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St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2016 Class => Topic started by: paultzman on June 12, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
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@EvanDaniels: Four high major schools track 2016 German forward Richard Freudenberg | Story: http://t.co/V9cR4Jmnrl http://t.co/b0KFru2FbM
Visit in August to SJU.
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Interesting Columbia already with two Germany players.
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Euro hoops writer who last month felt Mussini would be a Johnny post playoffs. We'll see in a few more weeks.
@heinnews: Hmm ...@Yankusima, @FMussini and @RichardFreudenb on one team? European All-Tournament Team? no, maybe @StJohnsBBall
http://t.co/MEWpkqzH0M
Yankusima is Sima btw.
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Hopefully he visits SJU in August as referenced previously;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eF4eVklqQdo&feature=youtu.be
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Wherever he lands, it would be great if he developed a strong backdoor cut so we can call it the " Freudenberg slip."
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@draftprosnba: @DraftExpress Hartenstein, Kiel and Freudenberg could be the best frontcourt at the 2015 FIBA U18 European Championsip.
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@canpelister: R.Freudenberg (2016), 6'8'', will visit St. John's in NY next month. Mullin as Coach and Euro duo Mussini&Sima could be a good fit for him.
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FIBAU18Europe A Div / Czech Republic 47-74 Germany
R.Freudenberg 13 pts+5 rebs, K.Mushidi 12 pts+4 asts for Germany
One of youngest players on the team btw.
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The German Maverick Rowan.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Also, #sjubb will host German 2016 forward Richard Freudenberg on August 8, per source.
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@draftprosnba: Richard Freudenberg's (@RichardFreudenb ) Highlights at the 2015 U18 European Championship: https://t.co/g36CcoQalA
@Eurohopes
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Looks like a more athletic Mav Rowan 8)
But seriously....damn this kid looks good. Seems like certain schools (St. Mary's, Gonzaga etc.) develop these overseas pipelines and keep them flowing for a long time. Would love to be one of them, we're off to a pretty good start.
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@ChristopheEPcom: Richard Freudenberg (2016) will unofficially visit St. John's University this weekend according to a source
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@RichardFreudenb: 2 Weeks no practice ---> Munich--->Nashville--->NYC--->Boston with my mom #USA
Remember Vandy is chasing him. (Nashville) He has relatives in Boston, not a college visit.
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Any sort of time table on a commitment date yet?
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Nice interview
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Richard-Freudenberg-2015-FIBA-U18-European-Championship-Interview-5196/
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He wants to come to the US to study. What would be our recruiting strategy against Duke?
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He wants to come to the US to study. What would be our recruiting strategy against Duke?
Duke not chasing him, but Vandy is salient to your point.
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Reminder - This is RF's second visit to Vandy & academics apparently is quite important to his family. I conclude Vandy will be tough to beat, but we certainly have a chance.
@Vanderbilt247: German 4-star small forward Richard Freudenberg to visit Vanderbilt on Thursday http://t.co/vvVyphJABx
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Visiting SJU Saturday after Vandy today. BC is also in the mix.
http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1570912-alert-german-forward-taking-three-visits
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@RichardFreudenb: Last day in Nashville 🔜 NYC! Very excited! #bigapple
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/630010474663428096
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With academics being very important, it is going to be very hard to beat out Duke. Even for Vandy.
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If anything other than playing time or an urban experience is involved it would be hard to beat out Duke.
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Duke brings in 3-4 5* recruits every year these days. Can't see this kid going there. Vandy and zags make more sense
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@RichardFreudenb: Watching the big strick Classic in Harlem #newyork http://t.co/JLOxRAn5Kp
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This guy looks like the German bastard child of Jon Scheyer and Mike Dunleavy.
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http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/st-johns-basketball-recruiting/2015/8/8/9122333/richard-freudenberg-2016-official-visit-st-johns?utm_campaign=rumbleinthegarden&utm_content=article%3Atop&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter#
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Usual response but;
@AdamZagoria: 2016 German F @RichardFreudenb tells @SNYtv his unofficial to St. John's was 'great.' BC up next.
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i wonder if he went to Stammtisch
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i wonder if he went to Stammtisch
If the staff was smart they would have brought him there. Best German food in NY area.
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He eats German food all the time. Why would he want to go there? ;)
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@nb_generation: Richard Freudenberg ('98), Class of 2016 from Germany, visited St. John's. Here is a photo with Chris Mullin
https://twitter.com/nb_generation/status/630815046323576832
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@nb_generation: Richard Freudenberg ('98), Class of 2016 from Germany, visited St. John's. Here is a photo with Chris Mullin
https://twitter.com/nb_generation/status/630815046323576832
That's awesome
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AHHHH Stammtisch....Gravy and meat
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@draftprosnba: Richard Freudenberg just turned 17 but he is already starting for FC Bayern Muenchen in a friendly game.
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@NYPost_Brazille: German forward Richard Freudenberg visits #sjubb tomorrow for second time, per source.
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@AdamZagoria: After visiting Miami 6-8 German F Richard Freudenberg hits St. John's tomorrow, source confirms.
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Kid looks good. Nice SF with good size and range. Mullin and Co. Recruiting an entirely different type of player than we have in the past. hopefully a good official visit.
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Kid looks good. Nice SF with good size and range. Mullin and Co. Recruiting an entirely different type of player than we have in the past. hopefully a good official visit.
Unofficial
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Interesting commentary from Fran F on RF at about 2:40 mark
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13614554
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Yankuba Sima Fatty @Yankusima 2 hours ago
International flavour at St. John's University.Basketball is an universal language! #sjubb @RichardFreudenb @FMussini
https://twitter.com/Yankusima/with_replies
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https://twitter.com/draftprosnba/status/639536547637952512
Decision by October...kid looks really good
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Yankuba Sima Fatty @Yankusima 2 hours ago
International flavour at St. John's University.Basketball is an universal language! #sjubb @RichardFreudenb @FMussini
https://twitter.com/Yankusima/with_replies
Smart getting him back on campus with all the overseas kids practicing
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Have not seen either play, but heard he is better than Rowan
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Have not seen either play, but heard he is better than Rowan
Love white to white comparisons :)
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I saw Fraschilla on TV last night talking about the top 5 Euro prospects for the 2016 class. He said he believes that Freudenberg could end up being the best of the bunch. High praise with some players that were being recruited by Kentucky, Arizona and UNC.
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Yeah, that clip's been up on ESPN for a few days. He only really gets into detail about Maarkinen, the Finn, and Freudenberg. Very complimentary and mentions STJ first when talking about schools going after him.
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Staff will likely visit RF in Germany subsequent to Ahmed weekend.
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@NYPost_Brazille: St. John's assistant Matt Abdelmassih will be overseas this week to see German target Richard Freudenberg. #sjubb
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Playing in Munich;
@RichardFreudenb: Just Bayern... Great game at Alianz Arena vs Zagreb 5:0 #championsleague #fcb #fcbb #AlianzArena @DeThompson9 http://t.co/kJwjH8MxY9
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Coach Kevin Stallings and the Vanderbilt Commodores look like the top competitor for Fruedenberg's services at this point. Vanderbilt is one of the top academic institutions in the Power 5 conferences, which he told DraftExpress is very important to his family. Their quality on the court is not lacking either, as they are widely expected to return to the NCAA tournament this year, which would be their sixth appearance since 2007. However, their roster does not have as much of an international presence as St. John's, and does not have the attraction of an NBA All-Star head coach who played the same position he did.
St. John's is clearly looking to take advantage of the international market and become a Gonzaga of the East, of sorts. If the Johnnies can use that effort, plus the added attraction of a big city, big conference, and a shorter flight from Europe, to get players on the level of Ronny Turiaf, Domantas Sabonis and Przemek Karnowski, it can pay huge dividends. Richard Freudenberg would be a big step in making that happen.
https://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1809710
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SJU and international student athletes is not just Basketball. If you have a few minutes check on the rosters for women's and men's sports at redstormsports
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I know this is a deep recruiting year, but I feel like Freudenberg would be ranked significantly higher if he played in the states.
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@RichardFreudenb: My first time on the court with @fcb_basketball ! Amazing experience! Thanks to everyone who supported me until now! http://t.co/E3drBfnBdu
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I know this is a deep recruiting year, but I feel like Freudenberg would be ranked significantly higher if he played in the states.
247 has him ranked in the top 50
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I was watching highlights of him on youtube. His skill set is impressive. I would imagine if he was playing high school ball in the states he would def be top 20 player. Others might have a better gauge but he has good size and is very skilled offensively. This kid would be such a weapon for us. Hope we land him.
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I know this is a deep recruiting year, but I feel like Freudenberg would be ranked significantly higher if he played in the states.
247 has him ranked in the top 50
And a few other prominent sites don't have him ranked at all, his composite ranking on 247 is 99.
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Hearing from Happy & another person close to program that staff really likes their chances here. Nice to have multiple lines in the water, staff certainly casting a wide net.
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Hearing from Happy & another person close to program that staff really likes their chances here. Nice to have multiple lines in the water, staff certainly casting a wide net.
Is he def. planning on playing college ball or is there a chance he signs a pro contract back home?
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Hearing from Happy & another person close to program that staff really likes their chances here. Nice to have multiple lines in the water, staff certainly casting a wide net.
Is he def. planning on playing college ball or is there a chance he signs a pro contract back home?
College
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@draftprosnba: Richard Freudenberg with 22 PTS (3/4 3 PT FG) in just 21 minutes against Bayreuth. Made also 9/10 FT. Getting to the line is big for him.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Hering #sjubb feels very good about where it stands with German forward Richard Freudenberg.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Hering #sjubb feels very good about where it stands with German forward Richard Freudenberg.
Between this and a avatar change, should we expect something written indicating his intentions in the coming days?
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@NYPost_Brazille: Hering #sjubb feels very good about where it stands with German forward Richard Freudenberg.
Between this and a avatar change, should we expect something written indicating his intentions in the coming days?
Nah, just happy with Zach's tweet.
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Future NBA player. Would love to see them get this done.
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In recruiting nothing is a lock, but feel very, very good about this one. Be nice to get Freudenberg (& Ahmed) in the Spring.
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@draftprosnba: Richard Freudenberg had a great game in the 4th german division yesterday. Today he had 24 points + 9 rebounds for Munich in the NBBL.
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In recruiting nothing is a lock, but feel very, very good about this one. Be nice to get Freudenberg & Ahmed in the Spring.
"In the Spring". Ouch!
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In recruiting nothing is a lock, but feel very, very good about this one. Be nice to get Freudenberg & Ahmed in the Spring.
"In the Spring". Ouch!
Next signing period, doesn't mean either won't verbal before.
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People LOVE this kids game....would be ranked in top 20 is what a member of staff said
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Patience here. Remember how Mussini waited till after his season to commit?
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Patience here. Remember how Mussini waited till after his season to commit?
Yup & I believe his season ends in February.
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People LOVE this kids game....would be ranked in top 20 is what a member of staff said
I'd have to agree. He looks like a first round talent. I don't think we'd get more than two years, but that would be a good problem to have.
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People LOVE this kids game....would be ranked in top 20 is what a member of staff said
Shhhh! He's not signing till Spring.
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
St. John's feels really confident about landing German SF @RichardFreudenb as their 2nd 2016 commit, source tells @SNYtv
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This would be huge. Would love to be in a position having Ponds/Freudenberg/Ahmed signed up (plus Yawke/Lovett/Owens), so then there's not much pressure for the spring period to get Maker, Rawlie, or anyone else that pops up.
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@draftprosnba: Watched Richard Freudenberg several times this year and he looks taller than 6-8. Maybe even close to 6-10 in shoes, at least 6-9.
@RichardFreudenb: @draftprosnba I grew up an inch. Without shoes 6'9. Never measured it with shoes.
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Paultzman thanks for all great posts.
Who is your picture of is that ponds
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it's Lovett in Paultzman's avi - I'm thinking positive vibes
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Anyone know the level of comp RF is presently playing against? Thanks.
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Anyone know the level of comp RF is presently playing against? Thanks.
Imagining it's on par or better than most american high schools.
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Paultzman thanks for all great posts.
Who is your picture of is that ponds
LoVett
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From Zags: "Fresh off today's win over Syracuse, St. John's asst @mabde33 goes to Germany tomorrow for 2016 SF @RichardFreudenb"
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From Zags: "Fresh off today's win over Syracuse, St. John's asst @mabde33 goes to Germany tomorrow for 2016 SF @RichardFreudenb"
I hope he's bringing an LOI and a pen
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From Zags: "Fresh off today's win over Syracuse, St. John's asst @mabde33 goes to Germany tomorrow for 2016 SF @RichardFreudenb"
I hope he's bringing an LOI and a pen
Can't sign until April, but would be nice to get a verbal very soon. :)
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From Zags: "Fresh off today's win over Syracuse, St. John's asst @mabde33 goes to Germany tomorrow for 2016 SF @RichardFreudenb"
I hope he's bringing an LOI and a pen
Can't sign until April
Always have to rain on the parade :)
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Fran tweeted out that euros were on the way. I'll take that for what it's worth but spoke to Matt A after there St Francis win the other day and he seemed very confident when I asked about 2016 class.
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Fran tweeted out that euros were on the way. I'll take that for what it's worth but spoke to Matt A after there St Francis win the other day and he seemed very confident when I asked about 2016 class.
Don't be shocked if something breaks very soon. We'll see.
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Fran tweeted out that euros were on the way. I'll take that for what it's worth but spoke to Matt A after there St Francis win the other day and he seemed very confident when I asked about 2016 class.
Don't be shocked if something breaks very soon. We'll see.
Keeping fingers crossed. Just looked at his Twitter feed. Didn't realize the kid is 6'9" without shoes. Impressive height we wil have coupled with skill if we land him.
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Fran tweeted out that euros were on the way. I'll take that for what it's worth but spoke to Matt A after there St Francis win the other day and he seemed very confident when I asked about 2016 class.
Don't be shocked if something breaks very soon. We'll see.
Keeping fingers crossed. Just looked at his Twitter feed. Didn't realize the kid is 6'9" without shoes. Impressive height we wil have coupled with skill if we land him.
Huge Dirk Nowitzki fan btw, not only because he is German.
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Fran tweeted out that euros were on the way. I'll take that for what it's worth but spoke to Matt A after there St Francis win the other day and he seemed very confident when I asked about 2016 class.
Don't be shocked if something breaks very soon. We'll see.
Keeping fingers crossed. Just looked at his Twitter feed. Didn't realize the kid is 6'9" without shoes. Impressive height we wil have coupled with skill if we land him.
Huge Dirk Nowitzki fan btw, not only because he is German.
I can imagine. We'd have terrific length with him next to Sima, Owens, Yakwe and maybe Bashir as well as Amar.
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NBA Draft Prospects tweet;
Richard Freudenberg just scored 20 points (4 threes) in just 13 minutes in the 4th German division. He is going to be really really good.
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http://www.eurohopes.com/news/6185/the_emergence_of_german_prospects_chapter_i_part_1
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http://www.eurohopes.com/news/6185/the_emergence_of_german_prospects_chapter_i_part_1
Is that god or bad for us ? We don't want him to "emerge" too much
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Think Paultz was just sharing an article relating to St. John's, in other news the sky is blue and I thank god for both
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BAJSK-uAjU4tMk_hLx0ffpYagnCe-ZrBkQbTOM0/
Amar posted this:
t. John's taking over the world♠️🤔🌍🚀⚪️🔴🗽 #1 #dreamchaser #sjubb #sju #makeitrain #eurosquad #morecomingsoon
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BAJSK-uAjU4tMk_hLx0ffpYagnCe-ZrBkQbTOM0/
Amar posted this:
t. John's taking over the world♠️🤔🌍🚀⚪️🔴🗽 #1 #dreamchaser #sjubb #sju #makeitrain #eurosquad #morecomingsoon
Done deal?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BAJSK-uAjU4tMk_hLx0ffpYagnCe-ZrBkQbTOM0/
Amar posted this:
t. John's taking over the world♠️🤔🌍🚀⚪️🔴🗽 #1 #dreamchaser #sjubb #sju #makeitrain #eurosquad #morecomingsoon
Done deal?
Excellent position
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BAJSK-uAjU4tMk_hLx0ffpYagnCe-ZrBkQbTOM0/
Amar posted this:
t. John's taking over the world♠️🤔🌍🚀⚪️🔴🗽 #1 #dreamchaser #sjubb #sju #makeitrain #eurosquad #morecomingsoon
Done deal?
Excellent position
:)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BAJSK-uAjU4tMk_hLx0ffpYagnCe-ZrBkQbTOM0/
Amar posted this:
t. John's taking over the world♠️🤔🌍🚀⚪️🔴🗽 #1 #dreamchaser #sjubb #sju #makeitrain #eurosquad #morecomingsoon
Done deal?
Excellent position
Does that mean no Alkins? Hard to see were the playing time would be for all the wings if Alkins came on board.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BAJSK-uAjU4tMk_hLx0ffpYagnCe-ZrBkQbTOM0/
Amar posted this:
t. John's taking over the world♠️🤔🌍🚀⚪️🔴🗽 #1 #dreamchaser #sjubb #sju #makeitrain #eurosquad #morecomingsoon
Done deal?
Excellent position
Does that mean no Alkins? Hard to see were the playing time would be for all the wings if Alkins came on board.
Freudenberg isn't really a wing. He's 6'9"-6"10". Will likely be a step-out 4...
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Freudenberg isn't really a wing. He's 6'9"-6"10". Will likely be a step-out 4...
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RF will definitely get minutes both on the wing and inside.
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NBADraftProspects – @draftprosnba
NBA scouts about Richard Freudenberg: "Of all the internationals, he may have the greatest upside in the 2016 class" (via @franfraschilla )
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NBADraftProspects – @draftprosnba
NBA scouts about Richard Freudenberg: "Of all the internationals, he may have the greatest upside in the 2016 class" (via @franfraschilla )
Will be presently surprised when we sign this young msn. As a general rule Germans are big on academic saw Vanderbilt as the favorite
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It's looking good we sign him?
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It's looking good we sign him?
Very, verbal first of course.
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Paultzman
Anybody else we are close with
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Paultzman
Anybody else we are close with
To tell the truth, already we are in fantastic shape as a recruiting class for next year with Lovett, Ponds, both top 40 guards, Ahmed a top juco, Owens after sitting out a year and possibly Freudenberg. That's a stellar class already considering the young talent we have coming back. Anything else will be gravy.
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Take a look at the recruiting threat. Right now, it is Freudenberg as the priority. We are in the running for Rawle, and, in some eyes, are a serious contender. We are also recruiting Maker, but that seems to be a long shot. And recently we checked up on the Greek Freak's little brother, but some think that is a "recruit and stash at prep school" type situation.
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Paultzman
Anybody else we are close with
To tell the truth, already we are in fantastic shape as a recruiting class for next year with Lovett, Ponds, both top 40 guards, Ahmed a top juco, Owens after sitting out a year and possibly Freudenberg. That's a stellar class already considering the young talent we have coming back. Anything else will be gravy.
We get Freudenberg & perhaps a surprise graduate transfer.
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Matt A made a living off the graduate transfers/transfers at Iowa St.
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Paultzman
Anybody else we are close with
To tell the truth, already we are in fantastic shape as a recruiting class for next year with Lovett, Ponds, both top 40 guards, Ahmed a top juco, Owens after sitting out a year and possibly Freudenberg. That's a stellar class already considering the young talent we have coming back. Anything else will be gravy.
We get Freudenberg & perhaps a surprise graduate transfer.
Interesting. I wonder which position we would look to get a grad transfer. Assuming everybody comes back and is eligible we will have plenty of depth at guard/wing. Would hope we get an experienced big to eat some minutes in the middle
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Paultzman
Anybody else we are close with
To tell the truth, already we are in fantastic shape as a recruiting class for next year with Lovett, Ponds, both top 40 guards, Ahmed a top juco, Owens after sitting out a year and possibly Freudenberg. That's a stellar class already considering the young talent we have coming back. Anything else will be gravy.
We get Freudenberg & perhaps a surprise graduate transfer.
Interesting. I wonder which position we would look to get a grad transfer. Assuming everybody comes back and is eligible we will have plenty of depth at guard/wing. Would hope we get an experienced big to eat some minutes in the middle
Agree, hopefully a wide body as our bigs (Sima, Owens) are on the thin side.Also a good idea to bring in a 5th yr transfer to free up a schollie for 17 or 18.
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Paultzman
Anybody else we are close with
To tell the truth, already we are in fantastic shape as a recruiting class for next year with Lovett, Ponds, both top 40 guards, Ahmed a top juco, Owens after sitting out a year and possibly Freudenberg. That's a stellar class already considering the young talent we have coming back. Anything else will be gravy.
We get Freudenberg & perhaps a surprise graduate transfer.
Yeah I'd think grad transfer is the way to go with a final ship if we land Freudenberg and can't land one of Alkins or Maker.
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NBADraftProspects – @draftprosnba
Outstanding NBBL game for Richard Freudenberg today: 34 points (4-8 for 3, 11-18 FG). Also had 14 boards, 4 blocks, 3 steals + 2 assists.
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@heinnews, who covers Euro hoops, shared the following info on the rest of Freudenberg's season. That does not mean he can't verbal sooner than later. Just thought I would share his response;
@rgsaunders1 Well, Bayern hopes to make NBBL Final Four on May 21-22. Then, there's the U18 European Championship from July 30-Aug 7
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Tick, tick, tick....
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Paultzman, good news coming from Deutschland?
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Zum Stammtisch sealed the deal.
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Tick, tick, tick....
If we get him we are going to have a very versatile team next year. Help is on the way boys. Take your lumps this year and bounce back in a huge way next year.
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: :)
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This is nothing short of tremendous news. Happy Friday everyone, my gawd!
Staff has picked up the top JUCO, International, and NYC talent. Add any combination of Thon/Rawle/JUCO/Grad Transfer/mystery 2016 kid to this mix and this team is preseason top 5 BE.
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Paultzman, any idea when this will be official?
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Paultzman, any idea when this will be official?
When he's on the layup line
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: :)
You've got to be more forthcoming on your smiley face. Details, dates that sort of thing .
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: :)
You've got to be more forthcoming on your smiley face. Details, dates that sort of thing .
Just being optimistic
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: :)
You've got to be more forthcoming on your smiley face. Details, dates that sort of thing .
Just being optimistic
Expecting an announcement shortly or just a positive vibe for whenever it comes ?
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: :)
You've got to be more forthcoming on your smiley face. Details, dates that sort of thing .
Just being optimistic
Expecting an announcement shortly or just a positive vibe for whenever it comes ?
Zach Braziller;
Richard Freudenberg tells me he is close to a decision. Likely a few weeks away. Looking good for #sjubb is the word.
Zach B tweet
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Impact player right away? Starter?
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: :)
You've got to be more forthcoming on your smiley face. Details, dates that sort of thing .
Just being optimistic
Expecting an announcement shortly or just a positive vibe for whenever it comes ?
Zach Braziller;
Richard Freudenberg tells me he is close to a decision. Likely a few weeks away. Looking good for #sjubb is the word.
Zach B tweet
Love the way they say "close" and then "a few weeks away". Don't they know what they are doing to us . So basically no new information.
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: :)
You've got to be more forthcoming on your smiley face. Details, dates that sort of thing .
Just being optimistic
Expecting an announcement shortly or just a positive vibe for whenever it comes ?
Zach Braziller;
Richard Freudenberg tells me he is close to a decision. Likely a few weeks away. Looking good for #sjubb is the word.
Zach B tweet
Love the way they say "close" and then "a few weeks away". Don't they know what they are doing to us . So basically no new information.
Your interpretation is off. The school & player announce when they want to. Be happy on this one. Lastly, Braziller is very close to this regime. Trust his prognosis.
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Impact player right away? Starter?
I hear staff thinks he is an impact player. Starter? We'll see.
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Impact player right away? Starter?
I hear staff thinks he is an impact player. Starter? We'll see.
Is he more of a 3 or 4?
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Baldi Fraschilla has discussed him a lot, believing he has the most pro potential of any college aged Euro in the 2016 class, per NBA folks, and that he should be viewed as a top 25-50 HS US player. Fran covers the Euro stuff extensively, so I take that evaluation as a big time positive.
Remember that Fran liked Mussini a lot too, but much much less than Freudenberg. I read stuff where he said that Mussini was more of an immediate impact guy at the mid major level, with the potential to be a good high major player with increased strength and quickness.
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Impact player right away? Starter?
I hear staff thinks he is an impact player. Starter? We'll see.
Is he more of a 3 or 4?
From what I read & from game tape samples, he looks like a 3 or stretch 4 occasionally.
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Baldi Fraschilla has discussed him a lot, believing he has the most pro potential of any college aged Euro in the 2016 class, per NBA folks, and that he should be viewed as a top 25-50 HS US player. Fran covers the Euro stuff extensively, so I take that evaluation as a big time positive.
Remember that Fran liked Mussini a lot too, but much much less than Freudenberg. I read stuff where he said that Mussini was more of an immediate impact guy at the mid major level, with the potential to be a good high major player with increased strength and quickness.
+1
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From what I've read, he certainly seems like a kid who can play with an Ahmed at the 3/4 slots and you won't get killed on the boards/inside if you have a Sima there. But who knows until we actually see how he adjusts to the college game.
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From what I've read, he certainly seems like a kid who can play with an Ahmed at the 3/4 slots and you won't get killed on the boards/inside if you have a Sima there. But who knows until we actually see how he adjusts to the college game.
Frontcourt would be very dynamic with Sima Owens Amar Yakwe Freudenberg and Ahmed.
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Impact player right away? Starter?
I hear staff thinks he is an impact player. Starter? We'll see.
Is he more of a 3 or 4?
From what I read & from game tape samples, he looks like a 3 or stretch 4 occasionally.
Hey guys remember he is real young may not be finished growing
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Impact player right away? Starter?
I hear staff thinks he is an impact player. Starter? We'll see.
Is he more of a 3 or 4?
From what I read & from game tape samples, he looks like a 3 or stretch 4 occasionally.
Hey guys remember he real young may not be finished growing
He's already 6'9" without shoes apparently... I'll take 6'10"+ sith shoes on the court and day for a kid with his ability. Kid has long arms and really high smooth release. Good athlete and crafty. Would be a great pickup. We will have a very skilled and long frontcourt next season..
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Paultz why isn't this official yet?
Thanks in advance
All the best!
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Paultz why isn't this official yet?
Thanks in advance
All the best!
Freudenberg family read this site today. All the worst to you as well Mouse! :)
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He's signing. Relax
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He's signing. Relax
Missed the joke Baldi? Moose & I just playing man.
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He's signing. Relax
Missed the joke Baldi? Moose & I just playing man.
Guess Ricky doesn't do redmen.
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Impact player right away? Starter?
I hear staff thinks he is an impact player. Starter? We'll see.
Is he more of a 3 or 4?
From what I read & from game tape samples, he looks like a 3 or stretch 4 occasionally.
Hey guys remember he is real young may not be finished growing
I'm not worried about his height. Needs to gain weight and put on muscle. But, that will come.
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He's signing. Relax
Missed the joke Baldi? Moose & I just playing man.
I missed the joke?
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He's signing. Relax
Missed the joke Baldi? Moose & I just playing man.
I missed the joke?
The exchange between Moose & me. Let's just move on.
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Impact player right away? Starter?
I hear staff thinks he is an impact player. Starter? We'll see.
Is he more of a 3 or 4?
From what I read & from game tape samples, he looks like a 3 or stretch 4 occasionally.
Hey guys remember he real young may not be finished growing
He's already 6'9" without shoes apparently... I'll take 6'10"+ sith shoes on the court and day for a kid with his ability. Kid has long arms and really high smooth release. Good athlete and crafty. Would be a great pickup. We will have a very skilled and long frontcourt next season..
Porzingas junior
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U like that we have a nice mix of foreign and American players. There are some good programs who have used this model to their advantage. This could become a great pipeline into Europe for years for the staff.
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Impact player right away? Starter?
I hear staff thinks he is an impact player. Starter? We'll see.
Is he more of a 3 or 4?
From what I read & from game tape samples, he looks like a 3 or stretch 4 occasionally.
Hey guys remember he is real young may not be finished growing
I'm not worried about his height. Needs to gain weight and put on muscle. But, that will come.
Weight and muscle is overrated. Basketball skill and smarts isn't. Anybody can put on muscle. If we have a 6'10" kid that can shoot and has skills, we are in good shape. Rebounding etc is more about positioning and aggressiveness than muscle anyway. In addition, he won't be guarding the 5-spot and we have some other good rebounders like Sima, Yakwe etc to help.
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I know everybody looks good in YouTube highlight videos but damn this kid has perfect form on his shot
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be nice to have a bigman who can make freethrows, agreed that his form is great and he looks like he has a first step
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http://www.eurohopes.com/news/6185/the_emergence_of_german_prospects_chapter_i_part_1
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Impact player right away? Starter?
I hear staff thinks he is an impact player. Starter? We'll see.
Is he more of a 3 or 4?
From what I read & from game tape samples, he looks like a 3 or stretch 4 occasionally.
Hey guys remember he is real young may not be finished growing
I'm not worried about his height. Needs to gain weight and put on muscle. But, that will come.
Weight and muscle is overrated. Basketball skill and smarts isn't. Anybody can put on muscle. If we have a 6'10" kid that can shoot and has skills, we are in good shape. Rebounding etc is more about positioning and aggressiveness than muscle anyway. In addition, he won't be guarding the 5-spot and we have some other good rebounders like Sima, Yakwe etc to help.
Don't repeat this nugget of wisdom to Mussini.
He's a perfect example of why muscle and a little weight matter.
It's not the end of the world that he's thin. But I don't dismiss any one attribute out of hand so easily, and I'm leery of anyone who does. We've seen what recruiting just athletes does. We've seen what recruiting size does (coker, Evans etc). And we've had undersized guys like hardy with all the skill in the world.
At the end of the day, good players, and coincidentally good teams, are a mix of all the above.
Freudenberg would be a great addition. But he still needs to beef up.
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Impact player right away? Starter?
I hear staff thinks he is an impact player. Starter? We'll see.
Is he more of a 3 or 4?
From what I read & from game tape samples, he looks like a 3 or stretch 4 occasionally.
Hey guys remember he is real young may not be finished growing
I'm not worried about his height. Needs to gain weight and put on muscle. But, that will come.
Weight and muscle is overrated. Basketball skill and smarts isn't. Anybody can put on muscle. If we have a 6'10" kid that can shoot and has skills, we are in good shape. Rebounding etc is more about positioning and aggressiveness than muscle anyway. In addition, he won't be guarding the 5-spot and we have some other good rebounders like Sima, Yakwe etc to help.
Don't repeat this nugget of wisdom to Mussini.
He's a perfect example of why muscle and a little weight matter.
It's not the end of the world that he's thin. But I don't dismiss any one attribute out of hand so easily, and I'm leery of anyone who does. We've seen what recruiting just athletes does. We've seen what recruiting size does (coker, Evans etc). And we've had undersized guys like hardy with all the skill in the world.
At the end of the day, good players, and coincidentally good teams, are a mix of all the above.
Freudenberg would be a great addition. But he still needs to beef up.
It probably would be better if he was a little bigger but its not the end of the world. People thought steph curry and durant were too thin. They'll beef him up if need be
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Mussini's issue is if anything speed and height. Nothing to do with muscle IMHO. Freudenberg is a good athlete and has excellent height. With his skill set, the muscle part isn't a huge deal IMO. He will add muscle over time.
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The way the NBA game has evolved, and with the NBA style CM wants to play, shooting is a vitally important skill It's great to see that the current staff considers it important, especially after SJU's years of preferring "athletes" over shooters. If Freudenberg can shoot the way he's shooting in Europe, the coaching staff will find ways to maximize his abilities.
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Mussini's issue is if anything speed and height. Nothing to do with muscle IMHO. Freudenberg is a good athlete and has excellent height. With his skill set, the muscle part isn't a huge deal IMO. He will add muscle over time.
In open space Mussini is very quick. Its getting bumped that bothers hinders him most.
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Zagora tweet;
.@franfraschilla also said he expects St. John's to land German @RichardFreudenB
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Zagora tweet;
.@franfraschilla also said he expects St. John's to land German @RichardFreudenB
Jeez, can we get the official word before Sunday to take the sting out of the beatdown ?
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Zagora tweet;
.@franfraschilla also said he expects St. John's to land German @RichardFreudenB
Jeez, can we get the official word before Sunday to take the sting out of the beatdown ?
No, but close
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Zagora tweet;
.@franfraschilla also said he expects St. John's to land German @RichardFreudenB
Jeez, can we get the official word before Sunday to take the sting out of the beatdown ?
No, but close
Maybe it will be the salve on the wound.
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Sensing next week
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Thanks Paultzman as always
To bad it couldn't be a package deal with adkins who I think we go to Arizona
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https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/693506642781016064
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Sensing Thursday
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Sensing Thursday
Like this Thursday - February 4, 2016 ? What time ? ( Where are the smiley face icons - can't find them )
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Sensing Thursday
Like this Thursday - February 4, 2016 ? What time ? ( Where are the smiley face icons - can't find them )
2017 :)
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Sunny tomorrow
RF tweet;
The wait is over! #decisions
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Sunny tomorrow
RF tweet;
The wait is over! #decisions
Welcome. Your papers
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Sunny tomorrow
RF tweet;
The wait is over! #decisions
How does it look.
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Maverick Rowan who?
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Sunny tomorrow
RF tweet;
The wait is over! #decisions
How does it look.
He will be a Johnny tomorrow is my sense.
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Sunny tomorrow
RF tweet;
The wait is over! #decisions
How does it look.
He will be a Johnny tomorrow is my sense.
😎
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Matt Abdelmassih @mabde33 2m2 minutes ago
Incredible effort for 40 mins. It will pay off. Guys are battling every minute Onto the next. BIG PROGRAM day tomorrow #BrickByBrick #sjubb
What could he possibly be referring to?
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Matt Abdelmassih @mabde33 2m2 minutes ago
Incredible effort for 40 mins. It will pay off. Guys are battling every minute Onto the next. BIG PROGRAM day tomorrow #BrickByBrick #sjubb
What could he possibly be referring to?
Practice for the Butler game?
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Matt Abdelmassih @mabde33 2m2 minutes ago
Incredible effort for 40 mins. It will pay off. Guys are battling every minute Onto the next. BIG PROGRAM day tomorrow #BrickByBrick #sjubb
What could he possibly be referring to?
[/quoteMatt Abdelmassih @mabde33 2m2 minutes ago
Incredible effort for 40 mins. It will pay off. Guys are battling every minute Onto the next. BIG PROGRAM day tomorrow #BrickByBrick #sjubb
What could he possibly be referring to?
Can't wait to get the news.. We are fighting and well coached... Now the talent part.
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Matt Abdelmassih @mabde33 2m2 minutes ago
Incredible effort for 40 mins. It will pay off. Guys are battling every minute Onto the next. BIG PROGRAM day tomorrow #BrickByBrick #sjubb
What could he possibly be referring to?
Guess that makes it official. Matt A is a beast, guy is a killer recruiter.
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Where would Freudenberg be ranked in the top 100?
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Looks like great news tomorrow. God, we need it!
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Where would Freudenberg be ranked in the top 100?
247 ranked him 51
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4 star level player apparently. Yes, this is done.
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http://247sports.com/Player/Richard-Freudenberg-85519
247 is my favorite site. Don't put much stock into the predictions but there rankings are really good and include juco and foreign players. Where would Freudenberg be ranked in the top 100?
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https://youtu.be/Yop62wQH498
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http://247sports.com/Player/Richard-Freudenberg-85519
247 is my favorite site. Don't put much stock into the predictions but there rankings are really good and include juco and foreign players. Where would Freudenberg be ranked in the top 100?
Completely agree. I don't know what happened to Scout and Rivals neglects basketball for football
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To you guys who knew he would announce tomorrow...how did you know? ???
Amped.
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http://247sports.com/Player/Richard-Freudenberg-85519
247 is my favorite site. Don't put much stock into the predictions but there rankings are really good and include juco and foreign players. Where would Freudenberg be ranked in the top 100?
Completely agree. I don't know what happened to Scout and Rivals neglects basketball for football
A lot of the rivals guys I believe went to 24/7. Or at least the lead writer.
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To you guys who knew he would announce tomorrow...how did you know? ???
Amped.
Tea leaves
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Great to get a player with talent & no eligibility concerns. Very smart kid.
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German star Richard Freudenberg just verbally committed to St. John's, he told Scout | scout.com/college/basket…
Evan Daniel tweet
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6-9 German Forward Richard Freudenberg just committed to St.John's. Kid is a stud. Can really shoot. Very athletic. High basketball IQ.
NBA Prospects tweet
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Thanks to paultzman, who called it from the start.
Since you called it, can you also tell us what kind of player he is?
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HUGE!! Just made my day!!!!!
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Thanks to paultzman, who called it from the start.
Since you called it, can you also tell us what kind of player he is?
Weaknesses:
-A little bit one dimensional at this stage. Shot more 3s than 2s. Only got to free throw line four times in 174 minutes
-Doesn't have advanced ball-handling skills in the half-court
-Only 21/71 from beyond the arc (30%) in 25 FIBA and Euroleague ANGT games thus far. Has a pretty stroke, but isn't terribly consistent with it at this stage
-Has only dished out 8 assists compared with 51 turnovers in FIBA/ANGT play.
-Lacks some toughness defensively. Struggles to get in a low stance and contain smaller wing players. Doesn't always fight through screens
-Needs to become more physical as he matures and his body fills out
[ed note: forgot the link]
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Richard-Freudenberg-73259/
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http://nypost.com/2016/02/04/st-johns-lands-highly-touted-german-forward/
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Great Job again here Paultz!!! Great News to start the day off...Help is on the Way...Now Full Court Press on Rawle
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http://nypost.com/2016/02/04/st-johns-lands-highly-touted-german-forward/
Thanks Paultzman. You hit the nail right on the head. Thanks Matt A. Great job.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/evandaniels/status/695245735051169793
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Zach B tweet
Also, this addition gives #sjubb the No. 1 class in Big East and No. 17 in country according to 247sports.com
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Outstanding news. Great job staff. Welcome abouard RF.
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Richard Freudenberg – @RichardFreudenb
It's a done deal! Happy to be a part of the #SJUBB family ⚪️🔴
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Great job. And maybe we're not done yet.
Hopefully we get Sima back soon and get a few wins to build confidence for Mussini/Sima/Yakwe/Ellison going into the summer.
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herzlich willkommen
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NBADraftProspects – @draftprosnba
Freudenberg's shooting mechanics are excellent. Can shoot the lights out. Not tough to call him an NBA prospect.
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Welcome Richard and great job staff!
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As much as I'm happy getting RF, let's not expect him to kill it in his first year. As noted by many, it is rare freshmen can be key guys initially. In time, I suspect he will be a solid player from comments of guys like Fran & Givony who actually see the kids play.
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anybody have a link to a good highlight package of RF?
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Way to go Matt & Co and welcome Richard!
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Brick by brick, welcome to the program Rich!
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NBADraftProspects – @draftprosnba
Freudenberg's shooting mechanics are excellent. Can shoot the lights out. Not tough to call him an NBA prospect.
The beauty is that we will finally have the depth to bring a developing talent like this along at an appropriate pace.
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NBADraftProspects – @draftprosnba
Freudenberg's shooting mechanics are excellent. Can shoot the lights out. Not tough to call him an NBA prospect.
The beauty is that we will finally have the depth to bring a developing talent like this along at an appropriate pace.
Exactly
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Thanks to paultzman, who called it from the start.
Since you called it, can you also tell us what kind of player he is?
Weaknesses:
-A little bit one dimensional at this stage. Shot more 3s than 2s. Only got to free throw line four times in 174 minutes
-Doesn't have advanced ball-handling skills in the half-court
-Only 21/71 from beyond the arc (30%) in 25 FIBA and Euroleague ANGT games thus far. Has a pretty stroke, but isn't terribly consistent with it at this stage
-Has only dished out 8 assists compared with 51 turnovers in FIBA/ANGT play.
-Lacks some toughness defensively. Struggles to get in a low stance and contain smaller wing players. Doesn't always fight through screens
-Needs to become more physical as he matures and his body fills out
[ed note: forgot the link]
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Richard-Freudenberg-73259/
Good to put this in perspective. He's really young and won't be expected to be a savior his first couple of years.
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Doug Gottlieb tweet;
Chris Mullin signed a German star recruit- told me this year that foreign kids tend to be more appreciative,better teammates,about winning
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Thanks to paultzman, who called it from the start.
Since you called it, can you also tell us what kind of player he is?
Weaknesses:
-A little bit one dimensional at this stage. Shot more 3s than 2s. Only got to free throw line four times in 174 minutes
-Doesn't have advanced ball-handling skills in the half-court
-Only 21/71 from beyond the arc (30%) in 25 FIBA and Euroleague ANGT games thus far. Has a pretty stroke, but isn't terribly consistent with it at this stage
-Has only dished out 8 assists compared with 51 turnovers in FIBA/ANGT play.
-Lacks some toughness defensively. Struggles to get in a low stance and contain smaller wing players. Doesn't always fight through screens
-Needs to become more physical as he matures and his body fills out
[ed note: forgot the link]
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Richard-Freudenberg-73259/
Good to put this in perspective. He's really young and won't be expected to be a savior his first couple of years.
When we have our full team, nix injuries and academics, we don't need a savior. Just a bunch of solid good basketball IQ kids who will develop.
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What a nice feeling to almost be playing with house money at this point as opposed to putting all our hopes and dreams on one kid.
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Still need a big who could get us an easy bucket or two down low. No one fits that description on next years projected roster.
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Still need a big who could get us an easy bucket or two down low. No on fits that description on next years projected roster.
Perhaps a fifth year transfer.
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Still need a big who could get us an easy bucket or two down low. No one fits that description on next years projected roster.
Not banking on it next year, but Sima could develop into that guy - hoping for junior year we feel that way about him, but he could surprise us.
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Still need a big who could get us an easy bucket or two down low. No on fits that description on next years projected roster.
Perhaps a fifth year transfer.
I have not seen Owens play, so don't know if he could help there.
Can't believe I am saying this but Jones could help out in this regard. Sorry for those of you pushing him out the door.
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Still need a big who could get us an easy bucket or two down low. No one fits that description on next years projected roster.
Yes. A 6'10" 260 banger. Like that Farr kid last night or Angel Rodriguez. Doesn't even need to be as good as that. Just be a banger.
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10 rebounds....a good, solid five fouls clogging the middle...some weight...some muscle......a real upper body....spelling Sima, Yakwe, Owens.......Ali plus 20lbs of muscle?
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VERBAL COMMIT TODAY, SEE NY POST......HUUUGE!!!!
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Still need a big who could get us an easy bucket or two down low. No on fits that description on next years projected roster.
Perhaps a fifth year transfer.
I have not seen Owens play, so don't know if he could help there.
Can't believe I am saying this but Jones could help out in this regard. Sorry for those of you pushing him out the door.
I was going to post something similar and I did not like Jones coming into this year. Still don't think you can count on him for an easy basket. But he really has improved this year. Hes our only big that is a physical specimen and will not get out muscled. Wont push him out the door so fast. But, If we get Thon and Alkins ,I would be willing to say hasta la vista.
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Still need a big who could get us an easy bucket or two down low. No on fits that description on next years projected roster.
Perhaps a fifth year transfer.
I have not seen Owens play, so don't know if he could help there.
Can't believe I am saying this but Jones could help out in this regard. Sorry for those of you pushing him out the door.
I was going to post something similar and I did not like Jones coming into this year. Still don't think you can count on him for an easy basket. But he really has improved this year. Hes our only big that is a physical specimen and will not get out muscled. Wont push him out the door so fast. But, If we get Thon and Alkins ,I would be willing to say hasta la vista.
Jones is not a player that you can throw the ball in and have him get two easy points via a post up. At least not regularly. However his skill set is different then any of our other bigs and does possess the best offensive game 15 feet and in.
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Still need a big who could get us an easy bucket or two down low. No on fits that description on next years projected roster.
Perhaps a fifth year transfer.
I have not seen Owens play, so don't know if he could help there.
Can't believe I am saying this but Jones could help out in this regard. Sorry for those of you pushing him out the door.
I was going to post something similar and I did not like Jones coming into this year. Still don't think you can count on him for an easy basket. But he really has improved this year. Hes our only big that is a physical specimen and will not get out muscled. Wont push him out the door so fast. But, If we get Thon and Alkins ,I would be willing to say hasta la vista.
Jones is not a player that you can throw the ball in and have him get two easy points via a post up. At least not regularly. However his skill set is different then any of our other bigs and does possess the best offensive game 15 feet and in.
That little jump hook he has is not bad. No one is saying your boy is Charles Barkley but he is the only big we have who wouldn't have sand kicked in his face at the beach
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Still need a big who could get us an easy bucket or two down low. No on fits that description on next years projected roster.
Perhaps a fifth year transfer.
I have not seen Owens play, so don't know if he could help there.
Can't believe I am saying this but Jones could help out in this regard. Sorry for those of you pushing him out the door.
I was going to post something similar and I did not like Jones coming into this year. Still don't think you can count on him for an easy basket. But he really has improved this year. Hes our only big that is a physical specimen and will not get out muscled. Wont push him out the door so fast. But, If we get Thon and Alkins ,I would be willing to say hasta la vista.
Jones is not a player that you can throw the ball in and have him get two easy points via a post up. At least not regularly. However his skill set is different then any of our other bigs and does possess the best offensive game 15 feet and in.
That little jump hook he has is not bad. No one is saying your boy is Charles Barkley but he is the only big we have who wouldn't have sand kicked in his face at the beach
hahah!
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Welcome to the SJU family Richard, can't wait to see you shoot it next year.
How many ships are left for next year?
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Assuming no eligibility issues or guys leaving early or getting pushed out: none. Felix, Ron, Deron leave replaced by Ponds, Ahmed, Freudenberg....plus Lovett, Owens.
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So lets just say if Alkins and Maker wanted to come (yeah I know it's a a long shot, but just gonna say it.), we'll get 2 guys to transfer?
I know if they both wanted to come, then they'd be here.
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He looks like a great addition. Hammer to rock. Oh, wait.
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So lets just say if Alkins and Maker wanted to come (yeah I know it's a a long shot, but just gonna say it.), we'll get 2 guys to transfer?
I know if they both wanted to come, then they'd be here.
We still have one more open ship for next year unless i am mistaken.
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So lets just say if Alkins and Maker wanted to come (yeah I know it's a a long shot, but just gonna say it.), we'll get 2 guys to transfer?
I know if they both wanted to come, then they'd be here.
We still have one more open ship for next year unless i am mistaken.
Correct--12 scholarship players this year including Lovett and Owens. 3 complete eligibility plus one that was open from this year.
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So lets just say if Alkins and Maker wanted to come (yeah I know it's a a long shot, but just gonna say it.), we'll get 2 guys to transfer?
I know if they both wanted to come, then they'd be here.
We still have one more open ship for next year unless i am mistaken.
Correct--12 scholarship players this year including Lovett and Owens. 3 complete eligibility plus one that was open from this year.
TY. I assume someone will transfer, and the 2 ships would be on hold for Rawle and Maker I assume.
If one didn't want in at SJU, then Matt would go after a transfer is what I'm thinking.
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⚪️🔴 https://twitter.com/hashtag/fromMUCtoNYC?src=hash
Statement from Richard
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Welcome Richard, Weiss biers and jaegerschnitzel will be flying at Stammtisch!
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Great job Matt. When is Slice going to wheel in a recruit
Paultzman great job as always Adkins next
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Very well said by Richard. So glad there wont be eligibility issues with him
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Welcome to the big city Richard!
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Great job Matt. When is Slice going to wheel in a recruit
Paultzman great job as always Adkins next
Fire Slice
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The James Southerland role
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Moose - I was just asking a question
That is the second time you gave me a wise ass answer
I don't appreciate it
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Moose - I was just asking a question
That is the second time you gave me a wise ass answer
I don't appreciate it
Just twice?
I guess I'm slacking.
*And you should know my posting style is laced with sarcasm.
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http://youtu.be/gu_zMTQkM1s
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Moose - I was just asking a question
That is the second time you gave me a wise ass answer
I don't appreciate it
Just so you know that's his catch phrase .Don't be offended.
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http://youtu.be/gu_zMTQkM1s
LOL That explains Moose's posts. :)
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⚪️🔴 https://twitter.com/hashtag/fromMUCtoNYC?src=hash
Statement from Richard
Based on this statement one can now completely understand Mussini"s holding off his announcement last year.
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this is huge, we need good news like this during this lost season
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https://twitter.com/richardfreudenb/status/698333935625961472
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Eval of his play this week
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Basketball-Without-Borders-Global-Camp-Evaluations-Guards-and-Wings-5368
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Eval of his play this week
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Basketball-Without-Borders-Global-Camp-Evaluations-Guards-and-Wings-5368
Interesting... many of his weaknesses sound like Mussini's except for the height.
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Keep in mind that RF is still growing and very young -- he won't turn 18 until August 31st.
It's going to take him some time to grow into his body and to adjust to the speed and physicality of the American game
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Who's having second thoughts.
Be honest.
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I guess RF isn't as polished as I initially thought, but with his height I don't think he will have the same problems mussini has had recently.
This stuff is good to know so expectations will be tampered a bit.
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Who's having second thoughts.
Be honest.
About what
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Who's having second thoughts.
Be honest.
Nobody with a brain
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It's much harder to defend a 6'9 outside shooter than one who's 6'1. And RF will have the benefit of being just one of many scoring options on next year's team. He'll be fine. Won't be a star next year, just another piece of the puzzle.
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2616758-nba-draft-notebook-french-phenom-steals-show-at-nbas-bwb-showcase
I like this blurb better :). You have to scroll down a bit to see the notes on freudenberg but i like this outlook on the camp.
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
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Some SJU fans are so chronically disappointed that they have nutty expectations of new players. If this kid is a high quality player in year three be happy. If he progresses more quickly, that's gravy. "Dirk"is not who will set foot in CA in year one. Give him time.
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So, Marcus LoVett won't be an All American next year? :D
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
Some criticize a first year coach but forget what got us here
Carry on!
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
Some criticize a first year coach but forget what got us here
Carry on!
It's unfair to put all of the blame on Mullin for our winless BE record, but he and his staff should get some of it, no?
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
Some criticize a first year coach but forget what got us here
Carry on!
It's unfair to put all of the blame on Mullin for our winless BE record, but he and his staff should get some of it, no?
Sure if you want. Not being cavalier. If you want to place some blame sure.
I just find it funny some people would defend Lavin but kill Mullin. That's all.
Me personally I DGAF about this year. It's been over for awhile in my mind. I have my standards for next year and funny most will probably think they are too lofty. But I just know how the sooner you're good the better it will make things long term. The longer it takes the more chance of things happening to derail things.
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
Some criticize a first year coach but forget what got us here
Carry on!
It's unfair to put all of the blame on Mullin for our winless BE record, but he and his staff should get some of it, no?
Sure if you want. Not being cavalier. If you want to place some blame sure.
I just find it funny some people would defend Lavin but kill Mullin. That's all.
Me personally I DGAF about this year. It's been over for awhile in my mind. I have my standards for next year and funny most will probably think they are too lofty. But I just know how the sooner you're good the better it will make things long term. The longer it takes the more chance of things happening to derail things.
Except we've gone through so many 5 year plans that left us in worse shape then when we began, that it's understandably scary to get an 0' fer. The big difference is we've never had a recruiting combo quite like Slice and Matt.
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Unlike college football, 1 or 2 good recruiting classes can quickly turn around a college BB team's fortunes
I agree with Moose and expect us to be much better sooner rather than later
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
Some criticize a first year coach but forget what got us here
Carry on!
It's unfair to put all of the blame on Mullin for our winless BE record, but he and his staff should get some of it, no?
Sure if you want. Not being cavalier. If you want to place some blame sure.
I just find it funny some people would defend Lavin but kill Mullin. That's all.
Me personally I DGAF about this year. It's been over for awhile in my mind. I have my standards for next year and funny most will probably think they are too lofty. But I just know how the sooner you're good the better it will make things long term. The longer it takes the more chance of things happening to derail things.
Except we've gone through so many 5 year plans that left us in worse shape then when we began, that it's understandably scary to get an 0' fer. The big difference is we've never had a recruiting combo quite like Slice and Matt.
That's my point. 5 year plans are BS. You get set back. You need to win quick and get the ball rolling in the right direction. Making the tournament in year 4 for the first time is not good.
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You really never know how a foreign kid's game will translate in America. That said, I feel better about RF because he has + athletic ability and fantastic size and length. He's played against a very high level of competition and always seems to hold his own or better in spite of almost always being the youngest player.
Worst case, he is a stretch four and occassional three to spread the floor and provide offense in a platoon with Yakwe and his d and rebounding. I think the floor is really high with him and he is clearly a better prospect than any of our other foreign players in recent memory.
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
Some criticize a first year coach but forget what got us here
Carry on!
It's unfair to put all of the blame on Mullin for our winless BE record, but he and his staff should get some of it, no?
Sure if you want. Not being cavalier. If you want to place some blame sure.
I just find it funny some people would defend Lavin but kill Mullin. That's all.
Me personally I DGAF about this year. It's been over for awhile in my mind. I have my standards for next year and funny most will probably think they are too lofty. But I just know how the sooner you're good the better it will make things long term. The longer it takes the more chance of things happening to derail things.
And you expect us to be good next year? I don't! We will be better because we can't be this bad. Good is a winning record. I think we fall well short of that. And again many will blame the former coach.
Please share your standards.
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
Some criticize a first year coach but forget what got us here
Carry on!
It's unfair to put all of the blame on Mullin for our winless BE record, but he and his staff should get some of it, no?
Sure if you want. Not being cavalier. If you want to place some blame sure.
I just find it funny some people would defend Lavin but kill Mullin. That's all.
Me personally I DGAF about this year. It's been over for awhile in my mind. I have my standards for next year and funny most will probably think they are too lofty. But I just know how the sooner you're good the better it will make things long term. The longer it takes the more chance of things happening to derail things.
And you expect us to be good next year? I don't! We will be better because we can't be this bad. Good is a winning record. I think we fall well short of that. And again many will blame the former coach.
Please share your standards.
8 of the 10 Big East teams have a winning record, that's not much of an accomplishment. I think we will have a winning record next year with for sure. We are going to have a huge influx of talent for next year. Granted it's a lot of young talent but just look at Marquette and I think we will have a similar record to them next year.
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I hope the staff adds a strong X's and O's coach this offseason. I know it's not likely with Richmond on the staff but they really need some good in-game coaching. We've seen numerous mid major type programs around the country who've become high major like Butler and Wichita St. because of great coaching.
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In my opinion, anyone who states that we won't have a winning record next year has no appreciation for the transformational talent coming in next year. Barring injury and ineligibility, I expect a .500 record in conference next year. The upgrade in guard talent is immense.
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I hope the staff adds a strong X's and O's coach this offseason. I know it's not likely with Richmond on the staff but they really need some good in-game coaching. We've seen numerous mid major type programs around the country who've become high major like Butler and Wichita St. because of great coaching.
I don't see that happening as long as St. Jean is there. Mullin seems loyal to him and in time I think St. Jean will be solid. Seems made for coaching based on pedigree and has strong academic background.
What is the official max allotment of coaches ? Does Richmond's more limited role as special asst. take the spot of another assistant coach like Slice, MA or St. Jean?
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
Some criticize a first year coach but forget what got us here
Carry on!
It's unfair to put all of the blame on Mullin for our winless BE record, but he and his staff should get some of it, no?
Sure if you want. Not being cavalier. If you want to place some blame sure.
I just find it funny some people would defend Lavin but kill Mullin. That's all.
Me personally I DGAF about this year. It's been over for awhile in my mind. I have my standards for next year and funny most will probably think they are too lofty. But I just know how the sooner you're good the better it will make things long term. The longer it takes the more chance of things happening to derail things.
And you expect us to be good next year? I don't! We will be better because we can't be this bad. Good is a winning record. I think we fall well short of that. And again many will blame the former coach.
Please share your standards.
I don't expect to do anything but pay taxes and die. Oh and I guess be disappointed by SJU. Those are the only things I expect.
As others have pointed being Top 6 in the conference is not exactly a monumental task. We need to be top 6. If we aren't then I wonder about the makeup of the team and who leaves for whatever reason whether we agree it's the right move or not.
Now if we are top 6 and either bubble or NIT then the good times keep snowballing and we parlay that into even bigger year 3 and 4 and we don't have to build up for 1 bid.
Hope my standards sit well with you ;)
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
Some criticize a first year coach but forget what got us here
Carry on!
It's unfair to put all of the blame on Mullin for our winless BE record, but he and his staff should get some of it, no?
Sure if you want. Not being cavalier. If you want to place some blame sure.
I just find it funny some people would defend Lavin but kill Mullin. That's all.
Me personally I DGAF about this year. It's been over for awhile in my mind. I have my standards for next year and funny most will probably think they are too lofty. But I just know how the sooner you're good the better it will make things long term. The longer it takes the more chance of things happening to derail things.
And you expect us to be good next year? I don't! We will be better because we can't be this bad. Good is a winning record. I think we fall well short of that. And again many will blame the former coach.
Please share your standards.
we get it Tony. you are a huge Lavin fan over and over and think the staff would have rolled this year with Opekpa , Jordan, Sampson, ect. The school made a decision to move foward. Truthfully I dont blame SL. Cancer can have a profound effect on your priorities and life outlook. The staff on the other hand , well they just stole money truthfully. We all know this year is toast. Next year we will be over .500 , maybe not in the conference but overall. You seem to forget we lack a point guard this whole season. SJU is like the knicks and Calderon. Slow non athletic point that can shoot it ( until lately) and gets burned on D over and over. That puts alot of pressure on everyone else on D to recover. Lets wait till we have all the pieces and then decide. If we can NIT in 17 and NCAA in 18 this train will be rolling and we will never have this conversation again.
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
Some criticize a first year coach but forget what got us here
Carry on!
It's unfair to put all of the blame on Mullin for our winless BE record, but he and his staff should get some of it, no?
Sure if you want. Not being cavalier. If you want to place some blame sure.
I just find it funny some people would defend Lavin but kill Mullin. That's all.
Me personally I DGAF about this year. It's been over for awhile in my mind. I have my standards for next year and funny most will probably think they are too lofty. But I just know how the sooner you're good the better it will make things long term. The longer it takes the more chance of things happening to derail things.
Fair enough. I actually think Lavin has been defended and ridiculed pretty fairly on this board. He wasn't the answer for several reasons, but he also deserves credit for some of the best moments we've had as fans in a long time.
As far as Mullin goes, as awful as this season has been, As I look at the big picture (In terms of what could be) I don't think we can judge him, or really any coach, until we see what they are trying to show us. Next season, a big jump is important. I agree the longer it takes, the less likely it is. We saw it with Roberts. That said, next season can't be blamed on eligibility issues, injuries or a lack of time.
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I hope the staff adds a strong X's and O's coach this offseason. I know it's not likely with Richmond on the staff but they really need some good in-game coaching. We've seen numerous mid major type programs around the country who've become high major like Butler and Wichita St. because of great coaching.
I don't see that happening as long as St. Jean is there. Mullin seems loyal to him and in time I think St. Jean will be solid. Seems made for coaching based on pedigree and has strong academic background.
What is the official max allotment of coaches ? Does Richmond's more limited role as special asst. take the spot of another assistant coach like Slice, MA or St. Jean?
I also think St. Jean can be good in time. However Richmond is the question mark. Not sure on max # of coaches and I'm also not sure if he can be replaced with a full time asst. coach or just special asst.
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I kind of just wanted to get answer from moose . Wasn't really trying to start a Lavin debate. Top 6 is fine with me. I hope we get there. I am not as anti Mullin as some think. I just find it absurd that he gets so much praise. Giving him a pass is fine. Pass equals = incomplete. Not A pending A plus.
Top 6 for next year should be realistic. Not expecting that. If Mullin gets us there he deserves all the praise and credit. If he falls WAY short, he takes the blame.
My hope for next year is we get a basketball season. If Mullin can do that and the team improves and we are good every year. I will be loyal to him I don't love Lavin. But he gave me 5 years of fun basketball . That is the longest stretch in my lifetime.
Plenty of things to fix for next year. Butler, Xavier, creighton and nova are really well coached.
Even DePaul is coached much better then years past. I think everyone is going to be disappointed tomorrow.
the young guy doesn't look like the problem to me. He just needs plenty of help.
I have no idea, but 2 recruiters out of 4 coaches seems like a lot. I have no idea what happens at practice but they are not impressive during games.
Thank you moose for answering my question . :-*
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
Some criticize a first year coach but forget what got us here
Carry on!
It's unfair to put all of the blame on Mullin for our winless BE record, but he and his staff should get some of it, no?
Sure if you want. Not being cavalier. If you want to place some blame sure.
I just find it funny some people would defend Lavin but kill Mullin. That's all.
Me personally I DGAF about this year. It's been over for awhile in my mind. I have my standards for next year and funny most will probably think they are too lofty. But I just know how the sooner you're good the better it will make things long term. The longer it takes the more chance of things happening to derail things.
And you expect us to be good next year? I don't! We will be better because we can't be this bad. Good is a winning record. I think we fall well short of that. And again many will blame the former coach.
Please share your standards.
You can't say that a car without an engine or missing two wheels won't run well once it gets those parts just because it isn't currently running. There is no use trying to predict anything for next year off of this group, because there are too many damn holes. This is the least athletic team in the league, they are playing short-handed, they have very little experience together, and they aren't particularly skilled as a team.
Lovett will be a redshirt soph. He was ready from day one this year and he'll be shot out of a cannon day 1 next year. Owens will be a redshirt soph. Ahmed will be a junior. RF plays at the professional level and at the top camps around the world. Ponds is a small guard and they are frequently ready from day one--especially those ranked inside the top 40 with no shortage of skill. Plus, the staff should be exponentially better and more prepared.
At the very least, this team will go from the absolute bottom of the league athletically to very near or at the top, and they are adding scoring, shooting, ball-handling, size, and depth in process. Let's just keep an open mind and remain positive. I am not saying we should expect this, but would anyone really be THAT surprised if Lovett or Ponds just went nuts from day one and dominated? Or if they just both played really well in the same back court? I wouldn't.
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I kind of just wanted to get answer from moose . Wasn't really trying to start a Lavin debate. Top 6 is fine with me. I hope we get there. I am not as anti Mullin as some think. I just find it absurd that he gets so much praise. Giving him a pass is fine. Pass equals = incomplete. Not A pending A plus.
Top 6 for next year should be realistic. Not expecting that. If Mullin gets us there he deserves all the praise and credit. If he falls WAY short, he takes the blame.
My hope for next year is we get a basketball season. If Mullin can do that and the team improves and we are good every year. I will be loyal to him I don't love Lavin. But he gave me 5 years of fun basketball . That is the longest stretch in my lifetime.
Plenty of things to fix for next year. Butler, Xavier, creighton and nova are really well coached.
Even DePaul is coached much better then years past. I think everyone is going to be disappointed tomorrow.
the young guy doesn't look like the problem to me. He just needs plenty of help.
I have no idea, but 2 recruiters out of 4 coaches seems like a lot. I have no idea what happens at practice but they are not impressive during games.
Thank you moose for answering my question . :-*
Anytime sweetheart ;)
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6-9 and great form, athletic.... he will learn rapidly. By his junior year he will be excellent. Why would anyone have 2nd thoughts?
Because there is no group of bipolar fans more than those of SJU
Yeah some were mad last year when we actually won games.
Some criticize a first year coach but forget what got us here
Carry on!
It's unfair to put all of the blame on Mullin for our winless BE record, but he and his staff should get some of it, no?
Sure if you want. Not being cavalier. If you want to place some blame sure.
I just find it funny some people would defend Lavin but kill Mullin. That's all.
Me personally I DGAF about this year. It's been over for awhile in my mind. I have my standards for next year and funny most will probably think they are too lofty. But I just know how the sooner you're good the better it will make things long term. The longer it takes the more chance of things happening to derail things.
And you expect us to be good next year? I don't! We will be better because we can't be this bad. Good is a winning record. I think we fall well short of that. And again many will blame the former coach.
Please share your standards.
You can't say that a car without an engine or missing two wheels won't run well once it gets those parts just because it isn't currently running. There is no use trying to predict anything for next year off of this group, because there are too many damn holes. This is the least athletic team in the league, they are playing short-handed, they have very little experience together, and they aren't particularly skilled as a team.
Lovett will be a redshirt soph. He was ready from day one this year and he'll be shot out of a cannon day 1 next year. Owens will be a redshirt soph. Ahmed will be a junior. RF plays at the professional level and at the top camps around the world. Ponds is a small guard and they are frequently ready from day one--especially those ranked inside the top 40 with no shortage of skill. Plus, the staff should be exponentially better and more prepared.
At the very least, this team will go from the absolute bottom of the league athletically to very near or at the top, and they are adding scoring, shooting, ball-handling, size, and depth in process. Let's just keep an open mind and remain positive. I am not saying we should expect this, but would anyone really be THAT surprised if Lovett or Ponds just went nuts from day one and dominated? Or if they just both played really well in the same back court? I wouldn't.
and as much as big men count, we all know college BB is run by guards like Ullis, ect. We will be fine next season. Top 6 is a nice goal we can aquire for 2017.
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I have no idea what happens at practice but they are not impressive during games.
Hard to look impressive when your talent level is significantly inferior to that of the competition. Let's see how he does with a somewhat level playing field.
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http://newbasketballgeneration.com/freudenberg-college-was-the-best-option-for-me/
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looks like he's 743/1000 (74.3%) for FT's and put out a challenge to Mussini
twitter.com/RichardFreudenb/status/706929102419333120 (http://twitter.com/RichardFreudenb/status/706929102419333120)
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looks like he's 743/1000 (74.3%) for FT's and put out a challenge to Mussini
twitter.com/RichardFreudenb/status/706929102419333120
Looks like Max Hooper's Twitter feed.
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looks like he's 743/1000 (74.3%) for FT's and put out a challenge to Mussini
twitter.com/RichardFreudenb/status/706929102419333120 (http://twitter.com/RichardFreudenb/status/706929102419333120)
Not sure those are FT's ;)
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looks like he's 743/1000 (74.3%) for FT's and put out a challenge to Mussini
twitter.com/RichardFreudenb/status/706929102419333120 (http://twitter.com/RichardFreudenb/status/706929102419333120)
Not sure those are FT's ;)
Yeah, not FT's... Treys...
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I just assumed it was FT's...
.. Mussini had replied "Easy win for me" so with him shooting 86% in games, FT's seemed to make more sense.
75% seems ridiculous.... especially a HS kid even if unguarded in practice but if true I'm not complaining !!!!.
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I just assumed it was FT's...
.. Mussini had replied "Easy win for me" so with him shooting 86% in games, FT's seemed to make more sense.
75% seems ridiculous.... especially a HS kid even if unguarded in practice but if true I'm not complaining !!!!.
Hooper used to post the same thing with better results. We saw how that worked out for us. (This season at Oakland not withstanding)
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I see what you mean... Steph Curry made 77 straight ; 94 out of 100 in practice
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25149489/look-stephen-curry-made-77-straight-threes-in-warriors-practice
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I just assumed it was FT's...
.. Mussini had replied "Easy win for me" so with him shooting 86% in games, FT's seemed to make more sense.
75% seems ridiculous.... especially a HS kid even if unguarded in practice but if true I'm not complaining !!!!.
Hooper used to post the same thing with better results. We saw how that worked out for us. (This season at Oakland not withstanding)
Hooper purely an outside jump shooter though. And Hooper's feet are glued to the court. Freduenberg's are not. He's a pretty dynamic ball player and 6'10" to boot. Hooper's used to be timed to 100 shots as well. Freeudenberg's is clocked for 1000 shots. As the number goes up in sure less go in as well.
The truth of it is, the only real important takeaway is that The kid is taking 1000 shots practicing his outside shooting. That right there is great to see...
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I'm just saying don't expect him to hit a 70% clip
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I'm just saying don't expect him to hit a 70% clip
Definitely wouldn't expect that. But shooting that many and hitting that many, even in practice is a good sign he's working hard at it..
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I'm just saying don't expect him to hit a 70% clip
Thinking higher?
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I'm just saying don't expect him to hit a 70% clip
Thinking higher?
I mean I thought Hooper was gonna be 100% from three bc of these things. Don't be me. Don't be dumb.
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Mussini at 81% at the halfway point to 1000 shots
https://twitter.com/FMussini/status/709479917814222849
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I'm just saying don't expect him to hit a 70% clip
Thinking higher?
I mean I thought Hooper was gonna be 100% from three bc of these things. Don't be me. Don't be dumb.
I was kidding. Hooper relies solely on his teammates to set him up. We head no pure PG or coach, so he was screwed. RF is a basketball player that can create his own looks one-on-one according to several experts that have seen him play. Plus, closing out on a bouncy 6'9 kid is a world harder than on a flat-footed 6'6 shooter that can't and won't hurt you on a shot-fake.
Better to see 74 now than not, but game situation is a different world.
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Mussini at 81% at the halfway point to 1000 shots
https://twitter.com/FMussini/status/709479917814222849
Yeah but 500 more is a lot of shots! Real world implications, Mussini is actually a very good shooter but as a 6'0" guard with very limited athleticism, he has trouble finding that shot second half of season. It's understandable. He killed Syracuse because he's built to shoot like that against zones. So for future teams playing us i.e. Syracuse.. Things might not go well for them, especially with 6'10" Freudenberg across the way who can definitely get those shots off and also take to the dribble.. Oh and scorers like Lovett, Ponds, Ahmed and others... Things are definitely changing entering next season... Lot more scorers...
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Matt A took open questions on twitter today. When asked about the team's most pressing need for next season, he replied, "shot making."
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Matt A took open questions on twitter today. When asked about the team's most pressing need for next season, he replied, "shot making."
Honest answer and he's right... Defense will come with more experience and talent. Defense can be taught. Making shots a different story.
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Matt A took open questions on twitter today. When asked about the team's most pressing need for next season, he replied, "shot making."
Scary answer. Perimeter defense was the biggest weakness the team had this past season and it wasn't even close. We were dead last in the league in defense by three points and 15 ppg back of #1 Nova. Ellison and Mussini have no shot guarding point guards or quick combos. Just by adding Ponds and RF, getting Lovett on the court, and moving Mussini to a better role the made shots will go way up.
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Matt A took open questions on twitter today. When asked about the team's most pressing need for next season, he replied, "shot making."
Scary answer. Perimeter defense was the biggest weakness the team had this past season and it wasn't even close. We were dead last in the league in defense by three points and 15 ppg back of #1 Nova. Ellison and Mussini have no shot guarding point guards or quick combos. Just by adding Ponds and RF, getting Lovett on the court, and moving Mussini to a better role the made shots will go way up.
Can't really judge defense by ppg....we played at the fastest tempo in the conference (by a fair margin), so it should be expected that we would give up more points. Per possession, we were only second to last on D :P
Nova was first at .95 points per possession down to Georgetown in 8th with 1.05. We followed at 1.07 and Depaul was terrible at 1.14.
This is all conference games only. Overall, our defense was middle of the pack. 144th in per possession D. It was our offense that was awful. 309th.
I'm not saying our defense was good, but it wasn't the biggest problem.
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Matt A took open questions on twitter today. When asked about the team's most pressing need for next season, he replied, "shot making."
Scary answer. Perimeter defense was the biggest weakness the team had this past season and it wasn't even close. We were dead last in the league in defense by three points and 15 ppg back of #1 Nova. Ellison and Mussini have no shot guarding point guards or quick combos. Just by adding Ponds and RF, getting Lovett on the court, and moving Mussini to a better role the made shots will go way up.
Can't really judge defense by ppg....we played at the fastest tempo in the conference (by a fair margin), so it should be expected that we would give up more points. Per possession, we were only second to last on D :P
Nova was first at .95 points per possession down to Georgetown in 8th with 1.05. We followed at 1.07 and Depaul was terrible at 1.14.
This is all conference games only. Overall, our defense was middle of the pack. 144th in per possession D. It was our offense that was awful. 309th.
I'm not saying our defense was good, but it wasn't the biggest problem.
Understood. There are more variables involved, but we didn't pass the eye test. We were awful at anticipating and fighting through screens. Ellison and Mussini don't have the lateral speed to guard point guards or combos. They were consistently out-quicked and out-muscled on the perimeter and outmuscled down low.
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Richard Freudenberg – @RichardFreudenb
Tune in on Saturday for our first game vs Japan!! http://www.basketball-bund.de/news/ast-2016-livestream-sportdeutschland-tv-dbb-homepage-159644 … #ge
Give em hell RF. That means good luck we're all rooting for you
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Richard Freudenberg is putting on an early show. Monster block, two 3s, transition dunk and rebounds. Captain of the German U18.
Per NBA Draft Prospects today in tourney game
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Had 18 points,10 rebounds & shot 7/11 in win over Japan today. He played 19 minutes.
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Just caught a few minutes he was playing in third quarter. Like the way he moves around and covers the court. Also has good size and appears to be pretty athletic. Great form on his shot. Good get and when he develops physically should be a real nice player.
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Richard Freudenberg
@RichardFreudenb
Great Team effort today!! Great way to start the tournament!! Tomorrow we're doing the same thing vs Argentina! #teamger #AST16
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https://twitter.com/draftprosnba/status/713858751749627904
Nice little video of some of his highlights from the game
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Richard Freudenberg
@RichardFreudenb
Great Team effort today!! Great way to start the tournament!! Tomorrow we're doing the same thing vs Argentina! #teamger #AST16
Great job RF. Keep it up
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Kid looks athletic and skilled. Very good. We will be happy to have a kid like this.
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https://twitter.com/draftprosnba/status/713858751749627904
Nice little video of some of his highlights from the game
Nice to have a perimeter player with that size.
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Like the way he moves
Something in the way he moves
Attracts me like Anthony Glover
Something in the way she Boos me
I don't want to Steve Shurina now
You know I believe Ben Howland
Yeah yeah yeah
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Like the way he moves
Something in the way he moves
Attracts me like Anthony Glover
Something in the way she Boos me
I don't want to Steve Shurina now
You know I believe Ben Howland
Yeah yeah yeah
LOL
PS forgot to mention he has good swivel in his hips! :)
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Video posted a couple days ago.... Some are clips from previous vids, while there are several other "new" clips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCXks9rXTis
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He reminds me of one of those white long, skilled, duke players that we never land. We landed one once... And even the black one we landed in Rowshown McLeod recognized he was misused and went to Duke where he fit in and lit it up!
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He reminds me of one of those white long, skilled, duke players that we never land. We landed one once... And even the black one we landed in Rowshown McLeod recognized he was misused and went to Duke where he fit in and lit it up!
Don't give RF any ideas. ;) :)
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Kyle Wiltjer esque
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Kyle Wiltjer esque
+1
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Kyle Wiltjer esque
Wiltjer more much more interior skills. RF more of a small forward. KW more power forward in my opinion.
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Kyle Wiltjer esque
Wiltjer more much more interior skills. RF more of a small forward. KW more power forward in my opinion.
Wiltjer might be more savy inside with some of his moves, but RF seems to go stronger to the basket with dunks and moves than KW. Either way, I think it's a solid comparison and I'll take it. Wiltjer is a good player. Freudenberg looks ready to play. Excited to see him here.
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Kyle Wiltjer esque
Wiltjer more much more interior skills. RF more of a small forward. KW more power forward in my opinion.
Wiltjer might be more savy inside with some of his moves, but RF seems to go stronger to the basket with dunks and moves than KW. Either way, I think it's a solid comparison and I'll take it. Wiltjer is a good player. Freudenberg looks ready to play. Excited to see him here.
Wasnt a knock on RF at all. In terms of just style of play he reminds me more of a Brandon Imgram.
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I have a lot of faith that the class of 2020; LoVett, Ponds, and RF, will bring the best 4 year stretch we've had this millennium. That's the way I see the roster coming together.
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Let's pray he becomes even close to Wiltjer -- that kid is a hell of a college bball player and the type of kid who sticks around 3/4 years.
Kyle Wiltjer esque
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And on that note, let's remember that Wiltjer went from a semi-complimentary piece (if that) as a frosh on a great team, to a solid player as a soph, to a very good player as a junior and even better one as a senior. Didn't happen overnight.
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I think more like Kyle Singler
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In rout of Argentina today;
Next double double for Richard Freudenberg today (in just 20 minutes). Made shots and got boards. Really competitive on D. 15 & 10
Per NBA Draft Prospects
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Maybe we finally got lucky. we have a young man coming in who could be a one and done but it appears he has genuine academic goals so he'll be around for a while. Expect we will find him enrolled in the College, Pharmacy. or Tobin
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If he's anything like Wiltjer then we got ourselves a helluva player. He does seem to have better SF skills than Wiltjer as someone alluded to and can attack the basket and finish which is the biggest thing missing from this current group.
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Let's not get crazy here. He's 17 years old and has never played against American competition, let alone Big east upperclassmen. While he is seen as possibly having pro potential, those evaluating him see that as far down the road.
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David Hein – @heinnews
Albert Schweitzer Tournament Day Two review: Germany roll again, USA need OT to beat China http://www.heinnews.com/basketball/nba/albert-schweitzer-tournament-day-two-review-germany-roll-again-usa-need-ot-to-beat-china/ …
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Let's not get crazy here. He's 17 years old and has never played against American competition, let alone Big east upperclassmen. While he is seen as possibly having pro potential, those evaluating him see that as far down the road.
Right let's get over this loser mentality, His age is a positive when considering Pro potential. I have a question for you do you favor recruiting four stars players and down
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I'll take any and all 5 star kids the staff can get and trust CM and staff to integrate them into a cohesive team concept.
I think we'll be far better next season -- was just cautioning against considering RF a potential one-and-done talent. He's coming in with about the same rating and reputation as Mussini did last year. While he should have a far easier time getting his shot off, he may also have the troubles adjusting to the speed and strength of opposing Big East players that we saw Mussini struggle with.
Love that we have him, just think next year might well be a year of learning and adjusting for him. Of course, he'll have the added benefit of playing with a real point guard, so perhaps his outside shooting skills will pay quicker dividends.
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I'll take any and all 5 star kids the staff can get and trust CM and staff to integrate them into a cohesive team concept.
I think we'll be far better next season -- was just cautioning against considering RF a potential one-and-done talent. He's coming in with about the same rating and reputation as Mussini did last year. While he should have a far easier time getting his shot off, he may also have the troubles adjusting to the speed and strength of opposing Big East players that we saw Mussini struggle with.
Love that we have him, just think next year might well be a year of learning and adjusting for him. Of course, he'll have the added benefit of playing with a real point guard, so perhaps his outside shooting skills will pay quicker dividends.
Agree, nice grounded assessment.
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I'll take any and all 5 star kids the staff can get and trust CM and staff to integrate them into a cohesive team concept.
I think we'll be far better next season -- was just cautioning against considering RF a potential one-and-done talent. He's coming in with about the same rating and reputation as Mussini did last year. While he should have a far easier time getting his shot off, he may also have the troubles adjusting to the speed and strength of opposing Big East players that we saw Mussini struggle with.
Love that we have him, just think next year might well be a year of learning and adjusting for him. Of course, he'll have the added benefit of playing with a real point guard, so perhaps his outside shooting skills will pay quicker dividends.
Only thing I'm not sure about: was mussini really regarded as highly as RF? I find that hard to believe. I don't think he will be a one and done, but if he struggles the way we saw mussini struggle towards the end of the year, that's a problem.
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I'll take any and all 5 star kids the staff can get and trust CM and staff to integrate them into a cohesive team concept.
I think we'll be far better next season -- was just cautioning against considering RF a potential one-and-done talent. He's coming in with about the same rating and reputation as Mussini did last year. While he should have a far easier time getting his shot off, he may also have the troubles adjusting to the speed and strength of opposing Big East players that we saw Mussini struggle with.
Love that we have him, just think next year might well be a year of learning and adjusting for him. Of course, he'll have the added benefit of playing with a real point guard, so perhaps his outside shooting skills will pay quicker dividends.
Only thing I'm not sure about: was mussini really regarded as highly as RF? I find that hard to believe. I don't think he will be a one and done, but if he struggles the way we saw mussini struggle towards the end of the year, that's a problem.
With better cast RF should be fine. Take a year at a time. These one & done references are crazy.
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Let's not get crazy here. He's 17 years old and has never played against American competition, let alone Big east upperclassmen. While he is seen as possibly having pro potential, those evaluating him see that as far down the road.
He did it against Japan. That's good enough for me.
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Let's not get crazy here. He's 17 years old and has never played against American competition, let alone Big east upperclassmen. While he is seen as possibly having pro potential, those evaluating him see that as far down the road.
I don't disagree with you, but being ready for the NBA and being desired by the NBA, based on potential and what you could be, have never been further apart than in today's game. He has plus size and length for the NBA, at least one plus skill (shooting), and has average NBA athleticism. And his young age and recent growth only makes him more worth the risk. Fortunately for us, his body needs some development and he's saying all the right things about staying in school.
He's the Captain of his extremely good U-18 national team and he's been covered by NBA draft scouts and writers for three years. He's not the typical SJU international recruit. We used to have to force ourselves to get excited over a kid like Tomas Jasuluinas or even Amar Alibegovic just making the national team and riding the bench or playing sparingly (in Amar's case). I think you need to give any Euro a year to transition (look at the kid from Kansas) to the physicality and speed of the American game, but I think he and Ponds are kids that should be filed in the "should be good" pile unlike some of our past players that we just hoped could develop.
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Any reason this thread isn't with the other committed prospects threads? I saw that this morning and almost had a heart attack lol.
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Any reason this thread isn't with the other committed prospects threads? I saw that this morning and almost had a heart attack lol.
It is....
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"Only thing I'm not sure about: was Mussini really regarded as highly as RF? I find that hard to believe."
FWIW, 247 had Mussini ranked as the 116th player in his class, with a .929 composite rating. Freudenberg is currently the 104th player in his class, with a .939 composite rating.
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Any reason this thread isn't with the other committed prospects threads? I saw that this morning and almost had a heart attack lol.
It is....
It wasn't before...
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Any reason this thread isn't with the other committed prospects threads? I saw that this morning and almost had a heart attack lol.
It is....
It wasn't before...
It has been since he committed....
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RF's game reminds me some of Lydon on Syracuse.
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RF's game reminds me some of Lydon on Syracuse.
Man I wish
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@heinnews tweeted
w 13 points, 12 rebounds, @RichardFreudenb has already picked up his third straight double double at #AST2016 (18/10; 15/10 in 1st 2 games)
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@heinnews tweeted
w 13 points, 12 rebounds, @RichardFreudenb has already picked up his third straight double double at #AST2016 (18/10; 15/10 in 1st 2 games)
Way to go kid. Keep it up.
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My impressions from watching him in 3 games: Team-first player, non-stop motor, very athletic for his size, better defender than I thought (quick feet), aggressive rebounder, good shot-blocking instincts, good handle for his size; can go left or right, no apparent post-up game.
He went to the line often and seems to be about a 75% free throw shooter. From what I observed, he made about a third of his 3-point shots but clearly has skill from 3-point range. He will get stronger and, if he stays 3 or 4 years, he will be a major contributor. We are very fortunate to get this kid.
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RF's game reminds me some of Lydon on Syracuse.
Does Lydon shoot it from three? Thought he was primarily an inside guy. But I did not watch a lot of Cuse this year.
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RF's game reminds me some of Lydon on Syracuse.
Does Lydon shoot it from three? Thought he was primarily an inside guy. But I did not watch a lot of Cuse this year.
Yep. Lydon is a sound shooter from deep.
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If we are only going to compare him to white guys, Dunleavy is the obvious choice IMO.
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I was thinking a slightly taller Richard Hamilton.
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"Only thing I'm not sure about: was Mussini really regarded as highly as RF? I find that hard to believe."
FWIW, 247 had Mussini ranked as the 116th player in his class, with a .929 composite rating. Freudenberg is currently the 104th player in his class, with a .939 composite rating.
Wow that's kind of crazy, at least after watching mussini for a year. I'm still a believer that he will be a solid contributor here, just surprised that with his lack of size speed and strength he was so highly regarded.
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I was thinking a slightly taller Richard Hamilton.
Rip was a scorer deluxe. Inside, outside, mid range game.
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If we are only going to compare him to white guys, Dunleavy is the obvious choice IMO.
By all means compare him to a black guy. If I had to I would say Sidney Poitier.
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"Only thing I'm not sure about: was Mussini really regarded as highly as RF? I find that hard to believe."
FWIW, 247 had Mussini ranked as the 116th player in his class, with a .929 composite rating. Freudenberg is currently the 104th player in his class, with a .939 composite rating.
Actually 247 has RF rated #54 in this class. FM was I think just outside the top 100.
The composite rating is some kind of average across rankings from several websites.
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If we are only going to compare him to white guys, Dunleavy is the obvious choice IMO.
By all means compare him to a black guy. If I had to I would say Sidney Poitier.
Hahaha now we're talking.
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I was thinking a slightly taller Richard Hamilton.
Rip was a scorer deluxe. Inside, outside, mid range game.
In the highlight reels I've watched, RF is a hell of a scorer too. The guy NEVER misses!
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"Richard Freudenberg has been fantastic all tournament with 14 points and 13 rebounds for his third straight double-double – though he did only hit 3-of-12 shots, including 1-of-6 threes. He has really been great all tournament at pushing the ball after getting rebounds. All told he has 33 rebounds in 66:24 minutes of action – eight of which came on the offensive end. From the outside, Freudenberg has hit 5-of-13 three-pointers (38 percent)."
David Hein @heinnews
Albert Schweitzer Tournament Day Three review: Four teams still perfect http://www.heinnews.com/basketball/nba/albert-schweitzer-tournament-day-three-review-four-teams-still-perfect/ …
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@heinnews
.@RichardFreudenb of @DBB_Basketball leads the #AST2016 in rebounding after three games with 11.0 rpg. Zhu Rongzhen of CHN is 2nd at 10.3
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"Richard Freudenberg has been fantastic all tournament with 14 points and 13 rebounds for his third straight double-double – though he did only hit 3-of-12 shots, including 1-of-6 threes. He has really been great all tournament at pushing the ball after getting rebounds. All told he has 33 rebounds in 66:24 minutes of action – eight of which came on the offensive end. From the outside, Freudenberg has hit 5-of-13 three-pointers (38 percent)."
David Hein @heinnews
Albert Schweitzer Tournament Day Three review: Four teams still perfect http://www.heinnews.com/basketball/nba/albert-schweitzer-tournament-day-three-review-four-teams-still-perfect/ …
Guess the USA team just picked up a bunch of guys off the street.
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"Richard Freudenberg has been fantastic all tournament with 14 points and 13 rebounds for his third straight double-double – though he did only hit 3-of-12 shots, including 1-of-6 threes. He has really been great all tournament at pushing the ball after getting rebounds. All told he has 33 rebounds in 66:24 minutes of action – eight of which came on the offensive end. From the outside, Freudenberg has hit 5-of-13 three-pointers (38 percent)."
David Hein @heinnews
Albert Schweitzer Tournament Day Three review: Four teams still perfect http://www.heinnews.com/basketball/nba/albert-schweitzer-tournament-day-three-review-four-teams-still-perfect/ …
Guess the USA team just picked up a bunch of guys off the street.
Actually, it looks like the three USA players mentioned are considered good college prospects. Look at the list of schools recruiting these players. This tournament may be more challenging than some thought. (Me included)
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"Richard Freudenberg has been fantastic all tournament with 14 points and 13 rebounds for his third straight double-double – though he did only hit 3-of-12 shots, including 1-of-6 threes. He has really been great all tournament at pushing the ball after getting rebounds. All told he has 33 rebounds in 66:24 minutes of action – eight of which came on the offensive end. From the outside, Freudenberg has hit 5-of-13 three-pointers (38 percent)."
David Hein @heinnews
Albert Schweitzer Tournament Day Three review: Four teams still perfect http://www.heinnews.com/basketball/nba/albert-schweitzer-tournament-day-three-review-four-teams-still-perfect/ …
Guess the USA team just picked up a bunch of guys off the street.
Actually, it looks like the three USA players mentioned are considered good college prospects. Look at the list of schools recruiting these players. This tournament may be more challenging than some thought. (Me included)
Ive seen Quinton Rose play. Had no idea who he was before the game. I knew after.
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In win over Serbia, RF went for 16 & 10 in 21 minutes, but did not shoot well. (6/15).
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@heinnews
After 4 days at #AST2016 I'd have Top 5 no position: Freudenberg Radanov Kenyon Vaulet Mushidi - others: Glisic Mokoka Moretti Zhu Ndoye
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Tough kid as noted in article about today's win over Serbia;
http://www.heinnews.com/basketball/nba/albert-schweitzer-tournament-day-four-review-bloodied-freudenburg-germany-frustrate-serbia-france-italy-ready-for-clash/
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Germany advances to final v Serbia.
http://www.heinnews.com/basketball/nba/albert-schweitzer-tournament-day-six-review-germany-reach-final-will-take-on-serbia/
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@heinnews
Congrats Germany for winning 2016 Albert Schweitzer Tournament. Survived rough stretch in 4thqtr to win 1st title #ast2016 @DBB_Basketball
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David Hein – @heinnews
For the second straight #AST2016 - the winning team has a connection to @StJohnsBBall - @FMussini in 2014 and @RichardFreudenb in 2016
9:21 AM - 2 Apr 2016
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David Hein – @heinnews
All-Tourament Team for #AST2016 - Davide Moretti, Aleksa Radanov, Richard Freudenberg, Borisa Simanic, Zhu Rongzhen MVP Kostja Mushidi
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVL5ssPgGto
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NBADraftProspects – @draftprosnba
Freudenberg had a very strong outing and received the award for the best SF of the tournament. Extremely talented freshman with huge upside.
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i like seeing him not be afraid to go inside...
just hope he can pack on some extra mass to his frame.
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A big man who can handle the ball, can learn how to post up and back his man down. We need big men that can do that.
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Kid looks impressive. I like how he's able to square up his shot, even on the move. Can handle a bit in the open court as well as play down low. Looking pretty good here.
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I like how he doesn't feel the need to only shoot 3's. Number of times in that video where he had an open 3 but took a few steps in to take a higher percentage shot. Shows some good decision making.
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pretty exacting physical tournament with what 7 games in 8 days.
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Extremely impressed w Rich early on, elated that he's going to be a Johnnie. Being able to work w Mullin individually everyday is really going to pay dividends. Has the looks of a 5 tool player. Rich and Bash on either side of the perimeter, watch out.
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I was thinking a slightly taller Richard Hamilton.
Rip was a scorer deluxe. Inside, outside, mid range game.
In the highlight reels I've watched, RF is a hell of a scorer too. The guy NEVER misses!
If he missed it wouldn't be a highlight. That's why he never missed in the highlights.
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That handle is impressive for 6'9....suprisingly low dribble. He won't get anything that easy in college next year, but still nice to see he can hurt you on reckless close outs. Pretty release on jumper. I've noticed that he likes to hop into his jumper to get it in rhythm....could be why his %s don't always reflect his overall shooting ability. I'd like to see more stuff with his left...could be lack of footage.
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http://www.eurohopes.com/news/6200/albert_schweitzer_tournament_-_recap
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Signed LOI
https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardFreudenb/status/720259734025191425
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Signed LOI
https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardFreudenb/status/720259734025191425
Welcome aboard officially. Looking forward to watching you next year.
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Welcome to St.John's Richard Freudenberg!
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Eric Bossi on impact International players for 2016. Includes Freudenberg:
College choice: St. John’s.
Bossi’s take: Freudenberg is another mobile face-up power forward who would likely rank in at least the top 50 range if he attended school in the U.S. He’s got a pretty jump shot, can set up defenders and free up space with fakes and hesitation dribbles and he can play above the rim some in traffic. Freudenberg's motor looks good and if he’s as good as advertised, St. John’s fortunes could start turning quickly in the Big East.
https://basketballrecruiting.n.rivals.com/news/class-of-2016-international-players-will-make-their-mark
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Eric Bossi on impact International players for 2016. Includes Freudenberg:
College choice: St. John’s.
Bossi’s take: Freudenberg is another mobile face-up power forward who would likely rank in at least the top 50 range if he attended school in the U.S. He’s got a pretty jump shot, can set up defenders and free up space with fakes and hesitation dribbles and he can play above the rim some in traffic. Freudenberg's motor looks good and if he’s as good as advertised, St. John’s fortunes could start turning quickly in the Big East.
https://basketballrecruiting.n.rivals.com/news/class-of-2016-international-players-will-make-their-mark
That's at least the 3rd person I have see list RF as being in the top 50 range if he was American, that's pretty impressive. Very happy to have him on board and hopefully he can give us some solid minutes this year and possibly have a bigger impact then expected.
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Looks good. Needs a few milk shakes.