6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: JohnnyJungle on March 24, 2015, 04:23:57 PM
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...from what I'm hearing.
Repole is pushing hard for Lavin to be out. No new news there however Repole may be losing steam with administration for trying to control the situation completely.
If Repole is pushed away the school will either resign Lavin to a 3 year extension or they will turn to Chris Mullin. Mullin has strong ties to Slice dating back to high school and he'd most likely be his #1 assistant. Others may include alumnus Matt Abdelmaasah from Iowa St.
Money talks and Repole would want to bring in Danny Hurley or Bobby Hurley as his top choices. While I thought Danny would be difficult to pry from URI this year it might not be as difficult as I anticipated. However Bobby may be even ahead of Danny in the pecking order as top choice. I've heard conflicting stories on who is 1,2. Jared Grasso will probably be linked to either's staff.
Massiello, Pitino, and others were not in the mix at the moment.
I'm not completely sold on idea Chris Mullin or Bobby Hurley but they aren't bad options.
If I had to place a bet I'd say that St. John's probably just extends Lav.
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Dave, Is there a timeline it deadline for all these decisions fall this to GI down...If Lavin is being extended and he knows it he can resume recruiting duties with confidence...Anything else will be a mad dash to find staff and players.
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Good stuff Dave, thanks for sharing
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How much has Repole paid? How much will he pay for new coach?
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I heard the same thing about Mullin and D Hurley being the top choices if they part ways with Lavin.
Do they really think they could pry Slice away from UK?
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Have the spoken to mullin or either hurley?
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Have the spoken to mullin or either hurley?
They aren't going to talk to someone while they have a coach under contract, and if they do, it wouldn't certainly not be made public..
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they will turn to Chris Mullin. Mullin has strong ties to Slice dating back to high school and he'd most likely be his #1 assistant. Others may include alumnus Matt Abdelmaasah from Iowa St.
Well this would be insane.
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When is this meeting supposed to take place?
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they will turn to Chris Mullin. Mullin has strong ties to Slice dating back to high school and he'd most likely be his #1 assistant. Others may include alumnus Matt Abdelmaasah from Iowa St.
Well this would be insane.
Insane as crazy good, or insane as crazy stupid?
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Well somebody is leaking something if some people are hearing the same names. My guess is Repole.
Also Mullin scares me. I love Chrissy but for every Fred Hoiberg you get a Sidney Lowe or a Clyde Drexler or a Eddie Jordan.
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Please never say Chrissy again, fordham...
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New President isn't going to be a slave to Repole and his $$. Needs to make his own mark. Repole is the guy that brought in Lavin, lets remember that also. He's not a GM... He doesn't deserve do over after do over.
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I don't like the idea of Mullin as coach. It only appeals to the fan base that so desperately wants to hold on to the glory days. Talk about a gamble...
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Not sure on timetable.
Also for Slice if the money was right its better situation than UK. Less pressure, longer leash.
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they will turn to Chris Mullin. Mullin has strong ties to Slice dating back to high school and he'd most likely be his #1 assistant. Others may include alumnus Matt Abdelmaasah from Iowa St.
Well this would be insane.
Insane as crazy good, or insane as crazy stupid?
I'd sign up for it. I might even root for him.
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Not sure on timetable.
Also for Slice if the money was right its better situation than UK. Less pressure, longer leash.
Yes but so was Pitt and he left Jamie Dixon and a familar situation for UK.
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Not sure on timetable.
Also for Slice if the money was right its better situation than UK. Less pressure, longer leash.
Yes but so was Pitt and he left Jamie Dixon and a familar situation for UK.
I can't claim to know the reasons behind his every move. I'm assuming money + security was better at UK than at Pitt.
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IMO If Bobby Hurley is attainable he has to be on the SJU sidelines starting next season. If we miss out on the Bobby Hurley boat because we extend Lavin or hire Mullin this program deserves the mediocrity it will endure for the next decade
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Please never say Chrissy again, fordham...
Fordham still can't let go of his 18 year old Chrissy Evert image... :-*
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Not sure on timetable.
Also for Slice if the money was right its better situation than UK. Less pressure, longer leash.
Slice would be in super beast mode in the Tri-state even more than he is now (if it's possible).
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Not sure on timetable.
Also for Slice if the money was right its better situation than UK. Less pressure, longer leash.
Yes but so was Pitt and he left Jamie Dixon and a familar situation for UK.
I can't claim to know the reasons behind his every move. I'm assuming money + security was better at UK than at Pitt.
When Rohrssen joined UK in May, Kenny Payne got bumped to 500k, john Robic bumped up to Rohrssen's starting salary of 375k. Antigua was making 275k.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/2014/05/07/kentucky-bumps-pay-basketball-assistants-payne-robic/8800591/ (http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/2014/05/07/kentucky-bumps-pay-basketball-assistants-payne-robic/8800591/)
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Mullin will be there in 2-3 years, if that's who the admin eventually wants. so with that in mind, extend Lavin.
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IMO If Bobby Hurley is attainable he has to be on the SJU sidelines starting next season. If we miss out on the Bobby Hurley boat because we extend Lavin or hire Mullin this program deserves the mediocrity it will endure for the next decade
If Christian Laetner didn't hit a buzzer beater 20 years ago, who should we hire?
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IMO If Bobby Hurley is attainable he has to be on the SJU sidelines starting next season. If we miss out on the Bobby Hurley boat because we extend Lavin or hire Mullin this program deserves the mediocrity it will endure for the next decade
If Christian Laetner didn't hit a buzzer beater 20 years ago, who should we hire?
Bobby Hurley or Danny Hurley. If we choose Bobby, is it because Bobby went to Duke and was a better player than Danny? Would we look to Danny first if he were better in his playing days? Your question assumes Bobby will be chosen over Danny because of the shot, correct? Kind of odd assumption.
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for next year's sake (and the year after that), I hope they just make a decision quickly.
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IMO If Bobby Hurley is attainable he has to be on the SJU sidelines starting next season. If we miss out on the Bobby Hurley boat because we extend Lavin or hire Mullin this program deserves the mediocrity it will endure for the next decade
If Christian Laetner didn't hit a buzzer beater 20 years ago, who should we hire?
Do you think Hurley's fame is tied to that? He's still one of the best point guard I've seen in the game. At any level. His brother is Jared Sina.
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for next year's sake (and the year after that), I hope they just make a decision quickly.
Agree--Lavin first of all does not need to be left twisting in the wind because he has raised the school's profile, regardless of which side you are on; second, you to do this when you get the most press coverage (Tuesday or Wednesday would get next day's back page and not compete with NCAA tournament), third if change, we need as much time as possible to recruit before signing day
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IMO If Bobby Hurley is attainable he has to be on the SJU sidelines starting next season. If we miss out on the Bobby Hurley boat because we extend Lavin or hire Mullin this program deserves the mediocrity it will endure for the next decade
If Christian Laetner didn't hit a buzzer beater 20 years ago, who should we hire?
You realize that shot was during the tournament when Hurley was already a defending national champ right? And was picked #7 in the draft after. Oh yeah and he is STILL the NCAA leader in assists all time.
Let me guess next - grant hill wouldn't have been the sprite spokesman except for that shot too?
People hype mas and Manhattan - well Bobbys buffalo was a 12 seed just 2 years in.
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Anyone have a guess what Seth Greenberg makes at ESPN?
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In my opinion, Without that shot and Laetner being perfect beating UNLV Duke isn't Duke. Coach K doesn't coach the USA team and Hurley is remembered as the little white PG who got abused by Anderson Hunt. I am not against Bobby Hurley but 2 years in the MAC. Not a great resume. Would rather hire him next year, so he can come in a more stable environment. Bobby Hurley may be a great coach paying him plus Lavin next year and losing 20 games doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
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In my opinion, Without that shot and Laetner being perfect beating UNLV Duke isn't Duke. Coach K doesn't coach the USA team and Hurley is remembered as the little white PG who got abused by Anderson Hunt. I am not against Bobby Hurley but 2 years in the MAC. Not a great resume. Would rather hire him next year, so he can come in a more stable environment. Bobby Hurley may be a great coach paying him plus Lavin next year and losing 20 games doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
You do realize the "shot" was against Kentucky in year two of dukes repeat national title seasons. In the elite 8.
Duke beat undefeated UNLV in 1991 in the final four.
Also hurleys 3 pointer while Duke was down 5 w 2 mins left against UNLV is what coach k refers to as the biggest shot he's witnessed in his career. Sure there is some hyperbole there but to act like Hurley was made by laettner is completely ignorant.
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What does it matter at all how good of a PLAYER he was? There is an extensive list of good to great college players who were awful coaches.......
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In my opinion, Without that shot and Laetner being perfect beating UNLV Duke isn't Duke. Coach K doesn't coach the USA team and Hurley is remembered as the little white PG who got abused by Anderson Hunt. I am not against Bobby Hurley but 2 years in the MAC. Not a great resume. Would rather hire him next year, so he can come in a more stable environment. Bobby Hurley may be a great coach paying him plus Lavin next year and losing 20 games doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
And without Kareem, UCLA never becomes UCLA. Talk about throwing out hypotheticals that have no basis in reality.
Now back to reality. Hurley and Duke's back to back title legacy is one of the most memorable periods in the modern game.
2 years in the MAC and already an NCAA berth. He lead them to their first NCAA appearance in the school's history. Pretty damn impressive. If you put Lavin in the MAC, he'd be relegated to total anonymity and never be in the Dance.
Hurley would be a vast upgrade over Lavin. It's not like the team's ever getting any better under Lavin than what we saw this year. This year was Lavin's peak. SJU may have to take a step back with Hurley because of the roster depletion next year. However long term Hurley can build a program that gets better and more talented every year, unlike Lavin.
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I like Bobby Hurley. I was not trying to show ignorance. What I am trying to say is his 3 point shot that everyone has seen should have little affect on him becoming the next St. Johns coach. If he was the same player, went to clemson, had a different father, and had the same coaching resume would we even be considered for this job? He is not only being considered he as looked on as a slam dunk hire? If he was hired I wouldn't complain. I don't think it would be the smart move at the present time under the present circumstances.
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Stay or leave this is being handled terribly by the administration....if not already a massive mess it will be within 48 hours.
Seems like no one knows what they are doing.
My guess is someone leaked to try to sabotage Coach Lavin before a decision was made....reporter didn't want to get beaten....wrote a carefully couched piece that's been distorted.
One way or the other this needs to get cleaned up pronto.
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I like Bobby Hurley. I was not trying to show ignorance. What I am trying to say is his 3 point shot that everyone has seen should have little affect on him becoming the next St. Johns coach. If he was the same player, went to clemson, had a different father, and had the same coaching resume would we even be considered for this job? He is not only being considered he as looked on as a slam dunk hire? If he was hired I wouldn't complain. I don't think it would be the smart move at the present time under the present circumstances.
1. Kids he is recruiting can YouTube him as a player and say Damn coach can play. That could make the difference in a close recruiting battle whether it should or not.
2. Fathers and families can be (but of course do not have to be) a glimpse or a window into what one may be like. It certainly shows his upbringing and when hiring an up and comer who you are projecting will do well at a higher level, definitely can provide you with more of a level of comfort or a better educated guess at future success It matters.
3. He was coached by one of the greatest high school coaches of all time. Then by one of the greatest college coaches of all time. It matters.
4. He hasn't just been coaching for two years. He put in his time as an assistant under his brother both at Wagner and URI where they succeeded.
His background matters. To pretend he went to Clemson and is not a Hurley is pointless and counterproductive.
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Slice would work under Chris is a second. No question. He would not leave for Hurley. Part of his past was angling himself to be a HC…
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I like Bobby Hurley. I was not trying to show ignorance. What I am trying to say is his 3 point shot that everyone has seen should have little affect on him becoming the next St. Johns coach. If he was the same player, went to clemson, had a different father, and had the same coaching resume would we even be considered for this job? He is not only being considered he as looked on as a slam dunk hire? If he was hired I wouldn't complain. I don't think it would be the smart move at the present time under the present circumstances.
1. Kids he is recruiting can YouTube him as a player and say Damn coach can play. That could make the difference in a close recruiting battle whether it should or not.
2. Fathers and families can be (but of course do not have to be) a glimpse or a window into what one may be like. It certainly shows his upbringing and when hiring an up and comer who you are projecting will do well at a higher level, definitely can provide you with more of a level of comfort or a better educated guess at future success It matters.
3. He www coached by one of the greatest high school coaches of all time. Then by one of the greatest pro coaches of all time. It matters.
4. He hasn't just been coaching for two years. He put in his time as an assistant under his brother both at Wagner and URI where they succeeded.
His background matters. To pretend he went to Clemson and is not a Hurley is pointless and counterproductive.
A sound post.
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Hurley wasn't an NBA athlete, or anything like that. For those who didn't see him play, he is more like a Ryan Arciadiacano than anyone I can think of. Guys like have to be smart players. He had a great teacher, and yes, of course, Bobby is very talented as well, but his success came from the system he played in, and how well he understood it. Let him recreate that system here.
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If we are getting rid of Lavin, I would love Mullin to be the coach.
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Not sure on timetable.
Also for Slice if the money was right its better situation than UK. Less pressure, longer leash.
Yes but so was Pitt and he left Jamie Dixon and a familar situation for UK.
I can't claim to know the reasons behind his every move. I'm assuming money + security was better at UK than at Pitt.
Agreed and I don't doubt he has a great relationship with Mullin (btw him and Lavin are close friends as well) and maybe he would come under that hypothetical. He does love NYC and SJU.
But I can't see how he would leave Pitt for more money and better security at UK but somehow those things improve by leaving UK for SJU, that's all.
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interesting joey delarosa tweet
Joey Delarosa @DelarosaJoey 43m43 minutes ago
Change is Good for everybody
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I like Bobby Hurley. I was not trying to show ignorance. What I am trying to say is his 3 point shot that everyone has seen should have little affect on him becoming the next St. Johns coach. If he was the same player, went to clemson, had a different father, and had the same coaching resume would we even be considered for this job? He is not only being considered he as looked on as a slam dunk hire? If he was hired I wouldn't complain. I don't think it would be the smart move at the present time under the present circumstances.
1. Kids he is recruiting can YouTube him as a player and say Damn coach can play. That could make the difference in a close recruiting battle whether it should or not.
2. Fathers and families can be (but of course do not have to be) a glimpse or a window into what one may be like. It certainly shows his upbringing and when hiring an up and comer who you are projecting will do well at a higher level, definitely can provide you with more of a level of comfort or a better educated guess at future success It matters.
3. He www coached by one of the greatest high school coaches of all time. Then by one of the greatest pro coaches of all time. It matters.
4. He hasn't just been coaching for two years. He put in his time as an assistant under his brother both at Wagner and URI where they succeeded.
His background matters. To pretend he went to Clemson and is not a Hurley is pointless and counterproductive.
When I watched his pre-game locker room speech before the WVU game, I thought to myself, "THAT is the kind of coach I want coaching my team." I want preparation and I want under control fire. I want a coach that lights a fire under his players, and leads through inspiration.
I give credit to coach Lavin for getting the guys to play hard this year, but I didn't want the guys to test out one of Vince Lombardi's axioms:
"Fatigue will make cowards of us all."
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New President isn't going to be a slave to Repole and his $$. Needs to make his own mark. Repole is the guy that brought in Lavin, lets remember that also. He's not a GM... He doesn't deserve do over after do over.
Repole did NOT bring in Lavin. He just helped fund it. There was zero connection between the two.
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IMO If Bobby Hurley is attainable he has to be on the SJU sidelines starting next season. If we miss out on the Bobby Hurley boat because we extend Lavin or hire Mullin this program deserves the mediocrity it will endure for the next decade
So Bobby is now a can't miss based on his 25-11 record in the MAC. OK.
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IMO If Bobby Hurley is attainable he has to be on the SJU sidelines starting next season. If we miss out on the Bobby Hurley boat because we extend Lavin or hire Mullin this program deserves the mediocrity it will endure for the next decade
So Bobby is now a can't miss based on his 25-11 record in the MAC. OK.
Bobby, as a 12 seed with the University of Buffalo, gave a good WVU team a much better fight than Lavin, as a 9 seed with St. John's gave a very average 8 seeded SDSU team. Yes, one year doesn't mean much, but tell me Lavin would have had that Buffalo squad anywhere near the tournament or anywhere near giving WVU a run for their money. You can't. Lavin has proved he's nothing more than mediocre. Thats been proven here and at UCLA. Hurley can be great. How do you not take that chance.
Also, you have to realize it's just as big of a gamble, might even be a bigger gamble, to hope Lavin actually does BETTER than he has done over these past 5 years when there is absolutely no indication that will happen
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what????
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
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New President isn't going to be a slave to Repole and his $$. Needs to make his own mark. Repole is the guy that brought in Lavin, lets remember that also. He's not a GM... He doesn't deserve do over after do over.
Repole did NOT bring in Lavin. He just helped fund it. There was zero connection between the two.
If he's using his own private money he's certainly putting his stamp of approval. He's not funding a coach he's not ok with.. Was Lavin coming here without Repole and his money? I would say no, considering state of program at the time.
I don't care how this plays out, as long as something is decided soon.
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Dave, Is there a timeline it deadline for all these decisions fall this to GI down...If Lavin is being extended and he knows it he can resume recruiting duties with confidence...Anything else will be a mad dash to find staff and players.
If Lav was in a hurry to recruit legit BE players we would have seen 3 goodies take the court this year with 3 more on the way. No contract talk and no drama. Brass gatta wonder what kind of product they going to be selling tickets for next year. Val and Fox also have a interest. Not likley he can fool all concerned, when I'm guessing they all talk.
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what????
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Nowhere did I say he'd be the next Coach K but he's one of the hottest coaches in the country right now with great coaching pedigree. Not sure what Masiello has to do with anything, he hasn't coached anywhere other than Manhattan yet so it's yet to be seen if he'll be successful or not. McCaffery inherited a brutally bad Iowa team and has led them to back to back NCAA tournaments and has won a game in the tournament. You can't say he's been a failure. Bobby G failed because he's certifiably insane.
I am also not saying had Lavin and Hurley switched places for that one game that Lavin wouldn't have had a good game against WVU. I am saying that had Lavin been coaching Buffalo these past two years instead of Hurley, that program doesn't sniff a tournament.
You brought up a bunch of guys that have had one big tournament win or close game and have not had success after that. In our case with Lavin, we aren't experiencing any type of success either and we didn't even have our big tournament moment. But again, if you want to accept mediocrity and pass up the chance to be great thats up to you. Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
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Dave, Is there a timeline it deadline for all these decisions fall this to GI down...If Lavin is being extended and he knows it he can resume recruiting duties with confidence...Anything else will be a mad dash to find staff and players.
If Lav was in a hurry to recruit legit BE players we would have seen 3 goodies take the court this year with 3 more on the way. No contract talk and no drama. Brass gatta wonder what kind of product they going to be selling tickets for next year. Val and Fox also have a interest. Not likley he can fool all concerned, when I'm guessing they all talk.
Not sure if it's funny or sad, but Lavin would have to recruit or he may have to forfeit next because of lack of players....Maybe that's he key... just cancel the season, find all the recruits the prgram needs, use the season as practice and in the 16-17 season we will be ready without the burden of a losing season. Stupid like a fox!
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New President isn't going to be a slave to Repole and his $$. Needs to make his own mark. Repole is the guy that brought in Lavin, lets remember that also. He's not a GM... He doesn't deserve do over after do over.
Repole did NOT bring in Lavin. He just helped fund it. There was zero connection between the two.
If he's using his own private money he's certainly putting his stamp of approval. He's not funding a coach he's not ok with.. Was Lavin coming here without Repole and his money? I would say no, considering state of program at the time.
I don't care how this plays out, as long as something is decided soon.
He was just getting involved with SJU the last time around. He was force behind buying out Norm and then floating the first offer to Billy D. That was the only coach with a loose connection (ie Pitino). The next two candidates (Hewitt and Lav) were no connection but he wanted a change so was willing to help.
So yes you're likely right that Lav wouldn't have been here without Repole. But not many people would have been since he put the wheels in motion with letting go of Norm.
This time around maybe he wants more of a say. I don't know.
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what????
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Nowhere did I say he'd be the next Coach K but he's one of the hottest coaches in the country right now with great coaching pedigree. Not sure what Masiello has to do with anything, he hasn't coached anywhere other than Manhattan yet so it's yet to be seen if he'll be successful or not. McCaffery inherited a brutally bad Iowa team and has led them to back to back NCAA tournaments and has won a game in the tournament. You can't say he's been a failure. Bobby G failed because he's certifiably insane.
I am also not saying had Lavin and Hurley switched places for that one game that Lavin wouldn't have had a good game against WVU. I am saying that had Lavin been coaching Buffalo these past two years instead of Hurley, that program doesn't sniff a tournament.
You brought up a bunch of guys that have had one big tournament win or close game and have not had success after that. In our case with Lavin, we aren't experiencing any type of success either and we didn't even have our big tournament moment. But again, if you want to accept mediocrity and pass up the chance to be great thats up to you. Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
Give me a break with this nonsense.
First off you completely miss the point. You can take any coach in a 1 game situation and do anything with it and it doesn't prove anything. Any coach. Take the St. Peter's coach and put him with Buffalo for 1 game and say he almost beats WVU. So what? Then take the best coach in America and give him the same situation. It So what?
Excuse making for McCaffery. Love the 2 NCAA appearances. Go look, last year they completely collapsed end of the year. Believe they lost 6 of 7 to finish 9-9, lost in the first round of the B10 Tourney and then lost in the play in round of the NCAA's as an 11 seed. So go look at that 4 year record and translate that here at SJU. Really you are going to make excuses for him after 4 years? NO WAY.
Goes to another point I always make. People are quick to make excuses for other coaches instead of their own simply because it is a convenient way to criticize the coach they have when in fact they would not tolerate much of the stuff they excuse for other coaches.
There is nothing in Bobby Hurley's record that screams that he will be a serious upgrade at this point. I don't care what excuses you come up with.
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
It is not fair.
Pretty damn sure if Bobby Hurley gets us in the tourney in year 2 of his tenure we will all be pretty psyched. Your knock against him is that...he's not a home run?
He was an extremely successful point guard - point guards often make the best coaches for the obvious reasons.
He has learned from 2 of the best. Both of whom I'm sure he will seek advice from and continue to learn from.
He's not some former college star and NBA player who is just hoping a big time job falls into his lap. Hell, he worked on his YOUNGER brother's staff at a low major and mid major school before becoming head coach at a low/mid major. There he turned around the program instantly and dramatically.
Is Bobby Hurley a home run? Let's say he's a hard hit liner to left in Fenway Park. He could be a home run, he could be a double or triple off the wall depending on how the ball bounces, or he could be a hard single off the wall...but he's definitely moving the guys around the bases and improving the program, whether its by a little bit or by a ton.
Guys like Bobby Hurley who work like him don't fail. Think about the head coaches in big conferences who have failed. How many of them have had the fire AND success in life while working hard for it every step of the way like Bobby Hurley?
Guys like that just win. Period.
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
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New President isn't going to be a slave to Repole and his $$. Needs to make his own mark. Repole is the guy that brought in Lavin, lets remember that also. He's not a GM... He doesn't deserve do over after do over.
Repole did NOT bring in Lavin. He just helped fund it. There was zero connection between the two.
If he's using his own private money he's certainly putting his stamp of approval. He's not funding a coach he's not ok with.. Was Lavin coming here without Repole and his money? I would say no, considering state of program at the time.
I don't care how this plays out, as long as something is decided soon.
He was just getting involved with SJU the last time around. He was force behind buying out Norm and then floating the first offer to Billy D. That was the only coach with a loose connection (ie Pitino). The next two candidates (Hewitt and Lav) were no connection but he wanted a change so was willing to help.
So yes you're likely right that Lav wouldn't have been here without Repole. But not many people would have been since he put the wheels in motion with letting go of Norm.
This time around maybe he wants more of a say. I don't know.
Thanks for the clarification Moose, Makes sense.
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what????
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Nowhere did I say he'd be the next Coach K but he's one of the hottest coaches in the country right now with great coaching pedigree. Not sure what Masiello has to do with anything, he hasn't coached anywhere other than Manhattan yet so it's yet to be seen if he'll be successful or not. McCaffery inherited a brutally bad Iowa team and has led them to back to back NCAA tournaments and has won a game in the tournament. You can't say he's been a failure. Bobby G failed because he's certifiably insane.
I am also not saying had Lavin and Hurley switched places for that one game that Lavin wouldn't have had a good game against WVU. I am saying that had Lavin been coaching Buffalo these past two years instead of Hurley, that program doesn't sniff a tournament.
You brought up a bunch of guys that have had one big tournament win or close game and have not had success after that. In our case with Lavin, we aren't experiencing any type of success either and we didn't even have our big tournament moment. But again, if you want to accept mediocrity and pass up the chance to be great thats up to you. Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
Give me a break with this nonsense.
First off you completely miss the point. You can take any coach in a 1 game situation and do anything with it and it doesn't prove anything. Any coach. Take the St. Peter's coach and put him with Buffalo for 1 game and say he almost beats WVU. So what? Then take the best coach in America and give him the same situation. It So what?
Excuse making for McCaffery. Love the 2 NCAA appearances. Go look, last year they completely collapsed end of the year. Believe they lost 6 of 7 to finish 9-9, lost in the first round of the B10 Tourney and then lost in the play in round of the NCAA's as an 11 seed. So go look at that 4 year record and translate that here at SJU. Really you are going to make excuses for him after 4 years? NO WAY.
Goes to another point I always make. People are quick to make excuses for other coaches instead of their own simply because it is a convenient way to criticize the coach they have when in fact they would not tolerate much of the stuff they excuse for other coaches.
There is nothing in Bobby Hurley's record that screams that he will be a serious upgrade at this point. I don't care what excuses you come up with.
Again, you are missing my point. What exactly has Lavin done to show that he can and will elevate this program to the next level. I can answer that for you: nothing. Bobby Hurley has the potential to take this program to the next level, Lavin has proven that he doesn't. Now, before you twist my words again, I am not saying Hurley is a sure thing to be a consistent winner. What I am saying is that he has a legitimate chance to take this program to where we all want it to be whereas Lavin does not.
Realistic question for you. If Archie was interested and could be had, would you fire Lavin to hire him?
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what????
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Nowhere did I say he'd be the next Coach K but he's one of the hottest coaches in the country right now with great coaching pedigree. Not sure what Masiello has to do with anything, he hasn't coached anywhere other than Manhattan yet so it's yet to be seen if he'll be successful or not. McCaffery inherited a brutally bad Iowa team and has led them to back to back NCAA tournaments and has won a game in the tournament. You can't say he's been a failure. Bobby G failed because he's certifiably insane.
I am also not saying had Lavin and Hurley switched places for that one game that Lavin wouldn't have had a good game against WVU. I am saying that had Lavin been coaching Buffalo these past two years instead of Hurley, that program doesn't sniff a tournament.
You brought up a bunch of guys that have had one big tournament win or close game and have not had success after that. In our case with Lavin, we aren't experiencing any type of success either and we didn't even have our big tournament moment. But again, if you want to accept mediocrity and pass up the chance to be great thats up to you. Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
Give me a break with this nonsense.
First off you completely miss the point. You can take any coach in a 1 game situation and do anything with it and it doesn't prove anything. Any coach. Take the St. Peter's coach and put him with Buffalo for 1 game and say he almost beats WVU. So what? Then take the best coach in America and give him the same situation. It So what?
Excuse making for McCaffery. Love the 2 NCAA appearances. Go look, last year they completely collapsed end of the year. Believe they lost 6 of 7 to finish 9-9, lost in the first round of the B10 Tourney and then lost in the play in round of the NCAA's as an 11 seed. So go look at that 4 year record and translate that here at SJU. Really you are going to make excuses for him after 4 years? NO WAY.
Goes to another point I always make. People are quick to make excuses for other coaches instead of their own simply because it is a convenient way to criticize the coach they have when in fact they would not tolerate much of the stuff they excuse for other coaches.
There is nothing in Bobby Hurley's record that screams that he will be a serious upgrade at this point. I don't care what excuses you come up with.
Do you remember how some people was pumping up Willard before the season? Those same people would've tarred and feathered Willard, if he was at St. John's.
goredmen acts like he has just started watching the tournament. There are always situations where a low seed gives a higher seed all they can handle or even beats 'em. So, I'd be careful using that one-game scenario, as a way to translate into long-term success. I'm not saying Hurley can't or won't be successful at the higher-level. I'm just stating a game or so in the NCAA tournament isn't necessarily a barometer for sustained success.
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what????
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Nowhere did I say he'd be the next Coach K but he's one of the hottest coaches in the country right now with great coaching pedigree. Not sure what Masiello has to do with anything, he hasn't coached anywhere other than Manhattan yet so it's yet to be seen if he'll be successful or not. McCaffery inherited a brutally bad Iowa team and has led them to back to back NCAA tournaments and has won a game in the tournament. You can't say he's been a failure. Bobby G failed because he's certifiably insane.
I am also not saying had Lavin and Hurley switched places for that one game that Lavin wouldn't have had a good game against WVU. I am saying that had Lavin been coaching Buffalo these past two years instead of Hurley, that program doesn't sniff a tournament.
You brought up a bunch of guys that have had one big tournament win or close game and have not had success after that. In our case with Lavin, we aren't experiencing any type of success either and we didn't even have our big tournament moment. But again, if you want to accept mediocrity and pass up the chance to be great thats up to you. Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
Give me a break with this nonsense.
First off you completely miss the point. You can take any coach in a 1 game situation and do anything with it and it doesn't prove anything. Any coach. Take the St. Peter's coach and put him with Buffalo for 1 game and say he almost beats WVU. So what? Then take the best coach in America and give him the same situation. It So what?
Excuse making for McCaffery. Love the 2 NCAA appearances. Go look, last year they completely collapsed end of the year. Believe they lost 6 of 7 to finish 9-9, lost in the first round of the B10 Tourney and then lost in the play in round of the NCAA's as an 11 seed. So go look at that 4 year record and translate that here at SJU. Really you are going to make excuses for him after 4 years? NO WAY.
Goes to another point I always make. People are quick to make excuses for other coaches instead of their own simply because it is a convenient way to criticize the coach they have when in fact they would not tolerate much of the stuff they excuse for other coaches.
There is nothing in Bobby Hurley's record that screams that he will be a serious upgrade at this point. I don't care what excuses you come up with.
Again, you are missing my point. What exactly has Lavin done to show that he can and will elevate this program to the next level. I can answer that for you: nothing. Bobby Hurley has the potential to take this program to the next level, Lavin has proven that he doesn't. Now, before you twist my words again, I am not saying Hurley is a sure thing to be a consistent winner. What I am saying is that he has a legitimate chance to take this program to where we all want it to be whereas Lavin does not.
Realistic question for you. If Archie was interested and could be had, would you fire Lavin to hire him?
Are you comparing Archie to Bobby Hurley? should they be treated the same in terms of "sure things"?
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what? ???
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Straight up...
You're in the office with the AD and Prez...
They tell you "we will pick whoever you want among Lavin, Hurley 1 & 2, and Masiello. Years 1-2 do not matter, but at the end of year 10 in 2025, we want to exceed where we've been the past 35 years for any given 10 year period."
Who do you choose, taking into account Lavin is young enough to go another 10 years?
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what????
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Nowhere did I say he'd be the next Coach K but he's one of the hottest coaches in the country right now with great coaching pedigree. Not sure what Masiello has to do with anything, he hasn't coached anywhere other than Manhattan yet so it's yet to be seen if he'll be successful or not. McCaffery inherited a brutally bad Iowa team and has led them to back to back NCAA tournaments and has won a game in the tournament. You can't say he's been a failure. Bobby G failed because he's certifiably insane.
I am also not saying had Lavin and Hurley switched places for that one game that Lavin wouldn't have had a good game against WVU. I am saying that had Lavin been coaching Buffalo these past two years instead of Hurley, that program doesn't sniff a tournament.
You brought up a bunch of guys that have had one big tournament win or close game and have not had success after that. In our case with Lavin, we aren't experiencing any type of success either and we didn't even have our big tournament moment. But again, if you want to accept mediocrity and pass up the chance to be great thats up to you. Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
Give me a break with this nonsense.
First off you completely miss the point. You can take any coach in a 1 game situation and do anything with it and it doesn't prove anything. Any coach. Take the St. Peter's coach and put him with Buffalo for 1 game and say he almost beats WVU. So what? Then take the best coach in America and give him the same situation. It So what?
Excuse making for McCaffery. Love the 2 NCAA appearances. Go look, last year they completely collapsed end of the year. Believe they lost 6 of 7 to finish 9-9, lost in the first round of the B10 Tourney and then lost in the play in round of the NCAA's as an 11 seed. So go look at that 4 year record and translate that here at SJU. Really you are going to make excuses for him after 4 years? NO WAY.
Goes to another point I always make. People are quick to make excuses for other coaches instead of their own simply because it is a convenient way to criticize the coach they have when in fact they would not tolerate much of the stuff they excuse for other coaches.
There is nothing in Bobby Hurley's record that screams that he will be a serious upgrade at this point. I don't care what excuses you come up with.
Do you remember how some people was pumping up Willard before the season? Those same people would've tarred and feathered Willard, if he was at St. John's.
goredmen acts like he has just started watching the tournament. There are always situations where a low seed gives a higher seed all they can handle or even beats 'em. So, I'd be careful using that one-game scenario, as a way to translate into long-term success. I'm not saying Hurley can't or won't be successful at the higher-level. I'm just stating a game or so in the NCAA tournament isn't necessarily a barometer for sustained success.
Yes, I am aware that in a one game scenario anything can happen. However, Bobby Hurley just getting Buffalo to the tournament was a huge accomplishment, and he did it in only his 2nd year there. Buffalo is a program that has been to a grand total of 0 NCAA tournaments and 1 NIT prior to Hurley getting there and not only did he get them there in year 2, he got them in as a 12 seed and was competitive against a really good WVU team.
Tell me this, what exactly has Lavin accomplished here? We're slightly better than we were during the Norm years, not something to celebrate. 20 win seasons like the one we had last year is not an accomplishment when you go 2-9 against actual NCAA tournament teams and don't hear your name called on selection sunday
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what????
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Nowhere did I say he'd be the next Coach K but he's one of the hottest coaches in the country right now with great coaching pedigree. Not sure what Masiello has to do with anything, he hasn't coached anywhere other than Manhattan yet so it's yet to be seen if he'll be successful or not. McCaffery inherited a brutally bad Iowa team and has led them to back to back NCAA tournaments and has won a game in the tournament. You can't say he's been a failure. Bobby G failed because he's certifiably insane.
I am also not saying had Lavin and Hurley switched places for that one game that Lavin wouldn't have had a good game against WVU. I am saying that had Lavin been coaching Buffalo these past two years instead of Hurley, that program doesn't sniff a tournament.
You brought up a bunch of guys that have had one big tournament win or close game and have not had success after that. In our case with Lavin, we aren't experiencing any type of success either and we didn't even have our big tournament moment. But again, if you want to accept mediocrity and pass up the chance to be great thats up to you. Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
Give me a break with this nonsense.
First off you completely miss the point. You can take any coach in a 1 game situation and do anything with it and it doesn't prove anything. Any coach. Take the St. Peter's coach and put him with Buffalo for 1 game and say he almost beats WVU. So what? Then take the best coach in America and give him the same situation. It So what?
Excuse making for McCaffery. Love the 2 NCAA appearances. Go look, last year they completely collapsed end of the year. Believe they lost 6 of 7 to finish 9-9, lost in the first round of the B10 Tourney and then lost in the play in round of the NCAA's as an 11 seed. So go look at that 4 year record and translate that here at SJU. Really you are going to make excuses for him after 4 years? NO WAY.
Goes to another point I always make. People are quick to make excuses for other coaches instead of their own simply because it is a convenient way to criticize the coach they have when in fact they would not tolerate much of the stuff they excuse for other coaches.
There is nothing in Bobby Hurley's record that screams that he will be a serious upgrade at this point. I don't care what excuses you come up with.
Again, you are missing my point. What exactly has Lavin done to show that he can and will elevate this program to the next level. I can answer that for you: nothing. Bobby Hurley has the potential to take this program to the next level, Lavin has proven that he doesn't. Now, before you twist my words again, I am not saying Hurley is a sure thing to be a consistent winner. What I am saying is that he has a legitimate chance to take this program to where we all want it to be whereas Lavin does not.
Realistic question for you. If Archie was interested and could be had, would you fire Lavin to hire him?
Are you comparing Archie to Bobby Hurley? should they be treated the same in terms of "sure things"?
No, I am not. Nowhere did I compare them. Don't put words in my mouth you troll. I just asked him a legitimate question in which I would find his answer interesting
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what????
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Nowhere did I say he'd be the next Coach K but he's one of the hottest coaches in the country right now with great coaching pedigree. Not sure what Masiello has to do with anything, he hasn't coached anywhere other than Manhattan yet so it's yet to be seen if he'll be successful or not. McCaffery inherited a brutally bad Iowa team and has led them to back to back NCAA tournaments and has won a game in the tournament. You can't say he's been a failure. Bobby G failed because he's certifiably insane.
I am also not saying had Lavin and Hurley switched places for that one game that Lavin wouldn't have had a good game against WVU. I am saying that had Lavin been coaching Buffalo these past two years instead of Hurley, that program doesn't sniff a tournament.
You brought up a bunch of guys that have had one big tournament win or close game and have not had success after that. In our case with Lavin, we aren't experiencing any type of success either and we didn't even have our big tournament moment. But again, if you want to accept mediocrity and pass up the chance to be great thats up to you. Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
Give me a break with this nonsense.
First off you completely miss the point. You can take any coach in a 1 game situation and do anything with it and it doesn't prove anything. Any coach. Take the St. Peter's coach and put him with Buffalo for 1 game and say he almost beats WVU. So what? Then take the best coach in America and give him the same situation. It So what?
Excuse making for McCaffery. Love the 2 NCAA appearances. Go look, last year they completely collapsed end of the year. Believe they lost 6 of 7 to finish 9-9, lost in the first round of the B10 Tourney and then lost in the play in round of the NCAA's as an 11 seed. So go look at that 4 year record and translate that here at SJU. Really you are going to make excuses for him after 4 years? NO WAY.
Goes to another point I always make. People are quick to make excuses for other coaches instead of their own simply because it is a convenient way to criticize the coach they have when in fact they would not tolerate much of the stuff they excuse for other coaches.
There is nothing in Bobby Hurley's record that screams that he will be a serious upgrade at this point. I don't care what excuses you come up with.
Do you remember how some people was pumping up Willard before the season? Those same people would've tarred and feathered Willard, if he was at St. John's.
goredmen acts like he has just started watching the tournament. There are always situations where a low seed gives a higher seed all they can handle or even beats 'em. So, I'd be careful using that one-game scenario, as a way to translate into long-term success. I'm not saying Hurley can't or won't be successful at the higher-level. I'm just stating a game or so in the NCAA tournament isn't necessarily a barometer for sustained success.
Yes, I am aware that in a one game scenario anything can happen. However, Bobby Hurley just getting Buffalo to the tournament was a huge accomplishment, and he did it in only his 2nd year there. Buffalo is a program that has been to a grand total of 0 NCAA tournaments and 1 NIT prior to Hurley getting there and not only did he get them there in year 2, he got them in as a 12 seed and was competitive against a really good WVU team.
Tell me this, what exactly has Lavin accomplished here? We're slightly better than we were during the Norm years, not something to celebrate. 20 win seasons like the one we had last year is not an accomplishment when you go 2-9 against actual NCAA tournament teams and don't hear your name called on selection sunday
No one is even talking about Lavin. Stand on your merits and continue to build your argument about Hurley, instead of attempting to tear down Lavin.
Frankly, I don't care about Buffalo being competitive against West Virginia. That in itself doesn't do much for me. Fact is he still lost, and the NCAA tends to be a crapshoot. Actually, I wouldn't be upset with Bobby Hurley (if we end up with a new coach), but I'm not quite sold on him, as of yet.
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Anyone have a guess what Seth Greenberg makes at ESPN?
The NIT.
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
It is not fair.
Pretty damn sure if Bobby Hurley gets us in the tourney in year 2 of his tenure we will all be pretty psyched. Your knock against him is that...he's not a home run?
He was an extremely successful point guard - point guards often make the best coaches for the obvious reasons.
He has learned from 2 of the best. Both of whom I'm sure he will seek advice from and continue to learn from.
He's not some former college star and NBA player who is just hoping a big time job falls into his lap. Hell, he worked on his YOUNGER brother's staff at a low major and mid major school before becoming head coach at a low/mid major. There he turned around the program instantly and dramatically.
Is Bobby Hurley a home run? Let's say he's a hard hit liner to left in Fenway Park. He could be a home run, he could be a double or triple off the wall depending on how the ball bounces, or he could be a hard single off the wall...but he's definitely moving the guys around the bases and improving the program, whether its by a little bit or by a ton.
Guys like Bobby Hurley who work like him don't fail. Think about the head coaches in big conferences who have failed. How many of them have had the fire AND success in life while working hard for it every step of the way like Bobby Hurley?
Guys like that just win. Period.
Holy Marillac
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
lmao There ya go Fordham, we both are someone else (me being Joe3, and you being realfan.).
Just laugh
Wonder how many other times Dinkins called posters on here other posters 20+ over the years?
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In my opinion, Without that shot and Laetner being perfect beating UNLV Duke isn't Duke. Coach K doesn't coach the USA team and Hurley is remembered as the little white PG who got abused by Anderson Hunt. I am not against Bobby Hurley but 2 years in the MAC. Not a great resume. Would rather hire him next year, so he can come in a more stable environment. Bobby Hurley may be a great coach paying him plus Lavin next year and losing 20 games doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
And without Kareem, UCLA never becomes UCLA. Talk about throwing out hypotheticals that have no basis in reality.
Now back to reality. Hurley and Duke's back to back title legacy is one of the most memorable periods in the modern game.
2 years in the MAC and already an NCAA berth. He lead them to their first NCAA appearance in the school's history. Pretty damn impressive. If you put Lavin in the MAC, he'd be relegated to total anonymity and never be in the Dance.
Hurley would be a vast upgrade over Lavin. It's not like the team's ever getting any better under Lavin than what we saw this year. This year was Lavin's peak. SJU may have to take a step back with Hurley because of the roster depletion next year. However long term Hurley can build a program that gets better and more talented every year, unlike Lavin.
That is a lot of assumptions you just made but stated as facts. I don't know if Hurley will be a good coach, and you don't either. To say that Lavin peaked is ridiculous. Let's see how it plays out and wish for the best.
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
It is not fair.
Pretty damn sure if Bobby Hurley gets us in the tourney in year 2 of his tenure we will all be pretty psyched. Your knock against him is that...he's not a home run?
He was an extremely successful point guard - point guards often make the best coaches for the obvious reasons.
He has learned from 2 of the best. Both of whom I'm sure he will seek advice from and continue to learn from.
He's not some former college star and NBA player who is just hoping a big time job falls into his lap. Hell, he worked on his YOUNGER brother's staff at a low major and mid major school before becoming head coach at a low/mid major. There he turned around the program instantly and dramatically.
Is Bobby Hurley a home run? Let's say he's a hard hit liner to left in Fenway Park. He could be a home run, he could be a double or triple off the wall depending on how the ball bounces, or he could be a hard single off the wall...but he's definitely moving the guys around the bases and improving the program, whether its by a little bit or by a ton.
Guys like Bobby Hurley who work like him don't fail. Think about the head coaches in big conferences who have failed. How many of them have had the fire AND success in life while working hard for it every step of the way like Bobby Hurley?
Guys like that just win. Period.
Holy Marillac
HA! That made me laugh out loud. Nothing's wrong with being a little marillac-esque...especially when you are right like I am about Bobby (for the record I think Danny is just as good a hire).
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
lmao There ya go Fordham, we both are someone else (me being Joe3, and you being realfan.).
Just laugh
Wonder how many other times Dinkins called posters on here other posters 20+ over the years?
Common sense should've told you that I wasn't talking about fordham.
Guilty conscience speaking, huh, nitwit?
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
lmao There ya go Fordham, we both are someone else (me being Joe3, and you being realfan.).
Just laugh
Wonder how many other times Dinkins called posters on here other posters 20+ over the years?
Common sense should've told you that I wasn't talking about fordham.
Guilty conscience speaking, huh, nitwit?
Name calling now? I see, you got the mentality of a kid. Aren't you an adult? Pretty sad, but you just be you.
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
lmao There ya go Fordham, we both are someone else (me being Joe3, and you being realfan.).
Just laugh
Wonder how many other times Dinkins called posters on here other posters 20+ over the years?
Common sense should've told you that I wasn't talking about fordham.
Guilty conscience speaking, huh, nitwit?
Name calling now? I see, you got the mentality of a kid. Aren't you an adult? Pretty sad, but you just be you.
I call it (you) how I see it.
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Except for this board, and Twitter has any major NYC newspaper or espn have actually written anything on Lavin's status? Maybe this story seems like a bigger deal because people here are super engaged compared to the average fan and recruit who is concentrating on the NCAA...
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
lmao There ya go Fordham, we both are someone else (me being Joe3, and you being realfan.).
Just laugh
Wonder how many other times Dinkins called posters on here other posters 20+ over the years?
Common sense should've told you that I wasn't talking about fordham.
Guilty conscience speaking, huh, nitwit?
Name calling now? I see, you got the mentality of a kid. Aren't you an adult? Pretty sad, but you just be you.
Someone can't hold a conversation without calling names
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
It is not fair.
Pretty damn sure if Bobby Hurley gets us in the tourney in year 2 of his tenure we will all be pretty psyched. Your knock against him is that...he's not a home run?
He was an extremely successful point guard - point guards often make the best coaches for the obvious reasons.
He has learned from 2 of the best. Both of whom I'm sure he will seek advice from and continue to learn from.
He's not some former college star and NBA player who is just hoping a big time job falls into his lap. Hell, he worked on his YOUNGER brother's staff at a low major and mid major school before becoming head coach at a low/mid major. There he turned around the program instantly and dramatically.
Is Bobby Hurley a home run? Let's say he's a hard hit liner to left in Fenway Park. He could be a home run, he could be a double or triple off the wall depending on how the ball bounces, or he could be a hard single off the wall...but he's definitely moving the guys around the bases and improving the program, whether its by a little bit or by a ton.
Guys like Bobby Hurley who work like him don't fail. Think about the head coaches in big conferences who have failed. How many of them have had the fire AND success in life while working hard for it every step of the way like Bobby Hurley?
Guys like that just win. Period.
Holy Marillac
HA! That made me laugh out loud. Nothing's wrong with being a little marillac-esque...especially when you are right like I am about Bobby (for the record I think Danny is just as good a hire).
Haha happen to agree with both of you, think he will be successful.
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Not fxcking with anyone. What is the next level? Xavier is in the sweet 16 . Are they in the next level? We beat them twice.
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
lmao There ya go Fordham, we both are someone else (me being Joe3, and you being realfan.).
Just laugh
Wonder how many other times Dinkins called posters on here other posters 20+ over the years?
Common sense should've told you that I wasn't talking about fordham.
Guilty conscience speaking, huh, nitwit?
Name calling now? I see, you got the mentality of a kid. Aren't you an adult? Pretty sad, but you just be you.
I call it (you) how I see it.
ok there you funny guy.
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what? ???
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Straight up...
You're in the office with the AD and Prez...
They tell you "we will pick whoever you want among Lavin, Hurley 1 & 2, and Masiello. Years 1-2 do not matter, but at the end of year 10 in 2025, we want to exceed where we've been the past 35 years for any given 10 year period."
Who do you choose, taking into account Lavin is young enough to go another 10 years?
Honestly I would take Lavin.
I would.
BTW-Here is some experience. If you came to me 11 years ago or 9 years ago and said in 10 years who would you rather have, Norm Roberts or Bobby Gonzalez?
I would have said Bobby in a heartbeat. No questions asked. Now, no way. Not to suggest Norm was Bobby Knight but...
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
lmao There ya go Fordham, we both are someone else (me being Joe3, and you being realfan.).
Just laugh
Wonder how many other times Dinkins called posters on here other posters 20+ over the years?
Common sense should've told you that I wasn't talking about fordham.
Guilty conscience speaking, huh, nitwit?
Name calling now? I see, you got the mentality of a kid. Aren't you an adult? Pretty sad, but you just be you.
I call it (you) how I see it.
That's all you do. Critique posters.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
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Anyone else bothered by the fact Bobby Hurley is a whiny little bitch from Duke?
Just throwing that out there..
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Not fxcking with anyone. What is the next level? Xavier is in the sweet 16 . Are they in the next level? We beat them twice.
I would definitely consider Xavier next level. 13 NCAA tournament appearances since 2001, and 5 sweet 16s since 2008. I would kill for that type of success here. I don't care who beats me in the regular season, 5 sweet 16s in 7 years is great success
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Anyone else bothered by the fact Bobby Hurley is a whiny little bitch from Duke?
Just throwing that out there..
Doesn't bother me as much as the countless excuses Lavin makes for all his shortcomings
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
His results prove nothing. What results, he is 25-11 in a 1 bid conference? What pedigree? The one that has led Johnny Dawkins to 7 nondescript years at Stanford. How about Quinn Snyder? How about Tommy Amaker? Cut and ran from SHU and then spent what 6 years at Michigan failing to make 1 NCAA.
Please.
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what? ???
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Straight up...
You're in the office with the AD and Prez...
They tell you "we will pick whoever you want among Lavin, Hurley 1 & 2, and Masiello. Years 1-2 do not matter, but at the end of year 10 in 2025, we want to exceed where we've been the past 35 years for any given 10 year period."
Who do you choose, taking into account Lavin is young enough to go another 10 years?
Honestly I would take Lavin.
I would.
BTW-Here is some experience. If you came to me 11 years ago or 9 years ago and said in 10 years who would you rather have, Norm Roberts or Bobby Gonzalez?
I would have said Bobby in a heartbeat. No questions asked. Now, no way. Not to suggest Norm was Bobby Knight but...
Here's the thing fordham, I think Lavin is clearly most proven of them. If you want 2-3 NCAA tourney bids every 5-6 years, occasional stud recruits and don't mind a horribly coached team in the process, lavin is your guy.
However, he has proven, I believe, that he is never going to be any better than that. And that is not good enough. And whether its true or not, he's given an appearance that he has taken recruiting season's off before. That just doesn't cut it as coach of st. john's unless you are bringing in hoards of MCDAAs. How many of those has he brought in again? Same amount as Norm and less than every other coach in history here? Yeah that's right.
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
lmao There ya go Fordham, we both are someone else (me being Joe3, and you being realfan.).
Just laugh
Wonder how many other times Dinkins called posters on here other posters 20+ over the years?
Common sense should've told you that I wasn't talking about fordham.
Guilty conscience speaking, huh, nitwit?
Name calling now? I see, you got the mentality of a kid. Aren't you an adult? Pretty sad, but you just be you.
Someone can't hold a conversation without calling names
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Anyone else bothered by the fact Bobby Hurley is a whiny little bitch from Duke?
Just throwing that out there..
Doesn't bother me as much as the countless excuses Lavin makes for all his shortcomings
Lavin is in your head brother.. You need to take a walk around the block.. You sound disturbed, honestly.
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
lmao There ya go Fordham, we both are someone else (me being Joe3, and you being realfan.).
Just laugh
Wonder how many other times Dinkins called posters on here other posters 20+ over the years?
Common sense should've told you that I wasn't talking about fordham.
Guilty conscience speaking, huh, nitwit?
Name calling now? I see, you got the mentality of a kid. Aren't you an adult? Pretty sad, but you just be you.
I call it (you) how I see it.
That's all you do. Critique posters.
I'd tell you the same in person.
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what? ???
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Straight up...
You're in the office with the AD and Prez...
They tell you "we will pick whoever you want among Lavin, Hurley 1 & 2, and Masiello. Years 1-2 do not matter, but at the end of year 10 in 2025, we want to exceed where we've been the past 35 years for any given 10 year period."
Who do you choose, taking into account Lavin is young enough to go another 10 years?
Honestly I would take Lavin.
I would.
BTW-Here is some experience. If you came to me 11 years ago or 9 years ago and said in 10 years who would you rather have, Norm Roberts or Bobby Gonzalez?
I would have said Bobby in a heartbeat. No questions asked. Now, no way. Not to suggest Norm was Bobby Knight but...
Here's the thing fordham, I think Lavin is clearly most proven of them. If you want 2-3 NCAA tourney bids every 5-6 years, occasional stud recruits and don't mind a horribly coached team in the process, lavin is your guy.
However, he has proven, I believe, that he is never going to be any better than that. And that is not good enough. And whether its true or not, he's given an appearance that he has taken recruiting season's off before. That just doesn't cut it as coach of st. john's unless you are bringing in hoards of MCDAAs. How many of those has he brought in again? Same amount as Norm and less than every other coach in history here? Yeah that's right.
No I don't want that. That is why I am not opposed to a change necessarily. But barring a clear upgrade I would give him a couple of years to see where we are in 2017. What is the talent level? And is SJU positioned to challenge consistently for a BE title.
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Stop the back and forth on the thread.
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What will happen is that Lavin will be extended. He has run a clean program and SJU believes this is more important than winning. Mullin loves SJU but is not coming, it is a losing proposition. He is the only hope, with his fame etc he could probably sell SJU to the kids and coach them well. What we need is a hard worker, whoever that might be, seems either Hurley fits the bill. Won't happen though, we are stuck with Lavin unless HE decides to leave. SJU, even with a mediocre campus, should not be a hard sell because NY is the greatest city in the world and we play at the Garden. I thought Lavin would work out because he has the rep as a salesman, snakeoil or not, and should have been able to sell it. So, find a hardworking salesman who can coach a bit. Most potential coaches would love to come here if they saw any potential in the program. Best schools in the world for your kids and NYC. Not the boring rolling hills of KY, the overbuilt mess that is Florida, the mediocrity of central NC. Been all over and NY is it if you can afford it. NY man, NY. WHY SO HARD A SELL?
Lavin returns, he is a mediocre coach and we will continue to be average at best. At least I have the hope that maybe, just maybe, he can learn to sell the city to the kids. No reason why the prime NYC program should not be atop ten program.
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Not fxcking with anyone. What is the next level? Xavier is in the sweet 16 . Are they in the next level? We beat them twice.
I would definitely consider Xavier next level. 13 NCAA tournament appearances since 2001, and 5 sweet 16s since 2008. I would kill for that type of success here. I don't care who beats me in the regular season, 5 sweet 16s in 7 years is great success
good answer. I didnt know that. Not trying to mess with you either. I don't see Chris Mack being better then Lavin
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Straight up...
You're in the office with the AD and Prez...
They tell you "we will pick whoever you want among Lavin, Hurley 1 & 2, and Masiello. Years 1-2 do not matter, but at the end of year 10 in 2025, we want to exceed where we've been the past 35 years for any given 10 year period."
Who do you choose, taking into account Lavin is young enough to go another 10 years?
I'll take Danny Hurley over all of those guys. And, I'm no fan of that pageant mom, either.
Bobby Hurley is fool's gold. Someone earlier mentioned he's "paid his dues as an assistant". He spent a decade not involved in basketball, but instead losing his shirt in horseracing. Danny threw him a bone and brought him on HIS staff at Wagner. Two years at Wagner, one at URI and suddenly he's a HC at Buffalo. Talk about paying your dues.
Danny has really worked his way up the ladder. And, he's proven to build a program at URI. It was terrible when he got there, and he won 23 games in year 3 with a really young squad. I imagine they'll be picked at the top of the league next year.
Like I said, his theatrics annoy the hell out of me, but I'll bank on the coaching lifer who's won at multiple spots as he works his way up the ladder than the flash-in-the-pan two year guy.
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People think bringing Lavin back is the death knell of the program as if his 5 year run is the worst thing since slice bread. Chris Mack of Xavier is 19-17 in BE play the last 2 years (Lavin is 20-16) and the year before that he failed to make the NCAA's or the NIT in his last year in the A-10. And no one thinks he is anything but one of the best young coaches in America.
Yet they admit if things don't work out with one of their "can't misses" that SJU can simply move on in a few years.
If Lavin gets extended it won't mean if things don't look good in a few years SJU can't move on either.
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Not fxcking with anyone. What is the next level? Xavier is in the sweet 16 . Are they in the next level? We beat them twice.
I would definitely consider Xavier next level. 13 NCAA tournament appearances since 2001, and 5 sweet 16s since 2008. I would kill for that type of success here. I don't care who beats me in the regular season, 5 sweet 16s in 7 years is great success
good answer. I didnt know that. Not trying to mess with you either. I don't see Chris Mack being better then Lavin
Mack is good because he knows what it takes to maintain a successful program and he knows how to build a roster. He might not be the best X's and O's guy or best recruiter but he's good enough at both to stay successful
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
His results prove nothing. What results, he is 25-11 in a 1 bid conference? What pedigree? The one that has led Johnny Dawkins to 7 nondescript years at Stanford. How about Quinn Snyder? How about Tommy Amaker? Cut and ran from SHU and then spent what 6 years at Michigan failing to make 1 NCAA.
Please.
Fordham, Bobby never coached under K and to be honest, that makes his candidacy even more impressive in my eyes. He shouldn't be lumped together with the others coming out of K's stable. His pedigree is he is one of the greatest PG's over the last 25 years in college basketball and played for 2 hall of fame coaches. You can argue he needs more seasoning, but the early returns are very good at Buffalo. I trust he will only get better.
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
lmao There ya go Fordham, we both are someone else (me being Joe3, and you being realfan.).
Just laugh
Wonder how many other times Dinkins called posters on here other posters 20+ over the years?
Common sense should've told you that I wasn't talking about fordham.
Guilty conscience speaking, huh, nitwit?
Name calling now? I see, you got the mentality of a kid. Aren't you an adult? Pretty sad, but you just be you.
I call it (you) how I see it.
That's all you do. Critique posters.
I'd tell you the same in person.
Watch out Baldi, he's the killer clown, be careful
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
His results prove nothing. What results, he is 25-11 in a 1 bid conference? What pedigree? The one that has led Johnny Dawkins to 7 nondescript years at Stanford. How about Quinn Snyder? How about Tommy Amaker? Cut and ran from SHU and then spent what 6 years at Michigan failing to make 1 NCAA.
Please.
Comparing bobby Hurley to the other former dukies you mentioned is silly.
The other guys you mentioned were all long time assistants under coach K whose FIRST coaching gig was in a big time conference. None of them worked themselves up the ladder without the help of coach K so it is possible they got better jobs than they deserved solely because of coach Ks success.
Bobby worked under his brother at Wagner and URI and then his first head coaching job was at buffalo. He rolled up his sleeves. He's proven himself on his own.
That's the first thing that should give you more confidence that bobby will not be like them.
And for the record amaker seems like a great coach. I think if another big time job came his way that he wanted he would succeed.
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Not fxcking with anyone. What is the next level? Xavier is in the sweet 16 . Are they in the next level? We beat them twice.
I would definitely consider Xavier next level. 13 NCAA tournament appearances since 2001, and 5 sweet 16s since 2008. I would kill for that type of success here. I don't care who beats me in the regular season, 5 sweet 16s in 7 years is great success
good answer. I didnt know that. Not trying to mess with you either. I don't see Chris Mack being better then Lavin
That's ridiculous. He has 40 losses the last 3 years. I think he is great coach. But he got to play Miss St two days after they came back down 18 from BYU and then played Georgia St. You cannot equalize all sweet 16's.
NC St has more sweet 16's then Villanova the last 4 years despite just barely making the Tourney in 2012 and 2014 and never doing better than an 8th seed but by definition Gottfried has been more successful than Jay Wright at Villanova? No he is not.
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Not fxcking with anyone. What is the next level? Xavier is in the sweet 16 . Are they in the next level? We beat them twice.
I would definitely consider Xavier next level. 13 NCAA tournament appearances since 2001, and 5 sweet 16s since 2008. I would kill for that type of success here. I don't care who beats me in the regular season, 5 sweet 16s in 7 years is great success
good answer. I didnt know that. Not trying to mess with you either. I don't see Chris Mack being better then Lavin
That's ridiculous. He has 40 losses the last 3 years. I think he is great coach. But he got to play Miss St two days after they came back down 18 from BYU and then played Georgia St. You cannot equalize all sweet 16's.
NC St has more sweet 16's then Villanova the last 4 years despite just barely making the Tourney in 2012 and 2014 and never doing better than an 8th seed but by definition Gottfried has been more successful than Jay Wright at Villanova? No he is not.
So you point out one easy road to the sweet 16 and that eliminates all of their success? How about the three sweet 16s they made in the 4 years period between 09-12? Or the elite 8 they made in 2008? If Xavier isn't the next level then I don't know what is. Yes, the missed the tournament in 2013 but so did Kentucky. One down year out of 10 does not make a program bad
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
His results prove nothing. What results, he is 25-11 in a 1 bid conference? What pedigree? The one that has led Johnny Dawkins to 7 nondescript years at Stanford. How about Quinn Snyder? How about Tommy Amaker? Cut and ran from SHU and then spent what 6 years at Michigan failing to make 1 NCAA.
Please.
Comparing bobby Hurley to the other former dukies you mentioned is silly.
The other guys you mentioned were all long time assistants under coach K whose FIRST coaching gig was in a big time conference. None of them worked themselves up the ladder without the help of coach K so it is possible they got better jobs than they deserved solely because of coach Ks success.
Bobby worked under his brother at Wagner and URI and then his first head coaching job was at buffalo. He rolled up his sleeves. He's proven himself on his own.
That's the first thing that should give you more confidence that bobby will not be like them.
And for the record amaker seems like a great coach. I think if another big time job came his way that he wanted he would succeed.
First off he used the term pedigree. That means Duke and Coach K, guy.
Secondly you made my other point. The idea that 2 years at a 1 bid mid major gives you the warm and fuzzies as opposed to coaching directly at a major, congrats.
He has barely recruited his own players and has not graduated one of his own recruits.
Right he is so much more qualified because he coached 2 years at Buffalo then Dawkins is now at Stanford. Right.
By the way how do you explain Amaker at Michigan after SHU?
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Anyone else bothered by the fact Bobby Hurley is a whiny little bitch from Duke?
Just throwing that out there..
Wade Boggs, Dwight Gooden, David Cone, Darryl Strawberry and Roger Clemens were Yankees.
And for the record, Hurley was as tough as any Johnny I've ever seen.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
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@fordham96 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=637) is bringing his fact checker hard tonight.
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
lmao There ya go Fordham, we both are someone else (me being Joe3, and you being realfan.).
Just laugh
Wonder how many other times Dinkins called posters on here other posters 20+ over the years?
Common sense should've told you that I wasn't talking about fordham.
Guilty conscience speaking, huh, nitwit?
Name calling now? I see, you got the mentality of a kid. Aren't you an adult? Pretty sad, but you just be you.
I call it (you) how I see it.
That's all you do. Critique posters.
I'd tell you the same in person.
Watch out Baldi, he's the killer clown, be careful
So cute in that lil hat
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
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Anyone else bothered by the fact Bobby Hurley is a whiny little bitch from Duke?
Just throwing that out there..
Wade Boggs, Dwight Gooden, David Cone, Darryl Strawberry and Roger Clemens were Yankees.
And for the record, Hurley was as tough as any Johnny I've ever seen.
I hate the Yankees.. So your point makes no sense.. And I was half joking, kind of
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
His results prove nothing. What results, he is 25-11 in a 1 bid conference? What pedigree? The one that has led Johnny Dawkins to 7 nondescript years at Stanford. How about Quinn Snyder? How about Tommy Amaker? Cut and ran from SHU and then spent what 6 years at Michigan failing to make 1 NCAA.
Please.
Comparing bobby Hurley to the other former dukies you mentioned is silly.
The other guys you mentioned were all long time assistants under coach K whose FIRST coaching gig was in a big time conference. None of them worked themselves up the ladder without the help of coach K so it is possible they got better jobs than they deserved solely because of coach Ks success.
Bobby worked under his brother at Wagner and URI and then his first head coaching job was at buffalo. He rolled up his sleeves. He's proven himself on his own.
That's the first thing that should give you more confidence that bobby will not be like them.
And for the record amaker seems like a great coach. I think if another big time job came his way that he wanted he would succeed.
First off he used the term pedigree. That means Duke and Coach K, guy.
Secondly you made my other point. The idea that 2 years at a 1 bid mid major gives you the warm and fuzzies as opposed to coaching directly at a major, congrats.
He has barely recruited his own players and has not graduated one of his own recruits.
Right he is so much more qualified because he coached 2 years at Buffalo then Dawkins is now at Stanford. Right.
By the way how do you explain Amaker at Michigan after SHU?
It boggles my mind when seemingly intelligent people who have seen the Amazing job amaker has done at Harvard somehow think Michigan proves he can't hack it.
First, amaker took over a terrible team. Second, in amakers second year there, Michigan self imposed probation and sanctions due to the Ed Martin scandal. Then the NCAA doubled those penalties so it appeared 2003-04 would be no playoffs either. It was later overturned. How easy do you think recruiting was during that time? Even the posters who were the biggest anti norm guys gave him a bit of a break his first few years. Amaker didn't know he was going to be coaching at a school w all those sanctions and probation. It happened in year 2. If anyone deserves a reprieve on their head coaching stint at a major school it's tommy amaker and Michigan. Come on, "guy".
Next, I didn't realize the term pedigree meant coach K. Wait it doesn't, and in this instance it would be referring to his father, his brother, and coach K. And whatever he meant it, Hurley was never an assistant at Duke like the guys you mentioned. You know who else wasnt an assistant at Duke before coaching? Current Duke assiatant Jeff Capel who succeeded at VCU and then has an elite 8 run at Oklahoma. Why'd you leave him out? He also has the pedigree from his own father and brother. If anyone would be a good Hurley comparison from Duke its him.
Finally I never said bobby Hurley is more qualified than Johnny Dawkins. If you are looking for a respectable mediocre coach who will get you to a sweet 16/ncaa once every five years Johnny is your guy. Not too dissimilar from coach lavin.
Bobby is all about projecting potential. Same with Danny. Guys like lavin and Dawkins have already proven their ceiling isn't annual ncaa appearances and extremely well coached teams.
Do you really not get the difference?
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Thanks Dave.
Again I am not saying the Hurley's or others could not succeed at the next level. They may. But the idea that you guys are convinced on very thin resumes and with little evidence other than a "close loss" is just mind boggling. And the certainty of which you speak is equally perplexing.
BTW-How many wins does Bobby Hurley have at Buffalo over top 100 teams in two years? Seriously, how many?
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Let me repeat this for everyone to understand. Many of the excuses you make for other coaches are not excuses you would make for a coach at SJU.
Two reasons for that: 1)You have already decided that you want your current coach out so who cares if you are not consistent and 2)You are not a fan of those other schools so it is very easy for you to make excuses for THOSE coaches when in fact you would NEVER afford the same for your current coach.
It is not fair.
He sounds like realfan.
lmao There ya go Fordham, we both are someone else (me being Joe3, and you being realfan.).
Just laugh
Wonder how many other times Dinkins called posters on here other posters 20+ over the years?
Common sense should've told you that I wasn't talking about fordham.
Guilty conscience speaking, huh, nitwit?
Name calling now? I see, you got the mentality of a kid. Aren't you an adult? Pretty sad, but you just be you.
I call it (you) how I see it.
That's all you do. Critique posters.
I'd tell you the same in person.
Watch out Baldi, he's the killer clown, be careful
So cute in that lil hat
lmfao, yeah you seen the picture in that bar
uhhhhhhhhhh duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hahahaha oh lordy
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
His results prove nothing. What results, he is 25-11 in a 1 bid conference? What pedigree? The one that has led Johnny Dawkins to 7 nondescript years at Stanford. How about Quinn Snyder? How about Tommy Amaker? Cut and ran from SHU and then spent what 6 years at Michigan failing to make 1 NCAA.
Please.
Comparing bobby Hurley to the other former dukies you mentioned is silly.
The other guys you mentioned were all long time assistants under coach K whose FIRST coaching gig was in a big time conference. None of them worked themselves up the ladder without the help of coach K so it is possible they got better jobs than they deserved solely because of coach Ks success.
Bobby worked under his brother at Wagner and URI and then his first head coaching job was at buffalo. He rolled up his sleeves. He's proven himself on his own.
That's the first thing that should give you more confidence that bobby will not be like them.
And for the record amaker seems like a great coach. I think if another big time job came his way that he wanted he would succeed.
First off he used the term pedigree. That means Duke and Coach K, guy.
Secondly you made my other point. The idea that 2 years at a 1 bid mid major gives you the warm and fuzzies as opposed to coaching directly at a major, congrats.
He has barely recruited his own players and has not graduated one of his own recruits.
Right he is so much more qualified because he coached 2 years at Buffalo then Dawkins is now at Stanford. Right.
By the way how do you explain Amaker at Michigan after SHU?
It boggles my mind when seemingly intelligent people who have seen the Amazing job amaker has done at Harvard somehow think Michigan proves he can't hack it.
First, amaker took over a terrible team. Second, in amakers second year there, Michigan self imposed probation and sanctions due to the Ed Martin scandal. Then the NCAA doubled those penalties so it appeared 2003-04 would be no playoffs either. It was later overturned. How easy do you think recruiting was during that time? Even the posters who were the biggest anti norm guys gave him a bit of a break his first few years. Amaker didn't know he was going to be coaching at a school w all those sanctions and probation. It happened in year 2. If anyone deserves a reprieve on their head coaching stint at a major school it's tommy amaker and Michigan. Come on, "guy".
Next, I didn't realize the term pedigree meant coach K. Wait it doesn't, and in this instance it would be referring to his father, his brother, and coach K. And whatever he meant it, Hurley was never an assistant at Duke like the guys you mentioned. You know who else wasnt an assistant at Duke before coaching? Current Duke assiatant Jeff Capel who succeeded at VCU and then has an elite 8 run at Oklahoma. Why'd you leave him out? He also has the pedigree from his own father and brother. If anyone would be a good Hurley comparison from Duke its him.
Finally I never said bobby Hurley is more qualified than Johnny Dawkins. If you are looking for a respectable mediocre coach who will get you to a sweet 16/ncaa once every five years Johnny is your guy. Not too dissimilar from coach lavin.
Bobby is all about projecting potential. Same with Danny. Guys like lavin and Dawkins have already proven their ceiling isn't annual ncaa appearances and extremely well coaches teams.
Do you really not get the difference?
Are you serious? OMG.
Amaker at Harvard where he brings in top 50-75 talent never seen before in the Ivy...
I mean seriously...guy..no I can't anymore.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
But that is the ultimate point... Unless you hire a proven commodity, statistics prove that hiring a Bobby Hurley, or Mike Rice, or Bobby Gonzalez, or whomever fail many more times then they succeed. Yet, many talk as if any of these guys are head and shoulders better than Lavin and will achieve better results. Good luck
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
But that is the ultimate point... Unless you hire a proven commodity, statistics prove that hiring a Bobby Hurley, or Mike Rice, or Bobby Gonzalez, or whomever fail many more times then they succeed. Yet, many talk as if any of these guys are head and shoulders better than Lavin and will achieve better results. Good luck
BINGO...DING DING DING DING...
Winner winner Chicken Dinner!!!
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@Tha Kid (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2) I wouldn't put Bobby and Danny in the same category. Bobby still has a lot to prove.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
His results prove nothing. What results, he is 25-11 in a 1 bid conference? What pedigree? The one that has led Johnny Dawkins to 7 nondescript years at Stanford. How about Quinn Snyder? How about Tommy Amaker? Cut and ran from SHU and then spent what 6 years at Michigan failing to make 1 NCAA.
Please.
Comparing bobby Hurley to the other former dukies you mentioned is silly.
The other guys you mentioned were all long time assistants under coach K whose FIRST coaching gig was in a big time conference. None of them worked themselves up the ladder without the help of coach K so it is possible they got better jobs than they deserved solely because of coach Ks success.
Bobby worked under his brother at Wagner and URI and then his first head coaching job was at buffalo. He rolled up his sleeves. He's proven himself on his own.
That's the first thing that should give you more confidence that bobby will not be like them.
And for the record amaker seems like a great coach. I think if another big time job came his way that he wanted he would succeed.
First off he used the term pedigree. That means Duke and Coach K, guy.
Secondly you made my other point. The idea that 2 years at a 1 bid mid major gives you the warm and fuzzies as opposed to coaching directly at a major, congrats.
He has barely recruited his own players and has not graduated one of his own recruits.
Right he is so much more qualified because he coached 2 years at Buffalo then Dawkins is now at Stanford. Right.
By the way how do you explain Amaker at Michigan after SHU?
It boggles my mind when seemingly intelligent people who have seen the Amazing job amaker has done at Harvard somehow think Michigan proves he can't hack it.
First, amaker took over a terrible team. Second, in amakers second year there, Michigan self imposed probation and sanctions due to the Ed Martin scandal. Then the NCAA doubled those penalties so it appeared 2003-04 would be no playoffs either. It was later overturned. How easy do you think recruiting was during that time? Even the posters who were the biggest anti norm guys gave him a bit of a break his first few years. Amaker didn't know he was going to be coaching at a school w all those sanctions and probation. It happened in year 2. If anyone deserves a reprieve on their head coaching stint at a major school it's tommy amaker and Michigan. Come on, "guy".
Next, I didn't realize the term pedigree meant coach K. Wait it doesn't, and in this instance it would be referring to his father, his brother, and coach K. And whatever he meant it, Hurley was never an assistant at Duke like the guys you mentioned. You know who else wasnt an assistant at Duke before coaching? Current Duke assiatant Jeff Capel who succeeded at VCU and then has an elite 8 run at Oklahoma. Why'd you leave him out? He also has the pedigree from his own father and brother. If anyone would be a good Hurley comparison from Duke its him.
Finally I never said bobby Hurley is more qualified than Johnny Dawkins. If you are looking for a respectable mediocre coach who will get you to a sweet 16/ncaa once every five years Johnny is your guy. Not too dissimilar from coach lavin.
Bobby is all about projecting potential. Same with Danny. Guys like lavin and Dawkins have already proven their ceiling isn't annual ncaa appearances and extremely well coaches teams.
Do you really not get the difference?
Are you serious? OMG.
Amaker at Harvard where he brings in top 50-75 talent never seen before in the Ivy...
I mean seriously...guy..no I can't anymore.
you are makin my point for me rather than the other way around. Tommy amaker is recruiting top 50-75 talent to Harvard. Harvard! And he has WON 2 first round games with Harvard. Harvard! In the NCAAs!
That's one more ncaa win than St. John's has in the last 16 seasons.
But yeah tommy is a joke.
And of course you have no comment on anything else. When people disagree w you on the board and make solid points rather than concede anything or make intelligent points back, you pick whatever you think is their worst argument and harp on that and then like a teenage girl say "OMG....I can't anymore"
You seem like you know basketball. You really can't engage in respectful intelligent discussion that disagrees with you?
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BTW-I am surprised no one has brought up Mike Lonergan (if they did I missed it).
I don't love him but his turnaround at GW is at least on par with Hurley at URI. Back to back 20 win seasons and NCAA and NIT last 2 years.
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Also for the record I think a lot of the former Duke players make really good coaches.
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Anyone else bothered by the fact Bobby Hurley is a whiny little bitch from Duke?
Just throwing that out there..
Wade Boggs, Dwight Gooden, David Cone, Darryl Strawberry and Roger Clemens were Yankees.
And for the record, Hurley was as tough as any Johnny I've ever seen.
I hate the Yankees.. So your point makes no sense.. And I was half joking, kind of
You're allowed to hate them. If I was Mets fan, I'd hate them too. When he's on another team, he's an a-hole. When he's on your team, he's your a-hole.
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@Tha Kid (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2) I wouldn't put Bobby and Danny in the same category. Bobby still has a lot to prove.
You may be right Dave but Danny also has a lot to prove. My thing is more is Danny really going to jump to St. John's now when seton hall job is his next year likely if he wants it, which may be after an awesome year at URI which will likely increase the numbers for his contract?
I am all for bobby or Danny. But I think bobby is likely to be more attainable immediately. And I do like the coach K connection for my own personal bias which Danny doesn't have.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
His results prove nothing. What results, he is 25-11 in a 1 bid conference? What pedigree? The one that has led Johnny Dawkins to 7 nondescript years at Stanford. How about Quinn Snyder? How about Tommy Amaker? Cut and ran from SHU and then spent what 6 years at Michigan failing to make 1 NCAA.
Please.
Comparing bobby Hurley to the other former dukies you mentioned is silly.
The other guys you mentioned were all long time assistants under coach K whose FIRST coaching gig was in a big time conference. None of them worked themselves up the ladder without the help of coach K so it is possible they got better jobs than they deserved solely because of coach Ks success.
Bobby worked under his brother at Wagner and URI and then his first head coaching job was at buffalo. He rolled up his sleeves. He's proven himself on his own.
That's the first thing that should give you more confidence that bobby will not be like them.
And for the record amaker seems like a great coach. I think if another big time job came his way that he wanted he would succeed.
First off he used the term pedigree. That means Duke and Coach K, guy.
Secondly you made my other point. The idea that 2 years at a 1 bid mid major gives you the warm and fuzzies as opposed to coaching directly at a major, congrats.
He has barely recruited his own players and has not graduated one of his own recruits.
Right he is so much more qualified because he coached 2 years at Buffalo then Dawkins is now at Stanford. Right.
By the way how do you explain Amaker at Michigan after SHU?
It boggles my mind when seemingly intelligent people who have seen the Amazing job amaker has done at Harvard somehow think Michigan proves he can't hack it.
First, amaker took over a terrible team. Second, in amakers second year there, Michigan self imposed probation and sanctions due to the Ed Martin scandal. Then the NCAA doubled those penalties so it appeared 2003-04 would be no playoffs either. It was later overturned. How easy do you think recruiting was during that time? Even the posters who were the biggest anti norm guys gave him a bit of a break his first few years. Amaker didn't know he was going to be coaching at a school w all those sanctions and probation. It happened in year 2. If anyone deserves a reprieve on their head coaching stint at a major school it's tommy amaker and Michigan. Come on, "guy".
Next, I didn't realize the term pedigree meant coach K. Wait it doesn't, and in this instance it would be referring to his father, his brother, and coach K. And whatever he meant it, Hurley was never an assistant at Duke like the guys you mentioned. You know who else wasnt an assistant at Duke before coaching? Current Duke assiatant Jeff Capel who succeeded at VCU and then has an elite 8 run at Oklahoma. Why'd you leave him out? He also has the pedigree from his own father and brother. If anyone would be a good Hurley comparison from Duke its him.
Finally I never said bobby Hurley is more qualified than Johnny Dawkins. If you are looking for a respectable mediocre coach who will get you to a sweet 16/ncaa once every five years Johnny is your guy. Not too dissimilar from coach lavin.
Bobby is all about projecting potential. Same with Danny. Guys like lavin and Dawkins have already proven their ceiling isn't annual ncaa appearances and extremely well coaches teams.
Do you really not get the difference?
Are you serious? OMG.
Amaker at Harvard where he brings in top 50-75 talent never seen before in the Ivy...
I mean seriously...guy..no I can't anymore.
you are makin my point for me rather than the other way around. Tommy amaker is recruiting top 50-75 talent to Harvard. Harvard! And he has WON 2 first round games with Harvard. Harvard! In the NCAAs!
That's one more ncaa win than St. John's has in the last 16 seasons.
But yeah tommy is a joke.
And of course you have no comment on anything else. When people disagree w you on the board and make solid points rather than concede anything or make intelligent points back, you pick whatever you think is their worst argument and harp on that and then like a teenage girl say "OMG....I can't anymore"
You seem like you know basketball. You really can't engage in respectful intelligent discussion that disagrees with you?
Have to agree with @Tha Kid (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2) a bit here.
Also @fordham96 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=637) you guys can agree to disagree.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
His results prove nothing. What results, he is 25-11 in a 1 bid conference? What pedigree? The one that has led Johnny Dawkins to 7 nondescript years at Stanford. How about Quinn Snyder? How about Tommy Amaker? Cut and ran from SHU and then spent what 6 years at Michigan failing to make 1 NCAA.
Please.
Comparing bobby Hurley to the other former dukies you mentioned is silly.
The other guys you mentioned were all long time assistants under coach K whose FIRST coaching gig was in a big time conference. None of them worked themselves up the ladder without the help of coach K so it is possible they got better jobs than they deserved solely because of coach Ks success.
Bobby worked under his brother at Wagner and URI and then his first head coaching job was at buffalo. He rolled up his sleeves. He's proven himself on his own.
That's the first thing that should give you more confidence that bobby will not be like them.
And for the record amaker seems like a great coach. I think if another big time job came his way that he wanted he would succeed.
First off he used the term pedigree. That means Duke and Coach K, guy.
Secondly you made my other point. The idea that 2 years at a 1 bid mid major gives you the warm and fuzzies as opposed to coaching directly at a major, congrats.
He has barely recruited his own players and has not graduated one of his own recruits.
Right he is so much more qualified because he coached 2 years at Buffalo then Dawkins is now at Stanford. Right.
By the way how do you explain Amaker at Michigan after SHU?
It boggles my mind when seemingly intelligent people who have seen the Amazing job amaker has done at Harvard somehow think Michigan proves he can't hack it.
First, amaker took over a terrible team. Second, in amakers second year there, Michigan self imposed probation and sanctions due to the Ed Martin scandal. Then the NCAA doubled those penalties so it appeared 2003-04 would be no playoffs either. It was later overturned. How easy do you think recruiting was during that time? Even the posters who were the biggest anti norm guys gave him a bit of a break his first few years. Amaker didn't know he was going to be coaching at a school w all those sanctions and probation. It happened in year 2. If anyone deserves a reprieve on their head coaching stint at a major school it's tommy amaker and Michigan. Come on, "guy".
Next, I didn't realize the term pedigree meant coach K. Wait it doesn't, and in this instance it would be referring to his father, his brother, and coach K. And whatever he meant it, Hurley was never an assistant at Duke like the guys you mentioned. You know who else wasnt an assistant at Duke before coaching? Current Duke assiatant Jeff Capel who succeeded at VCU and then has an elite 8 run at Oklahoma. Why'd you leave him out? He also has the pedigree from his own father and brother. If anyone would be a good Hurley comparison from Duke its him.
Finally I never said bobby Hurley is more qualified than Johnny Dawkins. If you are looking for a respectable mediocre coach who will get you to a sweet 16/ncaa once every five years Johnny is your guy. Not too dissimilar from coach lavin.
Bobby is all about projecting potential. Same with Danny. Guys like lavin and Dawkins have already proven their ceiling isn't annual ncaa appearances and extremely well coaches teams.
Do you really not get the difference?
Are you serious? OMG.
Amaker at Harvard where he brings in top 50-75 talent never seen before in the Ivy...
I mean seriously...guy..no I can't anymore.
you are makin my point for me rather than the other way around. Tommy amaker is recruiting top 50-75 talent to Harvard. Harvard! And he has WON 2 first round games with Harvard. Harvard! In the NCAAs!
That's one more ncaa win than St. John's has in the last 16 seasons.
But yeah tommy is a joke.
And of course you have no comment on anything else. When people disagree w you on the board and make solid points rather than concede anything or make intelligent points back, you pick whatever you think is their worst argument and harp on that and then like a teenage girl say "OMG....I can't anymore"
You seem like you know basketball. You really can't engage in respectful intelligent discussion that disagrees with you?
What. So he needs to a last second collapse to beat Yale for the IVY league title with superior talent and never could win at Michigan and left after a major disappointment at SHU and that is evidence that he is a terrific coach and is also evidence that Coach K players make good coaches.
OK.
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Back to the thread..Mike Lonergan?
Yea or nay?
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@Tha Kid (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2) I wouldn't put Bobby and Danny in the same category. Bobby still has a lot to prove.
You may be right Dave but Danny also has a lot to prove. My thing is more is Danny really going to jump to St. John's now when seton hall job is his next year likely if he wants it, which may be after an awesome year at URI which will likely increase the numbers for his contract?
I am all for bobby or Danny. But I think bobby is likely to be more attainable immediately. And I do like the coach K connection for my own personal bias which Danny doesn't have.
SJU >>>> Seton Hall. Better alumni, better pay, better facilities, better campus, better location. It's really not close.
I think its all a moot point anyways because I think Lavin is coming back.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
His results prove nothing. What results, he is 25-11 in a 1 bid conference? What pedigree? The one that has led Johnny Dawkins to 7 nondescript years at Stanford. How about Quinn Snyder? How about Tommy Amaker? Cut and ran from SHU and then spent what 6 years at Michigan failing to make 1 NCAA.
Please.
Comparing bobby Hurley to the other former dukies you mentioned is silly.
The other guys you mentioned were all long time assistants under coach K whose FIRST coaching gig was in a big time conference. None of them worked themselves up the ladder without the help of coach K so it is possible they got better jobs than they deserved solely because of coach Ks success.
Bobby worked under his brother at Wagner and URI and then his first head coaching job was at buffalo. He rolled up his sleeves. He's proven himself on his own.
That's the first thing that should give you more confidence that bobby will not be like them.
And for the record amaker seems like a great coach. I think if another big time job came his way that he wanted he would succeed.
First off he used the term pedigree. That means Duke and Coach K, guy.
Secondly you made my other point. The idea that 2 years at a 1 bid mid major gives you the warm and fuzzies as opposed to coaching directly at a major, congrats.
He has barely recruited his own players and has not graduated one of his own recruits.
Right he is so much more qualified because he coached 2 years at Buffalo then Dawkins is now at Stanford. Right.
By the way how do you explain Amaker at Michigan after SHU?
It boggles my mind when seemingly intelligent people who have seen the Amazing job amaker has done at Harvard somehow think Michigan proves he can't hack it.
First, amaker took over a terrible team. Second, in amakers second year there, Michigan self imposed probation and sanctions due to the Ed Martin scandal. Then the NCAA doubled those penalties so it appeared 2003-04 would be no playoffs either. It was later overturned. How easy do you think recruiting was during that time? Even the posters who were the biggest anti norm guys gave him a bit of a break his first few years. Amaker didn't know he was going to be coaching at a school w all those sanctions and probation. It happened in year 2. If anyone deserves a reprieve on their head coaching stint at a major school it's tommy amaker and Michigan. Come on, "guy".
Next, I didn't realize the term pedigree meant coach K. Wait it doesn't, and in this instance it would be referring to his father, his brother, and coach K. And whatever he meant it, Hurley was never an assistant at Duke like the guys you mentioned. You know who else wasnt an assistant at Duke before coaching? Current Duke assiatant Jeff Capel who succeeded at VCU and then has an elite 8 run at Oklahoma. Why'd you leave him out? He also has the pedigree from his own father and brother. If anyone would be a good Hurley comparison from Duke its him.
Finally I never said bobby Hurley is more qualified than Johnny Dawkins. If you are looking for a respectable mediocre coach who will get you to a sweet 16/ncaa once every five years Johnny is your guy. Not too dissimilar from coach lavin.
Bobby is all about projecting potential. Same with Danny. Guys like lavin and Dawkins have already proven their ceiling isn't annual ncaa appearances and extremely well coaches teams.
Do you really not get the difference?
Are you serious? OMG.
Amaker at Harvard where he brings in top 50-75 talent never seen before in the Ivy...
I mean seriously...guy..no I can't anymore.
you are makin my point for me rather than the other way around. Tommy amaker is recruiting top 50-75 talent to Harvard. Harvard! And he has WON 2 first round games with Harvard. Harvard! In the NCAAs!
That's one more ncaa win than St. John's has in the last 16 seasons.
But yeah tommy is a joke.
And of course you have no comment on anything else. When people disagree w you on the board and make solid points rather than concede anything or make intelligent points back, you pick whatever you think is their worst argument and harp on that and then like a teenage girl say "OMG....I can't anymore"
You seem like you know basketball. You really can't engage in respectful intelligent discussion that disagrees with you?
What. So he needs to a last second collapse to beat Yale for the IVY league title with superior talent and never could win at Michigan and left after a major disappointment at SHU and that is evidence that he is a terrific coach and is also evidence that Coach K players make good coaches.
OK.
Didn't I just call Dawkins mediocre and someone who could get you to an ncaa or maybe sweet 16 once every five years? When have I ever said coach K makes good coaches?
People who learn under coach K are learning from the best which potentially gives them a leg up. but it doesn't make them a good coach. Just gives them more ammo. They still need to learn how to shoot.
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BTW-I am surprised no one has brought up Mike Lonergan (if they did I missed it).
I don't love him but his turnaround at GW is at least on par with Hurley at URI. Back to back 20 win seasons and NCAA and NIT last 2 years.
The expectation will be that Hurley will recruit NY because of his family ties, and that he'll also recruit nationally because of his family ties, and because of the name he made for himself. This is a player who was very talented, but he is also a player who has spent his entire life under the wing of great coaching.
I think that is a guy you can take a chance on after two strong years at a school that's accomplished nothing before he arrived.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
But that is the pool. You are looking for a coach that has success at the mid-major level and trying to project. SJU is a good fit for either Hurley. I think Bobby has a bigger appeal to casual basketball fans. What established winning high major coach is coming here? And to be honest, I wouldn't be thrilled with a lot of the other choices like Masiello or Cluess. But either could have a chance to be successful.
But my original point is I rather trust Bobby Hurley running my team than Steve Lavin. It's really not even close.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
His results prove nothing. What results, he is 25-11 in a 1 bid conference? What pedigree? The one that has led Johnny Dawkins to 7 nondescript years at Stanford. How about Quinn Snyder? How about Tommy Amaker? Cut and ran from SHU and then spent what 6 years at Michigan failing to make 1 NCAA.
Please.
Comparing bobby Hurley to the other former dukies you mentioned is silly.
The other guys you mentioned were all long time assistants under coach K whose FIRST coaching gig was in a big time conference. None of them worked themselves up the ladder without the help of coach K so it is possible they got better jobs than they deserved solely because of coach Ks success.
Bobby worked under his brother at Wagner and URI and then his first head coaching job was at buffalo. He rolled up his sleeves. He's proven himself on his own.
That's the first thing that should give you more confidence that bobby will not be like them.
And for the record amaker seems like a great coach. I think if another big time job came his way that he wanted he would succeed.
First off he used the term pedigree. That means Duke and Coach K, guy.
Secondly you made my other point. The idea that 2 years at a 1 bid mid major gives you the warm and fuzzies as opposed to coaching directly at a major, congrats.
He has barely recruited his own players and has not graduated one of his own recruits.
Right he is so much more qualified because he coached 2 years at Buffalo then Dawkins is now at Stanford. Right.
By the way how do you explain Amaker at Michigan after SHU?
It boggles my mind when seemingly intelligent people who have seen the Amazing job amaker has done at Harvard somehow think Michigan proves he can't hack it.
First, amaker took over a terrible team. Second, in amakers second year there, Michigan self imposed probation and sanctions due to the Ed Martin scandal. Then the NCAA doubled those penalties so it appeared 2003-04 would be no playoffs either. It was later overturned. How easy do you think recruiting was during that time? Even the posters who were the biggest anti norm guys gave him a bit of a break his first few years. Amaker didn't know he was going to be coaching at a school w all those sanctions and probation. It happened in year 2. If anyone deserves a reprieve on their head coaching stint at a major school it's tommy amaker and Michigan. Come on, "guy".
Next, I didn't realize the term pedigree meant coach K. Wait it doesn't, and in this instance it would be referring to his father, his brother, and coach K. And whatever he meant it, Hurley was never an assistant at Duke like the guys you mentioned. You know who else wasnt an assistant at Duke before coaching? Current Duke assiatant Jeff Capel who succeeded at VCU and then has an elite 8 run at Oklahoma. Why'd you leave him out? He also has the pedigree from his own father and brother. If anyone would be a good Hurley comparison from Duke its him.
Finally I never said bobby Hurley is more qualified than Johnny Dawkins. If you are looking for a respectable mediocre coach who will get you to a sweet 16/ncaa once every five years Johnny is your guy. Not too dissimilar from coach lavin.
Bobby is all about projecting potential. Same with Danny. Guys like lavin and Dawkins have already proven their ceiling isn't annual ncaa appearances and extremely well coaches teams.
Do you really not get the difference?
Are you serious? OMG.
Amaker at Harvard where he brings in top 50-75 talent never seen before in the Ivy...
I mean seriously...guy..no I can't anymore.
you are makin my point for me rather than the other way around. Tommy amaker is recruiting top 50-75 talent to Harvard. Harvard! And he has WON 2 first round games with Harvard. Harvard! In the NCAAs!
That's one more ncaa win than St. John's has in the last 16 seasons.
But yeah tommy is a joke.
And of course you have no comment on anything else. When people disagree w you on the board and make solid points rather than concede anything or make intelligent points back, you pick whatever you think is their worst argument and harp on that and then like a teenage girl say "OMG....I can't anymore"
You seem like you know basketball. You really can't engage in respectful intelligent discussion that disagrees with you?
What. So he needs to a last second collapse to beat Yale for the IVY league title with superior talent and never could win at Michigan and left after a major disappointment at SHU and that is evidence that he is a terrific coach and is also evidence that Coach K players make good coaches.
OK.
Didn't I just call Dawkins mediocre and someone who could get you to an ncaa or maybe sweet 16 once every five years? When have I ever said coach K makes good coaches?
People who learn under coach K are learning from the best which potentially gives them a leg up. but it doesn't make them a good coach. Just gives them more ammo. They still need to learn how to shoot.
This my last post, anybody who thinks Amaker is a good coach is not a serious person.
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@Tha Kid (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2) I wouldn't put Bobby and Danny in the same category. Bobby still has a lot to prove.
You may be right Dave but Danny also has a lot to prove. My thing is more is Danny really going to jump to St. John's now when seton hall job is his next year likely if he wants it, which may be after an awesome year at URI which will likely increase the numbers for his contract?
I am all for bobby or Danny. But I think bobby is likely to be more attainable immediately. And I do like the coach K connection for my own personal bias which Danny doesn't have.
SJU >>>> Seton Hall. Better alumni, better pay, better facilities, better campus, better location. It's really not close.
I think its all a moot point anyways because I think Lavin is coming back.
Makes sense.
To be honest I am actually fine with Lavin coming back too. I think if nothing else this exercise will make lavin realize he can't just rest on his laurels and perhaps that lights a fire under his ass.
I just want a definitive decision made this week. This cannot drag out. That is what is worst for the program. A decision one way or the other quickly is what I'm hoping for. Would prefer bring in a Hurley but if it's lavin lets extend him low buy out and let him try to secure some recruits.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
But that is the pool. You are looking for a coach that has success at the mid-major level and trying to project. SJU is a good fit for either Hurley. I think Bobby has a bigger appeal to casual basketball fans. What established winning high major coach is coming here? And to be honest, I wouldn't be thrilled with a lot of the other choices like Masiello or Cluess. But either could have a chance to be successful.
But my original point is I rather trust Bobby Hurley running my team than Steve Lavin. It's really not even close.
What makes you trust Bobby Hurley?
How many Buffalo games you watch this year?
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
His results prove nothing. What results, he is 25-11 in a 1 bid conference? What pedigree? The one that has led Johnny Dawkins to 7 nondescript years at Stanford. How about Quinn Snyder? How about Tommy Amaker? Cut and ran from SHU and then spent what 6 years at Michigan failing to make 1 NCAA.
Please.
Comparing bobby Hurley to the other former dukies you mentioned is silly.
The other guys you mentioned were all long time assistants under coach K whose FIRST coaching gig was in a big time conference. None of them worked themselves up the ladder without the help of coach K so it is possible they got better jobs than they deserved solely because of coach Ks success.
Bobby worked under his brother at Wagner and URI and then his first head coaching job was at buffalo. He rolled up his sleeves. He's proven himself on his own.
That's the first thing that should give you more confidence that bobby will not be like them.
And for the record amaker seems like a great coach. I think if another big time job came his way that he wanted he would succeed.
First off he used the term pedigree. That means Duke and Coach K, guy.
Secondly you made my other point. The idea that 2 years at a 1 bid mid major gives you the warm and fuzzies as opposed to coaching directly at a major, congrats.
He has barely recruited his own players and has not graduated one of his own recruits.
Right he is so much more qualified because he coached 2 years at Buffalo then Dawkins is now at Stanford. Right.
By the way how do you explain Amaker at Michigan after SHU?
It boggles my mind when seemingly intelligent people who have seen the Amazing job amaker has done at Harvard somehow think Michigan proves he can't hack it.
First, amaker took over a terrible team. Second, in amakers second year there, Michigan self imposed probation and sanctions due to the Ed Martin scandal. Then the NCAA doubled those penalties so it appeared 2003-04 would be no playoffs either. It was later overturned. How easy do you think recruiting was during that time? Even the posters who were the biggest anti norm guys gave him a bit of a break his first few years. Amaker didn't know he was going to be coaching at a school w all those sanctions and probation. It happened in year 2. If anyone deserves a reprieve on their head coaching stint at a major school it's tommy amaker and Michigan. Come on, "guy".
Next, I didn't realize the term pedigree meant coach K. Wait it doesn't, and in this instance it would be referring to his father, his brother, and coach K. And whatever he meant it, Hurley was never an assistant at Duke like the guys you mentioned. You know who else wasnt an assistant at Duke before coaching? Current Duke assiatant Jeff Capel who succeeded at VCU and then has an elite 8 run at Oklahoma. Why'd you leave him out? He also has the pedigree from his own father and brother. If anyone would be a good Hurley comparison from Duke its him.
Finally I never said bobby Hurley is more qualified than Johnny Dawkins. If you are looking for a respectable mediocre coach who will get you to a sweet 16/ncaa once every five years Johnny is your guy. Not too dissimilar from coach lavin.
Bobby is all about projecting potential. Same with Danny. Guys like lavin and Dawkins have already proven their ceiling isn't annual ncaa appearances and extremely well coaches teams.
Do you really not get the difference?
Are you serious? OMG.
Amaker at Harvard where he brings in top 50-75 talent never seen before in the Ivy...
I mean seriously...guy..no I can't anymore.
you are makin my point for me rather than the other way around. Tommy amaker is recruiting top 50-75 talent to Harvard. Harvard! And he has WON 2 first round games with Harvard. Harvard! In the NCAAs!
That's one more ncaa win than St. John's has in the last 16 seasons.
But yeah tommy is a joke.
And of course you have no comment on anything else. When people disagree w you on the board and make solid points rather than concede anything or make intelligent points back, you pick whatever you think is their worst argument and harp on that and then like a teenage girl say "OMG....I can't anymore"
You seem like you know basketball. You really can't engage in respectful intelligent discussion that disagrees with you?
What. So he needs to a last second collapse to beat Yale for the IVY league title with superior talent and never could win at Michigan and left after a major disappointment at SHU and that is evidence that he is a terrific coach and is also evidence that Coach K players make good coaches.
OK.
Didn't I just call Dawkins mediocre and someone who could get you to an ncaa or maybe sweet 16 once every five years? When have I ever said coach K makes good coaches?
People who learn under coach K are learning from the best which potentially gives them a leg up. but it doesn't make them a good coach. Just gives them more ammo. They still need to learn how to shoot.
This my last post, anybody who thinks Amaker is a good coach is not a serious person.
"Tommy amaker - four ncaas in four years including two first round upsets with a school that doesn't give athletic scholarships, is not regularly or ever on TV, and was generally terrible at basketball beforehand - is not a good basketball coach" - Fordham
But steve lavin is?
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
But that is the pool. You are looking for a coach that has success at the mid-major level and trying to project. SJU is a good fit for either Hurley. I think Bobby has a bigger appeal to casual basketball fans. What established winning high major coach is coming here? And to be honest, I wouldn't be thrilled with a lot of the other choices like Masiello or Cluess. But either could have a chance to be successful.
But my original point is I rather trust Bobby Hurley running my team than Steve Lavin. It's really not even close.
My point is that is an opinion based on NOTHING but your disappointment in Lavin. Anyone can say that when there are no consequences to what you say or do as evidenced by your Mike Rice proclamation.
My opinion is that I think Mike Krzyzewski is overrated. So what.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
But that is the pool. You are looking for a coach that has success at the mid-major level and trying to project. SJU is a good fit for either Hurley. I think Bobby has a bigger appeal to casual basketball fans. What established winning high major coach is coming here? And to be honest, I wouldn't be thrilled with a lot of the other choices like Masiello or Cluess. But either could have a chance to be successful.
But my original point is I rather trust Bobby Hurley running my team than Steve Lavin. It's really not even close.
What makes you trust Bobby Hurley?
How many Buffalo games you watch this year?
Bingo, I would bet NONE. How many MAC games did you watch?
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
But that is the pool. You are looking for a coach that has success at the mid-major level and trying to project. SJU is a good fit for either Hurley. I think Bobby has a bigger appeal to casual basketball fans. What established winning high major coach is coming here? And to be honest, I wouldn't be thrilled with a lot of the other choices like Masiello or Cluess. But either could have a chance to be successful.
But my original point is I rather trust Bobby Hurley running my team than Steve Lavin. It's really not even close.
What makes you trust Bobby Hurley?
How many Buffalo games you watch this year?
Not many. Did see the KY game. They hung tough. BTW, Buffalo was picked pre-season very low in the MAC. So it wasn't like they brought back a full team. Hurley lost his best player Jevon McRae who avg. about 18 a game as a senior. So you lose your best player, and still make the NCAA picked very low pre-season in your conference. That isn't bad coaching.
Why do I trust Hurley? I think you can infer.
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Established mid major rising stars like Archie and Marshall will have their sights set higher than SJU. Danny Hurley might even be close to that point. Projecting the next Archie Miller is never a sure thing but someone like Bobby Hurley fits the profile. Perhaps the Danny Manning Tulsa/wake scenario is a good analogy.
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BTW-I am surprised no one has brought up Mike Lonergan (if they did I missed it).
I don't love him but his turnaround at GW is at least on par with Hurley at URI. Back to back 20 win seasons and NCAA and NIT last 2 years.
The expectation will be that Hurley will recruit NY because of his family ties, and that he'll also recruit nationally because of his family ties, and because of the name he made for himself. This is a player who was very talented, but he is also a player who has spent his entire life under the wing of great coaching.
I think that is a guy you can take a chance on after two strong years at a school that's accomplished nothing before he arrived.
Accomplished nothing? Jim Baron's last 5 years at URI included 4 20 win seasons and 3 NIT appearances. The last year was a 7 win year that got him fired.
And you guys all love Mike Vaccaro, Vac graduated from St. Bonaventure and knew Baron. Go read some of his articles the last 2 years of the Norm regime. Guy was promoting Baron for SJU as a New York guy.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
But that is the pool. You are looking for a coach that has success at the mid-major level and trying to project. SJU is a good fit for either Hurley. I think Bobby has a bigger appeal to casual basketball fans. What established winning high major coach is coming here? And to be honest, I wouldn't be thrilled with a lot of the other choices like Masiello or Cluess. But either could have a chance to be successful.
But my original point is I rather trust Bobby Hurley running my team than Steve Lavin. It's really not even close.
My point is that is an opinion based on NOTHING but your disappointment in Lavin. Anyone can say that when there are no consequences to what you say or do as evidenced by your Mike Rice proclamation.
My opinion is that I think Mike Krzyzewski is overrated. So what.
Did you really just say the following two things in the last five minutes;
"Anyone who thinks tommy amaker is a good basketball coach cannot be a serious person" and
"Coach K is overrated"
can you 1) tell me who are your top 5 coaches in college basketball - which of course is not going to include the only living person with 4 ncaa titles and 2) tell me what about steve lavin makes you think he is a good coach?
I am compiling the Fordham greatest hits right now and would love additional quotes while you are still on tequila and Ambien.
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BTW-I am surprised no one has brought up Mike Lonergan (if they did I missed it).
I don't love him but his turnaround at GW is at least on par with Hurley at URI. Back to back 20 win seasons and NCAA and NIT last 2 years.
The expectation will be that Hurley will recruit NY because of his family ties, and that he'll also recruit nationally because of his family ties, and because of the name he made for himself. This is a player who was very talented, but he is also a player who has spent his entire life under the wing of great coaching.
I think that is a guy you can take a chance on after two strong years at a school that's accomplished nothing before he arrived.
Accomplished nothing? Jim Baron's last 5 years at URI included 4 20 win seasons and 3 NIT appearances. The last year was a 7 win year that got him fired.
And you guys all love Mike Vaccaro, Vac graduated from St. Bonaventure and knew Baron. Go read some of his articles the last 2 years of the Norm regime. Guy was promoting Baron for SJU as a New York guy.
Bobby
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
But that is the pool. You are looking for a coach that has success at the mid-major level and trying to project. SJU is a good fit for either Hurley. I think Bobby has a bigger appeal to casual basketball fans. What established winning high major coach is coming here? And to be honest, I wouldn't be thrilled with a lot of the other choices like Masiello or Cluess. But either could have a chance to be successful.
But my original point is I rather trust Bobby Hurley running my team than Steve Lavin. It's really not even close.
What makes you trust Bobby Hurley?
How many Buffalo games you watch this year?
Not many. Did see the KY game. They hung tough. BTW, Buffalo was picked pre-season very low in the MAC. So it wasn't like they brought back a full team. Hurley lost his best player Jevon McRae who avg. about 18 a game as a senior. So you lose your best player, and still make the NCAA picked very low pre-season in your conference. That isn't bad coaching.
Why do I trust Hurley? I think you can infer.
That was in December. If they played Kentucky now they would lose by 50 and it wouldn't prove anything more than the close game back in December. By the way Kentucky trailed for most of the game in December against Yale, you want Yale's HC at SJU? Yes or no?
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Steve M nor Bobby Hurley will be not be the next coach nor will Amaker(if for no other reason than his wife)
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
But that is the pool. You are looking for a coach that has success at the mid-major level and trying to project. SJU is a good fit for either Hurley. I think Bobby has a bigger appeal to casual basketball fans. What established winning high major coach is coming here? And to be honest, I wouldn't be thrilled with a lot of the other choices like Masiello or Cluess. But either could have a chance to be successful.
But my original point is I rather trust Bobby Hurley running my team than Steve Lavin. It's really not even close.
My point is that is an opinion based on NOTHING but your disappointment in Lavin. Anyone can say that when there are no consequences to what you say or do as evidenced by your Mike Rice proclamation.
My opinion is that I think Mike Krzyzewski is overrated. So what.
Did you really just say the following two things in the last five minutes;
"Anyone who thinks tommy amaker is a good basketball coach cannot be a serious person" and
"Coach K is overrated"
can you 1) tell me who are your top 5 coaches in college basketball - which of course is not going to include the only living person with 4 ncaa titles and 2) tell me what about steve lavin makes you think he is a good coach?
I am compiling the Fordham greatest hits right now and would love additional quotes while you are still on tequila and Ambien.
You don't get sarcasm do you? That was sarcasm. My point is meaningless assertions with no evidence mean nothing.
And yes I believe Lavin is a better coach than Amaker. Put it to you another way, give Lavin 6 years at Michigan and he would squeeze out a few NCAA bids. Take that to the bank.
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Decision needs to made now. Like it or not the rumors of the leadership meeting have gotten out and these rumors are not good for anyone. If they want to bring Lavin back or not they need to make the decision. I appreciate the fact finding and not rushing but the time has come for a decision.
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BTW-I am surprised no one has brought up Mike Lonergan (if they did I missed it).
I don't love him but his turnaround at GW is at least on par with Hurley at URI. Back to back 20 win seasons and NCAA and NIT last 2 years.
The expectation will be that Hurley will recruit NY because of his family ties, and that he'll also recruit nationally because of his family ties, and because of the name he made for himself. This is a player who was very talented, but he is also a player who has spent his entire life under the wing of great coaching.
I think that is a guy you can take a chance on after two strong years at a school that's accomplished nothing before he arrived.
Accomplished nothing? Jim Baron's last 5 years at URI included 4 20 win seasons and 3 NIT appearances. The last year was a 7 win year that got him fired.
And you guys all love Mike Vaccaro, Vac graduated from St. Bonaventure and knew Baron. Go read some of his articles the last 2 years of the Norm regime. Guy was promoting Baron for SJU as a New York guy.
Bobby
What?
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Steve M nor Bobby Hurley will be not be the next coach nor will Amaker(if for no other reason than his wife)
Interesting why not Bobby?
The amaker stuff was all tangential and relating to evaluating Bobby as a potential head coach. Don't think any of us assumes tommy would leave Harvard for here (or really anywhere except maybe Duke).
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
But that is the pool. You are looking for a coach that has success at the mid-major level and trying to project. SJU is a good fit for either Hurley. I think Bobby has a bigger appeal to casual basketball fans. What established winning high major coach is coming here? And to be honest, I wouldn't be thrilled with a lot of the other choices like Masiello or Cluess. But either could have a chance to be successful.
But my original point is I rather trust Bobby Hurley running my team than Steve Lavin. It's really not even close.
What makes you trust Bobby Hurley?
How many Buffalo games you watch this year?
Not many. Did see the KY game. They hung tough. BTW, Buffalo was picked pre-season very low in the MAC. So it wasn't like they brought back a full team. Hurley lost his best player Jevon McRae who avg. about 18 a game as a senior. So you lose your best player, and still make the NCAA picked very low pre-season in your conference. That isn't bad coaching.
Why do I trust Hurley? I think you can infer.
That was in December. If they played Kentucky now they would lose by 50 and it wouldn't prove anything more than the close game back in December. By the way Kentucky trailed for most of the game in December against Yale, you want Yale's HC at SJU? Yes or no?
So KY would beat them by 50. So who cares? They would beat a lot of teams by 50. Hurley would probably watch tape and get to work coaching his players. Lavin would lose by 30 and then say well if we had Moe Harkless and Amir Garrett we would have a close game. Or blame it on an injury.
C'mon really?
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Decision needs to made now. Like it or not the rumors of the leadership meeting have gotten out and these rumors are not good for anyone. If they want to bring Lavin back or not they need to make the decision. I appreciate the fact finding and not rushing but the time has come for a decision.
We can all agree on that. Need to make a decision NOW one way or the other.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
But that is the pool. You are looking for a coach that has success at the mid-major level and trying to project. SJU is a good fit for either Hurley. I think Bobby has a bigger appeal to casual basketball fans. What established winning high major coach is coming here? And to be honest, I wouldn't be thrilled with a lot of the other choices like Masiello or Cluess. But either could have a chance to be successful.
But my original point is I rather trust Bobby Hurley running my team than Steve Lavin. It's really not even close.
My point is that is an opinion based on NOTHING but your disappointment in Lavin. Anyone can say that when there are no consequences to what you say or do as evidenced by your Mike Rice proclamation.
My opinion is that I think Mike Krzyzewski is overrated. So what.
Did you really just say the following two things in the last five minutes;
"Anyone who thinks tommy amaker is a good basketball coach cannot be a serious person" and
"Coach K is overrated"
can you 1) tell me who are your top 5 coaches in college basketball - which of course is not going to include the only living person with 4 ncaa titles and 2) tell me what about steve lavin makes you think he is a good coach?
I am compiling the Fordham greatest hits right now and would love additional quotes while you are still on tequila and Ambien.
You don't get sarcasm do you? That was sarcasm. My point is meaningless assertions with no evidence mean nothing.
And yes I believe Lavin is a better coach than Amaker. Put it to you another way, give Lavin 6 years at Michigan and he would squeeze out a few NCAA bids. Take that to the bank.
You sticking him with a major scandal and sanctions in the middle of it too?
Amaker made the dance at seton hall. It's not like amaker never did anything anywhere except Harvard.
You really can't see how Michigan could have been very difficult at that time? I am sure some of it is tommys fault. But some guys learn from their mistakes and some guys never learn. I'd wager tommy has learned from the Michigan experience.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
But that is the pool. You are looking for a coach that has success at the mid-major level and trying to project. SJU is a good fit for either Hurley. I think Bobby has a bigger appeal to casual basketball fans. What established winning high major coach is coming here? And to be honest, I wouldn't be thrilled with a lot of the other choices like Masiello or Cluess. But either could have a chance to be successful.
But my original point is I rather trust Bobby Hurley running my team than Steve Lavin. It's really not even close.
What makes you trust Bobby Hurley?
How many Buffalo games you watch this year?
Not many. Did see the KY game. They hung tough. BTW, Buffalo was picked pre-season very low in the MAC. So it wasn't like they brought back a full team. Hurley lost his best player Jevon McRae who avg. about 18 a game as a senior. So you lose your best player, and still make the NCAA picked very low pre-season in your conference. That isn't bad coaching.
Why do I trust Hurley? I think you can infer.
That was in December. If they played Kentucky now they would lose by 50 and it wouldn't prove anything more than the close game back in December. By the way Kentucky trailed for most of the game in December against Yale, you want Yale's HC at SJU? Yes or no?
So KY would beat them by 50. So who cares? They would beat a lot of teams by 50. Hurley would probably watch tape and get to work coaching his players. Lavin would lose by 30 and then say well if we had Moe Harkless and Amir Garrett we would have a close game. Or blame it on an injury.
C'mon really?
What? OMG. So as long as a team early in the year in a meaningless game can come within a few points of UK that means something yet when later in the year when they are established they lose by 50 the earlier game means more. Whatever.
Did you watch the Yale/UK game or not? Do you want Coach Jones at SJU or not? If you don't your point is meaningless again.
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Bobby Hurley is a 1000% better basketball mind than Steve Lavin. That cannot be argued. His pedigree is outstanding. Is he experienced? No. Have his results so far been impressive? Yes. Would I trust him running my team? Absolutely.
BTW-I have the post saved where after Robert Morris nearly beat Villanova (remember Nova got a questionable call) in a 2/15 game in 2010 you and others were high on him. SJU job was open during the 2010 Tourney. You and others were certainly enamored with Rice and how good he had done at RMU.
Tell me what was his record after 3 years at RU? Tell me again how did his time at RU end? What were the circumstances?
But he did take RMU to the brink of a 1st round upset over Jay Wright.
And at the time I thought that was a great hire for Rutgers. To say it wasn't is crazy. Obviously it doesn't always work. There is always risk involved. Unless you are hiring a handful of coaches (Izzo, Billy D, Pitino etc.)
No crazy is what he is and was. And you made my point. You think anyone with a decent low-mid major record is worthwhile.
The point is you have not learned your lesson. He was replacing a joke of a coach, Fred Hill. Whose record was worse than Norm's and Norm took over a disaster. And now you prescribe these coaches for someone who actually has done something at SJU.
That is my point.
But that is the pool. You are looking for a coach that has success at the mid-major level and trying to project. SJU is a good fit for either Hurley. I think Bobby has a bigger appeal to casual basketball fans. What established winning high major coach is coming here? And to be honest, I wouldn't be thrilled with a lot of the other choices like Masiello or Cluess. But either could have a chance to be successful.
But my original point is I rather trust Bobby Hurley running my team than Steve Lavin. It's really not even close.
My point is that is an opinion based on NOTHING but your disappointment in Lavin. Anyone can say that when there are no consequences to what you say or do as evidenced by your Mike Rice proclamation.
My opinion is that I think Mike Krzyzewski is overrated. So what.
Did you really just say the following two things in the last five minutes;
"Anyone who thinks tommy amaker is a good basketball coach cannot be a serious person" and
"Coach K is overrated"
can you 1) tell me who are your top 5 coaches in college basketball - which of course is not going to include the only living person with 4 ncaa titles and 2) tell me what about steve lavin makes you think he is a good coach?
I am compiling the Fordham greatest hits right now and would love additional quotes while you are still on tequila and Ambien.
You don't get sarcasm do you? That was sarcasm. My point is meaningless assertions with no evidence mean nothing.
And yes I believe Lavin is a better coach than Amaker. Put it to you another way, give Lavin 6 years at Michigan and he would squeeze out a few NCAA bids. Take that to the bank.
You sticking him with a major scandal and sanctions in the middle of it too?
Amaker made the dance at seton hall. It's not like amaker never did anything anywhere except Harvard.
You really can't see how Michigan could have been very difficult at that time? I am sure some of it is tommys fault. But some guys learn from their mistakes and some guys never learn. I'd wager tommy has learned from the Michigan experience.
100% he would in year 3, 4 would have had them in the NCAA's. Not hard and it would not prove he is a great coach.
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BTW-I am surprised no one has brought up Mike Lonergan (if they did I missed it).
I don't love him but his turnaround at GW is at least on par with Hurley at URI. Back to back 20 win seasons and NCAA and NIT last 2 years.
The expectation will be that Hurley will recruit NY because of his family ties, and that he'll also recruit nationally because of his family ties, and because of the name he made for himself. This is a player who was very talented, but he is also a player who has spent his entire life under the wing of great coaching.
I think that is a guy you can take a chance on after two strong years at a school that's accomplished nothing before he arrived.
Accomplished nothing? Jim Baron's last 5 years at URI included 4 20 win seasons and 3 NIT appearances. The last year was a 7 win year that got him fired.
And you guys all love Mike Vaccaro, Vac graduated from St. Bonaventure and knew Baron. Go read some of his articles the last 2 years of the Norm regime. Guy was promoting Baron for SJU as a New York guy.
I don't even know what you're talking about. I'm talking about Bobby Hurley. Mike Vaccaro? He doesn't need to tell that Lavin sucks. I can see for myself that he sucks. He's been here's for 5 March post seasons. He's blown them all-big time. Time to change the record.
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Decision needs to made now. Like it or not the rumors of the leadership meeting have gotten out and these rumors are not good for anyone. If they want to bring Lavin back or not they need to make the decision. I appreciate the fact finding and not rushing but the time has come for a decision.
Why is the meetings taking place this weekend or on Monday. It should have started yesterday, and go through the week if must.
It's typical sju to take their sweet time.
If they know that they want to go in a new direction, then why not do it asap?
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Not fxcking with anyone. What is the next level? Xavier is in the sweet 16 . Are they in the next level? We beat them twice.
I would definitely consider Xavier next level. 13 NCAA tournament appearances since 2001, and 5 sweet 16s since 2008. I would kill for that type of success here. I don't care who beats me in the regular season, 5 sweet 16s in 7 years is great success
The three teams the 7 team BE used to expand all have better programs then SJU. In past BE expansions most of the team's added were better then SJU. Are we on the way to becoming a bottom tier regular? Just asking, and I sure hope not. Can anyone say why Steve let this team run down and is still waiting for late possible recruits to break his way?
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The school needs to hire the candidate with the right skills and attributes, not the one with the right pedigree. And I can be guilty of making that same mistake, but they need to hire the smartest most articulate coach they interview. To some degree it shouldn't matter if he is coaching stony brook or the Chicago bulls.
Coach k didn't have an overwhelming resume when Duke hired him from Army.
We shouldn't make the mistake of hiring someone just because they come from a good coaching tree at Kansas or have experience at UCLA.
look at the actual coach himself, and his qualities, not just his resume on paper
is he smart?
can he recruit?
is he honest?
Can he communicate well with recruits and the media?
I don't want hurley or Mullin just because they were great players, or Mas just because he's a Pitino disciple or because his team made 2 ncaas.
who is the best coach? Not who checks off the most boxes on some checklist.
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So again with this 1 time game where they ALMOST win is now definitive of a can't miss.
Well what about a coach who actually won as a 12 seed (Bobby Gonzalez)? What about a coach who took a MAAC team to the Tourney as a 9 seed (McCaffrey)?
Are you lining up Hall of Fame votes for those guys?
Give me a break with this 1 game nonsense. Remember last year Masiello nearly beat the defending NC #4 seed Louisville and then he got hired by USF before that fell thru. USF is arguably the WORST high major job in America, if you consider them high major. And this year he came within 10 points of beating Hampton in a play in game which proves exactly what? ???
What if under a 1 game scenario Buffalo hired Mike Krzyzewski. And that one game was the NCAA Tourney game against WVU. And he almost beat them.
Does that mean Bobby Hurley is as a good a coach as Mike Krzyzewski and if given the opportunity with 30+ years at Duke he would win 1000 games?
No it doesn't meant that at all. It is pure nonsense.
Straight up...
You're in the office with the AD and Prez...
They tell you "we will pick whoever you want among Lavin, Hurley 1 & 2, and Masiello. Years 1-2 do not matter, but at the end of year 10 in 2025, we want to exceed where we've been the past 35 years for any given 10 year period."
Who do you choose, taking into account Lavin is young enough to go another 10 years?
Honestly I would take Lavin.
I would.
BTW-Here is some experience. If you came to me 11 years ago or 9 years ago and said in 10 years who would you rather have, Norm Roberts or Bobby Gonzalez?
I would have said Bobby in a heartbeat. No questions asked. Now, no way. Not to suggest Norm was Bobby Knight but...
Here's the thing fordham, I think Lavin is clearly most proven of them. If you want 2-3 NCAA tourney bids every 5-6 years, occasional stud recruits and don't mind a horribly coached team in the process, lavin is your guy.
However, he has proven, I believe, that he is never going to be any better than that. And that is not good enough. And whether its true or not, he's given an appearance that he has taken recruiting season's off before. That just doesn't cut it as coach of st. john's unless you are bringing in hoards of MCDAAs. How many of those has he brought in again? Same amount as Norm and less than every other coach in history here? Yeah that's right.
I was thinking about the Peter principle. In looking at the Harrick tree, it seems obvious that Gottfried and Lavin were intended to be top assistant, killer recruiters. Romar a little bit less so, but man, Harrick had dudes that could recruit their As off as assistants.
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@Tha Kid (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2) I wouldn't put Bobby and Danny in the same category. Bobby still has a lot to prove.
What would you think about a 3 year extension (making sure there's the chance to coach any new recruits this year for all 4 years), but only has a one year buyout the entire contract life? He would have to have the guts to have confidence in his ability to get it done. Essentially, ST. John's would then only risk what they risk now. Each side gives a little - we give time, Lavin gives up financial leverage. ;D
In that scenario, we give the Hurleys another year to see how it goes. If they do great, or some other candidate pops up, we could cut bait without more financial harm if Lavin recruiting doesn't pan out and we tank, and not feel like we lost out on a candidate because we're tied into an extension with high buyout.
If it's me, that's how I'm negotiating for St. John's.
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This thread has the potential to surpass the Kyle Anderson thread before an annnouncement is actually made.
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This thread has the potential to surpass the Kyle Anderson thread before an annnouncement is actually made.
I was thinking about the thread blowing up too. I got something to eat, came back and boom.
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Serious question. If some people here don't want to fire Lavin for Hurley, Masiello etc. that essentially means Lavin is going to be the coach for life if it was up to them, right? I mean we are never going to get the sure thing like Shaka or Marshall or whoever at SJU. The next coaching hire, regardless of when it is made, will be a coach that will at least be somewhat of a question mark. If we don't fire Lavin now for one of these guys, when do we fire him for an unknown commodity?
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Serious question. If some people here don't want to fire Lavin for Hurley, Masiello etc. that essentially means Lavin is going to be the coach for life if it was up to them, right? I mean we are never going to get the sure thing like Shaka or Marshall or whoever at SJU. The next coaching hire, regardless of when it is made, will be a coach that will at least be somewhat of a question mark. If we don't fire Lavin now for one of these guys, when do we fire him for an unknown commodity?
Next year if he only gets one year guarantee or less on a buyout - I wouldn't care if it's a 3-5 extension at that point - he shouldn't have more security than looking for a new job for a year if he screws this all up.
Crucial to an extension if it occurs imho
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Serious question. If some people here don't want to fire Lavin for Hurley, Masiello etc. that essentially means Lavin is going to be the coach for life if it was up to them, right? I mean we are never going to get the sure thing like Shaka or Marshall or whoever at SJU. The next coaching hire, regardless of when it is made, will be a coach that will at least be somewhat of a question mark. If we don't fire Lavin now for one of these guys, when do we fire him for an unknown commodity?
Next year if he only gets one year guarantee or less on a buyout - I wouldn't care if it's a 3-5 extension at that point - he shouldn't have more security than looking for a new job for a year if he screws this all up.
Crucial to an extension if it occurs imho
I feel like we are going to know how good the team is going to be next year just before the season starts. If he strikes out on all the recruits/transfers/Jucos then we are gonna be pretty bad. But if he pulls another rabbit out of the hat we might have a chance to be decent. Unfortunately that probably wouldn't play out for a few more months but a decision needs to be made now
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How about Mark Price?
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25121264/report-mark-price-mulling-offer-to-coach-charlotte
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Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
Head coaching record
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
UCLA Bruins (Pacific-10 Conference) (1996–2003)
1996–97 UCLA 24–8 15–3 1st NCAA Elite Eight
1997–98 UCLA 24–9 12–6 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1998–99 UCLA 22–9 12–6 3rd NCAA First Round
1999–00 UCLA 21–12 10–8 T–4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2000–01 UCLA 23–9 14–4 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2001–02 UCLA 21–12 11–7 6th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
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Serious question. If some people here don't want to fire Lavin for Hurley, Masiello etc. that essentially means Lavin is going to be the coach for life if it was up to them, right? I mean we are never going to get the sure thing like Shaka or Marshall or whoever at SJU. The next coaching hire, regardless of when it is made, will be a coach that will at least be somewhat of a question mark. If we don't fire Lavin now for one of these guys, when do we fire him for an unknown commodity?
An unknown commodity is Norm Roberts. Bobby Hurley is a head coach coming off a better season than Lavin. At f'n Buffalo. He is not an unproven commodity. He's a legend in his own time.
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In my opinion, Without that shot and Laetner being perfect beating UNLV Duke isn't Duke. Coach K doesn't coach the USA team and Hurley is remembered as the little white PG who got abused by Anderson Hunt. I am not against Bobby Hurley but 2 years in the MAC. Not a great resume. Would rather hire him next year, so he can come in a more stable environment. Bobby Hurley may be a great coach paying him plus Lavin next year and losing 20 games doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.
You do realize the "shot" was against Kentucky in year two of dukes repeat national title seasons. In the elite 8.
Duke beat undefeated UNLV in 1991 in the final four.
Also hurleys 3 pointer while Duke was down 5 w 2 mins left against UNLV is what coach k refers to as the biggest shot he's witnessed in his career. Sure there is some hyperbole there but to act like Hurley was made by laettner is completely ignorant.
Without B Hurley, Duke does not win back to back National Championships. Kid was smooth and the one of the best point guards I witnessed in the early 90s. Looks like Depaul has made the first move.
http://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/bobby-hurley-depaul-job/258207
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Serious question. If some people here don't want to fire Lavin for Hurley, Masiello etc. that essentially means Lavin is going to be the coach for life if it was up to them, right? I mean we are never going to get the sure thing like Shaka or Marshall or whoever at SJU. The next coaching hire, regardless of when it is made, will be a coach that will at least be somewhat of a question mark. If we don't fire Lavin now for one of these guys, when do we fire him for an unknown commodity?
An unknown commodity is Norm Roberts. Bobby Hurley is a head coach coming off a better season than Lavin. At f'n Buffalo. He is not an unproven commodity. He's a legend in his own time.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 25m25 minutes ago
Taking off for LA. I expect St John's to have made a decision on coaching situation by the time I land. #sjubb
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Serious question. If some people here don't want to fire Lavin for Hurley, Masiello etc. that essentially means Lavin is going to be the coach for life if it was up to them, right? I mean we are never going to get the sure thing like Shaka or Marshall or whoever at SJU. The next coaching hire, regardless of when it is made, will be a coach that will at least be somewhat of a question mark. If we don't fire Lavin now for one of these guys, when do we fire him for an unknown commodity?
An unknown commodity is Norm Roberts. Bobby Hurley is a head coach coming off a better season than Lavin. At f'n Buffalo. He is not an unproven commodity. He's a legend in his own time.
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Damn right. Ask a city that hasn't won shit in my lifetime, except for this.
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Andy Katz @ESPNAndyKatz 5m5 minutes ago
UB reaches agreement in principle on new contract with Bobby Hurley - Campus Watch http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2015/03/25/ub-reaches-agreement-in-principle-on-new-contract-with-bobby-hurley/ …
There goes that idea
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He still could more than double his salary
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Andy Katz @ESPNAndyKatz 5m5 minutes ago
UB reaches agreement in principle on new contract with Bobby Hurley - Campus Watch http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2015/03/25/ub-reaches-agreement-in-principle-on-new-contract-with-bobby-hurley/ …
There goes that idea
Eh ya never know. Stranger things have happened (Billy Donovan accepted the Magic job, and never coached there, right?). It may be a sign that DePaul definitely is not where Bobby wants to be - and who can blame him.
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Andy Katz @ESPNAndyKatz 5m5 minutes ago
UB reaches agreement in principle on new contract with Bobby Hurley - Campus Watch http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2015/03/25/ub-reaches-agreement-in-principle-on-new-contract-with-bobby-hurley/ (http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2015/03/25/ub-reaches-agreement-in-principle-on-new-contract-with-bobby-hurley/) …
There goes that idea
That plays into our hands if we do only a 1 year buyout with Lavin if we really wanted Hurley. This way, we get to see more of what Hurley can do, and what Lavin does this next year. Really doesn't bother the Bobby evaluation except for maybe taking our medicine two-three years instead of one-two years. Yes, I don't see how in the heck we're going to win more than 14-15 games next season regardless of who is the coach.
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Andy Katz @ESPNAndyKatz 5m5 minutes ago
UB reaches agreement in principle on new contract with Bobby Hurley - Campus Watch http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2015/03/25/ub-reaches-agreement-in-principle-on-new-contract-with-bobby-hurley/ …
There goes that idea
doesn't " in principle" means its not signed, ect?
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Andy Katz @ESPNAndyKatz 5m5 minutes ago
UB reaches agreement in principle on new contract with Bobby Hurley - Campus Watch http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2015/03/25/ub-reaches-agreement-in-principle-on-new-contract-with-bobby-hurley/ (http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2015/03/25/ub-reaches-agreement-in-principle-on-new-contract-with-bobby-hurley/) …
There goes that idea
doesn't " in principle" means its not signed, ect?
Yep. He could back out instantly. His dad may have told him to stay another year and get a better Beast gig than DePaul.
Is Hurley going to say "no, I might get a better gig, and it's wrong to consider this bump up?"
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Andy Katz @ESPNAndyKatz 5m5 minutes ago
UB reaches agreement in principle on new contract with Bobby Hurley - Campus Watch http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2015/03/25/ub-reaches-agreement-in-principle-on-new-contract-with-bobby-hurley/ …
There goes that idea
doesn't " in principle" means its not signed, ect?
Yes
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 15s15 seconds ago
Bobby Hurley has not signed deal to stay at Buffalo, sources told ESPN. As of this moment, source said he intends to interview with DePaul.
I guess he's still available after all
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN 15s15 seconds ago
Bobby Hurley has not signed deal to stay at Buffalo, sources told ESPN. As of this moment, source said he intends to interview with DePaul.
I guess he's still available after all
Basically, DePaul better not show up with an offer that marginally increases his salary. $1M+ minimum. I think that's what that Buffalo info does.
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if lavin is let go and Hurley is top choice, they're willing to get into a bidding war? don't see that happening.
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if lavin is let go and Hurley is top choice, they're willing to get into a bidding war? don't see that happening.
His family is in Staten Island. Not Chicago.
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Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
Head coaching record
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
UCLA Bruins (Pacific-10 Conference) (1996–2003)
1996–97 UCLA 24–8 15–3 1st NCAA Elite Eight
1997–98 UCLA 24–9 12–6 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1998–99 UCLA 22–9 12–6 3rd NCAA First Round
1999–00 UCLA 21–12 10–8 T–4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2000–01 UCLA 23–9 14–4 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2001–02 UCLA 21–12 11–7 6th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
Lavin's success at UCLA is about as exciting as Randy Johnson's was in Arizona.
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Lavin would save his job every tournament at UCLA
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Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
Head coaching record
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
UCLA Bruins (Pacific-10 Conference) (1996–2003)
1996–97 UCLA 24–8 15–3 1st NCAA Elite Eight
1997–98 UCLA 24–9 12–6 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1998–99 UCLA 22–9 12–6 3rd NCAA First Round
1999–00 UCLA 21–12 10–8 T–4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2000–01 UCLA 23–9 14–4 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2001–02 UCLA 21–12 11–7 6th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
Lavin's success at UCLA is about as exciting as Randy Johnson's was in Arizona.
Portugal was 4-2 in wars in the 16th century.
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How many top 100 players?
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Yeah. Randy Johnson wasn't exciting in Arizona as he won a WS MVP beating the Yankees.
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How many top 100 players?
Vasco da Gama was a big-time recruit I'm told.
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USF stole him.
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Andy Katz @ESPNAndyKatz 5m5 minutes ago
UB reaches agreement in principle on new contract with Bobby Hurley - Campus Watch http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2015/03/25/ub-reaches-agreement-in-principle-on-new-contract-with-bobby-hurley/ …
There goes that idea
I guess maybe not: http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12555232/bobby-hurley-agreed-new-deal-buffalo-bulls-source
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Andy Katz's 3 point shot today included something about Lavin. It appears that he only talked to Lavin though.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12555140
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What did Katz say?
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What did Katz say?
all it said is Lavin is confident he will be back.
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I don't care if we end up sucking for 20 years; I want to hire Ron Hunter (Georgia St. hc). After seeing/hearing a few of his interviews he instantly became one of my favorite people in the world. He at least has good basketball genes since his son is a potential lottery pick if he opts to forego his senior season.
Obviously i'm mostly joking with this (other than Ron Hunter being one of my new favorite people in the world) as I have no idea if he can coach or recruit, but if we're gonna continue to be mediocre one way or another, I wouldn't mind if it happened with him in charge.
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Any news yet?
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What did Katz say?
all it said is Lavin is confident he will be back.
Wouldn't be the first time Lavin was confident in the face of all evidence pointing to the contrary.
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What did Katz say?
all it said is Lavin is confident he will be back.
Wouldn't be the first time Lavin was confident in the face of all evidence pointing to the contrary.
True
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Now according to DeCourcy Lavin is about to sign an extension....
http://mobile.sportingnews.com/article/4639710-steve-lavin-fired-coaching-st-johns-contract-red-storm-ncaa-tournament?modid=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FKgrCb27yE7
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Get it done and lets move on.. Quickly.
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He is going to Diallo...I think tomorrow...good timing!!!!!!!!
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Tell me this, what exactly has Lavin accomplished here?
The exact same thing as Bobby Hurley. Both went to the Ncaa tournament and lost in the first round.
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Anyone else bothered by the fact Bobby Hurley is a whiny little bitch from Duke?
Just throwing that out there..
Tell it like it is Boo!
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and 5 sweet 16s since 2008. I would kill for that type of success here. I don't care who beats me in the regular season, 5 sweet 16s in 7 years is great success
Is 4 sweet sixteens and 1 elite 8 in 6 years also great success?
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and 5 sweet 16s since 2008. I would kill for that type of success here. I don't care who beats me in the regular season, 5 sweet 16s in 7 years is great success
Is 4 sweet sixteens and 1 elite 8 in 6 years also great success?
depends on the fan base.
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Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
Head coaching record
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
UCLA Bruins (Pacific-10 Conference) (1996–2003)
1996–97 UCLA 24–8 15–3 1st NCAA Elite Eight
1997–98 UCLA 24–9 12–6 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1998–99 UCLA 22–9 12–6 3rd NCAA First Round
1999–00 UCLA 21–12 10–8 T–4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2000–01 UCLA 23–9 14–4 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2001–02 UCLA 21–12 11–7 6th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
Lavin's success at UCLA is about as exciting as Randy Johnson's was in Arizona.
I wasn't trying to excite you. If I was I would have posted this:
(http://healthbreaksloose.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/richard_simmons1.jpg)
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Hurley might not be great, but he certainly can be, where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great
Head coaching record
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
UCLA Bruins (Pacific-10 Conference) (1996–2003)
1996–97 UCLA 24–8 15–3 1st NCAA Elite Eight
1997–98 UCLA 24–9 12–6 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1998–99 UCLA 22–9 12–6 3rd NCAA First Round
1999–00 UCLA 21–12 10–8 T–4th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2000–01 UCLA 23–9 14–4 3rd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2001–02 UCLA 21–12 11–7 6th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
Lavin's success at UCLA is about as exciting as Randy Johnson's was in Arizona.
Portugal was 4-2 in wars in the 16th century.
The guy wrote "where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great". So, I merely pointed out that in his first head coaching gig Lavin was in fact great. In his second coaching gig, he has not yet been great but has brought the Johnnies to 2 Ncaa tournaments in 5 years following a 7 year tournament drought for the program.
Same difference as when a guy implies that Phil Greene was only good this season for 3 minutes in December and I point out that he led the conference in 3 point shooting in league games that all took place after December.
If people didn't type out their a$$es so much, I wouldn't have to disprove the excrement with fact.
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The guy wrote "where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great". So, I merely pointed out that in his first head coaching gig Lavin was in fact great. In his second coaching gig, he has not yet been great but has brought the Johnnies to 2 Ncaa tournaments in 5 years following a 7 year tournament drought for the program.
Same difference as when a guy implies that Phil Greene was only good this season for 3 minutes in December and I point out that he led the conference in 3 point shooting in league games that all took place after December.
If people didn't type out their a$$es so much, I wouldn't have to disprove the excrement with fact.
I think that one could easily argue against your point, based on the fact that Lavin, during his tenure with UCLA had two #1 recruiting classes, and perpetually had a top 5 or top 10 class. If you have the best college kids in the country at your disposal, and you can't get past a top 16 ranking, then you are not "great". Now would most schools like to get to the sweet sixteen every year, of course, but great coaches don't fail to meet expectations for 6 years, and get to be considered great. College's don't dismiss their HC when he is great, unless he continues to embarrass the university. Lavin, "great recruiter", probably when motivated. Great coach ... not so much.
I'm sure your opinion will vary.
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and 5 sweet 16s since 2008. I would kill for that type of success here. I don't care who beats me in the regular season, 5 sweet 16s in 7 years is great success
Is 4 sweet sixteens and 1 elite 8 in 6 years also great success?
Not at UCLA
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Now it would be.
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The guy wrote "where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great". So, I merely pointed out that in his first head coaching gig Lavin was in fact great. In his second coaching gig, he has not yet been great but has brought the Johnnies to 2 Ncaa tournaments in 5 years following a 7 year tournament drought for the program.
Same difference as when a guy implies that Phil Greene was only good this season for 3 minutes in December and I point out that he led the conference in 3 point shooting in league games that all took place after December.
If people didn't type out their a$$es so much, I wouldn't have to disprove the excrement with fact.
I think that one could easily argue against your point, based on the fact that Lavin, during his tenure with UCLA had two #1 recruiting classes, and perpetually had a top 5 or top 10 class. If you have the best college kids in the country at your disposal, and you can't get past a top 16 ranking, then you are not "great". Now would most schools like to get to the sweet sixteen every year, of course, but great coaches don't fail to meet expectations for 6 years, and get to be considered great. College's don't dismiss their HC when he is great, unless he continues to embarrass the university. Lavin, "great recruiter", probably when motivated. Great coach ... not so much.
I'm sure your opinion will vary.
I'm certainly no Crgreen so bear with me. I don't recall Hollywood's Bruin teams ever being Georgetown, Unlv or this years Kentucky team. And to me Trevor Ariza, Jason Kapona and Baron Davis were never Bill Walton, Bill Bradley and Bill Cunningham. Who are the sure fire can't lose studs he had that I don't remember?
Recruiting strength is subjectively judge. The incredible post-season success he had in his first gig can not be denied no matter how much he's hated.
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The guy wrote "where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great". So, I merely pointed out that in his first head coaching gig Lavin was in fact great. In his second coaching gig, he has not yet been great but has brought the Johnnies to 2 Ncaa tournaments in 5 years following a 7 year tournament drought for the program.
Same difference as when a guy implies that Phil Greene was only good this season for 3 minutes in December and I point out that he led the conference in 3 point shooting in league games that all took place after December.
If people didn't type out their a$$es so much, I wouldn't have to disprove the excrement with fact.
I think that one could easily argue against your point, based on the fact that Lavin, during his tenure with UCLA had two #1 recruiting classes, and perpetually had a top 5 or top 10 class. If you have the best college kids in the country at your disposal, and you can't get past a top 16 ranking, then you are not "great". Now would most schools like to get to the sweet sixteen every year, of course, but great coaches don't fail to meet expectations for 6 years, and get to be considered great. College's don't dismiss their HC when he is great, unless he continues to embarrass the university. Lavin, "great recruiter", probably when motivated. Great coach ... not so much.
I'm sure your opinion will vary.
I'm certainly no Crgreen so bear with me. I don't recall Hollywood's Bruin teams ever being Georgetown, Unlv or this years Kentucky team. And to me Trevor Ariza, Jason Kapona and Baron Davis were never Bill Walton, Bill Bradley and Bill Cunningham. Who are the sure fire can't lose studs he had that I don't remember?
Recruiting strength is subjectively judge. The incredible post-season success he had in his first gig can not be denied no matter how much he's hated.
With those stacked line ups, the least amount of games ever lost was 8. That puts the tourney showings into fair balance for me. You'd think one of those squads over 6 years would have gone 28-4, 29-3, instead of losing 8, 9, 10, 11... But I know cr would rightfully defend Lavs by stating something along the lines of "Lavs teams were notoriously slow starters due to his constant tinkering with the lineup over the first 5-10 games. That accounted for some of those weird upsets early in the season" (Bless cr's basketball soul - I cannot explain it nearly as good, but I recall a discussion like that a few times.)
and another of my thoughts - there had to be 50 head coaches across the US who must have said at least once, "Man, I wish I could have gotten my hands on his team. I could have run the table." Had to be.
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The guy wrote "where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great". So, I merely pointed out that in his first head coaching gig Lavin was in fact great. In his second coaching gig, he has not yet been great but has brought the Johnnies to 2 Ncaa tournaments in 5 years following a 7 year tournament drought for the program.
Same difference as when a guy implies that Phil Greene was only good this season for 3 minutes in December and I point out that he led the conference in 3 point shooting in league games that all took place after December.
If people didn't type out their a$$es so much, I wouldn't have to disprove the excrement with fact.
I think that one could easily argue against your point, based on the fact that Lavin, during his tenure with UCLA had two #1 recruiting classes, and perpetually had a top 5 or top 10 class. If you have the best college kids in the country at your disposal, and you can't get past a top 16 ranking, then you are not "great". Now would most schools like to get to the sweet sixteen every year, of course, but great coaches don't fail to meet expectations for 6 years, and get to be considered great. College's don't dismiss their HC when he is great, unless he continues to embarrass the university. Lavin, "great recruiter", probably when motivated. Great coach ... not so much.
I'm sure your opinion will vary.
I'm certainly no Crgreen so bear with me. I don't recall Hollywood's Bruin teams ever being Georgetown, Unlv or this years Kentucky team. And to me Trevor Ariza, Jason Kapona and Baron Davis were never Bill Walton, Bill Bradley and Bill Cunningham. Who are the sure fire can't lose studs he had that I don't remember?
Recruiting strength is subjectively judge. The incredible post-season success he had in his first gig can not be denied no matter how much he's hated.
With those stacked line ups, the least amount of games ever lost was 8. That puts the tourney showings into fair balance for me. You'd think one of those squads over 6 years would have gone 28-4, 29-3, instead of losing 8, 9, 10, 11... But I know cr would rightfully defend Lavs by stating something along the lines of "Lavs teams were notoriously slow starters due to his constant tinkering with the lineup over the first 5-10 games. That accounted for some of those weird upsets early in the season" (Bless cr's basketball soul - I cannot explain it nearly as good, but I recall a discussion like that a few times.)
and another of my thoughts - there had to be 50 head coaches across the US who must have said at least once, "Man, I wish I could have gotten my hands on his team. I could have run the table." Had to be.
Regular season don't mean sh*t. It's all about the March madness. Everybody knows that.
If anybody points out the "Great" basketball players he had at Ucla that automatically should have brought him to even deeper Ncaa tournament runs...I'll concede the point.
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The guy wrote "where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great". So, I merely pointed out that in his first head coaching gig Lavin was in fact great. In his second coaching gig, he has not yet been great but has brought the Johnnies to 2 Ncaa tournaments in 5 years following a 7 year tournament drought for the program.
Same difference as when a guy implies that Phil Greene was only good this season for 3 minutes in December and I point out that he led the conference in 3 point shooting in league games that all took place after December.
If people didn't type out their a$$es so much, I wouldn't have to disprove the excrement with fact.
I think that one could easily argue against your point, based on the fact that Lavin, during his tenure with UCLA had two #1 recruiting classes, and perpetually had a top 5 or top 10 class. If you have the best college kids in the country at your disposal, and you can't get past a top 16 ranking, then you are not "great". Now would most schools like to get to the sweet sixteen every year, of course, but great coaches don't fail to meet expectations for 6 years, and get to be considered great. College's don't dismiss their HC when he is great, unless he continues to embarrass the university. Lavin, "great recruiter", probably when motivated. Great coach ... not so much.
I'm sure your opinion will vary.
I'm certainly no Crgreen so bear with me. I don't recall Hollywood's Bruin teams ever being Georgetown, Unlv or this years Kentucky team. And to me Trevor Ariza, Jason Kapona and Baron Davis were never Bill Walton, Bill Bradley and Bill Cunningham. Who are the sure fire can't lose studs he had that I don't remember?
Recruiting strength is subjectively judge. The incredible post-season success he had in his first gig can not be denied no matter how much he's hated.
With those stacked line ups, the least amount of games ever lost was 8. That puts the tourney showings into fair balance for me. You'd think one of those squads over 6 years would have gone 28-4, 29-3, instead of losing 8, 9, 10, 11... But I know cr would rightfully defend Lavs by stating something along the lines of "Lavs teams were notoriously slow starters due to his constant tinkering with the lineup over the first 5-10 games. That accounted for some of those weird upsets early in the season" (Bless cr's basketball soul - I cannot explain it nearly as good, but I recall a discussion like that a few times.)
and another of my thoughts - there had to be 50 head coaches across the US who must have said at least once, "Man, I wish I could have gotten my hands on his team. I could have run the table." Had to be.
If anybody points out the "Great" basketball players he had at Ucla that automatically should have brought him to even deeper Ncaa tournament runs...I'll concede the point.
Won't do that - nothing is guaranteed. However, most coaches with year after year of immense talent, usually would have at least one or two monster seasons with more regular season wins. especially in the Pac-10(12) Lavin would even concede it was his and his staff's inexperience that probably prevented that from happening. Now if a Dunlap was his asst, well...
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Now it would be.
Considering they fired a coach that went to 3 straight final 4s (right after Lavin by the way), I'm gonna say no it wouldn't be
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The guy wrote "where Lavin has proven he can't and won't be great". So, I merely pointed out that in his first head coaching gig Lavin was in fact great. In his second coaching gig, he has not yet been great but has brought the Johnnies to 2 Ncaa tournaments in 5 years following a 7 year tournament drought for the program.
Same difference as when a guy implies that Phil Greene was only good this season for 3 minutes in December and I point out that he led the conference in 3 point shooting in league games that all took place after December.
If people didn't type out their a$$es so much, I wouldn't have to disprove the excrement with fact.
I think that one could easily argue against your point, based on the fact that Lavin, during his tenure with UCLA had two #1 recruiting classes, and perpetually had a top 5 or top 10 class. If you have the best college kids in the country at your disposal, and you can't get past a top 16 ranking, then you are not "great". Now would most schools like to get to the sweet sixteen every year, of course, but great coaches don't fail to meet expectations for 6 years, and get to be considered great. College's don't dismiss their HC when he is great, unless he continues to embarrass the university. Lavin, "great recruiter", probably when motivated. Great coach ... not so much.
I'm sure your opinion will vary.
I'm certainly no Crgreen so bear with me. I don't recall Hollywood's Bruin teams ever being Georgetown, Unlv or this years Kentucky team. And to me Trevor Ariza, Jason Kapona and Baron Davis were never Bill Walton, Bill Bradley and Bill Cunningham. Who are the sure fire can't lose studs he had that I don't remember?
Recruiting strength is subjectively judge. The incredible post-season success he had in his first gig can not be denied no matter how much he's hated.
With those stacked line ups, the least amount of games ever lost was 8. That puts the tourney showings into fair balance for me. You'd think one of those squads over 6 years would have gone 28-4, 29-3, instead of losing 8, 9, 10, 11... But I know cr would rightfully defend Lavs by stating something along the lines of "Lavs teams were notoriously slow starters due to his constant tinkering with the lineup over the first 5-10 games. That accounted for some of those weird upsets early in the season" (Bless cr's basketball soul - I cannot explain it nearly as good, but I recall a discussion like that a few times.)
and another of my thoughts - there had to be 50 head coaches across the US who must have said at least once, "Man, I wish I could have gotten my hands on his team. I could have run the table." Had to be.
Regular season don't mean sh*t. It's all about the March madness. Everybody knows that.
If anybody points out the "Great" basketball players he had at Ucla that automatically should have brought him to even deeper Ncaa tournament runs...I'll concede the point.
"Regular season means S!#/..."
C'Mon now. That would mean this season was a complete failure
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So the latest I got is that St. John's is expected to make an announcement today.
In the latest plot twist Lavin out, Mullin in.
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So the latest I got is that St. John's is expected to make an announcement today.
In the latest plot twist Lavin out, Mullin in.
That would be awesome
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So the latest I got is that St. John's is expected to make an announcement today.
In the latest plot twist Lavin out, Mullin in.
That would be awesome
Mullin as next coach would be awesome?
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So the latest I got is that St. John's is expected to make an announcement today.
In the latest plot twist Lavin out, Mullin in.
major major risk. if true, i have a feeling repole is all over this decision.
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Yes.
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So the latest I got is that St. John's is expected to make an announcement today.
In the latest plot twist Lavin out, Mullin in.
major major risk. if true, i have a feeling repole is all over this decision.
Look at first post in thread.
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This is bad. How am I going to mock Chris Mullin.
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This is bad. How am I going to mock Chris Mullin.
He is a recovering alcoholic, start there.
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So the latest I got is that St. John's is expected to make an announcement today.
In the latest plot twist Lavin out, Mullin in.
major major risk. if true, i have a feeling repole is all over this decision.
Look at first post in thread.
thanks. just read it.
this would be so bad. hiring mullin is a PR move. how many hires of this type succeeded? hiring an NBA guys does not translate to college. and he doesn't even have coaching experience! i hope this isn't true.
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He is a recovering alcoholic, start there.
(http://www.jimnolt.com/graphics/jimmyolsen004.jpg)
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So the latest I got is that St. John's is expected to make an announcement today.
In the latest plot twist Lavin out, Mullin in.
major major risk. if true, i have a feeling repole is all over this decision.
Look at first post in thread.
thanks. just read it.
this would be so bad. hiring mullin is a PR move. how many hires of this type succeeded? hiring an NBA guys does not translate to college. and he doesn't even have coaching experience! i hope this isn't true.
Mullin is a risk, yes, but his bball iq is off the charts.
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This is bad. How am I going to mock Chris Mullin.
Perhaps you take a break (assuming he wears a coat and tie) ?
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So the latest I got is that St. John's is expected to make an announcement today.
In the latest plot twist Lavin out, Mullin in.
major major risk. if true, i have a feeling repole is all over this decision.
Look at first post in thread.
thanks. just read it.
this would be so bad. hiring mullin is a PR move. how many hires of this type succeeded? hiring an NBA guys does not translate to college. and he doesn't even have coaching experience! i hope this isn't true.
Mullin is a risk, yes, but his bball iq is off the charts.
i thought people wanted a "sure thing"
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Say what you want about Lavin, but if you F with Mullin, people are gonna come looking for you.
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So the latest I got is that St. John's is expected to make an announcement today.
In the latest plot twist Lavin out, Mullin in.
major major risk. if true, i have a feeling repole is all over this decision.
Look at first post in thread.
thanks. just read it.
this would be so bad. hiring mullin is a PR move. how many hires of this type succeeded? hiring an NBA guys does not translate to college. and he doesn't even have coaching experience! i hope this isn't true.
Mullin is a risk, yes, but his bball iq is off the charts.
i thought people wanted a "sure thing"
We already have a sure thing. We are sure to lose in March with Lavin because we have every single time. At least Mullin knows the game. You think he's gonna bring that match up shit to Queens? Man 2 Man, and he'll find shooters, because he'll be able to tell if they can actually shoot.
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This wouldn't be a very nice April's Fools Day joke.
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So the latest I got is that St. John's is expected to make an announcement today.
In the latest plot twist Lavin out, Mullin in.
major major risk. if true, i have a feeling repole is all over this decision.
Look at first post in thread.
thanks. just read it.
this would be so bad. hiring mullin is a PR move. how many hires of this type succeeded? hiring an NBA guys does not translate to college. and he doesn't even have coaching experience! i hope this isn't true.
Mullin is a risk, yes, but his bball iq is off the charts.
i thought people wanted a "sure thing"
We already have a sure thing. We are sure to lose in March with Lavin because we have every single time. At least Mullin knows the game. You think he's gonna bring that match up shit to Queens? Man 2 Man, and he'll find shooters, because he'll be able to tell if they can actually shoot.
this isn't a basketball ball move. it's about money and PR. mullin will bring in donors. mullin will bring in PR.
i'm shocked he's willing to put his legacy on the line.
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Mullin could be a home run. He knows the game he knows New York and he can sell from firsthand experience what glory and stardom at St. John's looks like. And every kids mom or dad or handler who knows abhtjjnf about basketball will know him.
Hall of fame dream team home bred basketball genius. That sounds as good a bet as any to me.
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Honestly asking. Is Mullin a household name outside of California, SJU, and NYC? Wasn't groomed to be a GM (as with the knicks)? Will the school spend even more money to ensure he has a staff that can support him?
Bonus question: Will he demand the that the Redmen name comes back because that's how he roles?
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Yes. Imagine he brings in Slice, like Dave mentioned.
You either know hoops or you don't. Weren't the Kings thinking of hiring Chris?
Steve Kerr had no experience. Mark Jackson before that.
Smart people surround themselves with smarter people. I think a Mullin led staff would do exactly that.
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Honestly asking. Is Mullin a household name outside of California, SJU, and NYC? Wasn't groomed to be a GM (as with the knicks)? Will the school spend even more money to ensure he has a staff that can support him?
Bonus question: Will he demand the that the Redmen name comes back because that's how he roles?
He is not even a household name on these boards as his name is mispelled Mullin at least 10 times a year
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Honestly asking. Is Mullin a household name outside of California, SJU, and NYC? Wasn't groomed to be a GM (as with the knicks)? Will the school spend even more money to ensure he has a staff that can support him?
Bonus question: Will he demand the that the Redmen name comes back because that's how he roles?
I highly doubt Chris Mullin is a household name since half of our diehard fans spell his name wrong ;)
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Honestly asking. Is Mullin a household name outside of California, SJU, and NYC? Wasn't groomed to be a GM (as with the knicks)? Will the school spend even more money to ensure he has a staff that can support him?
Bonus question: Will he demand the that the Redmen name comes back because that's how he roles?
as a marketing guy, i can tell you SJU is still making some money on the side with the Redmen logo. i don't think the name will ever come back. but the logo on some apparel might.
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Honestly asking. Is Mullin a household name outside of California, SJU, and NYC? Wasn't groomed to be a GM (as with the knicks)? Will the school spend even more money to ensure he has a staff that can support him?
Bonus question: Will he demand the that the Redmen name comes back because that's how he roles?
He is not even a household name on these boards as his name is mispelled Mullin at least 10 times a year
What, Me fail English, that's unpossible
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Yes. Imagine he brings in Slice, like Dave mentioned.
You either know hoops or you don't. Weren't the Kings thinking of hiring Chris?
Steve Kerr had no experience. Mark Jackson before that.
Smart people surround themselves with smarter people. I think a Mullin led staff would do exactly that.
Recruiting would be the issue. If he brings in Slice obviously that fixes that. Since we do not have the ability to hire an experienced succesful coach, Mullin / Slice would be the only hire that would be acceptable IMO
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i'm shocked he's willing to put his legacy on the line.
Probably he figures that if a bubblehead like Lavin can win 20 games he can win 40. If he does win he becomes a legend. If he loses everyone would still love him and he gets 10 million for his trouble. Nobody in Boston cares what Ted Williams record as a manager was.
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I haven't seen more conflicting reports on a sports event since Lebron's decision to take his talents to south beach.
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I am at lunch now. When I get back I will ask my students who Chris mullin is? I doubt any of them know. These kids follow basketball. They all want to be Isaiah briscoe and shampor ponds.
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i'm shocked he's willing to put his legacy on the line.
Probably he figures that if a bubblehead like Lavin can win 20 games he can win 40. If he does win he becomes a legend. If he loses everyone would still love him and he gets 10 million for his trouble. Nobody in Boston cares what Ted Williams record as a manager was.
But now he is just a decapitated frozen head
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Yes. Imagine he brings in Slice, like Dave mentioned.
You either know hoops or you don't. Weren't the Kings thinking of hiring Chris?
Steve Kerr had no experience. Mark Jackson before that.
Smart people surround themselves with smarter people. I think a Mullin led staff would do exactly that.
kerr and jackson are bad examples. those guys took over a team led by arguably the most exciting player in the nba.
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I am at lunch now. When I get back I will ask my students who Chris mullin is? I doubt any of them know. These kids follow basketball. They all want to be Isaiah briscoe and shampor ponds.
But do they know who Steve Lavin is?
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I am at lunch now. When I get back I will ask my students who Chris mullin is? I doubt any of them know. These kids follow basketball. They all want to be Isaiah briscoe and shampor ponds.
But do they know who Steve Lavin is?
the kids won't but their parents will.
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I am at lunch now. When I get back I will ask my students who Chris mullin is? I doubt any of them know. These kids follow basketball. They all want to be Isaiah briscoe and shampor ponds.
Their coaches and parents and handlers know who Mullin is. That the kids don't might be on the teacher.
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I am at lunch now. When I get back I will ask my students who Chris mullin is? I doubt any of them know. These kids follow basketball. They all want to be Isaiah briscoe and shampor ponds.
Love this logic.
We should make Bobby Schmurda our new head coach because the high school kids know him.
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A staff of Mullin, Slice, Matt A, and whoeever else (even if it's T Mullin or Steve Shurina) would be outstanding
I am not sold on the legend coming back to coach like Drexler for example but Mullin is just a basketball gym rat who made himself great without "the athlete" attached to his skill set
I think he would be an outstanding coach
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I am at lunch now. When I get back I will ask my students who Chris mullin is? I doubt any of them know. These kids follow basketball. They all want to be Isaiah briscoe and shampor ponds.
But their parents will and that will matter in recruiting.
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A staff of Mullin, Slice, Matt A, and whoeever else (even if it's T Mullin or Steve Shurina) would be outstanding
I am not sold on the legend coming back to coach like Drexler for example but Mullin is just a basketball gym rat who made himself great without "the athlete" attached to his skill set
I think he would be an outstanding coach
Like a Pete Rose....Without the gambling.
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A staff of Mullin, Slice, Matt A, and whoeever else (even if it's T Mullin or Steve Shurina) would be outstanding
I am not sold on the legend coming back to coach like Drexler for example but Mullin is just a basketball gym rat who made himself great without "the athlete" attached to his skill set
I think he would be an outstanding coach
I agree 100%
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i'm shocked he's willing to put his legacy on the line.
Probably he figures that if a bubblehead like Lavin can win 20 games he can win 40. If he does win he becomes a legend. If he loses everyone would still love him and he gets 10 million for his trouble. Nobody in Boston cares what Ted Williams record as a manager was.
But now he is just a decapitated frozen head
And he's still smarter than Lavin.
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A staff of Mullin, Slice, Matt A, and whoeever else (even if it's T Mullin or Steve Shurina) would be outstanding
I am not sold on the legend coming back to coach like Drexler for example but Mullin is just a basketball gym rat who made himself great without "the athlete" attached to his skill set
I think he would be an outstanding coach
Like a Pete Rose....Without the gambling.
I had to look
412-373 in carreer, not too shabby
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A staff of Mullin, Slice, Matt A, and whoeever else (even if it's T Mullin or Steve Shurina) would be outstanding
I am not sold on the legend coming back to coach like Drexler for example but Mullin is just a basketball gym rat who made himself great without "the athlete" attached to his skill set
I think he would be an outstanding coach
Worry would be recruiting. If Slice is part of the deal, when did those conversations take place? Can't imagine Cal would be happy that his assistant is talking about other jobs during the tourney.
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Mullin was on the dream team. Kids know who he is/was.
And just as importantly, he was an NBA GM.
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A staff of Mullin, Slice, Matt A, and whoeever else (even if it's T Mullin or Steve Shurina) would be outstanding
I am not sold on the legend coming back to coach like Drexler for example but Mullin is just a basketball gym rat who made himself great without "the athlete" attached to his skill set
I think he would be an outstanding coach
Worry would be recruiting. If Slice is part of the deal, when did those conversations take place? Can't imagine Cal would be happy that his assistant is talking about other jobs during the tourney.
Why would Cal care, he's probably looking for a bigger better thing (if that is possible) himself lol
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I am at lunch now. When I get back I will ask my students who Chris mullin is? I doubt any of them know. These kids follow basketball. They all want to be Isaiah briscoe and shampor ponds.
Love this logic.
We should make Bobby Schmurda our new head coach because the high school kids know him.
Recruiting kids, helps if they know who you are. Should just bring Kate Upton or Rihanna on recruiting trips.
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A staff of Mullin, Slice, Matt A, and whoeever else (even if it's T Mullin or Steve Shurina) would be outstanding
I am not sold on the legend coming back to coach like Drexler for example but Mullin is just a basketball gym rat who made himself great without "the athlete" attached to his skill set
I think he would be an outstanding coach
Worry would be recruiting. If Slice is part of the deal, when did those conversations take place? Can't imagine Cal would be happy that his assistant is talking about other jobs during the tourney.
Why would Cal care, he's probably looking for a bigger better thing (if that is possible) himself lol
Would Louie care if during 85 final four Mahoney was talking to Iona about going there to be an assistant?
That would have maybe changed SJU history for the better, but still.
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Lavin's here for the long term fellas.
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Someone just tweeted that Mark Jackson on campus
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Someone just tweeted that Mark Jackson on campus
he said he's joking. making up rumors for the fun of it.
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Lol. Stop the insanity. Make an announcement.
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You guys miss my point. He is being hired becuse he was a legend. For anyone older then 40 and a nyc or St. John's fan he is. No coaching experience. The same people are complaining about our current coach being a fool want to hire a guy who has never even ran a practice.
I am 36, never saw him in college. He played at golden state. They were not on . He was on the dream team but so was Christian laetner. Not trying to disparage him. He was a great player. I remember as a role player on the pacers.
These students of mine are being recruited to Christ the king, bishop Loughlin, and mc lance. Not saying they are all division 1 prospects . But if they Hire mullin it is going to impress the 45 year old alumni not the HS players. If we start wining that will change. I am not against this. I think it could be be great.
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Someone just tweeted that Mark Jackson on campus
he said he's joking. making up rumors for the fun of it.
hahaha no. So many people throwing out fake rumors, I thought I might as well too
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Someone just tweeted that Mark Jackson on campus
he said he's joking. making up rumors for the fun of it.
That user has blocked me, I don't know why
Nothing shocks me at this point
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Someone just tweeted that Mark Jackson on campus
he said he's joking. making up rumors for the fun of it.
Are you Robbie Leone?
hahaha no. So many people throwing out fake rumors, I thought I might as well too
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Someone just tweeted that Mark Jackson on campus
he said he's joking. making up rumors for the fun of it.
Are you Robbie Leone?
hahaha no. So many people throwing out fake rumors, I thought I might as well too
nope. i just copied his tweet.
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Someone just tweeted that Mark Jackson on campus
he said he's joking. making up rumors for the fun of it.
Are you Robbie Leone?
hahaha no. So many people throwing out fake rumors, I thought I might as well too
nope.
Don't know why that twitter account would block me specifically lol
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Someone just tweeted that Mark Jackson on campus
he said he's joking. making up rumors for the fun of it.
Are you Robbie Leone?
hahaha no. So many people throwing out fake rumors, I thought I might as well too
nope. i just copied his tweet.
Robbie Leone @inrbrt
@gionysports hahaha no. So many people throwing out fake rumors, I thought I might as well too
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Robbie Leone @inrbrt
Mark Jackson just arrived at queens campus #sjubb
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No coaching experience.
Norm had coaching experience. Mahoney had coaching experience. The Jarvae had coaching experience. You know who had no coaching experience? Louie.
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Mullin could be a home run. He knows the game he knows New York and he can sell from firsthand experience what glory and stardom at St. John's looks like. And every kids mom or dad or handler who knows abhtjjnf about basketball will know him.
Hall of fame dream team home bred basketball genius. That sounds as good a bet as any to me.
If he was a home run, he would be here 20+ yrs. He was raised in bk, went to school at SJU. He wouldn't leave for a bigger job.
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Announcement I'm told should be around 1:30.
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Mullin could be a home run. He knows the game he knows New York and he can sell from firsthand experience what glory and stardom at St. John's looks like. And every kids mom or dad or handler who knows abhtjjnf about basketball will know him.
Hall of fame dream team home bred basketball genius. That sounds as good a bet as any to me.
If he was a home run, he would be here 20+ yrs. He was raised in bk, went to school at SJU. He wouldn't leave for a bigger job.
I don't think we would have to worry about him working hard and doing his very best to restore the program. The glory days (did we really ever have one?) are over. NYC is a different beast these days but I just want consistency and normally in daily progress from the program.
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Announcement I'm told should be around 1:30.
Announcement of firing, new hiring, one or both?
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So the latest I got is that St. John's is expected to make an announcement today.
In the latest plot twist Lavin out, Mullin in.
major major risk. if true, i have a feeling repole is all over this decision.
Look at first post in thread.
If that is the case, and Mullin brings in the guys you mentioned earlier in this thread, then it may not be such a bad idea. I'd also like a tactician on the bench with him since this would be his first coaching gig. That doesn't mean to Mullin isn't a capable coach, but I'd feel someone who can "talk with the chalk" should be accompanying Mullin since this will be his first rodeo.
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Mullin would be the Anti-Lavin
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Smart people surround themselves with smarter people.
Totally agree! I've long thought a coach should surround himself with a staff that knows just as much, if not more, than s/he.
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Having your favorite player of all time being named Head Coach would be quite the birthday present for me. Lol.
Dink - I'm sure an X and O guy would be part of staff. Is Al Lobalbo still alive? ( I kid)
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Honestly asking. Is Mullin a household name outside of California, SJU, and NYC? Wasn't groomed to be a GM (as with the knicks)? Will the school spend even more money to ensure he has a staff that can support him?
Bonus question: Will he demand the that the Redmen name comes back because that's how he roles?
He is not even a household name on these boards as his name is mispelled Mullin at least 10 times a year
LOL
I've seen Mullin, Mullins, and even Mullin (WTF).
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not sure what dlo is implying.
https://twitter.com/DangeloHarrison/status/581461445830934528
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C'Mon now. That would mean this season was a complete failure
No. For a team that reaches the dance bout as often as I see my kids from my second marriage...it was a success.
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I'm hearing that St. Johns will have a basketball coach next season. I'm 99% sure. From what I hear, it will be Steve Lavin or somebody else. This is from a very very good source.
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I'm hearing that St. Johns will have a basketball coach next season. I'm 99% sure. From what I hear, it will be Steve Lavin or somebody else. This is from a very very good source.
Hahaha
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this isn't a basketball ball move. it's about money and PR. mullin will bring in donors. mullin will bring in PR.
i'm shocked he's willing to put his legacy on the line.
Is that necessarily a bad thing? In the nonprofit world, the staff makes stuff happen, while the CEO gets press and donors. If he makes smart assistant decisions, he's got the name rec to land us some recruits and increase the program's budget. Maybe he's the catalyst to new facilities?
I'm not saying it's a home run, but he's certainly an indication of swinging for the fences.
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Having your favorite player of all time being named Head Coach would be quite the birthday present for me. Lol.
Dink - I'm sure an X and O guy would be part of staff. Is Al Lobalbo still alive? ( I kid)
Yeah, I still would rather see an extension, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be excited about Mullin.
Happy Birthday Boo!
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Having your favorite player of all time being named Head Coach would be quite the birthday present for me. Lol.
Dink - I'm sure an X and O guy would be part of staff. Is Al Lobalbo still alive? ( I kid)
Yeah, I still would rather see an extension, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be excited about Mullin.
Happy Birthday Boo!
crazy idea. keep lavin and bring mullin to the staff.
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Having your favorite player of all time being named Head Coach would be quite the birthday present for me. Lol.
Dink - I'm sure an X and O guy would be part of staff. Is Al Lobalbo still alive? ( I kid)
Yeah, I still would rather see an extension, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be excited about Mullin.
Happy Birthday Boo!
crazy idea. keep lavin and bring mullin to the staff.
Mullin is not working for Lavin lol
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Hypothetically speaking who would be a good choice for an X and O assistant coach?
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Having your favorite player of all time being named Head Coach would be quite the birthday present for me. Lol.
Dink - I'm sure an X and O guy would be part of staff. Is Al Lobalbo still alive? ( I kid)
Yeah, I still would rather see an extension, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be excited about Mullin.
Happy Birthday Boo!
crazy idea. keep lavin and bring mullin to the staff.
Tha Kid, Marillac and WASJU are more likely to be the team's 3 assistants next year than Chris Mullin is to be an ASSISTANT to STEVE LAVIN. Ha.
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Gene Keady
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Gene Keady
Gene ain't sticking around without Steve
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not sure what dlo is implying.
https://twitter.com/DangeloHarrison/status/581461445830934528
Head coach John Lucas.
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Having your favorite player of all time being named Head Coach would be quite the birthday present for me. Lol.
Dink - I'm sure an X and O guy would be part of staff. Is Al Lobalbo still alive? ( I kid)
Actually, I don't particularly have a favorite player of all time. If I did, then it would be Walter Berry. I wouldn't want him coaching the Johnnies. ;)
I'm a bit torn on it, if they decide to hire Mullin, errrr, Mullin. On the other hand, there will be a part of me that would be excited. I'm curious about the particular staff mentioned, as well. They are gonna have to be able to bring in blue-chipper's on a national level. If we wanna consistently contend on a national level, then that is gonna be the way of getting 'er done.
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Having your favorite player of all time being named Head Coach would be quite the birthday present for me. Lol.
Dink - I'm sure an X and O guy would be part of staff. Is Al Lobalbo still alive? ( I kid)
Actually, I don't particularly have a favorite player of all time. If I did, then it would be Walter Berry. I wouldn't want him coaching the Johnnies. ;)
I'm a bit torn on it, if they decide to hire Mullin, errrr, Mullin. On the other hand, there will be a part of me that would be excited. I'm curious about the particular staff mentioned, as well. They are gonna have to be able to bring in blue-chipper's on a national level. If we wanna consistently contend on a national level, then that is gonna be the way of getting 'er done.
I would love Berry to be the next coach.
If kids don 't know who he is just bring tape of his games from 86 season. Of course no one owns a VCR anymore so that might not help.
Infact I would sign on for Straw and Gooden to be the co managers of the Mets
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if lavin is fired today, the way sju operates, we won't see a new coach for at least another week. we'll find ourselves in limbo again.
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Having your favorite player of all time being named Head Coach would be quite the birthday present for me. Lol.
Dink - I'm sure an X and O guy would be part of staff. Is Al Lobalbo still alive? ( I kid)
Actually, I don't particularly have a favorite player of all time. If I did, then it would be Walter Berry. I wouldn't want him coaching the Johnnies. ;)
I'm a bit torn on it, if they decide to hire Mullin, errrr, Mullin. On the other hand, there will be a part of me that would be excited. I'm curious about the particular staff mentioned, as well. They are gonna have to be able to bring in blue-chipper's on a national level. If we wanna consistently contend on a national level, then that is gonna be the way of getting 'er done.
It would be interesting to see what kind of staff he would hire, he has been exposd to so many different players and coaches during his stay at St Johns then a long run in the NBA as a player and executive
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Hypothetically speaking who would be a good choice for an X and O assistant coach?
Don't know but would like to Werdann and Zendon on board. They both have experience as asst. coaches. I am sure Mullin would have some type of NBA guys he could turn to.
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if lavin is fired today, the way sju operates, we won't see a new coach for at least another week. we'll find ourselves in limbo again.
I agree, even if they have a deal in place with Mullin or have had cursory talks with Danny or Bobby they will give it a little time
I would be shocked if an official announcement is made before the Final Four
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Mullin is a great basketball mind and you know he is going to work his tail off if he makes this commitment. Regardless of age, people know who he is, that he was a great player and has been involved in the NBA for years, and his name is still golden in the tri-state area (and perhaps beyond).
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Been told that Steve Lavin meeting with St. John's today. We will see if a decision is made. Lots of misinformation out there.
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Mullin is a great basketball mind and you know he is going to work his tail off if he makes this commitment. Regardless of age, people know who he is, that he was a great player and has been involved in the NBA for years, and his name is still golden in the tri-state area (and perhaps beyond).
If a kid doesn't know Mullin is a star then the kids parent does. He would get into a lot of final fives for kids and get a home visit with a chance to close the deal.
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if lavin is fired today, the way sju operates, we won't see a new coach for at least another week. we'll find ourselves in limbo again.
Other board hinting they already have one. Not the nutjobs either but "respectable" posters
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Is Mullin the only option right now if Lavin is let go? Looks like Bobby Hurley and Archie Miller are signing extensions.
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The people concerned about if Mullin could be successful without any head coaching experience have obviously not been following how good of a program Iowa State has become with Fred Hoiberg
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Announcement I'm told should be around 1:30.
Maybe it's 1:30 west coast time. Wouldn't they have to alert the media? No one on Twitter has mentioned a press conference or call.
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Is Mullin the only option right now if Lavin is let go? Looks like Bobby Hurley and Archie Miller are signing extensions.
People keep saying that St.John's has no options. I heard on the Fan yesterday, who ya gonna get? From the casual fan's POV, I get it. It might even turn out to be to the best course of action, but I don't think it is.
How do we know how the new President would view a change? Who knows what his interests are for the program and the school. I have no proof that I can share here other than conversations I've had, but firing Fran and Jarvis the way he did, scared off a lot of people. Jarvis, yes, deserved to go. But on Christmass Eve? Fran was poking around ar ASU. Why isn't he allowed to do that? They nodded to his begavior as a coach. Did he hit a kid? Did he rape a kid? They treated him like he did.
Let me tell ya, some former Redmen have told me some doozies about Lou. He got angry plenty.
It's too bad that I don't buy Mullin taking the gig. People want New Yorkers, he'd get em. It's not just his name as a player. He's a true NYC bball legend. He was best of his time, and every high school coach knows him or knows all about him.
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The people concerned about if Mullin could be successful without any head coaching experience have obviously not been following how good of a program Iowa State has become with Fred Hoiberg
That's a good point, but one can always use other coaches who flamed out without any experience.
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Announcement I'm told should be around 1:30.
Maybe it's 1:30 west coast time. Wouldn't they have to alert the media? No one on Twitter has mentioned a press conference or call.
That's what I heard.
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Announcement of what?
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The people concerned about if Mullin could be successful without any head coaching experience have obviously not been following how good of a program Iowa State has become with Fred Hoiberg
Again as I said for every Fred Hoiberg you get a Clyde Drexler (Houston), Sidney Lowe (NC St) or Eddie Jordan (Rutgers).
I am not saying Chris can't win just like the Hurley's but there is risk, don't pretend there isn't.
If you remember when Monasch fired Norm he said his next hire had to be a coach with experience and specifically a coach who has brought his teams to the NCAA's. I assume we are not necessarily using that criteria anymore if in indeed Lavin is fired and Chris is hired.
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The people concerned about if Mullin could be successful without any head coaching experience have obviously not been following how good of a program Iowa State has become with Fred Hoiberg
Again as I said for every Fred Hoiberg you get a Clyde Drexler (Houston), Sidney Lowe (NC St) or Eddie Jordan (Rutgers).
I am not saying Chris can't win just like the Hurley's but there is risk, don't pretend there isn't.
If you remember when Monasch fired Norm he said his next hire had to be a coach with experience and specifically a coach who has brought his teams to the NCAA's. I assume we are not necessarily using that criteria anymore if in indeed Lavin is fired and Chris is hired.
Fair points, always a risk & no "magic bullet" in this process.
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Paultzman r u expecting some sort of announcement today?
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The people concerned about if Mullin could be successful without any head coaching experience have obviously not been following how good of a program Iowa State has become with Fred Hoiberg
Again as I said for every Fred Hoiberg you get a Clyde Drexler (Houston), Sidney Lowe (NC St) or Eddie Jordan (Rutgers).
I am not saying Chris can't win just like the Hurley's but there is risk, don't pretend there isn't.
If you remember when Monasch fired Norm he said his next hire had to be a coach with experience and specifically a coach who has brought his teams to the NCAA's. I assume we are not necessarily using that criteria anymore if in indeed Lavin is fired and Chris is hired.
That's right. The concern about Mullin's abilities due to his lack of experience is silly though as it's been proven that former NBA players and front office guys can return to their alma mater and be successful as evidenced by Hoiberg's success. Obviously not every coach that does this is successful nor is any coach promotoed from assistant to head coach, a coach that moves up a conference, or a coach that comes straight from ESPN. Any coach we hire, including Mullin, will have some risk associated with him, but keeping Lavin is a major risk/gamble as well
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The people concerned about if Mullin could be successful without any head coaching experience have obviously not been following how good of a program Iowa State has become with Fred Hoiberg
Again as I said for every Fred Hoiberg you get a Clyde Drexler (Houston), Sidney Lowe (NC St) or Eddie Jordan (Rutgers).
I am not saying Chris can't win just like the Hurley's but there is risk, don't pretend there isn't.
If you remember when Monasch fired Norm he said his next hire had to be a coach with experience and specifically a coach who has brought his teams to the NCAA's. I assume we are not necessarily using that criteria anymore if in indeed Lavin is fired and Chris is hired.
Fair points, always a risk & no "magic bullet" in this process.
Hit / Avon now saying wont be Mullin
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If it's not Mullin I'm against it.. They have to have someone lined up after dicking around all week. A legit coaching candidate... If they announce a firing and a search committee, well, might as well throw in the towel on this disaster of a program.
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The people concerned about if Mullin could be successful without any head coaching experience have obviously not been following how good of a program Iowa State has become with Fred Hoiberg
Again as I said for every Fred Hoiberg you get a Clyde Drexler (Houston), Sidney Lowe (NC St) or Eddie Jordan (Rutgers).
I am not saying Chris can't win just like the Hurley's but there is risk, don't pretend there isn't.
If you remember when Monasch fired Norm he said his next hire had to be a coach with experience and specifically a coach who has brought his teams to the NCAA's. I assume we are not necessarily using that criteria anymore if in indeed Lavin is fired and Chris is hired.
That's right. The concern about Mullin's abilities due to his lack of experience is silly though as it's been proven that former NBA players and front office guys can return to their alma mater and be successful as evidenced by Hoiberg's success. Obviously not every coach that does this is successful nor is any coach promotoed from assistant to head coach, a coach that moves up a conference, or a coach that comes straight from ESPN. Any coach we hire, including Mullin, will have some risk associated with him, but keeping Lavin is a major risk/gamble as well
Again, you always have to throw out Lavin's name when making your argument. Fordham never mentioned Lavin.
It may be a risk to retain Lavin, but it is more of a risk with Mullin.
It's snowing outdoors....
goredmen: I hate to have to go out and shovel my sidewalk. I wonder if Lavin is shoveling his (sidewalk). I bet he isn't doing anything (to his sidewalk).
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The people concerned about if Mullin could be successful without any head coaching experience have obviously not been following how good of a program Iowa State has become with Fred Hoiberg
Again as I said for every Fred Hoiberg you get a Clyde Drexler (Houston), Sidney Lowe (NC St) or Eddie Jordan (Rutgers).
I am not saying Chris can't win just like the Hurley's but there is risk, don't pretend there isn't.
If you remember when Monasch fired Norm he said his next hire had to be a coach with experience and specifically a coach who has brought his teams to the NCAA's. I assume we are not necessarily using that criteria anymore if in indeed Lavin is fired and Chris is hired.
That's right. The concern about Mullin's abilities due to his lack of experience is silly though as it's been proven that former NBA players and front office guys can return to their alma mater and be successful as evidenced by Hoiberg's success. Obviously not every coach that does this is successful nor is any coach promotoed from assistant to head coach, a coach that moves up a conference, or a coach that comes straight from ESPN. Any coach we hire, including Mullin, will have some risk associated with him, but keeping Lavin is a major risk/gamble as well
Again, you always have to throw out Lavin's name when making your argument. Fordham never mentioned Lavin.
It may be a risk to retain Lavin, but it is more of a risk with Mullin.
It's snowing outdoors....
goredmen: I hate to have to go out and shovel my sidewalk. I wonder if Lavin is shoveling his (sidewalk). I bet he isn't doing anything (to his sidewalk).
This whole topic is about Lavin and the direction of the program should he be let go. If Norm was still our coach and we were a combined 10-50 over the past 2 seasons nobody would be concerned about Mullin's lack of experience, they would all be in favor of hiring him right away. The only reason people are concerned about Mullin's lack of experience is because they fear that may be what causes him to not be an improvement over Lavin.
And I disagree that Mullin is more of a risk than Lavin. Lavin has done nothing to show me that these next 5 years will be BETTER than these past 5 years which were very mediocre
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If it's not Mullin I'm against it..
I wouldn't have a particular problem with Mullin, if the staff mentioned was brought in.
If they announce a firing and a search committee, well, might as well throw in the towel on this disaster of a program.
This is what concerns me. We could end up with Mas or Pat Kennedy.
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Lavin
Fordham never mentioned Lavin.
Never say never.
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The people concerned about if Mullin could be successful without any head coaching experience have obviously not been following how good of a program Iowa State has become with Fred Hoiberg
Again as I said for every Fred Hoiberg you get a Clyde Drexler (Houston), Sidney Lowe (NC St) or Eddie Jordan (Rutgers).
I am not saying Chris can't win just like the Hurley's but there is risk, don't pretend there isn't.
If you remember when Monasch fired Norm he said his next hire had to be a coach with experience and specifically a coach who has brought his teams to the NCAA's. I assume we are not necessarily using that criteria anymore if in indeed Lavin is fired and Chris is hired.
That's right. The concern about Mullin's abilities due to his lack of experience is silly though as it's been proven that former NBA players and front office guys can return to their alma mater and be successful as evidenced by Hoiberg's success. Obviously not every coach that does this is successful nor is any coach promotoed from assistant to head coach, a coach that moves up a conference, or a coach that comes straight from ESPN. Any coach we hire, including Mullin, will have some risk associated with him, but keeping Lavin is a major risk/gamble as well
Again, you always have to throw out Lavin's name when making your argument. Fordham never mentioned Lavin.
It may be a risk to retain Lavin, but it is more of a risk with Mullin.
It's snowing outdoors....
goredmen: I hate to have to go out and shovel my sidewalk. I wonder if Lavin is shoveling his (sidewalk). I bet he isn't doing anything (to his sidewalk).
This whole topic is about Lavin and the direction of the program should he be let go. If Norm was still our coach and we were a combined 10-50 over the past 2 seasons nobody would be concerned about Mullin's lack of experience, they would all be in favor of hiring him right away. The only reason people are concerned about Mullin's lack of experience is because they fear that may be what causes him to not be an improvement over Lavin.
And I disagree that Mullin is more of a risk than Lavin. Lavin has done nothing to show me that these next 5 years will be BETTER than these past 5 years which were very mediocre
You always find a way to bring Lavin into the conversation. There was a reason boo said to this to you the other day....
Lavin is in your head brother.. You need to take a walk around the block.. You sound disturbed, honestly.
Did Lavin step on your shoe and didn't say, "excuse me?"
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Never
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The people concerned about if Mullin could be successful without any head coaching experience have obviously not been following how good of a program Iowa State has become with Fred Hoiberg
Again as I said for every Fred Hoiberg you get a Clyde Drexler (Houston), Sidney Lowe (NC St) or Eddie Jordan (Rutgers).
I am not saying Chris can't win just like the Hurley's but there is risk, don't pretend there isn't.
If you remember when Monasch fired Norm he said his next hire had to be a coach with experience and specifically a coach who has brought his teams to the NCAA's. I assume we are not necessarily using that criteria anymore if in indeed Lavin is fired and Chris is hired.
That's right. The concern about Mullin's abilities due to his lack of experience is silly though as it's been proven that former NBA players and front office guys can return to their alma mater and be successful as evidenced by Hoiberg's success. Obviously not every coach that does this is successful nor is any coach promotoed from assistant to head coach, a coach that moves up a conference, or a coach that comes straight from ESPN. Any coach we hire, including Mullin, will have some risk associated with him, but keeping Lavin is a major risk/gamble as well
Again, you always have to throw out Lavin's name when making your argument. Fordham never mentioned Lavin.
It may be a risk to retain Lavin, but it is more of a risk with Mullin.
It's snowing outdoors....
goredmen: I hate to have to go out and shovel my sidewalk. I wonder if Lavin is shoveling his (sidewalk). I bet he isn't doing anything (to his sidewalk).
This whole topic is about Lavin and the direction of the program should he be let go. If Norm was still our coach and we were a combined 10-50 over the past 2 seasons nobody would be concerned about Mullin's lack of experience, they would all be in favor of hiring him right away. The only reason people are concerned about Mullin's lack of experience is because they fear that may be what causes him to not be an improvement over Lavin.
And I disagree that Mullin is more of a risk than Lavin. Lavin has done nothing to show me that these next 5 years will be BETTER than these past 5 years which were very mediocre
You always find a way to bring Lavin into the conversation. There was a reason boo said to this to you the other day....
Lavin is in your head brother.. You need to take a walk around the block.. You sound disturbed, honestly.
Did Lavin step on your shoe and didn't say, "excuse me?"
There are 50 active threads on this board about Lavin but when I bring him up apparently I'm disturbed, ok.
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Roger Rubin @RogRubin
Steve Lavin will be replaced as St. John’s basketball coach, the school announced.
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The people concerned about if Mullin could be successful without any head coaching experience have obviously not been following how good of a program Iowa State has become with Fred Hoiberg
Again as I said for every Fred Hoiberg you get a Clyde Drexler (Houston), Sidney Lowe (NC St) or Eddie Jordan (Rutgers).
I am not saying Chris can't win just like the Hurley's but there is risk, don't pretend there isn't.
If you remember when Monasch fired Norm he said his next hire had to be a coach with experience and specifically a coach who has brought his teams to the NCAA's. I assume we are not necessarily using that criteria anymore if in indeed Lavin is fired and Chris is hired.
That's right. The concern about Mullin's abilities due to his lack of experience is silly though as it's been proven that former NBA players and front office guys can return to their alma mater and be successful as evidenced by Hoiberg's success. Obviously not every coach that does this is successful nor is any coach promotoed from assistant to head coach, a coach that moves up a conference, or a coach that comes straight from ESPN. Any coach we hire, including Mullin, will have some risk associated with him, but keeping Lavin is a major risk/gamble as well
Again, you always have to throw out Lavin's name when making your argument. Fordham never mentioned Lavin.
It may be a risk to retain Lavin, but it is more of a risk with Mullin.
It's snowing outdoors....
goredmen: I hate to have to go out and shovel my sidewalk. I wonder if Lavin is shoveling his (sidewalk). I bet he isn't doing anything (to his sidewalk).
This whole topic is about Lavin and the direction of the program should he be let go. If Norm was still our coach and we were a combined 10-50 over the past 2 seasons nobody would be concerned about Mullin's lack of experience, they would all be in favor of hiring him right away. The only reason people are concerned about Mullin's lack of experience is because they fear that may be what causes him to not be an improvement over Lavin.
And I disagree that Mullin is more of a risk than Lavin. Lavin has done nothing to show me that these next 5 years will be BETTER than these past 5 years which were very mediocre
You always find a way to bring Lavin into the conversation. There was a reason boo said to this to you the other day....
Lavin is in your head brother.. You need to take a walk around the block.. You sound disturbed, honestly.
Did Lavin step on your shoe and didn't say, "excuse me?"
There are 50 active threads on this board about Lavin but when I bring him up apparently I'm disturbed, ok.
lol, Nah, man.... I don't think you're disturbed. I think you're too emotionally invested in what Lavin does or doesn't do (hence, why you have to mention his name when it's not even particularly warranted).
You may get your wish later.
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Roger Rubin @RogRubin
Steve Lavin will be replaced as St. John’s basketball coach, the school announced.
Okay.... Now, that's out of the way. They need to bring in someone who may be able to keep the commitments and possibly, retain Jordan and Obekpa. Don't drag their feet, either.
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jeffborzello Jeff Borzello
St. John's and Steve Lavin have mutually agreed to part ways, per the school.
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The people concerned about if Mullin could be successful without any head coaching experience have obviously not been following how good of a program Iowa State has become with Fred Hoiberg
Again as I said for every Fred Hoiberg you get a Clyde Drexler (Houston), Sidney Lowe (NC St) or Eddie Jordan (Rutgers).
I am not saying Chris can't win just like the Hurley's but there is risk, don't pretend there isn't.
If you remember when Monasch fired Norm he said his next hire had to be a coach with experience and specifically a coach who has brought his teams to the NCAA's. I assume we are not necessarily using that criteria anymore if in indeed Lavin is fired and Chris is hired.
That's right. The concern about Mullin's abilities due to his lack of experience is silly though as it's been proven that former NBA players and front office guys can return to their alma mater and be successful as evidenced by Hoiberg's success. Obviously not every coach that does this is successful nor is any coach promotoed from assistant to head coach, a coach that moves up a conference, or a coach that comes straight from ESPN. Any coach we hire, including Mullin, will have some risk associated with him, but keeping Lavin is a major risk/gamble as well
Again, you always have to throw out Lavin's name when making your argument. Fordham never mentioned Lavin.
It may be a risk to retain Lavin, but it is more of a risk with Mullin.
It's snowing outdoors....
goredmen: I hate to have to go out and shovel my sidewalk. I wonder if Lavin is shoveling his (sidewalk). I bet he isn't doing anything (to his sidewalk).
This whole topic is about Lavin and the direction of the program should he be let go. If Norm was still our coach and we were a combined 10-50 over the past 2 seasons nobody would be concerned about Mullin's lack of experience, they would all be in favor of hiring him right away. The only reason people are concerned about Mullin's lack of experience is because they fear that may be what causes him to not be an improvement over Lavin.
And I disagree that Mullin is more of a risk than Lavin. Lavin has done nothing to show me that these next 5 years will be BETTER than these past 5 years which were very mediocre
You always find a way to bring Lavin into the conversation. There was a reason boo said to this to you the other day....
Lavin is in your head brother.. You need to take a walk around the block.. You sound disturbed, honestly.
Did Lavin step on your shoe and didn't say, "excuse me?"
There are 50 active threads on this board about Lavin but when I bring him up apparently I'm disturbed, ok.
lol, Nah, man.... I don't think you're disturbed. I think you're too emotionally invested in what Lavin does or doesn't do (hence, why you have to mention his name when it's not even particularly warranted).
You may get your wish later.
Already did :) With that said, lets not strike out on this hire
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Glad it is over
Part of me is sad for Lavin
With that said, we deserve a better basketball program
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ESPNDanaOneil Dana O'Neil
St Johns announces Steve Lavin out as head coach. Mutually agree to part ways
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Go get Gregg Marshall
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Was it about the :)$$
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Go get Gregg Marshall
LOL. I wish but that will never happen in a million years
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Either Hurley or Mullin, no way Marshall is coming here.
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Was it about the :)$$
That's the way they want it portrayed. But who cares, it's done
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Roger Rubin @RogRubin
Steve Lavin will be replaced as St. John’s basketball coach, the school announced.
Okay.... Now, that's out of the way. They need to bring in someone who may be able to keep the commitments and possibly, retain Jordan and Obekpa. Don't drag their feet, either.
Hear you Dink. Don't think they will. We'll see.
Good luck to Lavin.
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Was it about the :)$$
That's the way they want it portrayed. But who cares, it's done
Who is the they?
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Was it about the :)$$
That's the way they want it portrayed. But who cares, it's done
Who is the they?
Both parties.
I would guess( I can't say "heard", too many feelings get hurt), that he got low balled to a point that he made a scene
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Was it about the :)$$
That's the way they want it portrayed. But who cares, it's done
Who is the they?
Both parties.
I would guess( I can't say "heard", too many feelings get hurt), that he got low balled to a point that he made a scene
would you guess no increase in salary, decrease, or 1 year buyout throughout?
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Either Hurley or Mullin, no way Marshall is coming here.
if boosters ponied up 4Mil per, Marshall would come running. Not saying that has even a 0.001% chance, but money will talk. He might take Alabama for 3.5 Mil/yr
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Was it about the :)$$
That's the way they want it portrayed. But who cares, it's done
Who is the they?
Both parties.
I would guess( I can't say "heard", too many feelings get hurt), that he got low balled to a point that he made a scene
would you guess no increase in salary, decrease, or 1 year buyout throughout?
I wouldn't guess on that
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Was it about the :)$$
That's the way they want it portrayed. But who cares, it's done
Who is the they?
Both parties.
I would guess( I can't say "heard", too many feelings get hurt), that he got low balled to a point that he made a scene
would you guess no increase in salary, decrease, or 1 year buyout throughout?
I wouldn't guess on that
and it'll never leak out.
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Was it about the :)$$
That's the way they want it portrayed. But who cares, it's done
Who is the they?
Both parties.
I would guess( I can't say "heard", too many feelings get hurt), that he got low balled to a point that he made a scene
Going back as far as 1940s only Louie after Big East and Jarvis were paid the going rate prior to Lavin.
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done
Roger Rubin @RogRubin
Steve Lavin will be replaced as St. John’s basketball coach, the school announced.
Okay.... Now, that's out of the way. They need to bring in someone who may be able to keep the commitments and possibly, retain Jordan and Obekpa. Don't drag their feet, either.
Hear you Dink. Don't think they will. We'll see.
Good luck to Lavin.
Paultz
Don't think they'll drag their feet? Or don't think they'll get someone who can keep some of the commitments?
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this doesn't sound promising:
“A national search is underway for a candidate who possesses the characteristics to give our program an opportunity to successfully compete at the national level,” Monasch said. “We will be aggressive in our search for a coach who has a track record of success, understands all the requirements of running a high major basketball program in New York City, including the media demands within this market. We are seeking someone who embraces the St. John’s mission and tradition, including the ability to attract the top talent both nationally and internationally.”
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this doesn't sound promising:
“A national search is underway for a candidate who possesses the characteristics to give our program an opportunity to successfully compete at the national level,” Monasch said. “We will be aggressive in our search for a coach who has a track record of success, understands all the requirements of running a high major basketball program in New York City, including the media demands within this market. We are seeking someone who embraces the St. John’s mission and tradition, including the ability to attract the top talent both nationally and internationally.”
Ugh...
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this doesn't sound promising:
“A national search is underway for a candidate who possesses the characteristics to give our program an opportunity to successfully compete at the national level,” Monasch said. “We will be aggressive in our search for a coach who has a track record of success, understands all the requirements of running a high major basketball program in New York City, including the media demands within this market. We are seeking someone who embraces the St. John’s mission and tradition, including the ability to attract the top talent both nationally and internationally.”
Lavin says, "Hey, they're describing what I did!"
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this doesn't sound promising:
“A national search is underway for a candidate who possesses the characteristics to give our program an opportunity to successfully compete at the national level,” Monasch said. “We will be aggressive in our search for a coach who has a track record of success, understands all the requirements of running a high major basketball program in New York City, including the media demands within this market. We are seeking someone who embraces the St. John’s mission and tradition, including the ability to attract the top talent both nationally and internationally.”
What is bad about this statement?
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Roger Rubin @RogRubin
Steve Lavin will be replaced as St. John’s basketball coach, the school announced.
Okay.... Now, that's out of the way. They need to bring in someone who may be able to keep the commitments and possibly, retain Jordan and Obekpa. Don't drag their feet, either.
Hear you Dink. Don't think they will. We'll see.
Good luck to Lavin.
Paultz
Don't think they'll drag their feet? Or don't think they'll get someone who can keep some of the commitments?
Don't think they drag feet. Always tough to keep recruits of substance. For someone like Sampson, I am sure he and his mom will be upset because they apparently were very fond of SL. That said, sometimes the new coach salvages things, but certainly not an easy task when the kid is in high demand. I do feel for a nice kid like Sampson & his family. Let's hope when the dust settles he gives us a chance.
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done
Roger Rubin @RogRubin
Steve Lavin will be replaced as St. John’s basketball coach, the school announced.
Okay.... Now, that's out of the way. They need to bring in someone who may be able to keep the commitments and possibly, retain Jordan and Obekpa. Don't drag their feet, either.
Hear you Dink. Don't think they will. We'll see.
Good luck to Lavin.
Paultz
Don't think they'll drag their feet? Or don't think they'll get someone who can keep some of the commitments?
Don't think they drag feet. Always tough to keep recruits of substance. For someone like Sampson, I am sure he and his mom will be upset because they apparently were very fond of SL. That said, sometimes the new coach salvages things, but certainly not an easy task when the kid is in high demand. I do feel for a nice kid like Sampson & his family. Let's hope when the dust settles he gives us a chance.
I feel if they bring in someone who many folks feel or believe is competent, then they can keep a kid like Sampson. It won't be easy, as you stated, but it can be done.
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Never
I'm going to let that pass seeing as how you must be heartbroken. Next time though you're getting a thumb's down.
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Never
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jeffborzello Jeff Borzello
St. John's and Steve Lavin have mutually agreed to part ways, per the school.
Mutually, yeah. If SJU decided to fire him could he refuse to leave? The Lavin of the Opera, hiding in the rafters at CA dropping klieg lights on the recruits during Midnight Madness.
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this doesn't sound promising:
“A national search is underway for a candidate who possesses the characteristics to give our program an opportunity to successfully compete at the national level,” Monasch said. “We will be aggressive in our search for a coach who has a track record of success, understands all the requirements of running a high major basketball program in New York City, including the media demands within this market. We are seeking someone who embraces the St. John’s mission and tradition, including the ability to attract the top talent both nationally and internationally.”
What is bad about this statement?
It tells you they had no one else in mind. The reality is, they were trying to negotiate a deal with Lavin, they were not entertaining other candidates. They couldn't work out a deal so now the search is on.
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Brandon Sampson reopening his recruitment per his HS coach.
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"Winter is coming!"
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this doesn't sound promising:
“A national search is underway for a candidate who possesses the characteristics to give our program an opportunity to successfully compete at the national level,” Monasch said. “We will be aggressive in our search for a coach who has a track record of success, understands all the requirements of running a high major basketball program in New York City, including the media demands within this market. We are seeking someone who embraces the St. John’s mission and tradition, including the ability to attract the top talent both nationally and internationally.”
What is bad about this statement?
It was given by Monasch--his a$$ should also be out the door. Come on Bobby, clean house: Monasch screwed up relationship with Keegan Bradley and the golf team and the soccer team has gone to hell in a handbasket.
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"Winter is coming!"
I'd be pretty happy if we had our coach prior to the Game of Thrones opener. And the sad thing is I am not sure we will (just based on historical timelines).
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jeffborzello Jeff Borzello
St. John's and Steve Lavin have mutually agreed to part ways, per the school.
Mutually, yeah. If SJU decided to fire him could he refuse to leave? The Lavin of the Opera, hiding in the rafters at CA dropping klieg lights on the recruits during Midnight Madness.
Very creative :2funny:
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Is the AD the next person to go?
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Is the AD the next person to go?
Yes
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Everything I said in post 1 still holds true.
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Everything I said in post 1 still holds true.
Think Monasch survives, Dave?
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Everything I said in post 1 still holds true.
Think Monasch survives, Dave?
No clue. Don't care either.
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Everything I said in post 1 still holds true.
You would still bet on them extending Lavin?
Serious question, is there a current college coach out there who is attainable and better than Danny hurley?
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Everything I said in post 1 still holds true.
Think Monasch survives, Dave?
No clue. Don't care either.
Really, is the AD position overrated or in this case the right coach is the key?
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Everything I said in post 1 still holds true.
You would still bet on them extending Lavin?
Serious question, is there a current college coach out there who is attainable and better than Danny hurley?
For this job, no.
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Everything I said in post 1 still holds true.
Think Monasch survives, Dave?
No clue. Don't care either.
Really, is the AD position overrated or in this case the right coach is the key?
I just really have no knowledge. My contacts are basketball people, not St. John's people.
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Everything I said in post 1 still holds true.
Think Monasch survives, Dave?
No clue. Don't care either.
Really, is the AD position overrated or in this case the right coach is the key?
AD is responsible for more than BB; he has all sports under him. He should be a marketer among his many tasks including compliance. In the case of our AD all he has Marketed is ManTan. He screwed up relationship with Bradley over golf decision and look at the sorry state of the soccor program--people complained about Lavin--The same and more can be said about Masur. The Lacross team is going backwards. He got lucky that coach Joe stayed as women's BB is one of the few successes
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Dave,
In this thread you are saying Danny Hurley is best option but in the Next Steps thread you allude to SJU being very talented next season. Can you elaborate? Does this say Danny is better long term option but Mullin will somehow manage to field a competitive team next year?
Edit* I see you are saying Danny is best current college coach. Anyways, would love to hear more in depth.
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Everything I said in post 1 still holds true.
Think Monasch survives, Dave?
No clue. Don't care either.
https://youtu.be/BDgcc5Sif3k
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I'm happy for those that wanted it badly. Must say I'm surprised.
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I'm happy for those that wanted it badly. Must say I'm surprised.
I wanted Lavin back. Not becuse I loved him or even liked him. Not at all upset that he is out. Still wish they brought him back for one more year. I think next year we could have been decent. Maybe a bubble team. I would have preferred to fire him then. At least the new coach would have something to work with. Now we are looking at a scary season, maybe a scary few seasons.
Hoping for mullin. We are in a tough spot. He looks like the only Possible home run.
I think either Hurley or masiello coukd be better choices, but I don't want to wait 3 years just to get back to where were a month ago.
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I'm happy for those that wanted it badly. Must say I'm surprised.
I wanted Lavin back. Not becuse I loved him or even liked him. Not at all upset that he is out. Still wish they brought him back for one more year. I think next year we could have been decent. Maybe a bubble team. I would have preferred to fire him then. At least the new coach would have something to work with. Now we are looking at a scary season, maybe a scary few seasons.
Hoping for mullin. We are in a tough spot. He looks like the only Possible home run.
I think either Hurley or masiello coukd be better choices, but I don't want to wait 3 years just to get back to where were a month ago.
the NYP had it the best when hey said he was building teams not a program...If it takes a few years to (hopefully not) to build a stable program where SJU isn't scrambling to find players to field a team will be better overall.
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I'm happy for those that wanted it badly. Must say I'm surprised.
I wanted Lavin back. Not because I loved him or even liked him. Not at all upset that he is out. Still wish they brought him back for one more year. I think next year we could have been decent. Maybe a bubble team. I would have preferred to fire him then. At least the new coach would have something to work with. Now we are looking at a scary season, maybe a scary few seasons.
Hoping for mullin. We are in a tough spot. He looks like the only Possible home run.
I think either Hurley or masiello coukd be better choices, but I don't want to wait 3 years just to get back to where were a month ago.
the NYP had it the best when hey said he was building teams not a program...If it takes a few years to (hopefully not) to build a stable program where SJU isn't scrambling to find players to field a team will be better overall.
You are right. But I like basketball. The last few years have been fun. Much more red at the Georgetown game. No Hoya Saxa chants. Building a program is definitely the way to go. Just seems like we are starting from zero when we didn't have to.
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I'm happy for those that wanted it badly. Must say I'm surprised.
I wanted Lavin back. Not because I loved him or even liked him. Not at all upset that he is out. Still wish they brought him back for one more year. I think next year we could have been decent. Maybe a bubble team. I would have preferred to fire him then. At least the new coach would have something to work with. Now we are looking at a scary season, maybe a scary few seasons.
Hoping for mullin. We are in a tough spot. He looks like the only Possible home run.
I think either Hurley or masiello coukd be better choices, but I don't want to wait 3 years just to get back to where were a month ago.
the NYP had it the best when hey said he was building teams not a program...If it takes a few years to (hopefully not) to build a stable program where SJU isn't scrambling to find players to field a team will be better overall.
You are right. But I like basketball. The last few years have been fun. Much more red at the Georgetown game. No Hoya Saxa chants. Building a program is definitely the way to go. Just seems like we are starting from zero when we didn't have to.
Tony, complelyely agree...Here's hoping they get it right this time, and even if they do suck there is progress that you can definitely see.