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They might want Brosnan but I know from very reliable people he won't take the job.

This guy has been spot on re: evolution of new BE, but he really rips GT in this article;

“@blauds: Big East commissioner search looks and feels like a Georgetown operation http://ajerseyguy.com”

His anti-Georgetown rant seems a bit laden with agenda.  Criticizing the timing of the announcement because of the Newtown incident as if it was some sort of slight?  C'mon. 

I also don't believe we should have waited another year to save some money.  We signed a great contract with Fox.  If we waited another year, we likely would lose the MSG deal we have locked up for the next 12 seasons. 

Maybe they are looking at some Georgetown guys, but I don't necessarily think that is a horrible thing.  Successful school with good basketball history.  IMO things are going just about as well as we could ask for this far in the rebuild of our conference.

Chicago Mayor announces they aree building 300 million dollar 13k seat DePaul Arena in downtown Chicago.  Wow.  DePaul stepping up to the plate BIG time. 

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/13/chicago-mayor-expected-to-announce-plans-for-300-million-depaul-arena/

Chicago Mayor announces they aree building 300 million dollar 13k seat DePaul Arena in downtown Chicago.  Wow.  DePaul stepping up to the plate BIG time. 

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/13/chicago-mayor-expected-to-announce-plans-for-300-million-depaul-arena/

It can only help them.

"AMELIA ISLAND, Fla. -- The ACC is "thoroughly investigating" playing its men's basketball tournament at Madison Square Garden, sources told ESPN on Tuesday.

One source was adamant that the ACC tournament eventually would be held in the World's Most Famous Arena, which would take it out of traditional ACC country for the first time.

"We'll be playing there," a source said. "It's just a matter of getting all the legal ramifications worked out."

That's because in March, the new Big East Conference and Madison Square Garden announced a 12-year deal through 2026. However, MSG executive vice president Joel Fisher was non-committal about the ACC playing there.

"I don't want to speculate about (the ACC)," Fisher said in March.

Sources said MSG can get out of its deal before 2026 if the new Big East doesn't reach certain benchmarks. That would open the door for the ACC, which is holding its spring meetings in Amelia Island.

"There is real momentum to play the tournament at Madison Square Garden," a source said. "Why shouldn't the premier basketball conference play in the world's premier arena?"

“@McMurphyESPN: ACC looking into playing hoops tourney at MSG sources told @ESPN http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9278832/acc-investigating-playing-conference-tournament-madison-square-garden-sources-say”

These bastards are so arrogant.

Benchmarks?

Building holds what?  18k.  Split that up 10 or 12 ways and your not talking about a lot of tickets.  Selling tickets should NEVER be a concern.

Benchmarks?

Building holds what?  18k.  Split that up 10 or 12 ways and your not talking about a lot of tickets.  Selling tickets should NEVER be a concern.

It is all the more reason why SJU among others need to establish themselves as national programs again.  And quickly.  You guys can talk all you want about the Creighton's of the world but it aint Louisville or Syracuse in NYC.

I was talking to a local writer about scheduling dilemmas next year.  Picture this, a Saturday in January, Syracuse vs Duke at the Dome.  Louisville and UCONN at Hartford and Creighton visiting SJU at MSG.  Where you headed that weekend?  All 3 have appeal but right now the SJU game is third in terms of national appeal.

Instead, how about Syracuse vs Wake Forest, Tulane vs UCONN, Creighton visiting SJU at MSG (both should be top 25), where are you heading
that weekend.  Only one has any appeal in terms of national interest.

Instead, how about Syracuse vs Wake Forest, Tulane vs UCONN, Creighton visiting SJU at MSG (both should be top 25), where are you heading
that weekend.  Only one has any appeal in terms of national interest.

Good point.  Top team vs. Top teams the ACC has an advantage over basically every conference in America, but at the middle levels it's much more muddled especially even now that the ACC's geographic rivalries have been upended.

As far as the conference tournaments go, the Big East's new commissioner better work his tail off making sure that we retain MSG.  That's super important.    It's not a surprise, but still disappointing to some saber-rattling by unnamed ACC sources.   

The football re-alignment issues and ramifications continue give us diaper-rash.

Instead, how about Syracuse vs Wake Forest, Tulane vs UCONN, Creighton visiting SJU at MSG (both should be top 25), where are you heading
that weekend.  Only one has any appeal in terms of national interest.

Creighton/SJU is the better game but hardly the national appeal if SU-Duke or UCONN/VILLE.

And again right now the top teams in the ACC are better then the new BE and that is before Louisville shows up.

Now you know why MSG is looking at the ACC.  SJU should be good and they better be good and now need to consistently be good or the new conference won't get it done.

Quote from: Moon Mullin on May 15, 2013, 08:54:34 PM

Instead, how about Syracuse vs Wake Forest, Tulane vs UCONN, Creighton visiting SJU at MSG (both should be top 25), where are you heading
that weekend.  Only one has any appeal in terms of national interest.

Creighton/SJU is the better game but hardly the national appeal if SU-Duke or UCONN/VILLE.

And again right now the top teams in the ACC are better then the new BE and that is before Louisville shows up.

Now you know why MSG is looking at the ACC.  SJU should be good and they better be good and now need to consistently be good or the new conference won't get it done.

It's definitely game-time for the Big East Conference members.  They have to do well in the non-conference match-ups this year and then represent well in the NCAAs.   

Quote from: Moon Mullin on May 15, 2013, 08:54:34 PM

Instead, how about Syracuse vs Wake Forest, Tulane vs UCONN, Creighton visiting SJU at MSG (both should be top 25), where are you heading
that weekend.  Only one has any appeal in terms of national interest.

Creighton/SJU is the better game but hardly the national appeal if SU-Duke or UCONN/VILLE.

And again right now the top teams in the ACC are better then the new BE and that is before Louisville shows up.

Now you know why MSG is looking at the ACC.  SJU should be good and they better be good and now need to consistently be good or the new conference won't get it done.

Your last line is oh so important for the new league.

bk8664 That's how the original Big East got it done

Quote from: Moon Mullin on May 15, 2013, 08:54:34 PM

Instead, how about Syracuse vs Wake Forest, Tulane vs UCONN, Creighton visiting SJU at MSG (both should be top 25), where are you heading
that weekend.  Only one has any appeal in terms of national interest.

Good point.  Top team vs. Top teams the ACC has an advantage over basically every conference in America, but at the middle levels it's much more muddled especially even now that the ACC's geographic rivalries have been upended.

As far as the conference tournaments go, the Big East's new commissioner better work his tail off making sure that we retain MSG.  That's super important.    It's not a surprise, but still disappointing to some saber-rattling by unnamed ACC sources.   

The football re-alignment issues and ramifications continue give us diaper-rash.

You are defined as a conference by your top teams.  Period.

The new BE is not going to be perceived as good because they have a bunch of NCAA bubble teams.  They will be defined as good because SJU, Marquette, Georgetown and Villanova effectively replaced Syracuse, UCONN, VILLE and Pitt as NATIONAL powers.

A top level commissioner is something the League needs to squash these things.  And I can't help but wonder if this is out there to speed along the hiring process and get a top honcho on board ASAP.

Quote from: bk8664 on May 15, 2013, 09:00:49 PM

Quote from: Moon Mullin on May 15, 2013, 08:54:34 PM

Instead, how about Syracuse vs Wake Forest, Tulane vs UCONN, Creighton visiting SJU at MSG (both should be top 25), where are you heading
that weekend.  Only one has any appeal in terms of national interest.

Good point.  Top team vs. Top teams the ACC has an advantage over basically every conference in America, but at the middle levels it's much more muddled especially even now that the ACC's geographic rivalries have been upended.

As far as the conference tournaments go, the Big East's new commissioner better work his tail off making sure that we retain MSG.  That's super important.    It's not a surprise, but still disappointing to some saber-rattling by unnamed ACC sources.   

The football re-alignment issues and ramifications continue give us diaper-rash.

You are defined as a conference by your top teams.  Period.

The new BE is not going to be perceived as good because they have a bunch of NCAA bubble teams.  They will be defined as good because SJU, Marquette, Georgetown and Villanova effectively replaced Syracuse, UCONN, VILLE and Pitt as NATIONAL powers.

"You are defined as a conference by your top teams.  Period."
I disagree with this statement.  Top teams certainly are important to a conference's overall prestige, but the middle and the bottom are also important.   Take a look at the SEC.  They have two top-end players like Kentucky and FL and yet their conference is perceived as being at a lower-level than some of the other major conferences like the the old Big East or the Big 10.  The reason is because the old Big East and the Big 10 offer tough teams to play most nights.  That's not so in the SEC and even the ACC was viewed lower than us because it was garbage other than Duke, UNC and some other team rotating in 3rd place...   Middle level teams and lower level teams matter.  Success by the #7 seed from a conference making to the sweet 16 in the NCAAs brings prestige to a conference even if they don't make it to the elite 8 or final 4.   It is not only about the top couple of teams in each conference; all the teams matter.

That being said, my disagreement with your statement wasn't what my original point was trying to get to.  I was trying to make the point, along with the previous message in the thread, that a SJU vs. Villanova game can have as much appeal to TV networks as any other game, other than the obvious Duke vs. Cuse or UNC vs. Louisville type of game. And guess what?....That's ok.   It's been that way for quite while now.   Just because we don't have the #2 vs. #4 teams in the country doesn't mean we don't have prestige in our conference and doesn't mean we can't have national interest in our games or get solid TV ratings.

If the new Big East wants itself be viewed as a true big boy on the block - say as the 3rd best conference in American, then  certainly our teams will need to raise their profile and we definitely will need 1 or 2 of our conference members to become perennial top 10 teams.   

A top level commissioner is something the League needs to squash these things.  And I can't help but wonder if this is out there to speed along the hiring process and get a top honcho on board ASAP.

Absolutely, this is the point where an in-place commissioner would make an off the cuff remark in an obnoxious and snarky way that the Big East has a deal with MSG well into the 2020s and we will certainly will meet all performance requirements of our contract. 

A lotta wisdom bein brought to the forefront here not the least by moon, Fordham and the bk.