6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2016 Class => Topic started by: paultzman on December 20, 2014, 05:23:57 PM
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@NYCHoops: #sjubb asst Coach Tony Chiles at City Legendz Classic with eyes on Sid Wilson (St. Rays) & Shamorie Ponds (Jefferson). #bigeast
@NYPost_Brazille: @kengyank @NYCHoops Jefferson also has a big time combo guard a junior Shamorie Ponds. Undersized but really good
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Best thing about this kid is undersized. That's who we should be looking at . We are not Duke . Undersized and good is 4 years of a good player. No crazy NBA dreams.
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Ponds scored 32 points yesterday.
http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/mckennon-returns-to-help-jefferson-defeat-st-ray-s-1.1667205
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According to Rivals we have offered.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Shamorie-Ponds-158005
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Underweight not undersized, legitimate 6'3. Will probably grow a little more. But about 155 soaking wet.
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@NYPost_Brazille: St Johns and Minnesota offered Jefferson junior Shamorie Ponds yesterday per @NYCHoops #sjubb
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Lefty guard ;) :angel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu00DriyvKA
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Impressive production;
@AdamZagoria: Thomas Jefferson Guard Shamorie Ponds Piling Up Offers http://t.co/ekiLAF0pKQ
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Doesn't register a blip on any recruiting sites. Reminds me a bit of watching Nate Britt play. More lean, good with both hands, smooth shot, good vision.
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I teach middle school in Brooklyn. Some of the boys follow HS basketball closely. Today a kid made a move and went left and said that was his "Shamorie Ponds move"
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Shamorie and Bud Pollard attended last night's game. He's averaging a near quadruple double in the PSAL and is quickly ascending to be one of the elite guards in the city.
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Shamorie and Bud Pollard attended last night's game. He's averaging a near quadruple double in the PSAL and is quickly ascending to be one of the elite guards in the city.
Did he enjoy the game?
Seemed like he was buried in his phone the whole time :)
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Shamorie and Bud Pollard attended last night's game. He's averaging a near quadruple double in the PSAL and is quickly ascending to be one of the elite guards in the city.
Did he enjoy the game? Seemed like he was buried in his phone the whole time :)
Like a college coach I know at last year's CHSAA semi finals. :)
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Shamorie and Bud Pollard attended last night's game. He's averaging a near quadruple double in the PSAL and is quickly ascending to be one of the elite guards in the city.
Did he enjoy the game? Seemed like he was buried in his phone the whole time :)
Like a college coach I know at last year's CHSAA semi finals. :)
How do you know he wasn't texting or skyping with a more important recruit in another part of the country?
All we know is that he was there, and that he was looking at something.
Until facts come out saying otherwise, I'm going to believe he was responding to a text from Isaiah Briscoe, who was asking for his advice on whether he should stay home or go away to college.
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@NYLightningAAU: “@AdamZagoria: 2016 Thomas Jefferson G Shamorie Ponds went for 18 last night in a 64-46 win over Torrey Pines (CA). #NYLightning
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2016 Shamorie Ponds from Thomas Jefferson in NYC gets buckets. Southpaw scores in a hurry off dribble and from deep.
https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/549728038947016704
Chille/KOB/or anyone who is tied into the PSAL scene.
Where did this kid come from. Prior to the last month don't ever recall hearing his name anywhere. Is he just putting it together now?
Also all the attention is going his way and ironic that Mckennon has resurfaced after his journey from St. Rays to Dozo down to Maryland for a school or two. Was he just someone who peaked too early? Worth a look? Mckinnon is '15 I think?
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I would love this kid to be our first early commitment we've had in a while.
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He is playing my cousin's sons team Foothills Christian (CA) tonight.
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2016 Shamorie Ponds from Thomas Jefferson in NYC gets buckets. Southpaw scores in a hurry off dribble and from deep. https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/549728038947016704 Chille/KOB/or anyone who is tied into the PSAL scene. Where did this kid come from. Prior to the last month don't ever recall hearing his name anywhere. Is he just putting it together now? Also all the attention is going his way and ironic that Mckennon has resurfaced after his journey from St. Rays to Dozo down to Maryland for a school or two. Was he just someone who peaked too early? Worth a look? Mckinnon is '15 I think?
Hes been around, shamorie was always regarded as one of the top players in the city since middle school, as a freshman he beat ray salnave and cardozo in the jv city chip and lost to him the following year as sophomores in the city title. can shoot it and has great feel. biggest knock would be hes pencil thin. jaquan will probably end up at a prep school then a juco. love his toughness and floor leadership but hes 5'9 on a good day and dosent shoot it well enough. hes a borderline div 1 player to me. his competiveness and toughness give him the edge but based merely off skill im not sure.
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"Ponds is thinking that he might want to get out and explore when he makes his college choice."
"I wanna go far," Ponds told Rivals.com. "New York will always be there."
Full article;
@ebosshoops: Shamorie Ponds traveled out West & made his presence felt. That and more from Monday at #UAHC http://t.co/RdYR2bDX6m http://t.co/DJPoCm1h7I
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"Ponds is thinking that he might want to get out and explore when he makes his college choice." "I wanna go far," Ponds told Rivals.com. "New York will always be there." Full article; @ebosshoops: Shamorie Ponds traveled out West & made his presence felt. That and more from Monday at #UAHC http://t.co/RdYR2bDX6m http://t.co/DJPoCm1h7I
And the posters who kick and scream wanting an SJU roster littered with NY kids go into quiet hiding.
Let him go away. I'll be happy to welcome him back with open arms once he realizes wherever he goes isn't NY :)
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Tell him SJU is in Jamaica, fly him to the island of Jamaica, sign him then tell him the bad news. ???
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"Ponds is thinking that he might want to get out and explore when he makes his college choice." "I wanna go far," Ponds told Rivals.com. "New York will always be there." Full article; @ebosshoops: Shamorie Ponds traveled out West & made his presence felt. That and more from Monday at #UAHC http://t.co/RdYR2bDX6m http://t.co/DJPoCm1h7I
And the posters who kick and scream wanting an SJU roster littered with NY kids go into quiet hiding. Let him go away. I'll be happy to welcome him back with open arms once he realizes wherever he goes isn't NY :)
i honestly don't care about NYC kids anymore. this isn't the 80s when kids wanted to stay local. NYC kids want to get far away from their surroundings. they know what nyc is all about and most have already played in msg. out of state kids on the other hand, want the bright lights, msg, big media, etc. for them nyc is all shiny and new. let's not put all our eggs in one basket.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/553246735448170496
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"Ponds is thinking that he might want to get out and explore when he makes his college choice." "I wanna go far," Ponds told Rivals.com. "New York will always be there." Full article; @ebosshoops: Shamorie Ponds traveled out West & made his presence felt. That and more from Monday at #UAHC http://t.co/RdYR2bDX6m http://t.co/DJPoCm1h7I
And the posters who kick and scream wanting an SJU roster littered with NY kids go into quiet hiding.
Let him go away. I'll be happy to welcome him back with open arms once he realizes wherever he goes isn't NY :)
We got Adonis
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@NYLightningAAU: “@AdamZagoria: St. John’s, Minnesota Recruiting 2016 Guard Shamorie Ponds Hard http://t.co/e3twSo7gMt #NYLightning
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Maryland's on him. When I read that Ponds said he wants to go out and see what's there, I thought the 4 hour trip effect might be good - away from home, not too far... same as RJ - ;D
http://www.testudotimes.com/2015/1/15/7555111/2016-pg-shamorie-ponds-taking-unofficial-visit-to-maryland-saturday
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/shamorie-ponds-enjoys-maryland-visit/
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http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/st-johns-basketball-recruiting/2015/2/15/8037315/shamorie-ponds-lawrence-pollard?utm_content=buffer0ffaa&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
In terms of his college decision, his coach is not sure yet what Ponds is thinking. However, he believes that Ponds' family will play a huge role in his decision.
"He is the type of guy who likes to explore, but he also likes to be close to home. He has a tight knit family and they come to all the games. But he is also a guy who likes to spread his wings as well. He likes to travel and visit different places," Lawrence Pollard said.
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@TheRecruitScoop: RT @AdamZagoria: Rhode Island & Creighton are the latest to offer 2016 New York Lightning (NY) guard Shamorie Ponds.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuwvD8oXRw
This is the epitome of 'bottom of the net' I hope we give this kid a good hard look.
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@AdamZagoria: .@ShamorieP will also visit Seton Hall next week, per coach Bud Pollard
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@WeAreDePaul: Shamorie Ponds, a 2016 combo guard out of Brooklyn, NY, picked up an offer from #DePaul #dpubb
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@Josh_Stirn: 2016 NY Lightning CG Shamorie Ponds says DePaul, Seton Hall, Minnesota & St. John's are coming after him the hardest. http://t.co/KM5TWgMuR9
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@Josh_Stirn: 2016 NY Lightning CG Shamorie Ponds says DePaul, Seton Hall, Minnesota & St. John's are coming after him the hardest. http://t.co/KM5TWgMuR9
I really like ponds. Nice player. Need to land Temple Gibbs or Ponds.
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@Josh_Stirn: 2016 NY Lightning CG Shamorie Ponds says DePaul, Seton Hall, Minnesota & St. John's are coming after him the hardest. http://t.co/KM5TWgMuR9
I really like ponds. Nice player. Need to land Temple Gibbs or Ponds.
If Mullin wants kids from new york and if Mullin wants shooters then Ponds should get a good look. Im with you MCN, like his game.
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@Josh_Stirn: 2016 NY Lightning CG Shamorie Ponds says DePaul, Seton Hall, Minnesota & St. John's are coming after him the hardest. http://t.co/KM5TWgMuR9
I really like ponds. Nice player. Need to land Temple Gibbs or Ponds.
If Mullin wants kids from new york and if Mullin wants shooters then Ponds should get a good look. Im with you MCN, like his game.
Temple > Ponds IMO
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@Josh_Stirn: 2016 NY Lightning CG Shamorie Ponds says DePaul, Seton Hall, Minnesota & St. John's are coming after him the hardest. http://t.co/KM5TWgMuR9
I really like ponds. Nice player. Need to land Temple Gibbs or Ponds.
If Mullin wants kids from new york and if Mullin wants shooters then Ponds should get a good look. Im with you MCN, like his game.
Temple > Ponds IMO
No doubt.
We should keep a good relationship with Ponds for when he transfers back to NY from West Virginia in a few years.
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@Josh_Stirn: 2016 NY Lightning CG Shamorie Ponds says DePaul, Seton Hall, Minnesota & St. John's are coming after him the hardest. http://t.co/KM5TWgMuR9
I really like ponds. Nice player. Need to land Temple Gibbs or Ponds.
If Mullin wants kids from new york and if Mullin wants shooters then Ponds should get a good look. Im with you MCN, like his game.
Temple > Ponds IMO
Agree, but ponds may be more of a PG, while Temple is similar to Mustapha and Rawle. BTW i'd take any combination of those 4 players and be thrilled.
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@Josh_Stirn: 2016 NY Lightning CG Shamorie Ponds says DePaul, Seton Hall, Minnesota & St. John's are coming after him the hardest. http://t.co/KM5TWgMuR9
I really like ponds. Nice player. Need to land Temple Gibbs or Ponds.
If Mullin wants kids from new york and if Mullin wants shooters then Ponds should get a good look. Im with you MCN, like his game.
Temple > Ponds IMO
Agree, but ponds may be more of a PG, while Temple is similar to Mustapha and Rawle. BTW i'd take any combination of those 4 players and be thrilled.
Ponds needs to play the point next year. McKennon did a great job for Jefferson at point this past year after being labeled a score-first combo from his St. Ray's days. His team loses a lot of talent. He's a prime candidate to head up to the NEPSAC for his final year to a team that will let him run the show. I just see so many of the things that Hatten did well in this kid. I want to see him up against better players. Almost looks too easy for him.
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@Josh_Stirn: 2016 NY Lightning CG Shamorie Ponds says DePaul, Seton Hall, Minnesota & St. John's are coming after him the hardest. http://t.co/KM5TWgMuR9
I really like ponds. Nice player. Need to land Temple Gibbs or Ponds.
If Mullin wants kids from new york and if Mullin wants shooters then Ponds should get a good look. Im with you MCN, like his game.
Temple > Ponds IMO
I like Temple too. I've just read a lot about him likely being Notre Dame bound etc. I don't know the truth to it. Just think we shouldn't let Ponds leave nyc.
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/full-game-jefferson-97-st-raymond-92-1.1667894
Full game, dont turn it off after Ponds misses first two shots.
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/full-game-jefferson-97-st-raymond-92-1.1667894
Full game, dont turn it off after Ponds misses first two shots.
Can you watch without Cablevision?
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/full-game-jefferson-97-st-raymond-92-1.1667894
Full game, dont turn it off after Ponds misses first two shots.
Can you watch without Cablevision?
I have twc but It never asked me for any info of any kind.
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/full-game-jefferson-97-st-raymond-92-1.1667894
Full game, dont turn it off after Ponds misses first two shots.
Can you watch without Cablevision?
I have twc but It never asked me for any info of any kind.
Thanks. Guess MSG woke up and stopped restricting things
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/full-game-jefferson-97-st-raymond-92-1.1667894
Full game, dont turn it off after Ponds misses first two shots.
Can you watch without Cablevision?
I have twc but It never asked me for any info of any kind.
Thanks. Guess MSG woke up and stopped restricting things
It restricts me...
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/full-game-jefferson-97-st-raymond-92-1.1667894
Full game, dont turn it off after Ponds misses first two shots.
I can't believe you guys didn't know about MSG. That's the only way I can watch down in Florida.
What did you think, Mase? What about Wilson besides the awful FT form?
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/full-game-jefferson-97-st-raymond-92-1.1667894
Full game, dont turn it off after Ponds misses first two shots.
I can't believe you guys didn't know about MSG. That's the only way I can watch down in Florida.
What did you think, Mase? What about Wilson besides the awful FT form?
Yea that was great, but moose was on to something. I cant watch anymore, used up my free quota haha.
I have been high on Ponds before. Unfortunately I only watched the first quarter thinking I could go back and finish it later. Ponds release is lightning quick and that first quarter did show that he is more than just an offensive player. Disruptive which you alluded too. Probably like 6'1 with a solid wingspan.
I really didnt even notice Wilson in the first except for one nice 3 he hit.
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/full-game-jefferson-97-st-raymond-92-1.1667894
Full game, dont turn it off after Ponds misses first two shots.
I can't believe you guys didn't know about MSG. That's the only way I can watch down in Florida.
What did you think, Mase? What about Wilson besides the awful FT form?
Yea that was great, but moose was on to something. I cant watch anymore, used up my free quota haha.
I have been high on Ponds before. Unfortunately I only watched the first quarter thinking I could go back and finish it later. Ponds release is lightning quick and that first quarter did show that he is more than just an offensive player. Disruptive which you alluded too. Probably like 6'1 with a solid wingspan.
I really didnt even notice Wilson in the first except for one nice 3 he hit.
Sid isn't a dominant guy yet. Gets his points very quietly. That should change in time. Ugly form on FTs, but decent looking smooth three.
I don't think I've ever seen a high school kid get into a deep three faster than Ponds. He can steal a ball from a kid with his back to his basket and get perfectly squared and into his shot with one dribble. It says a lot about his court awareness. He'll be able to get his shot off at the next level even if he stays at 6'0/6'1. He needs to put on weight and he needs to run the point full-time. Too small to play anything but PG (or in a two-PG look) at the high-major level. Something about this kid (outside of the shot) that I really like.
Jefferson clearly had more talent up and down the roster than St. Ray's which is mind-boggling for me a guy who grew up when a PSAL team would have to catch lightening in a bottle to compete with a good CHSAA team.
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He destroys my cousins kid in that mixtape.
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On the recruiting front, Ponds listed offers from Minnesota, Oklahoma, DePaul, St. John's, USF and South Carolina. Ponds said that the St. John's offer came from the Steve Lavin staff and that he's not yet had much contact with Chris Mullin's staff since they took over.
- See more at: https://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1764875#sthash.jScbM3yI.dpuf
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On the recruiting front, Ponds listed offers from Minnesota, Oklahoma, DePaul, St. John's, USF and South Carolina. Ponds said that the St. John's offer came from the Steve Lavin staff and that he's not yet had much contact with Chris Mullin's staff since they took over.
- See more at: https://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1764875#sthash.jScbM3yI.dpuf
Interesting.
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On the recruiting front, Ponds listed offers from Minnesota, Oklahoma, DePaul, St. John's, USF and South Carolina. Ponds said that the St. John's offer came from the Steve Lavin staff and that he's not yet had much contact with Chris Mullin's staff since they took over.
- See more at: https://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1764875#sthash.jScbM3yI.dpuf
Interesting.
Maybe he isn't local enough to keep the good local kids home :)
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I'm guessing the staff doesn't see him as the fit we are looking for at this point.
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On the recruiting front, Ponds listed offers from Minnesota, Oklahoma, DePaul, St. John's, USF and South Carolina. Ponds said that the St. John's offer came from the Steve Lavin staff and that he's not yet had much contact with Chris Mullin's staff since they took over.
- See more at: https://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1764875#sthash.jScbM3yI.dpuf
Interesting.
Maybe he isn't local enough to keep the good local kids home :)
Is he 10 miles from campus? Or was it 10 minutes? I'm confused.
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He met with the staff today. No offer yet but they will be following him this summer.
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https://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1171&script=%2Fcontent%2Easp&cid=1766839
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They probably want to see if he can play point with McKennon gone. I doubt they'd be interested in a 6'1 SG.
Let's hope the coach at Jefferson realizes this kid could be a monster if he runs the show. I'd really like to see him take that next step and dominate. He looks like he's not even trying out there sometimes because it's too easy for him.
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staff starting to get serious with this kid.. 2016 could have more than one nyc addition
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They probably want to see if he can play point with McKennon gone. I doubt they'd be interested in a 6'1 SG.
Let's hope the coach at Jefferson realizes this kid could be a monster if he runs the show. I'd really like to see him take that next step and dominate. He looks like he's not even trying out there sometimes because it's too easy for him.
Agree, I think that's tne problem too. He has played little to no time at the PG spot. Mainly a shooter. Very fluid kid but NEEDS to be a PG.
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@drewruiz90: Shamorie Ponds is nice in pick-and-roll situations and slices through the defense. Can also shoot from 3.#PangosAACamp
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21dNXqvY2CQ
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Potential top 50 recruit. I'd really like to see him play in an all-star game against the best of the best.
He'd look really good next to Lovett.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF4zSdz_ubQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF4zSdz_ubQ
Was told coach K is sniffing .. Fwiw
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Wow coach K doesn't recruit the psal much. Ponds must be the goods.
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Kid can really rip the cords, tickle the twine as they say.
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Shamorie Ponds, PG, Brooklyn (N.Y.) Thomas Jefferson: Playing for the New York Lightning, the 6-footer was one of the most exciting point guards in the entire Nike EYBL. A scorer at heart, Ponds has some Russ Smith in him because of his willingness to fire away from deep, quickness and fearlessness when attacking the paint. He is also a very good on-the-ball defender.
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1773876
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@JustinDYoung: Good first night here in Charlottesville. My top 3 guys & notes from #Top100Camp notepad. http://t.co/58bCjIzsl3 http://t.co/udrQc5ugkx
http://www.burlisononbasketball.com/2015/06/tshisumpa-swats-10-shots-in-nbpa-top-100-debut/
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@JustinDYoung: Good first night here in Charlottesville. My top 3 guys & notes from #Top100Camp notepad. http://t.co/58bCjIzsl3 (http://t.co/58bCjIzsl3) http://t.co/udrQc5ugkx (http://t.co/udrQc5ugkx)
http://www.burlisononbasketball.com/2015/06/tshisumpa-swats-10-shots-in-nbpa-top-100-debut/ (http://www.burlisononbasketball.com/2015/06/tshisumpa-swats-10-shots-in-nbpa-top-100-debut/)
Ah, twenty-something (make that 30-something) y.o. writers - "Coming off the heels"
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Hope he stays at Jefferson. Be good to have a city kid of his skill hang for 4 years.
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DevonTe Brooks
@DBrooksSBN
2016 Shamorie Ponds can get to the basket has a consistent mid-range jumper #Top100Camp
Kid is gonna kill the psal this year.
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Not worried about his height as some others seem to be. Like his talent and would be very happy to add him to our roster.
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@trigonis30: Best guards i've seen so far @ NBPA (in no particular order): Trae Young, Trevon Duval, Frank Jackson, Shamorie Ponds, Jaylen Hands
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@Coach_Rick57: @Coach_Rick57: Top 10 players at NBPA Top 100 #Top100Camp
6. Thon Maker
7. Michael Porter
8. Shamorie Ponds
9. Miles Bridges
10. Kyle Guy
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/shamorie-ponds-targeting-senior-year-decision/
Being from New York, Ponds also noted that St. John’s coach Chris Mullin had made it a priority to recruit him.
“He’s a cool guy,” said Ponds. “He’s usually hands on and will talk to you every now and then.”
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/shamorie-ponds-targeting-senior-year-decision/
Being from New York, Ponds also noted that St. John’s coach Chris Mullin had made it a priority to recruit him.
“He’s a cool guy,” said Ponds. “He’s usually hands on and will talk to you every now and then.”
Going into the July live period, Ponds plans to take his time.
“I kind of want to add more offers and then I want to cut my list down,” said Ponds. “Probably my senior year, middle of my senior year I’ll decide.”
That doesn't sound like a guy who is happy with the offers he already has. I know some on the board don't want him but it sounds like the feeling is mutual. Does anyone Know the last lighting player we signed since Cross left our staff? The Dominican brothers? Maybe?
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Ponds or Heron?
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Ponds or Heron?
IMO, Heron
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Ponds or Heron?
IMO, Heron
Both, I believe shamorie is 2nd option right now at the point guard position while heron is our top guy we are after
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Ponds or Heron?
IMO, Heron
Both, I believe shamorie is 2nd option right now at the point guard position while heron is our top guy we are after
I have felt for a while Heron, Ponds & Ahmed would be a solid start.
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@jeffborzello: List for PG Shamorie Ponds (No. 67): St. John's, Georgia Tech, Xavier, Temple, Seton Hall, Oklahoma, Miami, Minnesota.
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I like Shamorie. Gets buckets and has awesome body control around the basket.
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I like Shamorie. Gets buckets and has awesome body control around the basket.
Agree. Any indication he wouldn't mind staying local for college?
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I like Shamorie. Gets buckets and has awesome body control around the basket.
Agree. Any indication he wouldn't mind staying local for college?
Doesn't seem like he is wavering one way or another.
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@GiveNGobball: Ponds' Recruitment has Taken Off: '16 G Shamorie Ponds Discusses his Recruitment for GiveNGo. http://t.co/qLvv88yEI0 http://t.co/nVey8eGBSm
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I like Shamorie. Gets buckets and has awesome body control around the basket.
Has amazing body control away from the basket too. Very high on this kid...most intriguing prospect I've seen from the area in some time.
Write this kid down for 2-3 steals a game in college.
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@AdamZagoria: Georgia Tech just offered 2016 Thomas Jefferson G @ShamorieP and said they are making him a priority
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I think this kid should be top priority after Heron for the 16 class. I'm hoping some on this board get a chance to catch a few of his games in the CHSAA this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-JZeY1wk-k
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Agreed...I don't see Alkins staying home. We need to keep this kid in the city.
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Potential top 50 recruit. I'd really like to see him play in an all-star game against the best of the best.
He'd look really good next to Lovett.
Quicker than I thought. #45
https://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-3375/2016
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Potential top 50 recruit. I'd really like to see him play in an all-star game against the best of the best.
He'd look really good next to Lovett.
Quicker than I thought. #45
https://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-3375/2016
Quoting your own quote is a lost art. :)
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Potential top 50 recruit. I'd really like to see him play in an all-star game against the best of the best.
He'd look really good next to Lovett.
Quicker than I thought. #45
https://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-3375/2016
Quoting your own quote is a lost art. :)
Marillac has endured enough video breakdown jokes to warrant such replies ;)
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With staff in attendance;
@D1Circuit: NY Lightning G Shamorie Ponds (@ShamorieP): 18 PTS, 5 REB, 2 AST, 2 STL in a win vs EP Elite @NY_Lightning #PeachJam http://t.co/bolZZNSdgV
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 27m27 minutes ago Queens, NY
Also, #sjubb very involved with 2016 Jefferson guard Shamorie Ponds. Said he speaks to staff frequently.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Jefferson coach Bud Pollard said #sjubb, Seton Hall, Minnesota, Creighton, South Carolina most active with Shamorie Ponds.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Shamorie Ponds on #sjubb: "They're telling me I'm their No. 1 recruit for 2016. I want to go somewhere I feel wanted."
Recruiting is interesting. :)
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Heron Ponds Mussini and Ellison (Lovett?) would easily comprise one of the most dynamic backcourts in the Big East.
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Heron Ponds Mussini and Ellison (Lovett?) would easily comprise one of the most dynamic backcourts in the Big East.
Crickets re: LoVett
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What happened to the "staff is confident" line we were hearing everywhere re lovett?
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What happened to the "staff is confident" line we were hearing everywhere re lovett?
I think crickets means that it's been quiet on that front, not that anybody is more or less confident.
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What happened to the "staff is confident" line we were hearing everywhere re lovett?
Was not inferring anything just noting I have not heard anything about him since he committed.
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What happened to the "staff is confident" line we were hearing everywhere re lovett?
Was not inferring anything just noting I have not heard anything about him since he committed.
Hard at work in the classroom, right?
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What happened to the "staff is confident" line we were hearing everywhere re lovett?
Was not inferring anything just noting I have not heard anything about him since he committed.
Hard at work in the classroom, right?
:) :) :)
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I hope we lock this kid up. Like his game from the vids I have seen.
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http://nypost.com/2015/07/16/this-st-johns-target-is-already-drawing-big-crowds-rave-reviews/
“He’s a gym rat,” Pollard said of Ponds. “He’ll stay in the gym all day and just play ball.”
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Looking great!
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Originally from Rochester. I hope the Cuse don't come sniffing.
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Looking great!
Looking great as a player or as in coming to SJU or both?
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Looking great!
Looking great as a player or as in coming to SJU or both?
Both
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Looking great!
Looking great as a player or as in coming to SJU or both?
Both
Ponds, Heron.... Give me Alkins
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Id take Ponds, Heron , and Yakwe and be estatic
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2YHak4HgqQc&feature=youtu.be
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2YHak4HgqQc&feature=youtu.be
Impressive athleticism!
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No doubt fun to watch...worry a little about high dribble....palming....or was it just my imagination?
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No doubt fun to watch...worry a little about high dribble....palming....or was it just my imagination?
He plays a little high, but it seems to be more of a style than a physical or skill limitation. He'll learn quickly in college that won' cut it.
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Great pub for Heron, Rawle and Ponds just in the last week. This is how you do it ;)
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No doubt fun to watch...worry a little about high dribble....palming....or was it just my imagination?
He plays a little high, but it seems to be more of a style than a physical or skill limitation. He'll learn quickly in college that won' cut it.
It was one of first things that stood out when I saw him last week. He looks like he controls it very well but still a concern. Kyle Guy was all about trying to rip it from him every time he could.
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No doubt fun to watch...worry a little about high dribble....palming....or was it just my imagination?
Probably just his street ball style. Looked more like entertainment than real basketball.
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http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/st-johns-basketball-recruiting/2015/7/20/8999715/shamorie-ponds-2016-guard-interview-adidas-camp?_ga=1.29398463.1817249057.1407767702&utm_content=buffera0418&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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He plays that way in PSAL too. He's very nonchalant out there and I don't really mean that in a bad way. I thought he played like that in high school because he was so much more physically talented than his competition.
The game comes very easy to him.
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http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1565307-small-ponds-big-talent
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http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1565307-small-ponds-big-talent
That next level almost definitely will take him to a major conference. A handful of major players are leading the push in his recruitment.
”St. John’s, South Carolina, DePaul, Minnesota, Tennessee, Creighton are on me hard and have offered,” he said, noting that Arizona State has expressed interest as well.
Ponds doesn’t have a clear timetable in mind and will begin to sort out his list at a later date.
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http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1565307-small-ponds-big-talent
That next level almost definitely will take him to a major conference. A handful of major players are leading the push in his recruitment.
”St. John’s, South Carolina, DePaul, Minnesota, Tennessee, Creighton are on me hard and have offered,” he said, noting that Arizona State has expressed interest as well.
Ponds doesn’t have a clear timetable in mind and will begin to sort out his list at a later date.
I think it's just a matter of time before he starts getting offers from some blue bloods. I want this wrapped up. I can't believe Syracuse isn't all over this kid with how good he is in the 2-3 and that he's originally from upstate.
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@CNG_Staszewski: Jefferson's Ponds can be best in the city http://t.co/tjtpke5ixn
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@GeeCharles24: Shomari Pond is a silent assassin @LasVegasFab48 @trigonis30 . By the time you know he is coming, it is too late !. #Lasvegasfab48
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@RyanJamesMN: Shamorie Ponds scores 19 of his teams 39 but NY Panthers fall to Canada Elite 43-39 in OT. Thon Maker had all the OT points, about 22 total
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@ASlater247: St. John's and Minnesota are watching 4-star point guard Shamorie Ponds @ShamorieP #VegasFab48
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According to Pollard, St. Johns, Minnesota, Georgia Tech, Seton Hall, Temple and Creighton are after Ponds the hardest at this time. Ponds has already taken unofficial visits to St. Johns, Seton Hall and Temple, but he's looking to take an official visit to Creighton in the future.
"Shamorie wants to make a decision before his senior season," Pollard said. "He wants to put all that stuff behind him so he can focus on his senior year. I expect him to make a commitment in September or October after he takes his official visits."
https://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1785222
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Apt comparison;
@JoelFranESPN: Shomarie Ponds doing his Nick Van Exel imitation...exceptional off hand finish and Leland Green continues to excel..#production..#Fab48
@FrankieBur: Halftime: Hometown Heroes 39, NY Panthers 31. @ShamorieP on fire to keep team close with Russell Westbrook looking on in support of Hometown
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Ponds played with both the New York Lightning and the New York Panthers in July and while competing in the Peach Jam and Fab 48 there were six schools watching him the most and six schools recruiting him the hardest.
"St. John's, Creighton, Minnesota, South Carolina, Temple, and Georgia Tech are on me the most right now," said Ponds. "Right now I don't have any visits set up."
Ponds talked about a Gopher visit when he was here in May for the EYBL. Will the Gophers see him on campus in the coming months?
"Hopefully, but right now I don't know."
St. John's is the home school and new coach [db]Chris Mullin[/db] has his staff after Ponds hard as well.
"They tell me I am their number one recruit in the class of 2016," said Ponds.
https://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1786387
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 3h3 hours ago Manhattan, NY
Jefferson coach Lawrence Pollard tells me a summer commitment is possible for Shamorie Ponds -- and #sjubb is "sitting right at the top."
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 3h3 hours ago Manhattan, NY
Jefferson coach Lawrence Pollard tells me a summer commitment is possible for Shamorie Ponds -- and #sjubb is "sitting right at the top."
Lock this kid up... Pg that can really score as well.
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That would be huge. Really hope we get him
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@ShamorieP: Off to OMAHA✈️ . . . Official visit to Creighton til Monday! 🏀
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Didn't know he had that much interest in Creighton.
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Didn't know he had that much interest in Creighton.
Cue Poison!
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Didn't know he had that much interest in Creighton.
Always take all your officials. It's part of enjoying the process
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Didn't know he had that much interest in Creighton.
Cue Poison!
Lol !
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Didn't know he had that much interest in Creighton.
Always take all your officials. It's part of enjoying the process
Exactly
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@gregthompson27: Jefferson coach Lawrence Pollard says Shamorie Ponds will announce his college choice in about 2 weeks. #sjubb #BKsports
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Got to feel good about this. We need to get the ball rolling in 2016.
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I seem to recall he will be visiting SJU this month. Hopefully that culminates in a Johnnies commitment.
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Do you feel good about it Paultz? Getting Ponds and Heron "early" would a tremendous start.
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Shamorie Ponds @ShamorieP 1m1 minute ago
Down to my last 4 schools I appreciate every school that showed interest & offered🏽 Not in order Creighton StJohn's Providence Minnesota
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http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/02/four-star-2016-guard-shamorie-ponds-cuts-list-to-four/
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria 51m51 minutes ago
Jefferson coach Bud Pollard says @ShamorieP plans on taking several other visits but will play in the Big Strick Saturday in NYC.
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 52m52 minutes ago Queens, NY
Shamorie Ponds plans to visit all 4 schools on his list -- #sjubb, Creighton (currently on visit), Minnesota, Providence -- before decision
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Would be huge. We need someone to get the ball rolling.
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I seem to recall he will be visiting SJU this month. Hopefully that culminates in a Johnnies commitment.
He's already visited unofficially, right? I believe he was part of the large contingent of recruits that visited St. John's in June.
Regardless, I feel good about garnering a commitment from Ponds in the very, near future.
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I think it will be us, and huge for us to get a local top 50 right off the bat this summer...
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Come on Shamorie! One star NYC lefty learning from another?
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I seem to recall he will be visiting SJU this month. Hopefully that culminates in a Johnnies commitment.
He's already visited unofficially, right? I believe he was part of the large contingent of recruits that visited St. John's in June.
Regardless, I feel good about garnering a commitment from Ponds in the very, near future.
Correct & agree on second comment.
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@NYPost_Brazille: On Shamorie Ponds down to four, school I would be worried about if I'm #sjubb is Minnesota. Assistant Kimani Young is very close to Ponds
@NYPost_Brazille: But, I've been told, #sjubb is in good shape with Shamorie Ponds. Would be a great get.
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@courtcred: Class of 2016 PG Shamorie Ponds Cuts List to Four Schools, Gives Us Breakdown of Each School
http://t.co/hyKOaOf5lY http://t.co/m6euwX2DhT
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Thomas Jefferson coach Bud Pollard says 2016 G @ShamorieP will visit St. John's & Minnesota after the @BigStrickGame in next 2 weeks.
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Chris and Slice, two BK guys, a swipe of the Metrocard away, seal the deal fellas!
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Ponds more of a PG, SG, or what?
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:) :) :)
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Ponds more of a PG, SG, or what?
I think he's more than capable of being a lead guard, but probably more scoring guard.
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Ponds more of a PG, SG, or what?
I think he's more than capable of being a lead guard, but probably more scoring guard.
Thanks. Wonder what he considers himself?
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Don't know but I would be happy as hell with a commitment. Exact type of high impact 3/4 year local player I hope this staff makes a living off.
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Don't know but I would be happy as hell with a commitment. Exact type of high impact 3/4 year local player I hope this staff makes a living off.
You will be "happy" it appears.
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Ponds and Lovett backcourt could be scary for opponents
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Ponds and Lovett backcourt could be scary for opponents
Speaking of Lovett
Bueller????
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Ponds and Lovett backcourt could be scary for opponents
Speaking of Lovett
Bueller????
I'm taking the no news is good news route
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Ponds and Lovett backcourt could be scary for opponents
Ridiculous
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Me too Baldi
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SP, BA and KY for 2016 with MH still tracking.
RA going to be a tough get.
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SP, BA and KY for 2016 with MH still tracking.
RA going to be a tough get.
Can I buy a vowel?
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Loved Ponds from the get go. Like Dwight Hardy he is just a "guard" who can definitely get you buckets.
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@AdamZagoria: 2016 G @ShamorieP tells @SNYtv he's looking at taking officials to St. John's Aug. 28-30 & Minnesota Sept. 18-20. No date for Providence.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/shamorie-ponds-to-visit-st-johns-minnesota/
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Considering the September visit I guess that commitment isn't going to come as early as we had hoped.
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So for now, Ponds will play in the Big Strick Classic on Saturday at the Gauchos Gym and then plan for his St. John’s visit.
Pollard said it’s possible Ponds could pull the trigger on or after that visit and forego the Minnesota visit.
“Unless St. John’s knocks his socks off to the point where he doesn’t take that visit,” Pollard said. “If St. John’s knocks his socks off you never know. You never could say never.”
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
.@ShamorieP averaged 25 points, 9 rebounds and 7 assists last season and had two 40-point games and 11 30-point games.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Was told no Shamorie Ponds official visit is set yet. Most likely August 28-30. #sjubb
Sensing he commits during his visit & gets SJU ball rolling for 16.
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So for now, Ponds will play in the Big Strick Classic on Saturday at the Gauchos Gym and then plan for his St. John’s visit.
Pollard said it’s possible Ponds could pull the trigger on or after that visit and forego the Minnesota visit.
“Unless St. John’s knocks his socks off to the point where he doesn’t take that visit,” Pollard said. “If St. John’s knocks his socks off you never know. You never could say never.”
This sounds like he's ours to me. Our board pundits have been saying so, but this goes along with what our guys have been saying.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Was told no Shamorie Ponds official visit is set yet. Most likely August 28-30. #sjubb
Sensing he commits during his visit & gets SJU ball rolling for 16.
I'd be surprised if it got past the visit.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Was told no Shamorie Ponds official visit is set yet. Most likely August 28-30. #sjubb
Sensing he commits during his visit & gets SJU ball rolling for 16.
I'd be surprised if it got past the visit.
Me too.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Was told no Shamorie Ponds official visit is set yet. Most likely August 28-30. #sjubb
Sensing he commits during his visit & gets SJU ball rolling for 16.
I'd be surprised if it got past the visit.
Me too.
Good to hear hopes it works out. Top player from nyc would be a perfect way to kick off a huge 2016 class. Ponds is one of the couple guys I have wanted for a while now.
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Ponds and Lovett backcourt could be scary for opponents
Ridiculous
Starting to think a Ponds commitment will put a little fear in Heron after the Rucker Park game. Heron guarded Ponds on some possessions and it wasn't pretty from the highlights. Prior to that I felt pretty confident that Heron wouldn't think twice about playing over him.
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Ponds and Lovett backcourt could be scary for opponents
Ridiculous
Starting to think a Ponds commitment will put a little fear in Heron after the Rucker Park game. Heron guarded Ponds on some possessions and it wasn't pretty from the highlights. Prior to that I felt pretty confident that Heron wouldn't think twice about playing over him.
Oh god...........................
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Ponds and Lovett backcourt could be scary for opponents
Ridiculous
Starting to think a Ponds commitment will put a little fear in Heron after the Rucker Park game. Heron guarded Ponds on some possessions and it wasn't pretty from the highlights. Prior to that I felt pretty confident that Heron wouldn't think twice about playing over him.
Really? Heron is one of most confident players out there. Quite a leap there Matillac.
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Ponds and Lovett backcourt could be scary for opponents
Ridiculous
Starting to think a Ponds commitment will put a little fear in Heron after the Rucker Park game. Heron guarded Ponds on some possessions and it wasn't pretty from the highlights. Prior to that I felt pretty confident that Heron wouldn't think twice about playing over him.
Really? Heron is one of most confident players out there. Quite a leap there Matillac.
Classic Marillac hyperbole.
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While marillac definitely has a knack for the hyperbole, I will say that I didn't see the 6'5" Heron vs 6'0" Ponds height difference. Looked like they were a lot closer in height than that. Likely Heron more in the 6'3" range I'd guess. The other thing is that I think Ponds has proven to be at a very similar level to Heron, even though they are different players, and we should be thrilled with that if we can land a commit from him. We won't be getting a second tier player in any way with Ponds. I really love Ponds ability to both handle, get to the hole and hit long shots with ease.
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While marillac definitely has a knack for the hyperbole, I will say that I didn't see the 6'5" Heron vs 6'0" Ponds height difference. Looked like they were a lot closer in height than that. Likely Heron more in the 6'3" range I'd guess. The other thing is that I think Ponds has proven to be at a very similar level to Heron, even though they are different players, and we should be thrilled with that if we can land a commit from him. We won't be getting a second tier player in any way with Ponds. I really love Ponds ability to both handle, get to the hole and hit long shots with ease.
I think I read Ponds is more like 6 3.
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While marillac definitely has a knack for the hyperbole, I will say that I didn't see the 6'5" Heron vs 6'0" Ponds height difference. Looked like they were a lot closer in height than that. Likely Heron more in the 6'3" range I'd guess. The other thing is that I think Ponds has proven to be at a very similar level to Heron, even though they are different players, and we should be thrilled with that if we can land a commit from him. We won't be getting a second tier player in any way with Ponds. I really love Ponds ability to both handle, get to the hole and hit long shots with ease.
I think I read Ponds is more like 6 3.
By the end of this thread he will be 6-10 and Marillac will have him challenging Malik Monk as a better player.
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Ponds and Lovett backcourt could be scary for opponents
Ridiculous
Starting to think a Ponds commitment will put a little fear in Heron after the Rucker Park game. Heron guarded Ponds on some possessions and it wasn't pretty from the highlights. Prior to that I felt pretty confident that Heron wouldn't think twice about playing over him.
Really? Heron is one of most confident players out there. Quite a leap there Matillac.
Not sure why everyone is freaking out. Fear was probably a poor word choice. I don't know how much familiarity the two have playing on different circuits and being from different areas. I assumed a commitment from Ponds wouldn't affect Heron in the slightest given the size difference and Heron's ranking and confidence. The gap in rankings has narrowed substantially and Ponds has proven to Heron and everyone else that he's a legit player and one of the best scorers in the country.
It might make Heron and others hesitate. If I was his Heron's shoes, it would definitely be a factor. Scorers like Ponds don't tend to sit and the roster already has a top 100 pure PG, a nice combo in Mussini, and Ellison. Clearly Marillac takes Ponds now at any cost.
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While marillac definitely has a knack for the hyperbole, I will say that I didn't see the 6'5" Heron vs 6'0" Ponds height difference. Looked like they were a lot closer in height than that. Likely Heron more in the 6'3" range I'd guess. The other thing is that I think Ponds has proven to be at a very similar level to Heron, even though they are different players, and we should be thrilled with that if we can land a commit from him. We won't be getting a second tier player in any way with Ponds. I really love Ponds ability to both handle, get to the hole and hit long shots with ease.
I think I read Ponds is more like 6 3.
By the end of this thread he will be 6-10 and Marillac will have him challenging Malik Monk as a better player.
Are you finished?
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@AdamZagoria: 2016 G @ShamorieP : 'My decision is coming real soon.'
St. John's, Minny, Providence, Creighton.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Shamorie Ponds says his decision is "coming real soon," per @AdamZagoria. Would seem to favor #sjubb heavily.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Shamorie Ponds says his decision is "coming real soon," per @AdamZagoria. Would seem to favor #sjubb heavily.
Seemingly this would mean he is not taking all of these visits then because that would be over a month from now.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Shamorie Ponds says his decision is "coming real soon," per @AdamZagoria. Would seem to favor #sjubb heavily.
Seemingly this would mean he is not taking all of these visits then because that would be over a month from now.
Correct, "real soon"
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@CNG_Staszewski: @ShamorieP will visit #sjubb August 18-20. Expects a decison as early as late September, but definitely before the season.
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@CNG_Staszewski: @ShamorieP will visit #sjubb August 18-20. Expects a decison as early as late September, but definitely before the season.
So much for not taking his visits. Stuff changes day to day.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Also, been told Shamorie Ponds official is August 28-30, not 18-20, as has been reported. #sjubb
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@AdamZagoria: Big couple of weeks for 2016 Thomas Jefferson G @ShamorieP . Was invited to Elite 24 on Aug. 22 & visits St. John's Aug. 28-30.
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@jeffborzello: Twenty-four top-100 prospects are headed to New York next week for the Elite 24 game. Complete rosters: http://t.co/u0P8Xhy8xJ
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No heron? Hmm. Good for ponds. Wonder if we still have a shot at hamidou. Also why not go after seventh woods? all this talk of heron getting swiped from us when it was all but sure he was coming here due to sneaker connections. Woods is a UA kid who after cursory research is looking at south Carolina (UA school) and UNC (losing out on kids with proverbial ncaa black cloud). Why can't we beat out them and use these "sneaker connections to our advantage? Woods seems like a special talent. Maybe there is something with his story that I'm missing .
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No heron? Hmm. Good for ponds. Wonder if we still have a shot at hamidou. Also why not go after seventh woods? all this talk of heron getting swiped from us when it was all but sure he was coming here due to sneaker connections. Woods is a UA kid who after cursory research is looking at south Carolina (UA school) and UNC (losing out on kids with proverbial ncaa black cloud). Why can't we beat out them and use these "sneaker connections to our advantage? Woods seems like a special talent. Maybe there is something with his story that I'm missing .
Woods is a special talent. Super athlete, but he needs to hone his jumper (albeit has gotten a bit better). He's learning to man the point guard position, as well. He's a kid who probably doesn't have a true position on the floor, but he'll be just fine in the collegiate game. Just put him on the floor, and he'll fit in somewhere.
I've also wondered why we didn't go after him, either. I threw his name out a couple years ago to an assistant on the previous staff.
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No heron? Hmm. Good for ponds. Wonder if we still have a shot at hamidou. Also why not go after seventh woods? all this talk of heron getting swiped from us when it was all but sure he was coming here due to sneaker connections. Woods is a UA kid who after cursory research is looking at south Carolina (UA school) and UNC (losing out on kids with proverbial ncaa black cloud). Why can't we beat out them and use these "sneaker connections to our advantage? Woods seems like a special talent. Maybe there is something with his story that I'm missing .
Woods is a homebody and super shy. New York is not the place for him. I think you're overestimating the sneaker play too.
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I'm not saying we get him automatically because he's UA just wasn't sure why we never took a shot. Homebody makes more sense. Just wonder about this sneaker connection because everybody and their mother had heron as about as much of a lock as we've seen so far and then on a dime (Dave was probably the first to have it) things changed and whenever anyone was pressd for a response those "in the know" would just be like "adidas". Pretty frustrating situation all together. Again, major congrats to ponds. Hopefully we get him and yakwe, although I never consider anybody a lock anywhere while they still have official visits other places with the way these kids change their minds. Does anyone know why heron isn't playing in UA or Nike Bahamas or was he just not selected. Says alot about shamorie and his rise into the national recruiting spotlight
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No heron? Hmm. Good for ponds. Wonder if we still have a shot at hamidou. Also why not go after seventh woods? all this talk of heron getting swiped from us when it was all but sure he was coming here due to sneaker connections. Woods is a UA kid who after cursory research is looking at south Carolina (UA school) and UNC (losing out on kids with proverbial ncaa black cloud). Why can't we beat out them and use these "sneaker connections to our advantage? Woods seems like a special talent. Maybe there is something with his story that I'm missing .
Woods is a homebody and super shy. New York is not the place for him.
Actually, I can somewhat agree with you there.
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I know everyone wants to think this is a wrap but I'd still be very wary of Minnesota. We've been burned lately and Minnesota has made him one of their top priorities as well. If he's taking his visits then he has one there sept 18-20 I believe. He's known kimani young his whole life and they're very tight. Shamorie recently had an interesting exchange with Gary Trent Jr on twitter. Joking (hopefully from what I can tell) about committing to Minnesota and a few fans I know of theirs seem confident and say their board is confident just like ours. I really hope we get him and hope our sources are right but if he does take that visit I'd just temper expectations. We've been the poster boys for how things can change very quickly around here lately.
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I know everyone wants to think this is a wrap but I'd still be very weary of Minnesota. We've been burned lately and Minnesota has made him one of their top priorities as well. If he's taking his visits then he has one there sept 18-20 I believe. He's known kimani young his whole life and they're very tight. Shamorie recently had an interesting exchange with Gary Trent Jr on twitter. Joking (hopefully from what I can tell) about committing to Minnesota and a few fans I know of theirs seem confident and say their board is confident just like ours. I really hope we get him and hope our sources are right but if he does take that visit I'd just temper expectations. We've been the poster boys for how things can change very quickly around here lately.
Like I said, let's get after Rawle
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I know everyone wants to think this is a wrap but I'd still be very weary of Minnesota. We've been burned lately and Minnesota has made him one of their top priorities as well. If he's taking his visits then he has one there sept 18-20 I believe. He's known kimani young his whole life and they're very tight. Shamorie recently had an interesting exchange with Gary Trent Jr on twitter. Joking (hopefully from what I can tell) about committing to Minnesota and a few fans I know of theirs seem confident and say their board is confident just like ours. I really hope we get him and hope our sources are right but if he does take that visit I'd just temper expectations. We've been the poster boys for how things can change very quickly around here lately.
Doomed
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I know everyone wants to think this is a wrap but I'd still be very weary of Minnesota. We've been burned lately and Minnesota has made him one of their top priorities as well. If he's taking his visits then he has one there sept 18-20 I believe. He's known kimani young his whole life and they're very tight. Shamorie recently had an interesting exchange with Gary Trent Jr on twitter. Joking (hopefully from what I can tell) about committing to Minnesota and a few fans I know of theirs seem confident and say their board is confident just like ours. I really hope we get him and hope our sources are right but if he does take that visit I'd just temper expectations. We've been the poster boys for how things can change very quickly around here lately.
I'm usually weary of Minnesota just a couple hours after landing there. ;)
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we have taken plenty of kicks to the nuts lately. I can't believe we lose this kid to Minnesota.
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How many New York kids has Kimani got to commit?
At FIU he got Jason Boswell to commit. He averaged a whopping 1.1 ppg his freshman year. Last year he got Dupree McBrayer (New Heights connect) who is very similar to Ponds but a poor man's version.
I'm friendly with Kimani and I think he's a very sharp guy but respectfully his track record of recruiting isn't at the level of Slice or Matt. If I had to put my chips in one corner it would be confidently with St. John's between the two.
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How many New York kids has Kimani got to commit?
At FIU he got Jason Boswell to commit. He averaged a whopping 1.1 ppg his freshman year. Last year he got Dupree McBrayer (New Heights connect) who is very similar to Ponds but a poor man's version.
I'm friendly with Kimani and I think he's a very sharp guy but respectfully his track record of recruiting isn't at the level of Slice or Matt. If I had to put my chips in one corner it would be confidently with St. John's between the two.
Not disagreeing with you on Kimani here but who has Matt recruited out of NYC high schools either..?
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How many New York kids has Kimani got to commit?
At FIU he got Jason Boswell to commit. He averaged a whopping 1.1 ppg his freshman year. Last year he got Dupree McBrayer (New Heights connect) who is very similar to Ponds but a poor man's version.
I'm friendly with Kimani and I think he's a very sharp guy but respectfully his track record of recruiting isn't at the level of Slice or Matt. If I had to put my chips in one corner it would be confidently with St. John's between the two.
Not disagreeing with you on Kimani here but who has Matt recruited out of NYC high schools either..?
Not a big recruit but turned out great.
Dustin Hogue
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How many New York kids has Kimani got to commit?
At FIU he got Jason Boswell to commit. He averaged a whopping 1.1 ppg his freshman year. Last year he got Dupree McBrayer (New Heights connect) who is very similar to Ponds but a poor man's version.
I'm friendly with Kimani and I think he's a very sharp guy but respectfully his track record of recruiting isn't at the level of Slice or Matt. If I had to put my chips in one corner it would be confidently with St. John's between the two.
Not disagreeing with you on Kimani here but who has Matt recruited out of NYC high schools either..?
Not many but overall body of work he's been responsible for a lot of recruits.
Out of metro area Dustin Hogue, Hallice Cook, and if you want to include George Niang out of Mass.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 42s43 seconds ago
Shamorie Ponds said "it's possible" he makes decision before taking visits. #sjubb
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 42s43 seconds ago
Shamorie Ponds said "it's possible" he makes decision before taking visits. #sjubb
Maybe, he pops tomorrow following the game.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Still get feeling Shamorie Ponds will take his visits, but opportunity to announce on national TV could change things. #sjubb
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Nothing like being wanted (Whitey Bulger aside) Good for him!
@NYPost_Brazille: Sounds like #sjubb fans have made their voice heard with Shamorie Ponds. "A lot of people are telling me to stay home."
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Zach B just tweeted that we shouldn't expect an announcement tonight.
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Today
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Today
For Yakwe. Hope you are right on Ponds as well.
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Today
For Yakwe. Hope you are right on Ponds as well.
Both on board
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Today
For Yakwe. Hope you are right on Ponds as well.
Both on board
Know that but did not think Ponds was popping today.
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Today
For Yakwe. Hope you are right on Ponds as well.
Both on board
Know that but did not think Ponds was popping today.
Most interested in the status of Lovett
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https://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1795133#sthash.sqMAr3XJ.uxfs
Ponds continues to exhibit some PG skills, real combo guard.
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Why won't Ponds commit? I won't be happy until I actually see it.
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Thank you Willie😀
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Nice job Willie!!! I now expect a commitment by weeks' end
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Shamorie's rampage continues as he gives TJ Gibbs the business tn:
Jefferson basketball @Jeffbballbklyn 1h1 hour ago 145th Street / Lenox Avenue (Malcolm X Blvd - 6th Ave) - Manhattan, NY
Slick Ponds is Killing🔫💣🔨🔪 Temple Gibbs in Tri-State! 21 1st half points!
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The amount of love that fans showed for Ponds at Elite 24 was insane. Every time he touched the ball fans went crazy.
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The amount of love that fans showed for Ponds at Elite 24 was insane. Every time he touched the ball fans went crazy.
Dave you have any idea if him and Rawle are tight?
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The amount of love that fans showed for Ponds at Elite 24 was insane. Every time he touched the ball fans went crazy.
Dave you have any idea if him and Rawle are tight?
Not tight but they get along. Rawle isn't staying home.
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The amount of love that fans showed for Ponds at Elite 24 was insane. Every time he touched the ball fans went crazy.
Dave you have any idea if him and Rawle are tight?
Not tight but they get along. Rawle isn't staying home.
I honestly never thought we had a shot.
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The amount of love that fans showed for Ponds at Elite 24 was insane. Every time he touched the ball fans went crazy.
Dave you have any idea if him and Rawle are tight?
Not tight but they get along. Rawle isn't staying home.
I honestly never thought we had a shot.
But because he's a NY kid and had a couple quotes after Mullin was hired about how honored he was everyone is clamoring for him.
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The amount of love that fans showed for Ponds at Elite 24 was insane. Every time he touched the ball fans went crazy.
Dave you have any idea if him and Rawle are tight?
Not tight but they get along. Rawle isn't staying home.
I honestly never thought we had a shot.
But because he's a NY kid and had a couple quotes after Mullin was hired about how honored he was everyone is clamoring for him.
That's understandable. It sucks "losing" local talent to OOS programs.
As a die hard Hurricane football fan, I've grown accustomed to SEC schools and other elite programs pillaging South Florida for blue chip talent.
Verrrrrrrrrry difficult for private schools with smaller alumni bases to compete against publicly funded fotball factories.
Doesn't mean we should try, though.
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The amount of love that fans showed for Ponds at Elite 24 was insane. Every time he touched the ball fans went crazy.
Dave you have any idea if him and Rawle are tight?
Not tight but they get along. Rawle isn't staying home.
I honestly never thought we had a shot.
But because he's a NY kid and had a couple quotes after Mullin was hired about how honored he was everyone is clamoring for him.
That's understandable. It sucks "losing" local talent to OOS programs.
As a die hard Hurricane football fan, I've grown accustomed to SEC schools and other elite programs pillaging South Florida for blue chip talent.
Verrrrrrrrrry difficult for private schools with smaller alumni bases to compete against publicly funded fotball factories.
Doesn't mean we should try, though.
Should try or shouldnt try?
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Doesn't mean we shouldn't* try.
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Doesn't mean we shouldn't* try.
Depends. If you waste a lot of resources chasing him and don't get him you could have devoted those resources elsewhere. Also if you don't show him love or a lot of you will drop from list sooner rather than later when you are mentioned all along but still don't get. Different strokes for different folks.
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When Rawle made his top 10 one blogger joked that a recruit making a top 10 list is the equivalent to saying.. ”Now there are only 5-6 teams that will waste time recruiting me even though they have no chance at landing me as opposed to earlier where there were probably 15-20.”
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Doesn't mean we shouldn't* try.
Depends. If you waste a lot of resources chasing him and don't get him you could have devoted those resources elsewhere. Also if you don't show him love or a lot of you will drop from list sooner rather than later when you are mentioned all along but still don't get. Different strokes for different folks.
Why continue to recruit him if his mind is already made up that he's leaving NYC, just to have him continue to list us? Well that's a joke.
I can see that if he isn't sure, but if his mind is already made up then lets be done with him. There will be be others that will want to don the Red & White.
Yeah it sucks to lose top local talent, but hey shit happens so just move on. Yakwe has committed. Will Ponds and Ahmed be the next two?
With Rawle or not with him, SJU are making moves.
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No doubt, recruiting a kid like Alkins can be interpreted as a waste of resources if he commits elsewhere. Then again, that'd be the case for every team he doesn't select.
Double edged sword: Damned if you do, and be more damned if you don't.
Mullin said he was going to make NYC a priority. Recruiting Alkins supports his comment. If anything, local coaches will heeed the attention being placed on Alkins and other NYC kids. I can't imagine that having a negative impact on us down the line.
I hear you, though.
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Recruiting just enough that if he has a change of heart they are in good. Relax guys anyways back to Ponds....lets get 'em
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Dave hit the nail on the head. Plus a lot easier to take this approach for a stud in your backyard than one in a different part of the country.
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Dave hit the nail on the head. Plus a lot easier to take this approach for a stud in your backyard than one in a different part of the country.
Some people aren't smart enough to see the logic in your statement there
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If we land Yakwe and Ponds, we aren't losing the local talent. We are succeeding in landing the right NYC talent. Both top 60 kids who will serve us well and are local. Staying on Alkins is fine. I don't think you'll see this staff putting all eggs in one basket like prior staff.
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If we land Yakwe and Ponds, we aren't losing the local talent. We are succeeding in landing the right NYC talent. Both top 60 kids who will serve us well and are local. Staying on Alkins is fine. I don't think you'll see this staff putting all eggs in one basket like prior staff.
That's basically how I view it, as well.
Recruit your backyard and see what transpires. Continue to mine the fertile ground throughout the nation and abroad, and get the best possible player or fit for what the staff is attempting to do.
We're gonna win some and lose some in our backyard. Just get our share. It's been that way for years other than Norm's time at St. John's. But, there will be some kids from other parts of the nation and overseas who will see us as a viable option.
Yakwe is already on board, while Ahmed and Ponds are on deck. Hopefully, Lightfoot doesn't commit anywhere prior to visiting St. John's. I'd like to see him, at least, visit before popping for a school. I'm sure a few other names probably will pop up throughout the new few months. Alkins would be the icing on the cake, but not sweating it one way or the other.
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If we land Yakwe and Ponds, we aren't losing the local talent. We are succeeding in landing the right NYC talent. Both top 60 kids who will serve us well and are local. Staying on Alkins is fine. I don't think you'll see this staff putting all eggs in one basket like prior staff.
Agree with everything you said plus ponds and Yakwe are 4 year guys. That is most important in my mind.
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If we land Yakwe and Ponds, we aren't losing the local talent. We are succeeding in landing the right NYC talent. Both top 60 kids who will serve us well and are local. Staying on Alkins is fine. I don't think you'll see this staff putting all eggs in one basket like prior staff.
That's basically how I view it, as well.
Recruit your backyard and see what transpires. Continue to mine the fertile ground throughout the nation and abroad, and get the best possible player or fit for what the staff is attempting to do.
We're gonna win some and lose some in our backyard. Just get our share. It's been that way for years other than Norm's time at St. John's. But, there will be some kids from other parts of the nation and overseas who will see us as a viable option.
Yakwe is already on board, while Ahmed and Ponds are on deck. Hopefully, Lightfoot doesn't commit anywhere prior to visiting St. John's. I'd like to see him, at least, visit before popping for a school. I'm sure a few other names probably will pop up throughout the new few months. Alkins would be the icing on the cake, but not sweating it one way or the other.
Spot on Dink!
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Up to #42 in ESPN revised top 100. Yakwe was set for a huge bump but now is not in the 2016 because he reclassified obviously.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings
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Jefferson basketball @Jeffbballbklyn · 9m9 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Slick Ponds 31pts out duals Mustafa Heron 23pts in Tri-State Classic Final to take Chip back 2 BK🍊🌊🏀🏦💪🙏😎
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Jefferson basketball @Jeffbballbklyn · 9m9 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Slick Ponds 31pts out duals Mustafa Heron 23pts in Tri-State Classic Final to take Chip back 2 BK🍊🌊🏀🏦💪🙏😎
Well Well Well
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@NYPost_Brazille: Shamorie Ponds begins #sjubb official visit tomorrow.
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Who is St. John's biggest competition for his services at this point..?
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Who is St. John's biggest competition for his services at this point..?
No one.
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Who is St. John's biggest competition for his services at this point..?
No one.
Is that good or bad thing..?
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Who is St. John's biggest competition for his services at this point..?
No one.
Is that good or bad thing..?
Sounds like you could answer your own questions. :)
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I'm hoping we lock him up this weekend. Sounds like there's a good chance we do.
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@ShamorieP: Official Visit to St. John's Today🏀. #SJUBB🔴⚫️⚪️
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@NYPost_Brazille: As @AdamZagoria reported last night, Shamorie Ponds #sjubb visit going very, very well. His coach: "He's got a smile from ear to ear."
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ponds in 2016 would make an excellent deep backcourt, hope it happens
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http://stjohns.forums.rivals.com/threads/shamorie-ponds-talks-about-st-john%E2%80%99s-visit.792/#.VeJNE_sMvxA.twitter
anybody?
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Greg Thompson @gregthompson27 35 minutes ago
Shamorie Ponds on his #SJUBB visit "Meeting w/ a HOFer, touring the Garden a good experience...the fans been going crazy" #BKSports
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Would love to see Ponds and LoVett in the same backcourt
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Don't heavy leans typically commit on their visit? Come Monday I get worried.
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Would love to see Ponds and LoVett in the same backcourt
Would really bring out the fans. I really believe it. Plus a lot of wins.
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Don't heavy leans typically commit on their visit? Come Monday I get worried.
Well sometimes they'll give a silent verbal. They will pick a date to publicly announce.
Other times they flat out commits.
Nothing is exactly typical.
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Don't heavy leans typically commit on their visit? Come Monday I get worried.
No not necessarily as Dave explains.
And I am not 100% convinced he will take his visits.
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@AdamZagoria: Asked if they could make a decision Monday night, Shawn Ponds said, “Yes.”
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Tick, tick, tick;
http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/shamorie-ponds-to-huddle-with-family-following-st-johns-visit/
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Really like this move by Shamorie and his family, shows maturity. He really enjoyed his visit but seems like they want to take a step away and have a discussion. It's very easy to get caught up in the excitement of a great visit and commit on the spot but taking a step back and going over your options is a great idea. Would be very surprised if he doesn't commit to us this week.
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@NYPost_Brazille: By tonight should get an idea of whether Shamorie Ponds will take more visits or make a decision. Family dinner at 7 to figure it out.#sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: By tonight should get an idea of whether Shamorie Ponds will take more visits or make a decision. Family dinner at 7 to figure it out.#sjubb
(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2015/gifs/leo-toast-9.w529.h352.gif)
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The Twitter stalkers will be all over this kids account all night long now...
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The Twitter stalkers will be all over this kids account all night long now...
I may (keyword is "may") can understand a certain group being on his Twitter account, but not another particular group.
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Barring some drastic change of heart Ponds will not be taking any more visits and his commitment is imminent. Timetable for all this is not known but don't think it will drag on much longer.
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:coolsmiley:
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@AdamZagoria: No decision tonight from @ShamorieP , his dad tells @SNYtv Will revisit decision later.
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@NYPost_Brazille: "As of now" the plan is for Shamorie Ponds to take his final two visits, with Providence and Minnesota, his dad says. #sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: "As of now" the plan is for Shamorie Ponds to take his final two visits, with Providence and Minnesota, his dad says. #sjubb
I think Shamorie's Dad is trying to find the end of the rainbow. Kid wants to commit here.
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@NYPost_Brazille: "As of now" the plan is for Shamorie Ponds to take his final two visits, with Providence and Minnesota, his dad says. #sjubb
I think Shamorie's Dad is trying to find the end of the rainbow. Kid wants to commit here.
Hopefully Dad told him if he still feels like committing tomorrow morning he can! :)
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Arizona offered and wants to visit this weekend per zags.........wow :'(
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Arizona offered and wants to visit this weekend per zags.........wow :'(
Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Big wrinkle in the @ShamorieP story. Arizona offered today and wants to visit this weekend, Bud Pollard tells @SNYtv
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@ShamorieP: Arizona offer 😱😱
Oh boy....
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@ShamorieP: Arizona offer 😱😱
Oh boy....
So close!
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Book needs to back off, he's too late. Slice, Abs, and Dan need to keep on keeping on. With all respect to Chiles times are a changing, there's now a bench filled with BK residents, I remain confident.
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This is what happened with Briscoe. We had him about to commit and Seton Hall came in and convinced him to wait. Then Cal came in and took him away. Seton Hall wasn't even in it at the end. This Willard is killing the Big East. Very underachieving coach, and he messes up our recruiting. And St. John;s is the most important school for the Big East.
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Relax;
@AdamZagoria: Slick Ponds is not adding any new schools to his list, coach Bud Pollard now tells @SNYtv after talking to Ponds'dad
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@NYPost_Brazille: Yes, Arizona offered #sjubb target Shamorie Ponds, but I'm told they aren't bring added to list. Same 4 schools.
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Relax;
@AdamZagoria: Slick Ponds is not adding any new schools to his list, coach Bud Pollard now tells @SNYtv after talking to Ponds'dad
@NYPost_Brazille: Yes, Arizona offered #sjubb target Shamorie Ponds, but I'm told they aren't bring added to list. Same 4 schools.
Based on those tweets, then it sounds like they probably won't listen to 'Zona's pitch. If that's the case, then he'll probably commit to St. John's shortly.
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Relax;
@AdamZagoria: Slick Ponds is not adding any new schools to his list, coach Bud Pollard now tells @SNYtv after talking to Ponds'dad
@NYPost_Brazille: Yes, Arizona offered #sjubb target Shamorie Ponds, but I'm told they aren't bring added to list. Same 4 schools.
Based on those tweets, then it sounds like they probably won't listen to 'Zona's pitch. If that's the case, then he'll probably commit to St. John's shortly.
Yes
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@ShamorieP: Arizona offer 😱😱
Oh boy....
So close!
You really think that Chris is sweating Arizona? I really doubt it.
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@ShamorieP: Arizona offer 😱😱
Oh boy....
So close!
You really think that Chris is sweating Arizona? I really doubt it.
No, I was just joking around. Think it's a bit too late for Zona.
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Lets all panic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zona offer, visit, etc. > much ado about nothing.
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Lets all panic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What could go wrong?
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Lets all panic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What could go wrong?
I knew Mullin couldn't close this deal. This sucks. Bring back Lavin. At least I don't feel bad about bashing him.
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Lets all panic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What could go wrong?
I knew Mullin couldn't close this deal. This sucks. Bring back Lavin. At least I don't feel bad about bashing him.
Sorry. Forgot to add my sarcastic emojis to the post above.
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Lets all panic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What could go wrong?
Iona could be involved!
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Until he commits, anything could go wrong. If he's 100% going to SJU just announce it already
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@ShamorieP: Arizona offer 😱😱
Oh boy....
So close!
You really think that Chris is sweating Arizona? I really doubt it.
In this case no, but in general do you think Arizona's really sweating Chris? They are a recruiting juggernaut. I think the one thing they found is that after relying on Sean and Book's east coast connections early (Momo, Parrom, etc...) that they didn't need to do that. They could target top west coast kids and do great. They' sign 3 top 50's every year and have signed 6 top 10s in the past 4. They're doing just fine.
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@ShamorieP: Arizona offer 😱😱
Oh boy....
So close!
You really think that Chris is sweating Arizona? I really doubt it.
I think we still land Ponds, but you can't blame anyone on this forum for being a little nervous given what has happened to us in the past.
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Lets all panic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What could go wrong?
Iona could be involved!
He would be a nice option off the bench for the Gaels
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Shamorie, listen up:
"There’s something about kids who stay home. We take care of our own.” Chris Mullin #SJUBB
https://twitter.com/StJohnsBBall/status/639233284724105216
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Love it
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/shamorie-ponds-to-host-school-visits-still-planning-two-more-official-visits/
The 6-foot-1 Thomas Jefferson guard hosts St. John’s head coach Chris Mullin, Creighton coach Greg McDermott and Providence coach Ed Cooley on Wednesday at his school, and Minnesota head man Richard Pitino comes in Thursday.
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Anything new on this kid? I was hoping "imminent" was sooner, if that is still the case. Have no problem if he wants to take his time but certainly would like to lock this kid up.
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Anything new on this kid? I was hoping "imminent" was sooner, if that is still the case. Have no problem if he wants to take his time but certainly would like to lock this kid up.
Appears to be just enjoying the process.
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Down the stretch they come;
@NYPost_Brazille: Entire #sjubb staff will be at Jefferson for top target Shamorie Ponds tomorrow morning.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/shamorie-ponds-enjoys-providence-visit-uncertain-of-next-move/
Ponds is just about ready...
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/shamorie-ponds-enjoys-providence-visit-uncertain-of-next-move/
Ponds is just about ready...
As, a few of you may know, word through the grapevine is Ponds was ready to verbal to us after his visit, but his dad insisted he take his remaining officials. Maybe, he's ready to pop for us now.
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Hoping he has seen everything he needs to make a decision.
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Hoping he has seen everything he needs to make a decision.
Yup! Btw, Cooley is obviously covering his flank after apparently offering Ponds 35 mpg as his PG during his visit to PC.
@pcbb1917: Providence HC Ed Cooley and asst Jeff Battle will be down to watch 2016 PG Davion Mintz at his school this week, per source #pcbb #gofriars
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 2h2 hours ago
Shamorie Ponds visit to Minnesota remains up in air at moment, his dad says. #sjubb
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Shamorie just follow your heart. You can be a king here
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Pitino and Kimani were at St. Rays today. Dropping by to see Ponds on this trip?
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Pitino and Kimani were at St. Rays today. Dropping by to see Ponds on this trip?
Or not. :)
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Paultz or Happy- decision soon?
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Paultz or Happy- decision soon?
One would think.
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Not visiting Minny this weekend.
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https://twitter.com/nypost_brazille/status/644150646871076868
"@NYPost_Brazille: Heard a press conference for Shamorie Ponds is likely not just an announcement. #sjubb"
Ummmm..........what? Is there a press conference scheduled. What is this supposed to mean?
EDIT: I think I get it now. Zach just missing some punctuation.
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He's ours;
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 53m53 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
To be clear on earlier Shamorie Ponds tweet, press conference to commit is expected. #sjubb
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Bank...
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We are!
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Awesome news if accurate. Assuming Yawke for 2016, him and Ponds is a terrific start to that class (putting aside the good work the staff did in short order for 2015)
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Bank...
Yup
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Any idea when the press conference would be? And do we have anything to worry about here? I feel like we've been down this road so many times expecting a commitment only to get burned.
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Any idea when the press conference would be? And do we have anything to worry about here? I feel like we've been down this road so many times expecting a commitment only to get burned.
Yakwe did not burn us. :) I would relax on this one as Fordham noted above.
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If this is like the Sampson recruitment then no news is bad news. Looks like Happy and Zach were both wrong. In this case it appears as if it's his parents that don't want him around, especially his Mom. This has ground to a halt after yesterday's "not just an announcement" press conference was imminent. Not even one posting today about Shamorie.
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If this is like the Sampson recruitment then no news is bad news. Looks like Happy and Zach were both wrong. In this case it appears as if it's his parents that don't want him around, especially his Mom. This has ground to a halt after yesterday's "not just an announcement" press conference was imminent. Not even one posting today about Shamorie.
I rarely post anymore so i am not sure what i am wrong about.. but i'll bite??? If nobody posts about Shamorie in a day that is a bad thing to you?? Then you say his own parents don't want him around?? Awesome!! :)
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If this is like the Sampson recruitment then no news is bad news. Looks like Happy and Zach were both wrong. In this case it appears as if it's his parents that don't want him around, especially his Mom. This has ground to a halt after yesterday's "not just an announcement" press conference was imminent. Not even one posting today about Shamorie.
Truly insightful post. You shouldn't be shy about posting more of these well thought out and researched opinions.
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Guys, there's going to be a press conference where Shamorie Ponds will announce his college decision. It will take place sometime between now, and next March. Is that so hard to digest?
Just because it takes 3 seconds to tell people where you're going to go to college doesn't mean that a 16 year old is going to do it.
And, once he picks St.John's, we can begin calling him "Sham-Wow".
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If this is like the Sampson recruitment then no news is bad news. Looks like Happy and Zach were both wrong. In this case it appears as if it's his parents that don't want him around, especially his Mom. This has ground to a halt after yesterday's "not just an announcement" press conference was imminent. Not even one posting today about Shamorie.
I rarely post anymore so i am not sure what i am wrong about.. but i'll bite??? If nobody posts about Shamorie in a day that is a bad thing to you?? Then you say his own parents don't want him around?? Awesome!! :)
+1
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If this is like the Sampson recruitment then no news is bad news. Looks like Happy and Zach were both wrong. In this case it appears as if it's his parents that don't want him around, especially his Mom. This has ground to a halt after yesterday's "not just an announcement" press conference was imminent. Not even one posting today about Shamorie.
Don't see the connection.
For the record Sampson's Mom loved St. John's and Lavin. They were cautious because of Lav's job security and rightfully so. In the end the pitch to play at LSU with Simmons + Blakeney felt like a better bet for him than a very unknown situation at St. John's. I don't hold anything against Sampson for the decision he made and I'd probably make the same one.
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If this is like the Sampson recruitment then no news is bad news. Looks like Happy and Zach were both wrong. In this case it appears as if it's his parents that don't want him around, especially his Mom. This has ground to a halt after yesterday's "not just an announcement" press conference was imminent. Not even one posting today about Shamorie.
I rarely post anymore so i am not sure what i am wrong about.. but i'll bite??? If nobody posts about Shamorie in a day that is a bad thing to you?? Then you say his own parents don't want him around?? Awesome!! :)
+1
It's obvious he's a poster on Redmen, as Happy hasn't posted on this thread in awhile, if ever, on this particular board.
I believe he's probably also scouring the competition boards. Nevertheless, I think he's fishing for a reaction.
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If this is like the Sampson recruitment then no news is bad news. Looks like Happy and Zach were both wrong. In this case it appears as if it's his parents that don't want him around, especially his Mom. This has ground to a halt after yesterday's "not just an announcement" press conference was imminent. Not even one posting today about Shamorie.
What knowledge do you have to make a statement his parents don't want him around NYC?
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@NYPost_Brazille: Creighton and Providence stopped by to see Shamorie Ponds yesterday, source says. #sjubb
@NYPost_Brazille: St. John's also stopped by Jefferson to see Shamorie Ponds on Thursday. #sjubb
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There is a coaching staff competing against us for Ponds that is telling him and his family that it's a negative that we don't have any African Americans on staff.
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There is a coaching staff competing against us for Ponds that is telling him and his family that it's a negative that we don't have any African Americans on staff.
If true, that doesn't surprise me. Honestly, I had this strange hunch that was the hold up in his announcement. It could possibly hurt us in the end.
Get Mitch Richmond on the horn, ASAP.
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Well Theo I think we know based on the teams in the running who you are referring to. First off, to the extent it even matters, I am sure sure that Chris & Co. have told them that Mitch is expected to join. Second, I can't believe that other staffs would say that guys like Chris, Slice and Matt, given their background, aren't "black" enough. I truly hope that Ponds' family is not listening to that nonsense.
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Well Theo I think we know based on the teams in the running who you are referring to. First off, to the extent it even matters, I am sure sure that Chris & Co. have told them that Mitch is expected to join. Second, I can't believe that other staffs would say that guys like Chris, Slice and Matt, given their background, aren't "black" enough. I truly hope that Ponds' family is not listening to that nonsense.
It doesn't have anything to do with our staff not being "black" enough. I wouldn't doubt one bit the Ponds' trust the current staff to the fullest. Most of the kids playing hoops are black, so they are probably wondering why not have a strong, black figure on the bench. A guy like Richmond probably would go over well for most folks.
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Providence and Creighton are significantly less diverse than St John's in basically every way other than coaching staff. Ask Pascal Chukwu
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So the argument, Dink, is that guys like Slice and Chris - who grew up in Brooklyn and have been around and mentored young African-American kids/men their whole life -- are somehow not as qualified as Ed Cooley or Andre LaFleur? I'm surprised anyone would buy that.
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So the argument, Dink, is that guys like Slice and Chris - who grew up in Brooklyn and have been around and mentored young African-American kids/men their whole life -- are somehow not as qualified as Ed Cooley or Andre LaFleur? I'm surprised anyone would buy that.
Qualifications doesn't have anything to do with it.
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If this is like the Sampson recruitment then no news is bad news. Looks like Happy and Zach were both wrong. In this case it appears as if it's his parents that don't want him around, especially his Mom. This has ground to a halt after yesterday's "not just an announcement" press conference was imminent. Not even one posting today about Shamorie.
Truly insightful post. You shouldn't be shy about posting more of these well thought out and researched opinions.
Who cares which board Happy posted it on; he posted the happy face. Why did he do that? Was it a well "researched" response? Zach tweeted that a press conference was imminent and it was not just an announcement. Was that well researched? People were posting things like "bank". And "Yup". Then yesterday, although the press conference was imminent, not one single post. That seemed a little odd and it concerned me.
And Dave, I was not reffering to Brandon's parents, I was reffering to the fact that he was leaning heavily to SJU, then the silence and the news he was going to LSU.
And as far as Shamorie's parents not wanting him to stay home: He has been "leaning" to us for so long and then we hear how he is just about to commit. Then we hear how his parents are insisting he visit other schools. We don't get any mention of a press conference. This doesn't concern anyone? If he's such a St. John's lean why doesn't he just commit. If I told my parents I wanted to go to a certain school but they insisted I visit other schools in other cities, I'd start to wonder. It hardly seems like a ringing endorsement for St. John's. That's why I said it seems like his parents don't really want him to stay home. You don't have to do much "research." So we go from an announcement is imminent to total silence, but that doesn't concern anyone. Awesome. Well thought out.
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So he's concerned about the coaching staff but has no problem that the other two schools and cities are two of the least diverse in the country. Yeah that makes sense.
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So he's concerned about the coaching staff but has no problem that the other two schools and cities are two of the least diverse in the country. Yeah that makes sense.
Agree-SJU is the most diverse private university in the country. I think it is what every hot shot wants--Minutes. PU apparently promised 35/game. Here it would NOT be a guarantee nor even that many minutes.
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Prov board feeling confident:
From what I hear, I'm very confident in Ponds coming to Friartown.
http://www.scout.com/college/providence/forums/1323-friar-talk/14073236-ponds-meets-with-chris-mullin-commitment-coming-soon?s=425&page=8
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Other than the 1 quote you wrote. I didn't read any other posts that said he was comming to PC. There were posts hoping he was coming.
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Prov board feeling confident:
From what I hear, I'm very confident in Ponds coming to Friartown.
http://www.scout.com/college/providence/forums/1323-friar-talk/14073236-ponds-meets-with-chris-mullin-commitment-coming-soon?s=425&page=8
Well that does it he's going to Providence...
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Sensing we still prevail at the end of the day.
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Sensing we still prevail at the end of the day.
You don't sound as confident as you were a couple days ago
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Sensing we still prevail at the end of the day.
Thanks Paultz!
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Maybe half the staff should be white, half black in college ball? Same with the roster?
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Sensing we still prevail at the end of the day.
You don't sound as confident as you were a couple days ago
Ebbs & flows of recruiting, but still feel fine about this.
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http://nypost.com/2015/09/19/one-four-star-recruit-could-turn-st-johns-frown-upside-down/
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Yes Providence fans, your coach who dropped the n-bomb while mic'd up at the Big East Tournament WOULD play the race card:
https://youtu.be/ix9-3aMygss?t=1m27s
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If this is like the Sampson recruitment then no news is bad news. Looks like Happy and Zach were both wrong. In this case it appears as if it's his parents that don't want him around, especially his Mom. This has ground to a halt after yesterday's "not just an announcement" press conference was imminent. Not even one posting today about Shamorie.
Truly insightful post. You shouldn't be shy about posting more of these well thought out and researched opinions.
From Zach's article: "...members of his family feel that staying at home would not be the best thing for his growth and development". Based on all the other previous quotes, it didn't take a rocket scientist or Phd. level research to figure out that's what was going on Pete88. Wise a#&.
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Zach just stole your material Willie G! :)
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Maven saying on Twitter that Richmond will be on staff soon, while mentioning that other staffs soon won't be able to say sju doesn't have any African American coaches
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Maven saying on Twitter that Richmond will be on staff soon, while mentioning that other staffs soon won't be able to say sju doesn't have any African American coaches
What's the hurry? Gitter dun!!!!!
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Yes Providence fans, your coach who dropped the n-bomb while mic'd up at the Big East Tournament WOULD play the race card:
https://youtu.be/ix9-3aMygss?t=1m27s
Listened 11 times. No racial term is spoken.
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Yes Providence fans, your coach who dropped the n-bomb while mic'd up at the Big East Tournament WOULD play the race card:
https://youtu.be/ix9-3aMygss?t=1m27s
Listened 11 times. No racial term is spoken.
Yeah, I'm not hearing anything close to what you're saying there.
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Yes Providence fans, your coach who dropped the n-bomb while mic'd up at the Big East Tournament WOULD play the race card:
https://youtu.be/ix9-3aMygss?t=1m27s
Listened 11 times. No racial term is spoken.
Yeah, I'm not hearing anything close to what you're saying there.
1:32 mark when he repeated the blue carpet line...slipped it in (putting one on a tee for you again, Celtics). Hard to tell if that's what he was actually saying. I don't like the usage, personally (not that I really have a say in whether or not its usage is ever warranted), but it was used in context rather than in a derogatory way for whatever that's worth.
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If someone had not mentioned it I wouldn't even have realized he may or may not have used that word. I would lean more to that he did not. It wouldn't make sense with the cameras on him and the context of what he's saying. I like Cooley, he bitches and moans a little too much on the sidelines for my taste but he's seems like a good coach. On the race thing if Ponds wants to be here he should be here for the quality of the coaches not because they are black or white. That said wouldn't hurt to have coach that isn't white because reality is the team is going to be predominantly made up of young black players.
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If providence is the competition, we shouldn't be worried. We beat them for sampson, Sanchez, and obekpa. Did Cooley beat us for anyone that we were both in on at the end? Plus now we have even better recruiters than under the under the last regime. It'll be good to get this kid in the fold, probably our best local recruit since Harkless
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Zach B inquired today about Ponds presser this week & was told nothing has been arranged yet.
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If providence is the competition, we shouldn't be worried. We beat them for sampson, Sanchez, and obekpa. Did Cooley beat us for anyone that we were both in on at the end? Plus now we have even better recruiters than under the under the last regime. It'll be good to get this kid in the fold, probably our best local recruit since Harkless
Cooley hasn't been able to compete with us during the summer. March is a different story.
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If providence is the competition, we shouldn't be worried. We beat them for sampson, Sanchez, and obekpa. Did Cooley beat us for anyone that we were both in on at the end? Plus now we have even better recruiters than under the under the last regime. It'll be good to get this kid in the fold, probably our best local recruit since Harkless
Yes a center or two. Was it Chukwa or another 7 footer. I forget. But this is different. They can offer a proven coach, a guaranteed starting position, and seem to have parents who might want him to go away. Though not too far. I don't like these situations where we are a lock - and then we're not. I say we're no better then 50 / 50 and the longer this goes on the worse it gets.
Also he's coached a kid who is the best player in the conference - a guard BTW.
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Anyone know what they're saying on the PC boards? Do they seem confident?
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Relax
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Relax
Thanks Paultz but it aint easy after losing Briscoe and Sampson at the end.
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Relax
Thanks Paultz but it aint easy after losing Briscoe and Sampson at the end.
Different staff, new era
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The race of the coaches makes some sense to me. But I would imagine St. John's is considerly more diverse then providence.
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The race of the coaches makes some sense to me. But I would imagine St. John's is considerly more diverse then providence.
Who in their right mind would go to New England over Queens because it's more racially diverse? This is the same New England that threw a noose onto the ice in a failed attempt to intimidate an African American hockey player on the Canadians.
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Relax
Thanks Paultz but it aint easy after losing Briscoe and Sampson at the end.
Different staff, new era
We'll see. I hope it's not going to turn into an "inexperienced" coach vs an experienced one.
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The race of the coaches makes some sense to me. But I would imagine St. John's is considerly more diverse then providence.
Who in their right mind would go to New England over Queens because it's more racially diverse? This is the same New England that threw a noose onto the ice in a failed attempt to intimidate an African American hockey player on the Canadians.
Oh come on, we are getting ridiculous, one who thinks like you (in terms of very general geographical stereotyping based on isolated incidents that are not necessarily indicative of that area) could retort and "this is the same NYC where James Blake was senselessly detained with excessive force by the police (or a whole host of other things).
We are getting out of hand here analyzing stuff that I am guessing is not going into Mr. Ponds' decision --- what happened at a Bruins? game shouldnt affect whether or not he wnats to attend Providence College. Just like what happened to James Blake should have no bearing on Shamorie's decision.
I'm not suggesting that this is impossible to factor into his thinking - I am sure it is - but our staff's rep precedes them, Mitch Richmond will supposedly be on staff, and our school is very diverse. I do not doubt the veracity of Theo's report that a coaching staff may have tried to use this against us, but I imagine it is fairly easily refuted, if the player and family even cared to begin with. That said, I think our overanalysis of this is giving way too much credence and thought to something that is probably not a major factor here when you think about all of the facts and circusmtances. That said, it is possible there are OTHER reasons why The Ponds' may (or may not) want their son to play out of town that are valid.
Some kids can't handle doing what they need to do to take it to the next level with all of their high school friends around. Some will be even more motivated knowing they are playing for their home town and in front of their home audience. Hopefully Shamorie is the kind of guy that represents the latter and hopefully his choice of school reflects that.
But geez let's just wait for this kid to make his decision....
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Relax
Thank-you Aron Rodgers! But I think you have to spell it out R-E-L-A-X! :)
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Anyone know what they're saying on the PC boards? Do they seem confident?
They are saying it is pronounced "chowda"
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The race of the coaches makes some sense to me. But I would imagine St. John's is considerly more diverse then providence.
Who in their right mind would go to New England over Queens because it's more racially diverse? This is the same New England that threw a noose onto the ice in a failed attempt to intimidate an African American hockey player on the Canadians.
Oh come on, we are getting ridiculous, one who thinks like you (in terms of very general geographical stereotyping based on isolated incidents that are not necessarily indicative of that area) could retort and "this is the same NYC where James Blake was senselessly detained with excessive force by the police (or a whole host of other things).
We are getting out of hand here analyzing stuff that I am guessing is not going into Mr. Ponds' decision --- what happened at a Bruins? game shouldnt affect whether or not he wnats to attend Providence College. Just like what happened to James Blake should have no bearing on Shamorie's decision.
I'm not suggesting that this is impossible to factor into his thinking - I am sure it is - but our staff's rep precedes them, Mitch Richmond will supposedly be on staff, and our school is very diverse. I do not doubt the veracity of Theo's report that a coaching staff may have tried to use this against us, but I imagine it is fairly easily refuted, if the player and family even cared to begin with. That said, I think our overanalysis of this is giving way too much credence and thought to something that is probably not a major factor here when you think about all of the facts and circusmtances. That said, it is possible there are OTHER reasons why The Ponds' may (or may not) want their son to play out of town that are valid.
Some kids can't handle doing what they need to do to take it to the next level with all of their high school friends around. Some will be even more motivated knowing they are playing for their home town and in front of their home audience. Hopefully Shamorie is the kind of guy that represents the latter and hopefully his choice of school reflects that.
But geez let's just wait for this kid to make his decision....
It was an isolated incident in the sense that one incident happens at a time.
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Would love to hear how race is an issue in college basketball
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Would love to hear how race is an issue in college basketball
The NCAA treats all D1 athletes like slaves.
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Next up, Ponds checked out the hometown school St. John's.
"They are basically saying that I could be the face of the franchise for the class of 2016," said Ponds.
"I'm their No. 1 recruit and that they could put me in a good situation right away."
With the visits out of the way, Ponds and his family have gone into decision making mode. Ponds indicated that the process has been wearing on him some and that he would like to get a decision made as soon as possible, but he did not specify any exact timetable.
https://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1805621
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Zach B tweeting it looks good for Johnnies.
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Zach B tweeting it looks good for Johnnies.
No reason to delay at this point unless there is a basic disagreement between the kid and his family / handlers. This scares the shit out of me. Delays, at this point are not in our favor.
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Zach B tweeting it looks good for Johnnies.
No reason to delay at this point unless there is a basic disagreement between the kid and his family / handlers. This scares the shit out of me. Delays, at this point are not in our favor.
As Moose would say, "Doomed" ;)
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Zach B tweeting it looks good for Johnnies.
No reason to delay at this point unless there is a basic disagreement between the kid and his family / handlers. This scares the shit out of me. Delays, at this point are not in our favor.
As Moose would say, "Doomed"
+1 Paultzman.
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No reason to delay at this point unless there is a basic disagreement between the kid and his family / handlers. This scares the shit out of me. Delays, at this point are not in our favor.
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Delays happen with just about every recruit. Case in point, a certain guard from Italy. Delays are neither good nor bad for us. Most of us expect this "delay" to be beneficial to the entire SJU BB program for years to come.
The best quote I read from Mr. Ponds was he knows that Coach Mullin is making him the premier recruit for 2016. That says volumes as to what his choice could be.
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@Geeter_Tweeter: @NYPost_Brazille NYC schools are closed tomorrow and Thursday so to me seems likely the announcement will be be at TJ next week #sjubb
Braziller responded to this with "wouldn't say that"'
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@AdamZagoria: Shawn Ponds,father of @ShamorieP , tells @snytv 'nothing new' on any potential decision/announcement.
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@AdamZagoria: Shawn Ponds,father of @ShamorieP , tells @snytv 'nothing new' on any potential decision/announcement.
So what, in your opinion, are we to make of that.
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@AdamZagoria: Shawn Ponds,father of @ShamorieP , tells @snytv 'nothing new' on any potential decision/announcement.
So what, in your opinion, are we to make of that.
Net of what it says, absolutely nothing.
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@AdamZagoria: Shawn Ponds,father of @ShamorieP , tells @snytv 'nothing new' on any potential decision/announcement.
So what, in your opinion, are we to make of that.
Net of what it says, absolutely nothing.
So what is the delay about ? Waiting for the fall equinox, the Pope's visit, for pigs to fly ? Do you really feel this delay is not hurting our chances ?
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@AdamZagoria: Shawn Ponds,father of @ShamorieP , tells @snytv 'nothing new' on any potential decision/announcement.
So what, in your opinion, are we to make of that.
Net of what it says, absolutely nothing.
So what is the delay about ? Waiting for the fall equinox, the Pope's visit, for pigs to fly ? Do you really feel this delay is not hurting our chances ?
Like the Mussini situation, sometimes you have to be patient. Go assume the worst. It seems something you are committed to. :)
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Paultz is the zen yoga master of recruiting. Quite, introspective, logical. We are lucky to have him pull people off the ledge.
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Ponds should pop for us within the next few days.
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Thanks Loughlin, we are!
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@AdamZagoria: Shawn Ponds,father of @ShamorieP , tells @snytv 'nothing new' on any potential decision/announcement.
So what, in your opinion, are we to make of that.
Net of what it says, absolutely nothing.
So what is the delay about ? Waiting for the fall equinox, the Pope's visit, for pigs to fly ? Do you really feel this delay is not hurting our chances ?
Like the Mussini situation, sometimes you have to be patient. Go assume the worst. It seems something you are committed to. :)
When something that is supposed to happen doesn't, within a reasonable time frame, that has been the recipe for disaster for us. Most if not all of us would've assumed this would be over by now. Mussini had to decide if he was going to play in Europe. Understandable. Ponds is different. There are no more visits to make. No more information to be gathered. Just not feeling very good about this.
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Ponds should pop for us within the next few days.
I like Fridays. :)
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@AdamZagoria: Shawn Ponds,father of @ShamorieP , tells @snytv 'nothing new' on any potential decision/announcement.
So what, in your opinion, are we to make of that.
Net of what it says, absolutely nothing.
So what is the delay about ? Waiting for the fall equinox, the Pope's visit, for pigs to fly ? Do you really feel this delay is not hurting our chances ?
Like the Mussini situation, sometimes you have to be patient. Go assume the worst. It seems something you are committed to. :)
When something that is supposed to happen doesn't, within a reasonable time frame, that has been the recipe for disaster for us. Most if not all of us would've assumed this would be over by now. Mussini had to decide if he was going to play in Europe. Understandable. Ponds is different. There are no more visits to make. No more information to be gathered. Just not feeling very good about this.
Nah
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Ponds should pop for us within the next few days.
I like Fridays. :)
It has to be Friday right? Aren't schools closed today and tomorrow? So if it's this week like people are saying then he will pop for hopefully SJU.
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@AdamZagoria: Shawn Ponds,father of @ShamorieP , tells @snytv 'nothing new' on any potential decision/announcement.
So what, in your opinion, are we to make of that.
Net of what it says, absolutely nothing.
So what is the delay about ? Waiting for the fall equinox, the Pope's visit, for pigs to fly ? Do you really feel this delay is not hurting our chances ?
Like the Mussini situation, sometimes you have to be patient. Go assume the worst. It seems something you are committed to. :)
When something that is supposed to happen doesn't, within a reasonable time frame, that has been the recipe for disaster for us. Most if not all of us would've assumed this would be over by now. Mussini had to decide if he was going to play in Europe. Understandable. Ponds is different. There are no more visits to make. No more information to be gathered. Just not feeling very good about this.
Disagree with your conclusion, but respect it.
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Would love to come here and read something about Ponds.
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Ponds' high school is open tomorrow. Just saying...
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Not happening tomorrow.
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Something isn't right here. I understand kids need time to make decisions but this timeline seems to gone off the track, which can't be good if we are considered the favorite and have been for quite a while.
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Slip sliding away!
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Slip sliding away!
Oh well, and guess what? Life goes on either way.
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Ponds' high school is open tomorrow. Just saying...
So, what are you saying?
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To get so worked up over the decision of a 17 year old is too much. I realize hes a big recruit and we could really use him but I have faith in the staff. Looking at the big picture and looking forward to the season will do wonders, no need to stress.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Shamorie Ponds father said nothing has changed, decision is "coming soon." But remains TBA. #sjubb #pcbb
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@NYPost_Brazille: Shamorie Ponds father said nothing has changed, decision is "coming soon." But remains TBA. #sjubb #pcbb
Paultzman, you realize that by posting this note, you will be asked by a dozen or so posters to interpret the tea leaves from the Brazille note, especially, "noting has changed" part.
My feeling is if it happens, it will happen. It is clearly our of our control.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Shamorie Ponds father said nothing has changed, decision is "coming soon." But remains TBA. #sjubb #pcbb
Paultzman, you realize that by posting this note, you will be asked by a dozen or so posters to interpret the tea leaves from the Brazille note, especially, "noting has changed" part.
My feeling is if it happens, it will happen. It is clearly our of our control.
Ha! I was told staff felt good about getting Ponds & were hopeful of wrapping this up very soon. Personally I am with you on your concluding statement.
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Removed a lot of posts in here that were not on topic. Not fair to the community when they log on and have to read nonsense when they are coming here to read news on Ponds' recruitment. Lets keep it on topic, thanks.
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Removed a lot of posts in here that were not on topic. Not fair to the community when they log on and have to read nonsense when they are coming here to read news on Ponds' recruitment. Lets keep it on topic, thanks.
Dave, thanks!
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If this is like the Sampson recruitment then no news is bad news. Looks like Happy and Zach were both wrong. In this case it appears as if it's his parents that don't want him around, especially his Mom. This has ground to a halt after yesterday's "not just an announcement" press conference was imminent. Not even one posting today about Shamorie.
Truly insightful post. You shouldn't be shy about posting more of these well thought out and researched opinions.
Dave, in the short time I have been posting here I have respected you as a moderator. When I posted the above quote, I thought that it was obvious that Ponds parents, or at least his mother, did not want him to stay in NYC. If anyone didn't, at the time, agree with me, then that is fine. That's what message boards are for. But when I saw the obnoxious and vitriolic posts, especially from Pete88, I have to admit, I was taken aback. It seemed obvious to me, based on his parents insisting he take other visits even though he himself wanted to go to SJU.
Then when Zachs article came out, confirming my theory, I grew angry about it. Nobody is hoping, more than me, that we land him. I felt I should respond to these obnoxious posts. If Pete88 doesn't have the dignity to admit when he is wrong, and apologize for his ad hominum attacks on me, that's one thing. But given the fact that the point I initially raised is now the central sticking point of the Ponds recruitment, and this very thread, I resent your assymetric response to the situation. Read his post above. That's obnoxious. Especially in light of the fact that he was dead wrong. Yet I was the one that you told to cool it. I realize that he is not man enough to apologize, but I'm still a bit disillusioned with you. What's going on man?
Dude, just stop. I looked through your post history and it was aggressive towards 3 different posters all in a row. Just chill and stay on topic. Non-issue moving on...
Just one more thing and then I am done (unless the attacks continue) Please notice above that Pete88 initiated the obnoxious language, not me. I know he has been here a lot longer than me but that is irrelevant to the situation. Also, those "three posts in a row" that you mentioned, were in response to three separate JJ members, who first attacked me ad hominum, for my perfectly reasonable post that turned out to be correct. They were shooting the messenger, and I was a little shocked by that. Should I have not responded? Nobody will be more disappointed then me if Ponds doesn't commit here. And no, I am not seeking credit for being the first one to accurately call the situation, but a few of these guys were shooting the messenger in very disrespectful tones.
P.S. If anyone feels the need to respond, I would hope that they respond to the actual text of the statements and not make some general criticism about the fact that I made one more post. For example don't say something like "Your still on this" or "get over it dude".
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Removed a lot of posts in here that were not on topic. Not fair to the community when they log on and have to read nonsense when they are coming here to read news on Ponds' recruitment. Lets keep it on topic, thanks.
Dave, thank you so much.
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I'm now hearing from some very reliable people that Shamorie's mom is complicating things considerably. In Jim Boeheim's book "Bleeding Orange" he emphasizes the fact that you have to recruit the mothers just as much as their sons. He was obviously very good at doing that. Lets hope that Chris and Slice can convince her that he will be in good hands with them.
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Hopefully we beat out Thayer Street
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Zagoria said on his podcast that he heard today that this could spill into a spring decision. Called the whole situation a "mess" and said the longer it plays out could be bad for St Johns. I honestly don't want to be the "I told you so" guy but at the beginning of the whole "shamorie is a lock" talk I said that nobody with official visits left should ever be considered a lock. Whether he ends up here or not, obviously it has not turned out to be the open and shut case many thought and made it out to be. I have been following basketball and football recruiting for a while and most teams and fan bases don't even count on a kid, who is verbally committed, on being there ultimately if they're still taking visits. Obviously some guys heard something and im not doubting any sources but I'd personally never believe something is a done deal when the kid's still gonna take officials.
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When word came out that we were recruiting the 2016 PG from CT who is 150 lbs with a wet t-shirt on, u knew things were probably going sideways. Let's see tho
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Matt didn't unfollow yet did he?
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If this is like the Sampson recruitment then no news is bad news. Looks like Happy and Zach were both wrong. In this case it appears as if it's his parents that don't want him around, especially his Mom. This has ground to a halt after yesterday's "not just an announcement" press conference was imminent. Not even one posting today about Shamorie.
Truly insightful post. You shouldn't be shy about posting more of these well thought out and researched opinions.
Dave, in the short time I have been posting here I have respected you as a moderator. When I posted the above quote, I thought that it was obvious that Ponds parents, or at least his mother, did not want him to stay in NYC. If anyone didn't, at the time, agree with me, then that is fine. That's what message boards are for. But when I saw the obnoxious and vitriolic posts, especially from Pete88, I have to admit, I was taken aback. It seemed obvious to me, based on his parents insisting he take other visits even though he himself wanted to go to SJU.
Then when Zachs article came out, confirming my theory, I grew angry about it. Nobody is hoping, more than me, that we land him. I felt I should respond to these obnoxious posts. If Pete88 doesn't have the dignity to admit when he is wrong, and apologize for his ad hominum attacks on me, that's one thing. But given the fact that the point I initially raised is now the central sticking point of the Ponds recruitment, and this very thread, I resent your assymetric response to the situation. Read his post above. That's obnoxious. Especially in light of the fact that he was dead wrong. Yet I was the one that you told to cool it. I realize that he is not man enough to apologize, but I'm still a bit disillusioned with you. What's going on man?
Dude, just stop. I looked through your post history and it was aggressive towards 3 different posters all in a row. Just chill and stay on topic. Non-issue moving on...
Just one more thing and then I am done (unless the attacks continue) Please notice above that Pete88 initiated the obnoxious language, not me. I know he has been here a lot longer than me but that is irrelevant to the situation. Also, those "three posts in a row" that you mentioned, were in response to three separate JJ members, who first attacked me ad hominum, for my perfectly reasonable post that turned out to be correct. They were shooting the messenger, and I was a little shocked by that. Should I have not responded? Nobody will be more disappointed then me if Ponds doesn't commit here. And no, I am not seeking credit for being the first one to accurately call the situation, but a few of these guys were shooting the messenger in very disrespectful tones.
P.S. If anyone feels the need to respond, I would hope that they respond to the actual text of the statements and not make some general criticism about the fact that I made one more post. For example don't say something like "Your still on this" or "get over it dude".
Unbelievable....7 day BAN! I don't have time to deal with nonsense and have one person ruin everything for all. This thread is about Shamorie Ponds not you.
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Zagoria said on his podcast that he heard today that this could spill into a spring decision. Called the whole situation a "mess" and said the longer it plays out could be bad for St Johns. I honestly don't want to be the "I told you so" guy but at the beginning of the whole "shamorie is a lock" talk I said that nobody with official visits left should ever be considered a lock. Whether he ends up here or not, obviously it has not turned out to be the open and shut case many thought and made it out to be. I have been following basketball and football recruiting for a while and most teams and fan bases don't even count on a kid, who is verbally committed, on being there ultimately if they're still taking visits. Obviously some guys heard something and im not doubting any sources but I'd personally never believe something is a done deal when the kid's still gonna take officials.
There are times when I hear things, and not say anything. There are times when I hear things, and sparse my words (similarly to intel I was receiving during Rysheed Jordan's recruitment). I'm careful to say things are a "done deal," as stuff can change.
Of course, I'm not at all doubting Happy's or Pault'z source (as, I'm assuming they could be the same person) nor do I doubt SJU79's sources (I guess he's moved on since he's missed on a few.... Come back, dude. It's all good). They're just relaying what they're hearing (and, it's appreciated, as well). But, I'm still careful even if I hear those particular words.
Truthfully, I'm not sweating it one way or another. I don't get too wound up in this stuff anymore. As, I've said before, move on to the next best possible target if it doesn't work out.
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I don't profess to be an insider but I do hear some things, have some connections directly to the program and my question becomes...... If you hear something, why not just say what you hear? Honest question. You don't have to give up sources but at the best the coaching staff was hearing from ponds "I want to go to sju but I'm going to take my visits".......because that's exactly what happened. So why say it's the stone cold lock of the century and no chance he goes anywhere but sju? Then turn around and be like " recruiting is crazy, things change". This goes for every ones favorite beat writer as well. Like I said I saw ppl saying it was done and from my experience I just laughed cuz when a 17-18 year old kid has officials left there is no chance it's over. I love our insiders and believe they are directly connected to the staff but why not just say what you hear. We've seen people who knew lavin directly get burned on briscoe (which I knew Lav and heard the same) when all they had to say was "staff is confident we get briscoe". Too many times kids change their minds on a dime to say anything definitively .
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I don't profess to be an insider but I do hear some things, have some connections directly to the program and my question becomes...... If you hear something, why not just say what you hear? Honest question. You don't have to give up sources but at the best the coaching staff was hearing from ponds "I want to go to sju but I'm going to take my visits".......because that's exactly what happened. So why say it's the stone cold lock of the century and no chance he goes anywhere but sju? Then turn around and be like " recruiting is crazy, things change". This goes for every ones favorite beat writer as well. Like I said I saw ppl saying it was done and from my experience I just laughed cuz when a 17-18 year old kid has officials left there is no chance it's over. I love our insiders and believe they are directly connected to the staff but why not just say what you hear. We've seen people who knew lavin directly get burned on briscoe (which I knew Lav and heard the same) when all they had to say was "staff is confident we get briscoe". Too many times kids change their minds on a dime to say anything definitively .
Amen. No matter what insiders or beat reporters hear and post about recruits, nothing is ever greater than 90% until the kid signs his LOI
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I would like to clarify. Guys like paultzman, happy and sju79 are integral members of our fan base and incredibly valuable sources of info. I completely appreciate their input. The problem for me becomes when people see that things are etched in stone with 17 to 18 year old kids and end up getting burned and we look foolish to other fan bases in the college b ball community. Kids are too unpredictable to say things are 100 % a done deal when they still have visits left. That's my only point. For all I know our insiders are directly hooked up to our staff but not even our staff can be sure about what a child is gonna do in this crazy world lol. Hope my comments weren't taken out of context in direct contradiction to our best posters just trying to understand the way of thinking.
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I think he goes to PC just a gut feeling.
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it'll be great to land him obviously, but we are off to a great start with Yakwe for '16 and Lovette and Mussini will be sophomores. If his mother is so bent on him getting out of town maybe its the best thing for both parties. Belive it or not his mom may know him better then some of our posters lol and she could be saving us future headaches possibly.
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I would like to clarify. Guys like paultzman, happy and sju79 are integral members of our fan base and incredibly valuable sources of info. I completely appreciate their input. The problem for me becomes when people see that things are etched in stone with 17 to 18 year old kids and end up getting burned and we look foolish to other fan bases in the college b ball community. Kids are too unpredictable to say things are 100 % a done deal when they still have visits left. That's my only point. For all I know our insiders are directly hooked up to our staff but not even our staff can be sure about what a child is gonna do in this crazy world lol. Hope my comments weren't taken out of context in direct contradiction to our best posters just trying to understand the way of thinking.
I just share what I hear from reliable people close to the program, knowing, as you said, recruiting is dynamic & can change on a dime. like Dinkins, I don't lose sleep if we lose out on kids, even when perceived to be leading. Staff is often surprised, but just moves on to plan B. That works for me as well.
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The roster has a point guard. A top 100 kid. If he's eligible, we can all step off the ledge. This idea that a recruit is a must get is never the case. Kids have always left NYC. Maybe because they need a change of scenery, and others leave because they're being paid. Some just don't want to deal with the pressure and responsibility of bringing STJ back.
I'm not going to be happy of Shamorie opts for New England over his hometown school but consider this: St.John's is more of an unknown now than they have ever been. That's a lot for some people to accept. Many recruits just want a sure thing. Once Chris Mullin shows that he can coach, once he shows that young players improve in his system, I really believe that the floodgates will open.
Everyone keeps talking about how Ponds is a very important recruit. Recruits are very important. I hope, and believe that our staff is smart enough not to bank on any one player coming here to save us. It's about the program, the coach and his system. Let's see how Marcus LoVett, Malik Ellison and the Italian kid handle the backcourt this year. For all we know, the backcourt is set, and we simply don't have any playing time available for Shamorie Ponds.
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I believe Shaun is precisely right and no need to clarify..I should be using my words more carefully. I have previously used terms such as 100%, lock and those were exactly the terms I heard either form the staff, family or AAU guys but it should be, as Shaun and Paul and others have so eloquently mentioned these are kids who change their mind on a whim and until its done nothing is really done, as I have learned from quite a few kids in the past years. As far as this young man is concerned he would like to attend SJU, his HS coach would like him to attend SJU and due to prior reports neither his parents have anything against SJU. Let me also say that while Coach Cooley is not a personal fav of mine if he did indeed use the race card(which I have no factual evidence of) I assure you he's not the first,nor the last nor honestly do I find it that deplorable. Is it bad if SJU or ND uses its religious believes to help land a kind form a religious background? I have known 2 member of this staff for a LONG LONG time and they will represent this university well. As for the delay with the Ponds announcement I have heard rumors but they are just that and i can tell you for certain that the staff feels comfortable with where they stand and how they have presented themselves.
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The number one reason I read this board is for the information that Paultzman, Happy and SJU79 pass along to us. I also thank Dave for giving us this board. Fordham also has info from time to time that I appreciate. The rest of the board is entertainment. If I need an intelligent laugh there's FOAD. The whack jobs I've learned to skip over. But once again thanks to the big three, whether your info turns out to be right or wrong it's appreciated.
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Agree 100%..even if one of them hates me
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Seton Hall. His father will be named assistant coach
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The number one reason I read this board is for the information that Paultzman, Happy and SJU79 pass along to us. I also thank Dave for giving us this board. Fordham also has info from time to time that I appreciate. The rest of the board is entertainment. If I need an intelligent laugh there's FOAD. The whack jobs I've learned to skip over. But once again thanks to the big three, whether your info turns out to be right or wrong it's appreciated.
Thanks man!
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Seton Hall. His father will be named assistant coach
Post of the day!
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Here are my 2 cents ( I have ZERO connections and only go by what i read on twitter and here).
my gut tells me that Shamorie's parents are a bit weary of an unproven head coach. i think this will drag into the spring with the thought of seeing how Mullin, staff and team do.
again, i have ZERO connections or insider knowledge. just my sense.
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The number one reason I read this board is for the information that Paultzman, Happy and SJU79 pass along to us. I also thank Dave for giving us this board. Fordham also has info from time to time that I appreciate. The rest of the board is entertainment. If I need an intelligent laugh there's FOAD. The whack jobs I've learned to skip over. But once again thanks to the big three, whether your info turns out to be right or wrong it's appreciated.
lets face it, we are all fans but to spend as much time as we do on the site makes us all a bit wacky. Agree on the good info guys. Hell, I went to Fordham but have been rooting for SJU prior to when I enrolled there in 1966. First College game I ever saw and fond memories of pickup and whacking better players in the gym.
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This has to end soon I'm losing my mind.
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https://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1171&script=%2Fcontent%2Easp&cid=1806958
SJU Head Coach Chris Mullin and assistant coaches Barry Rohrssen, and Matt Abdelmassih are three smart, hard-working men who know quite a bit about basketball. However, they are selling an idea. They are selling a dream. They are selling recruits that, with their help, they can wake up a sleeping giant that has been hibernating since they were born. They are telling them that just because big things haven't happened recently doesn't mean they can't.
Shamorie Ponds could be the first high-profile recruit to buy into those three men's dream, one that we all share, instead of real, proven products such as Providence. It's now their job to work together so that future recruits won't have to listen to tales about the glory days of New York basketball, which didn't even occur in this century. Those recruits won't have to trust and hope that Chris Mullin's playing skill can translate into coaching skill. Instead they can see that collective work result in success, and true program-changers such as Trevon Duval, Nazreon Reid, and Rowan Barrett Jr. will see a standing-room-only Madison Square Garden with their own two eyes.
If (when?) that begins to happen, St. John's basketball will be back and better than ever. But until that day, it is just me, you, Coach Mullin, and Ponds, dreaming about greatness. Hoping for greatness. And most importantly, believing that greatness at St. John's in the 21st century won't be an idea. It will become a reality.
Article is also extremely complimentary of providence.
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https://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1171&script=%2Fcontent%2Easp&cid=1806958
SJU Head Coach Chris Mullin and assistant coaches Barry Rohrssen, and Matt Abdelmassih are three smart, hard-working men who know quite a bit about basketball. However, they are selling an idea. They are selling a dream. They are selling recruits that, with their help, they can wake up a sleeping giant that has been hibernating since they were born. They are telling them that just because big things haven't happened recently doesn't mean they can't.
Shamorie Ponds could be the first high-profile recruit to buy into those three men's dream, one that we all share, instead of real, proven products such as Providence. It's now their job to work together so that future recruits won't have to listen to tales about the glory days of New York basketball, which didn't even occur in this century. Those recruits won't have to trust and hope that Chris Mullin's playing skill can translate into coaching skill. Instead they can see that collective work result in success, and true program-changers such as Trevon Duval, Nazreon Reid, and Rowan Barrett Jr. will see a standing-room-only Madison Square Garden with their own two eyes.
If (when?) that begins to happen, St. John's basketball will be back and better than ever. But until that day, it is just me, you, Coach Mullin, and Ponds, dreaming about greatness. Hoping for greatness. And most importantly, believing that greatness at St. John's in the 21st century won't be an idea. It will become a reality.
Article is also extremely complimentary of providence.
That article is written like an 8th grade English essay. Yuck
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https://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1171&script=%2Fcontent%2Easp&cid=1806958
SJU Head Coach Chris Mullin and assistant coaches Barry Rohrssen, and Matt Abdelmassih are three smart, hard-working men who know quite a bit about basketball. However, they are selling an idea. They are selling a dream. They are selling recruits that, with their help, they can wake up a sleeping giant that has been hibernating since they were born. They are telling them that just because big things haven't happened recently doesn't mean they can't.
Shamorie Ponds could be the first high-profile recruit to buy into those three men's dream, one that we all share, instead of real, proven products such as Providence. It's now their job to work together so that future recruits won't have to listen to tales about the glory days of New York basketball, which didn't even occur in this century. Those recruits won't have to trust and hope that Chris Mullin's playing skill can translate into coaching skill. Instead they can see that collective work result in success, and true program-changers such as Trevon Duval, Nazreon Reid, and Rowan Barrett Jr. will see a standing-room-only Madison Square Garden with their own two eyes.
If (when?) that begins to happen, St. John's basketball will be back and better than ever. But until that day, it is just me, you, Coach Mullin, and Ponds, dreaming about greatness. Hoping for greatness. And most importantly, believing that greatness at St. John's in the 21st century won't be an idea. It will become a reality.
Article is also extremely complimentary of providence.
If Providence is proven, then so are we. We both lost in Round 1 of the NCAA tournament. Sorry, but winning a BE tournament without Uconn, Louisville, Pitt, WV and Syracuse doesn't mean anything close to what it used to mean. It's the same as winning the A10 tourney.
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If this is like the Sampson recruitment then no news is bad news. Looks like Happy and Zach were both wrong. In this case it appears as if it's his parents that don't want him around, especially his Mom. This has ground to a halt after yesterday's "not just an announcement" press conference was imminent. Not even one posting today about Shamorie.
Truly insightful post. You shouldn't be shy about posting more of these well thought out and researched opinions.
Dave, in the short time I have been posting here I have respected you as a moderator. When I posted the above quote, I thought that it was obvious that Ponds parents, or at least his mother, did not want him to stay in NYC. If anyone didn't, at the time, agree with me, then that is fine. That's what message boards are for. But when I saw the obnoxious and vitriolic posts, especially from Pete88, I have to admit, I was taken aback. It seemed obvious to me, based on his parents insisting he take other visits even though he himself wanted to go to SJU.
Then when Zachs article came out, confirming my theory, I grew angry about it. Nobody is hoping, more than me, that we land him. I felt I should respond to these obnoxious posts. If Pete88 doesn't have the dignity to admit when he is wrong, and apologize for his ad hominum attacks on me, that's one thing. But given the fact that the point I initially raised is now the central sticking point of the Ponds recruitment, and this very thread, I resent your assymetric response to the situation. Read his post above. That's obnoxious. Especially in light of the fact that he was dead wrong. Yet I was the one that you told to cool it. I realize that he is not man enough to apologize, but I'm still a bit disillusioned with you. What's going on man?
Dude, just stop. I looked through your post history and it was aggressive towards 3 different posters all in a row. Just chill and stay on topic. Non-issue moving on...
Just one more thing and then I am done (unless the attacks continue) Please notice above that Pete88 initiated the obnoxious language, not me. I know he has been here a lot longer than me but that is irrelevant to the situation. Also, those "three posts in a row" that you mentioned, were in response to three separate JJ members, who first attacked me ad hominum, for my perfectly reasonable post that turned out to be correct. They were shooting the messenger, and I was a little shocked by that. Should I have not responded? Nobody will be more disappointed then me if Ponds doesn't commit here. And no, I am not seeking credit for being the first one to accurately call the situation, but a few of these guys were shooting the messenger in very disrespectful tones.
P.S. If anyone feels the need to respond, I would hope that they respond to the actual text of the statements and not make some general criticism about the fact that I made one more post. For example don't say something like "Your still on this" or "get over it dude".
Unbelievable....7 day BAN! I don't have time to deal with nonsense and have one person ruin everything for all. This thread is about Shamorie Ponds not you.
Calender days or business days?
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How about this:
Mike Hopkins #pcbb
@pcbb1917
BREAKING: 2016 PG Maliek White is visiting Providence this weekend, per source. Will not visit Cinci and moved PC visit up #pcbb #gofriars
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How about this:
Mike Hopkins #pcbb
@pcbb1917
BREAKING: 2016 PG Maliek White is visiting Providence this weekend, per source. Will not visit Cinci and moved PC visit up #pcbb #gofriars
Matt A saying it could be a good day, then hashtags mets and sjubb. Obviously mets could clinch today, but....ok I am reaching here...
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How about this:
Mike Hopkins #pcbb
@pcbb1917
BREAKING: 2016 PG Maliek White is visiting Providence this weekend, per source. Will not visit Cinci and moved PC visit up #pcbb #gofriars
Matt A saying it could be a good day, then hashtags mets and sjubb. Obviously mets could clinch today, but....ok I am reaching here...
@pcbb1917: @TDJohnnyMac list came out while on the visit. I guess there's always a chance any recruit verbals on a visit. PC won't wait for Ponds, IMO
Mike Hopkins
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How about this:
Mike Hopkins #pcbb
@pcbb1917
BREAKING: 2016 PG Maliek White is visiting Providence this weekend, per source. Will not visit Cinci and moved PC visit up #pcbb #gofriars
Matt A saying it could be a good day, then hashtags mets and sjubb. Obviously mets could clinch today, but....ok I am reaching here...
The mens and womens basketball teams are hosting the dribble for a cure cancer fundraising event today. I would assume that is what he is referring too.
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Positive vibes :)
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Wow! Fantastic! That's great news.
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Wow! Fantastic! That's great news.
Some on this board seem to be suffering from PE! :)
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Wow! Fantastic! That's great news.
Some on this board seem to be suffering from PE! :)
Haha. Yeah sorry I was echoing the positive vibes comment. My bad
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Wow! Fantastic! That's great news.
Some on this board seem to be suffering from PE! :)
Took me a while to figure out what PE is. It's never happened to me. Couldn't relate.
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Wow! Fantastic! That's great news.
Some on this board seem to be suffering from PE! :)
Took me a while to figure out what PE is. It's never happened to me. Couldn't relate.
What I witness when drivers in front of me quickly reduce their speed to 10 MPH below speed limit before passing DC speed cameras - Premature Ebrakeulation
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Maliek white just popped for providence , according to zags and tweeted by zach....looking good.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Big news that could effect Shamorie Ponds #sjubb t.co/TmIIJodObl
@GTuckerHoops: 2016 PG Maliek White (@VaFinest_5) has announced his commitment to Providence
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I tell you paultz , i owe you a pumpkin beer at one of these pre game outings
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I tell you paultz , i owe you a pumpkin beer at one of these pre game outings
Thx, sounds good.
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I tell you paultz , i owe you a pumpkin beer at one of these pre game outings
Do you hate Paultzman that much??? 😉
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@jerrymeyer247: Profile for Shamorie Ponds, who I'm expecting to announce for St. John's sooner than later. http://t.co/He16ElBvWd https://t.co/tsEDxdJXXi
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria
Shamorie Ponds will hold a press conference tomorrow at 2:30 per his coach Bud Pollard.
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Big week. Ahmed with a great visit. Ponds tomorrow.
Matty going to see the German kid. And Lightfoot makes his official visit this weekend.
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FREE WILLIE
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Big week. Ahmed with a great visit. Ponds tomorrow.
Matty going to see the German kid. And Lightfoot makes his official visit this weekend.
Or like some posters here would think, Ponds pops for Creighton, Bash to Louisville, German kid turns pro in Europe and Lightfoot says thanks but going to Kansas. lol
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FREE WILLIE
Free Willie?
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Big week. Ahmed with a great visit. Ponds tomorrow.
Matty going to see the German kid. And Lightfoot makes his official visit this weekend.
Or like some posters here would think, Ponds pops for Creighton, Bash to Louisville, German kid turns pro in Europe and Lightfoot says thanks but going to Kansas. lol
It's not that some posters would think that. They've lived it.
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Big week. Ahmed with a great visit. Ponds tomorrow.
Matty going to see the German kid. And Lightfoot makes his official visit this weekend.
Or like some posters here would think, Ponds pops for Creighton, Bash to Louisville, German kid turns pro in Europe and Lightfoot says thanks but going to Kansas. lol
It's not that some posters would think that. They've lived it.
Or think of it from the vantage point of us 20 something fans, other than Lav, it's all we've ever known in recruiting haha. Back on topic. You lock up ponds, bash, freudenberg and lightfoot, get everybody eligible and we're talking about a very talented and deep team in a year or two. A guy can dream.
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Big week. Ahmed with a great visit. Ponds tomorrow.
Matty going to see the German kid. And Lightfoot makes his official visit this weekend.
Or like some posters here would think, Ponds pops for Creighton, Bash to Louisville, German kid turns pro in Europe and Lightfoot says thanks but going to Kansas. lol
It's not that some posters would think that. They've lived it.
Or think of it from the vantage point of us 20 something fans, other than Lav, it's all we've ever known in recruiting haha. Back on topic. You lock up ponds, bash, freudenberg and lightfoot, get everybody eligible and we're talking about a very talented and deep team in a year or two. A guy can dream.
All things considered, Lav wasn't the worst recruiter out there. I think he intentionally avoided local talent, and I'm not even sure that was a bad strategy for him. It has always been the belief of our fan base, that we needed a local to recruit locals, and Lav was the farthest thing from that.
Ponds represents a change in mindset, and that mindset is St.John's gets their share. There is no coach at any level who would keep every recruit home. That is/was never a realistic plan, but in order to play St.John's basketball, we have to get our share.
Ponds is who Chris Mullin is here to land. This is the kind of local 4 player we haven't had in IDK how long.
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Big week. Ahmed with a great visit. Ponds tomorrow.
Matty going to see the German kid. And Lightfoot makes his official visit this weekend.
Or like some posters here would think, Ponds pops for Creighton, Bash to Louisville, German kid turns pro in Europe and Lightfoot says thanks but going to Kansas. lol
It's not that some posters would think that. They've lived it.
Or think of it from the vantage point of us 20 something fans, other than Lav, it's all we've ever known in recruiting haha. Back on topic. You lock up ponds, bash, freudenberg and lightfoot, get everybody eligible and we're talking about a very talented and deep team in a year or two. A guy can dream.
All things considered, Lav wasn't the worst recruiter out there. I think he intentionally avoided local talent, and I'm not even sure that was a bad strategy for him. It has always been the belief of our fan base, that we needed a local to recruit locals, and Lav was the farthest thing from that.
Ponds represents a change in mindset, and that mindset is St.John's gets their share. There is no coach at any level who would keep every recruit home. That is/was never a realistic plan, but in order to play St.John's basketball, we have to get our share.
Ponds is who Chris Mullin is here to land. This is the kind of local 4 player we haven't had in IDK how long.
Local 4 star player:
Moe Harkless 2011.
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Big week. Ahmed with a great visit. Ponds tomorrow.
Matty going to see the German kid. And Lightfoot makes his official visit this weekend.
Or like some posters here would think, Ponds pops for Creighton, Bash to Louisville, German kid turns pro in Europe and Lightfoot says thanks but going to Kansas. lol
It's not that some posters would think that. They've lived it.
Or think of it from the vantage point of us 20 something fans, other than Lav, it's all we've ever known in recruiting haha. Back on topic. You lock up ponds, bash, freudenberg and lightfoot, get everybody eligible and we're talking about a very talented and deep team in a year or two. A guy can dream.
All things considered, Lav wasn't the worst recruiter out there. I think he intentionally avoided local talent, and I'm not even sure that was a bad strategy for him. It has always been the belief of our fan base, that we needed a local to recruit locals, and Lav was the farthest thing from that.
Ponds represents a change in mindset, and that mindset is St.John's gets their share. There is no coach at any level who would keep every recruit home. That is/was never a realistic plan, but in order to play St.John's basketball, we have to get our share.
Ponds is who Chris Mullin is here to land. This is the kind of local 4 player we haven't had in IDK how long.
Local 4 star player:
Moe Harkless 2011.
That was big when it happened. Funny how we thought that meant the end of Uconn.
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Big week. Ahmed with a great visit. Ponds tomorrow.
Matty going to see the German kid. And Lightfoot makes his official visit this weekend.
Or like some posters here would think, Ponds pops for Creighton, Bash to Louisville, German kid turns pro in Europe and Lightfoot says thanks but going to Kansas. lol
It's not that some posters would think that. They've lived it.
Or think of it from the vantage point of us 20 something fans, other than Lav, it's all we've ever known in recruiting haha. Back on topic. You lock up ponds, bash, freudenberg and lightfoot, get everybody eligible and we're talking about a very talented and deep team in a year or two. A guy can dream.
All things considered, Lav wasn't the worst recruiter out there. I think he intentionally avoided local talent, and I'm not even sure that was a bad strategy for him. It has always been the belief of our fan base, that we needed a local to recruit locals, and Lav was the farthest thing from that.
Ponds represents a change in mindset, and that mindset is St.John's gets their share. There is no coach at any level who would keep every recruit home. That is/was never a realistic plan, but in order to play St.John's basketball, we have to get our share.
Ponds is who Chris Mullin is here to land. This is the kind of local 4 player we haven't had in IDK how long.
Local 4 star player:
Moe Harkless 2011.
Lavin & staff recruited KA & Briscoe has hard as humanly possible... they went after the players they wanted to go after...
Also - the local NYC "talent" has been a little lacking in depth the previous few senior classes too...
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Big week. Ahmed with a great visit. Ponds tomorrow.
Matty going to see the German kid. And Lightfoot makes his official visit this weekend.
Or like some posters here would think, Ponds pops for Creighton, Bash to Louisville, German kid turns pro in Europe and Lightfoot says thanks but going to Kansas. lol
It's not that some posters would think that. They've lived it.
Which is why I won't get all happy until he actually pops for SJU, forget these prediction.
I won't set myself up for disappointment anymore.
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Big week. Ahmed with a great visit. Ponds tomorrow.
Matty going to see the German kid. And Lightfoot makes his official visit this weekend.
Or like some posters here would think, Ponds pops for Creighton, Bash to Louisville, German kid turns pro in Europe and Lightfoot says thanks but going to Kansas. lol
It's not that some posters would think that. They've lived it.
Or think of it from the vantage point of us 20 something fans, other than Lav, it's all we've ever known in recruiting haha. Back on topic. You lock up ponds, bash, freudenberg and lightfoot, get everybody eligible and we're talking about a very talented and deep team in a year or two. A guy can dream.
All things considered, Lav wasn't the worst recruiter out there. I think he intentionally avoided local talent, and I'm not even sure that was a bad strategy for him. It has always been the belief of our fan base, that we needed a local to recruit locals, and Lav was the farthest thing from that.
Ponds represents a change in mindset, and that mindset is St.John's gets their share. There is no coach at any level who would keep every recruit home. That is/was never a realistic plan, but in order to play St.John's basketball, we have to get our share.
Ponds is who Chris Mullin is here to land. This is the kind of local 4 player we haven't had in IDK how long.
Local 4 star player:
Moe Harkless 2011.
Lavin & staff recruited KA & Briscoe has hard as humanly possible... they went after the players they wanted to go after...
Also - the local NYC "talent" has been a little lacking in depth the previous few senior classes too...
The previous staff evaluated and offered Ponds almost a year ago.
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Big week. Ahmed with a great visit. Ponds tomorrow.
Matty going to see the German kid. And Lightfoot makes his official visit this weekend.
Or like some posters here would think, Ponds pops for Creighton, Bash to Louisville, German kid turns pro in Europe and Lightfoot says thanks but going to Kansas. lol
It's not that some posters would think that. They've lived it.
Or think of it from the vantage point of us 20 something fans, other than Lav, it's all we've ever known in recruiting haha. Back on topic. You lock up ponds, bash, freudenberg and lightfoot, get everybody eligible and we're talking about a very talented and deep team in a year or two. A guy can dream.
All things considered, Lav wasn't the worst recruiter out there. I think he intentionally avoided local talent, and I'm not even sure that was a bad strategy for him. It has always been the belief of our fan base, that we needed a local to recruit locals, and Lav was the farthest thing from that.
Ponds represents a change in mindset, and that mindset is St.John's gets their share. There is no coach at any level who would keep every recruit home. That is/was never a realistic plan, but in order to play St.John's basketball, we have to get our share.
Ponds is who Chris Mullin is here to land. This is the kind of local 4 player we haven't had in IDK how long.
Local 4 star player:
Moe Harkless 2011.
Lavin & staff recruited KA & Briscoe has hard as humanly possible... they went after the players they wanted to go after...
Also - the local NYC "talent" has been a little lacking in depth the previous few senior classes too...
The previous staff evaluated and offered Ponds almost a year ago.
True Dink. As you know, Tony Chiles saw him a number of times. Sid Wilson too.
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Briscoe and Anderson were from new jersey which is close but not local in my mind. I want Ponds. He is the best player from our city.
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Briscoe and Anderson were from new jersey which is close but not local in my mind. I want Ponds. He is the best player from our city.
Just asking, but is Ponds ranked as the best player in the city? Or would that still be Awkins even though he left?
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Briscoe and Anderson were from new jersey which is close but not local in my mind. I want Ponds. He is the best player from our city.
NYC has been really depleted of talent for a number of years now. I'll even extend it to all of NY...
2015- Cheick Diallo (recruited), Thomas Bryant (he's crazy), Jessie Govan (wasn't interested), Tyler Lydon (no shot he was pure Cuse)
2014- Isaiah Whitehead (recruited), Chris McCullough (He preferred Cuse), Terry Larrier (you all know I liked him a lot), Angel Delgado (SHU did great job recruiting him), Khadeem Carrington (SHU was a better fit)
2103- Dakari Johnson (no shot), Jermaine Lawrence (was too crazy), Kentan Facey (project thin year for bigs)
2012- DaJuan Coleman (no shot), Omar Calhoun (him and DLO would have been too much personality), Chris Obekpa (got him), Mike Tobey (not a good fit), Melvin Johnson (would have recruited the hell out of him but had no space)
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Briscoe and Anderson were from new jersey which is close but not local in my mind. I want Ponds. He is the best player from our city.
Just asking, but is Ponds ranked as the best player in the city? Or would that still be Awkins even though he left?
Alkins is higher but different positions. Ponds will be electric with Lovett and Mussini. I don't want to get too lofty in my comparisons but their style of play would be reminiscent of Kyle Lowry, Randy Foye, and Mike Nardi. 3 quick guards who can all score and create off the dribble.
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Lovett and Ponds both lefties too.
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Briscoe and Anderson were from new jersey which is close but not local in my mind. I want Ponds. He is the best player from our city.
Just asking, but is Ponds ranked as the best player in the city? Or would that still be Awkins even though he left?
Alkins is higher but different positions. Ponds will be electric with Lovett and Mussini. I don't want to get too lofty in my comparisons but their style of play would be reminiscent of Kyle Lowry, Randy Foye, and Mike Nardi. 3 quick guards who can all score and create off the dribble.
I'll sign up for that, especially the results they had at nova.
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Dave,
Or anyone with knowledge of the situation. Was McCullough ours at any point? I remember a post back in the day that McCullough really looked up to D-Buckets. Hardy was telling him SJU is great, keep the legacy going, etc. There was a perception that the previous staff was lackadaisical once they thought they had him.
Any truth to that? Thank you.
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Briscoe and Anderson were from new jersey which is close but not local in my mind. I want Ponds. He is the best player from our city.
Just asking, but is Ponds ranked as the best player in the city? Or would that still be Awkins even though he left?
Alkins is higher but different positions. Ponds will be electric with Lovett and Mussini. I don't want to get too lofty in my comparisons but their style of play would be reminiscent of Kyle Lowry, Randy Foye, and Mike Nardi. 3 quick guards who can all score and create off the dribble.
Thank you for the analysis. The video I saw of Ponds from May 2015, made me think of Erick Barkley - my favorite all time St.John's point guard. So, should he choose to stay home, I'm hopeful he'll do well here.
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Dave,
Or anyone with knowledge of the situation. Was McCullough ours at any point? I remember a post back in the day that McCullough really looked up to D-Buckets. Hardy was telling him SJU is great, keep the legacy going, etc. There was a perception that the previous staff was lackadaisical once they thought they had him.
Any truth to that? Thank you.
I recall McCullough stating St. John's and Syracuse was (paraphrase) "coming at him the hardest." You win some and lose some in the recruiting game.
Regardless, that's all water under the bridge at this point. Let's look forward to Ponds' imminent commitment.
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Dave,
Or anyone with knowledge of the situation. Was McCullough ours at any point? I remember a post back in the day that McCullough really looked up to D-Buckets. Hardy was telling him SJU is great, keep the legacy going, etc. There was a perception that the previous staff was lackadaisical once they thought they had him.
Any truth to that? Thank you.
I recall McCullough stating St. John's and Syracuse was (paraphrase) "coming at him the hardest." You win some and lose some in the recruiting game.
Regardless, that's all water under the bridge at this point. Let's look forward to Ponds' imminent commitment.
Imminent? That's pretty bold.
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Dave,
Or anyone with knowledge of the situation. Was McCullough ours at any point? I remember a post back in the day that McCullough really looked up to D-Buckets. Hardy was telling him SJU is great, keep the legacy going, etc. There was a perception that the previous staff was lackadaisical once they thought they had him.
Any truth to that? Thank you.
I recall McCullough stating St. John's and Syracuse was (paraphrase) "coming at him the hardest." You win some and lose some in the recruiting game.
Regardless, that's all water under the bridge at this point. Let's look forward to Ponds' imminent commitment.
I remember a post from KOB or someone else that after lacin had one of those summer camps Chris wanted to commit on the spot but staff slowed him down on that and wanted to take their time and this was before he blew up. I'm pretty sure I read that
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Poison, there is reason to be bold. Tomorrow is going to be a celebration. Mullin and his crew are coming through and backing up his 'keeping talent home' comments from this Spring. Yakwe and Shamorie are just the beginning of the movement, get excited.
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Is this done? Haven't really seen anyone in the know confirm it for sure. But until he actually announces it I won't get my hopes up.
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Poison, there is reason to be bold. Tomorrow is going to be a celebration. Mullin and his crew are coming through and backing up his 'keeping talent home' comments from this Spring. Yakwe and Shamorie are just the beginning of the movement, get excited.
I'll get excited at 2:31 thank you very much.
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Is this done? Haven't really seen anyone in the know confirm it for sure. But until he actually announces it I won't get my hopes up.
I think you'll find out tomorrow
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Dave,
Or anyone with knowledge of the situation. Was McCullough ours at any point? I remember a post back in the day that McCullough really looked up to D-Buckets. Hardy was telling him SJU is great, keep the legacy going, etc. There was a perception that the previous staff was lackadaisical once they thought they had him.
Any truth to that? Thank you.
I have McCullough on video telling me St. John's was his dream school. He wanted to commit when he was a freshman but staff didn't want him to commit only to decommit later. ex. Mustapha Heron to Pitt
He blew up and bigger schools started calling and he was long gone.
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Thank you to all with their McCullough feedback.
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Also heard McCullough didn't have a great dynamic with some of the players who were here at the time and some of his unofficial visits to campus didnt go so well. But anyway back to Ponds.
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Briscoe and Anderson were from new jersey which is close but not local in my mind. I want Ponds. He is the best player from our city.
Just asking, but is Ponds ranked as the best player in the city? Or would that still be Awkins even though he left?
Alkins is higher but different positions. Ponds will be electric with Lovett and Mussini. I don't want to get too lofty in my comparisons but their style of play would be reminiscent of Kyle Lowry, Randy Foye, and Mike Nardi. 3 quick guards who can all score and create off the dribble.
Thank you for the analysis. The video I saw of Ponds from May 2015, made me think of Erick Barkley - my favorite all time St.John's point guard. So, should he choose to stay home, I'm hopeful he'll do well here.
Reminds me of Elijah Ingram.
Before everyone gets mad, Ingram was a McDonald's All American and probably more highly rated coming out of HS than Ponds
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Ingram would have been good on any other team .
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Briscoe and Anderson were from new jersey which is close but not local in my mind. I want Ponds. He is the best player from our city.
Just asking, but is Ponds ranked as the best player in the city? Or would that still be Awkins even though he left?
Alkins is higher but different positions. Ponds will be electric with Lovett and Mussini. I don't want to get too lofty in my comparisons but their style of play would be reminiscent of Kyle Lowry, Randy Foye, and Mike Nardi. 3 quick guards who can all score and create off the dribble.
Thank you for the analysis. The video I saw of Ponds from May 2015, made me think of Erick Barkley - my favorite all time St.John's point guard. So, should he choose to stay home, I'm hopeful he'll do well here.
Reminds me of Elijah Ingram.
Before everyone gets mad, Ingram was a McDonald's All American and probably more highly rated coming out of HS than Ponds
Dear God. I hope not. Ingram (If I recall, he was ranked between 20-25 nationally) came from a powerhouse program like Tarik Turner, and that probably had a lot to do with the hype surrounding his recruitment. Ingram might be the worst McDonald's All American in the history of the BE conference.
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Does anyone know if it will be possible to watch the press conference online? If so, where? Thanks in advance.
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I'm not sure how he reminds anybody of Ingram. Ingram was 5'9" at best and had a push shot from his chest. Shamorie a lot taller, has high release, is a lot more fluid taking the ball to the hoop. Shamorie's game has zero similarities to Elijah Ingram except that they both play basketball.
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I'm not sure how he reminds anybody of Ingram. Ingram was 5'9" at best and had a push shot from his chest. Shamorie a lot taller, has high release, is a lot more fluid taking the ball to the hoop. Shamorie's game has zero similarities to Elijah Ingram except that they both play basketball.
Build and the Jumper (higher yes, but still would be considered a push shot). Was not meant as an insult as again Ingram was higher ranked no matter how it turned. Obviously I hope and expect Ponds to be better and he will have a better coach.
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Briscoe and Anderson were from new jersey which is close but not local in my mind. I want Ponds. He is the best player from our city.
NYC has been really depleted of talent for a number of years now. I'll even extend it to all of NY...
2015- Cheick Diallo (recruited), Thomas Bryant (he's crazy), Jessie Govan (wasn't interested), Tyler Lydon (no shot he was pure Cuse)
2014- Isaiah Whitehead (recruited), Chris McCullough (He preferred Cuse), Terry Larrier (you all know I liked him a lot), Angel Delgado (SHU did great job recruiting him), Khadeem Carrington (SHU was a better fit)
2103- Dakari Johnson (no shot), Jermaine Lawrence (was too crazy), Kentan Facey (project thin year for bigs)
2012- DaJuan Coleman (no shot), Omar Calhoun (him and DLO would have been too much personality), Chris Obekpa (got him), Mike Tobey (not a good fit), Melvin Johnson (would have recruited the hell out of him but had no space)
You just made a point I have been talking about for a long time Dave...
How many of all those kids graduated from schools in NYC..? When they graduate, are they acknowledged nationally as being from NYC or are they associated from what ever basketball factory they actually finish at..?
**McCullough left NYC after his Freshman year, he is not a product on NYC high school basketball
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I'm not sure how he reminds anybody of Ingram. Ingram was 5'9" at best and had a push shot from his chest. Shamorie a lot taller, has high release, is a lot more fluid taking the ball to the hoop. Shamorie's game has zero similarities to Elijah Ingram except that they both play basketball.
BTW those silly Kenny Anderson, Tiny Archibold and Brandon Jennings comparisons people were throwing around are not doing the kid any favors!
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I'm not sure how he reminds anybody of Ingram. Ingram was 5'9" at best and had a push shot from his chest. Shamorie a lot taller, has high release, is a lot more fluid taking the ball to the hoop. Shamorie's game has zero similarities to Elijah Ingram except that they both play basketball.
BTW those silly Kenny Anderson, Tiny Archibold and Brandon Jennings comparisons people were throwing around are not doing the kid any favors!
Yea, but when has hype ever hurt an SJU player?
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I'm not sure how he reminds anybody of Ingram. Ingram was 5'9" at best and had a push shot from his chest. Shamorie a lot taller, has high release, is a lot more fluid taking the ball to the hoop. Shamorie's game has zero similarities to Elijah Ingram except that they both play basketball.
BTW those silly Kenny Anderson, Tiny Archibold and Brandon Jennings comparisons people were throwing around are not doing the kid any favors!
Yea, but when has hype ever hurt an SJU player?
Joke right?
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I'm not sure how he reminds anybody of Ingram. Ingram was 5'9" at best and had a push shot from his chest. Shamorie a lot taller, has high release, is a lot more fluid taking the ball to the hoop. Shamorie's game has zero similarities to Elijah Ingram except that they both play basketball.
BTW those silly Kenny Anderson, Tiny Archibold and Brandon Jennings comparisons people were throwing around are not doing the kid any favors!
Yea, but when has hype ever hurt an SJU player?
Ricky Torres?
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Briscoe and Anderson were from new jersey which is close but not local in my mind. I want Ponds. He is the best player from our city.
NYC has been really depleted of talent for a number of years now. I'll even extend it to all of NY...
2015- Cheick Diallo (recruited), Thomas Bryant (he's crazy), Jessie Govan (wasn't interested), Tyler Lydon (no shot he was pure Cuse)
2014- Isaiah Whitehead (recruited), Chris McCullough (He preferred Cuse), Terry Larrier (you all know I liked him a lot), Angel Delgado (SHU did great job recruiting him), Khadeem Carrington (SHU was a better fit)
2103- Dakari Johnson (no shot), Jermaine Lawrence (was too crazy), Kentan Facey (project thin year for bigs)
2012- DaJuan Coleman (no shot), Omar Calhoun (him and DLO would have been too much personality), Chris Obekpa (got him), Mike Tobey (not a good fit), Melvin Johnson (would have recruited the hell out of him but had no space)
You just made a point I have been talking about for a long time Dave...
How many of all those kids graduated from schools in NYC..? When they graduate, are they acknowledged nationally as being from NYC or are they associated from what ever basketball factory they actually finish at..?
**McCullough left NYC after his Freshman year, he is not a product on NYC high school basketball
McCullough is still a kid from the Bronx though. I think it's good for a lot of them to get out of their environments but I also think there are a lot of opportunistic people creating these basketball factories which are not good for the kids.
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I'm not sure how he reminds anybody of Ingram. Ingram was 5'9" at best and had a push shot from his chest. Shamorie a lot taller, has high release, is a lot more fluid taking the ball to the hoop. Shamorie's game has zero similarities to Elijah Ingram except that they both play basketball.
BTW those silly Kenny Anderson, Tiny Archibold and Brandon Jennings comparisons people were throwing around are not doing the kid any favors!
Yea, but when has hype ever hurt an SJU player?
Ricky Torres?
Felipe Lopez
And anyone Steve Lavin compared someone to
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So if there really is a press conference scheduled for 2:30, you know we would've had all the details by now . Right !
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So if there really is a press conference scheduled for 2:30, you know we would've had all the details by now . Right !
huh?
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So if there really is a press conference scheduled for 2:30, you know we would've had all the details by now . Right !
I am three hours earlier than NYC and even I know 2:30 p.m. EDT has not happened yet. 45 minutes to go! Fingers crossed!
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So if there really is a press conference scheduled for 2:30, you know we would've had all the details by now . Right !
U do realize that their are differing levels of press conferences . Their will be some media. But ponds is not Michael Jordan .
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So if there really is a press conference scheduled for 2:30, you know we would've had all the details by now . Right !
Senseless
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So if there really is a press conference scheduled for 2:30, you know we would've had all the details by now . Right !
Its times like these that I miss WillieG and his level headed rationale...
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Ponds wearing blue and white and Jim McDermott is there..... #doomed
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Ponds wearing blue and white and Jim McDermott is there..... #doomed
Who's Jim McDermott?
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So if there really is a press conference scheduled for 2:30, you know we would've had all the details by now . Right !
I am three hours earlier than NYC and even I know 2:30 p.m. EDT has not happened yet. 45 minutes to go! Fingers crossed!
I set my clock ahead by 40 minutes. Still no announcement. Something must be wrong.
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Ponds wearing blue and white and Jim McDermott is there..... #doomed
you do realize that the people on twitter who tweeted that info were joking, right?
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This is actually the correct link-
https://www.periscope.tv/F150Bflinn/1mrGmpdgRjMKy
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2:35! What's happening?
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2:30 really means 3:15.
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
FWIW Ponds is wearing an Under Armour shirt
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Zach just tweeted shocker St. John's .
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Zach just tweeted shocker St. John's .
Zach is being a wise ass.
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Just read it is official . We got him!
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Quick and to the point. St Johns!
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Great for us. Ponds will look great in red and white. I get he was joking but wtf is Zach's deal. How unprofessional can you possible get
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Live press conference feed--Putting on SJU jersey now
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Wow, it was great to be able to see Shamorie select us live.
What a great day for Shamorie, Coach Mullin, St. John's, and the JJ posters!!!
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Whew..... Great get welcome to the family Shamorie.
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Welcome Shamorie Ponds!
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@mabde33 1m
Just jumped up and down as people looked at me weird at my hotel in Prague. Great day for St John's & NYC #sjubb
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https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/648930210058997760
Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
Shamorie Ponds is St. John's first verbal pledge of the 2016 recruiting class. Ponds had a strong summer playing with the NY Lightning.
Brian Snow @BSnowScout 4m4 minutes ago
Chris Mullin knows St. John's has always been built on NYC talent and Shamorie Ponds is huge www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruit...ive-ponds-big-mullin …
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Welcome Shamorie!!!!
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Ponds 'I'm texting Rawle right now'
Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria 1m1 minute ago
'It's basically a dream come true. I always wanted to stay home and play in front of my family'
Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Ponds said Mullin told him he could wear No. 20
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Ponds 'I'm texting Rawle right now'
Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria 1m1 minute ago
'It's basically a dream come true. I always wanted to stay home and play in front of my family'
Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Ponds said Mullin told him he could wear No. 20
Texting rawle is awesome. The fact that he wants 20 and that mully would give it to him......now that's pretty cool
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Welcome Shamorie!
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https://twitter.com/PaulBiancardi/status/648931502445731841
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On to Ahmed
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
'Chris Mullin had a huge part because he's from here' Shawn Ponds
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Welcome Shamorie! Let the local talent flood gates open!
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@mabde33 1m
Just jumped up and down as people looked at me weird at my hotel in Prague. Great day for St John's & NYC #sjubb
is the German kid currently in Prague..?
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http://nypost.com/2015/09/29/shamorie-ponds-signals-new-st-johns-era-with-commitment/
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria 3m3 minutes ago
Shamorie said he decided last week, his dad said yesterday.
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@mabde33 1m
Just jumped up and down as people looked at me weird at my hotel in Prague. Great day for St John's & NYC #sjubb
is the German kid currently in Prague..?
No
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Nice work Chris, Slice and Matt!
Lets continue to build a solid foundation.
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Fran FraschillaVerified account
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Really liked Shamorie Ponds this summer. It's a great start for Saint John's. There's still nothing like NYC kid playing in the Garden.
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NYC kids also put their friends and relatives in the stands.
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Bingo.
Awesome.
Welcome.
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Great get for Mullin, and on to the next one.
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Great job staff!
REALLY looking forward to Lovett and Ponds in the backcourt. Two really exciting lefties.
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Is he more of a SG or scoring PG
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@mabde33 1m
Just jumped up and down as people looked at me weird at my hotel in Prague. Great day for St John's & NYC #sjubb
is the German kid currently in Prague..?
No
Wonder why Matt is in Prague then... isn't it a live period in the US right now..?
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@mabde33 1m
Just jumped up and down as people looked at me weird at my hotel in Prague. Great day for St John's & NYC #sjubb
is the German kid currently in Prague..?
No
Wonder why Matt is in Prague then... isn't it a live period in the US right now..?
perhaps he is getting connecting flight. He was going to see Freudenberg, who I thought was back in school in Germany.
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@mabde33 1m
Just jumped up and down as people looked at me weird at my hotel in Prague. Great day for St John's & NYC #sjubb
is the German kid currently in Prague..?
No
Wonder why Matt is in Prague then... isn't it a live period in the US right now..?
Noticed Matt follows Get Better Academy in Prague on Twitter. Assume that is where he is headed prior to seeing Freudenberg in Munich.
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Welcome to SJU Shamorie
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Great news. Welcome Shamorie!
This is only the beginning of many good things to come.
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Welcome Sham! Wow! Ponds!
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Yes yes yes!!!!
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Tony D's middle schoolers knew all along!
Awesome day for the Johnnies!
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Tony D's middle schoolers knew all along!
Awesome day for the Johnnies!
The boys have pretended they were Pond's on the school yard plenty in the last year. This is the biggest recruit we have gotten since Artest. He is ranked higher then Harrison, hope he is as good. Harkless only stayed a year. Hoping Ponds stays 4. Very excited! WE ARE
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Tony D's middle schoolers knew all along!
Awesome day for the Johnnies!
The boys have pretended they were Pond's on the school yard plenty in the last year. This is the biggest recruit we have gotten since Artest. He is ranked higher then Harrison, hope he is as good. Harkless only stayed a year. Hoping Ponds stays 4. Very excited! WE ARE
I'm excited we landed Ponds, but I don't think his commitment is any, bigger than the day we landed Harkless or Harrison. Hindsight, no one thought Harkless would stay a season, and Harrison and Ponds rankings were nearly identical.
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BTW-I got good confirmation that Cooley and his staff definitely played up the idea that Ponds should think twice playing for an "All-White staff " at SJU.
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Welcome aboard Shamorie!!! - can't wait to see you play.
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@ShamorieP: Sorry for the wait. St John's Commit⚫️⚪️🔴 http://t.co/10mPssE4Xv
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Wonderful to see that Chris "closed the deal"; this can only help him feel more confidence in the one part of the job that is truly new to him.
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Fantastic news!!!!
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@ShamorieP: Sorry for the wait. St John's Commit⚫️⚪️🔴 http://t.co/10mPssE4Xv
Guess Shamorie heard about all the gnashing of teeth on the St. John's boards.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/mullin-st-john-land-top-nyc-recruit-shamorie-ponds-article-1.2378727
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@mabde33 1m
Just jumped up and down as people looked at me weird at my hotel in Prague. Great day for St John's & NYC #sjubb
is the German kid currently in Prague..?
No
Wonder why Matt is in Prague then... isn't it a live period in the US right now..?
Probably in Prague because it is one of the most beautiful places on earth....with his work ethic I am thinking he may look at a few kids in the area
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@mabde33 1m
Just jumped up and down as people looked at me weird at my hotel in Prague. Great day for St John's & NYC #sjubb
is the German kid currently in Prague..?
No
Wonder why Matt is in Prague then... isn't it a live period in the US right now..?
Probably in Prague because it is one of the most beautiful places on earth....with his work ethic I am thinking he may look at a few kids in the area
He is visiting several basketball academies prior to going to Munich to see Freudenberg.
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Welcome Aboard
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@ShamorieP: Sorry for the wait. St John's Commit⚫️⚪️🔴 http://t.co/10mPssE4Xv
Welcome Shamorie. As a fellow Brooklynite I say good luck with the Tommy Jeffs on your way to the city championship. We will all be following you this year.
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“It is a dream come true,” Ponds said. “I’m going to be playing in Madison Square Garden and I’m going to do my best to make my parents proud and make the Garden my home.”
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Perhaps visiting Amar's cousin as well?
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Perhaps visiting Amar's cousin as well?
lives in Chicago
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This is an unbelievable get for the program. College basketball is a guards game and we now have 3 very good your guards who can play the one and the two. Add in the other pieces we have and that Alkins, Ahmed and others are still on the board and the future is looking brighter then it has in a long time. Lavin got highly rated recruits but I really like the mix of guys Chris and the staff are bringing in. This year is going to be fun but next we are going to be dangerous.
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The staff is building a program. That is what we need and have needed for a long time.
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This is an unbelievable get for the program. College basketball is a guards game and we now have 3 very good your guards who can play the one and the two. Add in the other pieces we have and that Alkins, Ahmed and others are still on the board and the future is looking brighter then it has in a long time. Lavin got highly rated recruits but I really like the mix of guys Chris and the staff are bringing in. This year is going to be fun but next we are going to be dangerous.
i think we should temper expectation for more guards. with 3 already on the team, plus Ponds, I find it difficult to imagine we are going to get more.
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This is an unbelievable get for the program. College basketball is a guards game and we now have 3 very good your guards who can play the one and the two. Add in the other pieces we have and that Alkins, Ahmed and others are still on the board and the future is looking brighter then it has in a long time. Lavin got highly rated recruits but I really like the mix of guys Chris and the staff are bringing in. This year is going to be fun but next we are going to be dangerous.
i think we should temper expectation for more guards. with 3 already on the team, plus Ponds, I find it difficult to imagine we are going to get more.
I mentioned one guard and he's a top 10 players in his class. Ahmed is a wing and we are going to pass up Alkins if he wants to come? No shot. I don't think we get Alkins but if he wants in he is in obviously.
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http://nypost.com/2015/10/02/nyc-recruiting-landscape-is-changing-with-these-four-talents/
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@CNG_Staszewski: First of two columns on Ponds commitment - JOE KNOWS: Ponds a fitting local face for St. John's http://t.co/b7nGOJI8MU #sjubb
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Part 2
http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2015/41/blockshotsplan-tl-2015-10-09-q.html
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Does anybody know if ponds is going to sign this week
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And do you expect anybody else to sign during this period.
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And do you expect anybody else to sign during this period.
Yeah.... Thon Maker and Rawle Alkins will sign with Ponds. Seriously, I haven't heard anything about Ponds signing tomorrow.
By the way, for future reference, attempt to post this particular message in the recruits' thread. Not to mention, you can also edit your posts, so you won't have to seem like you're responding to yourself.
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@AdamZagoria: Sounds like @ShamorieP will sign with St. John's later this week or early next
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@AdamZagoria: Sounds like @ShamorieP will sign with St. John's later this week or early next
Good to see. Thoughts of next year will make this season less painful.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Hearing Monday for Shamorie Ponds signing. #sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: Shamorie Ponds will sign Monday at 2:30. #sjubb
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Great news
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@AdamZagoria: Sounds like @ShamorieP will sign with St. John's later this week or early next
Good to see. Thoughts of next year will make this season less painful.
Agree.. A backcourt of Lovett, Ponds, Ellison and Mussini much better thought than one of two freshmen Mussini and Ellison by themselves. Ponds will be a big upgrade for us and our young guys will have a year under their belt.
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Did he sign today as people said he would? I know I think it was Braziller who said it would be 230 today.
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paultzman any update on ponds
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Does ponds play Pg? Or are after another PG?
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Is the silence something we need to be worried about or were the fax machines just down this afternoon ?
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Early signing period ends tomorrow I believe. Would be a bit odd if he didn't sign during this period after we saw several reports that he would.
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Relax;
@AdamZagoria: . @ShamorieP will sign with St. John's tomorrow.
Syracuse-bound @kidmamba23 also signs Wednesday.
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any word?
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@AdamZagoria: Was told @ShamorieP signed earlier this week with St. John's. No official press release yet.
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Thank you
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@NYPost_Brazille: St. John's has received the NLI from four-star guard Shamorie Ponds, I'm told. Huge start to the 2016 class. #sjubb
@NYPost_Brazille: With three scholarships still open, #sjubb has zeroed in on Bashir Ahmed and Richard Freudenberg as top targets.
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Alright Alright Alright
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Shamorie along with his coach Lawrence "Bud" Pollard and several Jefferson teammates will be attending tomorrow's game against Rutgers. Let's make sure we give them a big St. John's welcome.
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Shamorie along with his coach Lawrence "Bud" Pollard and several Jefferson teammates will be attending tomorrow's game against Rutgers. Let's make sure we give them a big St. John's welcome.
As long as two people politely clap it will qualify as a big St. John's welcome. :)
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@NYPost_Brazille: St. John's has received the NLI from four-star guard Shamorie Ponds, I'm told. Huge start to the 2016 class. #sjubb
@NYPost_Brazille: With three scholarships still open, #sjubb has zeroed in on Bashir Ahmed and Richard Freudenberg as top targets.
Does this mean there are no more trips to Carolina scheduled?
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@NYPost_Brazille: St. John's has received the NLI from four-star guard Shamorie Ponds, I'm told. Huge start to the 2016 class. #sjubb
@NYPost_Brazille: With three scholarships still open, #sjubb has zeroed in on Bashir Ahmed and Richard Freudenberg as top targets.
Does this mean there are no more trips to Carolina scheduled?
It means IMO the chances are very good of getting RF & BA. Doubt Maker is possible & Rawle remains in play, but a tough get.
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Talking with staff member last night my understanding is in line with above.....very confident with Bashir and Freudberg, both of which they described as highly skilled with the ability to score...Impression I got is forget Thon but Rawlie perhaps more in play then we think. Still worried about NC ST but they believe he has legit interest in coming
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Announcement;
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111915aaa.html
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Shamorie along with his coach Lawrence "Bud" Pollard and several Jefferson teammates will be attending tomorrow's game against Rutgers. Let's make sure we give them a big St. John's welcome.
As long as two people politely clap it will qualify as a big St. John's welcome. :)
Does that include you?
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Welcome aboard Shamorie!
Man, we are looking good for next year. This staff really knows how to build a roster.
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Welcome Shamorie! That's going to be some back court next year.
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Welcome Shamorie! That's going to be some back court next year.
Frontcourt isnt anything to sneeze at also.
Sima
Yakwe
Owens
Jones
Williams
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Welcome Shamorie! That's going to be some back court next year.
Frontcourt isnt anything to sneeze at also.
Sima
Yakwe
Owens
Jones
Williams
Agree. We will be good next year. Loved what I saw of Owens early, and we will still be adding more for 2016. Next year is when we start making bigger steps forward.
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Talking with staff member last night my understanding is in line with above.....very confident with Bashir and Freudberg, both of which they described as highly skilled with the ability to score...Impression I got is forget Thon but Rawlie perhaps more in play then we think. Still worried about NC ST but they believe he has legit interest in coming
While I appreciate the info, I always worry when people attribute information to conversations with the staff. I'm not sure what the specific restrictions are about private conversations, but there are rules against discussing potential recruits. "Someone close to the program" might be a better way to put it.
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Talking with staff member last night my understanding is in line with above.....very confident with Bashir and Freudberg, both of which they described as highly skilled with the ability to score...Impression I got is forget Thon but Rawlie perhaps more in play then we think. Still worried about NC ST but they believe he has legit interest in coming
While I appreciate the info, I always worry when people attribute information to conversations with the staff. I'm not sure what the specific restrictions are about private conversations, but there are rules against discussing potential recruits. "Someone close to the program" might be a better way to put it.
Believe rule is you cannot give any publicity to an unsigned recruit but pillow talk with your wife is allowed.
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Talking with staff member last night my understanding is in line with above.....very confident with Bashir and Freudberg, both of which they described as highly skilled with the ability to score...Impression I got is forget Thon but Rawlie perhaps more in play then we think. Still worried about NC ST but they believe he has legit interest in coming
While I appreciate the info, I always worry when people attribute information to conversations with the staff. I'm not sure what the specific restrictions are about private conversations, but there are rules against discussing potential recruits. "Someone close to the program" might be a better way to put it.
Agree.... I appreciate the info, but "sources" or "someone close to the program," as you mentioned, would be a good way of putting it.
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Saw shamorie play last night, he's gonna have to do a lot before he really impacts the big east. Must transform his body, and learn to impact the game in other ways than scoring. Very good off the dribble but lack of strength makes him easily guard able by bigger defenders. Still think he is a good 4 year player but not a starter from day 1
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Saw shamorie play last night, he's gonna have to do a lot before he really impacts the big east. Must transform his body, and learn to impact the game in other ways than scoring. Very good off the dribble but lack of strength makes him easily guard able by bigger defenders. Still think he is a good 4 year player but not a starter from day 1
Agree on your prognosis for next year Chileb. How was his defense?
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Saw shamorie play last night, he's gonna have to do a lot before he really impacts the big east. Must transform his body, and learn to impact the game in other ways than scoring. Very good off the dribble but lack of strength makes him easily guard able by bigger defenders. Still think he is a good 4 year player but not a starter from day 1
I'm not sure I agree there. While I think he'll benefit from added strength he doesn't require it to make an impact. I also think his role on Jefferson is to be the main scorer and to be their volume guy where he doesn't have to be at St. John's. He's a capable passer but make no mistake about it he's a gunner.
Also remember that time Kevin Durant couldn't bench press 185 lbs? Yea that was after college.
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I also think he has long arms and can be very pesky on defense. While obviously a different body type than Roosevelt Jones....he is sort of similar in that he just get results you might not expect.
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Saw shamorie play last night, he's gonna have to do a lot before he really impacts the big east. Must transform his body, and learn to impact the game in other ways than scoring. Very good off the dribble but lack of strength makes him easily guard able by bigger defenders. Still think he is a good 4 year player but not a starter from day 1
I'm not sure I agree there. While I think he'll benefit from added strength he doesn't require it to make an impact. I also think his role on Jefferson is to be the main scorer and to be their volume guy where he doesn't have to be at St. John's. He's a capable passer but make no mistake about it he's a gunner.
Also remember that time Kevin Durant couldn't bench press 185 lbs? Yea that was after college.
Kevin durant is a freak of nature. I wouldn't necessarily use him as the best comparison Dave . He was the #2 pick in the draft. He was also 6'10 and averaged 10 plus boards. Shamorie actually dosent have to be the volume guy on his Highschool team. He plays with two other very good guards. One is Rasheen Dunn who is also a division 1 player. My thing is if the kid isn't scoring he has 0 affect on the game at this point and I think that assessment is fair and warranted. When your a top 45 recruit people may get the notion to think that he's going to be dynamite out of the gate. I see the kid a lot and this post was to temper expectations. He can shoot but by no means is he a dangelo Harrison type. He's streaky. He will be a good 4 year player. He's 6'0 and very slight. Learning to control tempo, defend his position and make everybody around you better is very important. What if the gunner has a bad shooting night. Then how will he help us win? The big east is the big east.
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Saw shamorie play last night, he's gonna have to do a lot before he really impacts the big east. Must transform his body, and learn to impact the game in other ways than scoring. Very good off the dribble but lack of strength makes him easily guard able by bigger defenders. Still think he is a good 4 year player but not a starter from day 1
I'm not sure I agree there. While I think he'll benefit from added strength he doesn't require it to make an impact. I also think his role on Jefferson is to be the main scorer and to be their volume guy where he doesn't have to be at St. John's. He's a capable passer but make no mistake about it he's a gunner.
Also remember that time Kevin Durant couldn't bench press 185 lbs? Yea that was after college.
Kevin durant is a freak of nature. I wouldn't necessarily use him as the best comparison Dave . He was the #2 pick in the draft. He was also 6'10 and averaged 10 plus boards. Shamorie actually dosent have to be the volume guy on his Highschool team. He plays with two other very good guards. One is Rasheen Dunn who is also a division 1 player. My thing is if the kid isn't scoring he has 0 affect on the game at this point and I think that assessment is fair and warranted. When your a top 45 recruit people may get the notion to think that he's going to be dynamite out of the gate. I see the kid a lot and this post was to temper expectations. He can shoot but by no means is he a dangelo Harrison type. He's streaky. He will be a good 4 year player. He's 6'0 and very slight. Learning to control tempo, defend his position and make everybody around you better is very important. What if the gunner has a bad shooting night. Then how will he help us win? The big east is the big east.
Thx man
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So now he is a 6'1 project? Dlo like a 38% fg shooter. Don't know many who were more streaky.
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So now he is a 6'1 project? Dlo like a 38% fg shooter. Don't know many who were more streaky.
Who said project? All I said was let's be patient, he may not be instant impact. And dlo affected the game in many different ways. D'lo was 6'3 and had the heart of a lion from day 1. Just remember I do root for the same team as the rest of you.
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Thanks for the first hand info chilleb. Which team do you root for?
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I think SirDom was mid-thirties...took him awhile.
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Thanks for the first hand info chilleb. Which team do you root for?
Lol , no doubt man. the same team as everybody else on this board
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Saw shamorie play last night, he's gonna have to do a lot before he really impacts the big east. Must transform his body, and learn to impact the game in other ways than scoring. Very good off the dribble but lack of strength makes him easily guard able by bigger defenders. Still think he is a good 4 year player but not a starter from day 1
I'm not sure I agree there. While I think he'll benefit from added strength he doesn't require it to make an impact. I also think his role on Jefferson is to be the main scorer and to be their volume guy where he doesn't have to be at St. John's. He's a capable passer but make no mistake about it he's a gunner.
Also remember that time Kevin Durant couldn't bench press 185 lbs? Yea that was after college.
Kevin durant is a freak of nature. I wouldn't necessarily use him as the best comparison Dave . He was the #2 pick in the draft. He was also 6'10 and averaged 10 plus boards. Shamorie actually dosent have to be the volume guy on his Highschool team. He plays with two other very good guards. One is Rasheen Dunn who is also a division 1 player. My thing is if the kid isn't scoring he has 0 affect on the game at this point and I think that assessment is fair and warranted. When your a top 45 recruit people may get the notion to think that he's going to be dynamite out of the gate. I see the kid a lot and this post was to temper expectations. He can shoot but by no means is he a dangelo Harrison type. He's streaky. He will be a good 4 year player. He's 6'0 and very slight. Learning to control tempo, defend his position and make everybody around you better is very important. What if the gunner has a bad shooting night. Then how will he help us win? The big east is the big east.
You don't need to have incredible strength to impact the game. Yes I used KD as an example because he competed at the highest level and performed while being the 'weakest' player. You want an example less lofty? How about Mussini? He's a string bean and still making an impact.
Also Shamorie has good defensive instincts. Active hands in passing lanes and gets a lot of steals which lead to transition points. I agree with you that he needs to get stronger because he will have a tough time finishing at the rim but he's crafty.
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Appreciate your honest opinion Chillie. But at the same time you got to understand we all hope you're wrong. ;)
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I respect Chileb's opinion a lot because he frequently sees these kids. Also, unless I am missing something, he did say Ponds would be a good four year player, but may not start year one. What's the big deal with that?
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Exactly. Many kids in the top 30-50 range progress from contributors to stars. Personally, I like that the intent seems to build a balanced roster with kids in that range who are going to be good contributors for 3-4 years, a few JUCO's/transfers mixed in, with the hope that we land our share of "two and dones" (or even a one and done here and there).
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No harm in tempering expectations at St.John's.
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Sheed was top 20 and he actually hurt us the first couple of months. Lav overused him at first. Hurt both him and us. Super talent though.
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I respect Chileb's opinion a lot because he frequently sees these kids. Also, unless I am missing something, he did say Ponds would be a good four year player, but may not start year one. What's the big deal with that?
I think Chileb has some good points and you'd hope that Sophomores would start over freshman but disagree he needs to add strength and change his game before he can impact in Big East.
Ryan Arcidiacono was a soft string bean his freshman year. He certainly made an impact immediately and he's benefitted from physical maturity and experience.
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I respect Chileb's opinion a lot because he frequently sees these kids. Also, unless I am missing something, he did say Ponds would be a good four year player, but may not start year one. What's the big deal with that?
I think Chileb has some good points and you'd hope that Sophomores would start over freshman but disagree he needs to add strength and change his game before he can impact in Big East.
Ryan Arcidiacono was a soft string bean his freshman year. He certainly made an impact immediately and he's benefitted from physical maturity and experience.
I want the kid to be the Naismith player of the year the #1 pick in the draft and lead us to the final 4. I hope just as much as anyone else on this board that the kid is superb from jump. However I'm giving my honest opinion having seen this kid a ton. Dave you know I respect your opinion and all of your contributions here but yet again the two players you named Ryan arch and mussini affect the game in more ways then one. If I had one critique I would say shamorie has not learned yet how to affect the game at a "high level" in other ways besides scoring. Mussini and Ryan arch are both very heady players who control the game. Would you give shamorie that stamp just yet? Does being a pesky defender at the Highschool level really translate to the big east right away? Will his good passing ability be on full display from day 1 when he has never played the point full time at a high level? Asante gist was his backcourt partner on the eybl circuit. Weight is not the only thing he needs to add, I would hope every Highschool player tries to gain strength to adjust to the physicality of the division 1 game. Shamorie right now is a crafty scorer and a good shooter. Two attributes that can be propelled by weight training. I don't think it's a travesty to say the kid needs to get stronger. I never said he was a bad pickup or he was overrated as I have done openly with many other players our staff has tried to recruit. I just want to temper expectations. That is all.
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I respect Chileb's opinion a lot because he frequently sees these kids. Also, unless I am missing something, he did say Ponds would be a good four year player, but may not start year one. What's the big deal with that?
I think Chileb has some good points and you'd hope that Sophomores would start over freshman but disagree he needs to add strength and change his game before he can impact in Big East.
Ryan Arcidiacono was a soft string bean his freshman year. He certainly made an impact immediately and he's benefitted from physical maturity and experience.
I want the kid to be the Naismith player of the year the #1 pick in the draft and lead us to the final 4. I hope just as much as anyone else on this board that the kid is superb from jump. However I'm giving my honest opinion having seen this kid a ton. Dave you know I respect your opinion and all of your contributions here but yet again the two players you named Ryan arch and mussini affect the game in more ways then one. If I had one critique I would say shamorie has not learned yet how to affect the game at a "high level" in other ways besides scoring. Mussini and Ryan arch are both very heady players who control the game. Would you give shamorie that stamp just yet? Does being a pesky defender at the Highschool level really translate to the big east right away? Will his good passing ability be on full display from day 1 when he has never played the point full time at a high level? Asante gist was his backcourt partner on the eybl circuit. Weight is not the only thing he needs to add, I would hope every Highschool player tries to gain strength to adjust to the physicality of the division 1 game. Shamorie right now is a crafty scorer and a good shooter. Two attributes that can be propelled by weight training. I don't think it's a travesty to say the kid needs to get stronger. I never said he was a bad pickup or he was overrated as I have done openly with many other players our staff has tried to recruit. I just want to temper expectations. That is all.
Well said. Good points.
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Thanks for the first hand info chilleb. Which team do you root for?
Lol , no doubt man. the same team as everybody else on this board
Sorry read that post wrong haha. Glad to hear it
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Saw shamorie play last night, he's gonna have to do a lot before he really impacts the big east. Must transform his body, and learn to impact the game in other ways than scoring. Very good off the dribble but lack of strength makes him easily guard able by bigger defenders. Still think he is a good 4 year player but not a starter from day 1
Always respect your opinion, Chilleb, and I agree he needs to get stronger, but I think he has enough to contribute at the college level right now. He can get his shot off out of almost any situation (steal, deflection, pass, etc.) in one dribble. He is a lock for 2 steals a game and more than his share of boards with his nose for the ball. I think he'd be better than Mussini if he was playing for us this season.
Hatten was 165 pounds as a senior. Steph Curry dominated college as a very scrawny 6'1 guard.
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Ponds doesn't need to do too much because we will have Lovett and Mussini in the backcourt as well.
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Ponds doesn't need to do too much because we will have Lovett and Mussini in the backcourt as well.
My thoughts exactly. We have the luxury of bringing Ponds along as slow or fast as his development allows. Mussini and Ellison will play substantial minutes this year, and Lovett should be primed to take over the point. Adding Yakwe's rebounding, Owens' length and hopefully 1 or more dynamic forward in Ahmed/Freudenberg would make this team deep and diverse, if nothing else.
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Ponds doesn't need to do too much because we will have Lovett and Mussini in the backcourt as well.
My thoughts exactly. We have the luxury of bringing Ponds along as slow or fast as his development allows. Mussini and Ellison will play substantial minutes this year, and Lovett should be primed to take over the point. Adding Yakwe's rebounding, Owens' length and hopefully 1 or more dynamic forward in Ahmed/Freudenberg would make this team deep and diverse, if nothing else.
Exactly
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Ponds doesn't need to do too much because we will have Lovett and Mussini in the backcourt as well.
I think his defense will make it tough to keep him off the court. His team plays almost exclusively zone, but he really has some nose for the ball and has the physical tools to be the best defender of the trio.
But I agree with other posters that we really have a fine situation with Lovett, Mussini, Ellison, and perhaps Freudenburg and Ahmed that we can bring Ponds along at the most appropriate pace for his development. We won't "need" him to be a star right away.
I've been very impressed with Mussini this season. I think the personnel on this roster is crying out for a 1-3-1 (M'Vouika, Ellison, or Mussini up top and Balamou on the baseline) or 2-3 zone to help minimize his liability on defense, but it's understandable that our primary x's and o's guys want to stick with man-to-man coming from the NBA.
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We will have several good ball handlers next season. Ponds will command time because he can flat out score. I can definitely see plenty of times next season where we might play three guards with the mix of Lovett, mussini, ponds, Ellison etc.
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We will have several good ball handlers next season. Ponds will command time because he can flat out score. I can definitely see plenty of times next season where we might play three guards with the mix of Lovett, mussini, ponds, Ellison etc.
No doubt. I really like the combination of speed and ability to create off the bounce next year.
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We will have several good ball handlers next season. Ponds will command time because he can flat out score. I can definitely see plenty of times next season where we might play three guards with the mix of Lovett, mussini, ponds, Ellison etc.
No doubt. I really like the combination of speed and ability to create off the bounce next year.
Not to mention shooting. Could be our best group of backcourt shooters during my time, which would probably just mean beating out last years group. And that group was actually very effective shooting the 3. Exciting times
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We will have several good ball handlers next season. Ponds will command time because he can flat out score. I can definitely see plenty of times next season where we might play three guards with the mix of Lovett, mussini, ponds, Ellison etc.
No doubt. I really like the combination of speed and ability to create off the bounce next year.
Right now it's a little tough because Mussini is being asked to do too much without almost any help. He will be going from famine to feast next year with two guys like Lovett and Ponds. Those three can all really get into passing lanes, are all good and crafty handlers and passers and all must be guarded. Ellison a different type of player but he has big upside and will come along with time. This year will be really good for Mussini though, despite what our record will be at the end of the year. He's already going through the grinder and doing a good job for a young kid. Very excited about the possibilities moving forward.
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We will have several good ball handlers next season. Ponds will command time because he can flat out score. I can definitely see plenty of times next season where we might play three guards with the mix of Lovett, mussini, ponds, Ellison etc.
No doubt. I really like the combination of speed and ability to create off the bounce next year.
Not to mention shooting. Could be our best group of backcourt shooters during my time, which would probably just mean beating out last years group. And that group was actually very effective shooting the 3. Exciting times
Add to that the entire group will likely be around the entire 4 seasons, it could mean a pretty good team over next few years..
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New Daily News article on Ponds
http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/ponds-ready-hs-season-heading-st-john-article-1.2449296
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Andrew Slater tweet;
#sjubb PG commit Shamorie Ponds @ShamorieP won MVP at the @bigappleclassic in a 75-74 win. 29 points, 5 Rebs
Beat Cardinal Hayes
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Andrew Slater tweet;
#sjubb PG commit Shamorie Ponds @ShamorieP won MVP at the @bigappleclassic in a 75-74 win. 29 points, 5 Rebs
Beat Cardinal Hayes
Very Nice !!
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http://www.hsboxscoresnyc.com/posts/9
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4-star recruit Shamorie Ponds had a solid game, finishing with 22 points and handing out several assists to his teammates throughout the contest. Ponds played the role of the offensive catalyst for Jefferson, showcasing his ability to find his teammates for open looks. He didn't dominate the ball or take excessive shots during the game that you might expect a player of Ponds pedigree to take.
Ponds, who is signed to play for St. John's next season, struggled to shoot the ball from the perimeter, which is part of his repertoire. However, Ponds did make some outstanding plays during the game. The six-foot senior scored 8 points in the third quarter, including a nasty one handed tomahawk where he raised the ball high like the Statue of Liberty holding the torch and flushed it with his left hand. Ponds is left-handed so the dunk was natural for him, but it looked crazy and it sent a charge throughout an otherwise quiet crowd. - See more at: https://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1834940#sthash.Akn8if6z.5qzNtHje.dpuf
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44 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists in a win today.
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44 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists in a win today.
that's it ?? ::)
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Chris Mullin has entered the building watching Shamorie Ponds.
MSG tweet
Ponds had 15 points v talented Iona Prep squad at half time. Born scorer!
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http://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2015/51/sp-joe-knows-jeffponds-2015-11-18-bd.html
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Ponds in City Of Palms playing against the UCLA commits the Ball brothers
Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels 26m26 minutes ago
I've seen some high point totals in this gym. Austin Rivers near 50 game comes to mind. Shamorie Ponds has 29 a minute into 2nd.
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Shamorie Ponds finished with 40. He's a very good & crafty finisher, especially for a guy with his size & athleticism.
Evan Daniels tweet
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In arguably best HS Holiday tourney in country, Ponds shot 14/25 with 3/8 from deep & made 9/10 FTs
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City of Palms Classic Tweet;
ICYMI, @StJohnsBBall commit @ShamorieP scored 40 points last night, marking the 21st 40+ permormance in #CityofPalmsClassic history
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http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1624688-city-of-palms-who-stood-out-on-day-one
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http://hoopseen.com/index.php/news/headlines/item/4009-city-of-palms-spotlight-standouts-part-2?utm_content=buffer401f8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Watched Shamorie play his final game at the City of Palms Classic. Scored 31 with impressive mix of inside and outside scoring. He made the all-tournament team and was one of ten players in the long history of the tournament to average over 30 points per game. Only negative was his tendency to coast at times. Also spoke with RJ Barrett about his father's time at St. John's -- nice kid. Can't believe he's a 9th grader.
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Watched Shamorie play his final game at the City of Palms Classic. Scored 31 with impressive mix of inside and outside scoring. He made the all-tournament team and was one of ten players in the long history of the tournament to average over 30 points per game. Only negative was his tendency to coast at times. Also spoke with RJ Barrett about his father's time at St. John's -- nice kid. Can't believe he's a 9th grader.
His dad is a great guy. And he can relate to playing without a point guard. His senior year, Johnnies won 11 games including losses in the Lapchick tourney to Cal Irvine, Iona at MSG in the Holiday Festival, and worst of all, a terrible Miami team with the ugliest player in BE history. Constantine Popa. I was in attendance for that one.
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Our "Nick Van Exel" playing in City of Palms Classic this week;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=YYsKCYgiXV0
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Our "Nick Van Exel" playing in City of Palms Classic this week;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=YYsKCYgiXV0
Really glad we have this kid aboard. He has a great shooting stroke and can finish with contact. Looking forward to watch him next year
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From that clip def looks like he can finish with both hands at the rim which is nice and can shoot it. Only think not shown in the clip is him passing the ball. What are his assist numbers like? or is that not really part of his game?
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From that clip def looks like he can finish with both hands at the rim which is nice and can shoot it. Only think not shown in the clip is him passing the ball. What are his assist numbers like? or is that not really part of his game?
In one game there he had 7assists & seems good in that regard, but foremost this kid is a scorer. Btw, it appears like he will be an effective defender, generating deflections & steals.
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Ponds is gonna be excellent for us. A 3 headed monster in the backcourt with Lovett, Ponds and Mussini, I can definitely see us playing 3 guards at times. All can really score and are dynamic players. Ponds will immediately sure up the backcourt a bit as well as Lovett. We will be in a lot better shape than this season where Mussini is out there alone and out of position as a freshman. I think Ellison will be a good 4 year player too, and significant contributor, but he's got a lot of work to do and is behind these guys in his development right now.
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We need a Qb who can break down defenses and either score or dish. Ponds and Lovett seem to fit that mold to a T with Ponds being a lethal scorer as well. 'Nova's built a perennial top 15 program off these type of guards.
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We need a Qb who can break down defenses and either score or dish. Ponds and Lovett seem to fit that mold to a T with Ponds being a lethal scorer as well. 'Nova's built a perennial top 15 program off these type of guards.
That's why people meant every week when we have struggles need to look at the big picture. It's not a harbinger for SJU's future. It's quite the opposite. Mussini will be twice as good next year due to his gauntlet this season. Next season he can step in next to Lovett and we can bring Ponds in off the bench or play 3 guards and we will be an entirely different team in the backcourt than this season. I do think that Ponds will be the guy off the bench because he will be just a freshman and also because Mussini has been a heck of a scorer as a freshman guard. He will be unstoppable when he isn't the primary ball handler and can concentrate at what he does best which is shooting and scoring. Eventually though, Ponds might be able to supplant him.
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We need a Qb who can break down defenses and either score or dish. Ponds and Lovett seem to fit that mold to a T with Ponds being a lethal scorer as well. 'Nova's built a perennial top 15 program off these type of guards.
That's why people meant every week when we have struggles need to look at the big picture. It's not a harbinger for SJU's future. It's quite the opposite. Mussini will be twice as good next year due to his gauntlet this season. Next season he can step in next to Lovett and we can bring Ponds in off the bench or play 3 guards and we will be an entirely different team in the backcourt than this season. I do think that Ponds will be the guy off the bench because he will be just a freshman and also because Mussini has been a heck of a scorer as a freshman guard. He will be unstoppable when he isn't the primary ball handler and can concentrate at what he does best which is shooting and scoring. Eventually though, Ponds might be able to supplant him.
Agreed.
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St. John's BBall @StJohnsBBall 3m3 minutes ago
#SJUBB 2016 commit & Brooklyn native Shamorie Ponds nominee for McDonald's All America Game
Nice!
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https://nychoops.n.rivals.com/news/farsighted-jefferson-trips-over-vikings
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31 points for Ponds last night in win over Lincoln;
https://nychoops.n.rivals.com/news/thomas-jefferson-cracks-lincoln
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Ng0mVk9Sc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SItyquV7VAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzwwXTnxsXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXahJvRB6XI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdcK9CwjijE
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Zach B tweeted
St John's signee Shamorie Ponds had 51 tonight in a win. Having a tremendous senior year. #sjubb
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This kid is so good it is ridiculous. People thought I was crazy for suggesting Heron didn't want to go up against him for minutes. He's going to be a McDonald's All-American. Filthy.
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This kid is so good it is ridiculous. People thought I was crazy for suggesting Heron didn't want to go up against him for minutes. He's going to be a McDonald's All-American. Filthy.
Could end up being a McDonald's all American and top 20 recruit when all is said and done. Thrilled he decided to take a chance on Mullin and co.
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This kid is so good it is ridiculous. People thought I was crazy for suggesting Heron didn't want to go up against him for minutes. He's going to be a McDonald's All-American. Filthy.
Heron going to Auburn had zero to do with Ponds. Take that one to the $bank$.
Looking at Heron's year, I don't think much concerns him & he is probably in better shape with McD selection this Saturday than Ponds.
http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/can-mustapha-be-a-mcdonalds-all-american?platform=hootsuite
Secondly, I agree with you on Ponds' ability, but getting on McD team is very political & not a lock for him in my opinion.
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This kid is so good it is ridiculous. People thought I was crazy for suggesting Heron didn't want to go up against him for minutes. He's going to be a McDonald's All-American. Filthy.
Heron going to Auburn had zero to do with Ponds. Take that one to the $bank$.
Looking at Heron's year, I don't think much concerns him & he is probably in better shape with McD selection this Saturday than Ponds.
http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/can-mustapha-be-a-mcdonalds-all-american?platform=hootsuite
Secondly, I agree with you on Ponds' ability, but getting on McD team is very political & not a lock for him in my opinion.
+1, in regards to Heron being "scared off" by Ponds and his overall recruitment.
+1 to the McDonald's team. It'll be a feather in Ponds' cap to get selected to the game, but frankly I don't care if he's selected or not. I think most savvy folks and recruiting guru's know we've gotten us a balla.
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This kid is so good it is ridiculous. People thought I was crazy for suggesting Heron didn't want to go up against him for minutes. He's going to be a McDonald's All-American. Filthy.
Heron going to Auburn had zero to do with Ponds. Take that one to the $bank$.
Looking at Heron's year, I don't think much concerns him & he is probably in better shape with McD selection this Saturday than Ponds.
http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/can-mustapha-be-a-mcdonalds-all-american?platform=hootsuite
Secondly, I agree with you on Ponds' ability, but getting on McD team is very political & not a lock for him in my opinion.
+1, in regards to Heron being "scared off" by Ponds and his overall recruitment.
+1 to the McDonald's team. It'll be a feather in Ponds' cap to get selected to the game, but frankly I don't care if he's selected or not. I think most savvy folks and recruiting guru's know we've gotten us a balla.
+1
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Id rather have him be BE ROY next year.
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Mickey D's game will be tough. Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Terrance Ferguson, Markell Fultz, Frank Jackson, Kobi Simmons, Lonzo Ball are probably the locks.
In the convo... Josh Langford, Kyle Guy, Tyus Battle, Peyton Pritchard, Seventh Woods, Cassius Winston, Alterique Gilbert
Better hope they consider Alkins a SF too. Ponds having great performances at City of Palms and Torrey Pines helps his cause.
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Mickey D's game will be tough. Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Terrance Ferguson, Markell Fultz, Frank Jackson, Kobi Simmons, Lonzo Ball are probably the locks.
In the convo... Josh Langford, Kyle Guy, Tyus Battle, Peyton Pritchard, Seventh Woods, Cassius Winston, Alterique Gilbert
Better hope they consider Alkins a SF too. Ponds having great performances at City of Palms and Torrey Pines helps his cause.
As a lifelong STJ fan, I hope he doesn't make it. Hype never helps us.
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Zach B tweeted;
Jordan Brand Classic announces 16 players for game. Six more to come later in year. Think Shamorie Ponds has a shot. #sjubb
Suspect he may have a shot with the game to be played in Brooklyn.
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Mickey D's game will be tough. Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Terrance Ferguson, Markell Fultz, Frank Jackson, Kobi Simmons, Lonzo Ball are probably the locks.
In the convo... Josh Langford, Kyle Guy, Tyus Battle, Peyton Pritchard, Seventh Woods, Cassius Winston, Alterique Gilbert
Better hope they consider Alkins a SF too. Ponds having great performances at City of Palms and Torrey Pines helps his cause.
As a lifelong STJ fan, I hope he doesn't make it. Hype never helps us.
Not always true. Artest had hype and those teams were fun. The worm has turned for SJU...
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Mickey D's game will be tough. Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Terrance Ferguson, Markell Fultz, Frank Jackson, Kobi Simmons, Lonzo Ball are probably the locks.
In the convo... Josh Langford, Kyle Guy, Tyus Battle, Peyton Pritchard, Seventh Woods, Cassius Winston, Alterique Gilbert
Better hope they consider Alkins a SF too. Ponds having great performances at City of Palms and Torrey Pines helps his cause.
As a lifelong STJ fan, I hope he doesn't make it. Hype never helps us.
Not always true. Artest had hype and those teams were fun. The worm has turned for SJU...
Don't believe Ron was ever arrested. Hey that was a quick correction, now my post doesn't work. :)
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😉
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Mickey D's game will be tough. Malik Monk, De'Aaron Fox, Terrance Ferguson, Markell Fultz, Frank Jackson, Kobi Simmons, Lonzo Ball are probably the locks.
In the convo... Josh Langford, Kyle Guy, Tyus Battle, Peyton Pritchard, Seventh Woods, Cassius Winston, Alterique Gilbert
Better hope they consider Alkins a SF too. Ponds having great performances at City of Palms and Torrey Pines helps his cause.
As a lifelong STJ fan, I hope he doesn't make it. Hype never helps us.
Not always true. Artest had hype and those teams were fun. The worm has turned for SJU...
Artest was the exception. Lopez, Zendon, Cook, Ingram. It hasn't helped. Their egos grow to ridiculous heights. Artest was the only one who was actually a legit NBA player.
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Cook played great for us. The guy won games by himself. The team he was on was not much better then this team and we were ok. Not bad.
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Cook played great for us. The guy won games by himself. The team he was on was not much better then this team and we were ok. Not bad.
They were 8-8 in a loaded BE. That team beats this team by 30. Cook was great, but it went to his head.
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Cook played great for us. The guy won games by himself. The team he was on was not much better then this team and we were ok. Not bad.
They were 8-8 in a loaded BE. That team beats this team by 30. Cook was great, but it went to his head.
The thing with Cook was Darius Miles was supposed to come with him. Obviously, Miles went straight to the NBA. Then, when he declared early, Marcus Hatten was coming in the following season. He could have had Miles freshman year, and he and Man Hatten in the back court sophomore year. Obviously never came to fruition.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UfFWMkTuKk
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Ponds moved up to #36 in the new ESPN rankings.
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Ponds moved up to #36 in the new ESPN rankings.
What was he before?
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Ponds moved up to #36 in the new ESPN rankings.
What was he before?
42 I believe
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A healthy distraction from the woes of the season;
http://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/big-fish/#oqtX7hqIpYQzk39v.97
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Neat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxhpOzDob34
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Big game Saturday night, Jefferson@CTK 730
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Ponds moved up to #36 in the new ESPN rankings.
This is actually right about where I've always felt he should be ranked. I don't see him climbing much further. To get a kid as good as him and to be able to put him in a situation with Lovett, Mussini, Ahmed and even Ellison where he doesn't HAVE to do more than he is ready for really gives me hope for this staff.
It's one thing to get top kids to come in when you have a glaring hole at a position, but to get a top 40 combo guard to come the year after a top 60 pg and another high-profile combo playing 30+ mpg as a frosh -- both projecting to be four year players -- that is elite program building. And this kid is recruiting a top 20 guard to come here?! You dot get much more confident than that.
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Big game Saturday night, Jefferson@CTK 730
Is the game 7pm or 730? I've seen both times...trying to make it but that extra half hour would seal it for me. And is it definitely at Christ the King?
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Big game Saturday night, Jefferson@CTK 730
Is the game 7pm or 730? I've seen both times...trying to make it but that extra half hour would seal it for me. And is it definitely at Christ the King?
Anybody??
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Been thinking about a comparison type player for Shamori, because he's really a combo-type but with excellent shooting and scoring ability. Probably the best that came to mind was Troy Bell of BC. True combo with shooting and scoring ability. Both very similar skill sets. We can all wish for him to be close to as good as Bell by they're similar type players imo.
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Been thinking about a comparison type player for Shamori, because he's really a combo-type but with excellent shooting and scoring ability. Probably the best that came to mind was Troy Bell of BC. True combo with shooting and scoring ability. Both very similar skill sets. We can all wish for him to be close to as good as Bell by they're similar type players imo.
Nick Van Exel
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Jefferson beats CtK by a point. Wild finish.
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Jefferson beats CtK by a point. Wild finish.
29 for Mr. Ponds
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I was able to go last night and glad I did, it was a great game nip and tuck the whole way and the gym was jam-packed. Jefferson beat CTK by 3 (68-65 I think) and I had Shamorie with 31 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist and 2 steals.
Jefferson was up 1 with 3 seconds to go with CTK inbounding at midcourt, Shamorie was guarding the inbounds (I think it was Alvarado) and made the play of the game when he tipped it to himself and stole it. Got fouled and sank both free throws with a second left to basically seal it.
I thought he looked very good, it didn't feel like an explosive 31 points, spread out and all basically within the flow of the game. He's a crafty scorer, his outside shot wasn't falling and he missed his first 3 free throws (but made his last 6 all clutch ones in the 4th quarter) so he did most of his damage on floaters and inside. He seems to have a good feel for the game too, sees the floor well and a good handle. He only had 1 assist but that easily could have been 5 or 6 if his teammates converted easy layups/dunks (sound familiar?).
He is probably around 6'2" and VERY skinny. Mussini might beat him in an arm wrestling match. I know people are trying to make comparisons here and last night I was thinking to myself I saw a little Jamal Crawford in him. I think we'll be very pleased with him for the next few years.
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New vids of our guy. First one displays more of his passing ability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSWyH7fZ2ts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tWN6dZogwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E6yS-PAduY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCkawNQUmF4
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Per Zach B
St John's signee Shamorie Ponds @ShamorieP has been invited to play in Jordan Brand All-American game, per his coach. #sjubb
National game
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Per Zach B
St John's signee Shamorie Ponds @ShamorieP has been invited to play in Jordan Brand All-American game, per his coach. #sjubb
National game
Very impressive, congrats to Shamorie.
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Nice honor for Shamorie.
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He never seems to finish in traffic the same way twice. That's a sign of real talent. And he finishes with both hands. He also has great ups. He's only 6'0 and he dunks with both hands in traffic. That's really hard to do. He'll have an adjustment period, but he's gonna be really good by Sophomore year.
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Shamorie is playing in the PSAL semis tomorrow night (Saturday) at Carnesecca at 7:30pm. I'm gonna head over after our game at MSG. Anyone else planning to attend?
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/dunn-ponds-sends-jefferson-to-psal-title-game-1.1782981
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Per Braziller;
St. John's signee Shamorie Ponds loses out on Mr. Basketball to upstate kid Kevin Huerter, a Maryland commit. #sjubb
No conspiracy theories please. :)
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Per Braziller;
St. John's signee Shamorie Ponds loses out on Mr. Basketball to upstate kid Kevin Huerter, a Maryland commit. #sjubb
No conspiracy theories please. :)
You think he starts from get go?
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Per Braziller;
St. John's signee Shamorie Ponds loses out on Mr. Basketball to upstate kid Kevin Huerter, a Maryland commit. #sjubb
No conspiracy theories please. :)
You think he starts from get go?
He'll get ample minutes, but who knows what transpires between now & then.
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Per Braziller;
St. John's signee Shamorie Ponds loses out on Mr. Basketball to upstate kid Kevin Huerter, a Maryland commit. #sjubb
No conspiracy theories please. :)
I've seen Heurter up close 5 or so times. Very, very good. 6'5 and a true pass first point guard. Don't think he's better than Ponds.
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Per Braziller;
St. John's signee Shamorie Ponds loses out on Mr. Basketball to upstate kid Kevin Huerter, a Maryland commit. #sjubb
No conspiracy theories please. :)
I've seen Heurter up close 5 or so times. Very, very good. 6'5 and a true pass first point guard. Don't think he's better than Ponds.
Was asked to evaluate his teammate, Hicks, recently.
I'll take Ponds over Heurter. FWIW, I really like the kid on Jefferson with Ponds....I think he's committed to St. Francis. They are getting a helluva player.
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Per Braziller;
St. John's signee Shamorie Ponds loses out on Mr. Basketball to upstate kid Kevin Huerter, a Maryland commit. #sjubb
No conspiracy theories please. :)
I've seen Heurter up close 5 or so times. Very, very good. 6'5 and a true pass first point guard. Don't think he's better than Ponds.
Was asked to evaluate his teammate, Hicks, recently.
I'll take Ponds over Heurter. FWIW, I really like the kid on Jefferson with Ponds....I think he's committed to St. Francis. They are getting a helluva player.
Could not agree more. He is a whirlwind out there, great size handle and passer and fast and athletic as hell. Can't shoot a lick but that's correctable, I think he's much better than St. Francis but great get for them.
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Any television or streaming of todays PSAL championship? Thanks!
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Matt A will be at Jefferson game today.
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Where's Slice ?
: )
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Slice is also there.
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Slice is also there.
Is he sitting with Matt ? :)
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Slice is also there.
Is he sitting with Matt ? :)
No, Larry Brown :)
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Slice is also there.
Is he sitting with Matt ? :)
Heard they were already exchanging blows.
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Slice is also there.
Is he sitting with Matt ? :)
Heard they were already exchanging blows.
Moose broke it up. :)
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Slice is also there.
Is he sitting with Matt ? :)
No, Larry Brown :)
So Slice is going to SMU?!?!?!?! ;)
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Where's Slice ?
: )
In Kentucky with Ponds to watch the SEC final.
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Joseph Staszewski – @CNG_Staszewski
@ShamorieP with 20 points and 10 rebounds with Mullin in the house. #sjubb
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Slice is also there.
Is he sitting with Matt ? :)
No, Larry Brown :)
So Slice is going to SMU?!?!?!?! ;)
Brown and Slice to UNLV
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Slice and Lavin to UNLV....
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@ShamorieP for three and @Jeffbballbklyn can feel it. The SJU commit has 28 points. #sjubb
Per Joe Stazc
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With Whitehead, Carrington and Alkins transferring there
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Shamorie Ponds Won MVP with 31 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists, and 6 steals in lopsided win
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Shamorie Ponds Won MVP with 31 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists, and 6 steals in lopsided win
A real stat sheet stuffer!
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Shamorie Ponds Won MVP with 31 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists, and 6 steals in lopsided win
Excited to see Ponds next year, no way Mussini gets more minutes than this kid.
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Eric BossiVerified account
@ebosshoops
Ponds reminds me an awful lot of Ryan Boatright at the same age. Quick, aggressive and looks to go get buckets off the dribble.
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Eric BossiVerified account
@ebosshoops
Ponds reminds me an awful lot of Ryan Boatright at the same age. Quick, aggressive and looks to go get buckets off the dribble.
That would be very nice
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http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031216aaa.html
March 12, 2016
NEW YORK – On Saturday afternoon, Shamorie Ponds delivered what the St. John’s faithful hope will be the first of many great performances at “The Mecca of Basketball.” The Red Storm signee exploded for 31 points, 12 rebounds, six steals and five assists, leading Thomas Jefferson High School to its first PSAL title since 1954, 90-61, over Brooklyn powerhouse Abraham Lincoln at Madison Square Garden.
The Brooklyn native shot 46 percent from the floor (10-22) and converted on all eight of his tries from the charity stripe in front of a raucous crowd at “The World’s Most Famous Arena,” which included Head Coach Chris Mullin, Associate Head Coach Barry Rohrssen and Assistant Coach Matt Abdelmassih.
“You can expect the same out of me, even better,” Ponds said with a smile at the postgame press conference when asked if St. John’s fans can look forward to seeing him put up similar efforts in red and white next season.
Ponds and the Orange Wave will continue their season next week, playing for the New York State Federation Championship at the Times Union Center in Albany.
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Were Mo, Matt, and Slice holding hands and singing Kumbaya (sic?)? :)
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Congrats to Ponds who really loves SJU already
Glad he didn't listen to Cooley about no blacks assistant coaches
Hopefully the three of them Matt Chris and Slice goes to the NJ champion ship tonight
why doesn't ST jean ever goes on recruiting trail he might be good at it
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Were Mo, Matt, and Slice holding hands and singing Kumbaya (sic?)? :)
Nope.
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Congrats to Ponds who really loves SJU already
Glad he didn't listen to Cooley about no blacks assistant coaches
Hopefully the three of them Matt Chris and Slice goes to the NJ champion ship tonight
why doesn't ST jean ever goes on recruiting trail he might be good at it
St. Jean stays behind in his office studying X and Os. Somebody has too and needs too. ;) :)
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Ponds looks like he will be an immediate contributor for us. Our backcourt will be a ton better already next season, and we will have depth there as well. I like the Boatright comparison, but Ponds is a little bit taller than Boatright, even if not quite the amazing athlete.
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why doesn't ST jean ever goes on recruiting trail he might be good at it
Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure only a certain amount of coaches can recruit. 2 assistants and the HC?
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Who were they there to see?
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why doesn't ST jean ever goes on recruiting trail he might be good at it
Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure only a certain amount of coaches can recruit. 2 assistants and the HC?
Nope. All coaches can recruit at same time. Rule changed a few years ago
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why doesn't ST jean ever goes on recruiting trail he might be good at it
Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure only a certain amount of coaches can recruit. 2 assistants and the HC?
Nope. All coaches can recruit at same time. Rule changed a few years ago
Well in that case, what the heck is that clown St. Jean's problem?
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Eric BossiVerified account
@ebosshoops
Ponds reminds me an awful lot of Ryan Boatright at the same age. Quick, aggressive and looks to go get buckets off the dribble.
Good comp. Ponds has some magic to his game...Hattenesque on both ends.
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10 ppg
3 rpg
4 apg
38 from 3
Boatright freshman year
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10 ppg
3 rpg
4 apg
38 from 3
Boatright freshman year
Would be fine for Ponds year one in most places, but suspect not on this site. :)
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Congratulations to Shamorie!
Hopefully our coaches rode together in the same car and Slice has a table at Rao's tonight for the three of them.
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Congratulations to Shamorie!
Hopefully our coaches rode together in the same car and Slice has a table at Rao's tonight for the three of them.
Hopefully Slice didn't hire the limo and it takes a detour on the ride back.
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10 ppg
3 rpg
4 apg
38 from 3
Boatright freshman year
Sign me up.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FTHzxQllz48
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Nice piece on Ponds & Jefferson winning title.
http://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2016/12/sp-jefferson-lincoln-2016-03-18-bd.html
Second one on Ponds, SJU
http://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2016/12/sp-ponds-sju-update-2016-03-18-bd.html
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The Wave rolls on. @Jeffbballbklyn beats LuHi 69-62 and will play for its first state title 9 p.m. tomorrow against Aquinas.
The Wave rolls on. @Jeffbballbklyn beats LuHi 69-62 and will play for its first state title 9 p.m. tomorrow against Aquinas.
@CNG-Staszewski
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A real baller! St john' is in for championships with him his shot is true!
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Wet shooter and dribbles well with both hands. Shamori, Lovett, Ahmed, Freudenberg, Owens etc... A huge injection of talent.
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Was just as impressed with him live as I was with his highlights. He finishes at the rim like a college senior, with both hands.
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This kid is the future of St. John's hoops. Let's temper expectations on the kid but him and the class coming in with him have that feel of something very good brewing in Johnnies land. I wish it was 2016-2017 season already.
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What I love about him the most was his love already for SJU
Went to almost all the home games tried recruiting Alkins to come.
Maybe he is not as good as Alkins but his love for SJU is that I hope he has a great career at SJU and a successful pro career
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http://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2016/13/sp-web-wave-luhi-federation-2016-03-19-bd.html
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Will there be a stream tonight for this game?
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Ponds and Jefferson up 61-55...Aquinas at the line with under five to go.
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Ponds and Dunn both with four fouls. 62-57 and Jefferson ball. 3 minutes left.
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Thomas Jefferson, your 2015-2016 New York State Federation (Tournament of Champions) Champs!
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Ponds had 16 and was named tournament MVP. He hit some dagger free throws in crunch time to seal it.
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Congratulations Shamorie Ponds and Thomas Jefferson HS.
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Ponds congrats cant wait to see you in a SJU uniform
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Jeff's almost blew it when Ponds went out with his 4th foul. He had an altercation that caused a double foul for his third and his coach should have sat him down to calm down. Instead on the next pay he got his 4th. He is excellent at driving to the hoop and has a nice teardrop shot but he needs to work on his shot range. Good thing is that he will be surrounded by a better cast of players at SJU and not be expected to carry the team. Don't expect the world of him in year one but let him develop..
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Another honor for Ponds;
http://ballislife.com/2016-ballislife-all-american-rosters-presented-by-eastbay/
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Jeff's almost blew it when Ponds went out with his 4th foul. He had an altercation that caused a double foul for his third and his coach should have sat him down to calm down. Instead on the next pay he got his 4th. He is excellent at driving to the hoop and has a nice teardrop shot but he needs to work on his shot range. Good thing is that he will be surrounded by a better cast of players at SJU and not be expected to carry the team. Don't expect the world of him in year one but let him develop..
This a question not a critique. Ponds and Harrison were rated around the same place. Why has almost anyone who has seen him saying we should temper expectations? Not saying ponds should and will be as good as Harrison . But I assume they should be close.
Almost all of Mullin's recruits are getting the same caution. Ahmed is first team all American, hardy and brownlee weren't . Is it reasonable to assume he will be an above average big east player?
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Jeff's almost blew it when Ponds went out with his 4th foul. He had an altercation that caused a double foul for his third and his coach should have sat him down to calm down. Instead on the next pay he got his 4th. He is excellent at driving to the hoop and has a nice teardrop shot but he needs to work on his shot range. Good thing is that he will be surrounded by a better cast of players at SJU and not be expected to carry the team. Don't expect the world of him in year one but let him develop..
This a question not a critique. Ponds and Harrison were rated around the same place. Why has almost anyone who has seen him saying we should temper expectations? Not saying ponds should and will be as good as Harrison . But I assume they should be close.
Almost all of Mullin's recruits are getting the same caution. Ahmed is first team all American, hardy and brownlee weren't . Is it reasonable to assume he will be an above average big east player?
Harrison had a BE body from day one
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We don't have to temper any expectations... We had one League win this season. Nowhere but up to go and now we will have several legit guards.
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Jeff's almost blew it when Ponds went out with his 4th foul. He had an altercation that caused a double foul for his third and his coach should have sat him down to calm down. Instead on the next pay he got his 4th. He is excellent at driving to the hoop and has a nice teardrop shot but he needs to work on his shot range. Good thing is that he will be surrounded by a better cast of players at SJU and not be expected to carry the team. Don't expect the world of him in year one but let him develop..
This a question not a critique. Ponds and Harrison were rated around the same place. Why has almost anyone who has seen him saying we should temper expectations? Not saying ponds should and will be as good as Harrison . But I assume they should be close.
Almost all of Mullin's recruits are getting the same caution. Ahmed is first team all American, hardy and brownlee weren't . Is it reasonable to assume he will be an above average big east player?
I said from the day he signed that Harrison would go down as an all-time favorite and even predicted he'd score 40 at some point. His skills were so sharp and he had total control.
I feel the same way about Ponds with a few key differences: (1) Ponds is an exponentially better athlete (2) Ponds has the tools to be a killer defender and (3) Ponds has a slighter build. Basically it boils down to Ponds having a higher ceiling but slightly lower floor. Ponds is a little more of a wild man...Hatten is the better comparison.
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Another positive on Shamorie based on a local Brooklyn Newspaper. he was named Brooklyn player of the year and he was also named to play in the Mayor;s trophy all star game. He gave his place in the game to a teammate who is still looking for a scholarship so that he could play in the game which brings in a lot of recruiters. Not only a very good player but unselfish--great teammate without the ego. Props to the young man!!!!!!!!
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Another positive on Shamorie based on a local Brooklyn Newspaper. he was named Brooklyn player of the year and he was also named to play in the Mayor;s trophy all star game. He gave his place in the game to a teammate who is still looking for a scholarship so that he could play in the game which brings in a lot of recruiters. Not only a very good player but unselfish--great teammate without the ego. Props to the young man!!!!!!!!
Great teammate and he has actively tried to recruit others to come to St. John's. Very happy to have this kid on the team next season.
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http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1660515-jordan-st-john-s-signee-shamorie-ponds
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http://nypost.com/2016/04/14/st-johns-new-star-is-creating-own-path-by-staying-home/
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Does anyone know what time and day the Jordan Brand game will be? Also, which game is he in? Is it the national game, or the regional game?
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I think the game is in 5 hours on espn2
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Does anyone know what time and day the Jordan Brand game will be? Also, which game is he in? Is it the national game, or the regional game?
National
ESPN2 at 8
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Expecting this kid to dominate and show the country how good he really is. I hope the other guards got their ankles taped well.
This is the first time I've felt confident one of our recruits would do more than just show he belongs in the game.
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agreed marillac. this kid is the bees knees. Looking forward to seeing him sub in
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Ponds on west team. That makes so much sense
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Ponds on west team. That makes so much sense
Well technically he is going east to college :)
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His best play so far was an impressive spinning drive after going coast to coast...it just missed but looked like it was tipped at/on rim. Missed a rushed trey off the bounce. Hit a layup. Had the crowd going crazy with some fancy dribbling. His teammates are not getting him wide open looks when he's set. Monk specifically. The other PG on his team looks VERY good.
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very few passes
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Impossible to judge anything here. Shamori seems to be relaxed and cruising. Not going after it too hard. He's silky smooth with the ball. Other guys are going 100mph to try to show off. None of the wings/forwards want to pass. It's an all star game.
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Impossible to judge anything here. Shamori seems to be relaxed and cruising. Not going after it too hard. He's silky smooth with the ball. Other guys are going 100mph to try to show off. None of the wings/forwards want to pass. It's an all star game.
Of course
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Plus two kids injured already.
No point risking the long term for a few all star points
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Plus two kids injured already.
No point risking the long term for a few all star points
Alterique Gilbert really looked like he messed his shoulder. Definitely not worth it, but was seemingly innocuous play. It happens though.
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Scary but I think Spellman will be as good or better than Ochefu very soon. Nova will continue to roll. They lose Archie but their interior game will be better with Spellman and the transfer from Fordham.
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Scary but I think Spellman will be as good or better than Ochefu very soon. Nova will continue to roll. They lose Archie but their interior game will be better with Spellman and the transfer from Fordham.
If Hart stays they will be a force for sure. Great program!
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Scary but I think Spellman will be as good or better than Ochefu very soon. Nova will continue to roll. They lose Archie but their interior game will be better with Spellman and the transfer from Fordham.
If Hart stays they will be a force for sure. Great program!
1) I think Hart will probably stay. Jenkins said today he's coming back and I think Hart could use another year, but could go either way.
2) Brunson isn't nearly the offensive player that Archie was, but like I said, I think the rest of the roster is bullet proof. Paschall will make a big difference as well. They could repeat as champs amazingly imo.
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Scary but I think Spellman will be as good or better than Ochefu very soon. Nova will continue to roll. They lose Archie but their interior game will be better with Spellman and the transfer from Fordham.
If Hart stays they will be a force for sure. Great program!
1) I think Hart will probably stay. Jenkins said today he's coming back and I think Hart could use another year, but could go either way.
2) Brunson isn't nearly the offensive player that Archie was, but like I said, I think the rest of the roster is bullet proof. Paschall will make a big difference as well. They could repeat as champs amazingly imo.
Agree
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Shamori picking it up. Kid is effortless going to the hoop. He's really just relaxed out there and not forcing anything but, moves with the ball amazingly. Instead of throwing up lazy threes, he can take any of these high level guys off the dribble.
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Shamori picking it up. Kid is effortless going to the hoop. He's really just relaxed out there and not forcing anything but, moves with the ball amazingly. Instead of throwing up lazy threes, he can take any of these high level guys off the dribble.
Yupp
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Thomas Duffy – @TJDhoops
Shamorie Ponds -- only NY player in the game -- starting to make some plays here. Little fella is up to 15 points (6-12 FG). Real shifty.
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We are most fortunate we didn't lose this kid to Providence. Was a close one.
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Ponds finishes with 17 points, two assists.
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Ponds finishes with 17 points, two assists.
Almost seemed liked Spellman was trying to keep it away from Ponds all game, but that could easily be my bias :) Spellman is some pickup for Nova. VERY skilled big.
Ponds got a lot of points on a hurry. Had a nice steal and layup on an inbounds after a made-basket. His only set three was beautiful. His two threes off the bounce were a little rushed and missed.
Fox is a nasty player and so is Ponds' teammate, PG #4. Very under control. I think Ponds is best off set shots, so to see him do his damage other ways is a good sign and shows how well-rounded he is.
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Per Slater;
Co-MVPs of @JordanClassic are UK Malik Monk (22) & De'Aaron Fox (23). Omari Spellman with 12pts/15. Markelle Fultz w/ 19. Jayson Tatum w/ 18
NBA future players in all probability
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Scary but I think Spellman will be as good or better than Ochefu very soon. Nova will continue to roll. They lose Archie but their interior game will be better with Spellman and the transfer from Fordham.
Very impressed with Spellman also. Once Jay Wright gets him in better shape, watch out
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Scary but I think Spellman will be as good or better than Ochefu very soon. Nova will continue to roll. They lose Archie but their interior game will be better with Spellman and the transfer from Fordham.
Very impressed with Spellman also. Once Jay Wright gets him in better shape, watch out
He will be in shape by season's start I bet. Other leagues will have to watch out for Nova again I guarantee. Sima needs to hit the weights and eat. Spellman is a very talented big guy. He will be killing it and soon.
Found it interesting that Shamori even had 17 points. Would never guess. He was really coasting and barely tried to score. Extremely smooth player. Guys like Monk were hogs and literally forcing every possession. Lots of guys like that in this game. Ponds wasn't one of them. Ponds will be a good one for us
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Hate even trying to watch this game with music playing throughout, announcers gabbing about everything but the game, no D and all french pastry. Can't tell anything about anyone and it's not even basketball. And a friend tried to convince me to go, what garbage. PS I know I sound like someone we know, ie. hint is arsenic. ;) :)
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Spellman had one rebound that was insane. Very strong dude
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Hate even trying to watch this game with music playing throughout, announcers gabbing about everything but the game, no D and all french pastry. Can't tell anything about anyone and it's not even basketball. And a friend tried to convince me to go, what garbage. PS I know I sound like someone we know, ie. hint is arsenic. ;) :)
Spot on. I am glad you said what I felt as I thought it was only me.
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Ponds finishes with 17 points, two assists.
Almost seemed liked Spellman was trying to keep it away from Ponds all game, but that could easily be my bias :) Spellman is some pickup for Nova. VERY skilled big.
Ponds got a lot of points on a hurry. Had a nice steal and layup on an inbounds after a made-basket. His only set three was beautiful. His two threes off the bounce were a little rushed and missed.
Fox is a nasty player and so is Ponds' teammate, PG #4. Very under control. I think Ponds is best off set shots, so to see him do his damage other ways is a good sign and shows how well-rounded he is.
#4, going to MSU I think, reminded me of a randy foye clone.
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Scary but I think Spellman will be as good or better than Ochefu very soon. Nova will continue to roll. They lose Archie but their interior game will be better with Spellman and the transfer from Fordham.
Very impressed with Spellman also. Once Jay Wright gets him in better shape, watch out
He will be in shape by season's start I bet. Other leagues will have to watch out for Nova again I guarantee. Sima needs to hit the weights and eat. Spellman is a very talented big guy. He will be killing it and soon.
Found it interesting that Shamori even had 17 points. Would never guess. He was really coasting and barely tried to score. Extremely smooth player. Guys like Monk were hogs and literally forcing every possession. Lots of guys like that in this game. Ponds wasn't one of them. Ponds will be a good one for us
It felt like Monk took a shot every time he touched the ball. Shamorie got his very quietly. He didn't get much of a chance to go one-on-one and he was the only guy giving the ball up in non alley-pop passes.
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Ponds finishes with 17 points, two assists.
Almost seemed liked Spellman was trying to keep it away from Ponds all game, but that could easily be my bias :) Spellman is some pickup for Nova. VERY skilled big.
Ponds got a lot of points on a hurry. Had a nice steal and layup on an inbounds after a made-basket. His only set three was beautiful. His two threes off the bounce were a little rushed and missed.
Fox is a nasty player and so is Ponds' teammate, PG #4. Very under control. I think Ponds is best off set shots, so to see him do his damage other ways is a good sign and shows how well-rounded he is.
#4, going to MSU I think, reminded me of a randy foye clone.
He'll be a good one. I'll have to remember that come tournament time in a few years.
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Spellman's like a Jared Sullinger clone. He'll be feasting on the BE for the next few years if he lasts that long in college.
Shamorie is the beginning of a new era in SJU hoops. If he keeps progressing he should have a really nice career here.
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Thank you Ponds for coming TO SJU when everybody wanted to leave the city you stayed and even attended most of there games
Have a great and bless career at SJU
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Thank you Ponds for coming TO SJU when everybody wanted to leave the city you stayed and even attended most of there games
Have a great and bless career at SJU
Would you like an address you can write him a letter make it more personal?
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Seems like every other kid is going to Duke Kentucky or State. When you can do that on top of being a top 10 program then you know you've made it.
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looks like Ponds is playing in Capital Classic All Star Game on 4/28 (same team as Rawle Alkins)
http://www.thecapitalclassic.com/#!2016-rosters/cerk
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Ponds finishes at #36 on ESPN's Top 100
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I loved the fact that he loves SJU showing the loyalty by going to most home games.
Hope he has a great and bless career at SJU
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He is exactly the kind of kid that we want in our program. He is the perfect recruit.
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Any T.V. for the game?
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Didn't ESPN have him ranked at 36 during the winter months also?
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yup didnt change. he was ranked 36 at least a couple months ago when i checked
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https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/725667610327715841
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Any TV or Streaming Options for this game? I recall it used to come on TV.
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https://georgetown.n.rivals.com/news/us-all-stars-practice
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Will be in Long Beach CA Saturday last SJU recruit I remember playing in Long Beach was Cook with Riverside. Going to miss this one my COPD
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If they played this game and it wasn't televised, why did they play it?
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If they played this game and it wasn't televised, why did they play it?
And no box score available maybe they didn't
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If they played this game and it wasn't televised, why did they play it?
And no box score available maybe they didn't
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If they played this game and it wasn't televised, why did they play it?
And no box score available maybe they didn't
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Weeebay!
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If they played this game and it wasn't televised, why did they play it?
And no box score available maybe they didn't
F'n idiots.
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Is Ponds hurt? Don't see him in this game. I am watching on my phone, so I maybe I am wrong?
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Is Ponds hurt? Don't see him in this game. I am watching on my phone, so I maybe wrong.
He was the tiny dot. :)
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Well for those wondering he is officially enrolled for Summer Session II which started today:
Shamorie Ponds @ShamorieP 24 hours ago
It's Official.. #SJUStudent!!
Where My SJU Followers? 🚨
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Almost seemed liked Spellman was trying to keep it away from Ponds all game, but that could easily be my bias :) Spellman is some pickup for Nova. VERY skilled big.
Ponds got a lot of points on a hurry. Had a nice steal and layup on an inbounds after a made-basket. His only set three was beautiful. His two threes off the bounce were a little rushed and missed.
Fox is a nasty player and so is Ponds' teammate, PG #4. Very under control. I think Ponds is best off set shots, so to see him do his damage other ways is a good sign and shows how well-rounded he is.
#4, going to MSU I think, reminded me of a randy foye clone.
He'll be a good one. I'll have to remember that come tournament time in a few years.
Cassius Winston.
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Cassius Winston.
Don't sprain your shoulder patting yourself on the back. Actually good call by you. Experience definitely beat youth today and CW is a tremendous college point guard. Hope he makes NBA and does well as he is smart, plays under control, is fundamentally sound and makes the right plays.