll give him another season (although, I would understand dismissing him, if we were to finish up with 1 or 2 conference wins), and understand that he'll be here next season. But, if he doesn't make it to the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then he needs to be removed. Period!
It's absurd because you don't talk about firing a new fvcking coach after 2 1/2 years. He started with just Amar. At least norm had Showtime and Lamont Hamilton as freshmen and guys like Andre Stanley. Every coach should be given 4 years minimum.
We go through the same cycle every three years! I didn't want Jarvis fired and I didn't want Lavin fired for the same reasons. It dooms the program for years unless you bring in a Jamie Dixon caliber coach which we'll never get.
When you fire a coach you lose years of recruiting, you lose all of your signed recruits and current players, and then you have to scramble to replace them with an unbalanced roster and kids like Lovett you have to take a chance on. The consequences of those actions are felt for years. We're just getting over Norm's ten-man senior class from years ago.
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Let me ask you this, Carmine: what is our record of we replace Ponds with a second Simon? What about if we had two Shamories and no Simon? I say 0-6 and 5-1, respectively.
Please. Even g*d or a genius like me can't answer these questions.
I don't dislike Simon.
You could have fooled me.
but let's also not act like that's not the reason we can't win this year.
The reasons we haven't won this year are that Lovett got hurt and we don't have enough players. Yet alone good ones.
We didn’t have enough players in May of last year. That was when the staff should have been given the cattle prod. That alone is enough to warrant moving on. At least Lavin recruited.
Agreed on the first part but you don't fire someone for a one time mistake. This is a foreseeable consequence of hiring someone with no coaching experience.
I’m sorry, but I saw this coming in May. I expect the head coach to be better at this than the fans are. I know I’m not the only one who saw how careless Mullin was. It’s infuriating to see Goff brag about a 7 point loss. I’d fire the him and the entire coaching staff right now.
I saw it too and was livid. Lesson learned. Mullin will never make that mistake again.
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
This talk of firing Mullin is absurd. It's a knee jerk reaction to losing.
It's only absurd because you didn't say it first.
Listen up, dude.... I'll give him another season (although, I would understand dismissing him, if we were to finish up with 1 or 2 conference wins), and understand that he'll be here next season. But, if he doesn't make it to the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then he needs to be removed. Period!
It's absurd because you don't talk about firing a new fvcking coach after 2 1/2 years. He started with just Amar. At least norm had Showtime and Lamont Hamilton as freshmen and guys like Andre Stanley. Every coach should be given 4 years minimum.
Again, it's only absurd because you didn't say it, know-it-all. As, much as I liked Andre Stanley for what he was going through, per taking care of his ill mother and catching the train from his home to make it to school and practice everyday..... Let's just say we'll leave it right there.
We go through the same cycle every three years! I didn't want Jarvis fired and I didn't want Lavin fired for the same reasons. It dooms the program for years unless you bring in a Jamie Dixon caliber coach which we'll never get.
Jarvis needed to be fired, so I was fine with it. I just didn't like the timing, and felt it was better off done after the season. He had basically quit on the job (insubordination).
I didn't want Lavin fired, either (although, I kinda understood why). Frankly, I think he somewhat had gotten the shaft.
You don't know what kinda coach we are capable of bringing in. Even if it's dumb luck, there is always a chance you can hit on someone similar to a Jamie Dixon.
When you fire a coach you lose years of recruiting, you lose all of your signed recruits and current players, and then you have to scramble to replace them with an unbalanced roster and kids like Lovett you have to take a chance on. The consequences of those actions are felt for years. We're just getting over Norm's ten-man senior class from years ago.
So, by your beliefs there is never a good reason to fire a coach because of losing out on years of recruiting, right? No coach should ever be fired, correct? That is essentially what you've just stated. But, I'll await your attempt to retract or BS your way outta that comment by saying "that isn't what you meant."
If we're not in the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then we should move on.
Lastly, all you're giving me are excuses. Save 'em.
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
This talk of firing Mullin is absurd. It's a knee jerk reaction to losing.
It's only absurd because you didn't say it first.
Listen up, dude.... I'll give him another season (although, I would understand dismissing him, if we were to finish up with 1 or 2 conference wins), and understand that he'll be here next season. But, if he doesn't make it to the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then he needs to be removed. Period!
It's absurd because you don't talk about firing a new fvcking coach after 2 1/2 years. He started with just Amar. At least norm had Showtime and Lamont Hamilton as freshmen and guys like Andre Stanley. Every coach should be given 4 years minimum.
Again, it's only absurd because you didn't say it, know-it-all. As, much as I liked Andre Stanley for what he was going through, per taking care of his ill mother and catching the train from his home to make it to school and practice everyday..... Let's just say we'll leave it right there.
We go through the same cycle every three years! I didn't want Jarvis fired and I didn't want Lavin fired for the same reasons. It dooms the program for years unless you bring in a Jamie Dixon caliber coach which we'll never get.
Jarvis needed to be fired, so I was fine with it. I just didn't like the timing, and felt it was better off done after the season. He had basically quit on the job (insubordination).
I didn't want Lavin fired, either (although, I kinda understood why). Frankly, I think he somewhat had gotten the shaft.
You don't know what kinda coach we are capable of bringing in. Even if it's dumb luck, there is always a chance you can hit on someone similar to a Jamie Dixon.
When you fire a coach you lose years of recruiting, you lose all of your signed recruits and current players, and then you have to scramble to replace them with an unbalanced roster and kids like Lovett you have to take a chance on. The consequences of those actions are felt for years. We're just getting over Norm's ten-man senior class from years ago.
So, by your beliefs there is never a good reason to fire a coach because of losing out on years of recruiting, right? No coach should ever be fired, correct? That is essentially what you've just stated. But, I'll await your attempt to retract or BS your way outta that comment by saying "that isn't what you meant."
If we're not in the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then we should move on.
Lastly, all you're giving me are excuses. Save 'em.
How does my writing about the perils of firing a coach become "by your belief there is never a good reason to fire a coach" in your mind? What a preposterous inference. I wanted Norm fired because he could not compete for top recruits and he went 7-9, 5-13 and then 6-12 and 6-12 his last four years in conference, showing no sign of improvement. I'd ask the same for Mullin with those results.
Jarvis took us a shot from the final four. He was landing top recruits and he took us to the tournament and won the NIT his last two full seasons. But our great fans were chanting "Fire Jarvis" in Gampel Pavilion in 2002 while we were on the bubble and prior to beating Duke and winning the NIT. He had a top 50 player Showtime and a top 75 Lamont Hamilton signed. Both were All Big East players.
Lavin won 20 games three times in five years and made two NCAA tournament appearances and two NITs. And we attacked him with venom for three years. Even with that he had Brandon Sampson and Samir Doughty signed. As dysfunctional as Jordan, Obekpa, and DellaRosa were, I think Lavin would have kept them in check enough to keep it together. The starting PG from Creighton beat the sh*t out of his gf last year and Xavier went to the Elite 8 after their starting guard was suspended for beating his gf and their best player, Trevon Bluitt, was arrested for smoking weed. No team is immune from that crap.
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
This talk of firing Mullin is absurd. It's a knee jerk reaction to losing.
It's only absurd because you didn't say it first.
Listen up, dude.... I'll give him another season (although, I would understand dismissing him, if we were to finish up with 1 or 2 conference wins), and understand that he'll be here next season. But, if he doesn't make it to the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then he needs to be removed. Period!
It's absurd because you don't talk about firing a new fvcking coach after 2 1/2 years. He started with just Amar. At least norm had Showtime and Lamont Hamilton as freshmen and guys like Andre Stanley. Every coach should be given 4 years minimum.
Again, it's only absurd because you didn't say it, know-it-all. As, much as I liked Andre Stanley for what he was going through, per taking care of his ill mother and catching the train from his home to make it to school and practice everyday..... Let's just say we'll leave it right there.
We go through the same cycle every three years! I didn't want Jarvis fired and I didn't want Lavin fired for the same reasons. It dooms the program for years unless you bring in a Jamie Dixon caliber coach which we'll never get.
Jarvis needed to be fired, so I was fine with it. I just didn't like the timing, and felt it was better off done after the season. He had basically quit on the job (insubordination).
I didn't want Lavin fired, either (although, I kinda understood why). Frankly, I think he somewhat had gotten the shaft.
You don't know what kinda coach we are capable of bringing in. Even if it's dumb luck, there is always a chance you can hit on someone similar to a Jamie Dixon.
When you fire a coach you lose years of recruiting, you lose all of your signed recruits and current players, and then you have to scramble to replace them with an unbalanced roster and kids like Lovett you have to take a chance on. The consequences of those actions are felt for years. We're just getting over Norm's ten-man senior class from years ago.
So, by your beliefs there is never a good reason to fire a coach because of losing out on years of recruiting, right? No coach should ever be fired, correct? That is essentially what you've just stated. But, I'll await your attempt to retract or BS your way outta that comment by saying "that isn't what you meant."
If we're not in the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then we should move on.
Lastly, all you're giving me are excuses. Save 'em.
How does my writing about the perils of firing a coach become "by your belief there is never a good reason to fire a coach" in your mind? What a preposterous inference. I wanted Norm fired because he could not compete for top recruits and he went 7-9, 5-13 and then 6-12 and 6-12 his last five years in conference, showing no sign of improvement. I'd ask the same for Mullin with those results.
Maybe, because that is what you practically stated in your post. Duh!
Regardless, of whether Roberts could compete with top recruits or not, he couldn't win ballgames. How often are Butler and Creighton, and at one time, Xavier (Xavier just recently started consistently landing so-called "top recruits) competing for top recruits?
IMO, Mullin doesn't deserve a 5th year, if he finishes up this season horribly and doesn't take us to the NCAA Tournament next season.
Jarvis took us a shot from the final four. He was landing top recruits and he took us to the tournament and won the NIT his last two full seasons. But our great fans were chanting "Fire Jarvis" in Gampel Pavilion in 2002 while we were on the bubble and prior to beating Duke and winning the NIT. He had a top 50 player Showtime and a top 75 Lamont Hamilton signed. Both were All Big East players.
I don't remember what our fans were doing in Gampel in 2002, but regardless, that doesn't have anything to do with Jarvis and how he finished up his career at St. John's. I also don't recall Hamilton being a top 75 player. More like a top 100 player, but whatever.
Jarvis needed to be canned. I just thought it should've been done after that particular season.
Lavin won 20 games three times in five years and made two NCAA tournament appearances and two NITs. And we attacked him with venom for three years. Even with that he had Brandon Sampson and Samir Doughty signed. As dysfunctional as Jordan, Obekpa, and DellaRosa were, I think Lavin would have kept them in check enough to keep it together. The starting PG from Creighton beat the sh*t out of his gf last year and Xavier went to the Elite 8 after their starting guard was suspended for beating his gf and their best player, Trevon Bluitt, was arrested for smoking weed. No team is immune from that crap.
Again, I thought Lavin received the shaft. If anyone believes Mullin's first team would've looked the same with Lavin back for an additional season, then I have a bridge to sell you in Barrow, Alaska.
But, Lavin is also gone, and Mullin needs to produce an NCAA Tournament bid next season. Anything else is white noise.
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
This talk of firing Mullin is absurd. It's a knee jerk reaction to losing.
It's only absurd because you didn't say it first.
Listen up, dude.... I'll give him another season (although, I would understand dismissing him, if we were to finish up with 1 or 2 conference wins), and understand that he'll be here next season. But, if he doesn't make it to the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then he needs to be removed. Period!
It's absurd because you don't talk about firing a new fvcking coach after 2 1/2 years. He started with just Amar. At least norm had Showtime and Lamont Hamilton as freshmen and guys like Andre Stanley. Every coach should be given 4 years minimum.
Again, it's only absurd because you didn't say it, know-it-all. As, much as I liked Andre Stanley for what he was going through, per taking care of his ill mother and catching the train from his home to make it to school and practice everyday..... Let's just say we'll leave it right there.
We go through the same cycle every three years! I didn't want Jarvis fired and I didn't want Lavin fired for the same reasons. It dooms the program for years unless you bring in a Jamie Dixon caliber coach which we'll never get.
Jarvis needed to be fired, so I was fine with it. I just didn't like the timing, and felt it was better off done after the season. He had basically quit on the job (insubordination).
I didn't want Lavin fired, either (although, I kinda understood why). Frankly, I think he somewhat had gotten the shaft.
You don't know what kinda coach we are capable of bringing in. Even if it's dumb luck, there is always a chance you can hit on someone similar to a Jamie Dixon.
When you fire a coach you lose years of recruiting, you lose all of your signed recruits and current players, and then you have to scramble to replace them with an unbalanced roster and kids like Lovett you have to take a chance on. The consequences of those actions are felt for years. We're just getting over Norm's ten-man senior class from years ago.
So, by your beliefs there is never a good reason to fire a coach because of losing out on years of recruiting, right? No coach should ever be fired, correct? That is essentially what you've just stated. But, I'll await your attempt to retract or BS your way outta that comment by saying "that isn't what you meant."
If we're not in the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then we should move on.
Lastly, all you're giving me are excuses. Save 'em.
How does my writing about the perils of firing a coach become "by your belief there is never a good reason to fire a coach" in your mind? What a preposterous inference. I wanted Norm fired because he could not compete for top recruits and he went 7-9, 5-13 and then 6-12 and 6-12 his last five years in conference, showing no sign of improvement. I'd ask the same for Mullin with those results.
Maybe, because that is what you practically stated in your post. Duh!
No it's it not, it's a conclusion YOU reached by making a huge inference. I was the most vocal Norm detractor alive to the tune of multiple forum bans. He was a disaster and worth risking the perils of starting over. Mullin isn't YET. His error was taking a chance on Lovett and not being ready for Mussini and Ellison leaving. He should be held accountable for that, but it's not on par with failing to compete for top recruits or going 7-9 then 5-13 then 6-12 then 6-12 with full rosters.
Let's look at it like a marriage. Norm was the drunk who beat his wife regularly and couldn't hold a job. Mullin has a job, but left the gate open and his toddler fell down a small set of stairs. There is no way Mullin will ever leave that gate open again (Lovett and short roster). If Mullin keeps hitting the bars, he's gotta go too.
He gets next year without question and should be forced to hire a seasoned assistant if he fails to win 18-19 games.
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
This talk of firing Mullin is absurd. It's a knee jerk reaction to losing.
It's only absurd because you didn't say it first.
Listen up, dude.... I'll give him another season (although, I would understand dismissing him, if we were to finish up with 1 or 2 conference wins), and understand that he'll be here next season. But, if he doesn't make it to the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then he needs to be removed. Period!
It's absurd because you don't talk about firing a new fvcking coach after 2 1/2 years. He started with just Amar. At least norm had Showtime and Lamont Hamilton as freshmen and guys like Andre Stanley. Every coach should be given 4 years minimum.
Again, it's only absurd because you didn't say it, know-it-all. As, much as I liked Andre Stanley for what he was going through, per taking care of his ill mother and catching the train from his home to make it to school and practice everyday..... Let's just say we'll leave it right there.
We go through the same cycle every three years! I didn't want Jarvis fired and I didn't want Lavin fired for the same reasons. It dooms the program for years unless you bring in a Jamie Dixon caliber coach which we'll never get.
Jarvis needed to be fired, so I was fine with it. I just didn't like the timing, and felt it was better off done after the season. He had basically quit on the job (insubordination).
I didn't want Lavin fired, either (although, I kinda understood why). Frankly, I think he somewhat had gotten the shaft.
You don't know what kinda coach we are capable of bringing in. Even if it's dumb luck, there is always a chance you can hit on someone similar to a Jamie Dixon.
When you fire a coach you lose years of recruiting, you lose all of your signed recruits and current players, and then you have to scramble to replace them with an unbalanced roster and kids like Lovett you have to take a chance on. The consequences of those actions are felt for years. We're just getting over Norm's ten-man senior class from years ago.
So, by your beliefs there is never a good reason to fire a coach because of losing out on years of recruiting, right? No coach should ever be fired, correct? That is essentially what you've just stated. But, I'll await your attempt to retract or BS your way outta that comment by saying "that isn't what you meant."
If we're not in the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then we should move on.
Lastly, all you're giving me are excuses. Save 'em.
How does my writing about the perils of firing a coach become "by your belief there is never a good reason to fire a coach" in your mind? What a preposterous inference. I wanted Norm fired because he could not compete for top recruits and he went 7-9, 5-13 and then 6-12 and 6-12 his last five years in conference, showing no sign of improvement. I'd ask the same for Mullin with those results.
Maybe, because that is what you practically stated in your post. Duh!
No it's it not, it's a conclusion YOU reached by making a huge inference. I was the most vocal Norm detractor alive to the tune of multiple forum bans. He was a disaster and worth risking the perils of starting over. Mullin isn't YET. His error was taking a chance on Lovett and not being ready for Mussini and Ellison leaving. He should be held accountable for that, but it's not on par with failing to compete for top recruits or going 7-9 then 5-13 then 6-13 then 6-12 with full rosters.
Conclusion, hell! You said it! But, I already knew you would attempt to weasel out of it.
Let's stop all the dancing.... Does he deserves a 5th year, if he finishes this season with one, two or three conference wins and miss out on the NCAA Tournament next season?
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
This talk of firing Mullin is absurd. It's a knee jerk reaction to losing.
It's only absurd because you didn't say it first.
Listen up, dude.... I'll give him another season (although, I would understand dismissing him, if we were to finish up with 1 or 2 conference wins), and understand that he'll be here next season. But, if he doesn't make it to the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then he needs to be removed. Period!
It's absurd because you don't talk about firing a new fvcking coach after 2 1/2 years. He started with just Amar. At least norm had Showtime and Lamont Hamilton as freshmen and guys like Andre Stanley. Every coach should be given 4 years minimum.
Again, it's only absurd because you didn't say it, know-it-all. As, much as I liked Andre Stanley for what he was going through, per taking care of his ill mother and catching the train from his home to make it to school and practice everyday..... Let's just say we'll leave it right there.
We go through the same cycle every three years! I didn't want Jarvis fired and I didn't want Lavin fired for the same reasons. It dooms the program for years unless you bring in a Jamie Dixon caliber coach which we'll never get.
Jarvis needed to be fired, so I was fine with it. I just didn't like the timing, and felt it was better off done after the season. He had basically quit on the job (insubordination).
I didn't want Lavin fired, either (although, I kinda understood why). Frankly, I think he somewhat had gotten the shaft.
You don't know what kinda coach we are capable of bringing in. Even if it's dumb luck, there is always a chance you can hit on someone similar to a Jamie Dixon.
When you fire a coach you lose years of recruiting, you lose all of your signed recruits and current players, and then you have to scramble to replace them with an unbalanced roster and kids like Lovett you have to take a chance on. The consequences of those actions are felt for years. We're just getting over Norm's ten-man senior class from years ago.
So, by your beliefs there is never a good reason to fire a coach because of losing out on years of recruiting, right? No coach should ever be fired, correct? That is essentially what you've just stated. But, I'll await your attempt to retract or BS your way outta that comment by saying "that isn't what you meant."
If we're not in the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then we should move on.
Lastly, all you're giving me are excuses. Save 'em.
How does my writing about the perils of firing a coach become "by your belief there is never a good reason to fire a coach" in your mind? What a preposterous inference. I wanted Norm fired because he could not compete for top recruits and he went 7-9, 5-13 and then 6-12 and 6-12 his last five years in conference, showing no sign of improvement. I'd ask the same for Mullin with those results.
Maybe, because that is what you practically stated in your post. Duh!
No it's it not, it's a conclusion YOU reached by making a huge inference. I was the most vocal Norm detractor alive to the tune of multiple forum bans. He was a disaster and worth risking the perils of starting over. Mullin isn't YET. His error was taking a chance on Lovett and not being ready for Mussini and Ellison leaving. He should be held accountable for that, but it's not on par with failing to compete for top recruits or going 7-9 then 5-13 then 6-13 then 6-12 with full rosters.
Conclusion, hell! You said it! But, I already knew you would attempt to weasel out of it.
Let's stop all the dancing.... Does he deserves a 5th year, if he finishes this season with one, two or three conference wins and miss out on the NCAA Tournament next season?
Dude, are you all there? I said when your fire a coach the consequences can be felt for years after unless you hire someone like Jamie Dixon. You turned that into "by your belief there is never a good reason to fire a coach." Do you not see how those two statements are worlds apart? Jesus Christ. There are plenty of good reasons to fire a coach: if he molested or assaulted players, if he doesn't get top recruits, if he can't demonstrate a reasonable pattern of imorovement, etc. Please show me where I eliminated those possibilities for firing a coach in my very brief posts. For your truly absurd statement to be true, you must be able to prove that.
Barring unusual circumstances I believe coaches should be given four full years before their job is in jeopardy. That gives them the opportunity to see their first recruiting class to completion and their first full recruiting class to its junior season.
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The worst thing this program could do would be to fire Mullin in the next two years...the program would go down the tubes for another 10 years unless we brought Pitino out of retirement and became a bandit program.
I don't agree at all. You can't just keep the job because your last name is Mullin. If things don't improve greatly you have to make the change.
This talk of firing Mullin is absurd. It's a knee jerk reaction to losing.
It's only absurd because you didn't say it first.
Listen up, dude.... I'll give him another season (although, I would understand dismissing him, if we were to finish up with 1 or 2 conference wins), and understand that he'll be here next season. But, if he doesn't make it to the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then he needs to be removed. Period!
It's absurd because you don't talk about firing a new fvcking coach after 2 1/2 years. He started with just Amar. At least norm had Showtime and Lamont Hamilton as freshmen and guys like Andre Stanley. Every coach should be given 4 years minimum.
Again, it's only absurd because you didn't say it, know-it-all. As, much as I liked Andre Stanley for what he was going through, per taking care of his ill mother and catching the train from his home to make it to school and practice everyday..... Let's just say we'll leave it right there.
We go through the same cycle every three years! I didn't want Jarvis fired and I didn't want Lavin fired for the same reasons. It dooms the program for years unless you bring in a Jamie Dixon caliber coach which we'll never get.
Jarvis needed to be fired, so I was fine with it. I just didn't like the timing, and felt it was better off done after the season. He had basically quit on the job (insubordination).
I didn't want Lavin fired, either (although, I kinda understood why). Frankly, I think he somewhat had gotten the shaft.
You don't know what kinda coach we are capable of bringing in. Even if it's dumb luck, there is always a chance you can hit on someone similar to a Jamie Dixon.
When you fire a coach you lose years of recruiting, you lose all of your signed recruits and current players, and then you have to scramble to replace them with an unbalanced roster and kids like Lovett you have to take a chance on. The consequences of those actions are felt for years. We're just getting over Norm's ten-man senior class from years ago.
So, by your beliefs there is never a good reason to fire a coach because of losing out on years of recruiting, right? No coach should ever be fired, correct? That is essentially what you've just stated. But, I'll await your attempt to retract or BS your way outta that comment by saying "that isn't what you meant."
If we're not in the NCAA Tournament a season from now, then we should move on.
Lastly, all you're giving me are excuses. Save 'em.
How does my writing about the perils of firing a coach become "by your belief there is never a good reason to fire a coach" in your mind? What a preposterous inference. I wanted Norm fired because he could not compete for top recruits and he went 7-9, 5-13 and then 6-12 and 6-12 his last five years in conference, showing no sign of improvement. I'd ask the same for Mullin with those results.
Maybe, because that is what you practically stated in your post. Duh!
No it's it not, it's a conclusion YOU reached by making a huge inference. I was the most vocal Norm detractor alive to the tune of multiple forum bans. He was a disaster and worth risking the perils of starting over. Mullin isn't YET. His error was taking a chance on Lovett and not being ready for Mussini and Ellison leaving. He should be held accountable for that, but it's not on par with failing to compete for top recruits or going 7-9 then 5-13 then 6-13 then 6-12 with full rosters.
Conclusion, hell! You said it! But, I already knew you would attempt to weasel out of it.
Let's stop all the dancing.... Does he deserves a 5th year, if he finishes this season with one, two or three conference wins and miss out on the NCAA Tournament next season?
Why are we talking about next year? It’s almost February and he hasn’t won a conference game. Mullin doesn’t deserve a 4th year. He needs to man up and do the right thing and resign.
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Dude, are you all there? I said when your fire a coach the consequences can be felt for years after unless you hire someone like Jamie Dixon. You turned that into "by your belief there is never a good reason to fire a coach." Do you not see how those two statements are worlds apart? Jesus Christ. There are plenty of good reasons to fire a coach: if he molested or assaulted players, if he doesn't get top recruits, if he can't demonstrate a reasonable pattern of imorovement, etc. Please show me where I eliminated those possibilities for firing a coach in my very brief posts. For your truly absurd statement to be true, you must be able to prove that.
Man, don't attempt to play me. That is what you said in many ways. You've retracted what you said, fabricator. Manipulating what you stated.
You don't know whether you have Jamie Dixon or not, unless you've hired a mannequin. Even if it's dumb or blind luck, you won't know until after a handful of seasons.
So, stop BS, dude. The only one absurd is you, bullshitter. Besides, no one knew what Jamie Dixon could do until he got a moved out of the assistant seat to the head coach seat. Pitt would've never known what they had if they didn't hire him. The only thing you likely knew about Jamie Dixon that he was an assistant with Pitt. Heck! You might've not known that until he was hired to be the head coach.
You stick to your guns, and I'll stick to mine.
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Dude, are you all there? I said when your fire a coach the consequences can be felt for years after unless you hire someone like Jamie Dixon. You turned that into "by your belief there is never a good reason to fire a coach." Do you not see how those two statements are worlds apart? Jesus Christ. There are plenty of good reasons to fire a coach: if he molested or assaulted players, if he doesn't get top recruits, if he can't demonstrate a reasonable pattern of imorovement, etc. Please show me where I eliminated those possibilities for firing a coach in my very brief posts. For your truly absurd statement to be true, you must be able to prove that.
Man, don't attempt to play me. That is what you said in many ways. You've retracted what you said, fabricator. Manipulating what you stated.
You don't know whether you have Jamie Dixon or not, unless you've hired a mannequin. Even if it's dumb or blind luck, you won't know until after a handful of seasons.
So, stop BS, dude. The only one absurd is you, bullshitter. Besides, no one knew what Jamie Dixon could do until he got a moved out of the assistant seat to the head coach seat. Pitt would've never known what they had if they didn't hire him. The only thing you likely knew about Jamie Dixon that he was an assistant with Pitt. Heck! You might've not known that until he was hired to be the head coach.
You stick to your guns, and I'll stick to mine.
Amar's defense > Your logical reasoning
I see now that you are working with an IQ in the Marcus Lovett Sr. realm. I guess that explains all the commas. I really hope you just had too much to drink tonight.
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Dude, are you all there? I said when your fire a coach the consequences can be felt for years after unless you hire someone like Jamie Dixon. You turned that into "by your belief there is never a good reason to fire a coach." Do you not see how those two statements are worlds apart? Jesus Christ. There are plenty of good reasons to fire a coach: if he molested or assaulted players, if he doesn't get top recruits, if he can't demonstrate a reasonable pattern of imorovement, etc. Please show me where I eliminated those possibilities for firing a coach in my very brief posts. For your truly absurd statement to be true, you must be able to prove that.
Man, don't attempt to play me. That is what you said in many ways. You've retracted what you said, fabricator. Manipulating what you stated.
You don't know whether you have Jamie Dixon or not, unless you've hired a mannequin. Even if it's dumb or blind luck, you won't know until after a handful of seasons.
So, stop BS, dude. The only one absurd is you, bullshitter. Besides, no one knew what Jamie Dixon could do until he got a moved out of the assistant seat to the head coach seat. Pitt would've never known what they had if they didn't hire him. The only thing you likely knew about Jamie Dixon that he was an assistant with Pitt. Heck! You might've not known that until he was hired to be the head coach.
You stick to your guns, and I'll stick to mine.
Amar's defense > Your logical reasoning
I see now that you are working with an IQ in the Marcus Lovett Sr. realm. I guess that explains all the commas. I really hope you just had too much to drink tonight.
Not even close to having any drinks. Nah, you're just a full of shit know-it-all. That about sums it up.
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Dude, are you all there? I said when your fire a coach the consequences can be felt for years after unless you hire someone like Jamie Dixon. You turned that into "by your belief there is never a good reason to fire a coach." Do you not see how those two statements are worlds apart? Jesus Christ. There are plenty of good reasons to fire a coach: if he molested or assaulted players, if he doesn't get top recruits, if he can't demonstrate a reasonable pattern of imorovement, etc. Please show me where I eliminated those possibilities for firing a coach in my very brief posts. For your truly absurd statement to be true, you must be able to prove that.
Man, don't attempt to play me. That is what you said in many ways. You've retracted what you said, fabricator. Manipulating what you stated.
You don't know whether you have Jamie Dixon or not, unless you've hired a mannequin. Even if it's dumb or blind luck, you won't know until after a handful of seasons.
So, stop BS, dude. The only one absurd is you, bullshitter. Besides, no one knew what Jamie Dixon could do until he got a moved out of the assistant seat to the head coach seat. Pitt would've never known what they had if they didn't hire him. The only thing you likely knew about Jamie Dixon that he was an assistant with Pitt. Heck! You might've not known that until he was hired to be the head coach.
You stick to your guns, and I'll stick to mine.
Amar's defense > Your logical reasoning
I see now that you are working with an IQ in the Marcus Lovett Sr. realm. I guess that explains all the commas. I really hope you just had too much to drink tonight.
Not even close to having any drinks. Nah, you're just a full of shit know-it-all. That about sums it up.
Good talk. Have a nice night -- and by that I don't mean to imply that I believe there should be never be day again.
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Why should he be retained as coach?
Because Norm Roberts got 6 years.
Ok, so we should draw hope from the 6 terrible seasons we had with Norm Roberts?
No. But we should remain loyal to Chris Mullin. For after all...well he's Chris Mullin.
Yea that's a real solid line of thinking
Loyalty is seen as a positive attribute the world over. It's not in question. If ever loyalty was deserved - it's in this case. I'm proud to be a loyal individual.
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And since when is someone abilities in high school not used to judge their abilities at the next level? Get over yourself
All the time. You can go on Staten Island and find a 6-3 Center averaging 30 points a game who will not play D 1 anywhere.
Ponds can't shoot. If you don't want to take my word for it take my friend Stat Sheet's word for it.
Ponds is a really good player. But you simply can't argue 18%. Even if you don't like my breakdown of his shooting, you can't argue 18%.
And I like Simon as the primary or secondary ball handler. Like he has been. Don't get wrapped up in Marillac blaming Simon for Ponds being a bad outside shooter.
This Ponds can't shoot thing is ridiculous. His form is good and his release is as pure as it gets. We're talking about a kid that shoots almost 90% from the FT line! He shot 37.5% from three last year on an absurd 6.1 attempts. Most of those were set shots. It's easy to forget that when he hits a bomb every so often or pulls up in transition. His $ shot last year was that impossibly fast corner trey off ball reversal or a drive and kick.
His shot selection sucks this year, I'll admit that, but how else is he going to get an open look? The staff is jamming an NBA iso system down these kids throats and we don't have the personnel to play that way. We can pass....do that. All they do for Ponds is give him high ball screens so he has to shoot off the bounce. Why not run him off a cross screen to post up his man down low a few times to keep his man honest and then off some screens in the lane or baseline to get him a set shot from the corner?
And when I talk about putting Simon in the post, it's as a passer and face-up. He can do some damage there with his skill set and length. You have to respect his ability to get a shot off there against a four, so help has to come off our shooters. That's when you go inside-out. It will improve spacing drastically.
18%
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That was fun
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That was fun
It was also foad. Getting back to the title of this thread NEED PLAYERS I agree.In fact IMO we need 4-5 NBA players for Mullin to be competitive. If he stays around hopefully with the players he does have he can win enough games to attract that many talented players to have on his roster. Think the Brooks kid may be a start unless there is some hidden (at least to us) problem with this kid that always seems to dog this program (ie. Pelle, Zach Brown).
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That was fun
It was also foad. Getting back to the title of this thread NEED PLAYERS I agree.In fact IMO we need 4-5 NBA players for Mullin to be competitive. If he stays around hopefully with the players he does have he can win enough games to attract that many talented players to have on his roster. Think the Brooks kid may be a start unless there is some hidden (at least to us) problem with this kid that always seems to dog this program (ie. Pelle, Zach Brown).
Do you think we have an nba player on the current roster?
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That was fun
It was also foad. Getting back to the title of this thread NEED PLAYERS I agree.In fact IMO we need 4-5 NBA players for Mullin to be competitive. If he stays around hopefully with the players he does have he can win enough games to attract that many talented players to have on his roster. Think the Brooks kid may be a start unless there is some hidden (at least to us) problem with this kid that always seems to dog this program (ie. Pelle, Zach Brown).
Do you think we have an nba player on the current roster?
Besides Mullin and Richmond and maybe Matt, no not right now. Think Ponds if he becomes a true point guard has the potential as well as Simon if he improves his shot and tightens up his ball handling. Also think if there is an apocalypse and AliB is the last human on earth then maybe him too.
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Dude, are you all there? I said when your fire a coach the consequences can be felt for years after unless you hire someone like Jamie Dixon. You turned that into "by your belief there is never a good reason to fire a coach." Do you not see how those two statements are worlds apart? Jesus Christ. There are plenty of good reasons to fire a coach: if he molested or assaulted players, if he doesn't get top recruits, if he can't demonstrate a reasonable pattern of imorovement, etc. Please show me where I eliminated those possibilities for firing a coach in my very brief posts. For your truly absurd statement to be true, you must be able to prove that.
Man, don't attempt to play me. That is what you said in many ways. You've retracted what you said, fabricator. Manipulating what you stated.
You don't know whether you have Jamie Dixon or not, unless you've hired a mannequin. Even if it's dumb or blind luck, you won't know until after a handful of seasons.
So, stop BS, dude. The only one absurd is you, bullshitter. Besides, no one knew what Jamie Dixon could do until he got a moved out of the assistant seat to the head coach seat. Pitt would've never known what they had if they didn't hire him. The only thing you likely knew about Jamie Dixon that he was an assistant with Pitt. Heck! You might've not known that until he was hired to be the head coach.
You stick to your guns, and I'll stick to mine.
Amar's defense > Your logical reasoning
I see now that you are working with an IQ in the Marcus Lovett Sr. realm. I guess that explains all the commas. I really hope you just had too much to drink tonight.
Not even close to having any drinks. Nah, you're just a full of shit know-it-all. That about sums it up.
Ha. Ouch...
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That was fun
It was also foad. Getting back to the title of this thread NEED PLAYERS I agree.In fact IMO we need 4-5 NBA players for Mullin to be competitive. If he stays around hopefully with the players he does have he can win enough games to attract that many talented players to have on his roster. Think the Brooks kid may be a start unless there is some hidden (at least to us) problem with this kid that always seems to dog this program (ie. Pelle, Zach Brown).
Do you think we have an nba player on the current roster?
Besides Mullin and Richmond and maybe Matt, no not right now. Think Ponds if he becomes a true point guard has the potential as well as Simon if he improves his shot and tightens up his ball handling. Also think if there is an apocalypse and AliB is the last human on earth then maybe him too.
I think Ponds is close to being that true point guard. Surprised his passing doesn't get talked about more honestly. 5 assists is a real good number for college guards especially while scoring 20 and having limited options.
But on your first point, if you consider simon to be at that level of nba caliber, then I would say we need 3-4 more.
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That was fun
It was also foad. Getting back to the title of this thread NEED PLAYERS I agree.In fact IMO we need 4-5 NBA players for Mullin to be competitive. If he stays around hopefully with the players he does have he can win enough games to attract that many talented players to have on his roster. Think the Brooks kid may be a start unless there is some hidden (at least to us) problem with this kid that always seems to dog this program (ie. Pelle, Zach Brown).
Who besides UK and Duke ever has 4-5 NBA players? There are six NBA players in the entire Big East: Bridges, Khyri Thomas, Ponds, Spellman, Brunson and Macura. Delgado and Martin have a chance as well.
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That was fun
It was also foad. Getting back to the title of this thread NEED PLAYERS I agree.In fact IMO we need 4-5 NBA players for Mullin to be competitive. If he stays around hopefully with the players he does have he can win enough games to attract that many talented players to have on his roster. Think the Brooks kid may be a start unless there is some hidden (at least to us) problem with this kid that always seems to dog this program (ie. Pelle, Zach Brown).
Who besides UK and Duke ever has 4-5 NBA players? There are six NBA players in the entire Big East: Bridges, Khyri Thomas, Ponds, Spellman, Brunson and Macura. Delgado and Martin have a chance as well.
We did. Mullin, Berry, Wennington, Jackson, Shelton Jones, Ron Rowan. That's six on one team. I said 4-5 for Mullin to be successful due to his lack of coaching acumen.
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Why do I get the feeling that if a new thread was started entitled: "Best Dressed Redmen Player", the next post would discuss how Mullin can't coach and should fall on his sword like a Japanese samurai. And he should have picked out the clothing for each player, which Danny Hurley excels at. But to stick to the topic, even though I'm unsure there is a topic, I have to agree with Foad on Ponds. Too much watching Steph Curry. Not a good idea to try to try to imitate those 30 foot shots by Curry where he seems to flick the ball at the hoop. I have seen Ponds try this more than once. You shoot close to 40% on multiple attempts as a freshman, you shouldn't regress to 12% in conference play. That is unprecedented. Shot selection a huge problem, but even when within his range and with some time, he is misfiring in a big way. Airballs, bricks, you name it. He is 82% from the line, so no problem there. Marcus Hatten was not a shooter, but never shot 12% in conference play, or even close. Ponds went from pretty good accuracy to becoming Rick Ankiel. Another few bad games and he will be Steve Dalkowski. Except for the Curry moments, I don't see a big issue with his form. All the Cluess brothers had bad form but could shoot, especially Kevin. I don't know what could be said about Reggie Miller's form. Point is that whatever Ponds did last year, he is not doing this year.
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That was fun
It was also foad. Getting back to the title of this thread NEED PLAYERS I agree.In fact IMO we need 4-5 NBA players for Mullin to be competitive. If he stays around hopefully with the players he does have he can win enough games to attract that many talented players to have on his roster. Think the Brooks kid may be a start unless there is some hidden (at least to us) problem with this kid that always seems to dog this program (ie. Pelle, Zach Brown).
Who besides UK and Duke ever has 4-5 NBA players? There are six NBA players in the entire Big East: Bridges, Khyri Thomas, Ponds, Spellman, Brunson and Macura. Delgado and Martin have a chance as well.
We did. Mullin, Berry, Wennington, Jackson, Shelton Jones, Ron Rowan. That's six on one team. I said 4-5 for Mullin to be successful due to his lack of coaching acumen.
The NBA draft was 7 rounds back then and high school players and underclassmen didn't declare. Shelton Jones played one season and Rowan played 7 games. We were also a Final Four team.
I think Mullin would do just fine with a full roster.
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That was fun
It was also foad. Getting back to the title of this thread NEED PLAYERS I agree.In fact IMO we need 4-5 NBA players for Mullin to be competitive. If he stays around hopefully with the players he does have he can win enough games to attract that many talented players to have on his roster. Think the Brooks kid may be a start unless there is some hidden (at least to us) problem with this kid that always seems to dog this program (ie. Pelle, Zach Brown).
Do you think we have an nba player on the current roster?
Besides Mullin and Richmond and maybe Matt, no not right now. Think Ponds if he becomes a true point guard has the potential as well as Simon if he improves his shot and tightens up his ball handling. Also think if there is an apocalypse and AliB is the last human on earth then maybe him too.
Still not sure how Matt getting free pass here. Pretty funny. He owe people money on here?