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Title: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - PITTSBURGH
Post by: kjd01067 on April 16, 2011, 08:39:11 AM
No idea if there is any interest on either end but he just got a release from NC State... 6'9-7'0 240lb Center

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/152/page/onthetrail/class/2011 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/152/page/onthetrail/class/2011)

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/player/news?id=103199&_slug_=joseph-uchebo&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2fplayer%2fnews%3fid%3d103199%26_slug_%3djoseph-uchebo (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/player/news?id=103199&_slug_=joseph-uchebo&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2fplayer%2fnews%3fid%3d103199%26_slug_%3djoseph-uchebo)

http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/a.z?s=178&p=8&c=1&nid=4665311 (http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/a.z?s=178&p=8&c=1&nid=4665311)

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-93682 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-93682)

PackInsider.com: Joseph Uchebo at the 2010 Carolina Challenge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pEWoM6QWgE#ws)

2011 NC State Commit Joseph Uchebo Owns the Paint at Gibbons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nal7_h934-I#ws)
Title: Re: Joseph Uchebo - C - Word of God Christian Academy - Raleigh, NC
Post by: kjd01067 on April 16, 2011, 08:43:33 AM
Definitely not the most skilled big man I have seen for sure but kid looks like he can mix it up and put a body on people.  Might be just what the doctor ordered

Joseph Uchebo vs. Brisbane (1/8/10) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opR0J2CUQ0w#ws)
Title: Re: Joseph Uchebo - C - Word of God Christian Academy - Raleigh, NC
Post by: mjdinkins on April 16, 2011, 11:10:59 AM
Here 'ya go, Moose!  I remember you mentioned Uchebo once Lowe was let go.  I hope the staff eventually make a move on him.

Here's a few synopsis of him per Rivals:

While he remains a work in progress on the offensive end, N.C. State signee Joseph Uchebo is in terrific shape and did outstanding work on the glass. The 6-foot-9 center pulled down a whopping 25 boards to go with his nine points during 30 minutes of action.

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1164454 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1164454)

Joseph Uchebo: Now a member of the 2011 class, and now being listed as a part of Word of God, Uchebo was at his best when it mattered the most. Going up against a talented frontline including Behanan and Davis, Uchebo finished with roughly 20 rebounds, and was a force on the offensive and defensive glass. While Uchebo didn't convert as often as he would have liked around the rim, his physical presence on the glass was definitely a driving force in getting his team the win.

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1095884 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1095884)

A North Carolina State pledge, Uchebo's skill as a scorer has been underrated and he's got a big body.

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1095289 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1095289)

Joseph Uchebo was doing the dirty work down low. Uchebo is a load on the block and did a solid job of defending 2012's number one prospect Andre Drummond. The newly minted 2011 prospect, Uchebo, scored with either hand and did a good job of controlling the defensive glass, and that allowed CP3 to get out run after he made outlet pass and after outlet pass.

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1089349 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1089349)


Title: Re: Joseph Uchebo - C - Word of God Christian Academy - Raleigh, NC
Post by: mkras99 on April 11, 2013, 12:18:45 PM
NextUpRecruits.com ‏@NextUpRecruits 16m
6'11 Soph Joe Uchebo Chipola C(FL) will take his 1st official visit Tom. to the University of Pitt! St Johns and Oklahoma also still in hunt
 Retweeted by Reggie Rankin
Title: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Redstormy80 on April 11, 2013, 12:23:45 PM
6'11 Soph Joe Uchebo Chipola C(FL) will take his 1st official visit Tom. to the University of Pitt! St Johns and Oklahoma also still in hunt
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo Chipola (FL)
Post by: NYCoffey on April 11, 2013, 12:58:17 PM
He was originally a 2011 according to ESPN and went to JUCO. Won't he be a 2013 recruit?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/103199/joseph-uchebo (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/103199/joseph-uchebo)
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo Chipola (FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 11, 2013, 01:05:46 PM
He was originally a 2011 according to ESPN and went to JUCO. Won't he be a 2013 recruit?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/103199/joseph-uchebo (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/103199/joseph-uchebo)

Yes, Pitt wants him to replace Adams.

http://www.cardiachill.com/2013/4/9/4195102/pitt-basketball-recruiting-Pittsburgh-Panthers-ACC-jamel-artis-steven-adams-nba-transfers (http://www.cardiachill.com/2013/4/9/4195102/pitt-basketball-recruiting-Pittsburgh-Panthers-ACC-jamel-artis-steven-adams-nba-transfers)
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo Chipola (FL)
Post by: NYCoffey on April 11, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
Here's an old video from 2011. he committed to NC state and ended up at Chipolte.  His 1st year there he averaged something like 12pts and 12 rebounds exact same amt of points and rebounds (so don't know how accurate it is) before he had an injury. I dont think he played in 2012 probably because of the injury. Looks like a big kid that would be great if Gift does go to Stanford.


2011 NC State Commit Joseph Uchebo Owns the Paint at Gibbons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nal7_h934-I#ws)

http://njcaa.org/colleges_college_player.cfm?category=stats&sid=4&divid=1&slid=2&collegeId=1356&teamid=122587&athleteid=354466&seasonselect=556 (http://njcaa.org/colleges_college_player.cfm?category=stats&sid=4&divid=1&slid=2&collegeId=1356&teamid=122587&athleteid=354466&seasonselect=556)
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Celtics11 on April 11, 2013, 03:09:51 PM
Liked that slip pass inside the best.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: MCNPA on April 11, 2013, 03:20:17 PM
Uchebo is a beast.  Big body and good player.  I think we got involved at one point before.  If we are recruiting him, I wonder whether we really are losing Gift. 
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on April 11, 2013, 03:24:17 PM
I'd love to have a big body like that on our team.
Title: Re: Joseph Uchebo - C - Word of God Christian Academy - Raleigh, NC
Post by: MCNPA on April 11, 2013, 03:39:33 PM
Uchebo would be a good fit for us at this point if we were to have an open ship.  Big, physical, good rebounder.  Not huge leaper but that's not what we need right now.  We need rebounding and some inside post ability ala Otule of Marquette.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: ras on April 11, 2013, 03:52:14 PM
I like Gift. But if I read that Uchebo is coming here and Gift going to Harvard,I cant say I would be disappointed. Plus he would really help in 2014 when we loose Sanchez and Sampson.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: desco80 on April 11, 2013, 04:39:20 PM
Yes, yes and yes.


Espn has him in the class of 2011, but says he "accelerated" his graduation a year.
So, I can't tell if he prepped and then went JUCO or left HS as a junior.   

But either way his scouting report looks solid.  Top 100 centers aren't easy to find.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: desco80 on April 11, 2013, 04:41:57 PM
Excerpt from ESPN recruiting ...


Strengths:
Uchebo is an active post player that is surprisingly skilled for his age; he loves contact and is a load in the low blocks. He is aggressive rebounding the ball on both ends of the floor. He knows how to post up; he gets big, has good hands and knows how to pass to cutters or find spot up shooters on the perimeter. He fights for position on the defensive end; with his size is difficult to score over and he has good timing when blocking shots.

Weaknesses:
At times he gets himself in trouble with his shot selection as he is still raw at making offensive moves with his back to the basket, but has a soft touch when he stays on balance and gets up a good shot. By accelerating his graduation into the 2011 class experience will be a big factor as he is also still learning the nuances of the game. He will have to adjust to the speed of the college game, but his instincts and upside should quicken his learning curve.
Bottom Line:
In a year where the number of true centers is extremely thin, Uchebo is a great get for NC State. He has a frame that can easily carry another 30-40 pounds and the upside to develop into one of the top centers in the ACC. Wolfpack fans will enjoy watching his development.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 11, 2013, 04:43:51 PM
Wonder if fellow Nigerians, Gift and CO, know Joe from Nigerian BBall or otherwise?
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Chilleb on April 11, 2013, 08:44:19 PM
So if this kid comes does Hooper pay his own way or gift to Harvard.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 11, 2013, 08:46:17 PM
So if this kid comes does Hooper pay his own way or gift to Harvard.

Maybe Gift or someone else leaves.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Chilleb on April 11, 2013, 08:54:59 PM
So if this kid comes does Hooper pay his own way or gift to Harvard.

Maybe Gift or someone else leaves.

Really don't want anyone else to leave, really hurt seeing Amir go , I though as an upper classmen he's find his niche
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 11, 2013, 08:55:52 PM
Agree, Amir is a great guy.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Marillac on April 11, 2013, 08:59:14 PM
So if this kid comes does Hooper pay his own way or gift to Harvard.

Maybe Gift or someone else leaves.

Really don't want anyone else to leave, really hurt seeing Amir go , I though as an upper classmen he's find his niche

I agree.  I seem to be his biggest fan, but it really was in his best interest to go.  I see a ton of three-guard sets now with this monster backcourt and Lavin obviously prefers Dom over him.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: desco80 on April 11, 2013, 09:15:52 PM
I liked Amir a lot too.   He wasn't our best player, but for whatever reason he was a guy it was very easy to root for.   

I don't dislike Jones or Gift either, but in my mind one of them is probably going to announce they're transferring soon.   And I know some other posters expect it as well.   It's not a bad thing.

If we sign this guy as a replacement Lavin will have truly put together (on paper at least) a very well rounded team for the next few years.   The scholarships will be balanced, we'll have depth at most positions.  And most importantly we'll be able to survive a loss here or there if anyone unexpectedly goes pro, gets hurt, or transfers.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Redstormy80 on April 11, 2013, 09:17:19 PM
Is their room for him here though as far as playing time? Sanchez & Obekpa would seem to have the center position locked up
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 11, 2013, 09:18:17 PM
I liked Amir a lot too.   He wasn't our best player, but for whatever reason he was a guy it was very easy to root for.   

I don't dislike Jones or Gift either, but in my mind one of them is probably going to announce they're transferring soon.   And I know some other posters expect it as well.   It's not a bad thing.

If we sign this guy as a replacement Lavin will have truly put together (on paper at least) a very well rounded team for the next few years.   The scholarships will be balanced, we'll have depth at most positions.  And most importantly we'll be able to survive a loss here or there if anyone unexpectedly goes pro, gets hurt, or transfers.


Agree
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: mkras99 on April 11, 2013, 09:23:34 PM
Other than a tweet by some "recruiting guru" do we know for a fact we're recruiting this guy?
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Poison on April 11, 2013, 09:27:19 PM
Is their room for him here though as far as playing time? Sanchez & Obekpa would seem to have the center position locked up

There would be room if Gift didn't return.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 11, 2013, 09:27:54 PM
Other than a tweet by some "recruiting guru" do we know for a fact we're recruiting this guy?

No
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Moose on April 11, 2013, 09:39:52 PM
Other than a tweet by some "recruiting guru" do we know for a fact we're recruiting this guy?

Why don't you believe him?
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: mkras99 on April 11, 2013, 09:43:03 PM
Other than a tweet by some "recruiting guru" do we know for a fact we're recruiting this guy?

Why don't you believe him?

Just looking for corroboration.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Save The Hero on April 11, 2013, 09:45:30 PM
I liked Amir a lot too.   He wasn't our best player, but for whatever reason he was a guy it was very easy to root for.   

I don't dislike Jones or Gift either, but in my mind one of them is probably going to announce they're transferring soon.   And I know some other posters expect it as well.   It's not a bad thing.

If we sign this guy as a replacement Lavin will have truly put together (on paper at least) a very well rounded team for the next few years.   The scholarships will be balanced, we'll have depth at most positions.  And most importantly we'll be able to survive a loss here or there if anyone unexpectedly goes pro, gets hurt, or transfers.

Amir worked hard and gave his all to the team. He supported the team through thick and thin (and there was a lot of thin in his time here). Im wishing Amir the utmost.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: desco80 on April 11, 2013, 09:46:56 PM
The recruiting guy could be full of bs, or this kid could just be name-dropping schools.
But even if it's not Uchebo, it makes sense that the staff is looking at JUCO big men.

Just look at our situation; Sanchez and Gift (if he's here) are both gone after this season.   Probably a better than 50/50 chance that Sampson is as well.    That leaves Obekpa and Jones(if here) as the only center and power forward on the team.   
So one way or another we need some front court players after next season. 
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: prjohnnies on April 11, 2013, 09:47:29 PM
With all due respect to Amir (and I love him), it wasn't merely Lavin preferring Dom as to why one played more than the other (if that was the implication, not saying it was).  Even the biggest Amir lover would acknowledge that Dom was, by a far, a superior player this year, and that the progression as between the two players between their freshman and sophomore year is not even close.  Perhaps it is because Amir was playing baseball this summer (where his prof'l future lies, IMO), or because Dom simply started to grow into the player that was ranked much higher coming into their freshman years.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: desco80 on April 11, 2013, 09:50:00 PM
I liked Amir a lot too.   He wasn't our best player, but for whatever reason he was a guy it was very easy to root for.   

I don't dislike Jones or Gift either, but in my mind one of them is probably going to announce they're transferring soon.   And I know some other posters expect it as well.   It's not a bad thing.

If we sign this guy as a replacement Lavin will have truly put together (on paper at least) a very well rounded team for the next few years.   The scholarships will be balanced, we'll have depth at most positions.  And most importantly we'll be able to survive a loss here or there if anyone unexpectedly goes pro, gets hurt, or transfers.

Amir worked hard and gave his all to the team. He supported the team through thick and thin (and there was a lot of thin in his time here). Im wishing Amir the utmost.

Completely agree.  So am I.   It gets overlooked that we gave Amir some pretty shitty assignments at times; he was asked to guard Jack Cooley, Melvin, and other teams' bigs because we really didn't have anyone else who could.
And he gave us pretty good defensive efforts, even though he was over-matched and outsized.   
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: TONYD3 on April 11, 2013, 09:50:09 PM
I like Garret, but he is a wing player who can't dribble or shoot
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Save The Hero on April 11, 2013, 09:50:32 PM
With all due respect to Amir (and I love him), it wasn't merely Lavin preferring Dom as to why one played more than the other (if that was the implication, not saying it was).  Even the biggest Amir lover would acknowledge that Dom was, by a far, a superior player this year, and that the progression as between the two players between their freshman and sophomore year is not even close.  Perhaps it is because Amir was playing baseball this summer (where his prof'l future lies, IMO), or because Dom simply started to grow into the player that was ranked much higher coming into their freshman years.

100% agree. He really should go baseball route though. tailing mid 90s fastball and being a lefty = big money and lots of chances in baseball.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: prjohnnies on April 11, 2013, 09:52:47 PM
Keith Law, who some may know as ESPN's resident scouting/minor league/draft guru, said in his chat last week that he projects Amir as a valuable lefty reliever in the big leagues, at worst.  And those guys stay around FOREVER (Darren Oliver anyone?), and make themselves a great living doing so.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Marillac on April 11, 2013, 11:10:12 PM
Other than a tweet by some "recruiting guru" do we know for a fact we're recruiting this guy?

And if we are even involved, then to what extent? 

If we are involved, I dont think this has to with GG leaving.  This kid's availability for the 2013-2014 season has been known since before Lavin decided to redshirt GG. 

I would be disappointed if we lost a fifth-year senior like GG.  He knows the system, he's logged major minutes playing with the roster, and he runs the court exceptionally well. 
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 12, 2013, 07:17:32 AM
Heard from Brad Winton, JUCO recruiting guru,that to his knowledge, SJU not recruiting Uchebo.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: newsman13 on April 12, 2013, 08:32:00 AM
Other than a tweet by some "recruiting guru" do we know for a fact we're recruiting this guy?

And if we are even involved, then to what extent? 

If we are involved, I dont think this has to with GG leaving.  This kid's availability for the 2013-2014 season has been known since before Lavin decided to redshirt GG. 

I would be disappointed if we lost a fifth-year senior like GG.  He knows the system, he's logged major minutes playing with the roster, and he runs the court exceptionally well. 
i agree.  i'm looking for god's gift to have a breakout year.  no transfers, please!!
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: mkras99 on April 12, 2013, 10:08:34 AM
Brad Winton ‏@JucoRecruiting 1m
Joseph Uchebo (6-11/C/2013) of Chipola is visiting Pitt this weekend. Kansas St. & Oklahoma St. have inquired, but no offer/visit yet
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: desco80 on April 12, 2013, 10:30:34 AM
Other than a tweet by some "recruiting guru" do we know for a fact we're recruiting this guy?

And if we are even involved, then to what extent? 

If we are involved, I dont think this has to with GG leaving.  This kid's availability for the 2013-2014 season has been known since before Lavin decided to redshirt GG. 

I would be disappointed if we lost a fifth-year senior like GG.  He knows the system, he's logged major minutes playing with the roster, and he runs the court exceptionally well. 
i agree.  i'm looking for god's gift to have a breakout year.  no transfers, please!!

Are you looking in Cambridge, MA ? 
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Marillac on April 12, 2013, 12:45:12 PM
Other than a tweet by some "recruiting guru" do we know for a fact we're recruiting this guy?

And if we are even involved, then to what extent? 

If we are involved, I dont think this has to with GG leaving.  This kid's availability for the 2013-2014 season has been known since before Lavin decided to redshirt GG. 

I would be disappointed if we lost a fifth-year senior like GG.  He knows the system, he's logged major minutes playing with the roster, and he runs the court exceptionally well. 
i agree.  i'm looking for god's gift to have a breakout year.  no transfers, please!!

I didnt' say break out!  I would love 10-12 solid minutes out of him. 
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: sju89tr on April 12, 2013, 01:26:07 PM
Heard from Brad Winton, JUCO recruiting guru,that to his knowledge, SJU not recruiting Uchebo.

We weren't interested the first time around in the 2011 class when he failed to qualify, I don't think the staff's perception of him will change
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: newsman13 on April 13, 2013, 09:15:57 AM
Other than a tweet by some "recruiting guru" do we know for a fact we're recruiting this guy?

And if we are even involved, then to what extent? 

If we are involved, I dont think this has to with GG leaving.  This kid's availability for the 2013-2014 season has been known since before Lavin decided to redshirt GG. 

I would be disappointed if we lost a fifth-year senior like GG.  He knows the system, he's logged major minutes playing with the roster, and he runs the court exceptionally well. 
i agree.  i'm looking for god's gift to have a breakout year.  no transfers, please!!

I didnt' say break out!  I would love 10-12 solid minutes out of him. 
god's gift is a big...built like a greek god...great potential skill sets...highly intelligent...getting an extra year of coaching by professionals...motivated. 

why wouldn't he have a breakout year?
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: MCNPA on April 13, 2013, 09:23:41 AM
I really like Gift.  Thesis a kid who had 18/10 against an excellent UK team.  He was thhe only one working out there at times.  He was also a very good offensive rebounder.  I hope he sticks around this year.  We absolutely can use him in the post this season.  Uchebo looks like a good alternative IF we were to lose a gift, but I'd rather keep Gift at this point.  I think some are selling him short.  He had things to work on, but was very solid as a first year Juco and has nice physical tools.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: crgreen on April 13, 2013, 12:48:28 PM
I really like Gift.  Thesis a kid who had 18/10 against an excellent UK team.  He was thhe only one working out there at times.  He was also a very good offensive rebounder.  I hope he sticks around this year.  We absolutely can use him in the post this season.  Uchebo looks like a good alternative IF we were to lose a gift, but I'd rather keep Gift at this point.  I think some are selling him short.  He had things to work on, but was very solid as a first year Juco and has nice physical tools.

I really don't get the negativity torwards Gift.  Correct that - "negativity" isn't the right word....maybe "apathy"?

Bigs capable of averaging 10 pts and 6 rebs a game in the Big East, no matter what the circumstances, simply don't grow on trees.   Nor do bigs who can hang 18/10 on Kentucky, 20/7 on Marquette,  rip Pitt for 12 boards.   You'd be staggered to find out how FEW D-1 bigs actually can  score 15 or more 9 times in a season or pull down 8 or more boards 10 times in a season, as Gift did in his first year of D-1 play.   And his 53% FG % would have EASILY led ST Johns this past season - just as it easily did in 2012.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: rdstr25 on April 13, 2013, 01:03:32 PM
One of our biggest deficiencies over the past two years has been our youth and lack of an overall experienced roster. Gift not only brings depth off the bench experience and overall great kid. He is a banger down low and he won't be called on as much to score on his own like he had to his first yr.  he played a ton of minutes in his first yr at a position where he really was the only big.  With 2 yrs under his belt and more overall talent around him, his numbers might be less but could prove more valuable in how he gets them next yr.  lavin has always said he wanted to make the big jump in yr 3 and to bring in a new kid who has not played at this level yet to do something we already have for this coming yr goes against his strategy.

We always want the best talent to give us the best opp to win but sometimes experience goes a long way for a program, especially in this situation.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Poison on April 13, 2013, 01:03:40 PM
I really like Gift.  Thesis a kid who had 18/10 against an excellent UK team.  He was thhe only one working out there at times.  He was also a very good offensive rebounder.  I hope he sticks around this year.  We absolutely can use him in the post this season.  Uchebo looks like a good alternative IF we were to lose a gift, but I'd rather keep Gift at this point.  I think some are selling him short.  He had things to work on, but was very solid as a first year Juco and has nice physical tools.

I really don't get the negativity torwards Gift.  Correct that - "negativity" isn't the right word....maybe "apathy"?

Bigs capable of averaging 10 pts and 6 rebs a game in the Big East, no matter what the circumstances, simply don't grow on trees.   Nor do bigs who can hang 18/10 on Kentucky, 20/7 on Marquette,  rip Pitt for 12 boards.   You'd be staggered to find out how FEW D-1 bigs actually can  score 15 or more 9 times in a season or pull down 8 or more boards 10 times in a season, as Gift did in his first year of D-1 play.   And his 53% FG % would have EASILY led ST Johns this past season - just as it easily did in 2012.

It's very shortsighted for anyone to want him to move on. He's been w the program for 2 years now, and he's had plenty of time to work on his weaknesses. IMO his reaction time is his greatest weakness. He can improve, and I fully expect him to be better in 13-14.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: ras on April 13, 2013, 01:10:14 PM
Like I said I like Gift, But would rather have Uchebo for the simple fact that I would feel more comfortable having another quality big for 14 . We are probably going to loose Sampson and definately will loose Gift and Sanchez after 13 that is a position we will need to reload. And  6 11 centers are hard to come by. Furthermore, Gift hasnt demonstrated he is more than a bench player. IMO Uchebo has more upside. I dont think that is a knock on Gift. I would have loved to see him play this year and have another scholi to use for reloading. That said, I would be happy if he stays.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: crgreen on April 13, 2013, 01:14:32 PM
Like I said I like Gift, But would rather have Uchebo for the simle fact that I would feel more comfortable having another quality big for 14 . We are probably going to loose Samoson and definately will loose Gift and Sanchez after 13 that is a position we will need to reload. And  6 11 centers are hard to come by. Furthermore, Gift hasnt demonstrated he is more than a bench player. IMO Uchebo has more upside.

It does get confusing,  but 2013 is over.  The coming season is 2014.  So you're talking about the 2015 season.  And on that basis, yes - we definately need bigs for THAT season.  But I'm assuming Coach Lavin has some far better than Uchebo already targeted, given the year and a half lead time.  :)
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Marillac on April 13, 2013, 01:15:25 PM
Other than a tweet by some "recruiting guru" do we know for a fact we're recruiting this guy?

And if we are even involved, then to what extent? 

If we are involved, I dont think this has to with GG leaving.  This kid's availability for the 2013-2014 season has been known since before Lavin decided to redshirt GG. 

I would be disappointed if we lost a fifth-year senior like GG.  He knows the system, he's logged major minutes playing with the roster, and he runs the court exceptionally well. 
i agree.  i'm looking for god's gift to have a breakout year.  no transfers, please!!

I didnt' say break out!  I would love 10-12 solid minutes out of him. 
god's gift is a big...built like a greek god...great potential skill sets...highly intelligent...getting an extra year of coaching by professionals...motivated. 

why wouldn't he have a breakout year?

He has, at best, average hands, and he doesn't have a ton of skill.  There are some holes in his game that I don't think a player like Sanchez has.  Of course, an extra year in college can go a long way, but you can only get so much better. 

He's a big body, he can play the five for us, he can provide some offense in the post, and he runs the court exceptionally well.  Best of all, he knows this sytem inside and out.  10-12 minutes and more when he's on...would be awesome. 
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Poison on April 13, 2013, 01:15:55 PM
Like I said I like Gift, But would rather have Uchebo for the simple fact that I would feel more comfortable having another quality big for 14 . We are probably going to loose Sampson and definately will loose Gift and Sanchez after 13 that is a position we will need to reload. And  6 11 centers are hard to come by. Furthermore, Gift hasnt demonstrated he is more than a bench player. IMO Uchebo has more upside. I dont think that is a knock on Gift. I would have loved to see him play this year and have another scholi to use for reloading. That said, I would be happy if he stays.

After one season Pointer didn't demonstrate that he was more than a bench player. He improved.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: simplyred on April 13, 2013, 03:15:04 PM
I really like Gift.  Thesis a kid who had 18/10 against an excellent UK team.  He was thhe only one working out there at times.  He was also a very good offensive rebounder.  I hope he sticks around this year.  We absolutely can use him in the post this season.  Uchebo looks like a good alternative IF we were to lose a gift, but I'd rather keep Gift at this point.  I think some are selling him short.  He had things to work on, but was very solid as a first year Juco and has nice physical tools.

I really don't get the negativity torwards Gift.  Correct that - "negativity" isn't the right word....maybe "apathy"?

Bigs capable of averaging 10 pts and 6 rebs a game in the Big East, no matter what the circumstances, simply don't grow on trees.   Nor do bigs who can hang 18/10 on Kentucky, 20/7 on Marquette,  rip Pitt for 12 boards.   You'd be staggered to find out how FEW D-1 bigs actually can  score 15 or more 9 times in a season or pull down 8 or more boards 10 times in a season, as Gift did in his first year of D-1 play.   And his 53% FG % would have EASILY led ST Johns this past season - just as it easily did in 2012.

Cr, you're ignoring the 6 or 7 times he bobbled the entry pass and those rebounds that he should have gotten but failed to.  He easily should have averaged 14 and 8---then he would have had half the detractors that he does. 

WE ARE...ST. JOHN'S!  We hate our own.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: jayro on April 13, 2013, 03:50:16 PM
I like Gift and thought he did well given he averaged points and rebounds that would have made a difference this past year and he would have been a physical presence we lacked.  Did he have weaknesses-don't ALL the players on the team have some.
He brings maturity, and I applaud his dedication to the academic side of school.  To me his is a feel good story for SJU, and I think Sanchez is also a feel good story-good player-excellent student-did what he had to do and kept his priorities in line. I will be disappointed if Gift does not play this coming season, and I think the team will be better with him for several reasons.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 14, 2013, 03:03:02 PM
Likely destination. He would join former teammate there;
“@JucoRecruiting: Pitt officially offered Joseph Uchebo (6-11/C/2013) of Chipola College while he was on his visit this weekend”
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: crgreen on April 14, 2013, 06:59:44 PM
Likely destination. He would join former teammate there;
“@JucoRecruiting: Pitt officially offered Joseph Uchebo (6-11/C/2013) of Chipola College while he was on his visit this weekend”

Jamie scrambling to replace Adams?  Right now returning Sr. Talib Zana and incoming frosh Mike young are the only players over 6'7 on next years roster.  Talib at 6 rebs is the only returnee over 4 per game.  And Talib & Young play the same position.   It really looks like the Pitt staff was taken by surprise at Adams decision to leave early.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: MCNPA on April 14, 2013, 07:12:49 PM
Likely destination. He would join former teammate there;
“@JucoRecruiting: Pitt officially offered Joseph Uchebo (6-11/C/2013) of Chipola College while he was on his visit this weekend”

Jamie scrambling to replace Adams?  Right now returning Sr. Talib Zana and incoming frosh Mike young are the only players over 6'7 on next years roster.  Talib at 6 rebs is the only returnee over 4 per game.  And Talib & Young play the same position.   It really looks like the Pitt staff was taken by surprise at Adams decision to leave early.

Very odd they'd be surprised.  The kid is a tremendous specimen at his size.  He's top 10 draftable easily with his physical size, athleticism and potential.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: crgreen on April 14, 2013, 07:30:08 PM
Likely destination. He would join former teammate there;
“@JucoRecruiting: Pitt officially offered Joseph Uchebo (6-11/C/2013) of Chipola College while he was on his visit this weekend”

Jamie scrambling to replace Adams?  Right now returning Sr. Talib Zana and incoming frosh Mike young are the only players over 6'7 on next years roster.  Talib at 6 rebs is the only returnee over 4 per game.  And Talib & Young play the same position.   It really looks like the Pitt staff was taken by surprise at Adams decision to leave early.

Very odd they'd be surprised.  The kid is a tremendous specimen at his size.  He's top 10 draftable easily with his physical size, athleticism and potential.

Maybe it's Jamie's mentorship from Howland.  Ben was equally shocked by the "should have been predictable" decision of Jrue Holiday to leave after one season. It set the Bruins back 2 full years.  Like Jamie's doing now, Howland had to reach out to a JC kid (Lazeric Jones) to man the position as starting PG for 2 years.   Because he thought he had Holiday back for 2010, UCLA failed to heavily recruit local (well, west coast) PGs  Elijah Johnson, Abdul Gaddy and Peyton Siva in the 2009 recruiting class.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: sjulaw1991 on April 16, 2013, 09:46:40 AM
Reggie Rankin, ESPN, reporting he is considering Pitt, SJU and Oklahoma. 
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 16, 2013, 09:57:50 AM
Reggie Rankin, ESPN, reporting he is considering Pitt, SJU and Oklahoma. 

Imo, because of his relationship with Josh Newkirk, Pitt recruit, he chooses Panthers.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: desco80 on April 16, 2013, 12:21:47 PM
So are we recruiting this kid or not?   Rankin's comments seem to indicate we are, and that it wasn't just smoke.

But I gotta believe that all else being equal, Pitt would have an advantage (besides the relationship) Pitt seems to have a lot more playing time available.

Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Moose on April 16, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
So are we recruiting this kid or not?   Rankin's comments seem to indicate we are, and that it wasn't just smoke.

But I gotta believe that all else being equal, Pitt would have an advantage (besides the relationship) Pitt seems to have a lot more playing time available.



I think Rankin is very good at what he does.  So I will side with Yes.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 16, 2013, 12:29:49 PM
So are we recruiting this kid or not?   Rankin's comments seem to indicate we are, and that it wasn't just smoke.

But I gotta believe that all else being equal, Pitt would have an advantage (besides the relationship) Pitt seems to have a lot more playing time available.



I think Rankin is very good at what he does.  So I will side with Yes.

Just to be clear Rankin retweeted the following. Unless I missed it, I have not seen info directly from him.


“@NextUpRecruits: 6'11 Soph Joe Uchebo Chipola C(FL) will take his 1st official visit Tom. to the University of Pitt! St Johns and Oklahoma also still in hunt”
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: ras on April 16, 2013, 01:09:45 PM
Where does the scholi come from?
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Marillac on April 16, 2013, 01:32:00 PM
So are we recruiting this kid or not?   Rankin's comments seem to indicate we are, and that it wasn't just smoke.

But I gotta believe that all else being equal, Pitt would have an advantage (besides the relationship) Pitt seems to have a lot more playing time available.



I think Rankin is very good at what he does.  So I will side with Yes.

Agree.  Rankin is top notch.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: DoodyNY33 on April 20, 2013, 08:38:55 PM
Where does the scholi come from?

If they are really recruiting him, then they must know somebody is transferring for sure
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Poison on April 20, 2013, 08:46:15 PM
Where does the scholi come from?

The only one that makes sense is Marco. For all we know he's content not playing in games next season, getting his degree and going back to France with a degree from a top 150 academic institution.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Moose on April 20, 2013, 09:06:05 PM
Where does the scholi come from?

The only one that makes sense is Marco. For all we know he's content not playing in games next season, getting his degree and going back to France with a degree from a top 150 academic institution.

He's looking forward to playing in Europe FOR us this summer.
It won't be him.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: LJSA on April 20, 2013, 09:16:47 PM
Where does the scholi come from?

The only one that makes sense is Marco. For all we know he's content not playing in games next season, getting his degree and going back to France with a degree from a top 150 academic institution.

I still think where there was Harvard smoke, there was fire. I'm not sure GGA comes back until we make it to June without news of a transfer.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: yankcranker on April 21, 2013, 12:45:57 AM
Where does the scholi come from?

The only one that makes sense is Marco. For all we know he's content not playing in games next season, getting his degree and going back to France with a degree from a top 150 academic institution.

I still think where there was Harvard smoke, there was fire. I'm not sure GGA comes back until we make it to June without news of a transfer.

That's fine if you can find smoke beyond ridiculous conjecture on one of the boards.  Just like the ACC thread presently active, just because some yahoo posts it on JJ or RM doesn't make it smoke.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: LJSA on April 21, 2013, 01:20:49 AM
I don't even remember who first posted it, but I'm not sure I thought the poster was a yahoo at the time.

As of this morning, I thought there were three candidates for transfer -- and Moose just eliminated Marco. I think it comes down to Jones and GGA. And if it were Jones and he's replaced by Uchebo, if I were GGA I'd probably think about transferring anyway since Uchebo would cut into my minutes.

I have no clue if GGA has been taking grad classes already at St. John's. But if he's not and can get into a better school for grad school and get some more minutes on the court, I'm not going to be shocked if he pulls the trigger.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: simplyred on April 21, 2013, 09:47:34 AM
I'm the Yahoo! I just reported what I heard---with the caveat that I didn't really believe it.  My source has since told me that his source (whom he deems reliable) has confirmed that it is a done deal.  I still don't know that it is true.  While I know who the second source is, I don't know where he gets his info from or whether it is reliable.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: mjmaherjr on April 21, 2013, 10:08:41 AM
I'm the Yahoo! I just reported what I heard---with the caveat that I didn't really believe it.  My source has since told me that his source (whom he deems reliable) has confirmed that it is a done deal.  I still don't know that it is true.  While I know who the second source is, I don't know where he gets his info from or whether it is reliable.
I had to read this 10 times and I'm still not sure whose source is who. lol

Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: simplyred on April 21, 2013, 10:22:08 AM
A friend of mine told me that a friend of his told him.  Where that person got the information from, I don't know. 
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: MCNPA on April 21, 2013, 10:43:33 AM
A friend of mine told me that a friend of his told him.  Where that person got the information from, I don't know.

Just to clarify, rumor is Uchebo is a done deal to come here or that Gift will transfer?
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 21, 2013, 11:38:14 AM
Pitt will get him IMO.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Gumby on April 21, 2013, 01:24:03 PM
Pitt will get him IMO.
You are spoiling Red's (or is it Yahoo Man) posts by being so direct. 
I do not think I have been so confused as reading Red's (Yahoo Man) two posts.  Red, I did confirm your post by talking to my gardener's cousin's deli man's godson, who got his information from his aunt's hairstyler's boy friend's cleaner's newspaper delivery person.  So you are right on!

By the way Paultzman, who is Pitt getting Joe, Red (aka Yahoo Man), or one of Red's contacts?
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Moose on April 21, 2013, 01:51:43 PM
A friend of mine told me that a friend of his told him.  Where that person got the information from, I don't know.

Just to clarify, rumor is Uchebo is a done deal to come here or that Gift will transfer?

He's saying Gift will transfer.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Poison on April 21, 2013, 02:22:52 PM
A friend of mine told me that a friend of his told him.  Where that person got the information from, I don't know.

Just to clarify, rumor is Uchebo is a done deal to come here or that Gift will transfer?

He's saying Gift will transfer.

I really hope this isn't the case. We have a big man who's bee. In the program for 2 years now. He's had ample time to work on his weaknesses. Guys get better. 9 points and 5.6 rebounds isn't bad. He can really help this team.

He certainly help everyone study.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Gray Chudney on April 21, 2013, 02:30:46 PM
If its gift or jones, I'd much rather jones stick around.  Gift is looking at 10 mpg or less and is gone after this year.  I'd sign up for jones and uchebo right now
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Poison on April 21, 2013, 02:37:26 PM
If its gift or jones, I'd much rather jones stick around.  Gift is looking at 10 mpg or less and is gone after this year.  I'd sign up for jones and uchebo right now

Jones isn't going anywhere. He isn't even mentioned as a kid who would leave. I think he has a ton of potential. He's a freshman, and he played about as much as a freshman should play.

I've read posters talking about Jones and Balamou transferring. Our program needs to take more responsibility for who it recruits. Norm pulled that crap. But he was a disease. Those days are over now.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: ras on April 21, 2013, 03:25:47 PM
We could use Jones as a jr. w Sanchez and Sampson leaving.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Poison on April 21, 2013, 03:46:09 PM
We could use Jones as a jr. w Sanchez and Sampson leaving.

Sampson is very talented, but he has a long way to go to be NBA ready. He may not be ready after 2013-2014. God forbid he actually stays in college.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Celtics11 on April 21, 2013, 04:25:06 PM
We could use Jones as a jr. w Sanchez and Sampson leaving.

Sampson is very talented, but he has a long way to go to be NBA ready. He may not be ready after 2013-2014. God forbid he actually stays in college.
Agree. But, kids today.  :)
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Choz4Life on April 22, 2013, 11:42:12 AM
We could use Jones as a jr. w Sanchez and Sampson leaving.

ras bringin the wisdom.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: bigmaxnosauce on April 22, 2013, 02:35:37 PM
Sampson is not leaving unless he gets a shot.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Marillac on April 22, 2013, 02:51:29 PM
If its gift or jones, I'd much rather jones stick around.  Gift is looking at 10 mpg or less and is gone after this year.  I'd sign up for jones and uchebo right now
He's a freshman, and he played about as much as a freshman should play. 

How could you say that when Sampson and Obekpa were exponentially better?  Christian Jones played a 5th year prep before STJ...GG only played two years of low JUCO ball himself but averaged 9 points and around six boards a game, and Gift looked much better.

Uchebo coming here would make Jones' already small role even smaller.  Sampson is far from a lock for leaving next season.  As athletic as he is, he hasn't shown that he can play on the perimeter offensively or defensively.  Add in the absurd recruiting class that will be draft elgible next year (9 projected first round picks), and it doesn't look very promising for Mr. Sampson. 
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: desco80 on April 22, 2013, 03:06:34 PM
If its gift or jones, I'd much rather jones stick around.  Gift is looking at 10 mpg or less and is gone after this year.  I'd sign up for jones and uchebo right now
He's a freshman, and he played about as much as a freshman should play. 

How could you say that when Sampson and Obekpa were exponentially better?  Christian Jones played a 5th year prep before STJ...GG only played two years of low JUCO ball himself but averaged 9 points and around six boards a game, and Gift looked much better.

Uchebo coming here would make Jones' already small role even smaller.  Sampson is far from a lock for leaving next season.  As athletic as he is, he hasn't shown that he can play on the perimeter offensively or defensively.  Add in the absurd recruiting class that will be draft elgible next year (9 projected first round picks), and it doesn't look very promising for Mr. Sampson.

Gift averaged 30mins a game.   Jones played 9.   I have no doubt that given increased playing time he would've matched Gift's Junior year numbers.
I think it's entirely possible Jones transfers, cause HE may want to.
But, if he's here, there's a role for him to play in future seasons.  Even if Uchebo is here.    Uchebo and Obekpa aren't going to play 40 minutes each.   Nor would you probably want them on the court at the same time.   
There's a future for CJ at St Johns if he wants to wait his turn.   That's how I see it.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Gray Chudney on April 22, 2013, 06:04:57 PM
If its gift or jones, I'd much rather jones stick around.  Gift is looking at 10 mpg or less and is gone after this year.  I'd sign up for jones and uchebo right now
He's a freshman, and he played about as much as a freshman should play. 

How could you say that when Sampson and Obekpa were exponentially better?  Christian Jones played a 5th year prep before STJ...GG only played two years of low JUCO ball himself but averaged 9 points and around six boards a game, and Gift looked much better.

Uchebo coming here would make Jones' already small role even smaller.  Sampson is far from a lock for leaving next season.  As athletic as he is, he hasn't shown that he can play on the perimeter offensively or defensively.  Add in the absurd recruiting class that will be draft elgible next year (9 projected first round picks), and it doesn't look very promising for Mr. Sampson.

Gift averaged 30mins a game.   Jones played 9.   I have no doubt that given increased playing time he would've matched Gift's Junior year numbers.
I think it's entirely possible Jones transfers, cause HE may want to.
But, if he's here, there's a role for him to play in future seasons.  Even if Uchebo is here.    Uchebo and Obekpa aren't going to play 40 minutes each.   Nor would you probably want them on the court at the same time.   
There's a future for CJ at St Johns if he wants to wait his turn.   That's how I see it.

uchebo and jones > gift in the big picture and possibly for next year, too.  i like gift but at best he's our 8th man for next year.

realistically, there isn't more than 15 total mins per game to go around next season for any combination of these guys.  both jones and uchebo have starter potential down the road when we might need a much bigger contribution from them.  if jones transfers and has to sit out a year, perhaps he can be convinced to stay knowing that 3 forwards are graduating next year and sampson might jump, too.

not sure this matters.  it's unclear that we are even recruiting uchebo right now.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: ras on April 22, 2013, 06:24:16 PM
I still dont know why Jones would transfer. Its not like he was ranked that high out of HS , and he thinks he should have been a starter at a high major program as a FR or SO.. If he sticks around he should get nice minutes as a jr and improve next year.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Moose on April 22, 2013, 06:26:30 PM
I still dont know why Jones would transfer. Its not like he was ranked that high out of HS , and he thinks he should have been a starter at a high major program as a FR or SO.. If he sticks around he should get nice minutes as a jr and improve next year.

He did lose two close people to him from back home during the year.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: crgreen on April 22, 2013, 07:40:58 PM
If its gift or jones, I'd much rather jones stick around.  Gift is looking at 10 mpg or less and is gone after this year.  I'd sign up for jones and uchebo right now
He's a freshman, and he played about as much as a freshman should play. 

How could you say that when Sampson and Obekpa were exponentially better?  Christian Jones played a 5th year prep before STJ...GG only played two years of low JUCO ball himself but averaged 9 points and around six boards a game, and Gift looked much better.

Uchebo coming here would make Jones' already small role even smaller.  Sampson is far from a lock for leaving next season.  As athletic as he is, he hasn't shown that he can play on the perimeter offensively or defensively.  Add in the absurd recruiting class that will be draft elgible next year (9 projected first round picks), and it doesn't look very promising for Mr. Sampson.

Gift averaged 30mins a game.   Jones played 9.   I have no doubt that given increased playing time he would've matched Gift's Junior year numbers.
I think it's entirely possible Jones transfers, cause HE may want to.
But, if he's here, there's a role for him to play in future seasons.  Even if Uchebo is here.    Uchebo and Obekpa aren't going to play 40 minutes each.   Nor would you probably want them on the court at the same time.   
There's a future for CJ at St Johns if he wants to wait his turn.   That's how I see it.

This is just plain silly.  Projected Pitt lotto pick  Steven Adams (7.2 pts, 6.3 rebs,  didn't exceed Gift's first year numbers. Lotto pick Andre Drummond barely did (10/7).  9/6 @ 53%FG in a Big East frontcourt doesn't grow on trees.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: boo3 on April 22, 2013, 07:50:01 PM
 Off the topic,  but count me into the group that likes what Gift brings and think he can be a real contributor off the bench. No way should he be run out of here..that notion is ludicrous.  He's been nothing short of an outstanding example of a student-athlete and representative of the University.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: desco80 on April 22, 2013, 08:18:09 PM
If its gift or jones, I'd much rather jones stick around.  Gift is looking at 10 mpg or less and is gone after this year.  I'd sign up for jones and uchebo right now
He's a freshman, and he played about as much as a freshman should play. 

How could you say that when Sampson and Obekpa were exponentially better?  Christian Jones played a 5th year prep before STJ...GG only played two years of low JUCO ball himself but averaged 9 points and around six boards a game, and Gift looked much better.

Uchebo coming here would make Jones' already small role even smaller.  Sampson is far from a lock for leaving next season.  As athletic as he is, he hasn't shown that he can play on the perimeter offensively or defensively.  Add in the absurd recruiting class that will be draft elgible next year (9 projected first round picks), and it doesn't look very promising for Mr. Sampson.

Gift averaged 30mins a game.   Jones played 9.   I have no doubt that given increased playing time he would've matched Gift's Junior year numbers.
I think it's entirely possible Jones transfers, cause HE may want to.
But, if he's here, there's a role for him to play in future seasons.  Even if Uchebo is here.    Uchebo and Obekpa aren't going to play 40 minutes each.   Nor would you probably want them on the court at the same time.   
There's a future for CJ at St Johns if he wants to wait his turn.   That's how I see it.

This is just plain silly.  Projected Pitt lotto pick  Steven Adams (7.2 pts, 6.3 rebs,  didn't exceed Gift's first year numbers. Lotto pick Andre Drummond barely did (10/7).  9/6 @ 53%FG in a Big East frontcourt doesn't grow on trees.

It's really not silly CR, what's silly is the conclusions you draw from Gift's numbers two seasons ago. 
First, yes, players like that do basically grow on trees.   Every team in the Big East except Rutgers had a 9/5 guy.  Many had multiple guys with those numbers.
Second, it has to be seen in context.  For Gift to have 5 rebounds a game for a team with no one one over 6'8, when he's playing 30 minutes, doesn't say much.   
Drummond played on a team with Alex Oriachi, Daniels, Olander, Wolf, Roscoe Smith etc etc  All these guys are long and can rebound etc. 
Gift and Moe were the only non-guards on the roster for most of the season.   Based purely on the number of available defensive rebounds it would be almost pathetic for him to play 30minutes and not average 5 rebounds.   
Furthermore, he's a center!  He didn't shoot outside of the lane; of course he has a high fg%.   Are Deandre Jordan and Tyson Chandler good shooters?  No, of course not.   You wouldn't even call them skilled-offensive-players necessarily, yet they lead the NBA in fg% because every basket they score is a putback or tip in. 
Same goes for Gift.

He was on a team with all guards (and Moe), he stood next to the hoop,  and he played a shit ton of minutes.  It is not at all surprising to me that he scored 9pts and 5 rebounds a game.  Nor is it that impressive.    And yes, I am absolutely, 100%, convinced that if given that opportunity Christian Jones could've done the same or better.   Gift is a nice player, but I really do think there are countless players who could've done what he did for us two years ago.  Including Sean Evans and Dele Coker fwiw.   And if you need anymore proof, you can look no further than the fact that coach Lavin didn't play him this year.   College coaches don't choose to not put a player on the court who they think can help them win.   Coach didn't 'save' Gift for next year.     
And if I'm wrong about that, you (and others) can have a field day.   But I'm not.   
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: simplyred on April 22, 2013, 08:32:07 PM
Are Deandre Jordan and Tyson Chandler good shooters?  No, of course not.   You wouldn't even call them skilled-offensive-players necessarily, yet they lead the NBA in fg% because every basket they score is a putback or tip in. 
Same goes for Gift.

So you're saying Gift is comparable to Tyson Chandler and Deandre Jordan.  I'll take that in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: desco80 on April 22, 2013, 08:47:48 PM
Are Deandre Jordan and Tyson Chandler good shooters?  No, of course not.   You wouldn't even call them skilled-offensive-players necessarily, yet they lead the NBA in fg% because every basket they score is a putback or tip in. 
Same goes for Gift.

So you're saying Gift is comparable to Tyson Chandler and Deandre Jordan.  I'll take that in a heartbeat.

Haha, no red, I'm saying a center shooting above 50% isn't anything to brag about.  They stand next to the rim lol.
But my apologies to everybody for the rant above.    Wate of space, I know
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Marillac on April 23, 2013, 11:43:19 AM
If its gift or jones, I'd much rather jones stick around.  Gift is looking at 10 mpg or less and is gone after this year.  I'd sign up for jones and uchebo right now
He's a freshman, and he played about as much as a freshman should play. 

How could you say that when Sampson and Obekpa were exponentially better?  Christian Jones played a 5th year prep before STJ...GG only played two years of low JUCO ball himself but averaged 9 points and around six boards a game, and Gift looked much better.

Uchebo coming here would make Jones' already small role even smaller.  Sampson is far from a lock for leaving next season.  As athletic as he is, he hasn't shown that he can play on the perimeter offensively or defensively.  Add in the absurd recruiting class that will be draft elgible next year (9 projected first round picks), and it doesn't look very promising for Mr. Sampson.

Gift averaged 30mins a game.   Jones played 9.   I have no doubt that given increased playing time he would've matched Gift's Junior year numbers.
I think it's entirely possible Jones transfers, cause HE may want to.
But, if he's here, there's a role for him to play in future seasons.  Even if Uchebo is here.    Uchebo and Obekpa aren't going to play 40 minutes each.   Nor would you probably want them on the court at the same time.   
There's a future for CJ at St Johns if he wants to wait his turn.   That's how I see it.

I agree that Jones has a future at STJ in two years.  I think we disagree, though, on the impact Jones could have had if given GG's minutes. 

Jones averaged only one rebound every NINE minutes.  If Jones' production stayed the same over 29.9 minutes (same as GG played last year), Jones would have averaged only 3.8 rebounds to go with 7.9 points compared to GG's averages of 5.8 boards and 9.4 points.  GG also shot 7% higher from the field and 30% higher from the line. 

Jones actually played 29 minutes (GG's exact average) against Detriot and managed only one (1) rebound.  The year before GG, who did play 38 minutes, snagged 8 rebounds against Detroit while playing alongside 6'8.5 first round pick, Moe Harkless, who secured 11 himself.  Gift's impact came after one year more of postgrad experience than Jones.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 30, 2013, 05:48:55 PM
Further indication we are not in the mix;

“@JucoRecruiting: Joseph Uchebo (6-11/C/2013) of Chipola is hearing from Pitt, Minnesota, NC State, OK State, USC & Middle Tennessee”
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Moose on April 30, 2013, 06:03:03 PM
Further indication we are not in the mix;

“@JucoRecruiting: Joseph Uchebo (6-11/C/2013) of Chipola is hearing from Pitt, Minnesota, NC State, OK State, USC & Middle Tennessee”

Well Lav said he was done for 2013.  And all signs point to Gift coming back.  So no need.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on April 30, 2013, 06:06:32 PM
Further indication we are not in the mix;

“@JucoRecruiting: Joseph Uchebo (6-11/C/2013) of Chipola is hearing from Pitt, Minnesota, NC State, OK State, USC & Middle Tennessee”

Well Lav said he was done for 2013.  And all signs point to Gift coming back.  So no need.

Fair point
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: fordham96 on May 01, 2013, 03:46:44 PM
Interview with Minnesota Rivals.com site:

"I've heard from Pittsburgh, Arizona, Minnesota, Middle Tennessee, Louisville, North Carolina State, USC out in California, and I think that's it," said Uchebo.

Minnesota's staff hit the recruiting hard last week traveling to just about every corner of the country to talk to talent. Chipola College was one of their destinations.

Uchebo will visit Minnesota this weekend along with Central Arizona point guard Dre Mathieu. Last month when Joseph visited Pittsburgh the medical facilities and personnel were a key part of his focus. The same can be said for Minnesota this week.

"I'm going to make my decision this May. I'm going to Oklahoma State not this weekend but the next week. Then I might be going to Arizona or USC in California, or Middle Tennessee. After that I can make a decision, I can make a decision then."

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1501651 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1501651)

Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: Moose on May 01, 2013, 03:50:54 PM
Interview with Minnesota Rivals.com site:

"I've heard from Pittsburgh, Arizona, Minnesota, Middle Tennessee, Louisville, North Carolina State, USC out in California, and I think that's it," said Uchebo.

Minnesota's staff hit the recruiting hard last week traveling to just about every corner of the country to talk to talent. Chipola College was one of their destinations.

Uchebo will visit Minnesota this weekend along with Central Arizona point guard Dre Mathieu. Last month when Joseph visited Pittsburgh the medical facilities and personnel were a key part of his focus. The same can be said for Minnesota this week.

"I'm going to make my decision this May. I'm going to Oklahoma State not this weekend but the next week. Then I might be going to Arizona or USC in California, or Middle Tennessee. After that I can make a decision, I can make a decision then."

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1501651 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1501651)



Who sticks out?
lol
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: LJSA on May 01, 2013, 07:43:46 PM
Sudden petty cash infusion ;D
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: paultzman on May 06, 2013, 03:48:47 PM
Pitino Jr.!!

“@NextUpRecruits: 6'11 Joseph Uchebo of Chipola has signed his LOI with the University I Minnesota!”
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC(FL)
Post by: fordham96 on May 06, 2013, 04:12:07 PM
Pitino Jr.!!

“@NextUpRecruits: 6'11 Joseph Uchebo of Chipola has signed his LOI with the University I Minnesota!”

Couple of late whiffs by Pitt-Severe and Uchebo.  Former A&M commit Chad Frazier is a Pitt recruit that they are in tight with as well.

Lost Adams and Ziegler late.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - MINNESOTA
Post by: paultzman on May 06, 2013, 04:14:41 PM
Pitino Jr.!!

“@NextUpRecruits: 6'11 Joseph Uchebo of Chipola has signed his LOI with the University I Minnesota!”

Couple of late whiffs by Pitt-Severe and Uchebo.  Former A&M commit Chad Frazier is a Pitt recruit that they are in tight with as well.

Lost Adams and Ziegler late.

Frazier committed to Auburn.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - MINNESOTA
Post by: pmg911 on May 06, 2013, 04:21:20 PM
Pitino Jr.!!

“@NextUpRecruits: 6'11 Joseph Uchebo of Chipola has signed his LOI with the University I Minnesota!”

with two former Big East assistants on his staff...
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - MINNESOTA
Post by: paultzman on May 06, 2013, 04:37:05 PM
Just saw another post indicating Pitt got him. We'll see.
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - MINNESOTA
Post by: paultzman on May 06, 2013, 04:38:46 PM
Minny writer;

“@RyanJamesMN: Just to clarify any confusion, Joseph Uchebo just told me he signed with Pitt. So there ya go.”
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - MINNESOTA
Post by: Moose on May 06, 2013, 04:40:53 PM
Minny and Pitt sound so similar ;)
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - MINNESOTA
Post by: fordham96 on May 06, 2013, 05:16:02 PM
Pitino Jr.!!

“@NextUpRecruits: 6'11 Joseph Uchebo of Chipola has signed his LOI with the University I Minnesota!”

Couple of late whiffs by Pitt-Severe and Uchebo.  Former A&M commit Chad Frazier is a Pitt recruit that they are in tight with as well.

Lost Adams and Ziegler late.

Frazier committed to Auburn.

You mean UAB.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/05/guard_chad_frazier_officially.html (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/05/guard_chad_frazier_officially.html)
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - MINNESOTA
Post by: paultzman on May 06, 2013, 05:17:42 PM
Pitino Jr.!!

“@NextUpRecruits: 6'11 Joseph Uchebo of Chipola has signed his LOI with the University I Minnesota!”

Couple of late whiffs by Pitt-Severe and Uchebo.  Former A&M commit Chad Frazier is a Pitt recruit that they are in tight with as well.

Lost Adams and Ziegler late.

Frazier committed to Auburn.

You mean UAB.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/05/guard_chad_frazier_officially.html (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/05/guard_chad_frazier_officially.html)

Yeah
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - PITTSBURGH
Post by: simplyred on May 06, 2013, 10:55:32 PM
This thread has my head spinning.  Who the hell signed with whom?
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - PITTSBURGH
Post by: Moose on May 06, 2013, 11:19:24 PM
This thread has my head spinning.  Who the hell signed with whom?

Rysheed signed with STJ
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - PITTSBURGH
Post by: pmg911 on May 07, 2013, 09:58:46 AM
Heard this kid has major knee issues right now...   if he gets healthy he could be solid player but there are major concerns with his future ability to spend a lot of time on the court
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - PITTSBURGH
Post by: MCNPA on May 07, 2013, 10:00:07 AM
Heard this kid has major knee issues right now...   if he gets healthy he could be solid player but there are major concerns with his future ability to spend a lot of time on the court

I heard the same thing last week.  Not sure how healthy he will be even for the season.  Big guys like that don't recover from knee issues nearly as easily. 
Title: Re: Joe Uchebo - C - Chipola JC - Raleigh, NC - PITTSBURGH
Post by: PIB on July 29, 2013, 07:20:50 AM
Knees have been the knock in him for a while.